The Incomparable

37: Shadow War of the Night Dragons


00:00:00   the incomparable pod test number 37 may [TS]

00:00:14   welcome back to the incomparable I'm [TS]

00:00:16   Jason smell i'm joined today by Dan [TS]

00:00:20   more'n hi Dan [TS]

00:00:21   hello Jess and it's so nice to be on [TS]

00:00:23   this podcast with you after so long [TS]

00:00:25   since i was last on a podcast video also [TS]

00:00:28   joining me today is Scott McNulty hello [TS]

00:00:32   hello [TS]

00:00:33   we form we we brave 3form this [TS]

00:00:38   particular invocation of the [TS]

00:00:42   incomparable book club so John Scalzi is [TS]

00:00:46   our topic today John Scalzi [TS]

00:00:47   award-winning I believe science fiction [TS]

00:00:51   writer president of the science-fiction [TS]

00:00:53   writers association of america i believe [TS]

00:00:56   it's okay i hope to someday be a member [TS]

00:00:57   of the Association working working hard [TS]

00:00:59   at it [TS]

00:01:00   that would be that would be good you [TS]

00:01:01   need to write more science fiction I [TS]

00:01:02   guess [TS]

00:01:03   oh maybe everything from science fiction [TS]

00:01:05   yes well you can always aspire we can [TS]

00:01:09   all aspire damn i aspire to that to that [TS]

00:01:11   would be great [TS]

00:01:12   top great he has so he's in the news [TS]

00:01:15   he's got a new book coming out called [TS]

00:01:16   buzzy nation fuzzy nasally nation which [TS]

00:01:20   is a which is a recasting I guess of an [TS]

00:01:23   older book [TS]

00:01:24   yeah so that's interesting we'll start [TS]

00:01:26   we'll start there why not if there's a [TS]

00:01:27   book called little fuzzy which is by [TS]

00:01:31   beam Piper H beam Piper from the sixties [TS]

00:01:35   and it's a very sort of sixties book [TS]

00:01:38   where there's a protagonist with a pipe [TS]

00:01:40   and easie he's healthy discovers he [TS]

00:01:43   works for a mining company and he [TS]

00:01:45   discovers little cute aliens [TS]

00:01:47   you had me at protagonist of the pipe is [TS]

00:01:49   a savvy guy and what's funny is that [TS]

00:01:51   scholars book is coming out its I [TS]

00:01:55   believe little fuzzy is in the public [TS]

00:01:58   domain but here is some sequels that are [TS]

00:02:02   under copyright and scalzi help H beam [TS]

00:02:06   Piper did so scalzi decided for unto it [TS]

00:02:10   i think unexplained reasons I think he [TS]

00:02:11   was just kind of in a funk and so he [TS]

00:02:13   decided to write basically as fanfiction [TS]

00:02:15   a a reboot of of little fuzzy basically [TS]

00:02:19   a modern john scalzi type retelling of [TS]

00:02:22   the story of that of that book and by [TS]

00:02:25   the time you get to the end he says that [TS]

00:02:27   he really liked it and [TS]

00:02:28   so he had his agent or lawyer or [TS]

00:02:30   somebody approached the estate of Piper [TS]

00:02:34   and asked if they could have permission [TS]

00:02:36   to publish it and they said yes so this [TS]

00:02:38   book that was sort of written on a lark [TS]

00:02:40   is is now the new john scalzi novel i [TS]

00:02:44   find that kind of a fascinating idea [TS]

00:02:45   just did you know sort of broadly [TS]

00:02:47   speaking it's there's a lot of [TS]

00:02:49   interesting you know I think there's [TS]

00:02:52   there's so much function you know so [TS]

00:02:53   much attention on being original which [TS]

00:02:55   is which is great i think obviously it's [TS]

00:02:58   always cool to see new stories but at [TS]

00:02:59   the same time we all know as anyone [TS]

00:03:01   who's written anything knows when you [TS]

00:03:03   get down to the base of it there are no [TS]

00:03:04   new stories so I think there's always [TS]

00:03:07   it's always interesting to think about [TS]

00:03:08   some of our favorite works i think and [TS]

00:03:10   wonder how how could that have gone [TS]

00:03:12   differently or you know what what if i [TS]

00:03:16   change this one thing would make the [TS]

00:03:17   story really different or not i mean i [TS]

00:03:19   think that's a fascinating thing to to [TS]

00:03:21   play around with and I think it's it [TS]

00:03:22   that at the root of sort of what makes [TS]

00:03:24   scalzi kind of think he's kinda [TS]

00:03:26   emblematic of a lot of you know sort of [TS]

00:03:28   the modern genre of science fiction [TS]

00:03:29   writers which is a lot of it is sort of [TS]

00:03:31   a mosh and pastiche in some ways to two [TS]

00:03:35   things that have gone before because so [TS]

00:03:36   much of it is so established at two [TS]

00:03:39   words with a French pronunciation think [TS]

00:03:41   I can I think I can do this all about [TS]

00:03:42   guess the effects of people that i wish [TS]

00:03:45   i could say with this podcast is over in [TS]

00:03:46   French but I don't even know what okay [TS]

00:03:48   if you need dick doesn't that mean this [TS]

00:03:51   place is dead but i'm really speaking [TS]

00:03:53   things [TS]

00:03:54   well yeah but as you say also reminds me [TS]

00:03:56   of them another writer but not as big a [TS]

00:03:58   fan of charles stross who I think a lot [TS]

00:04:00   of his writing a lot of his stories [TS]

00:04:03   borrow or tip their hat two things that [TS]

00:04:07   came before he's got for example series [TS]

00:04:09   that that plays sort of broadly in the [TS]

00:04:12   Lovecraft you know world and so the it's [TS]

00:04:15   interesting to see them sort of a not [TS]

00:04:16   necessarily appropriate but but build [TS]

00:04:18   off of these these older public-domain [TS]

00:04:20   works and create something that's new [TS]

00:04:23   but also kind of old took and borrowed a [TS]

00:04:27   book from 50 years ago and basically [TS]

00:04:29   said what would a modern a modern [TS]

00:04:31   science fiction writer do with the same [TS]

00:04:33   story but you know with very different [TS]

00:04:36   kind of expectations for what a modern [TS]

00:04:38   science fiction novelist it's much more [TS]

00:04:40   complex care [TS]

00:04:41   derstand it's more sort of political [TS]

00:04:43   stuff happening and and and and it's [TS]

00:04:46   interesting although he said he read it [TS]

00:04:49   repeatedly as a kid but when he came [TS]

00:04:51   time to write it he didn't read it again [TS]

00:04:53   so it and apparently it diverges in many [TS]

00:04:57   ways from the book because then he read [TS]

00:04:58   the book after he had written his [TS]

00:05:00   version of it was like oh I have no [TS]

00:05:01   memory of this part so it's interesting [TS]

00:05:03   it's sort of like his retelling of his [TS]

00:05:05   memory of the book and not the actual [TS]

00:05:08   book it's kind of a good idea i think it [TS]

00:05:12   is but yeah I mean you could see that [TS]

00:05:13   with I I'm surprised it doesn't happen [TS]

00:05:17   more but you know books are owned by the [TS]

00:05:20   writers and or or if they passed away by [TS]

00:05:23   their estates and so you don't see what [TS]

00:05:26   you see with movies and TV shows where [TS]

00:05:27   Corporation owns the rights and use it [TS]

00:05:31   as an asset for them to repurpose in [TS]

00:05:34   some way and so you see reboots and [TS]

00:05:36   remakes of movies and TV shows all the [TS]

00:05:38   time but you don't see it with books and [TS]

00:05:40   it's actually kind of funny it would be [TS]

00:05:41   interesting yet you do see it on [TS]

00:05:43   occasion I mean think of all very rare [TS]

00:05:46   well but you mean you think of all the [TS]

00:05:47   states that sort of you know they dub [TS]

00:05:49   you know Aaron's parents to following [TS]

00:05:51   story you know how many people right [TS]

00:05:53   Robert Ludlum novels your wounds right [TS]

00:05:55   yeah that's not the same as I mean [TS]

00:05:57   imagine a modern sci-fi novelist doing [TS]

00:06:01   dune right i mean Lois McMaster Bujold [TS]

00:06:04   dune right fuck starting battles for [TS]

00:06:08   storage here [TS]

00:06:09   well sure fighting Paul would be miles [TS]

00:06:11   writer now she's capable enough to write [TS]

00:06:14   an interesting characters but just [TS]

00:06:15   imagine something like that where you [TS]

00:06:17   take a modern sci-fi writer and some [TS]

00:06:19   classic that was written so long ago [TS]

00:06:21   that presumably it would be told in a [TS]

00:06:23   very different way now this is which [TS]

00:06:24   this is a game that we should start [TS]

00:06:26   that's a good a shots of older science [TS]

00:06:28   fiction with newer all that I've got [TS]

00:06:30   lois mcmaster bujold is doing you know [TS]

00:06:32   top that one doe [TS]

00:06:35   hmm i have a child china melville [TS]

00:06:39   starship troopers who that's pretty good [TS]

00:06:42   how about Nick Hardaway's foundation who [TS]

00:06:50   actually that would be I would probably [TS]

00:06:52   way better than the original [TS]

00:06:54   yeah well the homeland [TS]

00:06:55   hey right foundation although a classic [TS]

00:06:57   is you know all the Asimov stuff is [TS]

00:06:59   really you know he's got his he's got [TS]

00:07:02   his issues he there things that he [TS]

00:07:04   doesn't do well as human relationships [TS]

00:07:05   are often kind of bland and he's got big [TS]

00:07:08   ideas but the people are often kind of [TS]

00:07:10   cardboard and you know it would be [TS]

00:07:11   fascinating to see somebody who's got a [TS]

00:07:13   different skill set take you know the [TS]

00:07:16   the interesting stuff for massive mob [TS]

00:07:17   and do something different with it or or [TS]

00:07:19   any of his authors from 50 years ago [TS]

00:07:22   well but within the Foundation series [TS]

00:07:24   they did have three books that were [TS]

00:07:25   written by three different science [TS]

00:07:27   fiction authors modern-day science right [TS]

00:07:29   that's true that's true that they [TS]

00:07:31   weren't very good so let's yeah just [TS]

00:07:34   goes to show you i guess i would like to [TS]

00:07:36   see somebody we take on some of the [TS]

00:07:37   works of philip k dick like CA and fax [TS]

00:07:40   it works Anthony's yeah well speaking of [TS]

00:07:44   which there is no model scalzi wrote a [TS]

00:07:46   book called Androids Dream which I have [TS]

00:07:48   not read but it's on my kindle and that [TS]

00:07:50   is that is what i read that one [TS]

00:07:52   it's it's much more of a it's much more [TS]

00:07:55   value of a humor book it's more loving [TS]

00:07:57   and legolas atoms in some ways [TS]

00:08:00   probably my favorite of his works [TS]

00:08:02   whatsoever right up [TS]

00:08:04   what's the idea behind the android [TS]

00:08:05   stream it involves with the these aliens [TS]

00:08:08   they come to earth [TS]

00:08:10   I'm trying to remember all i remember is [TS]

00:08:13   that it [TS]

00:08:14   there's something very there so there's [TS]

00:08:16   a major plot point I feel like they had [TS]

00:08:17   to deal with like flatulence yes because [TS]

00:08:20   the aliens communicate using sent as [TS]

00:08:24   well as a speech is that not agent to [TS]

00:08:29   the stars [TS]

00:08:31   no that's all we know maybe that maybe [TS]

00:08:33   an agent to the stars [TS]

00:08:34   I have a red agent to the stars although [TS]

00:08:36   that was the first one I ever heard of [TS]

00:08:37   him with because the my crew like from [TS]

00:08:42   penny arcade the cover when he released [TS]

00:08:44   it online it was a it was like a [TS]

00:08:46   shareware yeah originally which is [TS]

00:08:50   another inch that mean like i'll say [TS]

00:08:51   this I one of the things I really like [TS]

00:08:53   what causes hehe really [TS]

00:08:54   he plays around with all this stuff [TS]

00:08:56   right he's not he's he's very involved [TS]

00:08:58   and engaged in what is the modern form [TS]

00:09:02   right of a book or or you know what [TS]

00:09:06   story for example [TS]

00:09:08   I know he for a my favorite thing that [TS]

00:09:11   he's done recently out of either did you [TS]

00:09:13   read on the on April fools day he wrote [TS]

00:09:19   this prologue so that is the backup [TS]

00:09:22   oh I think I covered got his tour book [TS]

00:09:24   store books did an analysis at some [TS]

00:09:26   point of the most common words in [TS]

00:09:29   fantasy saga titles right [TS]

00:09:32   the shadow war of the night dragons and [TS]

00:09:37   so John Scalzi wrote are like he wrote [TS]

00:09:40   the first comment on the post were they [TS]

00:09:43   were they wrote about this egg I will [TS]

00:09:45   write this series you can just back the [TS]

00:09:47   dump trucks of money up to my door now [TS]

00:09:48   and then for april fools day he actually [TS]

00:09:51   wrote the prologue to books the shadow [TS]

00:09:55   war of the night dragons book1 the Dead [TS]

00:09:57   City and if you haven't gotten a chance [TS]

00:10:01   to read this [TS]

00:10:01   go read this it is hilarious it is one [TS]

00:10:04   of the funniest things i've read in ages [TS]

00:10:06   because he clearly just started like [TS]

00:10:07   what's the most ridiculous thing you [TS]

00:10:10   know i could write and then just kept [TS]

00:10:13   going and building on it and like it [TS]

00:10:14   gets more and more ridiculous and but [TS]

00:10:16   it's so perfectly constructed mockery of [TS]

00:10:20   you know all the things that that we [TS]

00:10:22   love to make fun of about fantasy I've [TS]

00:10:25   got the the first paragraph of the [TS]

00:10:28   shadow war of the night dragons up there [TS]

00:10:31   I just want to be the first the first [TS]

00:10:32   sentence which is a paragraph knighted [TS]

00:10:34   come to the city of school and Aria the [TS]

00:10:37   sort of night with such a quality of [TS]

00:10:39   black to it that it was as if Blaque [TS]

00:10:40   Cole had been wrapped in black as velvet [TS]

00:10:42   bathed in the purple black ink of the [TS]

00:10:44   demon squid trindle and flung down a [TS]

00:10:47   black well that descended toward the [TS]

00:10:48   deepest black as crevices of drinkable [TS]

00:10:50   phangan another world ruled by dribble [TS]

00:10:53   in which the sinful were punished the [TS]

00:10:54   black of which was so legendarily black [TS]

00:10:56   that when the dreaded trindle thing in [TS]

00:10:59   flag in the ravenous blind black badger [TS]

00:11:01   trolls of dribble thinkin with feast [TS]

00:11:03   upon the uselessly dilated eyes of [TS]

00:11:05   damned the abandoned would cry out enjoy [TS]

00:11:07   as the dreadful thing in flag in morton [TS]

00:11:10   feared black spoons of the journal [TS]

00:11:12   thingy flagon pressed against the optic [TS]

00:11:14   nerves giving them one last sensation of [TS]

00:11:16   light before the most absolute blackness [TS]

00:11:18   fell upon them made yet even blacker by [TS]

00:11:20   the injuries sustained from a falling [TS]

00:11:22   lump of [TS]

00:11:22   pink Bates velvet trapped old yaxha he [TS]

00:11:30   said he's got a great sense of humor and [TS]

00:11:32   you see that I think most of us work [TS]

00:11:33   not all of it but most of whom have you [TS]

00:11:36   guys read the God engines which was a [TS]

00:11:38   novella that he published it wasn't [TS]

00:11:40   hilarious it was off it was a huge [TS]

00:11:42   menomonie that was not funny it was not [TS]

00:11:45   familiar but I did read it it was good i [TS]

00:11:48   thought it was weird way it's it's sort [TS]

00:11:50   of like there's a their priests who have [TS]

00:11:53   a spaceship and they capture demons to [TS]

00:11:56   travel from star system to star system [TS]

00:11:58   and and that the demons are Devils or [TS]

00:12:00   whatever they are are sort of tricksters [TS]

00:12:02   and not to be trusted and yet they're [TS]

00:12:04   sort of torn tortured and tormented and [TS]

00:12:07   and some I think the captain has a [TS]

00:12:10   crisis of faith at one point and get [TS]

00:12:12   smacked down by God and it's it's very [TS]

00:12:14   strange because it's the sort of [TS]

00:12:16   religion as the propulsion system for [TS]

00:12:20   these spaceships and it it turns out [TS]

00:12:22   that they're horribly exploiting various [TS]

00:12:26   populations and its really dark and not [TS]

00:12:29   funny i was good and weird and not funny [TS]

00:12:32   good visitor since it is that supposed [TS]

00:12:36   to be funny as I guess what I'm saying [TS]

00:12:37   it shows that he doesn't always do [TS]

00:12:39   light-hearted that is true is a very it [TS]

00:12:42   was a much darker book that his other [TS]

00:12:44   works [TS]

00:12:45   yeah but it was good it was that he's [TS]

00:12:47   got some range so so the thing that John [TS]

00:12:50   Scalzi is most famous for which I figure [TS]

00:12:52   we spend most of our time talking about [TS]

00:12:54   we got into it last which is interesting [TS]

00:12:56   this is his reboot of the forever war [TS]

00:12:59   oh I said it caves of steel John skull [TS]

00:13:05   does the caves of steel i would read [TS]

00:13:07   that as well very easy to please see I'm [TS]

00:13:11   just I'm just coming up with them you [TS]

00:13:12   know you are you're much better than [TS]

00:13:13   this is a fun game we should open this [TS]

00:13:16   up to the podcast listeners to send in [TS]

00:13:18   their own reboots of modern science [TS]

00:13:22   fiction writers rebooting [TS]

00:13:23   science-fiction novels of old just to [TS]

00:13:27   make sure to enclose a check with your [TS]

00:13:29   submission [TS]

00:13:30   yes and a self-addressed stop stamped [TS]

00:13:32   unable to be uncomfortable right Dan [TS]

00:13:34   morons war [TS]

00:13:35   four of the world's oh I've got a very [TS]

00:13:38   good plot for that whole all right but I [TS]

00:13:41   suspect it weird that i was something [TS]

00:13:43   else yes sir john scalzi is most well [TS]

00:13:46   known for his old man's war series which [TS]

00:13:49   is actually for books the original old [TS]

00:13:53   man's war highly acclaimed and i believe [TS]

00:13:56   has just been optioned is probably [TS]

00:13:58   possibly going to be made into a major [TS]

00:14:00   motion picture I've heard but that's a [TS]

00:14:05   that you know that's a good book i [TS]

00:14:07   assume you guys have have read that I [TS]

00:14:10   have you right now all those PS i read [TS]

00:14:13   all four alright i thought i read all [TS]

00:14:16   four of them but it turns out there the [TS]

00:14:17   first 10 it seems like a little too [TS]

00:14:20   close too close or or I i read the other [TS]

00:14:23   three and I've completely forgot [TS]

00:14:25   everything but also old man's war the [TS]

00:14:29   premise if it's been a little while now [TS]

00:14:31   is that when you're on earth and you're [TS]

00:14:33   really old [TS]

00:14:35   you can sign up to basically join the [TS]

00:14:38   space army and if you join the space [TS]

00:14:40   army they grow you a new clone body [TS]

00:14:43   that's young and healthy so that's a [TS]

00:14:46   plus because otherwise you're gonna get [TS]

00:14:47   it and it's green so it's green but the [TS]

00:14:50   downside is you can never go back to [TS]

00:14:52   earth and because the Space wars are [TS]

00:14:55   really tough you'll probably just died [TS]

00:14:57   in battle but you'll have it has its [TS]

00:15:01   pros and it's comes but you know so that [TS]

00:15:05   and that's how it starts like the first [TS]

00:15:07   chapter right where this guy John joy [TS]

00:15:10   out of promise right yeah yeah a lot of [TS]

00:15:15   people if it's funny it gets it gets [TS]

00:15:17   compared a lot 22 ender's game and I [TS]

00:15:20   think that's because there are some [TS]

00:15:22   there are some there are some [TS]

00:15:24   superficial similarities and the the [TS]

00:15:26   sort of high-concept pitch that you [TS]

00:15:28   often hear it it's like ender's game but [TS]

00:15:30   with old people and I think you know [TS]

00:15:33   it's funny because a one of my good [TS]

00:15:35   friends he had put off reading it for a [TS]

00:15:38   long time and then you just recently [TS]

00:15:40   started reading it goes wow this is this [TS]

00:15:42   is much better I kept putting it off [TS]

00:15:43   because people kept comparing to ender's [TS]

00:15:44   game he said like you know which I liked [TS]

00:15:46   but like I didn't necessarily want to [TS]

00:15:47   read [TS]

00:15:48   you know am and I think they're there [TS]

00:15:50   are at the kind of does the book of the [TS]

00:15:52   service because although i really like [TS]

00:15:55   ender's game and think is it one of the [TS]

00:15:56   most seminal books with the last science [TS]

00:15:58   fiction books the last like you know 30 [TS]

00:16:00   years or so they are very different in [TS]

00:16:03   tone if nothing else the style is very [TS]

00:16:05   high line like which I you know I look [TS]

00:16:07   at the wikipedia entry and people have [TS]

00:16:09   yes if people are mentioning the two [TS]

00:16:11   books that I was going to mention it's [TS]

00:16:12   like which is starship troopers in the [TS]

00:16:14   forever war and there is so much high [TS]

00:16:16   line that runs through especially this [TS]

00:16:18   series it's definitely an homage to [TS]

00:16:20   highline in some ways [TS]

00:16:21   ya know i think that's that's definitely [TS]

00:16:24   true i mean i think it's it seems [TS]

00:16:27   lighter to me then then some of those [TS]

00:16:29   other other books I mean a lighter than [TS]

00:16:31   the forever war yeah just a little [TS]

00:16:33   uh-huh the downer also just in terms of [TS]

00:16:37   the narrative in terms of the the you [TS]

00:16:40   know the protagonist viewpoint that we [TS]

00:16:41   see things through [TS]

00:16:43   I don't know I i find it maybe just more [TS]

00:16:46   accessible or something there's [TS]

00:16:47   something about his writing that is very [TS]

00:16:48   is very colloquial is very accessible by [TS]

00:16:51   having an old man who turns into the [TS]

00:16:52   soldier you get you get to tell that [TS]

00:16:54   that almost like starship troopers you [TS]

00:16:57   get to tell a war story with this funny [TS]

00:16:59   viewpoint which is a an old man so he's [TS]

00:17:02   got a whole life's worth the worth of [TS]

00:17:04   experiences and although he's not you [TS]

00:17:06   know used to being out in space and all [TS]

00:17:08   that he's not a wet-behind-the-ears kid [TS]

00:17:12   either and it's a great you know it and [TS]

00:17:15   it's a great little combination where he [TS]

00:17:17   you know and there are some interesting [TS]

00:17:18   characters and it is even though as his [TS]

00:17:20   his compatriots get you know killed in [TS]

00:17:25   these horrible firefighters from time to [TS]

00:17:26   time it is still there's sort of a light [TS]

00:17:28   aspect to it to right and there's other [TS]

00:17:33   i don't know i mean you know there [TS]

00:17:35   there's sort of this whole like culture [TS]

00:17:37   shock sort of with the whole when they [TS]

00:17:40   put them in the new bodies all of a [TS]

00:17:43   sudden you know there is this moment of [TS]

00:17:45   hey we're all young again you know let's [TS]

00:17:49   take advantage of everything the right [TS]

00:17:50   has to offer us basically so but he [TS]

00:17:52   doesn't ignore that they actually set it [TS]

00:17:53   up we're like there's a period of time [TS]

00:17:55   with a water traveling to wherever [TS]

00:17:56   they're going to get slaughtered where [TS]

00:17:58   it's basically party on the ship because [TS]

00:18:00   everybody's in there [TS]

00:18:01   new bar in their new young bodies young [TS]

00:18:03   athletic like super soldier body's not [TS]

00:18:05   like yep you know what to do and then [TS]

00:18:08   and then you know in a couple of days [TS]

00:18:09   we'll go down on the planet and most of [TS]

00:18:12   you will get killed for the glory of the [TS]

00:18:13   human race [TS]

00:18:15   yeah well I mean and that's where that's [TS]

00:18:16   where the sort of i feel like that's [TS]

00:18:18   where it gets a little more complexity [TS]

00:18:19   you know along the lines of some of [TS]

00:18:21   those other books in terms of why is [TS]

00:18:24   this war began and I think that that [TS]

00:18:25   intensifies as the books go on right [TS]

00:18:27   rise this war being fought who are they [TS]

00:18:29   fighting exactly you know and i think [TS]

00:18:33   there's some really interesting like you [TS]

00:18:34   point out that about them not going back [TS]

00:18:35   to earth which as I recall was a sort of [TS]

00:18:37   like a political move right basically [TS]

00:18:39   because you know in theory these guys [TS]

00:18:42   are like genetically engineered better [TS]

00:18:43   than all the people on on on earth so it [TS]

00:18:46   wouldn't really be you know they're kind [TS]

00:18:49   of worried that these these super [TS]

00:18:51   soldiers might turn on member something [TS]

00:18:52   eventually when they they want to keep [TS]

00:18:55   as it turns out but the politicians sort [TS]

00:18:57   of want to keep the earth under their [TS]

00:19:00   thumb and answer so what is almost like [TS]

00:19:02   a it's not quite as zoo but it's almost [TS]

00:19:04   like that where it's like you know when [TS]

00:19:06   your honor if you're on earth and once [TS]

00:19:07   you leave her if you don't go back [TS]

00:19:09   you see it's just like a little preserve [TS]

00:19:11   of where all the original humans live [TS]

00:19:14   and then there's the big wide the big [TS]

00:19:16   bite world which I love the widescreen [TS]

00:19:19   aspect of it to where they're a bunch of [TS]

00:19:20   different alien races and there and then [TS]

00:19:22   they're they're sort of different human [TS]

00:19:25   groups as well and there's like search [TS]

00:19:28   for territory and and they try to take [TS]

00:19:30   planets and take them back so there's [TS]

00:19:31   like the politics that's going on and [TS]

00:19:34   there's the the especially the CIA kind [TS]

00:19:36   of military intelligence that's going on [TS]

00:19:39   so it's not just the the grunts and in [TS]

00:19:43   fact the character kind of works its way [TS]

00:19:46   up and gets a to peek inside the though [TS]

00:19:48   the way the war machine works so so he's [TS]

00:19:51   not just an infantry guy all right and [TS]

00:19:53   as we as we progress you know as we [TS]

00:19:55   follow them throughout the series he [TS]

00:19:57   gets two more increasingly important [TS]

00:19:59   roles to the point where was the third [TS]

00:20:02   book that he become sort of the the [TS]

00:20:04   leader of this colony or one of the [TS]

00:20:07   major people like sort of founding a new [TS]

00:20:09   colony which is kind of any i mean i [TS]

00:20:11   think that the book has a really [TS]

00:20:12   interesting plot in that [TS]

00:20:15   there is this whole again like you're [TS]

00:20:17   talking about the land grab type thing [TS]

00:20:18   and then the earth takes it to sort of [TS]

00:20:22   the next logical step in some ways to [TS]

00:20:25   how are they going to found a colony [TS]

00:20:27   that is not in danger of being attacked [TS]

00:20:30   and and occupied by these other aliens [TS]

00:20:33   and that is you know it's basically [TS]

00:20:36   let's let's not tell anybody where [TS]

00:20:38   they're going like let's convince the [TS]

00:20:40   overall going one place and then send [TS]

00:20:42   them someplace totally else so that they [TS]

00:20:44   can even get home [TS]

00:20:46   yeah thatthat's a there there's there's [TS]

00:20:49   so much going on then in the last colony [TS]

00:20:51   the third book the second book the ghost [TS]

00:20:53   brigades scott i know i read it and i [TS]

00:20:55   look at the description of its kind of [TS]

00:20:57   edible though and I don't remember it's [TS]

00:20:58   set in the same world but really there [TS]

00:21:00   are only a couple characters it you know [TS]

00:21:02   in in common variant well there's the [TS]

00:21:04   main ki mean the main the main virtue of [TS]

00:21:07   it is that one of the characters that [TS]

00:21:09   comes out of it becomes very important [TS]

00:21:12   in the third book and in fact the fourth [TS]

00:21:14   book is told from her perspective [TS]

00:21:16   mmm do I certainly have read the fourth [TS]

00:21:18   book and i don't think i've read the [TS]

00:21:19   third book said I can't tell if I read [TS]

00:21:22   the second [TS]

00:21:22   oh yeah well the fourth in the third [TS]

00:21:25   books tell the same story from two [TS]

00:21:27   different points of view [TS]

00:21:28   yeah so the funny thing about this is [TS]

00:21:30   that Zoe's tail the fourth book which is [TS]

00:21:33   interesting because it's almost like a [TS]

00:21:34   young adult retelling of the third book [TS]

00:21:38   from the daughters perspective that's [TS]

00:21:41   the first one of these that i read [TS]

00:21:42   because it was nominated for a hugo and [TS]

00:21:44   it was in the hugo packet and and I [TS]

00:21:47   really liked it to the point where i [TS]

00:21:48   went back and read the other three and [TS]

00:21:51   the funny thing about reading in that [TS]

00:21:52   way is it didn't spoil basically [TS]

00:21:54   anything for me [TS]

00:21:56   he manages to pull off the fact that i [TS]

00:21:58   think the third and the fourth book [TS]

00:21:59   despite telling essentially the same [TS]

00:22:01   story are still engrossing even when you [TS]

00:22:05   think you sort of know what's going to [TS]

00:22:07   happen [TS]

00:22:08   I because it if there's more to it than [TS]

00:22:11   just the plot being the interesting [TS]

00:22:12   points in the character development or [TS]

00:22:14   interesting seeing these things and [TS]

00:22:15   there are some fairly important things [TS]

00:22:16   that you see in that fourth book that [TS]

00:22:18   you don't get to see their sort of all [TS]

00:22:19   screen in the third book so so in the [TS]

00:22:21   second book what happens is that there's [TS]

00:22:23   this this this trader and the memories [TS]

00:22:26   are implanted and all the stuff and in [TS]

00:22:27   the end what you [TS]

00:22:28   get a Zoe who gets adopted by by the old [TS]

00:22:34   man from the first book and by jane who [TS]

00:22:36   is the little it's ok another [TS]

00:22:39   complication [TS]

00:22:41   she is it's a clone of his wife because [TS]

00:22:50   you get you to grow your clone but while [TS]

00:22:53   the cones were cool growing his wife [TS]

00:22:55   died right she signed up to be in the [TS]

00:22:57   military as well but she died before [TS]

00:23:00   they left Earth basically and so they [TS]

00:23:04   still had a clone body for her but they [TS]

00:23:06   have no brain no mind to go into it and [TS]

00:23:10   so they just sort of they have like an [TS]

00:23:11   artificial like intelligence generator I [TS]

00:23:14   guess that but so that they put [TS]

00:23:16   basically they grow a brain from like [TS]

00:23:18   you know she's basically said it starts [TS]

00:23:21   out with her being more I mean they can [TS]

00:23:23   basically take a brain and let it [TS]

00:23:25   develop inside this body right its own [TS]

00:23:27   personality so it's sort of her but sort [TS]

00:23:31   of not [TS]

00:23:32   yeah it's really creepy it it is it is [TS]

00:23:36   all torino 10 now will end but shes [TS]

00:23:40   photos dead so it's not dead but she [TS]

00:23:41   sort of thinks like his dad why are [TS]

00:23:43   heroes so because she's got the brain [TS]

00:23:45   but it's not his dead wife because she [TS]

00:23:48   doesn't have the memories and so it's [TS]

00:23:51   yeah it's it's a really interesting [TS]

00:23:52   thing and that that's the fascinating [TS]

00:23:53   thing about the last colony which I read [TS]

00:23:55   after reading is always tell which tells [TS]

00:23:57   us that story from the daughters [TS]

00:23:59   perspective the adopted daughters [TS]

00:24:00   perspective but it's funny because [TS]

00:24:02   you've got these two characters that are [TS]

00:24:04   so different from how they are earlier [TS]

00:24:07   on [TS]

00:24:08   as it turns out when they're when there [TS]

00:24:09   are soldiers and now they're kind of [TS]

00:24:12   retired and trying to run this colony [TS]

00:24:15   and so you got wacky characters that [TS]

00:24:17   they're trying to keep you know in line [TS]

00:24:20   and then all of a sudden there's a [TS]

00:24:21   essentially a galactic incident and [TS]

00:24:24   they're going to all die unless state [TS]

00:24:27   they uh but it turns out what that the [TS]

00:24:29   daughter is being protected by this [TS]

00:24:32   alien race that her father created [TS]

00:24:35   writer or made sentient yes and so [TS]

00:24:41   made by anybody who hasn't read these [TS]

00:24:42   books is going to be like whoa what the [TS]

00:24:45   hell are you talking that that's exactly [TS]

00:24:48   what I'm seeking it also kind of it also [TS]

00:24:50   kinda follows that mean thatthat's [TS]

00:24:51   thatthat's the sort of fascinating thing [TS]

00:24:53   about is there are these wacky aliens [TS]

00:24:54   and and there are essentially this [TS]

00:24:56   little this little girl has these two [TS]

00:24:58   kind of like strange i don't even know [TS]

00:25:00   how to describe them they're like [TS]

00:25:01   puffball alien X there aren't they [TS]

00:25:06   really like badass they're like really [TS]

00:25:07   big or something to yeah they're [TS]

00:25:09   dangerous but there but they just follow [TS]

00:25:11   her around and videotape everything she [TS]

00:25:14   does because she's a hero or she says [TS]

00:25:17   she's a God basically because her father [TS]

00:25:19   created these these aliens or gave them [TS]

00:25:21   came from consciousness [TS]

00:25:23   yeah and so so you know she goes off in [TS]

00:25:25   a spaceship and that story is told him [TS]

00:25:27   up in the fourth book yeah that's it and [TS]

00:25:29   that's a pretty major point right like [TS]

00:25:30   so you know you sort of see her [TS]

00:25:31   disappear off the stage in book 3 and [TS]

00:25:34   then she shows up as almost sort of like [TS]

00:25:36   a deus ex machina out at the end but [TS]

00:25:39   then that whole segment is fleshed out [TS]

00:25:41   in the fourth book and I think that is [TS]

00:25:43   really interesting because the it makes [TS]

00:25:46   sense that would say it's not entirely a [TS]

00:25:48   deus ex machina it's just the story is [TS]

00:25:50   told elsewhere [TS]

00:25:51   meanwhile i have to say that you know [TS]

00:25:52   without getting too damned these details [TS]

00:25:55   it's fun you know the spaceship and [TS]

00:25:58   space battles are fun the the kind of [TS]

00:26:00   alien diplomacy is hilarious and I [TS]

00:26:03   believe in is the last colony or is it [TS]

00:26:06   so easy tale where there's a duel to the [TS]

00:26:07   death between various ate like I [TS]

00:26:10   humanely and various aliens and they do [TS]

00:26:13   this thing where diplomacy fails and [TS]

00:26:15   they're like let's duel and and then you [TS]

00:26:19   have to kill a certain number of aliens [TS]

00:26:21   and then you win and they do and they [TS]

00:26:23   win and it's just hilarious that mean [TS]

00:26:27   it's written seriously but at the same [TS]

00:26:28   time it's just such a great ride it's [TS]

00:26:30   like sure why not a duel to the death [TS]

00:26:31   with aliens [TS]

00:26:32   let's do that it it's very entertaining [TS]

00:26:34   in a way that I mean I feel like so many [TS]

00:26:37   times their people think like a book can [TS]

00:26:39   either be entertaining or like [TS]

00:26:40   intellectually stimulating like make you [TS]

00:26:42   think and I I feel like he does a pretty [TS]

00:26:44   good job of measuring those two so that [TS]

00:26:47   it's not totally cerebral and making you [TS]

00:26:50   like Mass this is this is full of very [TS]

00:26:53   deep [TS]

00:26:53   deep thoughts I must I must meditate on [TS]

00:26:56   these deep thoughts but I mean you know [TS]

00:26:57   there's there are interesting ideas [TS]

00:26:59   woven within a story that is engaging [TS]

00:27:01   and kind of a page-turner and that's [TS]

00:27:04   that's a hard combination to pull off [TS]

00:27:06   Scott you should read them apparently I [TS]

00:27:10   have no idea why I guess I was not that [TS]

00:27:13   impressed with a old man's war and I [TS]

00:27:16   didn't feel I should read the rest i [TS]

00:27:18   know it's not in its 19th century New [TS]

00:27:20   York there's no detective just tell you [TS]

00:27:23   so I you know it'sit's old man's war is [TS]

00:27:25   a lot of fun but i think is funny the [TS]

00:27:27   other books are very different [TS]

00:27:29   I think that my phone with old man's war [TS]

00:27:31   is that i liked the forever war so much [TS]

00:27:34   oh yeah that can have you read Forever [TS]

00:27:37   War i'm familiar with it but I've never [TS]

00:27:39   read it you know how i will how can you [TS]

00:27:41   be familiar with a pen haha oh I mean [TS]

00:27:43   I've seen it [TS]

00:27:45   he's aware of its existence it is it was [TS]

00:27:48   published it was published [TS]

00:27:50   well i mean i know people often talk [TS]

00:27:51   about sort of a diametrically opposed [TS]

00:27:53   did they put in contrast to the like a [TS]

00:27:55   starship troopers type thing I hear [TS]

00:27:57   those are sort of the two dipoles of the [TS]

00:27:59   whole you know the 67th Easwar that's [TS]

00:28:03   Rob the internship troopers like what [TS]

00:28:05   skill Elliot's and the forwards like war [TS]

00:28:08   is horrible [TS]

00:28:09   why it's a waste of time yeah I think [TS]

00:28:11   that was that the reason i didn't read [TS]

00:28:13   it was over yep agree board are done [TS]

00:28:15   don't know seriously now forever war [TS]

00:28:18   forever works great i read it maybe 10 [TS]

00:28:21   years ago and one of the things about it [TS]

00:28:25   that's amazing is that to me it feels [TS]

00:28:27   modern even now is written in 1974 and [TS]

00:28:31   it still feels modern because the plot I [TS]

00:28:34   mean it's crazy it's it's like there's [TS]

00:28:37   time dilation so they have every jump [TS]

00:28:40   they do you know hundreds of years pass [TS]

00:28:43   or dozens of years pass and and so that [TS]

00:28:46   the the reason why they're fighting [TS]

00:28:48   keeps changing and kind of goes on [TS]

00:28:50   forever and the it's a it's amazing it's [TS]

00:28:54   it's it really is an amazing book Scott [TS]

00:28:58   agreed to disagree i totally great seeds [TS]

00:29:01   it's a fantastic book and then you [TS]

00:29:03   should you should totally read it it is [TS]

00:29:05   it is perhaps [TS]

00:29:06   not uplifting but it is i think it's [TS]

00:29:08   important work and possibly one of the [TS]

00:29:11   most important science fiction books of [TS]

00:29:13   ever [TS]

00:29:15   yeah I think you told me while I'm [TS]

00:29:18   reading it right now I'm not reading [TS]

00:29:20   right now but i will read it I won't end [TS]

00:29:22   up in my list of things to read [TS]

00:29:24   yeah it's it's it's really good and it's [TS]

00:29:26   not you know it's not attract right it's [TS]

00:29:29   not a yo man war is regulars which is [TS]

00:29:33   sucky and we shouldn't fight band we [TS]

00:29:35   should all love each other it's it's um [TS]

00:29:38   nobody it's got the it's got the the [TS]

00:29:42   action of the war but it's also got the [TS]

00:29:44   impact on the soldiers because of the [TS]

00:29:46   science fictional kind of affects the [TS]

00:29:48   time dilation and light speed and and [TS]

00:29:51   and so society changes and so and that's [TS]

00:29:54   the Vietnam parallel is that they come [TS]

00:29:56   back the every time they come back into [TS]

00:29:58   a world that day don't belong in right [TS]

00:30:00   now but it actually sent out again to [TS]

00:30:03   fight for it and then they come back and [TS]

00:30:04   again what they fought for is changed [TS]

00:30:07   yeah it's it's fascinating but on a [TS]

00:30:10   science-fiction level it's really [TS]

00:30:12   interesting to say well you know what [TS]

00:30:13   would happen if you got you return home [TS]

00:30:15   and it was 200 years later and [TS]

00:30:17   everything was different you know that [TS]

00:30:19   would be a really interesting thing and [TS]

00:30:22   the enemy of the veterans that when they [TS]

00:30:27   reenter society I mean they are people [TS]

00:30:29   at a time and there and it's very hard [TS]

00:30:33   for them to to adapt like I as i recall [TS]

00:30:35   don't when they return home isn't isn't [TS]

00:30:39   hasn't homosexuality replaced [TS]

00:30:42   heterosexuality is the dominant form of [TS]

00:30:44   sexuality because they want to reduce [TS]

00:30:46   population growth and so exactly so that [TS]

00:30:48   they become horribly like disaffected [TS]

00:30:50   and yet there are also encouraged to [TS]

00:30:51   have this like is there like surgery [TS]

00:30:54   that they're inverses your sexual [TS]

00:30:57   orientation and they're feeling through [TS]

00:31:00   its wildlife it is it is really a [TS]

00:31:03   mind-blowing kind of book it's it's a [TS]

00:31:05   but it's good it's not definitely not [TS]

00:31:07   preaching so yeah I totally recommend [TS]

00:31:11   the forever war so it has similar themes [TS]

00:31:16   to to the ultimate old man's war [TS]

00:31:18   yeah an old man's what I think is a fine [TS]

00:31:20   book in and of itself but when you [TS]

00:31:22   compare it to [TS]

00:31:23   I don't think he can pick compared to [TS]

00:31:25   the forever war as as a model not just [TS]

00:31:29   53 and I it doesn't seem like it [TS]

00:31:31   inspires necessarily to that I don't [TS]

00:31:33   think it's nice i mean i think that's [TS]

00:31:36   what you know at least that's what I [TS]

00:31:37   enjoy about to a certain extent is that [TS]

00:31:38   it is it seems to be comfortable with [TS]

00:31:42   its place which is to say you know it's [TS]

00:31:46   a good story and not to say there are [TS]

00:31:49   larger messages that you can take away [TS]

00:31:50   from it but again contextually also it's [TS]

00:31:54   written in a very different era from [TS]

00:31:55   something like the forever war which you [TS]

00:31:58   know clearly has all these you know tuck [TS]

00:32:00   close ties to the experience in Vietnam [TS]

00:32:03   whereas you know the old man's work [TS]

00:32:05   I know it was written in a you know [TS]

00:32:07   presumably a wartime environment it's [TS]

00:32:09   not the same war and it i don't think it [TS]

00:32:13   necessarily tries to make me IE maybe [TS]

00:32:16   it's just a book of its time in a [TS]

00:32:17   different way [TS]

00:32:19   well I like about elements wars that he [TS]

00:32:21   doesn't flinch away from killing lots of [TS]

00:32:23   characters that that [TS]

00:32:25   yeah despite being an entertaining an [TS]

00:32:28   entertaining story it's not without its [TS]

00:32:30   darker moments and without its you know [TS]

00:32:33   sadness and other emotions as well it's [TS]

00:32:35   just that it's well there's that core [TS]

00:32:38   group of recruits that just keep [TS]

00:32:39   dwindling away the morning if I i feel [TS]

00:32:43   that a lot of its to the purpose of [TS]

00:32:44   telling the story and not necessarily to [TS]

00:32:46   the purpose of telling a message if that [TS]

00:32:48   difference can be made ya know it [TS]

00:32:50   centered it's an entertainment more than [TS]

00:32:52   anything else and it is very [TS]

00:32:53   entertaining and i am a i'm a sucker for [TS]

00:32:56   the the widescreen you know different [TS]

00:32:58   star systems and and and in this case [TS]

00:33:02   alien races with strange cultures that [TS]

00:33:05   you know a lot of times just a proxy for [TS]

00:33:07   our own like sort of culture clashes [TS]

00:33:09   that we have and yet you know on earth [TS]

00:33:12   but it's just fun to see all that mixed [TS]

00:33:15   up and and told and sort of unashamedly [TS]

00:33:18   just saying yes i'm going to write up [TS]

00:33:20   you know different star system space [TS]

00:33:22   opera kind of setting for this novel and [TS]

00:33:25   and i love that stuff [TS]

00:33:27   I think honestly that i enjoy reading [TS]

00:33:30   his blog more than [TS]

00:33:31   I do his books also let's talk about [TS]

00:33:33   that he hasn't he has a blog that he [TS]

00:33:35   updates regularly but he should be [TS]

00:33:37   reading his books Georgia are really [TS]

00:33:40   should show him a thing or two about now [TS]

00:33:43   it's called whatever do you say i read [TS]

00:33:47   occasionally do you guys read it [TS]

00:33:48   regularly i read it when it's often when [TS]

00:33:52   it's linked to I've read a few things [TS]

00:33:54   written on there but I don't follow it [TS]

00:33:55   regularly [TS]

00:33:57   I i have subscribed to it so I read [TS]

00:33:59   whenever he post something and I just do [TS]

00:34:02   it [TS]

00:34:03   he's a good i mean he is a good writer [TS]

00:34:05   and he any rugby blogs regularly which I [TS]

00:34:09   I imagine it's quite hard for somebody [TS]

00:34:10   who's supposed to be actually you know [TS]

00:34:12   all right he's been it's a long-running [TS]

00:34:14   blog right i think it predates is is [TS]

00:34:16   published fiction it in fact I think [TS]

00:34:19   that's not who he became a published [TS]

00:34:20   author because he wrote whatever the [TS]

00:34:22   agent to the stars and then he posted it [TS]

00:34:24   on his blog and the rest as they say is [TS]

00:34:29   a cleaning it is is a series of novels [TS]

00:34:33   exactly I anything more to say about [TS]

00:34:36   John Scalzi anything you want to bring [TS]

00:34:38   up i mean i wrote I wrote him a letter [TS]

00:34:41   once who did you know is that actually [TS]

00:34:44   argue with him like there is material [TS]

00:34:45   are lighter of am in fact he didn't [TS]

00:34:47   write back means little said about not [TS]

00:34:50   judging him he's a busy man [TS]

00:34:52   he wrote a very interesting blog post [TS]

00:34:53   one of the ones i did read about [TS]

00:34:57   addressing sort of the idea why so many [TS]

00:35:01   of the new quote unquote writers in [TS]

00:35:03   science fiction were you know people in [TS]

00:35:06   their thirties as opposed to sort of [TS]

00:35:08   young talent in their twenties and i [TS]

00:35:11   think most of it was talking about look [TS]

00:35:12   because when you're in your twenties [TS]

00:35:14   unless you know one of those people [TS]

00:35:15   who's like genius whatever you're [TS]

00:35:17   writing a lot of crap and sort of [TS]

00:35:19   learning and getting that out of your [TS]

00:35:20   system and so you see these first quote [TS]

00:35:23   unquote novels from new writers in when [TS]

00:35:26   they're in their thirties because [TS]

00:35:27   they've you know been working on this [TS]

00:35:28   stuff all along and finally produce [TS]

00:35:30   something that's worth actually [TS]

00:35:31   publishing and i was very good piece it [TS]

00:35:35   would be made a lot of sense i mean it [TS]

00:35:37   also echoes you know my own experience [TS]

00:35:39   which have heard a lot of crappy novels [TS]

00:35:41   in my twenties and now that I feel like [TS]

00:35:44   I'm in my thirties I've I'm still [TS]

00:35:45   writing [TS]

00:35:45   grabbing us but they're getting less [TS]

00:35:46   crappy job and so I said I wrote him an [TS]

00:35:50   email about that just saying I I really [TS]

00:35:52   was interested in his this piece and his [TS]

00:35:54   theory there and never heard back but [TS]

00:35:56   but you know that's alright and how they [TS]

00:35:58   get some ice to follow on twitter [TS]

00:36:00   oh I don't follow me on Twitter but i [TS]

00:36:02   think that his blog is very interesting [TS]

00:36:04   to someone who is interested in writing [TS]

00:36:08   and the business of writing in public [TS]

00:36:10   and publishing because that's here i [TS]

00:36:11   doubt about that and his thoughts about [TS]

00:36:13   you know ebooks and self-publishing and [TS]

00:36:16   all that kind of stuff and that stuff [TS]

00:36:17   that i'm very interested in so i think [TS]

00:36:19   it a great one [TS]

00:36:20   I don't know if you saw Scott the couple [TS]

00:36:22   weeks ago he did one about where his [TS]

00:36:24   income comes from [TS]

00:36:25   yes that was really interesting he has [TS]

00:36:28   this whole pie is all these pie chart [TS]

00:36:29   showing like here's this is the [TS]

00:36:31   percentage of my income that came from [TS]

00:36:33   the royalties from the novel's selling [TS]

00:36:35   the options for the movie you know I was [TS]

00:36:37   accusing consultant on stargate universe [TS]

00:36:39   you know like and he chose these guys [TS]

00:36:41   i'll divide up as a pie is like so my [TS]

00:36:43   point being you know if you're a writer [TS]

00:36:45   you need to diversify because some of [TS]

00:36:47   these streams could just go away and you [TS]

00:36:50   don't know you know when that's gonna [TS]

00:36:51   happen and if you want to you know make [TS]

00:36:52   a living [TS]

00:36:53   you need to be able to make sure that [TS]

00:36:55   even if that chunk of your revenue drops [TS]

00:36:57   off you're still making enough money [TS]

00:36:59   from other projects that you can still [TS]

00:37:01   you know get by which was I mean which [TS]

00:37:05   is totally true and i think it's it's a [TS]

00:37:07   really interesting to see someone who is [TS]

00:37:08   a successful very well you know [TS]

00:37:11   well-known popular author talking about [TS]

00:37:15   you know these it's not just write a [TS]

00:37:17   write a book and then you make a [TS]

00:37:18   gazillion dollars and you're set for [TS]

00:37:20   life [TS]

00:37:21   so where does he make his money i think [TS]

00:37:24   a lot of a decent chunk of it in terms [TS]

00:37:26   of like the recurring revenue comes from [TS]

00:37:29   things like royalties but like you said [TS]

00:37:33   for example like I think it's like the [TS]

00:37:34   last year his biggest chunk came from [TS]

00:37:36   this movie option for old man's war and [TS]

00:37:39   he said well yeah that's great you know [TS]

00:37:41   I made a lot of money from it last year [TS]

00:37:43   but that's not something that's going to [TS]

00:37:45   get repeated year after year so I can't [TS]

00:37:49   necessarily count on that next year so I [TS]

00:37:50   have to make sure that i'm still doing [TS]

00:37:52   other things so easy he writes a column [TS]

00:37:53   for he was calm for a film site i think [TS]

00:37:57   user it's MC it might be [TS]

00:37:59   animallsex.com yeah so I think he's [TS]

00:38:01   bounced around the places you did that [TS]

00:38:03   consulting gig for stargate universe [TS]

00:38:04   thing got cancelled [TS]

00:38:06   he's got he says he said I think he has [TS]

00:38:09   a consulting gig for some other company [TS]

00:38:11   that he won't talk about i mean like a [TS]

00:38:12   bunch of different like little projects [TS]

00:38:14   all on the side but i think the bulk of [TS]

00:38:16   it still comes from from the books now [TS]

00:38:19   see here sixty-three percent from books [TS]

00:38:21   23% from her from film option right [TS]

00:38:25   that's is the old man's war film option [TS]

00:38:27   six percent from consulting on stargate [TS]

00:38:30   universe and for four-point-seven [TS]

00:38:32   percent from his web column nice [TS]

00:38:35   yes I mean like I you know and Scott [TS]

00:38:37   says like that's really interesting for [TS]

00:38:38   the business of someone who you know [TS]

00:38:40   people working as writers are interested [TS]

00:38:42   in working as a professional writer [TS]

00:38:45   it's really illuminating to see ya it's [TS]

00:38:47   not necessarily as simple or [TS]

00:38:50   straightforward as you might think [TS]

00:38:51   that's true because my books are not [TS]

00:38:52   making me even like three percent so I'm [TS]

00:38:56   doing something horribly wrong and [TS]

00:38:57   neither am i are making 0% Oh what might [TS]

00:39:01   have been published him [TS]

00:39:02   Oh take that hoe ? shyness reality [TS]

00:39:07   nobody cares about this looks that's [TS]

00:39:09   really what i hear lots of people care [TS]

00:39:11   about wordpress to present my wife is [TS]

00:39:15   writing a cookbook which is exciting for [TS]

00:39:16   her and in for me you know but and so [TS]

00:39:19   whenever anyone anyone ever hears that [TS]

00:39:20   they're all very excited and I'm like [TS]

00:39:23   you know I've written like 45 police and [TS]

00:39:25   nobody cares but you keep doing it at [TS]

00:39:27   manhattan on the head and I walk out the [TS]

00:39:29   room crying that's that's what gets me [TS]

00:39:31   you your persevere someday full credit [TS]

00:39:34   to you Scott because i co-wrote over [TS]

00:39:36   half of one book in like nineteen [TS]

00:39:40   ninety-five I think and it was it was a [TS]

00:39:47   huge amount of work to write a technical [TS]

00:39:49   book and you know I got half of an [TS]

00:39:53   advanced for it and i calculated out [TS]

00:39:55   later that I i would have if I'd taken [TS]

00:39:57   the money or if i take of a time that I [TS]

00:40:01   spent I don't think I want to hear the [TS]

00:40:02   rest of this networking that breast and [TS]

00:40:04   worked at minimum wage i would have made [TS]

00:40:06   twice as much money just remember i [TS]

00:40:10   remember you telling me you [TS]

00:40:12   you sent around an email once of it and [TS]

00:40:14   are in our day jobs saying oh yeah these [TS]

00:40:16   people are looking for somebody to work [TS]

00:40:17   you know helped write this book [TS]

00:40:19   technical edition of this book and I [TS]

00:40:21   think I ask you about it you're like you [TS]

00:40:23   know it's probably not worth route just [TS]

00:40:26   in terms of like how much it takes to [TS]

00:40:28   how much time it takes and how much you [TS]

00:40:30   get out of it yeah i think what i said [TS]

00:40:31   is it you kind of scared me all my stock [TS]

00:40:33   answer is if you if you wanna have [TS]

00:40:36   experience of doing a book and be able [TS]

00:40:38   to say that your name is on a published [TS]

00:40:40   book do it if i doing it I not not on [TS]

00:40:43   that but if you're doing it for the [TS]

00:40:44   money [TS]

00:40:45   don't do it good or don't do it for the [TS]

00:40:48   body no you notice I haven't given up my [TS]

00:40:51   day job to write novels yet thank [TS]

00:40:52   goodness for that [TS]

00:40:53   that's why i write those letters to [TS]

00:40:55   publisher saying damned organism that is [TS]

00:40:58   there no writer don't publish know that [TS]

00:41:01   would be great if I if I ever get [TS]

00:41:03   something published in the first thing [TS]

00:41:04   I'm going to do is tell my agent hey I [TS]

00:41:07   know a guy who has books you should look [TS]

00:41:11   at what we got we got it we gotta make [TS]

00:41:13   this happen [TS]

00:41:13   his name is Scott McNulty see what he [TS]

00:41:19   did there [TS]

00:41:20   well I served at the novelization of [TS]

00:41:22   WordPerfect celebrate you gotta run home [TS]

00:41:24   run [TS]

00:41:25   hey so uh hey what are you reading [TS]

00:41:30   i thought i would ask the musical [TS]

00:41:31   question what are you reading you guys [TS]

00:41:34   reading anything interesting this is [TS]

00:41:35   book club [TS]

00:41:37   have you stopped reading I am I am [TS]

00:41:39   rereading classic book just because I [TS]

00:41:42   happened i bought it on Mike on the [TS]

00:41:45   kindle app for my iPad because i found a [TS]

00:41:47   copy of it for like a dollar and are so [TS]

00:41:50   excited I it's the second book in a [TS]

00:41:53   mystery series written in the nineteen [TS]

00:41:56   thirties got the way and it set and said [TS]

00:41:58   and certainly in in England Dorothy [TS]

00:42:02   stairs who is a great classic mystery [TS]

00:42:04   writer who writes about the detective [TS]

00:42:06   named Lord Peter Wimsey one of the one [TS]

00:42:10   of the inspirations actually four miles [TS]

00:42:12   for clothes again but a book that I read [TS]

00:42:14   or a series that i read growing up [TS]

00:42:16   because my mother is a huge mystery fan [TS]

00:42:18   like that's her she only reads mysteries [TS]

00:42:20   will not only but she mostly read [TS]

00:42:22   mysteries and so I grew up reading a lot [TS]

00:42:24   of a [TS]

00:42:25   classic you know Agatha Christie or the [TS]

00:42:27   conan doyle Dorothy stairs etc and so [TS]

00:42:30   I'm rereading a couple of books because [TS]

00:42:31   it's been many years since i read them [TS]

00:42:33   and I'm finding them delightfully [TS]

00:42:35   entertaining but part of that's just [TS]

00:42:37   sort of in a holding pattern because I [TS]

00:42:39   there are several books coming out that [TS]

00:42:41   i'm looking forward to reading including [TS]

00:42:42   among them [TS]

00:42:43   fuzzy nation I don't pick up even though [TS]

00:42:46   i don't think i'll be reading [TS]

00:42:47   presentation have no interest in [TS]

00:42:49   presentation but it's got up protagonist [TS]

00:42:53   with a pipe who finds fuzzy aliens [TS]

00:42:56   oh I'm sold hmm maybe not [TS]

00:42:59   what are you reading scott i'm reading [TS]

00:43:01   currently a the river river of God's by [TS]

00:43:05   ian MacDonald who is his most recent [TS]

00:43:08   book a dozen fish house was is nominated [TS]

00:43:12   for Hugo or something [TS]

00:43:15   yes yes very good by the way if you [TS]

00:43:18   haven't read it at least 200 pages in [TS]

00:43:20   its good could go all horribly wrong and [TS]

00:43:24   speaking of miles force however the head [TS]

00:43:27   girls marcos again because again there [TS]

00:43:29   you go i finished all of those so I i [TS]

00:43:32   finished crying burn the lat 0 in the [TS]

00:43:35   series so far last night in fact finish [TS]

00:43:39   quickly that is not as my heartbreak [TS]

00:43:41   heartbreaking any so so you know it's [TS]

00:43:44   coming but it's your kind of friend you [TS]

00:43:45   know it's coming and I mean I knew and I [TS]

00:43:47   knew what the line was going to be read [TS]

00:43:49   well because they refer to it early he [TS]

00:43:51   he refers to it an earlier book [TS]

00:43:53   yes someday some poor guys gonna come up [TS]

00:43:55   to me and say account for cosine work [TS]

00:43:57   goes again but it's still a brother I I [TS]

00:44:00   teared up a little bell getting that [TS]

00:44:02   just because I you know and ended then [TS]

00:44:04   the leper blogs after that as well I [TS]

00:44:06   mean I thought and I i think it's very [TS]

00:44:09   interesting to see i want i really want [TS]

00:44:10   to see where we're this good this new [TS]

00:44:12   chapter of his life leads in but we'll [TS]

00:44:14   have to wait a little while for that [TS]

00:44:15   oh I think that high jinks was soup is [TS]

00:44:18   probably so she wrote like a whole [TS]

00:44:21   fantasy series in between the latter [TS]

00:44:24   read I read all of it [TS]

00:44:26   yes it's ok so it wouldn't be I wouldn't [TS]

00:44:28   be at the top of my list but yeah it's [TS]

00:44:30   just funny that so she really seemed [TS]

00:44:32   like she was really cranking on the [TS]

00:44:34   proposed again stuff in the nineties and [TS]

00:44:36   and then stepped away [TS]

00:44:38   after diplomatic immunity and she didn't [TS]

00:44:40   write another book for eight years [TS]

00:44:43   yeah diplomatic immunity came out when I [TS]

00:44:46   was first reading my way through the [TS]

00:44:47   series which was in college I came out [TS]

00:44:50   what 2003 and yeah i just finished like [TS]

00:44:54   I sort of caught up as that came out and [TS]

00:44:57   then I had to wait many many years for [TS]

00:45:00   the next one to come out [TS]

00:45:01   yeah and now and now that's so I don't [TS]

00:45:03   know if she's just lost some enthusiasm [TS]

00:45:05   for what I think she you know and I've [TS]

00:45:08   heard her talk about it and I think part [TS]

00:45:09   of it is you know miles getting older [TS]

00:45:13   he's you know he's a character wages [TS]

00:45:14   realistically and I think part of it is [TS]

00:45:17   she's told a lot of the stories that she [TS]

00:45:19   wanted to tell and she just you know she [TS]

00:45:22   has no need to feel compelled to write [TS]

00:45:24   stories of the moment unless she comes [TS]

00:45:26   up with something she really wants to [TS]

00:45:27   write about order know that she needs [TS]

00:45:29   when I well yeah she writes funny others [TS]

00:45:32   that she ready for book you know sort of [TS]

00:45:34   fantasy series he wrote a whole nother [TS]

00:45:35   separate fantasy series and i know that [TS]

00:45:40   the 1i saw her speak last fall she [TS]

00:45:43   previewed the first chapter of a book [TS]

00:45:45   that she's writing about Ivan the miles [TS]

00:45:51   cousin that was so great [TS]

00:45:52   yeah which and I think she know she's [TS]

00:45:54   like oh I've got a story I want to tell [TS]

00:45:56   that you know in which Ivan would be the [TS]

00:45:58   protagonist and I think that's great i [TS]

00:46:00   would like I'm looking forward to read [TS]

00:46:01   that I hoping that she finishes it and [TS]

00:46:03   it gets published because it sounded it [TS]

00:46:04   was very entertaining the bit that I [TS]

00:46:06   heard so yeah I mean I guess that's just [TS]

00:46:10   kind of the way it goes i will say [TS]

00:46:11   instantly another book that look forward [TS]

00:46:13   to a former book club topic China [TS]

00:46:16   Mieville has another book coming out [TS]

00:46:17   called embassy town which as I [TS]

00:46:20   understand it is sort of his take on the [TS]

00:46:22   space opera so that I am extremely [TS]

00:46:24   interested in reading as well I think [TS]

00:46:25   that comes out in a couple weeks and you [TS]

00:46:27   can you can read the first 50 pages on [TS]

00:46:29   tours website it delivers becomes so [TS]

00:46:34   lots of stuff coming out soon we can [TS]

00:46:36   talk [TS]

00:46:37   wow there is a lot of stuff coming out [TS]

00:46:38   so it's not george RR martin with his [TS]

00:46:41   1600 page that did is that what I read [TS]

00:46:45   today that it's going to be like sixteen [TS]

00:46:47   hundred pages town like it's going to be [TS]

00:46:49   very very long [TS]

00:46:50   what's up red [TS]

00:46:51   on Twitter told us it's what it's like [TS]

00:46:53   they would like to ask out now Carol [TS]

00:46:55   understand why it took him so long as [TS]

00:46:57   that it's actually as long as five books [TS]

00:46:59   and part of me wants to say well yeah [TS]

00:47:02   that's because he didn't stop at one [TS]

00:47:04   point that you know what that's a pretty [TS]

00:47:06   good ending [TS]

00:47:07   maybe i can get the next one out like [TS]

00:47:10   three years stretch the nice thing [TS]

00:47:11   actually I liked about about reading [TS]

00:47:13   crab earnest if she never writes another [TS]

00:47:15   miles book i'll be sad but but but [TS]

00:47:17   there's a good end it is it's every most [TS]

00:47:20   of its wrapped up books all have endings [TS]

00:47:21   right exactly i was going to say that's [TS]

00:47:23   the problem miles Syrah although i get [TS]

00:47:25   flack i did enjoy it obviously because i [TS]

00:47:27   read so all of them and they're also [TS]

00:47:30   their self-contained and they build on [TS]

00:47:32   each other and that's very but if you [TS]

00:47:33   just pick up one you'll still be [TS]

00:47:35   satisfied because it's a good story if [TS]

00:47:37   you pick up one of George RR Martin's [TS]

00:47:39   books in the European you know why you [TS]

00:47:41   know exactly I don't know [TS]

00:47:43   don't even try yeah that's the challenge [TS]

00:47:45   of writing series i feel like it's is [TS]

00:47:47   you know how do you make I i mean i like [TS]

00:47:50   that sort of that plot of you know the [TS]

00:47:52   idea of being like this is the [TS]

00:47:54   continuing Adventures of so and so and [TS]

00:47:58   so you can read an adventure and still [TS]

00:48:00   sort of have an idea what's going on [TS]

00:48:02   if you read other adventures of these [TS]

00:48:04   characters you will know more you will [TS]

00:48:06   get a little more out of it but you [TS]

00:48:08   won't be entirely lost if you have never [TS]

00:48:10   read anything else whereas these long [TS]

00:48:12   sort of sagas that that jumped from you [TS]

00:48:15   know that are thousands of thousands of [TS]

00:48:17   pages long if you haven't read all the [TS]

00:48:19   way from beginning your your kind of a [TS]

00:48:21   kind of a creek i will give george RR [TS]

00:48:24   martin incredible he does not fall for [TS]

00:48:26   the the trap of trying to recap [TS]

00:48:29   everything that's happened previously [TS]

00:48:31   just goes right into that will be [TS]

00:48:33   impossible [TS]

00:48:34   I don't need the recap would be like [TS]

00:48:35   half the length yeah its first 800 pages [TS]

00:48:37   of the book and just be like a really [TS]

00:48:39   boring Lee written revision the first [TS]

00:48:41   and then they did this and any what [TS]

00:48:43   doesn't kill this night this night did [TS]

00:48:45   this and this guy did previously on a [TS]

00:48:47   game of thrones know if there is too [TS]

00:48:49   much [TS]

00:48:49   let me sum up there are dragons and [TS]

00:48:53   somewhere White Walkers the others [TS]

00:48:57   that's all you need to know it's yes [TS]

00:48:59   very good versus evil [TS]

00:49:01   here we go no here's how you do it go [TS]

00:49:04   back and read [TS]

00:49:05   the first started there just they will [TS]

00:49:09   you open it up it should be like us on [TS]

00:49:11   alert goes off don't know [TS]

00:49:14   don't buy this book almost you bought [TS]

00:49:15   the other books by opening this book you [TS]

00:49:18   agree to buy all previous books [TS]

00:49:21   atmosphere that explains how he makes so [TS]

00:49:23   much money it will apparently all of the [TS]

00:49:24   other books are back on the New York [TS]

00:49:26   Times bestseller list yeah he holds a [TS]

00:49:28   picture of HBO lots of money and over [TS]

00:49:32   fist yes he can pay that guy who [TS]

00:49:34   researches all the characters for his [TS]

00:49:38   novels know the crowd burn you know [TS]

00:49:40   reading crowd burn was it was [TS]

00:49:45   interesting because having she hadn't [TS]

00:49:47   written a book in this universe and so [TS]

00:49:49   long that I thought it was kind of funny [TS]

00:49:50   that it clearly was something that was [TS]

00:49:52   an idea like like we talked about in the [TS]

00:49:55   mouse podcast ethan of athos which I [TS]

00:49:58   didn't like I thought it was really bad [TS]

00:50:00   but it was clearly about something right [TS]

00:50:03   she was saying okay what are the [TS]

00:50:05   ramifications of having the uterine [TS]

00:50:07   replicator so that you don't actually [TS]

00:50:09   need women to have babies and cry Auburn [TS]

00:50:12   was very much like that in the sense not [TS]

00:50:14   message that was bad because i liked it [TS]

00:50:16   but it in the sense that it was about [TS]

00:50:18   something which is what what is the one [TS]

00:50:20   of the ramifications of the cryogenic [TS]

00:50:22   system that she put in that saved my [TS]

00:50:24   life we can freeze people and bring them [TS]

00:50:26   back later and there's this planet where [TS]

00:50:28   the voters are large leaf frozen corpse [TS]

00:50:32   this and they've got voting rights and [TS]

00:50:34   there's a-there cryo tombs and and i [TS]

00:50:38   love the the economic hijinks that I [TS]

00:50:40   don't ruin it for everybody but i think [TS]

00:50:42   the whole idea of what happens is very [TS]

00:50:45   yeah it's one of the ways it's kind of [TS]

00:50:46   like there's a nefarious plot right but [TS]

00:50:48   yeah it's fascinating in the way that [TS]

00:50:51   it's executed [TS]

00:50:52   yeah and in the end you know it all [TS]

00:50:54   hangs on the coincidence that this kid [TS]

00:50:56   finds miles when he's stumbling around [TS]

00:50:58   in the street and the kid happens to be [TS]

00:51:02   the mother or the the son of the his [TS]

00:51:04   mother is like the key pivotal figure in [TS]

00:51:07   this conspiracy [TS]

00:51:08   so there's some there's some you know I [TS]

00:51:11   i always say anything really [TS]

00:51:13   boy that was lucky that that kid fella [TS]

00:51:15   minus miles attractive [TS]

00:51:17   thing but that's just a little as 14 lat [TS]

00:51:20   coincidence right [TS]

00:51:21   yeah but after that I mean it's there's [TS]

00:51:23   like a whole like cryogenic lab that set [TS]

00:51:25   up an abandoned building and I mean it's [TS]

00:51:28   wacky it's but it was it was a lot of [TS]

00:51:29   fun and you could tell that she enjoyed [TS]

00:51:31   having as well done together you know [TS]

00:51:34   yeah and you get to see some of the [TS]

00:51:35   other characters pop in mark pops in for [TS]

00:51:38   a little while [TS]

00:51:39   yeah yeah there's some you know i love [TS]

00:51:42   the character the character who i [TS]

00:51:43   thought i would really dislike the guy [TS]

00:51:45   who's the the ambassador [TS]

00:51:47   oh he turned out to be very good future [TS]

00:51:49   doesn't look very pretty cool actually [TS]

00:51:51   although i did that the the little [TS]

00:51:52   ending where he falls in love with the [TS]

00:51:57   what's-her-name I saw that coming [TS]

00:52:00   yes I was a little it was a little [TS]

00:52:01   telling but still I I like that he ended [TS]

00:52:04   that you know you think he's going to be [TS]

00:52:05   one of those bureaucratic guys who miles [TS]

00:52:07   so often encounters he's just going to [TS]

00:52:09   be a pain in the ass and gets forward [TS]

00:52:11   it's right what really turns out to be [TS]

00:52:14   kind of a useful sympathetic character [TS]

00:52:17   they expected to be the obstructionist [TS]

00:52:19   bureaucrat be or as they say in the [TS]

00:52:20   simpsons it means it gets results you [TS]

00:52:22   stupid chief right you expect him to be [TS]

00:52:24   that guy right [TS]

00:52:25   it's like he stops the cop from the cop [TS]

00:52:28   on the edge there are buildings by the [TS]

00:52:31   loose cannon and that's right hand in [TS]

00:52:33   your badge and gun my desk but and then [TS]

00:52:37   you get you get some nice time with the [TS]

00:52:38   it's a nice time with ronak who I grown [TS]

00:52:42   to really really like right as a series [TS]

00:52:44   has gone on and a couple nights you can [TS]

00:52:47   I mean I enjoyed especially because she [TS]

00:52:49   takes the time to tell the story from [TS]

00:52:50   what's-his-name the kids point of view [TS]

00:52:53   option is jen yeah you get you get an [TS]

00:52:58   interesting totally different [TS]

00:52:59   perspective right on miles is a special [TS]

00:53:02   way [TS]

00:53:02   exactly exactly mr. Solomon just a [TS]

00:53:05   little fellow he's always like that what [TS]

00:53:07   I have an idea about a child as a nice [TS]

00:53:10   little digression there i have to get [TS]

00:53:12   insurance order I I liked it a lot [TS]

00:53:15   better than I liked diplomatic immunity [TS]

00:53:16   which is one of my least favorite books [TS]

00:53:18   in this area actually is that the one [TS]

00:53:20   with the wacky shenanigans with the [TS]

00:53:21   butter but listen no no that is that [TS]

00:53:23   civil campaign i love so okay greats [TS]

00:53:26   what's diplomatic immunity diplomatic [TS]

00:53:27   immunity is the one before it where it's [TS]

00:53:29   the air on the space station [TS]

00:53:31   and there's qualities is that the it was [TS]

00:53:34   an attempt to do like sort of a murder [TS]

00:53:36   mystery but it also it just didn't it [TS]

00:53:38   was so divorced from everything that was [TS]

00:53:40   kind of interesting there were so few [TS]

00:53:41   characters I felt like that the stove [TS]

00:53:44   you the familiar characters in it in [TS]

00:53:46   some ways that it felt really like alien [TS]

00:53:48   oh and they end up in there there's a [TS]

00:53:50   showdown in the spaceship where yeah [TS]

00:53:52   yeah it was not my favorite I mean it [TS]

00:53:55   has its moments ago we have am I was [TS]

00:53:57   yeah well I mean that was Stephen only [TS]

00:54:01   loosely even a mile yeah now it's not i [TS]

00:54:04   enjoyed even eventos I thought was very [TS]

00:54:06   interesting [TS]

00:54:06   alright showdown go fight the jet that's [TS]

00:54:11   why I'm go [TS]

00:54:11   that's my only argument all right take [TS]

00:54:14   that no you didnt Scott haha dough you [TS]

00:54:17   hated it smell wins again [TS]

00:54:19   ah you should you should tell us what [TS]

00:54:22   you've been reading Jason yes well I [TS]

00:54:24   finish briber which again starting with [TS]

00:54:28   that I our way we mentioned that earlier [TS]

00:54:30   i believe if i recall correctly and i am [TS]

00:54:35   reading a book called the hidden reality [TS]

00:54:37   where is it it is all around us the [TS]

00:54:41   closet check the clock that it's by [TS]

00:54:44   brian greene who is a fast and it's [TS]

00:54:47   elegant science books that i like and he [TS]

00:54:49   wrote the elegant universe which is as [TS]

00:54:52   confused people who want to know about [TS]

00:54:55   string theory in much the same way if [TS]

00:54:57   it's Stephen Hawking's book a brief [TS]

00:54:58   history of time confuse people who [TS]

00:55:00   wanted to know about relativity I like I [TS]

00:55:04   loved that book actually and and this is [TS]

00:55:06   his third I think of these popular [TS]

00:55:07   science books and it's about parallel [TS]

00:55:09   universes and how they could actually be [TS]

00:55:12   scientifically possible and it's good [TS]

00:55:15   it's good it's not topical it's hard [TS]

00:55:17   it's hard rowing in a sense that you [TS]

00:55:20   know it's physics and you've got a you [TS]

00:55:22   can't exactly be listening to a baseball [TS]

00:55:23   game while you're reading it as somebody [TS]

00:55:25   who tried this York it can't be done [TS]

00:55:28   because then he started to drop [TS]

00:55:29   something on you about well if they're [TS]

00:55:31   if it's an infinitely expanding universe [TS]

00:55:33   that means there's an infinite expanse [TS]

00:55:35   in the universe which means there's an [TS]

00:55:36   infinite number of galaxies and if [TS]

00:55:38   that's true and it's truly infinite then [TS]

00:55:40   there's another planet somewhere out [TS]

00:55:43   there in the universe that's exactly [TS]

00:55:44   like [TS]

00:55:44   hours did you know there is in fact an [TS]

00:55:47   infinite number of them and it's like [TS]

00:55:49   what I have to turn off the baseball [TS]

00:55:50   game [TS]

00:55:51   oh but it's good stuff it's it's really [TS]

00:55:54   interesting he's very good at at [TS]

00:55:56   bringing these but mind-blowing things [TS]

00:55:58   that are happening and in modern physics [TS]

00:56:00   and trying to explain it it with you [TS]

00:56:03   know some analogies and try to get you [TS]

00:56:05   understand what an 11 dimensional string [TS]

00:56:07   theory based space-time would would be [TS]

00:56:10   like which is really hard but he does a [TS]

00:56:12   pretty good job so i recommend the Brian [TS]

00:56:16   Greene you know his series start with [TS]

00:56:18   the elegant universe which is excellent [TS]

00:56:20   about string theory if it has been a the [TS]

00:56:23   Pluto files by neil degrasse tyson i [TS]

00:56:26   haven't although I I should because i [TS]

00:56:28   read i think i spent on an earlier [TS]

00:56:29   podcast i read Mike Brown's book how I [TS]

00:56:32   killed Pluto and why it had it coming [TS]

00:56:34   which is a lot of fun about being a [TS]

00:56:36   working astronomer and finding these [TS]

00:56:37   deep solar system objects but i haven't [TS]

00:56:40   read the profiles [TS]

00:56:42   it's a lo lot of fun because he gets a [TS]

00:56:44   so Neil deGrasse Tyson runs the Hayden [TS]

00:56:47   Planetarium planetarium exactly so here [TS]

00:56:49   they they changed their their [TS]

00:56:52   representation of the solar system [TS]

00:56:54   material out and grouped with other [TS]

00:56:56   other things because they group the [TS]

00:56:57   planets in the ways that they were [TS]

00:56:59   grouped with celestial objects and so [TS]

00:57:02   then that kind of started this whole [TS]

00:57:03   thing about him killing Pluto and the [TS]

00:57:06   push the original saludo killer he was [TS]

00:57:08   and your favorite pounds that he's [TS]

00:57:10   getting like letters from four-year-olds [TS]

00:57:13   written in crayon accusing him exactly [TS]

00:57:16   why did you need dear dr. Tyson neil [TS]

00:57:19   degrasse tyson why did you kill flew to [TS]

00:57:21   open i am very sad sad face here exactly [TS]

00:57:27   yeah I know he's a funny guy I actually [TS]

00:57:30   follow him on twitter and he has he is [TS]

00:57:32   very smart and funny guy and I've been [TS]

00:57:36   to the Hayden Planetarium and I saw the [TS]

00:57:38   diorama and afterward i thought you know [TS]

00:57:40   i think that i think that's the place [TS]

00:57:42   where they killed Pluto are there is [TS]

00:57:46   there a little chalk outline exactly [TS]

00:57:47   little circle at the underfloor but I [TS]

00:57:50   did read the reason Empire has anyone [TS]

00:57:54   heard of this by scott westerfeld who is [TS]

00:57:56   now that you mention it on [TS]

00:57:57   on the Twitter I i enjoyed it he scott [TS]

00:58:01   westerfeld is probably best known for [TS]

00:58:03   his young adult fiction now so he wrote [TS]

00:58:06   Leviathan and behemoths and some other [TS]

00:58:09   books that kids like to read [TS]

00:58:13   I an adult center but the the reason [TS]

00:58:16   Empire is his he explains on his website [TS]

00:58:19   that he wanted to write the space opera [TS]

00:58:22   that he wanted to read when he was a [TS]

00:58:24   fourteen-year-old so he wrote the reason [TS]

00:58:26   empire which is a fascinating book about [TS]

00:58:30   this empire called the reason empire who [TS]

00:58:32   they figure out how to cheat death by [TS]

00:58:35   creating this viet that will give you [TS]

00:58:38   eternal life but the problem is you have [TS]

00:58:40   to be dead before it can be implanted [TS]

00:58:42   into you so kind of resurrects you and [TS]

00:58:46   then there are other races that have [TS]

00:58:48   solved the problem of immortality in [TS]

00:58:50   different ways and so it's an [TS]

00:58:52   interesting book but you should read it [TS]

00:58:55   there are two books that were actually [TS]

00:58:56   written as one book so if you decide you [TS]

00:58:58   want to read the reason Empire make sure [TS]

00:59:00   you get the sequel because it is in fact [TS]

00:59:02   one book and the first bar ends very [TS]

00:59:04   abruptly ah that seems to get around now [TS]

00:59:07   if you know we're going in it's not a [TS]

00:59:10   problem right [TS]

00:59:11   it's if you don't get going in yet why [TS]

00:59:13   that's dangerous no residents to me that [TS]

00:59:17   happened to me with the economy blog [TS]

00:59:18   economy was here to back out [TS]

00:59:20   I like mattered man she's running [TS]

00:59:21   children pages they're not gonna get out [TS]

00:59:23   ok guess that just stops right there [TS]

00:59:26   this is basically this book stops like [TS]

00:59:28   in the middle of the climactic battle [TS]

00:59:29   and it's just stops sure that is awkward [TS]

00:59:33   good rage rage [TS]

00:59:37   alright i like talking about books I I [TS]

00:59:40   wish I read more books it's hard to find [TS]

00:59:43   time to read so many good books that are [TS]

00:59:44   out there that I hear about on the [TS]

00:59:46   podcast and some mediocre ones i don't [TS]

00:59:48   have any time to reread things [TS]

00:59:50   dan and I am [TS]

00:59:53   yeah I don't know I I it's hard to get [TS]

00:59:56   me into some new books [TS]

00:59:57   I'm very now I I [TS]

00:59:57   I'm very now I I [TS]

01:00:00   you know like if there's an author the [TS]

01:00:01   way that I follow and like anything come [TS]

01:00:03   up with a new book i almost always read [TS]

01:00:04   it but I'm very skittish sometimes about [TS]

01:00:06   about reading new unproven mother's [TS]

01:00:09   unproven to you or unproven in general [TS]

01:00:13   just to me I'm i am very very [TS]

01:00:15   self-centered ridic [TS]

01:00:17   oh yeah self-centered self-centered [TS]

01:00:19   self-interested egotistical arrogant [TS]

01:00:23   yep that kinda stuff if so yeah that's [TS]

01:00:26   me alright well thank you for joining me [TS]

01:00:30   and talking about books it's so nice to [TS]

01:00:31   feel as if I am surrounded by people who [TS]

01:00:34   are literate my friend got a fortune and [TS]

01:00:36   misfortune cookie the other night that [TS]

01:00:38   said you are not illiterate while high [TS]

01:00:41   praise that was quite a quite a [TS]

01:00:44   backhanded couple in bed haha how many [TS]

01:00:49   gold that is why Scott McNulty is here [TS]

01:00:52   also because he read lots of books it's [TS]

01:00:54   true [TS]

01:00:55   alright well thanks to everybody for [TS]

01:00:58   joining us on the podcast tonight thanks [TS]

01:01:01   to my compatriots although we aren't [TS]

01:01:05   green-skinned aliens fighting [TS]

01:01:08   compatriots we are still looking for [TS]

01:01:09   that some patriotic it's dan more'n [TS]

01:01:12   thankyou thankyou results and Scott [TS]

01:01:16   McMurphy thank you as always [TS]

01:01:18   hello it's a pleasure as a until next [TS]

01:01:20   time this is justin still for the [TS]

01:01:22   uncomfortable signing off [TS]

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01:01:35   I have never picked up one of those [TS]

01:01:38   books they are not good but I read them [TS]

01:01:40   all [TS]

01:01:41   we all we all have those that way i just [TS]

01:01:44   i just read the third book in this [TS]

01:01:45   series called them seeing that damn [TS]

01:01:48   while you were talking I was thinking [TS]

01:01:49   the way you set that up with saying [TS]

01:01:51   there are some books that i read that i [TS]

01:01:53   don't that aren't very good and i just [TS]

01:01:55   read a trilogy and I thought what would [TS]

01:01:57   be that would trilogy with that be and I [TS]

01:02:00   know what I came up with his trilogy [TS]

01:02:01   called the garbage chronicles which is [TS]

01:02:05   about a group of of garbage reclamation [TS]

01:02:09   workers and I imagine the first book is [TS]

01:02:13   probably called something like like [TS]

01:02:17   Johnny refuse and the aluminum cans i [TS]

01:02:21   was thinking I was thinking one man's [TS]

01:02:23   trash that that's the second bottle to [TS]

01:02:26   and the foot and the third book is just [TS]

01:02:28   cultural [TS]

01:02:31   and [TS]

01:02:32   the dose down in the producers yeah it [TS]

01:02:37   goes down we have there now we have to [TS]

01:02:39   write this Jason's he would haha well [TS]

01:02:42   when we when we kick off when we kick [TS]

01:02:44   off the uncomfortable press yes we have [TS]

01:02:47   the garbage chronicles garbage chronic [TS]

01:02:50   look one Johnny refuse and the aluminum [TS]

01:02:53   gantry book that destiny and murdered [TS]

01:02:56   being comfortable keep watching the dump [TS]

01:03:02   yeah don't you always get the last word [TS]

01:03:08   it gets better it gets better as every [TS]

01:03:11   time to jump you never know what will [TS]

01:03:13   come out of the dump have to write this [TS]

01:03:15   program although I have a few ideas [TS]

01:03:16   tells me you one of them better off not [TS]

01:03:21   knowing [TS]

01:03:22   you know what goes into the dump you [TS]

01:03:24   know what come out keep working on I [TS]

01:03:26   think it needs some tinkering but I [TS]

01:03:27   around so you should you should workshop [TS]

01:03:29   it a little [TS]

01:03:30   all right i'll do that [TS]

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