The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast number 27 mar [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► we're back on the uncomfortable podcast [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► and I call this meeting of the book club [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► to order and as last time our book club [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► remains I dwindled to three but now we [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► remain at three we didn't lose anybody [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► this isn't a horror movie where they [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► pick us off one by one or at least not [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► yet yet so there's me the voice you [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► heard is Glenn fleischmann claim thanks [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► for not dying in the interim and reading [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► the book thank you for not bury me in a [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► shallow grave as promised [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► yes and also joining us is of course the [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► heart of the podcast Scott McNulty I [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► always thought I was the spleen of the [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► podcast yeah the gizzard have the [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► podcast that's been that's right all [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► right so I'm Jason snow and i am your [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► host for the incomparable podcast and [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► the book club and we're going to talk [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► today about a book that was actually [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► mentioned by Scott McNulty on the very [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► first incomparable podcast right [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► it just takes us a long time to get the [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► face yeah well it you know for us to all [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► read the book or at least all by all I [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► mean the three of us may even be the [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► people who are literate has used the [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► word to read [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► that's right so so the book is the dream [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► of perpetual motion by dexter Palmer [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► very interesting book i'm not sure where [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► to start we should probably summarize [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► what this book is Scott you want to take [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► a crack at sort of what the book is [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► about on a broad scale sure I so it's [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► it's the main character is a guy named [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► Harold Winslow I think that's yes okay [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► and he hit it so it has a framing story [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► that takes place in a Zeppelin yes it's [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► not really feeling still check no [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► because it keeps coming back and forth [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► you sort of start and end there but [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► there's also it keeps cutting to it in [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► the middle at various points exactly so [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► i guess i guess the rest of the stories [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► and flashback I guess exactly so in the [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► chronologic the chronological you know [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► flow of the book begin a present where [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► Harold Winslow is trapped on a Zeppelin [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► that contains a perpetual motion machine [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► apparently that keeps it afloat [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► but he has a sneaking suspicion that it [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► is failing and he's going to crash and [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► he's writing his life story basically on [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► this Zeppelin and explains over the [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► course of the book why in fact he's [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► trapped in a Zeppelin and you find out [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► his dealings with a character named [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► prospero taligent who is a guess his [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► counterpart dinosaur his nemesis not [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► really insist that he is the alleged [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► nemesis allegedly the constructed [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► nemesis right right he's an [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► industrialist and inventor and his [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► frozen corpse is stored on the Zeppelin [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► that's not a spoiler amazing on all that [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► is not hot and he has a daughter who is [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► I guess kind of a love interest may be [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► called Miranda and so the story is [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► really Harold and maran about their the [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► relationship between Harold and Miranda [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► and how Prospero interacts kind of sets [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► in motion a series of events that leads [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► to the beginning of the book through to [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► the end of the book right make any sense [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► know that it was very good [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► that's yes well well set and added the [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► author set in fact and the setting of in [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► the flashback is is we'll get to that [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► Glenn is is zero ville which is a [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► fictional city in the 20th century but [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► it's not the twentieth centuries we've [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► come to know it's this I guess you could [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► say steampunky kind of you know it's [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► it's a it's the future is viewed from [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► the past kind of thing there are there [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► are there was an age of miracles which [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► is passed and now things are more modern [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► but their modern in a very strange way [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► where there are mechanical men and other [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► strange inventions that seems to have [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► all been created by this prospero [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► taligent who is AAA enigma of a [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► character [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► yes he's a very mysterious guy its its [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► steampunk it's like it's like we're you [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► know they have computers and the [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► Internet ostensibly and combustion [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► engines but everyone wears little tiny [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► round glasses to the style inside this [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► through the style aesthetic style and [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► description of things that makes it [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► sound like a sort of eighteenth-century [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► steampunk [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► nice entry steampunk you know veneer and [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► yet all sorts of modern stuff is there [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► too it's just there's not plenty things [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► are sort of in short supply that people [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► are all starving so it's not precisely [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► it's a dystopian but it's not thoroughly [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► horrible it's just it's just different [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► oh i wouldnít i read the the sort of [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► city of zero available had you know it [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► was it's like the movies movies that are [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► set in in the early 20th century the [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► late 19th century where it sort of well [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► we don't have a lot but we've got [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► plucked by golly it was that one thing [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► there's nothing economy our main [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► character our antihero can be employed [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► as a greeting card slogan writer what [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► sort of hilarious [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► by the way as the greeting card slogan [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► writer that is weights described in [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► which he and his colleagues write them [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► is precisely the way in which America [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► Online used to construct its advertising [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► slogans about a decade ago and i'm not [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► kidding like the description reading [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► this I knew a guy who was involved in [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► creating it you're doing a be testing [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► where you test two versions of something [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► are many versions of something to see [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► what gets people to click on offers and [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► the process by which the greeting [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► Harvard you know get well in anniversary [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► holiday stuff is composed in the factory [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► for which mr. Winslow works is is really [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► i mean almost identical to what i welded [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► I i wonder if you work today well that's [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► what time it strikes what struck me [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► about the greeting card company which is [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► an interesting sort of at the beginning [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► we we meet him and he's working in the [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► greeting card company sort of you get [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► the sense he's a he's a failed writer [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► and we actually then flashback I guess [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► further and talk about his childhood and [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► what's led him to this point what struck [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► me about it is is have working in the [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► magazine industry the you end up getting [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► very displaced in time where you're [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► working on your holiday gift guide in [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► the summertime we have a summer intern [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► this year who was working on our holiday [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► guide which always seems insane but [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► that's the way you have to do it now at [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► max black world magazine you decorate [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► the office for the season in which the [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► publications are coming out right [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► because right now we're all correctly [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► it's August in your office [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► well that that is one of the amusing [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► things about the about the greeting card [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► companies that they like pipe in the the [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► cold air in the middle of summer and [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► make everybody freeze and they put up [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► Chris [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► with decorations but anyway I've lived [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► that sort of displacement where your [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► head is in the holidays and it's August [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► so I thought that was I thought that was [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► a strange little little bit this was [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► this book was written by dr. Palmer [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► while he was what I guess [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► procrastinating from doing his his his [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► PhD thesis at you know which i think is [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► kind of interesting so you not written [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► by a young guy written by a guy who's [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► probably you know 30 or a little bit [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► over 30 and and so we probably had some [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► interesting life experiences that he [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► kind of poured into this so it's in the [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► modern ones too like he obviously has [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► some dot-com experience because there's [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► so many aspects of this that legacy idea [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► what AOL thing that greeted the magazine [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► things like some part of access to [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► publications online things where he's [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► retelling a story there's a bit in which [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► he's trying to explain something to his [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► sister by drawing diagrams on cards it's [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► a marvelous but we should talk about [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► more that whole part of town but the the [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► notion of using sort of like PowerPoint [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► presentations and using simplified [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► things that try to explain everything to [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► get people to buy into ideas is very [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► taut commies so there's definitely it's [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► like a steampunk feel it's like this is [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► what happened if if we had steampunk and [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► the 2001 dot-com collapse actually cause [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► like the collapse of society as a whole [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► and i read somewhere that Dexter Palmer [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► was I don't know if he still is employed [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► writing questions for the s80 yes yes oh [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► well that's the thing that's where the [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► question thing comes from because it's [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► that process of recia ova like through [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► the crucible you come up with an idea [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► and it has looked up by other people and [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► crunched is something that is possibly [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► recognizable to your original but has to [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► be acceptable to these arbiters that are [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► fought far higher levels above you [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► so one of the strange things about [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► setting this book is that we have this [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► like I said it's the early 20th century [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► basically and it's the indeed the age of [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► miracles has passed but now there's this [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► industrial age that's led by [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► industrialists and inventors like like [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► prospero taligent except what what the [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► event is so strange like the when when [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► when young Harold Winslow well I guess [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► there's a whole Willy Wonka whole [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► Charlie and the Chocolate Factory thing [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► happening here to where a young Harold [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► slow is at a carnival where we're [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► horrible things are happening to his [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► sister by the way I mean there's so much [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► there is too much although she's a she's [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► a participant in that too [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► she is she got three dollars out of it [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► she should have held out for more [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► according to his father three dollars in [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► the tunnel of love but he passes he [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► passes a test he walks away from the [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► rest of the carnival one goes up into [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► this viewing chamber where he these two [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► guys show him the the tower and they [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► showed me Miranda out on her balcony on [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► the tower and and then he basically [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► through this sort of like test that he [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► passes which is again a very roald dahl [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► kind of thing right there eight is very [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► cruel test also IDK yet as a demon [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► appears at his house and that's sort of [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► a robotic demon that wanders into his [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► house and then sparks itself there for a [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► week so strange and then eventually [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► wakes up unfurls its wings and flies him [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► to the top of the tower it's a [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► terrifying terrifying scenes and flying [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► in this beautiful way or jet packs like [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► it squeezes and practically the death as [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► he hurtles through the aircraft to land [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► in spanish on this roof unfortunately [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► none of the children are killed in the [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► process [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► well it turns out the more ways all got [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► demons and the girls all got angels and [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► so that's what we're doing that had been [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► Shanna no no not at all i wanted to [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► bring up a really good point your Kafka [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► let's bring a cop good because that's my [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► release it in time for Kafka it's Africa [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► it's always time for Kafka it's and I'm [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► play the cop car horn it was right in [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► the car before we like to mention Kafka [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► actually zakappa belt so I back in high [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► school teacher said to me in a class [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► that in every coffee story things are [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► going along normally with the exception [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► of let's say the metamorphosis which the [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► main character awakes to find himself [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► transformed into a giant cockroach with [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► the exception of that in every Kafka [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► short story [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► things seem sort of normal and then a [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► bell rings or some transitional sound or [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► thing happens and then you go into the [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► mind of the unconscious and everything [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► is bizarre horses come out of this tiny [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► opening and whatever and so same thing [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► is true like not that the world is very [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► normal and 0 ville but it's this he goes [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► through a door [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► because he's the one who was going to go [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► through that door and then his world is [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► never the same like that one decision he [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► made that point he took in which he sees [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► unseeable things in this telescope and [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► views you know this brand that [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► transforms in life into what you know [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► essentially plays out until the end of [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► the book at the beginning and end and [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► the interesting thing is that that point [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► happens towards the beginning of the [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► book but he the character is already [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► past that point because the book is a [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► flashback right so write my book [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► actually begins at that point but that [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► point happens happens later in the book [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► at one of the one of the things i think [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► appropriately enough to mention now that [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► i thought was fascinating about the [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► beginning of this book is that he [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► discusses it [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► oh just directly he discusses how this [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► is the story of how he got to be himself [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► and I've actually it's one of the the [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► highlights that I made in this book is [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► we've got decided that the only way to [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► make sense of our existences is to set [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► the stories of our lives down on paper [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► to try to make one tale that shows how [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► the 20th century turned Harold Winslow [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► into Harold Winslow into Harold Winslow [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► into me and how the end it's interesting [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► because that's really how he views it is [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► that there's the guy who's on the [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► Zeppelin and he he looks back on his [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► life and he said well I'm not the same [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► guy who had the adventures with Miranda [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► and I'm not the same guy who was the kid [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► at the telescope but it is all his life [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► and and I thought that was really [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► interesting that he's he's talking about [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► you know these are the events that that [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► string together in my life and then you [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► know they're chopped up almost like [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► they're from different people's lives [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► but they're not it's the one guy and [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► that theme is further explored when a at [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► the end of the book a Harold is going [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► and thinking he's going to save Miranda [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► and he encounters the portrait maker job [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► it is to create a so prospero taligent [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► who has a weird relationship with his [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► daughter [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► yeah just at least has hired this [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► sculptor to create the perfect [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► representation of Miranda right and so [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► over the course of 25 years he just [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► continually create sculpture after [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► sculpture of [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► Brenda trying to capture the perfect [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► representation and he he gets one and he [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► shows it to Prospero and Prospero says [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► you'll get your money I'll pay you for [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► what I've contracted but you have [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► captured miranda is she was six months [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► ago now that she is now and so that [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► whole theme of kind of people changing [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► and you can never freeze time you have [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► to continually go forward and everyone [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► keeps changing I think runs through the [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► book in many ways right right although [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► in the end I suppose you depending on [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► how you view it you could say that they [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► they did finally succeed but only a [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► horrible horrible fast well I want to [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► back up to the different sort of [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► metaphor a mechanism all right to which [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► is that you know obviously this is [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► supposed to be you know he's using [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► character names from the tempest from [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► shakespeare's the tempest and re-do our [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► listeners I'm sure are familiar with the [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► play I've seen multiple productions of [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► it and it's you know it's one of I think [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► Shakespeare's most interesting plays [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► written if i remember it was it was his [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► last play was near the end of his life [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► believed to be the last plane as you [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► wrote by himself [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► yes and it's fascinating because it's um [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► it's you know it's got great it takes [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► place someone island but it's got this [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► great scope of of magic intensity of [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► relationship to the father-daughter [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► there's the dignified missing mother as [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► always there's a man taking all his [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► powers and throwing them away [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► imagine the entire all set six seasons [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► of lost squash it down to one play that [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► sort of it isn't that like until the [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► shed and so so probably no such a [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► tempest The Tempest is an incredible [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► treasure trove that authors have [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► plundered and alluded to for you know [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► hundreds of years you know at a [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► prosperous books is a fascinating as [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► peter greenaway almost unwatchable as [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► most of greenways work but insightful [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► into different aspects of the [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► personality of the music music magician [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► the Creator the snow sexual being the [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► relationship of a parent child's role so [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► it's this great source material and I [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► think that's one of the things that I I [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► think he does [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► Palmer does best is he's not a slave to [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► the plot of the play and as you read the [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► book further you realize that this isn't [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► just an accent [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► it's not the the novelist dexter Palmer [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► imposing his will on a narrative [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► structure try to recast in fact as you [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► get further in the book you realize that [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► his character prospero taligent who has [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► imposed his will inside of the book on [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► the character asset that's a great [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► conceit that we don't know if his name [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► was originally pasta Prospero he does [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► not recall in the book he talks at some [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► point about your coming to being that [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► into existence as an adult he does not [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► recall having a child is not believe he [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► had 1i which goes back to the whole idea [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► that you you know I'm not the same [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► person as that person in fact here's [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► Glenn to your point they're one of the [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► lines that i highlighted in the book is [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► is when Harold is talking to his sister [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► and he mentions prospero taligent she [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► says now he probably named himself that [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► he was probably a teenager looking [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► through a book of Shakespeare place or [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► doing a homework assignment and he [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► pointed his finger at a page and said [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► there that's the name I want and that's [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► person i'm going to pretend to be any [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► called himself telligent because he [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► likes failed Apple IBM joint programming [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► that was my thinking yes exactly who [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► doesn't [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► so the play does not for my structural [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► narrative now i'm in infected is get [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► counter purposes with the play that the [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► narrative the book and you see that this [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► is part of Prospero taligent as the [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► puppet master as trying to fulfill a [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► destiny as a magician as creating [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► himself as a magician who can accomplish [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► modern miracles is the only man left [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► apparently in that world who can do that [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► and by doing so he's trying to reform [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► the world into his own image and using [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► the names like Caliban and Miranda and [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► creating a giant tower that is island in [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► which you can create conditions of [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► nature and illusion in the room that [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► Miranda plays and all of these things go [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► into into that built into that that to [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► the character stealing the story as [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► opposed to the novelist imposing it [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► right and and the critical point that [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► you know so we mentioned that Harold has [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► a demon appears that heralds home and [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► takes them to this party and at that [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► party that Prospero is having for [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► Miranda he has his gift in quotes to the [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► children at the party is [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► a hundred children he promises that he [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► will give them their hearts desire which [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► is in fact not what they might want but [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► what he feels that they really want [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► so he tells these all the kids that well [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► he's but he's right he's right it is [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► treated horrible horrible stuff that the [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► children can predict what if someone [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► plucked that idea out of your mind and [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► said the thing that you want most even [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► the things you can't express you would [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► never express to someone else is the [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► thing that you'll get that that's a [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► curse not on a reward [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► yeah he's it's creepy and he he then [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► proceeded to give that gift a court not [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► immediately to all the children but over [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► the the entire span of their lives till [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► the point at which Harold is the only [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► one who hasn't yet received his heart's [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► desire because Prospero has something [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► very particular planned for Harold which [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► leads into also some of the strange [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► things that happen where we see the two [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► men from the telescope again and there's [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► a fake kidnapping blend it [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► we think it's well it is fake isn't it [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► yeah there's a fake kidnapping and then [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► there's a friend you know Harold just [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► put in a position where he can rescue [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► Miranda and and at that point in [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► hindsight Prospero says that was the [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► moment when you were the happiest you've [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► got to make a decision to save Miranda [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► and of course the sad sad irony is that [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► he didn't make any decisions [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► it was completely fabricated it felt as [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► if the entire thing is setup and yet [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► that's his that's his happiest moment is [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► when he finally made a decision to save [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► her and he wasn't saving her and it [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► wasn't really his decision to make but [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► there's that moment where he sort of [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► hesitates and his is pondering making [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► that decision that the prosper later [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► says that that was your moment he [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► hesitates for a full five minutes while [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► the guys are like stalling in the other [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► room and arguing with each other [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► another thing in that in a sort of [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► latter part of the of the novel that i [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► thought was fascinating was the idea [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► that the there's a a rebellion against [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► prosper intelligent and his creations [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► we're a bunch of guys dress up like [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► mechanical men but they're not there [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► guys in mechanical men outfits and then [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► I just going to be making of the Tin Man [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► yeah I killed those disgusting people up [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► it's like mobs of guys dressed up like [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► the Tin Man beating the crap out of [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► everybody and handwriting sorcerers [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► apprentice thing like intelligent [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► creates this role for his men to create [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► this you know it's almost like colleges [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► doing you know murder mysteries a [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► for-hire like he gets his staff to to [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► act out the roles he's doing it but he [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► doesn't actually I think about it he's [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► got people acting out rules all the time [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► and every story prospero taligent is a [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► storyteller even though in the book what [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► he does is he's creating machinery and [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► wealth and manipulating things but [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► that's true in the play to that Prospero [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► tell stories his words have power become [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► reality because he is the magician same [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► role here just with technology instead [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► of ostensibly instead of magic but so [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► Prospero you know sets these men a task [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► but then one of them gets the idea that [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► this is what it should be that he's lost [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► sight of these it doesn't even matter [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► anymore whether he's playing the role or [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► it's real it has become real he's [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► transcended this role that was given to [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► him and he creates this mass movement [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► even while Prospero is telling another [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► story that drives people insane when and [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► angers the entire world against him on [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► you've got you've got so Prospero tells [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► his story we have this book which is the [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► story as told by harold as he's writing [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► it while he's on the Zeppelin he Harold [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► himself that is sort of viewed as a [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► failed writer who wanted to be a wanted [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► to be a novelist and told that 222 [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► Prospero at the birthday party but he [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► ends up being a greeting card writer [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► instead and and then with all that going [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► on there's also this other funny moment [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► where at one point at a particularly [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► dreadful party [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► Harold is introduced to another young [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► gentleman who wants to be a writer named [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► dexter Palmer all right right with this [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► very post tedious being afraid [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► incredibly boring yes if I don't I love [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► that I you know that say i love the [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► that's like the literary equivalent of [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► alfred hitchcock appearing in a cameo [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► and is in this bill but i love that Paul [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► summer is merciless to his namesake in' [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► in the book he's a just an incredibly [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► boring college guy that has nothing [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► interesting to say and that everybody is [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► trying to get away from and i would like [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► to talk about women will be talking [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► about women [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► oh my sweet that's why everybody does a [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► podcast right as is to talk about women [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► actually well I won't talk about the [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► generative function i want to be all you [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► know deconstructionist 90 days lit crit [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► type but not precisely but I don't want [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► to talk about you don't want to talk [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► about the themes of the above [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► storytellers in the writers or you know [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► we we covered that so i can check that [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► box is checked that one up now we can [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► talk without generating function [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► generator function is usually assigned [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► to him even though it is a writer Lee [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► thing right [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► Prospero being the magician in the play [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► in in the tempest Prospero has to defeat [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► that was sicker acts which kills her and [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► or puts her locks into it no kills her [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► sort of steals her son who is then hates [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► him his daughter Miranda supplants [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► Caliban was this awful creature and Iran [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► is pretty and Prospero has taken the [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► generative function from the witch and [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► now as a male has sort of two generative [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► functions is the function of magic and [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► he has the you know literal organ of [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► generation right so I'm being very [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► liquid but it's true and I think I [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► wouldn't argue that Palmer's influenced [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► by some of these same ideas because in [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► the book there are no mothers of course [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► Winslow's mother is gone [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► she's been transformed his father tells [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► these insane stories we have to turn [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► into a pillar of salt but she probably [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► just ran away his sister is crazy [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► his sister's friends are insane and [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► ultimately lead to her spoiler horn [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► right spoiler letters of eyes [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► yes sort of and you can talk about this [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► book without spoilers [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► yeah there's also put in her answer has [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► no mother ostensibly we don't know of [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► any mother she's adopted and Miranda [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► herself is an incredibly odd duck as a [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► woman she's not allowed to express her [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► generating function so there's all of [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► this like there's no women all the women [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► are crazy or all the women are being [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► suppressed me Lock this little girl [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► pattern and then I find one of most [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► interesting underdeveloped characters in [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► the book is Ophelia one of his [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► co-workers I was gonna send ya a little [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► feeling she's like six foot tall and [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► beautiful and creative and she's the [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► only [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► the optimistic person in the book right [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► so impressed with any hope and as a [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► result they're sort of ridiculous even [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► though she could have this marvelous [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► like she's in the wrong time cityplace [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► novel and she's she's also she repels [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► the advances of the idiot men who she [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► works with and and yeah when you [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► mentioned we mentioned no women in the [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► book I was gonna say well there is a [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► filia and she's you know speaking of [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► characters named for Shakespeare plays [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► and but she's and she's not like the [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► other female characters and it's not [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► like anybody else in the book basically [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► that's true she's awesome i love you i [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► like the book of her life and positive [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► novel in which there's creativity and [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► she's living a I want all the history of [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► affiliate because she is interesting I [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► mean that is part of the problem with [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► the novel for me is that is that you [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► start out ice usually start when i read [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► a book I whether it's nonfiction and [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► fiction i assume there will likely be [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► interesting characters and possibly [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► likable ones but when i finish this book [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► I wasn't sure that I liked except for [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► feel perhaps anybody in it at all and [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► and that I always find that disturbing [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► phenomenon that I get to the end I'm [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► like oh I really wasn't even the where [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► my sympathies were with one of the other [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► like Winslow is such an antihero that I [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► don't even like him at the end really [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► not much Scott are you blown away by the [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► lens analysis I I beach less I was [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► trying to think if there are any [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► characters in the book that I like I [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► mean I like I kind of like prospero [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► taligent even though I know he's not [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► you're not supposed to like him but I [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► feel sorry for him and like him at the [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► same time because he wants to he spent [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► so much time building the future and [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► then he decides and this has been [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► probably good and so he wants to be [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► frozen for a hundred years it in a [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► machine that he builds around by [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► sacrificing his daughter but the machine [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► is failing so his lifework is amounts to [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► nothing and one assumes at the end [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► Harold tells us that hairline cracks are [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► appearing around the glass that in [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► pieces the the frozen body uh Prospero [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► so you you know that it [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► things are not going to end well for [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► anybody so it's kind of sad that he [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► spent so much time trying to improve the [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► world and he does he I don't be improved [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► and nobody tried to any kind of turns it [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► into this this horrible place that no [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► one is happy and and you know [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► mechanical men are going running rampant [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► and all the mobs of the mobs of the fake [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► mechanical man are reaching the rooftop [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► of his tower so that basically people [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► are rebelling against his technology as [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► he's wants to depart on the Zeppelin but [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► he asked to be shot dead first so that [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► he can then be cryogenically frozen when [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► you see and it's all I've it's all [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► falling apart but in the end the [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► perpetual motion machine is running down [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► its not a perpetual motion machine in [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► the end his his cryogenic chamber is [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► failing so it all it you know it all [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► comes apart 44 prosper despite all of [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► his best intense [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► oh and we should mention his other [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► creation Caliban who is basically before [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► before that I want to start us back to [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► the generative function thing is that [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► yes please let's see that they've been [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► met with Mencius ok so this is no but [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► this is I think this is intended i mean [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► there's a lot of a whip cream style [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► stuff in the books I think he's trying [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► to get a reading that is something like [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► this when you know it when prosperous [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► seizes the generative function right [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► he's gotten you know women produce [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► babies men are supposed to start the [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► process and that's it in the most [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► superficial way can render that right [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► and Prospero taligent by having sees [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► that function bye-bye to generate [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► everything generates is imperfect he [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► cannot create his childhood officer he [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► cannot create perfection of her he must [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► destroy her to create his wrong in [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► perfect vision his dynamos fail his [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► Zeppelin fails his plans ultimately come [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► to not because as a man he's not allowed [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► to create things that are new [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► I mean that's the structure which allows [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► criticism occurs in and I think that's [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► intentional that he lacks the you know [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► empathy he lacks not just love women [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► feelings but he lacks the component [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► there's no partnership with it he is a [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► Dominator he's trying to take control is [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► trying to seize from nature or whatever [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► and it is inevitably going to fail as a [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► result and I mean that's set up also [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► early in the book [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► hair hat Harold is listening to a radio [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► in his bed and he's flipping through [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► channels and we hear bits and pieces of [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► the broadcast and one of the broadcast [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► is coming from the top of television [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► tower where Prospero is unveiling a an [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► airship that he thinks they've gotten [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► the kinks worked out of and so the mayor [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► is 0v land like mrs. 0 billboard the the [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► aircraft and you know pageantry and it [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► then explodes and jeans they are all [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► died and prospers like my bad [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► so hehe forgotten already [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► yeah it's not good in there other was [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► onnn in that same scene there is on the [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► radio there's an interview where a [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► presenter is talking to some scientists [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► and he's like oh we've just created this [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► drink that you drink and it will give [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► you a full meal and you don't have to [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► worry and the woman's like oh that's [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► amazing and so she drinks it and she [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► says is I taste the steak and the guys [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► like oh yeah that's what you're supposed [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► to taste and she says oh I feel so full [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► and the scientists like yes it works [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► well and then she says oh my god [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► physical / full what have you done to me [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► that the transmission ends which i think [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► is very well really wanna thank you [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► Willy Wonka again we're getting you know [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► it's not that not accidental [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► no no notnot there's definitely that yet [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► again failure you know nature trying to [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► subvert nature the failure you cannot [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► make things you can even there's a [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► tyrosine and typesetting shop near and [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► dear to my heart of course [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► so even though they have the internet [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► there apparently still setting type by [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► hand which i love with LED type so it's [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► great contrasts even though i may be [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► doing that in a classroom taking right [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► now I'm doing that purposely not as a [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► commercial venture and I robot is [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► ironically i've seen you contributed [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► ironically when my fingers are crushed [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► in the rollers those are ironic fingers [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► being crushed by the spread of [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► Technology March the midst of the scene [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► with the keys where Harold job is to sit [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► there to make sure that typesetting [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► metal men don't go insane or berserk [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► while they're doing routine projects [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► overnight is many tunes and here's [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► Miranda broadcasting but again it's like [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► it's just this nothing can be nothing [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► goes right in the book even you know [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► television hasn't really improved [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► everyone's life in fact he sort of [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► increasingly ruined everyone's life in [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► the world by automating functions that [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► were performed by [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► fuckers that now I have no jobs and he's [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► not seen as a force of good not just [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► that he's evil and I sort of beyond [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► morality by being you know and so in [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► charge of things but he's just not [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► actually really helping anybody not even [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► himself in the end and to get a title of [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► the book not to bring it all the way [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► around to that but it's the dream of [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► perpetual motion right and it right away [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► we're told that the perpetual motion [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► machine is probably although it's been [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► promised no no it's a professional [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► motion machine it really it's gonna just [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► keep on running [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► Harold is up there in this episode [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► saying it's not know I'm getting closer [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► to the ground here so it that the very [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► dream of perpetual motion is a failure [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► it and it is the sort of cat the [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► crowning achievement of Prospero [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► intelligence high aspirations and [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► bandaged it is the crowning failure of [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► his life [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► oh i think there's a mystery encoded in [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► that part 2 I wanted to ask you fellows [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► because somewhere around two-thirds away [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► in the book uh there's a point at which [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► the book i think becomes enormously [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► better become sort of an action story [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► and I and I really zoom through the rest [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► of the book at that point I think it's [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► about this point it's 10 years before [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► the Zeppelin's seen if i'm remembering [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► right and I the there's a report that [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► comes out this is a prospectus [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► television just told the staff of his [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► company that he is working on you know [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► devoting his aims to creating a [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► perpetual motion machine and was [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► thinking machines machines really fought [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► and remembering that right i don't [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► remember but I think these are key [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► points because at the end of the book as [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► is revealed [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► Harold believes that Miranda has been [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► transformed she's been physically [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► transformed by a process is want to [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► describe because words are killing [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► things that by describing he destroys [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► the thing that's been created again with [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► you know the generative sup and so she [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► may be the perpetual motion machine and [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► although she is running down we don't [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► know about what process she works but I [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► thought part of it was hidden in there [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► was the announcement that was made a [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► leak from inside the company i assumed [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► from the very first moment I open this [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► book when i first read about Miranda [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► being extensively bodyless he cannot [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► find his don't know where she's in the [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► Zeppelin she's talking continuously [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► without cease and he will not speak to [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► her when it will read that part of like [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► oh well prosper is probably turned into [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► her into some kind of [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► machine brain and she's running the [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► Zeppelin that's the great secret and at [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► the end of the book i was like maybe not [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► like well maybe that was what supposed [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► to be intense she's not only become this [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► creature that is beyond description that [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► maybe breathe hydrogen for all Harold [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► knows or understands but that she is [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► also mechanical what do you think about [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► that my reading too much in it does [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► create a mechanical Miranda when they're [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► uh here since the playroom right and [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► Harold Miranda play together in this [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► playroom and Harold's favorite part is [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► when so Prospero also has sentence [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► mechanical monsters in for them to fight [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► in you know so they can pretend to fight [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► him and Harold protects Miranda and at [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► one point Harold comes across Miranda [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► and she's crying and she says don't [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► touch me don't touch me and she's [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► ripping out her hair and bleeding all [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► over and Harold doesn't know what to do [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► and then Miranda peeks out from behind a [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► tree and says silly you were trying to [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► save the monster has a great moment so I [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► mean clearly he could have created a [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► mechanical Miranda and but it will take [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► it wherever Miranda came from though I [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► mean by the end she is essentially his [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► creation because he's right he's really [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► he's taken her apart and turned her into [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► the dr his his ultimate intention them [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► at the perpetual motion machine which [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► which is you know his control he doesn't [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► want to change he doesn't want to become [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► a woman that doesn't go so well and so [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► then he he decides he's gonna transform [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► her into something else which you know [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► apparently doesn't go so well either [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► although Glenn it's something you [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► mentioned you know the way the bookends [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► is that Harold starts he says hello to [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► Miranda right which has refused to speak [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► to her the entire time and that's all [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► she wants so there is that question to [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► at the end is is you know is that a is [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► that important is that a transformative [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► act that that may be what's going on in [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► the Zeppelin you know is happening [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► because he refuses to speak to her and [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► acknowledge her presence [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► oh so that's a very good i hadn't [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► thought about that she's running down [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► because right that you need the [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► interplay that's my prosper wanted him [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► on board he didn't need Harold to be on [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► board he wanted to fill his dream but [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► he'd already sorted fulfilled [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► is you know dearest wish earlier sort of [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► what he says the happiest you've been I [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► mean I like the whole bit more [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► prosperous halogen says I'm not giving [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► you what you want i'm giving you it was [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► he says I'm not giving you something [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► makes you happy i'm giving you what you [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► want which is that for ya [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► praying everything so prosperous setup [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► that Harold doesn't want to save Miranda [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► he wants that moment where he's about to [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► save marantz right and so that's why [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► he's on the Zeppelin he can never find [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► her [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► he knows she's there oh he's always been [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► continually exactly [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► well it is also by the way the [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► mechanical thing I was thinking there's [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► a part when he and the portrait maker [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► prosper in the portrait maker are [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► setting 18 months disassembling [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► physically disassembling Brandon doing [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► terrible things to her as they say he [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► says at some point the portrait maker [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► describes prosperous saying like well [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► now now you have FX about the [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► information sent matrix you know mean [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► essentially the brain and I'm thinking [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► well that's the point at which they have [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► eliminated her that they've you know [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► they've disassembled Miranda the point [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► that they have removed to her brain [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► maybe they digitize that maybe they've [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► done something but that's inevitable we [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► don't know but where is transformed into [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► something different i'm thinking that [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► it's not something as simple as he made [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► her an Android but he took her out of [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► the realm of you know pure physicality [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► to transcend into you know this flying [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► machine whatever it does being the [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► impossible perpetual motion machine and [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► I think you know thinking about this now [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► Prospero has spent his entire life [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► changing the world so that he could stop [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► it right because everything he wants to [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► stop Miranda from growing up and he [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► wants to stop himself from dying so he's [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► constantly using change in order to [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► freeze a moment in time [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► that's very good I have a degree in [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► English Oh Bravo my degree is in [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► pretentiousness kid yourself Martin [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► upside-down arts I'm sorry [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► same thing so as the guy with the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► communication degree i will not [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► communicate to you in this book know [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► this book is is is hard rowing at some [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► points right i mean i-i would find that [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► it was I would read a chapter and i [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► would still have 20 more minutes on my [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► bus ride and i would say to myself I [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► I can't read another chapter oh good you [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► 2i I the hardest time getting through [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► the first two-thirds to three-quarters [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► on this book it it wasn't as if i was [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► having a hard time reading the chapter [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► it's just after a chapter was complete [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► they were so much in it and I felt [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► almost exhausted like I can't [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► ya know I can't do more of this right [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► now because it's it's you know it's very [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► dense at points i think actually [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► beautifully written although at that [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► point that you could argue over written [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► but I i but i really liked that he was [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► you know it it's not often you read a [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► book that that where the author is [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► trying so hard to write interesting [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► things in interesting ways and I really [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► appreciated it and at moments I was [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► really taken by the beauty of what he [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► was writing just the way he was writing [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► it but I would you know it was so it was [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► not a slog in the sense that i was in [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► the middle of a chapter and I with my [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► eyes are crossing and I just couldn't [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► bear to go on and I get to the end and [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► be like wow I need to I i'm not going to [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► read another one till tomorrow because I [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► need to take a little break and think [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► about what I just what i just read so [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► that goes on and you end and it does [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► pick up as you go I think that's true [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► Glenn that that that things start to [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► move a little bit faster i kept waiting [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► for more Zeppelin I wanted you know it's [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► me I wanted more Zeppelin's but then at [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► the very end when you're reaching the [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► climax and it's literally as Harold is [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► climbing to the top of the tower that we [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► have these two encounters the giant male [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► tower i'm sorry the message any member [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► of your piercing the sky its you have a [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► sec you'll and yes we got it back [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► I didn't get that uh they he's trying to [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► make the boy Palmer we're uh so so he's [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► ascending it the tower and we have these [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► two encounters with these guys who tell [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► stories and they're kinda long they're [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► fascinating but there they basically the [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► plot is paused so that we can go back in [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► time from a different perspective and [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► you've mentioned the one which is the [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► portrait maker who creates these [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► sculptures and then eventually aids and [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► abets Prospero in the modification of [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► Miranda into the perpetual motion [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► machine but there's also the guy who [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► works in like the coal pit [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► oh my god alone is not controlled fish [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► floor yet the coal pit being of course [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► at the top of the building a sensible [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► place orders from or something that's [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► where you would put [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► the culture i put i put all of my yeah [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► kool my smoke like probably workers are [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► always on the hunt Rossler i'm not on [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► the top floors of the building but [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► anyway it that when we haven't talked [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► about that that's another I mean you [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► know you grind the story to hold a [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► little bit to a halt [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► but that was that story seems to be [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► basically the story of the room the [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► truth of Miranda at least as much of a [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► truth is Miranda was allowed to have [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► which is but she has these repeated [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► sexual liaisons with the the guy who [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► works in the coal fire pit room whatever [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► it is and i thought it was interesting [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► that we we hear that story and then we [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► hear the story about you know the the [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► perfectionist vision of Prospero and how [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► he wants to have Miranda appear and it's [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► preceded by the story that's really the [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► real down-and-dirty story of a guy who's [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► you know covered in coal dust and and [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► this girl comes to him and they take a [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► tumble in the in the piles of coal and [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► how over and over again covered in cold [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► and it's just sort of fascinating under [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► rid of a hot sex scene about making love [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► on a cold mountain that's pretty [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► you haven't you haven't lived checkin [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► there are many men who have a call here [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► comal tax check finally I can check that [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► one off the Zeppelin's and the coal [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► mound sex scene home if that doesn't get [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► you to buy this book I don't know what's [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► going on hey we missed a if I may [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► interject as having to do a stream talk [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► about Astrid liaison III she's on my [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► list it so Harold sister Astrid who is a [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► an artist like a performance artist who [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► is like Ariel Ariel from the play that's [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► the sprite the magical sprite in the [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► play right well done well played okay [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► thank you [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► and she's an artist and she's surrounded [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► she's surrounded by absolutely horrible [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► horrible coast of RT people and actually [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► i loved i love those scenes and they [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► they can make your eyes cross because he [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► doesn't just say you know they said its [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► usual pretentious crap that people say [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► that these things he has the pages of [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► dialogue of the pretentious crap he [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► writes the pretentious craft for this [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► and it's it's and i loved it because it [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► made me laugh so much because I went to [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► I I like i said i have a communication [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► degree and it's the kind of degree you [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► get when you hear people talk like the [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► people in ad asteroids party and I [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► actually if I can if I can quote from it [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► briefly Glenn if you only on me but I [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► just point out your art communications [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► and english i think each of us knows [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► precisely the particular flavor of bull [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► yes yes involved but accidents doing [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► here is liberating language from the [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► patriarchy is this how critics talk [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► Harold's idea of an art critic of [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► someone who wanders through a gallery in [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► waves his arm in the general direction [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► of a painting while saying notice the [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► diagonal Astrid Charmaine says uh to [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► Harold realizes that we live in a world [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► in which and enduring patriarchal [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► hegemony there's my favorite word from [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► comm class has transformed the woman's [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► voice into a commodity x reprimanding [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► her own language and giving it a body as [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► Astrid has done here she embraces that [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► patriarchal desire to commodify while [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► subversively reaping the benefits of [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► that commodification oh that is so [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► perfect it's also accurate if you strip [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► all the other individuals from it's not [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► a description it's not BS i mean it is [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► it is it is phrased in the right [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► language and yet she's not saying [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► nonsense she is saying exactly what [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► astronauts doing so asteroids art ends [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► up being something that she sort of [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► lifts from Harold in their conversation [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► in the silence bar which we also should [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► talk about this bar but before we get to [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► the silence bar it's fast because she [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► ends up building [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► eh-eh-eh-eh sound sound sculpture [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► because Carol goes on this rant that you [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► know again I mean there's so much here [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► that we keep we keep bouncing around he [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► goes on this rant about sounds and how [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► there are more sounds and every day as [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► the industry creates new things that [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► there are more sounds at some point he's [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► concerned that that all the sounds will [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► cancel each other out and then we'll be [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► billions of machines everywhere and it [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► will be completely silent because it's [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► nothing but noise and chance he wants to [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► shut out all the sound that's a kind of [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► a go a theme here that's how he goes up [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► in the telescope it will escape the [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► noise of the heart [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► Prospero calls back to that when he says [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► this is how you get away from the noise [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► myself one is perfectly quiet and of [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► course over time that breaks down the [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► noise creeps into the supplement to as [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► the perpetual motion machine and as the [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► Harold Harold has a series of recurring [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► nightmares where the virgin queen is [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► going to commit suicide and he only he [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► can save her and then the first dream he [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► supposed to say the exact word that will [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► save her but it can't think of the word [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► and then the second iteration of the [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► dream she's at the edge [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► he's about to say something he's trying [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► to say something to her and then he [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► notices an exact a negative of himself [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► who is saying what he's saying backwards [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► and canceling it out so that virgin [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► queen cannot hear anything [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► well in that you know Astros is pre [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► capitulating to get recapitulated she is [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► auntie capitulating what happens to [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► miranda is that it although but asteroid [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► has the means of our own destruction [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► your own hands and she regrets it [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► ostensibly that she you know she she [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► uses the pizza delivery guy which I love [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► again the mail setting action into [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► motion [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► yes I wasn't coming also let's also talk [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► about how I i love the the as we have [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► all pretentious and lick lick pretty [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► the unpretentious thing that kicks off [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► the pretentious suicidal our experiment [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► is she orders a pizza and I think it's a [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► delivery boy opens the door and kills [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► her and sets off the whole thing and i [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► love that juxtaposition that's so great [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► that it's just this you know Pete kind [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► of a well he's kind of hot for her knee [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► it and he's really excited to meet her [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► and and then he opened the door and she [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► dies but in that's the thing is that the [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► AI I think that's sort of part of the [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► asteroid is brilliant also is like [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► Astrid well i guess i should ask you to [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► feel you because you know i should say [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► that's funny i was saying originally [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► there are no you know there's very few [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► women in this book but all that Miranda [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► astron filia are all aspects and all [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► fascinating Astra's hoot because she's [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► slightly insane she speaks the truth [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► she's does things that are unacceptable [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► and she just doesn't matter is what she [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► means to do so when she built this [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► unbelievable contraption that's what [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► that's what do cancel noise out creates [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► this thing and then then burns her alive [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► encasing her in bronze [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► at the same time and she's freezes the [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► moment right the noise stops and she [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► stops aging she's even internally [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► preserved in the same form because his [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► bronze cheating on bronze point Pope [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► poured over her and she's permanently [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► fixed ok so here's my question i read [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► this a few times and I can't tell i'm [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► sure maybe just meant for it to be [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► ambiguous I don't say that there is an [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► answer but you know her pretentious [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► friend tells the police she said I don't [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► have the phrase that better be the [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► smiling but buttered spleen right isn't [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► that what she says right and the police [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► say well the pizza delivery guy said she [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► said stop the machine [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► yes meeting stop the sense that she [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► regretted did she get some friends [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► locked into the cabin how is that my rat [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► here for hours with her but she told the [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► police the delivery guy to come in so my [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► question is did she regretted the last [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► moment over to your friends kill her [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► I I the way I read it is that she [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► regretted at the last minute like [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► anybody would it's the it's that you [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► know she comes up with this great idea [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► but face at the moment of her own death [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► she begs to not die and it's too late [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► the the art world is looking on and it's [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► time for her performance butter lean and [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► that becomes part of the performance [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► right that'll load up so doesn't it but [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► it's clean now [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► oh that reminds you that I I wonder [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► myself so let's talk about the salad bar [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► if you don't mind I was that let us know [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► another nice another nice thing the they [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► go to a dingo part of town where people [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► don't communicate is that is that right [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► except no you're not but poorly right [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► that they communicate with written and [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► hand gestures right is that it yeah and [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► I think that's it's the whole idea again [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► of that the people want to escape the [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► constant sounds that are around them so [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► you go to the silent bar so they don't [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► have to hear one another but then Astrid [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► wanders in and just starts talking [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► really loudly and and everybody is [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► looking at her and is offended but but [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► Harold's got his little pile of cards [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► and he starts drawing around and and and [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► and that ends up being the source of her [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► inspiration for the for the art project [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► but first she's first she takes the [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► cards and then turns it into a paintings [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► or statements right which is what gets [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► her the show to start with [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► right right that where he meets dexter [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► Palmer be perfect and here's all the [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► pretentious dialogue about asteroids are [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► you know it's funny as we talked about [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► this book I like this book more [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► unpacking it into all of its component [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► elements much as if I were redesigning [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► Miranda to suit my own images then I did [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► when actually reading and i think i just [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► want to ask if you either of you enjoyed [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► this book or if you liked it i should [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► say that's a good question gland did you [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► did you like I mean I've already said [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► that it was a bit of a trial at times [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► for me to get through a chapter and then [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► i have to take a break but did you like [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► reading it I did not enjoy reading the [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► book until we got to the last like i was [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► saying last quarter so and then i zoom [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► through that it felt like a different [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► book even though informant was the same [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► but i think he finally had to set all [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► the machinery in is I think the first [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► three quarters of the book he's building [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► the mechanism [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► I'm sorry I'm being so pretentious on [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► his pockets he's building convective and [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► he's putting all the clockwork into [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► position and telling us all the pieces [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► that have to come together and you're [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► sitting there wondering when does this [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► whole watch start ticking or does it [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► fall to the floor as a bunch of gears [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► and then once that sets the emotions and [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► i'm like i zoom through i mean i think [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► it took me five or six week literally in [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► like several page increments to get [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► first through the first three quarters [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► and the last part i read in a you know [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► an hour to so I I wouldn't say I like [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► reading it but I'm i like thinking about [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► the book more after having read it then [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► I did Rita you know interpreting it [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► while i read it [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► yeah i think i would say the same thing [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► is that is that while I was reading it I [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► really enjoyed the writing it's not [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► every book i read it's actually pretty [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► rare that I sit there and I think wow [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► this is you know this is beautifully [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► written and that was really what I kept [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► thinking is this is a weird book but [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► it's kind of beautiful and the and the [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► writing is beautiful and the setting is [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► so detailed and strange there it is a [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► little off-putting and the characters [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► are kind of off-putting and like i said [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► i add it was so dense at times that I [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► felt like I needed to take a break and [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► not just kind of go to the next chapter [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► but I needed to actually like decompress [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► a little bit before i can and unpack [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► what I just read before I could move on [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► which is much more of the kind of I [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► think you get that from a book that you [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► were assigned in college and a little [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► class it is that kind of feeling of this [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► is not just a page-turner this there's a [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► lot of stuff going on here [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► but in the end i did like it and you [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► know what I told my wife i was reading [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► it is i'm reading this crazy book but [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► it's kind of beautiful but it's really [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► really strange not like anything I've [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► really ever read although it's got [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► pieces of the bunch of different stuff [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► right all the way down to two charlie [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► and the chocolate factory so I too liked [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► Scott what about you well I think that [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► it was so I read it when it like a [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► couple months after first came out last [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► so probably about a year ago today in [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► fact and i thought it was the best book [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► I've read all year i really enjoyed it [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► and I do not read books generally just [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► because I don't but I in preparation for [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► this podcast i reread about 75% of the [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► book and I enjoyed it even more [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► I i think that it is just that I think [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► it's a great book but i don't and i [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► recommend it to people but kind of Edo [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► yeah haha hesitantly because i don't [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► think that it is for everyone [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► like I told my wife she had to read it [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► and she read the first like 10 pages and [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► said I'm not reading this book i think [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► they had more dead than just fair i read [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► this book for you Scott I read this book [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► for you [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► Thank You Glenn but I really really [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► liked it [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► yes well I i liked it i I definitely did [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► like it but it is a challenge and it is [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► not the kind of book I yeah that i would [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► recommend for somebody who just wants a [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► fun book to read I only if you want a [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► fun book to read [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► don't read this pie i'm glad that you [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► suggested it though because it is also [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► not the kind of book i'll often stop and [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► get stalled in books like this like I [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► did and the notion that we're actually [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► to talk about it made me read it and I'm [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► glad I did I mean even books and I hate [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► and sometimes often glad i read because [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► if they give me fodder for thought [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► that's good enough but I love with new [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► ideas new ways picking this book I [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► certainly found fascinating even if I [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► couldn't say exactly like it so I think [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► thank you Scott it's the very definition [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► of a good book club book it's the kind [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► of book that you need to be I think [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► maybe motivated to read a little bit and [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► then have the promise of being able to [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► kind of discuss it and unpack it with a [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► group later because it really i think [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► benefits from walking through all of the [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► different things like we have done here [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► i think i think it really helps because [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► there is so much in there and if you [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► just kind of flip through [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► and then and then move on to the next [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► thing and don't really consider it i [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► think you're missing the best feature of [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► this book which is there's a lot of to [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► come over afterward and there's still a [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► lot of stuff we haven't even talked [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► about [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► I mean there's a there's a lot going on [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► in this book positions only this is only [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► book so far too right [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► i believe so i think it's pretty amazing [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► this is like random there's some s80 [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► test that you have like you may have [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► read his work yes was like Harkaway the [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► car away gone away well that's the only [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► book that's out now I think I told you [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► folks I for Congress article i talked to [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► the car away was a lovely lovely fellow [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► and he said something about having three [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► other novels i think two of them [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► completed that ostensibly we will get to [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► see in print at some point in the near [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► future so one hopes mr Palmer also isn't [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► the same situation that will be more he [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► hasn't shot everything he's ever thought [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► about in a single model and during our [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► Harkaway podcast i gave him a hard time [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► for writing like showing off his writing [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► prowess which i think is in fact what [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► the dream of perpetual motion the entire [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► book is all about really yes that's true [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► and so I liked it in this book so i have [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► i've acknowledging that i am a hypocrite [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► we will now move on to that portion of [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► the show that i like to call what are [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► you reading where I asked the musical [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► question what are you reading Glen what [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► are you reading [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► i am going to briefly mention for things [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► very bright [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► I went back and read Charles use a after [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► Charles you podcast red third-class [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► superhero and I hated the book and we [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► can talk about this another time [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► it's I thought his novel the how to live [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► safely in a science fictional universe [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► from getting the title right i thought [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► was a was fasting and difficult and not [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► necessarily successful third-class [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► superhero has sort of one good story and [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► a bunch of masturbatory exercises in [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► writing that are like how to live safely [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► science fictional universe except much [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► less successful they'll say that about [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► that i'm also reading i started to read [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► have a problem finishing some of the [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► books I've started recently when i get [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► to a point and you know this happened [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► with a with the general perpetual motion [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► where I got through thinking of Scott [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► all the time I got to the book to a [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► point where I liked it so much as much [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► as i did and i'm reading Greg bears hall [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► 0 3 which is starting out very tediously [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► about four [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► pages in and I'm yawning and trying to [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► figure out how to get further along and [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► i'm also reading to say nothing of the [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► dog [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► ah thank goodness yes and i find that [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► first part a little heart going but I'm [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► believing that it's going to pick up [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► because there are lots of indications it [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► really is i think i'm getting them [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► through the like in the dictionary [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► definition part in which the structure [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► of the universe is being explained to me [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► and once that's through I feel like [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► there's a story there once they're [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► punting on the cam Ripper you it is gold [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► that we've got a little still in the [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► hospital i'm waiting from to get out [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► that that part and then finally i'm [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► reading a James Tiptree jr. a biography [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► this is a one of the greatest science [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► fiction writers of all time who led a [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► double life who wrote under a male name [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► was thought by many of her peers to be a [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► male that was actually written by Alice [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► B Sheldon who has an extraordinary life [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► story including many trips to Africa [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► with her explorer parents a child in [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► places that no person no European or [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► even outside person ever visited in the [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► early nineteen hundreds extraordinary [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► person extraordinary writer [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► extraordinary depth and I hope we will [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► in the future get enough people to read [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► and I need to reread took trees [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► exquisitely aching stories and and do a [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► podcast about her and I even have a [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► special guest in mind who would [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► participate with us who knows the story [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► is quite well and used to judge the [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► James Tiptree jr. annual awards and [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► that's what I'm very nice [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► Scott what are you reading I am reading [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► less books than Glenn only one because [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► I'm an underachiever apparently it's but [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► it's on 85 kindle the same happened [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► that's true i can read in many different [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► places so i would I reading The Wise [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► Man's Fear which is by by Patrick [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► Rothfuss whatwhat's the wise man's fear [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► the wise man's fear which is a sequel to [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► the name of the wind are the name of the [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► wind and more and if only we were here [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► he loves that book i love that book as [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► well but sadly dan doesn't get to come [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► on the podcast because he didn't read [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► the dream of perpetual motion designer [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► read and now we're told him haha ahead [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► so so it is a highly anticipated sequel [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► it just came out this fantasy this is [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► fantasy [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► this is a you know 900 pages of fantasy [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► Wow [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► and it's okay i'm apparently so i'm [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► looking at amazon.com and the first book [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► came out in 2007 this one came out a [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► couple of days ago so he and i were [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► talking about this yesterday in fact [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► that that it's hard you're an [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► unpublished novelist you're working on a [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► novel for for for 10 years and you [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► publish it and it's a wild success and [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► everybody says where's the next one and [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► you're like guys but took me 10 years [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► exactly what you want what do you mean [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► you want it now [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► may I answered my turn the tables and [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► even say Jason hey Jason what are you [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► reading this week I'm glad you asked [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► that question Michael and I am reading a [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► few things although not as many as you [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► but not as few as Scott is on and i also [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► have a new kindle so I have one more [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► device so I'm now only a hundred meters [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► behind sky 401 keep trying json [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► intention i can catch up [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► I have a guy i've been reading all clear [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► which is the second half of the connie [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► willis novel that began with blackout [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► which is the next book in in this [TS]