The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable time test number 20 [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► really everybody 2011 [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► we're back on the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► the topic today is movies and we're [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► going to talk about superhero movies [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► there was a time when there were not [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► very many superhero movies at all at [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► that time is not the last 10 years when [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► there's been a horrible horrible glut of [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► we're going to talk about superhero [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► movies that we love the ones that we [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► hate once we think are overrated and [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► underrated and two to help me down this [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► path to the land of Metropolis and other [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► strange fictional superhero cities i am [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► joined by my guess [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► ben boychuk coming to you live from my [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► secret lair somewhere in southern [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► california [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► nice nice John siracusa I am ready you [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► are ready to you are you wearing a a an [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► outfit superhero pajamas yes alright [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► excellent and and serenity caldwell who [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► is not wearing a cape because capes are [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► terrible no capes no capes they're [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► dangerous they're not just terrible [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► they're dangerous they are [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► it makes me wonder actually the wisdom [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► of NBC doing a show called the Cape when [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► it had already been established no capes [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► I thought we weren't supposed to talk [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► about that let's not never do whatever [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► you got a real show [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► don't mention the Cape that's for the TV [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► podcast although somebody would actually [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► have to watch it and talk about it [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► I've got scared off by how terrible the [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► comments about it works so i didn't [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► watch it [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► who so I'd like to start on a on a [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► negative note because that's that's just [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► the way i roll and talk about movies [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► that we think are overrated superhero [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► movies movies that you're tired of [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► hearing how good they are and that you [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► personally have some issues issues with [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► and think that we should appreciate them [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► quite so much John I'm gonna I'm gonna [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► look to you to help kick this off on a [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► negative note that's a big mistake [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► because all my choices are going to be [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► the same as your choices so every one of [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► these things you let me go first started [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► this before you are not going to steal [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► all your answers that's fine i'm i'm the [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► host i can just lean back and enjoy you [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► agreeing re yeah so i'm gonna steal your [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► answer for this one because you've [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► already talked about it and [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► I totally agree overrated as the dark [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► knight not because it's such a terrible [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► movie because it wasn't terrible but [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► because it's god I think it's got the [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► superhero movie equivalent of second [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► system syndrome [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► I don't know if you know that as well as [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► a computer term for you make the first [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► one and you went after you've made the [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► first one the people who made it realize [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► all the mistakes they made and all all [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► the shortcuts they had to take the [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► limitations that are inherent in it and [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► when they get a chance to make a second [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► one they say we're not going to make any [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► of those mistakes right we're going to [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► fix all the things we couldn't do before [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► put everything in it didn't fit that we [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► ran out of time for and just ends up [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► with everything in the kitchen sink [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► inside it and that's kind of like what [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► the dark knight is it's a superhero [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► movie that tries to have everything in [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► it you know great acting dramatic fight [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► scenes amazing villain and every [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► possible scenario you can imagine for [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► the villain to go in a you know a love [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► story the loss of a main character [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► revenge and it just it just ends up [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► being too much the dark knight is a [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► great great movie for about sixty [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► percent and then it just doesn't end it [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► keeps going keeps trying to have more [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► and it it goes off the rails at the end [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► I don't wanna I don't wanna draw a [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► parallel between the dark knight and [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► batman returns the second of the tim [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► burton Batman's which is a far better [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► returns far inferior to the dark knight [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► i would say the dark knight is a good [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► movie it's just horribly overrated but [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► they are similar in that both of them [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► the first movie was successful had a lot [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► of constraints that I think may have [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► made them successful and then they took [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► all the constraints off and and the with [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► batman returns it was really like okay [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► well we made Tim Burton act like a [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► grown-up he made a good movie now will [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► let him do whatever the hell he wants [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► oh god he made he's made something [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► atrocious [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► not to mention the fact that that why is [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► it that superhero movie franchises feel [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► that once a movie is successful the best [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► way to do a sequel is by multiplying the [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► number of villains in it by a factor of [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► three [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► Oh God well the doctor i didn't have [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► that problem with the multiple going [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► well I could have Harvey to there's any [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► of this stuff comes at the end which is [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► in my mind the worst part of that movie [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► is whether it was [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► nowhere for me to always try is trying [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► to lead into the next movie with my [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► biggest complaints are they like the [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► fairy scene and the sort of little [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► brother moralizing those two bits didn't [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► need to be in that movie a fairy stone i [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► think is terrible and that's actually [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► happening simultaneously with another [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► scene that is bad which is Batman gets [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► equipped morgan freeman equips Batman [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► with his his bat radar right his [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► ballerina already goes into a tall [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► building and he's trying to fight bad [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► guys in this tall building and it's one [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► of the most incompetently put together [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► action scenes I've ever seen in a major [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► movie you at no point do you really [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► understand what's going on [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► you completely lose track it sort of [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► transformers level of confusion and it's [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► a shame because again if somebody come [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► in and said no no this is too much [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► you've got a great movie here if we chop [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► off most of the last 30 minutes or 45 [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► minutes it would be a much better movie [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► than it is [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► yeah because it starts really strong and [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► it's focused and strong and dramatic i [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► think the worst decision was that they [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► tried to make me the big dramatic thing [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► that happens in the final act is bad [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► one of the things is not a problem is 10 [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► different things that happened the final [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► actress Batman rejecting the idea of [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► spying on the citizenry you know I'll do [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► it this once but you have to burn the [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► computers down when you're done already [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► know and his and his faithful helper [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► almost you know threatens to quit [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► because of this great decision like no [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► one cares about this this is not of [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► Batman's world [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► I don't care about Batman spies on his [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► to fight the bad guys it's just kind of [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► shoved in there where you least expect [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► it's like oh he's built this giant [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► computer system that what it does it [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► connect into cell phones or something [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► like that it was something [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► yes yes something ridiculous i have to [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► admit i only saw the dark night I saw it [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► at midnight when it first came out [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► because back like a couple years back I [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► was on this big dick or it's like all [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► the superhero movies you see it at [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► midnight you see it with a good crowd [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► it's just fun and I remember going into [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► it being really psyched because i like [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► Christian Bale and I like you know I'd [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► like Christopher Nolan I like good good [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► value vibes right and then yeah halfway [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► through the film it just completely [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► falls apart where you just you know I [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► was sitting there and I actually looked [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► at my watch at one point in time and I [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► have where are you going with this [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► christopher nolan why why is this [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► suddenly you know you start off with [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► strong characters and then just kind of [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► Peters out 20 i guess i guess they're [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► trapped in a warehouse that may explode [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► the gender but yeah a snake the Joker by [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► far the most important thing in this [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► movie by far the most successful thing [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► in the movie and m is it any coincidence [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► that the Joker kind of moves off stage [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► at that whole point where the movie [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► falls apart and I don't think I think [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► it's that did they just lost their way [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► and it's just that make it about the [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► Joker in Batman don't make it about [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► Morgan Freeman's inventions and the [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► computer computers spying on the people [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► of Gotham City and they this sort of [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► kind of ridiculous boat thing that was a [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► weird love triangle story which is like [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► it's like they started another movie in [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► the middle of this 10 yeah they did [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► there's two faces already and i remember [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► watching thinking wait a second I'm [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► gonna go for another three hours i'm not [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► doing their starting another movie I [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► don't care about that movie what [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► happened to the Joker movie this is the [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► movie they should've called Batman [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► Forever i did like the dark knight [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► probably better than the rest of you but [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► one thing that did bother me about it [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► and this was one of the things that [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► actually praised was the the the [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► location [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► I I actually preferred the first movie [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► just the first movie visually that you [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► know this because Gotham was this [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► manufactured place and that you know i [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► have these wonderful old straining to [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► these like that Batman Begins Batman [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► Begins yeah and-and-and dark knight was [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► it is said in Chicago obviously said in [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► chicago and and all these locations that [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► you know about and that X it sort of [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► took me out of the movie a little bit in [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► a strange way you know say oh I i know [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► that building and it where whereas the [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► first movie it was is it was you were [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► immersed in in this in this particular [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► world and so that was the one that was [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► the one that really troubled me about [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► the dark knight not so much the boat the [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► ferryboat thing but the location what [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► had kind of an ethereal quality to it [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► Batman Begins the whole universe like [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► you think about the end like the climax [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► of batman begins where it's God the [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► trains going to cry [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► actually the water tower but you like I [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► when I picture the scene and in my head [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► I see very like sepia foggy like really [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► really kind of cool in-depth stuff that [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► you'd see in a video gamer in your head [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► when you're reading a good book or in a [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► comic page and I feel like with the dark [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► knight they cut they went very gritty [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► and it turned very oh this is a [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► superhero movie but it's a real man [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► superhero movie you know if that makes [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► sense [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► yeah yeah I i should say i think all of [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► us could probably say some positive [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► things about about the dark knight and I [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► don't think we're saying it's [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► necessarily a bad movie upon out i think [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► yeah I would say the highs of the dark [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► knight are among the highest highs of [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► any superhero movies I've seen it had [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► some great peaks and that's what makes [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► it a kind of a crying shame and that's [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► what makes it a tragedy and it's [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► overrated because i think the general [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► public is dazzled by the highs and is [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► not as critical of the weaker parts they [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► may have been pummeled into submission [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► by the time we got two hours in two [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► really are they fell asleep [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► yeah especially when he was looking for [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► watching it said 2 a.m. [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► that's why you were looking at your [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► watch more like three huh yeah yeah [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► alright so we beatin up on Batman enough [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► there will be enough they'll be a third [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► how many villains I wonder what happened [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► that one [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► oh gosh 26 that's right excellent just a [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► rogue's gallery the whole rogue's [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► gallery killer croc the whole bit yeah [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► in terms of there's a another movie that [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► I kind of associate with the with the [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► batman returns and dark night and all [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► that and that spider-man three men three [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► yet which got I mean was more critically [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► reviled the narrative night for sure but [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► I would call that over it can't be you [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► want to know if everybody talks think [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► it's terrible but it's just it's that's [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► another film that suffers from the [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► multiple villainville and and random too [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► long for its own good randomly goes into [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► email musical sequence in the middlelike [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► it said because again i think there [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► probably was a good movie in there if [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► they had focused on a couple of things [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► that they have focused on Harry becoming [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► kind of the Hobgoblin or or I pic pick [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► one villain right pick venom i mean i'm [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► not a big fan of venom but or or the [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► Sandman or orally everybody [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► but it's just all mashed together there [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► and and in a way and the venom story [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► doesn't really work when it's kind of [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► retro red card into this weird a meteor [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► happens to hit Peters bike huh [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► ok surprise well it's just a shame [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► because spider-man 2 i considered for a [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► long time one of like my top new [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► superhero movies and then to kind of get [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► it all crashed down with spider-man 3 [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► was just depressing the same you didn't [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► have a category for superhero movies [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► that you like don't like it all because [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► you've got favorite underrated overrated [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► but Superman Superman spider-man just [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► never connected with me like the the [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► first [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► yeah the field all of them that just a [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► spider-man care about x 3 came along I [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► couldn't care less about spider-man but [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► the first movie for like the first half [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► hour when they were doing that origin [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► the first half-hour spider-like yes [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► exactly spider-man movie I want to [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► manage it just lost me I don't think [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► it's any fault of the movie here i don't [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► know maybe I'm just not a spider and guy [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► but the franchise and the movie never [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► really connected with me I recognize the [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► spider-man one or two or reasonably good [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► movies in spider-man 3 is not a good [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► movie but none of them like they just [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► don't do it for me I don't know why [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► especially since I was so into it and [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► excited for the first half an hour 40 [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► minutes of spider-man 1 [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► yeah I watch them again and see why that [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► is I think I think the first butter [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► man's got highs and lows and and I I [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► like it but in many ways i'm giving it I [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► I feel like I give it a little bit of a [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► critical pass because i like the source [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► material so much [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► the second 1i i actually liked a lot [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► better although the reason that I what I [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► keep telling people about spider-man 2 [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► is spider-man 2 is a movie about a guy [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► and it's about his problems in his life [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► it's not a superhero movie in many ways [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► it's a bit movie about a guy in his life [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► except it turns out the guy has [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► superpowers and it's kind of a superhero [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► at it because that's how that movie is [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► told it's it's really weird but I love [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► it I do think it's in my top five at [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► least superhero movement that that's [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► kind of a spider-man thing is it happen [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► it is more of it you know that whatever [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► happens about it's not about [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► supervillains in origins and stuff like [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► that it's more about the boys troubles [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► reputable workers more interested [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► interesting than spider-man whereas [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► Batman this way more interesting than [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► Bruce wing [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► yeah no one cares about Bruce Wayne and [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► neither Clark kent/superman interesting [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► right then what do you have for us in [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► the in the negative category [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► you have something well overrated [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► category yes yeah Superman to would be [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► my pick [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► that would be the 1980s Superman to in [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► which Christopher Reeve Superman [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► experiences is dark knight or yes dark [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► night of the soul [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► i I didn't intend for that but that's [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► just sort of slipped out you know and i [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► think my and again this is I mean that [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► this was kind of hailed as you know [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► you're the first movie was like this [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► breakthrough film and you know [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► yeah you'll believe a man can fly and i [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► remember seeing that when i was a kid [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► and coming home from the from the from [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► the movie with my mom and seeing a guy [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► on a hang glider that I mean just right [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► after the film and going oh my god that [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► Superman and this guy and and you know [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► in seeing Superman to the first time you [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► know i was i was nine or ten years old [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► and and thinking wow this is this is [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► pretty deep problem i think maybe is [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► that maybe just doesn't hold up very [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► well and and it may not hold up very [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► well for a variety of reasons you know [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► it's you know it 1980 is really not the [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► eighties yet it's still the seventies [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► so you still have that sort of seventies [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► campina see christopher reeve was not a [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► great Superman i think in retrospect and [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► although the conflict with you know [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► General Zod and and you know Terence [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► Stamp is great all that you know the [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► dark night of the soul stuff looking [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► back at it now if you to watch it now [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► it's kind of silly it's kind of you know [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► this is the you know the source end of [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► the seventies me decade stuff in it and [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► it really just it's it's a bit [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► embarrassing in places and so as cool as [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► it was to see at the time for me it just [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► in retrospect it just doesn't really [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► hold up as well that's a movie that got [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► kind of messed up by the studio to write [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► they had the richard donner directed [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► some of that they fired and replaced [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► with the guy who did a hard day's night [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► strange that's right that's right well [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► i'm curious to hear what the others have [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► to think about to say about this because [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► I mean Superman to I always sort of [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► heresy ranks and yeah i was still the [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► man dog in the top five of you know of [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► these all-time great super Superman or [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► superhero films but i don't know i i've [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► watched it again probably a year ago and [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► and and that was I was kind of left with [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► that sort of bad impression I mean [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► everybody has a lot of good stuff going [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► for it that's the thing i mean you know [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► gene hackman at his you know [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► over-the-top finest and net baby's great [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► in it and you know there's there's [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► there's a lot to lot to be said for it [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► but i don't know i think i think it [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► suffers from the era in which it was [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► made a kind of Moby Superman at the [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► fortress of solitude and then the sort [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► of mopey Clark gives up his superpowers [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► to be with Louis which I never really [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► understood that right yeah yeah yeah it [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► was kind of like a shambling monster but [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► it's another example of Superman movie [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► that our superhero movie they got away [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► from itself by adding too much stuff [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► because think of all the things we [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► describe that happened in this movie [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► this these guys from what is that the [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► negative zone or whatever it's called [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► yeah Phantom Zone I mm fans on there you [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► go I'm and so they're the they're that [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► thread but then there's the you know I [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► want to be with Louis to get my powers [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► thread and like and as lex luthor [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► running around it was should be the big [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► villain because the secondary villain [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► and then he's got a sidekick guy and [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► it's a lot of stuff and like 70 movies [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► is kind of like slow paced and spread [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► out and the individual scenes are our [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► hookey and it's it's just kind of a big [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► shambling mess i don't have that I [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► didn't know was so highly regarded i [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► would not have put it very high up in [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► and my rankings of of superhero movies [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► maybe people just like the Phantom Zone [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► guys I don't know well I think there's a [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► lot of nostalgia for it and then it's [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► very quotable you know kneel before Zod [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► and all that but yeah I mean we'll [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► remember Terence Stamp i think yeah yeah [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► yeah that's yeah I remember the outfits [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► the black jumpsuits [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► post and memory more than any other [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► scene and although it's not the movie or [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► he gets angry and flicks a peanut at a [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► bottle or window and breaks it wasn't [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► three [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► I don't know I don't remember i'm [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► betting it was worth it he was like [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► turning evil and drinking beer and not [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► shaving oh that is for that too [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► that's one of the the movie so bad that [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► people haven't even seen them [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► yeah I tried to erase them from our [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► memories Superman for see if we if we [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► went to the lower streak was worst yeah [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► we're superhero movies flat out of all [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► time that Superman for the quest for [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► peace but I think you guys might be in [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► the list but we shouldn't talk about [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► that either no no no no don't why beat [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► YB down the already down movies I really [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► what's the point the horses there five [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► was there Superman five before they [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► rebooted no no Superman for was the last [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► one and then they and then they came out [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► with Superman Returns which was actually [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► a sequel to Super Man 2 which was very [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► strange and I don't think I wanted to [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► not because we wanted to forget about [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► Richard Pryor and we've got to forget [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► about the horrible scene of the widest [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► variety younger when Superman to and [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► returns magic because they recast the [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► part with the Sun he spent some time in [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► a red Sun right I i don't i don't know i [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► don't think i don't think superman [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► returns was necessarily a bad movie I [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► just thought it was kind of mediocre it [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► wasn't interesting i think that was the [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► problem is girls just kind of there i [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► think i've had some good [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► Superman action scenes the one where [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► he's saving the plane crashing it as a [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► standalone Superman action scene that's [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► probably the most interested I've been [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► in a super an action scene in any of the [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► movies just because I thought it was a [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► interesting thing for him to do but the [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► movie surrounding it was yeah i like the [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► idea that he has a kid I thought that [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► was kind of a bold choice to like [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► totally break away from my comic book [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► continuity and just say what if Louis [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► had a kid and it was time around the [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► same reason there's not any more [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► Superman Returns movies they did all [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► that and people were like yeah don't [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► know about that and so we're just taking [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► our regard be getting we're getting a [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► reboot of the reboot doing as I'm saying [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► like I have thought they were going to [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► reboot into a series of Superman [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► resided once and another reason name is [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► the kind of didn't reboot though they [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► just kind of soft restarts from this [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► from person to person who did this [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► he didn't he did Superman Returns and [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► now it's like to be left the x-men and [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► and when you have to Superman because it [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► seemed like going for the brass ring [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► like finally I get to do Superman it's [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► like just stuck with x-men you doing one [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► better there [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► I don't know much better as a strong [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► word for the x-men x-men 2 is pretty [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► yes x-men three on the other hand had [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► problems not be spoken up the second one [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► has nuanced and again it's more about [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► the characters than it is about the [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► overarching oh god bad things are [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► happening if that better than the first [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► one which was it's funny we talk about [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► movies where there was the first one [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► that was good and they sort of screwed [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► up with a second one [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► x-men I think they kind of screwed up [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► the first one got it right with the [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► second one person was kind of dorky but [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► the first one started strong the first [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► one was the one that starts with I the [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► magneto Holocaust scene right right that [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► was that's the that's the way you open [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► an x-men franchise the movies and the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► rest of the week kind of was dorky and [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► hokey and so a formula and they didn't [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► live up to that first scene so you can [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► stack that first seen on two x-men 2 and [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► tell more about Magneto's backstory [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► there i don't know you can make a better [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► movie out of it by combining parts of [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► both of them Frankenstein style nice the [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► first movies are hard to do for these [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► superhero movies because you gotta cram [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► all the origin stuff in and you've got [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► you've got to appeal to the fans and you [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► have to throw and all that stuff let me [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► let me submit this then and I'd like to [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► hear what you guys say why do with why [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► does every movie every superhero movie [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► have to start with an origin story it [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► kills it kills me apparently they're [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► going to retail the spider-man origin [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► story in the new in this but erm andrew [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► garfield yeah it's always be by don't [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► remember i must every superhero movie I [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► mean you know what it's just like TV [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► pilots right [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► the origin is not always the most [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► interesting thing in some ways the [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► origin is the least interesting thing [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► why would you spend your entire first [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► movie or half of it even telling this [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► origin story instead of getting to the [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► good stuff i mean if you've got a good [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► origin maybe it's different but a lot of [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► these origin stories are boring and [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► we've seen him before I mean is the [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► superman reboot going to give us a baby [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► and Krypton and all of that can [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► I don't want to see it unless it's a [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► five minute montage [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► well I mean I john august just actually [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► hadn't had an article up on his website [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► about this about how in terms of [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► starting with origin story in regards to [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► TV shows where it's just most producers [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► don't want to see these premises pilots [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► these origin stories because it's hard [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► to for the audience to connect and yet [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► the writer is like but no everybody [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► needs to know the back story because if [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► you don't know the backstory how are you [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► gonna know in general where we're coming [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► from and how everything connects [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► together it's I mean you could you could [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► make a point for that in almost every [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► form of literature and and visual and it [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► is any comic book movie if you were [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► going into the movie anymore major [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► problem properties going so how does he [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► get those spider powers [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► no you know i mean all use Iron Man as [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► an example of an origin story that [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► didn't feel like an origin story to the [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► point like I knew I knew very little [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► about iron man going in other than you [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► know it was a comic at one point and [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► friends of mine liked it and it was [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► played very much [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► oh this isn't going to be some big [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► terrible trauma they just kind of went [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► forward where oh where being dropped out [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► into the middle of Tony Stark's life and [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► then from there we kind of split off and [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► go I guess this terrible thing happens [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► but if you're coming in like cold as a [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► as a new viewer who knows nothing about [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► iron man you don't know that [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► oh this is the you know the catalyst [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► getting kid nobody knows [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► Iron Man's origin I think that's I think [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► that's the difference right [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► nobody knows about iron man so you tell [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► that story but if it's one of these like [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► spider-man they're going to retail an [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► origin story that was told like less [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► than 10 years before in a movie that [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► everybody saw and i don't i don't really [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► see the point other there are good [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► origin story movies and in fact there's [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► one movie that i know i think is on pins [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► in my list of one of our favorite [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► superhero movies that is actually all [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► origin story but you don't know it [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► because it's not have an existing [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► character and i love that movie and [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► we'll get to in a minute but you know [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► that they're all these other movies [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► where it's just that's it we gotta show [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► everybody getting together and it's just [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► I mean john august point which I haven't [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► read that article but you know if I was [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► a producer working on a TV show my pilot [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► episode would not be the origin [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► about how everybody met my pilot episode [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► the one that sells your show would be [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► this is what the show will be like every [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► week because that's what people want to [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► see is it you don't meet once but then [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► what happens for the rest of your life [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► that's not the interesting part [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► yeah yeah I may be in the minority but [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► as i said before i find the origin [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► stories the most interesting part of [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► most superhero stories like what my [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► ideal first superhero movie story a [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► movie plot is the the superhero does not [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► appear into essentially the end of the [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► movie and why you get to see is someone [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► perhaps doing the same things the [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► superhero would do but not sort of [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► becoming Batman till the end of the [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► movie not becoming spider-man until the [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► end of the movie Iron Man is kind of [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► like that and the movie that we're all [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► gonna pick us our favorite apparently [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► not much like very much like that [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► because i find that the most interesting [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► part is that it's the character is the [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► main characters struggled to figure out [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► uh you know what this what this thing is [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► and you know what [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► what I'm going to be or what I'm going [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► to do with myself as any kind of story [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► you don't if you start the movie with [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► Batman is Batman then you have to have [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► like a second level things like Batman [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► knows he's Batman fine now he has to [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► face a challenge that the challenges [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► were strangers challenged and reacts [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► that challenged by becoming Batman Dark [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► Knight try to do that twice like the [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► right man begins right and then dark [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► knight like no now you're going to [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► become the dark nights which is like [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► level 2 of Batman and I love Batman [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► Begins which is an origin so it's what [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► you can ok i'll say also this you can [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► retail an origin and it can be good but [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► what I'm saying is I don't understand [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► why everybody's grandmother he needs to [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► be an origin story for the first one [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► because some of them are it's good that [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► it's the easiest to tell because if you [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► start the movie a spider man it's like I [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► got something for spider-man to do so I [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► gotta punch spider-man in peril [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► I've got to make it so you believe he's [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► going to diabetes and actually dive got [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► to make it look like he struggled why [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► should we struggle you know spider [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► superheroes a kind of Pollyanna whether [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► you know why he dives I'm the main [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► character I'm a superhero nothing's [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► gonna happen to me [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► no but not told right i mean those [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► Stanley marvel superheroes I mean their [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► whole story is that they're miserable [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► when Peter Peter Parker story doesn't [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► doesn't start and end with him getting [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► the getting the spider bite I mean he [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► you could start them off and for all I [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► know the origin in the in the reboot is [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► going to be a five-minute [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► you know watch mens style montage and [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► that's fine because you know meeting [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► this kid in high school who's totally [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► messed on messed up and picked on and [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► you think you're seeing an origin story [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► and it turns out that he actually is a [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► superhero but he can't let any let on [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► and his only releases getting into that [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► costume [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► I mean there's lots of stories to tell [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► about that guy that would be pretty cool [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► and kickass was sort of like that but I [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► want to make a couple points here and i [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► think the the second Hulk movie you know [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► that was the that was the correction to [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► the Angli that Norton yeah they had [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► norton whole movie that kind of did the [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► origin thing right because they did the [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► the origins in in the credits and and [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► that may be the way to get at it but i [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► but I think with some of these other [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► films is sort of you know sort of [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► conventional origin stories I I could [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► kind of liken it to some of what you [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► have to do in newspaper work or [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► journalism which is you cannot assume [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► that your audience is merely you know [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► your your fans and and that there's a [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► lot of there's a lot of dumbing down [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► that has to go on when you have to you [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► have to restate things that may be [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► obvious to you that maybe obvious to [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► people who are at least somewhat [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► familiar with the subject matter but but [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► at the same time you have to then think [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► about the people who may not know those [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► things and then you have to lay that out [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► for them in a way that you might you [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► mate you may find frustrating as [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► somebody who's a fan of the of the book [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► or the other comic book or whatnot but [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► you have to do it anyway and I suspect [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► that's a lot of it and it it makes for [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► some awkwardness especially for those of [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► us who mean iron man is a very good [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► example as you said because i think that [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► was done well precisely because you know [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► iron man who was by the way my favorite [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► Marvel hero of all time and I and I've [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► had prayed four years for that that [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► movie to come out and I was I was pretty [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► much satisfied with the result but iron [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► man was a was a vietnam-era superhero [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► and and the way that they were able to [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► change up that origin [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► and to to make it relevant to now was [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► really great and and there's a lot of [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► you know stuff in there sort of hidden [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► stuff in there for real fans of the of [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► the series you know the whole that the [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► the whole ten rings thing which is a [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► reference to mandarin and you know [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► there's there's a lot of good stuff in [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► that that in that first movie and it was [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► done very very well and so and and I and [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► I think again that the Hulk movie they [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► had ignored hope Hulk movie was done [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► pretty well to at least the origin [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► aspect of it some of the some of the [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► rest of it was so so but yeah I mean [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► yeah I think Yuki I think these these [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► movie makers are our kind of they have a [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► quandary because they have to say on the [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► one hand we need to appeal to the fans [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► in on the other hand we need to appeal [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► you know we need to get new butts in the [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► seats yeah I I'm I accessibility is a [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► really good reason to do it I just I [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► guess what I'm saying is if within 10 [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► years we have to and I'm saying this is [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► actually what they're doing with the [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► reboot i'm not sure but if we're doing [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► two movies where half of the time [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► running time is watching Peter Parker [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► get bitten by a spider and him letting [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► up burglar go past him and watching [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► Uncle Ben dispense wisdom and then get [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► shot and die and Peter be upset it's [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► like wow do you really want to do a [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► remake ten you know ten years later of a [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► movie everybody you know lots of people [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► have seen you got to tell that story and [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► not more compressed way the superman [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► reboot that's my fear is we're going to [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► get the same story that they told him [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► that smallville TV show and that they [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► told in the superman movie with [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► Christopher Reeve and I'm not sure that [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► story needs to be told again now take my [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► telling in a different way and that's [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► different but and you're totally right [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► that you can assume the audience knows [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► the story i just it you know I it kills [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► me how many movies of these characters [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► are they going to make and if all of [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► them are just retelling the origin it [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► just seems kind of crushing to me know [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► let me ask it well let me ask you this [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► jason i mean think about think of it [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► this way [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► well what would you mean how would you [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► introduce some of these characters to [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► your children we you and I both have [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► young kids right how I mean it's kind of [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► you know it's interesting to me how Mike [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► mice [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► on whose now eight-and-a-half you know [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► it is is being introduced to some of [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► these characters and I remember he he [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► was actually a big fan of the spider-man [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► movies when he was like three but but [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► some of these characters you know it's [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► it's it's kind of interesting and [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► wonderful to watch you know me you know [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► my son you'll see these these characters [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► that I kind of grew up with through the [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► comics and things like that and so I [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► mean I'd I you know I think about in [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► terms of see now you know I've got a [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► daughter who's going to be three and up [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► in a few months and and and introducing [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► her to to some of these characters that [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► my son would have seen you know five or [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► six years ago and and things like that [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► and so I think I think it's possible to [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► to reintroduce these origins to new [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► generations of audiences in a way that's [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► sort of interesting it might be familiar [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► to us because we're old [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► butBut to our kids and maybe something [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► else about what do you think that kid a [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► kid on a kid discovering a comic comic [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► book superhero on TV or or at the [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► spinner rack when we were kids you don't [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► start with the origin you start in the [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► middle of the action and my kid is not [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► my son loves batman the brave and the [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► bold which is a pretty good animated [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► it's actually if you've ever seen it [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► it's a good show it's it's a it's funny [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► if there's some stuff in it for the [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► grown-ups to laugh at [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► Batman has a very dry sense of humor [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► it's actually a lot of fun you know if I [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► asked my son how Batman became Batman he [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► would have no idea if I asked him about [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► spider-man [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► I think I've exposed them to the whole [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► with great power comes great [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► responsibility thing now but originally [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► it would have just been no spider-man [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► he's cool he's got the red suit swings [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► around i think they know the core of the [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► character and not how they got there so [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► i guess i would argue you don't really [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► need it because as a as a as a kid you [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► learn about the hero and then later you [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► get you hear the story of how they came [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► to be i'm not sure that is the most me [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► for some heroes let's face it probably [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► is to John's point the most interesting [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► thing about them and then once they've [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► got their powers too boring i mean [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► Superman you could argue that's true [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► that it you know they made a whole TV [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► series about what happens before he puts [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► on the costume because once you put on [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► the costume it's like death so i don't [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► gotta take what you have to take away [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► his powers for [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► drama soon as he is Superman right [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► Superman Superman as one of the younger [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► members on this podcast is just what I [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► no no me me young whatever we talking [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► about [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► I'm I really really hate the excuse of [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► oh well we want to introduce it to a [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► younger generation let's just remake it [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► and instead of let's instead get our [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► kids into the older things that we got [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► into at the first place like I know some [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► people are like oh well the kids are so [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► used to modern-day special-effects [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► they're not gonna want to see the [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► original Superman or something like that [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► we need to reboot it every 10 years [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► because God knows there are the spider [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► man that came out in what 2019 you like [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► the 2,000 wire 2001 yeah 2002's all [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► those those effects are so outdated [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► that's why we're going to remake it and [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► we really want to you know skew the sky [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► I really just hate that argument in [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► general and that can be made for outside [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► the superhero genre to where it's it's [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► it's a lazy man's excuse so here let's [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► move on to the movies that we think have [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► been underrated and are especially [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► deserving of of of praise that what they [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► may not have gotten I mean the consensus [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► i think is that the dark knight which [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► we've already taken our bats too huh not [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► upon that I intended [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► we have slammed the dark knight and and [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► you know spider-man 2 is actually widely [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► considered to be one of the one of the [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► best superhero movies i'm interested in [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► what you guys want to single out as as [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► movies that one should should revisit [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► that are better than maybe are widely [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► are widely held been would you like to [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► go first on this one [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► sure I really loved darkman which was I [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► mean talking about Sam Raimi Oh Sam [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► Raimi you know dark man came out 1990 I [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► think start Larry Drake from LA Law and [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► some no-name guy Liam Neeson I don't [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► know what he went on to do but it was a [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► terrific film it was supposed to be the [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► shadow and Ramey couldn't get the right [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► i think it's kind of [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► I i think it's sort of a cult favorite [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► and and probably folks here would [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► probably respected a lot i but i don't [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► think it's really well appreciated i [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► think it came in between you know that [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► you know there was that that's the spate [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► of you know super Superman films in the [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► seventies and early eighties and then [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► you know this is great revival of [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► superhero movies in the in the latter [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► part of the 1990s and and throughout the [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► 2000s but they kind of came at an [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► interesting time well I guess now i [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► guess in the nineteen nineties you had [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► your well too bad the bad i hadn't had [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► the Batman you had the tip you know the [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► problem with the tim burton Batman [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► things a is it is those tim burton's [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► batman movies are so overshadowed by the [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► sequels that you I almost mean with the [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► exception of the elfin soundtracks I've [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► kind of put them out of my brain to the [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► original isn't good it's a good evidence [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► I great is it is i mean in but you know [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► whatever happened to Michael Keaton too [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► by the way no I know he's sucking still [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► around but no III dark I think darkman [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► it came in that in that period you know [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► a way that was probably overshadowed by [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► by the Batman the burden Batman films as [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► well and and but it was it was it's [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► really good and you know it it has that [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► great Larry Drake villain I mean you [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► know I think I think he was probably one [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► of the better-known people in that movie [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► and you had this this great story with [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► you know this this do good scientists [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► who should face is burned off and that [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► mean it's got this darkness to it and [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► but it's you know it's got this great [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► heroism to is got this this great humor [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► to it is that so that's the reason I [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► believe that Sam Raimi got the job to [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► direct Spiderman was that he had not [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► only have this great cult following but [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► he had a superhero movie and it was good [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► it was really good but yeah I mean yeah [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► I I am i I've seen that probably why I [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► saw it when it came out in theatres and [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► the nice i watched it again a couple [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► years ago [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► and i think i think i ran across the end [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► of it on on cable [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► maybe within the past few months and you [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► know the end there were Bruce Campbell [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► makes his his cameo appearance as he's [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► want to do and I any of these ray movies [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► but yea dark man is is it is a great [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► little superhero film that you know it's [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► got all these people who went on to do [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► great things in it you know and you know [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► Frances McDormand to love interest you [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► know is that was some years before fargo [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► and when no one knew who she was and now [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► it's it's it's really really good and [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► that's kind of one of those things that [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► I'm sort of maybe when my son is a [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► little older i'm looking forward to just [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► showing to him because I i think that's [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► one of those one of those really [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► well-rounded superhero movies that [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► doesn't involve superpowers but it's got [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► great action and great drama and and and [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► bring me a brilliant riding and you know [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► memorable lines like you know bring [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► mediations fingers things like this is [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► you are a sucker for those lines aren't [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► I know I know ya get the bone sobbing [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► the asian me rehne do you have a movie [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► that deserves a little a little extra [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► love well I would say the rocketeer [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► except i feel like that's not underrated [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► in the geek following to which I'm [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► talking to I I'd say it's publicly like [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► on the whole underrated well I mean you [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► could you do that I know if dan moore [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► and were here he would say the rocketeer [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► because he loves that movie I I'll i [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► love the Rockets you dearly but i but I [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► feel like it would be I don't know every [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► everybody likes the rocketeer yes on the [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► podcast i feei like I want to talk i [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► guess more you can you can skip ahead we [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► we've mentioned the rocketeer the [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► rocketeers been covered if you've got [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► something else you'd like to [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► well it's like I i love the rocketeer [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► and the rocketeers probably one of my [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► favorite superhero films but in terms of [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► like underrated and kind of guilt I more [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► guilty pleasure is I have a very special [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► place in my heart for Mystery Men of all [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► which is this not is a movie that came [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► out in 1999 which is basically about a [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► bunch of misanthropic too [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► heroes and did terribly the box and [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► still are right yeah against ben stiller [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► but the really i mean on unlike sort of [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► an outside glands it's like you look at [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► the trailer you're like okay this is [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► going to be ridiculous and kind of [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► stupid but it i mean and and it has its [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► ridiculous moments but there's something [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► to be said about the group of the [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► outcasts who band together and try and [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► try and take care of people and getting [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► rid of the popular shoot like the [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► popular super heroes vs. the unpopular [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► superheroes and accidentally killing the [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► popular superhero and william h macy as [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► a superhero which is just hilarious [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► visitors gene Gruffalo as a superhero [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► eddie izzard isn't it is one of the [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► villain something like that but it's [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► just it's one of those it's one of those [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► films that when i'm kinda like 16 or [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► when I'm down its such it's so like so [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► much fun to watch very ridiculous [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► all right mystery man John what about [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► you what what underappreciated do you [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► think this will be quick because so [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► we've already pretty much disgusted but [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► I think Batman Begins is underrated [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► mostly because the dark knight just [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► squashes it in the minds of the public [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► but if you go back and watch batman [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► begins its like a breath of fresh air [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► like maybe the highs are as high as they [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► are in Dark Knight but the overall [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► average of the movies much higher is [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► just clean tidy takes itself seriously [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► does everything that you know either [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► competently or well and and it really [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► holds together re-watching it recently i [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► was reminded of how much more like this [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► like I'd I I'd almost forgotten it [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► existed because you know dark knight is [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► says you know come and taken over the [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► consciousness but uh that one that I [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► think deserves more credit than dark [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► night and is consequently underrated by [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► most people this point I'm with you [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► there I actually think that that might [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► be Christopher Nolan's best movie [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► because i also thought inception was [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► kinda shaky but that's another podcast [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► anyway about momento i did--like momenta [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► well mementos up there and I like the [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► what's the magician movie that he did [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► this is the 11th prestige the Presti [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► machine of the Presti's that might be my [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► favorite but it's not him [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► yeah so but I I'd i agree with you i [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► bought back man begins when it came out [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► on DVD because I was like that is a [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► great i don't buy a lot [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► the dvds but that one was a definite [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► purchase because I am [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► yea big big fan of that one they did a [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► great origin story too [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► yeah it is it is a good or official [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► story is a good origin story because it [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► made the material new again I think that [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► man Ryan's was probably my favorite I [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► new superhero movie until iron man came [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► out right does everybody here love iron [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► man but that's another one that I i love [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► iron man just don't disagree and i love [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► them i thought the movie was fun but it [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► is not even close to batman begins in my [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► mind I don't have anything bad to say [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► about ours in my top 5 along with Batman [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► Begins I think it's robert downey jr [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► honestly that doesn't give me your [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► captain's his way through that movie and [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► I think it that's one of the best things [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► about that movie maybe I'm just not into [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► iron man kind of the same way around the [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► spider-man it's a good movie [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► it doesn't have anything wrong with it [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► just it didn't want me as much as Batman [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► Begins other than JK Simmons jonah [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► Jameson it maybe Robert Downey junior [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► Ironman maybe the best bit of superhero [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► movie casting ever [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► I mean it's that was good casting its [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► purpose i don't know much about iron man [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► but you i mean he he just as iron man 3 [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► billionaire so you're talking with Tony [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► Stark it to ya [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► perhaps yeah we have yes absolutely yeah [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► yeah I know i-i-i on twitter i was [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► talking about my favorite superhero [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► movies and and I couldn't decide the [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► number three slot whether it would be [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► Batman Begins for ironman because i like [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► them both and yes I admit one of the [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► reasons i like Iron Man my push Ironman [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► is because it was released at the [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► beginning of the summer that the Dark [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► Knight came out and everybody said oh [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► dark knight grade its best picture and [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► all this stuff and I said wow you know I [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► it wasn't even the best superhero movie [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► to you because I I've had a much I came [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► out of iron man feeling so great it was [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► such a ride and you know what when I [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► watch it back it's still a good it's [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► still a really good movie [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► it makes you smile yeah it's fun the [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► only time somebody iron man my son this [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► is one of my great accomplishments as a [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► parent my son loved Iron Man Iron movie [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► so much he actually likes the ironman [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► video game which is terrible [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► which is awful haha no that is an [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► endorsement and that's the power of [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► intellectual property I'm gonna say for [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► my for my underappreciated and actually [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► looked at [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► up on rotten tomatoes and got a [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► 75-percent of tomato meter reading but I [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► feel like maybe it doesn't have a lot of [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► credibility as a superhero movie because [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► people view it as a kind of cheesy kids [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► moving but megamind love the megamind [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► and I think that anybody mind is great [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► love superheroes should see megamind [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► because it is it is a really good movie [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► and my kids liked it yeah but i loved it [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► and and yes it was a lot of debts to a [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► lot of different movies including what [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► including the watchman comic book not [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► the movie including the incredibles but [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► megamind I think 44 jaded geeky people [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► who are like I'm not gonna watch that [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► that's a kids movie watch megamind I [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► just mind was megamind was really good [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► and of of the non pixar movies that came [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► out in 2010 [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► I actually I liked megamind better than [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► respectable tickle me know i like to [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► make mine a lot my son like mine i think [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► quite a bit more than that one with [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► corel whatever it's called the CNO me [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► been despicable you ya know it was no [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► but megamind was really cool and and [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► yeah in it and and it's it was a lot but [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► she that the reason why that worked i [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► think is because the references weren't [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► so obvious right a problem with a lot of [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► these these animated movies that mean [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► they rely too much on obvious pop [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► culture references that will be dated an [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► interesting problem [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► yeah this track and and the worst movie [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► of all time in this in this vein was [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► planet 51 but but but make mine was was [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► really good it was really pretty sound [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► and I'm you know what I think that'll [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► hold up pretty well and I i hope it i [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► hope it does well what one of the best [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► if not the best will ferrell performance [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► by the way [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► so you know ho no yep that's me [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► mispronounces ever he refers to the city [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► of men of Metrocity as matroska t crimes [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► with atrocity throughout it's beautiful [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► it's actually a wacky performance but [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► it's got the big E's got the big head [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► like the leader from the incredible hulk [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► and he's the villain but he's sort of [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► the hero and these the protagonist and [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► it's good so now with our remaining time [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► i wanna i wanna flip it over to the [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► lighter side i want some on a bash [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► praise of a movie that you love that's a [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► superhero movie that you would hold up [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► and say that's the way to do it [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► that's the stuff and for this will start [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► with red you have a you have put [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► something up on the pedestal [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► this is where i put Rocketeer up on the [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► pedestal rockin Rapids here racketeer [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► and incredibles are my two my to kind of [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► top go with all the time superhero react [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► the other one's gonna get mentioned [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► really Jason you don't sell its possible [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► whether only there I've got two and i [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► think both of them might be mentioned [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► before I could get to me but that's ok [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► so Rocketeer provoke a love for for the [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► rocket you know Jennifer Connelly's in [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► the rocketeer I know Jennifer Connelly's [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► in the rocketeer all kind of wonderful [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► people in the rocketeer alan arkin in [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► the rocketeer Timothy Dalton as well [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► Timothy Dalton is great the rocketeer [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► Timothy Dalton is fantastic [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► I mean I love ok I'm i have a big place [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► in my heart for I sort of i think it's [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► the Indiana Jones complex where I just [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► like movies that are set in the nineteen [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► thirties in the nineteen forties there's [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► something fantastic about it and that [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► the Nazis and I mean you really can't go [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► wrong when you have knocked eases as the [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► lurking force in a film and people [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► flying to the point where i grew up in [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► pasadena and the rose parade went right [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► by my house when I was a kid and I think [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► I came back from college a couple years [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► back in george lucas was hosting the the [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► Rose Parade that year he was the Grand [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► Marshal and had you know the star wars [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► star wars floats and most of it was [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► pretty cool theme which was unfortunate [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► but the highlight of that rose parade [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► for me was not like the excess of Star [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► Wars but it was the moment where a man [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► from Ohio came out of a float strapped [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► to what looked like the [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► you rock it from the rocketeer and flew [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► around the parade group and it was the [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► coolest thing because i was you know [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► it's like oh my favorite moves and sits [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► in real life and was super exciting but [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► I'm the the film itself i magically love [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► it's there are corny parts in their [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► cheesy parts but it's wonderful i love [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► the score [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► I I is I just feel like I battle over it [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► because it's it's yeah it's a comfort [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► movie and it's very hard and it takes [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► place in LA so right the rocketeer John [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► what about you for for uh some happy [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► thoughts [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► so I'm going to take the one that I [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► think is on your list as well I could [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► take both of us but i'll just take one [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► thanks let Ben take the other one [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► yeah all right this could also go under [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► underrated because i think it is [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► underrated i think it is but it's also [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► my favorite superhero movie probably [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► because it has most of the trappings of [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► a note doesn't have most of the [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► trappings of a superhero movie clichés [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► but he has all of the clichés they all [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► the clichés or they're just not the [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► trappings of themselves kind of stealth [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► and it's and night shyamalan's [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► unbreakable we have my favorite [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► superhero movie and my favorite and [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► night Shyamalan movie [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► yes it outstanding because in there and [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► you just like it you like wasting this [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► every single cliché from superhero [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► movie is there but they do not have the [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► window dressing I don't know and just [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► you don't know you're watching a [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► superhero movie and roll right but very [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► late where you realize oh IC right and [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► it does it does it all the exact same [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► things of a superhero and we are his [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► story but in a superhero I don't know [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► what the trappings are like but [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► obviously the trappings are titled it [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► gives you the name of a superhero the [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► trappings are that there's you know that [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► this theme music for the superpower that [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► you're familiar with the superhero ahead [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► of time that you know that this this is [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► not a a Marvel or DC comic yer this is [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► nobody this is this is a in the same way [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► in a real-life superhero situation does [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► not believe you just said that there's [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► no foreknowledge of who the superhero is [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► what their name is going to be what [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► their powers are going to be from [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► variety from the from the audience from [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► the person involved in the story at all [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► so we're talking about you know why do [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► they have to redo the origin stories [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► everyone knows spider- that's that's [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► part of the problem like the title of [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► the movie is Spiderman ever [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► no there's got to be some manners a [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► spider and we probably heard of [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► spider-man we've heard of Superman right [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► there's always called unbreakable will [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► make out nothing [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► it's a fake out because everybody saw [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► the sixth sense and so they're thinking [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► it's gonna be a thriller it's gonna be a [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► supernatural kind of story and and for a [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► guy whose whole career has been derailed [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► I mean eventually by himself but also by [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► the reputation of his first movie the [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► unbreakable is great i think in part [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► because it does play against his [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► reputation in a way that means and this [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► may be why it isn't as loved as it [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► should be [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► you know people are expecting it to be [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► one thing and it's and it's another but [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► I love that it's it's that's the fake [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► out of it he kind of walked backwards [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► into success here because all his movies [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► are so our shop the same pace to send [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► like he's got that that's that every [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► night style he has is perfect for a [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► movie like The Sixth Sense and it's [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► totally not what you expect for Superman [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► we have since every single one of his [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► movies are like this it just so happens [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► that doing a super hero movie like this [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► is is great because you're like what's [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► going on here is this is this some [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► serious you know I don't quite it gets [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► you into it in the same way you know [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► like for example that same pacing those [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► in the village and the village just like [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► screw you i'm not you know it just ends [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► up being silly or stupid or whatever [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► with this just draws you in and draws [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► you in and the payoff is there and [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► you're like this was the greatest [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► superhero movie ever you know and I [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► didn't even know what I was watching [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► until late in the game and then you look [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► Mac you located all those exact same [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► things and more as a result that moment [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► you know where he's whatever he is what [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► like a green poncho man or what ever is [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► basically what it is but a man with an [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► ancho mr. unbreakable which is no nobody [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► goes into the house and he's very [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► reluctant to do it and he discovers that [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► he's got these abilities and he goes [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► into the house and there's the business [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► you know they've been there people being [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► held captive and their people who are [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► dead and he he almost dies and he gets [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► saved by the people he saved and that [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► it's just so unbelievably powerful i [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► actually think powerful in a way that no [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► other seen in any other super hero movie [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► is and it's got to be because of the [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► grounding you get before you get to that [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► point that was the movie that [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► established I mean that really really [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► established the kind of realism that I [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► think a lot of audiences have come to [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► expect [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► back from superhero movies now because [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► it really showed you know the the [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► humanity and vulnerability of the hero [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► and so you see that and in a lot of you [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► know in TV shows like heroes and things [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► like that i mean i think that movie the [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► movie was so good for for that reason [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► it's just like what it what it would be [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► like a spider man tries to this is under [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► what would it be like if you were a [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► regular person one day and then you [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► found you had these amazing powers the [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► next day what what effect will that have [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► on you and spider-man it's like well [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► this is a big responsibility i'm just a [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► teenager and I want to be a teenager but [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► you know that but you're still kind of [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► like oh I'm spider-man this is like no [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► seriously what if you just slug off the [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► street with the marriage that has [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► problems in a kid and just a job and and [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► you know this starts to become a parent [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► in your life what would that be like [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► what how it manifests itself what would [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► do you would you want to be a hero would [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► you be interested in this at all you [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► know that that level of realism because [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► again it space like an M night Shyamalan [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► movie you're not sure where they're [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► going is like it's a especially the [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► beginning like so this is a movie about [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► a guy was crazy and thinks he has [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► superpowers or as just about his mental [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► breakdown or is he gonna like [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► accidentally get killed by his boat his [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► kid in the kitchen you know whether the [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► whole scene with the gun and everything [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► you're not sure you know if you don't go [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► in which i didn't want to know nothing [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► about this movie you don't go in with [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► Superman superheroes anywhere in your [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► mind those early scenes are just you [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► know riveting and confusing and you [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► don't quite understand where the movies [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► going and then only in retrospect can [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► you go back like a superhero he has a [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► weakness is our story has an archenemy [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► you know now and the end of the pieces [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► come together [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► yeah the in fact the train wreck at the [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► beginning which is stunning eyes I it [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► never shows the wreck and yet it is just [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► this amazing shocking thing and in [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► hindsight you look at that you say well [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► that is sort of his equivalent of the [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► you know with great power comes great [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► responsibility kind of moment where he [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► is the only survivor of a train wreck [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► and he steps out of the wreckage is [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► brought out of the wreckage but at the [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► time I mean you how would you ever think [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► that that's the context of it and his [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► son is also like the great power great [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► responsibility his son throw up on in [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► the idea of a child saying well but [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► don't if you can do these things that [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► you have a responsibility to you know [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► like it because [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► that's just what kids want to hear to [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► save them and the father you know an [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► adult doesn't think that the kid [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► immediately says no you have to be super [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► you have to do this the kid you know [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► puts more weight on the bar balance says [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► now let's see what you can do you have [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► to do this right all right Ben it's your [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► turn [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► I'm stealing your other favorite go [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► ahead movie of all time [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► the incredibles yeah then surprise [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► waiting all yelling 321 in unison say [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► the incredibles mean this is a movie [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► that everyone is really the sort of [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► quintessential superhero movie because [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► it is unburdened by any other you know [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► property here you have it the the you [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► know pixar was able to establish this [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► this grand universe this origin but at [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► the same time we we can recognize these [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► people are never ever any awards and [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► story about how they get their powers by [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► the way there's just no no origins no [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► origin story but in fact it did the [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► watchman better than the watchman [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► yes I mean it you know we have these [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► people who were super powerful and who [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► were forced out by the government [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► because of lost lots of lessons right [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► right nao and the watchman it was [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► different but I mean this is basically [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► the watchman is it should have been done [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► but they do the great i mean the [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► incredibles was you know this this this [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► great superhero tale about excellence [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► yes and yet and duty excellence in Duty [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► is really what it comes down to because [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► these are people who are you know gods [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► among mortals who have an obligation to [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► serve their fellow man i mean which is [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► what every superhero stories sort of [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► about but it is done in such a way it is [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► done so well and is done precisely [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► because it is it is sort of knew and [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► they were able to create this universe [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► drawing on influences from all the [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► comics and in cartoons and other films [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► that we've seen what is done in such a [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► such a way that is is unlike anything [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► we've ever seen I know Jason you've [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► actually said in the past that I mean in [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► that particular year i think that was [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► not not only your favorite animal [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► did film it was also what your favorite [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► film yeah that particular year and I [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► think it's the best pixar movie and [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► that's saying something [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► hmm maybe it absolutely is one aspect of [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► the incredibles that is interesting for [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► a superhero movie but is one of my [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► favorite things about the movie is it [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► has a very healthy dose of James Bond [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► thrown in case it's not a super room but [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► they throw that in there and it just [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► works so well it's like the special [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► spice that you know the secret spice and [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► the recipe that just pulls it all [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► together for me because that's the [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► flavor of like the middle that movie in [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► terms of the the setting and action [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► scenes and anywhere with you know you [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► know the drum mic right in the Michael [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► chiquinho score house where is [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► channeling john-michael chiquinho score [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► is right from John Barry yeah that like [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► that that's my favorite scene in the [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► whole movie when he's coming in on that [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► big manta ray thing and it ducks under [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► the water it's a horrific you know [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► montage like thing of him getting a [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► secret message going to the secret [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► island you know you ends up on the [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► balcony with this tropical paradise with [TS]