The Incomparable

20: Everyone`s a Redshirt in Real Life


00:00:08   the incomparable podcast number of [TS]

00:00:11   Plenty television for january 2011 we [TS]

00:00:19   are back on the incomparable podcast the [TS]

00:00:21   topic today is television and in this [TS]

00:00:24   case we're going to be talking about the [TS]

00:00:26   AMC TV series which premiered on [TS]

00:00:29   Halloween and ran for six episodes in [TS]

00:00:32   its first season the walking dead it was [TS]

00:00:34   a big hit it's coming back later in 2011 [TS]

00:00:37   for a second season so we're going to [TS]

00:00:39   talk about the walking dead based on the [TS]

00:00:40   comic book written by robert kirkman and [TS]

00:00:44   called it was called um hello kitty vs [TS]

00:00:49   mario oh they took some liberties [TS]

00:00:53   yeah joining me today to discuss hello [TS]

00:00:56   kitty vs mario are my guests [TS]

00:00:59   John Syracuse's here hey John hey Jason [TS]

00:01:02   what's up [TS]

00:01:03   uh-huh we will see we will see because [TS]

00:01:06   our other guest is the incomparable [TS]

00:01:09   Steve let's i was going to say brains [TS]

00:01:12   but considering that that the source [TS]

00:01:16   material was hello kitty vs mario i [TS]

00:01:19   guess i'll be more period of the source [TS]

00:01:21   material and go with its me I'm spoiler [TS]

00:01:24   alert Mario in here in the comic Mario [TS]

00:01:27   wins and kills allocating ah thank God [TS]

00:01:31   yeah but they changed it for the TV [TS]

00:01:34   series among other things I didn't even [TS]

00:01:37   notice Mario in the TV series i'm really [TS]

00:01:41   just trample all over the source [TS]

00:01:42   material [TS]

00:01:43   Mario is he said it but he's a very [TS]

00:01:45   minor character he saw his office had [TS]

00:01:47   been you don't see him again that was [TS]

00:01:49   him that was anyway so the walking dead [TS]

00:01:52   six episodes I you know huge ratings [TS]

00:01:57   success for AMC that this is the network [TS]

00:01:58   that puts on TV series that are [TS]

00:02:01   critically acclaimed in yet nobody [TS]

00:02:03   watches like bad men and breaking bad [TS]

00:02:06   and in this case they have to show that [TS]

00:02:07   while acclaimed is also actually [TS]

00:02:09   successful which is kind of surprising [TS]

00:02:11   given that this is a a TV show about you [TS]

00:02:16   know hungry zombies and a zombie [TS]

00:02:19   apocalypse but let's get to the [TS]

00:02:21   popularity of the comic by asking Jason [TS]

00:02:23   did you read the comic i did I i have in [TS]

00:02:26   fact with me here i have walking dead [TS]

00:02:28   compendium which is I think the first 49 [TS]

00:02:31   issues of so had you read it before you [TS]

00:02:34   knew there was going to be TV show made [TS]

00:02:36   from it [TS]

00:02:37   yes I had obviously had so do you think [TS]

00:02:39   I'm trying to gauge how much of the [TS]

00:02:42   response of the television show is based [TS]

00:02:44   on all the comics were popular therefore [TS]

00:02:46   when they heard they were gonna make a [TS]

00:02:47   TV show I was kind of like they made a [TS]

00:02:49   spider-man TV show we did like a spider [TS]

00:02:51   man i love spider-man you're right i WS [TS]

00:02:53   it's a independent comic it's kind of a [TS]

00:02:55   cult comics black-and-white is nobody [TS]

00:02:57   read except for extreme geeks that [TS]

00:02:59   doesn't explain the popularity i think i [TS]

00:03:01   think so i think i think they had a [TS]

00:03:02   really savvy marketing campaign and [TS]

00:03:04   they'd really talked it up at comic-con [TS]

00:03:06   and they built some sort of buzz on you [TS]

00:03:08   know they did all the right kind of [TS]

00:03:10   pre-show marketing things at the [TS]

00:03:12   previous four phenomenal yeah but we've [TS]

00:03:14   seen that you can appeal to that kind of [TS]

00:03:16   geek audience and and you have a [TS]

00:03:18   terrible failure ratings wise because [TS]

00:03:21   it's just not a big enough audience on [TS]

00:03:22   its own and the fact is that they got [TS]

00:03:25   they got a lot more than that which i'm [TS]

00:03:27   not quite sure how they pulled it off [TS]

00:03:28   but Steve's right that the previews were [TS]

00:03:30   great and the buzz was good and the [TS]

00:03:32   reviews were good [TS]

00:03:33   certainly there's at least some [TS]

00:03:34   percentage of comic book geeks that got [TS]

00:03:36   dragged and I mean you guys go doubt i [TS]

00:03:38   think both of you were amongst those who [TS]

00:03:40   claim to be not fans of horror in any [TS]

00:03:43   and i don't know if i miss representing [TS]

00:03:45   John here but Jason my servants well [TS]

00:03:47   this debate about what's referred to as [TS]

00:03:49   horror but yeah in general I would say [TS]

00:03:52   that I Walking Dead certainly applies [TS]

00:03:54   I don't know we'll get to that huh I [TS]

00:03:57   feel like John is almost the host of the [TS]

00:03:59   he's asking me questions telling us what [TS]

00:04:01   we'll get to later and I think that's I [TS]

00:04:03   think that's interesting but it is true [TS]

00:04:04   I i like the comic i had a you know [TS]

00:04:08   recommended to me and i found that it [TS]

00:04:12   was yeah I thought it was I thought it [TS]

00:04:14   was great although it is you know kind [TS]

00:04:15   of brutal and there's really gruesome [TS]

00:04:17   stuff in it but it's a it's it's drama I [TS]

00:04:20   mean it's not just about the zombies [TS]

00:04:22   right it it's about it's about the [TS]

00:04:25   people and in many ways the people are [TS]

00:04:27   are the problem not the zombies with the [TS]

00:04:31   background would be a zombie utopia it [TS]

00:04:33   wasn't for those damn people [TS]

00:04:35   uh that's that's kind of the classic [TS]

00:04:37   thing with the zombie films is more [TS]

00:04:41   often than not that the zombies you know [TS]

00:04:43   that they play a part but really they're [TS]

00:04:45   just background for whatever human drama [TS]

00:04:48   or whatever flyballs of humanity the the [TS]

00:04:50   filmmaker wants to highlight in Romero [TS]

00:04:53   in particular used it basically all of [TS]

00:04:55   his films are some sort of commentary on [TS]

00:04:57   you know that the flaws of man and [TS]

00:05:00   consumerism and you know how people fall [TS]

00:05:03   apart when they're stuck in a room [TS]

00:05:04   together and they're supposed to work [TS]

00:05:06   together and yet they can do nothing but [TS]

00:05:08   the beat up on each other and make a [TS]

00:05:10   mess of things that there's a lot of [TS]

00:05:12   bothers me about zombies and that's one [TS]

00:05:13   of them that their their antagonists [TS]

00:05:15   that is never a character right like [TS]

00:05:19   even think some cliched as vampires [TS]

00:05:22   vampires have motivations and you can [TS]

00:05:24   you know they can be characters in your [TS]

00:05:25   story and you can you know but zombies [TS]

00:05:29   might as well be like bad weather or you [TS]

00:05:31   know or or disease or men they are kinda [TS]

00:05:35   that's what that's what I was gonna say [TS]

00:05:36   zombie stories are man versus nature [TS]

00:05:39   basically that they you know it the [TS]

00:05:42   nature is the zombie plague of the [TS]

00:05:44   zombies are in the background and [TS]

00:05:45   they're dangerous and they'll kill you [TS]

00:05:47   but they're there they're serious like a [TS]

00:05:49   like a tornado or hurricane or something [TS]

00:05:52   is sort of out of your control and man [TS]

00:05:53   is helpless to you know to stop it it's [TS]

00:05:57   just an unstoppable force and how do you [TS]

00:05:59   deal with it's like whether they can [TS]

00:06:01   sneak up on you very slowly [TS]

00:06:03   yeah you know turning around the corner [TS]

00:06:05   oh my god this tornado I didn't hear the [TS]

00:06:07   wind even pick up but there is around [TS]

00:06:08   the corner [TS]

00:06:09   yeah and then eat your brains so the [TS]

00:06:13   walking dead series i don't know how we [TS]

00:06:15   want to work how we want to approach [TS]

00:06:17   this there are only six episodes in some [TS]

00:06:19   ways it you know I didn't really feel [TS]

00:06:21   like a seasoned it felt almost like a [TS]

00:06:22   miniseries or like the first part of a [TS]

00:06:25   of a season but i guess that they only [TS]

00:06:27   had time to shoot six episodes in order [TS]

00:06:29   to get it on the air when our they [TS]

00:06:31   intend to do more than six for the [TS]

00:06:33   second season the envelope there will be [TS]

00:06:35   13a a more traditional cable seriously [TS]

00:06:38   you know I i guess i could just throw it [TS]

00:06:40   out there to start as is you know of the [TS]

00:06:43   season as a whole and where I guess [TS]

00:06:45   firing up the sport over here [TS]

00:06:46   let's talk about the whole season add a [TS]

00:06:48   couple months to finish watching at the [TS]

00:06:50   pete's sake you already threw out the [TS]

00:06:52   cutoff hand so the spoiler horn has to [TS]

00:06:54   be 10 minutes haha man although there [TS]

00:06:57   will be a retroactive yeah well I'm you [TS]

00:06:59   diamond but anybody could have their [TS]

00:07:01   hand cut off you know one of the zombies [TS]

00:07:03   you even threw in this direction by [TS]

00:07:05   claiming it was Mario though so yeah [TS]

00:07:08   you're right you're right that's right [TS]

00:07:09   it was actually Luigi that you've done [TS]

00:07:12   it [TS]

00:07:12   no no no I I thought it was really [TS]

00:07:15   interesting that they as a reader of the [TS]

00:07:18   comic book that the the series does [TS]

00:07:19   diverge from the comic book and I [TS]

00:07:21   actually think it's kind of brilliant [TS]

00:07:22   because they know they've got an [TS]

00:07:23   audience that has read the source [TS]

00:07:25   material or will seek it out because [TS]

00:07:27   they like the show and so by throwing in [TS]

00:07:30   these some these divergent points from [TS]

00:07:33   the comic not only are they I think [TS]

00:07:34   maybe making it shaped better for TV [TS]

00:07:37   that the plot kind of maybe hangs [TS]

00:07:39   together better but i haven't I have not [TS]

00:07:42   read the comics so so explain what if [TS]

00:07:45   they added say well as well so so I'm [TS]

00:07:47   you know there's a lot of detail but [TS]

00:07:50   they focus on like going into Atlanta a [TS]

00:07:52   couple of times in the comic uh it in a [TS]

00:07:56   comic Rick goes into atlanta he meets [TS]

00:08:00   the eye [TS]

00:08:01   what's his name again with a baseball [TS]

00:08:03   cap asian guy [TS]

00:08:07   yeah the korean guy would anyway he [TS]

00:08:08   meets meets him and they basically saved [TS]

00:08:11   his bacon and ma and they escape they go [TS]

00:08:13   back to the the campus that's where they [TS]

00:08:16   meet everybody and in this we meet the [TS]

00:08:18   people sooner they have more of an [TS]

00:08:22   adventure in the in the city the first [TS]

00:08:24   time they go back to the city they added [TS]

00:08:27   this character of Merle the kind of [TS]

00:08:29   awful racist guy who they end up leaving [TS]

00:08:31   chained up on the roof and he and then [TS]

00:08:33   he falls off his own hand and gets away [TS]

00:08:35   I never would've guessed up as I'm like [TS]

00:08:37   all this galaxy straight out of a comic [TS]

00:08:39   book i guess i know nothing about comics [TS]

00:08:41   but he just seemed like a comic book [TS]

00:08:42   character that you can see is that [TS]

00:08:43   entire plot shred of them leaving them [TS]

00:08:45   on the roof completely completely fresh [TS]

00:08:48   material that's completely fresh Lyle [TS]

00:08:50   the visit to the CDC to visit the the [TS]

00:08:54   guy who talks to his computer and [TS]

00:08:56   presses buttons and does research on all [TS]

00:08:59   on his own [TS]

00:09:00   the in the CDC in the last episode is [TS]

00:09:02   completely off the path of the of the [TS]

00:09:05   comic that guy doesn't really exist in [TS]

00:09:07   the comic and then I think the most [TS]

00:09:08   notable thing is that Rick finds out [TS]

00:09:11   that his wife and Shane were sleeping [TS]

00:09:14   together when he was presumed dead very [TS]

00:09:16   early in the story i don't think they [TS]

00:09:19   change that just made the character of [TS]

00:09:20   risk extremely dumb and unobserved it's [TS]

00:09:23   coming into the camp and everyone else [TS]

00:09:25   knows and Rises like I think you that's [TS]

00:09:28   just a storyline that they wanted to [TS]

00:09:30   defer but but the the fallout of that [TS]

00:09:33   through various means in the comic [TS]

00:09:36   spoiler alert for the comic air is that [TS]

00:09:39   a shame is killed very early on as well [TS]

00:09:44   and that he's still kicking and at you [TS]

00:09:48   know so huge some huge divergences at [TS]

00:09:50   and yet it's also in many ways so much [TS]

00:09:53   like the comic but somebody read the [TS]

00:09:55   comic I think that's great because I [TS]

00:09:56   think I know what's coming but I [TS]

00:09:58   actually know that I don't that I might [TS]

00:10:00   know what the the the Ark is in general [TS]

00:10:03   and would love to see them go to the you [TS]

00:10:05   know there's a prison that they get to [TS]

00:10:07   a-1 alright don't spoil I'm just I'm [TS]

00:10:09   just saying there's a prison they get to [TS]

00:10:10   one point and there's a whole bunch of [TS]

00:10:12   stories that take place about you know [TS]

00:10:13   what's going on the prison and I assume [TS]

00:10:17   they'll get there but how they get there [TS]

00:10:19   and what they do when they're there i [TS]

00:10:20   really don't know and that's great [TS]

00:10:22   because I i can watch the show while [TS]

00:10:25   appreciating its relationship to that [TS]

00:10:26   comic book without actually having it [TS]

00:10:29   kind of rec the suspense in any way [TS]

00:10:32   which is it's really it's a nice trick [TS]

00:10:33   by frank darabont who's the executive [TS]

00:10:36   producer and Robert Kirkman who's the [TS]

00:10:38   writer of the comic who worked very [TS]

00:10:40   closely with them and they actually even [TS]

00:10:42   wrote one of the six episodes so what is [TS]

00:10:44   the fact that the comic guy is helping [TS]

00:10:46   into adapted is that keeping the fanboys [TS]

00:10:49   at bay screaming that they've you know [TS]

00:10:50   go off book and although that seems to [TS]

00:10:53   be the template now because they're [TS]

00:10:54   doing that with Game of Thrones which is [TS]

00:10:57   based on the george RR r george RR that [TS]

00:11:00   was too many R's Martin novels is five [TS]

00:11:03   bars and very very complex guy is I'm [TS]

00:11:05   actually excited about Game of Thrones [TS]

00:11:07   even though I've never read the source [TS]

00:11:09   material probably never would [TS]

00:11:10   a good stuff it really good books but [TS]

00:11:13   what they've done with george RR martin [TS]

00:11:15   is he's writing an episode of the first [TS]

00:11:17   season of Game of Thrones or has written [TS]

00:11:18   and I think there is something to that [TS]

00:11:21   of a kind of co-opting the creator and [TS]

00:11:24   having him be involved so that you can't [TS]

00:11:27   say you bastardized the work because I'm [TS]

00:11:30   and creator as it as an ambassador of [TS]

00:11:32   the show then just think about how many [TS]

00:11:34   adaptation of stephen king has been [TS]

00:11:36   involved in his own work and they've [TS]

00:11:37   been off [TS]

00:11:38   oh so it's not always a Tennessee it so [TS]

00:11:41   it seems to be in a comic fanboys you [TS]

00:11:43   run the risk of of having the fanbase [TS]

00:11:45   turn against the guy [TS]

00:11:46   if if what he writes ends up being [TS]

00:11:48   crappy well I think that's always the [TS]

00:11:50   risk right and i think that with walking [TS]

00:11:52   dead it paid off in a way that some of [TS]

00:11:54   the Stephen King stuff for example [TS]

00:11:56   didn't is walking dead it turns out to [TS]

00:11:57   hit it's generally liked and so you know [TS]

00:12:00   everybody's happy and and because it's [TS]

00:12:02   generally liked and it's doing well the [TS]

00:12:04   fact that it diverges from the cannon [TS]

00:12:06   doesn't seem to matter and and it is [TS]

00:12:08   faithful in many other ways i mean there [TS]

00:12:10   were shots in it that are just right out [TS]

00:12:12   of the comics you know Rick and his hat [TS]

00:12:14   and his uniform and all that I'd love to [TS]

00:12:16   do that using just waiting to little [TS]

00:12:19   comic book frame to appear posterized [TS]

00:12:21   around the still image before they go to [TS]

00:12:22   commercial right yeah in some ways I [TS]

00:12:24   think it's Kirkman also working with [TS]

00:12:27   working with the youth the writers to [TS]

00:12:29   almost to a revision of his story it's [TS]

00:12:32   almost like a second draft so you know I [TS]

00:12:34   I the CDC think I mean the story in the [TS]

00:12:36   comics starts out around Atlanta and [TS]

00:12:39   nobody thought or Kirkman didn't think [TS]

00:12:41   you know there's a whole infectious [TS]

00:12:43   diseases center in Atlanta that might be [TS]

00:12:46   relevant and it's so when you watching [TS]

00:12:48   TV with like of course they go to the [TS]

00:12:50   CDC but the comic he just didn't think [TS]

00:12:51   of it so they you know that's a good [TS]

00:12:53   idea it's like hate [TS]

00:12:55   I should put that in there so they did [TS]

00:12:56   pretty sure the CDC is not rigged to [TS]

00:12:58   explode in a fireball just saying that [TS]

00:13:01   it would that be awesome that seems like [TS]

00:13:03   you know they got a little automatic did [TS]

00:13:06   I imagine it wouldn't look like CGI as [TS]

00:13:09   rendered by in 20 was yeah it was pretty [TS]

00:13:12   test pretty deadly awful now I don't see [TS]

00:13:15   they burnt there was ok [TS]

00:13:17   they burned their budget on practical [TS]

00:13:18   make-up effect well that's true that's [TS]

00:13:21   true so Steve as a as a whole [TS]

00:13:24   bit of a horror aficionado yes sir how [TS]

00:13:26   did it how did the show work for you [TS]

00:13:29   ah it worked great for me in a lot of [TS]

00:13:32   ways maybe it's just it's a delight to [TS]

00:13:35   have a weekly show that kind of caters [TS]

00:13:38   to the sort of niche interest in our [TS]

00:13:43   which is something I thought I'd never [TS]

00:13:45   see particularly with this much [TS]

00:13:48   no legitimate gore and and horror [TS]

00:13:50   set-pieces it didn't disappoint me in [TS]

00:13:53   some ways part of what i thought was so [TS]

00:13:58   great about the idea of having a weekly [TS]

00:13:59   series on zombies is that I think one of [TS]

00:14:03   the biggest failings of the of zombie [TS]

00:14:05   films and and horror films in general is [TS]

00:14:08   that you've got maybe an hour and a half [TS]

00:14:10   with the characters and you've got to [TS]

00:14:13   get to the killing [TS]

00:14:14   so character development is basically [TS]

00:14:16   non-existent in your average horror film [TS]

00:14:18   you know most of the characters get this [TS]

00:14:20   sort of thumbnail sketch personality and [TS]

00:14:23   then they're killed off or you know [TS]

00:14:24   there's one guy that gets a little more [TS]

00:14:25   screen time and he's the survivor and I [TS]

00:14:29   figured you know we've got seven hours [TS]

00:14:31   of material here to work with maybe [TS]

00:14:34   we'll get a bit more in the realm of a [TS]

00:14:36   you know getting some more fleshed-out [TS]

00:14:38   characters that we care about so that we [TS]

00:14:39   have a bit more concerned about the [TS]

00:14:42   characters and and we don't want to see [TS]

00:14:44   them dispatched and and I didn't really [TS]

00:14:47   get that from the walking dead at least [TS]

00:14:49   not to the extent that i was hoping i [TS]

00:14:51   would I you know we still six hours in [TS]

00:14:54   six hours i feel like you know they're [TS]

00:14:56   they're still in many ways going through [TS]

00:14:58   the setup case right and the people we [TS]

00:14:59   did seed I did sort of feel like they [TS]

00:15:02   were thumbnail sketches right and it [TS]

00:15:06   could just simply be that they're trying [TS]

00:15:08   to get off on the right foot with the [TS]

00:15:09   fan base and and with the horror fans [TS]

00:15:11   and and then they can maybe slow down a [TS]

00:15:14   bit in the second season having [TS]

00:15:16   successfully sold that one having a jam [TS]

00:15:18   enough story and 26 episodes to make it [TS]

00:15:21   feel like there was a story there i [TS]

00:15:22   think actually hurt them III think you [TS]

00:15:26   could see that there were there are [TS]

00:15:27   points where was rushed and i think that [TS]

00:15:30   in terms of character and sometimes in [TS]

00:15:31   terms of the plot that that it did feel [TS]

00:15:34   a little bit like they were they were [TS]

00:15:36   jamming 13-episode [TS]

00:15:38   sir or 10 episodes into the six and it [TS]

00:15:40   just always fit [TS]

00:15:41   I mean there were a few really nice [TS]

00:15:43   moments like the the scene in the boat [TS]

00:15:45   with the two sisters discussing their [TS]

00:15:47   father and the different approaches he [TS]

00:15:49   taken to teaching them about fishing and [TS]

00:15:51   then you turn around you know an hour [TS]

00:15:54   later and the sisters dead and cycle [TS]

00:15:55   what the hell is why did i just get [TS]

00:15:57   invested in that so it's it seems like [TS]

00:16:01   they're they're still working on finding [TS]

00:16:03   there pacing yeah I guess I guess [TS]

00:16:05   they're you know you invite you invested [TS]

00:16:07   in that because you end up the other [TS]

00:16:08   sister is still there and now it's this [TS]

00:16:11   horrible trauma but but yeah I thought [TS]

00:16:15   was interesting in the last episode one [TS]

00:16:18   of the characters says I'm just gonna [TS]

00:16:21   stay in and blow myself up with the guy [TS]

00:16:23   here and you know what i thought was [TS]

00:16:28   well I don't know who you are i can't [TS]

00:16:30   remember your name [TS]

00:16:31   you wanna sell important her sole [TS]

00:16:34   character trait that I saw through the [TS]

00:16:35   previous episodes which she was one that [TS]

00:16:37   was always like rubbing somebody's back [TS]

00:16:39   or trying to you know we've lost our [TS]

00:16:41   masseuse helping the guy you know she's [TS]

00:16:43   holding the guy's hair while you barf in [TS]

00:16:45   a bucket is very helpful [TS]

00:16:47   she's dead yeah it's it seemed kind of [TS]

00:16:50   you know for the tiny little bit of [TS]

00:16:51   character that we had for her it seems [TS]

00:16:53   very out of character for her to decide [TS]

00:16:55   well you know I can't go on rubbing [TS]

00:16:58   people it's it's time to put into that [TS]

00:17:00   time to go time to die i die i did--like [TS]

00:17:05   i thought the last episode was very [TS]

00:17:06   interesting and that even after we'd [TS]

00:17:08   only been had five episodes with with [TS]

00:17:11   these characters to have them dropped in [TS]

00:17:13   to this weird world where he's got hot [TS]

00:17:16   water and electricity and it's clean and [TS]

00:17:19   there's this guy with his computer [TS]

00:17:21   you know I what I liked about it was [TS]

00:17:23   that it was really eerie that even after [TS]

00:17:24   that short period of time [TS]

00:17:26   normalcy of the root of something [TS]

00:17:28   reminds us of the real world you know [TS]

00:17:31   came a cop came across a strange and [TS]

00:17:33   creepy [TS]

00:17:34   although i kinda feel like again six [TS]

00:17:38   episodes in it doesn't maybe have the [TS]

00:17:40   impact that would have had 15 18 [TS]

00:17:43   episodes into finding this little pocket [TS]

00:17:45   of civilization but i liked it i thought [TS]

00:17:47   it was weird that you know that they get [TS]

00:17:49   there and it did I just I thought it was [TS]

00:17:51   such [TS]

00:17:51   strange change-of-pace the problem is [TS]

00:17:53   after five episodes do you need to [TS]

00:17:54   change of pace that fast [TS]

00:17:56   it's interesting that that's something [TS]

00:17:58   that wasn't in the comic because I'm [TS]

00:18:00   sorry graphic novel [TS]

00:18:02   no no it's accommodating credits is [TS]

00:18:04   based on the graphic novel and it's such [TS]

00:18:05   a lie it was it the you know they [TS]

00:18:08   eventually bound them up into [TS]

00:18:09   collections but it's a monthly [TS]

00:18:11   black-and-white comic book it was never [TS]

00:18:13   a graphic novel ever [TS]

00:18:15   ok they're just trying to lend an [TS]

00:18:17   opportunity to see that it doesn't [TS]

00:18:18   really deserve exactly if it was a great [TS]

00:18:21   black and white monthly comic book here [TS]

00:18:23   ok so it's interesting that the comic [TS]

00:18:25   didn't have that whole CD segment I it [TS]

00:18:28   and it makes me gives me the impression [TS]

00:18:30   that its sole purpose was to allow them [TS]

00:18:33   to tie up the sixth season are the 6 [TS]

00:18:35   episode arc of the first season a little [TS]

00:18:37   milepost of like oh and then they reach [TS]

00:18:39   the thing and that's interesting and [TS]

00:18:40   then and that he had never come to you [TS]

00:18:42   know the whole world presumably is in [TS]

00:18:45   the turmoil of the zombie apocalypse and [TS]

00:18:47   you know now there's no hope and they [TS]

00:18:49   kind of needed to send off i'm not sure [TS]

00:18:51   what was in the comic at that point I [TS]

00:18:53   mean obviously it's kind of fun durable [TS]

00:18:54   based on and what they want to do you [TS]

00:18:57   know with it with the TV show as opposed [TS]

00:18:59   to the comic but but I I'd be curious to [TS]

00:19:03   know what happens at that point in the [TS]

00:19:04   comic to see if there's just not a clear [TS]

00:19:06   endpoint for the series there and I [TS]

00:19:09   don't know I yeah I think I think maybe [TS]

00:19:11   it's a little hazy and the end up having [TS]

00:19:13   to abandon the camp and travel on and [TS]

00:19:15   have other adventures right and I think [TS]

00:19:17   maybe they wanted a crescendo that [TS]

00:19:19   wasn't just there's an attack on the [TS]

00:19:20   camp and a bunch of people died did you [TS]

00:19:23   did either of you guys get a lost five [TS]

00:19:26   from that last episode as well I felt [TS]

00:19:28   like I was watching a the house back in [TS]

00:19:30   the house / yeah yeah no it'sit's a guy [TS]

00:19:33   the other you're all of our characters [TS]

00:19:35   are out in the out in this terrible [TS]

00:19:37   world on the outside and all of a sudden [TS]

00:19:38   there's a dude inside a hermetically [TS]

00:19:41   sealed chamber who's got like running [TS]

00:19:43   water and and all the comforts of [TS]

00:19:45   civilization and we're going to that [TS]

00:19:47   last five they missed it by like a mile [TS]

00:19:50   well i don't think they were going for [TS]

00:19:51   but I I mean that's what I felt this [TS]

00:19:53   like it's like Desmond I mean they're [TS]

00:19:54   basically going in the hatch for another [TS]

00:19:56   like you said if you're going to this is [TS]

00:19:58   a full-length season [TS]

00:20:00   you wouldn't have gone into and out of [TS]

00:20:02   that CDC place in one episode there's [TS]

00:20:04   just no way [TS]

00:20:05   you know you would have you would have a [TS]

00:20:06   bigger lead up to it and you would spend [TS]

00:20:08   at least two episodes in the place on [TS]

00:20:10   which would have made the impact of the [TS]

00:20:13   guy you know blowing himself up more and [TS]

00:20:16   to which you're actually that's not in [TS]

00:20:17   the comic makes me worry like now that [TS]

00:20:19   you're telling me how far to the Virgin [TS]

00:20:21   everything from the comic the fact that [TS]

00:20:22   the whole CDC wasn't in there uh I guess [TS]

00:20:24   like I mean I guess it was just like it [TS]

00:20:26   came in when things sort of cleaned up [TS]

00:20:27   after itself so it's not going to be an [TS]

00:20:29   issue but I i had issues with the whole [TS]

00:20:31   season and and hearing that these things [TS]

00:20:35   were added to kind of you know tie up [TS]

00:20:37   those 136 and a little bow makes me [TS]

00:20:39   worry more for the the next season but [TS]

00:20:41   we'll see [TS]

00:20:41   it's it's a judge actually just brought [TS]

00:20:44   to mind something that now seems a [TS]

00:20:48   little odd which is that I think just [TS]

00:20:50   before the the team in the RV shows up [TS]

00:20:52   at the CDC location wasn't he talking to [TS]

00:20:56   his monitor and telling it he was [TS]

00:20:57   considering blowing blowing his brains [TS]

00:20:59   out the next day right right correct one [TS]

00:21:02   changes from one to the next today the [TS]

00:21:04   day that he was due to die in a huge [TS]

00:21:06   explosion with no pain anyway [TS]

00:21:08   actually the impression I got was that [TS]

00:21:10   the by letting the people in and letting [TS]

00:21:12   them use the facilities he was [TS]

00:21:13   accelerating the end of the yeah the [TS]

00:21:16   Scylla it was on creating all the hot [TS]

00:21:18   water and everything but I thought that [TS]

00:21:21   you know i thought i was going to ask [TS]

00:21:22   them specifically not to use too much of [TS]

00:21:24   via his character was messed up because [TS]

00:21:26   if he's gonna be like you know a crazy [TS]

00:21:29   suicidal where he'll lie to them and say [TS]

00:21:31   you know who I'm a crazy person but I'm [TS]

00:21:32   going to act normal turnout used too [TS]

00:21:34   much hot water up now we're all going to [TS]

00:21:35   die [TS]

00:21:35   that wasn't his character they didn't [TS]

00:21:37   play him is crazy he was rational the [TS]

00:21:38   whole time but he acted like a crazy [TS]

00:21:40   person you know a rational person would [TS]

00:21:42   have been more upfront about the [TS]

00:21:45   situation they were in or whatever and a [TS]

00:21:46   crazy person would have hit to the end [TS]

00:21:48   not add any rationale for he was doing [TS]

00:21:50   so that black character was messed up [TS]

00:21:53   yeah it looks like in the comic steved [TS]

00:21:56   answer your question they after they [TS]

00:22:01   abandon a camp they basically they go [TS]

00:22:03   they leave their and they're in the [TS]

00:22:05   neighborhood briefly but there's too [TS]

00:22:07   many walkers there and then they set out [TS]

00:22:08   again to go to they end up finding this [TS]

00:22:12   prison anyway without getting into the [TS]

00:22:14   details is it a sizable are coming just [TS]

00:22:17   over the horizon and they [TS]

00:22:18   yeah I want to get into that yeah i [TS]

00:22:20   think so so they wanted something to end [TS]

00:22:22   that wasn't just let's abandon the camp [TS]

00:22:23   and so they drop in the the CDC thing [TS]

00:22:27   which wouldn't be bad because the whole [TS]

00:22:28   the attack on the campus is kind of a [TS]

00:22:31   big moment I mean it'sit's when they're [TS]

00:22:33   they no longer have a safe house yeah [TS]

00:22:35   and doesn't feel like more of a capture [TS]

00:22:37   them then running away from an explosion [TS]

00:22:39   behind them as they leap onto Matt's [TS]

00:22:40   with a blue-screen beyond and had that [TS]

00:22:42   been episode 6 they could maybe [TS]

00:22:44   stretched it out a bit and added some of [TS]

00:22:46   the character development and I so [TS]

00:22:47   desperately crave well i think i know [TS]

00:22:50   why they did the CDC thing and I it gets [TS]

00:22:52   back to my I don't know you can I think [TS]

00:22:55   you can blame the show for this little [TS]

00:22:56   bit but a lot of residue with [TS]

00:22:57   expectations my main complaint about the [TS]

00:22:59   show so it sounds like you have a [TS]

00:23:00   unifying theory on the show yeah I have [TS]

00:23:03   unifying theory for me I didn't know [TS]

00:23:05   anything about the comic and I saw the [TS]

00:23:07   ad campaign and it's like you know AMC [TS]

00:23:10   with that deep gravelly voice guy you [TS]

00:23:12   know telling you about this series is [TS]

00:23:14   going to be zombies but when it's going [TS]

00:23:15   to be serious right and so from the ad [TS]

00:23:18   campaign what I was thinking was that [TS]

00:23:19   this was going to be like a gritty [TS]

00:23:22   realistic not haha fun time not schlocky [TS]

00:23:25   horror zombie thing you know but like a [TS]

00:23:31   drama with zombies in it right [TS]

00:23:33   sci-fi setting type of thing but very [TS]

00:23:35   you know very grim and dire and [TS]

00:23:37   realistic pride and prejudice and [TS]

00:23:39   zombies not quite at and front like in [TS]

00:23:43   the opening episode that was pretty much [TS]

00:23:46   the case until basically the the [TS]

00:23:51   flashback of you know presume beat I'm [TS]

00:23:53   fine with that the guy walking around [TS]

00:23:55   around posts on but i'm not really [TS]

00:23:56   saying anything he's by himself on with [TS]

00:23:58   that he's in the hospital he wakes up as [TS]

00:24:01   soon as he like found another human and [TS]

00:24:03   start having dialogue the series started [TS]

00:24:05   to go off here so I was like this is not [TS]

00:24:07   what i was expecting i was expecting [TS]

00:24:09   it's either going to be zombies have [TS]

00:24:11   taken over and the world was a big mess [TS]

00:24:13   and this is a series about how the world [TS]

00:24:14   is a big best or zombies have taken over [TS]

00:24:16   and this is the story of a bunch of [TS]

00:24:18   people who have no idea why and it's [TS]

00:24:20   realistic and gritty and it's going to [TS]

00:24:22   be a character drama and the stroke [TS]

00:24:24   seems to want to have it both ways [TS]

00:24:25   because the CDC episode was there to say [TS]

00:24:27   let's tell you about the world you know [TS]

00:24:29   let's of these people learn about the [TS]

00:24:31   world in the situation [TS]

00:24:32   and you know the same thing to do any [TS]

00:24:33   kind of movie where they have to have at [TS]

00:24:34   some point some exposition it says and [TS]

00:24:36   this is you know you've been in your own [TS]

00:24:38   little world let me tell you what [TS]

00:24:39   happened in the rest of the world [TS]

00:24:40   masami's are everywhere and here's how [TS]

00:24:41   it happened and started this thing and [TS]

00:24:43   blah blah blah that's a different kind [TS]

00:24:44   of story then you're a guy you're in the [TS]

00:24:47   zombie apocalypse you're never going to [TS]

00:24:48   know what happened to the rest of the [TS]

00:24:49   world with the point of the zombie [TS]

00:24:50   apocalypse just one day the zombies [TS]

00:24:52   everywhere the world went crazy [TS]

00:24:53   especially if you're in the hospital [TS]

00:24:55   you don't know what happened and then if [TS]

00:24:57   you were in the hospital you came out [TS]

00:24:58   and you met this guy and he's like a [TS]

00:24:59   zombie took over when you talk to him a [TS]

00:25:01   little bit more about that way to second [TS]

00:25:03   zombies took over can you explain to me [TS]

00:25:04   exactly you know what you're talking [TS]

00:25:06   about now they never talked about is [TS]

00:25:07   like okay [TS]

00:25:07   zombies I'm on the ground I'm okay with [TS]

00:25:09   that immediately I have no questions for [TS]

00:25:11   you I have no doubt you know that it [TS]

00:25:15   just don't get it seemed is not just as [TS]

00:25:18   condensed it seemed more or less [TS]

00:25:21   realistic than i wanted so so I'm a [TS]

00:25:23   little confused because i'm not sure you [TS]

00:25:25   can't have it both ways yeah I guess see [TS]

00:25:27   you [TS]

00:25:28   you either wanted you know if they [TS]

00:25:30   wanted to be like it was a realistic [TS]

00:25:32   story of you know what would happen if [TS]

00:25:33   zombies over numbers are ridiculous [TS]

00:25:35   anyway but fine [TS]

00:25:36   I the characters wouldn't be as calm [TS]

00:25:40   well-adjusted and speak in kind of [TS]

00:25:42   condensed fiction sound bites as they do [TS]

00:25:45   here there would be much less confidence [TS]

00:25:48   much more sloppy meaningless death and [TS]

00:25:52   much more discussion and doubt about [TS]

00:25:55   what's going on in these people who seem [TS]

00:25:57   to seem to be like when a zombie show on [TS]

00:25:59   this character that your this character [TS]

00:26:01   let's go [TS]

00:26:02   well is it isn't that the purpose of [TS]

00:26:03   having him wake up after it's been a [TS]

00:26:05   zombie apocalypse for a while is that [TS]

00:26:07   you know we don't have to see everybody [TS]

00:26:10   else but he's already had those [TS]

00:26:11   discussions yeah but the survivors who's [TS]

00:26:13   to say the survivors are going to rain [TS]

00:26:15   you know as we've seen from the guys [TS]

00:26:17   coming into the camera to say the [TS]

00:26:18   survivors or any more competent than [TS]

00:26:19   just the lucky ones it's early enough in [TS]

00:26:21   the zombie apocalypse that it's not like [TS]

00:26:23   saying we're the ones who are left to [TS]

00:26:24   the ones who really know how to survive [TS]

00:26:25   in zombieland now that they are just [TS]

00:26:27   lucky at this point this is is this an [TS]

00:26:29   alternate reality where a zombie movies [TS]

00:26:32   have never existed [TS]

00:26:34   it strikes me that that they should [TS]

00:26:36   probably already know pretty much all of [TS]

00:26:38   the metal zombie tropes you know it's [TS]

00:26:40   like she had been ahead [TS]

00:26:41   problem the problem is that all the fans [TS]

00:26:43   think like we've seen zombie movies and [TS]

00:26:45   I bet if i was in a zombie apocalypse I [TS]

00:26:46   would know just what to do but in [TS]

00:26:47   reality if you know if you're in an [TS]

00:26:49   actual zombie apocalypse and replace [TS]

00:26:51   Tommy's with any kind of you know [TS]

00:26:52   existential threat like weather or the [TS]

00:26:54   Quaker plague no one actually knows what [TS]

00:26:57   to do because your emotions overwhelm [TS]

00:26:58   you and you you know unless you're like [TS]

00:26:59   a military soldier or something or [TS]

00:27:01   someone with this type of training you [TS]

00:27:03   can handle these situations no one's [TS]

00:27:04   like common collected and I mean you [TS]

00:27:06   know i'm gonna i wish i had the reality [TS]

00:27:09   whistle or something like that that was [TS]

00:27:10   right next to the spoiler home again I'm [TS]

00:27:13   you know because Johnny it's it's just [TS]

00:27:15   so it's a show about zombies at and what [TS]

00:27:17   what is the purpose of any kind of drama [TS]

00:27:19   its to its to put characters and [TS]

00:27:22   situations where interesting things how [TS]

00:27:24   I know I know I i'm not saying it like I [TS]

00:27:27   i preface this by saying is they're [TS]

00:27:29   mostly a factor of my expectations and I [TS]

00:27:31   was I was expecting that this would be a [TS]

00:27:34   zombie drama that took a realistic [TS]

00:27:36   gritty approach what it would really be [TS]

00:27:38   like of zombies took over and less [TS]

00:27:40   likely NYPD blue of zombie movies yeah [TS]

00:27:43   that type of thing and if it can't be [TS]

00:27:45   that the other alternatives to say fine [TS]

00:27:47   it's not going to be you know that we're [TS]

00:27:49   not going to go for that type of thing [TS]

00:27:50   the characters are all going to be our [TS]

00:27:52   unrealistically well-adjusted and able [TS]

00:27:55   to handle this these amazing scenarios [TS]

00:27:57   and just going to have Laurel dramatic [TS]

00:27:59   things that happened to them they could [TS]

00:28:00   just what happened in any other [TS]

00:28:02   situation but the background happens to [TS]

00:28:03   be zombies and then you if you did that [TS]

00:28:04   really well you get something like lost [TS]

00:28:06   where the background is fantastical but [TS]

00:28:07   the stories are about you know I mommy [TS]

00:28:09   didn't love me my dad beat me you know [TS]

00:28:11   i'm still trying to wrap myself my head [TS]

00:28:14   around unrealistically just I mean that [TS]

00:28:15   there is a characters in The Walking [TS]

00:28:17   Dead who are then there's the guy who is [TS]

00:28:19   digging holes [TS]

00:28:21   there's the you know there are not like [TS]

00:28:22   and don't get me started the guy digging [TS]

00:28:23   holes the guy is not funded under the [TS]

00:28:26   other guy that the they don't seem to [TS]

00:28:29   have it together that much I think [TS]

00:28:30   you're giving them to my friends they [TS]

00:28:32   seem pretty calm and they don't they [TS]

00:28:34   don't react to each other or the [TS]

00:28:36   situation with in ways that real power [TS]

00:28:38   which again is it's just not the show I [TS]

00:28:40   was expecting [TS]

00:28:41   I don't agree at all that they seem [TS]

00:28:43   pretty calm I i think they all seem [TS]

00:28:45   pretty messed up and they don't seem [TS]

00:28:46   calm when they're served in the [TS]

00:28:48   department store they don't seem like [TS]

00:28:49   that calm when they're at the camp and [TS]

00:28:52   even when they're at the camp it's you [TS]

00:28:54   know you get the sense [TS]

00:28:55   that's kind of a false calmness because [TS]

00:28:57   there to there they don't know what else [TS]

00:28:58   to do right there just kind of trapped [TS]

00:29:00   there and they look like they were just [TS]

00:29:02   out camping and why are they think that [TS]

00:29:04   just hanging out in the woods they're [TS]

00:29:05   safe because Bobby's can't walk i mean [TS]

00:29:07   there was I would expect to see much [TS]

00:29:08   more discussion and argument and chaos [TS]

00:29:11   about what the correct thing to do was [TS]

00:29:13   rather than two weeks in the zombie [TS]

00:29:14   apocalypse settling in a camp [TS]

00:29:16   no I'm just trying to picture your [TS]

00:29:18   expectation is a TV show and it strikes [TS]

00:29:20   me as being kind of a unwatchable [TS]

00:29:22   shaky-cam screams and people yelling and [TS]

00:29:26   running around and dying constant [TS]

00:29:28   arguing it would be more able to be more [TS]

00:29:30   and like it's like you might as well [TS]

00:29:32   just put a bunch of people at a giant [TS]

00:29:34   blender and then watches the finger [TS]

00:29:36   presses the button and they'll get [TS]

00:29:37   chopped into little pieces [TS]

00:29:39   no I think of it this way I at this [TS]

00:29:41   would be to typical zombie genre things [TS]

00:29:45   as the wire is too typical stereotypical [TS]

00:29:48   cop show but he makes a good point [TS]

00:29:50   though because if you've ever watched [TS]

00:29:52   the original night of the living dead [TS]

00:29:53   basically the majority of that movie is [TS]

00:29:56   exactly that it's a carl hartman yelling [TS]

00:30:00   and and I just constant argument about [TS]

00:30:03   what the hell are they gonna do and you [TS]

00:30:05   know she doing in the basement do we you [TS]

00:30:08   know we do we board up the doors to [TS]

00:30:09   waste the the kerosene you know do we [TS]

00:30:12   run out to get that it's just it's just [TS]

00:30:13   back and forth arguing throughout the [TS]

00:30:15   majority of that film interstate with [TS]

00:30:18   the occasional cut of people in [TS]

00:30:19   bathrobes wandering around aimlessly out [TS]

00:30:21   in the yard and if you try to extend [TS]

00:30:24   that for more than an hour and a half or [TS]

00:30:26   so I think Jason's right at the thing is [TS]

00:30:29   for most of the people that doesn't last [TS]

00:30:31   more than an hour and a half because [TS]

00:30:32   they died because this to me pregnant [TS]

00:30:34   zombie bees and their know not everyone [TS]

00:30:37   is a survival this too can you know kill [TS]

00:30:39   without worrying about it and bury the [TS]

00:30:41   dead bodies and you know chop off their [TS]

00:30:42   heads and like people can't handle that [TS]

00:30:44   type of thing [TS]

00:30:45   well so what do we do next week then we [TS]

00:30:46   have an hour of of 20 other people [TS]

00:30:48   arguing and then being evil [TS]

00:30:50   eventually there will be enough you know [TS]

00:30:52   competent people left but even those [TS]

00:30:53   competent people be so screwed up that [TS]

00:30:55   you know it you'll end up with that [TS]

00:30:57   again i'm not saying this is this is the [TS]

00:30:58   series they should have made and I'm [TS]

00:31:00   just saying this is what I expected and [TS]

00:31:01   how it didn't go over my it didn't match [TS]

00:31:03   my expectations and going the other way [TS]

00:31:05   I would say that show a show like lost [TS]

00:31:07   where like I said they'd they'd have [TS]

00:31:10   normal you know television drama type [TS]

00:31:12   things with the fantastical background [TS]

00:31:13   but they do an amazingly good job and I [TS]

00:31:15   have to say I think the walking dead was [TS]

00:31:17   less high quality in terms of the [TS]

00:31:19   writing and and and plotting then then [TS]

00:31:22   lost or the early seasons of lost in [TS]

00:31:25   terms of performing as a regular TV show [TS]

00:31:29   not the realistic pretty thing that i'm [TS]

00:31:31   talking about i don't know if you guys [TS]

00:31:33   agree with that but I I mean not that I [TS]

00:31:35   thought it was bad but I thought that it [TS]

00:31:37   wasn't triple-a levels like double-a [TS]

00:31:39   agree if they have room to stretch out [TS]

00:31:42   in season two I feel like maybe I can [TS]

00:31:45   settle back in at as a different kind of [TS]

00:31:47   show but I felt like the way it was now [TS]

00:31:49   the the writing acting and story warrant [TS]

00:31:53   snappy enough for like for another [TS]

00:31:57   example like the west wing which is [TS]

00:31:58   ridiculous and silly but it's just so [TS]

00:31:59   damn snap you're like okay fine I'll go [TS]

00:32:01   along with you right [TS]

00:32:02   that's I don't know if there's a in the [TS]

00:32:04   West wait so okay so basically what [TS]

00:32:06   you're saying is you expected something [TS]

00:32:07   at the level of the west wing or the [TS]

00:32:09   wire west wing downloading a wire [TS]

00:32:11   reality i I just I just say you're [TS]

00:32:14   setting the bar so high rate based on no [TS]

00:32:16   no I'm saying this to separate two [TS]

00:32:19   separate things that could have been [TS]

00:32:20   like it could have been a gritty thing [TS]

00:32:21   like the wire but zombies right or it [TS]

00:32:23   could have been just a regular double a [TS]

00:32:26   triple a TV show like you know lost or [TS]

00:32:29   west wing or whatever and I was given [TS]

00:32:31   example shows that have flaws like West [TS]

00:32:33   Wing is ridiculous right on its face but [TS]

00:32:35   it has enough charm and greatness that [TS]

00:32:39   you're that you're willing to say all [TS]

00:32:40   West Wing you know I for one would love [TS]

00:32:43   to see a scene of two zombies ambling [TS]

00:32:45   down the street searching for three and [TS]

00:32:47   swoops around of him wanting at [TS]

00:32:49   Wentworth and it worked perfectly walk [TS]

00:32:51   with hobby would say to the other 104 LA [TS]

00:32:54   her [TS]

00:32:55   alright but it would Sparkle good [TS]

00:32:58   dialogue with sparkle so you know I i [TS]

00:33:01   agree with your point that i do think [TS]

00:33:03   that this is that the walking dead is [TS]

00:33:04   not uh at the same level as you know you [TS]

00:33:08   might expect a you know some of that six [TS]

00:33:11   episodes I II III think our arguments [TS]

00:33:16   about the about the show actually showed [TS]

00:33:17   that it's not an easy thing to do [TS]

00:33:21   take something smells like a zombie [TS]

00:33:23   apocalypse and say we're gonna do human [TS]

00:33:25   drama amid a zombie apocalypse I mean it [TS]

00:33:27   that's it that's actually kind of a [TS]

00:33:29   tough job and I think that they took a [TS]

00:33:30   crack at it and they got some of it [TS]

00:33:32   right and some of them are so boring [TS]

00:33:34   not so well yeah I mean the zombie [TS]

00:33:36   zombies are there to provide pressure on [TS]

00:33:39   the characters and write make everybody [TS]

00:33:42   upset and have death be you know [TS]

00:33:44   threatening moment and destroy the [TS]

00:33:46   civilization although getting back to [TS]

00:33:48   the horse I'd like me as a horse who [TS]

00:33:50   doesn't go to horror movies and doesn't [TS]

00:33:51   really like being scared by movies I was [TS]

00:33:54   not scared even remotely anything close [TS]

00:33:56   to being scared or nervous or in any way [TS]

00:33:59   emotionally upset or even startled by [TS]

00:34:02   anything in this me six episodes and the [TS]

00:34:05   other releases that I think it all that [TS]

00:34:06   was that was scary [TS]

00:34:08   now that I was expecting that but I'm [TS]

00:34:10   just saying like if you're going to [TS]

00:34:11   measure it in terms of you know from a [TS]

00:34:12   horror was who doesn't watch our movies [TS]

00:34:14   because he doesn't like to be scared for [TS]

00:34:16   thing is supposed to be you know grocer [TS]

00:34:18   scary they either didn't get me invested [TS]

00:34:21   enough and the characters or didn't put [TS]

00:34:23   you know because you can have you could [TS]

00:34:24   be nervous about a character like you [TS]

00:34:26   know well i can pick up these you know [TS]

00:34:28   that top of the game type of things but [TS]

00:34:29   like in silence of the lambs when the [TS]

00:34:31   guys got the night vision goggles on [TS]

00:34:32   he's got the hands going out to her and [TS]

00:34:34   everything like that that's not a [TS]

00:34:35   harvesting nothing jumps out at you put [TS]

00:34:37   your you're scared for that person in [TS]

00:34:38   that moment because you've spent an hour [TS]

00:34:40   and a half of a great movie watching [TS]

00:34:42   them little more action tonight it's [TS]

00:34:43   more than that it's more of action that [TS]

00:34:45   is horror intentions their attention and [TS]

00:34:48   running and gunplay and and actually the [TS]

00:34:51   dentition when they're rubbing the guts [TS]

00:34:53   on on their bodies and then have to [TS]

00:34:55   wander around and hope that the right [TS]

00:34:56   there zombies don't get them into the [TS]

00:34:58   rain comes down and i guess i guess if [TS]

00:34:59   you're squeamish that could have [TS]

00:35:00   bothered you i guess i'm not you know [TS]

00:35:03   yeah but that was a great i mean that's [TS]

00:35:04   a great scene that is in the comic and [TS]

00:35:06   that is a great scene and they really [TS]

00:35:07   did a great job of ratcheting up the [TS]

00:35:09   tension of you know okay we're out with [TS]

00:35:12   the zombies now although that was almost [TS]

00:35:14   played for comedy in terms of like a [TS]

00:35:15   look at this gross stuff you know but i [TS]

00:35:18   don't know if i would like when they [TS]

00:35:19   were doing the accent is comical when [TS]

00:35:21   they're dropping the axon the guy making [TS]

00:35:22   a squishy noises vs like it's it's [TS]

00:35:26   comical and you've gotta laugh kinda way [TS]

00:35:29   but it's right but compared to like [TS]

00:35:31   really something [TS]

00:35:32   movie likes or something which I would [TS]

00:35:33   never watch because i like Gore does get [TS]

00:35:36   to me if it's like real people being in [TS]

00:35:38   pain but like you're gonna take an ax to [TS]

00:35:39   an already dead zombie I guess it's hard [TS]

00:35:42   to do a scary with zombies with at least [TS]

00:35:46   with the lumbering variety of zombies [TS]

00:35:48   and not that you know the high speed [TS]

00:35:49   running basically a shapewear always on [TS]

00:35:52   the zombie yeah exactly it's yeah i mean [TS]

00:35:54   they're basically they just bump into [TS]

00:35:57   each other for the majority of their [TS]

00:35:59   screen time and I don't want to spoil it [TS]

00:36:02   but I assumed they would start getting [TS]

00:36:03   smarter or running faster as the series [TS]

00:36:05   goes on i guess and i don't see why I [TS]

00:36:07   mean we've already seen what happens [TS]

00:36:08   inside their brains as it doesn't have [TS]

00:36:10   the same stem fires around in a [TS]

00:36:12   shambling although you think they would [TS]

00:36:14   decompose after a time I think some of [TS]

00:36:18   them do but I mean yeah you eat they [TS]

00:36:22   basically just bump into each other and [TS]

00:36:25   wander the streets and any real sense of [TS]

00:36:27   dread you get from the lumbering zombie [TS]

00:36:29   is just the fear that you'll be [TS]

00:36:32   overwhelmed by so many of them that [TS]

00:36:33   you'll be unable to run past right or [TS]

00:36:36   surprised and it's so I mean you can't [TS]

00:36:38   really do a jump out at you moment [TS]

00:36:40   properly with the zombie and this is [TS]

00:36:41   true of of even the well-regarded zombie [TS]

00:36:44   films like you know the dawn of the dead [TS]

00:36:46   and those kind of movies now it's 28 [TS]

00:36:49   days later and i'm actually just watch [TS]

00:36:50   zombieland and I think it's obvious the [TS]

00:36:54   zombies are our kind of joggers in [TS]

00:36:56   somule and cardio right yeah that's [TS]

00:36:59   right that's why he needs his cardio so [TS]

00:37:01   you know which it was funny juxtaposing [TS]

00:37:03   watching the walking dead with [TS]

00:37:04   zombieland because I be land is a comedy [TS]

00:37:06   and uh and and yet the zombies in many [TS]

00:37:10   ways are actually scarier in zombieland [TS]

00:37:12   because they are more aggressive and [TS]

00:37:15   it's just an interesting balance whereas [TS]

00:37:17   in shot of the dead i think the zombies [TS]

00:37:19   are more traditionally shambling and [TS]

00:37:21   it's reason you know what I thought that [TS]

00:37:22   a 28 days later zombie will jump out at [TS]

00:37:25   you and scare you at some point you know [TS]

00:37:27   that the extent of what a lumbering [TS]

00:37:29   zombie can do is kind of bleed on you [TS]

00:37:32   you know kind of attempt to take a bite [TS]

00:37:34   out of you if order you if you happen to [TS]

00:37:36   be you know that debilitated in some way [TS]

00:37:39   well they know they can affect you so [TS]

00:37:41   there's that that other thing of like [TS]

00:37:42   even though they're not even though [TS]

00:37:44   they're they're not harmful that [TS]

00:37:46   if they you know if you know bite or [TS]

00:37:48   scratch you then you know that's it you [TS]

00:37:49   know they don't have to kill you [TS]

00:37:50   physically maybe that beautifully in [TS]

00:37:52   that 28 days later that we have seen we [TS]

00:37:56   read come on drop of blood comes down [TS]

00:37:58   and lands and yeah don't worry about [TS]

00:38:00   that so much and walking dead because [TS]

00:38:02   they get blood all over the number as [TS]

00:38:03   long as they don't bite you it's ok it's [TS]

00:38:05   like yes I've noticed nobody is a too [TS]

00:38:06   concerned about having any open sores or [TS]

00:38:08   cut [TS]

00:38:09   yeah yeah it was weird that they are you [TS]

00:38:12   know I think that's one of those things [TS]

00:38:13   that you can try to just ignore and say [TS]

00:38:14   well suffice it to say that they don't [TS]

00:38:16   get infected except that they have the [TS]

00:38:17   scenes where they're wearing the stuff [TS]

00:38:19   before they chop the zombie to rub their [TS]

00:38:21   guts on and they're they're very [TS]

00:38:23   meticulous and they had no scratches on [TS]

00:38:25   them from the baby weeks in zombie [TS]

00:38:26   apocalypse and then you've got the guy [TS]

00:38:28   firing office crossbows he's just [TS]

00:38:29   yanking out the the the arrows and and [TS]

00:38:33   and blood is flying everywhere that [TS]

00:38:36   can't be hygienic right and the sister [TS]

00:38:38   you know cradling her dead sister just [TS]

00:38:40   completely soaked in blood the rules of [TS]

00:38:42   the show the TV show or establishing [TS]

00:38:44   going back to it this is not going to be [TS]

00:38:46   a realistic TV show they establish the [TS]

00:38:47   rules on the rules are you get bit maybe [TS]

00:38:49   scratched and as long as the character [TS]

00:38:52   never says do you have any cuts or [TS]

00:38:53   whatever and the University of the show [TS]

00:38:56   you're supposed to think that it's not [TS]

00:38:57   possible to get infected accident right [TS]

00:38:59   but they said that they talked about [TS]

00:39:00   that that's the problem it with the [TS]

00:39:02   divinity episode where they rub the guts [TS]

00:39:04   on them so right they made sure they [TS]

00:39:05   were wearing gloves and they were all [TS]

00:39:07   you have to do the gloves which I was [TS]

00:39:08   like yeah yeah so now maybe they'll [TS]

00:39:11   maybe they'll pull that out later [TS]

00:39:13   like you know when you least expect it [TS]

00:39:14   you know oh you forgot to check the [TS]

00:39:17   usual how to cut on your hand and you're [TS]

00:39:18   actually infected it's also interesting [TS]

00:39:20   that about five seconds of rain [TS]

00:39:21   completely clear the stench of rotting [TS]

00:39:24   flesh [TS]

00:39:24   I mean as soon as you see the Thunder [TS]

00:39:26   cracking you do exactly what they're [TS]

00:39:27   doing it a lot of stuff was telegraphed [TS]

00:39:29   and see but I'm willing to forgive that [TS]

00:39:31   because i enjoy i loves him i love that [TS]

00:39:33   scene and i love the fact that they are [TS]

00:39:35   you know it's too late they're hanging [TS]

00:39:38   out there and they know that they're [TS]

00:39:40   gonna lose their advantage and it's just [TS]

00:39:42   it's very tense of it so and it's also [TS]

00:39:43   kind of funny and his senses like haha [TS]

00:39:46   you're smart but not smart enough at and [TS]

00:39:49   that's a great seeing a comment it was a [TS]

00:39:51   great scene the TV show [TS]

00:39:52   well I think he I think you still have [TS]

00:39:54   done this without being the great thing [TS]

00:39:55   is that would that should if I was [TS]

00:39:57   writing the show and said you can write [TS]

00:39:58   the gritty show but just right [TS]

00:39:59   regular TV show I would've said finally [TS]

00:40:01   they got the idea is merely got some [TS]

00:40:02   this year they got suddenly go out there [TS]

00:40:04   and they immediately get eaten because [TS]

00:40:05   here and got something I was not [TS]

00:40:06   completely over the smell of your living [TS]

00:40:08   like I don't even think something like [TS]

00:40:10   this is the worst plan ever stay in her [TS]

00:40:13   show they need to argue for 30 minutes [TS]

00:40:14   about how they're all screwed and [TS]

00:40:16   they're all gonna die and what's the [TS]

00:40:18   right way to do it and then they go get [TS]

00:40:20   you all know that they would they would [TS]

00:40:21   decide they would decide to do this [TS]

00:40:23   actually I kinda liked your show because [TS]

00:40:24   you would have to start with a huge army [TS]

00:40:27   of red shirts and basically for the [TS]

00:40:29   first five six episodes they would just [TS]

00:40:30   be trying to survive everyone is a [TS]

00:40:32   redshirt in real life that those might [TS]

00:40:35   point to make about about a zombie land [TS]

00:40:37   I thought zombieland had actually even [TS]

00:40:40   though was a comedy and a fun movie [TS]

00:40:41   zombie stop more threatening because [TS]

00:40:44   they spent the early part of the movie [TS]

00:40:45   doing at you know a comical kind of [TS]

00:40:47   explanation of what it takes to survive [TS]

00:40:48   when they're zombies out there and it [TS]

00:40:50   was made clear that knowing what to do [TS]

00:40:52   and having a weapon is not sufficient [TS]

00:40:53   because you have to actually keep your [TS]

00:40:55   stuff together you get maybe one maybe [TS]

00:40:57   two shots you have to be able to outrun [TS]

00:40:59   them if you trip and fall you on your [TS]

00:41:01   you slip on something on the ground you [TS]

00:41:02   don't tie your shoelaces or something [TS]

00:41:03   that's it for you your interest from [TS]

00:41:05   Gath constantly even though these guys [TS]

00:41:07   aren't really that threatening simply [TS]

00:41:08   because in a life-and-death situation [TS]

00:41:09   there's there's no no margin for error [TS]

00:41:12   it's not like you know playing sports or [TS]

00:41:15   are trying to do your job or whatever [TS]

00:41:16   when it's life and death there's [TS]

00:41:17   something trying to kill you even if [TS]

00:41:19   it's slow moving or something so much [TS]

00:41:21   can go wrong and I thought that movie [TS]

00:41:23   recognize that and it made the zombies [TS]

00:41:24   later in this comedy movie feel more [TS]

00:41:26   threatening simply because we realize [TS]

00:41:28   that I am I was really there and I was a [TS]

00:41:30   real person even if i had these guns I'd [TS]

00:41:31   probably still be dead so you know these [TS]

00:41:33   guys better watch out [TS]

00:41:34   and plus then you know Bill Murray he [TS]

00:41:37   fights it in a slightly different way [TS]

00:41:39   just showing death is everywhere man [TS]

00:41:41   yeah yeah that the yellow yeah they're [TS]

00:41:45   Woody Harrelson is surrounded by zombies [TS]

00:41:46   and his little box in the newsroom pilot [TS]

00:41:49   yeah and there's no way right he's got [TS]

00:41:52   to be dead and he's not because it's a [TS]

00:41:53   comedy but I but actually think that [TS]

00:41:56   there was a moment to talk about sonic [TS]

00:41:57   zombie land for a minute I think there's [TS]

00:41:59   a moment in zombieland it's much more [TS]

00:42:01   horrifying than anything in the walking [TS]

00:42:02   dead [TS]

00:42:03   honestly which is where his the [TS]

00:42:05   flashback where his roommate or nose [TS]

00:42:07   redoing all the beautiful girl next door [TS]

00:42:09   who's never talked to him comes in and [TS]

00:42:10   she's frightened and comforter [TS]

00:42:12   it's I mean it's played for comedy but [TS]

00:42:14   yet it's also like he's got a pretty [TS]

00:42:16   girl and he's really excited and she's [TS]

00:42:17   really scared and he comforts her and [TS]

00:42:19   she falls asleep and then she wakes up [TS]

00:42:21   and she's a zombie and she tries to kill [TS]

00:42:22   image breaks her her you know her ankle [TS]

00:42:25   and the bathroom and all this stuff is [TS]

00:42:27   running away from her [TS]

00:42:28   that was that was kind of awful and [TS]

00:42:30   horrifying although also funny and [TS]

00:42:32   actually i don't know if the walking [TS]

00:42:33   dead [TS]

00:42:34   you know even with the drama of the [TS]

00:42:36   sister dying and all that i'm not sure [TS]

00:42:38   that it had any scenes that measure up [TS]

00:42:40   to that [TS]

00:42:40   yeah and I don't quite understand why [TS]

00:42:42   because six episodes is way longer than [TS]

00:42:44   a two-hour movie and again it was a [TS]

00:42:45   comedy like zombieland you know I give [TS]

00:42:48   it like a B b-plus is a movie or [TS]

00:42:50   whatever because as a comedy was funny [TS]

00:42:52   but not you know hilarious but it did a [TS]

00:42:54   lot of right in terms of just zombie [TS]

00:42:56   movie stuff it was impressive [TS]

00:42:58   yeah I don't know what Steve zombieland [TS]

00:43:01   comparative about the comparison people [TS]

00:43:04   think we're making the walking dead [TS]

00:43:06   zombie haven't actually seen but from [TS]

00:43:08   what you're telling me it sounds like [TS]

00:43:09   maybe that the fact that it's primarily [TS]

00:43:11   a comedy makes this stuff that's [TS]

00:43:13   supposed to be scary actually that much [TS]

00:43:15   more frightening by the rest i think [TS]

00:43:17   that's probably true i'm sorry now I [TS]

00:43:19   spoiled things that are in zombieland [TS]

00:43:20   for you i don't really know it's worth [TS]

00:43:23   renting you know it's yeah the pretty [TS]

00:43:25   girl next door she doesn't make it was [TS]

00:43:27   just born I don't think that the spoiler [TS]

00:43:29   because the second you see our knock on [TS]

00:43:30   the door you dogs at you know that [TS]

00:43:32   yeah movie doesn't invest much time and [TS]

00:43:34   not telegraphing what it's going to do [TS]

00:43:35   because the point of this thing is a [TS]

00:43:37   comedy you know so soon as you see your [TS]

00:43:38   show up at the door [TS]

00:43:39   setting the bar is a comedy i think does [TS]

00:43:41   make a difference and I felt that way by [TS]

00:43:42   shaun of the dead to that their things [TS]

00:43:44   shaun of the dead that that uh you know [TS]

00:43:46   I get worried about the characters and [TS]

00:43:48   that's because yeah it's a comedy but [TS]

00:43:50   you know it's also not zombies and [TS]

00:43:52   anybody could die and and they don't [TS]

00:43:53   care because it's just a variety and I [TS]

00:43:55   think that doing it being a comedy it [TS]

00:43:58   makes make it may be just me but it [TS]

00:44:00   makes me relate to the characters more [TS]

00:44:02   not right because you'd be joking around [TS]

00:44:04   of zombies were there because joking [TS]

00:44:06   around is closer but it's more realistic [TS]

00:44:09   that you can quickly like somebody when [TS]

00:44:12   they're funny right or or like you can [TS]

00:44:15   imagine their the reaction to see you [TS]

00:44:16   know if i was a zombie apocalypse right [TS]

00:44:18   before i did i'd i would probably make [TS]

00:44:19   some stupid wisecrack there are think [TS]

00:44:21   something like that versus if i was a [TS]

00:44:23   zombie apocalypse that I would be [TS]

00:44:25   stoic and heroic and not be perturbed by [TS]

00:44:27   people dying around me and be a hero and [TS]

00:44:29   like people have a harder time imagining [TS]

00:44:31   themselves doing that then saying i [TS]

00:44:34   would think something sarcastic to [TS]

00:44:35   myself are before I died so let me ask [TS]

00:44:37   you guys do you think that there's a [TS]

00:44:39   fundamental issue with the fact that the [TS]

00:44:41   walking dead is a TV series but you know [TS]

00:44:43   in a movie you can introduce all sorts [TS]

00:44:45   of characters and you can kill them off [TS]

00:44:46   at any point it doesn't really matter [TS]

00:44:48   because the movie only it's gonna be 90 [TS]

00:44:49   minutes to two hours long [TS]

00:44:51   walking dead you know you know I know [TS]

00:44:54   they're trying to make it seem like [TS]

00:44:55   anybody can die at any time but there is [TS]

00:44:56   also a feeling like we've got this cast [TS]

00:44:58   of characters and we've got a long way [TS]

00:45:01   to go and so I'm not quite sure I feel [TS]

00:45:04   the same jeopardy I mean I feel some but [TS]

00:45:06   not as much because i know that you know [TS]

00:45:08   it's not like they're gonna kill [TS]

00:45:09   everybody and then introduced a new cast [TS]

00:45:11   the next week i think they struck a good [TS]

00:45:13   balance with the zombies coming into the [TS]

00:45:15   camp at the end because at that point [TS]

00:45:17   again knowing nothing about the comic i [TS]

00:45:18   didn't see that coming in terms of that [TS]

00:45:21   many people died as they settled into [TS]

00:45:22   the camp and like all right this is [TS]

00:45:23   gonna be the cast the show me wanted two [TS]

00:45:25   people died they took out a whole bunch [TS]

00:45:26   only six episodes in because which I [TS]

00:45:29   thought it was poetic justice a thinned [TS]

00:45:31   out their group pretty seriously it's so [TS]

00:45:33   yeah I I i would agree with you I I [TS]

00:45:36   don't think up until that point I had [TS]

00:45:38   really been that concerned about them [TS]

00:45:40   sustaining this over over the long haul [TS]

00:45:42   but at this point their groups pretty [TS]

00:45:44   thin down and I had they had a huge [TS]

00:45:47   group of obvious you know Mark four Dead [TS]

00:45:50   red shirts and i think most of them got [TS]

00:45:52   either wasted or or went packing to find [TS]

00:45:55   family members or tribal or decided to [TS]

00:45:59   explode and and so what they're left [TS]

00:46:01   with is relatively small [TS]

00:46:04   so yeah I am curious about how they're [TS]

00:46:06   going to extend it is always more actors [TS]

00:46:07   I mean well yeah i think that you know [TS]

00:46:11   and again I who knows we're going to do [TS]

00:46:12   but but I if the comic book will tell us [TS]

00:46:14   anything or actually logic would tell us [TS]

00:46:16   anything we're going to be other pockets [TS]

00:46:17   of people out there and they're going to [TS]

00:46:19   meet them in this you might get [TS]

00:46:20   combinations in different ways and [TS]

00:46:22   people come and people go uh you know [TS]

00:46:24   but you're right it's it's funny that [TS]

00:46:27   they did load up the cast with people [TS]

00:46:30   that they could kill in the first six [TS]

00:46:31   episodes I I think that's reasonably [TS]

00:46:34   setting and they really just pin the pin [TS]

00:46:36   the show for [TS]

00:46:37   scene one on to Rick right which is I [TS]

00:46:40   don't know that's the same as the [TS]

00:46:41   comment but yea he's the guy right so [TS]

00:46:43   he's the only one who needs to survive [TS]

00:46:44   with the show to continue as far as how [TS]

00:46:45   much everything all the person is up for [TS]

00:46:48   grabs at any point because they leave [TS]

00:46:49   the shore whatever so that the narrative [TS]

00:46:52   is tied around him if he were to die not [TS]

00:46:54   because he just simply want to leave the [TS]

00:46:56   show after season 3 or something or [TS]

00:46:57   whatever then you might have a problem [TS]

00:46:59   but at every 1i though is really a [TS]

00:47:02   strong enough character that you could [TS]

00:47:03   completely wipe out everybody that's [TS]

00:47:05   around him right now and replace them [TS]

00:47:06   with a robot now I mean that's their [TS]

00:47:08   fault for for writing it but it's clear [TS]

00:47:10   that that he's if you're looking for who [TS]

00:47:12   is the protagonist Rick and I'll show [TS]

00:47:14   its they don't they don't pussyfoot [TS]

00:47:16   around it's not an ensemble is not lost [TS]

00:47:18   because i was Jack the protagonist lost [TS]

00:47:20   was much more even-handed with spreading [TS]

00:47:22   the love around and not that you thought [TS]

00:47:24   Jack was gonna die or anything but they [TS]

00:47:25   had many primary leads three or four or [TS]

00:47:28   five you know tent poles where is rick [TS]

00:47:30   is the is the one in this show so far in [TS]

00:47:32   just six episodes [TS]

00:47:34   yeah that's definitely the case so [TS]

00:47:37   overall Steve thumbs up [TS]

00:47:41   yeah I don't get you know that the only [TS]

00:47:44   disappointment for me where like I said [TS]

00:47:46   that sort of a lack of taking advantage [TS]

00:47:49   of the more time that they had to build [TS]

00:47:50   up the characters a bit and then maybe a [TS]

00:47:53   little initial disappointment in the [TS]

00:47:54   first episode by how much of what i was [TS]

00:47:56   seeing I had already seen before in some [TS]

00:47:58   previous film and it's interesting you [TS]

00:48:01   go online and much is made about how [TS]

00:48:03   similar the first episode or at least [TS]

00:48:06   some elements of it are 2 28 days later [TS]

00:48:07   with him waking up in the hospital and [TS]

00:48:09   he wanders around sort of groggily for a [TS]

00:48:12   while and miraculously not running into [TS]

00:48:14   any of the Dead and inundating the whole [TS]

00:48:16   neighborhood in the whole world I then [TS]

00:48:20   you know kind of gradually finds his way [TS]

00:48:22   to some-some area where there's their [TS]

00:48:25   vast concentrations of zombies and so [TS]

00:48:30   yeah I mean I i did get a lot of deja vu [TS]

00:48:32   feeling from that first episode not so [TS]

00:48:34   much from the later episodes where it [TS]

00:48:35   seemed like they were they were really [TS]

00:48:37   trying to go more for the drama aspect [TS]

00:48:39   of it which hasn't for obvious reasons [TS]

00:48:41   been explored bunch in the in the zombie [TS]

00:48:43   films right it's almost like they wanted [TS]

00:48:44   to make a zombie movie and then say [TS]

00:48:46   alright that's the first episode [TS]

00:48:48   what but i have to feel for what's the [TS]

00:48:51   guy's name curtain [TS]

00:48:53   yeah because apparently 28 days later [TS]

00:48:55   came out i guess a few weeks before our [TS]

00:48:58   few months before the first episode of [TS]

00:49:00   the walking dead i was was scheduled [TS]

00:49:04   published so of course it gone to the [TS]

00:49:06   printers he'd finished it and and then [TS]

00:49:08   in comes this film that's very well [TS]

00:49:10   received in and it opens with basically [TS]

00:49:13   the same yeah basic fragments [TS]

00:49:16   yeah well he's done all right for [TS]

00:49:18   himself I think that's a you know [TS]

00:49:21   because i think that that comic has run [TS]

00:49:23   70-plus episodes now and for 70 Plus [TS]

00:49:26   issues and and he's got a series and you [TS]

00:49:29   know he's doing okay Robert Kirkman I by [TS]

00:49:33   the way has written a superhero comic [TS]

00:49:36   called invisible that I also like a lot [TS]

00:49:37   of so people might want to check that [TS]

00:49:39   one out at and they're looking for a [TS]

00:49:41   kind of teen angst superhero but still [TS]

00:49:46   fun lots of action and actually some [TS]

00:49:48   bloody fight scenes where if you get [TS]

00:49:52   super powered people together in the [TS]

00:49:53   beat the hell out of each other it you [TS]

00:49:56   know it would be really bloody and it is [TS]

00:49:58   which is actually kind of cool so [TS]

00:50:01   Kirkman is not a not a afraid of the [TS]

00:50:03   blood [TS]

00:50:04   uh you know and i think his story over [TS]

00:50:06   time the walking dead story evolves to [TS]

00:50:09   explore all sorts of things that there [TS]

00:50:11   are you know interesting interesting uh [TS]

00:50:14   ways of viewing above the the world of [TS]

00:50:18   the zombie apocalypse and I if i'm [TS]

00:50:19   looking forward to anything from from [TS]

00:50:21   the walking dead the series it's that [TS]

00:50:23   it's to it you know having that length [TS]

00:50:25   of time 13 episodes for a second season [TS]

00:50:28   to tell you no more of these stories and [TS]

00:50:31   get to know more of these characters and [TS]

00:50:32   not have it be the you know quick hit [TS]

00:50:34   you know here they are now they're dead [TS]

00:50:36   kind of thing I'm a little worried we'll [TS]

00:50:38   get into a rhythm where each episode [TS]

00:50:40   we're presented with some new set piece [TS]

00:50:42   that they traveled to [TS]

00:50:44   oh yeah CDC building and then in the [TS]

00:50:46   course of 45 nursing home [TS]

00:50:48   yeah but exactly what all you know [TS]

00:50:50   there's a new they travel to a new town [TS]

00:50:52   right couple people and they solve crime [TS]

00:50:54   and things are basically the same at the [TS]

00:50:56   end of each episode they were at the [TS]

00:50:57   beginning except maybe they're short one [TS]

00:50:59   massage therapist [TS]

00:51:01   students they do if they choose the [TS]

00:51:02   prison story line right and i'm really [TS]

00:51:07   not giving anything away here other than [TS]

00:51:08   to say if they do that right that could [TS]

00:51:10   be the best could be an entire season if [TS]

00:51:13   not more because you know there there's [TS]

00:51:15   a lot of complexity in a story about if [TS]

00:51:17   you find a prison you know and you think [TS]

00:51:20   this is decided to keep people in [TS]

00:51:22   but now you're listening slept I don't [TS]

00:51:24   know I just no no I'm not I'm not [TS]

00:51:26   well you know if i'll fire up the [TS]

00:51:28   spoiler here but I is really mild all [TS]

00:51:30   I'm saying is logically you're in the [TS]

00:51:32   zombie apocalypse apocalypse you find a [TS]

00:51:34   prison you think say if this is good at [TS]

00:51:37   keeping people in before the apocalypse [TS]

00:51:40   maybe we could use it to keep people out [TS]

00:51:42   like zombies [TS]

00:51:44   logically speaking that's the field the [TS]

00:51:45   thing about all the shows just like that [TS]

00:51:48   after the zombie apocalypse people still [TS]

00:51:50   have the same basic needs they want [TS]

00:51:51   safety food shelter security right they [TS]

00:51:54   don't want to be the incredible hulk [TS]

00:51:55   wandering from town to town always on [TS]

00:51:57   the move like people don't like to live [TS]

00:51:58   like that especially since most people [TS]

00:52:00   in America anyway don't live like that [TS]

00:52:02   you find someplace to love you settle [TS]

00:52:03   down maybe move every couple years or [TS]

00:52:05   something but even you know even if your [TS]

00:52:07   army brat you move you know every two [TS]

00:52:09   years still seems like you're a nomad [TS]

00:52:10   economic apocalypse you like what's the [TS]

00:52:12   endgame here we just wander around your [TS]

00:52:14   whole life running from zombies or do we [TS]

00:52:15   go find someplace to settle we can be [TS]

00:52:17   safe to rebuild civilization of it you [TS]

00:52:19   know eventually that's got to come up so [TS]

00:52:21   if the prison is there is their eventual [TS]

00:52:23   reckoning with saying you know what are [TS]

00:52:25   we going to do in this series we're just [TS]

00:52:26   going to constantly go from city to city [TS]

00:52:28   fleeing zombies because who's to say [TS]

00:52:30   that is not more or less obvious over [TS]

00:52:31   there let's try to make a life for [TS]

00:52:33   ourselves and runway and the you know [TS]

00:52:34   Bobby world and I assume that's what [TS]

00:52:36   they'll do is they'll build them don't [TS]

00:52:38   follow that storyline and there's a lot [TS]

00:52:40   of complexity there cuz like in the [TS]

00:52:41   prison others honestly no real president [TS]

00:52:44   season two you know just well I'm afraid [TS]

00:52:46   we're not spend the whole of season two [TS]

00:52:47   trading over the well-trodden ground of [TS]

00:52:51   dawn of the dead shot at it if it's [TS]

00:52:55   well-trodden but they do it well I'm up [TS]

00:52:57   for it this you know basically it a [TS]

00:53:00   small group ends up holding up in in a [TS]

00:53:03   shopping mall which oh yeah it was made [TS]

00:53:05   were basically new you know they didn't [TS]

00:53:07   have a lot of them so that was kind of a [TS]

00:53:09   new concept in itself but and they [TS]

00:53:11   barricade the doors with some semis they [TS]

00:53:13   find the basic [TS]

00:53:14   dispatch the zombies that are wandering [TS]

00:53:17   the mall and kind of go it they go [TS]

00:53:19   through phases where the first they're [TS]

00:53:20   just happy that they're not constantly [TS]

00:53:23   afraid of being trapped in Eaton and [TS]

00:53:27   then they sort of gradually realized [TS]

00:53:28   that that you know they can do is sort [TS]

00:53:32   of consumer you know shopping spree [TS]

00:53:34   where they go through all the stores and [TS]

00:53:36   they get the fur coats and I you know [TS]

00:53:39   they have these gourmet meals that they [TS]

00:53:40   make friends from them for themselves [TS]

00:53:42   from you know what's what they've got [TS]

00:53:43   stalked in the mall and and then shortly [TS]

00:53:47   after that they go through a phase where [TS]

00:53:48   basically they're just depressed as hell [TS]

00:53:50   because they realize how empty in and [TS]

00:53:53   shallow their life has become and you [TS]

00:53:55   know the kind of barricaded themselves [TS]

00:53:56   into this is depressing message to this [TS]

00:53:59   movie [TS]

00:54:00   yeah it's it's it's subtle movie as is [TS]

00:54:03   George Romero's way but yeah I mean and [TS]

00:54:07   then in the end of course the thing that [TS]

00:54:09   finally tears it apart is roving gang of [TS]

00:54:12   bikers discovers that they're holed up [TS]

00:54:15   in there and realizes it's not zombies [TS]

00:54:16   in there there's people in there and [TS]

00:54:17   they kind of come to the conclusion that [TS]

00:54:19   you know there's a bunch of guns and [TS]

00:54:21   whatnot in the mall and and naturally [TS]

00:54:24   come blazing through the barricades and [TS]

00:54:26   kind of ruin their whole little life [TS]

00:54:28   they've set up for themselves so that I [TS]

00:54:32   i foresee something similar happening [TS]

00:54:34   based on what you said about this [TS]

00:54:36   two-person think it depends on how they [TS]

00:54:38   executed but uh but maybe with our [TS]

00:54:40   partners Kirkman story is a little more [TS]

00:54:42   complex than that there's some other [TS]

00:54:43   stuff going on and because you know it's [TS]

00:54:45   not isolated and there's other other [TS]

00:54:47   people and there's other other towns out [TS]

00:54:49   in the world and then you got to get [TS]

00:54:52   supplies and I mean there's there's a [TS]

00:54:53   lot going on and I hope that they they [TS]

00:54:55   go down that path though because there's [TS]

00:54:56   some really the fertile ground there i'm [TS]

00:55:00   assuming a joke i will come back and [TS]

00:55:02   season to it as well [TS]

00:55:03   yeah yeah so he's a pilot Lennie James i [TS]

00:55:06   think is the name of the actor and and [TS]

00:55:08   you know and he'll Rick is leaving [TS]

00:55:10   messages on the radio for him and take [TS]

00:55:12   out the cars and stuff like that and you [TS]

00:55:14   know I kinda hope we do see him again [TS]

00:55:16   i'm not sure if he comes back in the [TS]

00:55:18   comic or not i think i read an interview [TS]

00:55:19   with Kirkman where he said that he [TS]

00:55:21   wanted to revisit that character at some [TS]

00:55:23   point he just hadn't worked them in yet [TS]

00:55:25   so it doesn't come back on because I [TS]

00:55:27   got the TV show Telegraph exactly what [TS]

00:55:29   was going to happen to him in season 2 [TS]

00:55:31   which I don't want to say in case I'm [TS]

00:55:32   wrong but yeah I actually know what is [TS]

00:55:34   faith is actually think he doesn't come [TS]

00:55:37   back or they just did a one-shot where [TS]

00:55:38   they told some some of the story or [TS]

00:55:40   something like that but it's not you [TS]

00:55:42   know I its act in the comic it's not [TS]

00:55:45   really much of an arc but that's not to [TS]

00:55:46   say that it wouldn't be a huge part of [TS]

00:55:47   the of the TV show that's the beauty of [TS]

00:55:50   it they spent like a whole episode and a [TS]

00:55:52   bit on this one guy I have 6 episode so [TS]

00:55:55   he's got to be you know I don't think [TS]

00:55:57   it's gonna be reunited with his wife [TS]

00:55:58   wanted to tell you i think is gonna [TS]

00:56:02   happen them [TS]

00:56:02   yeah and a TV show I think using didn't [TS]

00:56:05   bitten by a zombie and his sons gonna [TS]

00:56:07   have to kill him [TS]

00:56:08   and your point this gun is something son [TS]

00:56:10   make sure you mean it [TS]

00:56:11   ah I i think his wife's gonna jump off I [TS]

00:56:15   him and maybe then the Sun will dispatch [TS]

00:56:16   him i don't know how you can do what he [TS]

00:56:18   he couldn't bring it online as his kids [TS]

00:56:20   gotta kill him because the kids got to [TS]

00:56:21   see his mother like that if i was gonna [TS]

00:56:23   get didn't I don't know if the kid will [TS]

00:56:24   be able to come i was running the show [TS]

00:56:25   the kid wouldn't be able to come then [TS]

00:56:27   would die but you know me but I think he [TS]

00:56:29   will be able to kill me very emotional [TS]

00:56:31   and dramatic i don't think i want to [TS]

00:56:32   watch your show John that's right you [TS]

00:56:36   would love my show man I don't know why [TS]

00:56:37   did you not like the wire i don't [TS]

00:56:39   remember i love the wire [TS]

00:56:41   yeah you would like my show so John in [TS]

00:56:43   the end I you know i'm i'm here your [TS]

00:56:45   criticism of the walking dead was a what [TS]

00:56:47   worth watching [TS]

00:56:48   oh yeah I i give the actual show that i [TS]

00:56:51   watched a b-minus i just given an F [TS]

00:56:53   compared to the show on my head [TS]

00:56:55   alright the minus isn't bad considering [TS]

00:56:57   the web what you've been saying for the [TS]

00:56:59   last hour you have high expectations i [TS]

00:57:00   do I did and I i blame the ad campaign [TS]

00:57:03   your campaign was aimed squarely at like [TS]

00:57:05   it if you took the ad campaign and match [TS]

00:57:07   perfectly with about what I wanted in my [TS]

00:57:09   head and what I was expecting it just [TS]

00:57:10   didn't match the show because the ad [TS]

00:57:12   campaign was was just you know they [TS]

00:57:14   didn't show you a lot which is always [TS]

00:57:15   good to be a lot of imagination and just [TS]

00:57:17   be just deadly serious and dramatic and [TS]

00:57:19   music and the you know the typography [TS]

00:57:22   and sort of everything about it nothing [TS]

00:57:25   dissuaded me from my notions let's put [TS]

00:57:26   it that way so thank you to Steve lutz [TS]

00:57:30   and John siracusa for joining me thanks [TS]

00:57:32   guys [TS]

00:57:33   thanks for having us thank you [TS]

00:57:35   exterminate Thank you Thank You robots [TS]

00:57:37   on and that wraps up this edition of the [TS]

00:57:39   uncomfortable podcast until next time [TS]

00:57:41   I'm Jason L thanks for listening [TS]

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00:58:09   plain old guys like Frankie's I gotta [TS]

00:58:12   get back to sound body [TS]

00:58:14   well you know it's more like you're the [TS]

00:58:17   ear like the personification of the be [TS]

00:58:19   king [TS]

00:58:20   send your peas to kill us all and any [TS]

00:58:26   yeah but it's not is all really yeah [TS]

00:58:30   this you what you need to say is [TS]

00:58:31   released the bees [TS]

00:58:33   not the bees you would like an entire [TS]

00:58:37   meet you would like to enter your [TS]

00:58:39   soundboard wouldn't you [TS]

00:58:40   I would come my be soldiers attack [TS]