0:00:00the incomparable Todd test number 22
0:00:08January 2011 recorded live in front of a
0:00:13studio audience of one
0:00:20it's friday night it's 9pm Pacific do
0:00:24you know where your children and you
0:00:25know what we're doing because we're
0:00:26party animals
0:00:27we're all drinking tea like the English
0:00:30dreamy me know in comments to do that
0:00:34wasn't even an English accent I wished
0:00:35it was it just sounds kind of pompous I
0:00:37want to talk about you know what Stephen
0:00:39Fry ok Mycroft Holmes all right so mark
0:00:44gatiss I don't want to talk about any so
0:00:46let me explain what's happening here
0:00:47this is the uncomfortable podcast i am
0:00:51jason l apparently your host because
0:00:53I've been declared so by Dan Morris the
0:00:55the sort of explain we are here though
0:00:58there is a scalar is too much
0:01:00don't let me sum up normally when we do
0:01:03these podcasts we are scattered across
0:01:05the four corners of the earth or at
0:01:07least of the United States and we do it
0:01:10all with the magic of skype and that's
0:01:13why this podcast is so very wrong
0:01:14because we're all in a little room where
0:01:18they turned off the air conditioning and
0:01:19we're all slowly going to suffocate on
0:01:21jason's quest recording this together
0:01:24why is this night different from all the
0:01:26night um maybe they said there are not
0:01:30enough people in the room who get that
0:01:32so I like I get it yeah I know you do I
0:01:34know you do know you do i'm pointing and
0:01:36our audience yes we we do have an
0:01:39audience of one who's taking up the
0:01:41oxygen its gonna be like the cold
0:01:43equations actually at some point
0:01:44somebody's gonna have to die and we're
0:01:46going to shoot them out the door of the
0:01:47podcast room just in order to keep
0:01:49enough oxygen going this time on the
0:01:52uncomfortable we slowly kill off members
0:01:54of the cast will survive
0:01:55yes that would be a great episode so
0:01:57joining me here if it isn't already
0:01:58obvious in this room today locked in its
0:02:01like a locked-room mystery the mystery
0:02:03is what are we talking about some time
0:02:04and our suspects are myself jason l also
0:02:07known as Professor plum across from me
0:02:10is serenity Caldwell miss Scarlett
0:02:12hiding
0:02:13uh next to her is Glenn fleischmann
0:02:17Colonel Mustard i'm holding a pipe there
0:02:21is no pipe there is no pipe that Hisle
0:02:23next to me like that to me is dan dan
0:02:26moore and mr. green eyed see ok mr.
0:02:29green it is and our audience is holding
0:02:31a candlestick and
0:02:33and wherein is that like you so wait are
0:02:38our loan audience member could be mr.
0:02:39body he is just the island he's the
0:02:41unnamed victim mr. body is here with us
0:02:44has a name
0:02:45tvs Lex Friedman see and this is great
0:02:48because we have laughter but it's not a
0:02:50laugh track it's just a guy but he
0:02:52laughs every time the same way as me
0:02:54maybe it's like the first season as my
0:02:55last night
0:02:56ok so glad you said you wanted to talk
0:02:59about Stephen friday then I'd always
0:03:01want to talk about Stephen Fry because
0:03:02he is possibly the most interesting
0:03:03person the world not just doesn't listen
0:03:05to this quietness it's almost over
0:03:08alright well we could tweet it to him in
0:03:10any case so Stephen Fry has been
0:03:12tweeting that he will be playing Mycroft
0:03:14Holmes in an upcoming second sherlock
0:03:17holmes movie with Robert Downey jr. jr.
0:03:19students to hear yet that's the horns
0:03:21week already down to do not i just use
0:03:24your friends column June June RDG so a
0:03:27UH treated the gs4 to your GSI and
0:03:32besides so Stephen Fry has my craft Mart
0:03:35gallery Morty market money Morty Mark
0:03:37Gatiss played sure my craft Sherlock's
0:03:40elder brother in the recent BBC
0:03:43adaptation that we all talked about
0:03:44right the type of muffins and and market
0:03:46if I was smart I would look up who
0:03:47played a mini Jeremy Brett series it's a
0:03:49it's a I don't the underlord it was
0:03:52episode something so he was Blofeld in
0:03:54diamonds are forever with a terrible
0:03:57bond I've seen all the bonds and let me
0:03:59tell you diamonds are forever
0:04:00that was the movie is that not the movie
0:04:02where Sean Connery came back after
0:04:04departing no no you think I've never say
0:04:06never again
0:04:07no no no but he came back he quit and
0:04:09then George Lazenby did on her majesty's
0:04:11secret service and then they na through
0:04:13a lot of money at sean connery to come
0:04:15back and do one last bono the heat films
0:04:19like five or six up front he left last
0:04:21he came in after lesson he was more and
0:04:24alone this there's a one-off which is
0:04:26not is one of those ones that like the
0:04:28broccoli family did not only racing
0:04:30royale no no that there's also never say
0:04:32never again will that which is wonderful
0:04:34that the ball right and he's got great
0:04:36hair
0:04:36it's sean connery and it's like 1980 and
0:04:38like kim basinger around
0:04:39I don't think that's the you know now at
0:04:42a risk of destroying our computer I
0:04:44don't think that's the bond timeline
0:04:45well sorry what we're talking about
0:04:46James blood bond over this is gonna be
0:04:48like the eight degrees of parentheses
0:04:50one large cast is one more mystery
0:04:52science theater 3000 uncovered a movie
0:04:54made by sean connery's brother in which
0:04:56he plays James Bond's brother a man who
0:04:59can control people with his mind and
0:05:01they pronounced off and they bring I
0:05:03think it's the guy plays Blofeld also is
0:05:05in this terrible terrible movie in which
0:05:08and it opens with the villain projecting
0:05:11a movie on a nude back of a woman
0:05:13because that's apparently what villains
0:05:15do they use women as a kind of furniture
0:05:17not very good for movies free screen as
0:05:21well its kind of furniture not like
0:05:23mackerel is just to be clear here and to
0:05:26show that Dan Morgan is wrong again
0:05:27online Majesty's Secret Service was
0:05:29start star George Lazenby has released
0:05:31in 1969 it didn't go so well and they
0:05:34said please please Sean Connery come
0:05:36back to be James Bond which is why he
0:05:38appeared in diamonds are forever in 1971
0:05:41with the guy who is mycroft and sherlock
0:05:44holmes terrible movie and that was his
0:05:47last movie until he did the never say
0:05:49never again kind of contractual
0:05:51obligation think and then Roger Moore
0:05:53came in so what do you know you know did
0:05:54it was not something so actually it was
0:05:56economies products in the over Connery
0:05:59then more i have it on good authority
0:06:00from person who interviewed Sean Connery
0:06:03and multiplication that he is a not very
0:06:05smart
0:06:06gentlemen even in his prime as you need
0:06:08to borrow additional glad that we have a
0:06:11great day ahead of us comrade I'm a rush
0:06:14so terrible that Sean Connery did is our
0:06:17nose and eyes like with one of our God
0:06:20is a good i learned with highlander
0:06:22through when i was thinking is our God
0:06:24Zardoz Zardo money and activity there's
0:06:28lots of disease there's also highlander
0:06:30to the money collecting yes well the
0:06:32interval that's for sure
0:06:34yes it's that is that was highlighted to
0:06:36we're bringing back from the dead so he
0:06:38can make some more money a terrible
0:06:40highlander 33 highlander film i like i
0:06:43like that in the first Lander movie he
0:06:45is the only actual Scottish person in
0:06:47the movie and he plays an Egyptian and
0:06:49you have heard you have heard Mr
0:06:53Christopher Lambert has a terrible
0:06:54terrible scotch and you have heard who's
0:06:57the late-night host who is mr. wick on
0:06:59craig ferguson Ferguson's a whole rant
0:07:00about the fact that they get a Scots
0:07:02when he goes to Scotland in the movie
0:07:05Highlander and then does a spanish fake
0:07:08Egyptian accent the only movie that Sean
0:07:11Connery was ever in which he should have
0:07:13actually use outside so it doesn't use a
0:07:15different accent he still sounds like
0:07:16one from Egypt value thousand years old
0:07:18that's that's his voice how is it
0:07:21possible that i have more control over
0:07:23this podcast when you're on skype then
0:07:25when you're in the room with me how
0:07:27would you got your muscle because we
0:07:29can't even like we can't let go over
0:07:31each other its former when we're outside
0:07:33the beauty very then i can cut you out
0:07:35here I can't do anything
0:07:36no just talking you're all at our mercy
0:07:38so Stephen Fry leaving fri wonderful
0:07:41actor
0:07:41where were you going with stout as
0:07:43opposed to Tolland I was just thinking
0:07:45about my just like Mycroft Holmes smart
0:07:47game is like bikes the word bird girl
0:07:53I'm just time I'm just talking about
0:07:54Mycroft ladies watch your man that
0:07:58Mycroft is one badjojo matter i like
0:08:01talking a little brother I can I like
0:08:04corporate detectives who sitting
0:08:05comfortable chairs is there and that is
0:08:07a someone like Scott not be liking
0:08:10historical like fiction that begins with
0:08:12the letter W I don't know that in New
0:08:14York it is you know anyone there are
0:08:16there are many many detectives in this
0:08:18category and I will defend that I'll
0:08:20defend the indefensible
0:08:21alright so see them so what so so a
0:08:23proposed you have a list of two so far
0:08:25stephen fry is Mycroft Holmes vegas is
0:08:29is Mycroft Holmes in this be interesting
0:08:32because because Sherlock Holmes is in
0:08:34the public domain we have these two
0:08:36franchises of Sherlock Holmes
0:08:38on simultaneously you don't want to
0:08:40start me down that path sherlock holmes
0:08:41is not in the public domain precisely
0:08:43and it is the most boring story i could
0:08:45possibly tell you I'm really review some
0:08:46of it in the public domain sort of this
0:08:49issue about oh don't get me started
0:08:50there's a new york times article that
0:08:52smells and marvelously if it if
0:08:53listeners can use the google tell us
0:08:55about wireless standards it's you i'm
0:08:58not going there the I Triple E in 140
0:09:01characters or less go well you see no
0:09:05actually it's there's an interesting
0:09:05story there is interesting story i will
0:09:07get interesting story of this god damn
0:09:09it I store now we have to use the
0:09:11explicit rating you market is so the
0:09:13interesting story is your lesson what
0:09:15happens is there is a literary figures
0:09:17such as I know Agatha Christie or Arthur
0:09:20Conan Doyle or someone who writes a
0:09:21series of interesting novels and TV
0:09:25shows whatever and then they die and
0:09:27their spouse remarries and the person to
0:09:30marry is often a lawyer who is very good
0:09:31at exploiting the rights of dead people
0:09:34literary properties that minutes in and
0:09:37of itself could be a TV show that would
0:09:39be a great TV show don't have a kindle
0:09:41here is everybody okay with her keel I
0:09:43go without a light Murder She Wrote and
0:09:46then he died and then she wrote murder
0:09:49and murder murder she posthumously
0:09:50cashed in the pond
0:09:52wow that's the title of the pot you know
0:09:54Angela Lansbury been needing some more
0:09:56clearly
0:09:57yes well ever since you live right ever
0:09:59since she married george orwell she that
0:10:02was a match maiden George or one
0:10:05direction it works this is the worst
0:10:07room in the world right now isn't it
0:10:08it's really isn't it really warm and
0:10:11this wasn't drinking tea
0:10:13are we in the I feel like we're in the
0:10:14box i'm not prison like when you put
0:10:16your solid was like walking around like
0:10:18a homicide where Frank Pendleton is
0:10:19gonna come maybe a little bit i know you
0:10:21did it slowly boiling frog that's the
0:10:25part again and get back to the initial
0:10:27concept of this podcast gradually each
0:10:30of us will die leaving only lacks alive
0:10:33that's comparable for his that's murder
0:10:36by death this is the plot is murdered by
0:10:37death isn't it
0:10:38you know Peter fall down yes and her
0:10:41Truman Capote so so Stephen frost office
0:10:44suite
0:10:45he was no not yet born by sometime but
0:10:47when I was this is a long before you are
0:10:49out but like my mom took me in a bunch
0:10:52of friends besides you're going to
0:10:53murder by death murder by death for you
0:10:55know birthday party for my friends that
0:10:58secret movie this is a picture with her
0:11:00like I was our hidden ironic message in
0:11:02madden and their corporate detectives in
0:11:05that film is the name of this episode
0:11:08the corpulent the curious case of the
0:11:11corpulent you all rounder and within
0:11:14your color did you picture will be gone
0:11:16is there was there more about stephen
0:11:18fry or were you in the air with that was
0:11:21all you had was good friends with better
0:11:22way to pick up you started and said you
0:11:24know Stephen Fry an interesting story
0:11:26he's going to be my cross he end of line
0:11:30i have a friend in Rome you know
0:11:33wow damn orange head has hit the table
0:11:36ladies and gentlemen this is what
0:11:37happens when we don't prepare I like to
0:11:39apologize to everybody all ready for
0:11:40this but it sounds like one of the other
0:11:42podcast i used to do with my friend and
0:11:43I would just sit online and riff for 20
0:11:45minutes they said week with a lot on
0:11:47your subjects when I was a kid my note
0:11:50to self used to do the used to do the
0:11:52voices bow with Jason's thing I don't
0:11:55know how he knew when a time travel
0:11:58thing really remember the I it was a boy
0:12:00talk in the home alone movies or
0:12:02something like that it's like the little
0:12:03the little handheld recorder
0:12:05oh that he used to like simulate the at
0:12:07the mob guys I had I had the girly
0:12:10version of this sad
0:12:12Thank will call girl talking was called
0:12:14girl talk and it was terrifying and I
0:12:16got it from a friend is a what Mary
0:12:18different was just pink it was purple
0:12:21actually we're gonna try fix all of this
0:12:22imposed do my job to get back to the
0:12:25point I was originally even tried but
0:12:29he's great he's very talented
0:12:31you know you know you know what's a good
0:12:34movie now I the movie that that he's in
0:12:36that I really love in in a desperate
0:12:39attempt to get this on some sort of
0:12:40track is is V for Vendetta
0:12:43that's a serious role right i mean
0:12:45pretty much I've seen it and it's it's
0:12:46really plays a comedian he does have a
0:12:48little italy is a comedian who is sort
0:12:52of protecting his private life and and
0:12:57is empty
0:12:59shields Natalie Portman who I know is
0:13:01near and dear today the seals are by
0:13:02hiding under a bed because secret forces
0:13:04and the totalitarian government would
0:13:06never look under a bed remarkable best
0:13:08you could come up with and then he is
0:13:10then he's taken away and executed
0:13:12basically so what's the secret forces do
0:13:14not spoil or worn that was that is the
0:13:20best boiler horn everything like the
0:13:22spoiler quack spoilers doc Sophie for
0:13:27vendetta I you know the Wachowski
0:13:28brothers who did the matrix and then
0:13:30they made those terrible terrible sequel
0:13:31to the matrix and they didn't sequels
0:13:33that the gun that right now says there's
0:13:36two more coming know that there was
0:13:37doing that 10 but i think i'm not didn't
0:13:40actually directed they produced it and
0:13:42they had like the guy who is their
0:13:43second grader James McTeague yeah and
0:13:47and you know i know some people don't
0:13:48like that movie i love that movie I
0:13:50think that's quick i think that same
0:13:51sorry and it's based on comic book you
0:13:54know Alan more comic book but it's not
0:13:55you know not a super here we come you
0:13:57know it's just a funny thing
0:13:58I'll more didn't like the movie shallow
0:14:00going to be fair alan moore doesn't like
0:14:02specifically requested his name be taken
0:14:04over here JJ not ever
0:14:06well I mean you know to be fair did
0:14:08anyone else see League of Extraordinary
0:14:09Gentlemen that you're John ghadiri and
0:14:13all goes back up from would never let me
0:14:15die
0:14:16that's that is a fun movie though I mean
0:14:18fly safe have fun tonight I would not
0:14:20like to see basement but it's if you
0:14:24wanted the most basic on it's enjoyable
0:14:26it's it's a good enjoyable movie and I
0:14:29know it talks you know and i think you
0:14:32can read it i mean i think at the time
0:14:34it there
0:14:35the way to read it and the way it was
0:14:37coded which was about a criticism of
0:14:39like the bush administration and the war
0:14:41in iraq but i think on a broader level
0:14:43just viewing it again as a movie about a
0:14:46totalitarian see I think there's
0:14:47something for everyone in there right I
0:14:48i think that little girls so terrorism
0:14:52you know yeah that's right free John
0:14:54Hurt is as essentially as big brother
0:14:56um i just i i really like that moving
0:14:59their couple of lovely little eggs in it
0:15:02too like the 10-minute I don't remember
0:15:04the app the actress who plays with the
0:15:05valerie sequence where he's just reading
0:15:07the letters and that's directly from the
0:15:09Communist present comics to yeah that's
0:15:12one of the whatever reading the comic
0:15:14about few months after i saw the film
0:15:16but i only read it online and i think it
0:15:18was only available in like bits and
0:15:20pieces are pirated gettin it's it's
0:15:23beautiful and and yeah that is so
0:15:25touching the the well although the one
0:15:27part of the movie where I really kind of
0:15:29went 'damn is the whole hey natalie
0:15:32portman you're gonna be tortured and
0:15:33we're gonna tell you that you're dying
0:15:34and it's all fake out and there was no
0:15:37everyone well I think about that and I
0:15:39wasn't really a fake-out or but she
0:15:41wasn't complicit in it but it's you know
0:15:43his he/she it's kind of creepy because
0:15:46she accepts it like she goes she's got
0:15:48mad briefly then she feels liberated and
0:15:50I'm like is this a vindication of
0:15:51psychological torture sort of
0:15:53brainwashed right in a way I mean that's
0:15:56one of the interesting things about the
0:15:57movies and then she has her freedom
0:15:59because he's brainwashed her by breaking
0:16:00her through torture but he never breaks
0:16:02or she never confesses she never
0:16:04confesses right that is you know how he
0:16:06picks her that's a good 1984 call back
0:16:07to writing i watch the movie actually
0:16:09when I want to be for vendetta i was
0:16:11drawn back to John Hurt in 1984 which is
0:16:14around in that movie is that is a freaky
0:16:16wonderful underrated film and it's very
0:16:18effective to the book and there's a ton
0:16:20of callbacks including the giant screen
0:16:22envy for the net as a call back to
0:16:24Reggie right right that's I mean she's
0:16:27already set up so its interests it's
0:16:28interesting the the 1984 is an
0:16:32interesting example of a book that is
0:16:33considered great literature and kids
0:16:37read in school and you know you can't
0:16:40not call that a sci-fi book except i
0:16:42think people don't because they're
0:16:43afraid to categorize it as that visual
0:16:45it is a lot of great things wrong in
0:16:461948 rights and there's a there's a lot
0:16:49of get great thought-provoking
0:16:50literature that is you know technically
0:16:52science fiction but it's very often
0:16:54represent under the guise well i'm
0:16:56thinking again you know it along similar
0:16:57lines fahrenheit 451 which is going on a
0:17:00book that i love but i think it is an
0:17:02interesting book it's not my favorite
0:17:04Bradbury work I think he's done
0:17:06for work elsewhere but it's the one that
0:17:07so that's mostly popular and i actually
0:17:09got into a discussion with someone
0:17:10recently about that because I mean it's
0:17:12very similar to 1984 in some themes but
0:17:15one of my friends like oh right
0:17:18Bradbury's crazy said fahrenheit 451
0:17:20that isn't a book about censorship when
0:17:22clearly and i said well i just reread it
0:17:24it isn't about censorship really it's
0:17:27about people the the population
0:17:30willfully becoming sort of anesthetized
0:17:32to like what's going on around them they
0:17:33don't want to know anything they're
0:17:34censoring themselves and the antithesis
0:17:36of people coming in memorizing books and
0:17:38passing them on orally in right which is
0:17:41it again it's it's a book that I find it
0:17:43more interesting in in in its ideas than
0:17:45its execution so i will say that i love
0:17:47the was the movie made in like the
0:17:49seventies eighties yeah they tried to
0:17:51get a remake for years off the ground
0:17:54and it never took off that film was one
0:17:56of the first science-fiction related
0:17:59films i saw after Star Wars and it stuck
0:18:01in my mind like it's one of the many
0:18:02films that I saw on beta tape and that
0:18:06film in particular stuck with me over
0:18:08and over i don't think i read the the
0:18:09actual book until much later there are
0:18:11certain images like images of that I the
0:18:14monorail or whatever the high train i
0:18:17just remember the the giant like the
0:18:18architecture and things like that and
0:18:20it's just it's a very striking film even
0:18:23if it's not entirely solid I haven't
0:18:25seen it i have not either i read the
0:18:27breadline high school yeah i reread it a
0:18:29couple years ago because i was i was
0:18:31interested to see I i read some other
0:18:33Bradbury stuff and really liked it and
0:18:34was just sort of like I should go back
0:18:36and read fahrenheit for yeah he's cool
0:18:38he's really good actually a fantastic
0:18:40writer and if there's a one-book i would
0:18:42recommend it's something wicked this way
0:18:44home yes that which is a great sense
0:18:46look bill is about childhood Spence
0:18:48chills up my spine read that read it i
0:18:51read that in i had just moved into my
0:18:53life after college like my first
0:18:55apartment I didn't have like a bed yet i
0:18:57remember had less sleep and like a
0:18:58mattress on the floor reading this book
0:18:59and it really is it's not it's not scary
0:19:03but it's creepy and like a really
0:19:05effective way and it's just it's his his
0:19:08prose is honestly lyrical really when it
0:19:11gets down to it in a way that I don't
0:19:13think a lot of people right and I've
0:19:15read a couple other things by him since
0:19:16time that I like them i go back and
0:19:18forth but but that
0:19:19one this particular stuck in my mind is
0:19:21like it just it's so evocative there's a
0:19:24a forget how could the movie is 90
0:19:26adaptation 1981 of the TV movie with
0:19:28like jonathan pryce i knows jason
0:19:31robards now they're the the thickets
0:19:32uneven but jason robards fine actor and
0:19:35he's very moving as the father needs a
0:19:37father worried about losing his son the
0:19:39son want to grow faster than he could
0:19:41and the Ray Bradbury he's only you know
0:19:43he always fought and fights the
0:19:44science-fiction label because he thinks
0:19:46of himself as you know writing the Great
0:19:48American Novel or short story over and
0:19:49over again and it uses the least amount
0:19:52of fantasy or science fiction horror
0:19:54elements that he can to convey the
0:19:56emotional reality of what he's saying
0:19:59we've got very seriously also what you
0:20:00also write so if you ever get a chance
0:20:01to read his essays he has written some
0:20:03fabulous s have a collection of essays
0:20:05including at least one about I think
0:20:08about Apple we talked a bit about it
0:20:11about Apple computers and I think like
0:20:13into them in some ways to disney he was
0:20:15I think he was friends with walt disney
0:20:17at some point helping with some of the
0:20:18like Disney World planning or what have
0:20:21you and there's a cryogenic crypt
0:20:22awaiting him check out when i got my cab
0:20:27thanks
0:20:27Wow short stories are also very
0:20:29brilliant s4 space is one of the first
0:20:31science fiction books I ever checked out
0:20:33from the library i must have been like
0:20:34six or seven and it was most of it was
0:20:36very much over my head and very scary
0:20:38but I like I kept that book from the
0:20:42library for about six months and paid a
0:20:45whole lot of overdue fines out of my
0:20:46lions but it was my favorite book and I
0:20:48read it over and over and over for at
0:20:50least a year i was reading some short
0:20:52story collection by him recently and i
0:20:53found it i guess i don't know i was a
0:20:55little disappointed because I found a
0:20:57lot of the story is very like kind of
0:21:01hit you over the head with the with the
0:21:02symbolism some of them i mean yeah like
0:21:05there's one that's for example basically
0:21:07about like what if there's this planet
0:21:09of aliens and like Jesus came down and
0:21:11like a spaceship or something and
0:21:13everybody like you know people ignoring
0:21:14basically I mean it's and kind available
0:21:17it's very thinly veiled and so it was a
0:21:20little bit and and there i mean ii still
0:21:22a great writer i think but it it's not
0:21:24as i don't know i found it a little to
0:21:27hit me over the head of the message
0:21:28well and i think that's that's really
0:21:29where it's what's best and what what
0:21:31syfy does best
0:21:33I'm is it is well it makes you happy my
0:21:36story Jesus is a robot makes you
0:21:39re-evaluate that Robo Jesus I am I mean
0:21:42throw but Jesus that was restrained and
0:21:45I was trying to do filme are there and I
0:21:46didn't have my own completely tangential
0:21:49note too that I mean we tangents away
0:21:51now
0:21:52well once read real yeah I need to step
0:21:55back to Ray Bradbury because i was
0:21:57looking more time i was looking up the
0:21:58fahrenheit 451 movie which is made in
0:22:011966 directed by francois truffaut like
0:22:05which I did and starring starting Oscar
0:22:08water and julie christie which I oh
0:22:10never really couldn't Truffaut making
0:22:13just talking about you know influential
0:22:15directors make cool
0:22:17yes also layers who saw the original
0:22:19arrangement friend Larry at night is a
0:22:22fascinating movie partly because it
0:22:24includes long I mean it's a you know
0:22:26it's a very stylistic film but it is as
0:22:28one of the most disturbing things you
0:22:31can see because a lot of that the one
0:22:33without George Clooney would have
0:22:34charged pretty it's it's disturbing
0:22:36because it's it presents no it's all
0:22:39about simulacrum what is real what is
0:22:41not real and things being created from
0:22:43memory but it's disturbing that the
0:22:44things that should be most disturbing
0:22:46are presented in a very ordinary fashion
0:22:47such as they're orbiting this star you
0:22:51know far from Earth of the sort of no
0:22:52explanation of the science and getting
0:22:54there whatever let's just they do that
0:22:55but the fact that the star turns out to
0:22:57be an intel intelligent creating life
0:22:59from their memories and so forth is
0:23:01that's that in you know these people are
0:23:02presented other actors nose doesn't need
0:23:04to be special effects like his dead wife
0:23:07appears and he has to cope with that
0:23:10even though he knows she's a simulacrum
0:23:11it's um it's very psychologically
0:23:13disturbing in the middle of all this
0:23:14dispensable science fiction isn't like
0:23:16five hours longer yeah there's there's a
0:23:18scene where he's driving the astronauts
0:23:20driving from his you know the doctor or
0:23:22something into is a doctor to the city
0:23:25that goes on in real and I know exactly
0:23:27how you're not sure like this is 20
0:23:29minutes the man driving a car but it's
0:23:30sort of trying to I think p.m.
0:23:32simulations have you seen lights and
0:23:34excellence and you have you seen the
0:23:36fountain has anybody seen found any
0:23:38right now I you see in the many of the
0:23:40long series of things that God is not
0:23:41finished i tried to watch them
0:23:43uh-huh out nice i like the
0:23:46and although I mean I i I'm not sure
0:23:48whether I like it or I appreciate it was
0:23:50trying to do in which failed at but it
0:23:52is roger ebert recently wrote an
0:23:55appreciation of it because Darren
0:23:57Aronofsky just directed that is the
0:24:01fighter help and no xbox one and the
0:24:04rest opinions bell x-1 haven't seen I
0:24:06can't wait to see his follow-up
0:24:07Wolverine that's not a joke he's
0:24:10directing makes me think I mind but but
0:24:12the the but it's like that the the
0:24:14fountain is similar in that way where
0:24:16it's a I mean it's three stories that
0:24:18are interlocked where it's the same guy
0:24:19and he's a conquistadora working for
0:24:21Queen Isabella and then that he's a guy
0:24:23whose wife is it is Isabel and is dying
0:24:27of cancer and then there's this
0:24:28astronaut and and it's still Hugh
0:24:29Jackman again see wolverine
0:24:32internationally and and he's in the far
0:24:35future and he's on this tree spaceship
0:24:37that's going to the star and his will a
0:24:4010 and it's and you know the Ebert's
0:24:43pieces is about how it's really you know
0:24:45you could the present day is the reality
0:24:48the past is story is the story that his
0:24:51wife is writing because she's a novelist
0:24:53and in the future is he had she dies and
0:24:55he has to finish her novel and he dreams
0:24:57that he's bringing her back to life on
0:25:00this spaceship and it's beautiful but it
0:25:02is it is slow and weird and when you
0:25:06describe solaris I thought that you know
0:25:08that sort of like the fountain although
0:25:09although some sunshine the danny boyle
0:25:12movie is also slow and weird and I'm not
0:25:15sure it makes sense more like you have a
0:25:17large it yeah I sort of a great a great
0:25:19game you can play is summarized are
0:25:22incredibly complicated movie in one
0:25:24sentence that destroys all beauty and
0:25:27meaning it
0:25:27thank you very okay this is no I mean
0:25:30Roger everything it's like it's very
0:25:32complicated i'm not i mean i'm sort of
0:25:34like it is that an American society a
0:25:36man in a mask decides to blow up
0:25:39Parliament to that's good at that's good
0:25:42yeah rich guy likes his sled
0:25:46oh that's boiler horn everybody
0:25:52I think I've been more like Rich Jerk
0:25:55just misses his slider that's the thing
0:25:58that I've always found really curious
0:25:59about the fountain which I never saw but
0:26:01I heard a lot about it technically
0:26:03because I have friends who are very sort
0:26:04of into the technical things that all
0:26:06the space effects and the fountain and
0:26:08all of the really interesting kind of
0:26:10weird visual effects were all created by
0:26:13filming things splitting under a
0:26:17microscope coils and so yeah and and
0:26:19putting putting oils and sew all there's
0:26:22like I think there's a scene of the
0:26:23universe exploding or something not
0:26:25exploding but well yeah I think that's
0:26:27the whole like end with the tree and
0:26:29this light and the game cosmos HD is
0:26:33weird
0:26:33cosmos for the ipad actually reminds me
0:26:36of this movie I'm not kidding because
0:26:37it's strange forms that seem alive
0:26:39moving back and forth and undulating are
0:26:43out man with it but Stephen Fry yeah
0:26:45that no reason it's not so so backing it
0:26:49up again
0:26:50uh other any other like books that you
0:26:53were assigned in school that are
0:26:54supposed to be great literature that it
0:26:56that are sort of shh don't tell anybody
0:26:58that it's actually most brave new world
0:27:01the world's yummiest classic example a
0:27:03hard time getting through an amazing
0:27:04woman yeah but he was also one of those
0:27:06that's high acclaim literature and
0:27:08without using hard we just want to
0:27:10justify the water and its sequel was
0:27:12really hard to read to review was so
0:27:15hard that my favorite favorite favorite
0:27:16brave new world with a vengeance please
0:27:19I don't even remember our the old where
0:27:21there may be actually right now we're
0:27:24brave new world to yes the world being
0:27:26electric building a world in the blue
0:27:29electric boogaloo its all-electric moby
0:27:32dick weed is science fiction highway
0:27:35like the admin telepathic about the
0:27:38winch by that by super-intelligent by
0:27:40that a tragic you know you have reserved
0:27:43connected to 20,000 leagues under the
0:27:44sea spongebob and also sighs make sure
0:27:48there are no talking to the man is a
0:27:50sponge I did was your Jules Verne
0:27:52basically as the inventor of science
0:27:54fiction right yet essential that one
0:27:56could argue he's a time traveler because
0:27:58he really had way too much knowledge of
0:28:00the future when you wrote the book on it
0:28:01really great the future or perhaps
0:28:03everybody read the books and was like we
0:28:05need to move
0:28:06course this kind of societal that's
0:28:08that's a 4 chronological very pleasant
0:28:10pleasant work you just get passed a note
0:28:13from our studio i did and they read I
0:28:16think he was content are you contending
0:28:17the dead George George Orwell is the
0:28:19only other creator of science fiction
0:28:20because animal farm had talking animals
0:28:23i think you can just argue the george
0:28:26orwell as the the forerunner of the
0:28:28downfall of modern cinema as a result
0:28:30because if you've seen the Garfield
0:28:32movie original responsible George Orwell
0:28:34is really the Garfield sequel a tale of
0:28:36two kitties
0:28:37what has two puns in the title which is
0:28:41just because tail is really an eye out
0:28:43to Kitty and kitties
0:28:45yeah have you seen don't go to movies
0:28:47have you seen zombieland we spoiled and
0:28:49unappreciative podcast but Sebastian
0:28:51great let's line it bill murray i'm not
0:28:52going to spoil anything but i'll say
0:28:53bill murray makes a cameo appearance and
0:28:55they at one point they asked him if he
0:28:57had any regrets in his life and he says
0:28:59no well maybe car filled that isn't in
0:29:03also it has a fantastic movie star
0:29:06Garfield ya mi or tail of two kitties
0:29:08know both both on my top ten view them
0:29:11really it's one movie and have to split
0:29:13into because i was too much seriously
0:29:15one Garfield back and go back and watch
0:29:17it and hey look
0:29:19science fiction 287 secondary watch it
0:29:22Beethoven seconds like why is the 1i
0:29:25haven't had a chance yet to read this
0:29:26this article passengers by a French
0:29:29friend who sent some article about how
0:29:32the prequel the Star Wars prequels are
0:29:34actually really really awesome treasure
0:29:36we know we are now it is now the
0:29:38incomparable podcast because because
0:29:40this hour we're gonna start throwing out
0:29:42right now it was just an idea later dude
0:29:45I haven't read this article yet but it
0:29:46apparently there's this guy who really
0:29:48earnestly argues that the prequels were
0:29:50really George Lucas's finest work and
0:29:52it's just like the the self delusion
0:29:53that must go into that is just I find
0:29:55that fascinating
0:29:56well maybe he's on a type of drug that
0:29:58we just haven't discovered you and ya
0:30:00know really like drugs we were talking
0:30:03about and mom but Stephen Fry know we
0:30:06were talking about
0:30:06well find out about look at that there's
0:30:08this there's this some old movie serial
0:30:12that we're all supposed to watch for a
0:30:13future project for the uncomfortable and
0:30:15we were talking about how how that was
0:30:18it turns out that there was a show when
0:30:19kid you might have seen it these people
0:30:22are too young called cliffhangers i
0:30:23don't know if you remember that but it
0:30:25was an NBC show in the idea was it was 3
0:30:2620 minute segments in an hour and it was
0:30:28three different stories and it was maybe
0:30:31when the show began it was like part two
0:30:33of the one store in part 4 and part 5
0:30:35and then every episode had a cliffhanger
0:30:37and one of those is actually based on
0:30:39the short that we're supposed to watch
0:30:41and I and and i was talking I think
0:30:44maybe the damn about this and and he
0:30:46said well you know that was what George
0:30:47Lucas was getting at was that kind of
0:30:49we're joining the middle of the action
0:30:50with episode 4
0:30:52unfortunately he then felt compelled to
0:30:54make the first three
0:30:56I mean it went from being kind of like
0:30:57an interesting artsy like you're in the
0:31:00middle but there is no beginning and no
0:31:01ending right and then into now this is
0:31:04beginning its narrow and it's not that
0:31:06good here's a secret about beginnings
0:31:08and origin stories not really that great
0:31:11the time to previous podcast yeah like
0:31:13orange in the stories were born child
0:31:15linger into my storyboarding like
0:31:17Orangina story order is right for you
0:31:19when I'm I had a bottle of orange I grew
0:31:21up with orange julius I'd love that
0:31:23yeah that's just the guy on the street
0:31:25is even able to make time you're gonna
0:31:27you're Stephen Fry is actually this is
0:31:30the podcast which mentions even fried
0:31:32the most and never really talked to
0:31:34unify apparently built the Gutenberg
0:31:36press or replica of a couple years ago
0:31:38for a TV series about you get up
0:31:41something like that like improbable fact
0:31:43about Steven Wright you try also once
0:31:46ran around the entire world is the
0:31:48strongest and the world Stephen Stephen
0:31:50you doing the good word press
0:31:52he he i watched his thing about it yeah
0:31:54you did not only do himself clean I'm
0:31:56not original you know I mean I went back
0:31:58in to know that he was johannes
0:32:00gutenberg is cable stephen Fry's hearts
0:32:02me it wasn't you know Dan Morgan has met
0:32:05Stephen Fry I am socialist him he was a
0:32:10nice fellow I guess I'm the guy who
0:32:11doesn't make it out of here alive
0:32:13pretty much so one man is very nice
0:32:15fellows very pleasant in fact actually
0:32:16one of our friends who knows him got him
0:32:19to sign a book for me too so I got a
0:32:21nice personalized book you know he he
0:32:23wrote a doctor who episode that they
0:32:24never made a lot I don't know about that
0:32:26yeah what Russell Davis asked him to do
0:32:29a doctor who episode and apparently he
0:32:31wrote the first draft
0:32:33and it was going to cost it was going to
0:32:35be for the end of the season and it was
0:32:36going to cost a fortune much like what
0:32:37happened with neil gaiman actually and
0:32:40um and so they said well we have to
0:32:42defer this next year and and the story
0:32:44is that then they went back to Stephen
0:32:45Fry and he was like you know I don't
0:32:47have time to do another run at this it's
0:32:50like I'm on the phone with him streaming
0:32:51to TV shows and traveled to Australia
0:32:54yeah I don't have time for that yeah
0:32:55well reading the russell davies book
0:32:57about about writers tail yes my desk the
0:33:00Giants it's it costs seven thousand
0:33:03dollars to send from Seattle sometimes
0:33:04how do i wait the subtitle is how to
0:33:07procrastinate while doing a
0:33:08multimillion-dollar TV show how to write
0:33:10a book about not reading the TV show
0:33:12that you're being paid to write but one
0:33:14of the things in it there's some good
0:33:15technical detail in there it's just
0:33:16interesting if you want you know we
0:33:17watched enough TV to know about how some
0:33:19of the sci-fi steps made they talked
0:33:20about effect days which I hadn't come up
0:33:21and so he'll write a script and then it
0:33:23gets red by the production team and they
0:33:25send it to their other effects house
0:33:26will be like okay well this thing you
0:33:28want this is gonna be like 783 people
0:33:31days worth of time for affects our
0:33:33budget is for like 201 days which will
0:33:36cost index hundreds of thousands of
0:33:38dollars you have to cut you know scenes
0:33:40and actions amount here like 500 days
0:33:42worth of rendering time so that's why
0:33:44sometimes doctor who you're watching it
0:33:46and they're too long it's like we must
0:33:48make it across this gap and blow up that
0:33:50ship and whatever haha where they are
0:33:51but oh well I'm not saying that's not a
0:33:54time-honored rite like I mean you know
0:33:55there's the reason that all the Star
0:33:57Trek you know TV show episodes from town
0:33:59stages and they don't look suspicious or
0:34:01like the that one piece of California
0:34:04know like what that's a scarce right
0:34:06yeah yeah which is I great the best
0:34:08proof ever of that or the best reference
0:34:10that ever in the second film Ted movie
0:34:12yes they go there although although
0:34:13actually i would argue that the the new
0:34:15star trek reboot where they where they
0:34:17went back there to make it Vulcan was a
0:34:19great reference just like it's gotten me
0:34:21in here it's a star trek it's got
0:34:23against master i wanna I've never been
0:34:25there i want to go there sometime just
0:34:26because I corn anybody that our red
0:34:29shirt or yellow final Dorne and i'll be
0:34:31visited by the ghost of the first Slayer
0:34:33because Buffy the Vampire Slayer's
0:34:35episode where she has her dream
0:34:37obviously live and see
0:34:39long as she isn't season three was
0:34:41actually watching it now we're going to
0:34:43do a buffy retrospective win with that
0:34:45night when you actually I think she's in
0:34:47three it's um yeah that's right spoiler
0:34:49spoiler alert for the show that was off
0:34:51the air in 2003 but I think that's ok
0:34:54it's my fault it's okay it's okay it is
0:34:56my favorite TV show all she was young I
0:34:58was Amish between the two so classic
0:35:00well its got a silly title for the best
0:35:02show ever but it is that it was on upn I
0:35:05mean was on me before that only the two
0:35:08bad years yeah and yeah yeah but the
0:35:10person who has not seen it is arguing
0:35:12with the two guys who came it was
0:35:13reading wikipedia first five years were
0:35:15on the WB and then removed it for the
0:35:17last two disappointing was it before or
0:35:19after show was an APM slaughter 9 p.m.
0:35:21slot that is way too
0:35:23it was wasn't it was it was a 9 p.m.
0:35:25slot for most of it or then if i make no
0:35:28always probably past my bedtime
0:35:29no it was an ATM someone because angel
0:35:31was on a toughy
0:35:33ok it was still on WB that did not let
0:35:36never ever left down now your places
0:35:39like the swerve easiest podcast ever
0:35:41issued work we'd only been drinking
0:35:43would have a much more sense
0:35:44ya know we've already men that are all I
0:35:46think something called all the oregon i
0:35:48recommend our listeners drink before I
0:35:51think you put a recipe at the outset of
0:35:53this please pour your job bro martini
0:35:55but this is the incomparable after dark
0:35:59that was not much longer now you know
0:36:00locked in a room
0:36:02Stephen Fry no longer live TV show
0:36:04called a bit of fry and laurie at the
0:36:05end of each other with your glory to
0:36:07glory he has done your house and someone
0:36:09already one of America's finest actors
0:36:11and please sing it's lovely
0:36:13anybody have been imitating trumpet very
0:36:15convincing yes and they always serve a
0:36:17drink what should we order for the drink
0:36:18as well have the hat tricks like are you
0:36:20take three pounds of dried ice shavings
0:36:23and arsenic mix them together and Shake
0:36:26and Shake swell mr. music plays and
0:36:29that's what I cannot believe that you
0:36:30brought it around to stephen fry again
0:36:32there that is my witness protection plan
0:36:35i am amazed by that know it's funny you
0:36:37mention the doctor who special effects
0:36:38and I was just watching the one of the
0:36:42just watching a commentary tracks of the
0:36:45fifth season of doctor who and there's
0:36:46actually a shot that uh it's in the the
0:36:50weeping angels episode where where
0:36:52there's
0:36:52the the charges follows the spaceship
0:36:54and the spaceship zooms off in the
0:36:56TARDIS follows it and a funny thing
0:36:57happened Steven Moffat said you know
0:36:59that wasn't in the script and the guys
0:37:01at the special effects house wanted so
0:37:03badly to have the zooming spaceship and
0:37:05the tarts doing it they just made it for
0:37:07free so so occasionally you'll pick up
0:37:09some some rendering time because the
0:37:11guys will be like no this is too cool we
0:37:12cannot do this is just to have Doctor
0:37:15Who geeks work on your show and then
0:37:17knock out all the good stuff and make
0:37:19them render the bad stuff and then to in
0:37:21order to keep themselves alive they'll
0:37:23just forcibly rendered and don't pay
0:37:24them and dont and dont thats how i
0:37:27operated and when I was independent
0:37:29films i think that's how the BBC works
0:37:30basically at this point that explains it
0:37:33alright so Stephen Fry brave new world
0:37:34Ray Bradbury I think we've had names
0:37:37bond all the glorious solaris Sean
0:37:40Connery laughlin befriended we mentioned
0:37:42that already
0:37:43I and Alan with these all in a shaker
0:37:45well mix well serve searcher serve 12
0:37:49chilled over ice
0:37:51so the pound of lemon right and I MN
0:37:53garnish with buffy the vampire slayer
0:37:55all lemons which is what's what's your
0:37:58what's your favorite TV show of all time
0:38:00you have won a television show of all
0:38:01time could God actually okay yeah you
0:38:05got you know I would probably go with
0:38:07them actually a great show that is in
0:38:09and of itself not science fiction but
0:38:11it's sort of an homage to its paste I
0:38:13knew you were gonna say that
0:38:14sports night is a close second sports
0:38:16nice and space mountain but it's again a
0:38:19second so so we taking my top to do you
0:38:21feel this with sports and as I feel with
0:38:23Buffy that I sort of love it despite the
0:38:25fact that in at the end it was good
0:38:27because I don't honor it season of
0:38:29sports know there's only 20 to start
0:38:30season 2i thought it seemed like three
0:38:32because the second season was so bad up
0:38:35there are there are some downsides of
0:38:36the second season in terms of plot lines
0:38:38but the writing is still good though the
0:38:40rating in the characters are still like
0:38:41although I thought the second season
0:38:42really miss of sports night really
0:38:44misused the women characters and made
0:38:47them more kind of broad and chriqui and
0:38:49i would agree to a certain extent but i
0:38:51think i was so glad to have the laugh
0:38:53track on from sports night / levels also
0:38:55there are fantastic
0:38:57I mean you have william h macy nada arc
0:38:59which is he's great well you know his
0:39:02wife's on the show yeah well
0:39:03me and I'm very dynamic like they did I
0:39:05have good chemistry for America the
0:39:07dialogue sparkle so that's great but
0:39:09space space i think with again which is
0:39:11an interactive hey simon pegg Jessica
0:39:13Hynes nay Stephenson and directed by
0:39:16edgar wright and of course right and
0:39:19Pegg and Nick Frost went on to make
0:39:21shaun of the dead
0:39:22uh-huhs and the forthcoming at some
0:39:26point third part of what they call I
0:39:28believe that that grouping will be
0:39:29called the blood and ice cream trilogy
0:39:30they have said which has no particular
0:39:33you know there is no thread between them
0:39:35other than they thought wouldn't it be
0:39:36cool to make a zombie movie wouldn't be
0:39:38cool to make like a cop action movie and
0:39:40I think the third one is like a doomsday
0:39:41movie of some kind sometimes someday
0:39:43eventually led zeppelin's but space is
0:39:46based if the best part of it is if you
0:39:48manage to get four years I just had the
0:39:50the region to British dvds because i got
0:39:52i got into the show was still airing
0:39:54because i was living in the UK at the
0:39:55time my friends like you have to see
0:39:57this show and I was like alright yeah i
0:39:59mean ok so i started watching it and I
0:40:01was hooked within an episode and went
0:40:03back and got like the first season of it
0:40:04wash all of it but the the best feature
0:40:08on the dvds is they have an homage
0:40:10ometer which you turn on its a subtitle
0:40:12track that tells you what all the
0:40:14references are 20 and its fans I mean
0:40:17there's a lot i only get about half and
0:40:19that's on the region 1 DVD i believe
0:40:21that is now on they went back because
0:40:22originally was a feature on the second
0:40:24series dvds and then when they made the
0:40:25box set of the whole different way back
0:40:27and be one of the first the same things
0:40:29on shot our I'm not Sean did on Scott
0:40:32Pilgrim Edgar Wright's for third third
0:40:35third film
0:40:36yeah yes that points out all of the in
0:40:39joke references in that film as well I
0:40:42that's a good thought of my favorite TV
0:40:44series
0:40:44what's your favorite TV show we're out
0:40:45of it is going to be the happy little
0:40:46trees guy don't know the oil dating show
0:40:48only the stream that's great that would
0:40:51be awesome it's like I like the happy
0:40:52little tree i will try to pick a lightly
0:40:54oiled advanced deposit-taking I think
0:40:57you should let me hard the funky phantom
0:40:58yes
0:41:00gpo Sharkey started on wrinkles harsh
0:41:02realm the failed chris carter series
0:41:05after the xbox you don't I really liked
0:41:06her Hitchcock had a terrible file also
0:41:08good pilot was bad but no Terry O'Quinn
0:41:11is like a banana republic city area
0:41:13original reality right that's awesome i
0:41:15love that show that was that was on your
0:41:17way to make it to be swinging your ID be
0:41:19swinging oh my god sorry time between
0:41:22rockford files and smack the pony really
0:41:25i would say rockford that's what i meant
0:41:26those are married anyway I don't know
0:41:28what smack the city really jeopardy show
0:41:30incredibly funny british sketch coca
0:41:33show you have to say it like I see it
0:41:34was like a the female heir to my python
0:41:39it was extremely absurd as they were
0:41:41skits with no connecting material is
0:41:43very talented honor
0:41:44Sarah Alexander from couple oh I believe
0:41:47the islets i think is not who is this is
0:41:50Alan knows a blunt Susan Susan is that
0:41:53Sarah's and Chester exactly yes on that
0:41:55she was a featured player there are
0:41:57three main actions whose names i could
0:41:59not tell you they show up all over the
0:42:00place one was in clatter for this great
0:42:02short-run british TV series created by
0:42:04the woman behind absolutely fabulous
0:42:07jennifer saunders Jennifer Saunders who
0:42:09if you start talking to jennifer
0:42:10saunders she connects to all other
0:42:12British total including here and there
0:42:14is a all connected they all contribute
0:42:16she's like she's a lot that's my wife
0:42:18and I joke there are only 10 actors in
0:42:19the UK so when you see it may be seeing
0:42:21you okay it's like they're all in harry
0:42:24potter we're gonna ask you all the young
0:42:25that was that at one point many of these
0:42:27are the ones you go back and watch the
0:42:30episode no man young ones also favored
0:42:32you like watch the young ones you see
0:42:33all these British actors who grew up and
0:42:35do other things and they're all in there
0:42:36and cameos that I could actually spend
0:42:38an entire podcast is talking about my
0:42:40favorite TV shows including pretty sure
0:42:41to be a future show rocks rocker files
0:42:44smack the pony rock the fuck rockford
0:42:45files in my dad's favorite TV show and
0:42:47it is and we're going back and watching
0:42:48it it is a great show and they try to
0:42:51remake it and it had a pilot with Dermot
0:42:53Mulroney i think yeah and it was a total
0:42:55flop and they didn't pick it up but
0:42:56there's a rumor that they're trying to
0:42:58reread it that and and what everybody
0:43:01wants to do is cast josh holloway who
0:43:04was Sawyer on lost
0:43:06oh and you know what watching him on
0:43:08lost especially when he did his like
0:43:10Dharma Initiative jumpsuit kind of
0:43:12persona he's going to flare Jim Leffler
0:43:14yeah he is the right guy to be Jim
0:43:17Rockford he is cool and he's kind of
0:43:19laid-back and and that what you want
0:43:21that was what was great about James
0:43:23Garner's as rockford theme song to
0:43:25Rockford Files
0:43:26what's playing is it a movie was what
0:43:28plays the theme song wasn't already
0:43:30synthesized my clothes standing on your
0:43:33nose right yeah Mike post-its but the
0:43:35man who run us all of those things
0:43:36posted brothers yeah everything's yeah
0:43:39alright that's a good one of those are
0:43:41great thank you
0:43:42that's a great well done job well done
0:43:43glad you like I saved myself redeem
0:43:46myself at the end that's right we won't
0:43:47kill you now it'll just will just slowly
0:43:49suffocate the shower games tonight Red
0:43:52you have a you have a my point is they
0:43:55go back and forth between sports night
0:43:57and space to but yeah I know that's the
0:43:59fault me speaking last fortnight sports
0:44:02night I think remains my my all-time
0:44:04favorite just because
0:44:05yes the as a television show it had its
0:44:09flaws but i love the characters and the
0:44:11beautiful thing about sports night is
0:44:13there's a quote for every occasion
0:44:14writer in I mean there's not very many
0:44:18television shows that I mean who only
0:44:19run for two seasons but for by large x
0:44:22large for any situation that I've been
0:44:25in my life to date there's a sports
0:44:27night quote and it's always funny and
0:44:30you know there's the characters are just
0:44:32fantastic
0:44:33I as you know i read i have two degrees
0:44:34of separation Josh Malina have been in
0:44:36the same room with him you or was it a
0:44:39set a room i'm like a stream that was
0:44:40looking to get it yet but had I would
0:44:42have you met you before i was hanging on
0:44:44i have already met Rick Moranis it's
0:44:47time to transplant but cannot ride by
0:44:50you know interesting thing i was
0:44:52actually making a list of my favorite
0:44:54television shows and television shows i
0:44:57need to watch a couple games ago yeah
0:44:59well no because I had a huge I had a
0:45:01huge Luke I keep trying a man top five
0:45:03list in my calendar whatever fine that's
0:45:06your friend of mine was asking me what
0:45:08my top five television shows were and i
0:45:10went i was like sports night spaced west
0:45:13wing and i stopped at three and aaron
0:45:15sorkin yeah well I've only a little bit
0:45:17like girls but no I mean anti Josh
0:45:21breathing heavily gunshots fired i
0:45:23realized that i had to split up into two
0:45:25categories at one point because there
0:45:27are best overall television shows and
0:45:29then there are best seasons where the
0:45:32overall series is terrible but
0:45:34specifically can make an entire list
0:45:36that's just top like top 10
0:45:39and TV shows that were cancelled before
0:45:41Sally would not make suggestions to get
0:45:43your ID Castile say there's there's a
0:45:45great book called what happened to the
0:45:47Hall of Fame i think i'm going to
0:45:48mention this before i'm not sure why I'm
0:45:50by Bill James the man who invented for
0:45:53baseball statistical analysis ne ne ne
0:45:56is that one or it and then he did the
0:45:59historical baseball abstract and he has
0:46:00this concept of theirs theirs career
0:46:03value and peak value and it's true when
0:46:06you're judging a baseball player
0:46:06hall-of-famer are the Hall of Famer not
0:46:08that's the question is do you pick the
0:46:10overall like career that's like well
0:46:13over 20 years he was really good or do
0:46:15you say well he only played for 15 years
0:46:17and he was really kind of mediocre for
0:46:19for some of it but when he was good he
0:46:21was fantastic and it's TV shows are
0:46:23sometimes like that to wear yeah you
0:46:25know like buffy is my favorite show of
0:46:26all time but the fact is if they had
0:46:28made the last two years I'd be okay with
0:46:30my wife and we're huge fans of that 70
0:46:32show is very very funny it was you know
0:46:34as our childhood it was great and so I
0:46:36are my childhood is right in this room
0:46:38and I campsite and I've never the oldest
0:46:41man in the room but today I the but it's
0:46:45always great show for the first few
0:46:46seasons we turn on whatever the last
0:46:47season of myself that study shows on
0:46:49when i started watching her like did
0:46:51they kill all the writers would you know
0:46:53after the actors are standing and
0:46:55they're moving like marionettes their
0:46:57accounts happens usually harder i think
0:46:58the drama's because there's the writing
0:47:00staff changes land and also just because
0:47:02Kanye's like it's hard to laughs and you
0:47:04you have a certain set of characters and
0:47:05you play out all the scenarios right and
0:47:08so it also many shows you know basically
0:47:10jumped the shark because you you get
0:47:12them into more and more far-fetched
0:47:13scenario someone more community when
0:47:16morgandy got promoted Jonathan winters
0:47:19came as they had a bad yeah there's
0:47:21always this horrific i mean there's
0:47:22always the the annoying neighbor next
0:47:23door problem which in what's funny is
0:47:25you can tell by the this there's always
0:47:27an annoying neighbor next door and some
0:47:29point but sometimes you know there's
0:47:31some shows you've watched where the
0:47:32annoying neighbor next door is on the
0:47:33first episode it's a great sign of doom
0:47:35yeah the other Bob Newhart's third
0:47:37sitcom for instance one where he's a
0:47:38cartoonist annoying neighbor i think it
0:47:41was a neighborhood the annoying
0:47:42character was in the first episode I
0:47:43don't like the last did not television
0:47:45shows where the annoying character so
0:47:47slowly gets redeemed over a series of
0:47:48episodes though in the end and then
0:47:51there's the fourth season of coupling
0:47:52with
0:47:52so should never be as a force in this
0:47:55podcast or know his identity matrix
0:47:58sequels in public anyway my smile my
0:48:00point is that is that I I really agree
0:48:03with you that you have to balance the
0:48:05list of like the ones that really when
0:48:07they hit it were at the end I don't I if
0:48:09you make one list you just have to
0:48:11figure out how to balance those things
0:48:12so for me I I've got I've got Buffy at
0:48:14Number 17 years five of which i think
0:48:17we're kind of peak value in the last two
0:48:19that musical episode was great but
0:48:20otherwise he actually not to spoil it
0:48:22for everybody but the end of the fifth
0:48:24year has a really nice endpoint that
0:48:27actually would have been a good way to
0:48:28end the show and then they went to upn
0:48:30into two more years by my number to show
0:48:33which for a long time was the number one
0:48:34shows max headroom and that's to show
0:48:36the last 12 episodes and what that's
0:48:38easier you know I'm always right because
0:48:39they burn out before they were like fire
0:48:41board when p is wonderful having a great
0:48:45year and an enema really falling apart
0:48:48here one of my favorite shows of recent
0:48:49years another great show with that is
0:48:51like half of knowledge is a show
0:48:53no not very appreciate you called the
0:48:56middleman middlemen scramble and that
0:48:58was like 10 episode yeah and it's but
0:49:00it's fantastic and it's great and it's
0:49:02this huge like sci-fi reference show
0:49:04everything in there it like every
0:49:06episode is a joke about some aspect of
0:49:08science fiction every single one and now
0:49:10Natalie Morales with right now on parks
0:49:13and recreation which is also great yes
0:49:15and she is yeah she I don't know why
0:49:17she's not in more things he is extremely
0:49:19important because she actually declared
0:49:21that on Twitter the other day and she
0:49:22wrote me back and she said thank you
0:49:23cause I was like why is Natalie Morales
0:49:26not in more stop universal her on Parks
0:49:29and Rec universal after universal actor
0:49:31responses please talk to my agent and
0:49:33all producer what she was she was on
0:49:34this huge kick for why follow her on
0:49:36twitter for a while we had we had one or
0:49:37two conversations but she was a huge
0:49:38kick to try and get on Doctor Who when
0:49:40they have yeah like and she was like
0:49:42like hammering in on twitter because she
0:49:44is a huge doctor who fan no idea she's
0:49:47she's really gonna get the guy Matt
0:49:49Besler yeah his dad Lee's he was perfect
0:49:51for that role in any place he plays
0:49:52villains a lot and and I Simon something
0:49:55working on Ellen and a write-in might
0:49:56wonder why wait
0:49:58little man no because he's the perfect
0:50:01clean-cut all-american boys out and like
0:50:03you can't have him play the bad guy that
0:50:05was a great show it was a traditional on
0:50:07the wrong network with a Tracy family
0:50:09and one of my favorite guest starring of
0:50:11that show was Kevin Sorbo always the
0:50:14oldest replaced the former middleman in
0:50:17from the sixties like the sweet like so
0:50:19it's like basically the idea of the
0:50:20power he's a guy like you know the
0:50:22middleman is the guy who liked deals
0:50:23with all the like aliens and zombies and
0:50:26werewolves and demons and all of that
0:50:28he's the one guy and so there's always
0:50:30one it's like passed down and and kevin
0:50:32sorbo plays the older middleman from the
0:50:34sixties who had been like cryogenically
0:50:36frozen so that he could come back and
0:50:37fight his own is like archenemy and of
0:50:40course he plays like he's got like the
0:50:41swinging bachelor pad and like this
0:50:43great like Blazer he's wearing and he's
0:50:45just he's great and its orbit very
0:50:48self-aware cheeseball
0:50:50okies green marbles and his care
0:50:51Andromeda was one of my favorite guilty
0:50:53pleasures growing like watching on
0:50:55saturday so gene roddenberry's Andrew
0:50:57yes I tried to want you know i watched a
0:50:59lot of the first season that was
0:51:01actually not too bad and the idea you
0:51:03know that what was interesting about
0:51:04that show I can't believe we've gotten
0:51:05to this to the point where we're talking
0:51:07about gene roddenberry's Andromeda here
0:51:08but the interesting thing about that
0:51:09show was if you view it as a coded kind
0:51:12of armed response to star trek as an
0:51:15anti star trek because the whole premise
0:51:17is basically there's a guy he's a
0:51:19starship captain he's the United
0:51:21Federation of Planets he's going around
0:51:22from planet to planet to stitch
0:51:24everything together and they're happy
0:51:25they're happy organization and then he
0:51:27gets too close to a black hole goes
0:51:30ahead and time like a thousand years and
0:51:32when he reemerges all civilizations have
0:51:35been destroyed and everybody's at war
0:51:37and he's a man out of time and all of
0:51:39the people he knew were dead but it's
0:51:41not it's worse than that the whole
0:51:42Federation has like a couple hours on a
0:51:44pen and he's too he's kinda screwed and
0:51:47because it is this great anti star trek
0:51:50and then it got really cheesy I would
0:51:52actually say I actually kind of dug his
0:51:55other the other gene roddenberry show
0:51:57after his I think posterous which is
0:51:58Earth final conflict which is kind of a
0:52:00cheesy show but if you view again with
0:52:03syndicated comic and drama but if you'd
0:52:05like the first season is it has won the
0:52:07most interesting things because they
0:52:08kind of kill off the main character then
0:52:09but it's basically it takes place in
0:52:11like modern
0:52:12day and aliens basically it showed up on
0:52:14earth and like ostensibly it's kind of
0:52:16like that with the androids no no it's
0:52:18kinda a little bit of a viene tu nerdy
0:52:21lighting in there aliens here and
0:52:23they're kind of like maintaining like oh
0:52:24we're nice and happy and here to help
0:52:26well but like they have an agenda but
0:52:28it's better than course they have a
0:52:29letter that gene roddenberry's earth
0:52:31final haha anyways other planets
0:52:34beginning of Earth I thought that was
0:52:35asked on an interesting show and had
0:52:37some interesting dynamics is any of the
0:52:39short it was short on TV series is
0:52:40confusing that with earth to the not
0:52:43earth to earth to Wow
0:52:44there we go well I can still smell it
0:52:46from here holy cow you Steven Spielberg
0:52:49ok so we're working fern is Right cast
0:52:51will never be over
0:52:52what will be but will use up all our
0:52:54topics forever 21
0:52:56well yes well it's live with the oxygen
0:52:58with this is you know you know in the
0:53:00future there will be a pill that is
0:53:02constant in concert your entire meal an
0:53:04entire stake will appear in this tiny
0:53:06people
0:53:06well that's this podcast if they
0:53:07concentrated it's like a month's worth
0:53:09of podcast jam together into one
0:53:12inedible pill i have my one by one dies
0:53:15of your head
0:53:16this is why we can't have more than two
0:53:19members of the incomparable in the same
0:53:21room with each others butts back at any
0:53:22one time experiential is what being in a
0:53:24room with us is like on a regular basis
0:53:26for the report yet they would pick 12
0:53:29hours they will feature Scott making all
0:53:30these sitting in the corner just going
0:53:31to hate you
0:53:32how come how come our level of using a
0:53:34collection of 53 killed our readers
0:53:36completely occupied students build you
0:53:38mentioned earth to Steven Spielberg is
0:53:40like the guy who can't make a good TV
0:53:42show isn't he yeah he keep comes in he
0:53:44brings his money and he doesnt sit well
0:53:46yes I put his name on all remember see
0:53:48there's real work presents taken dear
0:53:50yeah that's that was like the 12-hour
0:53:52sci-fi miniseries wearing nothing
0:53:53happens
0:53:54although that's my favorite part of it
0:53:55was air right before Christmas and you
0:53:57could very easily read the name of the
0:53:59show and and miss read it is that Steven
0:54:01Spielberg's presence were taken 10
0:54:04Hanukkah for you sir
0:54:05no no present for you to be here he's
0:54:08got a show coming out
0:54:09well it's a turnover we should have too
0:54:12much turnover which is getting ugly
0:54:13treatment on fox which is there showing
0:54:15that it's a musical their privacy yes
0:54:17you are dinosaur alternative do I would
0:54:20watch that and you know
0:54:21dying or a cop Rock i maintain was well
0:54:23ahead of its time it's it's yes but
0:54:26thank you you get points for every only
0:54:28I was awarding points to win
0:54:30Bob Terranova to tote Terranova is is a
0:54:34premiering in May and they're not
0:54:36showing any more episodes until the fall
0:54:37but it is this like you just love that
0:54:40that's always a sign of good right like
0:54:41it works out because nobody will believe
0:54:44that's the thing is it worked for the
0:54:45way they did the first episode it became
0:54:47a phenomenon people like we're really
0:54:48stoked and so when it came back
0:54:50everybody already wanted to see it and
0:54:51it works so they're going to try it
0:54:53again it's like the you're right you'd
0:54:54think they were kind of burning it off
0:54:55but but they actually want to build a
0:54:58buzz around it so i hope the pilots good
0:55:00at the dinosaur is gonna be created for
0:55:02the air
0:55:03I think I mean my favorite story about
0:55:05that ever it remains David Lindelof of
0:55:09lost somebody asked him what it does it
0:55:12freak you out with my number three show
0:55:13i think that does it freak you out that
0:55:16people are this was before lost had
0:55:18started to air like it he was sort of
0:55:19you know airing in the in this in the
0:55:21fall and someone asked him does it freak
0:55:23you out there are already petitions to
0:55:26save your shirt for air and he said you
0:55:30know I'd like to flip that on its head
0:55:32like they should have petitions to kill
0:55:34off shows that have been around too long
0:55:35life if they did this is actual I don't
0:55:38think I'm forbade him cool but he says
0:55:39he said if there are a petition to kill
0:55:41seventh heaven i would sign back i know
0:55:45it's just funny that he gets this has
0:55:47this kind of cloud and yet the show's
0:55:49this shows that he has made have all
0:55:52been like high-profile hot big budget
0:55:55and I mean when you're Steven Spielberg
0:55:56you put your name on a lot of things and
0:55:58a lot of breakfast cereal well right rat
0:56:01poison was really strapped poison
0:56:03crunchy Lord's greatest threat was no
0:56:05there was a really called young sherlock
0:56:06holmes yes and many famous for its size
0:56:10likely yes first always personally
0:56:13reanimates is that the guy comes out the
0:56:15stained glass and oh yeah in fact my
0:56:17that movie trailer that crap out of
0:56:19music and my little house mates thesis
0:56:21advisor was the guy who is responsible
0:56:23for do you know people i do everything I
0:56:25do I'm two degrees away from everyone in
0:56:27this room degrees accomplishment but i
0:56:29don't know you but I know people who
0:56:30know you thats that's terrifying steam
0:56:32for everyone else to Steve
0:56:33fri is a lovely lovely felt like to
0:56:37dedicate this podcast to the memory of i
0:56:39would like to know I never drips with
0:56:40you I'd like to you know I like and
0:56:42respect Stephen Fry enough that I hope
0:56:44he never listens this next song that is
0:56:48so anybody have occasional world where
0:56:50one man that covers the subject of a
0:56:53whenever podcast that seems like two out
0:56:56but is only one time dilation and will
0:56:58affect your claim to write you letters
0:56:59friends i write this is gonna be a dial
0:57:02tone a spoiler warning
0:57:04ok that's all that's it nothing but a
0:57:07dial tone in a spoiler horny be it
0:57:10spoiler warnings on the way down
0:57:12well dear listener you've squandered
0:57:14another perfectly good our listeners
0:57:16dear lord dear dear listener i like that
0:57:18it implies that there's only one
0:57:20yes dear are so listener as we know from
0:57:23Scotland nobody not even his wife listen
0:57:25to this podcast now well good looking my
0:57:27way that's not Leslie no no
0:57:30so dear listeners hot plural all both of
0:57:33you count yourself lucky you weren't
0:57:35here while we recorded that we apply on
0:57:38this wall yes a dead fly flies didn't
0:57:41even make it out this is what it's like
0:57:43when you get us all together boy was
0:57:45this a good idea until next time for Dan
0:57:48more'n thanks to say something died
0:57:51sorry you're welcome our guest is no
0:57:52hope
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0:57:58Caldwell's sports night forever for our
0:58:01audience our audience Thank You audience
0:58:03thank you have any pieces waving their
0:58:06works great on apply SS until next time
0:58:09this is jason snow thanking stephen fry
0:58:12good night Stephen Fry wherever you are