The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable pod test number 44 jun [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► 2011 we're back on the incomparable [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► podcast I'm your host Jason smell even [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► if you're not a regular visitor to your [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► local comic book store you may find this [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► episode of the uncomfortable interesting [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► don't turn away please don't wait stop [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► joining me today are Lisa Schmeisser hi [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► Lisa [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► I there and jason reitman hey everyone [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► and a very special guest joining the [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► comic book club today from the from the [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► greater new england area my good friend [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► and even akele hi Andy [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► hello Jason hello Lisa hello Jason again [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► yes but which which one was first in [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► your heart and which while you cut in [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► your day little game of cat-and-mouse [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► already i'm regretting this but I've [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► already made a commitment [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► yeah IRA I was once in a meeting with [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► jason reitman was referred to as the [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► good jason and i was standing there [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► going it's true though [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► ok although I it is yeah I need to grow [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► a little goatee and then I can be the [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► people chase or i can just be that now [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► so so our topic today is based on [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► something that happened a couple weeks [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► ago I was actually on a business trip [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► when I saw in on the front of USA Today [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► and the hotel room as I was as i was [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► preparing to go out to 22 my business [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► engagement that apparently the the good [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► people the new creative team at DC [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► Comics has decided to take this [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► incredibly bold interesting step and I'm [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► not referring to remembering all their [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► comics this number one because boy that [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► happens all the time but essentially [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► rebooting the DC Universe and saying [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► we're going to get rid of all this old [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► continuity we're going to rethink our [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► characters we're going to do sort of [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► what Marvel did for the Ultimate [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► Universe but rather than hedging and [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► take but we'll do both will do coke and [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► old coke [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► they just said we're rebooting we're [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► doing it all- and I think you guys all [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► have a good experience i I've never been [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► I've always been on the margins as a [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► reader of DC comics I've read some stuff [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► but I'm actually intrigued by because i [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► don't have a lot invested in it and I [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► think that maybe reimagining it would [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► get more [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► trusted but i'm really interested in [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► what you guys think about this move and [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► whether you think it's a good idea or [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► not you know or or is it just a [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► ridiculous publicity stunt like changing [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► you know it's now number one again which [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► they do every year or two and then they [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► just change it back when it's an [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► anniversary right well it could be a [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► good idea and they bizarre publicity [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► stunt [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► yes I think we relate severely a [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► publicity you can't be both right yeah [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► okay every time the marbles had like [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► those these successes it's always been [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► you know this it's never been about [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► let's get people to buy this issue [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► captain america it's let's see if we can [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► get the new york times to report on how [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► like how we're doing this poll thing [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► about killing captain america and how [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► we're doing this bolt think about [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► killing off when the members of the [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► Fantastic Four and holy cats were [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► actually having having spider-man [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► unmasked it's there they they score the [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► win by how much mainstream publicity [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► they get and it almost doesn't it's the [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► their cynical enough that it doesn't [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► even matter to them that you know what [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► when they tried to get that information [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► about spider-man's unmasking they [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► already had the plan in place for and [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► the the issue in mind in which they [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► would undo all of that so that's that's [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► very this part of the hype machine is [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► just part of the grand tradition of [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► comics we'd almost be disappointed to [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► write ups in USA Today really drive [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► comic book sales though was that if [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► you're trying if you're trying to revive [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► one dying print medium what better tool [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► that we use another dying from media [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► it's like rubbing two sticks together [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► and start a fire it's also no I don't [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► think it an article in anywhere affect [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► sales for something that's not coming [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► out for three months right [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► that's a long time it's a real long time [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► in our 24-hour media cycle the it is a [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► publicity stunt but there's there's some [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► historical precedent particularly DC [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► with this kind of thing there you know [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► most farmers for taking their gold key [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► characters or critical key gold Golden [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► Age characters of flash and Green [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► Lantern and then one day coming out with [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► a new flash Green Lantern that had [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► nothing to do with the old ones and [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► that's then the silver that beginning of [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► the silvery which was what the sixties [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► the Silver Age [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► but the 60 minutes yes and that's when [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► Hal Jordan came out as a Green Lantern [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► and the flash within reason to w/e be in [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► the closet in the closet for long [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► because his parents I have a ring but [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► just recently though I like a year ago [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► they came out with the earth one series [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► of graphic novels with no that's the [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► just rozinsky Superman exactly novel [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► right which was on the new york times [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► bestselling list for a long time for the [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► new york times best graphic best-selling [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► graphic novels still in list yeah and i [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► happen to read that last week it it [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► wasn't bad and I was just like okay [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► forget everything now Superman is this [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► younger kid coming out now as Superman [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► right all the same with mom and dad [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► right now all the same but slightly [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► different and that's sold so well that [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► they're like oh let's just do it for [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► everything and when your new creative [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► team coming in at the executive level [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► why not just reinvented universe that's [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► like a hundred years old I do wonder if [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► DC and Marvel both have problems with [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► being crippled by literally decades upon [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► decades of continuity and cotton in and [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► and red car and retconning and and these [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► convoluted story lines where if someone [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► were to sit down with you and say oh you [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► really like comics who's your favorite [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► character like well I really like Black [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► Canary what she's about and then you [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► have to explain all right huh [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► here's the deal her mom was Black Canary [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► and she grew up around the Justice [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► Society and then there was some weird [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► interplanetary thing where she was from [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► another dimension for a while and then [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► she lost her voice but you got to pin [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► the resurrection pits and she's been on [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► and off with the green arrow for [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► forty-odd years and they got married [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► except that he was a clone and and hear [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► what happened and you know that my point [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► is is if you're trying to explain these [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► characters to somebody and they're just [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► gonna look at you like okay so there's [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► no there's no accessible entry point and [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► I think sometimes continuity what [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► rewards long time [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► long time readers or obsessive readers [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► who have no problem going back to find [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► all the back issues so that they can get [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► all the little in jokes are all the [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► little plot developments it makes it [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► tremendously inaccessible to younger [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► readers to younger readers or new [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► readers and so by hitting the reset [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► button [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► it is a great opportunity for them to [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► try to broaden their audience the [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► question is whether or not they're going [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► to be able to do that whether they've [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► been whether they're gonna be able to [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► tap into the psyches of moviegoers we're [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► going to watch ryan reynolds run around [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► shirtless the summer or or anything like [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► that and say oh this you know I i really [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► enjoyed this to our movie maybe i could [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► maybe also enjoy downloading these green [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► lantern comics onto my ipad I i think i [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► think this is a move is it it's like DC [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► scoring a Tetris where they make one [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► move that clears away at least four or [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► five levels it's no it's no coincidence [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► that they're choosing this time to do [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► day-and-date releases are digitally with [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► their entire DC bullet line and they [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► rely think they realized that the [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► audience of people who have not been [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► buying comics and they're young enough [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► that there aren't really trained to go [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► to a new standard buy something on paper [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► they're gonna be a whole bunch of new [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► readers are coming in for other they're [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► gonna be buying digitally so why not [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► simply say oh and by the way you're not [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► gonna have to deal with well almost all [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► met your match your Black Canary with my [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► power girl where well she has free put a [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► couple years ago she was first supergirl [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► Superman's cousin who also escaped but [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► then actually turned out that she was [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► restaurants here whatever and they did [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► she was with the earth to choose the [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► daughter of Superman that then they do [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► try to do a reboot like a five-issue [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► miniseries I think about six or seven [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► years ago and by the end of that I was [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► even more confused about where she was [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► from [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► then you started and I thought well I've [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► just been punished for trying to pay [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► attention to this character you don't do [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► this is just meanwhile her cleavage gets [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► bigger and bigger biggest the joke is in [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► the reboot she's going to flat chested [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► that's how you know how different this [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► is yes i think the close of the whole [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► zone so there's this whole story about [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► how this is a gamble by DC and and my [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► question is is it a gamble because [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► because the argument is they're doing [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► this for new readers and they're going [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► day and date with digital for new [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► readers and they're risking the wrath of [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► the old readers in order to reach new [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► readers to which I say first [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► are there really risking the wrath of [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► the old readers and second are they [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► really going to find new readers are [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► there new comic book readers who will be [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► found by this approach i think the price [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► is a barrier to [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► did to the digital day-and-date like [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► three 395 out there and 95 and 299 the [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► same as cover present on the on the [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► physical issues that's my objection is [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► it's the same things cover price for the [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► physical issues right now if I wanted to [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► I could take all of my physical issues [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► and go to my next comic book store and [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► trade them in for store credit [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► you know it's a physical good i can i [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► can pass on to people and more [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► importantly i can get back a fraction of [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► the value and use it to feed my habit [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► and you can't really do that with [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► digital assets so from the perspective [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► of me as a cranky consumer while I think [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► that digital issues are more convenient [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► and they're actually really good for [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► archiving library purposes if I decide [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► okay you know what i'm really bored with [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► this series I'm done with it there's no [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► way for me to recruit a fraction of my [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► investment in it and so I'm a little [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► hesitant about the trigger and I think [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► that digital issues have to be cheaper [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► simply because you can't ever get back [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► resale value [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► I think I thought I think they have to [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► modify the the retailer's though they [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► have to make sure they're not saying [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► that where our goal here is not [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► specifically to torpedo your sales [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► our goal is to make sure that we're [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► expanding the market and making sure [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► that we're bringing more people under [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► the tent on a rolling basis right got to [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► keep those buggy makers happy [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► yeah you know that they're better but [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► they're also realized realize they're [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► not just like regular retailers really [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► all successful comic book shops are the [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► kind of like Apple stores and that they [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► don't just sell the product also a [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► meeting place or player like all the [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► sort of a a drawing spot for people who [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► are sort of inside this hobby that's the [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► reason why you know when i moved to [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► another 40 miles away from my usual [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► comic shop a few years ago I do have a [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► local shop in my new place that I [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► sometimes go to but I'd much rather just [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► simply drive 40 month 40 miles a couple [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► times a month to go back to the original [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► one because i like this shop not [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► everyone has that into your qualifier [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► was good comic shop because i was i was [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► thinking about in in my small island [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► town as it were we do have a local comic [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► shop and we have a local game shop and [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► the thing I've noticed about the gaming [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► store is they host in the host in-store [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► tournaments and they they host to both [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► board games and video games and they [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► have events that are around product [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► releases and they've really made an [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► effort to turn themselves into a [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► community hub where people think of it [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► as a defective socializing spot as well [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► are [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► comic book store has been considerably [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► less aggressive about doing that I think [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► maybe twice in the past five or six [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► years she's trying to organize the movie [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► night for the premiere of a comic based [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► the movie but it hasn't made the same [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► effort to try to tie people's avid [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► interest in the product to a social [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► aspect or to a wider entertainment [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► lifestyle whereas good story can and [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► should do that and my take is let the [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► stores rise and fall based on what they [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► can provide people above and beyond [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► comic books [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► yeah if it's shop is just selling comics [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► and if they're gonna be affected by the [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► digital changeover that dramatically [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► than they really were going to be going [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► out of business soon anyway right I'm [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► not sure any measure good comic store is [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► going to be is going to go out of [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► business because you can get it online [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► for 199 but you can get physically for [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► 299 either though so the the other [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► factor is that DC unlike Marvel actually [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► gives real royalties to their creators [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► Marvel simply says that will give you [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► will will give you incentives but [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► remember that we have no legal with our [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► contract says we don't have to do that [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► we're just being great people by giving [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► you what every other in publisher ever [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► does DC actually does give real [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► royalties and so one thing I would like [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► to know is that how much are those toy [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► there are those royalties tied to [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► specific cover prices so it's pot it's [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► possible that to keep all of these [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► top-tier riders and remember they're [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► carrying over all of their best riders [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► from the old DC Universe the new ones [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► yeah how happy they would be by saying [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► oh and by the way we're also going to be [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► giving people the option of buying the [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► same comics that you're trying to get a [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► 399 royalty off of 4th 99 cents [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► it'sit's kind of cut it's kind of a [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► complicated issue i do wish that I do [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► think that it's logical that the digital [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► should copy should be less expensive i [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► think that's going to be where it winds [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► up but I'm happy that we just have this [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► first step of being able to know that if [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► there's a new copy of Justice League [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► that's coming out on wednesday i can go [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► to comiXology on Wednesday and by that [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► comment have to wonder if this is one of [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► the magical issues they decided to [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► actually release [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► ok so going back to Jason earlier [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► question about is gonna piss off the [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► current fans and will it get new fans in [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► the digital gambit the yes and yes I [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► don't actually say no and no [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► haha he and waited but we will look at [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► that I don't derail you're just saying [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► did you actually say that there's [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► something that will not piss off in [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► trench complications because that's that [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► means that there's a nuclear also [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► rebooting all the comic fans we are we [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► are a legion of people genetically [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► programmed to be pissed off about it [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► like that's what actually that's my [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► point about the no is yet everybody's [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► gonna be all internet and mad about it [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► and I'm gonna lay dying and they're just [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► going to go by him and then by him again [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► and then by him again and I hate this is [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► my money is comic book fans are like [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► Apple fans where they may complain about [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► some specific facet but they're never [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► gonna walk away from the product right [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► or at least it's going to takes a lot [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► more than that something i walked in and [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► the digital market is too immature i [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► think really catch on with new fans it's [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► too expensive and it's too [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► it's like we're the music industry was [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► early on it's all proprietary formats [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► it's more renting comics than buying [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► them because you can't switch them from [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► one app to another app there's confusion [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► in the marketplace about apps and [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► formats and it's kind of ridiculous and [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► until that's cleared up where you can [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► actually buy you know mp3 of a comic and [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► you can take it and put into your itunes [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► or take it and put it into another music [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► collection and move it around and back [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► it up and store it it i don't think it's [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► going to take off because anybody who [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► knows anything about digital isn't gonna [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► buy into that so no ebooks are have done [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► pretty well [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► amazon kindle books can't go anywhere [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► but on on kindle app for kindle its [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► multiple devices but it's not an mp3 [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► remember the itunes store didn't exist [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► before you had have an itunes store and [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► that all those problems where you had [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► nothing but the RM content you can only [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► play it in itunes or on Apple devices [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► you have the first success before [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► everybody else is gonna start jumping in [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► the pool but but in itunes you could [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► take your cds and rip them into itunes [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► you can't take comments you may already [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► have because say you bought that Marvel [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► DVD way back when that was just full of [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► pdfs of all of their comics you can't [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► take that and put it in any of these [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► comic readers right right so let's take [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► a step back from from a comic industry [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► because that it is interesting that this [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► is a creative gambit that is of course [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► tied to a very specific kind of economic [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► gambit and it's it and the marketing is [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► a part of it and the digital thing being [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► announced simultaneously is apart [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► bit they're telling a story here but [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► they're also telling stories here so I'm [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► curious from you guys who have spent far [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► more in this world than I have um you [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► know what do you know about about what [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► they're planning i do we know creatively [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► what they're doing it to these [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► characters I know they've been rolling [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► out new titles and I saw that like Paul [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► Cornell has got a medieval superhero [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► title coming out jack kirby's the demon [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► you gotta bring in which is which is [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► which is fun that's why I know they're [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► mixing up the the the creative teams on [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► these on these books by just curious [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► about what struck you creatively about [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► what they're doing economics aside and [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► marketing aside and and just you know [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► hype aside you know are they doing [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► interesting things that didn't that are [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► encouraging and I loved ultimate [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► spider-man when it came out because I [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► thought it was a great thing to revisit [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► that character from square one Saudi [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► saying we're doing that with our whole [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► universe right [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► the younger prettier more high school [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► early universe is essentially because [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► everybody's going to be younger versions [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► of the characters and instead of that [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► says I'll be interested to see how they [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► write them because the average age [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► another blogger went through and take a [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► look at the writers and the average age [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► of the the writers on the new DC titles [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► is somewhere between 47 and 51 one of [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► those writers ever grew up come on [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► yeah and and to be to be fair if you're [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► that age you may well have teenagers in [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► the house so you're pretty tapped into [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► both the emotional state and how they're [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► talking much more than somebody who [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► doesn't have have kids and go ahead i [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► was just gonna say gail simone did a [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► nice interview Newsarama recently that [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► that there's there's still so much about [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► this this restart that's a they can't [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► talk about yeah but she the point that [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► she was making this not so much making [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► the characters younger so much as [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► visiting them at a point where they were [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► quite so experience she was talking [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► about Barbara Gordon for instance in the [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► problem we're now there's the this that [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► there's enough infrastructure in the [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► existing DC Universe that if Batman [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► wants to know as it has there ever been [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► a tree with more than three leaves on a [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► ship from the port of Gotham to any [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► destination that has more than four [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► buildings that have more than 31 stories [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► and an ice cream parlor and he simply [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► contact oracle and articles only one and [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► here's the address and then he's getting [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► tops that [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► rest now he's there that part of the [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► problem at least the way that scale [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► smalls explaining is that that it's part [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► of a move to do a story where now Batman [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► really has to work to figure out these [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► things where it's it's no longer the [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► he's no longer doing a castle [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► walkthrough like a look at a video game [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► he's simply having to figure things out [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► he doesn't have all those resources and [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► all that experience it's not just a a [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► we're gonna make everybody young and [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► pretty necessarily although that may [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► also do that but to some of the [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► characters but I do see the point that [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► it's also the encumbrance of the [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► continuity of saying not only do they [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► not have the complex backstories but we [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► we don't have to say well we establish [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► recently that this person had this [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► capabilities you can sort of deep our [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► people a little bit put more things in [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► their way [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► you know I tell tell some stories I I [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► they paint themselves in a corner in [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► many ways just by telling all those [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► stories over all those years jump to [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► andy's point there is a really [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► sophisticated infrastructure in place in [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► this universe right now and Gail [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► Simone's actually played with it in [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► birds of prey before the most recent [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► reboot before she left that title to go [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► right Wonder Woman and see what i mean [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► about the continuity in the way but [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► birds of prey i want to say probably [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► back in 2007-2008 there was a plot line [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► where somebody tries to take down oracle [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► and at the end of it all oracle has to [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► do is pick up the phone and something [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► like 13 former operatives come rushing [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► to her rescue and although part of the [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► point to that story was Oracle's got [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► this network of people who like hurrah [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► but it also points that is there was [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► almost nothing you could do to that [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► character at that point anymore because [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► she had she had a computer system place [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► she had social networking and social [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► networks in place she had experience in [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► place and all of these senior senior [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► quote level superheroes have that where [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► you know I have an undersea Kingdom that [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► i have in the palm of my hook [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► oh I have oracle who can some [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► information when I need it [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► oh I have this this this raft of friends [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► who will run to the rescue when I need [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► it it's there there was no space for [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► people who are starting out everybody's [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► got too much history with each other too [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► much personal history you can't say even [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► if you took somebody who was you know 30 [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► in the comics you you could have them [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► still be 30 but haven't [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► 30 and not have experienced anything and [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► only now becoming who you know who [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► they're they're going to be sounds [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► sounds good again i'm just wondering [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► what are there are they doing some [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► specific things here or is it all just [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► kind of hazy you know trust us it'll be [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► like different but the same but I think [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► they're going to move it you know what [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► do you think you're going [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► I i do think that this is this is [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► actually coming i keep thinking about [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► that line from The Godfather Clemenza [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► he's talking about the upcoming five [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► family sports as this is good this is [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► these things these kind of things that [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► happen every 10 years get rid of all the [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► bad blood and actually much rather it it [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► really is a good case up let's have a [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► streamline continuity we know after we [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► no longer have to worry that oh well [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► didn't it doesn't Catwoman have a secret [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► child from four years ago or do does it [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► why doesn't anybody talked about the [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► fact that the Peter Parker we now know [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► actually crawled out of the desiccated [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► husk of the body of Peter Parker as a [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► half-formed spider thing welcome nobody [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► talks about that anymore and I i do [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► think that every 10 years almost there [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► needs to be a moment with were saying [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► well it's just a comic book everybody we [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► can just simply say we're going to start [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► all over again we're doing a very tiny [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► way but we're gonna say that but they [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► the alternative is to do things like [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► what Marvel did with one more day to get [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► rid of the spider-man marriage where [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► you're really going to do a four-issue [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► limited series when you can just simply [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► have page 1 of the next issue spider and [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► being hi Tom Brevoort here the creative [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► director Marvel we just decided that we [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► don't want them to be married anymore [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► just keep that in mind and go I'm glad [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► you brought that up because one of the [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► complaints that one more day is why [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► would you ask for it may be brought back [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► from the dead when the input there's [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► Wednesday see there's Uncle Ben these [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► things never change and one of the [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► things that DC is very old and she's [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► almost died or died many times before [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► but one of the things that DC is [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► actually doing that I find interesting [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► even those little controversial is [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► they're giving proper Gordon back the [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► ability to walk you know she's gonna be [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► running around his back girl now because [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► as they said it did it doesn't make [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► sense the DC Universe to have a to have [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► a paraplegic when you've got all sorts [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► of crazy you know alien technologies and [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► supernatural stuff going on mr. Lazarus [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► Pit you got it yeah like what why stick [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► in a wheelchair when you know your [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► towels Batman and you have the world at [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► your disposal and so I do like that [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► they're just saying all right you know [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► what Oracle had a good run though [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► going back to classic Batgirl yeah [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► exactly and message you know I kind of [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► applied the gutsiness that decision [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► I mean I i I'll grieve for the for the [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► dissolving of the the birds of prey team [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► because i really loved the Oracle back [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► at Oracle Black Canary Huntress trilogy [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► but i think it's great that they're [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► doing if they do it like Ultimate Marvel [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► one of the options that they have is to [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► remix things and do things like create [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► an Oracle who isn't the Oracle you know [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► i just well actually I what's the point [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► i hope they go that up that route [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► because one of the interesting things [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► when they went from the Golden Age the [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► Silver Age was they just took the names [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► and created new carry lantern sure [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► around those names and i think there's [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► some interesting which is why you've got [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► if they're good reason stories [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► yeah well including the whole sorry the [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► dollars i'm sorry completely pointless [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► but it broke i say i think that that [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► could be really interesting and the [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► Ultimate Universe one of the things and [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► Marvel Ultimate Universe that was so [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► brilliant about that is Jameis Bill [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► James who is in charge of marvel at the [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► time and really architected that or [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► pushed it his whole point was there [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► should be no continuity even in the [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► Ultimate Universe right you should just [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► be free from it free from it completely [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► and he strived at first to keep writers [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► from putting in any continuity into it [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► when he returns are archetypes and then [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► they have adventures and that's it right [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► and put that's that could be possible [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► you really can't that you i think with [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► the great things about comics is that [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► you see this overlaying overlaying [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► overlaying tax-free of these histories [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► characters and time moving forward tends [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► to inform both the editors the writers [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► in the readers what parts of this [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► history are important enough that we're [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► going to consider that important and [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► what parts like you know Peter Parker [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► climbing out of the desiccated husk of [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► his former corpse arenas simply pretend [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► not happen so this there's definitely [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► happy medium to be done and but that [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► means you need a brush fire every 10 [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► years to clear away the continuity [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► rightly but getting back to back early [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► though the the thing that really puts [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► puts it all into perspective is that I i [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► love oracle and i love the birds birds [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► of prey book i love the I love that [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► version of Barbara Gordon where [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► Batgirl never interested me at all [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► the idea of okay hey look it's lady [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► battle but she's in heels and she has an [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► action person yes she's an ass kicker [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► but looking at look at that flowing red [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► hair huh guys and it just it just never [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► really clicked with me and so I didn't [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► that was a time and so when I started [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► getting back into DC and I found this [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► character oracle thatthat's thatthat's [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► the version of Barbara Gordon that I [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► really really liked and really click [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► with andrea and although I'm [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► disappointed that version is going away [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► have to remember that there was a time [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► when someone said we're going to [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► essentially in a non dramatic way we're [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► going to reboot back girl she's no [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► longer action girl in a cape and ecology [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► is now confined to a wheelchair and has [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► to use her in from there's a dick memory [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► and her information skills to do stuff [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► so if it wasn't for the fact that [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► someone decided to simply do a complete [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► 180 on this character I would never have [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► found this version that I really really [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► liked so I have to think that there's [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► gonna be a whole bunch of characters in [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► the DC Universe that I'm no longer going [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► to be terribly interested in but maybe [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► they're going to they're going to have a [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► new version of Green Lantern's that I [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► actually do get and maybe a new version [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► of all these other characters the [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► Justice League which never really [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► clicked with me as a book maybe now i'll [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► actually liked it so you gotta be gotta [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► take the good with the bad now and it [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► remains to be seen whether they've got a [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► plan to do [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► presumably they've got some ground rules [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► right are they going to do what Marvel [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► did which is say we're going to rethink [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► some characters and but we're also going [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► to retell stories we already told right [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► i mean the ultimate spider-man retails [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► basically a lot of the classic story [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► points of of amazing spider-man [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► so you know on one level that's fun but [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► on another level it's rehashing the past [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► so they could choose to say well you [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► know after a few years were going to do [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► something to her and she's going to be [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► oracle or they could say forget it no do [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► tell your own stories go in a new [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► direction so it in a lot of ways it's [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► just like a remake of a good movie [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► well one of the problems ultimate social [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► that's ultimately spider-man 2 25 30 [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► years of amazing spider-man and [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► spectacular spiderman the whole [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► spider-man mythos and said okay out of [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► that what are what could we build you [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► know 74 issue story arcs out of and and [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► you've got 30 years to put to play with [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► and as a result that's a you know and [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► the good writing but it's a it's a good [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► book because of that you know but at the [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► same time there [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► for about the first 60 issues there was [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► really nothing original other than the [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► rethinking of and i love it i love that [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► book dearly and I love that it's modern [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► and it's expanded out in its place like [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► buffy the vampire slayer with spider-man [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► but it's not going over any new ground [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► it's all the classic ground it's more of [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► a nostalgia trip rough like like a movie [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► remake it is a really well written story [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► which i think is yeah he's always story [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► written interview just mentally I mean [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► as much as i enjoy some characters i'll [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► be honest i enjoy right i enjoy the [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► writers more when Gail Simone left birds [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► of prey so did I because i read one or [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► two of the new issues and i didn't like [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► where the characters were going I didn't [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► think the writing was the same so I left [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► because of the story not because you [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► think of the opportunity of saying you [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► know we we can explore the [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► batman/superman relationship fresh [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► without any of that we could talk about [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► Batman getting a young Ward and having [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► them become Robin you know at and [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► Generals the size of that yeah maybe but [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► you could you could choose to do it and [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► if you had a good writer who had a good [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► take on that that could be really [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► interesting and it does i would like to [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► see him introduce new characters because [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► I think that's actually been problematic [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► in both Marvel and DC there have been so [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► few characters introduced in the last I [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► would say what 15 20 years who have [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► stuck on is not mostly because of the [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► rise of indie comics and that creators [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► don't want to create new intellectual [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► property for their studios and healthy [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► disincentive but i'm thinking for [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► example there's been a real push behind [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► Renee Montoya especially as the question [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► the question and she's just and she's [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► never gained attraction and I think part [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► of this may be because it's it might be [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► cousin Oliver thing um but but part of [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► it is also when you've got all of these [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► characters that you've had for years and [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► years and years you're like oh great [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► here's another one who may stick or may [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► not stick so you can reboot characters [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► without rebooting the archetypes right i [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► mean i like the Blue Beetle comic i [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► thought that was really good Jason [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► recommended that to me and I'll Jaime [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► Reyes thing where it's like we're going [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► to set in in Texas and he's gonna be [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► Hispanic and he's gonna you know he's [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► not gonna be he's gonna be like on the [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► outside and totally shocked when he's [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► interacting with other superheroes [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► because he's just created [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► and and so it's still very literally not [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► yeah it's really the DC version of [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► spider-man I really think the blue the [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► blue beetle is everything about [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► spider-man that i missed with mom yeah [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► i'm reading a blue beetle ultimate [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► spider-man and invincible right i'm [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► reading the same comic three times but [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► they're all good yeah although I'm and [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► here you are actually tightly [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► undercutting my point one of my favorite [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► book one of my favorite books is getting [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► canceled by DC is secret six which is [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► another Gail Simone property of smoke [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► and isn't now the secret seven is that [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► the name of the new sorry it's something [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► else series it's a completely different [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► composition around but basically they're [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► wrapping up secret six with issue 36 and [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► that was a tremendously successful [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► series and i had a number of original [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► characters that Gail Simone created it [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► wasn't just I've dug these people out of [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► the archives from the Silver Age she [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► came up with scandal savage daughter of [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► Vandal Savage [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► I narrow and and Jeanette the band she [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► was a genuinely cool and disturbing [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► figure and Peter miracle who's the rag [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► doll and they're there they're very [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► vivid characters so as they're gonna be [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► a bloodbath at the end of the DC [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► Universe here before they reboot are [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► they are they are they like tactically [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► just gonna murder people horribly [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► Ultimate Universe with a ground people [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► had them eating and no I'm just thinking [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► of the continuity ends until the next [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► infinite super infinite crisis where [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► they bring it back again sorry i had to [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► say it that you know they could do like [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► dramatic Superman dies for real was [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► there doing a series now called flash [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► point which is supposed to be what's [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► leading into this reboot in the fall [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► and I read the first two issues of it [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► successfully explain this to me you said [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► leading into the reboot is that mean [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► they're closing the door on the old [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► thing or are they doing some sort of [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► like in-universe explanation for why [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► this is happening because that would be [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► bad essentially flash has has woken up [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► in this alternate universe where Bruce [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► Wayne's parents didn't get killed Bruce [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► Wayne and his mom got killed so now [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► Batman is Thomas weight and so they're [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► setting up some of these new universe [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► titles now in it because shade the [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► changing man is there in leading the [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► secret seven kind of thing in this [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► universe where Wonder Woman and Aquaman [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► or the Amazons in the Atlanteans are [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► fighting over Europe and it's like a big [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► war [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► this is supposed to be where they're [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► going to set the rest of this stuff and [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► I think there's this crazy pocket thing [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► they've set here and my guess is at the [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► end of it that goes away but the [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► original thing doesn't come back its now [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► this new version of the original thing [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► so it's in that a farscape that really [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► interesting sci-fi TV show a while back [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► with money that's right with puppets [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► they had that thing where they went back [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► in time and actually change these events [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► by accident they went back to try and [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► fix them and they just made them worse [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► talked about that episode on a previous [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► so yeah odd cast yeah i think they may [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► try to do that where things are [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► different and the characters are going [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► to try to make them back to the same and [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► what they end up doing is making this [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► new universe which is kind of the same [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► but I really so I really hope Thomas [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► windows into a noble self-sacrifice that [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► separated so basically the flashes like [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► mr. Spock in the Star Trek reboot [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► yeah but he's not so he's in this place [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► he's got no powers and he just tried to [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► recreate the experiment and dosed [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► himself and chemicals and electrocute [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► himself to get a speed power back and [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► the last panel on issue 2 again spoiler [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► alert [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► leaves him as this chart burnt mess [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► because it just cast himself had a [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► lightning bolt it is gonna catch it [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► right so that was kind of fun not mad [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► but that's like everybody in this next [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► week whenever for a ride Green Lantern [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► point right [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► o dot the way blend next we've got four [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► astronauts instead to get a spaceship [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► with insufficient shielding let's see [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► what happens great we've got a flight [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► but so superhero sleepers and even as a [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► little bit more amusing than probably [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► what they were going for and which makes [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► me nervous about the entire reboot I [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► don't think this series flashpoints been [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► written very well so far at least it [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► hasn't resonated with me so it sounds [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► like what they're trying to do is create [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► sort of an in-universe explanation for [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► why you won't see it anymore right [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► but you know the idea what makes me wary [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► is that by not having if you if you have [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► the new universe be created in in the [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► roots of story from the previous [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► universe it's like you know you're just [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► you're just asking for it actually has [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► maybe they're going for again this is my [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► opinion said it didn't resonate with me [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► is this little thing that create with [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► flash point is so terrible that anything [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► that replace it with his gonna be better [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► like oh my god I love this so much more [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► than a piece of crap flashpoint so out [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► of curiosity with the Atlanteans [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► fighting the Amazonians it is Aquaman [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► any cooler or patent or I mean I've only [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► seen him in a couple of panels Emperor [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► Aquaman I believe he was and he had [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► orange pants as well as a reddish orange [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► top and he was mean Emperor seen again [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► Emperor occupation but that's like [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► saying the president leader guy I know [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► if it if that name is on the top of the [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► top of the resume he's not getting an [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► interview let me know your name is on [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► you and hey online pseudonym is Emperor [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► are right and so he's flooded most of [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► your Emperor lit under water and water [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► guy and I don't know I mean out remember [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► the name of the science fiction fantasy [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► book i read where the leaders of Europe [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► did actually have to negotiate with [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► mermaids for rights to water passages [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► during the Elizabethan times and [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► two-thirds of the earth's surface is [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► covered with water why would he need to [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► flood Europe because he wants the [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► cathedral because he it [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► not the considered he was looking for [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► the good three wants to make the [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► land-dwellers nervous and remind them [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► who's in charge i mean it wants to live [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► on a mountain top and you just can't do [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► that in the ocean [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► valentina and it's gonna drive me crazy [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► until I remember the name of the author [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► of the book but basically in this in the [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► science-fiction book i read the mermaids [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► quickly realized that they basically [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► controlled all of the waterways in the [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► world if the landowners want to get [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► anything done [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► they're going to have to go through the [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► mermaids and so the mermaids based [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► mermaids [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► yeah they started in Venice and then [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► moved out and were like alright if you [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► people want to ever leave your country's [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► again you're gonna have to guess what we [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► want whenever we want it a lot of the [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► Fighting's over Great Britain which is [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► you know it's an island so so let me ask [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► mermaids aside as did these work to [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► these reboots work is this is this a is [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► this a if the story idea is it okay if [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► we view it as a temporary fix and accept [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► that it's not a comfortable and if the [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► stories are good it's days if the [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► stories are good they'll pretty quickly [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► fade back like the one year later they [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► did a couple years ago now where the [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► entire universe jumped forward one year [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► and it was like starting over kind of [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► gas because i had been buying a whole [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► lot of times before that and then they [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► started in with oh and now we're going [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► to fix everything and I thought I'm [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► gonna fix myself but it's marble that [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► that's why i've been following [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► flashpoint either a both of these big [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► companies as soon as I see some sort of [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► custom logo on the top of more than [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► three comics at a time [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► I'm not judging I'm just simply saying [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► that as a consumer making the decision [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► that I'm probably not going to enjoy [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► reading this yeah i've been reading the [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► ultimate spider-man arc that's the death [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► of Spiderman which has gotta love those [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► attached to it everywhere and first off [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► it's either a cheat or you have [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► telegraphed whole story so you failed [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► either way with it [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► well done face but and of course yes [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► that that they already killed him once [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► and he didn't die and now they're going [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► to kill himself him again and I assume [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► again he won't actually die they'll just [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► have a different spider-man and then [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► we'll come back later and I think that's [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► what that's what it looks like so funny [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► that people making such a big deal out [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► of it because you can either do the the [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► actual number one remember everything [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► reboot or you can do the status quo [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► which is the non stop rolling reboots [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► where there's cotton there things that [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► happen but two years later either it has [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► been explicitly undone where you know [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► but I think with them [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► little boy did they have guts and my [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► guts I'm used i'm replacing that for the [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► word that they should actually really is [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► yeah where they said no captain [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► america's real dead really dead you see [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► is the body he's an old man that's all [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► desiccated and look we're burying the [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► book and other stuff was showing you how [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► can we be showing you the stuff we was [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► really dead and of course [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► meanwhile there's a whiteboard somewhere [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► in marble saying okay here's why he [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► wasn't really yeah it's like eight years [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► that here's the date in the issue which [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► were bringing him back or or once again [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► you do the selective let's just forget [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► the j martins reasons he's running [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► spider-man everything I really hate [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► about the rolling reboots is they always [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► give you an opportunity later when they [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► decided some character needs to be [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► broken are promoted then they get their [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► little five-issue miniseries where they [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► like spend six or seven panels just be [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► moaning all of the different continuity [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► glitches they've had to experience the [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► last 20 years [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► yeah i would prefer like a series of [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► like miniseries and another series that [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► are our exist all on their own and their [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► own continuity and have a throw the [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► other characters in but they're not [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► actually tied like it used to be back in [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► the in the old days that's that's one of [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► things i always loved about DC they [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► weren't afraid to say if they have an [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► opportunity to have met Wagner do a [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► Batman Grendel crossover they didn't [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► spend a lot of time worrying about well [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► but where does this appear in continuity [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► does this happen every killing joke or [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► after killing joke they said no we'll [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► just doing looking for stories [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► oh wait matt says he really wants to [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► have it happen and then y Mar Germany ok [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► will slap in all sports logo on if we [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► can have it happen by Margaret who cares [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► it's a good story just great just what I [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► read ya in like that captain america [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► story brought up which I remember [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► ridiculing when they first announced it [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► and ended up being actually specifically [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► a good story that lasted for like two [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► and a half years and Brubaker's a good [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► writer and and the Bucky the Bucky [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► Winter Soldier stuff well i thought was [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► an interesting kind of almost a [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► Redemption kind of Arc it was it was a [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► good story it wasn't just a publicity [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► stunt right which is great when we add [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► to the beginning is it can be both they [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► can be before it can be one man I i [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► think it will go down as I i I've been [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► reading comics for a long time now but [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► my habits have changed over the years [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► from like buying every issue of my [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► favorite titles and being a fan of X [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► some kind of hand of the medium [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► now and i will read the good story arc [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► here and then not read that title again [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► because you know they go from good story [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► arcs to crap and I'll get the hard [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► covers or trade paperbacks of those good [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► story arcs into me that's now the [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► character not all that stuff that [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► happens in between good story arcs that [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► could put in those trade paperbacks that [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► are there year after year after year [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► after year right with with the added [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► continuity housecleaning that has to [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► happen in order to extend to explain [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► things instead of just telling story in [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► a lot of ways i'm not even aware of that [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► anyone would we be better off would end [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► with the comics industry be better off [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► if Marvel or DC said here's what we're [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► going to do every four years [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► we're gonna we're gonna reboot right [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► just say it just say we're gonna do like [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► TV seasons we're going to do for years [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► and they're going to be natural [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► endpoints and then we're going to tell [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► more stories or would they be better off [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► doing what their because I'd is the [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► reception to the rolling reboot know [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► I've always I've always thought that the [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► the whole idea of having 600 issues of a [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► series is just so 19 what's a soap opera [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► rice that is just don't need I think [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► they should simply saying we all know [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► who the Fantastic Four are we know who [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► Superman is you don't have to start a [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► new series with a one-page recap of the [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► origin just simply say we've got a story [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► about the Fantastic Four that will take [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► up 12 issues and so we're just going to [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► have this story that text artificial [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► number one ends with this number 12 and [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► we can know what we can have four [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► different fantastic four stories going [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► at the same time it seems like we're [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► treating continuity like a liability [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► here though but it it in some ways [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► continuity for the buying habits of the [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► the world today is a liability [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► it's also what's kept fans coming back [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► for so long because there's that soap [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► opera quality and you get invested in [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► the lives but the idea of a good story [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► is a good story like Batman by gag but [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► was a Gotham by Gaslight which was later [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► it was in elseworld before they came up [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► with the term elseworlds it was just a [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► good story of a batman vs jack the [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► ripper story and we want to read that [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► drawn by mike mignola it was beautiful [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► and amazing and you know who carried it [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► who cares where ties in anything it just [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► standalone story really good little game [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► into that I'm [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► whatever happened to the Caped Crusader [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► that was the following that sort of [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► whatever and emmanuel wright and it was [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► it was literally outside of all [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► continuity because it was sort of [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► various Batman throughout time who had [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► died in different continuities and they [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► had all come together and it was yes it [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► was met I was a story about the stories [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► but it was a great story just like neil [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► gaiman Zhan 1602 was a great story and [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► it was it was aggressively not set in [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► continuity but it didn't matter and I [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► wasn't even not to comment at the end [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► because they're like oh it's in a bottle [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► you know yeah he's right this bottle so [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► it doesn't screw thread right right but [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► it was but as a story was just you know [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► who cares why it is the way it is and [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► you know I think maybe that's what DC [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► was trying with those with the [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► Straczynski Superman book was just sort [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► of say can we just tell stories and not [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► worry about universe building i think [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► those so much of their business is based [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► on having this either woven series of [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► titles that they can interrelate and [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► create events on that in a minute but [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► maybe this is the progression of the [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► comic industry that at some point we're [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► going to come out of this with a very [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► different mechanism for publishing [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► stories that doesn't involve this kind [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► of level of red web of continuity as it [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► does it go from that see realized [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► monthly pamphlet to every couple of [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► months you get a much bigger sort of [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► novel that has a beginning middle and [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► end of some comic story and it's all by [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► itself like a movie so Andy what it is [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► they're still on appeal to the kind of [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► interrelated web of a comic book [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► universe with characters crossing over [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► and things like that or is it something [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► that is kind of past it's past its prime [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► I think that ye there's nothing [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► inherently wrong with it it just has to [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► be done very very well it's it's superb [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► when you're doing this if you're if [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► you're writing a story and just for the [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► writers point of view and you just need [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► something to happen and it's not really [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► important that this character the [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► difficulties that you're not telling the [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► story of how did this character happened [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► to get passage between planet earth and [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► this other planet that he's just [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► hypothesized exist you really just want [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► to get to this other planets you move [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► the story forward the same reason why [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► Gene Roddenberry did invented the [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► transport because he doesn't want to [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► simply say and now they jumped the [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► transporter and boom there the planet's [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► surface and we continue the story [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► when you have a shared universe you can [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► simply say let me call Reed Richards let [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► me see if he'll let me shuttlecraft so i [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► can actually try to look at this and [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► then panel number two you're into the [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► story so that's the sort of place where [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► the sort of shared universes can be done [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► really well [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► also we've all we've all been in [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► situations where we thought well gee how [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► come what kind of story would you have [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► if Jesus the the valid from PG Wodehouse [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► stories teamed up with Batman he that [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► it's not a set of being instead of being [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► Alfred it's actually jeans or jeans and [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► thora Batman has to stop Batman has to [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► solve a mystery of a murder that happens [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► at Blandings castle all these characters [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► that you it'sit's not that you want to [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► do the stupid phantom mashup ok so if [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► Superman fuck captain america now let's [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► say that Wonder Woman communities last [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► so but if if you actually start thinking [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► of these are two interesting characters [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► that who that really play off each other [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► I thought that well when you leverage [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► that really really effectively you can [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► wind up with something like the Trinity [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► that DC wound up with when they when [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► they decided to simply treat Wonder [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► Woman Batman and Superman as the hub of [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► their entire universe where these are [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► the guys these are the Mount Rushmore of [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► their universe where when wonder woman [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► gets involved things get real and when [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► you have Batman and Superman yeah [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► seriously with it when you get because [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► one room that one woman is the Wonder [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► Woman is the person who's not talking [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► about of it she might even she might [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► even say I'm giving you an opportunity [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► to I forgive you for all the sins you [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► feel that you've transformed as grass in [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► the past two years [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► come let us sit together let's break [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► bread and then you don't do that okay [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► well i guess i'm just going to twist [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► your head [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► well 270 degrees from the front of your [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► body and you'll simply be dead because [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► unfortunately that's the only solution [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► to the problem goodnight [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► it is fun to play and and have good [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► writers plan those kind of universes [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► it's just got this huge downside which [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► is over time you accumulate continuity [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► and you gotta blow it out any clutter [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► and and you need to do with DC has done [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► in the past which I really am an [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► opponent of which is the we're going to [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► create a multiverse crisis where we're [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► going to whole stories that are about [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► continuity or yeah full credit to them [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► you can just say you know what we're [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► going to just reboot now and and we're [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► just not work that's it we're not going [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► to explain [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► well except there's flashpoint [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► apparently we're just going to do it and [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► what [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► draw a line will do that for a while [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► until it clutters up again and we'll [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► figure out what to do then you know [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► maybe everybody should do that maybe [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► Marvel should should do that too [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► although I guess Marvel did and it just [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► did they just couldn't get rid of the [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► old thing [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► part of the problem the opening hours a [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► lot of ways is the only thing is a lot [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► at what they did they gradually kind of [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► pushed the the current marvel to be so [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► much like ultimate that it doesn't [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► really matter didn't we talk about how [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► one of the problems in the Ultimate [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► Universe was after a while it protects [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► my head writers that were really big on [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► introducing stuff from continuity that's [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► always been the problem and I think the [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► DC is going to face that 10-20 reggie [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► old stories are not as much as like [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► Robert Kirkman I really didn't like his [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► run on ultimate x-men because he was [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► responsible for bringing back in some of [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► the some of the the continuity elements [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► especially from these are the days of [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► future past remake yeah and yeah and it [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► was a disaster eight stories [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► yeah the original anyway yes yeah but I [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► i think part of the problem is you do [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► have writers who cherish continuity [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► because they do admire the clever [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► storytelling twister the way people [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► write themselves running out of corners [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► this is actually my problems with the [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► kingdom come [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► is I think it kind i think it's kind of [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► a gateway drug to continuity overdose [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► continuity poor yeah exactly right get [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► your very end as a writer I'm sure this [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► person is very very proud but I have to [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► find an elevator with the meta comic-con [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► and I've got two minutes to say [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► something to them i have to say you know [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► what [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► actually I've never wondered about what [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► was going through the mind of that guy [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► in the cover of action comics when he [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► was pointing at Superman lifting up a [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► car that's really never occurred to me [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► i'm actually marched in the guy the Cape [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► whose lifting up the car [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► although again ten bucks to you for for [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► creative thinking I'm just not [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► interested in that I think you've just [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► been to play marbles with that because [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► that was the whole point tomorrow yeah [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► wow look at that whereas the whole point [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► to kingdom come was hey you know the [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► approximately 1 million DC characters we [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► have what if they'll fight each other to [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► take Superman waiting to tell them the [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► Rockets people i don't understand any of [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► your DC continuity it it scares me and [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► frightens me and I run away and I like [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► kingdom come [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► so i guess i was looking at the top [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► level what was it limits to what if we [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► just missed Allah gize at all and make [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► it about the Trinity basically and we [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► and and it's got an ending look [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► Kingdom Come Dine story but at the same [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► time kingdom come also has you can print [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► out like somewhere close to 40 pages of [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► annotations I've seen that it's but i [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► think i had them in a binder at one [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► point and the locket and and my thing is [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► a lot of people took away from Kingdom [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► Come was not hey this is a great start [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► but rather people only love it when they [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► know the in Jets that's what happened to [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► the newsboy Legion look in the back of [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► the bar you see they see that guy with [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► the weird bowtie that's actually when [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► they had salmon with the heads and Jana [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► as the waiters in the scene in the dive [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► bar for superheroes are supposed to be [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► alright if the Wonder Twins it's I like [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► it when stories can work on several [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► levels like if you had no idea who any [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► of those characters are you can still [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► read it and there's a great story i did [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► and if you do know then there's all [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► these in jokes and you any problem is [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► when it becomes about the conduit had [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► not already tells is when you're good at [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► the storytelling you can do anything [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► when you're not very good at the [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► storytelling your life but look at me i [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► have a grasp of continuity cough which [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► brings us back around to one of the [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► original questions which is is this a [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► stunt is it you know is it a good idea [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► is gonna work and I sounds like what [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► we're saying is look it's gonna stand or [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► fall based on the stories they tell ya [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► but I keep coming back to the idea that [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► it is really a Tetris it is if you [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► dropped they dropped this one block this [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► awful lot of problems one problem 11 [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► problem being is that they're facing a [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► lot of problems with intellectual [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► property remember that they lost the [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► million ways to appeal to retain all the [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► right Superman in which essentially the [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► right Superman are now split everything [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► that siegel and shuster brought to DC [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► that they had already created belongs to [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► the estate everything that that DC [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► Comics added later on which is ninety [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► percent of the of the game belongs to [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► them realize that this is an opportunity [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► for them to go through every every [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► character they have that's more than 40 [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► 50 years old and say let's make sure [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► that in this universe new universe our [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► ownership of these characters is [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► airtight and so that you can better [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► believe that that the that anything that [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► is that's in the new Superman is not [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► going to have any relationship to the [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► proposal that was brought to them all [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► those years well understanding is an [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► additive that they own the rights to [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► this simplistic that the siegel and [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► shuster states over on the rights to [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► some sort of simplistic Superman that [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► was in the first issue of Superman who [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► couldn't fly and so they could to did do [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► a Superman but it would be that costume [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► and that [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► committed set because then DC owns the [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► guy who can fly and the different [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► k designs of the different suits and all [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► that but it is an interesting point i [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► would not I would not put it past them [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► that they've got you know a team of [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► lawyers said here's what we're gonna do [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► with this reboot but I was talking about [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► talk to someone last yesterday at my [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► local comic shop around is it looking in [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► there wasn't anyone around you but my [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► far one is still my local 121 this [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► nearby that geographically nearby it is [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► dead to me it isn't it is an arson fire [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► no serious i do i do still drive like [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► all the way to that store twice a month [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► because that's the place at restaurant [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► by and what that person say well they [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► they actually had some the details of [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► the case where they're saying that [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► whatever DC has to do to make sure that [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► they're not infringing on on the [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► seagulls of the the state's copyrights [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► they have to do it sometime in the next [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► year so his idea was that this gave them [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► and I this will give DC and I an [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► opportunity to have to put new coke on [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► the market for six or seven or eight [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► months see if that takes off and if that [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► and if they when they look at where they [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► are in six months they decide that you [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► know what everybody has accepted this [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► new version of superman we don't have to [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► strike any sort of new agreement with [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► with the estate we can simply say take [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► your take the five words that that that [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► you're showing us over and keep them [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► because we built a brand new Superman [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► that doesn't get we're not gonna pay you [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► a dollar for anything except that [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► argument breaks down when you look at [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► the entire backlog which is still on [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► sale like the all of the Superman trade [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► paperbacks and all of the program change [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► thing so i don't really buy it's [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► motivating factor of the University care [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► that it's I don't think they're suing [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► for percentage of a percentage of the [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► other the trade paperback publishing [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► remember that most of the stuff that's [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► already in print is now pulp there's [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► very little that's still in print [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► they mostly care about what happens when [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► someone when someone wants to give a [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► million dollars for Superman Slurpee [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► machine do they have to now give a [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► cutback as you have to give a half a [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► point or two points or whatever money [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► money to make on it to the state [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► well how about a Superman movie that [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► hopefully will make two three four five [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► thousand dollars do they have to give a [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► couple points of these facts have the [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► lex luthor lemon [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► slurping will be tasty so last thing [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► before we go is to gauge I'm just gonna [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► go around the room here and gauge your [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► level of optimism or pessimism about how [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► this will come off [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► Lisa I'm utterly neutral utterly neutral [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► that's a Dungeons and Dragons alignment [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► I hadn't heard before [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► no it's in the middle but it's neither [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► it's night neither good nor evil it is [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► utterly neutral [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► yeah so are you gonna are you gonna buy [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► stuff are you going to try it out or you [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► just got talent i'm a wander into the [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► store and see what a couple issues [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► issues one look like but at this point I [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► don't buy single issue so I'm gonna wait [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► and see [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► I'm gonna wait and see wait for the buzz [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► about one of the good ones that you [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► should pick up in a trade [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► yeah i'm gonna i'm curious if you have [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► this background thing shakes out just [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► because I was very fond of the Oracle [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► character and Barbara Gordon and I want [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► to see how Gail Simone what she keeps [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► from from that character and and what [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► she does to change it and i also want to [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► see how this whole expanded that family [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► thing works out because my understanding [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► from the titles have come out so far is [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► we're going to have both of Batgirl and [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► that woman and a black batman really [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► that's good you know that's my dream [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► moving right i mean it's it's his name [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► is batwing [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► oh and he's black maybe the black batman [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► movie will finally come to pass [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► Don she was not too little Don Cheadle [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► still available yes that's a big black [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► batman or batwing IC was mocking all the [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► interns only owns a strong consistent [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► content there is no game that is better [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► than casting imaginary cat comic book [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► movies based on existing actors Jason [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► what do you think optimistic pessimistic [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► going to try it out i'm optimistic I you [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► know there's enough there that's got my [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► interest which is the whole what they're [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► going for the the fact they're bringing [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► in the wild storm characters into the DC [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► and there's like a new storm watch title [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► but Martian Manhunter is a character on [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► storm watch see i really look forward to [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► seeing how he's going to work with that [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► crew because they know it's just [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► and.and for me and they're bringing all [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► the vertical characters into the DC [TS]