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00:00:00   the incomparable part number 42 lately [TS]

00:00:15   welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:18   I'm going fleischmann hosting this week [TS]

00:00:20   in for Jason Snell who is also here [TS]

00:00:23   hello we're talking this week this is [TS]

00:00:25   episode 42 and for the one person in a [TS]

00:00:29   million who could possibly be listening [TS]

00:00:31   to this podcast we hope to have a [TS]

00:00:32   million listeners someday who does not [TS]

00:00:35   know what 42 is it's all about douglas [TS]

00:00:37   adams this is the douglas adams podcast [TS]

00:00:39   may be the first in a series of [TS]

00:00:41   divisible by 42 podcast that we do over [TS]

00:00:44   our lifetimes about douglas adams it was [TS]

00:00:46   recently Towel Day a day establish to [TS]

00:00:48   celebrate his life and career and in [TS]

00:00:51   that honor and because it's episode 42 [TS]

00:00:53   we have a cast of characters drawn from [TS]

00:00:56   across the spectrum of well not that [TS]

00:01:00   much of the spectrum i guess but it is [TS]

00:01:01   across something I welcome Jason smell [TS]

00:01:04   than usual host of the incomparable i [TS]

00:01:06   will BRB red end of the spectrum tonight [TS]

00:01:08   the ready or the red and Steve lots from [TS]

00:01:11   an undisclosed location talking on an [TS]

00:01:13   iPad hello Steve [TS]

00:01:14   I was just thinking how much douglas [TS]

00:01:16   adams probably would have enjoyed [TS]

00:01:17   knowing that I sitting in a hotel on a [TS]

00:01:20   wireless device that sitting in my lap [TS]

00:01:21   playing his his interactive fiction and [TS]

00:01:26   and podcasting while on the loo [TS]

00:01:28   he's multitasking and Greg now stay [TS]

00:01:31   right [TS]

00:01:31   anglin that's nice with the k yes it is [TS]

00:01:34   and our special guest tonight your house [TS]

00:01:36   Graham guys hello hello [TS]

00:01:38   jaws is a he's our special guest because [TS]

00:01:40   he's special person guys involved with [TS]

00:01:42   interactive best design and community [TS]

00:01:44   building but he also worked on the [TS]

00:01:48   website for starship titanic which is [TS]

00:01:50   how i met him because you guys create [TS]

00:01:52   interesting things that compel people to [TS]

00:01:54   go down rabbit holes and never return if [TS]

00:01:56   that's an accurate description of your [TS]

00:01:57   work that that side generally basic just [TS]

00:01:59   pick off small quantities of the [TS]

00:02:01   population and steal them away and [TS]

00:02:04   eventually I will have them all as my [TS]

00:02:06   believe that's a doctor who episode [TS]

00:02:07   maybe we'll come back to that it [TS]

00:02:09   probably is probably several doctors and [TS]

00:02:11   I should also point out you guys work [TS]

00:02:12   with the h2g2 dot com site the triggers [TS]

00:02:15   going to go yeah I did [TS]

00:02:16   aight i was on hgtv.com i worked on [TS]

00:02:19   douglas adams calm and later on our [TS]

00:02:25   leaving I still got involved with I was [TS]

00:02:27   partially involved with the movie and [TS]

00:02:29   things to do kind of with with one of [TS]

00:02:32   the games and various and I'm still part [TS]

00:02:37   of that one drowns they get the [TS]

00:02:38   education it gets together and recall [TS]

00:02:39   once they get their hooks into you and [TS]

00:02:40   never let go you can never leave in this [TS]

00:02:42   community exactly except location we get [TS]

00:02:45   pulled into random other things a whole [TS]

00:02:47   bunch of X TV people got pulled in to [TS]

00:02:49   help out with the first season of the IT [TS]

00:02:51   crowd which we therefore perfect sense [TS]

00:02:55   yeah so and in fact Sean saleh who was [TS]

00:02:59   who was one of the main TV techies and [TS]

00:03:02   TV being the digital village the company [TS]

00:03:04   which Douglas was creative director is [TS]

00:03:08   the main geek on set at for the IT crowd [TS]

00:03:12   full series of the 90s and marvelous [TS]

00:03:13   pictures and flicker of the set design [TS]

00:03:15   that he did for that with the the amount [TS]

00:03:17   of stuff he kept in his basement and [TS]

00:03:19   people laughed at him until the show [TS]

00:03:21   premiered and it was all unleashed the [TS]

00:03:23   television exactly and this in season [TS]

00:03:26   one there's god we got this there's like [TS]

00:03:28   my father-in-law's commodore pet has [TS]

00:03:30   priced quite a place on the season one [TS]

00:03:32   set it to 0 I i love that i had a [TS]

00:03:35   commodore pet when I was a kid but [TS]

00:03:36   that's the really old model it's the [TS]

00:03:38   like metal keep tiny metal keyboard [TS]

00:03:41   model know that now yeah [TS]

00:03:42   IT crowd episode made maybe you can so [TS]

00:03:45   that Commodore 64 week well I've got a [TS]

00:03:48   transition to pet the Pet Sounds one of [TS]

00:03:50   his first computers used was a Commodore [TS]

00:03:51   bet apparently according to his [TS]

00:03:53   biography I it is now his biography use [TS]

00:03:56   the Macintosh later but so Douglas Adams [TS]

00:03:58   douglas adams is an unwieldy person to [TS]

00:04:01   talk about not just because he was over [TS]

00:04:03   six feet tall and spindly not just [TS]

00:04:05   because he was interested in everything [TS]

00:04:06   but the man my god every time I look at [TS]

00:04:09   douglas adams I think I know what he [TS]

00:04:11   actually did with his life he died at a [TS]

00:04:13   young age cited 49 and i always think [TS]

00:04:15   about that Tom layer quote about Mozart [TS]

00:04:17   toddler was no cup singing music in the [TS]

00:04:19   nineteen fifties and he had this line [TS]

00:04:21   when he was about 35 he said it is [TS]

00:04:23   sobering thought that when Mozart was my [TS]

00:04:25   age he had been dead for two years and I [TS]

00:04:28   think that about douglas adams now he's [TS]

00:04:29   got six years only when he died but i [TS]

00:04:31   think if i could do a fraction with and [TS]

00:04:33   he wrote for doctor who he was worked [TS]

00:04:36   with graham Khaleesi [TS]

00:04:37   was appeared Monty Python he [TS]

00:04:39   collaborated with musicians he was [TS]

00:04:41   stephen Fry's very good friends early [TS]

00:04:43   macintosh user he did a documentary [TS]

00:04:45   about hypertext in 1990 you know and [TS]

00:04:48   that's in addition to what he's of [TS]

00:04:50   course best known for The Hitchhiker's [TS]

00:04:51   Guide to the galaxy squad rolla gee [TS]

00:04:53   Quinn ecology which is actually a [TS]

00:04:55   trilogy so I thought it might be fun to [TS]

00:04:57   start with you know what the thing is [TS]

00:04:59   out of all that what do you mean we're [TS]

00:05:01   all here because douglas adams [TS]

00:05:02   influenced our lives we remember him [TS]

00:05:04   fondly as work and you know what do you [TS]

00:05:07   remember [TS]

00:05:08   that's what influenced you most Steve [TS]

00:05:10   why don't you start to know you said [TS]

00:05:11   that an email that Douglas is a great [TS]

00:05:13   influence on on what you've done with [TS]

00:05:15   your life [TS]

00:05:16   well I haven't really done so much work [TS]

00:05:18   because an influence [TS]

00:05:20   yeah actually uh originally heard about [TS]

00:05:23   hitchhiker's guide because i was into [TS]

00:05:24   interactive fiction and I was big [TS]

00:05:26   infocomm fan back in the eighties and i [TS]

00:05:29   had never heard of it [TS]

00:05:30   strikers guy who can run across the [TS]

00:05:33   state maretskiy douglas adams check your [TS]

00:05:35   guide to the galaxy all text adventure [TS]

00:05:36   back in nineteen eighty-four when it [TS]

00:05:39   came out in one of the catalogs so I [TS]

00:05:41   gave it a go and immediately fell in [TS]

00:05:43   love with his prose just there's [TS]

00:05:46   something so marvelous about the way it [TS]

00:05:48   construct sentences these gloriously [TS]

00:05:50   complex compound almost ridiculously so [TS]

00:05:54   you're just always teetering on the [TS]

00:05:56   brink of run-on sentences and it was at [TS]

00:06:01   that point that as somebody who was [TS]

00:06:03   always interested in humor and comedy [TS]

00:06:05   that I realized just how important [TS]

00:06:07   sentence structure is 22 actual humor [TS]

00:06:11   and and the fact that so much of of the [TS]

00:06:15   payoff for the punch line is the [TS]

00:06:18   build-up and he really was a master of [TS]

00:06:20   that and so after playing through the [TS]

00:06:23   games I i picked up the books and and [TS]

00:06:26   you know was hooked from page one of the [TS]

00:06:29   first book and he up i have done some [TS]

00:06:34   humor writing [TS]

00:06:35   yeah some of that you know could be [TS]

00:06:36   described as humor i suppose and and [TS]

00:06:40   I've never forgot those lessons but you [TS]

00:06:43   know i guess in some ways i would say [TS]

00:06:45   that those lessons have in fact been [TS]

00:06:47   what caused me to to write less than I [TS]

00:06:50   probably should because I [TS]

00:06:51   become such a stickler for things like [TS]

00:06:53   word choice and sentence structure that [TS]

00:06:57   that I find myself so wrapped around the [TS]

00:07:00   axle trying to put together the perfect [TS]

00:07:01   sentence with just the right temperature [TS]

00:07:03   and just the right rhythm that I never [TS]

00:07:06   finished damn Eric well the good thing [TS]

00:07:08   is to know that that Douglas Adams also [TS]

00:07:10   apparently agonized over everything so [TS]

00:07:12   it's it's some relief you know this the [TS]

00:07:14   people who write prose a sit-down irate [TS]

00:07:16   3,000 words in a couple hours it's and [TS]

00:07:19   that's what goes in the book and then [TS]

00:07:20   there's people who agonized to make it [TS]

00:07:22   just right and just perfect and I [TS]

00:07:23   sympathize with that much more it's like [TS]

00:07:27   you know that the quote that doctors had [TS]

00:07:29   about right that saying that writing [TS]

00:07:30   comedy is easy you just take a blank [TS]

00:07:32   piece of paper and then stare at it [TS]

00:07:33   until your forehead that is excellent [TS]

00:07:38   Greg what about you what's your Douglas [TS]

00:07:41   at once your douglas adams special man [TS]

00:07:44   well I was a young boy and I was home [TS]

00:07:49   sick from school and my mom was tired of [TS]

00:07:51   me just moaning quietly to myself and so [TS]

00:07:53   she went to the library and she just [TS]

00:07:55   pick something and she picked us she [TS]

00:07:57   picked something off the shelf at random [TS]

00:07:59   and it turned out it was the third [TS]

00:08:01   hitchhiker book and she brought home to [TS]

00:08:02   me and she dropped in my lap and she [TS]

00:08:03   said shut your pie hole and read and I [TS]

00:08:06   read and it made no sense at all because [TS]

00:08:09   it starts off with Arthur on prehistoric [TS]

00:08:11   earth and I I picked the story of [TS]

00:08:15   literally two-thirds of the way through [TS]

00:08:16   and I was absolutely blown away it I i [TS]

00:08:19   read it all that day and then I read the [TS]

00:08:21   whole book and then i read it again the [TS]

00:08:23   next day and there are a couple of [TS]

00:08:25   points where my life feels like it [TS]

00:08:27   pivots when I was young and that [TS]

00:08:31   afternoon reading that book totally [TS]

00:08:34   changed the way I approached writing and [TS]

00:08:36   comedy and really what was possible when [TS]

00:08:42   you start putting words together [TS]

00:08:43   Steve talked about the sentence [TS]

00:08:44   structure what struck me was his gift [TS]

00:08:46   for metaphor and simile and how [TS]

00:08:49   something that's so pedestrian is [TS]

00:08:52   comparing one thing to another thing can [TS]

00:08:54   be made brand-new if you do it the right [TS]

00:08:56   way i mean the the classic example from [TS]

00:08:59   the beginning of the first book is the [TS]

00:09:01   Vogon ship hovers in the air much the [TS]

00:09:02   way a brick does not [TS]

00:09:04   which it its it's perfect in so many [TS]

00:09:08   ways and it's hilarious and I ape [TS]

00:09:12   douglas adams for roughly the next 15 [TS]

00:09:14   years trying to produce something a 10th [TS]

00:09:16   is good and I don't think I've ever [TS]

00:09:19   really succeeded but my favorite parts [TS]

00:09:22   of writing are coming up with just the [TS]

00:09:25   right metaphor to describe something in [TS]

00:09:27   a way that people wouldn't have [TS]

00:09:29   anticipated so it's funny at the same [TS]

00:09:30   time I had that moment recently when i [TS]

00:09:33   was reading something for the Economist [TS]

00:09:35   letterpress and my editor changed that [TS]

00:09:37   my description of letterpress paper you [TS]

00:09:39   know hitting including paper like not [TS]

00:09:43   like a a French kiss but like a nobody [TS]

00:09:46   supposed to be a light touch like a a [TS]

00:09:48   brush on the side of the cheeky change [TS]

00:09:50   french-kiss to snog and I was so very [TS]

00:09:52   very happy for that word choice that I [TS]

00:09:56   think the analogy work much better yards [TS]

00:09:59   now you knew douglas adams you work with [TS]

00:10:00   him a bit and and so your memories your [TS]

00:10:02   memories of those atoms are actual [TS]

00:10:05   memories of douglas adams yes yes in [TS]

00:10:07   fact douglas adams my father sorry i was [TS]

00:10:11   just very special incomparables yeah it [TS]

00:10:14   was it was always wanted [TS]

00:10:16   well it was my mother who introduced me [TS]

00:10:18   to hitch hikers she was something about [TS]

00:10:22   sci-fi fan and she was listening to the [TS]

00:10:24   radio a story that starts that way is [TS]

00:10:25   very differently so it's where radio [TS]

00:10:33   three such you [TS]

00:10:34   yes home [TS]

00:10:39   yeah and and to be on well it she what [TS]

00:10:42   she did she bought the she takes on the [TS]

00:10:46   radio series but my first instruction [TS]

00:10:48   was one of the lesser-known versions of [TS]

00:10:50   the cannon which is the LPS oh yes that [TS]

00:10:56   there were recorded vinyl LPs which are [TS]

00:11:00   not the radio series they are a whole [TS]

00:11:02   new recording but with the same i think [TS]

00:11:05   an almost identical cast and they were [TS]

00:11:08   recorded shortly after the radio they [TS]

00:11:09   were recorded the head unfit herbs I [TS]

00:11:12   mean they went because douglas adams [TS]

00:11:13   they went to exactly the full-length [TS]

00:11:15   that was possible [TS]

00:11:16   I'll be recording technology if i recall [TS]

00:11:18   practically down to the second yes yes [TS]

00:11:20   exactly exactly and they went so long [TS]

00:11:22   that some of them the the needle keeps [TS]

00:11:25   coming off games references for that [TS]

00:11:26   thing finished but the whole the [TS]

00:11:29   continual joke about actually was [TS]

00:11:31   officers upper arm are ya was what are [TS]

00:11:33   the Bruce was one of the bruises on yes [TS]

00:11:35   yes [TS]

00:11:37   right exactly um so uh and then I listen [TS]

00:11:41   listen to that there was a hitchhiker's [TS]

00:11:43   double LP and there was a restaurant the [TS]

00:11:44   interviews first single LP and I think [TS]

00:11:47   the single player is the first place [TS]

00:11:49   where the handles get replaced by hop [TS]

00:11:51   like crazy otto and disaster area [TS]

00:11:53   I think but um sorry now Madison now I [TS]

00:11:57   must be really arguing i'm gonna argue [TS]

00:12:00   is yes but I also listen to some of the [TS]

00:12:04   radio series which scared the shit out [TS]

00:12:06   of me because the audio production is so [TS]

00:12:08   good they serve some bit especially [TS]

00:12:09   later on in the second series like when [TS]

00:12:13   Marvin is stuck down this massive shaft [TS]

00:12:15   that has been formed by him plummeting [TS]

00:12:17   into the surface of the planet which [TS]

00:12:19   have a planet the bird planet and also [TS]

00:12:22   afford and say for coming along this [TS]

00:12:25   starliner that's been waiting for moist [TS]

00:12:28   lemon soap paper napkins are several [TS]

00:12:30   millennia and the audio is so terrifying [TS]

00:12:34   you know and so used to stand i was only [TS]

00:12:37   like seven or eight years old my stand [TS]

00:12:38   at the edge of the room just so i could [TS]

00:12:39   not run out of the bottle scary and so [TS]

00:12:42   you read the books and I yeah I loved [TS]

00:12:46   most TV series i loved that I think my [TS]

00:12:50   favorite novelist up gently overall but [TS]

00:12:54   also have a great fondness for a last [TS]

00:12:57   chance to see and then in a 97 I was 96 [TS]

00:13:05   96 when i graduated from computer [TS]

00:13:07   science university college london and i [TS]

00:13:10   saw on Sunday morning program dollars [TS]

00:13:12   are being interviewed by somebody and he [TS]

00:13:14   was mentioned his new his new company [TS]

00:13:15   the digital village that was going to [TS]

00:13:17   internet stuff and went and wandering [TS]

00:13:20   around college one day shortly after I [TS]

00:13:22   graduated I bumped into somebody called [TS]

00:13:25   andreas who was who are nice like we're [TS]

00:13:28   thinking going on at all it's [TS]

00:13:29   interesting i have [TS]

00:13:30   that the company traditional village and [TS]

00:13:32   he said oh yeah i'm setting up network [TS]

00:13:33   and so he introduced me to the CTO rich [TS]

00:13:37   terrace and then with the traditionally [TS]

00:13:40   glacial speed we had hiring people for [TS]

00:13:42   me a six months later I was I was [TS]

00:13:44   disabilities first dedicated web tacky I [TS]

00:13:47   was the backend makes your code number [TS]

00:13:51   on and i worked on the cipher starship [TS]

00:13:55   titanic after the very first thing i did [TS]

00:13:57   was a mini site which is still up and i [TS]

00:14:01   can tell during World time this [TS]

00:14:02   conversation is going to be continued [TS]

00:14:04   referencing things that we need to then [TS]

00:14:05   publishes URL and something shown a [TS]

00:14:07   little risk there's those are ovulation [TS]

00:14:08   all get closer as many URLs as possible [TS]

00:14:11   to be the show notes later around our [TS]

00:14:12   website excellent arm so let's go off in [TS]

00:14:15   front of Jason I'm trying to live up to [TS]

00:14:19   it [TS]

00:14:19   that's right um so yeah we did a little [TS]

00:14:24   cuz the radio forward was expecting bits [TS]

00:14:26   of last chance to say and we did a [TS]

00:14:29   little mini site for with it [TS]

00:14:32   that was the first thing I just like [TS]

00:14:33   HTML friends in 97 yeah and we we [TS]

00:14:36   realized our hang on a minute the last [TS]

00:14:37   chance to see a multimedia cd-rom [TS]

00:14:40   because that was one of the first one [TS]

00:14:43   that was one of the early you know big [TS]

00:14:45   early nineties cd-rom productions where [TS]

00:14:48   they just let's just throw everything on [TS]

00:14:49   the cd-rom loaded graphics loads of [TS]

00:14:51   everything and his company called [TS]

00:14:53   Voyager did it and then we said okay [TS]

00:14:56   who's got one does didn't nobody else [TS]

00:14:59   had we found one mail order company in [TS]

00:15:02   virginia that had it and we got it [TS]

00:15:05   shipped over so that the graphics off [TS]

00:15:07   except it turns out that the company [TS]

00:15:09   that made it [TS]

00:15:09   I now found many years later one per [TS]

00:15:11   cycle Kevin marks who was like things [TS]

00:15:14   are unremarkably empower i'm looking at [TS]

00:15:15   him and when are right now [TS]

00:15:17   tweet them just by exactly Kevin and I [TS]

00:15:19   have weirdly intersected in loads of [TS]

00:15:22   ways that we've only just realized in [TS]

00:15:25   each other's careers and one of the ways [TS]

00:15:26   that we've inspected is that he worked [TS]

00:15:28   on that CD rom and had and was living in [TS]

00:15:33   London the time so if we didn't know [TS]

00:15:35   about it we could have just popped [TS]

00:15:36   across London to get a copy but so and [TS]

00:15:40   he also worked played with my morning [TS]

00:15:42   presence server that [TS]

00:15:43   I'm yes but so did various things that [TS]

00:15:47   such a platonic website and the bizarre [TS]

00:15:52   way we put the novel online which was [TS]

00:15:55   entirely in alphabetical order [TS]

00:15:57   we did the doctors com site we did h2g2 [TS]

00:16:01   that this was much more involved in [TS]

00:16:02   starship titanic then he wasn't a stupid [TS]

00:16:04   shit actually parked there for a second [TS]

00:16:06   we're talking before the absolute before [TS]

00:16:07   the show started it should do this is [TS]

00:16:09   the easy 2.com which is now the BBC [TS]

00:16:11   still own it or these sell it now so [TS]

00:16:14   it's interesting that this is actually [TS]

00:16:16   still under negotiation because i was [TS]

00:16:19   there too and shutting it down because [TS]

00:16:20   they could save some massive sum of a [TS]

00:16:22   hundred pounds or something by not [TS]

00:16:23   operating any further [TS]

00:16:25   ya hu this was this was a wikipedia [TS]

00:16:28   before there's wikipedia essentially was [TS]

00:16:30   a mass off kind of uh alright but it was [TS]

00:16:33   it was a massive depository of [TS]

00:16:35   information kind of a hitchhiker's guide [TS]

00:16:37   style or conceit but it was real [TS]

00:16:40   information had a but you could have [TS]

00:16:42   people could edit people could [TS]

00:16:43   contribute it was less than anything [TS]

00:16:46   much that was a pocket full or at least [TS]

00:16:47   wildly inaccurate it contained much [TS]

00:16:50   certainly a launch time it contained [TS]

00:16:51   much that was people doing really bad [TS]

00:16:54   dog impressions you know this is the [TS]

00:16:58   thing that happened what one thing I [TS]

00:16:59   found is that any time you put up a [TS]

00:17:00   community related to douglas in some way [TS]

00:17:02   to get swamped because there's this [TS]

00:17:03   massive myth that that it's a very that [TS]

00:17:08   Douglas humor is a very cold thing it's [TS]

00:17:09   a very specific thing and this thing and [TS]

00:17:11   if you if you like it then you want a [TS]

00:17:12   very select type and you'll meet people [TS]

00:17:14   of your kind and of course it's bollocks [TS]

00:17:15   Douglas humor in the whole reason so [TS]

00:17:17   successful is very Universal and trust [TS]

00:17:19   me up been exposed to enough fans of [TS]

00:17:21   Douglas work but that there really isn't [TS]

00:17:25   that much in common with the whole world [TS]

00:17:26   it's funny we can talk about that when I [TS]

00:17:28   was interviewing for an article someone [TS]

00:17:29   to go is there that that's what is great [TS]

00:17:32   great things you think you're in a tiny [TS]

00:17:34   club that's like five other nurturing [TS]

00:17:36   you and you have found this remarkable [TS]

00:17:38   special thing and it turns out there are [TS]

00:17:40   a hundred million people in that Club [TS]

00:17:41   you just don't see them all the same [TS]

00:17:42   time completely and it's also because [TS]

00:17:45   when we'll be talking about the most [TS]

00:17:46   even and great for mentioning about [TS]

00:17:48   aspects of Douglass's writing techniques [TS]

00:17:51   that they really loved one of the things [TS]

00:17:52   that it was really brought home to me [TS]

00:17:54   when seeing people do bad bugs [TS]

00:17:56   impression [TS]

00:17:56   is that a lot a lot of ducks writing [TS]

00:18:01   especially for saying can be lots of [TS]

00:18:03   run-on sentences and really quite [TS]

00:18:05   convoluted things but a lot of it is [TS]

00:18:07   also incredibly concise the impact of a [TS]

00:18:11   lot of one of his best jokes comes from [TS]

00:18:13   incredible conciseness and this is [TS]

00:18:17   something that people get massively [TS]

00:18:18   wrong they think of it maybe they hear [TS]

00:18:20   Peter Jones voice in their head and they [TS]

00:18:22   go [TS]

00:18:23   these wild run on convoluted sentences [TS]

00:18:25   and they just die on the vine so badly [TS]

00:18:27   having and you know dr. skill was either [TS]

00:18:30   in you know anything down so tightly to [TS]

00:18:34   have maximum impact or in possibly even [TS]

00:18:37   harder being able to maintain a run-on [TS]

00:18:39   sentence while maintaining your interest [TS]

00:18:41   and still making it fine you know [TS]

00:18:43   anything it's that he has that he has a [TS]

00:18:46   style that it makes people think that [TS]

00:18:48   he's doing something different is [TS]

00:18:50   because he's so quotable and you can the [TS]

00:18:52   the credibility of it makes it seem a [TS]

00:18:54   lot more trivial but that he's doing he [TS]

00:18:56   sort of being silly with language and he [TS]

00:18:58   actually is something that you said [TS]

00:18:59   about what we're talking about is his [TS]

00:19:01   sentence structure really resonates with [TS]

00:19:04   me because I think that you missed the [TS]

00:19:07   point if you think i can write a run-on [TS]

00:19:09   sentence and have it be this crazy kind [TS]

00:19:11   of discursive sentence and throw a bunch [TS]

00:19:14   of wacky things and will be funny when [TS]

00:19:16   in fact a guy and I think this is why he [TS]

00:19:18   struggled so much to write at a at a [TS]

00:19:21   decent pace is because those sentences [TS]

00:19:24   that he wrote were constructed very [TS]

00:19:27   particularly so that every clause that [TS]

00:19:30   got added had a particular comedic [TS]

00:19:33   effect and this is what Steve was saying [TS]

00:19:34   that it was about a piling on it what [TS]

00:19:37   you thought it was about a and now you [TS]

00:19:38   think it's about be and even with [TS]

00:19:41   something like the spaceships hanging in [TS]

00:19:43   the way in the air the way a brick [TS]

00:19:45   doesn't you know every word of that is [TS]

00:19:49   crafted so that the meaning can change [TS]

00:19:52   on the last word in the sentence right [TS]

00:19:54   and that that's that was the power of [TS]

00:19:56   his style and I think it's so easy for [TS]

00:19:59   people who are trying to ape it too just [TS]

00:20:02   to miss it to miss the fact that there's [TS]

00:20:04   so much that goes into that structure [TS]

00:20:05   it's not just a rambling run on its very [TS]

00:20:08   specific [TS]

00:20:10   you know you can tell that he agonized [TS]

00:20:12   over those sentences if you if you look [TS]

00:20:14   at employees there's one of one of my [TS]

00:20:15   favorite [TS]

00:20:17   yeah but one of the lines of thinking [TS]

00:20:18   one of my favorite lines from older [TS]

00:20:20   books is actually from from mostly [TS]

00:20:22   harmless when he's describing New York [TS]

00:20:24   in the fall when they saying that the s [TS]

00:20:27   males like someone's been frying coats [TS]

00:20:28   in it and the only way to breathe is to [TS]

00:20:30   open the window and stick your head in [TS]

00:20:32   the building which is just if you want [TS]

00:20:35   that the perfect you know example of [TS]

00:20:37   like the punchline but completely flips [TS]

00:20:40   it is ground you cheat Jason that you [TS]

00:20:41   haven't had a chance to talk about your [TS]

00:20:43   what what led you to the cult of mr. [TS]

00:20:46   Adams I actually think the way work for [TS]

00:20:48   me was was similarly backward to some of [TS]

00:20:51   the other ways although I not as [TS]

00:20:52   backward as reading the third book or [TS]

00:20:54   reading or doing the hypertext infocomm [TS]

00:20:58   game i saw i thought i came to her [TS]

00:21:00   backwards in terms of like maybe just [TS]

00:21:02   came to it sideways my local PBS station [TS]

00:21:05   when I was growing up ran doctor who on [TS]

00:21:08   saturday nights and and that's where i [TS]

00:21:11   watch the you know the tom baker and [TS]

00:21:13   peter davison years Doctor Who weren't [TS]

00:21:14   you out on saturday night IE in in high [TS]

00:21:18   school and parties with other people i [TS]

00:21:19   know i was watching Doctor Who what are [TS]

00:21:21   you talking about and the list two [TS]

00:21:23   things are our I which came first the [TS]

00:21:25   chicken or the egg before doctor who won [TS]

00:21:28   one night there was this other british [TS]

00:21:31   sci-fi show and it turned out it was the [TS]

00:21:35   hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy TV [TS]

00:21:37   adaptation from the early eighties so i [TS]

00:21:41   watch that and I recorded that on a VHS [TS]

00:21:43   tape and I must watch that thing I don't [TS]

00:21:47   know how many times over and over again [TS]

00:21:49   because it was so unlike anything I've [TS]

00:21:50   ever seen before and um and I actually i [TS]

00:21:55   was i think i was like in 8th grade or a [TS]

00:21:56   freshman in high school and I i took a [TS]

00:21:58   speech class in high school and we had [TS]

00:22:01   to memorize a dialogue and i ended up [TS]

00:22:04   memorizing the dialogue between Arthur [TS]

00:22:06   debt and mr. Prosser as Arthur is laying [TS]

00:22:09   in the in the mud between the bulldozer [TS]

00:22:11   and his house having an entire [TS]

00:22:14   conversation about how he's not going to [TS]

00:22:17   go up that leads eventually to him 22 [TS]

00:22:19   Ford convincing him to mr. Prosser lay [TS]

00:22:22   down in the mud [TS]

00:22:23   and I can still I think at times recite [TS]

00:22:26   that from memory so that's how I that's [TS]

00:22:27   how I discovered it and so it was that [TS]

00:22:29   it was the dialogue which was really you [TS]

00:22:31   know very representative as it turns out [TS]

00:22:33   that struck me about it in the crazy [TS]

00:22:35   ideas and so from there I went to the [TS]

00:22:37   books and also discovered at that point [TS]

00:22:39   that he was about that same time that [TS]

00:22:42   his episodes his season of doctor who [TS]

00:22:44   was on and he wrote a couple episodes of [TS]

00:22:48   that so I remember seeing the episode [TS]

00:22:50   the pirate planet which is really [TS]

00:22:51   ridiculous and it turns out the episode [TS]

00:22:53   that i really like from that season was [TS]

00:22:55   called the city of death which has got [TS]

00:22:57   Leonardo DaVinci any pot paints multiple [TS]

00:23:00   Mona Lisa's so they could be taken and [TS]

00:23:02   chickens and a yes that's true plan it [TS]

00:23:05   is true it's not a camera not a key [TS]

00:23:07   point but it is there but the idea that [TS]

00:23:09   that can pop your time-travel one of the [TS]

00:23:12   things you might do is go back in time [TS]

00:23:13   and convince Leonardo DaVinci to pet [TS]

00:23:15   paint 647 model places so that you can [TS]

00:23:18   sell them all but that doesn't work if [TS]

00:23:20   the Mona Lisa's still hanging in the [TS]

00:23:22   Louvre so what you need to do is also [TS]

00:23:23   then steal the real Mona Lisa or one of [TS]

00:23:25   the many Mona Lisa's then you can sell [TS]

00:23:27   all of them and this is the plot of that [TS]

00:23:29   episode it was by a guy named David [TS]

00:23:31   Agnew but it turns out that was a [TS]

00:23:32   pseudonym because he wrote it basically [TS]

00:23:35   he he rewrote parts of it from an [TS]

00:23:38   earlier screenplay and that's one of the [TS]

00:23:40   best original you know classic Doctor [TS]

00:23:43   Who episodes and then watch that we sing [TS]

00:23:45   and then I am for years just read Julian [TS]

00:23:47   Glover is in that it is a wacky wacky [TS]

00:23:50   episode and then only later did I [TS]

00:23:52   discovered that there was also an [TS]

00:23:54   unfinished douglas adams an episode of [TS]

00:23:57   doctor who called sada which it's funny [TS]

00:24:00   because by the time I saw they actually [TS]

00:24:02   have done a kind of a reconstruction [TS]

00:24:04   parts of the location footage was never [TS]

00:24:06   shot because of a BBC strike my [TS]

00:24:09   understanding is actually coming out in [TS]

00:24:10   the DVD next year or later this year [TS]

00:24:13   oh wow but with some bridging material [TS]

00:24:16   and some redone special-effects trying [TS]

00:24:17   to make it as complete as they can [TS]

00:24:18   without that missing footage but the [TS]

00:24:20   funny they today right so they're doing [TS]

00:24:23   the DVD and presumably expanding it [TS]

00:24:24   further and there's actually an audio [TS]

00:24:26   adaptation that they did Big Finish did [TS]

00:24:28   starring paul mcgann that's very funny I [TS]

00:24:30   mean that's sort of the pure a complete [TS]

00:24:32   douglas adams script but the funniest [TS]

00:24:34   thing about it to me is that [TS]

00:24:36   and when i read Dirk Gently holistic [TS]

00:24:38   detective agency i discovered that [TS]

00:24:39   Douglas Adams not wanting to leave that [TS]

00:24:42   unfinished episode just sort of sitting [TS]

00:24:44   there at once since it was perfectly [TS]

00:24:45   good recycle large portions of it in the [TS]

00:24:49   novel yeah [TS]

00:24:50   Dirk Gently and city city o def and that [TS]

00:24:52   as well there's elements of both frame [TS]

00:24:54   right so so basically i got into douglas [TS]

00:24:57   adams from seeing these TV adaptations [TS]

00:24:58   and then went back from there to the [TS]

00:25:01   books and only in the last couple of [TS]

00:25:03   years that I really realized i had never [TS]

00:25:06   heard the radio plays and those are [TS]

00:25:07   fantastic but hey i'm out i'm a late [TS]

00:25:09   comer to those which is ironic since [TS]

00:25:11   those rubber the originals [TS]

00:25:14   maybe the the TV adaptations are [TS]

00:25:17   available for streaming on that they are [TS]

00:25:19   oh and in fact I've just been watching [TS]

00:25:21   the first three or four of them I as [TS]

00:25:23   prep for this podcast and so you think [TS]

00:25:26   for the whole story you know that wow [TS]

00:25:27   there's already another fascinating you [TS]

00:25:31   know that they did actually show some of [TS]

00:25:33   the shark material in another doctor in [TS]

00:25:35   the in the anniversary special and Tom [TS]

00:25:37   Baker didn't want to go in they pulled [TS]

00:25:38   the scene out of it and write slapped in [TS]

00:25:41   there right in that the lysol yes yes [TS]

00:25:44   Tom Baker is the only one of the five [TS]

00:25:45   boxes and do you know why he doesn't [TS]

00:25:47   appear he refused to do and he refused [TS]

00:25:50   to do it because he was still really [TS]

00:25:51   pissed off a doctor who at the concept [TS]

00:25:53   of doctor who party because i think is [TS]

00:25:55   getting typecast but mostly because it [TS]

00:25:57   had an unhappy love affair specifically [TS]

00:25:59   with lot of wars who was that he'd [TS]

00:26:01   married romana la reward and they've [TS]

00:26:04   been married for like 16 months and then [TS]

00:26:06   they split up and he was really [TS]

00:26:07   heartbroken about it and he didn't want [TS]

00:26:09   to do any more doctor who until much [TS]

00:26:11   later when he finally got back into it [TS]

00:26:13   loll award who ended up married to [TS]

00:26:15   Richard introduced by Douglas Adams [TS]

00:26:17   introduced bipartisan group yes all go [TS]

00:26:21   back to Douglas out solutions [TS]

00:26:23   here's the funny thing i i'm i'm sooo [TS]

00:26:24   myself for last I actually picked up the [TS]

00:26:27   first the hitchhiker's guide book the [TS]

00:26:29   original one in junior high and that's [TS]

00:26:31   the first exposure to douglas adams and [TS]

00:26:33   I fell in love in the first page so i [TS]

00:26:35   have this extremely boring story i saved [TS]

00:26:36   it for last [TS]

00:26:37   i started at the beginning it's really [TS]

00:26:39   weird i know what is wrong with you [TS]

00:26:41   that's what it's looking like an [TS]

00:26:43   technically listen to the radio show on [TS]

00:26:44   the BBC would be right it's true start [TS]

00:26:48   but and i'm sure i remember coming [TS]

00:26:49   back to remember reading the books and [TS]

00:26:51   then hearing 30 shows had come out and I [TS]

00:26:53   think I listened to some of the original [TS]

00:26:54   shows but not much either LLP's as well [TS]

00:26:57   but the American releases which I [TS]

00:26:58   believe are somewhat different think i [TS]

00:27:00   have the British releases of the of the [TS]

00:27:03   LPS and thinking was sort of fun but you [TS]

00:27:06   know I didn't quite capture what the joy [TS]

00:27:08   the radio once were and then I later [TS]

00:27:10   read the radio plays I've heard some of [TS]

00:27:12   the radio adaptations are the original [TS]

00:27:13   sin like all those were much more fun [TS]

00:27:15   and they were crazy when i was reading [TS]

00:27:17   the real game and wrote the first [TS]

00:27:19   version of the don't panic [TS]

00:27:21   biography which i recommend i think it's [TS]

00:27:23   had guys you never talk about this like [TS]

00:27:25   four major overhauls over 20 hours and [TS]

00:27:28   each of them in it was great as if you [TS]

00:27:30   read the book i read i just read the [TS]

00:27:32   latest version of it which is just a few [TS]

00:27:34   years old and there are four levels of [TS]

00:27:36   footnotes where do game in the human [TS]

00:27:38   state will say something in some more [TS]

00:27:40   comments become Talmudic with all the [TS]

00:27:42   while he was the apocryphal other detail [TS]

00:27:45   around off its nobody's allowed to raise [TS]

00:27:48   the previous well thank you overhaul [TS]

00:27:49   original native ads and stuff but it's [TS]

00:27:51   it's really fun but you get from reading [TS]

00:27:53   those we all know we've talked about [TS]

00:27:54   already this episode and douglas adams [TS]

00:27:56   was had legendary inability to meet [TS]

00:28:00   deadlines what's everyone knows the [TS]

00:28:01   quoted some i love the sound of [TS]

00:28:03   deadlines especially as they go whizzing [TS]

00:28:04   past me is a that right [TS]

00:28:06   whooshing noises like yeah so so in when [TS]

00:28:10   he's doing radio plays I mean he would [TS]

00:28:12   be literally I believe in a control room [TS]

00:28:14   somewhere right in the dialogue that was [TS]

00:28:16   about to be recorded as the actors are [TS]

00:28:18   speaking the previous lines that were [TS]

00:28:20   just written just about and monumentally [TS]

00:28:23   monumentally late so explain some of the [TS]

00:28:25   craziness and the original research [TS]

00:28:27   shows these always fixing and every time [TS]

00:28:29   you have the opportunity to do a new [TS]

00:28:31   edition of hitchhikers guide or do some [TS]

00:28:33   revision he always made changes you [TS]

00:28:34   always try to improve on it and refine [TS]

00:28:36   that the core ideas and take out the [TS]

00:28:38   things he thought were sloppy or loser [TS]

00:28:41   or hazardous and so it triggers guide if [TS]

00:28:44   you read different editions of any of [TS]

00:28:45   her different things it changed over the [TS]

00:28:47   years to until it reaches sort of i [TS]

00:28:49   think a definitive edition i just got [TS]

00:28:52   this crazy thing is illustrated [TS]

00:28:53   Hitchhiker's Guide yeah yeah like a [TS]

00:28:56   moment's notice [TS]

00:28:56   yeah it's crazy it's the photography is [TS]

00:28:58   really bizarre and [TS]

00:29:00   it's kind of fun but it's really it's [TS]

00:29:02   one of the weirdest things I've seen [TS]

00:29:04   because it sort of I don't they went off [TS]

00:29:06   and shot you know photography of the [TS]

00:29:08   ocean for some weeks or months to make [TS]

00:29:10   this pod coffee table book one of the [TS]

00:29:13   things about the illustrated guide is [TS]

00:29:15   that they have been several designs to [TS]

00:29:17   Marvin over the years and i think that [TS]

00:29:20   the mob in the illustrated guide is the [TS]

00:29:22   closest to what Douglas actually saw was [TS]

00:29:24   Marvin he always hated the original TV [TS]

00:29:26   series Marvin bit because actually just [TS]

00:29:29   going to speak in favor of the time i [TS]

00:29:31   love this very serious my i really love [TS]

00:29:33   that you know it's funny because in the [TS]

00:29:35   book he was he was amusing but he got [TS]

00:29:37   tedious after a bit and then there's [TS]

00:29:39   just something so depressing about the [TS]

00:29:41   TV series Marvin that I just never get [TS]

00:29:44   tired of me watch dead and the first [TS]

00:29:46   four episodes now it's just I finally [TS]

00:29:48   Larry is the way walks and even signed [TS]

00:29:51   depressingly I mean it's boxy [TS]

00:29:52   ridiculously ok if you contrast so we [TS]

00:29:54   know we we should talk about the [TS]

00:29:55   triggers guide movie also which I really [TS]

00:29:57   liked to have gotten so we gave it to me [TS]

00:29:59   as a gift to get on DVD and the Marvin [TS]

00:30:01   there i think is also wonderful and [TS]

00:30:03   totally different conception as well and [TS]

00:30:06   what I sort of love is that the TV [TS]

00:30:08   series Zaphod his second head it'd never [TS]

00:30:11   work right and they spent some [TS]

00:30:12   ridiculous amount of money for [TS]

00:30:13   mechanical head for the TV show it's [TS]

00:30:16   terrible and it occasionally spits out [TS]

00:30:18   something in the actor ethic was losing [TS]

00:30:20   the use of his arm because it kept going [TS]

00:30:22   numb and the blood was cut off was tied [TS]

00:30:24   behind him and then the movie they kind [TS]

00:30:25   of make the two heads work and it sort [TS]

00:30:27   of I i think that the movie was much so [TS]

00:30:29   much more polished that I think the two [TS]

00:30:31   heads working seems so disappointed that [TS]

00:30:33   it was actually such a good head for [TS]

00:30:35   much of the film [TS]

00:30:36   yeah right i didn't write the movie at [TS]

00:30:38   all [TS]

00:30:39   share with us our whois record yeah I [TS]

00:30:42   didn't like the movie at all [TS]

00:30:43   I mean in fact even the TV series and [TS]

00:30:46   it's certainly better than the movie but [TS]

00:30:47   I don't like visual representations the [TS]

00:30:50   coffee table book doesn't work for me i [TS]

00:30:52   would much rather have this stuff in my [TS]

00:30:54   head because it's so inventive that I [TS]

00:30:56   see somebody else you know render it [TS]

00:30:59   into reality and it's wrong i think that [TS]

00:31:04   like in the original TV series forward [TS]

00:31:07   and Arthur are perfectly cast but [TS]

00:31:09   trillion was really [TS]

00:31:11   yeah yeah it's just drama as a mother [TS]

00:31:15   sharon and I've been for but for North [TS]

00:31:17   are dead on the TV so yeah god [TS]

00:31:19   especially especially Arthur who's just [TS]

00:31:22   I mean I it was the same act right Simon [TS]

00:31:24   Jones from the video [TS]

00:31:26   oh man he's phenomenal I mean anything [TS]

00:31:30   the movie he wrote and moving always the [TS]

00:31:32   user would see the movie I've forgotten [TS]

00:31:33   he's the micros via recorded message [TS]

00:31:37   yeah but I would much rather have [TS]

00:31:39   douglas adams on the page or in my ears [TS]

00:31:41   that in front of my face just because it [TS]

00:31:43   is so inventive and so out there that it [TS]

00:31:46   it's just that it from my perspective it [TS]

00:31:48   will be wrong [TS]

00:31:49   I'm sure somebody working very very hard [TS]

00:31:50   on it and they spend a lot of money to [TS]

00:31:52   make it exactly what they wanted but [TS]

00:31:53   it's just not right [TS]

00:31:55   well that the thing I liked about the [TS]

00:31:57   movie i have to say is that it was [TS]

00:31:58   different than the book so I didn't get [TS]

00:32:00   the same feeling of disappointment [TS]

00:32:01   because I thought they'd be conceived of [TS]

00:32:04   of things a bit then try to be a slavish [TS]

00:32:06   and then of course i read not that long [TS]

00:32:08   ago I don't think I understood this that [TS]

00:32:09   the movie that movie was in the [TS]

00:32:11   biography that the movie that that [TS]

00:32:13   doesn't actually worked on the movie i [TS]

00:32:15   mean i know it worked on it but that [TS]

00:32:16   what made the screen was not too far for [TS]

00:32:19   his conception it wasn't oh I filmmakers [TS]

00:32:21   took i have no doubt literally the [TS]

00:32:22   douglas adams i have read is now mine [TS]

00:32:24   and it's been in my head for 30 years [TS]

00:32:28   and I respect douglas adams vision but [TS]

00:32:32   he gave that to me 30 years ago and he's [TS]

00:32:35   wrong but what i have in my head is is [TS]

00:32:38   it [TS]

00:32:39   marito shot exactly it's what i have in [TS]

00:32:42   my head is arvind was boxes never felt [TS]

00:32:44   as far as I'm concerned that's Marvin [TS]

00:32:46   didn't have a shape he wasn't box he [TS]

00:32:48   wasn't around he was Marvin and I've [TS]

00:32:50   never nailed that down and so to see [TS]

00:32:52   somebody take stabs at it just feels [TS]

00:32:54   uncomfortable this is your characters [TS]

00:32:57   that I love in situations that i love [TS]

00:32:59   and you give me a perfect transition [TS]

00:33:01   which is I want to talk about since [TS]

00:33:03   we're talking about the books five books [TS]

00:33:04   right five books the increasingly in [TS]

00:33:06   accurately named trilogy and we're [TS]

00:33:08   talking largely about the first one [TS]

00:33:09   that's what the movie is really sort of [TS]

00:33:12   mostly about the first with elements of [TS]

00:33:13   all kinds of other stuff and the TV [TS]

00:33:15   series was was really the was the first [TS]

00:33:17   and restaurant the universe is part of [TS]

00:33:19   it [TS]

00:33:20   two members in the series include the [TS]

00:33:21   restaurant answer that yes not like the [TS]

00:33:23   cocl bit but I do appreciate it looks [TS]

00:33:27   around the TV star first two books so [TS]

00:33:28   but I'm you know [TS]

00:33:29   toilet flushing sound at the end of the [TS]

00:33:30   universe hehe but i would say start fast [TS]

00:33:34   my favorite character across all the [TS]

00:33:36   books identify with them it is the [TS]

00:33:38   greatest name [TS]

00:33:39   yes in your name is not important [TS]

00:33:42   he says yeah what it's like you know you [TS]

00:33:47   have that he came up with the name was [TS]

00:33:49   Douglas wrote down he do basic breakdown [TS]

00:33:53   a whole lot of roots words you could [TS]

00:33:54   think of I think he came up with my [TS]

00:33:55   fucking balls and then he basically [TS]

00:33:58   chopped up all the phonemes and [TS]

00:34:00   syllables and just rearranged everything [TS]

00:34:02   until he had something that he was [TS]

00:34:04   allowed to say on the radio but still [TS]

00:34:06   sounded complete that's like most [TS]

00:34:08   gratuitous use of the word belgium it [TS]

00:34:10   did you tell me the one about that he [TS]

00:34:12   also hated the Secretary was making fun [TS]

00:34:13   of the Secretary had a type of the [TS]

00:34:15   scripts because she had to keep typing [TS]

00:34:17   start fast he said he wouldn't tell the [TS]

00:34:19   name so the Secretary's type of way [TS]

00:34:20   Slartibartfast are fast in the scripts [TS]

00:34:22   and the character is not using his own [TS]

00:34:24   name for this whole exchange shot a [TS]

00:34:27   stipend over maybe that's into a panic [TS]

00:34:30   but i like i love bill nighy so I loved [TS]

00:34:33   his portrayal the movie but i always i [TS]

00:34:34   thought you know they'd be brought back [TS]

00:34:36   started our fast in book 3 becomes you [TS]

00:34:39   know more of a crusader but i just love [TS]

00:34:40   this man who's loaded devoted his life [TS]

00:34:42   to making you know nice crinkly fjords [TS]

00:34:44   and the fiddly bits and it's going out [TS]

00:34:46   of style and you're not a word he wanted [TS]

00:34:49   to but it turns out to be nice for the [TS]

00:34:50   friendly guy [TS]

00:34:51   sorry bar fast you know it gives them [TS]

00:34:53   the flyer to get away when they're [TS]

00:34:55   escaping from the goon squad on [TS]

00:34:57   Magrathea trying to slice and dice [TS]

00:35:00   Arthur's brain and who else it was [TS]

00:35:02   people must have favorite characters i [TS]

00:35:05   hear a lot of Marvins in this discussion [TS]

00:35:07   Arthur to identify with only a big head [TS]

00:35:10   yes perhaps depressingly cell and it put [TS]

00:35:14   upon every man who is totally [TS]

00:35:15   overwhelmed by events yeah that's me [TS]

00:35:17   that's that's why i never liked the [TS]

00:35:19   fourth book because so much of a partier [TS]

00:35:22   is darker is happy he is and how long [TS]

00:35:25   yeah he's not meant to be happy he's [TS]

00:35:27   been to be frustrated and put them on by [TS]

00:35:30   everybody around him he is he's not [TS]

00:35:32   meant for happy and they [TS]

00:35:33   and hence why i think i said earlier [TS]

00:35:35   podcast I maybe didn't make the final [TS]

00:35:37   cut that that I love the ending of the [TS]

00:35:40   mostly harmless [TS]

00:35:42   oh that's what i have to say i I've [TS]

00:35:44   never read the book a second time I was [TS]

00:35:45   so depressed by it but i understand that [TS]

00:35:47   yeah for the authors happy because [TS]

00:35:50   douglas adams was happy with that in [TS]

00:35:52   book five Douglas was very depressed but [TS]

00:35:54   mostly harmless so the book is like I [TS]

00:35:56   remember reading an interview with him [TS]

00:35:57   later saying I you know I wasn't that [TS]

00:36:00   great mood when i wrote that I got that [TS]

00:36:01   impression and it to me so much of [TS]

00:36:03   douglas adams work and maybe this is a [TS]

00:36:05   reflection on just a state of mind [TS]

00:36:07   throughout much of his life but was was [TS]

00:36:10   based on just utter frustration it i [TS]

00:36:14   mean Arthur I don't know to what extent [TS]

00:36:17   douglas adams kind of saw parallels in [TS]

00:36:20   in Arthur but I i think that's also why [TS]

00:36:23   the the games are so freaking hard [TS]

00:36:27   The Hitchhiker's Guide game to say is [TS]

00:36:29   fairly commonly consider our record is [TS]

00:36:32   sooo bureaucracy which was all about me [TS]

00:36:34   the whole game is about frustration I'm [TS]

00:36:37   ironically it was considerably easier [TS]

00:36:38   than the Hitchhiker's Guide game but I [TS]

00:36:41   mean that was sort of with that because [TS]

00:36:42   people want to know your common sense [TS]

00:36:44   that you know i never got that far [TS]

00:36:47   through the hitchhiker's game if I think [TS]

00:36:48   this guy you know if i recall whether it [TS]

00:36:50   was it wasn't exactly was it feudal was [TS]

00:36:52   our goal there was a way to win the game [TS]

00:36:54   right [TS]

00:36:55   it actually wasn't that difficult game [TS]

00:36:57   but it wasn't very first interactive [TS]

00:36:58   fiction game that intentionally lied to [TS]

00:37:00   you [TS]

00:37:01   okay i dont they detect that prince will [TS]

00:37:05   come [TS]

00:37:05   I was an infant on beta tester in high [TS]

00:37:07   school Wow and I did Hollywood hijinks [TS]

00:37:09   and ballyhoo and all Wow lurking horror [TS]

00:37:13   and Hitchhiker's Guide handsome they [TS]

00:37:15   eventually offered hints to beta testers [TS]

00:37:18   who couldn't get off the heart of gold [TS]

00:37:20   I think that was kind of our first [TS]

00:37:23   things I remember where they actually in [TS]

00:37:25   the manual came out and said this is how [TS]

00:37:27   you get through this puzzle before you [TS]

00:37:28   even start the game haha [TS]

00:37:30   the idea was automatically babbling but [TS]

00:37:34   the table's puzzle but uh yeah that I [TS]

00:37:37   think they're probably too sticking [TS]

00:37:39   points that people reference when they [TS]

00:37:40   talk about how how ridiculously hard [TS]

00:37:42   that was one of the tables puzzle which [TS]

00:37:45   is difficult but not impossible [TS]

00:37:47   because at that point you haven't [TS]

00:37:48   collected so much stuff that he can't [TS]

00:37:50   really figure out what you need to drop [TS]

00:37:51   in front of what [TS]

00:37:52   yeah and then the other idea because the [TS]

00:37:54   microscopic basically the witch which is [TS]

00:37:58   I think you're on board and it swallowed [TS]

00:38:01   by a dog and you have to make the [TS]

00:38:02   connection that way way back in the [TS]

00:38:05   first few scenes of the game you have to [TS]

00:38:07   distract ya we only kill the dog can't [TS]

00:38:11   cough or other girl can't swallow the [TS]

00:38:12   free trade right without actually cheese [TS]

00:38:14   sandwiches full if I may do a reading [TS]

00:38:17   yeah actually there's an app called wats [TS]

00:38:21   available in reference to a spell [TS]

00:38:23   enchanter that allows you to play old [TS]

00:38:26   info con games and I have it sitting on [TS]

00:38:27   my ipad now and and open to a select [TS]

00:38:31   page of The Hitchhiker's game pray read [TS]

00:38:34   to a while telling the silicon shell [TS]

00:38:37   it's like a sphere so initially there's [TS]

00:38:39   a description of the cheese sandwich and [TS]

00:38:40   and this is I think what a great example [TS]

00:38:42   of of what i think is the genius of [TS]

00:38:44   atoms and is his way of just sort of [TS]

00:38:47   stretching out a sentence and and [TS]

00:38:49   pitching things so perfectly for maximum [TS]

00:38:50   impact [TS]

00:38:51   so what the input is by cheese sandwich [TS]

00:38:54   and the output you get is the barman [TS]

00:38:57   gives you a cheese sandwich the bread is [TS]

00:39:00   like the stuff that stereos compact in [TS]

00:39:02   the cheese would be great for rubbing [TS]

00:39:03   out spelling mistakes and margarine and [TS]

00:39:05   pickle have performed an unedifying [TS]

00:39:07   chemical reaction to produce something [TS]

00:39:09   that shouldn't be but is turquoise since [TS]

00:39:12   it is clearly unfit for human [TS]

00:39:14   consumption you are grateful to be [TS]

00:39:15   charged only a pound for it a little bit [TS]

00:39:17   further down if you're wise enough to [TS]

00:39:19   give the cheese sandwich the dog you're [TS]

00:39:21   told [TS]

00:39:22   the dog is deeply moved with powerful [TS]

00:39:25   sweeps of its tail it indicates that [TS]

00:39:27   regards this cheese sandwich is one of [TS]

00:39:29   the great cheese sandwiches [TS]

00:39:31   nine out of ten pet owners could happen [TS]

00:39:33   by at this point expressing any [TS]

00:39:35   preference they pleased but this dog [TS]

00:39:36   would spurn both them and all their [TS]

00:39:38   teens this is a dog which has met its [TS]

00:39:41   main sandwich [TS]

00:39:42   it eats with passion and ignores a [TS]

00:39:45   passing microscopic space fleet but i [TS]

00:39:49   think i still had the fluff that came [TS]

00:39:52   with the game like a little flat and [TS]

00:39:53   there was in fact a microscopic Spacely [TS]

00:39:55   which was in fact just a cell phone [TS]

00:39:57   package it [TS]

00:39:58   oh that's when plastic bag yeah Scott [TS]

00:40:01   has faced blade on a bit of cardboard [TS]

00:40:02   that stayed out there and thinking I [TS]

00:40:03   loved infocomm feelings now that was [TS]

00:40:06   good but no yes since you actually grew [TS]

00:40:08   up in Blade II was the food that bad [TS]

00:40:11   then was the food that bad when I don't [TS]

00:40:14   know i don't think it's high season to [TS]

00:40:16   spend a lot of my time you spend a lot [TS]

00:40:18   of my time currently defending British [TS]

00:40:20   food to people who i am now it's all [TS]

00:40:22   ending matter and it's a different [TS]

00:40:24   matter [TS]

00:40:24   well he's been living here for well [TS]

00:40:26   there's a whole gastropub i love [TS]

00:40:27   gastropubs and there's certain things [TS]

00:40:29   that I really missed from britain now I [TS]

00:40:31   live in San Francisco living in Texas [TS]

00:40:33   gets past five years and i really miss a [TS]

00:40:35   nice banoffee pie which is the non it [TS]

00:40:38   sounds like the sort of thing you can [TS]

00:40:39   get very cheaply and Francisco certain [TS]

00:40:42   parts and yes except that it's a very [TS]

00:40:46   different experience and you kind of [TS]

00:40:48   wake up with all these kind of with [TS]

00:40:49   bruises but I'm but did you see and he's [TS]

00:40:52   given roadside I mean I think it's like [TS]

00:40:55   I have to say of all the things that are [TS]

00:40:57   most foreign to me about the books which [TS]

00:40:59   is you know I i feel like i have a some [TS]

00:41:01   understanding of the culture and I've [TS]

00:41:02   been to England a few times and so forth [TS]

00:41:04   but but it's the Buddhist adam talks [TS]

00:41:06   about the terrible the sheer awfulness [TS]

00:41:08   of the food so often i think is it just [TS]

00:41:11   the food he ate or I get them to [TS]

00:41:13   resonate with you being stuffed with [TS]

00:41:14   black pudding at age seven [TS]

00:41:16   I get the impression of the food me when [TS]

00:41:18   you was at some point little generally [TS]

00:41:21   terrible but I'll i said i've been four [TS]

00:41:23   times in the last 10 years and it's been [TS]

00:41:24   great so something happened but there [TS]

00:41:27   was a time certainly I mean for partners [TS]

00:41:30   pub food was that bad and legendarily [TS]

00:41:32   British Rail food they had legendarily [TS]

00:41:35   bad sandwiches I mean they were really [TS]

00:41:37   want to start with loads of people [TS]

00:41:39   didn't count it was a constant source of [TS]

00:41:41   sorts of humor but now that we've now [TS]

00:41:43   that we know we've had privatization [TS]

00:41:44   everything everything is is bad whole [TS]

00:41:47   other neway at about the good thing is [TS]

00:41:50   it is now been outsourced to multiple [TS]

00:41:52   different companies so they can compete [TS]

00:41:53   on innovating whole new ways of being [TS]

00:41:55   bad which i think that's that's a lot of [TS]

00:41:59   things that we quote in the in the trade [TS]

00:42:00   all the time I think Jason and i were [TS]

00:42:02   talking about this not too long ago is [TS]

00:42:04   the phrase about the Sirius cybernetics [TS]

00:42:06   corpse new traumatic machine which [TS]

00:42:09   produces a substance almost but not [TS]

00:42:11   quite entire [TS]

00:42:12   unlike t it in the related related a bit [TS]

00:42:15   with the machines that they make the [TS]

00:42:17   that the they have so many major design [TS]

00:42:20   flaws that once you overcome them you're [TS]

00:42:21   so overjoyed getting the thing to do [TS]

00:42:23   anything that you overlooked the minor [TS]

00:42:24   design flaws which is I think the [TS]

00:42:26   majority of products reviews seem to [TS]

00:42:28   fall into that category is for those who [TS]

00:42:31   just finished reading up on the games [TS]

00:42:33   one thing that can point to as well is [TS]

00:42:35   the year in the various links is an [TS]

00:42:38   hour-and-a-half session we have Steve [TS]

00:42:40   maretskiy who did who coded the [TS]

00:42:43   hitchhiker's game with Douglas and [TS]

00:42:45   Michael by water [TS]

00:42:46   who is he wrote parts of he wrote most [TS]

00:42:52   of bureaucracy [TS]

00:42:53   actually he was pulled into the [TS]

00:42:54   rightmost proxy instead of Douglas and [TS]

00:42:57   he also wrote big chunks off starship [TS]

00:42:59   titanic and the bump around it and [TS]

00:43:01   various other interactive fiction games [TS]

00:43:04   that have nothing to do with Douglas [TS]

00:43:05   there's a company called magnetic [TS]

00:43:07   Scrolls which did a back in kind of the [TS]

00:43:11   late eighties early nineties did a [TS]

00:43:13   number of very popular 16-bit adventure [TS]

00:43:15   games that have amazing graphics and use [TS]

00:43:17   some of that stuff and he's also most [TS]

00:43:20   famous connection is that he is the [TS]

00:43:22   person on whom the character of dirt [TS]

00:43:23   Gentiles base and he's so you've got [TS]

00:43:28   this and a half recording of the whole [TS]

00:43:29   thing and it's what because daughter [TS]

00:43:31   because michael is fantastic rack onto [TS]

00:43:33   her and they do a whole load of [TS]

00:43:35   reminiscing about infocomm especially [TS]

00:43:38   and so something like I have that link [TS]

00:43:41   for you and I think the show notes that [TS]

00:43:43   should be a lot of fun too and this is [TS]

00:43:46   why I think this is part of that [TS]

00:43:47   remarkable thing about the list is that [TS]

00:43:48   he I mean we've talked to us if we talk [TS]

00:43:51   a lot of the books and movies and [TS]

00:43:52   whatever it's like we're not even [TS]

00:43:53   talking about you that the in the video [TS]

00:43:55   games but also in text games he was such [TS]

00:43:58   an early computer user and he was so [TS]

00:43:59   pressing about he seemed to have the [TS]

00:44:02   user experience in my life he actually [TS]

00:44:03   understood what people might want to do [TS]

00:44:05   besides organized recipes in their [TS]

00:44:07   kitchen and I recall buying the very [TS]

00:44:09   first edition of Dirk Gently the [TS]

00:44:10   detective asian we came out I was [TS]

00:44:12   graphic design major in college I had [TS]

00:44:14   been a typesetter I've trained a [TS]

00:44:16   typesetter high school of you know I'm [TS]

00:44:17   not 90 years old but strangely have that [TS]

00:44:20   career and I got to gently detective [TS]

00:44:22   agency open it up and I'm like the [TS]

00:44:23   bastard typeset himself [TS]

00:44:25   if I could tell on the first page and [TS]

00:44:28   you read it and you know you read that [TS]

00:44:29   he was so phenomenally late with Dirk [TS]

00:44:32   Gently that he had to not just write the [TS]

00:44:35   book but set it and output on his [TS]

00:44:37   laserwriter and I think dashing across [TS]

00:44:38   town you know to get it to the printers [TS]

00:44:40   to get out and in later editions were [TS]

00:44:42   types of a little more superiorly but [TS]

00:44:44   but this that once backfired really [TS]

00:44:47   spectacularly in the book of the [TS]

00:44:50   novelization of start a panic which was [TS]

00:44:52   written by terry jones because [TS]

00:44:54   originally doctor said he didn't want to [TS]

00:44:56   write it and we tossed around like [TS]

00:44:58   people to write it and then doctor said [TS]

00:44:59   he didn't want to write it and then he [TS]

00:45:01   spent a whole year not writing it and [TS]

00:45:02   then it got to 3 weeks before the [TS]

00:45:05   deadline and i said yeah i can write it [TS]

00:45:08   and so we pulled in terry jones who [TS]

00:45:09   reportedly brought the entire book in [TS]

00:45:11   the nude because that's what he does and [TS]

00:45:13   you know he turned out a book in three [TS]

00:45:15   weeks and it's pretty good for a book [TS]

00:45:16   that was turned out in three weeks and [TS]

00:45:17   Douglas introduction and then sent the [TS]

00:45:21   file obviously remarkably laid off to [TS]

00:45:23   the printers and it comes out and look [TS]

00:45:24   at the introduction and it's got these [TS]

00:45:26   giants waves of white space and you [TS]

00:45:30   think is this some kind of you know [TS]

00:45:31   house of leaves style a poetry thing [TS]

00:45:35   going because they look fairly poetic [TS]

00:45:37   with these huge optics ways of white [TS]

00:45:38   space and no it's not it's just that the [TS]

00:45:40   typesetters didn't didn't load the file [TS]

00:45:43   correctly or some somehow it got [TS]

00:45:45   corrupted and the types was just going [TS]

00:45:47   out we thought you wanted it to look [TS]

00:45:48   like that so beautiful but I recall [TS]

00:45:51   stephen fry wrote something i think when [TS]

00:45:54   that was when they transcribe when he [TS]

00:45:55   came out he was something on this blog [TS]

00:45:57   about whenever new software came out he [TS]

00:45:59   would you know dash down the street [TS]

00:46:01   knock on the door and say hello to you [TS]

00:46:03   notice his wife and say can I can go [TS]

00:46:05   upstairs studies there run upstairs with [TS]

00:46:06   a floppy disk made plug it in and do the [TS]

00:46:09   latest thing you know that wouldn't [TS]

00:46:10   actually work and be frustrated with a [TS]

00:46:11   bang on the machine all day going to do [TS]

00:46:13   something but I i think it was kind of [TS]

00:46:15   extraordinary for an author in those [TS]

00:46:17   days and somebody who wasn't necessarily [TS]

00:46:19   technologist the what he understood [TS]

00:46:21   about was going on with technology how [TS]

00:46:23   people would use it in the future the [TS]

00:46:25   hyper landing a notable example hyper [TS]

00:46:28   you know a special about hypertext [TS]

00:46:30   essentially before anyone had really [TS]

00:46:32   most people put hands on a you know [TS]

00:46:34   sophisticated computer and personal [TS]

00:46:37   computers are out but they're mostly [TS]

00:46:38   doing sort of [TS]

00:46:39   boring things nothing quite like that [TS]

00:46:41   and nothing that interactive with other [TS]

00:46:43   people or information but you know [TS]

00:46:46   desktop publishing is early with [TS]

00:46:47   interactive fiction all these sorts of [TS]

00:46:49   things [TS]

00:46:50   no he was he was definitely not only in [TS]

00:46:53   technology enthusiast but but could [TS]

00:46:56   write just so well about in your your [TS]

00:46:59   your line earlier about his [TS]

00:47:02   understanding of the compromises that go [TS]

00:47:05   into technology products especially in [TS]

00:47:07   that he he took this he was incredibly [TS]

00:47:09   enthusiastic about them but also really [TS]

00:47:10   perceptive about the failings of them [TS]

00:47:13   and how they failed in spectacular and [TS]

00:47:15   absurd ways he wrote a bunch of columns [TS]

00:47:18   for various magazines in that period in [TS]

00:47:21   the eighties and nineties and and they [TS]

00:47:23   were always hilarious that which is not [TS]

00:47:25   surprising because this Douglas Adams [TS]

00:47:27   but they were hilarious also because he [TS]

00:47:29   was so knowledgeable he was clearly a [TS]

00:47:31   fan and he had this great enthusiasm and [TS]

00:47:34   and so could be critical in a way that [TS]

00:47:36   only a true fan can be and you know [TS]

00:47:39   that's one of the things that that I i [TS]

00:47:41   miss the most about about him being gone [TS]

00:47:44   is that I keep thinking about new [TS]

00:47:46   technologies and what he would say about [TS]

00:47:49   them and anion honestly will admit when [TS]

00:47:51   I held that held the ipad for the first [TS]

00:47:53   time and was looking things up on [TS]

00:47:55   Wikipedia or other things in the a.m on [TS]

00:47:58   a wireless connection on an ipad i [TS]

00:48:00   thought i was struck almost immediately [TS]

00:48:02   by the fact that i was in some ways [TS]

00:48:04   using the thing closest to the [TS]

00:48:06   hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy and it [TS]

00:48:08   had arrived and that Douglas Adams would [TS]

00:48:10   never get a chance to see it although he [TS]

00:48:12   did basically envision it himself [TS]

00:48:15   I think that having his science fiction [TS]

00:48:17   is good science fiction and it [TS]

00:48:20   independent of all the parity and [TS]

00:48:21   humorous aspects of it only one of the [TS]

00:48:23   reasons is because he's such a good [TS]

00:48:24   technologist hitchhiker's guide the book [TS]

00:48:27   is not not the novel the the device in [TS]

00:48:30   the story is a terrific science fiction [TS]

00:48:33   trope it serves a lot of fictional [TS]

00:48:35   purposes but you could see that existing [TS]

00:48:37   because hey here it is in front of me [TS]

00:48:39   Steve's talking on it and things like [TS]

00:48:41   that the infinite improbability drive is [TS]

00:48:44   a great science-fiction idea how it came [TS]

00:48:47   about I was just reading a book physics [TS]

00:48:50   book I talk about this on them on a [TS]

00:48:51   previous podcast [TS]

00:48:52   and it's all about parallel universes [TS]

00:48:54   and probabilities and high you know did [TS]

00:48:57   do when when two things can happen do [TS]

00:48:59   both things happen and create parallel [TS]

00:49:01   universes and as I'm reading through he [TS]

00:49:03   starts to talk about probability and [TS]

00:49:04   this crazy like cutting edge physics [TS]

00:49:07   above probability of multiple universes [TS]

00:49:08   and all of a sudden I realized it oh my [TS]

00:49:11   God he's talking about the infinite [TS]

00:49:13   improbability drive here it's amazing [TS]

00:49:16   it's one of the improbable infant [TS]

00:49:19   probability drive i think is my favorite [TS]

00:49:21   MacGuffin out of all the books and i [TS]

00:49:24   agree story because it's the way he cut [TS]

00:49:28   the famous story about how we can't came [TS]

00:49:30   up with it was that he had just because [TS]

00:49:33   he was making everything up as he went [TS]

00:49:34   along he had just thrown author and [TS]

00:49:36   forward out of open airlock to die in [TS]

00:49:39   the vacuum of space which was a great [TS]

00:49:41   idea part of the factory had no idea how [TS]

00:49:44   to rescue them and the trouble was he [TS]

00:49:46   came up with all these different ideas [TS]

00:49:47   and was defeated by the shearing [TS]

00:49:49   probability of them because that you [TS]

00:49:52   know space being besides it is can't [TS]

00:49:54   just have another spaceship magically [TS]

00:49:56   turn up you if you know that you is [TS]

00:49:58   brightly Douglas was smart enough about [TS]

00:50:00   space in the class i know this is just [TS]

00:50:02   impossible and so we got very depressed [TS]

00:50:03   about this and sat down to watch TV and [TS]

00:50:05   there was a program about judo on and [TS]

00:50:07   thing with judo the instructor explained [TS]

00:50:09   is that you use your opponent's weight [TS]

00:50:10   against them so if you have a sumo [TS]

00:50:12   wrestler after the other council members [TS]

00:50:13   are throwing themselves at you and you [TS]

00:50:15   trip them up in something the fact that [TS]

00:50:16   they weigh 300 pounds becomes their [TS]

00:50:18   problem not yours [TS]

00:50:19   and so you turn the problem against [TS]

00:50:22   itself and so he said I was in [TS]

00:50:23   probability is the problem therefore it [TS]

00:50:26   should be solution and so but you know [TS]

00:50:27   that that's the story around it but the [TS]

00:50:29   thing about it is the way but not just [TS]

00:50:31   as it served its purpose there but [TS]

00:50:33   continually throughout the various [TS]

00:50:34   stories in that suddenly it's one of the [TS]

00:50:38   things I love most about this is the [TS]

00:50:42   analogy of I've never any sort of [TS]

00:50:44   Douglas a sci-fi writer I think he's a [TS]

00:50:46   satirist who happens to be really good [TS]

00:50:48   at using set sci-fi to drive comfortable [TS]

00:50:50   with although all the mechanisms of [TS]

00:50:52   sci-fi mhm exactly exactly but that you [TS]

00:50:56   know you have this sci-fi universe I [TS]

00:50:57   fittings but at the heart of it SAT up [TS]

00:50:59   and the heart of gold is a spaceship [TS]

00:51:03   that looks like a normal space ship but [TS]

00:51:04   at the heart of it is something [TS]

00:51:06   completely ridiculous and it's this kind [TS]

00:51:10   of he has given himself ultimate license [TS]

00:51:14   in a way that you now only have with you [TS]

00:51:17   know that it's finally been explained [TS]

00:51:19   the TARDIS to have the ship take its [TS]

00:51:23   characters around into the most [TS]

00:51:25   ridiculous situations for the helmet [TS]

00:51:26   looks like it's patrick mcgoohan being [TS]

00:51:29   able to write the prisoner TV series [TS]

00:51:31   that is you know a skewering and a [TS]

00:51:33   satire and a deconstruction and [TS]

00:51:36   subversive version of his previous [TS]

00:51:37   series about a special in a secret agent [TS]

00:51:39   the same thing as Douglas Adams had to [TS]

00:51:41   work on Doctor Who in order to write [TS]

00:51:43   something so ridiculous that that we [TS]

00:51:48   could be could have access to all of the [TS]

00:51:50   tropes of science fiction but everyone [TS]

00:51:51   is familiar with and then turn them all [TS]

00:51:53   on their head and to say well you know [TS]

00:51:54   instead of being too Wiggly what I mean [TS]

00:51:56   no doctor who is actually become very [TS]

00:51:57   much more like a trucker's guide over [TS]

00:52:00   the years as a result i mean i think the [TS]

00:52:02   more modern series are sillier about [TS]

00:52:05   certain aspects of Technology [TS]

00:52:06   wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey thing as much [TS]

00:52:08   more diverse atoms that original Doctor [TS]

00:52:10   Who I wanted to learn to speak in a min [TS]

00:52:13   well speak positively about my favorite [TS]

00:52:17   thing that in the hitch-hiker serious [TS]

00:52:19   which is actually I know it's easy to do [TS]

00:52:21   this because we're we're doing a podcast [TS]

00:52:23   number 42 of the uncomfortable but the [TS]

00:52:25   story of the building of deep thought [TS]

00:52:27   you know it is it is brilliant in terms [TS]

00:52:32   of Technology it's brilliant in terms of [TS]

00:52:34   satire i would argue that if that was a [TS]

00:52:36   short story it would be legendary as a [TS]

00:52:39   short story because it is so funny and [TS]

00:52:43   so true and in some ways then I also one [TS]

00:52:48   of the things that i love about it and [TS]

00:52:50   maybe my favorite revelation and the [TS]

00:52:52   entire series is that much later there's [TS]

00:52:55   an even bigger punch line when it [TS]

00:52:57   discovers that this entire final [TS]

00:53:01   computer that will come after deep [TS]

00:53:03   thought has been messed up by the fact [TS]

00:53:06   that that that the humans have come to [TS]

00:53:08   the planet the the telephone sanitizers [TS]

00:53:11   and hairdressers and the punch line is [TS]

00:53:13   that the question that there they've [TS]

00:53:16   come up with 442 is what what is eight [TS]

00:53:19   times seven [TS]

00:53:20   if it's like I always remember something [TS]

00:53:23   fundamentally wrong aren't this says so [TS]

00:53:25   that hold the whole thing I mean and [TS]

00:53:27   there's a reason 42 has a residence that [TS]

00:53:29   story is so fantastic and it's so [TS]

00:53:31   crushing because it is a failure of [TS]

00:53:33   imagination of the people who build it [TS]

00:53:35   it's a failure of technology it's it's [TS]

00:53:38   just such a fantastic story so I just [TS]

00:53:40   wanted to to do some some drive-by [TS]

00:53:42   praise of it because it is it's easy to [TS]

00:53:45   it's easy to just take it for granted [TS]

00:53:46   and it is it is brilliant and [TS]

00:53:49   brilliantly I think realized given the [TS]

00:53:51   budget especially in the in the TV [TS]

00:53:54   series but it's just such a such a great [TS]

00:53:56   thing that building the greatest [TS]

00:53:57   computer ever and it gives you the [TS]

00:53:59   answer you want and it's completely [TS]

00:54:01   useless all it's also full of so many of [TS]

00:54:04   those great lines on your advocacy [TS]

00:54:05   probably not you know he might talk the [TS]

00:54:07   legs off a nocturnal make a donkey but [TS]

00:54:09   only I can make him get up and take a [TS]

00:54:10   walk later and just this you endless [TS]

00:54:12   series of little jokes and puns and the [TS]

00:54:14   Philosopher's we just thought we we [TS]

00:54:17   demand originally defined areas that's [TS]

00:54:19   Alan tonight and it's great [TS]

00:54:21   well I mean by location rates the [TS]

00:54:23   religious satire and and the flock [TS]

00:54:25   philosophical satire and the egg so [TS]

00:54:27   romantic i really just after all [TS]

00:54:29   together up just about the absurdity of [TS]

00:54:31   the whole thing and searching for this [TS]

00:54:33   kind of unanswerable the answer to the [TS]

00:54:36   unanswerable questions and I I [TS]

00:54:38   philosophically I really appreciate that [TS]

00:54:41   it is you know of course we're always [TS]

00:54:43   going to be questing for this but the [TS]

00:54:45   reality is it can't be answered or if it [TS]

00:54:48   is inserted we won't understand what the [TS]

00:54:49   answer is anyway i will point out one of [TS]

00:54:52   the the the superior things that movie [TS]

00:54:54   that is not on the books but it feels [TS]

00:54:56   very Douglas is the bit where there's [TS]

00:54:58   the point of view God is not the weapon [TS]

00:55:00   in the movie [TS]

00:55:01   yeah a fun and he had that kicking [TS]

00:55:03   around but many creations little records [TS]

00:55:05   usually story it's a familiar and so the [TS]

00:55:08   bit where they finally get it and and [TS]

00:55:10   trillion fires a father he says all [TS]

00:55:12   kinds of things that he grabs and fires [TS]

00:55:14   that her he says it didn't work and she [TS]

00:55:16   says of course that I'm a woman and I [TS]

00:55:18   just thought that was a person walks off [TS]

00:55:21   so perfect it's like I already know [TS]

00:55:23   everybody else feels thank you very much [TS]

00:55:25   i love my way i did want to mention [TS]

00:55:26   something else about the BBC series [TS]

00:55:28   which as I said I've just watched the [TS]

00:55:30   first time a few days ago [TS]

00:55:32   the TV's yes uh and and Jason you might [TS]

00:55:37   have actually missed this having viewed [TS]

00:55:38   on PBS but pretty early on in the second [TS]

00:55:41   episode they're going through the whole [TS]

00:55:42   long the whole long monologue about how [TS]

00:55:46   everybody on earth is unhappy and it's [TS]

00:55:48   sort of working up to the bit where the [TS]

00:55:49   woman in the cafe I in rickmansworth [TS]

00:55:52   suddenly realizes what it's all about [TS]

00:55:54   and then suddenly the planet is [TS]

00:55:55   demolished which I guess it's kind of a [TS]

00:55:57   nice little mirror story the whole deep [TS]

00:55:59   thought think but I was rather surprised [TS]

00:56:03   to find a cameo from douglas adams in [TS]

00:56:06   that in that episode and more more [TS]

00:56:09   specifically his naked bomb peers looks [TS]

00:56:15   like i was amused to see him looking [TS]

00:56:17   depressed and and holding a lot of cash [TS]

00:56:19   and then I was made I don't know [TS]

00:56:21   dismayed is the word i guess more amused [TS]

00:56:24   to see him turn away from the camera and [TS]

00:56:27   walk naked Lee into the sea you know his [TS]

00:56:31   his pale British cheeks flapping in the [TS]

00:56:34   breeze and India tell that moment I had [TS]

00:56:38   never really understood just exactly [TS]

00:56:40   what a critical piece of equipment towel [TS]

00:56:42   really is haha that joke about the woman [TS]

00:56:46   who figures it all out [TS]

00:56:48   it's like a fourth paragraph of the [TS]

00:56:49   first page of the first book is is that [TS]

00:56:51   right that's our first inkling that but [TS]

00:56:53   things aren't going to go where I can [TS]

00:56:55   never figure out where the monologue fit [TS]

00:56:57   because they move around depending on [TS]

00:56:58   which verse its yeah it is yeah it's [TS]

00:57:01   it's it's true i said on two previous [TS]

00:57:03   podcast now but just to restate i love [TS]

00:57:05   the fact that this is so funny and yet [TS]

00:57:07   so dark that he he has the bold stroke [TS]

00:57:10   of destroying planet Earth immediately [TS]

00:57:12   it's just you get another way and then [TS]

00:57:15   you can just move on [TS]

00:57:16   I like that he was trying to challenge [TS]

00:57:17   himself I mean you guys mentioned that [TS]

00:57:19   that he he rejects Arthur and forward [TS]

00:57:21   into space and doesn't know how to [TS]

00:57:23   resolve it [TS]

00:57:24   I I did feel like in some ways that was [TS]

00:57:26   a motivator for him to keep writing what [TS]

00:57:29   a ball plus you need cliffhangers for [TS]

00:57:31   the radio show but it's the idea is I'm [TS]

00:57:32   just going to do this and that will [TS]

00:57:34   force me to figure something else out so [TS]

00:57:36   i'm going to destroy the earth [TS]

00:57:37   I'm not gonna be able to go back there [TS]

00:57:39   I'm just gonna have to figure out what [TS]

00:57:41   i'm going to do next what a what a [TS]

00:57:43   marvelous comment on the man [TS]

00:57:45   and his attitude is that he has his [TS]

00:57:48   cameo you know as big a meal with i do [TS]

00:57:50   remembers and he uses it to show i do [TS]

00:57:52   remember the naked man do you remember [TS]

00:57:54   the naked man its i just did not [TS]

00:57:57   remember that it was Douglas Adams so [TS]

00:57:58   it's it's called not all of them [TS]

00:58:00   you also mentioned Terry Jones running [TS]

00:58:02   nude before and monty python's appears [TS]

00:58:04   nude playing the key the the organ not [TS]

00:58:09   his own Oregon battery in uh yeah what's [TS]

00:58:12   marked have one explicit at the opening [TS]

00:58:15   of Monty Python you don't sound as [TS]

00:58:16   walking nude into the ocean it's all [TS]

00:58:19   it's all plants resources with my [TS]

00:58:21   British people like and well you know [TS]

00:58:24   since your carrots over here and we're [TS]

00:58:26   all terribly repressed yea and amen amen [TS]

00:58:29   and everybody joyously throws their [TS]

00:58:32   clothes off and run into the ocean the [TS]

00:58:34   the other thing with the Explorer end of [TS]

00:58:38   the the the movie about the moment where [TS]

00:58:41   the earth is destroyed leaving out the [TS]

00:58:42   moment moment that the earth is [TS]

00:58:44   destroyed and you see everybody [TS]

00:58:46   panicking and screaming and then there's [TS]

00:58:48   a moment we see one ultimate sitting at [TS]

00:58:49   a café looking around and just paying [TS]

00:58:52   no attention at all and going back and [TS]

00:58:53   reading a paper that is the hallmark [TS]

00:58:55   that's it [TS]

00:58:57   yeah but they was the movie has loads of [TS]

00:59:00   these kind of bizarre things in it and [TS]

00:59:02   loads of references to talking to people [TS]

00:59:04   about it leading up to the movie's [TS]

00:59:05   release everybody was saying yo solo two [TS]

00:59:09   variations on I don't care what it's got [TS]

00:59:11   in the movie as long as it's got X if [TS]

00:59:13   your ex is in the movie then you [TS]

00:59:14   probably liked it and if it isn't then [TS]

00:59:16   you don't always thought I was [TS]

00:59:17   infuriated the beware of the leopard was [TS]

00:59:20   my actually it might be my very favorite [TS]

00:59:22   line okay is it all of the books but [TS]

00:59:24   remember what isn't I mean I know that [TS]

00:59:25   the light them mostly harmless line is [TS]

00:59:27   not in the final I think it's in the [TS]

00:59:29   deleted seems most of the rest of it is [TS]

00:59:32   there's no not again is in the movie [TS]

00:59:36   yes what yes and Bill Bailey Turner's as [TS]

00:59:39   the while which is wonderful it's [TS]

00:59:41   critical that i was one of the greatest [TS]

00:59:42   it's one of its part of that crazy [TS]

00:59:44   things like what happens to the missiles [TS]

00:59:45   oh well they're turned into a giant [TS]

00:59:47   whale and our part 2 engines course [TS]

00:59:50   oh no not again the part of petunias [TS]

00:59:52   thanks to itself [TS]

00:59:54   well I think this brings us to the end [TS]

00:59:56   of another mighty mighty via comparable [TS]

00:59:59   but [TS]

00:59:59   but [TS]

01:00:00   no not again I believe Oh before his [TS]

01:00:03   podcast will repeat in that bbc3 before [TS]

01:00:07   we close our I i mean i discovered [TS]

01:00:12   douglas adams a long time ago and I got [TS]

01:00:14   to meet him once very briefly at a book [TS]

01:00:15   signing where I was a grinning at I [TS]

01:00:17   remember the day that the news broke [TS]

01:00:20   that he had died and I was actually [TS]

01:00:22   heartbroken I mean I had I'd read [TS]

01:00:27   everything he's ever written [TS]

01:00:29   you know I've listened to it in every [TS]

01:00:30   and watching every media I can [TS]

01:00:32   he's had this enormous influence on who [TS]

01:00:36   I have become who i want to become how I [TS]

01:00:39   want to write and and how I want to be [TS]

01:00:41   funny and what defines my personality [TS]

01:00:45   and and how I communicate with my [TS]

01:00:47   friends even and then he was dead and I [TS]

01:00:54   couldn't have the BBC was very annoyed [TS]

01:00:57   I'm he was was he late on delivering [TS]

01:01:00   something at that point is certainly [TS]

01:01:02   worth it was but now it was actually [TS]

01:01:05   because that when they made the deal to [TS]

01:01:07   buy h2g2 off the digital village which [TS]

01:01:10   was you know basically had run out of [TS]

01:01:12   money they also got a deal that Douglas [TS]

01:01:15   to do several series for them on [TS]

01:01:17   something and then suppose it'll get out [TS]

01:01:19   of writing one time later early he's [TS]

01:01:24   still working on things I remember that [TS]

01:01:26   day to very clearly my boss at the time [TS]

01:01:29   was a huge Douglas Evans family and had [TS]

01:01:31   I think edited a couple of his things [TS]

01:01:33   for various técnicas means and it was [TS]

01:01:37   very sad [TS]

01:01:38   in the intervening 10 years and it has [TS]

01:01:40   been 10 years now what comforts me is [TS]

01:01:44   just the fact that after 10 years I feel [TS]

01:01:46   like after he died people were able to [TS]

01:01:50   reflect a little bit about what his work [TS]

01:01:54   was and you know I feel now 10 years on [TS]

01:01:58   like the hitchhiker's guide to the [TS]

01:01:59   galaxy in some form is going to be it's [TS]

01:02:03   part of what the plastic and be regarded [TS]

01:02:05   as a classic for a long time to come and [TS]

01:02:08   not just sort of the silly comedy thing [TS]

01:02:10   that happened in the nineteen eighties [TS]

01:02:12   and that really warms my heart to think [TS]

01:02:15   that because he deserves it because it [TS]

01:02:16   is it is of it is a one-of-a-kind and it [TS]

01:02:20   is brimming with ideas and is fall down [TS]

01:02:23   funny and so that's that's great i'm not [TS]

01:02:27   sure i have an omnibus of all the books [TS]

01:02:28   I sort of feel like perhaps the cooler [TS]

01:02:31   heads will prevail and maybe constrain [TS]

01:02:34   it to the first three but uh huh [TS]

01:02:36   in terms of the cannon but some amazing [TS]

01:02:39   stuff and I so that makes me feel better [TS]

01:02:40   about it at ten years on is that I think [TS]

01:02:42   he's going to be remembered and [TS]

01:02:44   appreciated for a long time to come [TS]

01:02:46   her that there was i do remember i mean [TS]

01:02:51   the the night i found out that Douglas [TS]

01:02:55   died it was it was on a Friday night and [TS]

01:02:57   um a couple of TV colleagues drover arm [TS]

01:03:02   in tears and we've basically suspend the [TS]

01:03:05   evening sitting and reminiscing about [TS]

01:03:06   him and only these two my continued [TS]

01:03:10   regret that I didn't actually spend that [TS]

01:03:12   much time with him when he was alive not [TS]

01:03:15   after he's dead [TS]

01:03:16   yeah we never hang out all the time over [TS]

01:03:19   to her boss rush up [TS]

01:03:22   it's a heat gun was surprised when [TS]

01:03:24   atheists they have the it was but it is [TS]

01:03:28   that i can't remember which if you were [TS]

01:03:31   saying sorry we're saying it but that [TS]

01:03:33   the whole thing every time there is an [TS]

01:03:36   amazing new device especially from Apple [TS]

01:03:37   you know the iphone and the ipad and [TS]

01:03:40   look at it and just go just this this [TS]

01:03:42   desperate wish that Douglas was around [TS]

01:03:44   here and there was some there was Shawn [TS]

01:03:48   who I mentioned earlier on so like a [TS]

01:03:49   colleague a TV has was actually came [TS]

01:03:51   over friday night arm tweeted the other [TS]

01:03:54   day on the anniversary of his death [TS]

01:03:55   wondering what does sort of thought of [TS]

01:03:58   Twitter thinking that Douglas probably [TS]

01:04:00   would have loved it and anybody actually [TS]

01:04:03   trying to get into some work would have [TS]

01:04:04   hated it [TS]

01:04:05   it's funny because that the one place [TS]

01:04:07   that I was thinking where the we're [TS]

01:04:11   learning from douglas adams about how to [TS]

01:04:13   just perfectly structure a comedy bit [TS]

01:04:15   into the smallest get it [TS]

01:04:18   the one place where that's actually [TS]

01:04:19   helped is on Twitter we only have a [TS]

01:04:22   hundred and forty days and you have to [TS]

01:04:23   make every character count [TS]

01:04:25   it's dogs perfect medium you know he was [TS]

01:04:29   one of the things that he was so good at [TS]

01:04:31   was compressing an idea right down to [TS]

01:04:34   two a key senses something that was the [TS]

01:04:38   Apple actually took one of his lines and [TS]

01:04:41   used it a new advertising campaign [TS]

01:04:43   coming up to the 2,000 talking and [TS]

01:04:47   shouting about how a mac OS was was [TS]

01:04:51   fully y2k compliant they used to quote [TS]

01:04:53   from Douglas which was something lines [TS]

01:04:55   of year there's not a lot we know about [TS]

01:04:57   the future but we should have guessed [TS]

01:04:58   the century was going to end the memory [TS]

01:05:02   was scarce and programmers cursory well [TS]

01:05:07   I think we have to reduce to close [TS]

01:05:08   gentleman will lift a lift virtual toast [TS]

01:05:10   to the memory of douglas adams a great [TS]

01:05:13   man and all people i always say there's [TS]

01:05:15   an atheist because I would like him to [TS]

01:05:17   be in heaven right now that's a that's [TS]

01:05:19   the the don't that's an Irish toast [TS]

01:05:21   reverse I think it's a reverse Irish [TS]

01:05:23   toast that will do the reverse polish [TS]

01:05:26   notation the next episode [TS]

01:05:27   thank you very much gentlemen Greg NOS [TS]

01:05:30   thank you for being on this bike and [TS]

01:05:31   thank you glenn Steve let's thank you [TS]

01:05:33   for springtime from your undisclosed [TS]

01:05:35   location in a hotel using an iPad over [TS]

01:05:38   Wi-Fi and skype and I've been Angeles [TS]

01:05:41   for the last 40 minute to respond to the [TS]

01:05:44   library and in honor again of a douglas [TS]

01:05:47   adams getting taste and smell thank you [TS]

01:05:50   for joining us and thank you for having [TS]

01:05:52   me well hosted sir thank you and yes [TS]

01:05:54   thank you for being our special guest [TS]

01:05:56   tonight [TS]

01:05:57   thank you so much for inviting me and [TS]

01:05:58   put out with my relentless rounding this [TS]

01:06:01   is the nature of this podcast that you [TS]

01:06:03   felt right at me so thank you all when [TS]

01:06:06   placement signing off for our episode 42 [TS]

01:06:10   of the couple podcast back [TS]

01:06:12   thank you [TS]

01:06:21   [Music] [TS]