The Incomparable

40: An Ending Ten Years in the Making


00:00:04   the incomparable contest number already [TS]

00:00:07   made 2011 [TS]

00:00:11   we are back on the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:14   and it is once again time I know that [TS]

00:00:16   you're gonna find this hard to believe [TS]

00:00:17   but it is once again time for the comic [TS]

00:00:20   book club the comic book club is back [TS]

00:00:21   its back in session [TS]

00:00:24   alright art so joining me are my [TS]

00:00:27   faithful members of the comic book club [TS]

00:00:29   will we're gonna maybe we'll find a way [TS]

00:00:31   to add somebody else at some point I [TS]

00:00:32   don't know but we've got a solid three [TS]

00:00:34   we went not need anymore [TS]

00:00:36   Joyce joining me as always jason reitman [TS]

00:00:39   hello hey and Lisa Schmeisser i'm [TS]

00:00:42   already plenty initiation rites for the [TS]

00:00:43   new remember oh yeah yeah we're going to [TS]

00:00:45   have to make him read everything we've [TS]

00:00:47   already read something horribly thats [TS]

00:00:48   good know how to read the entire run of [TS]

00:00:49   micronauts to satisfy me how bad I just [TS]

00:00:51   for punishment [TS]

00:00:52   wow that was probably the club the [TS]

00:00:53   fastest mentioned in the microphones in [TS]

00:00:55   any of if you have one minute and the [TS]

00:00:57   over-under you if you if you chose one [TS]

00:00:59   minute you win the lottery and the [TS]

00:01:01   drinking game [TS]

00:01:02   yes that's right i had to I had to get [TS]

00:01:03   in there what better recognize me [TS]

00:01:05   because micronauts really has nothing to [TS]

00:01:07   do with planetary um so planetary was [TS]

00:01:10   the choice that we made like a million [TS]

00:01:12   years ago to talk about and we're [TS]

00:01:13   actually going to talk about it [TS]

00:01:14   especially not it's still feel like we [TS]

00:01:16   should wait another 10 years just met [TS]

00:01:18   yeah you can see how long they took [TS]

00:01:20   planetary to come out with the 26 issues [TS]

00:01:21   yeah i was shocked to discover that it [TS]

00:01:23   took them [TS]

00:01:24   it took them tell you we had 10 years to [TS]

00:01:26   go 27 issues 26 issues something like [TS]

00:01:29   that yeah shocking because i read it all [TS]

00:01:31   i think i read the last date issues [TS]

00:01:33   today and it's sort of unfair you do get [TS]

00:01:36   the sense that I I did realize at some [TS]

00:01:38   point when i started reading it it was [TS]

00:01:40   clearly set right before the turn of the [TS]

00:01:42   millennium and then as i'm reading the [TS]

00:01:45   later issues they're talking about how [TS]

00:01:46   it's already past and I'm like did I [TS]

00:01:48   miss that or did this just takes so long [TS]

00:01:50   to come out which which brings up some [TS]

00:01:52   interesting continuity issues with the [TS]

00:01:54   Millennium babies that were characters [TS]

00:01:56   in a lot of war analysis stuff that kind [TS]

00:01:59   of glossed over because I actually meant [TS]

00:02:00   to the Millennium babies because that [TS]

00:02:02   was a huge component of the Holy that [TS]

00:02:04   was a huge component of a whole universe [TS]

00:02:06   when they first started you had Jennie [TS]

00:02:07   sparks with the authority and Elijah [TS]

00:02:09   snow and the two of them obviously know [TS]

00:02:11   each other right and there was a [TS]

00:02:12   potential and they had the one crossover [TS]

00:02:14   comic with the two of them but they took [TS]

00:02:18   that really great idea of of a planetary [TS]

00:02:20   defense system and just dropped it so so [TS]

00:02:22   let's back up a second because as [TS]

00:02:24   somebody who you [TS]

00:02:25   guys really know this stuff and I have [TS]

00:02:28   I'm a babe in the woods when it comes to [TS]

00:02:31   this as with many things I I never I [TS]

00:02:33   never I think I've heard of this but i [TS]

00:02:35   knew nothing about it so it's it's a [TS]

00:02:40   wild storm in print book right which is [TS]

00:02:43   DC basically but it's a specific like [TS]

00:02:45   what do you see misty significant yeah [TS]

00:02:49   while slamming mr. me and wild storm was [TS]

00:02:52   Jim Lee's studio that was part of Image [TS]

00:02:54   Comics huh and everything started that [TS]

00:02:57   way at some point many years ago DC [TS]

00:02:59   bought wildstorm so they left just moved [TS]

00:03:02   over to DC they were their own universe [TS]

00:03:04   a year or two ago then DC folded the [TS]

00:03:07   universe into the DC Universe and just [TS]

00:03:10   last year they I or maybe was earlier [TS]

00:03:12   this year they've cancelled all of the [TS]

00:03:14   wild storm titles [TS]

00:03:16   ah alright so so started image move to [TS]

00:03:19   DC its own universe [TS]

00:03:21   I've read something in this universe [TS]

00:03:23   before because i read the authority [TS]

00:03:26   yes which is any sparks and then this [TS]

00:03:28   has a large snow which is an another one [TS]

00:03:30   of these Millennium Bridge century [TS]

00:03:33   babies are essentially baby yeah we [TS]

00:03:34   could there be rolled on New Year's Day [TS]

00:03:36   1982 almost to live a hundred years and [TS]

00:03:41   I yeah right so yeah which is [TS]

00:03:43   complicated because you know is the [TS]

00:03:45   planetary ends up being after the end of [TS]

00:03:48   the century but Elijah's still ok i [TS]

00:03:51   thought well he didn't he obviously [TS]

00:03:53   skated on that one so so 26-27 something [TS]

00:03:59   like that issues over the course of 10 [TS]

00:04:00   years we state by warren ellis and John [TS]

00:04:05   Cassady who I actually first saw his art [TS]

00:04:07   with Joss Whedon be starting actually [TS]

00:04:10   yes and that's one of the reasons [TS]

00:04:11   planetary took so long as he left to go [TS]

00:04:13   do that Mary started before that and [TS]

00:04:16   finished it [TS]

00:04:16   afghan planetary started and then there [TS]

00:04:18   were 24 issues of astonishing x-men and [TS]

00:04:20   then they finished the 25 issues of [TS]

00:04:22   planetary wow so i have to say have [TS]

00:04:26   being the one who just read this this is [TS]

00:04:29   this thing you had me read this is one [TS]

00:04:31   of the craziest things I have ever ever [TS]

00:04:34   read crazy as comics certainly really it [TS]

00:04:36   is it is crazy in a good [TS]

00:04:38   way but it is because it's this I mean [TS]

00:04:42   how many layers are going on here [TS]

00:04:44   let's let's let's break it down because [TS]

00:04:46   otherwise I my head will explode a whole [TS]

00:04:49   underlying thing here is that we're [TS]

00:04:53   looking at analogues of other not even [TS]

00:04:56   superheroes other heroic kind of [TS]

00:04:59   archetypal let's not even archetypes [TS]

00:05:02   they're like ver altered versions of [TS]

00:05:05   heroic famous characters but they're [TS]

00:05:07   archetypes I mean is there's the [TS]

00:05:09   superman and wonder woman right we ready [TS]

00:05:11   right and the reason to send the spoiler [TS]

00:05:13   horns or something similarly the floor [TS]

00:05:15   spoiler horn [TS]

00:05:19   because there's that one mission where [TS]

00:05:20   they kill Superman and Green Lantern [TS]

00:05:22   Wonder Woman same issue [TS]

00:05:24   yeah all right and it's a great she [TS]

00:05:26   wanted when I realized they're not like [TS]

00:05:27   they're not actually Superman right by [TS]

00:05:30   your side just be a benefit from outer [TS]

00:05:31   space who comes down to earth and make a [TS]

00:05:33   woman from island to come yes save [TS]

00:05:35   mankind bracelets so some of them are [TS]

00:05:37   are are analogues their parallels to [TS]

00:05:40   existing ones and then you've got some [TS]

00:05:41   characters a character who is kind of [TS]

00:05:42   like the shadow but he's also kinda like [TS]

00:05:44   the green hornet right and there's a [TS]

00:05:46   ghost writer and all alone the lone [TS]

00:05:48   ranger is the one that blew in and then [TS]

00:05:50   there's a where where I'm sitting there [TS]

00:05:52   was reading the story thinking wow this [TS]

00:05:53   is pretty wacky he's out in the desert [TS]

00:05:55   and his body's been dumped but he's not [TS]

00:05:56   quite dead and the Indian pumps him full [TS]

00:05:58   of hallucinogens and all of a sudden [TS]

00:06:01   he's like the biggest rally make silver [TS]

00:06:03   bullets and put sash around his eyes and [TS]

00:06:05   he's the ghost Ranger Wow [TS]

00:06:09   and then what was the other one of the [TS]

00:06:11   other crazy one main antagonist of the [TS]

00:06:12   Fantastic Four well thats oh so we [TS]

00:06:14   always comes back to the Fantastic Four [TS]

00:06:15   with us so i find it funny that that I [TS]

00:06:18   assume would be another one of these [TS]

00:06:19   analogs in me and go there with the are [TS]

00:06:22   our friends at home listening to this [TS]

00:06:24   the the way planetary setup is each [TS]

00:06:27   issue is a self-contained story [TS]

00:06:28   essentially and that up to still be [TS]

00:06:31   until the end and all these characters [TS]

00:06:33   that were talking about these analogs [TS]

00:06:35   they introduced it's like one issue [TS]

00:06:37   typically sometimes more but it's sort [TS]

00:06:40   of there's a complete story line there [TS]

00:06:41   where the the planetary is a planetary [TS]

00:06:44   organization planetary agency planetary [TS]

00:06:46   group with governing body whenever they [TS]

00:06:48   yeah they are [TS]

00:06:49   explore archaeologists of the unknown [TS]

00:06:51   they're weird about discovering the [TS]

00:06:53   secret history of the planet [TS]

00:06:55   their job is to curate mysteries [TS]

00:06:57   basically yeah and so each time they [TS]

00:06:58   they find this mystery like in the the [TS]

00:07:00   Hulk story it was this town in New [TS]

00:07:02   Mexico that was used for bomb [TS]

00:07:04   experiments and then they find this very [TS]

00:07:06   deep pit that this person who became the [TS]

00:07:09   incredible hulk analog the government [TS]

00:07:12   dug a really big hole and put it in and [TS]

00:07:14   then it was about how it took him 60 [TS]

00:07:15   years to starve to death and you know [TS]

00:07:17   essentially most of these analogs end up [TS]

00:07:20   dying tragically as if they if Godzilla [TS]

00:07:23   and logged eyes tear it another terrible [TS]

00:07:25   way [TS]

00:07:25   yeah it's sort of if these people really [TS]

00:07:27   existed what would d write the governing [TS]

00:07:30   bodies do to them and literary world [TS]

00:07:32   helbred kill them right away I and then [TS]

00:07:35   it turns out that the people organizing [TS]

00:07:36   this or that fantastic for analog which [TS]

00:07:39   have been sort of retarding the growth [TS]

00:07:43   of humanity for the last 60 years or so [TS]

00:07:46   in like taking all these extraordinary [TS]

00:07:48   things that could be gifts to mankind [TS]

00:07:50   and either burying them killing them [TS]

00:07:53   hiding them [TS]

00:07:54   yeah i think it's interesting because [TS]

00:07:56   they introduced the Fantastic Four [TS]

00:07:58   analog and I kind of expect again that [TS]

00:08:00   will be a one-shot deal and I and I say [TS]

00:08:02   oh I see what they're doing and there's [TS]

00:08:04   a4 and there's the scientist and his [TS]

00:08:05   girlfriend and a rough-and-tumble test [TS]

00:08:07   pilot and the kid brother and they go [TS]

00:08:08   and then they they come back and and [TS]

00:08:10   they've got you know some recognizable [TS]

00:08:12   powers that's like clearly the Fantastic [TS]

00:08:14   Four and look and they're they're [TS]

00:08:16   horrible and they're not just horrible [TS]

00:08:18   they become again we've already fired [TS]

00:08:21   the spoiler horn here they are the [TS]

00:08:23   villain of the of the story arc of this [TS]

00:08:25   25 issue limited series there the super [TS]

00:08:29   super bad guys and which I thought was [TS]

00:08:32   kind of brilliant because the whole rest [TS]

00:08:34   of the run i'm sitting there kind of [TS]

00:08:35   laughing as i read thinking oh the [TS]

00:08:37   Fantastic Four very very bad people [TS]

00:08:39   because there's also the identity [TS]

00:08:41   mystery that starts off for Elijah snow [TS]

00:08:42   is just trying to figure out why he's [TS]

00:08:43   lost so much of his memory and who is he [TS]

00:08:46   what is what is he doing what is this [TS]

00:08:48   connection and said it was the fourth [TS]

00:08:50   man [TS]

00:08:51   yes the planetary is made up of three [TS]

00:08:53   right three individuals and then the [TS]

00:08:56   fourth man is the mysterious benefactor [TS]

00:08:57   who runs the planetary organization and [TS]

00:09:00   then you find out a lot of snow is the [TS]

00:09:02   fourth man and it was actually just like [TS]

00:09:04   this on memory yeah and the question is [TS]

00:09:06   who's the real fourth man and that's [TS]

00:09:07   when they have the the very last issue [TS]

00:09:09   which is sort of here and now the gang [TS]

00:09:10   is back together right and i have to [TS]

00:09:13   admit i love this series III love this [TS]

00:09:15   series as a whole but the last issue is [TS]

00:09:16   kind of problematic for me because it [TS]

00:09:18   feels a little bit too like the rear is [TS]

00:09:22   well it's like it's like a reunion just [TS]

00:09:23   like a seasoned it's like a cedar sonali [TS]

00:09:25   we're all shocked is getting married and [TS]

00:09:27   we brought back this guy from his [TS]

00:09:29   international totally how it felt to me [TS]

00:09:31   is it's the coda where we get to see [TS]

00:09:33   everybody and everybody gets a kind of [TS]

00:09:34   an ending and [TS]

00:09:35   and an ACN being a huge fan of time [TS]

00:09:38   travel all that meta discussion about [TS]

00:09:39   that was so the world could collapse in [TS]

00:09:42   time machine was built in and going into [TS]

00:09:44   kind of the pseudoscience of that is [TS]

00:09:46   awesome so create a speaking of crazy [TS]

00:09:48   one of the things that I thought was [TS]

00:09:50   really crazy as this idea that that is [TS]

00:09:53   based on some if not scientific facts [TS]

00:09:56   and some valid scientific theory which [TS]

00:09:59   is that they're you know it's a [TS]

00:10:01   snowflake in a several thousand [TS]

00:10:03   dimensional universe and that we're [TS]

00:10:04   actually not in a three-dimensional [TS]

00:10:06   universe but our holographic projection [TS]

00:10:08   on a two-dimensional universe i just [TS]

00:10:10   read a book which I mentioned on the [TS]

00:10:11   previous podcast by brian greene that's [TS]

00:10:14   about parallel universes that talks in [TS]

00:10:16   detail about this idea the holographic [TS]

00:10:18   theory that that three dimensions are [TS]

00:10:20   actually just an effect of a [TS]

00:10:23   two-dimensional surface and that's in [TS]

00:10:25   planetary throughout they keep talking [TS]

00:10:26   about the two-dimensional information [TS]

00:10:28   set and there are a bunch of a stack of [TS]

00:10:30   universes and it's pretty you can read [TS]

00:10:33   it as just being sort of like ridiculous [TS]

00:10:35   comic mumbo-jumbo except is actually [TS]

00:10:37   isn't and it's kind of fascinating on [TS]

00:10:39   the idea that the drummer kinda can tap [TS]

00:10:41   into the information source and that [TS]

00:10:43   they're all sort of the reason there are [TS]

00:10:45   the the century babies is because [TS]

00:10:48   they're kind of generated out of the [TS]

00:10:50   information playing in order to protect [TS]

00:10:51   things and be error correction and it's [TS]

00:10:54   it's it's crazy but it's not just like [TS]

00:10:57   ridiculous flight of fancy it there's [TS]

00:11:00   something to it it was that's the two [TS]

00:11:02   points with that the first is it a lot [TS]

00:11:05   of great writers are able to do that [TS]

00:11:06   sort of thing like the warren ellis alan [TS]

00:11:09   moore back to the original comic writers [TS]

00:11:11   in the sixties he doesn't like [TS]

00:11:13   Frankenstein Mary Shelley trans person [TS]

00:11:16   because the Invisibles has a lot of that [TS]

00:11:17   to where there's the extra dimensional [TS]

00:11:19   black brother extra their extra [TS]

00:11:23   dimensional worlds that are basically [TS]

00:11:24   pure information and a lot of what goes [TS]

00:11:25   on to the Invisibles comes down to who's [TS]

00:11:28   trying to control the information and [TS]

00:11:29   alter reality as we understand it and [TS]

00:11:31   the last issue of that series pretty [TS]

00:11:33   much ends with them having effectively [TS]

00:11:35   hacked reality change the whole world [TS]

00:11:37   perceptions and then the last the last [TS]

00:11:40   page is one of the characters holding [TS]

00:11:41   his hand and saying oh where we go what [TS]

00:11:43   we do and so when I was reading through [TS]

00:11:46   planetary over 10 years i would add [TS]

00:11:49   uh-huh I thought they were actually kind [TS]

00:11:52   of a lot of parallels to the Invisibles [TS]

00:11:53   in the sense that there are structures [TS]

00:11:55   within structures things that you can [TS]

00:11:56   perceive things outside your perception [TS]

00:11:58   and what happens this was something [TS]

00:11:59   outside your perception ships into your [TS]

00:12:00   perception it's dealing with the reality [TS]

00:12:02   Fallout and the i was reading some meta [TS]

00:12:05   stuff into it as well we're talking [TS]

00:12:07   about the the two dimensional planes 3d [TS]

00:12:10   people standing on them i was thinking [TS]

00:12:12   the two dimensional planes were the page [TS]

00:12:14   that i was looking at them on and that [TS]

00:12:16   information stack is the stack of papers [TS]

00:12:18   making up this comic book i'm reading [TS]

00:12:19   now and that they were sort of at some [TS]

00:12:21   level talking about where characters in [TS]

00:12:24   this book the same way grant narrow [TS]

00:12:26   Morrison always talks about characters [TS]

00:12:27   in a narrative and what makes it more [TS]

00:12:30   exciting is what you bring to it is i'm [TS]

00:12:32   excited about your idea because there's [TS]

00:12:33   what you bring to it as a reader to as [TS]

00:12:35   you're reading it you're also thinking [TS]

00:12:36   about different comics you've read and [TS]

00:12:38   have it all ties in so you're bringing [TS]

00:12:40   even more dimensions of information as [TS]

00:12:41   well and when I have to reach that level [TS]

00:12:44   there is not level to where they talk [TS]

00:12:45   about the though the realm of fiction [TS]

00:12:47   which is actually a little bit similar [TS]

00:12:49   to the the unwritten we talked about in [TS]

00:12:51   our first comic book club where there's [TS]

00:12:53   a realm of fiction and there's somebody [TS]

00:12:54   who comes out of it and they go back [TS]

00:12:56   into it there's like a universe that's [TS]

00:12:57   created and and they they tie that in at [TS]

00:13:00   the end and they say well you know if [TS]

00:13:02   you've got this kind of two-dimensional [TS]

00:13:03   Arizona of information from which [TS]

00:13:05   everything is all the universes are [TS]

00:13:07   generated then you're not just it's not [TS]

00:13:09   some necessarily fantastical land of [TS]

00:13:12   fiction it could you know writers create [TS]

00:13:14   a universe it could be a real universe [TS]

00:13:17   that created that it is reality it's not [TS]

00:13:20   just a flight of fancy [TS]

00:13:21   it's real which is which ties into that [TS]

00:13:24   which is a like I said crazy but it's [TS]

00:13:26   it's really cool [TS]

00:13:27   um time-travel you mentioned and that [TS]

00:13:30   was another on my list of things that I [TS]

00:13:31   i just took my head was like wow there's [TS]

00:13:33   so much here is so dense that you you [TS]

00:13:36   you mentioned it in in the finale [TS]

00:13:39   basically there's this whole idea about [TS]

00:13:42   you can create a time machine but when [TS]

00:13:46   you create a time machine [TS]

00:13:47   you can't travel further back than the [TS]

00:13:49   creation of the time machine which is an [TS]

00:13:51   idea i don't know if you guys have seen [TS]

00:13:53   the movie primer yep which is a [TS]

00:13:55   low-budget brilliant crazy also crazy [TS]

00:13:58   low-budget sci-fi movie about these [TS]

00:14:00   these guys in a office [TS]

00:14:02   parking rocks austin texas who build a [TS]

00:14:04   time machine invented a time machine and [TS]

00:14:06   it's a it's a you can watch it like 10 [TS]

00:14:09   times and still not know what's going on [TS]

00:14:11   because they keep on going back over [TS]

00:14:12   each others time lines but I that I [TS]

00:14:16   thought about that because it's a [TS]

00:14:17   similar kind of premise but what they [TS]

00:14:18   take it to is the next level and say [TS]

00:14:20   right now it's all possibilities but [TS]

00:14:23   once you create a time machine it [TS]

00:14:25   flattens all the possibilities and just [TS]

00:14:27   creates a single true reality because [TS]

00:14:30   they can all travel back and and they [TS]

00:14:32   all will travel back to the earliest [TS]

00:14:34   point they can and you know there's no [TS]

00:14:37   real resolution to that other than maybe [TS]

00:14:38   that's not the way it works and Elijah [TS]

00:14:40   snow doesn't care he's gonna we're gonna [TS]

00:14:42   do the time-traveling anyway and then [TS]

00:14:43   suddenly analogues of themselves [TS]

00:14:46   dozens of analogs of themselves from the [TS]

00:14:48   future appear to watch them as soon as [TS]

00:14:50   he presses the button which is you know [TS]

00:14:52   a great scene again i'm not quite sure [TS]

00:14:54   whether I parsed how much sense it makes [TS]

00:14:57   or not but it's sort of chilling to [TS]

00:14:59   watch it in a way that the way they are [TS]

00:15:01   laid out very very artfully about how [TS]

00:15:03   they do the time sequence where you see [TS]

00:15:05   them appear which I was impressed [TS]

00:15:07   throughout i think that the the way that [TS]

00:15:09   it's the way that it's drawn in the way [TS]

00:15:10   the sequence of the panel's even our are [TS]

00:15:13   so cinematic and that there's lightning [TS]

00:15:15   is really i mean sometimes there's a [TS]

00:15:18   page in one of the latter issues which i [TS]

00:15:20   thought you know this is just brilliant [TS]

00:15:22   timing it's four panels and the dialogue [TS]

00:15:25   is on the third panel and it's entirely [TS]

00:15:27   built so that you have that pause where [TS]

00:15:29   where [TS]

00:15:30   pause for the joke and then the joke [TS]

00:15:32   it's or the punchline um kind of amazing [TS]

00:15:35   but the time travel was the one that [TS]

00:15:37   really impressed me there and I read [TS]

00:15:38   that seen similar to when we did the [TS]

00:15:43   first nuclear bomb tests and there was a [TS]

00:15:45   very real possibility that there be a [TS]

00:15:48   chain reaction and it would ignite the [TS]

00:15:50   atmosphere and all life on earth would [TS]

00:15:51   end and you know they thought it was [TS]

00:15:54   worth the risk and Elijah snow knowing [TS]

00:15:57   that during the time machine [TS]

00:15:59   there's a very real possibility flattens [TS]

00:16:01   all of reality and the universe [TS]

00:16:03   attention implodes and everything is [TS]

00:16:05   over the minute you turn on the time [TS]

00:16:07   machine but it was worth the risk to [TS]

00:16:09   save the third yeah and he was like I [TS]

00:16:12   don't care [TS]

00:16:13   push the button and it turns out they [TS]

00:16:15   were wrong [TS]

00:16:16   to yeah right right he would take the [TS]

00:16:18   risk and that was just great i mean it [TS]

00:16:20   is feel like a series finale but I a and [TS]

00:16:22   it's weird because the main arc is over [TS]

00:16:24   but at the same time I kinda like the [TS]

00:16:25   the whole idea of its a guy who can [TS]

00:16:28   control physics and so he stops time and [TS]

00:16:30   he creates a little bubble bubble where [TS]

00:16:31   time doesn't move but how do you get him [TS]

00:16:34   out of it if you can't go into it [TS]

00:16:36   because there's no time inside the [TS]

00:16:37   bubble and so it was like well now that [TS]

00:16:39   we've had the end of our series and [TS]

00:16:41   we've reached this exalted position [TS]

00:16:43   what do we do there and rather than take [TS]

00:16:46   that you know for another 20 issues over [TS]

00:16:48   the next 50 years they decide well [TS]

00:16:51   here's an example of the kind of stuff [TS]

00:16:52   that is in the life of planetary now [TS]

00:16:54   that they've defeated the four is [TS]

00:16:55   they're gonna do stuff crazy stuff like [TS]

00:16:57   this and you can kind of only imagine [TS]

00:16:59   what other crazy stuff they do when you [TS]

00:17:01   the one not one but one of the redeeming [TS]

00:17:04   graces of the last issue tues at one [TS]

00:17:07   level planetary is also about Elijah [TS]

00:17:08   snow emotional journey right because [TS]

00:17:12   either he deliberately regress tour [TS]

00:17:14   there was something kind of broken him [TS]

00:17:16   when he did agree to be mindwiped by the [TS]

00:17:17   four and over the course of the series [TS]

00:17:20   you find out the things that drove the [TS]

00:17:22   young man the heartbreak he endured with [TS]

00:17:25   to keep his mom and by the end of it [TS]

00:17:28   he's the kind of guy who's like I have [TS]

00:17:29   no problem like the University it means [TS]

00:17:31   saving a friend and that's something [TS]

00:17:33   that Elijah snow would probably not have [TS]

00:17:36   done it earlier points in the in this in [TS]

00:17:37   the story but over the course of 26 [TS]

00:17:39   issues you see how he begins to put in [TS]

00:17:44   heavy emotional lifting and work on on [TS]

00:17:46   how i feel about these people that I'm [TS]

00:17:47   working with and and what kind of steak [TS]

00:17:49   do I haven't been in their happiness in [TS]

00:17:51   mind and they comment on that [TS]

00:17:52   like that whole last issue all of his [TS]

00:17:53   friends are actually the last couple [TS]

00:17:55   issues friends are like all right he's [TS]

00:17:56   changed so much but they were kind of [TS]

00:17:58   afraid right him and what he's seen so [TS]

00:18:00   much the mind wipe and he says no no you [TS]

00:18:03   know i have changed but that's not why [TS]

00:18:05   yeah right yeah and it's actually one of [TS]

00:18:08   the one of the characteristics about [TS]

00:18:11   wildstorm I always felt is that it's not [TS]

00:18:14   a warm and mushy type of universe is not [TS]

00:18:16   overly emotional or filled with a lot of [TS]

00:18:18   sincerity it's it's characterized by [TS]

00:18:20   kind of a reflexive irony and grim sense [TS]

00:18:22   of purpose and that can be a lot of fun [TS]

00:18:24   to read for example when they had storm [TS]

00:18:26   watches a series of the the [TS]

00:18:29   a dialog and the the crazy ambitions [TS]

00:18:32   people had were two of the feelings with [TS]

00:18:34   the characters about storm watches the [TS]

00:18:36   storm watches with Christian Sabbath or [TS]

00:18:38   authority right and then an authority [TS]

00:18:40   you have one of the things that was [TS]

00:18:42   driving that was the rock-hard [TS]

00:18:43   conviction all the characters that hey [TS]

00:18:45   we're superheroes we we can clean up the [TS]

00:18:47   world and no one's going to stop us so [TS]

00:18:49   let's do it which is actually one of the [TS]

00:18:50   reasons why i wasn't disappointed at one [TS]

00:18:52   point at which planetary ends yeah [TS]

00:18:55   because you could do it another series [TS]

00:18:57   about what happens when they read reach [TS]

00:18:58   that exalted position if they did it and [TS]

00:19:00   it's the authority that's what that's [TS]

00:19:02   about [TS]

00:19:02   yeah right one is also that in this case [TS]

00:19:04   the ones who had reached an exalted [TS]

00:19:06   position where the four right and [TS]

00:19:08   initially it was in right because they [TS]

00:19:11   make this deal in the morning race to [TS]

00:19:13   that will return our planets growth rate [TS]

00:19:15   lock twist and we'll set you guys up and [TS]

00:19:17   we'll set it up for easy invasion and oh [TS]

00:19:18   by the way let's without another planets [TS]

00:19:20   population to store our weapons right [TS]

00:19:22   like that's one of the most indelible [TS]

00:19:24   panels of the series for me is when [TS]

00:19:26   they're standing and they realize that [TS]

00:19:27   they're just standing in a sea of bones [TS]

00:19:29   because the four had such contempt for [TS]

00:19:32   life of any form they couldn't even be [TS]

00:19:33   bothered to clean up their mess they [TS]

00:19:35   just left it right there and right but [TS]

00:19:37   in a way because one else created the [TS]

00:19:39   authority as well yes and you know in [TS]

00:19:42   some ways I think planetary was a almost [TS]

00:19:45   an admission that if the authority [TS]

00:19:46   existed like the four ya another group [TS]

00:19:49   would have to take them now like that [TS]

00:19:50   you can't be allowed to continue [TS]

00:19:52   there's a planetary authority crossover [TS]

00:19:54   just there is one option yep and you see [TS]

00:19:58   that the authority has turned into just [TS]

00:20:00   this horrible collection of cyborgs and [TS]

00:20:02   Lynn reptilian figures that goes from [TS]

00:20:05   universe to universe destroying the [TS]

00:20:07   planetary organization everywhere it [TS]

00:20:09   goes huh [TS]

00:20:10   and so in planetary finally shuts them [TS]

00:20:12   down so it does play out that tension [TS]

00:20:15   between unchecked power versus idealism [TS]

00:20:18   but you know looking back round the [TS]

00:20:20   original point actually think I'm [TS]

00:20:21   planetary is one of the most humane [TS]

00:20:22   books when you think about it in the [TS]

00:20:24   wild storm universe because again you've [TS]

00:20:26   got people who are doing things added a [TS]

00:20:29   genuine sense of compassion and [TS]

00:20:31   curiosity and wonder as opposed to I can [TS]

00:20:33   shoot fire from my fingertips [TS]

00:20:35   how can I use this against genocidal [TS]

00:20:37   dictators right there is that the the [TS]

00:20:39   whole idea of an archaeologist and there [TS]

00:20:41   is a detachment and the [TS]

00:20:42   sort of observation of of that all that [TS]

00:20:45   kind of cynicism and we've you know we [TS]

00:20:48   found this woman who came to save [TS]

00:20:50   mankind so we kill her [TS]

00:20:52   yeah like they the book and get that [TS]

00:20:53   across but not lose any of that hope [TS]

00:20:55   your idealism because the characters who [TS]

00:20:57   are sort of discovering this are doing [TS]

00:20:59   it from the outside [TS]

00:21:00   Yeah right there their job is to me the [TS]

00:21:03   story arc is a hole right you start [TS]

00:21:05   their job is done on earth the the [TS]

00:21:08   evidence of what happened and observe it [TS]

00:21:10   right and and the story arc really comes [TS]

00:21:14   from the fact that by collecting all of [TS]

00:21:16   that information their route something [TS]

00:21:18   is revealed that they can't not take [TS]

00:21:21   action so so you know in the end they [TS]

00:21:24   can't be just observers of this stuff [TS]

00:21:27   but that's sort of the initial thing is [TS]

00:21:28   that you know they're not they're not [TS]

00:21:29   really rendering judgment they are just [TS]

00:21:31   discovering what happened and then [TS]

00:21:33   putting into their planetary guides [TS]

00:21:34   right right we should then accumulates [TS]

00:21:37   to the point where it becomes quite [TS]

00:21:39   clear that something is going on that [TS]

00:21:42   they need to do something about it and [TS]

00:21:43   that kicks off the ark it's quite clever [TS]

00:21:45   because you you think what you're seeing [TS]

00:21:47   is almost an anthology series and then [TS]

00:21:50   it turns out that it's actually you've [TS]

00:21:52   actually been seeing huge just seeds of [TS]

00:21:54   story arc that will then largely get [TS]

00:21:57   paid off right i mean it [TS]

00:21:58   most of that stuff does get paid off its [TS]

00:22:00   not just sort of there for fun generally [TS]

00:22:02   you get toward the end of an issue and [TS]

00:22:04   you realize oh that's why the story is [TS]

00:22:06   important instead of just being like [TS]

00:22:08   well that was interesting as an huh well [TS]

00:22:11   with the spaceship is my favorite where [TS]

00:22:13   they send the thing character away [TS]

00:22:15   well and not just that you've got the [TS]

00:22:17   guy who agrees to basically give up his [TS]

00:22:19   humanity in his life to write to steer [TS]

00:22:22   the ship as well and even when they do [TS]

00:22:24   do that the issue where they said that [TS]

00:22:25   thing away they have the recording [TS]

00:22:26   angels who are going to go to their [TS]

00:22:29   deaths and all the all the expresses [TS]

00:22:32   gratitude for the opportunity to be able [TS]

00:22:34   to record the experiences they go and [TS]

00:22:35   there's all these little humbling [TS]

00:22:36   moments that are just scattered to the [TS]

00:22:38   whole series where the there's kind of a [TS]

00:22:41   sense of joy of discovery throughout it [TS]

00:22:43   where we have all these people who were [TS]

00:22:45   like yes they're all this is not the [TS]

00:22:47   life I would've chosen but think about [TS]

00:22:48   what I'm going to get out of what I'm [TS]

00:22:50   doing now and it's incredibly optimistic [TS]

00:22:52   it is [TS]

00:22:53   yeah you know for those [TS]

00:22:56   I I imagine they're probably some people [TS]

00:22:57   listening I would cut quite who haven't [TS]

00:22:59   read it yet and that's okay because I [TS]

00:23:02   mean hey the good guys one of the end [TS]

00:23:03   big shock but home but how they do it is [TS]

00:23:06   it really is about the journey what I'd [TS]

00:23:08   say is that this is this book really [TS]

00:23:10   hits the sweet spot if you're somebody [TS]

00:23:12   who likes superhero comics and likes the [TS]

00:23:17   kind of sci-fi website my comics or [TS]

00:23:19   other side kind of sci-fi stuff which i [TS]

00:23:22   always i was loved to and for me this is [TS]

00:23:25   this great combination of that because [TS]

00:23:27   they are these crazy science fictional [TS]

00:23:29   concepts throughout and yet it's also [TS]

00:23:31   all about iconic heroes not just [TS]

00:23:33   superheroes but you know like The Lone [TS]

00:23:35   Ranger and things like that too and [TS]

00:23:37   Tarzan and you put it all together in a [TS]

00:23:39   in a blender and it's you know it's a [TS]

00:23:41   great combination to get both of those [TS]

00:23:42   things I think it would appeal to people [TS]

00:23:44   who like some of those sort of mysteries [TS]

00:23:46   like x-files or lost because there is [TS]

00:23:49   that that that discovery aspect in that [TS]

00:23:52   on yelling kind of always think this is [TS]

00:23:54   almost the x-files done right where [TS]

00:23:55   you've got the you've got the soft [TS]

00:23:57   contains stories but there's a myth in [TS]

00:23:59   an origin story that artists throughout [TS]

00:24:00   and there's an actual satisfying pay off [TS]

00:24:02   as opposed to and now we ended in a cave [TS]

00:24:04   yeah right lost its like lost in the [TS]

00:24:06   sense that that all the TV shows that [TS]

00:24:09   try to replicate lost made a mistake of [TS]

00:24:10   having crazy sci-fi art stuff happened [TS]

00:24:12   in the first episode we at with lots of [TS]

00:24:14   time discontinuities and stuff like that [TS]

00:24:16   and if you look at the first season of [TS]

00:24:17   lost what got people hooked on lost is [TS]

00:24:19   that it was slow there were very few [TS]

00:24:22   genre things introduced at all and it [TS]

00:24:25   was all about characters and telling [TS]

00:24:26   stories and then they would continually [TS]

00:24:29   Ratchet it up and you know and they lost [TS]

00:24:31   some people and other people in the [TS]

00:24:32   audience stayed fair you know there's a [TS]

00:24:34   whole argument to be made about lost in [TS]

00:24:36   a different podcast but that's what [TS]

00:24:38   struck me about planetary I now that you [TS]

00:24:40   mention it is it it takes its time like [TS]

00:24:44   that and whatnot you don't you don't say [TS]

00:24:46   this is going to be a complicated story [TS]

00:24:47   arc about this group and this group [TS]

00:24:49   battling each other over the fate of the [TS]

00:24:51   planet instead you say hey there's this [TS]

00:24:53   group who learned these interesting [TS]

00:24:54   stories we're going to tell those [TS]

00:24:56   stories and then as you see the stories [TS]

00:24:57   it starts to come together and you [TS]

00:24:59   realize there is something bigger that [TS]

00:25:00   you know that sort of stealth approach [TS]

00:25:02   if you did the story you're reading is [TS]

00:25:04   not a story you think you're reading so [TS]

00:25:06   much more effective and you know I go [TS]

00:25:08   back to the lost knock [TS]

00:25:09   I swear they didn't get it that you know [TS]

00:25:11   go jumping to the end doesn't make you [TS]

00:25:14   get to satisfaction faster it destroys [TS]

00:25:17   all the satisfaction because you you [TS]

00:25:19   know you don't have that moment of [TS]

00:25:20   discovery because I freely admit as a [TS]

00:25:22   reader reading the back third planetary [TS]

00:25:23   was really really exciting I mean I got [TS]

00:25:25   into a pretty much when it started and [TS]

00:25:27   1600 it's fun to read whatever but when [TS]

00:25:30   i would say in the last six or seven [TS]

00:25:32   issues for coming out i was i would [TS]

00:25:33   practically skip home from the comic [TS]

00:25:35   book store because I was just so excited [TS]

00:25:37   to see what the payoffs would be those [TS]

00:25:38   last six issues came out over the course [TS]

00:25:40   of seven years [TS]

00:25:41   yes it was but it was the race between [TS]

00:25:45   that and rising star is honestly to see [TS]

00:25:47   which one would address so i was so [TS]

00:25:49   bitter about that but it was the if [TS]

00:25:53   reading through that series is so [TS]

00:25:55   satisfying especially if you did sink in [TS]

00:25:56   again ten years by the time you're at [TS]

00:25:58   the end of it you're like oh my gosh [TS]

00:26:00   they think they've pulled this reference [TS]

00:26:02   out they've tried this back in and you [TS]

00:26:03   see all these pieces fall into place and [TS]

00:26:06   i'm not sure how much of that is a side [TS]

00:26:08   effect of well they've had this leisure [TS]

00:26:09   of time and space to wrap things up and [TS]

00:26:11   really thinking through and how much of [TS]

00:26:12   it they had planned out and then [TS]

00:26:15   surprise other projects got in the way [TS]

00:26:17   but either way it makes for really [TS]

00:26:19   gratifying experiences a reader it [TS]

00:26:21   didn't I would think of all the comics [TS]

00:26:23   I've read and then when you are asked [TS]

00:26:25   that desert island question if you have [TS]

00:26:27   one series you know for the rest of your [TS]

00:26:29   life this is the only comic you're ever [TS]

00:26:30   going to read I think planetary would be [TS]

00:26:32   it [TS]

00:26:33   wow it to meet has certainly a lot there [TS]

00:26:35   right a lot they're entering the the [TS]

00:26:37   tone was just so pitch perfect and [TS]

00:26:39   you're talking about it earlier with [TS]

00:26:40   like the art and the pacing in this [TS]

00:26:43   cinematic miss of the whole thing it's [TS]

00:26:44   just pitch perfect tone and it's so [TS]

00:26:47   beautiful to look at I mean Cassidy's [TS]

00:26:48   art is just sublime that he's great i [TS]

00:26:51   recommend buying it in the the two [TS]

00:26:53   absolute collection CM because then you [TS]

00:26:55   have the large oversized start it's just [TS]

00:26:57   gorgeous and the good news is when you [TS]

00:26:58   order those they come and they don't [TS]

00:27:00   wait 10 years right [TS]

00:27:01   that's seriously from for those who who [TS]

00:27:04   didn't see it all the way through [TS]

00:27:06   now you can just watch it I mean that [TS]

00:27:08   that is the advantage of of waiting the [TS]

00:27:11   disadvantages that you don't get to see [TS]

00:27:12   a while it's happening because you can [TS]

00:27:14   get it all wrapped up [TS]

00:27:15   that was my philosophy my stock much [TS]

00:27:17   battlestar galactica was I wanted to [TS]

00:27:19   make sure the whole series wrapped up [TS]

00:27:20   and people are satisfied with it before [TS]

00:27:21   it started [TS]

00:27:22   did wrap-up and some people were [TS]

00:27:25   satisfied and some people some people [TS]

00:27:28   well I say that about loss to write lost [TS]

00:27:30   wrapped up in a lot of people were [TS]

00:27:31   dissatisfied I thought it was both of [TS]

00:27:33   those series I thought the last season [TS]

00:27:34   was a disappointment and at the end i [TS]

00:27:37   thought you know i wasn't as down on the [TS]

00:27:39   end I I guess I must be forgiving of [TS]

00:27:42   series finales because you know it's [TS]

00:27:45   tough to do a big finish and I didn't [TS]

00:27:46   think they completely either of them [TS]

00:27:47   completely blue and I thought the state [TS]

00:27:49   i thought that the last episodes of both [TS]

00:27:51   of those shows were were maybe good unto [TS]

00:27:54   themselves but perhaps failed in living [TS]

00:27:57   up to the series that came before so [TS]

00:27:59   that as an episode was like oh I see [TS]

00:28:01   it's not a bad way to end it but you [TS]

00:28:03   know then I'll look back on all the [TS]

00:28:04   stuff that they had set up and and and [TS]

00:28:06   then you kind of get disappointed by it [TS]

00:28:07   bindings are really really hard they're [TS]

00:28:09   really hard because witnesses talking [TS]

00:28:11   about the very last issue of planetary [TS]

00:28:12   right but to me although it's the [TS]

00:28:14   next-to-last issue that sort of the [TS]

00:28:16   climax right here in the last issue is [TS]

00:28:18   cool that the the next-to-last issue [TS]

00:28:20   I you know the kind of wrap up the whole [TS]

00:28:22   story arc in 33 pages right that's where [TS]

00:28:25   there's a he snaps his fingers dropped [TS]

00:28:27   the body and write that I don't know [TS]

00:28:29   what the the last two members of the [TS]

00:28:31   four were dispatched a little too easily [TS]

00:28:34   considering how built up it was for so [TS]

00:28:36   long I felt an unbeatable enemy right [TS]

00:28:39   that but he has a plan exactly which is [TS]

00:28:42   it is interesting thing about the [TS]

00:28:43   character the entire time allows us know [TS]

00:28:45   once he figures out who he is that he is [TS]

00:28:49   the guy with the plan [TS]

00:28:50   yeah I'm and things through the angles [TS]

00:28:52   and and at the end is willing to take [TS]

00:28:54   risks but it did seem those last three [TS]

00:28:57   pages of the the second-to-last issue [TS]

00:28:59   kind of was oh they need to wrap this up [TS]

00:29:03   because they're ready to end the series [TS]

00:29:04   right and kind of abrupt it was abrupt [TS]

00:29:07   the that's why i was happy that they had [TS]

00:29:09   the last issue because the last issue [TS]

00:29:11   actually redeemed a lot of it because I [TS]

00:29:13   got to see sort of the aftermath and if [TS]

00:29:15   it had just ended with that you know [TS]

00:29:17   that the final resolution it would have [TS]

00:29:19   been actually a real downer because it's [TS]

00:29:22   been like really that's it and now [TS]

00:29:23   you're done that's the whole that's how [TS]

00:29:24   you tell the story right because it [TS]

00:29:27   doesn't generally resolve Elijah's arc [TS]

00:29:29   right i mean you need to see his [TS]

00:29:30   emotional resolutions hit in the last [TS]

00:29:32   issue and to me that's the last issue i [TS]

00:29:34   liked so much more than this [TS]

00:29:36   second-to-last way which is a nice trick [TS]

00:29:39   right they so they didn't quite stick [TS]

00:29:40   the ending but it wasn't the ending they [TS]

00:29:42   got to do a little bit more as like Lord [TS]

00:29:45   of the Rings there are several and like [TS]

00:29:48   your adventure with the endings you're [TS]

00:29:49   not quite that bad right [TS]

00:29:51   I don't know because it made sense there [TS]

00:29:53   without it there was the plot ending in [TS]

00:29:55   a second to last issue where they [TS]

00:29:57   dispatch the bad guys and then the sort [TS]

00:30:00   of more emotional character arc ending [TS]

00:30:02   of the last issue right if you view the [TS]

00:30:05   next-to-last issue from the character [TS]

00:30:07   perspective that's about the other two [TS]

00:30:09   members of planetary coming to accept [TS]

00:30:14   that Elijah is gonna do what he's gonna [TS]

00:30:17   do when they need to trust him [TS]

00:30:18   yeah that's that's the the character [TS]

00:30:20   thing that happens in that episode is [TS]

00:30:22   like we're gonna I you know we're going [TS]

00:30:24   to invest our trust in this guy and it [TS]

00:30:27   pays off [TS]

00:30:28   you know but plot-wise yeah it was it's [TS]

00:30:31   always the danger that women biggest [TS]

00:30:32   danger on on TV shows to you know with [TS]

00:30:35   this happened are you a lot you create [TS]

00:30:37   this huge villain you know dr. Buffy [TS]

00:30:40   means having lots of TV shows huge big [TS]

00:30:42   bad you build them up and then you got [TS]

00:30:45   to resolve it and unless you will have [TS]

00:30:48   an incredibly ambitious you know [TS]

00:30:50   multi-part TV episode or issue or [TS]

00:30:52   whatever you know teardown takedown of [TS]

00:30:55   that big bad if you're doing it you know [TS]

00:30:58   in in the rear regular format it's going [TS]

00:31:00   to be yeah 56 pages of the takedown the [TS]

00:31:02   and you're always almost always left [TS]

00:31:04   with wondering how big and bad were they [TS]

00:31:07   if that's what this is it what you want [TS]

00:31:09   and you get this like on the what's [TS]

00:31:11   widely considered one of the best [TS]

00:31:12   episodes of Doctor Who that Castro lava [TS]

00:31:14   which dispatch the fifth doctor [TS]

00:31:17   oh no caves of Androzani case of a yes [TS]

00:31:19   thank you yeah managers on everybody [TS]

00:31:21   dies right well I think that's something [TS]

00:31:22   like if you that it's not about taking [TS]

00:31:25   down the bad guy or how fast or how hard [TS]

00:31:27   it's what were the consequences if you [TS]

00:31:29   brought up the bad guy there has to be [TS]

00:31:31   consequences there has to be sacrifices [TS]

00:31:33   and actually really thats they're doing [TS]

00:31:35   this in fables though where they have [TS]

00:31:37   the war and they dispatched the the big [TS]

00:31:39   bad Emperor the the enemy and Bill [TS]

00:31:42   Willingham has been basically playing [TS]

00:31:44   out what happens afterward where people [TS]

00:31:46   are like okay the photo was conquered [TS]

00:31:47   oak rap what we do now [TS]

00:31:50   recommendation building is really hard [TS]

00:31:51   yeah and and if you had a sense of [TS]

00:31:53   purpose where my sense of purpose is to [TS]

00:31:55   vanquish this evil force and all of a [TS]

00:31:57   sudden the force is gone and there's [TS]

00:31:59   still these things that are broken in [TS]

00:32:00   your life you have nothing to blame that [TS]

00:32:03   those problems on anymore so what do you [TS]

00:32:04   do and you know i'm i'm i'm delighted by [TS]

00:32:09   what they're doing with fables right now [TS]

00:32:10   and in that sense where against the [TS]

00:32:12   nation building there's always different [TS]

00:32:13   factions that are not either coalescing [TS]

00:32:15   are splitting apart as people try to [TS]

00:32:17   regain their moral footing and try to [TS]

00:32:19   reconfigure their futures and I wish [TS]

00:32:22   more comic books would do that or or [TS]

00:32:24   more or more series in general because [TS]

00:32:26   as you said so many times it's we have [TS]

00:32:28   this this force that we have two more [TS]

00:32:29   this person we have to vanquish that we [TS]

00:32:32   have triumphed and smash cut fade to [TS]

00:32:34   black as opposed to tonight we have [TS]

00:32:36   triumphed and then along comes an [TS]

00:32:37   insurance adjuster who's like okay and [TS]

00:32:39   who's gonna clean all this up [TS]

00:32:40   well actually one of the things I liked [TS]

00:32:43   about Babylon 5 which I watched [TS]

00:32:46   religiously was they had a couple of [TS]

00:32:50   story resolutions in the middle [TS]

00:32:52   basically the end of the third year they [TS]

00:32:54   resolve this entire story arc with the [TS]

00:32:56   earth government being you know turning [TS]

00:32:59   into a kind of a dictatorship and what [TS]

00:33:02   was interesting about that is that they [TS]

00:33:03   that allowed them to play out what the [TS]

00:33:05   aftermath of that was and then I think [TS]

00:33:07   more or less by accident they ended up [TS]

00:33:09   rushing their story resolution and their [TS]

00:33:11   fourth year because they were afraid [TS]

00:33:12   they were gonna be cancelled and they [TS]

00:33:14   got a fifth-year was a great season but [TS]

00:33:17   it was still kind of fascinating in the [TS]

00:33:19   sense that it was about what happens [TS]

00:33:21   when the battles that you spent the last [TS]

00:33:22   years fighting are over and it's what [TS]

00:33:25   you're left with is a mess and you're [TS]

00:33:27   the ones who have inherited it how do [TS]

00:33:29   you put it back together and they didn't [TS]

00:33:31   you know the execution of that wasn't so [TS]

00:33:32   great but the execution of the aftermath [TS]

00:33:34   of the the Civil War episodes they did [TS]

00:33:36   actually pretty pretty cool and I like [TS]

00:33:38   that approach of saying you know when [TS]

00:33:40   the when when the big bad is defeated [TS]

00:33:43   it's not the end it's the beginning and [TS]

00:33:46   the some of the best drama isn't how you [TS]

00:33:48   cope with the aftermath and so this and [TS]

00:33:50   like he always did that to where they [TS]

00:33:52   would usually have the big bad defeated [TS]

00:33:54   in the penultimate episode of the season [TS]

00:33:55   and in the last episode was you know [TS]

00:33:57   rather than doing a season-ending [TS]

00:33:58   cliffhanger they did that sometimes but [TS]

00:33:59   they also did it where the last episode [TS]

00:34:01   was the fallout it was it was a [TS]

00:34:03   the characters like planetary and not [TS]

00:34:05   really about the the story arc which I [TS]

00:34:07   already was going to point out in [TS]

00:34:09   planetary they don't just barely do that [TS]

00:34:10   as well then because they the last issue [TS]

00:34:14   doesn't deal with the aftermath of what [TS]

00:34:15   is community do now they're not being [TS]

00:34:17   repressed anymore [TS]

00:34:20   it deals more with the individual [TS]

00:34:21   characters and right [TS]

00:34:23   however they change right but like I [TS]

00:34:24   said I'm sorry for land i sort of feel [TS]

00:34:26   like those themes were so we're so done [TS]

00:34:28   in the authority that it's almost like [TS]

00:34:30   they were saying well you know we're not [TS]

00:34:33   gonna talk about that here that would be [TS]

00:34:35   at that's a whole other that's a whole [TS]

00:34:36   other series also don't think we don't [TS]

00:34:38   have a really strong narrative tradition [TS]

00:34:39   in in serial drama of any type that deal [TS]

00:34:43   look deals with the aftermath I mean [TS]

00:34:45   most of the strength of narrow of serial [TS]

00:34:47   drama tends to be here is a situation [TS]

00:34:48   here is an antagonist here is how we [TS]

00:34:51   build our case and here's how we will [TS]

00:34:52   ultimately prevail and the series ends [TS]

00:34:55   but you never have one that starts off [TS]

00:34:56   with well we've got a mess we we no [TS]

00:34:59   longer have a common enemy so how are we [TS]

00:35:01   supposed to bond with each other [TS]

00:35:03   there was a peter david has a comic [TS]

00:35:06   writer Ellie Alex other things [TS]

00:35:07   xfactor i love his ex factor yeah he [TS]

00:35:09   will he wrote a series of Star Trek [TS]

00:35:11   novels called the new frontier and was [TS]

00:35:14   like a whole different crew and stuff [TS]

00:35:15   and with the interesting thing was the [TS]

00:35:17   main character the captain was from this [TS]

00:35:19   planet or something and he his people [TS]

00:35:24   were slaves or something and he'd led a [TS]

00:35:26   rebellion on the planet when he was like [TS]

00:35:27   20 21 and became the whole leader of [TS]

00:35:30   this rebellion that overthrew this [TS]

00:35:31   entire empire that had been there [TS]

00:35:33   forever and you follow that up and then [TS]

00:35:36   the the joint Starfleet poorly he he [TS]

00:35:39   tried anything because essentially like [TS]

00:35:41   his life had peaked at ya 21 and now he [TS]

00:35:43   was in his forties and you know he [TS]

00:35:45   wasn't part of the government he wasn't [TS]

00:35:47   that wasn't his thing and I those [TS]

00:35:51   aspects of the character were so [TS]

00:35:52   interesting to me because it was sort of [TS]

00:35:54   what do you do after yeah you've you've [TS]

00:35:57   done this [TS]

00:35:58   yeah how do you top it where you go on [TS]

00:35:59   with your life and and the thing that [TS]

00:36:01   you succeeded at is done and they don't [TS]

00:36:03   need that anymore [TS]

00:36:04   yeah i think it's now president [TS]

00:36:06   president mean George Washington [TS]

00:36:08   thumbs-up good job is generally the guy [TS]

00:36:10   who leads the revolution is probably not [TS]

00:36:13   who you want as your leader after a [TS]

00:36:15   razor revolution right [TS]

00:36:17   what he's good at it yeah they're good [TS]

00:36:19   at the the you know organizing the [TS]

00:36:21   factions and and for overthrowing the [TS]

00:36:23   bad guys not necessarily governing I'd [TS]

00:36:26   love to see a series about someone who's [TS]

00:36:27   trying to figure out what the heck [TS]

00:36:29   they're doing now that the revolutions [TS]

00:36:30   over or now that they vanquished um I'd [TS]

00:36:33   read The Hunger Games that the Y a [TS]

00:36:35   trilogy while i was on maternity leave [TS]

00:36:36   and then I went and read other people's [TS]

00:36:38   reactions to that book and a lot of [TS]

00:36:40   people really hated the ending of the [TS]

00:36:42   third book which makes total sense from [TS]

00:36:46   a purely logical and practical [TS]

00:36:47   perspective I feel like we should do the [TS]

00:36:49   spoiler horn for this too I can hear the [TS]

00:36:51   spoiler horn now [TS]

00:36:54   she lives but she basically has put out [TS]

00:36:58   to pasture by the government because [TS]

00:36:59   she's no longer politically useful and [TS]

00:37:00   she goes back to her village needs a [TS]

00:37:02   very quiet life and people are [TS]

00:37:03   complaining all my god and i thought no [TS]

00:37:05   this makes perfect sense you have a [TS]

00:37:06   highly unstable 17 year old killer [TS]

00:37:09   you're not gonna make her the minister [TS]

00:37:11   of culture [TS]

00:37:12   I mean you're basically going to make [TS]

00:37:14   sure that she can't embarrass you and [TS]

00:37:16   and be sure to wish you don't [TS]

00:37:17   necessarily want to be in that position [TS]

00:37:18   anywhere she really messed up and we can [TS]

00:37:21   just go home but it's it's winston [TS]

00:37:23   churchill like this happens in the real [TS]

00:37:25   world in a minute world war two was over [TS]

00:37:27   they got rid of him [TS]

00:37:29   oh yeah they came back later but it was [TS]

00:37:30   pretty disasters i said you know I [TS]

00:37:33   vaguely remember i read a book of [TS]

00:37:35   British history also maternity leave but [TS]

00:37:36   that's just a big Pink's there to arrive [TS]

00:37:38   blur everything which people in it [TS]

00:37:40   that's how we know something about a [TS]

00:37:42   blitz no apparently yeah but maybe that [TS]

00:37:46   is a strength of this series is that [TS]

00:37:47   they really don't show you that the [TS]

00:37:48   cleanup effort is at words it's it's [TS]

00:37:50   just it's one man's emotional journey [TS]

00:37:52   from point A to point B he creates the [TS]

00:37:54   surrogate family and oh by the way they [TS]

00:37:56   happen to overflow the sinister cabal [TS]

00:37:58   that's been 40 humanity's progress 119 [TS]

00:38:01   immortal super-powered man's emotional [TS]

00:38:04   hey I guess what's gonna happen to him [TS]

00:38:06   now it is the 21st century so is he just [TS]

00:38:08   going to keep on going [TS]

00:38:10   evidently he see dual century to century [TS]

00:38:12   guy while he's he's supposed to be the [TS]

00:38:14   ghost of the 20th century which I always [TS]

00:38:16   felt was like a nice cheat where they [TS]

00:38:17   could say he lives on me because he's [TS]

00:38:20   the ghost of the 2000s watching guy [TS]

00:38:21   yeah because back in my day that's right [TS]

00:38:23   ballparks dies and she the jet engine [TS]

00:38:26   stops dead and turn of the century yet [TS]

00:38:27   another shitty quantum and they had a [TS]

00:38:29   plotline think authority where they went [TS]

00:38:31   back and they got to meet Jimmy fire and [TS]

00:38:32   Jenny steam engine ecole power and data [TS]

00:38:35   not Jenny coal power which any fire was [TS]

00:38:39   a cro-magnon which I thought was just [TS]

00:38:41   delightful [TS]

00:38:41   Jenny Jenny paddlewheel they believe [TS]

00:38:45   that they may have actually had [TS]

00:38:46   something like that the idea was that [TS]

00:38:47   all of that the cognitive and [TS]

00:38:49   technological leaps that shape [TS]

00:38:50   civilization there was there was a [TS]

00:38:52   general like figured that helped put all [TS]

00:38:54   the pieces together the concept behind [TS]

00:38:55   that the planet is a sort of living [TS]

00:38:58   organisms that creates the creatures on [TS]

00:39:01   it in a way and that the planetary [TS]

00:39:02   defense system is these century babies [TS]

00:39:05   yeah it creates its own immune system [TS]

00:39:06   effectively [TS]

00:39:08   and that was only that's actually [TS]

00:39:09   another thing about planetary and [TS]

00:39:10   authority the rest of the hell these [TS]

00:39:11   beautiful throwing ideas out there they [TS]

00:39:14   just kind of casually mentioned where [TS]

00:39:15   you could spin entire series right more [TS]

00:39:17   analysis like an idea factory in these [TS]

00:39:20   amazing [TS]

00:39:21   yeah so any other last words about [TS]

00:39:25   planetary before we move on I will never [TS]

00:39:27   ever get the image of those children's [TS]

00:39:29   heads blowing up out of my mind [TS]

00:39:30   oh that's such a crazy again cinematic [TS]

00:39:33   to right where the row of children [TS]

00:39:35   working at the computers and they all [TS]

00:39:36   got these kind of the controllers around [TS]

00:39:38   their necks and they press day they have [TS]

00:39:40   a fight and try to keep the guy from [TS]

00:39:41   pressing the red button and press the [TS]

00:39:43   red button and they but basically blow [TS]

00:39:44   up all the kids heads except the one kid [TS]

00:39:46   who is close enough that they can pull [TS]

00:39:47   it off yeah where his head but yea [TS]

00:39:49   horrifying and i will never forget it i [TS]

00:39:51   think it's interesting that we've been [TS]

00:39:52   talking about the whole series we didn't [TS]

00:39:54   talk about the fact that the three main [TS]

00:39:56   characters have powers are we briefly [TS]

00:39:58   mentioned but it's almost like a side [TS]

00:40:00   thing the fact that Elijah snow can [TS]

00:40:03   makes free stuff [TS]

00:40:05   yeah I would never think of him as like [TS]

00:40:06   an analog to the Iceman or something [TS]

00:40:08   like that is just add whatever that's [TS]

00:40:09   not his [TS]

00:40:10   what's the functional house is that he's [TS]

00:40:12   got power and that he's old and knows [TS]

00:40:15   stuff right right name it was yeah like [TS]

00:40:17   you said the function personally the [TS]

00:40:18   same way where chiquita Wagner may have [TS]

00:40:20   superhuman strength and and on your [TS]

00:40:22   invulnerability to pain but a real power [TS]

00:40:24   is the fact that she's just relentlessly [TS]

00:40:27   fearless and and for the drummer who I [TS]

00:40:31   just stuff is really opaque yeah he was [TS]

00:40:34   a hard character to get a grasp on for [TS]

00:40:35   me [TS]

00:40:36   well he in some ways he's the exposition [TS]

00:40:38   character yeah he he knows stuff when [TS]

00:40:40   they needed to know stuff and you can [TS]

00:40:41   explain stuff when he needs he was comic [TS]

00:40:43   relief because there's that all you kids [TS]

00:40:46   today [TS]

00:40:46   yeah fast but like I said I felt like he [TS]

00:40:48   was the hardest one to get a grasp on [TS]

00:40:50   but still the same time it wasn't the [TS]

00:40:52   fact that the man is basically living [TS]

00:40:53   breathing computer it's it's that you [TS]

00:40:56   know he can actually translate what he [TS]

00:40:57   knows to to language that people can [TS]

00:40:59   understand i like when they treat the [TS]

00:41:01   powers its just oh he's left-handed he [TS]

00:41:03   can shoot fire from the fingertips right [TS]

00:41:05   now it's gonna be gifted graphic artist [TS]

00:41:07   and he has laser vision as often happens [TS]

00:41:13   in so I'm what else are you guys reading [TS]

00:41:16   these days haha [TS]

00:41:18   well it turns out there's not a lot of [TS]

00:41:21   good things out there really so it's not [TS]

00:41:24   just me then [TS]

00:41:24   no I did just finish literally this [TS]

00:41:27   morning the y the last man [TS]

00:41:30   oh you finally finish that I finally we [TS]

00:41:33   should do a whole which is doing all the [TS]

00:41:34   Oddcast about what about what about that [TS]

00:41:36   last issue and i was so disappointing [TS]

00:41:39   for me it that stuck with me for days [TS]

00:41:41   but probably not for the intended reason [TS]

00:41:43   alright so we'll say that yeah I think [TS]

00:41:45   maybe that could be our next topic in [TS]

00:41:46   fact yeah I would love to go back and [TS]

00:41:48   read those again because I those a [TS]

00:41:49   couple years ago [TS]

00:41:50   why is not a recent series didn't know [TS]

00:41:52   it's not know but that's ok i actually [TS]

00:41:54   think they're there they're ongoing and [TS]

00:41:56   their their stories that are kind of [TS]

00:41:57   playing out and there are things that [TS]

00:41:59   are out there and some ways i would [TS]

00:42:00   think for the great incomparable [TS]

00:42:02   listenership as well that you go out and [TS]

00:42:04   get and read write instead of trying to [TS]

00:42:06   find back issues and future things and [TS]

00:42:09   wait around for six months or 10 years [TS]

00:42:11   for it to finish you can just go out and [TS]

00:42:13   buy the book and read it [TS]

00:42:14   there's something to be said for that [TS]

00:42:15   and y the last man is what 50 issues yes [TS]

00:42:18   and and has a resolution whether it's [TS]

00:42:21   satisfying or not it has an ending and [TS]

00:42:24   that's the end of the story i really [TS]

00:42:25   loved that book but yeah the ending and [TS]

00:42:29   eggs are hard right things are really [TS]

00:42:30   having a hard [TS]

00:42:31   yeah and it's did you did you did you [TS]

00:42:33   read ex machina forex market everything [TS]

00:42:35   I I haven't finished it I haven't [TS]

00:42:37   finished it either [TS]

00:42:38   ok cuz they should do that too yes I'd [TS]

00:42:40   really interesting never shies away from [TS]

00:42:41   the ending and I've heard that the [TS]

00:42:43   ending had really mixed reactions and so [TS]

00:42:45   I'm dying to take when it comes out and [TS]

00:42:46   train i'm gonna grab it right and that's [TS]

00:42:48   another bryan cave on buck right [TS]

00:42:50   y the last man right the super mayor yep [TS]

00:42:52   yeah the Delta hint at the ending in the [TS]

00:42:54   beginning they do like basically that's [TS]

00:42:56   it supposed to be forced foreshadowed is [TS]

00:42:57   a tragedy and right I've been driving [TS]

00:43:00   myself kind of crazy because I'm right [TS]

00:43:02   now at the part with the the crazy Pope [TS]

00:43:03   conspiracy around not there yet only [TS]

00:43:07   read the first not really giving away a [TS]

00:43:09   whole lot of crazy Pope conspiracy [TS]

00:43:11   what else is new another crazy Pope [TS]

00:43:13   conspiracy and of ongoing series is I [TS]

00:43:16   picked up the new moon night number one [TS]

00:43:21   sonu night series which made a great [TS]

00:43:23   character from the 7d lovely little sick [TS]

00:43:26   of it [TS]

00:43:27   yeah I'm like at night and an [TS]

00:43:29   interesting in a superhero archetype [TS]

00:43:30   that he's kind [TS]

00:43:31   the Batman character but also has [TS]

00:43:34   multiple personalities just like Batman [TS]

00:43:36   except even crazier than he had the [TS]

00:43:38   mercenary guy the mark Specter the Jake [TS]

00:43:41   Lockley who drove a cab and the rich guy [TS]

00:43:45   Langley or something was his name [TS]

00:43:47   so he's had a lot of a series and [TS]

00:43:50   cancellations in series at one point he [TS]

00:43:52   was in moon knight armor and you know [TS]

00:43:55   crazy stuff so Brian Michael Bendis has [TS]

00:43:59   a new series out with that artist he did [TS]

00:44:02   careful with his name is escaping me [TS]

00:44:03   right now but the whole idea is they've [TS]

00:44:05   taken multiple personality and they've [TS]

00:44:07   gone further with it so now he's got a [TS]

00:44:08   spider man living in his head and a [TS]

00:44:10   Wolverine living in his head and a [TS]

00:44:11   captain america living in his head [TS]

00:44:13   huh and he can mimic all of their [TS]

00:44:15   abilities who as well as other [TS]

00:44:18   personalities and then they've hinted [TS]

00:44:19   there may be more and so that aspect is [TS]

00:44:22   really interesting social economy [TS]

00:44:24   picking up in the artwork is beautiful [TS]

00:44:25   but the first issue I what's the word [TS]

00:44:30   not good bad only because it's it's sort [TS]

00:44:33   of like the opening paragraph of a book [TS]

00:44:37   like it's not a complete story it's not [TS]

00:44:39   like planetary did so well at having [TS]

00:44:41   complete satisfying story / issue you [TS]

00:44:44   have been just basically write some [TS]

00:44:45   groups of four issues right so i don't [TS]

00:44:47   recommend picking it up because yeah [TS]

00:44:49   although there was some neat hints and [TS]

00:44:51   stuff but overall nothing happened right [TS]

00:44:53   no real sense of what the point is just [TS]

00:44:56   terrible [TS]

00:44:57   this is why it off by single issues [TS]

00:44:58   anymore right I know i-i-i try that too [TS]

00:45:01   I i made a mistake I i started flying [TS]

00:45:03   single issues on my iPad that's where [TS]

00:45:07   I'm that's where i'm buying single [TS]

00:45:09   issues now and i'm reading because there [TS]

00:45:11   are some day and date comics on the ipad [TS]

00:45:13   now i'm reading invincible day and date [TS]

00:45:15   on the ipad and thank you Lisa for for [TS]

00:45:18   turning me on to that and i'm reading [TS]

00:45:20   ultimate spider-man Marvel's one of [TS]

00:45:22   marbles marbles i'lli'll have ultimate [TS]

00:45:24   Spidey day and date is they decided more [TS]

00:45:27   they're gonna try it and trying it with [TS]

00:45:28   a couple of the ultimate titles and [TS]

00:45:30   ultimate spider-man is one of them so [TS]

00:45:31   i'm reading those as they come out now [TS]

00:45:34   and they're there now in this weird [TS]

00:45:35   death of ultimate death of Spiderman arc [TS]

00:45:37   which is like they did they how many [TS]

00:45:39   times they already said they were going [TS]

00:45:41   to kill him and didn't kill him and this [TS]

00:45:42   is next they're going to also say they [TS]

00:45:44   are [TS]

00:45:45   to kill them and they're not really [TS]

00:45:46   gonna kill them and when they really [TS]

00:45:48   gonna kill him [TS]

00:45:49   I've got of course not you know how [TS]

00:45:52   could they do that they'll find maybe [TS]

00:45:54   this time it's real [TS]

00:45:55   they'll fit about it but actually that [TS]

00:45:57   this arc has been funny and tying it in [TS]

00:45:59   with this avengers vs. Ultimates thing [TS]

00:46:02   thats that's terrible i bought a couple [TS]

00:46:04   of those issues and those are those are [TS]

00:46:06   just embarrassingly nonsensical but that [TS]

00:46:09   part of the arc that I liked recently an [TS]

00:46:11   ultimate spider-man which i love [TS]

00:46:13   I mean there and very similar to [TS]

00:46:14   invincible in some ways is that after [TS]

00:46:18   all this time of shield being aware of [TS]

00:46:20   Who Peter Parker is that he spider-man [TS]

00:46:21   and that he's this kid and they've [TS]

00:46:23   always had the attitude like this kid is [TS]

00:46:25   spider-man you know he's too young he's [TS]

00:46:27   too powerful [TS]

00:46:28   he's kind of you know not trustworthy [TS]

00:46:30   loose cannon at some point carol danvers [TS]

00:46:34   i think is in charge of shield now says [TS]

00:46:35   says basically we don't trust you [TS]

00:46:39   anymore [TS]

00:46:40   you are gonna were either gonna shut you [TS]

00:46:42   down lock you up or you're gonna take [TS]

00:46:45   superhero lessons from The Ultimates and [TS]

00:46:48   so and and they have a vote about like [TS]

00:46:50   what to do in Captain America's like no [TS]

00:46:52   no just just just lock him up and and [TS]

00:46:55   and some of the other like Iron Man [TS]

00:46:57   really likes him in and tony stark kind [TS]

00:46:58   of relates to him so that silly them so [TS]

00:47:01   they said well yeah and so there's no [TS]

00:47:03   it's it's pretty funny and they send [TS]

00:47:05   Tony Stark and Iron Man 2 repeaters [TS]

00:47:08   house and he just iron man appears of [TS]

00:47:09   peter's house and people like in order [TS]

00:47:11   here I have a secret identity getting [TS]

00:47:14   out i'll meet you somewhere go away and [TS]

00:47:17   Captain America was very reluctant he [TS]

00:47:19   shows up at one point and and and you [TS]

00:47:22   know give him a hard time and says how [TS]

00:47:23   he shouldn't be doing this and you [TS]

00:47:25   really need to be more responsible and [TS]

00:47:26   all these things that's a great arc [TS]

00:47:28   that's actually really enjoyable because [TS]

00:47:29   it's playing off of this fundamental [TS]

00:47:31   idea that series that i love which is [TS]

00:47:33   heated he's a kid he does have these [TS]

00:47:35   powers [TS]

00:47:36   he's trying to navigate his complicated [TS]

00:47:37   kind of kids social life as well as the [TS]

00:47:40   bigger adult world of the superheroes [TS]

00:47:42   that stuff is great now this and then [TS]

00:47:44   yet every issue is got death of [TS]

00:47:46   Spiderman slapped on it and I just roll [TS]

00:47:48   my eyes and think you know you're [TS]

00:47:50   telling good stories do you need to to [TS]

00:47:53   lay these kind of crazy story arc stunts [TS]

00:47:57   on top [TS]

00:47:58   and the storytelling are actually pretty [TS]

00:47:59   good but they're going to mess it up and [TS]

00:48:01   it's gonna take me a year to get back to [TS]

00:48:03   status quo [TS]

00:48:04   presumably they will mean like the big [TS]

00:48:05   flood like the big flood was totally [TS]

00:48:08   changed everything about the ultimate [TS]

00:48:09   universe except didn't do anything ever [TS]

00:48:12   had some troubles you got it put jonah [TS]

00:48:14   Jameson in charge of a website instead [TS]

00:48:15   of a newspaper [TS]

00:48:17   they've just got you a job offers yeah [TS]

00:48:20   since we lost our print analog a while [TS]

00:48:24   back [TS]

00:48:24   that's that's right you and you and [TS]

00:48:26   jenna jameson by the way follow I a [TS]

00:48:29   healing my favorite twitter twitter [TS]

00:48:31   twitter twitter yesterday morning always [TS]

00:48:33   follow jenna jameson on twitter you nod [TS]

00:48:36   to all of his tweets are in all capital [TS]

00:48:37   letters and he basically yells at this [TS]

00:48:39   brand this brand and and they they [TS]

00:48:42   changed without his avatar to me but I [TS]

00:48:44   don't like his new avatar like the old [TS]

00:48:46   leather I love it because that's the [TS]

00:48:48   Egyptian from the nineteen sixties and [TS]

00:48:49   spiderman cartoon and when they did that [TS]

00:48:52   they also did some tweets where he [TS]

00:48:53   complained about teenagers which is [TS]

00:48:54   actually all that jonah Jameson does in [TS]

00:48:57   the original Spiderman animated show is [TS]

00:48:59   is complaining about you know this brand [TS]

00:49:01   I'm tired of these teenagers like Parker [TS]

00:49:03   getting in my way [TS]

00:49:04   sample sample point is i have just found [TS]

00:49:06   out what-what a lady gaga is kill it [TS]

00:49:08   kill it with fire haha there was one [TS]

00:49:11   after Osama bin Laden was was was killed [TS]

00:49:13   he tweeted the attention President Obama [TS]

00:49:16   i can think of another menace that now [TS]

00:49:18   also needs your attention [TS]

00:49:19   he's in New York i can tell you where he [TS]

00:49:21   is nice [TS]

00:49:24   the only follow of comic characters on [TS]

00:49:26   Twitter I only follow drunk hulk drunk [TS]

00:49:29   hulk is good [TS]

00:49:30   jenna jameson matter all right Jenna [TS]

00:49:33   James delightful i'm going there now [TS]

00:49:35   anything Lisa that you're that you're [TS]

00:49:36   reading my of newer old when i read the [TS]

00:49:38   second volume of unwritten or the second [TS]

00:49:40   train i should say haha [TS]

00:49:41   and that actually continues a lot of the [TS]

00:49:43   themes where it's the idea that when you [TS]

00:49:45   remake stories you can remake history [TS]

00:49:47   because they end up in a bunch of Third [TS]

00:49:49   Reich propaganda and yeah i'm gonna read [TS]

00:49:51   that soon because as a hugo voter i will [TS]

00:49:54   get the hugo packet with all the hugo [TS]

00:49:56   nominees and becoming you get it and it [TS]

00:49:57   got nominated for four Hugo word for [TS]

00:50:00   actually to be a hugo voter all you have [TS]

00:50:02   to do is become a supporting member of [TS]

00:50:04   the world con science fiction convention [TS]

00:50:05   which is in reno this year so i'm [TS]

00:50:07   actually going but you can also add the [TS]

00:50:10   last couple years I've been up [TS]

00:50:12   older you pay sort of half price of the [TS]

00:50:14   convention fee 22 so you don't have to [TS]

00:50:17   attend if you don't want to but you can [TS]

00:50:19   vote so easily by your bed yeah at you [TS]

00:50:22   you buy you buy a vote and and you get [TS]

00:50:25   you by voting you get uh the packet and [TS]

00:50:29   the packet usually contains all of the [TS]

00:50:31   novel's better nominated all the short [TS]

00:50:33   stories and all the all the graphics not [TS]

00:50:36   always all but most of them so i got [TS]

00:50:38   fables as a PDF last year and I got ya [TS]

00:50:41   the Batman art by a by Neil Gaiman last [TS]

00:50:44   year as it turns out i am also reading [TS]

00:50:45   fables i highly recommend becoming a [TS]

00:50:49   supporting member and getting the human [TS]

00:50:50   me so I'll read the unwritten black to i [TS]

00:50:52   get to vote for the eyes nurs but we [TS]

00:50:54   don't get free comics shameful ice it's [TS]

00:50:57   wrong [TS]

00:50:58   yeah it is absolutely wrong if you're [TS]

00:50:59   gonna vote on something you need to hold [TS]

00:51:01   the digital the digital revolution has [TS]

00:51:03   changed things where you know i'm sure [TS]

00:51:04   they didn't give out free books before [TS]

00:51:05   but now that now they can just simply [TS]

00:51:08   afternoon about ya of a nominated book [TS]

00:51:10   or a PDF of the nominated comic and so [TS]

00:51:13   it works pretty well and no unwritten [TS]

00:51:14   fables and i have a bunch of gail simone [TS]

00:51:18   books on my Amazon wish list i'll [TS]

00:51:19   probably go through and clean out soon [TS]

00:51:21   because I follow her slavishly alright [TS]

00:51:23   so next up let's talk y the last man try [TS]

00:51:26   to do that so read that if you haven't [TS]

00:51:28   and until then and we're going to try to [TS]

00:51:32   do this every month now we're gonna [TS]

00:51:33   we're going to set something up so we'll [TS]

00:51:35   be back sooner than this last gap was or [TS]

00:51:38   the one before that I thought that gap [TS]

00:51:40   is appropriate for planetary it was very [TS]

00:51:43   mad [TS]

00:51:43   that's it was all intentional folks yeah [TS]

00:51:45   all intentional in the next one it's [TS]

00:51:47   just gonna be the women [TS]

00:51:49   ok i'll be talking to myself the whole [TS]

00:51:51   hour until then this has been the comic [TS]

00:51:57   book club for the uncomfortable not the [TS]

00:51:59   planetarium [TS]

00:52:00   comfortable I'm Jason snail and thank [TS]

00:52:03   you to jason reitman thank you very much [TS]

00:52:05   and too leishman is always a pleasure [TS]

00:52:07   until the next edition of the [TS]

00:52:09   uncomfortable and the next [TS]

00:52:10   soon-to-be-released edition of the comic [TS]

00:52:12   book club we promise [TS]

00:52:14   thanks for [TS]

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