The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable part number 42 lately [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► I'm going fleischmann hosting this week [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► in for Jason Snell who is also here [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► hello we're talking this week this is [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► episode 42 and for the one person in a [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► million who could possibly be listening [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► to this podcast we hope to have a [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► million listeners someday who does not [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► know what 42 is it's all about douglas [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► adams this is the douglas adams podcast [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► may be the first in a series of [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► divisible by 42 podcast that we do over [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► our lifetimes about douglas adams it was [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► recently Towel Day a day establish to [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► celebrate his life and career and in [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► that honor and because it's episode 42 [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► we have a cast of characters drawn from [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► across the spectrum of well not that [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► much of the spectrum i guess but it is [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► across something I welcome Jason smell [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► than usual host of the incomparable i [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► will BRB red end of the spectrum tonight [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► the ready or the red and Steve lots from [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► an undisclosed location talking on an [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► iPad hello Steve [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► I was just thinking how much douglas [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► adams probably would have enjoyed [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► knowing that I sitting in a hotel on a [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► wireless device that sitting in my lap [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► playing his his interactive fiction and [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► and podcasting while on the loo [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► he's multitasking and Greg now stay [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► anglin that's nice with the k yes it is [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► and our special guest tonight your house [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► Graham guys hello hello [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► jaws is a he's our special guest because [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► he's special person guys involved with [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► interactive best design and community [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► building but he also worked on the [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► website for starship titanic which is [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► how i met him because you guys create [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► interesting things that compel people to [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► go down rabbit holes and never return if [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► that's an accurate description of your [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► work that that side generally basic just [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► pick off small quantities of the [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► population and steal them away and [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► eventually I will have them all as my [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► believe that's a doctor who episode [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► maybe we'll come back to that it [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► probably is probably several doctors and [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► I should also point out you guys work [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► with the h2g2 dot com site the triggers [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► going to go yeah I did [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► aight i was on hgtv.com i worked on [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► douglas adams calm and later on our [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► leaving I still got involved with I was [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► partially involved with the movie and [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► things to do kind of with with one of [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► the games and various and I'm still part [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► of that one drowns they get the [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► education it gets together and recall [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► once they get their hooks into you and [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► never let go you can never leave in this [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► community exactly except location we get [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► pulled into random other things a whole [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► bunch of X TV people got pulled in to [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► help out with the first season of the IT [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► crowd which we therefore perfect sense [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► yeah so and in fact Sean saleh who was [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► who was one of the main TV techies and [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► TV being the digital village the company [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► which Douglas was creative director is [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► the main geek on set at for the IT crowd [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► full series of the 90s and marvelous [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► pictures and flicker of the set design [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► that he did for that with the the amount [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► of stuff he kept in his basement and [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► people laughed at him until the show [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► premiered and it was all unleashed the [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► television exactly and this in season [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► one there's god we got this there's like [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► my father-in-law's commodore pet has [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► priced quite a place on the season one [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► set it to 0 I i love that i had a [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► commodore pet when I was a kid but [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► that's the really old model it's the [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► like metal keep tiny metal keyboard [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► model know that now yeah [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► IT crowd episode made maybe you can so [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► that Commodore 64 week well I've got a [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► transition to pet the Pet Sounds one of [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► his first computers used was a Commodore [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► bet apparently according to his [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► biography I it is now his biography use [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► the Macintosh later but so Douglas Adams [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► douglas adams is an unwieldy person to [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► talk about not just because he was over [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► six feet tall and spindly not just [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► because he was interested in everything [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► but the man my god every time I look at [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► douglas adams I think I know what he [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► actually did with his life he died at a [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► young age cited 49 and i always think [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► about that Tom layer quote about Mozart [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► toddler was no cup singing music in the [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► nineteen fifties and he had this line [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► when he was about 35 he said it is [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► sobering thought that when Mozart was my [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► age he had been dead for two years and I [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► think that about douglas adams now he's [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► got six years only when he died but i [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► think if i could do a fraction with and [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► he wrote for doctor who he was worked [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► with graham Khaleesi [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► was appeared Monty Python he [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► collaborated with musicians he was [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► stephen Fry's very good friends early [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► macintosh user he did a documentary [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► about hypertext in 1990 you know and [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► that's in addition to what he's of [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► course best known for The Hitchhiker's [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► Guide to the galaxy squad rolla gee [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► Quinn ecology which is actually a [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► trilogy so I thought it might be fun to [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► start with you know what the thing is [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► out of all that what do you mean we're [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► all here because douglas adams [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► influenced our lives we remember him [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► fondly as work and you know what do you [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► remember [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► that's what influenced you most Steve [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► why don't you start to know you said [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► that an email that Douglas is a great [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► influence on on what you've done with [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► your life [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► well I haven't really done so much work [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► because an influence [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► yeah actually uh originally heard about [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► hitchhiker's guide because i was into [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► interactive fiction and I was big [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► infocomm fan back in the eighties and i [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► had never heard of it [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► strikers guy who can run across the [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► state maretskiy douglas adams check your [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► guide to the galaxy all text adventure [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► back in nineteen eighty-four when it [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► came out in one of the catalogs so I [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► gave it a go and immediately fell in [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► love with his prose just there's [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► something so marvelous about the way it [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► construct sentences these gloriously [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► complex compound almost ridiculously so [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► you're just always teetering on the [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► brink of run-on sentences and it was at [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► that point that as somebody who was [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► always interested in humor and comedy [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► that I realized just how important [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► sentence structure is 22 actual humor [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► and and the fact that so much of of the [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► payoff for the punch line is the [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► build-up and he really was a master of [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► that and so after playing through the [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► games I i picked up the books and and [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► you know was hooked from page one of the [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► first book and he up i have done some [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► humor writing [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► yeah some of that you know could be [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► described as humor i suppose and and [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► I've never forgot those lessons but you [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► know i guess in some ways i would say [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► that those lessons have in fact been [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► what caused me to to write less than I [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► probably should because I [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► become such a stickler for things like [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► word choice and sentence structure that [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► that I find myself so wrapped around the [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► axle trying to put together the perfect [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► sentence with just the right temperature [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► and just the right rhythm that I never [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► finished damn Eric well the good thing [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► is to know that that Douglas Adams also [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► apparently agonized over everything so [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► it's it's some relief you know this the [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► people who write prose a sit-down irate [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► 3,000 words in a couple hours it's and [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► that's what goes in the book and then [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► there's people who agonized to make it [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► just right and just perfect and I [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► sympathize with that much more it's like [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► you know that the quote that doctors had [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► about right that saying that writing [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► comedy is easy you just take a blank [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► piece of paper and then stare at it [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► until your forehead that is excellent [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► Greg what about you what's your Douglas [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► at once your douglas adams special man [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► well I was a young boy and I was home [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► sick from school and my mom was tired of [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► me just moaning quietly to myself and so [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► she went to the library and she just [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► pick something and she picked us she [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► picked something off the shelf at random [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► and it turned out it was the third [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► hitchhiker book and she brought home to [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► me and she dropped in my lap and she [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► said shut your pie hole and read and I [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► read and it made no sense at all because [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► it starts off with Arthur on prehistoric [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► earth and I I picked the story of [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► literally two-thirds of the way through [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► and I was absolutely blown away it I i [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► read it all that day and then I read the [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► whole book and then i read it again the [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► next day and there are a couple of [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► points where my life feels like it [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► pivots when I was young and that [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► afternoon reading that book totally [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► changed the way I approached writing and [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► comedy and really what was possible when [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► you start putting words together [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► Steve talked about the sentence [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► structure what struck me was his gift [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► for metaphor and simile and how [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► something that's so pedestrian is [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► comparing one thing to another thing can [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► be made brand-new if you do it the right [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► way i mean the the classic example from [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► the beginning of the first book is the [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► Vogon ship hovers in the air much the [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► way a brick does not [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► which it its it's perfect in so many [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► ways and it's hilarious and I ape [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► douglas adams for roughly the next 15 [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► years trying to produce something a 10th [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► is good and I don't think I've ever [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► really succeeded but my favorite parts [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► of writing are coming up with just the [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► right metaphor to describe something in [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► a way that people wouldn't have [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► anticipated so it's funny at the same [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► time I had that moment recently when i [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► was reading something for the Economist [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► letterpress and my editor changed that [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► my description of letterpress paper you [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► know hitting including paper like not [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► like a a French kiss but like a nobody [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► supposed to be a light touch like a a [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► brush on the side of the cheeky change [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► french-kiss to snog and I was so very [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► very happy for that word choice that I [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► think the analogy work much better yards [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► now you knew douglas adams you work with [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► him a bit and and so your memories your [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► memories of those atoms are actual [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► memories of douglas adams yes yes in [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► fact douglas adams my father sorry i was [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► just very special incomparables yeah it [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► was it was always wanted [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► well it was my mother who introduced me [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► to hitch hikers she was something about [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► sci-fi fan and she was listening to the [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► radio a story that starts that way is [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► very differently so it's where radio [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► three such you [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► yes home [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► yeah and and to be on well it she what [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► she did she bought the she takes on the [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► radio series but my first instruction [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► was one of the lesser-known versions of [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► the cannon which is the LPS oh yes that [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► there were recorded vinyl LPs which are [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► not the radio series they are a whole [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► new recording but with the same i think [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► an almost identical cast and they were [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► recorded shortly after the radio they [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► were recorded the head unfit herbs I [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► mean they went because douglas adams [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► they went to exactly the full-length [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► that was possible [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► I'll be recording technology if i recall [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► practically down to the second yes yes [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► exactly exactly and they went so long [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► that some of them the the needle keeps [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► coming off games references for that [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► thing finished but the whole the [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► continual joke about actually was [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► officers upper arm are ya was what are [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► the Bruce was one of the bruises on yes [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► yes [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► right exactly um so uh and then I listen [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► listen to that there was a hitchhiker's [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► double LP and there was a restaurant the [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► interviews first single LP and I think [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► the single player is the first place [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► where the handles get replaced by hop [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► like crazy otto and disaster area [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► I think but um sorry now Madison now I [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► must be really arguing i'm gonna argue [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► is yes but I also listen to some of the [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► radio series which scared the shit out [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► of me because the audio production is so [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► good they serve some bit especially [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► later on in the second series like when [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► Marvin is stuck down this massive shaft [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► that has been formed by him plummeting [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► into the surface of the planet which [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► have a planet the bird planet and also [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► afford and say for coming along this [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► starliner that's been waiting for moist [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► lemon soap paper napkins are several [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► millennia and the audio is so terrifying [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► you know and so used to stand i was only [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► like seven or eight years old my stand [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► at the edge of the room just so i could [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► not run out of the bottle scary and so [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► you read the books and I yeah I loved [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► most TV series i loved that I think my [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► favorite novelist up gently overall but [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► also have a great fondness for a last [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► chance to see and then in a 97 I was 96 [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► 96 when i graduated from computer [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► science university college london and i [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► saw on Sunday morning program dollars [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► are being interviewed by somebody and he [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► was mentioned his new his new company [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► the digital village that was going to [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► internet stuff and went and wandering [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► around college one day shortly after I [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► graduated I bumped into somebody called [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► andreas who was who are nice like we're [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► thinking going on at all it's [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► interesting i have [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► that the company traditional village and [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► he said oh yeah i'm setting up network [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► and so he introduced me to the CTO rich [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► terrace and then with the traditionally [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► glacial speed we had hiring people for [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► me a six months later I was I was [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► disabilities first dedicated web tacky I [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► was the backend makes your code number [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► on and i worked on the cipher starship [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► titanic after the very first thing i did [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► was a mini site which is still up and i [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► can tell during World time this [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► conversation is going to be continued [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► referencing things that we need to then [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► publishes URL and something shown a [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► little risk there's those are ovulation [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► all get closer as many URLs as possible [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► to be the show notes later around our [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► website excellent arm so let's go off in [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► front of Jason I'm trying to live up to [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► that's right um so yeah we did a little [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► cuz the radio forward was expecting bits [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► of last chance to say and we did a [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► little mini site for with it [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► that was the first thing I just like [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► HTML friends in 97 yeah and we we [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► realized our hang on a minute the last [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► chance to see a multimedia cd-rom [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► because that was one of the first one [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► that was one of the early you know big [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► early nineties cd-rom productions where [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► they just let's just throw everything on [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► the cd-rom loaded graphics loads of [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► everything and his company called [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► Voyager did it and then we said okay [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► who's got one does didn't nobody else [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► had we found one mail order company in [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► virginia that had it and we got it [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► shipped over so that the graphics off [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► except it turns out that the company [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► that made it [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► I now found many years later one per [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► cycle Kevin marks who was like things [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► are unremarkably empower i'm looking at [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► him and when are right now [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► tweet them just by exactly Kevin and I [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► have weirdly intersected in loads of [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► ways that we've only just realized in [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► each other's careers and one of the ways [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► that we've inspected is that he worked [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► on that CD rom and had and was living in [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► London the time so if we didn't know [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► about it we could have just popped [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► across London to get a copy but so and [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► he also worked played with my morning [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► presence server that [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► I'm yes but so did various things that [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► such a platonic website and the bizarre [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► way we put the novel online which was [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► entirely in alphabetical order [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► we did the doctors com site we did h2g2 [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► that this was much more involved in [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► starship titanic then he wasn't a stupid [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► shit actually parked there for a second [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► we're talking before the absolute before [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► the show started it should do this is [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► the easy 2.com which is now the BBC [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► still own it or these sell it now so [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► it's interesting that this is actually [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► still under negotiation because i was [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► there too and shutting it down because [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► they could save some massive sum of a [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► hundred pounds or something by not [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► operating any further [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► ya hu this was this was a wikipedia [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► before there's wikipedia essentially was [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► a mass off kind of uh alright but it was [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► it was a massive depository of [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► information kind of a hitchhiker's guide [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► style or conceit but it was real [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► information had a but you could have [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► people could edit people could [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► contribute it was less than anything [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► much that was a pocket full or at least [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► wildly inaccurate it contained much [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► certainly a launch time it contained [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► much that was people doing really bad [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► dog impressions you know this is the [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► thing that happened what one thing I [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► found is that any time you put up a [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► community related to douglas in some way [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► to get swamped because there's this [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► massive myth that that it's a very that [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► Douglas humor is a very cold thing it's [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► a very specific thing and this thing and [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► if you if you like it then you want a [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► very select type and you'll meet people [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► of your kind and of course it's bollocks [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► Douglas humor in the whole reason so [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► successful is very Universal and trust [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► me up been exposed to enough fans of [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► Douglas work but that there really isn't [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► that much in common with the whole world [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► it's funny we can talk about that when I [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► was interviewing for an article someone [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► to go is there that that's what is great [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► great things you think you're in a tiny [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► club that's like five other nurturing [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► you and you have found this remarkable [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► special thing and it turns out there are [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► a hundred million people in that Club [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► you just don't see them all the same [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► time completely and it's also because [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► when we'll be talking about the most [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► even and great for mentioning about [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► aspects of Douglass's writing techniques [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► that they really loved one of the things [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► that it was really brought home to me [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► when seeing people do bad bugs [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► impression [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► is that a lot a lot of ducks writing [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► especially for saying can be lots of [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► run-on sentences and really quite [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► convoluted things but a lot of it is [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► also incredibly concise the impact of a [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► lot of one of his best jokes comes from [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► incredible conciseness and this is [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► something that people get massively [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► wrong they think of it maybe they hear [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► Peter Jones voice in their head and they [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► go [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► these wild run on convoluted sentences [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► and they just die on the vine so badly [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► having and you know dr. skill was either [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► in you know anything down so tightly to [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► have maximum impact or in possibly even [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► harder being able to maintain a run-on [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► sentence while maintaining your interest [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► and still making it fine you know [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► anything it's that he has that he has a [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► style that it makes people think that [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► he's doing something different is [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► because he's so quotable and you can the [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► the credibility of it makes it seem a [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► lot more trivial but that he's doing he [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► sort of being silly with language and he [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► actually is something that you said [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► about what we're talking about is his [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► sentence structure really resonates with [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► me because I think that you missed the [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► point if you think i can write a run-on [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► sentence and have it be this crazy kind [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► of discursive sentence and throw a bunch [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► of wacky things and will be funny when [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► in fact a guy and I think this is why he [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► struggled so much to write at a at a [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► decent pace is because those sentences [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► that he wrote were constructed very [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► particularly so that every clause that [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► got added had a particular comedic [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► effect and this is what Steve was saying [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► that it was about a piling on it what [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► you thought it was about a and now you [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► think it's about be and even with [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► something like the spaceships hanging in [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► the way in the air the way a brick [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► doesn't you know every word of that is [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► crafted so that the meaning can change [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► on the last word in the sentence right [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► and that that's that was the power of [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► his style and I think it's so easy for [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► people who are trying to ape it too just [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► to miss it to miss the fact that there's [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► so much that goes into that structure [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► it's not just a rambling run on its very [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► specific [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► you know you can tell that he agonized [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► over those sentences if you if you look [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► at employees there's one of one of my [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► favorite [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► yeah but one of the lines of thinking [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► one of my favorite lines from older [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► books is actually from from mostly [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► harmless when he's describing New York [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► in the fall when they saying that the s [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► males like someone's been frying coats [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► in it and the only way to breathe is to [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► open the window and stick your head in [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► the building which is just if you want [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► that the perfect you know example of [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► like the punchline but completely flips [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► it is ground you cheat Jason that you [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► haven't had a chance to talk about your [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► what what led you to the cult of mr. [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► Adams I actually think the way work for [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► me was was similarly backward to some of [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► the other ways although I not as [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► backward as reading the third book or [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► reading or doing the hypertext infocomm [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► game i saw i thought i came to her [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► backwards in terms of like maybe just [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► came to it sideways my local PBS station [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► when I was growing up ran doctor who on [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► saturday nights and and that's where i [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► watch the you know the tom baker and [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► peter davison years Doctor Who weren't [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► you out on saturday night IE in in high [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► school and parties with other people i [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► know i was watching Doctor Who what are [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► you talking about and the list two [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► things are our I which came first the [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► chicken or the egg before doctor who won [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► one night there was this other british [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► sci-fi show and it turned out it was the [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy TV [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► adaptation from the early eighties so i [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► watch that and I recorded that on a VHS [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► tape and I must watch that thing I don't [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► know how many times over and over again [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► because it was so unlike anything I've [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► ever seen before and um and I actually i [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► was i think i was like in 8th grade or a [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► freshman in high school and I i took a [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► speech class in high school and we had [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► to memorize a dialogue and i ended up [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► memorizing the dialogue between Arthur [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► debt and mr. Prosser as Arthur is laying [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► in the in the mud between the bulldozer [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► and his house having an entire [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► conversation about how he's not going to [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► go up that leads eventually to him 22 [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► Ford convincing him to mr. Prosser lay [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► down in the mud [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► and I can still I think at times recite [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► that from memory so that's how I that's [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► how I discovered it and so it was that [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► it was the dialogue which was really you [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► know very representative as it turns out [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► that struck me about it in the crazy [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► ideas and so from there I went to the [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► books and also discovered at that point [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► that he was about that same time that [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► his episodes his season of doctor who [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► was on and he wrote a couple episodes of [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► that so I remember seeing the episode [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► the pirate planet which is really [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► ridiculous and it turns out the episode [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► that i really like from that season was [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► called the city of death which has got [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► Leonardo DaVinci any pot paints multiple [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► Mona Lisa's so they could be taken and [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► chickens and a yes that's true plan it [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► is true it's not a camera not a key [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► point but it is there but the idea that [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► that can pop your time-travel one of the [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► things you might do is go back in time [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► and convince Leonardo DaVinci to pet [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► paint 647 model places so that you can [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► sell them all but that doesn't work if [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► the Mona Lisa's still hanging in the [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► Louvre so what you need to do is also [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► then steal the real Mona Lisa or one of [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► the many Mona Lisa's then you can sell [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► all of them and this is the plot of that [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► episode it was by a guy named David [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► Agnew but it turns out that was a [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► pseudonym because he wrote it basically [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► he he rewrote parts of it from an [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► earlier screenplay and that's one of the [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► best original you know classic Doctor [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► Who episodes and then watch that we sing [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► and then I am for years just read Julian [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► Glover is in that it is a wacky wacky [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► episode and then only later did I [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► discovered that there was also an [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► unfinished douglas adams an episode of [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► doctor who called sada which it's funny [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► because by the time I saw they actually [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► have done a kind of a reconstruction [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► parts of the location footage was never [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► shot because of a BBC strike my [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► understanding is actually coming out in [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► the DVD next year or later this year [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► oh wow but with some bridging material [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► and some redone special-effects trying [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► to make it as complete as they can [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► without that missing footage but the [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► funny they today right so they're doing [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► the DVD and presumably expanding it [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► further and there's actually an audio [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► adaptation that they did Big Finish did [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► starring paul mcgann that's very funny I [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► mean that's sort of the pure a complete [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► douglas adams script but the funniest [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► thing about it to me is that [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► and when i read Dirk Gently holistic [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► detective agency i discovered that [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► Douglas Adams not wanting to leave that [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► unfinished episode just sort of sitting [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► there at once since it was perfectly [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► good recycle large portions of it in the [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► novel yeah [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► Dirk Gently and city city o def and that [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► as well there's elements of both frame [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► right so so basically i got into douglas [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► adams from seeing these TV adaptations [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► and then went back from there to the [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► books and only in the last couple of [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► years that I really realized i had never [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► heard the radio plays and those are [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► fantastic but hey i'm out i'm a late [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► comer to those which is ironic since [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► those rubber the originals [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► maybe the the TV adaptations are [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► available for streaming on that they are [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► oh and in fact I've just been watching [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► the first three or four of them I as [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► prep for this podcast and so you think [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► for the whole story you know that wow [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► there's already another fascinating you [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► know that they did actually show some of [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► the shark material in another doctor in [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► the in the anniversary special and Tom [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► Baker didn't want to go in they pulled [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► the scene out of it and write slapped in [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► there right in that the lysol yes yes [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► Tom Baker is the only one of the five [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► boxes and do you know why he doesn't [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► appear he refused to do and he refused [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► to do it because he was still really [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► pissed off a doctor who at the concept [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► of doctor who party because i think is [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► getting typecast but mostly because it [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► had an unhappy love affair specifically [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► with lot of wars who was that he'd [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► married romana la reward and they've [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► been married for like 16 months and then [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► they split up and he was really [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► heartbroken about it and he didn't want [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► to do any more doctor who until much [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► later when he finally got back into it [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► loll award who ended up married to [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► Richard introduced by Douglas Adams [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► introduced bipartisan group yes all go [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► back to Douglas out solutions [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► here's the funny thing i i'm i'm sooo [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► myself for last I actually picked up the [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► first the hitchhiker's guide book the [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► original one in junior high and that's [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► the first exposure to douglas adams and [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► I fell in love in the first page so i [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► have this extremely boring story i saved [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► it for last [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► i started at the beginning it's really [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► weird i know what is wrong with you [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► that's what it's looking like an [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► technically listen to the radio show on [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► the BBC would be right it's true start [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► but and i'm sure i remember coming [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► back to remember reading the books and [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► then hearing 30 shows had come out and I [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► think I listened to some of the original [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► shows but not much either LLP's as well [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► but the American releases which I [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► believe are somewhat different think i [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► have the British releases of the of the [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► LPS and thinking was sort of fun but you [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► know I didn't quite capture what the joy [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► the radio once were and then I later [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► read the radio plays I've heard some of [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► the radio adaptations are the original [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► sin like all those were much more fun [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► and they were crazy when i was reading [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► the real game and wrote the first [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► version of the don't panic [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► biography which i recommend i think it's [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► had guys you never talk about this like [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► four major overhauls over 20 hours and [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► each of them in it was great as if you [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► read the book i read i just read the [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► latest version of it which is just a few [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► years old and there are four levels of [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► footnotes where do game in the human [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► state will say something in some more [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► comments become Talmudic with all the [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► while he was the apocryphal other detail [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► around off its nobody's allowed to raise [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► the previous well thank you overhaul [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► original native ads and stuff but it's [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► it's really fun but you get from reading [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► those we all know we've talked about [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► already this episode and douglas adams [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► was had legendary inability to meet [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► deadlines what's everyone knows the [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► quoted some i love the sound of [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► deadlines especially as they go whizzing [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► past me is a that right [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► whooshing noises like yeah so so in when [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► he's doing radio plays I mean he would [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► be literally I believe in a control room [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► somewhere right in the dialogue that was [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► about to be recorded as the actors are [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► speaking the previous lines that were [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► just written just about and monumentally [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► monumentally late so explain some of the [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► craziness and the original research [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► shows these always fixing and every time [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► you have the opportunity to do a new [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► edition of hitchhikers guide or do some [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► revision he always made changes you [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► always try to improve on it and refine [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► that the core ideas and take out the [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► things he thought were sloppy or loser [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► or hazardous and so it triggers guide if [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► you read different editions of any of [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► her different things it changed over the [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► years to until it reaches sort of i [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► think a definitive edition i just got [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► this crazy thing is illustrated [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► Hitchhiker's Guide yeah yeah like a [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► moment's notice [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► yeah it's crazy it's the photography is [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► really bizarre and [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► it's kind of fun but it's really it's [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► one of the weirdest things I've seen [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► because it sort of I don't they went off [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► and shot you know photography of the [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► ocean for some weeks or months to make [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► this pod coffee table book one of the [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► things about the illustrated guide is [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► that they have been several designs to [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► Marvin over the years and i think that [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► the mob in the illustrated guide is the [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► closest to what Douglas actually saw was [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► Marvin he always hated the original TV [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► series Marvin bit because actually just [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► going to speak in favor of the time i [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► love this very serious my i really love [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► that you know it's funny because in the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► book he was he was amusing but he got [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► tedious after a bit and then there's [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► just something so depressing about the [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► TV series Marvin that I just never get [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► tired of me watch dead and the first [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► four episodes now it's just I finally [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► Larry is the way walks and even signed [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► depressingly I mean it's boxy [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► ridiculously ok if you contrast so we [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► know we we should talk about the [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► triggers guide movie also which I really [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► liked to have gotten so we gave it to me [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► as a gift to get on DVD and the Marvin [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► there i think is also wonderful and [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► totally different conception as well and [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► what I sort of love is that the TV [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► series Zaphod his second head it'd never [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► work right and they spent some [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► ridiculous amount of money for [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► mechanical head for the TV show it's [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► terrible and it occasionally spits out [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► something in the actor ethic was losing [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► the use of his arm because it kept going [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► numb and the blood was cut off was tied [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► behind him and then the movie they kind [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► of make the two heads work and it sort [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► of I i think that the movie was much so [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► much more polished that I think the two [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► heads working seems so disappointed that [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► it was actually such a good head for [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► much of the film [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► yeah right i didn't write the movie at [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► all [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► share with us our whois record yeah I [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► didn't like the movie at all [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► I mean in fact even the TV series and [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► it's certainly better than the movie but [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► I don't like visual representations the [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► coffee table book doesn't work for me i [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► would much rather have this stuff in my [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► head because it's so inventive that I [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► see somebody else you know render it [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► into reality and it's wrong i think that [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► like in the original TV series forward [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► and Arthur are perfectly cast but [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► trillion was really [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's just drama as a mother [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► sharon and I've been for but for North [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► are dead on the TV so yeah god [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► especially especially Arthur who's just [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► I mean I it was the same act right Simon [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► Jones from the video [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► oh man he's phenomenal I mean anything [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► the movie he wrote and moving always the [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► user would see the movie I've forgotten [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► he's the micros via recorded message [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► yeah but I would much rather have [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► douglas adams on the page or in my ears [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► that in front of my face just because it [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► is so inventive and so out there that it [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► it's just that it from my perspective it [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► will be wrong [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► I'm sure somebody working very very hard [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► on it and they spend a lot of money to [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► make it exactly what they wanted but [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► it's just not right [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► well that the thing I liked about the [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► movie i have to say is that it was [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► different than the book so I didn't get [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► the same feeling of disappointment [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► because I thought they'd be conceived of [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► of things a bit then try to be a slavish [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► and then of course i read not that long [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► ago I don't think I understood this that [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► the movie that movie was in the [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► biography that the movie that that [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► doesn't actually worked on the movie i [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► mean i know it worked on it but that [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► what made the screen was not too far for [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► his conception it wasn't oh I filmmakers [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► took i have no doubt literally the [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► douglas adams i have read is now mine [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► and it's been in my head for 30 years [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► and I respect douglas adams vision but [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► he gave that to me 30 years ago and he's [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► wrong but what i have in my head is is [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► marito shot exactly it's what i have in [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► my head is arvind was boxes never felt [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► as far as I'm concerned that's Marvin [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► didn't have a shape he wasn't box he [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► wasn't around he was Marvin and I've [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► never nailed that down and so to see [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► somebody take stabs at it just feels [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► uncomfortable this is your characters [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► that I love in situations that i love [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► and you give me a perfect transition [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► which is I want to talk about since [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► we're talking about the books five books [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► right five books the increasingly in [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► accurately named trilogy and we're [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► talking largely about the first one [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► that's what the movie is really sort of [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► mostly about the first with elements of [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► all kinds of other stuff and the TV [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► series was was really the was the first [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► and restaurant the universe is part of [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► two members in the series include the [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► restaurant answer that yes not like the [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► cocl bit but I do appreciate it looks [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► around the TV star first two books so [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► but I'm you know [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► toilet flushing sound at the end of the [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► universe hehe but i would say start fast [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► my favorite character across all the [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► books identify with them it is the [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► greatest name [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► yes in your name is not important [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► he says yeah what it's like you know you [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► have that he came up with the name was [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► Douglas wrote down he do basic breakdown [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► a whole lot of roots words you could [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► think of I think he came up with my [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► fucking balls and then he basically [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► chopped up all the phonemes and [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► syllables and just rearranged everything [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► until he had something that he was [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► allowed to say on the radio but still [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► sounded complete that's like most [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► gratuitous use of the word belgium it [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► did you tell me the one about that he [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► also hated the Secretary was making fun [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► of the Secretary had a type of the [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► scripts because she had to keep typing [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► start fast he said he wouldn't tell the [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► name so the Secretary's type of way [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► Slartibartfast are fast in the scripts [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► and the character is not using his own [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► name for this whole exchange shot a [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► stipend over maybe that's into a panic [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► but i like i love bill nighy so I loved [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► his portrayal the movie but i always i [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► thought you know they'd be brought back [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► started our fast in book 3 becomes you [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► know more of a crusader but i just love [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► this man who's loaded devoted his life [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► to making you know nice crinkly fjords [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► and the fiddly bits and it's going out [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► of style and you're not a word he wanted [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► to but it turns out to be nice for the [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► friendly guy [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► sorry bar fast you know it gives them [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► the flyer to get away when they're [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► escaping from the goon squad on [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► Magrathea trying to slice and dice [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► Arthur's brain and who else it was [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► people must have favorite characters i [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► hear a lot of Marvins in this discussion [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► Arthur to identify with only a big head [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► yes perhaps depressingly cell and it put [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► upon every man who is totally [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► overwhelmed by events yeah that's me [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► that's that's why i never liked the [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► fourth book because so much of a partier [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► is darker is happy he is and how long [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► yeah he's not meant to be happy he's [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► been to be frustrated and put them on by [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► everybody around him he is he's not [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► meant for happy and they [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► and hence why i think i said earlier [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► podcast I maybe didn't make the final [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► cut that that I love the ending of the [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► mostly harmless [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► oh that's what i have to say i I've [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► never read the book a second time I was [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► so depressed by it but i understand that [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► yeah for the authors happy because [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► douglas adams was happy with that in [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► book five Douglas was very depressed but [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► mostly harmless so the book is like I [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► remember reading an interview with him [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► later saying I you know I wasn't that [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► great mood when i wrote that I got that [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► impression and it to me so much of [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► douglas adams work and maybe this is a [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► reflection on just a state of mind [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► throughout much of his life but was was [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► based on just utter frustration it i [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► mean Arthur I don't know to what extent [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► douglas adams kind of saw parallels in [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► in Arthur but I i think that's also why [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► the the games are so freaking hard [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► The Hitchhiker's Guide game to say is [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► fairly commonly consider our record is [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► sooo bureaucracy which was all about me [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► the whole game is about frustration I'm [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► ironically it was considerably easier [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► than the Hitchhiker's Guide game but I [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► mean that was sort of with that because [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► people want to know your common sense [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► that you know i never got that far [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► through the hitchhiker's game if I think [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► this guy you know if i recall whether it [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► was it wasn't exactly was it feudal was [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► our goal there was a way to win the game [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► it actually wasn't that difficult game [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► but it wasn't very first interactive [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► fiction game that intentionally lied to [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► okay i dont they detect that prince will [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► come [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► I was an infant on beta tester in high [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► school Wow and I did Hollywood hijinks [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► and ballyhoo and all Wow lurking horror [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► and Hitchhiker's Guide handsome they [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► eventually offered hints to beta testers [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► who couldn't get off the heart of gold [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► I think that was kind of our first [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► things I remember where they actually in [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► the manual came out and said this is how [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► you get through this puzzle before you [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► even start the game haha [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► the idea was automatically babbling but [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► the table's puzzle but uh yeah that I [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► think they're probably too sticking [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► points that people reference when they [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► talk about how how ridiculously hard [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► that was one of the tables puzzle which [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► is difficult but not impossible [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► because at that point you haven't [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► collected so much stuff that he can't [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► really figure out what you need to drop [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► in front of what [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► yeah and then the other idea because the [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► microscopic basically the witch which is [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► I think you're on board and it swallowed [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► by a dog and you have to make the [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► connection that way way back in the [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► first few scenes of the game you have to [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► distract ya we only kill the dog can't [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► cough or other girl can't swallow the [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► free trade right without actually cheese [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► sandwiches full if I may do a reading [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► yeah actually there's an app called wats [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► available in reference to a spell [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► enchanter that allows you to play old [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► info con games and I have it sitting on [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► my ipad now and and open to a select [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► page of The Hitchhiker's game pray read [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► to a while telling the silicon shell [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► it's like a sphere so initially there's [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► a description of the cheese sandwich and [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► and this is I think what a great example [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► of of what i think is the genius of [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► atoms and is his way of just sort of [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► stretching out a sentence and and [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► pitching things so perfectly for maximum [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► impact [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► so what the input is by cheese sandwich [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► and the output you get is the barman [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► gives you a cheese sandwich the bread is [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► like the stuff that stereos compact in [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► the cheese would be great for rubbing [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► out spelling mistakes and margarine and [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► pickle have performed an unedifying [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► chemical reaction to produce something [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► that shouldn't be but is turquoise since [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► it is clearly unfit for human [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► consumption you are grateful to be [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► charged only a pound for it a little bit [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► further down if you're wise enough to [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► give the cheese sandwich the dog you're [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► told [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► the dog is deeply moved with powerful [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► sweeps of its tail it indicates that [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► regards this cheese sandwich is one of [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► the great cheese sandwiches [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► nine out of ten pet owners could happen [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► by at this point expressing any [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► preference they pleased but this dog [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► would spurn both them and all their [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► teens this is a dog which has met its [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► main sandwich [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► it eats with passion and ignores a [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► passing microscopic space fleet but i [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► think i still had the fluff that came [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► with the game like a little flat and [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► there was in fact a microscopic Spacely [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► which was in fact just a cell phone [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► package it [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► oh that's when plastic bag yeah Scott [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► has faced blade on a bit of cardboard [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► that stayed out there and thinking I [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► loved infocomm feelings now that was [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► good but no yes since you actually grew [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► up in Blade II was the food that bad [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► then was the food that bad when I don't [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► know i don't think it's high season to [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► spend a lot of my time you spend a lot [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► of my time currently defending British [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► food to people who i am now it's all [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► ending matter and it's a different [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► matter [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► well he's been living here for well [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► there's a whole gastropub i love [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► gastropubs and there's certain things [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► that I really missed from britain now I [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► live in San Francisco living in Texas [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► gets past five years and i really miss a [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► nice banoffee pie which is the non it [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► sounds like the sort of thing you can [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► get very cheaply and Francisco certain [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► parts and yes except that it's a very [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► different experience and you kind of [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► wake up with all these kind of with [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► bruises but I'm but did you see and he's [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► given roadside I mean I think it's like [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► I have to say of all the things that are [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► most foreign to me about the books which [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► is you know I i feel like i have a some [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► understanding of the culture and I've [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► been to England a few times and so forth [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► but but it's the Buddhist adam talks [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► about the terrible the sheer awfulness [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► of the food so often i think is it just [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► the food he ate or I get them to [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► resonate with you being stuffed with [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► black pudding at age seven [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► I get the impression of the food me when [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► you was at some point little generally [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► terrible but I'll i said i've been four [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► times in the last 10 years and it's been [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► great so something happened but there [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► was a time certainly I mean for partners [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► pub food was that bad and legendarily [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► British Rail food they had legendarily [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► bad sandwiches I mean they were really [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► want to start with loads of people [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► didn't count it was a constant source of [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► sorts of humor but now that we've now [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► that we know we've had privatization [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► everything everything is is bad whole [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► other neway at about the good thing is [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► it is now been outsourced to multiple [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► different companies so they can compete [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► on innovating whole new ways of being [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► bad which i think that's that's a lot of [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► things that we quote in the in the trade [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► all the time I think Jason and i were [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► talking about this not too long ago is [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► the phrase about the Sirius cybernetics [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► corpse new traumatic machine which [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► produces a substance almost but not [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► quite entire [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► unlike t it in the related related a bit [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► with the machines that they make the [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► that the they have so many major design [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► flaws that once you overcome them you're [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► so overjoyed getting the thing to do [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► anything that you overlooked the minor [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► design flaws which is I think the [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► majority of products reviews seem to [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► fall into that category is for those who [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► just finished reading up on the games [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► one thing that can point to as well is [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► the year in the various links is an [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► hour-and-a-half session we have Steve [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► maretskiy who did who coded the [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► hitchhiker's game with Douglas and [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► Michael by water [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► who is he wrote parts of he wrote most [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► of bureaucracy [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► actually he was pulled into the [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► rightmost proxy instead of Douglas and [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► he also wrote big chunks off starship [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► titanic and the bump around it and [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► various other interactive fiction games [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► that have nothing to do with Douglas [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► there's a company called magnetic [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► Scrolls which did a back in kind of the [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► late eighties early nineties did a [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► number of very popular 16-bit adventure [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► games that have amazing graphics and use [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► some of that stuff and he's also most [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► famous connection is that he is the [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► person on whom the character of dirt [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► Gentiles base and he's so you've got [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► this and a half recording of the whole [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► thing and it's what because daughter [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► because michael is fantastic rack onto [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► her and they do a whole load of [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► reminiscing about infocomm especially [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► and so something like I have that link [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► for you and I think the show notes that [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► should be a lot of fun too and this is [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► why I think this is part of that [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► remarkable thing about the list is that [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► he I mean we've talked to us if we talk [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► a lot of the books and movies and [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► whatever it's like we're not even [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► talking about you that the in the video [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► games but also in text games he was such [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► an early computer user and he was so [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► pressing about he seemed to have the [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► user experience in my life he actually [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► understood what people might want to do [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► besides organized recipes in their [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► kitchen and I recall buying the very [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► first edition of Dirk Gently the [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► detective asian we came out I was [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► graphic design major in college I had [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► been a typesetter I've trained a [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► typesetter high school of you know I'm [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► not 90 years old but strangely have that [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► career and I got to gently detective [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► agency open it up and I'm like the [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► bastard typeset himself [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► if I could tell on the first page and [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► you read it and you know you read that [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► he was so phenomenally late with Dirk [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► Gently that he had to not just write the [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► book but set it and output on his [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► laserwriter and I think dashing across [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► town you know to get it to the printers [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► to get out and in later editions were [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► types of a little more superiorly but [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► but this that once backfired really [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► spectacularly in the book of the [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► novelization of start a panic which was [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► written by terry jones because [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► originally doctor said he didn't want to [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► write it and we tossed around like [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► people to write it and then doctor said [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► he didn't want to write it and then he [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► spent a whole year not writing it and [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► then it got to 3 weeks before the [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► deadline and i said yeah i can write it [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► and so we pulled in terry jones who [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► reportedly brought the entire book in [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► the nude because that's what he does and [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► you know he turned out a book in three [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► weeks and it's pretty good for a book [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► that was turned out in three weeks and [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► Douglas introduction and then sent the [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► file obviously remarkably laid off to [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► the printers and it comes out and look [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► at the introduction and it's got these [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► giants waves of white space and you [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► think is this some kind of you know [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► house of leaves style a poetry thing [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► going because they look fairly poetic [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► with these huge optics ways of white [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► space and no it's not it's just that the [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► typesetters didn't didn't load the file [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► correctly or some somehow it got [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► corrupted and the types was just going [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► out we thought you wanted it to look [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► like that so beautiful but I recall [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► stephen fry wrote something i think when [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► that was when they transcribe when he [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► came out he was something on this blog [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► about whenever new software came out he [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► would you know dash down the street [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► knock on the door and say hello to you [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► notice his wife and say can I can go [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► upstairs studies there run upstairs with [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► a floppy disk made plug it in and do the [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► latest thing you know that wouldn't [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► actually work and be frustrated with a [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► bang on the machine all day going to do [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► something but I i think it was kind of [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► extraordinary for an author in those [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► days and somebody who wasn't necessarily [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► technologist the what he understood [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► about was going on with technology how [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► people would use it in the future the [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► hyper landing a notable example hyper [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► you know a special about hypertext [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► essentially before anyone had really [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► most people put hands on a you know [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► sophisticated computer and personal [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► computers are out but they're mostly [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► doing sort of [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► boring things nothing quite like that [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► and nothing that interactive with other [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► people or information but you know [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► desktop publishing is early with [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► interactive fiction all these sorts of [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► no he was he was definitely not only in [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► technology enthusiast but but could [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► write just so well about in your your [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► your line earlier about his [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► understanding of the compromises that go [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► into technology products especially in [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► that he he took this he was incredibly [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► enthusiastic about them but also really [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► perceptive about the failings of them [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► and how they failed in spectacular and [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► absurd ways he wrote a bunch of columns [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► for various magazines in that period in [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► the eighties and nineties and and they [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► were always hilarious that which is not [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► surprising because this Douglas Adams [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► but they were hilarious also because he [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► was so knowledgeable he was clearly a [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► fan and he had this great enthusiasm and [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► and so could be critical in a way that [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► only a true fan can be and you know [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► that's one of the things that that I i [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► miss the most about about him being gone [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► is that I keep thinking about new [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► technologies and what he would say about [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► them and anion honestly will admit when [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► I held that held the ipad for the first [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► time and was looking things up on [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► Wikipedia or other things in the a.m on [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► a wireless connection on an ipad i [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► thought i was struck almost immediately [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► by the fact that i was in some ways [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► using the thing closest to the [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy and it [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► had arrived and that Douglas Adams would [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► never get a chance to see it although he [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► did basically envision it himself [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► I think that having his science fiction [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► is good science fiction and it [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► independent of all the parity and [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► humorous aspects of it only one of the [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► reasons is because he's such a good [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► technologist hitchhiker's guide the book [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► is not not the novel the the device in [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► the story is a terrific science fiction [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► trope it serves a lot of fictional [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► purposes but you could see that existing [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► because hey here it is in front of me [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► Steve's talking on it and things like [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► that the infinite improbability drive is [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► a great science-fiction idea how it came [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► about I was just reading a book physics [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► book I talk about this on them on a [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► previous podcast [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► and it's all about parallel universes [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► and probabilities and high you know did [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► do when when two things can happen do [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► both things happen and create parallel [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► universes and as I'm reading through he [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► starts to talk about probability and [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► this crazy like cutting edge physics [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► above probability of multiple universes [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► and all of a sudden I realized it oh my [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► God he's talking about the infinite [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► improbability drive here it's amazing [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► it's one of the improbable infant [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► probability drive i think is my favorite [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► MacGuffin out of all the books and i [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► agree story because it's the way he cut [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► the famous story about how we can't came [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► up with it was that he had just because [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► he was making everything up as he went [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► along he had just thrown author and [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► forward out of open airlock to die in [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► the vacuum of space which was a great [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► idea part of the factory had no idea how [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► to rescue them and the trouble was he [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► came up with all these different ideas [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► and was defeated by the shearing [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► probability of them because that you [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► know space being besides it is can't [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► just have another spaceship magically [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► turn up you if you know that you is [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► brightly Douglas was smart enough about [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► space in the class i know this is just [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► impossible and so we got very depressed [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► about this and sat down to watch TV and [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► there was a program about judo on and [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► thing with judo the instructor explained [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► is that you use your opponent's weight [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► against them so if you have a sumo [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► wrestler after the other council members [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► are throwing themselves at you and you [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► trip them up in something the fact that [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► they weigh 300 pounds becomes their [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► problem not yours [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► and so you turn the problem against [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► itself and so he said I was in [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► probability is the problem therefore it [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► should be solution and so but you know [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► that that's the story around it but the [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► thing about it is the way but not just [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► as it served its purpose there but [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► continually throughout the various [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► stories in that suddenly it's one of the [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► things I love most about this is the [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► analogy of I've never any sort of [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► Douglas a sci-fi writer I think he's a [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► satirist who happens to be really good [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► at using set sci-fi to drive comfortable [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► with although all the mechanisms of [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► sci-fi mhm exactly exactly but that you [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► know you have this sci-fi universe I [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► fittings but at the heart of it SAT up [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► and the heart of gold is a spaceship [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► that looks like a normal space ship but [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► at the heart of it is something [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► completely ridiculous and it's this kind [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► of he has given himself ultimate license [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► in a way that you now only have with you [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► know that it's finally been explained [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► the TARDIS to have the ship take its [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► characters around into the most [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► ridiculous situations for the helmet [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► looks like it's patrick mcgoohan being [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► able to write the prisoner TV series [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► that is you know a skewering and a [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► satire and a deconstruction and [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► subversive version of his previous [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► series about a special in a secret agent [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► the same thing as Douglas Adams had to [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► work on Doctor Who in order to write [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► something so ridiculous that that we [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► could be could have access to all of the [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► tropes of science fiction but everyone [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► is familiar with and then turn them all [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► on their head and to say well you know [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► instead of being too Wiggly what I mean [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► no doctor who is actually become very [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► much more like a trucker's guide over [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► the years as a result i mean i think the [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► more modern series are sillier about [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► certain aspects of Technology [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey thing as much [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► more diverse atoms that original Doctor [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► Who I wanted to learn to speak in a min [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► well speak positively about my favorite [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► thing that in the hitch-hiker serious [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► which is actually I know it's easy to do [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► this because we're we're doing a podcast [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► number 42 of the uncomfortable but the [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► story of the building of deep thought [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► you know it is it is brilliant in terms [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► of Technology it's brilliant in terms of [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► satire i would argue that if that was a [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► short story it would be legendary as a [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► short story because it is so funny and [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► so true and in some ways then I also one [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► of the things that i love about it and [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► maybe my favorite revelation and the [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► entire series is that much later there's [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► an even bigger punch line when it [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► discovers that this entire final [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► computer that will come after deep [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► thought has been messed up by the fact [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► that that that the humans have come to [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► the planet the the telephone sanitizers [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► and hairdressers and the punch line is [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► that the question that there they've [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► come up with 442 is what what is eight [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► times seven [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► if it's like I always remember something [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► fundamentally wrong aren't this says so [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► that hold the whole thing I mean and [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► there's a reason 42 has a residence that [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► story is so fantastic and it's so [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► crushing because it is a failure of [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► imagination of the people who build it [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► it's a failure of technology it's it's [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► just such a fantastic story so I just [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► wanted to to do some some drive-by [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► praise of it because it is it's easy to [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► it's easy to just take it for granted [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► and it is it is brilliant and [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► brilliantly I think realized given the [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► budget especially in the in the TV [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► series but it's just such a such a great [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► thing that building the greatest [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► computer ever and it gives you the [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► answer you want and it's completely [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► useless all it's also full of so many of [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► those great lines on your advocacy [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► probably not you know he might talk the [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► legs off a nocturnal make a donkey but [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► only I can make him get up and take a [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► walk later and just this you endless [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► series of little jokes and puns and the [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► Philosopher's we just thought we we [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► demand originally defined areas that's [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► Alan tonight and it's great [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► well I mean by location rates the [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► religious satire and and the flock [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► philosophical satire and the egg so [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► romantic i really just after all [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► together up just about the absurdity of [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► the whole thing and searching for this [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► kind of unanswerable the answer to the [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► unanswerable questions and I I [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► philosophically I really appreciate that [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► it is you know of course we're always [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► going to be questing for this but the [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► reality is it can't be answered or if it [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► is inserted we won't understand what the [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► answer is anyway i will point out one of [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► the the the superior things that movie [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► that is not on the books but it feels [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► very Douglas is the bit where there's [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► the point of view God is not the weapon [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► in the movie [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► yeah a fun and he had that kicking [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► around but many creations little records [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► usually story it's a familiar and so the [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► bit where they finally get it and and [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► trillion fires a father he says all [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► kinds of things that he grabs and fires [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► that her he says it didn't work and she [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► says of course that I'm a woman and I [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► just thought that was a person walks off [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► so perfect it's like I already know [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► everybody else feels thank you very much [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► i love my way i did want to mention [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► something else about the BBC series [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► which as I said I've just watched the [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► first time a few days ago [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► the TV's yes uh and and Jason you might [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► have actually missed this having viewed [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► on PBS but pretty early on in the second [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► episode they're going through the whole [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► long the whole long monologue about how [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► everybody on earth is unhappy and it's [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► sort of working up to the bit where the [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► woman in the cafe I in rickmansworth [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► suddenly realizes what it's all about [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► and then suddenly the planet is [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► demolished which I guess it's kind of a [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► nice little mirror story the whole deep [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► thought think but I was rather surprised [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► to find a cameo from douglas adams in [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► that in that episode and more more [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► specifically his naked bomb peers looks [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► like i was amused to see him looking [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► depressed and and holding a lot of cash [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► and then I was made I don't know [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► dismayed is the word i guess more amused [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► to see him turn away from the camera and [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► walk naked Lee into the sea you know his [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► his pale British cheeks flapping in the [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► breeze and India tell that moment I had [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► never really understood just exactly [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► what a critical piece of equipment towel [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► really is haha that joke about the woman [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► who figures it all out [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► it's like a fourth paragraph of the [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► first page of the first book is is that [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► right that's our first inkling that but [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► things aren't going to go where I can [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► never figure out where the monologue fit [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► because they move around depending on [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► which verse its yeah it is yeah it's [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► it's it's true i said on two previous [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► podcast now but just to restate i love [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► the fact that this is so funny and yet [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► so dark that he he has the bold stroke [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► of destroying planet Earth immediately [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► it's just you get another way and then [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► you can just move on [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► I like that he was trying to challenge [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► himself I mean you guys mentioned that [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► that he he rejects Arthur and forward [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► into space and doesn't know how to [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► resolve it [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► I I did feel like in some ways that was [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► a motivator for him to keep writing what [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► a ball plus you need cliffhangers for [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► the radio show but it's the idea is I'm [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► just going to do this and that will [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► force me to figure something else out so [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► i'm going to destroy the earth [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► I'm not gonna be able to go back there [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► I'm just gonna have to figure out what [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► i'm going to do next what a what a [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► marvelous comment on the man [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► and his attitude is that he has his [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► cameo you know as big a meal with i do [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► remembers and he uses it to show i do [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► remember the naked man do you remember [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► the naked man its i just did not [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► remember that it was Douglas Adams so [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► it's it's called not all of them [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► you also mentioned Terry Jones running [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► nude before and monty python's appears [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► nude playing the key the the organ not [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► his own Oregon battery in uh yeah what's [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► marked have one explicit at the opening [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► of Monty Python you don't sound as [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► walking nude into the ocean it's all [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► it's all plants resources with my [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► British people like and well you know [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► since your carrots over here and we're [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► all terribly repressed yea and amen amen [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► and everybody joyously throws their [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► clothes off and run into the ocean the [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► the other thing with the Explorer end of [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► the the the movie about the moment where [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► the earth is destroyed leaving out the [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► moment moment that the earth is [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► destroyed and you see everybody [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► panicking and screaming and then there's [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► a moment we see one ultimate sitting at [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► a café looking around and just paying [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► no attention at all and going back and [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► reading a paper that is the hallmark [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► that's it [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► yeah but they was the movie has loads of [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► these kind of bizarre things in it and [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► loads of references to talking to people [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► about it leading up to the movie's [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► release everybody was saying yo solo two [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► variations on I don't care what it's got [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► in the movie as long as it's got X if [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► your ex is in the movie then you [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► probably liked it and if it isn't then [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► you don't always thought I was [TS]