The Incomparable

21: Event Crisis


00:00:00   the incomparable contest number 21 [TS]

00:00:09   Tom a club for january 2011 back on the [TS]

00:00:17   uncomfortable podcast and conquer club [TS]

00:00:20   is back in session yeah it's been awhile [TS]

00:00:23   some things have happened one of our [TS]

00:00:24   panelists had a baby you see these [TS]

00:00:27   things happen not in comic books they're [TS]

00:00:29   very rarely people that should be a [TS]

00:00:31   topic babies comic books different you [TS]

00:00:33   know I don't like to say about that now [TS]

00:00:35   because I've got a lot of time to think [TS]

00:00:36   about it because I bet you have [TS]

00:00:38   I bet you have we should that would [TS]

00:00:40   actually be a great well maybe we'll [TS]

00:00:41   talk about that later maybe maybe we'll [TS]

00:00:43   talk about it sooner depends how [TS]

00:00:44   desperate we are [TS]

00:00:45   anyway i'm jason l i'm your host and [TS]

00:00:48   joining me today in the comic book club [TS]

00:00:49   as always our jason reitman hey and Lisa [TS]

00:00:53   Schmeisser there [TS]

00:00:54   congratulations on your baby thank you [TS]

00:00:57   uh so our topic today is events and and [TS]

00:01:02   my my first exposure to events in [TS]

00:01:05   comic-book land what we not like events [TS]

00:01:07   that occur because events occur [TS]

00:01:09   hopefully if you're lucky at every comic [TS]

00:01:10   book other than some decompression kind [TS]

00:01:13   of comics like brian michael bendis [TS]

00:01:15   rights where this just dialogue in no [TS]

00:01:17   event which I like but there's no event [TS]

00:01:19   happening i'm talking about big events [TS]

00:01:20   the first of which that I experienced [TS]

00:01:23   was the secret Wars Marvel in the [TS]

00:01:26   eighties which was kind of unfulfilled [TS]

00:01:30   it was much hyped and very exciting and [TS]

00:01:32   everybody bought it and in the end sort [TS]

00:01:34   of didn't really change anything except [TS]

00:01:36   spider-man's costume and and it wasn't [TS]

00:01:38   that interesting and it was a letdown [TS]

00:01:40   and funny i think that pretty much sums [TS]

00:01:44   up events and shit wrong with it it [TS]

00:01:46   changed everything alright tell me tell [TS]

00:01:49   me why secret words changed everything [TS]

00:01:51   just don't want to hear this [TS]

00:01:52   aside from spider-man's costume that [TS]

00:01:55   spider-man's costume actually led to the [TS]

00:01:57   one of the creations of the only [TS]

00:01:58   villains in the last what 20 years that [TS]

00:02:01   has had any staying power which is venom [TS]

00:02:04   which is venom which is not one of my [TS]

00:02:06   favorites got to say right all right but [TS]

00:02:08   you have to give him credit for when you [TS]

00:02:09   say what villain has been created the [TS]

00:02:11   last 20 years [TS]

00:02:12   no not dr. do not [TS]

00:02:13   yeah it's no you're right them the it at [TS]

00:02:17   magneto became a good guy [TS]

00:02:20   yeah yeah and damaged implications that [TS]

00:02:23   still you know now using rubber rates [TS]

00:02:25   across the books though that's what I'm [TS]

00:02:27   saying and all right [TS]

00:02:30   ok so so here's my first question then [TS]

00:02:32   for you guys is well just dive right in [TS]

00:02:34   here [TS]

00:02:35   events are events about changing the [TS]

00:02:39   world and setting off on new stories [TS]

00:02:42   outside the event or they about telling [TS]

00:02:43   good stories because what you're saying [TS]

00:02:45   is is my respect your false choices and [TS]

00:02:48   I set up the third pitch of events [TS]

00:02:49   prepare our events about boosting sales [TS]

00:02:51   across all title i completely over a [TS]

00:02:53   hundred percent with Lisa alright the [TS]

00:02:55   chicken location so so so number one so [TS]

00:02:58   when we're talking about events you know [TS]

00:02:59   crisis on infinite earths and all other [TS]

00:03:03   crises that far usually that changed far [TS]

00:03:06   more and had implications well into [TS]

00:03:10   today it's still scream continuity even [TS]

00:03:13   into today I'm well known to this day I [TS]

00:03:15   have no idea where cover girl came from [TS]

00:03:17   because birthday [TS]

00:03:19   oh my god that help our groceries a few [TS]

00:03:21   years ago where they tried to reboot her [TS]

00:03:23   origin [TS]

00:03:24   yes you are getting into the deep bow [TS]

00:03:26   which item which is one of the issues [TS]

00:03:28   with these events because a lot of the I [TS]

00:03:30   mean I would actually argue the [TS]

00:03:31   difference between secret wars in crisis [TS]

00:03:33   will both of which i bought is that [TS]

00:03:34   secret wars was a sort of a story like [TS]

00:03:37   contest of Champions which was [TS]

00:03:38   essentially the model which was this [TS]

00:03:40   like three issue really cool Marvel [TS]

00:03:42   miniseries it was it was a what if we [TS]

00:03:46   put everybody together and they fought [TS]

00:03:47   kind of crossover thing right crisis [TS]

00:03:50   Crisis was like that the crisis was also [TS]

00:03:52   all about kind of like continuity in the [TS]

00:03:54   universe and and the challenge with that [TS]

00:03:56   is that it you know some people are [TS]

00:03:58   really excited about continuity in the [TS]

00:04:00   universe and other people are not tear [TS]

00:04:02   but so for the debt crisis was about [TS]

00:04:04   solving a problem the DC universe had [TS]

00:04:07   mainly the continuity was so screwed up [TS]

00:04:09   after so many years and for the ones who [TS]

00:04:12   didn't care about that they threw in the [TS]

00:04:14   death of Supergirl right and the pitch a [TS]

00:04:17   classic cover classic cover the Secret [TS]

00:04:20   Wars was not trying to solve a problem [TS]

00:04:22   it was five and sale of them too [TS]

00:04:26   try to generate revenue and it was [TS]

00:04:27   actually my understanding is it was done [TS]

00:04:32   at the request of mattel because they [TS]

00:04:37   are creating a Marvel toy line and they [TS]

00:04:39   wanted something to push the Twilight [TS]

00:04:42   Twilight and some coherence they created [TS]

00:04:44   secret wars and you had the Secret Wars [TS]

00:04:46   toy line so it was it was a comic book [TS]

00:04:49   to push action figures [TS]

00:04:51   wow wow [TS]

00:04:54   as opposed to microns haha thank you [TS]

00:04:57   Lisa for making our obligatory and my [TS]

00:04:59   ground reference to the comic book that [TS]

00:05:02   survived past its product that it was [TS]

00:05:04   preparing strange yeah [TS]

00:05:05   in that case the product came first the [TS]

00:05:07   survivor's guilt yes but in this case it [TS]

00:05:09   was the product and marketing well I [TS]

00:05:10   mean the fact is events are about [TS]

00:05:13   lifting sales there's no doubt about it [TS]

00:05:15   one of the complexities of events secret [TS]

00:05:18   wars was interesting in that it its [TS]

00:05:20   impact really was in its own story and [TS]

00:05:23   in all the other books you saw everybody [TS]

00:05:25   leave and then everybody came back and [TS]

00:05:28   your left to wonder what happened while [TS]

00:05:29   they were gone the modern event like [TS]

00:05:33   your civil war or your mother or your [TS]

00:05:36   what are the green matters is the [TS]

00:05:38   blackest night and brightest day but [TS]

00:05:41   yeah I think they brought in my black [TS]

00:05:43   lanterns and red lanterns and applause [TS]

00:05:45   as I believe came up on a previous [TS]

00:05:47   podcast the big reveal their is there [TS]

00:05:49   are other colors in the spectrum boom [TS]

00:05:51   shocking secrets been kept from us that [TS]

00:05:53   there are other colors and sizes but [TS]

00:05:54   those are all about like lots of books [TS]

00:05:56   and then it gets really confusing [TS]

00:05:58   because it's like it's it's a it's now [TS]

00:06:00   designed not just some more copies of [TS]

00:06:01   this new thing but it's to sell [TS]

00:06:03   individual issues of a huge smattering [TS]

00:06:06   of rats and it's it's it's the only [TS]

00:06:08   crossover itself or the event sells [TS]

00:06:11   really well and then you put the event [TS]

00:06:12   logo on another book that may or may not [TS]

00:06:14   have anything to do with the event and [TS]

00:06:16   it sells really well and you know the [TS]

00:06:18   first thing to do that one of the big [TS]

00:06:20   events that came right after secret wars [TS]

00:06:22   or just couple years down the road from [TS]

00:06:23   Secret Wars was the mutant massacre [TS]

00:06:26   yes which took place in the three main [TS]

00:06:28   x-men titles of the time x-men x factor [TS]

00:06:30   and mutants and then they threw in two [TS]

00:06:33   issues of it and Thor and one in power [TS]

00:06:35   pack and going to hold those sales went [TS]

00:06:38   way [TS]

00:06:38   and they went huh you can so i can [TS]

00:06:42   finally sell power past year later [TS]

00:06:44   literal year later because usually the [TS]

00:06:46   events in the old days happened in the [TS]

00:06:47   fall [TS]

00:06:48   a year later came inferno also driven by [TS]

00:06:50   the x-men titles and that crossed over [TS]

00:06:54   into 32 other books from daredevil to [TS]

00:06:58   wow power pack when I still they still [TS]

00:07:00   do things like that comes back before [TS]

00:07:01   they began collapsing x-men titles when [TS]

00:07:03   they did the house of an event [TS]

00:07:05   everybody got involved even down to [TS]

00:07:07   Captain America [TS]

00:07:09   yep and Captain America has nothing to [TS]

00:07:11   do with the ex I mean aside from the gut [TS]

00:07:13   adventures tie-in but they had a whole [TS]

00:07:15   special issue what would have happened [TS]

00:07:17   if house event more real and fans [TS]

00:07:19   complain and complain complain yet [TS]

00:07:22   everybody anyway I it anyway so I'm [TS]

00:07:24   gonna just keep doing it and and I one [TS]

00:07:26   of the nice things about the the [TS]

00:07:27   revolution in having trade paperbacks [TS]

00:07:29   and hardcovers for people who are less [TS]

00:07:31   hardcore about collecting the the the [TS]

00:07:34   monthly pamphlets me is that they can [TS]

00:07:37   collect those stories and yeah and it [TS]

00:07:39   makes more sense so it's so in some ways [TS]

00:07:41   even though it's it's spreading out [TS]

00:07:42   across all of your individual issues you [TS]

00:07:46   get a chance with the hard covers and [TS]

00:07:47   the end of trades to kind of suck it [TS]

00:07:49   back together and have it make a little [TS]

00:07:51   bit more sense which is interesting [TS]

00:07:53   although even then you you end up [TS]

00:07:55   reading an issue of a book that you [TS]

00:07:57   haven't read and are like well who are [TS]

00:07:58   these people and all that which is where [TS]

00:08:00   it so anyway here is around go out and [TS]

00:08:02   buy that title now writings and learn [TS]

00:08:04   what the things I was going to bring up [TS]

00:08:06   is when they do these cross hands [TS]

00:08:08   because these issues are also meant to [TS]

00:08:11   serve as introductory reads for people [TS]

00:08:13   who aren't familiar with them a lot of [TS]

00:08:16   times that they're there they're not [TS]

00:08:18   characteristic of this series as a whole [TS]

00:08:20   so if you do read an issue of other of [TS]

00:08:22   it Italian and then decide to pick up [TS]

00:08:25   the monthly book here you're like wait a [TS]

00:08:26   minute when i read the first one these [TS]

00:08:28   characters had a with the red part a and [TS]

00:08:31   it was action packed and now it turns [TS]

00:08:33   out they sit around and solve crimes and [TS]

00:08:34   are boring what what's up at and it is [TS]

00:08:37   almost like someone falsely goods for [TS]

00:08:39   example I think x factor is a fantastic [TS]

00:08:41   series Peter Davis a great writer and [TS]

00:08:43   it's got a lot of fun dialogue that's [TS]

00:08:45   super super tired cheek but every time [TS]

00:08:47   they've been pulled into something like [TS]

00:08:49   Civil War [TS]

00:08:50   our house of them or whatever that the [TS]

00:08:53   tedious we have to find the last meeting [TS]

00:08:54   I forget the name of the the title that [TS]

00:08:57   just the name of that event that just [TS]

00:08:59   happened but you know X Factor ends up [TS]

00:09:02   being a total drag and boring and no fun [TS]

00:09:05   to read and it's a horrible introduction [TS]

00:09:07   for people who don't know the series and [TS]

00:09:08   it's a 10 it sitting down for people who [TS]

00:09:10   have been following since issue 1 so I [TS]

00:09:13   wonder I wonder how much of the problem [TS]

00:09:15   of events in comic books is the scope [TS]

00:09:19   that to get that big scope you have to [TS]

00:09:23   tell a story that he may not even be a [TS]

00:09:27   story worth telling or is a story that [TS]

00:09:30   isn't particularly interesting and and [TS]

00:09:32   that if you if an event if you could [TS]

00:09:34   call it that is essentially a story of [TS]

00:09:36   what you know let's do this tale even if [TS]

00:09:38   it's a crossover really interesting [TS]

00:09:40   about secret wars at least it was a [TS]

00:09:42   story that was sort of self-contained [TS]

00:09:43   and it's going the scope is sprawling [TS]

00:09:45   and it's happening everywhere the an [TS]

00:09:47   event i read in the last couple of years [TS]

00:09:49   was annihilation from Marvel wishes [TS]

00:09:52   their cosmic superheroes i'm a big fan [TS]

00:09:55   of the Nova since I was a kid which is [TS]

00:09:58   the Green Lantern knock off on Marvel [TS]

00:09:59   but I was like Nova and he wasn't a [TS]

00:10:01   prime mover in the annihilation comic [TS]

00:10:03   and it was interesting and it was kind [TS]

00:10:06   of cool looking but at the same time to [TS]

00:10:07   scope was so vast that you really could [TS]

00:10:10   I mean you couldn't even tell what was [TS]

00:10:12   going on a lot of the time and it's not [TS]

00:10:14   that fulfilling as a story didn't end it [TS]

00:10:17   well you know what kind of mind games [TS]

00:10:18   going back in the nineties when NBC have [TS]

00:10:20   their comedy blocks they would do a [TS]

00:10:21   thing where they have the actors from [TS]

00:10:22   one she appeared another show and it was [TS]

00:10:24   oh no seriously no I I know exactly what [TS]

00:10:27   you're talking about haiti i refuse [TS]

00:10:28   their own friends and Kramer isn't mad [TS]

00:10:31   about you with paul reiser yeah exactly [TS]

00:10:33   and that's what events feel like you [TS]

00:10:35   like to be half of the time because i [TS]

00:10:37   can accept in the marble white virginio [TS]

00:10:38   longer is with homicide now I know [TS]

00:10:42   yeah well one time sometimes it works [TS]

00:10:45   and sometimes it doesn't mean for [TS]

00:10:46   example i can accept in the Marvel [TS]

00:10:47   Universe you have the runaways we're [TS]

00:10:49   running around doing their thing you [TS]

00:10:50   have the adventures you are did the [TS]

00:10:52   grown-ups for solving crime you have the [TS]

00:10:53   x-men doing god knows what I'm god knows [TS]

00:10:55   what part of the country depending on [TS]

00:10:57   the story arc going on so forth [TS]

00:10:59   green everywhere over 80 yeah and you [TS]

00:11:01   certainly loner he gets around basic [TS]

00:11:04   spend some time in japan with Wolverine [TS]

00:11:06   to ya but at the same time you know for [TS]

00:11:10   example at the end of the first runways [TS]

00:11:11   are Captain America comes to deliver [TS]

00:11:13   some truth justice and American when the [TS]

00:11:15   kids and it's kind of jarring because [TS]

00:11:18   you're even believe it now you're on at [TS]

00:11:20   nine here at nine-thirty as it were and [TS]

00:11:22   I'm i feel that way about events [TS]

00:11:24   sometimes to wear unless the writer has [TS]

00:11:26   really thought out the interactions [TS]

00:11:28   between these characters and and what [TS]

00:11:30   they're going to bring to them it feels [TS]

00:11:31   really forced together it's like you're [TS]

00:11:33   playing Barbie and Gi Gi at the same [TS]

00:11:34   time which I mean there is an aspect of [TS]

00:11:37   that but who didn't I mean as a kid kind [TS]

00:11:40   of slammed together things that didn't [TS]

00:11:41   belong together when I was a kid and [TS]

00:11:43   this is not a microwave story i swear we [TS]

00:11:46   played a game in on the playground like [TS]

00:11:48   first grade called stars an and it was a [TS]

00:11:51   Tarzan star trek mashup I my kids [TS]

00:11:54   awesome so there's something to be said [TS]

00:11:57   for that kind of of weird mashup the [TS]

00:12:00   problem is that most of the times it's [TS]

00:12:02   not really that fulfill is why you keep [TS]

00:12:04   buying those event books yet you because [TS]

00:12:07   you're hoping that if you just hope each [TS]

00:12:09   time and then Superman vs spiderman [TS]

00:12:11   right that was the old school event [TS]

00:12:13   right those DC Marvel mashed-up things [TS]

00:12:15   that make no sense but it didn't matter [TS]

00:12:16   x-men teen titans when you this is [TS]

00:12:18   actually now the problem with trade [TS]

00:12:20   paperbacks to is when it came out on a [TS]

00:12:22   monthly basis and made no sense you [TS]

00:12:24   could chalk it up to [TS]

00:12:25   well I just forgot something that was a [TS]

00:12:27   month ago I read the last chapter right [TS]

00:12:29   now you get the collections and sure [TS]

00:12:31   enough put it all together read at the [TS]

00:12:32   same time still makes no sense [TS]

00:12:35   yeah it's like playing TV shows on DVD [TS]

00:12:36   when you're like wow that really doesn't [TS]

00:12:37   hang together shows are better some [TS]

00:12:40   shows and comics are better being read [TS]

00:12:42   as a collection and other ones fall [TS]

00:12:43   apart when you don't have a week or two [TS]

00:12:45   to judge the more month [TS]

00:12:47   mhm yeah one event that I think I broke [TS]

00:12:51   all of the what we're talking about [TS]

00:12:52   where things don't make sense and it [TS]

00:12:54   would characters don't make sense and it [TS]

00:12:56   was sort of jarring was valiant comics [TS]

00:12:59   which was started by jim shooter after [TS]

00:13:01   he left Marvel and they did this event [TS]

00:13:05   called unity which was they took it was [TS]

00:13:08   two chapters of each of their [TS]

00:13:12   five or six comics and launched a couple [TS]

00:13:14   of comics during it and then had a a0 [TS]

00:13:17   issue an issue once like bookends that [TS]

00:13:19   were unity where everybody's together [TS]

00:13:20   and that was so well-crafted because [TS]

00:13:24   every single chapter was written by jim [TS]

00:13:26   shooter had one writer throughout our he [TS]

00:13:28   may have had help on some of the the [TS]

00:13:30   books but it was so tightly controlled [TS]

00:13:32   that a panel in one comic would also be [TS]

00:13:36   used in one of the other comics so [TS]

00:13:39   essentially what you were seeing was in [TS]

00:13:42   events if the event had all of the [TS]

00:13:43   characters in one of the books you would [TS]

00:13:44   see that event from one character's [TS]

00:13:46   perspective and the other issue would [TS]

00:13:48   see it from a different characters [TS]

00:13:49   perspective the same event and [TS]

00:13:51   everything was time-stamped so if you [TS]

00:13:52   look at it across the whole thing you [TS]

00:13:55   could look follow the timestamps and [TS]

00:13:57   sure enough the panels were drawn where [TS]

00:13:59   it was drawn from one person's [TS]

00:14:01   perspective and the other was drawn from [TS]

00:14:02   the other wow so well-crafted yeah that [TS]

00:14:05   it it broke it is said to set the tone [TS]

00:14:09   for what event books could be but you [TS]

00:14:12   can only do that if you have you know [TS]

00:14:14   dictatorial oversight and control over [TS]

00:14:18   every aspect and not too while the scope [TS]

00:14:20   because you can couldn't have that kind [TS]

00:14:22   of control and oversight over 50 or [TS]

00:14:24   right but they actually took the Holy [TS]

00:14:26   about the the valiant universe is they [TS]

00:14:28   had their present day characters in [TS]

00:14:30   books and then they had two books that [TS]

00:14:32   were in the year 40 40 80 you know [TS]

00:14:34   Magnus robot fighter and stuff was in [TS]

00:14:36   the future and everybody ended up in the [TS]

00:14:38   same and they had to rock [TS]

00:14:40   who was this Indian character from the [TS]

00:14:43   stone age and they all ended up in the [TS]

00:14:45   lost land timeless place where there's [TS]

00:14:48   dinosaurs and technology and match them [TS]

00:14:50   all together and they ended up taking [TS]

00:14:52   one of the characters in one of the [TS]

00:14:54   present-day books was pregnant and it [TS]

00:14:55   was she had one of her character has a [TS]

00:14:57   boyfriend the other one was actually the [TS]

00:14:59   father of the child is very what's going [TS]

00:15:01   to happen with this whole baby thing [TS]

00:15:02   getting back to the US interests and [TS]

00:15:04   then they that at the end she has the [TS]

00:15:07   baby during unity and the baby is given [TS]

00:15:10   to this robot character who's from the [TS]

00:15:13   magnets robot fighter and the [TS]

00:15:14   implications is this [TS]

00:15:16   Magnus was always a an orphan nobody [TS]

00:15:19   knew where he came from the implication [TS]

00:15:21   being the present-day characters here [TS]

00:15:25   baby goes into the future and that's [TS]

00:15:27   Magnus and it ended up this whole big [TS]

00:15:30   story which lots of stuff happened it [TS]

00:15:32   tied the entire universe together before [TS]

00:15:36   it wasn't tied together in that kind of [TS]

00:15:38   way and it was just so well structured [TS]

00:15:40   it's hard to find now because valiance [TS]

00:15:42   are mostly out of print and those [TS]

00:15:44   characters Magnus soul aren't Turok are [TS]

00:15:47   actually being published by dark horse [TS]

00:15:48   now so the company that owns the old [TS]

00:15:50   valiant characters don't you think could [TS]

00:15:52   reprint it without get so it's in legal [TS]

00:15:55   limbo and you probably won't see it but [TS]

00:15:57   you can on ebay get immunity is a series [TS]

00:15:59   of for trade paperbacks and highly [TS]

00:16:01   recommend victorian also on Victoria [TS]

00:16:04   entire valley universe on bittorrent [TS]

00:16:05   including unity not that you know this [TS]

00:16:07   podcast is going to pick its argument [TS]

00:16:09   for an ipad ever get through [TS]

00:16:11   yeah we should have apple do [TS]

00:16:13   advertisements now that's an idea no [TS]

00:16:15   apple doesn't do and what are you [TS]

00:16:17   talking and they don't need to maybe I [TS]

00:16:18   the unlike a lot of the crossovers now [TS]

00:16:21   where it's done purely marketing reasons [TS]

00:16:23   and no this book is is selling low so [TS]

00:16:25   we'll throw them into the crossover [TS]

00:16:27   regardless of if they have anything to [TS]

00:16:29   do with anything [TS]

00:16:30   walking down what are you doing here [TS]

00:16:31   right it was like that and I kind of [TS]

00:16:34   feel crisis on Infinite Earths the first [TS]

00:16:36   one was was like that too [TS]

00:16:38   they had some crossovers but it was [TS]

00:16:40   really story-driven and Mark women did [TS]

00:16:42   such a great job with that sorry what [TS]

00:16:44   stands still holds up 25 years later [TS]

00:16:46   yeah no no question usdc does crossovers [TS]

00:16:50   better do you think Marvel does the [TS]

00:16:51   events better which if you had to choose [TS]

00:16:53   if I would say DC if you interview just [TS]

00:16:57   frame the question like that just those [TS]

00:16:59   together i'm training like that because [TS]

00:17:00   those are basically you're here your [TS]

00:17:02   your your coke versus Pepsi I'm right i [TS]

00:17:03   would say now I am Marvel guy but this [TS]

00:17:05   is one of those i actually started i was [TS]

00:17:07   reading both Marvel and DC back in the [TS]

00:17:10   eighties and actually really got I [TS]

00:17:13   didn't like secret wars but I was really [TS]

00:17:15   turned off by crisis on infinite [TS]

00:17:17   universe or ignorance and the reason was [TS]

00:17:20   that it disappeared up the backside of [TS]

00:17:22   continuity and I felt like with this [TS]

00:17:23   many parallel universes and the whole [TS]

00:17:25   story is about the you know the the one [TS]

00:17:28   Superman retcon and versus the other [TS]

00:17:30   Superman redcon and no [TS]

00:17:32   is that I those kinds of stories don't [TS]

00:17:35   interest me at all and I and every time [TS]

00:17:37   I would see yet another crisis from DC [TS]

00:17:40   it's a really they're doing more [TS]

00:17:42   continuity work in the name of drama or [TS]

00:17:44   drama and the name of continuity work so [TS]

00:17:46   that's that's what really turned me off [TS]

00:17:47   from the dc-to-dc event completely not a [TS]

00:17:51   big infinite crisis reader huh [TS]

00:17:53   but crisis came out right mid 85-86 yep [TS]

00:17:56   infinite crisis came out two years ago [TS]

00:17:59   three years ago now uh she doesn't 5005 [TS]

00:18:03   god yes years ago how six years again [TS]

00:18:05   you know because i was i said we wanted [TS]

00:18:06   a calendar is Jason Brandon doesn't know [TS]

00:18:08   what year it is i started reading down [TS]

00:18:10   in LA I moved during the middle of it [TS]

00:18:12   because I remember distinctly like [TS]

00:18:14   trying to line up my issues and they [TS]

00:18:15   were all of us for a while anyway [TS]

00:18:17   it had impact like even infinite crisis [TS]

00:18:19   had impact because they were sort of [TS]

00:18:21   Maori visiting and undoing a storyline [TS]

00:18:23   that was pretty much set in stone for [TS]

00:18:26   20-something years yeah just under the [TS]

00:18:28   whole undoing of storylines thing and [TS]

00:18:30   that was what I'm saying is that's what [TS]

00:18:31   turns me off and I read the x-men they [TS]

00:18:33   do that like on a weekly basis well I [TS]

00:18:35   and I'm not about not being like the [TS]

00:18:36   writers getting powers [TS]

00:18:38   yeah i'm not a big fan of that in in [TS]

00:18:39   general and i'm not a fan of using [TS]

00:18:42   storytelling to fix big pieces of of [TS]

00:18:45   continuity continuity to like I again [TS]

00:18:48   I'm not going to defend the what was an [TS]

00:18:51   ultimatum William which was not good but [TS]

00:18:55   i just read that and training format and [TS]

00:18:57   this was just kind of shocked at how [TS]

00:18:59   petty yeah i actually don't mind the [TS]

00:19:01   impact it had on the Ultimate Universe [TS]

00:19:02   to change it but again it wasn't [TS]

00:19:04   changing continuity it was making [TS]

00:19:06   changes in the universe even so it [TS]

00:19:09   wasn't a good read i didn't actually [TS]

00:19:11   mind that it made some changes to to [TS]

00:19:13   like ultimate spider-man although in the [TS]

00:19:14   end you can read ultimate spider-man [TS]

00:19:15   today and you can tell it like that [TS]

00:19:17   that's actually the private those [TS]

00:19:18   changes and they destroyed New York City [TS]

00:19:20   and two issues later everybody New York [TS]

00:19:22   City is fine and it's going on and you [TS]

00:19:23   forgotten that happened yeah yeah it's [TS]

00:19:25   with a lot of these events writers have [TS]

00:19:27   to be really careful because they are [TS]

00:19:28   certain things you can do for shock [TS]

00:19:30   value or whatever like destroy New York [TS]

00:19:31   City or no more mutants right now [TS]

00:19:35   mutants but then where do you go from [TS]

00:19:37   there [TS]

00:19:37   captain america is dead and Tony Stark [TS]

00:19:39   is the head of shield shield we can ask [TS]

00:19:42   for you know year [TS]

00:19:44   that made sense i think from a story and [TS]

00:19:46   the dead captain america print a story [TS]

00:19:48   was a good story any and but which I [TS]

00:19:51   wouldn't defend Civil War necessarily [TS]

00:19:54   and one of the wars on in defensive and [TS]

00:19:57   so civil war legend spider-man revealing [TS]

00:19:59   his identity which then led to the giant [TS]

00:20:01   colossal disaster of a retcon that 10 [TS]

00:20:05   yeah we're doing more day brand-new day [TS]

00:20:07   v combo of that weekend will be a [TS]

00:20:09   disaster so that that is exactly right [TS]

00:20:13   you what you promised people changes and [TS]

00:20:15   you do an event that has these earth [TS]

00:20:16   shattering ramifications and then there [TS]

00:20:18   is this colossal tendency to walk it [TS]

00:20:20   back as soon as you're done you gotta [TS]

00:20:22   start walking it was that conservatism [TS]

00:20:24   on the part of the writers for the most [TS]

00:20:26   partners on the part of the readers were [TS]

00:20:28   readers are are are pushing back and say [TS]

00:20:30   we don't want this kind of change [TS]

00:20:31   because we feel invested because i think [TS]

00:20:33   when you think about it with ya good [TS]

00:20:35   because we think about comics are pretty [TS]

00:20:36   deeply conservative I mean like like you [TS]

00:20:38   just kind of have but one new Marvel [TS]

00:20:40   villain that stuck around to in the last [TS]

00:20:42   20 years on their happy to have an [TS]

00:20:44   environmental heroes launched there [TS]

00:20:46   haven't been a it's jason conservatism [TS]

00:20:48   because i think they try it's just it's [TS]

00:20:50   really hard to do something good and I [TS]

00:20:52   want him to want to protect our [TS]

00:20:53   intellectual property so you're not [TS]

00:20:54   going to make even every radical change [TS]

00:20:56   that gets made to something has to be [TS]

00:20:57   undone at some point because they want [TS]

00:20:58   to protect their intellectual property [TS]

00:21:00   of you know spider-man needs to be like [TS]

00:21:02   this the Fantastic Four [TS]

00:21:03   you know i love it when the she-hulk was [TS]

00:21:05   in the fantastic four but in inevitably [TS]

00:21:08   they go back to being that core for and [TS]

00:21:10   I believe they're doing that now they're [TS]

00:21:12   really shaking up the fantastic four but [TS]

00:21:13   they'll be back where they were before [TS]

00:21:15   the fantastic in them and then they're [TS]

00:21:17   so why would you bother reading is the [TS]

00:21:18   questions you know the Creator issue now [TS]

00:21:20   too right where we're back in the day [TS]

00:21:22   when you had no other alternative but [TS]

00:21:23   Marvel or DC the creators would create [TS]

00:21:25   interesting things for Marvel and DC now [TS]

00:21:27   if you've got a great idea as a creator [TS]

00:21:29   why would you not go off and create that [TS]

00:21:31   yourself and only intellectual property [TS]

00:21:33   and then that is caused and we may have [TS]

00:21:35   talked about this a little bit before [TS]

00:21:36   that that makes it i mean in some ways [TS]

00:21:38   that makes makes venom kind of a miracle [TS]

00:21:42   anything was done in what 90-89 it was [TS]

00:21:48   right right before the big kind of todd [TS]

00:21:49   mcfarlane and then kind of broke [TS]

00:21:52   yeah that mean it's one of the reasons [TS]

00:21:53   he was the last great right character [TS]

00:21:55   there's a couple of [TS]

00:21:56   bryan cave odd characters like the red [TS]

00:21:58   hood they tried to do stuff with or [TS]

00:22:01   Runaways is good and that's a Marvel [TS]

00:22:03   intellectual property settled ever [TS]

00:22:05   alright but it's good i'm just saying [TS]

00:22:07   yeah that was a good new creation from a [TS]

00:22:09   quality standpoint that was within the [TS]

00:22:10   market bring that there's two hands it's [TS]

00:22:12   hard to create something good and then [TS]

00:22:14   it's hard for it you have to sell it [TS]

00:22:16   publishers to give it the space to find [TS]

00:22:17   an audience right yeah [TS]

00:22:19   and yet somehow manages to work with the [TS]

00:22:21   independence better than doesn't Marvel [TS]

00:22:23   or DC so I wonderful performance metric [TS]

00:22:25   at work [TS]

00:22:25   well there's bigger overhead at Marvel [TS]

00:22:27   and DC yeah so we're gonna explain [TS]

00:22:29   explain the the crises to me that you [TS]

00:22:31   can you can I don't like to give up and [TS]

00:22:36   I kept seeing or more crises and still [TS]

00:22:38   more crises and then they were starting [TS]

00:22:40   now I need to run the disclaimer that I [TS]

00:22:41   stopped reading after this 52 series [TS]

00:22:45   because even i could actually kind of a [TS]

00:22:47   fan of continuity for continuity second [TS]

00:22:49   consistency was by the end of 52 like my [TS]

00:22:51   head was spinning side 52 so as well I [TS]

00:22:56   maybe comes down to DC vs marvel because [TS]

00:22:58   you remember there's a DC I really love [TS]

00:23:00   52 whereas i read it and kind of be the [TS]

00:23:02   cliff notes on some of the stuff so as [TS]

00:23:05   you know there's infinite crisis which [TS]

00:23:06   are seven issues it started back in 2005 [TS]

00:23:08   on it was a LED it was supposed to be [TS]

00:23:12   sequel to crisis on Infinite Earths they [TS]

00:23:15   bring in an extra Superman of course [TS]

00:23:16   because they always bring an extra super [TS]

00:23:18   not too many Superman no now you can't [TS]

00:23:21   on the superbowl I of earth prime gets [TS]

00:23:23   turned in at some point [TS]

00:23:24   Alexander Luthor who was like let's like [TS]

00:23:27   a good look so different parallel [TS]

00:23:28   universe that's the thing that sticks [TS]

00:23:31   with Vito is is they killed off so you [TS]

00:23:33   didn't expect this thought was wrong [TS]

00:23:36   um that was earlier though that was that [TS]

00:23:39   all identity crisis identity crisis [TS]

00:23:42   which led yeah it was so so so there's [TS]

00:23:44   so but all his identity crisis which led [TS]

00:23:47   to infinite crisis and then after [TS]

00:23:48   infinite crisis like the entire DC [TS]

00:23:50   universe as i understand it jumped 40 [TS]

00:23:52   year and that year was bridged with 52 [TS]

00:23:55   which was a new comic book every week [TS]

00:23:57   where you got the heart-wrenching story [TS]

00:23:59   of Black Adam acquiring and losing a [TS]

00:24:02   family and a whole bunch of other stuff [TS]

00:24:03   happened which I can get to a minute we [TS]

00:24:05   need to and then that led into Final [TS]

00:24:08   Crisis which [TS]

00:24:10   which is a lot like the final craftsman [TS]

00:24:12   and yeah [TS]

00:24:15   Final Crisis grant morrison is [TS]

00:24:17   alternately a great writer and operating [TS]

00:24:21   a whole nother level the rest of us [TS]

00:24:23   mortals can't possibly understand you're [TS]

00:24:25   not taking same as he is something i [TS]

00:24:27   could argue then his writing is less [TS]

00:24:29   good if the rest of it if no one can do [TS]

00:24:31   not understand it [TS]

00:24:33   yeah the in so going back further to the [TS]

00:24:37   the original crisis well what happened [TS]

00:24:40   with DC throughout its whole you know [TS]

00:24:41   the thirties and forties and fifties and [TS]

00:24:43   sixties writers you know most people saw [TS]

00:24:45   an issue of a comic and then would see [TS]

00:24:47   never see an issue of that comic again [TS]

00:24:49   and so you would have all these stories [TS]

00:24:51   from all these writers that were largely [TS]

00:24:53   throw away because there was no [TS]

00:24:55   continuity I'm because there's no until [TS]

00:24:58   they're really the direct market [TS]

00:24:59   happened so because of that then people [TS]

00:25:01   started collecting comics in the direct [TS]

00:25:02   market and realizing like there's all [TS]

00:25:04   these stories that are you know totally [TS]

00:25:06   conflicting and crazy and crisis on [TS]

00:25:09   Infinite Earths was in a a third of the [TS]

00:25:12   solution in the DC Universe to that [TS]

00:25:13   problem was always well there's multiple [TS]

00:25:15   earths right because there was like the [TS]

00:25:17   the the superman from the fifties right [TS]

00:25:20   had certain traits whoo-hoo or the [TS]

00:25:23   original Superman he was actually [TS]

00:25:24   considered them to be like the earth two [TS]

00:25:26   superman yeah and the justice society of [TS]

00:25:28   america was earth to the Justice League [TS]

00:25:31   was earth one and yeah they had all [TS]

00:25:33   these rules and it was a huge map and so [TS]

00:25:35   at some point they want you know this [TS]

00:25:37   isn't user-friendly and right and let's [TS]

00:25:40   have the storyline that destroys all of [TS]

00:25:44   the multiple earths and collect coal or [TS]

00:25:45   collapses them into a single to a single [TS]

00:25:48   earth and the emotional crescendo of [TS]

00:25:50   that was not the supergirl dying but [TS]

00:25:53   some of these earth to characters who [TS]

00:25:55   are left the Superman the older Superman [TS]

00:25:57   with the white hair because he was the [TS]

00:25:59   original superman and a superboy-prime [TS]

00:26:03   they sacrificed themselves to bring [TS]

00:26:07   about this one earth you have a mistake [TS]

00:26:10   of the universe coming together in [TS]

00:26:11   orlando and the these core characters [TS]

00:26:13   Superman Superboy Lois Lane and somebody [TS]

00:26:16   else [TS]

00:26:16   Lex Luthor from Earth to wear one of the [TS]

00:26:19   earth where bad guys were good guys and [TS]

00:26:21   good guys or bad guys [TS]

00:26:22   so and that's where it ended and then we [TS]

00:26:25   have this one earth and then DC could do [TS]

00:26:27   all these stories reinventing all of [TS]

00:26:29   their origins which was like john byrne [TS]

00:26:31   Superman oh right right towards ya so [TS]

00:26:34   then fast for 25 years and you have the [TS]

00:26:36   same mass again where they kept doing [TS]

00:26:37   all these else with a so now they didn't [TS]

00:26:39   have multiple earths they would do [TS]

00:26:40   elseworld tails like Alex Ross's kingdom [TS]

00:26:42   come [TS]

00:26:43   right right yes it's a great story great [TS]

00:26:45   story right yeah thank you Lisa for [TS]

00:26:47   recommending that day I think you wanted [TS]

00:26:49   to throw them in so they came up with [TS]

00:26:51   this infinite crisis which had those [TS]

00:26:55   characters you thought sacrificed [TS]

00:26:56   themselves and we're dead the old not [TS]

00:26:58   anymore [TS]

00:27:00   ben is a nowhere zone watching this one [TS]

00:27:05   earth unfold and seeing essentially what [TS]

00:27:08   they thought the heroes not doing a good [TS]

00:27:09   job and the work [TS]

00:27:10   yes but the end of the first issue [TS]

00:27:12   they've been watching all of this Wonder [TS]

00:27:14   Woman killing people and you know [TS]

00:27:17   sudenly getting raped and killed and all [TS]

00:27:19   this terrible stuff and they went we [TS]

00:27:22   sacrifice our lives for this and this is [TS]

00:27:25   so wrong and so that that first issue [TS]

00:27:27   ended with soup the old Superman [TS]

00:27:30   breaking through this barrier going this [TS]

00:27:32   looks like a job for Superman [TS]

00:27:34   yeah it's so maybe as an old fanboy that [TS]

00:27:37   touched me the sort of the end of this a [TS]

00:27:41   crisis and 52 was now there's 52 Earth's [TS]

00:27:47   so completely restored the multiverses [TS]

00:27:51   is basically what they did but they [TS]

00:27:52   tried to create a limited multiverse [TS]

00:27:54   oh yeah I'm sorry I asked it's yeah its [TS]

00:27:58   lights it's looking at 52 and the reason [TS]

00:28:01   that drive me bonkers is there were a [TS]

00:28:03   lot of double-blind oh you think this is [TS]

00:28:05   you think oh you think this is near on [TS]

00:28:06   but it's really wrapped in me or or oh [TS]

00:28:08   you think this is skee intelligible [TS]

00:28:10   talking robot but it's mr. mind me that [TS]

00:28:13   it was a great challenge like to can you [TS]

00:28:15   do a comic in real time coming out every [TS]

00:28:17   week [TS]

00:28:17   yeah from a production standpoint as [TS]

00:28:20   well as a story standpoint and it failed [TS]

00:28:22   on a lot of it came out every week [TS]

00:28:25   quality-wise story-wise it failed on a [TS]

00:28:27   lot of levels but to me the fact that [TS]

00:28:29   they were they tried something new and [TS]

00:28:31   this is where I think DC does a better [TS]

00:28:32   job than marvel [TS]

00:28:34   there they try something new and like I [TS]

00:28:39   have to give him credit for doing that [TS]

00:28:40   even if the story ask succeed on a lot [TS]

00:28:43   of levels but had some moments to me [TS]

00:28:44   that there's no I have no desire to ever [TS]

00:28:46   read it again but I good reading it in [TS]

00:28:49   real time so so I have an event question [TS]

00:28:53   for you guys which is what is what would [TS]

00:28:57   you say is your favorite event if you [TS]

00:28:59   have one that you can you can think of [TS]

00:29:01   and you can take this in anyone like you [TS]

00:29:02   can define this anyway you like Jason do [TS]

00:29:04   you have something you want to think a [TS]

00:29:06   positive moment while you ponder well I [TS]

00:29:09   could say the birth of my son was my [TS]

00:29:10   favorite well the comic book event until [TS]

00:29:12   you write that in America crossover with [TS]

00:29:15   his arch nemesis from the future who [TS]

00:29:17   comes back in time to try try to yeah [TS]

00:29:20   well sometimes very good i have to unity [TS]

00:29:22   which already talked about because it [TS]

00:29:24   was so well done and then the the [TS]

00:29:27   original crisis only because I was like [TS]

00:29:30   11 or seven or something when that came [TS]

00:29:32   out and I had no idea who any of these [TS]

00:29:34   characters were right right i had like [TS]

00:29:36   every 2-3 there's two Superman and [TS]

00:29:38   Superboy and my brother is that possible [TS]

00:29:40   my little head exploded and I probably [TS]

00:29:42   got like four of the issues out of the [TS]

00:29:43   entire series when it first came out but [TS]

00:29:45   I loved George presses art world artwork [TS]

00:29:48   is great it's been like every panel has [TS]

00:29:50   like 60 characters and have no idea who [TS]

00:29:52   they are i love the Teen Titans of that [TS]

00:29:54   area to which was the marvelous woman [TS]

00:29:55   George Brett as wasn't I mean out that [TS]

00:29:57   was great stuff [TS]

00:29:59   fringe by the way did a diverse they did [TS]

00:30:03   a that which is a 2 world multiverse [TS]

00:30:06   right in the any alternate universe and [TS]

00:30:09   the TV show fringe there are there's a [TS]

00:30:12   there's a comic book their comic books [TS]

00:30:14   that are spotted at one point that's [TS]

00:30:16   produced by Warner Brothers so with a DC [TS]

00:30:18   property and one of the cup comic books [TS]

00:30:21   that's visible in the fridge universe is [TS]

00:30:23   the crisis issue with Supergirl dead [TS]

00:30:25   being held by Superman except it's [TS]

00:30:28   Superman dead being held by Supergirl [TS]

00:30:31   and they commissioned like 45 of these [TS]

00:30:34   all universe covers for French it's [TS]

00:30:35   hilarious and and because it's parallel [TS]

00:30:37   universe about parallel universes it's [TS]

00:30:39   it's good stuff [TS]

00:30:40   Lisa what about you my favorite event [TS]

00:30:43   yeah if you have one you could also just [TS]

00:30:45   see that this is the thing is I don't [TS]

00:30:47   want [TS]

00:30:48   hence I get events are like sweets for [TS]

00:30:51   you end up watching anyway you hate [TS]

00:30:53   yourself what you do it um well maybe [TS]

00:30:55   after you answer because um i was gonna [TS]

00:30:58   say the last I actually really bad taste [TS]

00:31:02   in my mouth regarding events as the last [TS]

00:31:06   one I read through with civil war and by [TS]

00:31:07   the end of it I was just like really [TS]

00:31:08   really I I just think how much money [TS]

00:31:10   into this if you thought that was bad do [TS]

00:31:12   not read a secret invasion [TS]

00:31:15   no I was awarded vision yeah I think [TS]

00:31:19   through the trade in the in one of the [TS]

00:31:21   complex stores and you actually put it [TS]

00:31:23   back and i'm typically somebody who's a [TS]

00:31:25   complete ass when it comes to [TS]

00:31:26   collections and continuity and things [TS]

00:31:28   like that and and I was like I can't [TS]

00:31:30   even bring myself to touch this and the [TS]

00:31:32   over the scroll you doing I love that I [TS]

00:31:35   love the campaign that they did for [TS]

00:31:36   secret invasion where you saw you said [TS]

00:31:39   you know he's a little kid eating [TS]

00:31:40   icecream cones and so on so forth but [TS]

00:31:42   the the whole thing was just this hectic [TS]

00:31:45   mess and once again [TS]

00:31:46   oh you think this is somebody but [TS]

00:31:47   they're not now which was not the one or [TS]

00:31:50   know when civil war that there was [TS]

00:31:52   Captain or uh single was more wall i [TS]

00:31:55   came back to life and was guarding all [TS]

00:31:58   the prisoners isn't that right except it [TS]

00:32:00   turned out that it and then Secret [TS]

00:32:02   Invasion turns out that it wasn't [TS]

00:32:03   Captain Marvel using yeah it was yeah [TS]

00:32:06   you know more fakery know that the civil [TS]

00:32:08   war thing was ridiculous because again [TS]

00:32:10   it's something where they throw you a [TS]

00:32:11   legend shock after alleged shock-like [TS]

00:32:13   Sue Storm leaving Reed Richards over [TS]

00:32:14   their vast ideological differences and [TS]

00:32:17   secret invasion was done better when it [TS]

00:32:19   was the race war [TS]

00:32:21   all right there was the rom space Knight [TS]

00:32:23   spin-off thank you for getting in [TS]

00:32:24   another building at low reference you're [TS]

00:32:26   welcome I appreciate that any other [TS]

00:32:28   climbers and I think the closest with [TS]

00:32:31   regards to events and this wasn't even [TS]

00:32:33   an event it was just a wrap up the wild [TS]

00:32:35   storm actually did was the first time [TS]

00:32:37   they killed off the storm watch title [TS]

00:32:39   they had some of the aliens you know [TS]

00:32:41   from the movie franchise aliens they had [TS]

00:32:43   some of the aliens come and and got half [TS]

00:32:45   the team and then they brought in [TS]

00:32:47   characters from another book to [TS]

00:32:48   investigate the mess and i like that big [TS]

00:32:51   of you I thought is a great way to end [TS]

00:32:53   things because if you're if you have to [TS]

00:32:54   cancel a book you might as well why not [TS]

00:32:56   kill off the characters and and have had [TS]

00:33:00   mr. virus just shrug your shoulders and [TS]

00:33:02   figured oh ok i guess i'll just go back [TS]

00:33:04   to communications for joss whedon [TS]

00:33:07   exactly and I right right you don't kill [TS]

00:33:09   people could just waiting to i was going [TS]

00:33:11   to say and I don't think this counts as [TS]

00:33:12   an event either but it was spun out of [TS]

00:33:13   an event and then it's London into event [TS]

00:33:15   which is um and I've mentioned it on the [TS]

00:33:17   podcast before his planet hulk in which [TS]

00:33:19   was played as an event although it isn't [TS]

00:33:21   she was just a a year in in the [TS]

00:33:24   incredible hulk but if it like was led [TS]

00:33:26   into by the Illuminati and they agreed [TS]

00:33:28   to send the Hulk away and then it led [TS]

00:33:31   into world war hulk which is another one [TS]

00:33:33   of these different kinds of things but [TS]

00:33:37   you know I again I guess what I'm saying [TS]

00:33:38   is my favorite events aren't really [TS]

00:33:40   events there they're almost like [TS]

00:33:42   promotional marketing around a an actual [TS]

00:33:46   story that's happening again the scope [TS]

00:33:48   is small [TS]

00:33:50   yeah but you know when I was a kid I [TS]

00:33:52   loved the x-men micronauts miniseries [TS]

00:33:53   which again was sort of an event because [TS]

00:33:54   it was a crossover miniseries kind of [TS]

00:33:56   thing but it wasn't a UH an event that [TS]

00:34:00   spanned many titles it was it was a [TS]

00:34:02   standalone pulled out of multiple titles [TS]

00:34:05   and was yeah that's the stuff but that's [TS]

00:34:07   the stuff that I like I mean I I'm [TS]

00:34:08   actually a little scared [TS]

00:34:10   although i think it's an intriguing idea [TS]

00:34:11   and it will see how they do it but that [TS]

00:34:13   the Buffy Season nine concept is [TS]

00:34:15   essentially that they're going to make [TS]

00:34:16   it an event where it's multiple titles [TS]

00:34:18   in the buffyverse mall crossing over [TS]

00:34:21   with each other instead of a single [TS]

00:34:23   story in a single comic it fits the [TS]

00:34:25   format i guess but i'm not sure i [TS]

00:34:27   actually endorse the idea of at least [TS]

00:34:30   it's plotted from scratch as what it is [TS]

00:34:33   going to be rather than trying to trying [TS]

00:34:35   to weave it into existing titles but [TS]

00:34:38   still it it gives me a lot of [TS]

00:34:40   trepidation because you know the events [TS]

00:34:43   haven't been very successful right other [TS]

00:34:44   than sales they're very successful from [TS]

00:34:47   a sales perspective it's just you know [TS]

00:34:48   we're willing to be struggling to find [TS]

00:34:50   good creative successes with it was [TS]

00:34:54   bouncing off of that the secret six got [TS]

00:34:56   relaunched the Yeltsin own rights at the [TS]

00:35:00   secret and and basically the premises [TS]

00:35:01   these are people who are kind of [TS]

00:35:03   screw-ups and they got relaunched I [TS]

00:35:07   forget myself i forget which always they [TS]

00:35:11   were launched with identity crisis [TS]

00:35:12   because they came out in [TS]

00:35:13   2005 and it was Catman Deadshot cheshire [TS]

00:35:18   um scandal Savage was the daughter of [TS]

00:35:21   Vandal Savage and rag doll who is just [TS]

00:35:25   this this delightfully insane on [TS]

00:35:27   contortionists and then why do you have [TS]

00:35:30   a dandy [TS]

00:35:30   I've never heard of any of these people [TS]

00:35:32   and we'll cab and runs into batman [TS]

00:35:36   occasionally and he popped application [TS]

00:35:37   and you read any popped up occasionally [TS]

00:35:39   the birds of prey book too i mean this [TS]

00:35:41   is a guy who wants to be a superhero and [TS]

00:35:43   it's just morally weak and and kind of a [TS]

00:35:46   moron to boot so it always so so it [TS]

00:35:48   always goes wrong with ya always goes [TS]

00:35:51   wrong forum and as a result he's [TS]

00:35:53   frustrated he turns to a life of [TS]

00:35:54   primaries basically you know from prior [TS]

00:35:55   and really sorry are you talking about [TS]

00:35:58   character-driven books because that's [TS]

00:36:00   crazy one event that villains United was [TS]

00:36:05   launched on in conjunction with identity [TS]

00:36:07   crisis it was woven in at some point and [TS]

00:36:09   i forget the exact connection because [TS]

00:36:11   it's been a long time since I i read the [TS]

00:36:13   original stuff but its innocence been [TS]

00:36:16   spun off as a series called the secret [TS]

00:36:17   six and again because Gail Simone's [TS]

00:36:19   reading it's a very funny series and [TS]

00:36:21   generally intently very good it's good [TS]

00:36:23   comics and so that's well you know [TS]

00:36:25   that's it the way i look at it is yes [TS]

00:36:27   it's an adventure and comic in that in [TS]

00:36:29   that that's how was launched in these [TS]

00:36:30   guys to get sucked into events but it's [TS]

00:36:33   something that came out of it on its own [TS]

00:36:34   it has an a tiny way to change the DC [TS]

00:36:37   Universe um I'll take it I'll tell your [TS]

00:36:40   guests Simone also i think rumored to be [TS]

00:36:42   writing for the the buffy season 9 I [TS]

00:36:45   think that was what I heard I wouldn't [TS]

00:36:47   be surprised that you're just seems a [TS]

00:36:48   rally interesting interesting thing [TS]

00:36:51   um yes yes she's my favorite writers [TS]

00:36:53   working today because between the [TS]

00:36:55   between secret six which I I always got [TS]

00:36:58   about it look for and welcome to [TS]

00:36:59   tranquility which is her take on a [TS]

00:37:02   superhero retirement village and is new [TS]

00:37:04   and very sharp and very funny that way [TS]

00:37:06   yes especially be the former child [TS]

00:37:09   flying ace has now developed Alzheimer's [TS]

00:37:11   that's like my favorite character road [TS]

00:37:13   there's a great of a sort of the tick [TS]

00:37:14   involves the the retirement home [TS]

00:37:17   um did you see these are you still [TS]

00:37:19   reading invincible there there was a it [TS]

00:37:21   was a couple years ago now they did a a [TS]

00:37:23   an event and it was one issue I think it [TS]

00:37:26   was maybe ended [TS]

00:37:27   number 50 but it was it was it was a [TS]

00:37:29   crossover with all of the other heroes [TS]

00:37:32   that are in that publisher basically [TS]

00:37:34   like the savage dragon it's and it's not [TS]

00:37:35   just image if yeah it's not just text [TS]

00:37:38   jacket and I mean it's not just like [TS]

00:37:39   things Kirkman touches it it was [TS]

00:37:41   everything an image but they did in one [TS]

00:37:43   issue and it's insane but I loved it for [TS]

00:37:46   the sense that they said here here's [TS]

00:37:48   what we're gonna do we're gonna do 1 [TS]

00:37:49   double size issue is gonna have all the [TS]

00:37:50   crossovers in it and then we're never [TS]

00:37:52   gonna speak of it again it's just a [TS]

00:37:54   self-contained fun and funny because it [TS]

00:37:57   is that's the reason why he yes that's [TS]

00:38:00   why would you like it is why people buy [TS]

00:38:01   them as they like I want to see [TS]

00:38:03   spider-man and and Captain America fight [TS]

00:38:07   against Iron Man and I you know and the [TS]

00:38:10   Green Goblin who is now fighting with I [TS]

00:38:12   remember something like that's crazy i [TS]

00:38:14   was he's been going off to Paris come on [TS]

00:38:16   Superman fight spider-man because it's [TS]

00:38:19   cool [TS]

00:38:20   did you guys get a read the justice [TS]

00:38:23   league versus the adventures that 1i [TS]

00:38:26   didn't see that was after my time it was [TS]

00:38:27   in Titans x-men yeah this was a la one [TS]

00:38:31   recently in it was not casadas 2000 [TS]

00:38:35   issue the 2,000 yeah yeah [TS]

00:38:37   rather they launched Avengers anyway [TS]

00:38:39   they press through it again because he [TS]

00:38:42   does all of the big lots of characters [TS]

00:38:44   books [TS]

00:38:44   it was fun i forget who the writer was [TS]

00:38:47   it may have been weighed but it was it [TS]

00:38:49   was just a lot of fun and your classic [TS]

00:38:52   these some celestial bad thing happens [TS]

00:38:55   and the heroes from the two different [TS]

00:38:56   worlds get thrown together and they have [TS]

00:38:58   to find these three elements unit and [TS]

00:39:01   yes they split different teams to go get [TS]

00:39:02   these three things to bring together to [TS]

00:39:04   fight the big celestial back then the [TS]

00:39:06   fun part was the the writing the right [TS]

00:39:10   was clearly having a good time with it [TS]

00:39:12   because when the Marvel characters were [TS]

00:39:13   in the DC world in within those teams [TS]

00:39:17   they made comments like your world is [TS]

00:39:20   slightly bigger than office is slightly [TS]

00:39:22   larger because it has these other cities [TS]

00:39:24   metropolis still has new york and stuff [TS]

00:39:26   but now they also metropolis and the DC [TS]

00:39:29   characters commented in the Marvel [TS]

00:39:31   Universe about how none of the Marvel [TS]

00:39:34   heroes are treated like heroes [TS]

00:39:35   yeah well they are the East River so I [TS]

00:39:37   had lots of little nice things like that [TS]

00:39:38   and then the other fun part was [TS]

00:39:40   because all these various celestial [TS]

00:39:42   things happening at the timeline was [TS]

00:39:45   really kind of screwy so from panel to [TS]

00:39:47   panel the characters would change their [TS]

00:39:50   outfits so like in one panel Aquaman [TS]

00:39:52   would be his orange shirt and green [TS]

00:39:54   pants and the next panel though he be [TS]

00:39:56   talking throughout the two panels but [TS]

00:39:57   the next panel he would be with his hook [TS]

00:40:00   and his beard and his long things you [TS]

00:40:03   saw all the versions of the characters [TS]

00:40:04   and the other comments that characters [TS]

00:40:06   would sort of notice that they all had a [TS]

00:40:08   sense something was going on but because [TS]

00:40:10   they were part of it they didn't but as [TS]

00:40:11   a as a person you got to see every [TS]

00:40:13   version of every character throughout [TS]

00:40:16   these both teams huge history and it was [TS]

00:40:18   just so much fun and they included i [TS]

00:40:20   think i was the last issue had the the [TS]

00:40:23   obligatory wraparound cover that had [TS]

00:40:25   every single version of every single [TS]

00:40:27   character and it had a map so you could [TS]

00:40:29   find out who is who see it was just fun [TS]

00:40:31   and that's what and that's that's I [TS]

00:40:33   think the story is that events should be [TS]

00:40:35   four more fun than they are and they [TS]

00:40:36   sound I think maybe even start with fun [TS]

00:40:38   concepts but they tend not to be in so [TS]

00:40:42   what kind of glomming on to things like [TS]

00:40:43   collapse into the way they're in his [TS]

00:40:45   great company crossovers actually better [TS]

00:40:47   right because they have to be restrained [TS]

00:40:48   scope because there's a deal that has to [TS]

00:40:51   be made write a contract and some [TS]

00:40:52   revenue sharing and all of that and [TS]

00:40:54   that's awful business stuff but in the [TS]

00:40:56   end what that means is that they can't [TS]

00:40:58   do what they can do on their own and and [TS]

00:41:00   you know I guess Marvel DC basically [TS]

00:41:03   don't do that anymore and dildo [TS]

00:41:05   eventually thought they'd last I heard [TS]

00:41:07   it was DC was refusing to work with them [TS]

00:41:10   as long as joe quesada was [TS]

00:41:12   editor-in-chief some some- headings he [TS]

00:41:15   had said about and easy and he's no [TS]

00:41:16   longer editor and it's a snack salon so [TS]

00:41:19   now right who used to work at DC to [TS]

00:41:20   rights know maybe maybe some start [TS]

00:41:22   having crossovers again i love me [TS]

00:41:24   there's a Marvel team-up with spider-man [TS]

00:41:26   and invincible [TS]

00:41:27   that's awesome the only one of those [TS]

00:41:29   things where invincible flies through a [TS]

00:41:31   portal from another issue of invincible [TS]

00:41:33   we're being sent to alternate universes [TS]

00:41:35   and these there with with regular [TS]

00:41:37   spider-man i was actually kinda hoping [TS]

00:41:39   that the ultimate spider-man is regular [TS]

00:41:40   spider-man and and it's hilarious [TS]

00:41:42   because he begins criticizing the names [TS]

00:41:44   of all the heroes and in the Marvel [TS]

00:41:46   Universe Kirkman Road it and it's like a [TS]

00:41:49   let me guess you didn't things like your [TS]

00:41:52   your robot man [TS]

00:41:53   he's like no I'm ironman really a and [TS]

00:41:55   your and your the the human flag no I'm [TS]

00:41:58   captain america really understand and [TS]

00:42:00   his biggest criticisms leveled on [TS]

00:42:02   spider-man is like you've got all these [TS]

00:42:03   cool powers you're spider-man it and [TS]

00:42:09   it's a good story and he saves dr. [TS]

00:42:11   octopus from spider-man thinking that [TS]

00:42:13   doc doc is the good guy and there's a [TS]

00:42:16   whole dang him and it's a Marvel team-up [TS]

00:42:19   but i don't so so that's the kind of [TS]

00:42:22   yeah crazy event while certain before [TS]

00:42:24   they got fully subsumed by DC they used [TS]

00:42:27   to do occasional shadows the DC universe [TS]

00:42:29   or crossovers into it for example when [TS]

00:42:31   they had the series on storm watch their [TS]

00:42:34   favorite bar was was run by a guy called [TS]

00:42:36   Clark and he was beautiful and he's very [TS]

00:42:39   and the thing is Clark clean his glasses [TS]

00:42:41   by shooting his x-ray vision at them and [TS]

00:42:45   it was just a very subtle shout out [TS]

00:42:47   there and then one of the world's to one [TS]

00:42:49   of the world some properties planetary [TS]

00:42:51   which we actually actually do a podcast [TS]

00:42:53   on planetary yes but it wasn't reading [TS]

00:42:57   it [TS]

00:42:57   there was also doing there was a [TS]

00:42:58   planetary Batman cross not a spin-off [TS]

00:43:00   which was I think just a one-issue thing [TS]

00:43:02   where they run into the Batman from the [TS]

00:43:05   1960s series the Batman from the i think [TS]

00:43:09   i want to see the nineteen seventies and [TS]

00:43:11   early eighties comics and then the back [TS]

00:43:13   of the dark knight batman and they have [TS]

00:43:15   to try to figure out what her excuse my [TS]

00:43:17   heat why these different iterations of [TS]

00:43:19   Batman keep flashing in this alley and [TS]

00:43:21   it's a little detective story and it was [TS]

00:43:24   I love things like that because again [TS]

00:43:26   the scope is kind of limited and part of [TS]

00:43:28   the fun is watching did the [TS]

00:43:29   fish-out-of-water story right the idea [TS]

00:43:32   was a as it was many years ago now II [TS]

00:43:36   hellboy Batman only Batman Starman [TS]

00:43:40   crossover Wow and all drawn by Manila [TS]

00:43:44   was beautiful and of course they fought [TS]

00:43:46   Nazis when the shooter and it just was [TS]

00:43:51   collected and trade paperback a couple [TS]

00:43:54   weeks ago it came out while because it [TS]

00:43:57   was early two thousand maybe that this [TS]

00:43:59   story came out or even before it was [TS]

00:44:01   weird way early in the hellboy time [TS]

00:44:03   thing but they could never collect it [TS]

00:44:05   because of the whole legal [TS]

00:44:07   lights & right so finally there's a [TS]

00:44:08   Hellboy crossover trade paperback that [TS]

00:44:11   has that in it and the hellboy Ghost [TS]

00:44:14   which is a character from dark horse and [TS]

00:44:16   I haven't read that one yet [TS]

00:44:17   crossover so it's just nice that they [TS]

00:44:19   finally are collecting those company [TS]

00:44:21   crossover sort of things i wish that the [TS]

00:44:23   tick would get out of intellectual [TS]

00:44:24   property jail because that would be a [TS]

00:44:27   good character that i would love to see [TS]

00:44:28   crossover with other with other thing [TS]

00:44:31   only if it was written by bend but it [TS]

00:44:32   would have to be written by ben edlund [TS]

00:44:33   yeah yeah but that would be that would [TS]

00:44:36   be great to see so let's shift gears and [TS]

00:44:39   talk about what you are what you've been [TS]

00:44:42   reading if you if you are have been [TS]

00:44:45   reading anything Alicia you had a baby [TS]

00:44:47   have you been entertaining yourself at [TS]

00:44:50   all by reading comics or have you been [TS]

00:44:51   off the comics since you had your [TS]

00:44:53   daughter [TS]

00:44:53   I've been trying to read the trades are [TS]

00:44:55   easier to read the pamphlets and the [TS]

00:44:57   series i'm working through now is by [TS]

00:44:59   john layman and rob guillory and it's [TS]

00:45:00   called chew and it's the lead character [TS]

00:45:04   is a guy who works at the FDA is it [TS]

00:45:07   inspector / he's an agent for the FDA [TS]

00:45:09   and he's what they call Psychopathic [TS]

00:45:11   which means that when he eats something [TS]

00:45:13   he can instantly Crockett's background [TS]

00:45:15   on so that use him to solve food [TS]

00:45:17   inspection cases and the occasional [TS]

00:45:19   murder and all this is a universe where [TS]

00:45:22   chicken is outlawed right [TS]

00:45:24   yes this is the universal Chicken is [TS]

00:45:26   illegal and and his partner gets turned [TS]

00:45:31   into a cyborg at one point and I do and [TS]

00:45:34   I just and I just started that I've just [TS]

00:45:36   started the 3rd trade and it's um it's [TS]

00:45:40   very funny and spreads broad comedy it's [TS]

00:45:42   very slide to be honest it kind of [TS]

00:45:44   reminds me of invincible because it [TS]

00:45:46   takes a lot of conflict conventions very [TS]

00:45:48   tongue-in-cheek with them especially [TS]

00:45:49   with all we have an FD agent who who is [TS]

00:45:52   psychic but only have something in his [TS]

00:45:53   mouth and he's dating a food writer [TS]

00:45:55   whose special power is whatever she [TS]

00:45:57   writes a food palm anyone who reads it [TS]

00:45:59   can actually taste what she's talking [TS]

00:46:01   about so what did they think they're [TS]

00:46:02   eating along with her and that's that's [TS]

00:46:04   her superpower and the faculties you're [TS]

00:46:06   like super powers may take the horrible [TS]

00:46:08   things these people's lives [TS]

00:46:10   I I find that very people funny Wow um [TS]

00:46:13   while I've never heard about that is [TS]

00:46:15   that is while Jason you you have [TS]

00:46:17   anything that you want to [TS]

00:46:18   you've been looking at that's strike [TS]

00:46:20   fencing is sadly i'm not gonna ask this [TS]

00:46:22   question you gave me a look like oh god [TS]

00:46:24   you're not gonna make me talk about what [TS]

00:46:25   i'm reading now [TS]

00:46:26   oh yeah well it's because the I've been [TS]

00:46:29   reading two tracks at this point one is [TS]

00:46:32   the the eighties mid-eighties mid to [TS]

00:46:37   late eighties nineties series of Thor [TS]

00:46:39   just get kind of ready for the thor [TS]

00:46:40   movie so well-read walk Simonson i'm [TS]

00:46:42   actually reading the tom defalco run [TS]

00:46:46   that happened right after the Walt [TS]

00:46:47   Simonson where it was at the end up [TS]

00:46:49   going very Kirby a lifetime to Falco [TS]

00:46:51   he's a very throwback kind of writer [TS]

00:46:53   yeah just kinda at the time at the time [TS]

00:46:55   when I was a kid I didn't really [TS]

00:46:56   appreciate it now i really appreciate [TS]

00:46:58   his I read his run of spider girl and I [TS]

00:47:01   really liked that it was just seriously [TS]

00:47:03   old-school yeah yes I it'sit's and it's [TS]

00:47:06   exactly that parrots DiFalco and run [TS]

00:47:08   friends and friends so I'm reading that [TS]

00:47:10   at the same time I just finished reading [TS]

00:47:13   the first six issues of the whole new [TS]

00:47:15   avengers family so like secret avengers [TS]

00:47:17   New Avengers Mighty Avengers and [TS]

00:47:21   Avengers Academy like the first six [TS]

00:47:23   issues of all that set and i can say [TS]

00:47:27   some of them are very good some of them [TS]

00:47:30   are very good others i thought those are [TS]

00:47:33   those early is that the early New [TS]

00:47:35   Avengers that were by Bendis were pretty [TS]

00:47:36   good [TS]

00:47:37   Bendis in MO what he say it's imminent [TS]

00:47:39   immense to revenue those actually were [TS]

00:47:41   really good that was one of them yeah I [TS]

00:47:43   like that he Bendis a junior Avengers on [TS]

00:47:48   where you the exact opposite of that so [TS]

00:47:51   much right we're not so now she just [TS]

00:47:53   picture Bendis is just rolling in money [TS]

00:47:55   laughing he does some good work and then [TS]

00:47:57   he does some other work is and he's it [TS]

00:47:59   and and they just work because the beach [TS]

00:48:01   house needs a new roof [TS]

00:48:03   yes all of you out there if you want to [TS]

00:48:05   read the Avengers book get the one that [TS]

00:48:06   has the thing in it [TS]

00:48:08   no that's the news separate Avengers [TS]

00:48:10   secret yeah one right that's good right [TS]

00:48:12   the all you know that's not Secret [TS]

00:48:13   Avengers sorry Steve Avengers is [TS]

00:48:14   Brubaker which is also good [TS]

00:48:17   oh the New Adventures is the which led [TS]

00:48:22   into the secret event invasion but it's [TS]

00:48:24   good it's right yeah New Avengers is [TS]

00:48:25   good and Avengers Academy is [TS]

00:48:27   surprisingly good and that sort of like [TS]

00:48:28   New Mutants right look at hero among [TS]

00:48:31   heroes man [TS]

00:48:32   I love that as a big concept twist that [TS]

00:48:35   makes it gets a nice framework and keeps [TS]

00:48:37   it interesting so I over the holidays I [TS]

00:48:40   read another volume of atomic robo I [TS]

00:48:43   think vol 3 which is amusing and that it [TS]

00:48:47   plays with time atomic robo was invented [TS]

00:48:48   by Nikola Tesla in the 1910s i want to [TS]

00:48:53   say nineteen twenties and but he's [TS]

00:48:56   immortal because he's a he's an atomic [TS]

00:48:57   powered robot and so they tell stories [TS]

00:49:00   of him in the in world war two and there [TS]

00:49:02   is it one of his one of the collections [TS]

00:49:05   was actually a flashback sort of basting [TS]

00:49:07   where there are his friends from world [TS]

00:49:09   war two and now they're all dead and but [TS]

00:49:11   the the the enemy the evil from then is [TS]

00:49:14   back with this this collection is a it's [TS]

00:49:18   him an HP Lovecraft who's a who's crazy [TS]

00:49:21   in the twenties and and that's the first [TS]

00:49:26   issue and then the second issue is him [TS]

00:49:28   in the forties and then the next issue [TS]

00:49:30   is him in the seventies and that and the [TS]

00:49:32   issue after that I think it's him in the [TS]

00:49:33   present day and there's this recurring [TS]

00:49:36   evil because it's a Lovecraftian evil [TS]

00:49:40   out of time and space that does its [TS]

00:49:42   nonlinear to time and so the end of all [TS]

00:49:44   of these first five issues I think are [TS]

00:49:47   the same which is basically that atomic [TS]

00:49:49   robo gets sucked up by this monster and [TS]

00:49:51   then spat out and then the last issue [TS]

00:49:54   the the last issue is the period where [TS]

00:49:58   they've all been sucked in by the [TS]

00:50:00   monster and so all the atomic robo Tsar [TS]

00:50:02   together from the different timelines [TS]

00:50:04   and they must figure out how to resolve [TS]

00:50:07   the issue which resolves in them all [TS]

00:50:08   being spat back out into their own [TS]

00:50:10   timelines it's it's great retama krobo [TS]

00:50:12   it's just it's a great it's a great book [TS]

00:50:14   it is so much fun [TS]

00:50:16   great sense of humor interesting [TS]

00:50:18   character because he's human-like but [TS]

00:50:21   he's not human because he's a metal man [TS]

00:50:24   he's a robot but he but he's you [TS]

00:50:26   wouldn't tell from his dialogue which is [TS]

00:50:28   hilarious [TS]

00:50:29   so I i can't recommend any pick up any [TS]

00:50:32   kind of atomic robust of everything I've [TS]

00:50:34   read of atomic robo and they do they do [TS]

00:50:36   individual little run so we'll do like a [TS]

00:50:38   volume 1 at six issues or another one [TS]

00:50:40   that's five issues and don't have an [TS]

00:50:41   ipad or iphone app to of atomic robo i [TS]

00:50:44   seem to remember downloading [TS]

00:50:45   yeah there were and there was a free and [TS]

00:50:46   there was a free sample and you can also [TS]

00:50:47   get it from the comics by comiXology app [TS]

00:50:50   but yeah they've been actually very good [TS]

00:50:52   at at promoting it are digitally but i [TS]

00:50:56   love i love atomic robo that is it's [TS]

00:50:59   just huge huge fun [TS]

00:51:01   so that's what I that's what I think [TS]

00:51:02   what I've been reading the most and [TS]

00:51:03   keeping up with invincible and a couple [TS]

00:51:06   other things that way too i need any [TS]

00:51:08   digital comics i need to keep invincible [TS]

00:51:10   yeah well he's he's actually got a [TS]

00:51:13   little bit of am of a UH an event thing [TS]

00:51:16   going on with back with the war and then [TS]

00:51:19   sales are down the well it's it's not a [TS]

00:51:21   crossover event but it's it's like they [TS]

00:51:23   had that they had the what is that built [TS]

00:51:25   them right little termites yeah yeah so [TS]

00:51:28   one of them comes to earth and there's [TS]

00:51:30   this big war and people get injured and [TS]

00:51:32   then he goes into space with his dad and [TS]

00:51:34   his brother and they they fight the [TS]

00:51:35   mountain space and they go back to the [TS]

00:51:37   home world and if you get a brother and [TS]

00:51:39   it's all his brother has his dad got it [TS]

00:51:41   on with on an insect Queen inside queen [TS]

00:51:45   and faster moving her from slow [TS]

00:51:47   oh yeah and he has got a hit ages [TS]

00:51:49   rapidly again it's all its its it that [TS]

00:51:52   was actually fun but because since mom [TS]

00:51:54   is awesome she's raising the kids since [TS]

00:51:56   the insect Queen had like a life span of [TS]

00:51:57   three years and so so it's all good [TS]

00:52:00   except that I feel like I'm invented out [TS]

00:52:02   with invincible now and I really wanted [TS]

00:52:04   to just go back to earth which [TS]

00:52:05   apparently i think in the next issue he [TS]

00:52:06   goes back to earth and there's the [TS]

00:52:07   ramifications of what has happened while [TS]

00:52:09   he's been gone [TS]

00:52:10   yeah but I I really you know what I like [TS]

00:52:12   about that comic is not that that we [TS]

00:52:14   spend ten issues with lots of fighting [TS]

00:52:16   out in space it's about the characters [TS]

00:52:18   and his his relationship with Adam even [TS]

00:52:20   yeah and and the other kind of wacky the [TS]

00:52:22   guardians of the globe who are on the [TS]

00:52:24   earth and the kind of weird like robot [TS]

00:52:26   the robot that's remote controlled by a [TS]

00:52:28   kid and stuff like that dude okay that's [TS]

00:52:31   one of my favorites out [TS]

00:52:32   yeah yeah there's the kirkland that guy [TS]

00:52:35   yeah he he's he's kind of all the [TS]

00:52:37   collections i think i think he might be [TS]

00:52:39   okay again man has a future [TS]

00:52:41   yeah so anyway it's brian clevon your [TS]

00:52:43   Clevenger claiming her is the is the [TS]

00:52:46   atomic robo writer by the way he's think [TS]

00:52:49   he's the guy and I don't actually know [TS]

00:52:50   the name of the publisher of that record [TS]

00:52:53   red5 maybe somebody I've never read five [TS]

00:52:56   comics it's you know Andy atomic robo [TS]

00:52:58   out [TS]

00:52:58   foreign money i'm so so I think we're [TS]

00:53:02   reaching the end of our our show for now [TS]

00:53:04   but it sounds like we've got a couple [TS]

00:53:05   great great great topics because I do [TS]

00:53:07   want to talk about the portrayal of [TS]

00:53:08   being a parent and having kids in comics [TS]

00:53:11   so we should come back to that and and [TS]

00:53:14   in the true spirit of book clubs [TS]

00:53:16   everywhere before we go we should say [TS]

00:53:17   what we're going to talk about next time [TS]

00:53:19   and I think Lisa you said that we should [TS]

00:53:21   talk about planetary is whatever [TS]

00:53:24   interesting for ya [TS]

00:53:26   so let's let's talk about planetary [TS]

00:53:27   although you know we could be like [TS]

00:53:28   planetary and promised to talk about [TS]

00:53:30   planetary for for almost a decade of [TS]

00:53:31   quickly get around to be over but next [TS]

00:53:34   time we'll monitor that will be our sign [TS]

00:53:35   off from now on I will tell you exactly [TS]

00:53:38   yeah well apparently discussion the next [TS]

00:53:40   thing you know I'm sure we'll have I'm [TS]

00:53:42   sure have a lot to say about robot [TS]

00:53:43   nannies you've already you've already uh [TS]

00:53:45   I've already pushed out planetary one [TS]

00:53:48   time an amazing looking at Terry so stay [TS]

00:53:52   tuned next time where you have no idea [TS]

00:53:53   what you're gonna hear yes and babies [TS]

00:53:55   would-be planetary neither babies [TS]

00:53:57   talking about planetary well we'll find [TS]

00:53:59   out what what what Lisa's daughter [TS]

00:54:00   thinks about planets which is probably [TS]

00:54:03   yeah probably you can get instant yes [TS]

00:54:07   it's either that or sleeping [TS]

00:54:08   yeah alright well this has been great [TS]

00:54:10   it's great to be back with you guys I i [TS]

00:54:11   look forward to doing this a little more [TS]

00:54:14   often now that now that is the new year [TS]

00:54:15   and and and we're all back in and leases [TS]

00:54:18   leases back with us know which is great [TS]

00:54:21   it's great to have you back in and gets [TS]

00:54:23   it and again congratulations on the [TS]

00:54:25   birth of your daughter it's fantastic [TS]

00:54:27   really happy for you [TS]

00:54:28   it was nice talking to you guys today [TS]

00:54:30   yeah this is great [TS]

00:54:31   alright so everybody thanks for joining [TS]

00:54:33   us on the incomparable podcast for for [TS]

00:54:36   Jason Reitman and Lisa Schmeisser I'm [TS]

00:54:37   Jason Snelling thanks for being here [TS]

00:54:39   we'll see you next time [TS]

00:54:40   this has been the incomparable podcast [TS]

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