The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable pod test number 37 may [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► welcome back to the incomparable I'm [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► Jason smell i'm joined today by Dan [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► more'n hi Dan [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► hello Jess and it's so nice to be on [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► this podcast with you after so long [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► since i was last on a podcast video also [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► joining me today is Scott McNulty hello [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► hello [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► we form we we brave 3form this [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► particular invocation of the [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► incomparable book club so John Scalzi is [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► our topic today John Scalzi [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► award-winning I believe science fiction [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► writer president of the science-fiction [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► writers association of america i believe [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► it's okay i hope to someday be a member [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► of the Association working working hard [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► at it [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► that would be that would be good you [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► need to write more science fiction I [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► guess [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► oh maybe everything from science fiction [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► yes well you can always aspire we can [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► all aspire damn i aspire to that to that [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► would be great [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► top great he has so he's in the news [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► he's got a new book coming out called [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► buzzy nation fuzzy nasally nation which [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► is a which is a recasting I guess of an [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► older book [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► yeah so that's interesting we'll start [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► we'll start there why not if there's a [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► book called little fuzzy which is by [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► beam Piper H beam Piper from the sixties [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► and it's a very sort of sixties book [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► where there's a protagonist with a pipe [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► and easie he's healthy discovers he [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► works for a mining company and he [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► discovers little cute aliens [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► you had me at protagonist of the pipe is [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► a savvy guy and what's funny is that [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► scholars book is coming out its I [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► believe little fuzzy is in the public [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► domain but here is some sequels that are [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► under copyright and scalzi help H beam [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► Piper did so scalzi decided for unto it [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► i think unexplained reasons I think he [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► was just kind of in a funk and so he [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► decided to write basically as fanfiction [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► a a reboot of of little fuzzy basically [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► a modern john scalzi type retelling of [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► the story of that of that book and by [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► the time you get to the end he says that [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► he really liked it and [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► so he had his agent or lawyer or [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► somebody approached the estate of Piper [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► and asked if they could have permission [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► to publish it and they said yes so this [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► book that was sort of written on a lark [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► is is now the new john scalzi novel i [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► find that kind of a fascinating idea [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► just did you know sort of broadly [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► speaking it's there's a lot of [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► interesting you know I think there's [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► there's so much function you know so [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► much attention on being original which [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► is which is great i think obviously it's [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► always cool to see new stories but at [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► the same time we all know as anyone [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► who's written anything knows when you [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► get down to the base of it there are no [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► new stories so I think there's always [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► it's always interesting to think about [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► some of our favorite works i think and [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► wonder how how could that have gone [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► differently or you know what what if i [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► change this one thing would make the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► story really different or not i mean i [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► think that's a fascinating thing to to [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► play around with and I think it's it [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► that at the root of sort of what makes [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► scalzi kind of think he's kinda [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► emblematic of a lot of you know sort of [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► the modern genre of science fiction [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► writers which is a lot of it is sort of [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► a mosh and pastiche in some ways to two [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► things that have gone before because so [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► much of it is so established at two [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► words with a French pronunciation think [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► I can I think I can do this all about [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► guess the effects of people that i wish [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► i could say with this podcast is over in [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► French but I don't even know what okay [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► if you need dick doesn't that mean this [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► place is dead but i'm really speaking [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► well yeah but as you say also reminds me [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► of them another writer but not as big a [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► fan of charles stross who I think a lot [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► of his writing a lot of his stories [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► borrow or tip their hat two things that [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► came before he's got for example series [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► that that plays sort of broadly in the [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► Lovecraft you know world and so the it's [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► interesting to see them sort of a not [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► necessarily appropriate but but build [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► off of these these older public-domain [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► works and create something that's new [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► but also kind of old took and borrowed a [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► book from 50 years ago and basically [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► said what would a modern a modern [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► science fiction writer do with the same [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► story but you know with very different [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► kind of expectations for what a modern [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► science fiction novelist it's much more [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► complex care [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► derstand it's more sort of political [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► stuff happening and and and and it's [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► interesting although he said he read it [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► repeatedly as a kid but when he came [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► time to write it he didn't read it again [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► so it and apparently it diverges in many [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► ways from the book because then he read [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► the book after he had written his [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► version of it was like oh I have no [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► memory of this part so it's interesting [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► it's sort of like his retelling of his [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► memory of the book and not the actual [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► book it's kind of a good idea i think it [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► is but yeah I mean you could see that [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► with I I'm surprised it doesn't happen [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► more but you know books are owned by the [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► writers and or or if they passed away by [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► their estates and so you don't see what [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► you see with movies and TV shows where [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► Corporation owns the rights and use it [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► as an asset for them to repurpose in [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► some way and so you see reboots and [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► remakes of movies and TV shows all the [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► time but you don't see it with books and [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► it's actually kind of funny it would be [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► interesting yet you do see it on [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► occasion I mean think of all very rare [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► well but you mean you think of all the [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► states that sort of you know they dub [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► you know Aaron's parents to following [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► story you know how many people right [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► Robert Ludlum novels your wounds right [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► yeah that's not the same as I mean [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► imagine a modern sci-fi novelist doing [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► dune right i mean Lois McMaster Bujold [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► dune right fuck starting battles for [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► storage here [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► well sure fighting Paul would be miles [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► writer now she's capable enough to write [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► an interesting characters but just [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► imagine something like that where you [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► take a modern sci-fi writer and some [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► classic that was written so long ago [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► that presumably it would be told in a [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► very different way now this is which [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► this is a game that we should start [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► that's a good a shots of older science [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► fiction with newer all that I've got [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► lois mcmaster bujold is doing you know [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► top that one doe [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► hmm i have a child china melville [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► starship troopers who that's pretty good [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► how about Nick Hardaway's foundation who [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► actually that would be I would probably [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► way better than the original [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► yeah well the homeland [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► hey right foundation although a classic [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► is you know all the Asimov stuff is [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► really you know he's got his he's got [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► his issues he there things that he [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► doesn't do well as human relationships [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► are often kind of bland and he's got big [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► ideas but the people are often kind of [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► cardboard and you know it would be [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► fascinating to see somebody who's got a [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► different skill set take you know the [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► the interesting stuff for massive mob [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► and do something different with it or or [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► any of his authors from 50 years ago [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► well but within the Foundation series [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► they did have three books that were [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► written by three different science [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► fiction authors modern-day science right [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► that's true that's true that they [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► weren't very good so let's yeah just [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► goes to show you i guess i would like to [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► see somebody we take on some of the [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► works of philip k dick like CA and fax [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► it works Anthony's yeah well speaking of [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► which there is no model scalzi wrote a [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► book called Androids Dream which I have [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► not read but it's on my kindle and that [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► is that is what i read that one [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► it's it's much more of a it's much more [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► value of a humor book it's more loving [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► and legolas atoms in some ways [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► probably my favorite of his works [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► whatsoever right up [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► what's the idea behind the android [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► stream it involves with the these aliens [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► they come to earth [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► I'm trying to remember all i remember is [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► that it [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► there's something very there so there's [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► a major plot point I feel like they had [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► to deal with like flatulence yes because [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► the aliens communicate using sent as [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► well as a speech is that not agent to [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► the stars [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► no that's all we know maybe that maybe [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► an agent to the stars [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► I have a red agent to the stars although [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► that was the first one I ever heard of [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► him with because the my crew like from [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► penny arcade the cover when he released [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► it online it was a it was like a [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► shareware yeah originally which is [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► another inch that mean like i'll say [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► this I one of the things I really like [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► what causes hehe really [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► he plays around with all this stuff [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► right he's not he's he's very involved [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► and engaged in what is the modern form [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► right of a book or or you know what [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► story for example [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► I know he for a my favorite thing that [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► he's done recently out of either did you [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► read on the on April fools day he wrote [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► this prologue so that is the backup [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► oh I think I covered got his tour book [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► store books did an analysis at some [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► point of the most common words in [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► fantasy saga titles right [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► the shadow war of the night dragons and [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► so John Scalzi wrote are like he wrote [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► the first comment on the post were they [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► were they wrote about this egg I will [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► write this series you can just back the [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► dump trucks of money up to my door now [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► and then for april fools day he actually [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► wrote the prologue to books the shadow [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► war of the night dragons book1 the Dead [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► City and if you haven't gotten a chance [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► to read this [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► go read this it is hilarious it is one [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► of the funniest things i've read in ages [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► because he clearly just started like [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► what's the most ridiculous thing you [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► know i could write and then just kept [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► going and building on it and like it [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► gets more and more ridiculous and but [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► it's so perfectly constructed mockery of [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► you know all the things that that we [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► love to make fun of about fantasy I've [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► got the the first paragraph of the [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► shadow war of the night dragons up there [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► I just want to be the first the first [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► sentence which is a paragraph knighted [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► come to the city of school and Aria the [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► sort of night with such a quality of [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► black to it that it was as if Blaque [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► Cole had been wrapped in black as velvet [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► bathed in the purple black ink of the [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► demon squid trindle and flung down a [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► black well that descended toward the [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► deepest black as crevices of drinkable [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► phangan another world ruled by dribble [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► in which the sinful were punished the [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► black of which was so legendarily black [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► that when the dreaded trindle thing in [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► flag in the ravenous blind black badger [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► trolls of dribble thinkin with feast [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► upon the uselessly dilated eyes of [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► damned the abandoned would cry out enjoy [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► as the dreadful thing in flag in morton [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► feared black spoons of the journal [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► thingy flagon pressed against the optic [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► nerves giving them one last sensation of [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► light before the most absolute blackness [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► fell upon them made yet even blacker by [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► the injuries sustained from a falling [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► lump of [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► pink Bates velvet trapped old yaxha he [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► said he's got a great sense of humor and [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► you see that I think most of us work [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► not all of it but most of whom have you [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► guys read the God engines which was a [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► novella that he published it wasn't [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► hilarious it was off it was a huge [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► menomonie that was not funny it was not [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► familiar but I did read it it was good i [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► thought it was weird way it's it's sort [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► of like there's a their priests who have [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► a spaceship and they capture demons to [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► travel from star system to star system [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► and and that the demons are Devils or [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► whatever they are are sort of tricksters [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► and not to be trusted and yet they're [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► sort of torn tortured and tormented and [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► and some I think the captain has a [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► crisis of faith at one point and get [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► smacked down by God and it's it's very [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► strange because it's the sort of [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► religion as the propulsion system for [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► these spaceships and it it turns out [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► that they're horribly exploiting various [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► populations and its really dark and not [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► funny i was good and weird and not funny [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► good visitor since it is that supposed [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► to be funny as I guess what I'm saying [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► it shows that he doesn't always do [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► light-hearted that is true is a very it [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► was a much darker book that his other [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► works [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► yeah but it was good it was that he's [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► got some range so so the thing that John [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► Scalzi is most famous for which I figure [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► we spend most of our time talking about [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► we got into it last which is interesting [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► this is his reboot of the forever war [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► oh I said it caves of steel John skull [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► does the caves of steel i would read [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► that as well very easy to please see I'm [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► just I'm just coming up with them you [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► know you are you're much better than [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► this is a fun game we should open this [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► up to the podcast listeners to send in [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► their own reboots of modern science [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► fiction writers rebooting [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► science-fiction novels of old just to [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► make sure to enclose a check with your [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► submission [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► yes and a self-addressed stop stamped [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► unable to be uncomfortable right Dan [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► morons war [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► four of the world's oh I've got a very [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► good plot for that whole all right but I [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► suspect it weird that i was something [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► else yes sir john scalzi is most well [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► known for his old man's war series which [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► is actually for books the original old [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► man's war highly acclaimed and i believe [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► has just been optioned is probably [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► possibly going to be made into a major [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► motion picture I've heard but that's a [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► that you know that's a good book i [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► assume you guys have have read that I [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► have you right now all those PS i read [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► all four alright i thought i read all [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► four of them but it turns out there the [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► first 10 it seems like a little too [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► close too close or or I i read the other [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► three and I've completely forgot [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► everything but also old man's war the [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► premise if it's been a little while now [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► is that when you're on earth and you're [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► really old [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► you can sign up to basically join the [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► space army and if you join the space [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► army they grow you a new clone body [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► that's young and healthy so that's a [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► plus because otherwise you're gonna get [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► it and it's green so it's green but the [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► downside is you can never go back to [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► earth and because the Space wars are [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► really tough you'll probably just died [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► in battle but you'll have it has its [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► pros and it's comes but you know so that [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► and that's how it starts like the first [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► chapter right where this guy John joy [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► out of promise right yeah yeah a lot of [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► people if it's funny it gets it gets [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► compared a lot 22 ender's game and I [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► think that's because there are some [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► there are some there are some [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► superficial similarities and the the [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► sort of high-concept pitch that you [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► often hear it it's like ender's game but [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► with old people and I think you know [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► it's funny because a one of my good [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► friends he had put off reading it for a [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► long time and then you just recently [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► started reading it goes wow this is this [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► is much better I kept putting it off [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► because people kept comparing to ender's [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► game he said like you know which I liked [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► but like I didn't necessarily want to [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► read [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► you know am and I think they're there [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► are at the kind of does the book of the [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► service because although i really like [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► ender's game and think is it one of the [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► most seminal books with the last science [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► fiction books the last like you know 30 [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► years or so they are very different in [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► tone if nothing else the style is very [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► high line like which I you know I look [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► at the wikipedia entry and people have [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► yes if people are mentioning the two [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► books that I was going to mention it's [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► like which is starship troopers in the [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► forever war and there is so much high [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► line that runs through especially this [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► series it's definitely an homage to [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► highline in some ways [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► ya know i think that's that's definitely [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► true i mean i think it's it seems [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► lighter to me then then some of those [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► other other books I mean a lighter than [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► the forever war yeah just a little [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► uh-huh the downer also just in terms of [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► the narrative in terms of the the you [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► know the protagonist viewpoint that we [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► see things through [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► I don't know I i find it maybe just more [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► accessible or something there's [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► something about his writing that is very [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► is very colloquial is very accessible by [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► having an old man who turns into the [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► soldier you get you get to tell that [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► that almost like starship troopers you [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► get to tell a war story with this funny [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► viewpoint which is a an old man so he's [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► got a whole life's worth the worth of [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► experiences and although he's not you [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► know used to being out in space and all [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► that he's not a wet-behind-the-ears kid [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► either and it's a great you know it and [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► it's a great little combination where he [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► you know and there are some interesting [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► characters and it is even though as his [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► his compatriots get you know killed in [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► these horrible firefighters from time to [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► time it is still there's sort of a light [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► aspect to it to right and there's other [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► i don't know i mean you know there [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► there's sort of this whole like culture [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► shock sort of with the whole when they [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► put them in the new bodies all of a [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► sudden you know there is this moment of [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► hey we're all young again you know let's [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► take advantage of everything the right [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► has to offer us basically so but he [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► doesn't ignore that they actually set it [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► up we're like there's a period of time [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► with a water traveling to wherever [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► they're going to get slaughtered where [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► it's basically party on the ship because [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► everybody's in there [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► new bar in their new young bodies young [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► athletic like super soldier body's not [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► like yep you know what to do and then [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► and then you know in a couple of days [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► we'll go down on the planet and most of [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► you will get killed for the glory of the [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► human race [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► yeah well I mean and that's where that's [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► where the sort of i feel like that's [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► where it gets a little more complexity [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► you know along the lines of some of [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► those other books in terms of why is [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► this war began and I think that that [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► intensifies as the books go on right [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► rise this war being fought who are they [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► fighting exactly you know and i think [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► there's some really interesting like you [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► point out that about them not going back [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► to earth which as I recall was a sort of [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► like a political move right basically [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► because you know in theory these guys [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► are like genetically engineered better [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► than all the people on on on earth so it [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► wouldn't really be you know they're kind [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► of worried that these these super [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► soldiers might turn on member something [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► eventually when they they want to keep [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► as it turns out but the politicians sort [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► of want to keep the earth under their [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► thumb and answer so what is almost like [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► a it's not quite as zoo but it's almost [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► like that where it's like you know when [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► your honor if you're on earth and once [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► you leave her if you don't go back [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► you see it's just like a little preserve [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► of where all the original humans live [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► and then there's the big wide the big [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► bite world which I love the widescreen [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► aspect of it to where they're a bunch of [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► different alien races and there and then [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► they're they're sort of different human [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► groups as well and there's like search [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► for territory and and they try to take [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► planets and take them back so there's [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► like the politics that's going on and [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► there's the the especially the CIA kind [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► of military intelligence that's going on [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► so it's not just the the grunts and in [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► fact the character kind of works its way [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► up and gets a to peek inside the though [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► the way the war machine works so so he's [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► not just an infantry guy all right and [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► as we as we progress you know as we [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► follow them throughout the series he [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► gets two more increasingly important [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► roles to the point where was the third [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► book that he become sort of the the [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► leader of this colony or one of the [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► major people like sort of founding a new [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► colony which is kind of any i mean i [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► think that the book has a really [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► interesting plot in that [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► there is this whole again like you're [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► talking about the land grab type thing [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► and then the earth takes it to sort of [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► the next logical step in some ways to [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► how are they going to found a colony [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► that is not in danger of being attacked [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► and and occupied by these other aliens [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► and that is you know it's basically [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► let's let's not tell anybody where [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► they're going like let's convince the [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► overall going one place and then send [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► them someplace totally else so that they [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► can even get home [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► yeah thatthat's a there there's there's [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► so much going on then in the last colony [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► the third book the second book the ghost [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► brigades scott i know i read it and i [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► look at the description of its kind of [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► edible though and I don't remember it's [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► set in the same world but really there [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► are only a couple characters it you know [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► in in common variant well there's the [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► main ki mean the main the main virtue of [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► it is that one of the characters that [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► comes out of it becomes very important [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► in the third book and in fact the fourth [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► book is told from her perspective [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► mmm do I certainly have read the fourth [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► book and i don't think i've read the [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► third book said I can't tell if I read [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► the second [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► oh yeah well the fourth in the third [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► books tell the same story from two [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► different points of view [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► yeah so the funny thing about this is [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► that Zoe's tail the fourth book which is [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► interesting because it's almost like a [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► young adult retelling of the third book [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► from the daughters perspective that's [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► the first one of these that i read [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► because it was nominated for a hugo and [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► it was in the hugo packet and and I [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► really liked it to the point where i [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► went back and read the other three and [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► the funny thing about reading in that [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► way is it didn't spoil basically [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► anything for me [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► he manages to pull off the fact that i [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► think the third and the fourth book [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► despite telling essentially the same [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► story are still engrossing even when you [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► think you sort of know what's going to [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► happen [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► I because it if there's more to it than [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► just the plot being the interesting [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► points in the character development or [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► interesting seeing these things and [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► there are some fairly important things [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► that you see in that fourth book that [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► you don't get to see their sort of all [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► screen in the third book so so in the [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► second book what happens is that there's [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► this this this trader and the memories [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► are implanted and all the stuff and in [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► the end what you [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► get a Zoe who gets adopted by by the old [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► man from the first book and by jane who [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► is the little it's ok another [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► complication [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► she is it's a clone of his wife because [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► you get you to grow your clone but while [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► the cones were cool growing his wife [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► died right she signed up to be in the [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► military as well but she died before [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► they left Earth basically and so they [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► still had a clone body for her but they [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► have no brain no mind to go into it and [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► so they just sort of they have like an [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► artificial like intelligence generator I [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► guess that but so that they put [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► basically they grow a brain from like [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► you know she's basically said it starts [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► out with her being more I mean they can [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► basically take a brain and let it [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► develop inside this body right its own [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► personality so it's sort of her but sort [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► of not [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► yeah it's really creepy it it is it is [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► all torino 10 now will end but shes [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► photos dead so it's not dead but she [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► sort of thinks like his dad why are [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► heroes so because she's got the brain [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► but it's not his dead wife because she [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► doesn't have the memories and so it's [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► yeah it's it's a really interesting [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► thing and that that's the fascinating [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► thing about the last colony which I read [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► after reading is always tell which tells [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► us that story from the daughters [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► perspective the adopted daughters [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► perspective but it's funny because [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► you've got these two characters that are [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► so different from how they are earlier [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► on [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► as it turns out when they're when there [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► are soldiers and now they're kind of [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► retired and trying to run this colony [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► and so you got wacky characters that [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► they're trying to keep you know in line [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► and then all of a sudden there's a [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► essentially a galactic incident and [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► they're going to all die unless state [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► they uh but it turns out what that the [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► daughter is being protected by this [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► alien race that her father created [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► writer or made sentient yes and so [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► made by anybody who hasn't read these [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► books is going to be like whoa what the [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► hell are you talking that that's exactly [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► what I'm seeking it also kind of it also [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► kinda follows that mean thatthat's [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► thatthat's the sort of fascinating thing [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► about is there are these wacky aliens [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► and and there are essentially this [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► little this little girl has these two [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► kind of like strange i don't even know [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► how to describe them they're like [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► puffball alien X there aren't they [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► really like badass they're like really [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► big or something to yeah they're [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► dangerous but there but they just follow [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► her around and videotape everything she [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► does because she's a hero or she says [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► she's a God basically because her father [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► created these these aliens or gave them [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► came from consciousness [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► yeah and so so you know she goes off in [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► a spaceship and that story is told him [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► up in the fourth book yeah that's it and [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► that's a pretty major point right like [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► so you know you sort of see her [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► disappear off the stage in book 3 and [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► then she shows up as almost sort of like [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► a deus ex machina out at the end but [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► then that whole segment is fleshed out [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► in the fourth book and I think that is [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► really interesting because the it makes [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► sense that would say it's not entirely a [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► deus ex machina it's just the story is [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► told elsewhere [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► meanwhile i have to say that you know [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► without getting too damned these details [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► it's fun you know the spaceship and [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► space battles are fun the the kind of [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► alien diplomacy is hilarious and I [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► believe in is the last colony or is it [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► so easy tale where there's a duel to the [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► death between various ate like I [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► humanely and various aliens and they do [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► this thing where diplomacy fails and [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► they're like let's duel and and then you [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► have to kill a certain number of aliens [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► and then you win and they do and they [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► win and it's just hilarious that mean [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► it's written seriously but at the same [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► time it's just such a great ride it's [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► like sure why not a duel to the death [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► with aliens [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► let's do that it it's very entertaining [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► in a way that I mean I feel like so many [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► times their people think like a book can [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► either be entertaining or like [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► intellectually stimulating like make you [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► think and I I feel like he does a pretty [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► good job of measuring those two so that [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► it's not totally cerebral and making you [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► like Mass this is this is full of very [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► deep [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► deep thoughts I must I must meditate on [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► these deep thoughts but I mean you know [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► there's there are interesting ideas [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► woven within a story that is engaging [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► and kind of a page-turner and that's [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► that's a hard combination to pull off [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► Scott you should read them apparently I [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► have no idea why I guess I was not that [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► impressed with a old man's war and I [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► didn't feel I should read the rest i [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► know it's not in its 19th century New [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► York there's no detective just tell you [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► so I you know it'sit's old man's war is [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► a lot of fun but i think is funny the [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► other books are very different [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► I think that my phone with old man's war [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► is that i liked the forever war so much [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► oh yeah that can have you read Forever [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► War i'm familiar with it but I've never [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► read it you know how i will how can you [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► be familiar with a pen haha oh I mean [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► I've seen it [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► he's aware of its existence it is it was [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► published it was published [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► well i mean i know people often talk [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► about sort of a diametrically opposed [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► did they put in contrast to the like a [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► starship troopers type thing I hear [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► those are sort of the two dipoles of the [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► whole you know the 67th Easwar that's [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► Rob the internship troopers like what [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► skill Elliot's and the forwards like war [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► is horrible [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► why it's a waste of time yeah I think [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► that was that the reason i didn't read [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► it was over yep agree board are done [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► don't know seriously now forever war [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► forever works great i read it maybe 10 [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► years ago and one of the things about it [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► that's amazing is that to me it feels [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► modern even now is written in 1974 and [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► it still feels modern because the plot I [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► mean it's crazy it's it's like there's [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► time dilation so they have every jump [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► they do you know hundreds of years pass [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► or dozens of years pass and and so that [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► the the reason why they're fighting [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► keeps changing and kind of goes on [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► forever and the it's a it's amazing it's [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► it's it really is an amazing book Scott [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► agreed to disagree i totally great seeds [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► it's a fantastic book and then you [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► should you should totally read it it is [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► it is perhaps [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► not uplifting but it is i think it's [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► important work and possibly one of the [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► most important science fiction books of [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► ever [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► yeah I think you told me while I'm [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► reading it right now I'm not reading [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► right now but i will read it I won't end [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► up in my list of things to read [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► yeah it's it's it's really good and it's [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► not you know it's not attract right it's [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► not a yo man war is regulars which is [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► sucky and we shouldn't fight band we [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► should all love each other it's it's um [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► nobody it's got the it's got the the [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► action of the war but it's also got the [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► impact on the soldiers because of the [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► science fictional kind of affects the [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► time dilation and light speed and and [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► and so society changes and so and that's [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► the Vietnam parallel is that they come [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► back the every time they come back into [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► a world that day don't belong in right [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► now but it actually sent out again to [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► fight for it and then they come back and [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► again what they fought for is changed [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► yeah it's it's fascinating but on a [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► science-fiction level it's really [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► interesting to say well you know what [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► would happen if you got you return home [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► and it was 200 years later and [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► everything was different you know that [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► would be a really interesting thing and [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► the enemy of the veterans that when they [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► reenter society I mean they are people [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► at a time and there and it's very hard [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► for them to to adapt like I as i recall [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► don't when they return home isn't isn't [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► hasn't homosexuality replaced [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► heterosexuality is the dominant form of [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► sexuality because they want to reduce [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► population growth and so exactly so that [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► they become horribly like disaffected [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► and yet there are also encouraged to [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► have this like is there like surgery [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► that they're inverses your sexual [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► orientation and they're feeling through [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► its wildlife it is it is really a [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► mind-blowing kind of book it's it's a [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► but it's good it's not definitely not [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► preaching so yeah I totally recommend [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► the forever war so it has similar themes [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► to to the ultimate old man's war [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► yeah an old man's what I think is a fine [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► book in and of itself but when you [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► compare it to [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► I don't think he can pick compared to [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► the forever war as as a model not just [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► 53 and I it doesn't seem like it [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► inspires necessarily to that I don't [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► think it's nice i mean i think that's [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► what you know at least that's what I [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► enjoy about to a certain extent is that [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► it is it seems to be comfortable with [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► its place which is to say you know it's [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► a good story and not to say there are [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► larger messages that you can take away [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► from it but again contextually also it's [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► written in a very different era from [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► something like the forever war which you [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► know clearly has all these you know tuck [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► close ties to the experience in Vietnam [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► whereas you know the old man's work [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► I know it was written in a you know [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► presumably a wartime environment it's [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► not the same war and it i don't think it [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► necessarily tries to make me IE maybe [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► it's just a book of its time in a [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► different way [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► well I like about elements wars that he [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► doesn't flinch away from killing lots of [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► characters that that [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► yeah despite being an entertaining an [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► entertaining story it's not without its [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► darker moments and without its you know [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► sadness and other emotions as well it's [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► just that it's well there's that core [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► group of recruits that just keep [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► dwindling away the morning if I i feel [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► that a lot of its to the purpose of [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► telling the story and not necessarily to [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► the purpose of telling a message if that [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► difference can be made ya know it [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► centered it's an entertainment more than [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► anything else and it is very [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► entertaining and i am a i'm a sucker for [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► the the widescreen you know different [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► star systems and and and in this case [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► alien races with strange cultures that [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► you know a lot of times just a proxy for [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► our own like sort of culture clashes [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► that we have and yet you know on earth [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► but it's just fun to see all that mixed [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► up and and told and sort of unashamedly [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► just saying yes i'm going to write up [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► you know different star system space [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► opera kind of setting for this novel and [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► and i love that stuff [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► I think honestly that i enjoy reading [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► his blog more than [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► I do his books also let's talk about [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► that he hasn't he has a blog that he [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► updates regularly but he should be [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► reading his books Georgia are really [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► should show him a thing or two about now [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► it's called whatever do you say i read [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► occasionally do you guys read it [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► regularly i read it when it's often when [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► it's linked to I've read a few things [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► written on there but I don't follow it [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► regularly [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► I i have subscribed to it so I read [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► whenever he post something and I just do [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► he's a good i mean he is a good writer [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► and he any rugby blogs regularly which I [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► I imagine it's quite hard for somebody [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► who's supposed to be actually you know [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► all right he's been it's a long-running [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► blog right i think it predates is is [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► published fiction it in fact I think [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► that's not who he became a published [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► author because he wrote whatever the [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► agent to the stars and then he posted it [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► on his blog and the rest as they say is [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► a cleaning it is is a series of novels [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► exactly I anything more to say about [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► John Scalzi anything you want to bring [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► up i mean i wrote I wrote him a letter [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► once who did you know is that actually [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► argue with him like there is material [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► are lighter of am in fact he didn't [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► write back means little said about not [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► judging him he's a busy man [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► he wrote a very interesting blog post [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► one of the ones i did read about [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► addressing sort of the idea why so many [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► of the new quote unquote writers in [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► science fiction were you know people in [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► their thirties as opposed to sort of [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► young talent in their twenties and i [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► think most of it was talking about look [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► because when you're in your twenties [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► unless you know one of those people [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► who's like genius whatever you're [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► writing a lot of crap and sort of [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► learning and getting that out of your [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► system and so you see these first quote [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► unquote novels from new writers in when [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► they're in their thirties because [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► they've you know been working on this [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► stuff all along and finally produce [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► something that's worth actually [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► publishing and i was very good piece it [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► would be made a lot of sense i mean it [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► also echoes you know my own experience [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► which have heard a lot of crappy novels [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► in my twenties and now that I feel like [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► I'm in my thirties I've I'm still [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► writing [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► grabbing us but they're getting less [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► crappy job and so I said I wrote him an [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► email about that just saying I I really [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► was interested in his this piece and his [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► theory there and never heard back but [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► but you know that's alright and how they [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► get some ice to follow on twitter [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► oh I don't follow me on Twitter but i [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► think that his blog is very interesting [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► to someone who is interested in writing [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► and the business of writing in public [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► and publishing because that's here i [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► doubt about that and his thoughts about [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► you know ebooks and self-publishing and [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► all that kind of stuff and that stuff [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► that i'm very interested in so i think [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► it a great one [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► I don't know if you saw Scott the couple [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► weeks ago he did one about where his [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► income comes from [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► yes that was really interesting he has [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► this whole pie is all these pie chart [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► showing like here's this is the [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► percentage of my income that came from [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► the royalties from the novel's selling [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► the options for the movie you know I was [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► accusing consultant on stargate universe [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► you know like and he chose these guys [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► i'll divide up as a pie is like so my [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► point being you know if you're a writer [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► you need to diversify because some of [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► these streams could just go away and you [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► don't know you know when that's gonna [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► happen and if you want to you know make [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► a living [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► you need to be able to make sure that [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► even if that chunk of your revenue drops [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► off you're still making enough money [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► from other projects that you can still [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► you know get by which was I mean which [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► is totally true and i think it's it's a [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► really interesting to see someone who is [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► a successful very well you know [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► well-known popular author talking about [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► you know these it's not just write a [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► write a book and then you make a [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► gazillion dollars and you're set for [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► life [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► so where does he make his money i think [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► a lot of a decent chunk of it in terms [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► of like the recurring revenue comes from [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► things like royalties but like you said [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► for example like I think it's like the [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► last year his biggest chunk came from [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► this movie option for old man's war and [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► he said well yeah that's great you know [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► I made a lot of money from it last year [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► but that's not something that's going to [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► get repeated year after year so I can't [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► necessarily count on that next year so I [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► have to make sure that i'm still doing [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► other things so easy he writes a column [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► for he was calm for a film site i think [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► user it's MC it might be [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► animallsex.com yeah so I think he's [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► bounced around the places you did that [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► consulting gig for stargate universe [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► thing got cancelled [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► he's got he says he said I think he has [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► a consulting gig for some other company [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► that he won't talk about i mean like a [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► bunch of different like little projects [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► all on the side but i think the bulk of [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► it still comes from from the books now [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► see here sixty-three percent from books [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► 23% from her from film option right [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► that's is the old man's war film option [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► six percent from consulting on stargate [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► universe and for four-point-seven [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► percent from his web column nice [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► yes I mean like I you know and Scott [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► says like that's really interesting for [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► the business of someone who you know [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► people working as writers are interested [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► in working as a professional writer [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► it's really illuminating to see ya it's [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► not necessarily as simple or [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► straightforward as you might think [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► that's true because my books are not [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► making me even like three percent so I'm [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► doing something horribly wrong and [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► neither am i are making 0% Oh what might [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► have been published him [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► Oh take that hoe ? shyness reality [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► nobody cares about this looks that's [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► really what i hear lots of people care [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► about wordpress to present my wife is [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► writing a cookbook which is exciting for [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► her and in for me you know but and so [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► whenever anyone anyone ever hears that [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► they're all very excited and I'm like [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► you know I've written like 45 police and [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► nobody cares but you keep doing it at [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► manhattan on the head and I walk out the [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► room crying that's that's what gets me [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► you your persevere someday full credit [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► to you Scott because i co-wrote over [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► half of one book in like nineteen [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► ninety-five I think and it was it was a [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► huge amount of work to write a technical [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► book and you know I got half of an [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► advanced for it and i calculated out [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► later that I i would have if I'd taken [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► the money or if i take of a time that I [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► spent I don't think I want to hear the [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► rest of this networking that breast and [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► worked at minimum wage i would have made [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► twice as much money just remember i [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► remember you telling me you [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► you sent around an email once of it and [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► are in our day jobs saying oh yeah these [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► people are looking for somebody to work [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► you know helped write this book [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► technical edition of this book and I [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► think I ask you about it you're like you [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► know it's probably not worth route just [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► in terms of like how much it takes to [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► how much time it takes and how much you [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► get out of it yeah i think what i said [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► is it you kind of scared me all my stock [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► answer is if you if you wanna have [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► experience of doing a book and be able [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► to say that your name is on a published [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► book do it if i doing it I not not on [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► that but if you're doing it for the [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► money [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► don't do it good or don't do it for the [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► body no you notice I haven't given up my [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► day job to write novels yet thank [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► goodness for that [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► that's why i write those letters to [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► publisher saying damned organism that is [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► there no writer don't publish know that [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► would be great if I if I ever get [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► something published in the first thing [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► I'm going to do is tell my agent hey I [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► know a guy who has books you should look [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► at what we got we got it we gotta make [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► this happen [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► his name is Scott McNulty see what he [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► did there [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► well I served at the novelization of [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► WordPerfect celebrate you gotta run home [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► run [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► hey so uh hey what are you reading [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► i thought i would ask the musical [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► question what are you reading you guys [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► reading anything interesting this is [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► book club [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► have you stopped reading I am I am [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► rereading classic book just because I [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► happened i bought it on Mike on the [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► kindle app for my iPad because i found a [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► copy of it for like a dollar and are so [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► excited I it's the second book in a [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► mystery series written in the nineteen [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► thirties got the way and it set and said [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► and certainly in in England Dorothy [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► stairs who is a great classic mystery [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► writer who writes about the detective [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► named Lord Peter Wimsey one of the one [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► of the inspirations actually four miles [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► for clothes again but a book that I read [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► or a series that i read growing up [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► because my mother is a huge mystery fan [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► like that's her she only reads mysteries [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► will not only but she mostly read [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► mysteries and so I grew up reading a lot [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► of a [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► classic you know Agatha Christie or the [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► conan doyle Dorothy stairs etc and so [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► I'm rereading a couple of books because [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► it's been many years since i read them [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► and I'm finding them delightfully [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► entertaining but part of that's just [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► sort of in a holding pattern because I [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► there are several books coming out that [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► i'm looking forward to reading including [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► among them [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► fuzzy nation I don't pick up even though [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► i don't think i'll be reading [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► presentation have no interest in [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► presentation but it's got up protagonist [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► with a pipe who finds fuzzy aliens [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► oh I'm sold hmm maybe not [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► what are you reading scott i'm reading [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► currently a the river river of God's by [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► ian MacDonald who is his most recent [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► book a dozen fish house was is nominated [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► for Hugo or something [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► yes yes very good by the way if you [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► haven't read it at least 200 pages in [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► its good could go all horribly wrong and [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► speaking of miles force however the head [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► girls marcos again because again there [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► you go i finished all of those so I i [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► finished crying burn the lat 0 in the [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► series so far last night in fact finish [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► quickly that is not as my heartbreak [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► heartbreaking any so so you know it's [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► coming but it's your kind of friend you [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► know it's coming and I mean I knew and I [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► knew what the line was going to be read [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► well because they refer to it early he [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► he refers to it an earlier book [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► yes someday some poor guys gonna come up [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► to me and say account for cosine work [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► goes again but it's still a brother I I [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► teared up a little bell getting that [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► just because I you know and ended then [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► the leper blogs after that as well I [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► mean I thought and I i think it's very [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► interesting to see i want i really want [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► to see where we're this good this new [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► chapter of his life leads in but we'll [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► have to wait a little while for that [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► oh I think that high jinks was soup is [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► probably so she wrote like a whole [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► fantasy series in between the latter [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► read I read all of it [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► yes it's ok so it wouldn't be I wouldn't [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► be at the top of my list but yeah it's [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► just funny that so she really seemed [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► like she was really cranking on the [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► proposed again stuff in the nineties and [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► and then stepped away [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► after diplomatic immunity and she didn't [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► write another book for eight years [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► yeah diplomatic immunity came out when I [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► was first reading my way through the [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► series which was in college I came out [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► what 2003 and yeah i just finished like [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► I sort of caught up as that came out and [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► then I had to wait many many years for [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► the next one to come out [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► yeah and now and now that's so I don't [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► know if she's just lost some enthusiasm [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► for what I think she you know and I've [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► heard her talk about it and I think part [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► of it is you know miles getting older [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► he's you know he's a character wages [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► realistically and I think part of it is [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► she's told a lot of the stories that she [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► wanted to tell and she just you know she [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► has no need to feel compelled to write [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► stories of the moment unless she comes [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► up with something she really wants to [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► write about order know that she needs [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► when I well yeah she writes funny others [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► that she ready for book you know sort of [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► fantasy series he wrote a whole nother [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► separate fantasy series and i know that [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► the 1i saw her speak last fall she [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► previewed the first chapter of a book [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► that she's writing about Ivan the miles [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► cousin that was so great [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► yeah which and I think she know she's [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► like oh I've got a story I want to tell [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► that you know in which Ivan would be the [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► protagonist and I think that's great i [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► would like I'm looking forward to read [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► that I hoping that she finishes it and [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► it gets published because it sounded it [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► was very entertaining the bit that I [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► heard so yeah I mean I guess that's just [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► kind of the way it goes i will say [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► instantly another book that look forward [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► to a former book club topic China [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► Mieville has another book coming out [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► called embassy town which as I [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► understand it is sort of his take on the [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► space opera so that I am extremely [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► interested in reading as well I think [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► that comes out in a couple weeks and you [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► can you can read the first 50 pages on [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► tours website it delivers becomes so [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► lots of stuff coming out soon we can [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► talk [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► wow there is a lot of stuff coming out [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► so it's not george RR martin with his [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► 1600 page that did is that what I read [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► today that it's going to be like sixteen [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► hundred pages town like it's going to be [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► very very long [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► what's up red [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► on Twitter told us it's what it's like [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► they would like to ask out now Carol [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► understand why it took him so long as [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► that it's actually as long as five books [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► and part of me wants to say well yeah [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► that's because he didn't stop at one [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► point that you know what that's a pretty [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► good ending [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► maybe i can get the next one out like [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► three years stretch the nice thing [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► actually I liked about about reading [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► crab earnest if she never writes another [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► miles book i'll be sad but but but [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► there's a good end it is it's every most [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► of its wrapped up books all have endings [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► right exactly i was going to say that's [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► the problem miles Syrah although i get [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► flack i did enjoy it obviously because i [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► read so all of them and they're also [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► their self-contained and they build on [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► each other and that's very but if you [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► just pick up one you'll still be [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► satisfied because it's a good story if [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► you pick up one of George RR Martin's [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► books in the European you know why you [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► know exactly I don't know [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► don't even try yeah that's the challenge [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► of writing series i feel like it's is [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► you know how do you make I i mean i like [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► that sort of that plot of you know the [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► idea of being like this is the [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► continuing Adventures of so and so and [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► so you can read an adventure and still [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► sort of have an idea what's going on [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► if you read other adventures of these [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► characters you will know more you will [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► get a little more out of it but you [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► won't be entirely lost if you have never [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► read anything else whereas these long [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► sort of sagas that that jumped from you [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► know that are thousands of thousands of [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► pages long if you haven't read all the [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► way from beginning your your kind of a [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► kind of a creek i will give george RR [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► martin incredible he does not fall for [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► the the trap of trying to recap [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► everything that's happened previously [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► just goes right into that will be [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► impossible [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► I don't need the recap would be like [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► half the length yeah its first 800 pages [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► of the book and just be like a really [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► boring Lee written revision the first [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► and then they did this and any what [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► doesn't kill this night this night did [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► this and this guy did previously on a [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► game of thrones know if there is too [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► much [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► let me sum up there are dragons and [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► somewhere White Walkers the others [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► that's all you need to know it's yes [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► very good versus evil [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► here we go no here's how you do it go [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► back and read [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► the first started there just they will [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► you open it up it should be like us on [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► alert goes off don't know [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► don't buy this book almost you bought [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► the other books by opening this book you [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► agree to buy all previous books [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► atmosphere that explains how he makes so [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► much money it will apparently all of the [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► other books are back on the New York [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► Times bestseller list yeah he holds a [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► picture of HBO lots of money and over [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► fist yes he can pay that guy who [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► researches all the characters for his [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► novels know the crowd burn you know [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► reading crowd burn was it was [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► interesting because having she hadn't [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► written a book in this universe and so [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► long that I thought it was kind of funny [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► that it clearly was something that was [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► an idea like like we talked about in the [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► mouse podcast ethan of athos which I [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► didn't like I thought it was really bad [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► but it was clearly about something right [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► she was saying okay what are the [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► ramifications of having the uterine [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► replicator so that you don't actually [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► need women to have babies and cry Auburn [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► was very much like that in the sense not [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► message that was bad because i liked it [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► but it in the sense that it was about [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► something which is what what is the one [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► of the ramifications of the cryogenic [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► system that she put in that saved my [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► life we can freeze people and bring them [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► back later and there's this planet where [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► the voters are large leaf frozen corpse [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► this and they've got voting rights and [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► there's a-there cryo tombs and and i [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► love the the economic hijinks that I [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► don't ruin it for everybody but i think [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► the whole idea of what happens is very [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► yeah it's one of the ways it's kind of [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► like there's a nefarious plot right but [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► yeah it's fascinating in the way that [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► it's executed [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► yeah and in the end you know it all [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► hangs on the coincidence that this kid [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► finds miles when he's stumbling around [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► in the street and the kid happens to be [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► the mother or the the son of the his [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► mother is like the key pivotal figure in [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► this conspiracy [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► so there's some there's some you know I [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► i always say anything really [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► boy that was lucky that that kid fella [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► minus miles attractive [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► thing but that's just a little as 14 lat [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► coincidence right [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► yeah but after that I mean it's there's [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► like a whole like cryogenic lab that set [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► up an abandoned building and I mean it's [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► wacky it's but it was it was a lot of [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► fun and you could tell that she enjoyed [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► having as well done together you know [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► yeah and you get to see some of the [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► other characters pop in mark pops in for [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► a little while [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► yeah yeah there's some you know i love [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► the character the character who i [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► thought i would really dislike the guy [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► who's the the ambassador [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► oh he turned out to be very good future [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► doesn't look very pretty cool actually [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► although i did that the the little [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► ending where he falls in love with the [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► what's-her-name I saw that coming [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► yes I was a little it was a little [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► telling but still I I like that he ended [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► that you know you think he's going to be [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► one of those bureaucratic guys who miles [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► so often encounters he's just going to [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► be a pain in the ass and gets forward [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► it's right what really turns out to be [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► kind of a useful sympathetic character [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► they expected to be the obstructionist [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► bureaucrat be or as they say in the [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► simpsons it means it gets results you [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► stupid chief right you expect him to be [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► that guy right [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► it's like he stops the cop from the cop [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► on the edge there are buildings by the [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► loose cannon and that's right hand in [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► your badge and gun my desk but and then [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► you get you get some nice time with the [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► it's a nice time with ronak who I grown [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► to really really like right as a series [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► has gone on and a couple nights you can [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► I mean I enjoyed especially because she [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► takes the time to tell the story from [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► what's-his-name the kids point of view [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► option is jen yeah you get you get an [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► interesting totally different [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► perspective right on miles is a special [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► way [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► exactly exactly mr. Solomon just a [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► little fellow he's always like that what [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► I have an idea about a child as a nice [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► little digression there i have to get [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► insurance order I I liked it a lot [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► better than I liked diplomatic immunity [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► which is one of my least favorite books [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► in this area actually is that the one [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► with the wacky shenanigans with the [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► butter but listen no no that is that [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► civil campaign i love so okay greats [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► what's diplomatic immunity diplomatic [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► immunity is the one before it where it's [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► the air on the space station [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► and there's qualities is that the it was [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► an attempt to do like sort of a murder [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► mystery but it also it just didn't it [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► was so divorced from everything that was [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► kind of interesting there were so few [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► characters I felt like that the stove [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► you the familiar characters in it in [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► some ways that it felt really like alien [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► oh and they end up in there there's a [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► showdown in the spaceship where yeah [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► yeah it was not my favorite I mean it [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► has its moments ago we have am I was [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► yeah well I mean that was Stephen only [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► loosely even a mile yeah now it's not i [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► enjoyed even eventos I thought was very [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► interesting [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► alright showdown go fight the jet that's [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► why I'm go [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► that's my only argument all right take [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► that no you didnt Scott haha dough you [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► hated it smell wins again [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► ah you should you should tell us what [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► you've been reading Jason yes well I [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► finish briber which again starting with [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► that I our way we mentioned that earlier [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► i believe if i recall correctly and i am [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► reading a book called the hidden reality [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► where is it it is all around us the [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► closet check the clock that it's by [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► brian greene who is a fast and it's [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► elegant science books that i like and he [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► wrote the elegant universe which is as [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► confused people who want to know about [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► string theory in much the same way if [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► it's Stephen Hawking's book a brief [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► history of time confuse people who [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► wanted to know about relativity I like I [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► loved that book actually and and this is [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► his third I think of these popular [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► science books and it's about parallel [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► universes and how they could actually be [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► scientifically possible and it's good [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► it's good it's not topical it's hard [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► it's hard rowing in a sense that you [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► know it's physics and you've got a you [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► can't exactly be listening to a baseball [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► game while you're reading it as somebody [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► who tried this York it can't be done [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► because then he started to drop [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► something on you about well if they're [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► if it's an infinitely expanding universe [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► that means there's an infinite expanse [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► in the universe which means there's an [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► infinite number of galaxies and if [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► that's true and it's truly infinite then [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► there's another planet somewhere out [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► there in the universe that's exactly [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► hours did you know there is in fact an [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► infinite number of them and it's like [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► what I have to turn off the baseball [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► game [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► oh but it's good stuff it's it's really [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► interesting he's very good at at [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► bringing these but mind-blowing things [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► that are happening and in modern physics [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► and trying to explain it it with you [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► know some analogies and try to get you [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► understand what an 11 dimensional string [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► theory based space-time would would be [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► like which is really hard but he does a [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► pretty good job so i recommend the Brian [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► Greene you know his series start with [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► the elegant universe which is excellent [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► about string theory if it has been a the [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► Pluto files by neil degrasse tyson i [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► haven't although I I should because i [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► read i think i spent on an earlier [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► podcast i read Mike Brown's book how I [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► killed Pluto and why it had it coming [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► which is a lot of fun about being a [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► working astronomer and finding these [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► deep solar system objects but i haven't [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► read the profiles [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► it's a lo lot of fun because he gets a [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► so Neil deGrasse Tyson runs the Hayden [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► Planetarium planetarium exactly so here [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► they they changed their their [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► representation of the solar system [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► material out and grouped with other [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► other things because they group the [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► planets in the ways that they were [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► grouped with celestial objects and so [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► then that kind of started this whole [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► thing about him killing Pluto and the [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► push the original saludo killer he was [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► and your favorite pounds that he's [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► getting like letters from four-year-olds [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► written in crayon accusing him exactly [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► why did you need dear dr. Tyson neil [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► degrasse tyson why did you kill flew to [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► open i am very sad sad face here exactly [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► yeah I know he's a funny guy I actually [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► follow him on twitter and he has he is [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► very smart and funny guy and I've been [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► to the Hayden Planetarium and I saw the [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► diorama and afterward i thought you know [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► i think that i think that's the place [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► where they killed Pluto are there is [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► there a little chalk outline exactly [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► little circle at the underfloor but I [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► did read the reason Empire has anyone [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► heard of this by scott westerfeld who is [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► now that you mention it on [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► on the Twitter I i enjoyed it he scott [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► westerfeld is probably best known for [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► his young adult fiction now so he wrote [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► Leviathan and behemoths and some other [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► books that kids like to read [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► I an adult center but the the reason [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► Empire is his he explains on his website [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► that he wanted to write the space opera [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► that he wanted to read when he was a [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► fourteen-year-old so he wrote the reason [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► empire which is a fascinating book about [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► this empire called the reason empire who [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► they figure out how to cheat death by [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► creating this viet that will give you [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► eternal life but the problem is you have [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► to be dead before it can be implanted [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► into you so kind of resurrects you and [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► then there are other races that have [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► solved the problem of immortality in [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► different ways and so it's an [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► interesting book but you should read it [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► there are two books that were actually [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► written as one book so if you decide you [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► want to read the reason Empire make sure [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► you get the sequel because it is in fact [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► one book and the first bar ends very [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► abruptly ah that seems to get around now [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► if you know we're going in it's not a [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► problem right [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► it's if you don't get going in yet why [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► that's dangerous no residents to me that [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► happened to me with the economy blog [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► economy was here to back out [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► I like mattered man she's running [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► children pages they're not gonna get out [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► ok guess that just stops right there [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► this is basically this book stops like [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► in the middle of the climactic battle [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► and it's just stops sure that is awkward [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► good rage rage [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► alright i like talking about books I I [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► wish I read more books it's hard to find [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► time to read so many good books that are [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► out there that I hear about on the [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► podcast and some mediocre ones i don't [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► have any time to reread things [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► dan and I am [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► yeah I don't know I I it's hard to get [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► me into some new books [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► I'm very now I I [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► I'm very now I I [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► you know like if there's an author the [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► way that I follow and like anything come [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► up with a new book i almost always read [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► it but I'm very skittish sometimes about [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► about reading new unproven mother's [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► unproven to you or unproven in general [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► just to me I'm i am very very [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► self-centered ridic [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► oh yeah self-centered self-centered [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► self-interested egotistical arrogant [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► yep that kinda stuff if so yeah that's [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► me alright well thank you for joining me [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► and talking about books it's so nice to [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► feel as if I am surrounded by people who [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► are literate my friend got a fortune and [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► misfortune cookie the other night that [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► said you are not illiterate while high [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► praise that was quite a quite a [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► backhanded couple in bed haha how many [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► gold that is why Scott McNulty is here [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► also because he read lots of books it's [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► true [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► alright well thanks to everybody for [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► joining us on the podcast tonight thanks [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► to my compatriots although we aren't [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► green-skinned aliens fighting [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► compatriots we are still looking for [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► that some patriotic it's dan more'n [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► thankyou thankyou results and Scott [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► McMurphy thank you as always [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► hello it's a pleasure as a until next [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► time this is justin still for the [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► uncomfortable signing off [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► I have never picked up one of those [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► books they are not good but I read them [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► all [TS]