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the incomparable podcast is Morgenstern
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page one number 25 for february's 2011 i
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would like to tell you a story based on
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a film based on a book that's not based
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on another quick didn't ever actually
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exist the topic today is the princess
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bride a fine film from the nineteen
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eighties a good decade directed by
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robert wieder a movie that was a minor
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success i suppose at the time and yet
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has become one of the most quoted and I
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think beloved cult if it can even be
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called a cult film anymore so much to
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talk about joining me today to discuss
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this beloved film our serenity Caldwell
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hi Jason Glenn fleischmann howdy
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Greg moss hello Jason and Dan Morgan hi
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thanks for coming back it's been awhile
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it has so the princess bride a movie
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that i don't think i ever saw in the
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theater I was alive when it was in the
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theater which puts me up on some people
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yeah that's ok but but I didn't see it
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either i did I saw on home video and I
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was wondering what everybody was quoting
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I didn't understand any of the quotes
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when people were quoting things in
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college I had no idea and then I saw the
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princess bride well those are all from
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one movie and I think we're going to
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need to establish the ground all that
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the first person who kind of
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unintentionally spasmodically quotes the
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movie losses or did they win
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no they lose they lose the game points
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for style
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ok ok so you've got to go this entire
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podcast without making a reference to
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the princess bride I don't think that's
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gonna work
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that's inconceivable in fact there are i
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was gonna say never go in against a
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sicilian when death comes online it's
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only mostly inconceivable
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now this podcast is over yes so first
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thing I wanted to talk about about the
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princess bride is to begin at the
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beginning and talk about the framing
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sequence because one of the interesting
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things about this movie is that it is it
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is a once-upon-a-time kind of fairytale
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and it is told as
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story by a grandfather to his grandson
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and so we've got these scenes at the
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beginning end in a couple places in the
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Middle not too much they don't they
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don't overdo it
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where you've got what you got young Fred
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Savage young before the wonder years
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even young fred savage and old Peter
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Falk before he was really really old
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Peter Falk but still old a little bit
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scary and Fred savages in his room with
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his chicago bears stephane and he's
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playing I think it's micro League
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Baseball I'm like a Commodore 64 and and
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then we and then he tells Peter Falk
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tells him the story of the princess
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bride is Morgenstern and then you know
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he interjected a few points in at the
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end there it is spoilered huh
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he finishes the story at the end and and
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it's kind of hard work but I it's
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interesting that they chose to do this i
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mean the space on a book the book itself
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has its own framing sequence which is a
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little bit different and how would you
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adapt that but it is charming although
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every time I put in the movie i'm i'm
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shocked because the the main part of the
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story is so timeless and yet the framing
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sequence is so so very eighties it's the
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original book i think i read a librarian
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high school suggested it to me and I
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don't think she told me that it was a
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parody and i think i was just naive
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enough that when I read it I thought it
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was I don't know who you're callin was
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and so I started reading it and I don't
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you know I should have even at that
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point known because i was at like film
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and I was like man this is sort of
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bizarre and while I guess the original
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book would really boring and they're
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like oh okay I get it now I think I
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should have seen that already but yeah
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okay because he's talking about how he's
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adapted it from the original form s
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Morgenstern in there lots of footnotes
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and judge things like that he took out a
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40-page sequence describing the flory
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and royalty and how they dress it was an
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elaborate parody that is Morgenstern is
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written that he didn't think modern
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audiences were peasants it's like half a
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paragraph and it just blows by it you
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think wow it was written so colloquially
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actually read a little bit like
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nonfiction until starting until you get
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to rodents of unusual size and some
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other obvious giveaways but it seemed
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like he was reinterpreting a story it's
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like someone found talkin lord of the
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rings and turned it into a
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your page breezy tale about a guide us
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to throw a runaway well i think if you
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look at the actual like circumstances
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that arose in the inn in Goldman's
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writing the story which is to say I
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believe he has two daughters and yes I'm
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one night
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what do you want to hear a story about
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before you go to bed and one of them
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said a princess and the other one said a
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bride so he combined them basically to
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create this and so it has a very Desiree
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bedtime story quality right like it
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veers off in strange directions but as
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though it is all being invented on the
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spot in some ways but as if you drop off
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momentarily you wake up and the plot is
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really remarkably different because we
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missed a piece of it and very colloquial
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like you know like sort of a dry humor
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of a you know someone telling a story
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that is set in grounded in a particular
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time but he's telling it from the
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perspective of a time that like like
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jason said like you know the family
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stories very narrow in anchored in the
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eighties and so it has a very the whole
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thing has a very anachronistic style to
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it right like the people the way people
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talk for a lot of it and the the jokes
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and references are all like Billy
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Crystal's characters is exactly such a
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random you know random voice that the
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miracle it the miracle max and Valerie
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his wife do it's it's it's even miracle
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max and Valerie Wright like us don't
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know it seemed to fit in a semi in the
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world of the story but they do because
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nothing quite fits when I first saw the
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movie i thought they just didn't fit all
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it seemed just just bled into me and
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then I read the book in there in the
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book exactly the same way they're
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described as elderly Jews in the book
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and you know this was this was from a
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time like before Europe was invented is
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the quote that uses and then his copy
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editor he says he says in the notes that
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his copy editor it in the notes within
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the book that is copy editor said how
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could how is that even possible before
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Europe has invented was that mean
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and so his invented copy editor he says
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that's the first time they've had gotten
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emotional with me in the margins and the
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the book is an astonishingly faithful
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adaptation he leaves out very very
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little in his screenplay and everything
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proceeds exactly as its he got exactly
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what he wanted and Goldman wrote the
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screenplay too right yeah I noticed i'm
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watching it there actually are some
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editing and continuity
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there's like the movie is a little
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sloppier than I remember
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no Mike's come down into this into the
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scene but they really uh it's it's a
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it's choppy at points not sure that's
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intentional to follow the book story or
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because they just kinda you know they
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whipped it out this is not gotten me you
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know 25-year golden deluxe reissue
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anniversary set yet
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well that's actually not true because i
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own this island this movie on DVD twice
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already
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really one of them is the anniversary
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edition and it does have some extras and
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stuff that the original and I think the
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print is a little bit better is the
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printer master that would be my only
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question
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yeah it still doesn't look at grabbing
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this is a movie that is deserving of a
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real rehab treatment although i don't
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know how they shot and how good the
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quality of the masterĂs but but they
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did do something like that they added a
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commentary track and some interviews and
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I've actually seen this in in 35
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millimeter film at are at our college
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campus movie theater when I was when I
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was an undergrad I'm and the print was
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was terrible and of course but I mean
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you know you go it was at midnight and
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everybody went there and of course
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everybody is quoting along and so it
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didn't really matter if it was a
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terrible printer not it was a great
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experience rocky horror of fantasy
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it kind of reminded me of ladyhawke i
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just rewatched it input i noticed during
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the preparation for this podcast i just
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rewatched you watching you watch
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ladyhawke in preparation for this month
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yell but i have i have seen part of it
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recently love Lady Hawks with my
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favorite films from that time I was
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trying to think of other movies that are
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like this and the only thing I could
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come up with was Stardust it's kind of a
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self-conscious adventure parody Omar I
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think princess brides the rest of them
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but why don't they make more movies like
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this i think this is a terrific movie in
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a terrific templates for years since
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I've seen it but what about like Time
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Bandits kinda reminds me of that too
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well you're right about Stardust the
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Stardust is a really good example and a
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movie i liked and did have a little bit
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of that vibe time pants at which far
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Senate I think and puppets the parson
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puppets Carson puppets is the downfall
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of my career is my new hot pie store is
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going to call farce and puppets
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that's my autobiography imaginarium of
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doctor parnassus also had kind of a
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field anybody saw that very few people
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did for 44 people sorry there are their
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talent terry gilliam you know
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has kind of elements of this but I i
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think or maybe a little too have the
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heart is a little too black
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yeah he goes he goes a little dark with
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his little too weird to a little too
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well watching the movie again reminded
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me of all kinds of things i had
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forgotten about from that era among
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other things that cary elwes an
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incredibly funny physical actor which I
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you know I guess I and I've seen plenty
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of stuff since but he's come to use a
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stiff sometimes he's full of himself
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sometimes he's not really acting and he
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is got a straight face this whole thing
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and it's just incredibly funny to watch
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Kerry Ellis was one of those people that
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I followed somewhat obsessively through
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middle school and high school even
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though his career was pretty much a dead
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end at that point it's like mid mid
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nineties early two thousands it wasn't
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doing much but i like it when he was the
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impediment agent on The X Files that's
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when I I saw that I thought really
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Kerry else is in it playing you know
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kind of a kind of the the count
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wonderful he is a snake and I'm like oh
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not saw or small TV parts even if it is
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a terrible movie
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can we come to some consensus on his
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always said l's but I guess LLS i'm
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consulting wikipedia which does not have
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a pronunciation carry Elvis this is like
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well sure something it could be anything
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like that elvish in elvish carry out why
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is he not in order
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rings Bell to relish it yes that's true
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so so he's opposite he's oppositely
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young Robin Robin right there yes very
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young i would like to claim credit for
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knowing Robin right before anybody else
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because in high school I would come home
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every day and plopped down in front of
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Santa Barbara the Four Seasons soap
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opera is this something you want to
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admit Greg it was awesome wasn't it i
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had and i have never given myself up to
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anything even remotely like that before
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or since
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it had not v martinez a margin 49 one of
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the many many Martinez it was very
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enjoyable and then Robin Wright goes off
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to an actual career and I just think
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she's sorry you mentioned santa barbara
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that's where all the you know hot girls
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come from is whenever I happened to be
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watching
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I just I'm just gonna put it I happen to
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have carrier was as wikipedia page up
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and since we're trying to figure out his
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name and I scroll down to his credits
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and i gotta say i absolutely love that
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his credits include include TV credits
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include such wonderful things as pinky
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and the brain
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yeah i'm not and the x-files as Jason
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mentioned but most recently among two of
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these rolls are the young pope john paul
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the second home
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the adventuresome pope john paul is
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saying some sort of you know villa or
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you know presumably probably have
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villain in 111 order SVU and Ted Bundy
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actually I'm gonna put every plug which
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is to say he did a small recurring role
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guest role on psych in the last couple
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seasons as a like a jewel thief and he
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was actually really really still working
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hey what is arming he's got the charm
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he's still working and I get our Michael
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Caine's out there who take what comes
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because that's how they pay the bill
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that's right there's nothing wrong with
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that and and of course Robin Wright has
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gone on to be in many many things but
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here she was you know she's she's the
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princess she was introduced with this
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movie that was our credit that was the
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first time I'd seen in introducing
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introducing credit since like you know
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the thirties it's the aunjanue it's a
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throwback I really
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mmm that is she really did about she did
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practically no acting the entire thing
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so that's that's what the introduce you
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just need to look around you throughout
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this film put on a fake accent mr. sort
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of but it's really is the traditional
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role you introduce the actress in order
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that we may view her through the film
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later he may be allowed to act but in
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this introduction you must just observer
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i don't know i love her delivery of the
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line the which is it the one that most
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likely kill myself in the morning or the
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it nothing i'm gonna go to my lock
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myself in my room and shoot I've lost
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one see i'm really i'm gonna win the
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award for you're not bothering me from
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watching princess bride she tells the
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king but she's gonna she's gonna kill
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himself kill herself and he says would
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that be nice
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yes before the West she kissed me yeah
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that's right i love that i liked her
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delivery there it sounds kind of
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despondent but uplifting at the same
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well and also the the ever so popular oh
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my sweet whistling viton so I'm just
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runs it all together so um the structure
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of this movie is very strange
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as mentioned earlier we start with an
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extended chase essentially there's the
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prologue right there is framing sequence
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and then there's the prologue with the
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Buttercup in the farmhand yeah yeah
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kissing book but then there's the chase
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scene which is where we get to meet our
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not heroes are anti-heroes but they are
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our heroes there or at least two of them
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are kind are mercenaries and represented
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very very comfortably in the mercenary
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role play all the parts of gold Vizzini
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41 physic and Inigo Montoya played by
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mandy patinkin Andre the Giant and
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Wallace Shawn man of letters and also
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the man you don't want to go in with
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death on with the Sicilian something
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never going against a sicilian when
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death is on the line now we are you
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but i gotta throw out the one thing
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Jason you just you just like tweak like
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something in my head that made me make a
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connection i never made that's what I'm
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here for the chase scene is is very
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analogous to the chase scene from
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another William Goldman film which
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Cassidy and the Sundance Kid where you
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have the people running away and then
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there's the the follower the people who
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are disordered oddly following them and
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never quite gets shaken off the trail
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but i just found that interesting
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because there's definitely an echo in
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both those movies are both great movies
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and William Goldman's a tremendous
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writer but I thought it was funny that
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it suddenly reminded me of that because
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you you see him in the distance right
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he's following them in the boat and then
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climbs up the cliffs and everything a
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very similar scene i just think that
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there's something there
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inconceivable but so we begin you know
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they-they-they kidnapper they take her
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to the boat to go across there screaming
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heels you know they there's the boat in
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the distance and we see them and so
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we've met our three characters may have
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kidnapped the the the girl and and they
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go to cliffs of insanity
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all right do it with the list Jason the
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cliffs of insanity the they Andre the
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Giant is so powerful that he just
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basically pulls them up on her bottom
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rope with like three people hanging off
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of him i love that and faster faster
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azines we're going faster the poor poor
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Andre the Giant and then we have this
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interesting structure where once they
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get to the top of the cliffs we all
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split up in true scooby-doo fashion so
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that each character can meet the man in
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black individually instead of as a group
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where they might just kill the man in
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black and be done with it so they have
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to delivery to their back stories as
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well of course right so that it sits
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this great structure in in the middle of
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the chase where we now unspool these
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characters one by one and we need an ego
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Montoya and there isn't just a
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swordfight Inigo Montoya gets to tell
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him the whole story so Inigo Montoya has
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got to be the the most quoted character
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in this movie right I you know day he
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has great quotes why he's been growing
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like whoa whoa which is time after time
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and of course it's repeated right many
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times in the movie because he sort of
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talks about he tells the whole story of
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the six-fingered man of the six-fingered
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his father I don't but I like the other
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one I actually was able to insert into a
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fortune magazine article 99 about
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windows XP that word you use it does not
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mean what you think it means yeah and he
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goes got amigos god Ilana got a lot of
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lines singer so anytime Montoya
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obviously you killed my father prepare
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to die and it is it obviously passion
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juice that's going to really sell it I'm
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not an actor I'm quoting I'm I'm but the
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host uh our players would like if they
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would like to act out the parts we could
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do a little staging we could just sit
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here for the next 90 minutes and reenact
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the entire princess from my friend of
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mine actually did this recently he was
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at a party where it came up that at
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least a couple people there had not seen
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the princess bride and he determined he
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could pretty much do the entire movie
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from memory so he fed lines through a
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bunch of them and there he infected the
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entire pan and someone videotaped it and
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I'm like please get me a copy of this
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because i think this would be awesome
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it's the one-man show of the princess
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bride so so um any moment i love the
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swordfight great sword fighting my wife
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is a is a former fencer and she was
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amused by the fact that they fence with
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swords that would not you couldn't do
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that kind of fencing with swords like
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that so they're obviously very light
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swords but I'm it's a very exciting
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scene and the when they're talking
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during the the sword fight about the
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different methods that they're using you
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know if I you must respond with kappa
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Farrah that sort of thing those are all
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actual names of fencing new moves and
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that actually that sort of is one of my
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favorite lines which is if he has
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considered his Agrippa which I have see
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I don't know what it is about this movie
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that which i have it's light-hearted it
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has quit
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it's witty in a in a way 3 scene has had
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that infused in it and I get the sword
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fight no no it's not just it is a
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swordfight that's a pretty good sword
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fighting it's actually too because
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there's the left handed sword fight and
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then there's the right here and sword
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fight it separated by gymnastics
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yes yes the the high bar a sidebar
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gymkata anyone seen at gym
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movie of just a few years older than
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this one no I'm not sure any no money in
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it is seen in pic metal with that I've
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seen it
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Greg seen every movie ever he's in this
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town and they're all rushing at him and
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at the end of the movie and he runs into
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the center of town and there just
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happens to be a gym horse there and so
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he knows he'll gymkata skills to spin
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his legs around and beat the people off
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came out wrong
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it's a combination of gymnastics and
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some other thing from gymnastics martial
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arts like it's like the guncotton from
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equilibrium another great maybe it's the
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miraculous appearances specific to
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the action that that resonates with
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yes why is there are on a high bar in
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is ready set I was admiring that
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yesterday that was such a great set
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really is it's funny when i was doing
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stage combat my very first year of high
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school I went to an arts high school I
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we I took fencing and we actually ran
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through this seen among a couple of
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other very different film scenes in
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order to get a grip of certain
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techniques and to get taught certain
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techniques which was hilarious
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just like okay yes I'm gonna go after
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school and reenact Grand Princess Bride
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seen or seen from the matrix or
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something like that there was some high
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school it was pretty great
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I mean if you're doing matrix yes hey I
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got to I got to choreograph burly brawl
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so that was pretty great none of them
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went to college i'm a shot down the
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school and decertified it and fired all
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the teachers there's a great moment
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scattered as gems like little jewels
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chain throughout this movie one of the
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reasons i think it's an enduring film
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it's enjoyable to watch is that it's got
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ridiculously low farce and stupid crap
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in it and I mean you know i should say
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it's actually pretty high brother are no
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crap jokes was like no it's the Middle
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Ages or whatever eighteen hundreds or
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whatever supposed to be in the not
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stepping in manure you know so it's not
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an L Brooks movie we know that if I was
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about to say it
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they didn't take the mel brooks path
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other than the fact that the miracle max
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the miracle max would be the mel brooks
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part except you're not being played by
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now that billy crystal is seemingly Loki
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by comparison to hell Brooks would have
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played that but the but so little gems
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stronger at the film are these deeply
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serious moments that resonate well above
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the far so I was watching last night and
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I i remember the scene in my head but
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seeing it
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he's carry out west is making its way up
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the cliffs of insanity many tankers
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waiting for marriage like you don't go
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faster if you get a rope without you
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know I don't know what you trust me no I
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give you my what can I where is the
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Spaniard man you're known to many
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Spaniards how hard that he says I swear
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on the soul of my father don't be going
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twice you will not fall and it's like
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when a different film and he says
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they're all right just a little you get
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like 10 seconds 15 seconds of this
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beautiful moment that is completely
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genuine and then we're back to silly
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stuff in there but the same thing when
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he confronts the six-fingered man when
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he confronts the count you know he gives
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a really really effective speech about
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you know I've been searching my whole
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life and and you know and he finally he
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he gives it low-key really intensely you
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killed my father prepare to die and
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christopher guest looks at him and then
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turns and runs away you go from one of
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the great timing of the great little
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piece of the time but in the end when he
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gets to go to count Rugen he you know he
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gives a very impassioned speech it is
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the speech that he's been waiting to get
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his whole life and it's not a joke it's
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it you know he he wants him to beg for
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his life and then he's gonna say i want
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my father back you son of a bitch and
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he's going to kill a man and he does and
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it's not played for laughs and it
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shouldn't be and whenever there are some
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moments of real realism you know some
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seriousness and you have made the
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silliness
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I think the one thing that I really love
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about this film is that no line is
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really thrown away you know in in other
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films you can have there's you know
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there are scenes there are lines that
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it's obvious that the screenwriter
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either wasn't really paying attention or
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it wasn't really that it's not really
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that important just 30 advance the story
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but every single scene every single line
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in this movie is designed for several
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purposes and that's what kind of
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captures the imagination so much clearer
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yeah there are so many great just like I
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think of other moments i was just
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looking through a list of quotes refresh
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my memory but i love this scene you know
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right before we unmask the dread pirate
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roberts the man in black where he says
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he has that wonderful life is pain
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Highness anyone who sells says
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differently something good
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inches which is another like another
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sort of anachronism yes fine right but
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cute but what a great line we what
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strikes me about this movie is is it's
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the writing that makes it what it is
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inside the nerd cannon I mean it'sit's
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kind of oddball for the way movies that
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nerds enjoy because there's no sequels
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and there's not much investment in the
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world i don't have a lot of Princess
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Bride fanfic oh god but i don't i don't
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know of any cost play i don't know of
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any conventions but everybody i know
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loves this movie and can quote it like
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crazy and it has to be because of the
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writing it's a fairytale to write like
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there's an aspect to that it seems more
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like a timeless fairytale story then
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even like a a beloved movie right in
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some ways you don't tampering with it
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would be would be wrong you know it
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taking it to any of those places would
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be deserving experior it's it's magic
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and fun at its most pure it's not at you
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know you don't it's not something that
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you can take in any way mark market
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forces take things like crazy
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great great i'll send you mind my
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manuscript of about the about the the
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Gilder royal family and imaginations
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that they go through when their attempts
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to according to other than goldman i
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read something different before the show
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from goldman which said that he had
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actually tried to write a sequel but he
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said I got I got pissed at myself
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because I would stand i would sit there
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looking at a blank page i just couldn't
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think of anything to write there's
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another s Morgenstern book called the
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silent gondoliers but it's not the floor
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in universe right and even that doesn't
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see me odd-even that I said that the
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floor in universe you can talk about
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Star Trek Star Wars I i believe the
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accepted turn is the floor reverse for
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Gil diverse it just seems wrong
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it's the you know it's the the
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neverending story part 2 like ABS that
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would be here right i mean that was a
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problem that was the problem so so I
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want to I want to get back to what
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little structure this podcast has which
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I'm sort of walking part of part of this
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of the structure of the movie we left
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Inigo Montoya knocked out because it
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would be a an awful waste
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of material to leave this poor sorts
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been dead and move on the man in black
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then moves on to the to the next bit of
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peril which is Fezzik the giant played
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by wrestler wrestling hall of famer i'll
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i'll point out Andre the Giant who
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didn't speak English basically at all
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and apparently was given his lines by
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somebody off-screen before he would
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shoot the scenes so that he would yet so
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that he could save him because he was
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really really terrible at English and
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yet there's something so delightful
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about his about his double honest he's
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my favorite thing in the entire movie is
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that sometimes we have you know David
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Lynch often likes the cast like native
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people he like Andy and twin peaks the
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sheriff's deputy was like a driver and
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the guy could not act to save his life
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and was I kind of loved him because he
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had this awkwardness that was completely
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honest and and completely charming
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yeah i mean one of one of my other again
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i'm going to just list all these
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favorite things in this movie but the
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thing I love about the about the scenes
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where would where they send Fezzik to
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kill the man in black is is that the
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scene he tells him to throw to get a
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rock hide behind the high behind the
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boulder and throw the rock at his head
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and kill him and he said my way is not
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very sportsmanlike in which was my way
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that's not very sportsmanlike and and
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and again this movie doesn't such an
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amazing job of taking you're essentially
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what are supposed to be your bad guys
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and by the time they get the to the
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point where where they're going to
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perpetrate their they're supposedly evil
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acts you're on their side and you hope
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that they don't get killed by the the
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man in black and so obviously the man in
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black does his does his his best on the
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you know as God intended i think they
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say where it's a you know fist against
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fists which is slightly unfair for the
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man in black but he managed this is your
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you mean you put down your rock and I
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put that my sword and we try to kill
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each other like civilized people yes
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that's right that sportsman like not not
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not like throwing a rock at his head
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I could have hit you you know so course
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no one loves eeny there's no love for
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his no no Sol Sol Sol of busyness so now
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we get to it so now it is down to you
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and it is down to me they meet this is
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easy meets the man in black
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with buttercup tied up and there's a
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battle of wits which he accepted the
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that's right and so while sean is busy
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knee again inconceivable the one of the
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most courted things from this movie and
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such a funny part you know he--he's in
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it in the first third and then he's dead
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but you know such a just I laughs the
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entire time he's on the screen he
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captures the screen
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anytime he's on it's just eyes they're
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ok he's looking around he's got is
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gesturing me that there's a lot going on
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because he obviously thinks he's a
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genius you know and to Socrates Plato
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amateurs moron moron morons
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I just I love that was just looking at
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the the transcript of that of the battle
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of the woods which is hilarious because
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of course he spends the entire time like
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you essentially stalling gonna try to
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make all these conclusions you've
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decided then not hardly
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yeah you're just stalling now you'd like
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to think that wouldn't you
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but then he gets you know basically what
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is it all come down to he switches the
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glasses all right look over there
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yeah which is you're right i mean that's
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that's that's actually probably the
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right game but if they haven't poisoned
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both cups with I O'Kane and of course
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and of course then we learned that the
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man in black not only you know is smart
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enough to know good enough that sword
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fighting to be enabled Montoya and sort
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smarter because in you know he went into
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this game knowing there was no way he
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could lose its a brilliant strategy i
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thought when i call forward call for 25
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uncomfortable and we were talking about
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the cyanide capsule or whatever capsule
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episode it was the first right yeah
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yes and it was exactly this scene and I
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actually thought that the resolution of
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that would be that the spoiler horn cab
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driver was how to make yourself immune
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to some poison are mostly municipalities
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it seemed like the logical outcome and
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it was not that that even that leads up
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to the the Battle of it also leads up to
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one of my favorite scenes which is when
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the prince is trying to track them down
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and so we've been told this I O'Kane
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powder which he used to poison it is is
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odorless and tasteless and
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you know totally invisible and so
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there's a scene where the Prince comes
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up you know but picks up the little vial
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sniffs it and goes I Akane powder think
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it's a great scene
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yeah why I don't know because he's such
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a buffoon in like in every other way
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right really sense I ok and powder but
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there's something but it's what he does
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not smell
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yes is I ok yeah but that's that's the
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same scene where he were he says that if
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this doesn't go well he will be most put
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out what's the book has much more about
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him being mean if it's mentioned the
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movie i realized the first time you see
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the princess really doing anything he's
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tracking but there's no explanation of
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it gets down he looks at some footsteps
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and introduces the entire story from
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that which is a great tell there was a
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little what's up
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oh yes I don't know that there was a
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battle and butt in the in the book it's
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much more overtime really guy only lives
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for hunting and fighting the reason he
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wants a war with guilders because he
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wants to do some more you know fighting
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and fighting
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yeah right so I Wesley and Buttercup
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irawr reunited and he tells a story
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about the dread pirate roberts and and
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then if they go down a hill and and then
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the movie strips to a completely
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different location that's not in any way
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related to anything we've seen before
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he's a Dogma 95 issue here and I throat
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I'm just throwing that out there that is
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that the first time those two things
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have i mentioned princess bride and
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documenting five
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well let me ask you this you would think
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so you know that you know that large
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front rear and his elk right dogma
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continuity of sort of form in space
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without flashbacks we have the friendly
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mechanism which violates that but i was
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thinking and I thought about this again
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we watching the movie that the Dread
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Pirate Roberts will be a great little
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action scene right it would have been
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that well I was captured by the dread
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pirate roberts and in the book I think
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it's more of a narrative it's not him
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telling it's a little more narrow
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description
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although I'm hazy on that and I'm yet to
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resume for to preserve that continuity
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of of space didn't want to break out
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acts within flashbacks exactly the
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flashbacks to defray mechanism and
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there's the action movie which is coming
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out dreams their dream sequences that
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are cheating dream sweet sequences so I
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don't think you're right
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yeah that is outside but i also think
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Wesley telling the story of its time
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the cabin boy establishes a lot about
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his character too I mean he's he's smart
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and he's resilient and he just kind of
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goes with it
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I'll probably kill you in the morning
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sleep well most likely kill you in the
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morning he just delivers that so
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nonchalantly that it's perfect for
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pirates is good
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yeah exactly what I love that he tells
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the whole story right of the inheritance
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of the the mantle of the dread pirate
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roberts my name is Ryan yeah it i love
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the right you know my name is Ryan hired
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the ship from the previous trip pirate
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roberts and he got it from a guy named
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cover button like it's just the real
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robbers be retired 15 years and living
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like a king in Patagonia no it'sit's
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there's something lovely about that
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whole thing and I think you're right it
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does show it shows us a depth to Wesley
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that we don't get from him early on when
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he's just you know the nameless yeah
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these that he's the farm boy right you
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know and so I don't know it's I I love
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him telling the story part of that is
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again Carrie always his charisma in in
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relating the story and the tension the
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tension between them there is actually
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really nice where where he feels that
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she has betrayed him because he assumes
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that her getting married is because
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she's moved on from their true love
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which is not which is not the case
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really because she doesn't like the
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prints but she's agreed to marry him
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because what else you gonna do with
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yourself
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yeah well exactly would that be nice so
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so I like that Dad given taken and she's
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kind of mad because who is this guy and
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she's making light of of her true love
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and he's angry at her because she's you
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know not holding up her side of the deal
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of true love and I in Iowa and then of
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course she figures out but it's a really
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nice little bit of tension between them
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for that one moment so and then go into
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the fire swamp in their giant rats and
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people in giant rat costumes but i never
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understood why that i rotated 12 false
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elements in the book is the rodents of
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unusual size i feel like he was trying
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to get at something with that I don't
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know what it was that he was a parody of
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something I didn't understand he was
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parodying well i think the cliffs of
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insanity or the first time he does that
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he did something is just so ridiculously
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name you know kind of liked
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hyperbolically named and I think for
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cliffs of insanity it works for are you
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rous is I don't think it does i love the
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rous is that is one of the great moments
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of physical slap it's funny but it
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doesn't feel like it's from the universe
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doesn't feel like it's from the story
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the people named the cliffs of insanity
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wouldn't call them rodents of unusual
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yeah but I think that's part of what the
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whole thing is it's kind of all pastiche
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right it's all not quite real or worlds
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that aren't quite don't quite line up
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I feel like getting you don't get like a
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clear idea like even though you know
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sort of history about flora and killed
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or whatever but used to long
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yeah I feel it feels all disjointed like
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a jigsaw piece missing a few puzzles but
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that's actually kind of what i love
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about it is that there are all these
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little hooks in and you makes you wonder
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where did that come from or how is this
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what is this world that we're in here
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where you know it patched together for
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resources
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why'd I think he had a whole bunch of
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tropes he wanted to use I mean he just
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fill the bag with in every kind of
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cliché from fantasy and adventure so we
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have a we have a scary swamped with fire
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and monsters and crazy let's bring it
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back to the bedtime story it's all about
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you know when when you're sitting with
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your children and you're making things
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up you're gonna go all the different
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places from and pull from different
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types of stories and it doesn't doesn't
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necessarily need to fit together after I
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first saw this movie um I ended up i
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think taping it when it was on TV and
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and that was the version that i saw for
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a long time and I still got that version
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better in my head a little bit and one
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of the things that to this day I noticed
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when i watch the DVD now is that BM the
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fire small obscene is where they cut for
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time and and that fire swamp seeing is
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in the movie is in the cut version but
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it is it is a much shortened and i gotta
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say i understand why because the movie
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kind of grinds to a halt it is a
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transitional phase and when they're in
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the swamp before they start sort of the
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next act and you know it
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there-there's you know that all the
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pauses and then there's that they go
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underneath and the wrote walks by which
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they just risky moment yes key moment in
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the film to have both everyone
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off-screen for a moment i remember
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seeing everything the original film we
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watching and I was that this is great
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like there's nobody on screen for a few
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seconds while the tension builds it was
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brilliant well you expect the hand to
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emerge right from the quicksand but you
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don't expect that a giant kind of Muppet
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rat will slowly ample across the screen
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exit then it'll be quiet for a while and
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then the hand but about how many of us
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are super super happy that you know they
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didn't go back in a 25th anniversary
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edition to replace it with a cgi euro/us
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oh shit without like I'm just saying I
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understand why when they cut the movie
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for time that's what they chose to cut
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out no i mean it's it's also the one the
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one seen especially when the Prince
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catches up to him
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I remember the first time I ever saw it
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coincidentally when I was sick on a beta
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player but I'm you were sick on
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automated I was sick and I watch it on
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the beta plan even made a lot of people
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yes as I heard I know but it's it's the
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one scene where once Wesley his kind of
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revealed all I'm not actually Dread
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Pirate Roberts all of a sudden
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hey he's not quite so badass anymore and
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gets taken pretty much without a fight
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and I remember at that point I'm just
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kind of like we what's going on but he
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was just he was so smart and now he's
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this is this is one of those those
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solder points where they've taken
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they've taken act 1 and now it's like
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all right fire swamp now we got to
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recalibrate and that's the second whole
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movement of this movie which is he's
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trapped and they got and then he's dead
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and they gotta rescue him and she's you
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know waiting for the fastest ships to to
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to bring backward of him which is you
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know it's the i would argue maybe the
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weakest of the three kind of sections of
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the movie III and there's some this is
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where it gets a little little Mel Brooks
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e to me not just with despair exactly so
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I don't even think about trying to
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yeah yeah we've got that we've got the
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pit of despair and we've got the guy
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down there who is right out of a mel
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brooks movie and boys thought that was
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robbie coltrane the first time I saw
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them like probably Coltrane no I'm going
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to early and that the tree with the door
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and ends that secret
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life I've actually had that done to me
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you had years more why we stopped off
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acupuncturist they've put a million
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little glass cups on my back and lit
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remarkably like well and I hate to tell
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you that wasn't an active practice does
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explain the wealth though
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been beaten with oranges I do i do
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actually like Adam I like that scene
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where they crank up the the and and even
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count Rugen says no not 100 or whatever
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it is 50
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yeah and they and they are and he's his
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scream can be heard throughout the
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kingdom
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I i like that the the event the man in
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black is feeling it now that is the pit
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of despair buttercup cannot hear no no
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so she's wearing her headphones so but
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it does it after they after they kill
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the kill the kill the man in black is a
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great interlude with them
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Fred Savage was very upset because you
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know we can't be and then there's a
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really nice bit of narrative twist in
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there where where I'm Peter Falk says
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nothing happens to 22 the Prince he he
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lives 2000 jeez grampa what are you
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doing why you telling me this story
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added that is a great that is a great
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scene because it's that defying of all
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of the rules you know sometimes bad
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people get away right and so it's that
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whole to find breaking all the rules of
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the fairytale at that point you know you
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kill the hero and you you know you have
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the bad guys or waltzes and it's great i
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love the same same with the screaming
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deals where he says she doesn't die at
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this time she doesn't get my deals its
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let's just say because you looked a
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little more attention to fuse all that
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tension we're not gonna don't worry
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about it so they they they revealed that
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upfront which is which is a really funny
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the the class leader classic is but it
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turns out he's only mostly dead me and
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we get that the scenes with with the
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physic and indigo taking the men in
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after after an ego is is a is has water
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poured over him by desert because he's
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part of the brute squad you want to brew
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system is the risk and then what a great
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another great example of cary elwes is a
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physical actors i love that whole bits
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with him you know where he can't walk
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basically because he's just getting his
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strength back
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he flops his head from side to side with
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whatever I mean he's left over the
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parapet and they slide them up in his
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head completely lost slides of hope the
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cops we can see it in like that should
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be physically impossible
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it's like defend but it's it's hilarious
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is great to watch and that whole scene
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where he's trying to come up with a plan
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if only we had a holocaust clue like
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what why wasn't i wasn't listed among
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the things that we had another
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wheelbarrow i will burst it among our
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resources to help find out having a
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rodent i'm not i'm still not really
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clear on how wheeling Andre the Giant in
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a wheelbarrow with a big cloak and and
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lighting him on fire is the it was the
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reputation of the dread pirate roberts
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yeah the dread pirate roberts I know it
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wasn't tall enough he wasn't told that
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by himself
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that's right under the giant giant
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enough quite so so they get into the
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they that with the use of what gate key
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oh you mean this gate key they get into
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his arms off quickly i forgot because
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they get into the castle and then we
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have our you know that that's all part
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of this last act which is the the rescue
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of butter cup in and you're right
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cary elwes is fantastic because
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throughout this he's holding onto suits
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of armor and laying on a bed completely
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flat and is he's our hero and he's
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completely incapable of doing anything
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he's as weak as a kitten throughout it's
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a little-bitty hill at that moment to
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people or English bedroom farce it's
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like people are running down hallways
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people come by people are stabbed doors
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open and shut
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people are certainly where they
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shouldn't be in beds like it buttercup
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throws herself on Cary Elwes and on the
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right that says what Leslie what's I
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actually love when when count Rugen so
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so you know gives his speech and can't
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ruin runs away which is hilarious
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what I really love and and didn't notice
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for a while about that scene but now
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I've seen it so many times I noticed
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everything is is I love mandy patinkin
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is panic when count Rugen runs away and
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he can't go after him because the door
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is closed heat and there's a scene where
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he's he's smashing against the door and
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shouting and it is so well played he
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shouting Fezzik physics and he's
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desperate for physics to come and like
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he does because he's a giant knockdown
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the door because this is his moment and
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and the guy is getting away and it's you
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know again a little bit of that
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emotional realism injected in this
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ridiculous scene that's happening now
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it's a great that's also a very moment I
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also love the the final showdown between
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wesleyan and humperdinck with both
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because I think they both get both both
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I carry always in Chris around and head
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have such a great presence in that scene
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where you know I'm predict to the death
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note to the pain and he sort of has that
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pause i'm not quite familiar with that
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because you know but explaining and
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that's what the pig comes in we sure
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that your warhol he's going he's going
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to use small words so that you'll
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understand he's going all in because he
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knows that he can't you know he doesn't
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have any strength or at least not enough
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strange lately more than just lift his
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arm so he's got a late he's got a blade
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he's playing place right through it
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that's right so he blamed this all the
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way up to that point where he can do is
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one physical move
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drop your sword drop your and it's great
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and then he lives of course because
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we've been told he lives that's not the
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point the point is that is that he's
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humiliated yeah that's right and that
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Wesley and and and butter cop go off
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together on there otherwise lets you say
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butter color copies but this is equal to
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Rho ok no with the seagull the RoboCup
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she's get it right now Wesley and butter
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got go off buttercup buttercup buttercup
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buttercup back up buttercup there
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Leslie and Buttercup go off together on
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four white horses that seem to have been
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found somewhere in the stables by andre
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the giant designate found these
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warehouses
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that's right i think there are four of
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us if we find a big hello lady that's
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how fairytales work is if you need to
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resolve the story of course there is a
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horse there are and why would you how
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would you in the story anyway other than
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riding with them riding off into the
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sunrise in this case on four white
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horses flying dragons
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oh yeah oh I have to say one of the ways
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that this movie has gotten into my head
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is that in reading the george RR martin
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fantasy series starts with a game of
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thrones i actually can't picture a
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really nefarious character Jaime
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Lannister the sort of stuff sorry
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yes i can't iive cast Chris Sarandon is
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Jaime Lannister hope but he's no but I
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I'm sorry that's the part that's for
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another podcast it's kind of a date is
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kind of ridiculous and yet because that
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guy's really is will be evil but at the
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same time well let's just say it's the
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greatest role chris sarandon has never
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played percentage of the eric roberts of
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his particular yes that's right because
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it's just his sister is really famous
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but now I just because when i started
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reading those books i thought well this
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is a this is a real kind of stuffed
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shirt prince and the problem is he's not
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again Chris Sarandon is being inhabited
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by a much better actor i suppose in my
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in my mind the old skull cinema while
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we're playing the george RR martin i'm
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sure it'll when the guy from New
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Amsterdam plays a minium in the TV
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series on HBO then i won't that'll
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that'll wipe it down and we'll get that
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for you or maybe you'll be sitting there
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saying I think Chris array antenna he
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would have been perfect when you years
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ago have to do a podcast in April when
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the show comes out
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do you think yeah but THX installed in
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your skull cinema because i really
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should work enough grade
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no i only have that my real cinema my
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school had this is gary undergo be fine
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when inside your head
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well you know I can I my two years are
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perfectly good at listening to 5.1 so
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why wouldn't I just make it in my head
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I don't have 5.1 years Glenn not yet not
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yet but maybe some of the features here
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what else I want to talk about here I
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think so Rob Reiner directed this movie
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TVs meathead by the way back when he
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directed good movie yes yes so so here's
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the funny thing
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this is one in a string of movies there
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was a point when Rob Reiner had directed
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something like six or seven movies in a
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row all of which were good movies
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beautiful story extend by me very much
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this is this is spinal tap followed by
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the sure thing followed by stand by me
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followed by the princess bride followed
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by when harry met sally followed by
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misery followed by a few good man
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well I think that was the shit i think
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that that's the chain i might be missing
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one in there enough for anyone life I
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well and that's good because that was it
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and it just went yeah but then he made
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North but um
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but it's also i should i should mention
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we have Billy Crystal who went on to be
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the leading man in his next movie when
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harry met sally and also appeared in a
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small cameo in this is spinal tap and
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christopher guest from this is spinal
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tap and who's going to make on all these
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other mockumentaries is of course count
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Rugen the six-fingered man so their
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little bits of of the of the team from
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these other movies of Rob writers who
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have dropped into the princess bride but
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what I want to run that that was for him
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and some really different kinds of
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movies i mean it's so many different
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genres he did and yeah and then that was
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it because he has made a good movie
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since it's the same it's the same with
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William Goldman who's had an amazing
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writing career just across a whole bunch
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cherry-picking here Butch Cassidy and
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the Sundance Kid Stepford Wives Marathon
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Man bridge too far misery maverick the
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ghost in the darkness they're not all
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terrific movies so he is so screenwriter
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of misery that's interesting so we we
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teamed with Ron Goldman Goldman didn't
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he write that terrible book about John
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Lana don't think so
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no he wrote he wrote a nonfiction book
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called adventures in the screen trade
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that supposed to be terrific when I
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haven't read it out that is I don't read
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it but I has been highly recommended to
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me as well that may be the guy who wrote
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princess bride the book and the
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screenplay also wrote Marathon Man the
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book and the screenplay and all the prep
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all the programs man i don't see how one
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guide masters those two Chandra's just
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just so wildly diverse in both such high
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quality was he also an actor on a 70
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sitcom because that would give him the
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traction now you need Ron Howard for the
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and yeah we know we get skipped over
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miracle max in our chronological
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condition film we talked about him
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online chile we briefly touched on on
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him it's one scene it's a memorable
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scene although true but to believe we
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all quote to believe which means to
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block laiĂ¡ laiĂ¡ laiĂ¡ it because he
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just doesn't miracle max is very grumpy
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because he got fired by Prince
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Humperdinck you know you talk about the
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center part of the movie where things
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get kind of slap sticky and miracle max
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and and billy crystal and Carol Kane
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just they they epitomise that for me
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that you just didn't get in with the
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rest of the movie it's the mel brooks
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portion of the movie and and the and the
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and the albino and the the torture
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machine and
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on that and although it's all in the
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book is the funny plastic I mean it was
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off it was accurately converted to the
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screen to something a bit funnier and
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much much briefer than in the book but
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everybody everybody remembers it right
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everybody relax Billy Crystal and using
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iMovie for what three minutes
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well and in some ways you can argue it
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works because it doesn't work
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I mean big again I come back to that
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idea of okay well because because of
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everything every nothing fits in this
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movie it feels like to me and yet that
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that is kind of the one thing that
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having it all have in common is that
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it's all drawn from all these these
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places it's all this patchwork quilt and
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yet it's something where each individual
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piece might not seem like it works but
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for some reason when they come together
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it creates something larger than the sum
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of its parts
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um ok then so what you're saying really
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now you disagree what you're saying is
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that it because it doesn't fit
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that's why it fits well didn't they have
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sex mackey died in there and so they
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pull out Billy Crystal I mean it was
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eating the book to it's like if you're
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you're hopeless the marriage is about to
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happen your main character is dead and
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Goldman pulls out this completely you
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know ridiculous things always a wizard
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so he makes the wizard you know as long
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as you're being ridiculous go full-on
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ridiculous
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yeah right i mean of course the thing is
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he was already screenwriter at that
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point so the question is how much of the
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book was written with the notion he may
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have had Billy Crystal in mind for all
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we know for that point because it's not
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in 1974
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yeah it was that all yeah only crystal
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wasn't even on so my goodness okay and I
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withdraw I can kind of i'll edit that
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out jacketing yes please leave it all
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inconvenient wrong opinions from this
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podcast I can kind of see it though I
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mean the beauty of the movie being so
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many different things is that it can
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appeal to so many different people as
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well so i can see that in a way being
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towards the more not lowbrow humor set
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because it's not it's not really lowbrow
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humor but the mel brooks part of the
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audience who wants who want those quotes
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to say at their you know their parties
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at least no farting history or cover a
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crotch shot small miracles see have you
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i don't know if my tone gave give this
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away but I'm not
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take Mel Brooks fan actually he said it
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depends on the area i mean he made some
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producers is one of the funniest movies
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ever made but I could really stand right
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blazing saddles and sandals yeah we
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gettin our blazing cells grateful
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blazing saddles I mean this is like
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about TV editing there are so many films
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from the eighties seventies and eighties
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that were ruined for us who grew up in
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the eighties and nineties because we saw
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them on television they were butchered
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the point of recognizability so I didn't
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understand funny blazing saddles was
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until I saw it unedited again I think
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the Blazing Saddles episode will be one
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of those great episodes where Dan Morgan
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is the host because i'm not talking
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I I don't need that movie to waste any
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more of my life I saw the case on the
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campfire scene on TV where they just
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damp the sound down to zero it made no
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sense whatsoever mr. fine there is that
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but slim pickins slim pickins live down
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lived in the town where I grew up under
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the giant you have school by samuel
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beckett i like it i have Fred Savage in
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my closet that's where he's been that's
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how this game works and speak actually
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Peter Falk is still alive or no yes
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because what i want is it's like
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funnyordie to get Fred Savage and peter
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falk together to re-record their son
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please together would be awesome when
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Goldman still alive know right they
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would they would rerecord the scene
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except Peter Falk would be reading
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something horrible with a they could
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just cut it straight into the movie as
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it is it's it's part of the criterion is
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they've recorded just those seen to
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update them that's the only dated part
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of the movie
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Peter Falk is in the nursing home and
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Fred Savage is reading history that's
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touching the penthouse that makes me sad
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that's like the ending of big fish
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captain bring-down making everybody sad
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at the end of a podcast about the happy
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movie that everyone looks okay i want to
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go around the the room and asked
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everybody for since this is the most
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quotable movie in the universe
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my question to you since this movie is
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so incredibly quotable and this is the
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task you must perform for me
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you must tell me your favorite bar none
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single favorite
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lime from the princess bride
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I know it's hard it's difficult think
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ponder dan I get to go first you don't
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have to
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who would like to go through I got it I
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got it I got it I got right it's my mind
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you say it's an integral another any
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girl quote yep which i've used in other
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places let me spray
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no there's too much let me sum up
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excellent one of my favorites i use that
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one all the time
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Glenn I've already said it but i will
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repeat it
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you keep using that word i do not think
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it means what you think it means
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Greg I I'm classic and you go just
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because we were in college we left this
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on our answering machine which is my
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name is inigo montoya you killed my
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father prepare to leave a message when
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I'm gonna break leaning onto a streak
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but as you wish
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oh I thought um well I want to thank my
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guests for talking about the princess
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bride my my guests are our serenity
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Caldwell Greg moss Glenn Fleischmann and
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Dan more'n until next time on the
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incomparable have fun storming the
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ok on earth there may be a more quarter
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quotable movie on the planet 617 where
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movies are performed with only the sense
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of smell and to quote them it's very
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hard manager to call you ever been a
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party where everybody is passing
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pheromones also all of my partner Mel
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Brooks is very popular in 607 Jason I
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I've always thought of you as
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particularly musky thank thank you Greg
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I mean Edmund muskie that's I work I
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worked I worked hard on that I i have
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Edmund muskie in my closet
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you think it'll work we take immunity
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if he has a studied his Agrippa which I
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