The Incomparable

38: Curse of the Bad Plot


00:00:00   we're back for the uncomfortableness [TS]

00:00:05   flash podcast discussing the new season [TS]

00:00:08   of doctor who which is airing [TS]

00:00:10   simultaneously in America and England [TS]

00:00:11   it's so exciting i'm jason l joining me [TS]

00:00:15   are Dan Morgan and serenity Caldwell [TS]

00:00:17   hello and i know the latest doctor who [TS]

00:00:21   episode i'll say it was it the curse of [TS]

00:00:23   the black truck now wait that wasn't [TS]

00:00:24   part of the Galleon curse of the black [TS]

00:00:26   spot top was the third episode of this [TS]

00:00:31   first half of this strange split doctor [TS]

00:00:34   who season pirates there be pirates and [TS]

00:00:38   amy pond with a cutlass yes yes well I [TS]

00:00:42   was let's start with that that was a [TS]

00:00:44   highlight [TS]

00:00:45   I I you know if you watched i don't know [TS]

00:00:47   if you saw the doctor who confidential [TS]

00:00:48   but it was very clear that they were [TS]

00:00:50   just taking off all the boxes of well if [TS]

00:00:51   we do a pirate episode we got to do [TS]

00:00:53   these things and one of them was there's [TS]

00:00:54   going to be a sword fight and amy pond [TS]

00:00:56   will have the sole yeah she buckled this [TS]

00:01:00   washer to she did she swung across on a [TS]

00:01:04   rope and it was a pretty much stayed [TS]

00:01:07   like they definitely went down that list [TS]

00:01:08   and they pretty much got them all out of [TS]

00:01:10   the way in the first but 10 minutes or [TS]

00:01:12   so about that walking the plank and and [TS]

00:01:15   all of that now now I'm then the clever [TS]

00:01:18   trick was that she didn't actually have [TS]

00:01:20   to be that good at sword fighting [TS]

00:01:22   because she just had to have a pointy [TS]

00:01:24   thing that could cause you could draw [TS]

00:01:27   blood because then the demon mermaid [TS]

00:01:30   would come and get them because they [TS]

00:01:32   have a black spot right i just thought [TS]

00:01:34   it was hilarious [TS]

00:01:35   the guns though what the heck that will [TS]

00:01:38   help make you bleed [TS]

00:01:39   yeah but I think there's a there's a bit [TS]

00:01:41   of a hesitation to using a gun [TS]

00:01:44   it's more the threat whereas the sword [TS]

00:01:46   there's a it's very easy to accidentally [TS]

00:01:48   cut yourself on a sword [TS]

00:01:49   yes it's not easy to accidentally shoot [TS]

00:01:52   yourself we doing a spoiler horn for [TS]

00:01:55   this size him [TS]

00:01:56   yes we're going to talk there's no [TS]

00:01:58   spoiler horn because we're too lazy to [TS]

00:02:00   put one in but we're going to talk about [TS]

00:02:01   what happened because I that's I have a [TS]

00:02:03   really quickly in light of our recent [TS]

00:02:06   Doctor Who podcast and other doctor who [TS]

00:02:08   podcasts that we've done previously an [TS]

00:02:13   interesting show [TS]

00:02:13   listen in and trying to make an [TS]

00:02:15   emotional climax to this episode is is [TS]

00:02:17   but I don't managers will ride ever in [TS]

00:02:21   every week because it doesn't go around [TS]

00:02:23   so ridiculous that it's funny now he's [TS]

00:02:26   Kenny at this point [TS]

00:02:28   look at ya you bastard I laughed out [TS]

00:02:31   loud because we have just discussed this [TS]

00:02:33   about how many times he could die week [TS]

00:02:36   um and and it's just like yeah I would [TS]

00:02:41   be funny if it not for the fact that [TS]

00:02:42   they played it so straight and so [TS]

00:02:44   dramatic alright so we just were all [TS]

00:02:46   sitting there going a we know he's not [TS]

00:02:48   gonna die right not like that right on [TS]

00:02:53   board the point like you're not he's not [TS]

00:02:54   getting drowned to death and sort of [TS]

00:02:56   don't have disintegrated by aliens [TS]

00:02:59   I mean granted that's a little well shot [TS]

00:03:02   shot well no he was disintegrated by the [TS]

00:03:04   aliens in the dream he was shot by your [TS]

00:03:07   salary isn't and then fell in a crack by [TS]

00:03:10   the crack it so I just as an emotional [TS]

00:03:15   climax seek it did ring sort of a hollow [TS]

00:03:18   because you there is it does not seem as [TS]

00:03:20   though there is a real threat [TS]

00:03:22   no I which kind of you know gives you a [TS]

00:03:25   little left me a little bit cold i greet [TS]

00:03:27   you and it's and it's worse than that [TS]

00:03:29   actually I hate to say it because not [TS]

00:03:31   only is it not really believable because [TS]

00:03:36   they've killed him too many times so why [TS]

00:03:38   is this you know why are we putting him [TS]

00:03:40   in jeopardy but i have to say one of the [TS]

00:03:43   laziest things I have seen on Doctor Who [TS]

00:03:45   since it came back with the two or three [TS]

00:03:48   minutes of CPR and he doesn't die and he [TS]

00:03:51   doesn't wake up and she gives up and [TS]

00:03:54   then suddenly he coughs out some water [TS]

00:03:56   and he begins to breathe and he's okay [TS]

00:03:57   that is that is something that you could [TS]

00:04:00   see on any TV people and you do it get [TS]

00:04:03   in there it's not played any differently [TS]

00:04:05   it is it's not interesting [TS]

00:04:08   there's no reason for it it's absolutely [TS]

00:04:10   a failure to in my mind that that is the [TS]

00:04:13   you know it creatively that is one of [TS]

00:04:15   the lows of this show since its come [TS]

00:04:17   back because it's so lazy it they're not [TS]

00:04:20   not only is there no emotional [TS]

00:04:21   connection because you know he's not [TS]

00:04:22   going to die because they faked us out [TS]

00:04:23   too many times before but [TS]

00:04:25   I you know I don't watch Doctor Who to [TS]

00:04:27   see something that I could see in the [TS]

00:04:29   laziest you know cop show or hospital [TS]

00:04:32   show on TV it's just so boring and and [TS]

00:04:35   often i guess the other thing that got [TS]

00:04:37   me about this episode was the other [TS]

00:04:38   point which I thought it actually had a [TS]

00:04:40   shot of getting you know being sort of I [TS]

00:04:43   don't know [TS]

00:04:43   interesting was the point at which they [TS]

00:04:46   they kill the kid right like for me that [TS]

00:04:49   was a moment of whoa wow ok well they're [TS]

00:04:52   screwed and then I sort of as it sunk in [TS]

00:04:54   for the next minute or so it's like that [TS]

00:04:56   there's no way they're gonna kill a kid [TS]

00:04:58   there yeah exactly right now the way it [TS]

00:05:02   was that brief shocked with the initial [TS]

00:05:04   part where they actually do like no one [TS]

00:05:05   generally surprise saves ever yet it was [TS]

00:05:08   like oh well home made this got [TS]

00:05:09   interesting but sadly i feel like that [TS]

00:05:12   was just again something that was played [TS]

00:05:14   kind of Holly like now [TS]

00:05:15   well they're gonna save him now yeah my [TS]

00:05:18   wife turned to me and said the the [TS]

00:05:19   internet gonna kill him on Doctor Who I [TS]

00:05:21   said no instead this was like the clue [TS]

00:05:23   the doctor needed he's like a-ha a child [TS]

00:05:25   has been killed that's not possible to [TS]

00:05:26   still be alive on my television show [TS]

00:05:29   that's right but I mean and so as a [TS]

00:05:31   result you know we're left with wap it [TS]

00:05:33   watching something that entertaining [TS]

00:05:34   mainly because the trappings you know [TS]

00:05:37   hey doctor who deals pirates look good [TS]

00:05:40   and yeah I'm you Bonnie all the pirate [TS]

00:05:42   after is good [TS]

00:05:43   I there is yet no he was great i thought [TS]

00:05:45   that then the interchanges between him [TS]

00:05:47   and the doctor with the best part of the [TS]

00:05:48   episode is although my caverns [TS]

00:05:51   yeah it all you're worried now because I [TS]

00:05:53   have a hat i was waiting for hats are [TS]

00:05:56   cool [TS]

00:05:57   yeah but actually i think my favorite [TS]

00:06:00   thing about this entire episode was I [TS]

00:06:02   want to see the spin off at the end with [TS]

00:06:05   the Pirates by yeah that was I was just [TS]

00:06:07   like wow that looks that looks kind of [TS]

00:06:08   cool actually there's an interesting [TS]

00:06:10   idea that whether we are so it was a [TS]

00:06:12   russell t davies moment I thought to [TS]

00:06:13   wherein very much a sort of like why not [TS]

00:06:16   have the Pirates have a spaceship just [TS]

00:06:19   like anybody is it doesn't go over there [TS]

00:06:21   and they've got a spaceship now just it [TS]

00:06:23   it seems like that 1a kind of mad idea [TS]

00:06:25   moment of like why not why not let them [TS]

00:06:27   do that I'd like the idea is still a [TS]

00:06:30   ship even he's benefits of spaceships [TS]

00:06:32   dealership right i mean the whole idea [TS]

00:06:34   were both captains and you know he could [TS]

00:06:36   figure out sort of things in the TARDIS [TS]

00:06:37   too because he's a captain [TS]

00:06:39   understands these things which is great [TS]

00:06:40   setup for the the later thing but you [TS]

00:06:42   mentioned nobody dies and and actually [TS]

00:06:44   that's one of the other reactions i had [TS]

00:06:46   to this which is that it's a you know a [TS]

00:06:48   the resolution of the plot is extremely [TS]

00:06:51   derivative of the empty child in the [TS]

00:06:52   doctor dances where you've got another [TS]

00:06:54   medical hologram that's not killing [TS]

00:06:56   people at saving them [TS]

00:06:58   mmm yeah although i think that was more [TS]

00:07:00   effective at that point because there [TS]

00:07:01   had been a lot of episodes previous to [TS]

00:07:03   that you know which people had talked [TS]

00:07:06   about and so there was you know that [TS]

00:07:08   sheer moment of everybody lives with [TS]

00:07:10   such a great moment yeah because it was [TS]

00:07:12   such it was a victory whereas we've kind [TS]

00:07:15   of become accustomed to this you know [TS]

00:07:18   this doctor this and to a certain extent [TS]

00:07:20   the tenth doctor you know saving saving [TS]

00:07:22   right I'm just saying the rest of the [TS]

00:07:24   the little resolution where you're [TS]

00:07:25   supposed to sort of say who want to plot [TS]

00:07:27   twist [TS]

00:07:28   she's actually trying to say to them I i [TS]

00:07:30   we saw it i mean it's happened before [TS]

00:07:32   here but the villain was basically [TS]

00:07:34   Robert Picardo from Star Trek Voyager [TS]

00:07:36   just what we're saying yeah at least [TS]

00:07:39   eight the native name online medical [TS]

00:07:40   emergency which I thought was money of [TS]

00:07:42   course because his character or [TS]

00:07:43   statement also named the doctor so this [TS]

00:07:45   did did this episode seemed really [TS]

00:07:47   slacked to you guys it's okay i don't [TS]

00:07:49   like to me like they had been having [TS]

00:07:50   minutes where the pirate material and [TS]

00:07:52   then they didn't know what to do though [TS]

00:07:54   and then and then that the ending is so [TS]

00:07:56   weird they jammed up everything from the [TS]

00:07:59   first two episodes into like 30 seconds [TS]

00:08:02   at the @midnight Amelia everything not [TS]

00:08:05   just that but like they recap you know [TS]

00:08:07   his death and then burning him like I [TS]

00:08:10   don't remember we can't tell him [TS]

00:08:12   anything about that you're like this [TS]

00:08:14   it's sort of like that was last week and [TS]

00:08:16   right now but more than that like it was [TS]

00:08:18   just the first 45 minutes of the episode [TS]

00:08:20   are you know like there's no connection [TS]

00:08:23   whatsoever right well I feel it's the [TS]

00:08:25   same it's the same thing two in the [TS]

00:08:28   first two episodes or he's like oh we [TS]

00:08:30   could figure out more about this or [TS]

00:08:32   we're going to go off on adventures and [TS]

00:08:33   it's it feels like a tagline you know [TS]

00:08:36   and a lot of american shows actually I [TS]

00:08:38   feel like american american shows that [TS]

00:08:40   have standalone episodes as well as the [TS]

00:08:42   plot based episodes will do that towards [TS]

00:08:44   the end where it's like everything was [TS]

00:08:46   safe contained but they do a better job [TS]

00:08:48   of it I find because there's always [TS]

00:08:50   something sprinkled throughout the [TS]

00:08:51   episode [TS]

00:08:52   code even if it's just interchanges with [TS]

00:08:53   characters will reference something even [TS]

00:08:56   if it's you know like and again [TS]

00:08:58   throughout the episode is just [TS]

00:08:59   chronologically the pacing was weird [TS]

00:09:01   here because it was like again [TS]

00:09:03   95% the episode with no mention [TS]

00:09:05   whatsoever and then everything thrown [TS]

00:09:07   into the last little bit of the opposite [TS]

00:09:09   right it's not enough for any more like [TS]

00:09:11   having aside while they're trapped in [TS]

00:09:12   the hold about the doctor and knowing [TS]

00:09:14   that he's gonna die so he can't die now [TS]

00:09:16   because we saw him die in the future or [TS]

00:09:18   something like that instead it's all [TS]

00:09:20   right at the very end just to accept [TS]

00:09:21   lead you into the trailer that little [TS]

00:09:23   weird bit is the eyepatch lady where we [TS]

00:09:26   have I personally in which in the second [TS]

00:09:28   episode because I I couldn't remember [TS]

00:09:29   Susan the in the institution with the [TS]

00:09:33   crazy guy in the stuff on the walls the [TS]

00:09:35   mic off except that in vain that was for [TS]

00:09:38   40 children as you have a wall the [TS]

00:09:41   sliding door and right this time it [TS]

00:09:43   wasn't over yet [TS]

00:09:44   yeah we've seen so yeah I mean clearly [TS]

00:09:47   there's something going on there right [TS]

00:09:49   now which is nice at least you know [TS]

00:09:51   there's there's a continuity for that [TS]

00:09:53   looks like it was showing up in all [TS]

00:09:54   those episodes yeah you know yeah it is [TS]

00:09:58   set up it feels a little scattered [TS]

00:10:01   I mean the entire episode was cool and [TS]

00:10:04   certain expect later acts but it felt it [TS]

00:10:08   felt like a lot of scenery and not a lot [TS]

00:10:10   of plot and I just I really felt like [TS]

00:10:12   video the first part first 20 minutes i [TS]

00:10:14   guess 20-25 minutes which where they got [TS]

00:10:16   all the kind of pirate action out and [TS]

00:10:19   that was fine but the gearshift I i [TS]

00:10:23   don't know i mean i don't know what it [TS]

00:10:25   was I thought it was an interesting [TS]

00:10:26   resolution that there's a spaceship [TS]

00:10:29   there are occupying the same space [TS]

00:10:31   that's a nice doctor who come to turn [TS]

00:10:32   and yet it was kind of disappointing [TS]

00:10:35   because it didn't you know I don't know [TS]

00:10:38   it didn't really seem to go anywhere [TS]

00:10:39   like the other ones didn't and that and [TS]

00:10:41   it didn't help i think that the that the [TS]

00:10:43   the siren turns out to be a completely [TS]

00:10:48   personality free drone you know she [TS]

00:10:51   literally if it's a supermodel doesn't [TS]

00:10:53   have a line who doesn't ever say [TS]

00:10:55   anything she just stands and looks [TS]

00:10:56   pretty or occasionally medicine [TS]

00:10:58   ya like like doctors do right right yeah [TS]

00:11:02   perfectly normal [TS]

00:11:03   yeah I hate it when my doctor turns red [TS]

00:11:05   and [TS]

00:11:05   throws me across the room I much prefer [TS]

00:11:07   him green and flow to him [TS]

00:11:09   it's just something about them sooner [TS]

00:11:11   than I agree it felt it felt off [TS]

00:11:14   yeah it did and here's the thing about [TS]

00:11:15   the very end the kids and their [TS]

00:11:18   everybody else who was sick once they [TS]

00:11:20   supposed to they had to stay in stasis [TS]

00:11:21   because she couldn't figure out how to [TS]

00:11:23   fix them so why are they all of a sudden [TS]

00:11:25   happy-go-lucky wandering around the ship [TS]

00:11:27   at the end I think some of them were [TS]

00:11:29   okay because all they got was like [TS]

00:11:31   little prick my finger or something but [TS]

00:11:33   then the Sun was really sick so is that [TS]

00:11:35   nobody had a little thing had a little [TS]

00:11:36   medical thing stuck on him so the idea [TS]

00:11:38   of eros that he's you know able as long [TS]

00:11:41   as he stays in the care of the medical [TS]

00:11:42   drone he's he's alive I I don't know it [TS]

00:11:46   yeah I'm willing to give it kind of a [TS]

00:11:49   pass on that because it is fanciful it's [TS]

00:11:51   just like I'm a piratical to tickle off [TS]

00:11:53   but I hate giving doctor who will pass [TS]

00:11:55   though it's just that was the least of [TS]

00:11:58   my problems with the episode the and [TS]

00:12:00   besides able to have a tube stuck to his [TS]

00:12:03   neck and still talk you know it was that [TS]

00:12:05   way down on my list for this one [TS]

00:12:07   agreed yeah I don't know I just lacking [TS]

00:12:11   yeah like I might get a steak what my [TS]

00:12:15   kids liked it i have to say and I think [TS]

00:12:17   it's because you know there were pirates [TS]

00:12:18   and that was cool and it was you know [TS]

00:12:21   kind of scary but not that scary and you [TS]

00:12:23   know I think they still found it kind of [TS]

00:12:25   intense but you know they liked it and [TS]

00:12:27   so i will say that i think that it it [TS]

00:12:29   work just because it does have that nice [TS]

00:12:31   atmosphere around it and then when they [TS]

00:12:34   get out of the pirate ship there in a [TS]

00:12:35   kind of weird creepy atmosphere that [TS]

00:12:38   doctor who does pretty well and you know [TS]

00:12:40   but on so on the kid level maybe it [TS]

00:12:43   worked because you do get a lot of [TS]

00:12:44   credit for having pirates right now that [TS]

00:12:46   was that was fun with my parents and [TS]

00:12:48   stuff [TS]

00:12:49   yeah exactly but i'm 78 it's kinda yeah [TS]

00:12:53   it feels kinda I think shoddy you know [TS]

00:12:55   like we were saying because things like [TS]

00:12:57   you know i'll just go back to the TARDIS [TS]

00:12:59   and get out there oh we have to invent a [TS]

00:13:00   reason why the TARDIS doesn't work [TS]

00:13:02   yes it didn't really make sense that was [TS]

00:13:04   he a long painful scene to wear where he [TS]

00:13:07   matt smith and and Hugh Bonneville rrr [TS]

00:13:11   the captain are running around the [TS]

00:13:13   TARDIS control and there's the funny [TS]

00:13:14   part where they're comparing sort of his [TS]

00:13:16   captains and then the doctors have [TS]

00:13:18   problems with the target taking off and [TS]

00:13:19   he's talking about that and that makes [TS]

00:13:21   know that mean not only do i have a hard [TS]

00:13:23   time actually hearing him because the [TS]

00:13:25   sound effects and the music were so loud [TS]

00:13:27   but mumble it seemed it seemed like he [TS]

00:13:30   was it was just technobabble it really [TS]

00:13:34   was just like you know oh the TARDIS is [TS]

00:13:35   doing crazy things I don't understand [TS]

00:13:37   why and that that also seemed like like [TS]

00:13:40   padding like they really had to stretch [TS]

00:13:42   out the episode right was also felt like [TS]

00:13:44   you know we just need to in you know in [TS]

00:13:47   mental imagery right you don't have a [TS]

00:13:48   really good reason why this would happen [TS]

00:13:50   in the course the episode but in [TS]

00:13:51   addition technobabble but in addition [TS]

00:13:53   they took that you know they took an [TS]

00:13:55   extra two minutes right i mean i felt it [TS]

00:13:57   felt like it was both it was trying to [TS]

00:13:58   fix something with the plot but it was [TS]

00:14:00   also just sort of like filling out the [TS]

00:14:02   episode this episode really felt more [TS]

00:14:03   than you know you hear how they have to [TS]

00:14:05   write you know red extra scenes and fax [TS]

00:14:08   them to the set because they're hit [TS]

00:14:10   their short a few a few minutes and and [TS]

00:14:13   you know I idea i rarely if ever noticed [TS]

00:14:15   them this episode felt like they were so [TS]

00:14:18   short they just didn't have material and [TS]

00:14:22   they did their story just couldn't fit [TS]

00:14:24   in 45 minutes so they they stretched it [TS]

00:14:27   they just kind of amped I hate to say it [TS]

00:14:29   but uh I almost wish this episode been [TS]

00:14:32   10 minutes and they stuck the other 30 [TS]

00:14:34   on teal games episode because that was [TS]

00:14:35   apparently way over [TS]

00:14:37   yeah I heard I heard that was over [TS]

00:14:40   budget as well but we did get an [TS]

00:14:41   intriguing teaser we did [TS]

00:14:44   yeah so are we are we done beating up [TS]

00:14:45   the black spot because then we can talk [TS]

00:14:47   and talk [TS]

00:14:48   yeah I think I think climbing a lot of [TS]

00:14:50   sad the less said about the rest of the [TS]

00:14:52   black spot the better you look great [TS]

00:14:53   though I will say again I think that [TS]

00:14:55   this series looks fantastic [TS]

00:14:57   it was a lot of black spot and i still [TS]

00:14:59   enjoy you know matt smith i think it [TS]

00:15:01   still does great with with what he's [TS]

00:15:04   presented I feel like I really enjoyed [TS]

00:15:05   the 11th doctor still in to a certain [TS]

00:15:08   extent Amy and Rory although i really i [TS]

00:15:10   want to like worry more I feel like [TS]

00:15:12   Rory's in a position where he stole he's [TS]

00:15:14   a few the early season 9 era you know [TS]

00:15:18   for sticky and it didn't wanna think he [TS]

00:15:21   got cool later on i really liked Mickey [TS]

00:15:23   I think he knew he was the dog right but [TS]

00:15:26   it's like I don't worry was that you [TS]

00:15:28   know the Roman [TS]

00:15:29   soldier for 2,000 years Guardians right [TS]

00:15:32   little more of a badass we had that and [TS]

00:15:34   then now that he's back in every mode [TS]

00:15:36   grab the Pirates grab me he's like yeah [TS]

00:15:38   I can't get away take it away for one [TS]

00:15:41   guy anymore 2,000 years [TS]

00:15:44   yeah poor for Rory Rory doesn't deserve [TS]

00:15:47   better he deserves better just to then [TS]

00:15:50   not be the victim of the week and to [TS]

00:15:52   show that he's more capable and maybe [TS]

00:15:54   they're setting them up for some of that [TS]

00:15:55   because I hope you're happy because they [TS]

00:15:57   write him that wayward like clearly i [TS]

00:15:59   think he's got the range i think Arthur [TS]

00:16:01   Darvill got the range and the capability [TS]

00:16:02   to play more complex than that and we've [TS]

00:16:05   seen the size of it but yeah they should [TS]

00:16:08   the instead of resetting him back to [TS]

00:16:10   Annapolis companion you know I feel like [TS]

00:16:12   it'd be nice if they gave him a little [TS]

00:16:13   more air to breathe [TS]

00:16:15   yeah I'm with you alright so next time [TS]

00:16:17   trailer neil gaiman the doctor's wife is [TS]

00:16:20   the name of the episode and that's [TS]

00:16:23   certainly a horrible miss direction but [TS]

00:16:25   that's ok and it looked it looked dark [TS]

00:16:28   and scary that we got the hint of [TS]

00:16:30   another time lord maybe being out maybe [TS]

00:16:33   maybe I'm just a traffic and just out of [TS]

00:16:37   the dude dude [TS]

00:16:38   yes there's an appearance and manner of [TS]

00:16:40   the you'd and a real suggestion that [TS]

00:16:43   this is this is at last actually with [TS]

00:16:46   the exception of one shot in the [TS]

00:16:49   Christmas invasion we have not seen [TS]

00:16:52   which was really just a redressed wall [TS]

00:16:53   of the main targets interior we have not [TS]

00:16:55   seen other rooms or quarters or anything [TS]

00:16:58   outside of the other terrorist control [TS]

00:17:00   room since the show came back and I [TS]

00:17:02   think this is the episode where a lot of [TS]

00:17:05   stuff is going to happen it on the inner [TS]

00:17:07   deep inside the TARDIS which was which [TS]

00:17:09   was hinted at this week where he said [TS]

00:17:11   you can go that way to the bathroom or [TS]

00:17:12   that way which is really nice and [TS]

00:17:14   there's names there's been hints at it [TS]

00:17:16   right but we've never seen a little [TS]

00:17:17   we've never seen anybody better David [TS]

00:17:20   Tennant picking out his his suit from [TS]

00:17:23   the Wardrobe we haven't seen the inside [TS]

00:17:25   of the TARDIS and i think i think no [TS]

00:17:27   games episode is where we went along the [TS]

00:17:29   TARDIS and forgive my forgive my [TS]

00:17:31   ignorance of of doctors gone before but [TS]

00:17:34   it has there in the print prior [TS]

00:17:36   incarnations have they spent more time [TS]

00:17:39   inside the hands [TS]

00:17:40   oh yeah I mean there's a [TS]

00:17:42   Peter Davison's first episode I think [TS]

00:17:44   large chunks of it are running around in [TS]

00:17:47   quarters in the TARDIS and going to you [TS]

00:17:51   know various rooms like a meditation [TS]

00:17:53   room where he tries to sleep off his [TS]

00:17:55   regeneration for awhile it have been [TS]

00:17:57   yeah there's been a bunch of their [TS]

00:17:58   Daleks and the TARDIS at one point and I [TS]

00:18:01   dear [TS]

00:18:01   so that's where there's crevasses [TS]

00:18:03   there's there's actually I think [TS]

00:18:05   somebody says there's a fandom thing [TS]

00:18:07   that says that there's still like a [TS]

00:18:09   Dalek or sometime and running around [TS]

00:18:10   somewhere in the torque is lost because [TS]

00:18:12   you know you can do it anywhere episode [TS]

00:18:14   just lost in the target right usually [TS]

00:18:16   its infinite so so yes they have done [TS]

00:18:18   that in the classic show but not the new [TS]

00:18:20   show so it'll be interesting to see and [TS]

00:18:22   nvm and they I think it's michael sheen [TS]

00:18:25   actually renowned director Michael Sheen [TS]

00:18:27   who's who's got a deep scary voice that [TS]

00:18:30   he takes over people's uh like he's our [TS]

00:18:33   master and we do what he says you know [TS]

00:18:36   it's like yeah that's terrifying and we [TS]

00:18:39   we saw that clip there's a clip in the [TS]

00:18:40   trailer right that's the you know I've [TS]

00:18:43   killed hundreds of Timelords and met [TS]

00:18:45   over its reply is how I killed all of [TS]

00:18:47   them so tough that high high [TS]

00:18:51   expectations for added so after that we [TS]

00:18:54   have what three more before this sort of [TS]

00:18:56   season cliffhanger yeah [TS]

00:19:00   76 in the yeah it's um yes seven and six [TS]

00:19:06   other word episode 3 episode 4 steel [TS]

00:19:08   gaiman uh five and six are two parter by [TS]

00:19:14   because we did life on morrison & ashes [TS]

00:19:18   Matthew Graham and then the and then the [TS]

00:19:20   finale midseason followed by Moffat so [TS]

00:19:23   that's what's to come [TS]

00:19:25   I you know I don't know maybe it's too [TS]

00:19:28   early in the season stay but I guess we [TS]

00:19:29   have already had one sees an entirely [TS]

00:19:31   Steven Moffat I I like Steven Moffat a [TS]

00:19:33   lot but and I like you know that was [TS]

00:19:36   obviously written some some really great [TS]

00:19:37   episodes for prior seasons as well but i [TS]

00:19:41   guess you know so far i feel like i have [TS]

00:19:43   expected more from him as the showrunner [TS]

00:19:45   and he is not yet delivered necessary [TS]

00:19:47   and all of that but you know obviously [TS]

00:19:49   it's so early in the season to say he [TS]

00:19:52   pulled it out of the fire last season I [TS]

00:19:54   was after that two-part [TS]

00:19:55   with the with the Silurians yeah i [TS]

00:19:59   remember i was ready i was ready to give [TS]

00:20:01   it up I was so despairing and then they [TS]

00:20:03   they turned it around the rest of the [TS]

00:20:05   season was really great but yeah it's a [TS]

00:20:08   I'm starting to feel like they're gonna [TS]

00:20:12   have to do that again he 10 minutes and [TS]

00:20:15   it's pretty scary i I'm also starting to [TS]

00:20:17   think [TS]

00:20:18   have we seen all of Steven Moffat tricks [TS]

00:20:20   and if that's true then I'd rather they [TS]

00:20:22   you know that he move on and they find [TS]

00:20:24   somebody else who's got new tricks to [TS]

00:20:26   tell because I you know it's feeling [TS]

00:20:28   more like this my criticism of Star Trek [TS]

00:20:30   after like they went through deep space [TS]

00:20:33   nine and Voyager and was essentially the [TS]

00:20:35   same group of producers and writers who [TS]

00:20:38   had been on next-generation so they've [TS]

00:20:39   been there for like 15 20 years [TS]

00:20:42   practically and with Moffat I thought we [TS]

00:20:45   were going to get something to the [TS]

00:20:46   formula [TS]

00:20:47   yeah y-yeah I Moffat was going to be [TS]

00:20:49   really new and do some different stuff [TS]

00:20:51   and now you know it turns out since he [TS]

00:20:53   wrote every episode or you know for an [TS]

00:20:55   episode for every season maybe he [TS]

00:20:57   doesn't really have anything new to say [TS]

00:20:59   and he sort of already already spent [TS]

00:21:02   most of it so I just because i think i [TS]

00:21:04   think he is I mean you know you see the [TS]

00:21:06   work that he's done for example on [TS]

00:21:08   Sherlock [TS]

00:21:09   oh yeah and it's clear that he's got [TS]

00:21:10   interesting ideas rice it just made me [TS]

00:21:13   that the doc doctor who is not been his [TS]

00:21:16   he's run out for so many years of having [TS]

00:21:18   penned up all these ideas if he's kind [TS]

00:21:20   of blown through them a little bit [TS]

00:21:22   quicker than he [TS]

00:21:23   yeah i'm going to choose to be hopeful [TS]

00:21:25   about Steven Moffat and and assume that [TS]

00:21:27   he's not blowing through all of his [TS]

00:21:28   ideas it's just a rough start to a [TS]

00:21:31   season which is happened on many and [TS]

00:21:33   many an occasion and holds out last year [TS]

00:21:36   ya know it's joanna about saying I'm not [TS]

00:21:38   I'm not condemning it obviously be [TS]

00:21:40   ridiculous after three episodes but you [TS]

00:21:43   know I I i am just you know I'm cautious [TS]

00:21:47   i don't want to be burned [TS]

00:21:49   yeah very very sensitive yeah we've been [TS]

00:21:52   hurt before i can have I have been here [TS]

00:21:54   before so many times shows the number [TS]

00:21:57   wrong to you in the past also many shows [TS]

00:21:59   that have wronged me [TS]

00:22:00   alright well so that was a good way to [TS]

00:22:04   start a setup [TS]

00:22:05   that was that was depressing the well no [TS]

00:22:09   I mean Chris the black spot I think [TS]

00:22:10   that's what the short version of it is [TS]

00:22:12   it was disappointing and and there are [TS]

00:22:13   some things to do like about it but kind [TS]

00:22:18   of mass kinda bored and upward yeah [TS]

00:22:20   yes Neil Gaiman next week we're all [TS]

00:22:22   excited for that I am [TS]

00:22:24   yeah I don't want to be yeah I want to [TS]

00:22:26   begin I would have been happening the [TS]

00:22:27   next time trailer basically what we're [TS]

00:22:29   saying and a good time trailer looks [TS]

00:22:32   good and a couple lines [TS]

00:22:35   alright alright I get I can't disagree i [TS]

00:22:38   just if I I I would really rather never [TS]

00:22:40   see another live dammit live CPR scene [TS]

00:22:45   again as long as I live serious i agree [TS]

00:22:48   makes me want to not be saved by CPR if [TS]

00:22:50   I die if I'm dying inside that she is [TS]

00:22:53   glad to add on to she did do it wrong [TS]

00:22:56   i'm done with everything else after he [TS]

00:22:59   told her not to he's a nurse listen to [TS]

00:23:01   again [TS]

00:23:02   yeah I want to play that scene back Amy [TS]

00:23:04   you're a terrible you'll be a terrible [TS]

00:23:06   nurse [TS]

00:23:06   trust me i'm a nurse I know don't save [TS]

00:23:08   me maybe she was getting revenge on [TS]

00:23:12   improved for talking about how the [TS]

00:23:14   mermaid wolf or forgetting her happy [TS]

00:23:16   pregnant baby with her quantum pregnancy [TS]

00:23:19   nothing worse than being half pregnant [TS]

00:23:22   yeah what it wants and pregnancy is the [TS]

00:23:24   name of my new band by the way you know [TS]

00:23:26   it isn't me and they ended the same [TS]

00:23:28   episode exactly the same way was making [TS]

00:23:31   it like Justin gates you really weren't [TS]

00:23:34   the last stinger is pregnant yes no [TS]

00:23:36   again oh yeah we got it [TS]

00:23:38   that's why I'm saying it reminds me of [TS]

00:23:40   american television don't have Americans [TS]

00:23:43   realize skeleton is that because it's [TS]

00:23:45   the fact that it it just makes it like [TS]

00:23:48   what did we just watch for 45 minutes [TS]

00:23:50   it was unimportant they're basically [TS]

00:23:52   telling us the most climactic thing we [TS]

00:23:55   can end this episode on is something we [TS]

00:23:56   showed you last class we yeah so you're [TS]

00:23:59   rested so as point at the trailer for [TS]

00:24:02   next week [TS]

00:24:03   that's your way and that's why it's a [TS]

00:24:06   filler episode [TS]

00:24:07   yeah i guess so i want you know but [TS]

00:24:09   pirates the pirates minutes [TS]

00:24:12   yes alright well that now that we've [TS]

00:24:15   depressed everybody and all the doctor [TS]

00:24:17   who fans have thrown away their ipod [TS]

00:24:19   nods and discussed I'm gonna buy you [TS]

00:24:23   know thank you for coming on and and [TS]

00:24:25   it's like therapy sometimes podcasting [TS]

00:24:28   little baby talk it through which is [TS]

00:24:30   better shared with others [TS]

00:24:32   that's right always a writer of company [TS]

00:24:35   and that wraps up this edition of the [TS]

00:24:37   uncomfortable / dr. podcast for Dan [TS]

00:24:41   Morgan and serenity coldwell I'm Jason [TS]

00:24:43   cell thanks for listening [TS]

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