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00:00:00   the incomparable podcast number 27 mar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/0">TS</a>]

00:00:14   we're back on the uncomfortable podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/14">TS</a>]

00:00:16   and I call this meeting of the book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/16">TS</a>]

00:00:18   to order and as last time our book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/18">TS</a>]

00:00:21   remains I dwindled to three but now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/21">TS</a>]

00:00:25   remain at three we didn't lose anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/25">TS</a>]

00:00:27   this isn't a horror movie where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/27">TS</a>]

00:00:29   pick us off one by one or at least not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/29">TS</a>]

00:00:32   yet yet so there's me the voice you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/32">TS</a>]

00:00:35   heard is Glenn fleischmann claim thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37   for not dying in the interim and reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/37">TS</a>]

00:00:39   the book thank you for not bury me in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/39">TS</a>]

00:00:41   shallow grave as promised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/41">TS</a>]

00:00:43   yes and also joining us is of course the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/43">TS</a>]

00:00:45   heart of the podcast Scott McNulty I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/45">TS</a>]

00:00:48   always thought I was the spleen of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/48">TS</a>]

00:00:50   podcast yeah the gizzard have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/50">TS</a>]

00:00:52   podcast that's been that's right all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/52">TS</a>]

00:00:54   right so I'm Jason snow and i am your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/54">TS</a>]

00:00:58   host for the incomparable podcast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/58">TS</a>]

00:01:00   the book club and we're going to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/60">TS</a>]

00:01:01   today about a book that was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/61">TS</a>]

00:01:03   mentioned by Scott McNulty on the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/63">TS</a>]

00:01:06   first incomparable podcast right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/66">TS</a>]

00:01:09   it just takes us a long time to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11   face yeah well it you know for us to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/71">TS</a>]

00:01:13   read the book or at least all by all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/73">TS</a>]

00:01:15   mean the three of us may even be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/75">TS</a>]

00:01:18   people who are literate has used the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/78">TS</a>]

00:01:21   word to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/81">TS</a>]

00:01:22   that's right so so the book is the dream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/82">TS</a>]

00:01:25   of perpetual motion by dexter Palmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/85">TS</a>]

00:01:29   very interesting book i'm not sure where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/89">TS</a>]

00:01:34   to start we should probably summarize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/94">TS</a>]

00:01:35   what this book is Scott you want to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/95">TS</a>]

00:01:38   a crack at sort of what the book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/98">TS</a>]

00:01:39   about on a broad scale sure I so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/99">TS</a>]

00:01:44   it's the main character is a guy named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/104">TS</a>]

00:01:45   Harold Winslow I think that's yes okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/105">TS</a>]

00:01:48   and he hit it so it has a framing story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/108">TS</a>]

00:01:53   that takes place in a Zeppelin yes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/113">TS</a>]

00:01:56   not really feeling still check no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/116">TS</a>]

00:01:57   because it keeps coming back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59   you sort of start and end there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/119">TS</a>]

00:02:00   there's also it keeps cutting to it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/120">TS</a>]

00:02:03   the middle at various points exactly so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/123">TS</a>]

00:02:05   i guess i guess the rest of the stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   and flashback I guess exactly so in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/127">TS</a>]

00:02:09   chronologic the chronological you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/129">TS</a>]

00:02:13   flow of the book begin a present where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/133">TS</a>]

00:02:16   Harold Winslow is trapped on a Zeppelin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/136">TS</a>]

00:02:21   that contains a perpetual motion machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/141">TS</a>]

00:02:24   apparently that keeps it afloat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/144">TS</a>]

00:02:27   but he has a sneaking suspicion that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/147">TS</a>]

00:02:29   is failing and he's going to crash and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/149">TS</a>]

00:02:32   he's writing his life story basically on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/152">TS</a>]

00:02:35   this Zeppelin and explains over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/155">TS</a>]

00:02:37   course of the book why in fact he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/157">TS</a>]

00:02:38   trapped in a Zeppelin and you find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/158">TS</a>]

00:02:41   his dealings with a character named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/161">TS</a>]

00:02:44   prospero taligent who is a guess his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/164">TS</a>]

00:02:48   counterpart dinosaur his nemesis not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/168">TS</a>]

00:02:52   really insist that he is the alleged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/172">TS</a>]

00:02:54   nemesis allegedly the constructed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/174">TS</a>]

00:02:57   nemesis right right he's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/177">TS</a>]

00:02:59   industrialist and inventor and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   frozen corpse is stored on the Zeppelin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/181">TS</a>]

00:03:04   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/184">TS</a>]

00:03:06   that's not a spoiler amazing on all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/186">TS</a>]

00:03:08   is not hot and he has a daughter who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/188">TS</a>]

00:03:11   I guess kind of a love interest may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/191">TS</a>]

00:03:13   called Miranda and so the story is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/193">TS</a>]

00:03:17   really Harold and maran about their the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/197">TS</a>]

00:03:21   relationship between Harold and Miranda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/201">TS</a>]

00:03:24   and how Prospero interacts kind of sets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/204">TS</a>]

00:03:29   in motion a series of events that leads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/209">TS</a>]

00:03:32   to the beginning of the book through to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/212">TS</a>]

00:03:34   the end of the book right make any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/214">TS</a>]

00:03:35   know that it was very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   that's yes well well set and added the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   author set in fact and the setting of in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41   the flashback is is we'll get to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/221">TS</a>]

00:03:43   Glenn is is zero ville which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/223">TS</a>]

00:03:47   fictional city in the 20th century but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/227">TS</a>]

00:03:51   it's not the twentieth centuries we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/231">TS</a>]

00:03:52   come to know it's this I guess you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/232">TS</a>]

00:03:55   say steampunky kind of you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/235">TS</a>]

00:03:57   it's a it's the future is viewed from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/237">TS</a>]

00:03:59   the past kind of thing there are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/239">TS</a>]

00:04:02   are there was an age of miracles which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04   is passed and now things are more modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/244">TS</a>]

00:04:07   but their modern in a very strange way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/247">TS</a>]

00:04:08   where there are mechanical men and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/248">TS</a>]

00:04:11   strange inventions that seems to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/251">TS</a>]

00:04:13   all been created by this prospero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/253">TS</a>]

00:04:15   taligent who is AAA enigma of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/255">TS</a>]

00:04:18   character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/258">TS</a>]

00:04:19   yes he's a very mysterious guy its its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/259">TS</a>]

00:04:23   steampunk it's like it's like we're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/263">TS</a>]

00:04:25   know they have computers and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/265">TS</a>]

00:04:26   Internet ostensibly and combustion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   engines but everyone wears little tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/268">TS</a>]

00:04:30   round glasses to the style inside this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/270">TS</a>]

00:04:33   through the style aesthetic style and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/273">TS</a>]

00:04:36   description of things that makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/276">TS</a>]

00:04:38   sound like a sort of eighteenth-century [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/278">TS</a>]

00:04:39   steampunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/279">TS</a>]

00:04:40   nice entry steampunk you know veneer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/280">TS</a>]

00:04:43   yet all sorts of modern stuff is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   too it's just there's not plenty things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/285">TS</a>]

00:04:47   are sort of in short supply that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/287">TS</a>]

00:04:49   are all starving so it's not precisely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/289">TS</a>]

00:04:51   it's a dystopian but it's not thoroughly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/291">TS</a>]

00:04:54   horrible it's just it's just different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/294">TS</a>]

00:04:56   oh i wouldnĂ­t i read the the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/296">TS</a>]

00:04:59   city of zero available had you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/299">TS</a>]

00:05:02   was it's like the movies movies that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/302">TS</a>]

00:05:04   set in in the early 20th century the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/304">TS</a>]

00:05:06   late 19th century where it sort of well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/306">TS</a>]

00:05:08   we don't have a lot but we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/308">TS</a>]

00:05:09   plucked by golly it was that one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/309">TS</a>]

00:05:12   there's nothing economy our main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/312">TS</a>]

00:05:14   character our antihero can be employed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/314">TS</a>]

00:05:16   as a greeting card slogan writer what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/316">TS</a>]

00:05:19   sort of hilarious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/319">TS</a>]

00:05:20   by the way as the greeting card slogan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/320">TS</a>]

00:05:22   writer that is weights described in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/322">TS</a>]

00:05:25   which he and his colleagues write them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/325">TS</a>]

00:05:26   is precisely the way in which America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28   Online used to construct its advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/328">TS</a>]

00:05:32   slogans about a decade ago and i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/332">TS</a>]

00:05:34   kidding like the description reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/334">TS</a>]

00:05:36   this I knew a guy who was involved in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/336">TS</a>]

00:05:37   creating it you're doing a be testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   where you test two versions of something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   are many versions of something to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/341">TS</a>]

00:05:42   what gets people to click on offers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/342">TS</a>]

00:05:44   the process by which the greeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46   Harvard you know get well in anniversary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/346">TS</a>]

00:05:50   holiday stuff is composed in the factory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/350">TS</a>]

00:05:52   for which mr. Winslow works is is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/352">TS</a>]

00:05:55   i mean almost identical to what i welded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/355">TS</a>]

00:05:58   I i wonder if you work today well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   what time it strikes what struck me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/360">TS</a>]

00:06:01   about the greeting card company which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/361">TS</a>]

00:06:03   an interesting sort of at the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/363">TS</a>]

00:06:04   we we meet him and he's working in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/364">TS</a>]

00:06:06   greeting card company sort of you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   the sense he's a he's a failed writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10   and we actually then flashback I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/370">TS</a>]

00:06:11   further and talk about his childhood and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/371">TS</a>]

00:06:14   what's led him to this point what struck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/374">TS</a>]

00:06:16   me about it is is have working in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/376">TS</a>]

00:06:18   magazine industry the you end up getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20   very displaced in time where you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/380">TS</a>]

00:06:23   working on your holiday gift guide in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25   the summertime we have a summer intern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/385">TS</a>]

00:06:28   this year who was working on our holiday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/388">TS</a>]

00:06:30   guide which always seems insane but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/390">TS</a>]

00:06:32   that's the way you have to do it now at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/392">TS</a>]

00:06:34   max black world magazine you decorate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/394">TS</a>]

00:06:36   the office for the season in which the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/396">TS</a>]

00:06:38   publications are coming out right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/398">TS</a>]

00:06:40   because right now we're all correctly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/400">TS</a>]

00:06:42   it's August in your office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/402">TS</a>]

00:06:44   well that that is one of the amusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/404">TS</a>]

00:06:45   things about the about the greeting card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/405">TS</a>]

00:06:46   companies that they like pipe in the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/406">TS</a>]

00:06:49   cold air in the middle of summer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/409">TS</a>]

00:06:52   make everybody freeze and they put up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/412">TS</a>]

00:06:53   Chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/413">TS</a>]

00:06:54   with decorations but anyway I've lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/414">TS</a>]

00:06:55   that sort of displacement where your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/415">TS</a>]

00:06:57   head is in the holidays and it's August [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/417">TS</a>]

00:07:00   so I thought that was I thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/420">TS</a>]

00:07:01   a strange little little bit this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/421">TS</a>]

00:07:03   this book was written by dr. Palmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/423">TS</a>]

00:07:06   while he was what I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/426">TS</a>]

00:07:08   procrastinating from doing his his his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/428">TS</a>]

00:07:11   PhD thesis at you know which i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/431">TS</a>]

00:07:15   kind of interesting so you not written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/435">TS</a>]

00:07:16   by a young guy written by a guy who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/436">TS</a>]

00:07:19   probably you know 30 or a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/439">TS</a>]

00:07:22   over 30 and and so we probably had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24   interesting life experiences that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   kind of poured into this so it's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28   modern ones too like he obviously has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/448">TS</a>]

00:07:29   some dot-com experience because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31   so many aspects of this that legacy idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   what AOL thing that greeted the magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/453">TS</a>]

00:07:35   things like some part of access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/455">TS</a>]

00:07:38   publications online things where he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/458">TS</a>]

00:07:40   retelling a story there's a bit in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/460">TS</a>]

00:07:43   he's trying to explain something to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/463">TS</a>]

00:07:44   sister by drawing diagrams on cards it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/464">TS</a>]

00:07:47   a marvelous but we should talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/467">TS</a>]

00:07:48   more that whole part of town but the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/468">TS</a>]

00:07:51   notion of using sort of like PowerPoint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/471">TS</a>]

00:07:53   presentations and using simplified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/473">TS</a>]

00:07:55   things that try to explain everything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/475">TS</a>]

00:07:57   get people to buy into ideas is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   taut commies so there's definitely it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/479">TS</a>]

00:08:02   like a steampunk feel it's like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   what happened if if we had steampunk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/484">TS</a>]

00:08:06   the 2001 dot-com collapse actually cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/486">TS</a>]

00:08:09   like the collapse of society as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11   and i read somewhere that Dexter Palmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/491">TS</a>]

00:08:14   was I don't know if he still is employed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16   writing questions for the s80 yes yes oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/496">TS</a>]

00:08:20   well that's the thing that's where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   question thing comes from because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/502">TS</a>]

00:08:24   that process of recia ova like through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/504">TS</a>]

00:08:26   the crucible you come up with an idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   and it has looked up by other people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/508">TS</a>]

00:08:29   crunched is something that is possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/509">TS</a>]

00:08:31   recognizable to your original but has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/511">TS</a>]

00:08:33   be acceptable to these arbiters that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/513">TS</a>]

00:08:35   fought far higher levels above you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/515">TS</a>]

00:08:38   so one of the strange things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/518">TS</a>]

00:08:39   setting this book is that we have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/519">TS</a>]

00:08:41   like I said it's the early 20th century [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/521">TS</a>]

00:08:43   basically and it's the indeed the age of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/523">TS</a>]

00:08:46   miracles has passed but now there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/526">TS</a>]

00:08:48   industrial age that's led by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/528">TS</a>]

00:08:49   industrialists and inventors like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/529">TS</a>]

00:08:52   prospero taligent except what what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/532">TS</a>]

00:08:55   event is so strange like the when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57   when young Harold Winslow well I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/537">TS</a>]

00:09:02   there's a whole Willy Wonka whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/542">TS</a>]

00:09:04   Charlie and the Chocolate Factory thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/544">TS</a>]

00:09:05   happening here to where a young Harold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/545">TS</a>]

00:09:07   slow is at a carnival where we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/547">TS</a>]

00:09:09   horrible things are happening to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/549">TS</a>]

00:09:11   sister by the way I mean there's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/551">TS</a>]

00:09:14   there is too much although she's a she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/554">TS</a>]

00:09:16   a participant in that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/556">TS</a>]

00:09:17   she is she got three dollars out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/557">TS</a>]

00:09:20   she should have held out for more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/560">TS</a>]

00:09:21   according to his father three dollars in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/561">TS</a>]

00:09:22   the tunnel of love but he passes he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/562">TS</a>]

00:09:26   passes a test he walks away from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/566">TS</a>]

00:09:28   rest of the carnival one goes up into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/568">TS</a>]

00:09:29   this viewing chamber where he these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/569">TS</a>]

00:09:34   guys show him the the tower and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/574">TS</a>]

00:09:36   showed me Miranda out on her balcony on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/576">TS</a>]

00:09:39   the tower and and then he basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/579">TS</a>]

00:09:43   through this sort of like test that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/583">TS</a>]

00:09:44   passes which is again a very roald dahl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/584">TS</a>]

00:09:48   kind of thing right there eight is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/588">TS</a>]

00:09:50   cruel test also IDK yet as a demon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/590">TS</a>]

00:09:53   appears at his house and that's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   a robotic demon that wanders into his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/595">TS</a>]

00:09:59   house and then sparks itself there for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/599">TS</a>]

00:10:02   week so strange and then eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/602">TS</a>]

00:10:04   wakes up unfurls its wings and flies him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/604">TS</a>]

00:10:08   to the top of the tower it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/608">TS</a>]

00:10:10   terrifying terrifying scenes and flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/610">TS</a>]

00:10:13   in this beautiful way or jet packs like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15   it squeezes and practically the death as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/615">TS</a>]

00:10:17   he hurtles through the aircraft to land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/617">TS</a>]

00:10:19   in spanish on this roof unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/619">TS</a>]

00:10:21   none of the children are killed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23   process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/623">TS</a>]

00:10:23   well it turns out the more ways all got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/623">TS</a>]

00:10:25   demons and the girls all got angels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27   so that's what we're doing that had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/627">TS</a>]

00:10:29   Shanna no no not at all i wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/629">TS</a>]

00:10:32   bring up a really good point your Kafka [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/632">TS</a>]

00:10:35   let's bring a cop good because that's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/635">TS</a>]

00:10:36   release it in time for Kafka it's Africa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/636">TS</a>]

00:10:39   it's always time for Kafka it's and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/639">TS</a>]

00:10:42   play the cop car horn it was right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   the car before we like to mention Kafka [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/644">TS</a>]

00:10:47   actually zakappa belt so I back in high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   school teacher said to me in a class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51   that in every coffee story things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53   going along normally with the exception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   of let's say the metamorphosis which the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   main character awakes to find himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/657">TS</a>]

00:10:58   transformed into a giant cockroach with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/658">TS</a>]

00:11:00   the exception of that in every Kafka [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/660">TS</a>]

00:11:02   short story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/662">TS</a>]

00:11:03   things seem sort of normal and then a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/663">TS</a>]

00:11:05   bell rings or some transitional sound or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/665">TS</a>]

00:11:07   thing happens and then you go into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/667">TS</a>]

00:11:09   mind of the unconscious and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11   is bizarre horses come out of this tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13   opening and whatever and so same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/673">TS</a>]

00:11:15   is true like not that the world is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/675">TS</a>]

00:11:16   normal and 0 ville but it's this he goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/676">TS</a>]

00:11:19   through a door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/679">TS</a>]

00:11:20   because he's the one who was going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22   through that door and then his world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/682">TS</a>]

00:11:24   never the same like that one decision he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/684">TS</a>]

00:11:25   made that point he took in which he sees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/685">TS</a>]

00:11:28   unseeable things in this telescope and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/688">TS</a>]

00:11:30   views you know this brand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32   transforms in life into what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   essentially plays out until the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   the book at the beginning and end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   the interesting thing is that that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   happens towards the beginning of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/700">TS</a>]

00:11:42   book but he the character is already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   past that point because the book is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/704">TS</a>]

00:11:47   flashback right so write my book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49   actually begins at that point but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/709">TS</a>]

00:11:51   point happens happens later in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/711">TS</a>]

00:11:53   at one of the one of the things i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/713">TS</a>]

00:11:56   appropriately enough to mention now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   i thought was fascinating about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/718">TS</a>]

00:11:59   beginning of this book is that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/719">TS</a>]

00:12:01   discusses it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/721">TS</a>]

00:12:03   oh just directly he discusses how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/723">TS</a>]

00:12:06   is the story of how he got to be himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/726">TS</a>]

00:12:08   and I've actually it's one of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/728">TS</a>]

00:12:10   highlights that I made in this book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/730">TS</a>]

00:12:12   we've got decided that the only way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/732">TS</a>]

00:12:15   make sense of our existences is to set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17   the stories of our lives down on paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/737">TS</a>]

00:12:18   to try to make one tale that shows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/738">TS</a>]

00:12:21   the 20th century turned Harold Winslow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/741">TS</a>]

00:12:23   into Harold Winslow into Harold Winslow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/743">TS</a>]

00:12:27   into me and how the end it's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/747">TS</a>]

00:12:31   because that's really how he views it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/751">TS</a>]

00:12:32   that there's the guy who's on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/752">TS</a>]

00:12:34   Zeppelin and he he looks back on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/754">TS</a>]

00:12:37   life and he said well I'm not the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/757">TS</a>]

00:12:38   guy who had the adventures with Miranda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/758">TS</a>]

00:12:41   and I'm not the same guy who was the kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/761">TS</a>]

00:12:42   at the telescope but it is all his life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/762">TS</a>]

00:12:45   and and I thought that was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/765">TS</a>]

00:12:46   interesting that he's he's talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/766">TS</a>]

00:12:48   you know these are the events that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/768">TS</a>]

00:12:50   string together in my life and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/770">TS</a>]

00:12:53   know they're chopped up almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/773">TS</a>]

00:12:54   they're from different people's lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/774">TS</a>]

00:12:56   but they're not it's the one guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   that theme is further explored when a at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/778">TS</a>]

00:13:01   the end of the book a Harold is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/781">TS</a>]

00:13:04   and thinking he's going to save Miranda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   and he encounters the portrait maker job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/786">TS</a>]

00:13:11   it is to create a so prospero taligent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/791">TS</a>]

00:13:14   who has a weird relationship with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/794">TS</a>]

00:13:16   daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/796">TS</a>]

00:13:17   yeah just at least has hired this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/797">TS</a>]

00:13:21   sculptor to create the perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/801">TS</a>]

00:13:23   representation of Miranda right and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/803">TS</a>]

00:13:27   over the course of 25 years he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/807">TS</a>]

00:13:29   continually create sculpture after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/809">TS</a>]

00:13:32   sculpture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/812">TS</a>]

00:13:33   Brenda trying to capture the perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/813">TS</a>]

00:13:36   representation and he he gets one and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38   shows it to Prospero and Prospero says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/818">TS</a>]

00:13:41   you'll get your money I'll pay you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/821">TS</a>]

00:13:43   what I've contracted but you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   captured miranda is she was six months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/825">TS</a>]

00:13:47   ago now that she is now and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/827">TS</a>]

00:13:50   whole theme of kind of people changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52   and you can never freeze time you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/832">TS</a>]

00:13:55   to continually go forward and everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/835">TS</a>]

00:13:57   keeps changing I think runs through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/837">TS</a>]

00:13:59   book in many ways right right although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/839">TS</a>]

00:14:01   in the end I suppose you depending on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/841">TS</a>]

00:14:03   how you view it you could say that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/843">TS</a>]

00:14:04   they did finally succeed but only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/844">TS</a>]

00:14:09   horrible horrible fast well I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/849">TS</a>]

00:14:11   back up to the different sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/851">TS</a>]

00:14:13   metaphor a mechanism all right to which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15   is that you know obviously this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/855">TS</a>]

00:14:17   supposed to be you know he's using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/857">TS</a>]

00:14:19   character names from the tempest from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/859">TS</a>]

00:14:22   shakespeare's the tempest and re-do our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/862">TS</a>]

00:14:24   listeners I'm sure are familiar with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/864">TS</a>]

00:14:25   play I've seen multiple productions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/865">TS</a>]

00:14:27   it and it's you know it's one of I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/867">TS</a>]

00:14:29   Shakespeare's most interesting plays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/869">TS</a>]

00:14:31   written if i remember it was it was his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/871">TS</a>]

00:14:33   last play was near the end of his life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35   believed to be the last plane as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/875">TS</a>]

00:14:36   wrote by himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/876">TS</a>]

00:14:37   yes and it's fascinating because it's um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39   it's you know it's got great it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   place someone island but it's got this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/881">TS</a>]

00:14:42   great scope of of magic intensity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/882">TS</a>]

00:14:45   relationship to the father-daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/885">TS</a>]

00:14:46   there's the dignified missing mother as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/886">TS</a>]

00:14:49   always there's a man taking all his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/889">TS</a>]

00:14:52   powers and throwing them away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/892">TS</a>]

00:14:54   imagine the entire all set six seasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/894">TS</a>]

00:14:57   of lost squash it down to one play that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/897">TS</a>]

00:15:01   sort of it isn't that like until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/901">TS</a>]

00:15:03   shed and so so probably no such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   tempest The Tempest is an incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07   treasure trove that authors have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/907">TS</a>]

00:15:09   plundered and alluded to for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/909">TS</a>]

00:15:11   hundreds of years you know at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/911">TS</a>]

00:15:13   prosperous books is a fascinating as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/913">TS</a>]

00:15:15   peter greenaway almost unwatchable as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/915">TS</a>]

00:15:18   most of greenways work but insightful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/918">TS</a>]

00:15:21   into different aspects of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/921">TS</a>]

00:15:22   personality of the music music magician [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/922">TS</a>]

00:15:25   the Creator the snow sexual being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/925">TS</a>]

00:15:28   relationship of a parent child's role so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/928">TS</a>]

00:15:31   it's this great source material and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33   think that's one of the things that I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35   think he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/935">TS</a>]

00:15:36   Palmer does best is he's not a slave to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/936">TS</a>]

00:15:39   the plot of the play and as you read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/939">TS</a>]

00:15:42   book further you realize that this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/942">TS</a>]

00:15:44   just an accent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/944">TS</a>]

00:15:45   it's not the the novelist dexter Palmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/945">TS</a>]

00:15:48   imposing his will on a narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/948">TS</a>]

00:15:51   structure try to recast in fact as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/951">TS</a>]

00:15:53   get further in the book you realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/953">TS</a>]

00:15:55   his character prospero taligent who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/955">TS</a>]

00:15:58   imposed his will inside of the book on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/958">TS</a>]

00:16:00   the character asset that's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/960">TS</a>]

00:16:02   conceit that we don't know if his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   was originally pasta Prospero he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   not recall in the book he talks at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/966">TS</a>]

00:16:07   point about your coming to being that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/967">TS</a>]

00:16:10   into existence as an adult he does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   recall having a child is not believe he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   had 1i which goes back to the whole idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16   that you you know I'm not the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/976">TS</a>]

00:16:18   person as that person in fact here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/978">TS</a>]

00:16:20   Glenn to your point they're one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/980">TS</a>]

00:16:22   lines that i highlighted in the book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/982">TS</a>]

00:16:24   is when Harold is talking to his sister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/984">TS</a>]

00:16:26   and he mentions prospero taligent she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/986">TS</a>]

00:16:30   says now he probably named himself that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   he was probably a teenager looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34   through a book of Shakespeare place or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/994">TS</a>]

00:16:35   something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/995">TS</a>]

00:16:36   doing a homework assignment and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/996">TS</a>]

00:16:37   pointed his finger at a page and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/997">TS</a>]

00:16:39   there that's the name I want and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/999">TS</a>]

00:16:41   person i'm going to pretend to be any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:44   called himself telligent because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:45   likes failed Apple IBM joint programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   that was my thinking yes exactly who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:50   doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:51   so the play does not for my structural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   narrative now i'm in infected is get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:56   counter purposes with the play that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:58   narrative the book and you see that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1018">TS</a>]

00:16:59   is part of Prospero taligent as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:02   puppet master as trying to fulfill a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:04   destiny as a magician as creating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:07   himself as a magician who can accomplish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:09   modern miracles is the only man left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:11   apparently in that world who can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   and by doing so he's trying to reform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:15   the world into his own image and using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:18   the names like Caliban and Miranda and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:20   creating a giant tower that is island in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22   which you can create conditions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   nature and illusion in the room that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   Miranda plays and all of these things go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   into into that built into that that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:31   the character stealing the story as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:35   opposed to the novelist imposing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:36   right and and the critical point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:39   you know so we mentioned that Harold has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:42   a demon appears that heralds home and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:45   takes them to this party and at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:47   party that Prospero is having for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:49   Miranda he has his gift in quotes to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:53   children at the party is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:55   a hundred children he promises that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:57   will give them their hearts desire which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59   is in fact not what they might want but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:02   what he feels that they really want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:04   so he tells these all the kids that well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:07   he's but he's right he's right it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:10   treated horrible horrible stuff that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:12   children can predict what if someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:13   plucked that idea out of your mind and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:15   said the thing that you want most even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:17   the things you can't express you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:19   never express to someone else is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:21   thing that you'll get that that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:22   curse not on a reward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:24   yeah he's it's creepy and he he then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:27   proceeded to give that gift a court not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:30   immediately to all the children but over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:32   the the entire span of their lives till [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:34   the point at which Harold is the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:37   one who hasn't yet received his heart's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   desire because Prospero has something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:42   very particular planned for Harold which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:46   leads into also some of the strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:47   things that happen where we see the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:48   men from the telescope again and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:51   a fake kidnapping blend it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:54   we think it's well it is fake isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:55   yeah there's a fake kidnapping and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:58   there's a friend you know Harold just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:01   put in a position where he can rescue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:02   Miranda and and at that point in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:05   hindsight Prospero says that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:07   moment when you were the happiest you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:09   got to make a decision to save Miranda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:11   and of course the sad sad irony is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:14   he didn't make any decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:17   it was completely fabricated it felt as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:21   if the entire thing is setup and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   that's his that's his happiest moment is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:25   when he finally made a decision to save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:27   her and he wasn't saving her and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:29   wasn't really his decision to make but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:31   there's that moment where he sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:32   hesitates and his is pondering making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:35   that decision that the prosper later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:36   says that that was your moment he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:38   hesitates for a full five minutes while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:41   the guys are like stalling in the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:43   room and arguing with each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:46   another thing in that in a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:48   latter part of the of the novel that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:50   thought was fascinating was the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:51   that the there's a a rebellion against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:56   prosper intelligent and his creations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:58   we're a bunch of guys dress up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:00   mechanical men but they're not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:02   guys in mechanical men outfits and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:04   I just going to be making of the Tin Man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:06   yeah I killed those disgusting people up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:08   it's like mobs of guys dressed up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:10   the Tin Man beating the crap out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12   everybody and handwriting sorcerers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:15   apprentice thing like intelligent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:17   creates this role for his men to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:20   this you know it's almost like colleges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:21   doing you know murder mysteries a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:24   for-hire like he gets his staff to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:28   act out the roles he's doing it but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30   doesn't actually I think about it he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:32   got people acting out rules all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:33   and every story prospero taligent is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:36   storyteller even though in the book what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:38   he does is he's creating machinery and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:41   wealth and manipulating things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   that's true in the play to that Prospero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   tell stories his words have power become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:48   reality because he is the magician same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50   role here just with technology instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   of ostensibly instead of magic but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54   Prospero you know sets these men a task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:56   but then one of them gets the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:58   this is what it should be that he's lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:00   sight of these it doesn't even matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:01   anymore whether he's playing the role or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:04   it's real it has become real he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   transcended this role that was given to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:08   him and he creates this mass movement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   even while Prospero is telling another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:12   story that drives people insane when and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:15   angers the entire world against him on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:17   you've got you've got so Prospero tells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:20   his story we have this book which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:23   story as told by harold as he's writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:27   it while he's on the Zeppelin he Harold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:30   himself that is sort of viewed as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32   failed writer who wanted to be a wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:36   to be a novelist and told that 222 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:39   Prospero at the birthday party but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:42   ends up being a greeting card writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:44   instead and and then with all that going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:48   on there's also this other funny moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50   where at one point at a particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:53   dreadful party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:55   Harold is introduced to another young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57   gentleman who wants to be a writer named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   dexter Palmer all right right with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:04   very post tedious being afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:07   incredibly boring yes if I don't I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:11   that I you know that say i love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   that's like the literary equivalent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:15   alfred hitchcock appearing in a cameo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:18   and is in this bill but i love that Paul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20   summer is merciless to his namesake in' [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:23   in the book he's a just an incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:26   boring college guy that has nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:29   interesting to say and that everybody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:30   trying to get away from and i would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:33   to talk about women will be talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:34   about women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:35   oh my sweet that's why everybody does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:37   podcast right as is to talk about women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:39   actually well I won't talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:41   generative function i want to be all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:43   know deconstructionist 90 days lit crit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:46   type but not precisely but I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48   to talk about you don't want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:49   about the themes of the above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   storytellers in the writers or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:52   we we covered that so i can check that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:54   box is checked that one up now we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:56   talk without generating function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:57   generator function is usually assigned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:59   to him even though it is a writer Lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:00   thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:01   Prospero being the magician in the play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   in in the tempest Prospero has to defeat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:06   that was sicker acts which kills her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:09   or puts her locks into it no kills her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:11   sort of steals her son who is then hates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:14   him his daughter Miranda supplants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:17   Caliban was this awful creature and Iran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:20   is pretty and Prospero has taken the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:22   generative function from the witch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:23   now as a male has sort of two generative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:25   functions is the function of magic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:27   he has the you know literal organ of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29   generation right so I'm being very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   liquid but it's true and I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:32   wouldn't argue that Palmer's influenced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:34   by some of these same ideas because in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:36   the book there are no mothers of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:37   Winslow's mother is gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:40   she's been transformed his father tells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:41   these insane stories we have to turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:44   into a pillar of salt but she probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:46   just ran away his sister is crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:50   his sister's friends are insane and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52   ultimately lead to her spoiler horn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:55   right spoiler letters of eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:57   yes sort of and you can talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:59   book without spoilers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:00   yeah there's also put in her answer has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   no mother ostensibly we don't know of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04   any mother she's adopted and Miranda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:06   herself is an incredibly odd duck as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:08   woman she's not allowed to express her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:10   generating function so there's all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:12   this like there's no women all the women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14   are crazy or all the women are being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:15   suppressed me Lock this little girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:17   pattern and then I find one of most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   interesting underdeveloped characters in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   the book is Ophelia one of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:22   co-workers I was gonna send ya a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:25   feeling she's like six foot tall and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:27   beautiful and creative and she's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:28   only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:29   the optimistic person in the book right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:31   so impressed with any hope and as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:34   result they're sort of ridiculous even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:35   though she could have this marvelous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37   like she's in the wrong time cityplace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:39   novel and she's she's also she repels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:42   the advances of the idiot men who she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:45   works with and and yeah when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47   mentioned we mentioned no women in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:48   book I was gonna say well there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:50   filia and she's you know speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:52   characters named for Shakespeare plays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:55   and but she's and she's not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:58   other female characters and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:00   like anybody else in the book basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:02   that's true she's awesome i love you i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:04   like the book of her life and positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:06   novel in which there's creativity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:08   she's living a I want all the history of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10   affiliate because she is interesting I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:11   mean that is part of the problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:13   the novel for me is that is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:15   start out ice usually start when i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:17   a book I whether it's nonfiction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:19   fiction i assume there will likely be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:21   interesting characters and possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:22   likable ones but when i finish this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:25   I wasn't sure that I liked except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:26   feel perhaps anybody in it at all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:29   and that I always find that disturbing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:30   phenomenon that I get to the end I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32   like oh I really wasn't even the where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   my sympathies were with one of the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:35   like Winslow is such an antihero that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:38   don't even like him at the end really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   not much Scott are you blown away by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:44   lens analysis I I beach less I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:47   trying to think if there are any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   characters in the book that I like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:51   mean I like I kind of like prospero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:54   taligent even though I know he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:56   you're not supposed to like him but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:59   feel sorry for him and like him at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:01   same time because he wants to he spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:03   so much time building the future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:06   then he decides and this has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:09   probably good and so he wants to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11   frozen for a hundred years it in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:14   machine that he builds around by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:17   sacrificing his daughter but the machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:20   is failing so his lifework is amounts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:24   nothing and one assumes at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:27   Harold tells us that hairline cracks are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:30   appearing around the glass that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:31   pieces the the frozen body uh Prospero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:35   so you you know that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:37   things are not going to end well for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:38   anybody so it's kind of sad that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:41   spent so much time trying to improve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:42   world and he does he I don't be improved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:46   and nobody tried to any kind of turns it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:48   into this this horrible place that no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:51   one is happy and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:54   mechanical men are going running rampant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:56   and all the mobs of the mobs of the fake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:59   mechanical man are reaching the rooftop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   of his tower so that basically people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   are rebelling against his technology as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:05   he's wants to depart on the Zeppelin but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:07   he asked to be shot dead first so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:10   he can then be cryogenically frozen when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:13   you see and it's all I've it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   falling apart but in the end the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:17   perpetual motion machine is running down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19   its not a perpetual motion machine in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:22   the end his his cryogenic chamber is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:25   failing so it all it you know it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:28   comes apart 44 prosper despite all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:31   his best intense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:32   oh and we should mention his other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:33   creation Caliban who is basically before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:37   before that I want to start us back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   the generative function thing is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:40   yes please let's see that they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:42   met with Mencius ok so this is no but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44   this is I think this is intended i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   there's a lot of a whip cream style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   stuff in the books I think he's trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   to get a reading that is something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:51   this when you know it when prosperous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:54   seizes the generative function right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:55   he's gotten you know women produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:56   babies men are supposed to start the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:58   process and that's it in the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   superficial way can render that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   and Prospero taligent by having sees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:05   that function bye-bye to generate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:07   everything generates is imperfect he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09   cannot create his childhood officer he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   cannot create perfection of her he must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:12   destroy her to create his wrong in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:15   perfect vision his dynamos fail his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:17   Zeppelin fails his plans ultimately come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:20   to not because as a man he's not allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22   to create things that are new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24   I mean that's the structure which allows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:25   criticism occurs in and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:27   intentional that he lacks the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:30   empathy he lacks not just love women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:32   feelings but he lacks the component [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:34   there's no partnership with it he is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:36   Dominator he's trying to take control is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:37   trying to seize from nature or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   and it is inevitably going to fail as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41   result and I mean that's set up also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:43   early in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:44   hair hat Harold is listening to a radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:47   in his bed and he's flipping through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:51   channels and we hear bits and pieces of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:53   the broadcast and one of the broadcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55   is coming from the top of television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:57   tower where Prospero is unveiling a an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1737">TS</a>]

00:29:01   airship that he thinks they've gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03   the kinks worked out of and so the mayor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:06   is 0v land like mrs. 0 billboard the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:10   aircraft and you know pageantry and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:13   then explodes and jeans they are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:16   died and prospers like my bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:18   so hehe forgotten already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:22   yeah it's not good in there other was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:27   onnn in that same scene there is on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:30   radio there's an interview where a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32   presenter is talking to some scientists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   and he's like oh we've just created this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:36   drink that you drink and it will give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:38   you a full meal and you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:39   worry and the woman's like oh that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:41   amazing and so she drinks it and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:42   says is I taste the steak and the guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:45   like oh yeah that's what you're supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:46   to taste and she says oh I feel so full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:48   and the scientists like yes it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:51   well and then she says oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:53   physical / full what have you done to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:56   that the transmission ends which i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:59   is very well really wanna thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:01   Willy Wonka again we're getting you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03   it's not that not accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05   no no notnot there's definitely that yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:08   again failure you know nature trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   subvert nature the failure you cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:12   make things you can even there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:13   tyrosine and typesetting shop near and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:15   dear to my heart of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:16   so even though they have the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:18   there apparently still setting type by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:19   hand which i love with LED type so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:22   great contrasts even though i may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:24   doing that in a classroom taking right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   now I'm doing that purposely not as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   commercial venture and I robot is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:30   ironically i've seen you contributed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:32   ironically when my fingers are crushed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34   in the rollers those are ironic fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:36   being crushed by the spread of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:38   Technology March the midst of the scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:40   with the keys where Harold job is to sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:43   there to make sure that typesetting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:44   metal men don't go insane or berserk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:46   while they're doing routine projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:48   overnight is many tunes and here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:51   Miranda broadcasting but again it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:53   it's just this nothing can be nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:56   goes right in the book even you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58   television hasn't really improved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1858">TS</a>]

00:30:59   everyone's life in fact he sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:01   increasingly ruined everyone's life in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03   the world by automating functions that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:05   were performed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:06   fuckers that now I have no jobs and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:09   not seen as a force of good not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:10   that he's evil and I sort of beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:13   morality by being you know and so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:15   charge of things but he's just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:17   actually really helping anybody not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:18   himself in the end and to get a title of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:22   the book not to bring it all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:23   around to that but it's the dream of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:26   perpetual motion right and it right away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:28   we're told that the perpetual motion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:30   machine is probably although it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:33   promised no no it's a professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:35   motion machine it really it's gonna just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:36   keep on running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:37   Harold is up there in this episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   saying it's not know I'm getting closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   to the ground here so it that the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:44   dream of perpetual motion is a failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:46   it and it is the sort of cat the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:49   crowning achievement of Prospero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   intelligence high aspirations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:55   bandaged it is the crowning failure of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:58   his life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1918">TS</a>]

00:31:59   oh i think there's a mystery encoded in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   that part 2 I wanted to ask you fellows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:02   because somewhere around two-thirds away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:05   in the book uh there's a point at which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:07   the book i think becomes enormously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:09   better become sort of an action story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:10   and I and I really zoom through the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:12   of the book at that point I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14   about this point it's 10 years before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   the Zeppelin's seen if i'm remembering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18   right and I the there's a report that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:21   comes out this is a prospectus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:23   television just told the staff of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:24   company that he is working on you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:25   devoting his aims to creating a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27   perpetual motion machine and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29   thinking machines machines really fought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   and remembering that right i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:32   remember but I think these are key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:33   points because at the end of the book as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:35   is revealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:36   Harold believes that Miranda has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:39   transformed she's been physically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:40   transformed by a process is want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:42   describe because words are killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:45   things that by describing he destroys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:46   the thing that's been created again with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:49   you know the generative sup and so she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:52   may be the perpetual motion machine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   although she is running down we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:55   know about what process she works but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:57   thought part of it was hidden in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1977">TS</a>]

00:32:59   was the announcement that was made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:01   leak from inside the company i assumed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:03   from the very first moment I open this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:05   book when i first read about Miranda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:07   being extensively bodyless he cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:09   find his don't know where she's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:10   Zeppelin she's talking continuously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:12   without cease and he will not speak to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:15   her when it will read that part of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:16   oh well prosper is probably turned into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18   her into some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:19   machine brain and she's running the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:21   Zeppelin that's the great secret and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:23   the end of the book i was like maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25   like well maybe that was what supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   to be intense she's not only become this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:28   creature that is beyond description that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:31   maybe breathe hydrogen for all Harold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:33   knows or understands but that she is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:35   also mechanical what do you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:37   that my reading too much in it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39   create a mechanical Miranda when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:42   uh here since the playroom right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:45   Harold Miranda play together in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47   playroom and Harold's favorite part is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:50   when so Prospero also has sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:53   mechanical monsters in for them to fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:55   in you know so they can pretend to fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:57   him and Harold protects Miranda and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2037">TS</a>]

00:34:01   one point Harold comes across Miranda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:04   and she's crying and she says don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:05   touch me don't touch me and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:06   ripping out her hair and bleeding all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   over and Harold doesn't know what to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   and then Miranda peeks out from behind a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:13   tree and says silly you were trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:14   save the monster has a great moment so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:18   mean clearly he could have created a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:20   mechanical Miranda and but it will take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:23   it wherever Miranda came from though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:24   mean by the end she is essentially his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:27   creation because he's right he's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:29   he's taken her apart and turned her into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:31   the dr his his ultimate intention them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:34   at the perpetual motion machine which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:37   which is you know his control he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:39   want to change he doesn't want to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:40   a woman that doesn't go so well and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:44   then he he decides he's gonna transform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   her into something else which you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48   apparently doesn't go so well either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:50   although Glenn it's something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:52   mentioned you know the way the bookends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:55   is that Harold starts he says hello to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:58   Miranda right which has refused to speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2098">TS</a>]

00:34:59   to her the entire time and that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:02   she wants so there is that question to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:04   at the end is is you know is that a is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:08   that important is that a transformative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:10   act that that may be what's going on in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:12   the Zeppelin you know is happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:15   because he refuses to speak to her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:16   acknowledge her presence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:17   oh so that's a very good i hadn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19   thought about that she's running down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:20   because right that you need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:22   interplay that's my prosper wanted him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:24   on board he didn't need Harold to be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:26   board he wanted to fill his dream but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   he'd already sorted fulfilled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:30   is you know dearest wish earlier sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:32   what he says the happiest you've been I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:34   mean I like the whole bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:35   prosperous halogen says I'm not giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37   you what you want i'm giving you it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:39   he says I'm not giving you something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:42   makes you happy i'm giving you what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:43   want which is that for ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:46   praying everything so prosperous setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:48   that Harold doesn't want to save Miranda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:51   he wants that moment where he's about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:54   save marantz right and so that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   he's on the Zeppelin he can never find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2158">TS</a>]

00:35:58   he knows she's there oh he's always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   continually exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:02   well it is also by the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   mechanical thing I was thinking there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:06   a part when he and the portrait maker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:08   prosper in the portrait maker are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:10   setting 18 months disassembling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:12   physically disassembling Brandon doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:14   terrible things to her as they say he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:17   says at some point the portrait maker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:18   describes prosperous saying like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:20   now now you have FX about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:22   information sent matrix you know mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:24   essentially the brain and I'm thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:26   well that's the point at which they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:28   eliminated her that they've you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:29   they've disassembled Miranda the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:31   that they have removed to her brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33   maybe they digitize that maybe they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35   done something but that's inevitable we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:37   don't know but where is transformed into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:39   something different i'm thinking that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:40   it's not something as simple as he made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:41   her an Android but he took her out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:44   the realm of you know pure physicality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46   to transcend into you know this flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:50   machine whatever it does being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52   impossible perpetual motion machine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:55   I think you know thinking about this now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:56   Prospero has spent his entire life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:58   changing the world so that he could stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:02   it right because everything he wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:04   stop Miranda from growing up and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:05   wants to stop himself from dying so he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:08   constantly using change in order to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:11   freeze a moment in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:13   that's very good I have a degree in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:15   English Oh Bravo my degree is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:18   pretentiousness kid yourself Martin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:21   upside-down arts I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:23   same thing so as the guy with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:27   communication degree i will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:29   communicate to you in this book know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:31   this book is is is hard rowing at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:34   points right i mean i-i would find that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:36   it was I would read a chapter and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:39   would still have 20 more minutes on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:41   bus ride and i would say to myself I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43   I can't read another chapter oh good you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   2i I the hardest time getting through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   the first two-thirds to three-quarters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:48   on this book it it wasn't as if i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:51   having a hard time reading the chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:53   it's just after a chapter was complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:55   they were so much in it and I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57   almost exhausted like I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:59   ya know I can't do more of this right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:01   now because it's it's you know it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   dense at points i think actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:06   beautifully written although at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:09   point that you could argue over written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:10   but I i but i really liked that he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:14   you know it it's not often you read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:17   book that that where the author is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:19   trying so hard to write interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:22   things in interesting ways and I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:24   appreciated it and at moments I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:26   really taken by the beauty of what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:28   was writing just the way he was writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:29   it but I would you know it was so it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:32   not a slog in the sense that i was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:33   the middle of a chapter and I with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35   eyes are crossing and I just couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:36   bear to go on and I get to the end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:37   be like wow I need to I i'm not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:40   read another one till tomorrow because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:42   need to take a little break and think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:43   about what I just what i just read so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:46   that goes on and you end and it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:48   pick up as you go I think that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:50   Glenn that that that things start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:51   move a little bit faster i kept waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53   for more Zeppelin I wanted you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:55   me I wanted more Zeppelin's but then at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:59   the very end when you're reaching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:01   climax and it's literally as Harold is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:03   climbing to the top of the tower that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:05   have these two encounters the giant male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:08   tower i'm sorry the message any member [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:10   of your piercing the sky its you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:12   sec you'll and yes we got it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:15   I didn't get that uh they he's trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:17   make the boy Palmer we're uh so so he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:20   ascending it the tower and we have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   two encounters with these guys who tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:25   stories and they're kinda long they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:27   fascinating but there they basically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29   plot is paused so that we can go back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:31   time from a different perspective and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:33   you've mentioned the one which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:35   portrait maker who creates these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:37   sculptures and then eventually aids and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:39   abets Prospero in the modification of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:41   Miranda into the perpetual motion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:43   machine but there's also the guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:45   works in like the coal pit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:47   oh my god alone is not controlled fish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:50   floor yet the coal pit being of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   at the top of the building a sensible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:53   place orders from or something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:55   where you would put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:56   the culture i put i put all of my yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:59   kool my smoke like probably workers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:03   always on the hunt Rossler i'm not on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:05   the top floors of the building but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:06   anyway it that when we haven't talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   about that that's another I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:10   know you grind the story to hold a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:12   little bit to a halt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:14   but that was that story seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:17   basically the story of the room the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:20   truth of Miranda at least as much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:23   truth is Miranda was allowed to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25   which is but she has these repeated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:28   sexual liaisons with the the guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:31   works in the coal fire pit room whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:35   it is and i thought it was interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:37   that we we hear that story and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:39   hear the story about you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:42   perfectionist vision of Prospero and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:46   he wants to have Miranda appear and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:49   preceded by the story that's really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   real down-and-dirty story of a guy who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:53   you know covered in coal dust and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   this girl comes to him and they take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   tumble in the in the piles of coal and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59   how over and over again covered in cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:02   and it's just sort of fascinating under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:03   rid of a hot sex scene about making love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:06   on a cold mountain that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:08   you haven't you haven't lived checkin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   there are many men who have a call here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:13   comal tax check finally I can check that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:16   one off the Zeppelin's and the coal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   mound sex scene home if that doesn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:21   you to buy this book I don't know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:23   going on hey we missed a if I may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:25   interject as having to do a stream talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:28   about Astrid liaison III she's on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30   list it so Harold sister Astrid who is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:33   an artist like a performance artist who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:36   is like Ariel Ariel from the play that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:39   the sprite the magical sprite in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:41   play right well done well played okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:43   thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:44   and she's an artist and she's surrounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:47   she's surrounded by absolutely horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:49   horrible coast of RT people and actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:53   i loved i love those scenes and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:55   they can make your eyes cross because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:59   doesn't just say you know they said its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:01   usual pretentious crap that people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:03   that these things he has the pages of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:05   dialogue of the pretentious crap he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:08   writes the pretentious craft for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:09   and it's it's and i loved it because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:12   made me laugh so much because I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:14   I I like i said i have a communication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:16   degree and it's the kind of degree you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:18   get when you hear people talk like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:20   people in ad asteroids party and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:23   actually if I can if I can quote from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:26   briefly Glenn if you only on me but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28   just point out your art communications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30   and english i think each of us knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   precisely the particular flavor of bull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:35   yes yes involved but accidents doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:37   here is liberating language from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   patriarchy is this how critics talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   Harold's idea of an art critic of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:43   someone who wanders through a gallery in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:44   waves his arm in the general direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:45   of a painting while saying notice the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47   diagonal Astrid Charmaine says uh to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:52   Harold realizes that we live in a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   in which and enduring patriarchal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:56   hegemony there's my favorite word from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:58   comm class has transformed the woman's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:01   voice into a commodity x reprimanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:04   her own language and giving it a body as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:05   Astrid has done here she embraces that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:07   patriarchal desire to commodify while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:10   subversively reaping the benefits of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:12   that commodification oh that is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:15   perfect it's also accurate if you strip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:17   all the other individuals from it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19   a description it's not BS i mean it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21   it is it is phrased in the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:24   language and yet she's not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:25   nonsense she is saying exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:27   astronauts doing so asteroids art ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:30   up being something that she sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:32   lifts from Harold in their conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:35   in the silence bar which we also should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:38   talk about this bar but before we get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:40   the silence bar it's fast because she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:42   ends up building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:43   eh-eh-eh-eh sound sound sculpture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:48   because Carol goes on this rant that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   know again I mean there's so much here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:51   that we keep we keep bouncing around he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:53   goes on this rant about sounds and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:55   there are more sounds and every day as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:57   the industry creates new things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:59   there are more sounds at some point he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:01   concerned that that all the sounds will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:03   cancel each other out and then we'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:05   billions of machines everywhere and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:08   will be completely silent because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10   nothing but noise and chance he wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:13   shut out all the sound that's a kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:14   a go a theme here that's how he goes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:17   in the telescope it will escape the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:18   noise of the heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:20   Prospero calls back to that when he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:21   this is how you get away from the noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:22   myself one is perfectly quiet and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:26   course over time that breaks down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:27   noise creeps into the supplement to as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:29   the perpetual motion machine and as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   Harold Harold has a series of recurring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:33   nightmares where the virgin queen is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:36   going to commit suicide and he only he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:39   can save her and then the first dream he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:41   supposed to say the exact word that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:43   save her but it can't think of the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   and then the second iteration of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   dream she's at the edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:49   he's about to say something he's trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:52   to say something to her and then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:53   notices an exact a negative of himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:57   who is saying what he's saying backwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2697">TS</a>]

00:45:00   and canceling it out so that virgin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:03   queen cannot hear anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:04   well in that you know Astros is pre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:07   capitulating to get recapitulated she is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:09   auntie capitulating what happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11   miranda is that it although but asteroid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:14   has the means of our own destruction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:15   your own hands and she regrets it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:17   ostensibly that she you know she she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:20   uses the pizza delivery guy which I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:22   again the mail setting action into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:24   motion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:24   yes I wasn't coming also let's also talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:26   about how I i love the the as we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:29   all pretentious and lick lick pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:31   here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:32   the unpretentious thing that kicks off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:36   the pretentious suicidal our experiment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:38   is she orders a pizza and I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:41   delivery boy opens the door and kills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:43   her and sets off the whole thing and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:45   love that juxtaposition that's so great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47   that it's just this you know Pete kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:48   of a well he's kind of hot for her knee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:51   it and he's really excited to meet her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:54   and and then he opened the door and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:56   dies but in that's the thing is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:58   AI I think that's sort of part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2758">TS</a>]

00:45:59   asteroid is brilliant also is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   Astrid well i guess i should ask you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   feel you because you know i should say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:05   that's funny i was saying originally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:07   there are no you know there's very few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:09   women in this book but all that Miranda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11   astron filia are all aspects and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:13   fascinating Astra's hoot because she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:16   slightly insane she speaks the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:17   she's does things that are unacceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:19   and she just doesn't matter is what she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:21   means to do so when she built this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:23   unbelievable contraption that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:25   that's what do cancel noise out creates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:28   this thing and then then burns her alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:30   encasing her in bronze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:31   at the same time and she's freezes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:34   moment right the noise stops and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   stops aging she's even internally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   preserved in the same form because his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:41   bronze cheating on bronze point Pope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:43   poured over her and she's permanently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:45   fixed ok so here's my question i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:48   this a few times and I can't tell i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:50   sure maybe just meant for it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:51   ambiguous I don't say that there is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:52   answer but you know her pretentious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:55   friend tells the police she said I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:57   have the phrase that better be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:58   smiling but buttered spleen right isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:01   that what she says right and the police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   say well the pizza delivery guy said she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:05   said stop the machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:07   yes meeting stop the sense that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09   regretted did she get some friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:11   locked into the cabin how is that my rat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:13   here for hours with her but she told the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:16   police the delivery guy to come in so my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18   question is did she regretted the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20   moment over to your friends kill her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   I I the way I read it is that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24   regretted at the last minute like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:25   anybody would it's the it's that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:28   know she comes up with this great idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:29   but face at the moment of her own death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   she begs to not die and it's too late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:34   the the art world is looking on and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:37   time for her performance butter lean and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:40   that becomes part of the performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:42   right that'll load up so doesn't it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:44   it's clean now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:46   oh that reminds you that I I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:50   myself so let's talk about the salad bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:52   if you don't mind I was that let us know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   another nice another nice thing the they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:57   go to a dingo part of town where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:59   don't communicate is that is that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:01   except no you're not but poorly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:04   that they communicate with written and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:08   hand gestures right is that it yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:10   I think that's it's the whole idea again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   of that the people want to escape the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:13   constant sounds that are around them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:16   you go to the silent bar so they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   have to hear one another but then Astrid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:21   wanders in and just starts talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23   really loudly and and everybody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:25   looking at her and is offended but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:27   Harold's got his little pile of cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:30   and he starts drawing around and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32   and that ends up being the source of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   inspiration for the for the art project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:37   but first she's first she takes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   cards and then turns it into a paintings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41   or statements right which is what gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:43   her the show to start with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:44   right right that where he meets dexter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:47   Palmer be perfect and here's all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   pretentious dialogue about asteroids are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   you know it's funny as we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53   this book I like this book more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:54   unpacking it into all of its component [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:57   elements much as if I were redesigning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59   Miranda to suit my own images then I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:02   when actually reading and i think i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   want to ask if you either of you enjoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:07   this book or if you liked it i should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:09   say that's a good question gland did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:12   did you like I mean I've already said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:14   that it was a bit of a trial at times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:16   for me to get through a chapter and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:18   i have to take a break but did you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20   reading it I did not enjoy reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:22   book until we got to the last like i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24   saying last quarter so and then i zoom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26   through that it felt like a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:27   book even though informant was the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:30   but i think he finally had to set all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:32   the machinery in is I think the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:33   three quarters of the book he's building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:36   the mechanism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:36   I'm sorry I'm being so pretentious on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:38   his pockets he's building convective and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:40   he's putting all the clockwork into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:41   position and telling us all the pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:43   that have to come together and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:44   sitting there wondering when does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   whole watch start ticking or does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:47   fall to the floor as a bunch of gears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49   and then once that sets the emotions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   i'm like i zoom through i mean i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   it took me five or six week literally in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:55   like several page increments to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:57   first through the first three quarters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:58   and the last part i read in a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   an hour to so I I wouldn't say I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:03   reading it but I'm i like thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:05   the book more after having read it then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:07   I did Rita you know interpreting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:09   while i read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:10   yeah i think i would say the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:13   is that is that while I was reading it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:14   really enjoyed the writing it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:16   every book i read it's actually pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   rare that I sit there and I think wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:19   this is you know this is beautifully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:22   written and that was really what I kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:23   thinking is this is a weird book but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:25   it's kind of beautiful and the and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:26   writing is beautiful and the setting is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:28   so detailed and strange there it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:31   little off-putting and the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:33   are kind of off-putting and like i said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:34   i add it was so dense at times that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:36   felt like I needed to take a break and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38   not just kind of go to the next chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:40   but I needed to actually like decompress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   a little bit before i can and unpack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   what I just read before I could move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:47   which is much more of the kind of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:48   think you get that from a book that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50   were assigned in college and a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:52   class it is that kind of feeling of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:54   is not just a page-turner this there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:56   lot of stuff going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:57   but in the end i did like it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   know what I told my wife i was reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:01   it is i'm reading this crazy book but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:03   it's kind of beautiful but it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:05   really strange not like anything I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:08   really ever read although it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   pieces of the bunch of different stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:11   right all the way down to two charlie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:13   and the chocolate factory so I too liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:16   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:16   Scott what about you well I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:19   it was so I read it when it like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:22   couple months after first came out last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:23   so probably about a year ago today in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:26   fact and i thought it was the best book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:28   I've read all year i really enjoyed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:32   and I do not read books generally just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:36   because I don't but I in preparation for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:40   this podcast i reread about 75% of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:43   book and I enjoyed it even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:45   I i think that it is just that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:49   it's a great book but i don't and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:50   recommend it to people but kind of Edo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:53   yeah haha hesitantly because i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:56   think that it is for everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:58   like I told my wife she had to read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:00   and she read the first like 10 pages and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:03   said I'm not reading this book i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:05   they had more dead than just fair i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:07   this book for you Scott I read this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:09   Thank You Glenn but I really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:13   liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:14   yes well I i liked it i I definitely did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:18   like it but it is a challenge and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:19   not the kind of book I yeah that i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:22   recommend for somebody who just wants a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:24   fun book to read I only if you want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:26   fun book to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:26   don't read this pie i'm glad that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   suggested it though because it is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:29   not the kind of book i'll often stop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:31   get stalled in books like this like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:32   did and the notion that we're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34   to talk about it made me read it and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:35   glad I did I mean even books and I hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:37   and sometimes often glad i read because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:40   if they give me fodder for thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:41   that's good enough but I love with new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43   ideas new ways picking this book I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:45   certainly found fascinating even if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:46   couldn't say exactly like it so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:48   thank you Scott it's the very definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:50   of a good book club book it's the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:52   of book that you need to be I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:53   maybe motivated to read a little bit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:56   then have the promise of being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:57   kind of discuss it and unpack it with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59   group later because it really i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:02   benefits from walking through all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:05   different things like we have done here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:06   i think i think it really helps because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08   there is so much in there and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:10   just kind of flip through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:11   and then and then move on to the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:12   thing and don't really consider it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:14   think you're missing the best feature of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16   this book which is there's a lot of to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18   come over afterward and there's still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:21   lot of stuff we haven't even talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:22   about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:23   I mean there's a there's a lot going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:24   in this book positions only this is only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26   book so far too right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:27   i believe so i think it's pretty amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   this is like random there's some s80 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:31   test that you have like you may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:33   read his work yes was like Harkaway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:36   car away gone away well that's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:39   book that's out now I think I told you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:40   folks I for Congress article i talked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:43   the car away was a lovely lovely fellow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45   and he said something about having three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:46   other novels i think two of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:49   completed that ostensibly we will get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51   see in print at some point in the near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:53   future so one hopes mr Palmer also isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:55   the same situation that will be more he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:57   hasn't shot everything he's ever thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:59   about in a single model and during our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:01   Harkaway podcast i gave him a hard time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   for writing like showing off his writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:08   prowess which i think is in fact what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:11   the dream of perpetual motion the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:13   book is all about really yes that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:15   and so I liked it in this book so i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:17   i've acknowledging that i am a hypocrite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:20   we will now move on to that portion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:22   the show that i like to call what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:23   you reading where I asked the musical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:25   question what are you reading Glen what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:28   are you reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:29   i am going to briefly mention for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:31   very bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:32   I went back and read Charles use a after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:35   Charles you podcast red third-class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:38   superhero and I hated the book and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:40   can talk about this another time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:41   it's I thought his novel the how to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:45   safely in a science fictional universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:46   from getting the title right i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   was a was fasting and difficult and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:50   necessarily successful third-class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52   superhero has sort of one good story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   a bunch of masturbatory exercises in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:56   writing that are like how to live safely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:59   science fictional universe except much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:00   less successful they'll say that about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:03   that i'm also reading i started to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05   have a problem finishing some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:06   books I've started recently when i get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:08   to a point and you know this happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:09   with a with the general perpetual motion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:12   where I got through thinking of Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:15   all the time I got to the book to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:17   point where I liked it so much as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:18   as i did and i'm reading Greg bears hall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:21   0 3 which is starting out very tediously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:23   about four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:24   pages in and I'm yawning and trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:26   figure out how to get further along and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:28   i'm also reading to say nothing of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:29   dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:30   ah thank goodness yes and i find that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:34   first part a little heart going but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:36   believing that it's going to pick up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:37   because there are lots of indications it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   really is i think i'm getting them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:41   through the like in the dictionary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:43   definition part in which the structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:44   of the universe is being explained to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:46   and once that's through I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:48   there's a story there once they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:49   punting on the cam Ripper you it is gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3349">TS</a>]

00:55:53   that we've got a little still in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:54   hospital i'm waiting from to get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56   that that part and then finally i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:57   reading a James Tiptree jr. a biography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3357">TS</a>]

00:56:00   this is a one of the greatest science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:02   fiction writers of all time who led a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:04   double life who wrote under a male name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:06   was thought by many of her peers to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   male that was actually written by Alice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:10   B Sheldon who has an extraordinary life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   story including many trips to Africa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:15   with her explorer parents a child in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:17   places that no person no European or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:19   even outside person ever visited in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:21   early nineteen hundreds extraordinary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:23   person extraordinary writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:24   extraordinary depth and I hope we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26   in the future get enough people to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:29   and I need to reread took trees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:30   exquisitely aching stories and and do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:35   podcast about her and I even have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:36   special guest in mind who would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:38   participate with us who knows the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40   is quite well and used to judge the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:42   James Tiptree jr. annual awards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44   that's what I'm very nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46   Scott what are you reading I am reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:48   less books than Glenn only one because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:52   I'm an underachiever apparently it's but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:54   it's on 85 kindle the same happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:56   that's true i can read in many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:58   places so i would I reading The Wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:01   Man's Fear which is by by Patrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:04   Rothfuss whatwhat's the wise man's fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:07   the wise man's fear which is a sequel to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:11   the name of the wind are the name of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:13   wind and more and if only we were here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:15   he loves that book i love that book as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:17   well but sadly dan doesn't get to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:19   on the podcast because he didn't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:21   the dream of perpetual motion designer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   read and now we're told him haha ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:26   so so it is a highly anticipated sequel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:28   it just came out this fantasy this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:31   fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:31   this is a you know 900 pages of fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:34   Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36   and it's okay i'm apparently so i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:38   looking at amazon.com and the first book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:40   came out in 2007 this one came out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:43   couple of days ago so he and i were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:45   talking about this yesterday in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:46   that that it's hard you're an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:49   unpublished novelist you're working on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51   novel for for for 10 years and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53   publish it and it's a wild success and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55   everybody says where's the next one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:57   you're like guys but took me 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:58   exactly what you want what do you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00   you want it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:01   may I answered my turn the tables and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:03   even say Jason hey Jason what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:05   reading this week I'm glad you asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:07   that question Michael and I am reading a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:10   few things although not as many as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:13   but not as few as Scott is on and i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:17   have a new kindle so I have one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:18   device so I'm now only a hundred meters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:20   behind sky 401 keep trying json [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:24   intention i can catch up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:26   I have a guy i've been reading all clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:30   which is the second half of the connie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:31   willis novel that began with blackout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:33   which is the next book in in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:36   universe that includes to say nothing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:38   the dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:38   ok and and it's it's basically about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:42   Blitz the London Blitz and what I what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:45   would say to the readers who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:46   considering reading it is black marker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:50   are one book split into there's nae [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:53   there's nothing I mean it's one book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:56   split in two and i made the mistake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:57   reading the first book and then not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3537">TS</a>]

00:59:00   reading the second book for several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:01   months and I was hopelessly lost and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:04   it's taken me a while to remember what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:07   happened in the other book so i'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:09   recommend that if you read these books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:10   don't wait just blood flow through both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:13   of them and considered a gigantic book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:15   so that's what i'm reading and i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:17   finished the second book in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:20   Millennium Trilogy Stig Larson's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:23   girl who played with fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:25   I found any of those well so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:28   they're good but one of the funny things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:31   about them is that the guy died he wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:33   these three novels speaking of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:34   having novels and and and then it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:37   can is he wrote these three novels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:38   he died and they were published and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:41   became wildly successful the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43   i mean not that it's heard his sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:44   obviously and i think i've said this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:46   a previous podcast problem is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:48   really could have used an editor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:49   oh god yes and and I feel like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:53   left untouched because he's dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:57   open and the other thing is the english [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:59   translation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   translation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   I'm sure the translation is problematic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   there's a wide there's wide condemnation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:04   by people are bilingual with the English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:06   translation was published especially the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:07   first book is really radically not know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:11   it's a different but it's the radical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:13   changes from the actual sweet another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:14   nereo major narrative but like the text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:17   and so forth because they wanted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:18   book out so fast and it's kind of a kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:21   of bad compared to how much i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:22   imagine given how successful that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   are that maybe at some point they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:25   retranslate and they might even you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:27   they might even Mitchell edition give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   give it and edit right for the penguin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:31   classic version because with the Dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:32   Tattoo one of his many books which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:34   like good comment i mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:35   translation does not it does not explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:38   the fact that we spend whole paragraphs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:40   talking about how much ram is in her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:43   nineties her 2001 era powerbook yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:46   have realized that i am in fact reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:48   another book if anyone cares i yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:50   please let's look at that we have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:52   been have you been reading these books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:54   while we've been talking what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:56   book Scott it is called so I i spent a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3656">TS</a>]

01:01:00   while reading the like 13 of the viscous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:04   force or key and books or whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:06   board Costa get it for so get there or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:08   close again I still can't sit bless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:10   and so I got I was overwhelmed by it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:14   i said i need to read something i read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:15   couple of those too but I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:17   want to mention that because then yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:19   read those 2i I needed something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:21   completely different so i picked up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:22   book called a thus was a damas murdered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:25   which is by Sarah Caldwell and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:29   about these four lawyers or I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:31   barristers in 18th century New York no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:34   doubt this is like a like nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:36   eighties England and yeah they solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:40   mysteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:41   so that's what it is all right great and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:45   so next book club and this is a note for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:48   all of you listeners out there as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:49   as for people like Dan Moore and who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   slackers are not even listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:54   probably not because he's that much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:56   slacker and he said that he can't he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:58   illiterate so he's unable to UM poor guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:01   vs stories of your life and others by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:05   ted chang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07   along with a along with a novella he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:11   wrote called the lifecycle of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:13   objects i believe yes which is available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:16   online for free and we'll put a link in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:19   the show notes on the incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:20   dot-com i have the beautiful beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:23   slightly expensive print edition of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:26   book because I like him so much I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:28   to buy it ceased being published by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:29   small press I believe anything its local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:31   here to be in seattle and I bought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:33   and is it's a novella novella but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:36   um gorgeously illustrated a gorgeous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:38   piece of printing so I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:40   recommend the print book for once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:42   all right look I'm looking forward to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:43   that discussion because they have many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:45   opinions and that's a short story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47   collection so if you're not used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:49   reading short stories i encourage you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:51   give it a try actually one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:52   favorite things to do every year is by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:54   the year's best science fiction short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:56   stories collection if you don't usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:58   read short stories I think ted chang it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:00   very interesting author i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:01   worth reading at the very least if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:03   don't buy stories of your life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:04   others i would encourage you to seek out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:06   our are linked to the lifecycle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:08   software objects which will give us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:10   somethin me to talk about a little pre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:13   little preview i think it's actually not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:15   one of his strongest works I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:17   there's stuff and stories of your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:19   and others that are much better but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:20   can turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:21   yes alright she don't tell anybody and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:24   also you should with the story of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:27   life and others persevere through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   first story because i did not think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:30   first story was very good i forgot which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:32   one it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:33   yes well against both have similar yet i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:35   will just mind-blowing seven final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:38   things now we'll start we'll talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:39   it on the next on the next book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:41   podcast so that's your assignment dear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:43   reader dear listener list issue can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:47   there's anyone listeners thank you out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:50   there and then the only other thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:52   wanted to do before we before we went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:55   away was to remind people I if you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57   stuck with us this long and you just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:59   tired of us yet that if you go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:02   incomparable com or to rifftrax dot-com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:05   you can see the eye riff that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:08   generated which is 20 minutes of myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYIY4wY/3848">TS</a>]

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