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26: Hitler Was a Rules Lawyer

 

00:00:06   the integral test episode 26 or have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/6">TS</a>]

00:00:12   led 2011 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/12">TS</a>]

00:00:17   welcome back to the incomparable podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/17">TS</a>]

00:00:20   i am your host Daniel Moore and sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/20">TS</a>]

00:00:22   in for Jason's now who is and espana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/22">TS</a>]

00:00:24   joining me on today's session which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/24">TS</a>]

00:00:28   going to be about role-playing games we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/28">TS</a>]

00:00:31   have quite a colorful cast of characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/31">TS</a>]

00:00:33   returning to the incomparable mr. Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/33">TS</a>]

00:00:36   McNulty sorry Scott I'm wielding my plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/36">TS</a>]

00:00:39   one wit at anybody no sorry I I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/39">TS</a>]

00:00:44   gotta forfeit back on that one who all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/44">TS</a>]

00:00:46   right i also returning to the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/46">TS</a>]

00:00:49   from his debut appearance on our video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/49">TS</a>]

00:00:51   game episode Tony simple are Tony hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/51">TS</a>]

00:00:53   it's nice to be here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/53">TS</a>]

00:00:56   I think we made a strict no sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/56">TS</a>]

00:00:58   effects rule I I was not breached if and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/58">TS</a>]

00:01:03   for his debut appearance on our on our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/63">TS</a>]

00:01:05   podcast mr. Jason Tasi are you doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   Jason I'm okay i didn't realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09   should cover the role-playing joke sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11   I could call you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/71">TS</a>]

00:01:12   gamemaster Jason tossing that makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/72">TS</a>]

00:01:14   feel a little better because otherwise i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/74">TS</a>]

00:01:15   was going to make some lame joke about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/75">TS</a>]

00:01:17   failing my mission role for coming with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/77">TS</a>]

00:01:18   jokes or something i'm still working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/78">TS</a>]

00:01:19   over here okay if you let that one let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/79">TS</a>]

00:01:22   that once summer yeah fur go lightweight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24   so yeah today we can talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/84">TS</a>]

00:01:26   role-playing games not not the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/86">TS</a>]

00:01:28   game variety but the classic tabletop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30   dice pen-and-paper hardcover books the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/90">TS</a>]

00:01:34   smell of sweat and fear that that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/94">TS</a>]

00:01:37   of good stuff and so I thought we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/97">TS</a>]

00:01:41   start off by talking a little bit about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/101">TS</a>]

00:01:43   how we got into role-playing games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/103">TS</a>]

00:01:46   you know when we started that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/106">TS</a>]

00:01:47   thing about what kind of games we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/107">TS</a>]

00:01:48   started playing so Jason how do you how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/108">TS</a>]

00:01:51   do you start by rolling it uh whom let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/111">TS</a>]

00:01:54   say well as well maybe 11 years old I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/114">TS</a>]

00:01:57   think I went to school this guy named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/117">TS</a>]

00:02:01   chris who said to me one day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/121">TS</a>]

00:02:03   would you like to try Dungeons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/123">TS</a>]

00:02:05   Dragons it was advanced of course the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/125">TS</a>]

00:02:08   second edition and I I i don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/128">TS</a>]

00:02:11   i've never actually even heard of it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/131">TS</a>]

00:02:12   that point but it certainly read about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/132">TS</a>]

00:02:15   dragons and had yeah you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/135">TS</a>]

00:02:19   favorable interpretation of of dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/139">TS</a>]

00:02:21   and so figured okay let's try this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/141">TS</a>]

00:02:23   we started with the classic you wake up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/143">TS</a>]

00:02:25   in a field motif and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/145">TS</a>]

00:02:28   I just kind of went on from there so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/148">TS</a>]

00:02:31   I said you are in a tavern right now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/151">TS</a>]

00:02:33   would have immediately you would feel it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/153">TS</a>]

00:02:34   all rush back to absolutely i am in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/154">TS</a>]

00:02:37   first chapter of dragons of autumn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/157">TS</a>]

00:02:39   Twilight right now I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/159">TS</a>]

00:02:41   that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/161">TS</a>]

00:02:42   I'm sorry that I do it's got how about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/162">TS</a>]

00:02:46   you i was in fifth grade so don't hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/166">TS</a>]

00:02:51   you are when you're in fifth grade I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/171">TS</a>]

00:02:53   probably 20 because I'm that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/173">TS</a>]

00:02:58   however whatever the appropriate Ages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/178">TS</a>]

00:03:00   when you're 50 in fifth grade is what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/180">TS</a>]

00:03:02   was my friend Kevin who actually was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/182">TS</a>]

00:03:06   kind of a friend of a friend who was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/186">TS</a>]

00:03:08   high school I was like hey you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/188">TS</a>]

00:03:11   play Dungeons and Dragons and he it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/191">TS</a>]

00:03:13   not advanced dungeons and dragons know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/193">TS</a>]

00:03:14   it was first edition Dungeons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   Dragons know who and now i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/196">TS</a>]

00:03:19   actually that all they could have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/199">TS</a>]

00:03:21   second edition but my friend Kevin Spain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/201">TS</a>]

00:03:24   ungodly amount of money to buy all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26   first edition books because he thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/206">TS</a>]

00:03:29   that was the one true edition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/209">TS</a>]

00:03:31   Dungeons and Dragons that is definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/211">TS</a>]

00:03:34   something we will get back to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/214">TS</a>]

00:03:35   around like that i can guarantee that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/215">TS</a>]

00:03:38   so yeah that that is my first experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/218">TS</a>]

00:03:41   was and we buy played with that group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/221">TS</a>]

00:03:44   people probably for maybe eight years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/224">TS</a>]

00:03:47   i'm tony how about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/227">TS</a>]

00:03:50   I think they're pretty similar story to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/230">TS</a>]

00:03:52   both of you I think I started playing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/232">TS</a>]

00:03:54   junior high school I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56   specifically i don't think i played any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/236">TS</a>]

00:03:57   role playing games before our junior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/237">TS</a>]

00:04:00   high school today uh no I know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   officially dnd or a role-playing game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04   club and i joined that and i believe i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/244">TS</a>]

00:04:07   actually played it my first game was run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/247">TS</a>]

00:04:10   by Jason spread Chris if i remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/250">TS</a>]

00:04:12   correctly he was basically rounded up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/252">TS</a>]

00:04:14   run a game for like all the new like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/254">TS</a>]

00:04:16   young kids that wandered in its rightful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/256">TS</a>]

00:04:18   disc in the interest of full disclosure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/258">TS</a>]

00:04:19   I will say that but Tony and Jason and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/259">TS</a>]

00:04:21   all attended the same junior high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/261">TS</a>]

00:04:24   and high school so we have probably have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/264">TS</a>]

00:04:26   a lot of the same experiences with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   much for playing there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/268">TS</a>]

00:04:30   as for me which is I think a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/270">TS</a>]

00:04:33   similar story for you guys I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35   first time I've remember playing was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/275">TS</a>]

00:04:38   actually a summer camp we have a camp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/278">TS</a>]

00:04:41   where I grew up that had like you let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/281">TS</a>]

00:04:44   you pick all your sort of it was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46   like a little bit like a college setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/286">TS</a>]

00:04:48   was like you pick classes and take them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/288">TS</a>]

00:04:50   like it was like woodworking or archery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/290">TS</a>]

00:04:53   or creative writing or something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/293">TS</a>]

00:04:55   dungeons dragons and one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/295">TS</a>]

00:04:56   dungeons dragons and so I I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/296">TS</a>]

00:05:00   starting out on that I oh I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/300">TS</a>]

00:05:01   were not in the advanced group advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/301">TS</a>]

00:05:03   dungeons dragons group i was remedial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/303">TS</a>]

00:05:06   dungeon have to work your way up to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/306">TS</a>]

00:05:08   well it was funny because there were two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10   groups the men at the same time and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/310">TS</a>]

00:05:12   in the same room which is just let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/312">TS</a>]

00:05:13   know classroom at the junior high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   across town and I remember that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/315">TS</a>]

00:05:17   other group was the ad group because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/317">TS</a>]

00:05:19   they have the fancy books and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/319">TS</a>]

00:05:20   and we were just using the like sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/320">TS</a>]

00:05:22   basic Dungeons and Dragons thing and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/322">TS</a>]

00:05:25   eventually been acquired like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   box set like this black box that came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/327">TS</a>]

00:05:30   with like a DM screen and like the basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/330">TS</a>]

00:05:33   rules set of dice and some little like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/333">TS</a>]

00:05:36   cardboard miniature type things and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/336">TS</a>]

00:05:38   like a basic adventure but it was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40   like it was the basic rules where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42   were like like five classes or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/342">TS</a>]

00:05:45   you know like magic user fighter thief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/345">TS</a>]

00:05:48   wizard and like that are multiples are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/348">TS</a>]

00:05:51   just magic user cleric something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/351">TS</a>]

00:05:52   that and then they're like three races [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   like it was really bare bones and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/354">TS</a>]

00:05:56   convinced several of my cousins to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58   with me on vacation when you're because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   one of them was actually an avid DVD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/360">TS</a>]

00:06:02   player DVD put CD player in his own if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/362">TS</a>]

00:06:05   you're related to a DVD player there he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/365">TS</a>]

00:06:08   was ahead of his time to think that 1999 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/368">TS</a>]

00:06:11   or something and yet now obsolete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/371">TS</a>]

00:06:13   yeah well here he had been playing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15   many years and in fact he still plays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/375">TS</a>]

00:06:16   regularly and playing the same group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/376">TS</a>]

00:06:18   like 20 years on and off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/378">TS</a>]

00:06:19   I'll so I and i'm writing assuming that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/379">TS</a>]

00:06:23   we pretty much all started by playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/383">TS</a>]

00:06:24   D&D right i think so I think so Terry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/384">TS</a>]

00:06:28   remember I remember sitting in a junior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/388">TS</a>]

00:06:30   high school cafeteria like having a roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/390">TS</a>]

00:06:32   dice to make a character and thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/392">TS</a>]

00:06:34   that this took a long time I think life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/394">TS</a>]

00:06:36   my first character was a thief and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/396">TS</a>]

00:06:38   believe he had like six hit points calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/398">TS</a>]

00:06:40   and I believe he died in that first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/400">TS</a>]

00:06:42   campaign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/402">TS</a>]

00:06:43   I think this was back when it was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/403">TS</a>]

00:06:44   acceptable to like murder characters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46   beggins way it's not acceptable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/406">TS</a>]

00:06:49   murder characters and it's it's slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/409">TS</a>]

00:06:51   you know I mean I think you there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/411">TS</a>]

00:06:53   places where it's not culturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/413">TS</a>]

00:06:54   acceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   I mean I know you're from Philadelphia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/416">TS</a>]

00:06:58   so it only murder each other so you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/418">TS</a>]

00:07:02   also all been Mike Dungeon Master's to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/422">TS</a>]

00:07:04   have you run games as of recently yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/424">TS</a>]

00:07:06   yeah as a last weekend maybe I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/426">TS</a>]

00:07:10   think yeah but not not as a dungeon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/430">TS</a>]

00:07:13   master Dan was very was very careful to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/433">TS</a>]

00:07:15   refer to me as a gamemaster have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/435">TS</a>]

00:07:17   ventured beyond the dungeon careful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/437">TS</a>]

00:07:21   there are dragons out there were you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/441">TS</a>]

00:07:23   playing Dungeons and Dragons and we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/443">TS</a>]

00:07:25   not actually but i don't know i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/445">TS</a>]

00:07:26   know that if that now like it's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/446">TS</a>]

00:07:29   that's fair i think i recused myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31   from that i know i watched you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   open up this 2828 to a game mastering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/453">TS</a>]

00:07:35   perspective Scott have you run if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/455">TS</a>]

00:07:36   in the game as well I i have been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/456">TS</a>]

00:07:38   dungeon master a game master and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/458">TS</a>]

00:07:40   storyteller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   oh that sounds that sounds almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/462">TS</a>]

00:07:45   lyrical yeah and so that's that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/465">TS</a>]

00:07:48   next question I want to ask which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50   that you're beyond sort of dungeons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52   dragons which of course is it has a has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/472">TS</a>]

00:07:54   a reputation is or the seminal role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/474">TS</a>]

00:07:56   playing game what are the other kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58   I mean there are lots of there are lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/478">TS</a>]

00:07:59   of RPGs and I think probably a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   the people listening to this podcast are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/481">TS</a>]

00:08:02   probably familiar with dungeons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/482">TS</a>]

00:08:03   dragons but they may not be as familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05   with without the short game so it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07   kind of curious what other what other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/487">TS</a>]

00:08:09   RPG systems or worlds have you guys have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/489">TS</a>]

00:08:12   you got played my list may be pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/492">TS</a>]

00:08:15   much the same as Jason list except Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   ran those games so I have you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/497">TS</a>]

00:08:21   played Dungeons and Dragons i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/501">TS</a>]

00:08:23   played dead lands which is a week the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/503">TS</a>]

00:08:27   game set in the weird west which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/507">TS</a>]

00:08:29   pretty cool theme is it return to castle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/509">TS</a>]

00:08:32   containers just castle pockets team just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   can't walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/514">TS</a>]

00:08:35   ok to return return to castle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/515">TS</a>]

00:08:36   wolfenstein as the castle to which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/516">TS</a>]

00:08:39   return [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/519">TS</a>]

00:08:40   Castle Frankenstein which is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/520">TS</a>]

00:08:41   cool kind of steampunk steampunk ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/521">TS</a>]

00:08:46   victorian-era game and I played a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/526">TS</a>]

00:08:50   i will call them unfortunate games of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/530">TS</a>]

00:08:53   vampire the masquerade and those can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/533">TS</a>]

00:08:57   unfortunate they were there was I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   I think there was just there was a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/539">TS</a>]

00:09:01   mix of players and game masters in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/541">TS</a>]

00:09:03   settings and I've also played a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/543">TS</a>]

00:09:06   deal of the game in nomine so that's me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/546">TS</a>]

00:09:09   Scott how about you uh I have played a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/549">TS</a>]

00:09:13   all the flavors of DMD so all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/553">TS</a>]

00:09:16   additions i played marvel superheroes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/556">TS</a>]

00:09:19   earth Dom don't know if anyone ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/559">TS</a>]

00:09:22   rooms with that is um I do that shit or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/562">TS</a>]

00:09:27   shame in that four hits the top well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/567">TS</a>]

00:09:29   because i have it on my shelf and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/569">TS</a>]

00:09:31   never run it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/571">TS</a>]

00:09:32   uh-huh it was please continue to go it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34   not really worth playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/574">TS</a>]

00:09:35   I'm all right good to know I was played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/575">TS</a>]

00:09:39   I have played the lord of the ring one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/579">TS</a>]

00:09:42   of the Lord of the Rings games I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/582">TS</a>]

00:09:43   know which one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/583">TS</a>]

00:09:44   paranoia which is a great thing is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/584">TS</a>]

00:09:47   Star Trek and Star Wars and Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/587">TS</a>]

00:09:51   game oh yes I wish it didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/591">TS</a>]

00:09:54   because I hate stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/594">TS</a>]

00:09:57   wow I just have to say that because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   makes dance so angry i always forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01   when you're on his blood guests and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   want to keep walking he's got and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/603">TS</a>]

00:10:08   bunch of other than 0 and a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/608">TS</a>]

00:10:10   palladium stuff so I love riffs like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/610">TS</a>]

00:10:12   rips played this here is a limited I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/612">TS</a>]

00:10:17   don't know I've never played the play of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/617">TS</a>]

00:10:18   a fantasy game but and that and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/618">TS</a>]

00:10:22   are some others random stuff i played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/622">TS</a>]

00:10:24   Jason you know I Scott and Tony actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/624">TS</a>]

00:10:29   covered a lot of the ones that i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/629">TS</a>]

00:10:30   have mentioned i don't i don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/630">TS</a>]

00:10:33   you call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/633">TS</a>]

00:10:34   let's say a phase where I after being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/634">TS</a>]

00:10:37   introduced to dnd where were Chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/637">TS</a>]

00:10:39   Rainey game and then actually i remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/639">TS</a>]

00:10:40   playing in the damn ram back in seventh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/640">TS</a>]

00:10:44   or eighth grade or so and then another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/644">TS</a>]

00:10:47   friend of our started running game some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   of the palladium games like I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/649">TS</a>]

00:10:50   we played our heroes unlimited I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/650">TS</a>]

00:10:53   vague feeling we might have played some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   news and super spies around that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   and run around and it is was my face of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/657">TS</a>]

00:11:00   of wanting to create games too so i made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/660">TS</a>]

00:11:02   a bunch of basic likes DNT care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/662">TS</a>]

00:11:06   if knockoff system type games for comic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/666">TS</a>]

00:11:09   books that i really enjoyed so we played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/669">TS</a>]

00:11:13   that kind of thing for a while and after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/673">TS</a>]

00:11:15   a while of trying to work on this what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/675">TS</a>]

00:11:17   was what was to be my game masterpiece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/677">TS</a>]

00:11:20   my own original fantasy world that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22   just this intricately piece together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/682">TS</a>]

00:11:24   entire system and world i was showing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/684">TS</a>]

00:11:27   to a friend of my John who had played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/687">TS</a>]

00:11:30   many more games that i had and jon said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/690">TS</a>]

00:11:31   well does it doesn't have to look just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/691">TS</a>]

00:11:34   like dnd and I was sort of feeling like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   what what what else would it look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   i've never seen her role playing game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   and so he pulled me over to a friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/700">TS</a>]

00:11:42   place and we played a game of castleball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   can stand where you know there's no dice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/704">TS</a>]

00:11:45   you're using cards for everything and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/705">TS</a>]

00:11:48   was just so far from anything I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/708">TS</a>]

00:11:50   seen before that this this brought me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   into my next phase of let me play things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   that are even nothing like D&D [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/714">TS</a>]

00:11:55   whatsoever and so I'm not even throwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/715">TS</a>]

00:11:57   something in their life which I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/717">TS</a>]

00:11:58   that that I played with put some of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   well the extraordinary adventures of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/720">TS</a>]

00:12:03   baron munchausen which is it's more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/723">TS</a>]

00:12:07   storytelling game that a role-playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09   game but i kinda I kind of think of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/729">TS</a>]

00:12:11   in the same category in some ways not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/731">TS</a>]

00:12:13   just a great syndrome a great game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/733">TS</a>]

00:12:15   indeed i've been running a nominee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/735">TS</a>]

00:12:18   lately after i had had not been playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   role playing games for years and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/740">TS</a>]

00:12:22   did this this 400-page dissertation on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/742">TS</a>]

00:12:25   geek culture for my PhD and when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/745">TS</a>]

00:12:28   done with that I was like oh man you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/748">TS</a>]

00:12:29   know what I really want to do I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31   do something really geeky that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33   for work and and so that's a game about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/753">TS</a>]

00:12:37   angels and demons and i have a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/757">TS</a>]

00:12:38   other stuff just kind of sitting on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/758">TS</a>]

00:12:39   shelf that I've been like thinking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/759">TS</a>]

00:12:41   all run that sometime and I just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/761">TS</a>]

00:12:43   have like I've got the complete rules to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/763">TS</a>]

00:12:45   eclipse phase and Trinity which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/765">TS</a>]

00:12:48   done a couple of science fiction games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/768">TS</a>]

00:12:50   continuum which is a time-travel game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/770">TS</a>]

00:12:54   and just a bunch of other stuff too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/774">TS</a>]

00:12:55   I think I played trinity is that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/775">TS</a>]

00:12:59   was that a white wolf for now it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/779">TS</a>]

00:13:01   always a white wolf science fiction game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/781">TS</a>]

00:13:03   in which everyone basically with some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/783">TS</a>]

00:13:04   theme of psychic and it comes in with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   the book is like a binder with a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/786">TS</a>]

00:13:08   plastic cover thing gets not my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/788">TS</a>]

00:13:12   physical for Maddox I I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   also a paperback which i kinda like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/794">TS</a>]

00:13:15   better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/795">TS</a>]

00:13:16   I'm did you guys play a role playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/796">TS</a>]

00:13:18   games like straight through or did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/798">TS</a>]

00:13:19   guys take over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/799">TS</a>]

00:13:20   I know Jason Jason you and I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/800">TS</a>]

00:13:22   both were in a similar experience where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/802">TS</a>]

00:13:23   we played a lot in sort of junior high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/803">TS</a>]

00:13:25   school maybe early on in high school and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/805">TS</a>]

00:13:27   then maybe more sporadically after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/807">TS</a>]

00:13:29   and then I feel like after college we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/809">TS</a>]

00:13:31   probably didn't play for a really long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/811">TS</a>]

00:13:33   time I mean I definitely got out of D&D [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/813">TS</a>]

00:13:35   fairly early on and it wasn't until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/815">TS</a>]

00:13:39   the most recent the fourth edition came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/819">TS</a>]

00:13:41   out that I sort of got back into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/821">TS</a>]

00:13:43   did you guys have the same experience of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/823">TS</a>]

00:13:44   like like sort of us moving away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   from opening games where you guys been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/826">TS</a>]

00:13:47   praying with playing them pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/827">TS</a>]

00:13:49   consistently since you're introduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/829">TS</a>]

00:13:50   well I guess I already answered that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/830">TS</a>]

00:13:53   i'll just add one little addendum to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/833">TS</a>]

00:13:54   which is that I i gotta make like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56   mention that in the period at the peak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/836">TS</a>]

00:13:59   of my second phase of let's play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/839">TS</a>]

00:14:01   whatever I can get my hands on phase i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/841">TS</a>]

00:14:03   mean like i was like going to to gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/843">TS</a>]

00:14:05   conventions by myself to like enter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/845">TS</a>]

00:14:07   role-playing game competitions and meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/847">TS</a>]

00:14:09   strangers and stuff like that that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/849">TS</a>]

00:14:11   very mixed bag as an experience where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/851">TS</a>]

00:14:14   sometimes you get you play games like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/854">TS</a>]

00:14:16   went to this convention called a region [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/856">TS</a>]

00:14:18   which is a local Boston sci-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/858">TS</a>]

00:14:19   convention and I'm the people who ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/859">TS</a>]

00:14:21   the Steve Jackson games booth there ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/861">TS</a>]

00:14:24   this really awesome game of tune which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/864">TS</a>]

00:14:27   is a very much like a loony toon style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/867">TS</a>]

00:14:29   role-playing game and and also a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/869">TS</a>]

00:14:32   killed dr. lucky larp which i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/872">TS</a>]

00:14:35   think it will be only large I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37   participated in and was really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39   excellent and so that made me feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   all this is what i need to do i need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/881">TS</a>]

00:14:42   go to these kind of conventions and meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/882">TS</a>]

00:14:44   people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/884">TS</a>]

00:14:44   let's just say that the rest of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   year didn't really go as well when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   kept doing it until I realized maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   don't want to be playing a roleplaying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/890">TS</a>]

00:14:51   games that much after all and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/891">TS</a>]

00:14:53   just quit for years and it was only very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   recently that I decided maybe I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/895">TS</a>]

00:14:59   Miss that hobby but I just need to ease [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/899">TS</a>]

00:15:01   myself into this with people i already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/901">TS</a>]

00:15:02   know and get along with very well what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/902">TS</a>]

00:15:06   you guys got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/906">TS</a>]

00:15:07   well I I'd played steadily through high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/907">TS</a>]

00:15:11   school and then I went to college and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/911">TS</a>]

00:15:14   played maybe a couple times in college I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/914">TS</a>]

00:15:16   knew a lot of people who played D&D in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18   college but I never really wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/918">TS</a>]

00:15:20   play with them and then they invited me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/920">TS</a>]

00:15:22   to a party which i thought was a party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/922">TS</a>]

00:15:24   but it was activated the other kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/924">TS</a>]

00:15:27   party is it was a LARPing party and who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/927">TS</a>]

00:15:30   the bad guy is that everyone was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/930">TS</a>]

00:15:32   vampires and I was like this is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/932">TS</a>]

00:15:34   weird so I pretended to be a vampire for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/934">TS</a>]

00:15:37   a little while and then I decided that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/937">TS</a>]

00:15:39   would be a vampire who was bored with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/939">TS</a>]

00:15:40   the party and leave and they didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/940">TS</a>]

00:15:43   that then i moved back home to me i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/943">TS</a>]

00:15:49   originally from New York and so i went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/949">TS</a>]

00:15:50   to new york and then after a while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   moved to Philadelphia and I didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   anybody really so I was like I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/954">TS</a>]

00:15:55   meet somebody so I met a bunch of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/955">TS</a>]

00:15:59   who play D&D so I started playing DMV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/959">TS</a>]

00:16:02   because i was kind of burnt out on dnd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   and I've been playing with that group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   for like six years now so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   mhm it's worked out well apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/968">TS</a>]

00:16:10   County High oh yeah I mean I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/970">TS</a>]

00:16:14   a toaster cycles i think a big part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/974">TS</a>]

00:16:17   it is who you know who are your friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/977">TS</a>]

00:16:19   that are you know around you especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   since a lot of the role-playing you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/981">TS</a>]

00:16:22   is actually like in person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/982">TS</a>]

00:16:24   I'm it's not something you do over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/984">TS</a>]

00:16:25   web like video games so people being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/985">TS</a>]

00:16:29   around who want to play a game and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/989">TS</a>]

00:16:30   particularly people who want to run a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   game since that seems to take a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34   amount of work on the part of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/994">TS</a>]

00:16:36   some sucker and you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/996">TS</a>]

00:16:40   availability of said sucker tends to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:42   know to oscillate so it comes and goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:45   I'm not I I mean I enjoy role-playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:49   games but i'm not super motivated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   probably go out and play them with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:52   people i don't know what i end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:55   playing a lot of role-playing game Simon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:56   you know three different campaigns right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:58   now but to me it's you know it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:01   role playing games are fun and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:02   something I want to do with with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:04   i know or at least friends of friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:05   but I wouldn't be like you know I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:07   never felt like I want to play Dungeons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:09   and Dragons so much that I'm gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:10   find people and play dungeons dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:12   with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:13   yeah i mean it strikes me as very much a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:15   social kind of like activity you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:18   for some people like might have a poker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:19   night or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:20   and let's be fair I'm I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22   care for people that much i think most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:25   people who play the ND don't care for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:27   people that have maybe an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:28   overgeneralization but I'm gonna stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:31   by that the level of Arc's Sarah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:34   experiment up tony touch on interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:36   point which i think is the idea of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:40   know most role-playing games beings for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:42   physical and in person but there's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:46   i feel like an expanding amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48   people playing role playing games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:51   virtually because say though you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:53   they may not be geographically close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:56   the people that they are used to playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:57   with and so for example i'm running a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59   group right now which tony is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01   in uh-huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:02   that is done over skype and uses a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:07   game system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:08   alright i'm sorry it's just a a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:11   shared application in which we can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:13   like a map and move little tokens around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:15   and have an adventure even though two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:17   our party members live in Texas one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:19   lives in Connecticut I was Antonio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:21   Island Massachusetts and so its end it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:26   it's very it's a very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:27   experience I've found and in some ways a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:31   lot harder and some of it helps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:34   already start it part of the part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:36   problem is that some of our people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:37   also very new and they have never played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   D&D before and so as a result it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:42   like a lot of our our games turn into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:43   almost a video game type thing where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:47   know it's if you become kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:49   disconnected because you're just moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:50   a little token around and so if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:51   a lot of clicking and everything and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:53   less of the whole plan it suffers from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:55   lot of this and basically the same kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:56   of issues of you know being in a MTG vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:59   attending like a virtual meeting or mmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:02   yeah I mean I teleconference you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:04   it's a DNA webinar it is basically it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:07   basically a dnd weapon it that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:09   way it sounded way less cool when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:10   put it that way I had no idea that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:13   act of the software we use map tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:14   which is is that open source to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:16   yes it's actually pretty pretty well put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:19   together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:19   I'm pretty impressed with it I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:21   imagine that kind of thing would lend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   itself to some role-playing games better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:24   than others because we talk about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:26   pretty broad range of I mean the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:27   that was talking about about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:29   adventures of baron munchausen over here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:31   is as something that by my classifieds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:33   there's a role-playing game you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:34   really you're sitting around the circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:35   and you're just telling stories and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:37   abetting each other that like I can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:38   a story better and that's it that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:41   different from i'm going to move tokens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:42   around the board now and can strategize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:44   about how to you know attack these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46   enemies and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:47   well it and it feels more like almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:50   more like a war game type thing or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:51   strategy game and I think that that's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:54   some ways that's a shame because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:55   really enjoy the interactions of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   role-playing environment and it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:59   to coax people who are new to the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:01   of role-playing into wanting to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:04   when there isn't when you don't have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:06   those visual cues and so I think a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:08   of our are newer players have been more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:11   hesitant to get into the whole you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:13   really putting yourself in a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:15   because of the the disconnect and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:17   takes a while for people to get used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:19   it i mean the campaign i'm running has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:21   five players in it and three of them had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:24   never played a role playing game before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:26   so they they come they bring to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:28   different expectation then say the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:31   two players who are you know super super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:34   hardcore nerds about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:35   well that I mean and that's it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:37   interesting to have a mix of people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:39   that but it definitely provides a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41   different sort of experience especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   when you've got a large number of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   who are really really comfortable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:46   always wanna roll roll dice speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:48   which I was thinking that there i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50   one interesting thing and it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:53   I appreciate about one of the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:54   recent versions of the dnd revamp in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:58   dungeon master's guide there's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:00   section on different types of players [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:02   without which I found fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:04   because you it's it's pretty good it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   pretty good you start going through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:08   you're like yup got one of those got one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   of those get an end i'm kind of curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:12   you guys run into the same sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:14   I mean this the terms things like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:16   like rules lawyers and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:20   weekend called munchkins or more more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:23   polite things I guess people who get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   bored unless they're they're cracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:26   heads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:27   I mean do you guys in your experience of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:29   role-playing like having played with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:31   different groups and different people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:32   like find that you encountered similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:34   you know styles of play very frequently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:37   or is it really much more desperate than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:40   that or what Jason have you run a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:43   of different games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:44   yeah it is funny because you asked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:46   this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:47   and Martin have a sort of two parallel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:50   responses one is remember i said before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:54   that I got back into this hobby because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:56   i wanted to do something that felt sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:59   of geeky and fun that I didn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01   feel like I'm doing this is a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:02   dimension of cultural analysis and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:06   and and and so I I don't think I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:09   how do i phrase this i guess i have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11   really looked at the people i played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   with in that way especially considering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:15   that some of the games I play been you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:16   know all these are my friends and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:17   it's much easier to think of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:18   oh and this is how damn place is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20   only place but by the same token I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:24   know if you if you if any of you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:25   listen to any kind of like nerdcore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:26   popper keep music anything like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28   I listen to this one podcast on radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:30   free hipster which comes from my hipster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:32   please dot com and I'm recently the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:35   who put that who put that together put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:37   together a compilation called 20-sided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:39   rhymes which is just 20 tracks about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:43   role-playing games basically and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:46   pretty fun i've been listening to it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:47   the way to work and and there's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:49   these you know like rap songs with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:50   lyrics about you know the ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:53   things that players will do and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:54   though I haven't really been paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:55   attention and feeling like oh yeah I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   categorizing these people this time once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:58   again here's the this you know the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:00   are here and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:01   I'm listening to the lyrics to the songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:02   only oh my god I totally know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:04   you're talking about here so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:05   definitely sort of like archetypes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:08   players are shared kind of experiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:09   like oh you played with that guy that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:12   guess I didn't really notice until it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:13   was pointed out to me in lyrical first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:15   you often don't realize things until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:17   they've been sung to you like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:19   I mean it you know there's the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:20   is it it's the dr. Demento sketch right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:23   about the dnd with the you know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:27   the cheeto you know like it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29   stereotypical and yet they're there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   certain amount of truth in parts of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33   and I think that's part of what makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:34   funny but it does seem like like certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:38   elements of that crop up a lot sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:41   related to that I i think you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:44   all started out in high school and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:45   obviously high school is very traumatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   place for many people huh maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:50   including or including and/or especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52   for you know maybe people who play a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:53   role playing games but I am curious to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:55   know if that's shifted in terms of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:58   you know I think many of us have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:00   experienced a stigma attached to it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:03   that diminished and I I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:06   we've gotten to the point where Diaz is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:08   cool but it's not it's ironically i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:12   don't even think it's ironic i mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14   can be ironic playing it you can't let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16   you know it's funny actually I mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:18   I'd so i mentioned before I'm kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:19   just joking around and said I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   I'm a dragons of autumn Twilight right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:22   now that is the first book of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:24   dragonlance travel one of the Dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   trilogies I guess I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:28   and the reason I bring this up is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:29   because while i was doing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:30   dissertation research was absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:33   fascinated to see that newbury comics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:35   which is a local you know music / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:39   chachki / pop-culture merchandise chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:43   that we have around here in the Boston [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:44   area was selling among its you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:48   t-shirts for local sports teams and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:51   you know ya hit movies and hip and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:55   like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:55   a t-shirt that just had the cover of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:58   dragonlance rulebook and i'm looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:03   this little piggy who is this for her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05   act like i never right into that to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:08   extent i still don't know i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:09   there's there's that somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:12   should talk about this you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:13   be talking about my dissertation if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:15   let me talk too long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:16   everyone jump in and save us from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:17   terrible fate of you let you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:18   just going to edit that out you never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:21   ask that question then so don't words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:23   which is it will fix all this in post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25   Jason please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:28   yeah well i think that i think certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30   you know that you know geek culture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:33   and general nerdery is more acceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:36   now but i think that they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:37   probably I'm not in high school now so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:40   that's good but i also went to a super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:43   geeky high school so I was surrounded by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:45   giant nerds all everyone was a nerd so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   it wasn't and then the people who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:50   in what was called the simulated games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:52   club because that's how nerdy are high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   school was that I would like the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:59   not when I say top nerves that makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:02   sound like we were running the place but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:03   we were like the nerdiest of the Nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:05   you have like the Crandall exactly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:08   not the good so I think there's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:10   something people don't really get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:12   that you go and sit around a table and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:15   pretend to be an elf and roll dice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:20   things happen and but you're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:22   imagining it's like a shared story and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:25   think people still think that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:27   strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:27   I think that's got actually hits the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:29   nail on the head is and i said i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31   going to talk about my dissertation but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:32   I lied to you what it really comes down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:33   to is where you divide the line between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:35   reality and fantasy and and and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:37   there's still that stereotype of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   who play a role playing games don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41   where to divide that line and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:44   that we see a little bit more of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:46   feeling like I can come out of out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:47   the out of the shadows and admit a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:49   little bit that this is what I'm doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   in part because there's a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:55   like sort of spillover acceptance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:57   things like world of warcraft in public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:59   assistance spillover acceptance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   images video games in general what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   get people saying well i'm not even sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:05   that counts as nerdy anymore and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:06   forth to get people admitting to it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:08   they're still very much still a major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:10   hierarchy among a gate geeks and gamers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:13   and so on and so forth when you go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   you talked to like it like a DVD player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:16   and you're just like so do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   this is this is a geeky thing though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:20   know nine out of ten will tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:22   yeah but at least a large I don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:24   live action role playing and then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   going to talk to a larper and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:27   like yeah but at least I don't dress up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29   like a furry I mean I don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:30   dress up like an animal and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32   talk to the people who are the furries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34   and they say yeah well let's bring this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:35   back to the LARPers actually but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:40   what's interesting about that is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:41   feel like there has been some it is made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:43   its forays into the mainstream for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:45   example and was just there was two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:48   ago there was an episode of the NBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   primetime sitcom community that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:53   entirely about dungeons and dragons in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:55   which all the characters end up playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:56   this game of Dungeons and Dragons which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:58   I mean kind of blew me away in the sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   that if anyone would let somebody make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:03   half an hour behind I'm show about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:06   people playing D&D but it was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08   nice to like to the you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   there it was fairly accurate every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:14   public accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:15   yeah i mean and i think that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:18   fascinating to me that that I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:20   know if we anybody remembers I mean when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:24   we were growing up and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:26   all around the same age we were growing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:27   up there was a not just a stigma in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:29   terms of not being cool but there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31   stigma in terms of this being like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:33   an evil thing to do without that writers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   when my mother told my aunt that i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:38   playing dungeons dragons like huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:41   he's a devil worshiper in that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:42   here worshiping Satan he's not playing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:45   game and my mother was like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:46   insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:48   he is way too much of a nerd to worship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:50   Satan there's a whole movie i believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:54   called cleverly mazes and mom yes i did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:57   in which Tom Hanks actually is in it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1737">TS</a>]

00:29:00   from the early eighties in which case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:02   it's about like kids who get a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:03   too into their game of D&D and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:05   them like mercury sometimes but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:06   something I mean but this was this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:09   not uncommon people actually did think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:10   that there was like a satanic element to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   it which is kind of hilarious if you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:15   ever actually played D&D because nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   could be farther from the truth is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:18   shows up on prime-time cop dramas and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:21   police procedurals and stuff I mean yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:23   every season you had get at least one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:25   two shows that are like oh and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:27   person took the game a little too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:29   seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:30   yeah bones comes to mind there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:33   episode on that about somebody who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:34   into medieval weaponry poetry and cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:37   playing who you know kill somebody for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39   not appreciate it as much as him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:41   now that's not good i couldnít rattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:43   off some more beauty editors this at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:45   least one every season I i find that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:48   kind of kind of fascinating that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   it still has the second half so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:52   years but I feel like it the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:53   there's there are probably a lot of sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:55   of closet I mean there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:56   cosplayers there are some non closet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:58   players i know Tony you're a big fan of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:00   Vin Diesel who is loco isn't again but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:06   mean huge someone here I mean he gave a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:08   great interview of once about talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   about his love of dnd yeah yeah he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:13   down with it until I mean I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:16   got him I'm not gonna argue with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:17   are you going to do with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:18   no mr. diesel I would never argue with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:21   but it's interesting to see people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:24   that you mean clearly that's a guy with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:25   a a very an image that it's a very macho [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27   image in many ways and yet he is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:30   you know outwardly confident in talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:35   about this as a hobby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:37   and I think I see you see some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:40   same thing Jason was talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:41   bleed over from like World of Warcraft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:43   is which is pretty mainstream and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:45   did a they didn't add series i believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47   with several like three or four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   celebrities who would each be talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:51   about their characters including I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:52   mr. t if i recall correctly replace it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   but I think it's really relevant to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:56   mentioning celebrities here and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58   that you need to get to a certain level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1858">TS</a>]

00:30:59   of celebrity before you can admit to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:01   this level of kinkiness to some extent i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03   mean like take samuel jackson samuel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:06   jackson is kind of an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:07   example to just because there's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:09   kinds of race stereotypes tied up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:12   geeks and gaming and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14   but look how long it took in his career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:16   of him making a name for himself before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:18   he got to take the kind of roles that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:19   really wanted to take and suddenly i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:21   playing a computer hacker in Jurassic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:23   Park it turns out he's a Jedi now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25   know I mean adjust his roles just got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   sort of nerdier a nerdier as he went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29   along you know but it takes a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:31   before you can get to that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:32   you're gonna need to establish your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:34   Hollywood persona first and in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:36   the mainstream medicine in terms of came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:38   back a little bit to the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:39   warcraft thing I mean I've never play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:40   World of Warcraft myself but I know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:43   don't playing people who do and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   oftentimes people who fall outside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   the typical the stereotypes but I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:50   to talk about one thing in particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:51   which is the fourth edition of D&D which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:55   I think we've all played a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57   and which some people at which is both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:00   been praised and criticized within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:03   you know the role-playing games fear for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:06   either being great because it opens up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:09   the the gaming aspect to lots of new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:12   players coming in from places like World [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14   of Warcraft and then of course there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   always the negative push back in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18   of people who claim that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:20   oh it dumps it down and and takes away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22   all the good parts of it so i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   curious to know if any of it from those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26   who have played fourth edition and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:27   especially have also played previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29   editions like how are your feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:32   well i think i have an opinion that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:33   people won't agree with well so I'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:36   first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:36   I could already with you whenever you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:38   going to say I agree yeah I mean I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:41   I mean obviously games have wildly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:43   different mechanics built into them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:46   I mean I know a lot of people will talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:48   about how great mechanic is a game or it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:50   how lame a mechanic is another game but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:53   to me I mean I don't feel like it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:55   social interactions and how the game is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:56   Ron and who the other players are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   shapes the experience so much more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00   the mechanics and I mean the mechanics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   are still part of that but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04   I especially given that a gamemaster can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:06   you know I think you can pick and choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:09   how you want to do stuff right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11   I think there's the there's the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:12   tricky thing of looking at like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   rule book or dungeon master's guide and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:15   being like this is how I have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   everything when really it's like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:19   a way that you could do stuff you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:21   probably figure out what you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:22   actually and and I think there's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:23   there's just there's there's a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25   element of like nostalgia for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:26   pastimes of D&D systems how you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:30   system suc- negative armor class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:35   come on you have to figure out you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:37   to hit hired hit lower it make any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39   if they can figure out a way to remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:42   mass from Dungeons and Dragons i'm happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   i'm like not anti mouth but it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:46   another thing i have to do while i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:47   running a game like doing math in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   head i use it i have a piece of scrap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:52   paper now so I can do it easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:53   well maybe I'll get a graphing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:54   calculator eventually but if they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   invent invent dice too just like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   roll it and you get like a smiley face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00   or like a thumbs down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:01   I'm good and it's not like the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:04   second edition a D&D books are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:06   anywhere I mean there's still there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   there on your shelf you can probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:09   find more to use bookstore and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:11   have all of them then I that's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:15   books remember maybe you want to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:17   through them again you think it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:19   you can actually run that game if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:20   were actually that kind of crazy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:21   nostalgic creep but no I want to argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:26   but I don't want to do is play Dungeons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   and Dragons second edition i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   argue about this dragon for that isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:31   on the internet I mean that's a valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:34   hobby too i don't have been arguing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:36   the internet is a time-honored cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:38   tradition that I the world or blossom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:41   honored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:42   disagree so i guess the consensus is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:48   fourth edition is great is the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:49   thing since sliced bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:50   I i love it and anyone who disagrees is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:53   on the internet i mean i-i wouldn't jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:57   into sailing all I think fourth editions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:58   a huge improvement but i will say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   I've been I find it easier to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:04   against it i mean it maybe you could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:05   this dumb down it's more accessible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   it's easier to play let me put it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:08   way if you were to say to me let's get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:10   together a second edition game you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:11   for gags I would probably say I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:15   know about that but yeah keep me posted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:16   to keep me in the loop and then when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:18   night comes I'm washing my hair but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20   know if if you say let's get together a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:21   fourth edition game i might just play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:23   just to have an excuse to hang out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:24   my friends kinda like Tony saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:26   know but but wha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:29   but i will say that i do think actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:31   that the mechanics of a game can make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   a lot more interesting and that's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:35   the reasons why I'm not not really that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37   interested in dnd anymore is that I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:40   playing games where I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:41   central conceptual or thematic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:42   connection to what we're doing out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:46   the game what we're doing in this story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:48   you know that's one thing I really loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:49   about castle falken steam in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51   setting where you know dice were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:52   associated with criminals and vagabonds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:54   and so you would use playing cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   instead each suit represented a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   type of action that you could take part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   and so there's always a sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:02   wonderful unexpected moment where you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   be like oh you're in the situation you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:05   can't get out of what will you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:07   and then someone will pull out the ace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:08   of spades and turn out to be a social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:10   master after all and i don't i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:12   know why that matters to me more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:13   then being able to roll 20-sided dice I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:16   guess I just the dice installed you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:17   never really sunk in with me but but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:21   you can buy a pound of dice and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:23   buy a pundit I i have bought a pound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:26   nice i highly recommend one of the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:28   investments that made two out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:31   four of us up on Desperate so fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:34   percent of the uncomfortable pie gasps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:35   recommend you buy a pound of dice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:37   immediately it is like 15 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:38   something and you will never buy dice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:41   again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:41   sure you would be a full not to buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:43   pound of us right now yeah a fool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:46   yeah go to amazon if you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:49   think there's any way i can profit off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:50   this but now are we getting Commission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52   was gonna ask you a Jason the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:54   commissioners people's happiness that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:55   right said ten percent of your happiness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57   toss it back i'm in well I will sit out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2217">TS</a>]

00:37:03   i will say that i have played every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:05   major version of Dungeons and Dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:08   and I would fourth edition is certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:13   the fastest and easiest to play I go out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:16   so my current game we're playing fourth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:18   edition and I'm actually running it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:21   we can do like three or four encounters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:22   in the span of three hours and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:26   previous editions you might have spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:29   three hours getting ready to play one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:31   encounter because there are a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:34   rules to go through that is that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:36   pretty mean that's that's sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:37   tangible difference in in that amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:38   you know one of the best parts of 4th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:40   edition may have just been like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:42   crazy go nuts their marketing campaign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:43   was such that got like lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:46   excited about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:47   I mean Mike my campaign running right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:50   now really only exists because a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:52   of people who've never played Dungeons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:53   and Dragons you know saw and sporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:56   were like we should do this we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:57   make this happen to it because they you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2277">TS</a>]

00:38:00   know they put a ton of money into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:01   advertising it everywhere i thought i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   taw commercial for it on hulu watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05   that those are weird commercials they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07   weird commercials and I SAT there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:09   thinking like I saw that it starts in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:10   this sort of like drawn on graph paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:12   look and I'm staring at it I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:14   is this a commercial for D&D now I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:17   beat that be still it and then it keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:19   going like this is that's like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   that's like a mind flayer is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:22   that's all that sweet has brought money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:26   yeah I was gonna say this is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:28   as well which is the coast thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:29   it came right on the tales of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   magic the gathering commercials didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:32   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:33   their magic the gathering comer y [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:34   absolutely totally stopped watching TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36   at the wrong time here for the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:39   time or the right I I vaguely remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:42   some kind of you know audience testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:45   commercial that involved her loom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:46   Minotaur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:49   wow that's a that's an entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:52   different podcast which I will not be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:55   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:56   you can't just walk away now after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:59   introducing me to magic i introduced to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:02   the magic like 18 years ago yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:05   the stand has never left me God that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:09   number was way too high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:10   I i want to know also if you guys had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:13   any suggestions I think we have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:16   listeners who are who are definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:18   into you know things like science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20   fiction movies and books and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   that but maybe fewer her interval [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:23   playing and so I was kind of curious if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:26   you guys had any advice is quite the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:29   right word but like in enticement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:31   coaxing like anything that might get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:35   somebody who's kind of skeptical because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:36   i think i think you know most of us can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:38   agree that there's something fun about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:40   role-playing games and I'm kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:43   curious as to how you might sway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:45   somebody who is a little bit skeptical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:46   or just unsure about giving it a try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:49   I mean I think the trickiest thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:52   role-playing games you need a group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54   that's kind of committed to meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:55   regularly so maybe but rather than like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:58   jumping right into trying to run a D&D [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:01   campaign you play some kind of board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:04   game or something where it's it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:05   of a little bit lower threshold in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:07   of a commitment we played briefly though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:09   that the actual Dungeons and Dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   castle ravenloft board game which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:14   know I wasn't super impressed with but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:17   maybe that would be kind of a good segue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   into seeing what is this like I gateway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   drug the gateway drug yeah or even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   a one-time one-shot role-playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:24   adventure that yeah I think more than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:25   meeting and they have the FB if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:28   crazy if you want if you're crazy if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   want to do touches the dragon if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32   its aid they came up with the the redbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:35   right which is kind of like a beginner's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38   dungeons and dragon has pre-rolled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:40   characters and including makers and has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:44   easier rules than even fourth edition so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:46   you can just pick that up if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:48   interested in in playing DD I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:51   trick is finding other people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:53   also interested in playing rise the hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:56   I mean even if you wanted to jump to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:58   playing D&D campaign wizards of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:01   coast has released the first campaign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:04   that they created for 4th edition keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:06   on the Shadowfell you can download that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:07   is a free pdf there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:09   website I mean role-playing games are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   not super expensive as far as obvious go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:13   but you can you get into this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:15   basically free if you want to try it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17   before sinking your life-saving into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19   miniatures and back in a dry erase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:21   markers and other other stuff you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:24   really need and i think that's that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:27   mean what's a lot like the house doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   this I don't know why it's kind of hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:32   to explain i'm especially considering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:34   that those stereotypes are still there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   and when i try to explain what I enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38   about it i'm very tempted to say things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:42   that what will really tap into those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   stereotypes and frankly we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:47   before about like when we got in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:49   role-playing games and such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:50   the first thought I had was into all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:52   first time somebody Randy for me it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:54   when I was a little kid and playing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:57   my little brother with the kid down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:58   street and we pretended to be beating up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   bad guys and going on adventures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   saving people and stuff because the that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:04   part of like your sort of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   childlike adventure brain it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:09   mean it doesn't have to die you go and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:11   feel like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:12   it was the reason that we don't we stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:15   doing that to some extent is because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:18   know other people are watching us and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:21   there's a way that it can be engaged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23   and you dress it up however you want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:26   dress that's all we're doing it using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28   you know figures and math and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30   much more complicated and intricate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   technical map if that's what you got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:33   do they call it back sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:35   personally I like to think of it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:36   terms of the width and the kind of role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:39   players like to play too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   I like to think it was geared toward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:42   more like improvisational acting then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:45   necessarily more like a war game I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:48   you know just putting on another role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:50   for a lot like to think of it is is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   also sort of analogous to just telling a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:55   story with a bunch of friends help which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:58   is i mean i really liked writing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2578">TS</a>]

00:42:59   really like storytelling and I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:01   you get together and it's potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:03   free as Tony said and yet you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:04   a better story than what most Hollywood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   movies are going to give you and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   feel like you helped make that story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:09   which is something that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11   computer role-playing games and video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:12   game role-playing games can let you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:13   too but they're so restrictive compared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:16   to what you can do with just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:17   improvisational thinking among your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:20   and such so that that's that's my why i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:23   think i think i agree with that night I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:25   really personally I love storytelling as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:27   well and I do a lot of writing but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:30   know there's definitely a point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:31   you feel totally tapped out and writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:33   and you're staring at a blank screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:34   you're just frustrated that you can tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   stories does go fast enough or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:38   and so having that element of being able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:40   to sit around with a bunch of friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:41   and tell that story and not having like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:44   the feeling stymied in terms of like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:47   got i just can't think of what's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:48   to happen next like things sort of get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   pushed along with or without you and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:51   have to adapt and and react and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:54   like that I find that really appealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:55   and I and I agree that there is a large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:58   element of improvisational acting to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00   role-playing elements of the game and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:02   you can sort of it's a nice mix between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:05   that and something that's just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:06   board game which engages a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:08   part of your brain and makes you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:09   about strategy and tactics and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:12   it's nice to be able to take a break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:13   when you're playing D&D and maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:15   like all right you got like you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:16   few minutes like rolling dice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:18   thinking about numbers and lookin at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:19   your sheet and everything and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:21   know maybe you know 15 20 minutes of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:23   car now I'm going to like interact is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:24   this character and there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:26   different parts of your brain that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:28   getting engaged by that which I i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:31   no but maybe that's because I'm a loser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:35   I don't think it's interesting that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:38   girlfriend i was i was trying to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:41   sense of what people like about the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:43   that I i I've been running on and off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   for the last several months and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   asked you Tony what are you getting out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:48   of standard you getting this is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   girlfriend when she gets out of that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:51   she said I just like seeing you act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:54   really funny and playing different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:55   characters and so like she basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   just shows up because you know other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:58   people she is his friends with are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:01   and one of them happens to be her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:04   boyfriend you goofs off cool completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:07   so I feel like that social element is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:09   such a central part of it too you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:12   yeah absolutely well one other question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:16   asks or as we're wrapping up here is do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:18   you guys have a favorite like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:20   memorable character or like a favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:24   character that you've played at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:25   point in the past either from you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:28   like a story perspective or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   just in terms of something you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:31   liked about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:33   I i do have a character I played this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:36   character who was a drought help and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:40   you're not familiar with the dungeons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:42   and dragons setting brownells are evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:46   school can see it and then living for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:49   dat paper dioramas they live underground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:51   and they have magical cities and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:53   worship spiders and it all makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:57   I play this so he was an archer who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2757">TS</a>]

00:46:02   blind and chaotic evil and I i played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:08   him for many years and through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:11   course it wasn't really is everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:13   characters and that's just kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:14   manifestation of yourself as well it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:16   true it's just it's the other part of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:18   and at one point our party had a paladin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:22   in it and if you don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:23   paladins are there are you know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:25   these exemplars of all that is good in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:28   the world and in fact they can detect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:30   evil and if they find evil characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:32   generally they don't want to associate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:33   with them so for whatever reason the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:36   person playing the Paladin did not ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:39   do anything to me put my character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:42   plotted to assassinate the paladin and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:45   did in fact kill the paladin and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:48   throughout the course of our adventure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:49   we came across some treasure and the DM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:52   kind of nonchalantly said oh and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:54   are many platinum bars which is what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2814">TS</a>]

00:47:00   would take if you are an evil character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:01   so I i had a bag of holding and I took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   all of our platinum bars and I had so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:07   much money that diem was like you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:08   to do something with all this money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:10   you can't buy magic items so I built the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:13   castle and hired an army [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:15   I invited the rest of the characters to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:19   come to my castle and i have my army [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:21   killed them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:26   wow wow as do you still have friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:29   after that I well that was what i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:32   going to college so I was like a play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:36   with you guys can I guess I'm gonna cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:38   those ties it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:40   that's that's pretty mercenary there wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:42   yeah I got I got nothin like that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:45   don't want to follow I care my friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:47   it's really it's really holding me back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:49   is a play wasn't going to let you scan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:52   and i have to admit i don't i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:55   think back to any character i ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57   played is one that i found particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:58   interesting or I mean you know i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:00   had fun playing but when you ask me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:03   my favorite character had a chance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:04   play was actually one of the non-player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   characters for for the denominator that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08   we've been playing it and not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:10   because of what I did with it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   because of because of my players did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:13   with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:15   this character's name is and ross are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   the nose look who I mean it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:21   educate commonly known as Andy yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23   I mean isn't that his name is not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:25   address our concerns he lives in West [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:26   Philadelphia and he would like to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28   wuss or someday and he was basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:31   just put into the game to be comic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:33   relief as you know this this perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:35   mundane human who is constantly hanging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:37   around haranguing the player characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   trying to get them to take them along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:40   adventures and stuff it would definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:42   be detrimental to his health and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:45   constantly just being underfoot and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   just wanted to put them in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:48   basically that to have a laugh and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:52   to get him killed eventually instead as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:55   a sort of hollow-point boiler is 100 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:59   but that's that's not what happened the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:01   the day that he was going to potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:02   get killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   what it is is kind of what i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   started liking him as a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:07   because um one of the players basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:11   i'm shocked him into fainting and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:14   essentially you know this is what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:16   is really David here's a decapitated had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:18   this problem this is really dangerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:21   what were involved with its you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:24   you should really get away but if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26   really committed to helping us then just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:28   be aware of what this we're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:29   involved with and putting it in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:32   didn't actually occur to me that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:33   would be invited in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:34   in that way and that's what he had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:36   looking for so I was just kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:38   all right I guess he'll take it and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:40   ended up actually growing as a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:43   which is something i never actually been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:44   intended for him and so I guess I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:47   that character as someone who sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:50   represents that sort of collaborative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:52   aspect of storytelling that like if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:53   hadn't been for what my players were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:55   doing then things would have taken a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:57   completely different completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:59   different turn it is just an idea I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:02   he's still gonna be around for comic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:03   relief but you know probably won't kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:05   me but that is really i mean but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:09   cool to have somebody developing I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:10   think very similarly about like TV shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:12   i like where you know you start with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:14   character who might be a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:15   off-putting or sort of comic and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:18   and then develop surprising depth depth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:21   or to have visitors if it's bad I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:25   talk to make their but you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:27   it's their bodies a great example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:29   many of there are a lot of characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:30   you start off as kind of annoying comic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   relief characters who also who actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:33   develop these really you know other in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:37   you know other sides of their characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:39   that really show off the dramatic angles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:41   whenever somebody it's cool when that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:42   happens in a game that's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   improvisational don't need you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:47   digital with characters give enough time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:49   I you know maybe Mike the characters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:51   player this are just not there to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53   one-dimensional my cuz i tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   remember the stories to take place in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:59   the adventure more than my characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:00   Tom I don't know it's kind of amusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02   when you play guess maybe I maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04   there's a little Scott McNulty and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:05   of us when you play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07   everything is antagonistic toward toward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:10   the group I mean there's a game of dread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12   where I would play the like basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14   drug-addicted doctor who you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:16   yeah and I i played him as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18   drug-addicted doctor he wasn't very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:20   reliable he had issues he had a bookie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:24   loan money to let you know other players [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:27   found that frustrating and get in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:31   gate one of the games of a nominated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:33   play-by-play uh an angel who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:35   basically like the NARC of angels and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:37   wants it was his job to go around like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:39   make sure the other angels were like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:41   know keeping it clean and not swearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:43   and stuff and one of the other hairs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:45   would like want to murder people all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:46   time and they would like you like shake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48   his head and he'd get really pissed off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50   so that's basically like buying a castle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:54   and hiring an army to have all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:56   friends killed he trips up to step down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3116">TS</a>]

00:52:00   but yeah close you could work up to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:01   but I mean I and I guess perhaps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:04   perhaps it's unfortunate but it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:06   fun to play a character that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:08   players react to a little bit though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:10   perhaps it doesn't always have to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12   kind of a obstacle antagonistic kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   way because I I'm you know their games i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:17   played with other people wear when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   somebody creates a character that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:20   becomes like a bigger problem that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:22   whatever the problem you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:23   solve is that can be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:24   frustrating but yeah I think it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:26   of it's fun for me when that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   recognize a little here or if it's a DM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:30   because we're playing is so much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:32   cooperating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34   yes whenever you have something or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36   someone a character that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:38   cooperate and kind of breaks that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:40   of trope it makes it a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:42   interesting for me and probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:43   frustrating for everyone else but just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:45   find it interesting the one of the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   frustrating experiences in my ill-fated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   vampire the masquerade games one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:52   characters it what the other players [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:54   playing a character like his thing would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:57   that he would he would go into like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:58   murderous rage and kill lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:00   and then like come out of it and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02   remember anything like we spent three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:05   games s in a room where all we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:06   doing was hiding bodies of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08   this guy get killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:11   likely we like I mean there was like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:13   ongoing mission that we were supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:14   be addressing but no words we're busy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16   like cleaning up after this guy all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18   time it's like you know you had three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:20   bodies and it loses a little charm i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:23   think that is and three Bob and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:25   everything especially you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   player would sit there smugly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:28   laughing at all of us as we you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:30   scrambled to clean up the chaos has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   created I'm just saying you kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:34   somebody you don't pitch it on on how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:36   your body what kind of vampire are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38   and but at least that makes a good story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:39   I think I'm more and more inclined to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:42   forgive the player who's being a jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:44   for the sake of making things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:45   interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:46   then forgive the player who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:47   completely unintentional ed railing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49   game by obsessing over rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51   I I mean Rose lawyers is my least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:54   favorite form of person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:57   Hitler was in ruins lawyer oh wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3237">TS</a>]

00:54:02   Godwin's law Oh understand this week I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:07   mean we had we had we had a player in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:08   this denominator game good dear dear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:10   friend of mine who's no longer allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:12   to play no longer allowed to play the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:14   kind of angel who possesses people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:15   because our meetings became this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:18   tedium of hierarchy so I've got two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:21   pigeons and I've got this guy's a drug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   dealer but it's in my nature to leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:24   him in better shape than I found him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:26   so dan you gotta give me fifty bucks as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:29   if the guy had a good day selling drugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:31   because I'm yeah let's talk about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:34   it's like to live life as a drug dealer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:35   power my pigeons doing remember exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37   and so that this is what are this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:39   what our adventure became was taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:41   care of pigeons and drug dealers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:44   was that was definitely not what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:46   signed up for when i signed up to be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:49   angel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:50   yeah i was gonna cheat a little bit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:53   mine which is that this is a character I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   played in an online game a role-playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:57   game home which was a star wars base now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3297">TS</a>]

00:55:00   even when I totally get yeah I got Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:02   really riled up over there wasn't an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:04   Ewok it was not any you are sadly no you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:09   see keeps the sort of a smuggler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11   mercenary type of courses helped a but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:15   it-it-it yes everyone's laughing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:17   I play I template syntax characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:19   I'm very unoriginal and so in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:22   particular character head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:24   signed up to help a a Imperial Admiral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:27   defect in the game and he managed to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:31   know get this guy out and you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   life was going fine until one day when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:36   he was walking down the street and got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:38   into a sort of discussion with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:40   someone else and then destroyed started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:43   suspiciously coming over so being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   suspicious type II shot the droid which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   turned out to be full of explosives and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:49   actually died and i was i was very sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3349">TS</a>]

00:55:51   that he died and i could not believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:53   that i had actually had a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:55   totally just killed in front of my eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:57   and it was it was a pretty pretty moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3357">TS</a>]

00:56:00   experience for me I said to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:02   character deaths and be as the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:04   who has caused many of them can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:05   traumatic experience especially in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:10   game system where resurrection is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   nor it's not like wow he's dead but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:14   there's enough pieces of them left we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:15   can hold him back to the healer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:16   yeah i mean it can be very permanently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18   you know and and when you spend a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:20   time invested a lot of time in building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:22   a character that then you know through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24   for whatever reason he just doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:27   it out i think you know it can be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   it can be very affecting if anybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:32   listen to the the penny arcade podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:34   yeah which they do a role-playing game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:36   one of the one of the main characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:38   dies after being trapped in a pool of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40   Ascension acid it's very set worst kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:45   of acid and he's very angry he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:48   feel he was angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:49   yeah yeah well you know that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:52   definitely you invest a lot of time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:54   and and emotion in building your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:55   character and turning him into a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:57   fleshed-out person and then you throw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59   all away by walking into ascension acid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:01   i think there's something we can all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:04   learn that stay away from Santa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:06   desiccants what we've got to the PSA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:10   fortunate that you use the buddy system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:11   for goodness sake don't split the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:14   parties yeah really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:16   I i will say in New the words of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:19   Scotland healthy this podcast is over or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:22   more or less over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:23   well we we we have pretty much reached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:25   the end of our allotted hour so I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:28   to thank you guys all for joining me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:30   being willing to talk about dungeons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:33   dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:34   yes yes I'm going to be distorting your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:35   voices and changing your name soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:37   he actually knows who you are thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39   Tony your work anytime thanks Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:43   tossing thank you for someone in need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:44   and of course Scott mcafee thank you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:48   we'll see you next time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:59   that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:11   the other ducks on campaign that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:13   played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:14   once again showing my twisted nature I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   had all my players they're very excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18   because this isn't dark sun second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:20   edition first came out it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:22   nothing in that that I guess tsr at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:25   time had ever done before so we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:26   very excited spent hours making of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:29   characters and giving equipment and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:30   that in the first edition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:32   well the second edition dark sun you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:34   start off in third level because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:36   so difficult yep so they they spent like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:38   hours creating characters and coming up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:40   with the perfect equipment and I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:42   okay started the adventure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:44   they were all you know whatever doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:46   something in the city and I said you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   captured by slavers and they take all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:49   the stuff that happens you Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:55   it was awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbNS0zk/3535">TS</a>]