The Incomparable

328: Panspermia, but for Clothes


00:00:02   the incomparable number 320 a November [TS]

00:00:11   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:12   uncomfortable i'm your host Jason Snell [TS]

00:00:14   we are going to do an unusual thing semi [TS]

00:00:16   unusual thing for the uncomfortable [TS]

00:00:18   which is talk about a movie that is in [TS]

00:00:19   theaters now as we record this it is [TS]

00:00:22   November 2016 and a film released in [TS]

00:00:26   this very month is on our agenda we are [TS]

00:00:30   going to talk about a rival directed by [TS]

00:00:34   Denny Villeneuve and starring Amy Adams [TS]

00:00:38   and jeremy renner along with forest [TS]

00:00:39   whitaker and some other interesting [TS]

00:00:41   people based on the ted chang story [TS]

00:00:44   story of your life which I i should i [TS]

00:00:47   should look up we discussed it that [TS]

00:00:50   story and his entire collection in in an [TS]

00:00:53   early episode of the incomparable [TS]

00:00:55   episode number 20 nope 3232 you can go [TS]

00:00:59   back to number 32 and here past us talk [TS]

00:01:02   about that [TS]

00:01:04   joining me to talk about arrival are [TS]

00:01:07   these three lovely people lean sims [TS]

00:01:09   hello hello [TS]

00:01:11   it's good to have you here thank you i'm [TS]

00:01:13   excited to talk about this amazing movie [TS]

00:01:16   I loved spoilers John siracusa is also [TS]

00:01:20   here is was will be something like that [TS]

00:01:23   hi John [TS]

00:01:23   yeah it's kinda seems like I've always [TS]

00:01:25   been here and yet I haven't arrived yet [TS]

00:01:27   Glenn fleischmann was joining us and [TS]

00:01:31   always joins us hi Glenn [TS]

00:01:34   hi I can't tell you how hard it was [TS]

00:01:36   we're talking about the story is a few [TS]

00:01:37   years ago do not mention this episode [TS]

00:01:38   but i did it i pulled it off [TS]

00:01:40   that's good that's good heptapod be and [TS]

00:01:43   of course I don't know why of course he [TS]

00:01:45   saw the movie and I want to talk about [TS]

00:01:47   its just oh hi Joe [TS]

00:01:49   hello you were one of the motivators for [TS]

00:01:51   me to finally pull the trigger on on [TS]

00:01:53   this because you're like I have things I [TS]

00:01:55   would like to say I'm like alright so do [TS]

00:01:56   I let's do it let's make it happen our [TS]

00:01:58   friend Erica and sign can't be here [TS]

00:02:00   because she's traveling we're recording [TS]

00:02:01   this just before Thanksgiving and she's [TS]

00:02:03   traveling to the United States for [TS]

00:02:04   thanksgiving but but out at a key moment [TS]

00:02:07   we will interject something that she [TS]

00:02:09   wanted to make known about goal this [TS]

00:02:11   film so that's exciting [TS]

00:02:13   everybody stay tuned stay tuned for that [TS]

00:02:15   it's a it's a good officer is actually [TS]

00:02:17   the first review of it i read excellent [TS]

00:02:19   very similar observation and it's very [TS]

00:02:20   good [TS]

00:02:21   so this is a movie like a so many about [TS]

00:02:24   aliens appearing on earth and you can [TS]

00:02:28   probably guess what will happen next and [TS]

00:02:31   pretty much none of those things happen [TS]

00:02:34   i think that's that's my opening [TS]

00:02:36   statement is one of the I mean I know [TS]

00:02:37   what was going to happen because i read [TS]

00:02:39   the short story five years ago but i [TS]

00:02:41   really enjoy how it's on one level it's [TS]

00:02:46   like 50 other movies and yet when you [TS]

00:02:49   get a little of that level it is not [TS]

00:02:51   like very many other movies at all [TS]

00:02:53   I i really like that about it what do [TS]

00:02:55   you all what did you all do you all [TS]

00:02:57   think about the the concept of this of [TS]

00:02:59   this movie the basic concept but i'm a [TS]

00:03:01   huge fan up the short story i'd say the [TS]

00:03:04   story is which I reread after seeing the [TS]

00:03:07   film I don't want to spoil my memory [TS]

00:03:09   that gets into the home phone itself i [TS]

00:03:11   don't remember too well when I was about [TS]

00:03:13   to see and it's a story that I think [TS]

00:03:16   about all the time like I would say not [TS]

00:03:19   a month goes by that the story doesn't [TS]

00:03:20   pop up my thoughts in some ways are [TS]

00:03:22   reminded by it over the many years since [TS]

00:03:24   i first read it because it it has this [TS]

00:03:29   residence to me about especially since [TS]

00:03:31   becoming a parent because I think [TS]

00:03:33   there's something deep in a story of [TS]

00:03:36   your life about parenthood but also it's [TS]

00:03:41   a rollicking sci-fi story that has [TS]

00:03:42   really interesting elements that are [TS]

00:03:43   almost unique to the story that you [TS]

00:03:46   almost don't see in the whole of science [TS]

00:03:48   fiction which is kinda Ted Chang thing [TS]

00:03:50   that he said he does so many stories [TS]

00:03:52   that are almost three generous you don't [TS]

00:03:55   you know you're like how I rented [TS]

00:03:56   anywhere else like no no not exactly so [TS]

00:03:59   watching in the movie i had that [TS]

00:04:00   medicine sation of kind of knowing what [TS]

00:04:03   the whole movie is going to be about [TS]

00:04:04   which is perfect for this film but not [TS]

00:04:06   really knowing what I was what I was [TS]

00:04:10   about to see so I had that overlay on it [TS]

00:04:13   as well I went into this i knew nothing [TS]

00:04:16   about it I hadn't read the short story I [TS]

00:04:18   don't even know if I knew there was a [TS]

00:04:19   short story I hadn't seen a trailer and [TS]

00:04:22   I just had a bunch of friends who saw it [TS]

00:04:24   more like wow that was astounding as so [TS]

00:04:28   I one of them being you Jason text my [TS]

00:04:32   husband from lake in the middle of my [TS]

00:04:34   class that i was teaching was like it [TS]

00:04:36   you can see the movie tonight [TS]

00:04:37   and so we went I and i loved it so much [TS]

00:04:43   there's so much that is extremely well [TS]

00:04:45   done and I i do have some quibbles but [TS]

00:04:48   by and large the the entire thing I [TS]

00:04:52   thought was really really beautiful and [TS]

00:04:55   both from lake at a cinematic mood [TS]

00:04:58   setting standpoint and I thought amy [TS]

00:05:02   adams was absolutely amazing she did [TS]

00:05:05   such a great job in that role and I felt [TS]

00:05:08   a little betrayed that I said jeremy [TS]

00:05:10   renner movie but I gotta ask that and I [TS]

00:05:14   i really loved it like I walked out of [TS]

00:05:16   there my husband we do a rating system [TS]

00:05:18   when we see movies or whatever and he [TS]

00:05:20   was like okay so how many stars and I [TS]

00:05:21   was like this is a solid like four and a [TS]

00:05:23   half stars movie for me it is one of the [TS]

00:05:25   best movies i've seen in a long time and [TS]

00:05:29   he's wrong he gave it three and a half [TS]

00:05:31   but it wasn't the best movies that i [TS]

00:05:33   have seen and we're gonna have you said [TS]

00:05:35   he trashed three-and-a-half is not [TS]

00:05:37   trashing it [TS]

00:05:38   he no no he didn't trash it but he [TS]

00:05:42   didn't love it on the level that i did [TS]

00:05:45   and i think part of that is some of the [TS]

00:05:48   stuff that Erica wanted to bring up that [TS]

00:05:49   will talk about after the spoiler home [TS]

00:05:51   porn goes off so earn and but yeah I [TS]

00:05:54   think from a gender perspective from [TS]

00:05:56   seeing people represented in movies who [TS]

00:05:58   are like me this did better than any [TS]

00:06:00   movie that I've seen in maybe ever and [TS]

00:06:03   but we'll talk about that later [TS]

00:06:04   I just learned that there will be a [TS]

00:06:06   spoiler horn coming up so i will pilot [TS]

00:06:09   the ship accordingly Joe do you have any [TS]

00:06:11   initial thoughts that you want to share [TS]

00:06:12   about arrival I like a clean i had not [TS]

00:06:16   read the short story and if I ever [TS]

00:06:18   listened to the comfortable episode [TS]

00:06:20   about it i completely forgot which is [TS]

00:06:21   how i do most of the book episodes and [TS]

00:06:23   then I usually remember that i wanted to [TS]

00:06:26   read something based on what you had [TS]

00:06:27   talked about and eventually get around [TS]

00:06:29   to it [TS]

00:06:29   we call that the modified McNulty rule [TS]

00:06:31   which is a few of you you for even [TS]

00:06:33   forget about listening to podcast about [TS]

00:06:35   books you might read yeah and it's so it [TS]

00:06:37   worked it worked out okay in terms of I [TS]

00:06:39   like the movie but now i have tried to [TS]

00:06:40   go back and read the book I didn't [TS]

00:06:42   manage before this podcast though and I [TS]

00:06:45   know going into it that the two are not [TS]

00:06:48   directly related in enough of a way that [TS]

00:06:50   would seriously impact my movie-going [TS]

00:06:53   experience so i'm a i'm kind of a happy [TS]

00:06:57   that I did get the the fresh take on it [TS]

00:06:59   I wasn't worried about any sort of [TS]

00:07:02   divergence from from the plot of the [TS]

00:07:04   book and I I should specify it's not [TS]

00:07:06   even a book it's a short stories about [TS]

00:07:07   70 pages long in in a collection of [TS]

00:07:09   short stories called stories of your [TS]

00:07:10   life and others but the actual story [TS]

00:07:12   story of your life is about 70 pages [TS]

00:07:14   long [TS]

00:07:14   it's not exciting but not quite a [TS]

00:07:16   novella right it's like yeah maybe it's [TS]

00:07:17   a short novella is its short story [TS]

00:07:19   feeling [TS]

00:07:20   yeah i just started with the beginning [TS]

00:07:22   of the book in there it's like some [TS]

00:07:24   Babylon tower thing [TS]

00:07:25   oh yeah that's that's a pretty good [TS]

00:07:26   story but they're not related you don't [TS]

00:07:27   you don't have to read them anymore but [TS]

00:07:29   I like that one too that was weird is it [TS]

00:07:31   he's a good writer like just wanted to [TS]

00:07:32   get some context did her the will get [TS]

00:07:35   done but still but now I i like the [TS]

00:07:38   execution of this movie like being said [TS]

00:07:40   I do have some quibbles with it a [TS]

00:07:42   particularly in terms of execution of [TS]

00:07:45   some hair or something um ok [TS]

00:07:47   yeah but the overall i have really [TS]

00:07:51   positive feelings about about what I saw [TS]

00:07:53   and I think part of that is the film's [TS]

00:07:56   optimistic a tone that it sets in spite [TS]

00:08:02   of a certain bittersweet moments that [TS]

00:08:04   you might have in your life so i really [TS]

00:08:06   look forward to discussing that all [TS]

00:08:09   right today so I'm it's like I'm drawing [TS]

00:08:11   opening statements out of people who [TS]

00:08:13   have not John you have some initial [TS]

00:08:14   thoughts before we blow the spoiler horn [TS]

00:08:16   I guess I'm the third one who also [TS]

00:08:18   didn't read the short story and may or [TS]

00:08:20   may not have listened to the incompetent [TS]

00:08:22   episode about and i'm pretty sure i did [TS]

00:08:23   but i think like it wasn't one of those [TS]

00:08:25   ones where you you talk about a lot of [TS]

00:08:27   things and I think I may be managed to [TS]

00:08:28   talk about this story without actually [TS]

00:08:30   spoiling it because I I think that's [TS]

00:08:32   probably about it [TS]

00:08:33   yeah i think we talked about the flavor [TS]

00:08:34   of the shape of it yeah yeah i didn't i [TS]

00:08:36   didn't know how it was gonna turn out [TS]

00:08:37   but it's not like I was watching oh yeah [TS]

00:08:39   I kind of know this is gonna turn out [TS]

00:08:40   like i didn't i didn't had no memory of [TS]

00:08:42   it at all and I and likely not mostly [TS]

00:08:46   went to it based on Jason's raves it and [TS]

00:08:50   a couple of the people said good things [TS]

00:08:51   about to but you were raving about him [TS]

00:08:52   like ah right well then I guess what we [TS]

00:08:54   took the whole family because I figured [TS]

00:08:56   what the heck [TS]

00:08:56   although my daughter was bored by it but [TS]

00:08:59   yeah I i we didn't take the kids because [TS]

00:09:02   i figured that they would probably [TS]

00:09:04   keyboard yeah it's a little slow but [TS]

00:09:06   anyway I'm I i had seen the trailers a [TS]

00:09:08   little bit of the trailers I had avoided [TS]

00:09:10   any spoilers that it wasn't spoiled for [TS]

00:09:12   this movie and and I wanted to see it [TS]

00:09:14   kind of the same way I see a lot of [TS]

00:09:15   movies where I feel like I want to [TS]

00:09:17   support the kind of movie I like to see [TS]

00:09:19   made and even if I didn't like this [TS]

00:09:22   movie at all like well it's one of those [TS]

00:09:24   kind of seems like serious [TS]

00:09:27   character-driven sci-fi stories and I [TS]

00:09:29   more I wish there was more of those like [TS]

00:09:31   it doesn't always have to be you know a [TS]

00:09:32   Marvel movie are you blowing up aliens [TS]

00:09:34   or even like a space opera star wars [TS]

00:09:36   like you know just playing outside [TS]

00:09:37   families just not enough that's what the [TS]

00:09:38   reason I see oblivion even though it's [TS]

00:09:40   not great you know just like i watch i [TS]

00:09:42   watch almost anything that promises to [TS]

00:09:44   be a semi-serious sci-fi movie and I [TS]

00:09:46   thought this movie was executed in an [TS]

00:09:49   interesting way and told the story that [TS]

00:09:53   I hadn't seen you know told in movies [TS]

00:09:55   that often i think i like they're [TS]

00:09:58   probably less than everybody else's [TS]

00:10:00   opinion ever heard so far but i totally [TS]

00:10:03   want there to be more movies like this [TS]

00:10:05   and I appreciate a lot of things about [TS]

00:10:06   this movie is just it the story in the [TS]

00:10:09   end doesn't hold together for me but [TS]

00:10:12   just don't I ask you one question about [TS]

00:10:14   the film which is if you had this [TS]

00:10:16   reaction which was that the depiction of [TS]

00:10:18   like setting stuff up in a tent and the [TS]

00:10:21   kind of stuff that computers were doing [TS]

00:10:22   seemed actually okay like it [TS]

00:10:26   it struck me as not exaggerating the [TS]

00:10:28   potential even though we can tell it's [TS]

00:10:30   maybe slightly in the future I'm not [TS]

00:10:31   sure maybe tiny bit that it felt [TS]

00:10:34   realistic and earthy that was that's the [TS]

00:10:36   least of my concerns like this point i'm [TS]

00:10:38   so so willing to you know they it was [TS]

00:10:41   beneath the level of my concern if i can [TS]

00:10:43   let you have to really be egregiously [TS]

00:10:45   terrible at showing technology from you [TS]

00:10:48   to notice at this point and they [TS]

00:10:49   everything was fine and notice the [TS]

00:10:51   little bit of the idea of like the [TS]

00:10:53   beautiful design graphics showing when [TS]

00:10:55   people are the countries are [TS]

00:10:56   disconnected as a as a movie isn't the [TS]

00:10:59   jumped out a little bit i have no that's [TS]

00:11:01   not part of what I the problems i [TS]

00:11:03   haven't I can't really talk about [TS]

00:11:04   spoiling I only bring it up because the [TS]

00:11:06   I feel like there's also some [TS]

00:11:07   science-fiction movies are spoiled for [TS]

00:11:09   me now because I feel like some of the [TS]

00:11:10   fundamental stuff they're showing not [TS]

00:11:12   just the technology but the kind of [TS]

00:11:14   interaction what things are expected to [TS]

00:11:15   do break for me [TS]

00:11:17   so much i can't get over the suspension [TS]

00:11:18   of disbelief there's too much and radium [TS]

00:11:20   without enough story underneath it in [TS]

00:11:22   this case I felt like that they depicted [TS]

00:11:24   technology realistically and very [TS]

00:11:26   plainly in the middle of what was a very [TS]

00:11:28   technologically sophisticated thing [TS]

00:11:30   happening and that to me maybe know the [TS]

00:11:32   more I felt more real to meet and feels [TS]

00:11:33   distant you had a light touch with all [TS]

00:11:36   that stuff like they weren't the entire [TS]

00:11:38   movie had a light touch which I [TS]

00:11:39   appreciated but they weren't going to [TS]

00:11:41   tell that the events that took place uh [TS]

00:11:45   and very often were like oh I've seen it [TS]

00:11:47   seen like this in 55 movies but they [TS]

00:11:50   weren't shown the way they're normally [TS]

00:11:53   shown and the things they would you [TS]

00:11:54   would expect them to do well on there [TS]

00:11:56   like actually that's not what we really [TS]

00:11:58   care about this movie I mean the whole [TS]

00:11:59   the opening of the movies is a great [TS]

00:12:01   tell because it doesn't open with you [TS]

00:12:03   know [TS]

00:12:03   ominous throwing and pictures of space [TS]

00:12:06   and aliens like it'sit's a human story [TS]

00:12:09   starts with it with the our main [TS]

00:12:11   character narrating and it's about her [TS]

00:12:13   for the entire movie essentially and she [TS]

00:12:15   she tells a story and it like it starts [TS]

00:12:18   the same way you can imagine like a [TS]

00:12:20   family drama starting or something you [TS]

00:12:23   know what I mean like that and that [TS]

00:12:24   that's how the movie plays throughout [TS]

00:12:26   and it's almost almost incidental that [TS]

00:12:28   there's this alien syfy angle to it [TS]

00:12:30   really is a character-driven story and [TS]

00:12:32   you know except this is I would love to [TS]

00:12:34   see more movies like this because i [TS]

00:12:35   think this is a great combination of you [TS]

00:12:38   know serious character-driven story with [TS]

00:12:41   a sci-fi setting thrown in shot in an [TS]

00:12:44   interesting way [TS]

00:12:45   so before we before we dive into [TS]

00:12:47   spoilers are a couple of the topics that [TS]

00:12:48   I wanted to at least mention that i [TS]

00:12:49   think are our kind of free of the plot [TS]

00:12:51   of this movie and it's this this movie [TS]

00:12:53   has some plot i don't know if i want to [TS]

00:12:56   say twist but it has some surprises [TS]

00:12:57   throughout that I think it's better I [TS]

00:13:01   think aliens suggestion that we use the [TS]

00:13:03   spoiler horn is is is a good one [TS]

00:13:05   although it one of the things i will say [TS]

00:13:06   now is it [TS]

00:13:08   I don't feel like this is a puzzle box [TS]

00:13:09   movie where the goal is to solve the [TS]

00:13:11   puzzle or be surprised by the puzzle i [TS]

00:13:13   think it's in it enjoyable story all the [TS]

00:13:16   way through even though there are [TS]

00:13:17   surprises as it goes but i really wanted [TS]

00:13:20   to bring up i want to bring up the eye [TS]

00:13:22   can see direction i could say [TS]

00:13:24   cinematography it this i think this [TS]

00:13:27   movie looks really good and then also [TS]

00:13:30   the muse [TS]

00:13:30   sick it sounds really good just on those [TS]

00:13:33   levels i think the pacing of it the way [TS]

00:13:36   it's shot especially a lot of this takes [TS]

00:13:38   place out in the field [TS]

00:13:40   I mean there's like there's a there's a [TS]

00:13:41   house on a lake and there's a which is [TS]

00:13:44   beautiful but there's this field in [TS]

00:13:45   Montana or Wyoming or wherever they're [TS]

00:13:47   out out and on the plains there's this [TS]

00:13:49   field with a big spaceship hovering over [TS]

00:13:53   it sort of and it's just slow camera [TS]

00:13:57   movements and beautiful beautifully shot [TS]

00:14:00   and I just think it's a [TS]

00:14:02   beautiful-looking movie and a very [TS]

00:14:03   restrained movie and I talking about [TS]

00:14:08   john-john saying i wanna i wanna have [TS]

00:14:10   more movies like this there are so many [TS]

00:14:13   especially genre movies that are not [TS]

00:14:15   restrained and this is a very restrained [TS]

00:14:17   movie you can see the sort of discipline [TS]

00:14:20   we're going to take our time we're going [TS]

00:14:22   to move slow [TS]

00:14:23   we're not going to push this too fast [TS]

00:14:25   and I really like really liked all of [TS]

00:14:27   that in the look and the feel of it i'm [TS]

00:14:29   so glad you said to restring these I was [TS]

00:14:30   thinking restraint was the thing is it's [TS]

00:14:32   quiet in spots they have their time the [TS]

00:14:35   alien ships are not fancy [TS]

00:14:36   we don't know anything about how they [TS]

00:14:38   work really it's not important [TS]

00:14:40   it reminds me of some 1960 sci-fi films [TS]

00:14:43   are some really elaborate stuff in the [TS]

00:14:44   sixties it goes way over the top of [TS]

00:14:46   course but then there's a few quieter [TS]

00:14:48   films that are very spare and restrained [TS]

00:14:51   some avant-garde movies that aren't even [TS]

00:14:52   sci-fi but they're slightly magical [TS]

00:14:54   realistic where things happen unfold in [TS]

00:14:57   a way that doesn't seem entirely linear [TS]

00:14:59   I was thinking particularly of the [TS]

00:15:01   original solaris which is more active [TS]

00:15:03   and has more kind of a sci-fi vibe to it [TS]

00:15:06   and this film does in this bill has [TS]

00:15:08   aliens in it but it has moments in [TS]

00:15:10   solaris there's just this kind of [TS]

00:15:11   repetitive thing or quietness or someone [TS]

00:15:14   staring and it has more power because [TS]

00:15:16   it's not genetic it's wonderful and I [TS]

00:15:19   want to try some similarities i guess to [TS]

00:15:21   contact if people are you know thinking [TS]

00:15:23   about ya dip it was much more [TS]

00:15:26   conventional this so much more democracy [TS]

00:15:28   yeah but it's it's still the kind of [TS]

00:15:33   story they're trying to tell about a [TS]

00:15:34   person and their interaction with [TS]

00:15:36   something beyond it's not it's not as a [TS]

00:15:40   space opera ask it took it so seriously [TS]

00:15:44   serious on by i mean i think they [TS]

00:15:46   diverge widely at in terms of how much [TS]

00:15:49   they care about character versus how [TS]

00:15:50   much they care about the science but [TS]

00:15:52   both of them i would file as serious [TS]

00:15:55   sci-fi movies made essentially for [TS]

00:15:58   adults and it's just that I I you know I [TS]

00:16:01   everyone contact is so much more [TS]

00:16:02   conventional in terms of just how [TS]

00:16:05   everything is shot how everything is lit [TS]

00:16:08   the the events to take place the music [TS]

00:16:11   everything about it this is arrivals [TS]

00:16:13   almost more like an arthouse movie [TS]

00:16:16   compared to contact [TS]

00:16:17   yeah but they they are in terms of most [TS]

00:16:20   what movie is this movie's most like I [TS]

00:16:23   that's probably what I would say is [TS]

00:16:25   contact and the only other alternative I [TS]

00:16:28   could I could come up with is probably a [TS]

00:16:30   christopher nolan movie like memento or [TS]

00:16:34   the prestige which are which are very [TS]

00:16:36   different movies and yet there's [TS]

00:16:37   something about the vibe of this that [TS]

00:16:39   reminded me of some of those the non bad [TS]

00:16:41   man Christopher Nolan movies uh I don't [TS]

00:16:44   know that those the best ones that I [TS]

00:16:46   could come up with but I think contact [TS]

00:16:47   is probably the the most comparable ha [TS]

00:16:49   whoo yeah not not in terms of execution [TS]

00:16:52   of no no ya didn't watch solaris good i [TS]

00:16:55   think that was a good comparison the [TS]

00:16:57   original solaris no it's just I yeah I [TS]

00:16:59   find it i find that kind of beautiful [TS]

00:17:00   and and gentlemen a lot of ways that you [TS]

00:17:02   know so many movies assault us and it's [TS]

00:17:04   nice to feel like again this is a like [TS]

00:17:07   that i think that's what John is getting [TS]

00:17:09   out this is this is a sci-fi movie for [TS]

00:17:10   adults like it is it is defiantly for [TS]

00:17:13   adults it's not for bring the whole [TS]

00:17:15   family and I think even though you can I [TS]

00:17:17   mean there's not many other than some [TS]

00:17:19   language you it's fine i just think kids [TS]

00:17:20   will be kinda bored and I think [TS]

00:17:21   teenagers will probably be bored bored [TS]

00:17:23   by 2 because it's not like single and [TS]

00:17:25   make it an older kid can get wrapped up [TS]

00:17:27   in it because it's one of those movies [TS]

00:17:28   where like it's slow but if you get [TS]

00:17:30   caught up in it that slowness that's [TS]

00:17:32   tension that's like you're looking at [TS]

00:17:34   every you have enough times there like [TS]

00:17:36   the little rough texture on the edge of [TS]

00:17:37   the little tunnel going up into the ship [TS]

00:17:39   you haven't had time to think about [TS]

00:17:40   these things and to dwell on them and [TS]

00:17:42   and to look at the mist covering the [TS]

00:17:44   field and like I feel like kind of like [TS]

00:17:46   I said like jaws but kind of like it a [TS]

00:17:48   lot of the older movies from decades [TS]

00:17:51   past where they were slow paced and they [TS]

00:17:53   don't grab you it's just like a boring [TS]

00:17:54   movie but they do grab you that slow [TS]

00:17:56   pace is like you just feel like you're [TS]

00:17:57   being pulled along by string through the [TS]

00:17:58   whole movie you just you just can't wait [TS]

00:18:00   to see it unfold [TS]

00:18:01   I've got another comp by the way I'm [TS]

00:18:03   gonna throw in here the slowness and [TS]

00:18:04   restrain this actually reminded me of [TS]

00:18:06   unbreakable a little bit which is a [TS]

00:18:07   movie i love oh yeah there's this [TS]

00:18:09   definitely Shyamalan anything here [TS]

00:18:11   yeah i'm yeah looks good the good kind [TS]

00:18:13   of a good point [TS]

00:18:14   not the kind where there's an elevator [TS]

00:18:15   that's the devil but I you said you [TS]

00:18:17   didn't think this was a puzzle box movie [TS]

00:18:19   and I agree it's not you're not trying [TS]

00:18:20   to like figure it out but I feel like to [TS]

00:18:23   the turn in this movie I wouldn't call [TS]

00:18:24   the twist that were called the turn [TS]

00:18:25   yeah the turn in this movie because i [TS]

00:18:27   didn't know anything about the short [TS]

00:18:28   story i really appreciate it because i [TS]

00:18:30   felt like it kind of like blossomed as I [TS]

00:18:34   realize what they were doing right in a [TS]

00:18:36   pleasant way I in a way that made me [TS]

00:18:40   appreciate that you think that was the [TS]

00:18:41   high point of the movie for me when I [TS]

00:18:43   when I realized what they were doing [TS]

00:18:44   like are you know around the turn part [TS]

00:18:46   kind of want a little bit downhill after [TS]

00:18:48   that [TS]

00:18:48   but when I realized what they were doing [TS]

00:18:50   timeline wise kind of like another thing [TS]

00:18:52   that that's another piece of media that [TS]

00:18:55   we won't talk about because we want to [TS]

00:18:56   spoil that and this particular podcast I [TS]

00:19:00   I appreciate that unlike a big smile [TS]

00:19:02   came across my face and like very well [TS]

00:19:05   done because I need you know just [TS]

00:19:06   ripples backwards and you realize with [TS]

00:19:08   the hoping of the movie and what they [TS]

00:19:09   were getting at was like good job i felt [TS]

00:19:12   like giving them a little bit of [TS]

00:19:13   applause there and that's a pleasant [TS]

00:19:15   sensation better than the haha didn't [TS]

00:19:17   you know the twist was whatever like it [TS]

00:19:19   was totally even even the twist was [TS]

00:19:21   gentle twist was a turn [TS]

00:19:23   yeah no you're right this does uh the [TS]

00:19:25   film does exactly what the story doesn't [TS]

00:19:27   that's one of the qualities that [TS]

00:19:28   captures which we can talk about more [TS]

00:19:29   for the spoiler but it diffuses what you [TS]

00:19:32   learn sort of backwards and forward in [TS]

00:19:35   time so it actually rebuild in your mind [TS]

00:19:38   what you think you've just read or seen [TS]

00:19:39   and the film did it i want to say almost [TS]

00:19:42   perfectly they had a structured [TS]

00:19:44   differently in the in the story some of [TS]

00:19:46   the stuff comes later they don't shows [TS]

00:19:48   what that he doesn't want to them i [TS]

00:19:49   think give you too much of the [TS]

00:19:50   information but you have to present [TS]

00:19:52   visually you have to keep people in [TS]

00:19:54   because otherwise it would be [TS]

00:19:55   sudden twist and it wouldn't make sense [TS]

00:19:56   so the way they kind of rippled it in [TS]

00:19:58   the film i think was the perfect [TS]

00:20:01   cinematic analog to what the story [TS]

00:20:04   unfolded as alright I am going to now [TS]

00:20:06   play a a transcript of the alien [TS]

00:20:10   language as heard in the movie arrival [TS]

00:20:12   no it's actually it's just the spoiler [TS]

00:20:14   horn but they're similar here it is [TS]

00:20:16   [Music] [TS]

00:20:19   ok whoo boy that you right up oh yeah [TS]

00:20:23   it's it makes a circle with any way you [TS]

00:20:26   see the spoiler horn so i can understand [TS]

00:20:28   what this one's trying to say [TS]

00:20:29   yeah okay all all spoilers have been [TS]

00:20:32   cleared now we can now talk about what [TS]

00:20:35   happened what happens in this movie and [TS]

00:20:38   you know it's the thing knowing having [TS]

00:20:42   read the story the very beginning of the [TS]

00:20:45   movie i actually said this to Lauren [TS]

00:20:47   when we were walking out to the car at [TS]

00:20:48   the end i said it's there in the first [TS]

00:20:51   line like the first line of the movie is [TS]

00:20:53   I used to think that your story began [TS]

00:20:55   here but now I'm not so sure [TS]

00:20:57   right so it sits there from the [TS]

00:21:00   beginning and what a move [TS]

00:21:02   I mean I guess up like maybe up to come [TS]

00:21:05   to hear want to move to have the first [TS]

00:21:08   part of this movie it's okay we're gonna [TS]

00:21:10   go see a movie about aliens and it's no [TS]

00:21:12   it's actually about a mother caring for [TS]

00:21:13   her dying child and then the child dies [TS]

00:21:15   Wow okay that's that's where we start I [TS]

00:21:18   was bawling to my friend of mine said [TS]

00:21:20   she'd said I cried heavily three times [TS]

00:21:22   during the film I was crying two minutes [TS]

00:21:24   and I was like oh they already just [TS]

00:21:26   totally got their hooks in me I was [TS]

00:21:28   crying during the during the trailers [TS]

00:21:29   plan to discover bad those movies aren't [TS]

00:21:33   that bad oh you know it is it is well [TS]

00:21:36   because what it sets it as the tone of [TS]

00:21:38   the movie is you're watching a story of [TS]

00:21:41   a woman who is trying to piece her life [TS]

00:21:43   back together after a horrible tragedy [TS]

00:21:45   which is not what the movie is that [TS]

00:21:48   you're actually watching and it's it's [TS]

00:21:51   interesting to me because there are a [TS]

00:21:53   lot of and I don't know parallels isn't [TS]

00:21:56   exactly the right word but there are [TS]

00:21:57   things that i can very deeply relate to [TS]

00:21:59   you i have several several sets of [TS]

00:22:02   friends who have actually lost their [TS]

00:22:03   daughters to childhood cancer and and i [TS]

00:22:06   have been there and supported them [TS]

00:22:08   through that and and I have been there [TS]

00:22:10   in the aftermath of that and watching [TS]

00:22:12   them do that work and so I was like oh [TS]

00:22:15   wow ok and i also teach college classes [TS]

00:22:21   and somehow watching her go to school [TS]

00:22:24   and like having this this level of [TS]

00:22:26   empathy for her is she's like I think [TS]

00:22:29   you know we're trying trying to teach [TS]

00:22:31   students and move on with her life [TS]

00:22:33   and you know go home and talk with her [TS]

00:22:36   mom and like all of the stuff I'm like [TS]

00:22:37   you know how how does like feel after [TS]

00:22:41   that you know from from her perspective [TS]

00:22:43   and so I was like I can't imagine [TS]

00:22:45   teaching class you know after my [TS]

00:22:47   daughter died and and in keeping it [TS]

00:22:49   together and in teaching about languages [TS]

00:22:51   and and how do you find your purpose in [TS]

00:22:54   that and you know like all of those [TS]

00:22:55   things so it was like immediately I was [TS]

00:22:58   like oh wow this is right in the feels [TS]

00:23:00   right in the feels right off the bat i [TS]

00:23:03   also thought about but I was also [TS]

00:23:04   thinking during that whole section where [TS]

00:23:06   is the other parent for this child and [TS]

00:23:08   it was like a first-time light is just [TS]

00:23:10   bad movie making where they didn't cast [TS]

00:23:12   that part it's not important and then [TS]

00:23:14   like well no this is just more part of [TS]

00:23:15   her very tragic story that she's been [TS]

00:23:17   raising this girl alone and she asked to [TS]

00:23:19   help this girl died alone like that you [TS]

00:23:21   know that that's part of the tragedy [TS]

00:23:22   evidence that and and I like the fact [TS]

00:23:24   that my my questions and puzzling about [TS]

00:23:27   that were nicely then logically answered [TS]

00:23:31   later in the movie you know after the [TS]

00:23:32   turn their addressed in the middle [TS]

00:23:34   because at one point there's that scene [TS]

00:23:36   where she's helping her daughter do her [TS]

00:23:38   homework and says I just didn't like [TS]

00:23:40   father it was science ask your father [TS]

00:23:43   yeah that's not like he's out of the [TS]

00:23:44   picture like yeah you know that you know [TS]

00:23:46   that they split so hard that he's just [TS]

00:23:49   didn't want to have anything to do with [TS]

00:23:50   the daughter anymore or you know like [TS]

00:23:53   yeah any day that that's that's that I [TS]

00:23:56   where I consider the turn to have [TS]

00:23:58   happened is probably way before the [TS]

00:24:00   movie thinks it's revealing it because [TS]

00:24:02   they did leave lots of clues right so i [TS]

00:24:04   probably the pieces like right yeah [TS]

00:24:05   exactly [TS]

00:24:07   you know I mean and also law of [TS]

00:24:08   conservation of characters and so on and [TS]

00:24:10   so forth but I it doesn't matter where [TS]

00:24:12   it occurs i think it was it was it was [TS]

00:24:13   nice it was this is a sturdily [TS]

00:24:15   constructed turn [TS]

00:24:17   yeah that no matter where you get it is [TS]

00:24:19   satisfying and and yea and all and it [TS]

00:24:23   really helps that all those scenes work [TS]

00:24:26   both before you know and they work after [TS]

00:24:28   and it's not like they only work after [TS]

00:24:31   or they may you know like it's just it's [TS]

00:24:33   just good movie making you know i won't [TS]

00:24:35   ask folks we have read the story I [TS]

00:24:37   didn't even understand this alien until [TS]

00:24:38   you just said it is one of the first [TS]

00:24:40   things came up I was so wrapped up and [TS]

00:24:42   seeing the story i love on screen and I [TS]

00:24:43   was a niners to the time sequence [TS]

00:24:45   because I dread it [TS]

00:24:46   so the daughter we see her you know [TS]

00:24:47   dying and then the mothers it's good no [TS]

00:24:50   Louise is teaching I never thought about [TS]

00:24:52   that as the emotional reaction of her [TS]

00:24:54   daughter just died like the [TS]

00:24:55   chronological sequence and she's back [TS]

00:24:58   teaching and this is why she looks sort [TS]

00:24:59   of morose because I knew the order of [TS]

00:25:01   things happening it never struck me [TS]

00:25:03   until you decide and straight until you [TS]

00:25:04   just said that [TS]

00:25:05   yeah I met and how douchey process the [TS]

00:25:07   arrival of aliens it's like you're all [TS]

00:25:09   your thinking when you watch that scene [TS]

00:25:10   it's all about that she's coping with [TS]

00:25:13   this loss [TS]

00:25:13   he's not actually what you're saying [TS]

00:25:14   yeah because it's very traditionally it [TS]

00:25:17   in terms of the mechanics of traditional [TS]

00:25:19   movie making these would-be flashbacks [TS]

00:25:21   because we haven't seen the movie yet so [TS]

00:25:23   I that not only makes logical sense if [TS]

00:25:27   you if you're not familiar with the [TS]

00:25:28   story I and one of the other interesting [TS]

00:25:30   things that they didn't use a flash [TS]

00:25:33   forward flashbacks is that they she [TS]

00:25:36   looks exactly the same [TS]

00:25:38   they didn't do any aging makeup or the [TS]

00:25:41   other touch-up work or anything [TS]

00:25:43   she always looks like amy adams of the [TS]

00:25:46   present throughout the entire film [TS]

00:25:48   whenever she's in one of these altered [TS]

00:25:49   time states and i think at first I [TS]

00:25:53   wasn't sure why they chose to do that [TS]

00:25:55   but then after you find out what the [TS]

00:25:57   twist is it's like oh because if you saw [TS]

00:25:58   an old Amy Adams with her child has been [TS]

00:26:02   alive for 20-something years then it [TS]

00:26:04   isn't was willing to accept it in the [TS]

00:26:06   movie it made it seem like she was [TS]

00:26:07   entertained but I don't they probably [TS]

00:26:08   were careful with it that's the one part [TS]

00:26:10   of this movie that probably doesn't read [TS]

00:26:12   the same in both directions only because [TS]

00:26:14   they're trying to not give anything away [TS]

00:26:17   they're subtle but I had that same [TS]

00:26:19   ecology age as well I mean I probably [TS]

00:26:21   just put on less makeup and hit her [TS]

00:26:22   crow's feet less well and maybe did a [TS]

00:26:24   little touch-up on the hair but honestly [TS]

00:26:26   you know various not as if you're going [TS]

00:26:27   to change to a wrinkled old hag and 15 [TS]

00:26:30   years especially if you you know that I [TS]

00:26:33   the only thing that the thing that [TS]

00:26:35   struck me about this both isn't it's not [TS]

00:26:37   a timeline question is the story of how [TS]

00:26:39   she comes from a family that makes your [TS]

00:26:42   independently wealthy because there's no [TS]

00:26:43   way and a professor salary that you can [TS]

00:26:45   have the house in the lac all by herself [TS]

00:26:47   there's a lot of those fantasy movie as [TS]

00:26:49   it was a beautiful house apparently the [TS]

00:26:51   house when they when they went into the [TS]

00:26:53   home and [TS]

00:26:54   and Ryan you know what the hell of a [TS]

00:26:56   place it isn't that the show is in case [TS]

00:26:58   shot and came back I thought it was out [TS]

00:27:00   here actually yeah it's like it's [TS]

00:27:02   exactly like washing it looks like [TS]

00:27:03   Washington I had that same thought I [TS]

00:27:05   just assumed that she was in seattle and [TS]

00:27:06   that was exhausted and open and since [TS]

00:27:09   since the author is from seattle right [TS]

00:27:11   doesn't change that from seeing exactly [TS]

00:27:13   that is why do I assume that that's that [TS]

00:27:14   was at least an homage to that if [TS]

00:27:16   nothing else I think so I mean I think [TS]

00:27:17   they set up the community in the college [TS]

00:27:19   that she teaches at a community college [TS]

00:27:21   what has that feeling of like a 1960s [TS]

00:27:23   built Community College just the brick [TS]

00:27:26   and whatever so lean this is the time [TS]

00:27:28   where we should talk since since makeup [TS]

00:27:30   and Amy Adams came up we should talk [TS]

00:27:31   about this and it's something and like i [TS]

00:27:33   said in the review that i read to which [TS]

00:27:35   is Amy Adams look this is a movie Amy [TS]

00:27:37   Adams is made up in this movie but she's [TS]

00:27:40   not made up to be like glamorous [TS]

00:27:44   glamorous yeah she's made up to be like [TS]

00:27:46   a person living their life and that is [TS]

00:27:50   not usually what happens when women are [TS]

00:27:54   in movies [TS]

00:27:55   yeah yeah and and I think as I said at [TS]

00:27:59   the beginning I think that's part of why [TS]

00:28:00   i love this movie so much as it's [TS]

00:28:02   because and I mean there are a lot of [TS]

00:28:05   ways that can relate to her but one of [TS]

00:28:07   them is a I don't wear makeup everyday [TS]

00:28:10   and some days I don't even brush my hair [TS]

00:28:12   I work from home so and often work from [TS]

00:28:15   home so you know it in there were times [TS]

00:28:18   when it it looked like she had gone [TS]

00:28:21   directly from her cot on site to the [TS]

00:28:25   computer to you know they're the better [TS]

00:28:28   no blueprints of of the language or [TS]

00:28:30   whatever and and I loved that because at [TS]

00:28:33   no point was she [TS]

00:28:36   well okay one point she was an address [TS]

00:28:38   to the nines with every hair in place [TS]

00:28:39   right but the rest of the time she just [TS]

00:28:41   looked normal and that's not something I [TS]

00:28:44   get in movies you know we get hair is [TS]

00:28:47   precisely in place and perfect you know [TS]

00:28:50   whatever winged eyeliner i don't even [TS]

00:28:52   really know what that means if you have [TS]

00:28:54   things like that and so it was so [TS]

00:28:57   refreshing to see someone look real to [TS]

00:29:01   see a woman look real in a movie and not [TS]

00:29:04   only that she looked real and she was [TS]

00:29:07   respected [TS]

00:29:08   yeah and not only was she respected she [TS]

00:29:11   turned them away like she did not bow to [TS]

00:29:14   the government you know too that was [TS]

00:29:16   what does this rank colonel-general [TS]

00:29:17   whatever he was her and all she did he [TS]

00:29:20   she was like okay walk away I'm better [TS]

00:29:23   you ask him this question you come back [TS]

00:29:24   to me you will come back to me in and [TS]

00:29:27   she was just honest you're strong and [TS]

00:29:29   amazing and respected and real [TS]

00:29:32   throughout the movie in a way that I [TS]

00:29:33   don't know that I've ever seen [TS]

00:29:37   can I ask you about there's a scene [TS]

00:29:38   early on that I thought set the tone too [TS]

00:29:40   is when they go into 10 and ian is [TS]

00:29:42   introduced and she is not reduced unlike [TS]

00:29:45   the colonel is doing that typical thing [TS]

00:29:46   of these disrespecting woman that's not [TS]

00:29:48   gonna be a plot point that he takes her [TS]

00:29:50   to the other tenses she this is your [TS]

00:29:51   team you're in charge and I went oh my [TS]

00:29:53   god this is not what I was expecting [TS]

00:29:56   I don't remember it wasn't set up in the [TS]

00:29:57   story she is part of a party man charged [TS]

00:29:59   but just the casual business casual miss [TS]

00:30:02   of military leader like doing what was [TS]

00:30:04   directed here in this is the team your [TS]

00:30:06   part of boom [TS]

00:30:07   Louise this your team these people [TS]

00:30:09   working for you I had that moment she [TS]

00:30:11   was like oh he's gonna say something [TS]

00:30:13   weird to her and I'm gonna get mad and i [TS]

00:30:16   did not i was i was world and I superly [TS]

00:30:19   she just she did whatever the F she [TS]

00:30:21   wanted [TS]

00:30:22   I think she you know she saw the [TS]

00:30:24   whiteboard she took the whiteboard in [TS]

00:30:25   and was like this this is what I'm doing [TS]

00:30:27   she and going to check off the hazmat [TS]

00:30:30   suit in the caverns that she could [TS]

00:30:33   communicate better without you no [TS]

00:30:35   permission without vetting it with [TS]

00:30:36   anybody she just did it and I i don't [TS]

00:30:40   know i really love to seeing all of that [TS]

00:30:42   it just and in a way that I can't really [TS]

00:30:46   Express only to say that you know this [TS]

00:30:50   is this is why representation in media [TS]

00:30:52   matters why women need to see ourselves [TS]

00:30:55   depicted why people of color need to see [TS]

00:30:58   themselves in amazing roles so I've got [TS]

00:31:00   two notes one is um I like as the movie [TS]

00:31:03   progresses the the San Francisco [TS]

00:31:05   Chronicle review by Peter Hartlaub said [TS]

00:31:07   it literally looks like amy adams and [TS]

00:31:10   jeremy renner just kinda like kept [TS]

00:31:13   shooting and sleeping in their clothes [TS]

00:31:15   and shoot and really it feels like [TS]

00:31:18   they're there it you know so many movies [TS]

00:31:21   can make it was like yeah I [TS]

00:31:22   know that they're actually out there [TS]

00:31:23   working around the clock and they've [TS]

00:31:25   been there for weeks but there they [TS]

00:31:26   totally got it together and they look [TS]

00:31:28   beautiful and fashionable it's like nope [TS]

00:31:29   they they look like they got thrown on a [TS]

00:31:32   helicopter and put out in the middle of [TS]

00:31:34   nowhere and are getting no sleep and [TS]

00:31:37   they're trying to figure this out and it [TS]

00:31:38   really works for the the idea that [TS]

00:31:40   they're trying to work this problem and [TS]

00:31:41   figure this out but they do look like [TS]

00:31:43   they've been sleeping in their clothes [TS]

00:31:45   and it's and it's good and it's [TS]

00:31:46   effective and the other thing i want to [TS]

00:31:48   say talk about forest whitaker for a [TS]

00:31:50   second is the colonel i really like [TS]

00:31:52   forest whitaker I mean force which is [TS]

00:31:53   great but in this movie I really like [TS]

00:31:55   him because it's very clear that his job [TS]

00:31:58   is to be a conduit and he's not like we [TS]

00:32:01   see in so many movies this like totally [TS]

00:32:03   bullheaded military man who's gonna [TS]

00:32:06   who's gonna say all you scientists you [TS]

00:32:08   don't even know he he's very much like [TS]

00:32:10   you need to explain it to me so that I [TS]

00:32:12   can explain it to them because the the [TS]

00:32:15   people I'm talking to don't hear you and [TS]

00:32:18   I need to let you know i need to make [TS]

00:32:21   this all work and that's his job is to [TS]

00:32:23   be that conduit and he doesn't he pushes [TS]

00:32:25   back on them but when he does it's for [TS]

00:32:27   good reason and it generally is because [TS]

00:32:30   he knows the politics up the chain and I [TS]

00:32:32   really liked that felt like a much more [TS]

00:32:34   realistic performance of a and a [TS]

00:32:38   character in a role in this in this [TS]

00:32:40   story and and you know forest whitaker [TS]

00:32:42   did it really well and more importantly [TS]

00:32:43   to Louise's whole story of her being [TS]

00:32:46   plopped down in there whatever she comes [TS]

00:32:47   in and you know she doesn't think she [TS]

00:32:49   tries to be assertive with the deal [TS]

00:32:51   being made for her and her competitor [TS]

00:32:53   linguist or whatever everyone to [TS]

00:32:56   eventually goes there she is you know [TS]

00:32:58   nervous about what its gonna be like and [TS]

00:33:00   she tries to assert herself but forest [TS]

00:33:03   whitaker makes it clear that there are [TS]

00:33:04   opposing forces here and so it's not [TS]

00:33:06   like she comes in is just all of a [TS]

00:33:08   sudden in charge of everybody and is you [TS]

00:33:10   know it is it is a it is a nice balance [TS]

00:33:12   like it's not as if the world lays down [TS]

00:33:14   before her and merely because she is a [TS]

00:33:16   sort of everything goes your way [TS]

00:33:17   immediately there are challenges there [TS]

00:33:19   are there other powers and charges she [TS]

00:33:22   asked to deal with she has to be [TS]

00:33:24   convincing to them she gets pushed back [TS]

00:33:26   she doesn't get everything that she [TS]

00:33:28   wants immediately it is a much more [TS]

00:33:29   reasonable example of multiple people [TS]

00:33:35   all trying to do that [TS]

00:33:36   right thing with strong personalities [TS]

00:33:37   and skills coming to an agreement and i [TS]

00:33:40   would say like both this and with the [TS]

00:33:43   women who are constantly in Regulus [TS]

00:33:45   makeup sci-fi does both of these things [TS]

00:33:48   better than many other genres because [TS]

00:33:49   very often it involves multiple smart [TS]

00:33:53   people trying to do the right thing [TS]

00:33:54   working towards a common goal which is a [TS]

00:33:56   nice thing to see you don't see a lot of [TS]

00:33:57   other movies where they have to have [TS]

00:33:59   like a villain all the time and not [TS]

00:34:02   there are a lot of them but if of all [TS]

00:34:04   the genres that are well-known sci-fi is [TS]

00:34:06   more likely to it than others to have a [TS]

00:34:11   woman character who is not there [TS]

00:34:13   constantly made up all the time anyway [TS]

00:34:15   there's not many examples but like that [TS]

00:34:17   but I was trying to think of other [TS]

00:34:18   characters that are like this [TS]

00:34:20   women who are allowed to do a job and [TS]

00:34:21   not constantly be glamorous women who [TS]

00:34:22   are allowed to look damp and sweaty [TS]

00:34:25   because they're there in a hot spaceship [TS]

00:34:27   or they're on the the the fog ridden [TS]

00:34:29   plains of Montana or whatever you've got [TS]

00:34:32   ripley in the alien movies you've got a [TS]

00:34:35   series of you know female marines and [TS]

00:34:37   various future scenarios where it's not [TS]

00:34:40   all about the glamour that's basically [TS]

00:34:41   the only time they'll actresses to [TS]

00:34:43   appear not you know that not look like [TS]

00:34:46   they'd spent two hours in hair and [TS]

00:34:48   makeup before they arrived and we go [TS]

00:34:50   back to Jodie Foster in contact right [TS]

00:34:52   right i mean she's got a ponytail right [TS]

00:34:54   and she's running around and she's [TS]

00:34:56   sleeping in our clothes and I I you know [TS]

00:34:58   she's obviously I'm probably more made [TS]

00:35:00   up the name e adams in this but i still [TS]

00:35:02   think like you know it in these movies [TS]

00:35:04   they still have a scene where the bank [TS]

00:35:06   jodie foster gets get dressed up in the [TS]

00:35:09   fancy dress for her one seen this one [TS]

00:35:10   has the yeah meeting with the ambassador [TS]

00:35:12   and there but fine like you you give [TS]

00:35:14   them that but the rest of the time the [TS]

00:35:16   because of the because of the settings [TS]

00:35:18   like if you're going to have really [TS]

00:35:19   running around the spaceship and she's [TS]

00:35:22   not going to be wearing like you know [TS]

00:35:25   Princess Leia outfit the whole time [TS]

00:35:26   she's not she's not a princess she [TS]

00:35:27   started working on the ship the ship is [TS]

00:35:29   gross and it's filled with you know [TS]

00:35:31   temperature fluctuations and and [TS]

00:35:34   moisture and aliens the drip things on [TS]

00:35:35   you and you know she's allowed to look [TS]

00:35:37   like that for the whole movie and it's [TS]

00:35:38   fine [TS]

00:35:39   one of the moments where I really like [TS]

00:35:41   for Amy Adams is when she [TS]

00:35:43   is explaining the question that the [TS]

00:35:47   general would like to start the colonel [TS]

00:35:49   would like them to ask what they would [TS]

00:35:50   like to get to anyone he doesn't feel [TS]

00:35:52   like they're moving fast enough and she [TS]

00:35:53   breaks it down in a really amazing way [TS]

00:35:58   that died sex all the complexity of of [TS]

00:36:02   the problem that is in front of them a [TS]

00:36:05   takes up to something that looks so easy [TS]

00:36:07   and presents you with every facet of of [TS]

00:36:11   difficulty in communicating with these [TS]

00:36:13   beings who have just started to refer to [TS]

00:36:15   in terms of names so it's quite nice and [TS]

00:36:20   it really it you reinforces her [TS]

00:36:23   particular strengths in a way that none [TS]

00:36:28   of the other characters in the film are [TS]

00:36:31   able to provide even the scientists [TS]

00:36:33   doesn't let me know Jeremy Renner [TS]

00:36:34   doesn't understand really much of [TS]

00:36:36   anything about communicating with the [TS]

00:36:38   aliens he's what was your life like the [TS]

00:36:40   piece like the bimbo in this movie I was [TS]

00:36:42   jeremy renner there is just therefore i [TS]

00:36:44   can do to help those who help us to be [TS]

00:36:45   the science guy but he was so little [TS]

00:36:48   help with the science so happy but they [TS]

00:36:50   have a baby so you need a guy and really [TS]

00:36:54   I'm not really had it especially [TS]

00:36:55   interesting role reversal were nothing [TS]

00:36:57   like the woman would be there just to be [TS]

00:36:58   like every once in awhile say somethin [TS]

00:37:00   to show ya no I'm really a science [TS]

00:37:01   person but you know he was supposed to [TS]

00:37:03   be on top in case they know they shoot a [TS]

00:37:05   bunch of physics in the story there's [TS]

00:37:07   there's a there's more of that they're [TS]

00:37:09   not a team like that they just work you [TS]

00:37:11   know it's a it's set up separately but i [TS]

00:37:13   think they carried over that feeling [TS]

00:37:15   into the movie without any of the actual [TS]

00:37:16   like any other teaching us some physics [TS]

00:37:18   as we go but we can't figure out how to [TS]

00:37:20   talk about physics because their [TS]

00:37:21   conception of physics is a totally [TS]

00:37:23   different thing than ours and he owned [TS]

00:37:25   the only thing you have the movies he [TS]

00:37:26   had the he got the one in twelve [TS]

00:37:28   pointing at the they put all the symbols [TS]

00:37:29   up and he figured out the 112 fraction [TS]

00:37:31   and that's essentially isn't his entire [TS]

00:37:33   contribution he wasn't even particularly [TS]

00:37:35   supportive of anybody just kind of came [TS]

00:37:38   in and it's like sitting back and [TS]

00:37:39   watching I mean he's a supporting [TS]

00:37:40   character it's fine but it is an [TS]

00:37:42   interesting reversal where normally the [TS]

00:37:44   token woman would be the one who's there [TS]

00:37:46   who has the supposed job and is allowed [TS]

00:37:48   to demonstrate your skill for some [TS]

00:37:49   simple thing but one could argue this is [TS]

00:37:52   within the structure of the film the [TS]

00:37:53   reason is there is because he was there [TS]

00:37:55   yeah not [TS]

00:37:56   because you know you're the only had to [TS]

00:37:57   be there because you had to be there so [TS]

00:37:58   they could fall in love at the trial [TS]

00:38:00   that's just what I'm gonna have to do [TS]

00:38:01   have important conversations like it i [TS]

00:38:02   think that the most important role is [TS]

00:38:04   like aside from the romantic thing is [TS]

00:38:06   the bloody angle the two of them kind of [TS]

00:38:09   come into this together [TS]

00:38:10   yeah are kind of in over their heads [TS]

00:38:12   together like a one of the more [TS]

00:38:14   important scenes I feel like it as the [TS]

00:38:16   turn was revealing itself was sitting [TS]

00:38:18   out there just like away from the camp [TS]

00:38:19   for a little bit and just talking and [TS]

00:38:22   and you know talking / mild flirting [TS]

00:38:25   colored by the weird situation saying [TS]

00:38:28   like you know boy it must be handy to be [TS]

00:38:30   an expert in communication with inches [TS]

00:38:32   believe me you can end up alone even if [TS]

00:38:34   you're an expert in which works in both [TS]

00:38:36   directions because you're like oh yeah [TS]

00:38:38   no she's alone because whatever whoever [TS]

00:38:40   scientist has been frightening [TS]

00:38:42   oversizing her husband signs at this [TS]

00:38:43   point you wherever husband wasn't there [TS]

00:38:45   when her daughter died earlier in the [TS]

00:38:46   movie so boy she must be said but you [TS]

00:38:50   know as we learned later she's also long [TS]

00:38:52   before that so that statement works fine [TS]

00:38:54   in both directions and it shows that [TS]

00:38:56   they are you know that they have a [TS]

00:38:57   connection yet so I uh I want to talk [TS]

00:39:00   about the art direction a little bit [TS]

00:39:02   before we talk about some more Pilate [TS]

00:39:04   things and talk about like I know I [TS]

00:39:07   mentioned some of this before the [TS]

00:39:07   spoiler horn but like I like the weird [TS]

00:39:11   texture of the spaceship [TS]

00:39:13   I like the weird entryway into the [TS]

00:39:15   spaceship that's an example where how do [TS]

00:39:17   you take a 70-page story and you make it [TS]

00:39:18   into a movie [TS]

00:39:19   well one thing is you go through instead [TS]

00:39:22   of into sentences explaining how you get [TS]

00:39:25   into the spaceship you take the time to [TS]

00:39:28   slowly drive out to the spaceship and [TS]

00:39:30   get on the thing that's gonna lift you [TS]

00:39:31   up to the place where the gravity [TS]

00:39:33   changes and now you're going sideways [TS]

00:39:35   and when you look back [TS]

00:39:38   you're looking down and all of that [TS]

00:39:40   right let's yell down the theater don't [TS]

00:39:42   look back don't know there's a moment [TS]

00:39:44   where somebody is a jeremy renner maybe [TS]

00:39:46   he's like totally freaking out [TS]

00:39:48   oh yeah and he looks back after he jumps [TS]

00:39:50   it was like no no don't do that don't do [TS]

00:39:53   that but i really liked it is [TS]

00:39:55   atmospheric and it's one of those things [TS]

00:39:57   where they could've skipped ahead right [TS]

00:39:59   but the first time you go into the [TS]

00:40:01   spaceship you're going in with them and [TS]

00:40:02   it's it's like it's a weird rough like [TS]

00:40:05   out like a lava rock or something and [TS]

00:40:07   they've got they've jury-rigged this [TS]

00:40:09   you know human tech to get you up the [TS]

00:40:12   lifter to get you up and then the [TS]

00:40:13   gravity gets weird and you know I liked [TS]

00:40:16   all of that I thought that was all [TS]

00:40:17   really clever and I enjoyed the fact [TS]

00:40:19   that we took the time to set the mood of [TS]

00:40:21   like entering this alien spaceship [TS]

00:40:24   thingy i will say though I well I agree [TS]

00:40:27   that afterwards I did think you know [TS]

00:40:30   that's not an especially inviting way to [TS]

00:40:33   talk to people [TS]

00:40:35   hey you don't want any made the error [TS]

00:40:37   the right so they could read it so much [TS]

00:40:40   they made the beautiful hallway they [TS]

00:40:41   sculpted it out they get everything the [TS]

00:40:43   right height for humans you want them to [TS]

00:40:44   have a lift to you know you want a [TS]

00:40:46   ladder [TS]

00:40:46   jeez you bring their own sister looks [TS]

00:40:48   like intelligent tests show it's like [TS]

00:40:49   putting your name on the paper at least [TS]

00:40:51   they could do they came light-years to [TS]

00:40:53   get there please do you go to bring a [TS]

00:40:54   scissor lift [TS]

00:40:55   I love the mechanism though because that [TS]

00:40:56   was that thing where you're like as a [TS]

00:40:58   sci-fi nerd you never see real sci-fi in [TS]

00:41:00   enough movies you see stuff that's an [TS]

00:41:03   approximation and simplification and the [TS]

00:41:05   idea that the aliens just obviously have [TS]

00:41:08   control over gravity they've got there [TS]

00:41:09   hovering ships that are hovering in the [TS]

00:41:11   air the way that bricks don't write to [TS]

00:41:13   quote one beside us and and then they [TS]

00:41:15   have the weird opening because it's just [TS]

00:41:16   convenient because they just control [TS]

00:41:18   gravity and the transition where the [TS]

00:41:21   military guys have already mastered its [TS]

00:41:22   they leap out Amy Adams a good job the [TS]

00:41:25   jerky better falls on his face which was [TS]

00:41:27   again a reversal you're like you're [TS]

00:41:28   expecting them to be suave and whatever [TS]

00:41:30   they know he gets the trip but amy adams [TS]

00:41:32   had to be helped i noticed that part I [TS]

00:41:34   was like why why do you gotta help the [TS]

00:41:36   woman and legislative demand i think [TS]

00:41:38   they redeemed it by having him and I [TS]

00:41:39   haven't fallen is exactly like that's [TS]

00:41:41   what it is it shows the unequal [TS]

00:41:43   treatment that is one of the many things [TS]

00:41:45   I don't accept but i think that the idea [TS]

00:41:47   that they have because they control [TS]

00:41:49   gravity this is a logical thing for the [TS]

00:41:50   aliens to do it's the most convenient [TS]

00:41:52   thing for them and then everything is [TS]

00:41:53   sort of like it's you know it's got that [TS]

00:41:55   wonderful texture mind a little [TS]

00:41:56   brutalist architecture the kind of [TS]

00:41:58   doubling of it but they go into a room [TS]

00:42:01   and it's a very playing room it's got a [TS]

00:42:03   big piece of glass in it and there's [TS]

00:42:05   trillions there is and what it wasn't [TS]

00:42:07   hard [TS]

00:42:07   the hard sci-fi part of me was picking [TS]

00:42:10   it knits around this the section about [TS]

00:42:12   the whole idea of like what you get when [TS]

00:42:13   you bring these people into the base you [TS]

00:42:15   really going to bring them on there [TS]

00:42:16   without telling exactly what they're in [TS]

00:42:17   for the yeah they're behind glass like [TS]

00:42:19   they gave you enough hints so that the [TS]

00:42:21   audience kind of new [TS]

00:42:22   what was coming but obviously you would [TS]

00:42:23   you would tell the people hear the [TS]

00:42:25   dialogue was when they're coming in [TS]

00:42:27   there is over top there's a talking [TS]

00:42:28   going on we'll always and came in and [TS]

00:42:30   what the science says you have that we [TS]

00:42:31   at the end of the session the gravity [TS]

00:42:33   changes slid us gently out yeah it's [TS]

00:42:36   just like a little bit of background [TS]

00:42:37   conversation but they're not briefed on [TS]

00:42:39   it apparently i mean like maybe the [TS]

00:42:41   audience wouldn't have to know but [TS]

00:42:42   surely those two people they were tell [TS]

00:42:43   them exactly undergoing instead of them [TS]

00:42:45   being surprised when they throw it like [TS]

00:42:46   the light stick up there and and you [TS]

00:42:48   they've got scientists there wouldn't [TS]

00:42:50   you think like pretty much the only [TS]

00:42:52   thing the scientists would be doing [TS]

00:42:53   would be like how is the ship hovering [TS]

00:42:56   there right get the instruments out now [TS]

00:42:58   like this is the most interesting thing [TS]

00:43:00   that you it's observable is a gigantic [TS]

00:43:02   thing and it's not falling want you to [TS]

00:43:04   get on that kind of that is that's [TS]

00:43:06   another teenager like available just got [TS]

00:43:09   the team intense working on that they're [TS]

00:43:10   a bunch of teams in 10 [TS]

00:43:12   there's a physics guy and he's just not [TS]

00:43:14   like what you got it you know you take [TS]

00:43:16   get some instruments like get some [TS]

00:43:18   measurements like do something going for [TS]

00:43:19   the tricorder and wave it around it [TS]

00:43:20   looks like you're doing something that [TS]

00:43:21   was driving out there with pickup trucks [TS]

00:43:23   and saying well suffice it to say that [TS]

00:43:24   giant thing hovering over us [TS]

00:43:25   let's disregard that the government of [TS]

00:43:27   this whole yeah yeah I can be no the [TS]

00:43:30   thing that made me stop for a moment was [TS]

00:43:32   was the idea that surely they would be [TS]

00:43:35   briefed in detail before they were put [TS]

00:43:39   in hazmat suits and sent into the space [TS]

00:43:42   right about what do they look like [TS]

00:43:43   you'll see you'll see the arm and I [TS]

00:43:44   think there might be some dialogue but [TS]

00:43:46   you know the idea of like there is this [TS]

00:43:48   little bit wishy to start fresh and the [TS]

00:43:50   last guy is that left and we want you to [TS]

00:43:53   write this with open eyes first before [TS]

00:43:55   we tell you anything about it but come [TS]

00:43:56   on it's really so be sure the eyes of [TS]

00:43:58   the audience [TS]

00:43:59   it was so clear that the characters [TS]

00:44:00   didn't know that's fine for the audience [TS]

00:44:01   not to know because that's like Spencer [TS]

00:44:03   the audience but it was so clear that [TS]

00:44:04   the character you didn't know what they [TS]

00:44:05   were in for and suddenly like you should [TS]

00:44:07   have briefed the characters but maybe [TS]

00:44:09   they did because I mean honestly if you [TS]

00:44:12   were in a room with someone they were [TS]

00:44:13   like yeah the gravity's gonna like kind [TS]

00:44:15   of shift 90 degrees if you're gonna go [TS]

00:44:18   leaping them fall to your feet on the [TS]

00:44:20   wall like I don't know that I would be [TS]

00:44:22   able to really comprehend that until I [TS]

00:44:24   was actually doing it and i think i [TS]

00:44:26   would actually feel a lot of anxiety [TS]

00:44:28   about it because it's completely foreign [TS]

00:44:30   so i mean i agree i don't think they [TS]

00:44:32   were but maybe they were and it was just [TS]

00:44:34   such so [TS]

00:44:35   suspended belief or disbelief that that [TS]

00:44:38   they just could wrap their brains around [TS]

00:44:40   until they actually had to do it [TS]

00:44:42   I don't know why they're freaking out [TS]

00:44:43   standing underneath this thing the size [TS]

00:44:44   of a mountain that is not falling on [TS]

00:44:46   them for some reason like so it's okay [TS]

00:44:48   is it okay for us to stand here should [TS]

00:44:49   we drive the trucks right under this [TS]

00:44:51   thing cuz i love the claustrophobia [TS]

00:44:53   though I thought they did wonderful job [TS]

00:44:54   at made us feel like we were Louise in [TS]

00:44:57   that moment we're watching it you're [TS]

00:44:58   trying not to hyperventilate you don't [TS]

00:45:00   know exactly what's gonna happen thats [TS]

00:45:02   15-foot tall elephant-like cephalopods [TS]

00:45:05   whoo whoooooo and other bad choices on [TS]

00:45:08   this base [TS]

00:45:09   don't let the military people there and [TS]

00:45:10   watch fox news oh yeah they would never [TS]

00:45:12   be like another thing that standard [TS]

00:45:14   military like okay well you're off duty [TS]

00:45:16   military people now watch a bunch of [TS]

00:45:18   paranoid lunatic like conspiracy [TS]

00:45:19   conspiracy website dot net is for that [TS]

00:45:22   is your free time feel free to watch [TS]

00:45:25   that that's fine [TS]

00:45:26   we've been total radio silence would [TS]

00:45:27   watch TV or skype calls me I have some [TS]

00:45:29   issues with that entire plot line which [TS]

00:45:31   we can get to but I want to ask about [TS]

00:45:32   the aliens so yeah it does anybody have [TS]

00:45:34   any thoughts about the way that the [TS]

00:45:35   Abbott and Costello our friends the [TS]

00:45:37   aliens are our differently [TS]

00:45:39   I don't know why they made a window [TS]

00:45:40   where you can only see their knees I [TS]

00:45:43   guess it's the review is to get you get [TS]

00:45:44   to reveal the end of the movie but I [TS]

00:45:46   feel like as far as window placement if [TS]

00:45:48   I was meeting a bunch of aliens I [TS]

00:45:50   wouldn't make a windows so they can see [TS]

00:45:51   from my knees down [TS]

00:45:53   that's the heptapods go figure they [TS]

00:45:55   don't they don't uh don't think like us [TS]

00:45:57   and also i was disappointed they weren't [TS]

00:45:59   wearing clothes i'm not saying that [TS]

00:46:00   aliens have to wear clothes but the [TS]

00:46:01   number of naked aliens and sci-fi movies [TS]

00:46:03   like all right come on the law of [TS]

00:46:05   averages some I'm gonna have some kind [TS]

00:46:06   of fast thing going on or they'll have [TS]

00:46:08   to be naked were not naked [TS]

00:46:10   seems like a thing you might do their [TS]

00:46:12   their own star trek don't protect your [TS]

00:46:15   puritanical values on the heptapod I've [TS]

00:46:17   got to say like you some of them are [TS]

00:46:19   going to be naked I'm fine but like [TS]

00:46:20   there should be some percentage of the [TS]

00:46:21   half-closed I was trying to think of a [TS]

00:46:23   pot with like a little jacket you know [TS]

00:46:24   probably a little bow tie is this like [TS]

00:46:26   panspermia but for clothes like [TS]

00:46:28   everybody wears clothes everywhere [TS]

00:46:30   no one wears clothes anywhere except [TS]

00:46:31   were using it to regulate your [TS]

00:46:33   temperature in some way and then [TS]

00:46:34   eventually they become fashion as your [TS]

00:46:35   society becomes more days it's not it's [TS]

00:46:37   not inconceivable that anything looks [TS]

00:46:39   kind of animal like these these aliens [TS]

00:46:41   are always like they look like animals [TS]

00:46:43   some kind they have joints and skin and [TS]

00:46:45   muscle and so on and so forth but never [TS]

00:46:46   any clothes for me clothing paradox [TS]

00:46:48   where everybody's clothes nudity is [TS]

00:46:50   universal state so that's it [TS]

00:46:52   also I have some questions about their [TS]

00:46:53   riding technique which seems to require [TS]

00:46:55   a big glass panel like how do they [TS]

00:46:57   haven't communicated riding with each [TS]

00:46:59   other when there's not a big glass [TS]

00:47:00   pitcher hovering in the role it's [TS]

00:47:02   hovering in the fluid there the fluid [TS]

00:47:03   environment and hovers is it looks gasps [TS]

00:47:06   it looks like they're in a cloud kind of [TS]

00:47:07   the exact makeup is never really and [TS]

00:47:11   especially hard there in ama a foggy [TS]

00:47:14   medium of some sort yeah like when she [TS]

00:47:16   enters later on there's there's writing [TS]

00:47:19   it just floats [TS]

00:47:20   I don't know it's like I mean I I kind [TS]

00:47:23   of understand the art direction like I [TS]

00:47:24   shouldn't be overthinking it should be [TS]

00:47:25   like what it is a type of network so [TS]

00:47:27   much better and writing because when you [TS]

00:47:28   do the visual you have to pin it down to [TS]

00:47:30   something when you put it down you're [TS]

00:47:31   like that's probably maybe not i don't [TS]

00:47:34   know like you you don't see the [TS]

00:47:36   advantages of it you see it looks cool [TS]

00:47:38   but practically speaking you know spring [TS]

00:47:41   including coalescing the shapes seems [TS]

00:47:44   massively inefficient compared to [TS]

00:47:46   dispose of you know advanced advancement [TS]

00:47:49   of their writing in but it doesn't get [TS]

00:47:50   to it in the film that they kind of are [TS]

00:47:52   there they're creating a simultaneity [TS]

00:47:54   above a thing at once and i think the [TS]

00:47:56   movie conveys it very implicitly its [TS]

00:47:58   explicit in the story it's a big hunk of [TS]

00:48:00   the story and I don't know that they [TS]

00:48:03   Jason I don't think they expressed as [TS]

00:48:05   well in the movie why that was I think [TS]

00:48:06   they did a pretty good job that there's [TS]

00:48:08   a scene where Amy Adams says imagine [TS]

00:48:10   writing you know writing a sentence with [TS]

00:48:12   both hands starting at the beginning and [TS]

00:48:14   the end and meeting in the middle that's [TS]

00:48:15   what that's what they do is they [TS]

00:48:16   encompass the entire thought and then [TS]

00:48:19   they put it out there and you know [TS]

00:48:20   there's there there squid-like they [TS]

00:48:22   express inc in and and I just I like [TS]

00:48:27   about it that you know they're alien [TS]

00:48:29   they're very different from us and [TS]

00:48:30   there's difficulty in communicating it's [TS]

00:48:33   not it's not be headed star trek aliens [TS]

00:48:35   and I like that about it that they are [TS]

00:48:37   that they're so they're so different and [TS]

00:48:39   weird and that's what aliens we if we [TS]

00:48:42   ever meet aliens they're going to not be [TS]

00:48:44   like some animal from some part of the [TS]

00:48:46   earth except intelligent right there [TS]

00:48:48   going to be very different and this is a [TS]

00:48:51   good way to do that even though yet they [TS]

00:48:53   are sort of like octopuses sort of [TS]

00:48:55   elephant and octopi [TS]

00:48:56   yeah there's a bit there that that thing [TS]

00:49:00   with the the aliens and the glasses [TS]

00:49:02   really is a trope though and I thought [TS]

00:49:03   they handled it really well like I'm [TS]

00:49:04   thinking of Independence Day with the [TS]

00:49:07   brent Spiner seen pushed up against the [TS]

00:49:09   glass and I felt like there's so many [TS]

00:49:11   opportunities in this film where you [TS]

00:49:12   think you're about to see something that [TS]

00:49:14   gets you into horror and you find out [TS]

00:49:16   what the reveal is I mean I knew the [TS]

00:49:18   story and think they changed that much [TS]

00:49:19   but I still thought is there something [TS]

00:49:21   coming [TS]

00:49:22   that's going to terrify me like it's [TS]

00:49:24   going to change the whole meaning of it [TS]

00:49:25   and I don't know how watching without [TS]

00:49:27   knowing the story if you felt like we [TS]

00:49:28   were on the verge of something terrible [TS]

00:49:30   happening with the aliens and then that [TS]

00:49:31   never results turns out the aliens are [TS]

00:49:33   just great central to sucks you know a [TS]

00:49:35   meditative job of not having like music [TS]

00:49:37   cues to make you think all of a sudden [TS]

00:49:39   some bloody thing is gonna they didn't [TS]

00:49:41   have any jumpscares they didn't have any [TS]

00:49:42   thing making you think there is going to [TS]

00:49:44   be jumpscares didn't have anything [TS]

00:49:45   making you think there was gonna be a [TS]

00:49:46   whore aspect and I appreciated that also [TS]

00:49:48   because my kids were there and be scared [TS]

00:49:50   i would say that when she put her hand [TS]

00:49:52   up to the class though there was sort of [TS]

00:49:53   the anticipation of a jump-scare like [TS]

00:49:55   she she's firmly interacting with the [TS]

00:49:58   physical environment at this point and [TS]

00:50:00   what will the alien response to that be [TS]

00:50:03   whether it is physical or their repulsed [TS]

00:50:06   by somebody touching it or whatever like [TS]

00:50:08   Italy either was there was no clear path [TS]

00:50:11   forward for what that would wind up [TS]

00:50:13   taking plate will wind up taking place [TS]

00:50:15   but it was fine all right uh plot stuff [TS]

00:50:18   so let's talk about those those angry [TS]

00:50:20   military guys with their conspiracy [TS]

00:50:24   websites and all that this is this is a [TS]

00:50:26   part of the story that I don't love but [TS]

00:50:28   i see why they did it [TS]

00:50:29   it's the entire we're we're [TS]

00:50:34   communicating with all the other [TS]

00:50:36   countries and then we're shutting it [TS]

00:50:37   down in China and Russia are causing [TS]

00:50:39   trouble and then we've got our own guys [TS]

00:50:41   who have decided that they're going to [TS]

00:50:42   blow up the thing or whatever I [TS]

00:50:44   understand why this adds a layer of of [TS]

00:50:48   suspense and action and threat [TS]

00:50:54   especially the very tense scene where [TS]

00:50:56   they're in the in the ship talking to [TS]

00:50:59   the heptapods while the bomb is about to [TS]

00:51:01   go off is the literal Hitchcock thing we [TS]

00:51:03   have [TS]

00:51:04   literal bond the audience knows is there [TS]

00:51:05   and the characters don't yeah but but [TS]

00:51:07   you know what the aliens know it's there [TS]

00:51:09   and they and they sweep them out to be [TS]

00:51:10   able to take their sweet time though [TS]

00:51:12   they do they do they leave it to the end [TS]

00:51:15   because they like a good then i'm going [TS]

00:51:18   to count their buildings especially like [TS]

00:51:19   with me tell you about the bomb behind [TS]

00:51:20   you but first let's just talk about some [TS]

00:51:22   other stuff yeah yeah I didn't I didn't [TS]

00:51:24   love this part I again I know why it's [TS]

00:51:26   there there's somebody who says you know [TS]

00:51:28   we need a little more conflict we need a [TS]

00:51:30   little more excitement about how about [TS]

00:51:31   an explosion and some gunfire but I [TS]

00:51:34   don't know why did I think this was my [TS]

00:51:36   favorite bit of not the plot part which [TS]

00:51:39   again I think it's just there is a [TS]

00:51:40   standard part in it i think it does help [TS]

00:51:42   the movie but the way it was handled i [TS]

00:51:44   thought was really different than I [TS]

00:51:47   would expect it so that the use of [TS]

00:51:49   things I liked about her sandal first of [TS]

00:51:50   all it was it was telegraphed pretty [TS]

00:51:52   obviously we have shown that guy's face [TS]

00:51:54   you know easy on the call was in fine [TS]

00:51:56   they did just somebody needs to do right [TS]

00:51:57   so they go there they plant the bomb we [TS]

00:52:00   see the bomb [TS]

00:52:01   it's got a time round up with it with [TS]

00:52:02   the standard 7 segment display the [TS]

00:52:04   timer's will always be made of what are [TS]

00:52:05   they gonna do when bombs don't have that [TS]

00:52:06   display on that anymore anyway that goes [TS]

00:52:08   up and they want to show you then is [TS]

00:52:11   like really only this other get this [TS]

00:52:13   guy's face has been here the whole time [TS]

00:52:14   going to be bored should be bored i [TS]

00:52:16   totally want to kill these aliens did I [TS]

00:52:17   say that out loud like the whole earlier [TS]

00:52:19   part of the movie we know it's gonna be [TS]

00:52:20   him then me then they show him down [TS]

00:52:22   there they send up the bomb [TS]

00:52:24   he's got other people with him you can't [TS]

00:52:26   really see like they're just like just [TS]

00:52:27   send him up whatever then they show the [TS]

00:52:29   close-up of them unpacking their weapons [TS]

00:52:31   unpacking their guns like and so it's [TS]

00:52:33   clear that it's a conspiracy essentially [TS]

00:52:34   all of them are like you know what [TS]

00:52:36   they're saying all the military stuff [TS]

00:52:37   like you know take good shots blog we [TS]

00:52:39   can do this but they only show them [TS]

00:52:42   opening the gun cases make sure their [TS]

00:52:44   hands from above right almost as if [TS]

00:52:46   you're looking out of the tunnel down at [TS]

00:52:47   it and they don't show that gunfight [TS]

00:52:50   they don't let your show like this they [TS]

00:52:53   show the trucks coming towards it they [TS]

00:52:55   showed the opening up the stuff and then [TS]

00:52:56   from within the cave area you hear some [TS]

00:52:59   gunshots but like we don't see the whole [TS]

00:53:01   battle because and i love that was like [TS]

00:53:02   I don't care about that guy [TS]

00:53:04   yeah I don't care how that battle turns [TS]

00:53:06   out i understand what you're getting at [TS]

00:53:08   you don't have to take me there [TS]

00:53:10   just just sketch it just be like don't [TS]

00:53:13   don't go down because so many other [TS]

00:53:14   movies would have had that battle scene [TS]

00:53:16   and have [TS]

00:53:16   cut back and forth in the battle scene [TS]

00:53:18   the bomb talking to aliens balancing the [TS]

00:53:20   Bob talking to aliens they stay with the [TS]

00:53:23   people in the room and then come back to [TS]

00:53:25   the bomb that much right now I love that [TS]

00:53:27   I love that I was not forced to spend [TS]

00:53:29   time with these Yahoo's down there [TS]

00:53:31   having their gunfighter even with the [TS]

00:53:33   good guys coming with the pickup trucks [TS]

00:53:34   try to stop them like I know how that's [TS]

00:53:37   gonna go you've established that you've [TS]

00:53:38   done it whatever now we're in the room [TS]

00:53:39   with the bomb and I really appreciated [TS]

00:53:41   again light touch on all that where they [TS]

00:53:44   just drop enough into the water to let [TS]

00:53:46   you know these are the things that are [TS]

00:53:47   happening you've seen this in 17 other [TS]

00:53:48   movies we don't need to show you that [TS]

00:53:50   stuff [TS]

00:53:50   let's show you the stuff we haven't seen [TS]

00:53:52   which is talking to these weird aliens [TS]

00:53:54   advancing that plot and oh yeah there's [TS]

00:53:55   a bomb in the thing and I thought the [TS]

00:53:57   way they resolve the bomb with the [TS]

00:53:59   little force push that the seven fingers [TS]

00:54:02   force push to save them and and float [TS]

00:54:05   them gently into the little gravity [TS]

00:54:06   tunnel on all that I thought that was [TS]

00:54:08   that was really nice and I do appreciate [TS]

00:54:10   a good explosion in the middle of a [TS]

00:54:12   sci-fi movie i'll say that was nice [TS]

00:54:13   explosion i want to bring up the I want [TS]

00:54:15   to circle back about the about that last [TS]

00:54:17   bit too is that Abbott does this because [TS]

00:54:21   they know it's gonna happen right this [TS]

00:54:23   is part of what we find out as we [TS]

00:54:24   develop further you look back at the [TS]

00:54:26   scene you say these aliens knew exactly [TS]

00:54:29   what was about to happen because they [TS]

00:54:30   know and this is this is an echo of Amy [TS]

00:54:34   Adams not changing the death of her [TS]

00:54:35   daughter even though ostensibly maybe [TS]

00:54:38   she could or she could not have [TS]

00:54:39   conceived the daughter line in the movie [TS]

00:54:41   in the book the story rather the [TS]

00:54:43   daughter dies in a climbing accident so [TS]

00:54:45   conceivably she could change events the [TS]

00:54:47   mother and Louise might have missed the [TS]

00:54:48   movie they make it essentially if you [TS]

00:54:50   have this child she's gonna do not die [TS]

00:54:52   of this rare and incurable disease which [TS]

00:54:54   is a different set of steaks so I think [TS]

00:54:56   they set up a bit in the same way as the [TS]

00:54:58   alien knows it's like the doctor right [TS]

00:55:00   he knows the staff is coming [TS]

00:55:02   somebody knocks four times where the [TS]

00:55:03   bomb is about to go off Abbott's entire [TS]

00:55:05   life is clear to him that leads up to [TS]

00:55:08   this moment when he commits this event [TS]

00:55:10   which has this consequence for his race [TS]

00:55:12   and for this whole mission and that's [TS]

00:55:14   just what he does knowing that the whole [TS]

00:55:16   time so i think it's a light parallelism [TS]

00:55:18   but it comes into sharp relief by the [TS]

00:55:20   end of the film there's one mechanic in [TS]

00:55:22   this film that I can't get behind and [TS]

00:55:24   that is the tons of fake news that are [TS]

00:55:27   here in the media clips oh yea networks [TS]

00:55:29   and the graphic overlays for countless [TS]

00:55:33   needless organizations that we don't we [TS]

00:55:37   don't need to have any concept of I I [TS]

00:55:39   feel like that was a complete waste and [TS]

00:55:43   especially hated the montage of all of [TS]

00:55:45   them altogether blathering on about the [TS]

00:55:48   events that are going on globally [TS]

00:55:49   yep i don't really think that added [TS]

00:55:52   anything to the film i found it to be [TS]

00:55:54   really distracting and since we know it [TS]

00:55:56   is completely absolutely one hundred [TS]

00:55:59   percent of ache from from beginning to [TS]

00:56:02   end [TS]

00:56:03   I don't want to see it a if it's [TS]

00:56:06   supposed to be some sort of plausible [TS]

00:56:07   world near our modern-day then it should [TS]

00:56:11   either be networks that were familiar [TS]

00:56:12   with or should never be seen at all and [TS]

00:56:15   i ate exposition can come at us through [TS]

00:56:17   any other character that is available [TS]

00:56:19   rather rather than this mechanic which I [TS]

00:56:22   feels kind of lazy and something you see [TS]

00:56:24   in like zombie movies [TS]

00:56:25   yeah you know again not to bring back [TS]

00:56:27   contact but I will say this for contact [TS]

00:56:29   contact got a bunch of people from CNN [TS]

00:56:32   to do stuff for contact with the CNN [TS]

00:56:35   logos and they showed CNN's coverage of [TS]

00:56:38   their launching their their machine and [TS]

00:56:40   all of that and they edited together [TS]

00:56:43   like clips Bill Clinton talking now and [TS]

00:56:47   you know and they made an effort to say [TS]

00:56:48   okay this is what it is it's like it's [TS]

00:56:50   CNN you're seeing everything it's [TS]

00:56:52   exactly what you're seeing and in this [TS]

00:56:54   yeah it definitely felt like a TV show [TS]

00:56:57   with a fake you know fake news anchor [TS]

00:56:59   with a fake logo and I I grew here I I [TS]

00:57:02   that was not my favorite thing about [TS]

00:57:03   it's like one notch up from the spinning [TS]

00:57:06   newspapers kind of thing so I want to [TS]

00:57:08   bring I want to bring everybody down but [TS]

00:57:10   i do want to explain why in the end this [TS]

00:57:11   movie didn't didn't hold together for me [TS]

00:57:14   alright why I don't tell you you're on [TS]

00:57:16   so that's what I mean I like that is [TS]

00:57:18   this so much i like about this movie [TS]

00:57:20   that I don't regret having seen it all [TS]

00:57:22   and i really liked that it was made but [TS]

00:57:24   for me specifically like this to just [TS]

00:57:29   fall entirely like this this movie The [TS]

00:57:32   Return in this movie in the general plot [TS]

00:57:33   hangs on as presented in the film I [TS]

00:57:36   don't know what it's like in the book [TS]

00:57:38   the barest of threads they mentioned [TS]

00:57:39   this after Whorf hypothesis or whatever [TS]

00:57:42   that your that the language that use [TS]

00:57:43   influences your way of thinking right [TS]

00:57:45   they throw that out there in case you're [TS]

00:57:47   not familiar with it gets one line and [TS]

00:57:49   then the whole turn in the book is by [TS]

00:57:51   learning this alien language it will [TS]

00:57:53   change your way of thinking and it [TS]

00:57:56   changes your way of thinking in such a [TS]

00:57:57   way the time is no longer linear and [TS]

00:57:59   that is a really important thing because [TS]

00:58:01   that's all about the turn or whatever [TS]

00:58:02   and I that doesn't hold together for me [TS]

00:58:04   the idea that the secret of these aliens [TS]

00:58:07   would be it's like learn french and time [TS]

00:58:09   is no longer linear nope sorry not [TS]

00:58:11   happening like I don't care how fancy [TS]

00:58:12   your languages i don't care if you write [TS]

00:58:14   in a circle learning a language is like [TS]

00:58:17   weird language plus after war people's [TS]

00:58:20   time has no meaning no I don't I don't [TS]

00:58:22   accept that I don't get it all right and [TS]

00:58:24   so that that you know it doesn't hold [TS]

00:58:25   together for me personally and then the [TS]

00:58:27   second part is assuming does hold [TS]

00:58:30   together sooner you accept that as like [TS]

00:58:31   art whatever hand way behind way this is [TS]

00:58:33   this is the plot of the movie i think [TS]

00:58:35   that like what that I think what they [TS]

00:58:38   were going for and didn't accomplish ms [TS]

00:58:40   I I shouldn't feel like the wii's is a [TS]

00:58:43   monster for having a child and I kind of [TS]

00:58:45   feel like she's a monster for having [TS]

00:58:46   your child because she knows how it's [TS]

00:58:49   going to turn out yep [TS]

00:58:50   presumably she accepts that there's no [TS]

00:58:51   way she can avoid it and she does it [TS]

00:58:54   anyway which strikes me as one of the [TS]

00:58:55   most selfish acts you could possible [TS]

00:58:57   because it's maybe you want to have [TS]

00:58:59   those moments with your child and [TS]

00:59:00   treasure them but the the poor child [TS]

00:59:02   like you bring someone into this world [TS]

00:59:05   you know is going to be did to die a [TS]

00:59:07   terrible death I it just it seems to me [TS]

00:59:10   because you're not like well maybe and [TS]

00:59:12   you know like you you now see time as [TS]

00:59:14   like a number of maybe she has no choice [TS]

00:59:15   like that again it's not it's not [TS]

00:59:17   emphasize enough the in the movie i [TS]

00:59:18   can't tell if like this is gonna happen [TS]

00:59:20   anyway and she embraces it is able to [TS]

00:59:22   accept it versus no she actually does [TS]

00:59:24   have a choice and she could choose not [TS]

00:59:26   to do it so it [TS]

00:59:27   I don't think that's what they wanted me [TS]

00:59:29   to feel I think they wanted me to feel [TS]

00:59:30   like this is an inevitability and [TS]

00:59:33   embrace the Magica of time no longer [TS]

00:59:36   being linear and you seeing the matrix [TS]

00:59:37   and having it all be of one continuous [TS]

00:59:39   thing and and then accept her doing this [TS]

00:59:44   thing as a beautiful decision but like I [TS]

00:59:46   i don't i don't see her as a monster I [TS]

00:59:49   have empathy for her character and I [TS]

00:59:50   appreciate it but this [TS]

00:59:51   little corner of saying but yet did she [TS]

00:59:53   really make the right decision we be not [TS]

00:59:55   so that's that's Maggie I think that's [TS]

00:59:59   the beauty of the [TS]

00:59:59   the beauty of the [TS]

01:00:00   end of this movie is that well first off [TS]

01:00:03   I disagree that if it if she well I [TS]

01:00:07   disagree yeah I know but broadly I do [TS]

01:00:09   disagree but in specific i'm going to [TS]

01:00:11   say I disagree because what you're [TS]

01:00:13   arguing is if you know for a fact that [TS]

01:00:15   you're going to have a child and you're [TS]

01:00:17   going to love them and they're gonna [TS]

01:00:18   love you and you're gonna raise them and [TS]

01:00:20   thence tragically later in life they're [TS]

01:00:23   going to die for some reason you should [TS]

01:00:25   just not have them and they shouldn't [TS]

01:00:26   exist and i think that's wrong i think [TS]

01:00:29   that's monstrous and the reality is you [TS]

01:00:31   know all of the children we have and [TS]

01:00:34   bring into this world are going to die [TS]

01:00:37   that's life not when they're 18 and from [TS]

01:00:41   from are very rare disease just one [TS]

01:00:42   length of time like if your life is I [TS]

01:00:44   know but it is a significant thing it's [TS]

01:00:47   a significant thing I'm just people make [TS]

01:00:49   if you have taste sex you know you have [TS]

01:00:51   to assess the traits as an Ashkenazi Jew [TS]

01:00:54   I feels very strongly that there are [TS]

01:00:56   people who make the choice to not have [TS]

01:00:57   children all and people make the choice [TS]

01:00:59   to have children knowing what the jack [TS]

01:01:01   outcome a key be and that their child [TS]

01:01:03   might live to be from age three to 18 [TS]

01:01:05   and I in cystic fibrosis other diseases [TS]

01:01:07   they still have children but doesn't [TS]

01:01:09   maybe like this is in this universe were [TS]

01:01:11   led to believe that like it's not it's [TS]

01:01:13   not a question of like always a [TS]

01:01:14   possibility and Bob's like no this is [TS]

01:01:16   how it's gonna go down you know ahead of [TS]

01:01:18   time so i think the way time works in [TS]

01:01:19   this movie [TS]

01:01:20   what happens happens and that's one of [TS]

01:01:21   the beautiful things it's a very 12 [TS]

01:01:23   monkeys like view of of time but then [TS]

01:01:26   but then she doesn't get credit for [TS]

01:01:27   doing a beautiful thing because she had [TS]

01:01:28   no choice of things that happen happen [TS]

01:01:30   well what is it what is the free will [TS]

01:01:31   it's a good question here's the thing [TS]

01:01:33   though John your point of view is [TS]

01:01:35   represented in the movie because it is [TS]

01:01:37   strongly implied that that's the reason [TS]

01:01:38   jeremy renner leaves her [TS]

01:01:39   well yeah I mean who had you know I i [TS]

01:01:42   have I my life for not being with his [TS]

01:01:45   dying daughter but like he's and he's [TS]

01:01:47   another person who got you got you know [TS]

01:01:49   screwed over by her decision because she [TS]

01:01:51   didn't include him in the decision she [TS]

01:01:53   just said oh I'm you know let's have a [TS]

01:01:55   child together [TS]

01:01:56   I'm not going to tell you but guess what [TS]

01:01:57   this is gonna die horribly I know this [TS]

01:01:59   but I'm not gonna bring you know i'm not [TS]

01:02:01   going to tell you about it so like he [TS]

01:02:03   got suckered into this know until she's [TS]

01:02:05   aged seven or so that he's gonna dance [TS]

01:02:06   right and then she's gonna tell me it's [TS]

01:02:07   like well it's like the worst possible [TS]

01:02:09   thing like you didn't tell me the [TS]

01:02:10   beginning which is not fair to me [TS]

01:02:11   because you knew [TS]

01:02:12   how this is gonna turn out and didn't [TS]

01:02:13   tell me right and then you do tell me [TS]

01:02:15   halfway through by the way that you can [TS]

01:02:16   end horribly huh [TS]

01:02:17   so I didn't get to enjoy the rest of my [TS]

01:02:19   daughter's life you could just not told [TS]

01:02:21   him the entire time so I'd say the truly [TS]

01:02:23   selfish move is saving yourself is [TS]

01:02:26   preventing your child from having any [TS]

01:02:27   life at all because you don't want to be [TS]

01:02:28   hurt when they die but there is no child [TS]

01:02:30   at that point there's not you're not [TS]

01:02:31   preventing anybody from having anything [TS]

01:02:32   anymore year then you're preventing all [TS]

01:02:34   the kids you didn't have four but there [TS]

01:02:35   is she knows who she knows every notion [TS]

01:02:38   of her child because she can see the [TS]

01:02:40   future see so and this goes back to your [TS]

01:02:41   other point which is you just don't you [TS]

01:02:42   just don't buy this idea of course [TS]

01:02:45   language you can see the premise of the [TS]

01:02:46   entire thing which is you know it's [TS]

01:02:48   science fiction I that there are lots of [TS]

01:02:49   things about you that I inspection [TS]

01:02:51   that's fantasy that's just fantasy like [TS]

01:02:53   there's no scientific just because there [TS]

01:02:54   was there's a thing called Sapphira war [TS]

01:02:56   hypothesis one of the ways people think [TS]

01:02:58   of the arrow of time and think of the [TS]

01:03:00   way the universe works is that it [TS]

01:03:02   actually is all occurring simultaneously [TS]

01:03:04   everything no I'm on board with that I [TS]

01:03:07   just don't think learning a language [TS]

01:03:08   that is going to give you mastery over [TS]

01:03:10   time but we don't know that that's what [TS]

01:03:12   it is in the structure of the film the [TS]

01:03:13   aliens give her a weapon she's pursuing [TS]

01:03:15   you know that's part of the thing a tool [TS]

01:03:17   they talk about is technology its [TS]

01:03:18   biggest you learn language 129 language [TS]

01:03:20   of changing your way of thinking that's [TS]

01:03:22   that's all you got in the movie she goes [TS]

01:03:23   into the strange medium their teaching [TS]

01:03:26   this language which unlocks something as [TS]

01:03:28   a tech technology but they're talking [TS]

01:03:30   about is something that's part of the [TS]

01:03:31   mentality right that this language [TS]

01:03:33   unlocks a capacity which is a very [TS]

01:03:35   science fiction think it's not fantasy [TS]

01:03:36   to unlock the best if we accept that [TS]

01:03:38   there are aliens who can see nonlinear [TS]

01:03:40   time why could they not teach the [TS]

01:03:42   ability to see nonlinear time to someone [TS]

01:03:44   was saying like that wasn't in the movie [TS]

01:03:46   all we got in the movie with sapphire [TS]

01:03:47   worth learn language time on time [TS]

01:03:49   unfolds like there was no no thing in [TS]

01:03:51   the movie to tell you like / altering [TS]

01:03:53   you by being in this mr. anything like [TS]

01:03:55   that it was your footnotes then yeah [TS]

01:03:57   well I really just wasn't there like [TS]

01:03:59   there was there was very little to hang [TS]

01:04:00   your hat on to to explain why this end [TS]

01:04:03   and i would say like it's it's only [TS]

01:04:05   vaguely plausible unless their altar [TS]

01:04:06   altering the biology to be like we can [TS]

01:04:09   take a human and give you the ability to [TS]

01:04:10   do this thing like i don't think there's [TS]

01:04:12   anything that can be explained humans [TS]

01:04:14   they would let humans see time in a [TS]

01:04:16   nonlinear way and see the future in the [TS]

01:04:17   past like even if I accept that there's [TS]

01:04:19   any kind of being that has this mastery [TS]

01:04:21   over this aspect of the universe the [TS]

01:04:24   idea that [TS]

01:04:25   talk therapy or just hanging out [TS]

01:04:27   together and learning some stuff can [TS]

01:04:28   give you that it doesn't doesn't hang [TS]

01:04:29   together syfy what is the other fans who [TS]

01:04:31   is fine it's like i'll give you the true [TS]

01:04:33   side there give you a doctor strange [TS]

01:04:35   type thing yeah all thumbs up but sci-fi [TS]

01:04:37   not very sci-fi I disagree time travel [TS]

01:04:41   in the perception of time is a [TS]

01:04:43   fundamental principle of science fiction [TS]

01:04:44   and right but you gotta you gotta have [TS]

01:04:46   something to hang your hat on you gotta [TS]

01:04:48   have something she locked but she like [TS]

01:04:50   the capacity by language makes it turns [TS]

01:04:51   out that line w % of our brain right [TS]

01:04:53   nothing but no they didn't do that [TS]

01:04:55   Joanna but they didn't do this [TS]

01:04:56   no it's the idea that she's not [TS]

01:04:58   unlocking some latent capacity your [TS]

01:05:00   brain but it's a way it's a point of [TS]

01:05:01   view you have actually interviewing [TS]

01:05:04   doesn't point of view doesn't make you [TS]

01:05:06   not incentives just hanging space to [TS]

01:05:07   though I mean the cips hang there and [TS]

01:05:09   you know in the over the field and [TS]

01:05:10   that's a form of science fiction we [TS]

01:05:12   accept the idea that she has the [TS]

01:05:13   capacity to see time in a in a holistic [TS]

01:05:16   you know complete fashion because the [TS]

01:05:18   aliens have already mastered this [TS]

01:05:19   because they've done it's capable for [TS]

01:05:21   her to do it and language is the key [TS]

01:05:22   that allows her to see simultaneously I [TS]

01:05:24   I would have been happier if they didn't [TS]

01:05:26   have if they didn't mention sapphire [TS]

01:05:27   Worf if because that was the only thing [TS]

01:05:29   they gave you was like by learning a [TS]

01:05:30   language but if they didn't mention that [TS]

01:05:31   at all but merely said she goes into the [TS]

01:05:33   missing now she can do this thing then [TS]

01:05:35   you can just make up an explanation you [TS]

01:05:36   want you're like well the aliens can do [TS]

01:05:37   it and now she can do it [TS]

01:05:38   the story makes it easier because of the [TS]

01:05:40   story she has no ability to change time [TS]

01:05:42   not exactly adjacent i just reread it [TS]

01:05:43   and I after this because in the movie [TS]

01:05:45   it's clear that she can sort of change [TS]

01:05:48   events that there's some kind of looped [TS]

01:05:49   going on with you don't see where it [TS]

01:05:50   starts and ends at car locks [TS]

01:05:52   i I don't I don't read it that way you [TS]

01:05:54   don't do you read that she can change [TS]

01:05:56   challenge because she's talking about [TS]

01:05:57   she can't i don't i don't either the way [TS]

01:05:59   I read the movie is that time is it time [TS]

01:06:01   is the way it is and when she knows [TS]

01:06:03   about it she knows about it but that's [TS]

01:06:04   all she was able to create a paradox [TS]

01:06:06   somehow though so that's part of the but [TS]

01:06:08   we don't know how that paradox was [TS]

01:06:09   created right yeah like what the general [TS]

01:06:12   calling the general then he's the one he [TS]

01:06:14   tells her the thing that is true [TS]

01:06:16   that's what that's what that's a loop [TS]

01:06:17   that happens but i don't i'm not sure [TS]

01:06:18   she creates it wrong not sure I just [TS]

01:06:20   really something like this sometimes you [TS]

01:06:23   know a lot of other science-fiction [TS]

01:06:24   resolutions when you have a loop like [TS]

01:06:26   that occur a series of events that [TS]

01:06:28   happened essentially off-camera lock you [TS]

01:06:30   into a certain kind of outcome because [TS]

01:06:31   they ripple back and forth through time [TS]

01:06:33   and then you're seeing the outcome but [TS]

01:06:34   you can't see the cause and that's [TS]

01:06:36   always good sci-fi about [TS]

01:06:37   that but in this in the book its [TS]

01:06:39   seemingly very explicit that she her [TS]

01:06:42   consciousness spans she's unable she [TS]

01:06:44   could never told so she tells John [TS]

01:06:45   Jeremy Renner right she tells even in [TS]

01:06:47   the movie this thing about the future [TS]

01:06:49   she reveals the future to him which [TS]

01:06:51   ostensibly would change things accept [TS]

01:06:53   the notion is that she'd are always told [TS]

01:06:55   him that and that she remembers how why [TS]

01:06:57   he left you know in the past she knows [TS]

01:06:59   why she told him that in the future but [TS]

01:07:01   isn't that changing history changing [TS]

01:07:02   time and the general is the most [TS]

01:07:04   problematic thing in the movie because [TS]

01:07:05   it i mean you can be explained by saying [TS]

01:07:07   like the general learn the language too [TS]

01:07:09   because the general is there and the [TS]

01:07:11   only in story reason for him to saying [TS]

01:07:13   that is because he knows he has to say [TS]

01:07:14   that because that is essential for the [TS]

01:07:17   you know the earlier events right thing [TS]

01:07:19   you learned later it is not is not [TS]

01:07:20   naturalistic it's not as not as if he [TS]

01:07:22   just happens to say that and she learns [TS]

01:07:23   you can go back he comes and says I [TS]

01:07:25   think it's probably important for me to [TS]

01:07:27   show you this and also let me tell you [TS]

01:07:29   this like so he and he could be doing [TS]

01:07:32   that if he also has gained this ability [TS]

01:07:34   to see time and realizes this is an [TS]

01:07:36   important thing to do and that's fine i [TS]

01:07:38   just not they don't they don't they say [TS]

01:07:39   in the movies why he's doing that but [TS]

01:07:41   they make it very clear that it's not [TS]

01:07:42   just know she has a glimpse of the [TS]

01:07:44   future and using an information she's [TS]

01:07:45   able to be convincing in the past she [TS]

01:07:47   has a glimpse of the future in which the [TS]

01:07:48   guy she's convincing gives are [TS]

01:07:50   explicitly for no other in story reason [TS]

01:07:53   this information for the express purpose [TS]

01:07:54   of causing the past events to happen not [TS]

01:07:57   thats that's a fun scene but i don't [TS]

01:07:59   really love it because I i find me there [TS]

01:08:01   it feels like us i seen from another [TS]

01:08:03   movie [TS]

01:08:03   it feels like a scene from you know [TS]

01:08:06   looper or have some other kind of time [TS]

01:08:08   travel shenanigans movie and that's not [TS]

01:08:10   the movie that I feel like I've been [TS]

01:08:11   watching up to this point in building [TS]

01:08:13   Ted's Excellent Adventure members if [TS]

01:08:15   they escape they got the key right to [TS]

01:08:18   escape later and then they won't [TS]

01:08:19   remember me up [TS]

01:08:21   yeah can i point out one other thing to [TS]

01:08:23   having read the story and the movie and [TS]

01:08:25   I really do love the movie i think it's [TS]

01:08:27   fair i'd be with aliens for a half stars [TS]

01:08:30   when i get out of 5 but the i think that [TS]

01:08:33   there's a graft in this movie to give it [TS]

01:08:34   there's like the core story that's in [TS]

01:08:37   the short story is I think told [TS]

01:08:40   beautifully and almost completely and in [TS]

01:08:42   most ways almost identical I think Jason [TS]

01:08:44   don't you agree that's all that they [TS]

01:08:47   preserve the core feeling and nature of [TS]

01:08:49   the story but then there's this it [TS]

01:08:51   additional like contact and I kept [TS]

01:08:52   thinking about contact to or even lake [TS]

01:08:55   house in fact there's a little bit of [TS]

01:08:56   that like inexplicable time travel [TS]

01:08:59   information time travel was [TS]

01:09:01   choreographed it on top to give it sort [TS]

01:09:02   of a conventional veneers that would [TS]

01:09:04   allow an arc of you know something has [TS]

01:09:07   to happen and the world's my blog in the [TS]

01:09:09   story the aliens show up the reveal [TS]

01:09:13   I'm gonna go spoilers for the reveal is [TS]

01:09:14   that there's no reason they're there [TS]

01:09:15   they're there because they know they [TS]

01:09:17   have to be there and then they go and [TS]

01:09:18   that's the entire and inside the movies [TS]

01:09:20   or the story is a meditation on what you [TS]

01:09:23   know your internal state of mind how you [TS]

01:09:25   perceive the universe how you deal with [TS]

01:09:27   this knowledge that's terrible [TS]

01:09:28   and the fact that these aliens because [TS]

01:09:31   they can receive all of their time at [TS]

01:09:33   once their whole lives at once not the [TS]

01:09:34   future is their whole lives they come [TS]

01:09:37   and they go and there's no purpose for [TS]

01:09:39   it so you're left to close with rather [TS]

01:09:41   than this one coming because we need you [TS]

01:09:42   three thousand years the whole subtitle [TS]

01:09:44   seen I think they could have removed all [TS]

01:09:45   the subtitles and it would have been a [TS]

01:09:47   better film like just had her in there [TS]

01:09:49   talking to them then painting things [TS]

01:09:51   that are going out and doing the thing [TS]

01:09:52   and we're going much better i enjoyed [TS]

01:09:54   the we're here because we will need you [TS]

01:09:56   in 3,000 years so there are two things [TS]

01:09:58   that bothered me about the the movie [TS]

01:10:03   that made it four and a half stars [TS]

01:10:05   instead of five for me [TS]

01:10:06   one of them was that whole scene with [TS]

01:10:08   the general where he likes shows or his [TS]

01:10:11   phone and then tells her exactly what [TS]

01:10:12   she says and I kind of I felt like and [TS]

01:10:16   she would either no or not no you know [TS]

01:10:18   that's done in science fiction where [TS]

01:10:20   it's just kind of a hand waved away and [TS]

01:10:22   not really explained so I didn't really [TS]

01:10:24   love that scene and the other thing was [TS]

01:10:27   a as Joe mentioned in the beginning the [TS]

01:10:30   hair during that whole scene where she [TS]

01:10:34   so mad she's a little she's like on the [TS]

01:10:38   ship inn in their environment because it [TS]

01:10:41   was so distracted I was they were so [TS]

01:10:44   overly ambitious with the the lack or [TS]

01:10:49   reduction of gravity and her hair in [TS]

01:10:51   that environment [TS]

01:10:53   yeah I I was cringing the whole entire [TS]

01:10:56   time it's supposed to be a really [TS]

01:10:57   emotionally impactful moment we're [TS]

01:10:59   describing the death of [TS]

01:11:02   the the characters who threw them out of [TS]

01:11:05   the little airlock thing inside of there [TS]

01:11:07   and we're discussing how in 3,000 years [TS]

01:11:09   it's gonna be important for the human [TS]

01:11:10   race and all the things about the weapon [TS]

01:11:12   and seeing your time and it's just the [TS]

01:11:13   whole time just staring at these weird [TS]

01:11:16   brassy waves moving around and just like [TS]

01:11:20   this is awful guys this is kind of [TS]

01:11:22   situations where the visual effects are [TS]

01:11:24   are in a hard place because if you've [TS]

01:11:27   seen like people on the International [TS]

01:11:29   Space Station with long hair hair and [TS]

01:11:31   zero gravity looks weird like it doesn't [TS]

01:11:33   look it doesn't look graceful like it [TS]

01:11:35   just kind of you know it just it doesn't [TS]

01:11:38   do things that you want to do in the [TS]

01:11:40   movie looks very strange to us so [TS]

01:11:43   there's a lot of this a lot of those [TS]

01:11:44   youtube videos whatever woman is up [TS]

01:11:46   there doing experiments using a very [TS]

01:11:47   long hair and she's got in different [TS]

01:11:49   styles and different times and it just [TS]

01:11:50   kind of bounces around awkwardly and [TS]

01:11:52   sticks out at weird angles and it just [TS]

01:11:54   is not flattering it is much better to [TS]

01:11:56   make it look like pretend you're a [TS]

01:11:58   mermaid underwater and also you're on a [TS]

01:12:00   Playstation 4 and now your hair is [TS]

01:12:01   waving and its artistic license but [TS]

01:12:04   maybe maybe they need a little more [TS]

01:12:06   money so the end the very end [TS]

01:12:09   I what I loved one of the things i love [TS]

01:12:11   about this movie is I i love how [TS]

01:12:13   beautiful it is at the end that we [TS]

01:12:14   there's a moment where she says I [TS]

01:12:16   realized why I just realized why my [TS]

01:12:19   husband left me and he says I don't I [TS]

01:12:22   didn't know you were married and it's [TS]

01:12:24   like you know your she's actually [TS]

01:12:25   realizing she's figured out like how [TS]

01:12:28   this is gonna go from here on out and I [TS]

01:12:31   I i think that it's a beautiful thing [TS]

01:12:35   that she's been in a movie she's been [TS]

01:12:37   especially the beginning she's talking [TS]

01:12:39   to her daughter and talking about the [TS]

01:12:40   story of her daughter's life and we've [TS]

01:12:42   seen these hints about like mommy and [TS]

01:12:44   daddy talk to animals you know and [TS]

01:12:46   things that are giving her clues about [TS]

01:12:48   this that in the end she gets this much [TS]

01:12:50   bigger vision that this is that she is [TS]

01:12:53   going to have a child within and it's [TS]

01:12:56   the child that we've seen all along and [TS]

01:12:59   and she's going to go through that whole [TS]

01:13:01   process that leads to you know her [TS]

01:13:04   daughter growing up and then her [TS]

01:13:05   daughter dying and i think it's sad and [TS]

01:13:08   and beautiful that and and the idea [TS]

01:13:11   there i take away from it i'm curious [TS]

01:13:13   what all of you take away from it [TS]

01:13:14   is that if you look at any life on a [TS]

01:13:17   long scale various tragedy and there's [TS]

01:13:21   happy things and then you die and so you [TS]

01:13:26   have to you know if your ipod you just [TS]

01:13:28   have to appreciate the happy things that [TS]

01:13:31   happen because you know we're all [TS]

01:13:33   bounded by time and I I you know I [TS]

01:13:36   thought it was I thought it was a [TS]

01:13:37   beautiful poetic way to end a movie [TS]

01:13:41   about aliens who live in a big floating [TS]

01:13:43   spaceship i also agree that it's very [TS]

01:13:46   poetic [TS]

01:13:46   I i do have some things that I thought [TS]

01:13:48   about sense that about the mechanics of [TS]

01:13:50   it and what the ramifications would be [TS]

01:13:53   on a global scale especially like why [TS]

01:13:55   would you be throwing a party 18 months [TS]

01:13:57   later instead of being like oh I wonder [TS]

01:13:59   what this time travel is going to do the [TS]

01:14:00   stock market the thing though just about [TS]

01:14:02   the aspect of Louise and everything [TS]

01:14:05   about Louie said i love that i thought [TS]

01:14:07   that was a very beautiful story to tell [TS]

01:14:10   and I love coming full circle to the [TS]

01:14:13   drawings with them in the canary and [TS]

01:14:15   then also when she's back at the lake [TS]

01:14:20   house and pouring glasses wine there [TS]

01:14:22   were those empty glasses of wine which [TS]

01:14:23   are on the table by the door at the very [TS]

01:14:27   first shot of the movie as the camera [TS]

01:14:29   pushed in on that and this we take to [TS]

01:14:32   mean is the night of the the night of [TS]

01:14:35   the daughters conception basically [TS]

01:14:37   because this was the moment of the [TS]

01:14:39   voiceover that's happening right there [TS]

01:14:41   and the fact that Jeremy Renner's [TS]

01:14:42   outside she's bringing a glass of wine I [TS]

01:14:44   but that that also ties it back in with [TS]

01:14:48   what we saw in these these things that [TS]

01:14:50   you thought were things you might have [TS]

01:14:51   thought were flashbacks earlier and and [TS]

01:14:54   makes the film feel very coherent in [TS]

01:14:57   that regard so I i like that element of [TS]

01:14:59   the construction i like that i just i [TS]

01:15:01   like the I i think i like the bitter [TS]

01:15:03   sweetness i think that's the thing i [TS]

01:15:04   like I think I like that it's sad and [TS]

01:15:07   happy at the same time that that like [TS]

01:15:09   that that really works for me [TS]

01:15:10   I thought it was sort of perfect and i [TS]

01:15:15   said at the outset i'm circling around [TS]

01:15:17   because my memory works in big blocks of [TS]

01:15:18   time he finally explained glen and how [TS]

01:15:21   we work exactly [TS]

01:15:22   now you understand meet the others i [TS]

01:15:23   have to pod I did you know the always [TS]

01:15:27   knew the hit [TS]

01:15:29   very good the bit about this is why the [TS]

01:15:31   story as i said the beginning always [TS]

01:15:32   gets to me is I feel like and you've [TS]

01:15:34   talked about it throughout too is it's [TS]

01:15:35   the the nature of being a parent is that [TS]

01:15:37   you're always creating some part of life [TS]

01:15:39   that you don't know how long this [TS]

01:15:41   creature you love so much is going to [TS]

01:15:42   live you know how long you're going to [TS]

01:15:43   live whatever but you might live to see [TS]

01:15:45   your child died which is a terrible [TS]

01:15:46   terrible thing we know when they live to [TS]

01:15:48   see our parents died that's much more [TS]

01:15:49   likely and reasonable and and also [TS]

01:15:51   horrible but seeing a child died is the [TS]

01:15:54   worst thing in the story plays with that [TS]

01:15:56   idea about that having almost having the [TS]

01:15:59   choice it's like but you don't have the [TS]

01:16:00   choice in the story she clearly doesn't [TS]

01:16:02   have the choice here we you know I was [TS]

01:16:05   interesting the different people think [TS]

01:16:06   she did that she had any free well there [TS]

01:16:08   but whether she did or didn't [TS]

01:16:10   that choice is made and she's now [TS]

01:16:12   fervently you deeply conscious other [TS]

01:16:14   from that moment forward and that it [TS]

01:16:17   just hits me so hard to think about it [TS]

01:16:20   that I think it overwhelms any of this [TS]

01:16:22   sort of you know tacked on bits that [TS]

01:16:24   beware global issues are are brought in [TS]

01:16:27   i think to you know heighten the [TS]

01:16:28   dramatic effect where it's really some [TS]

01:16:30   level this is a very small movie a [TS]

01:16:32   better view aliens and a few people and [TS]

01:16:34   all m1 life and it's it's funny how [TS]

01:16:38   small it feels even though it's brings [TS]

01:16:41   in the global things I liked it a lot [TS]

01:16:43   I I tacho a lot of the thoughts that I [TS]

01:16:47   think several of my panelists had at the [TS]

01:16:49   at the very beginning here at the end [TS]

01:16:51   say we're wrapping it all the way back [TS]

01:16:53   around I got ya i thought it was I [TS]

01:16:55   thought it was the kind of movie that I [TS]

01:16:57   like to see I hope they make more movies [TS]

01:16:59   like this i think it is the perfect [TS]

01:17:01   execution in a lot of ways of at [TS]

01:17:03   adapting a good science fiction short [TS]

01:17:06   story into a film which you know [TS]

01:17:09   original properties in Hollywood not so [TS]

01:17:12   common anymore and site you know science [TS]

01:17:15   fiction short stories are the perfect [TS]

01:17:16   thing to mine for movies they are a good [TS]

01:17:19   match and this is a good story and as [TS]

01:17:23   somebody who read it five years ago I [TS]

01:17:24   could not imagine a better adaptation of [TS]

01:17:27   them that it is there is so much care [TS]

01:17:29   and there are so many things that could [TS]

01:17:30   have really screwed up and they took a [TS]

01:17:33   lot of care with the way that this [TS]

01:17:34   screenplay is [TS]

01:17:36   and then the way it's directed and shot [TS]

01:17:37   instead the music and all of that I [TS]

01:17:39   think they did a very good job Amy Adams [TS]

01:17:41   is amazing in it and so yeah it i have [TS]

01:17:45   enjoyed a rival more than I've enjoyed [TS]

01:17:47   the movie I in multiple years i'll put [TS]

01:17:51   it that way I I thought it was great so [TS]

01:17:53   i can't say how good of an adaptation it [TS]

01:17:55   was because it didn't read the story [TS]

01:17:56   pages it was definitely it was [TS]

01:17:58   definitely a good man residues yeah it [TS]

01:17:59   was definitely a good movie but like you [TS]

01:18:01   know ASAP but my quibbles about it don't [TS]

01:18:03   make me have any ill will towards this [TS]

01:18:04   movie at all and I think for me to get [TS]

01:18:08   over the things that bother me about it [TS]

01:18:09   wouldn't take much like the way I would [TS]

01:18:11   fix this movie is get rid of sapphire [TS]

01:18:13   Worf don't have the language be the gift [TS]

01:18:15   have her merely get this ability through [TS]

01:18:16   some other hand wavy means that doesn't [TS]

01:18:18   try to don't try to pin down to some [TS]

01:18:20   concrete like languages and West I like [TS]

01:18:22   it [TS]

01:18:22   yeah right in it but then do the real [TS]

01:18:25   thing is like the thing that you all got [TS]

01:18:27   out of it that I wish there was there [TS]

01:18:28   was more of is the idea that it was [TS]

01:18:31   there and it's there in the first scene [TS]

01:18:32   but I feel like when they wrap it up at [TS]

01:18:34   the end there's a little bit too much [TS]

01:18:35   linear time the idea that after she [TS]

01:18:37   receives this gift that her experience [TS]

01:18:40   of time is not like our so she is not [TS]

01:18:42   live she's not choosing to do a thing [TS]

01:18:45   and living through that like she sees [TS]

01:18:46   the whole her life at the same as we [TS]

01:18:48   were also it sees the whole of her life [TS]

01:18:49   at the same time and if you can imagine [TS]

01:18:51   seeing it the whole your life at the [TS]

01:18:53   same time you can see there with this [TS]

01:18:55   child in some portion or without the [TS]

01:18:57   child's own portion when she looks at [TS]

01:18:59   the whole time she looks at the ring and [TS]

01:19:01   says well I want the ring that has the [TS]

01:19:03   kid part in here because i'm looking at [TS]

01:19:04   the whole thing i'm not you know and [TS]

01:19:06   it's that she doesn't do if he doesn't [TS]

01:19:08   transformation it's not expressed to us [TS]

01:19:10   well that now she is different than [TS]

01:19:13   essentially every other human who [TS]

01:19:14   doesn't have this ability because she's [TS]

01:19:15   not living her life from one day to the [TS]

01:19:18   next [TS]

01:19:19   marching through time checking off [TS]

01:19:21   things on the calendar she is instead [TS]

01:19:23   experiencing and viewing her entire life [TS]

01:19:26   at once and from that perspective offer [TS]

01:19:28   quote-unquote choices which are really [TS]

01:19:30   choices make sense and give the the the [TS]

01:19:33   heartwarming ending I just feel like [TS]

01:19:34   this that you have to bring a lot of [TS]

01:19:36   that to it because by the end of the [TS]

01:19:39   movie they make it seem like she has [TS]

01:19:41   like 0 and now we're in the present and [TS]

01:19:43   I'm making these choices and i'm just [TS]

01:19:45   going to live out my days and i'm just [TS]

01:19:47   going to let it go which is which is not [TS]

01:19:48   for it to really work for it to really [TS]

01:19:50   resonated maybe the book does this [TS]

01:19:51   better [TS]

01:19:52   I have to really internalize the idea [TS]

01:19:55   that she is not continuing her life from [TS]

01:19:57   this point on but did it but she is now [TS]

01:19:59   and has always been in forever will be [TS]

01:20:02   experiencing her entire life or one at [TS]

01:20:03   once at and one giant ring in the in the [TS]

01:20:07   book it's a story to be clear you like [TS]

01:20:08   the story better I think in the story [TS]

01:20:10   it's made clear that from the moment the [TS]

01:20:12   language affects her that she now sees [TS]

01:20:14   it from that point to her death but not [TS]

01:20:17   beyond the aliens may have longer lives [TS]

01:20:19   and Jason have to agree with you to this [TS]

01:20:21   is I can't imagine a better adaptation [TS]

01:20:23   of a book that i love so or story looks [TS]

01:20:26   so much I just you know it's not perfect [TS]

01:20:29   in every way [TS]

01:20:30   yeah I don't like some of the plot [TS]

01:20:31   add-ons but oh my god it's I think it's [TS]

01:20:34   it couldn't have been a better [TS]

01:20:35   adaptation yeah I i thinkyeah the [TS]

01:20:37   impression i got in the way I read the [TS]

01:20:39   movie is that she is basically kind of [TS]

01:20:41   not unstuck in time because that's not [TS]

01:20:43   quite right to use the you know [TS]

01:20:44   slaughterhouse-five but it's that idea [TS]

01:20:46   is like her her view of time is broken [TS]

01:20:49   at that point forever like she is [TS]

01:20:51   hopping around between all the different [TS]

01:20:53   things that happen in her in her life [TS]

01:20:55   and that's just how she is now but uh [TS]

01:20:58   you know but books can make definitive [TS]

01:21:00   statements and movies have images on the [TS]

01:21:02   screen and you have to read them I I was [TS]

01:21:05   I've been wondering about we see her at [TS]

01:21:07   the end kind of teaching seminars about [TS]

01:21:10   this language she has the book about the [TS]

01:21:13   language do other people have this [TS]

01:21:15   ability or is she so superior in her [TS]

01:21:17   linguistic abilities that she is the [TS]

01:21:20   only one who can see forward through [TS]

01:21:23   time nearly teaching the language surely [TS]

01:21:25   wouldn't give you a view of all of [TS]

01:21:26   space-time so I think she's the only one [TS]

01:21:27   with the gift that's my headcanon it's [TS]

01:21:29   just you know it's just your life that [TS]

01:21:30   you don't see all of space-time the [TS]

01:21:32   aliens made live to be thousand years [TS]

01:21:34   old my impression is that because they [TS]

01:21:36   need humanity in 3,000 years they gave [TS]

01:21:38   them the language as a tool [TS]

01:21:40   plus the schematic to build whatever [TS]

01:21:42   they need to get built the aliens [TS]

01:21:44   connect there helping 3,000 years I mean [TS]

01:21:46   that's not that's in the book but I feel [TS]

01:21:47   like in the story the story then nobody [TS]

01:21:50   in the story except the linguists to [TS]

01:21:51   meet the aliens ever managed to learn [TS]

01:21:52   languages and my take on it is is you [TS]

01:21:57   can teach other concepts of this alien [TS]

01:21:59   language but until you [TS]

01:22:01   basically what they say until you start [TS]

01:22:03   thinking in it until you start dreaming [TS]

01:22:05   in it that's the moment where now your [TS]

01:22:07   perceptions widen and that's unclear to [TS]

01:22:10   me whether she can now teach you know [TS]

01:22:13   native uh have to pod be or whether this [TS]

01:22:18   is just you know she can do is sort of [TS]

01:22:19   teach you the basics and and you'll [TS]

01:22:22   never be able to see it like her that [TS]

01:22:24   that is left to the imagination but you [TS]

01:22:26   need you really need it's like you need [TS]

01:22:27   to go to France you need to be immersed [TS]

01:22:29   yeah you need to hang out with heptapod [TS]

01:22:30   for a while in a cave that's right [TS]

01:22:32   really get that's why they only you know [TS]

01:22:34   in in the good schools only have two [TS]

01:22:36   pots can teach that language classroom [TS]

01:22:38   have non-native speakers to know English [TS]

01:22:41   allowed in the classroom just a series [TS]

01:22:42   of loud farting noise and everybody gets [TS]

01:22:44   an ink spray bottle and a pump in water [TS]

01:22:46   and then they all start getting to work [TS]

01:22:48   about speaking but everyone's here [TS]

01:22:50   forever and I just I just just 102 is a [TS]

01:22:52   Stephen Wolfram and his son were [TS]

01:22:54   involved in creating the language which [TS]

01:22:55   doesn't surprise me at all [TS]

01:22:57   yeah and i like that you know they [TS]

01:22:58   basically have like an iPad app where [TS]

01:23:00   they build the language of my thought [TS]

01:23:01   that I thought they visualize that [TS]

01:23:02   pretty well the idea of how do you have [TS]

01:23:04   anything that's occurred a circle with [TS]

01:23:05   things off it looks like a really weird [TS]

01:23:07   sort of a way of doing a written [TS]

01:23:10   language and I thought they did a good [TS]

01:23:11   job with that we should have introduced [TS]

01:23:13   into emoji though [TS]

01:23:14   hey hey you you have you seen pile of [TS]

01:23:16   poo great so you're bringing your great [TS]

01:23:17   and all but alright well that has been a [TS]

01:23:20   it's been a nice conversation about a [TS]

01:23:21   fun movie i hope you've all seen it if [TS]

01:23:23   you're listening to this but if not you [TS]

01:23:24   should you should go watch it because [TS]

01:23:26   it's good i like to thank my guests [TS]

01:23:28   doesn't matter when they listen to [TS]

01:23:29   podcasts that's true i suppose that's [TS]

01:23:31   true once you listen to this podcast [TS]

01:23:32   then you will understand all podcasts [TS]

01:23:35   that no that's not how it works either [TS]

01:23:37   only when you're dreaming but they have [TS]

01:23:39   to be immersed they do living with you [TS]

01:23:41   too living have to live with a podcast [TS]

01:23:43   live from the podcast land and moving [TS]

01:23:46   with Jason for a month menus you're [TS]

01:23:48   going to start [TS]

01:23:49   I'm gonna have to clean the cat box [TS]

01:23:50   while you're here though so be warned [TS]

01:23:53   alright thanks to my guests for being [TS]

01:23:55   here John siracusa thank you as always I [TS]

01:23:57   have no hate in my heart for this movie [TS]

01:23:59   that's good that's good it did the one [TS]

01:24:02   day you will see nonlinear time there's [TS]

01:24:06   so much of it you won't even believe it [TS]

01:24:08   Joe steel thank you bb excellent to each [TS]

01:24:11   other [TS]

01:24:11   thank you whoa holy in Sims thank you [TS]

01:24:14   thank you and Glenn fleischmann thank [TS]

01:24:19   you for going to be here [TS]

01:24:22   well you know I knew it would come out [TS]

01:24:23   this way but I still showed up this was [TS]

01:24:26   a place this was a pleasure all good and [TS]

01:24:28   will be eternally in nonlinear time and [TS]

01:24:31   space [TS]

01:24:32   thanks everybody out there for listening [TS]

01:24:33   to this edition of the uncomfortable [TS]

01:24:35   will see last week or next week for now [TS]

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