The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast number 19 for [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► january to ntlm if the new year and time [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► for a new edition of the incomparable [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► podcast welcome everybody I'm Jason [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► smell your host with me today i have two [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► guests for our exciting incomparable [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► book club yes we've managed to kill just [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► about everyone else but to remain alive [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► and they enter our Thunderdome here [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► today from the Pacific Northwest Glenn [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► fleischmann thank you for reading the [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► book you are very welcome [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► somebody had to do it and from the east [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► coast from Philadelphia lonely no longer [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► Scott McNulty thank you for being [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► literate Scotty you know I think this is [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► what happens to all book clubs isn't it [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► slowly people just stopped coming [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► it's oh you mean the next one will be [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► Jason talking to himself [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► yes I either that or it'll be me talking [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► to my digitized version of dan more'n [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► likely back and debate things with it at [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► my leisure so are our topic today [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► primary topic first topic is a the the [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► book selection which is how to live [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► safely in a science fictional universe [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► which is by Charles you believe Charles [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► you that that is correct [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► alright uh and this is a very peculiar [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► book blend you want to kind of step us [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► through kind of the overview of what [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► this what this book is [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► I'm going to give it a try it some I [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► think it's you know I think it's very [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► interesting book because it's it has a [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► feel [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► I'll give me like the big picture as a [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► feel of some of that new science fiction [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► stuff from like the nineteen sixties and [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► seventies when everyone was tired of the [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► Golden Age and then the Silver Age it [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► also have exploded into Harlan Ellison [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► and things that were almost unreadable [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► but they were different right so there's [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► a little bit of a picture of this this [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► is not unreadable but it's it's very [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► difficult reading so it's I come to the [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► plot it's like all right well I think [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► this is what happened you know it's not [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► that I got a ray gun and charged across [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► the universe and killed this blog's and [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► one girl you know which i have been [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► reading books like that recently i'm in [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► this book [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► let's say they think almost anything i [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► say my trigger the spoiler horn but i'll [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► start slow so it appears to be there is [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► a gentleman who is a time machine repair [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► prepare right i mean i think we can [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► agree on that we can and his name [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► happens to be Charles you who is the [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► author of the book right and he seems to [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► live in a universe that is a is enter [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► twinkled and entwined with our own in [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► the science fictional universe is a [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► construct within the book and it is [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► something to which he possesses some [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► power of movement like ever while you [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► think this is thoroughly abstract it [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► sounds like he's been in a kind of [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► stasis for 10 or more years in which he [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► visits different locations in different [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► adjacent universes and repairs people's [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► problems where they people go back to [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► visit events in the past and they make [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► changes that they are outside [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► operational parameters it's very very [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► maytag salesperson [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► oh you know you shouldn't put the you [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► know the ACI card and you only put the [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► ati card in that always causes a blowout [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► we really need that you should have [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► gotten the upgrade and I can fix it but [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► it's going to cost $15 so we kind of its [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► quitting at times you know it's this [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► very much like he's like any repairman [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► and then it's then it keeps blasting and [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► metaphysical aspects and then there's a [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► regular citations from a book that isn't [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► that called how to live safely in a [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► science fictional universe inside the [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► book and over time we come to realize [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► that his father fictional Charles use [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► father has invented [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► time machines sort of and that Charles [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► you you has people he visits including [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► his mother who is stuck in a time loop [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► he created for her but she repeats a [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► pleasant event over and over again i [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► don't know if i would say stuck she's [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► evil Heimlich she's sort of been placed [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► in a time loop so that it would be [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► easier on her or something exactly she [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► has some awareness of it and he has a [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► dog who doesn't exist the dog was sort [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► of a fictional construct that was being [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► thrown out and he felt bad for us is the [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► notion of a dog that is not quite a dog [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► and he has a onboard artificial [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► intelligence system that is self-aware [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► but kind of sad [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► Tammy she sleeps a lot and his boss is a [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► computer program it doesn't realize at [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► least for a while these computer program [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► yes so it you know some of these are [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► very nominal science-fiction elements [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► these are things that every know a lot [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► of science fiction all these concepts [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► come to eat together but keeps breaking [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► down is it as you read the book you keep [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► sort of peeling down through allegory [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► you're like oh it's the story of a guy [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► who's 30-something his life has been a [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► mess and he's writing about in this [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► heavily allegorical way and is troubled [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► relations between his parents his [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► parents getting divorced and his [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► childhood in which his father was never [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► please and can never achieve what you [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► want to or is this like Pierre you know [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► like we talked about with the city in [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► the city your perspective keeps changing [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► sometimes with every page as to whether [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► this is you know a novel of personal [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► self exploration thinly-veiled with [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► science-fiction elements or a science [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► fiction novel with oddly [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► autobiographical potentially [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► autobiographical elements inserted [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► inside of it so what do you think that I [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► do okay jobs [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► yeah i think i think so and I think in [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► fact it's not even an either/or i think [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► that in some ways that's exactly what [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► the book is it's an autobiography with [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► sort of a filter run on that to turn it [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► into a science fiction novel and then [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► you know and then everybody has point [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► where introduces specific elements that [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► are associated with science fiction [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► books and also i mean the title [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► science-fictional as opposed to science [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► fiction it's you know that is a queue [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► there but their element where inserts [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► things like you know he goes back [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► apparently goes back in time and shoots [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► himself or there are paradoxes that are [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► classic science fiction [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► time travel paradoxes that introduces [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► but then dispenses with or incorporate [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► sin completely in insane ways that are [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► again like sometimes i feel like i'm [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► reading philosophy when I'm reading it [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► sometimes it's like a you know had a [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► dense novel that's designed to be [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► interpreted by literary critics and [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► sometimes it's like a rousing good [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► sci-fi story it is sort of got two parts [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► right it's got this introductory part [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► where you meet this you meet this guy [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► and he he's a time machine repairman he [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► lives out of time he sort of like [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► doesn't want to access his actual life [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► so he he just doesn't return home and he [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► and he's fixing the time machines and [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► then there's that scene coursing in the [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► middle of the book where he is walking [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► to his time machine and the door opens [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► and he gets out of it and he sees [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► himself and shoots himself and then gets [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► in the time machine and leaves and [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► realizes he's just sort of loop himself [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► and that's where the book gets seriously [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► weird and it turns out that he's been [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► writing he needs to read a book called [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► how to live safely of a science [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► fictional universe which he himself [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► wrote in the time loop so he writes it [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► as he reads it and then we can get all [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► kind of goes crazy and then he ends up [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► trying to find his father whose live [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► living in a a an imaginary kind of [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► parallel universe that he's trying to [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► track him down and as a science fiction [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► story that's the point where i really [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► started to think what the heck am I [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► reading here where it got seriously [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► weird [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► although I you know I understand it kind [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► of on that allegorical level but that's [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► where that really weird after he shoots [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► himself and and then he's playing all [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► the cards right he's like you you're in [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► a time loop you you know you're not just [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► kill your grandfather you're killing [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► yourself you've got a book that's been [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► handed to you that you yourself rat [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► wrote so how do you write it which is [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► your right as you read it it's just [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► and that's where it goes it's crazy [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► right yeah he's an observer his own past [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► with an alternate realities where he [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► sees like his mother in a place that she [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► doesn't know the woman was the whole the [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► woman he never married who is almost [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► instantiated [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► we'll never fell in love with it's like [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► a real person sort of as a construct it [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► anything that's a construct in his book [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► being can become a real thing that you [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► can interact with on everything that's [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► could have been possible is it does [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► theoretically does exist everywhere and [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► I think that's part of it too is that if [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► you're writing a biography even you know [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► you wonder what might have been and the [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► science fictional universe everything [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► that might have been it did happen [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► somewhere in a in another universe and I [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► think that's sort of what he's getting [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► at [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► Scott what did you think of this one [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► ah I thought it was interesting i'm not [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► quite sure at I know everyone i read a [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► book and I think to myself well often i [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► think what i'm reading which is good but [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► this is the book which i think is the [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► main character insane so does anything [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► it is looking actually happened or is [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► this all just an insane dream that this [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► character is having and I don't know the [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► answer to that after reading the book [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► whether or not any of these things you [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► know within the fictional universe that [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► the book inhabits if these events [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► actually happened or if this person is [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► just insane because you know he has a [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► dog that doesn't exist [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► he his father apparently invent a time [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► machine in their garage but there's no [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► real proof that it worked and then we're [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► going to show it to someone like a third [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► party it didn't work and then all of a [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► sudden it did work in the the bad some [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► other corporations stole his idea so I [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► don't know maybe I'm crazy [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► oh it's it's a strange it's a very [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► strange book and I wouldn't i wouldn't [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► say that i liked it actually I thought [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► it was I thought it was interesting and [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► it was very interesting to see him the [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► author make these I just crazy decisions [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► to just do i'm going to put it all out [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► there i'm going to lay out every single [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► science-fictional element you could [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► think of and I appreciated as as [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► essentially a an exploration of his own [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► life of the author's life and his [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► relationship with his parents and you [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► know I thought it was interesting on [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► that level but i honestly cannot say [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► that i enjoyed reading and I I thought [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► it was yeah weird and you know a little [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► bit off-putting and i'm not quite sure [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► we ever really get a good grip on who [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► the who the narrator is I feel in some [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► ways that i had a UH you know it was [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► hard [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► a lot of the characters there it's [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► almost like they're sort of shadow [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► figures where you know their present but [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► I'm not really quite sure who they are [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► and that goes for the narrator but also [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► goes for the mother and the father too [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► yeah I wouldn't say exactly sort of it [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► you know that there's a joke and laurie [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► anderson album about like welcome to [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► distant difficult listening our pleas [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► button your top button on your shirt [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► sit back and you know bolt upright [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► uncomfortable chair and prepared to [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► listen to some difficult music and I'm [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► always like that's that's what it's [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► about it like this is a hard book to [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► read [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► is it worth it I'm still not sure after [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► you finish that was disappointed by how [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► conventionally the book was brought to a [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► conclusion i get close inclusion I mean [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► not exactly something is not [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► conventional I just thought it wasn't [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► didn't fulfill its promise of how [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► strange it was by how it ended but it [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► was it was an attempt to write something [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► that was not easy to read and I wasn't [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► really in before structurally in [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► Subway's it is i mean it he like i said [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► before he pulled out all the stops all [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► the tricks right so he's got the the [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► this book is quoting itself it you know [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► but this book is also quoting from a [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► book in the universe and then that book [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► is being written in the story and then [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► it's being read and written [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► simultaneously in the story so it's like [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► inside a circle within a circle within a [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► circle with a circle which you know [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► hi it's a high-wire act i I'm not sure [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► it really works [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► I was thinking actually if I wasn't a [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► college literature class [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► yeah we got we gotta told go out and buy [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► any you know book published in the last [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► five years and write a story to write [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► out write an essay analyzing it from a [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► literature class analysis kind of [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► perspective let's take it apart and [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► consider what the author is doing I [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► would pick a book like this because it [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► does like we've been talking about it [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► does have all these like layers of what [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► does it mean and what's the technique [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► and and and on that level it's [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► interesting is it but that's not [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► a level of you know entertainment value [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► i guess i would say so it's so much as [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► it is you know it interesting to defect [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► to do as an autopsy really you know what [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► this reminds me most closely of its some [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► level as Nicholson Baker's mezzanine if [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► either of you have read that book i have [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► not I have not either [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► it is an interesting piece of writing [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► with more out of every web Scott no [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► bearing on comparables on the Capitals I [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► don't think wasn't comfortable on the [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► mezzanine is Nicholson Baker think it's [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► one of his first books it's um is a [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► nonfiction one could argue with some [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► level it is the entire set of thoughts [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► that goes through his head ostensibly [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► from the top of an escalator to the [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► bottom and occupies a 250 pages and it [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► is you read it and it is absolutely [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► understandable as a stream of [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► consciousness of all the things that are [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► sort of minut switches and how we you [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► know cogitate while we are ostensibly [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► doing one activity or just even [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► daydreaming [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► it's a beautiful thing and it's one of [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► the greatest things written i actually [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► already i would argue because it's so [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► it's unique and it is is so beautiful [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► its way so there's there are some things [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► in common i think between that where [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► this is incredibly intense self-analysis [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► that's presented in many many different [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► allegorical and biographical ways that [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► sounds awful [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► yeah it's not fun for science but if [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► we're doing you see no this isn't i'll [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► bring a metal argument since we're doing [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► everything is collapsing and expanding [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► above us in this book you know she the [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► in the this podcast I mean geeky things [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► Dukey things can they not be hard to [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► read I'm gonna need to be good but [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► cannot be hard [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► well they can but i think it can be hard [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► i actually liked this book i think i [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► would recommend it but I also you know I [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► went to I was an English major so I [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► spent a lot of time thinking about this [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► stuff and my area of interest when I was [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► you know have breeding for criticizing [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► things was postmodern fiction and this [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► is all the the quintessential kind of [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► postmodern thing whenever you know [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► whenever an author is a main character [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► of their own book i'm interested i [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► don't--that's haha [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► that is an understanding and a book is [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► written in the book and read and written [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► inside is how many have never met levels [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► of Medicaid you get here it's craziness [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► and it reminds me of another author uh [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► Don Pardo may I don't know if anyone has [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► told ya Donnell Barthelemy yes yeah I [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► love him short stories a lot of we're [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► here as well I think he's dead now but [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► may be alive if he's not dead is between [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► these two living brothers also extremely [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► good writers yes I actually don't like [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► his the one brothers are gamblers and [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► he's that's about gambling yet [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► understand i don't really like he's [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► right by the way his his short stories [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► are very odd and very entertaining [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► he had one short story about a woman who [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► gave birth to a giant Ruby and another [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► one about a church built a town that was [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► only churches so that kind of thing and [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► so it really reminded me of that [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► that's good that is that weirdness that [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► the writer sits down and writes [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► something that is challenging an insane [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► and they just go with it they don't back [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► off you didn't write this [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► Charles you didn't write this up i don't [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► know this little out there maybe I [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► should dumb it down and make it feel [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► more like conventional stuff because [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► I'll some more copies he put something [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► really hard and strange and personal [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► yeah I don't know if it was successful [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► but I enjoyed it i don't know I a great [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► place and I don't think it was a [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► satisfying hunger but I did like it i'm [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► gonna read it [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► yeah i mean i-i i bring this up on the [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► podcast a lot but I sort of think there [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► are a couple different ways you can [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► appreciate something and sometimes [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► you'll get one of the other sometimes [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► you get both sometimes you'll get [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► neither and i got on one level for me I [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► appreciate the the the craftsmanship of [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► the work and how its put together and on [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► that level i really appreciate this [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► because i thought was very interesting [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► what he chose to do with it [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► the other level is sort of maybe you'd [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► say it's a little more emotional or it's [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► just you know I am i enjoying it as a as [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► a tale as a an entertainment experience [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► and that level i don't i don't think i [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► would say work for me but I'm not on the [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► first level it did and and to your point [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► Glenn I do think that science fiction or [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► any other genre it doesn't have to be [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► hard but it it could be hard and if the [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► if a work is difficult to [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► to parse that can be a it can be [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► engaging it could be interesting [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► it can be frustrating and sometimes I [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► think those things work and sometimes [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► they don't [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► I'm not quite sure what I feel about [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► this i mean this this was on one level I [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► wouldn't say this book is challenging i [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► didn't find it hard to read it right i [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► mean it is because it's using these kind [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► of sci-fi tropes iíve i found it [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► readable [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► i I just I just I guess found a little [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► bit off-putting and all i could see what [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► he was doing in his craftsmanship [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► I wasn't sure at the end of it that I [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► you know I really felt connected enough [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► to it to say I I you know enjoyed the [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► ride I more appreciated the work that [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► went into it then I enjoyed the ride I [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► guess but it's not it's not very subtle [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► book he isn't trying to hide his ground [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► it is all right there is like look at me [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► I'm a writer [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► well anyways that's that I mean that's [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► the whole book is look at me right i [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► mean it's me i'm a writer this is about [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► me or is it i want to i want to be a [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► very short passage that is that stuck [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► struck me as a writer and you guys will [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► appreciate this as well and it's clearly [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► as a writer this is the fantasy of every [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► writer is this is a section is it [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► location 1282 in the kindle edition [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► which is not IM 1282 after the card hole [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► 12 babies are very good talking about [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► the tow the textual object analysis [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► device that is interacts with him as he [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► is writing the book that he is reading [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► and the TM 31 is his time machine model [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► 31 that his father apparently prototypes [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► he says he's talking about reading the [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► book he says in essence my reading is a [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► creative act the product of which is [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► being captured by the toad i'm typing [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► even though strictly speaking I'm using [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► the TM 30 ones cognitive visual motor [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► sound active is activated recording [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► module which operates as you might guess [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► by simultaneously tracking output from [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► the users neural activity voice finger [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► movements retinol movements and facial [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► muscle contractions part keyboard part [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► microphone part optical scan and part [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► brain scan when I want to type i raise [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► my hands up in front of the palms down [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► in a position approximate IP typing in a [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► virtual qwerty layout materializes in [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► front of me and it goes on in that vein [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► that you can see the writer who is [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► probably having horrible problems [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► writing thinking of all the ways in [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► which devices could [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► he invented that would make the process [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► of writing easier by allowing all these [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► modalities that you know tap into your [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► brain your intentions and even your you [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► know subconscious basically i think it [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► and it comes out over here although i'm [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► not sure exactly what I'm thinking so I [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► don't know what's going to come out of [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► that reminds me a little of philip k [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► dick the man in the high castle which he [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► wrote i believe that this is to the [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► thing is verified is true by cast [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► casting eaching all the decisions he [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► made worth reaching the novel is kind of [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► crazy and viewers all over the place and [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► in the novel in the novel it's [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► understood that the universe doesn't [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► exist in which the characters live they [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► discovered this that it's a fake [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► parallel universe in which decisions are [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► being made de qing i'm looking at my [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► highlights on my candle actually for [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► this book and and here's here's the one [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► that I i highlighted that I think is [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► interesting this is from 26 27 and other [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► excellent location i love 260 uh my [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► inner monologue that running story I've [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► been telling myself ever since the [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► moment I learned to talk since before [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► that even since I learned to think the [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► story i began to tell while still in [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► diapers in the crib the babbling [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► commentary sometimes audible sometimes [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► not that accelerated into childhood and [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► then beyond became a tortured and [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► anguish story in puberty this decade [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► spanning confabulation that has [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► continued up until today up until this [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► very moment this monologue of my life [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► that will keep running and running and [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► running until it gets cut off abruptly [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► at the moment of my death and i thought [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► you know that was really interesting and [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► also again wheels within wheels you know [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► it's a story about telling the story [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► that it's about which isn't over yet [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► until it until it ends except that he he [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► ends it and then continues because he [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► shoots himself and didn't notice that [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► the end the book ends with a picture of [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► the book's cover an additional [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► information that appears to be the start [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► of the book just to make that all you [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► know sure we get there were some i will [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► say it's aight aight this is we're [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► talking about this and it makes it sound [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► like this is a really you know kind of a [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► downer of a book and it's not there's [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► actually a lot of funny stuff in it he [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► talks about playing games as a kid and [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► how they would play star wars and and [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► there's a hilarious part where he says [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► first first dibs get on [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► solo everyone knows that you don't have [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► to say it if you are first [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► you are Han Solo period which is great [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► awesome so there's a lot of funny stuff [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► in here to about this guy some [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► hitchhikers guide stuff too i mean not [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► some of it i think is no modulation some [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► of its just you know intentional but [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► like you know instead of having a [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► paranoid android he has a depressed hey [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► I who is pretty funny and and who [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► evolves over time and develops more of a [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► personality as a distinct entity you [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► know not just sort of a plot device by [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► the end of the book kind of a love story [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► really [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► yeah he's in love with his AI know it's [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► typical store typically sci-fi story [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► love with an artificial construct that's [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► right yeah we meet say I if it's your [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► typical the other yeah [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► the other item I i highlighted I i quote [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► from location 839 of course like it's [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► like a a sermon right like John book 3 [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► chapter 12 snow its location 839 is but [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► I love this because just as use of [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► language he says I stand there for a [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► while [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► shivering stuck trapped free and at that [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► moment where he he he's because he's [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► been trapped in this time machine and [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► then all of a sudden he's living in real [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► time and he has to walk around and he's [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► got like a whole night and he's staying [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► at his apartment where the guy at the [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► front desk keep seeing him come in every [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► day at but that over the last week he's [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► aged 10 years because we only spend the [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► night there occasionally and any street [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► and he's he's trapped now because he's [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► in time and so even though he's free his [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► freedom is a prison to him which is I [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► mean to go back to the point of busy [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► crazy he having there is that aspect of [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► it which is you know wow this is a guy [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► who does not want to live his life and [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► does not want time it in the world to to [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► move he just doesn't even want to be in [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► the world and it's unclear whether he [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► succeeds our door but it's awful it's an [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► uplifting story really [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► sorry man transcending himself [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► transcending himself facing suicide if [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► you shoot yourself in a time loop that [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► is a good question or is it murder [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► there's a there's a sci-fi story i [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► cannot recall the name of which is my [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► theme for today I can't call the name of [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► a sci-fi story in which kids are allowed [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► to visit the future like they take high [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► school kids on a trip into their own [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► future bodies in a way that they may not [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► remember entirely but they can see where [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► they go and it's a cut it's totally [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► ridiculous but there's a bit where this [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► very nerdy kid and the high school [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► beauty wind up like they're married and [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► she can't believe this in the future [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► they would be possibly be married you [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► know in their fifties or sixties and she [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► accepts it and they spend their life [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► together and understand what's going you [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► know they have this whatever week [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► together in the future and on the way [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► back like she somehow managed to get a [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► hold of a gun and she shoots him as they [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► are pulled back into the past and kills [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► him and destroys our own future like [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► murder-suicide time travel pretty great [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► little plot story not so good that plot [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► element excellent murder she will write [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► with the you know it [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► that reminds me of something my wife [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► always says about christmas christmas [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► movies and and and TV shows where [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► they're always trying to save Christmas [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► because it turns out the christmas is [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► just this close to being a radically [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► forever if one thing doesn't happen to [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► save it and that Dad strikes me as very [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► similar which is you know the future [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► future one little thing and the whole [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► future is ruined [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► oh I'm sorry I just stepped on a [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► butterfly should be in this part of this [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► podcast never existed [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► you can't because I can be over it never [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► began i'll say that's one of the most [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► disturbing thing about the crisis series [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► of DC Comics many many DC Comics a lot [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► of crisis let me tell you quickly [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► Infinite Crisis placing multiple [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► multiverse Christ standing Rice's [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► problem is in crisis if they have many [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► many crises but one of his a disturbing [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► most like metaphysically about those [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► books was the sort of retro acting like [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► none of these worlds ever existed [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► despite the complex you might have that [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► take place in them it like the you know [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► not only are you dead but you never [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► existed and such [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► horrible concept that I think science [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► fiction can express an existential like [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► a double existential dread that is [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► impossible to to present in on [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► speculative fiction because then we [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► cannot speculate that we never existed [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► in you know a traditional narrative and [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► what does that say about the people who [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► read science fiction [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► that's what I want to know where all [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► depressed again I'm not every science [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► because it makes me happy smiley it is a [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► happy happy thing I I yeah it's a it's i [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► don't know i don't even know what I'm [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► saying now i will stand more over here [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► he would agree with you he'd make it [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► alright good [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► he would know it's it's you know the [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► whole idea of the you've never even [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► existed in and all that man that's what [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► I love about science fiction is that you [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► can add to talk about Charles use book I [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► mean he's using the science fictional [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► concepts to talk about his own life and [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► that's one of the things I love about [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► science fiction is that you can tell a [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► story and make it interesting and and [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► and make an argument even in a way that [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► you wouldn't necessarily do in something [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► that was mainstream by by changing the [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► parameters you are able to explore the [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► concept more than you would if you were [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► burdened by today's reality and that [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► goes back to you know Star Trek telling [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► you know that parables were Frank [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► Gorshin is you know half black and half [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► white and can't we all just get along [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► and whom that might have some bearing [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► and modern sixties culture but i think [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► it's true that one of the things I love [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► about size that you can explore these [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► concepts that might be much more [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► difficult to explore if you are grounded [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► in reality by taking it out of reality [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► and making it completely ridiculous but [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► and sci-fi is the best sci-fi i think is [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► often not about the future but about the [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► president's right so frightened think [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► about that right why you could argue [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► that yeah that that any good size is [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► really about when it was written and the [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► perceptions of the future and where [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► things are going at the time it was [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► written i'm going to write a kind of [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► science fiction looks backwards so that [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► it's it's the year 2010 and mainframe [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► computers [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► with giant vacuum tubes are still in use [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► and that's always been your guests are [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► all things that ya know steampunk that's [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► steampunk positive we're still living in [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► 1800 we have the technology is there is [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► retro retro steampunk in which it's the [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► 21st century but we're using steampunk [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► technology i have wow I've outstripped [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► you I've stripped from here you blow my [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► mind [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► you blew my vacuum too so so let's in [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► the in the in the future podcast will be [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► radio program thousand that would be [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► awesome [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► let's talk about time travel a little [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► bit that wewe with Charles you obviously [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► we have a story that's all about time [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► travel [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► I'm wondering though this is such a [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► common concept in sci-fi writing and [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► there's so many things to choose from [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► i'm wondering if you guys have any [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► particular instances of of time-travel [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► novels that you've particularly liked or [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► disliked Scott yes I think I uh-huh [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► that is as though I knew this question [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► was going to be asked because I have an [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► answer I i would point to probably the [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► first and this may in fact be the first [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► science-fiction novel I ever read so and [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► i haven't read it since I was you know [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► in elementary school I imagine a time [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► and again by Jack Finney which is all [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► about time travel and jack but he also [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► wrote invasion of the Body Snatchers if [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► anyone cares about that and so the great [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► thing about this book is it set in New [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► York which I always liked reading books [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► that are set in New York City and the [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► main character travels back in time to [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► eighteen hundreds New York which is also [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► something that I had shohei in fact this [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► may have this book may have started [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► mother at all starting your obsession [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► with eighteen hundreds of new york [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► Oh [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► and so the idea is that the government [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► its 1970 and the government starts this [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► program to figure out if they can time [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► travel and the way they think that you [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► can time travel is if you live so it's [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► in 1970 so they after this warehouse [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► with a you know period rooms and they [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► have people live as though they were in [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► you know 1880 and using only the power [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► of your mind you are transported to that [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► time period so that the main character [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► does in fact transport himself to that [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► time period and a variety of hijinks [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► ensue and including where he's the [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► government wants him to change the past [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► so that you know certain things don't [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► happen and people don't meet that need [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► to meet and he you know so it's a very [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► interesting book and kind of a [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► prototypical to me at least a [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► time-travel science fiction novel and it [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► has illustrations [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► oh nice when what about you [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► I'm gonna reach into the past to I guess [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► appropriate for talking about time for [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► coupling say grace upon a time was [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► probably one of my are James P Hogan [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► yeah now he did he pass away he recently [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► passed away and he actually lived for [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► several years in my hometown and I met [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► him when I was kid and Delta and yes a [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► very nice fellow and it's definitely [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► passed away recently and in 2010 [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► I think I dedicate this podcast today we [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► do to James P hogan who wrote great by [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► the way great novel love inherit the [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► stars which was written on a band glow [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► familiar i don't recall that the it was [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► written on a bad we're all that he was [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► working at digital equipment in Ireland [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► i think at the time and and he said he [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► had this idea of astronauts go to the [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► moon and they find a dead body of an of [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► a guy in a spacesuit that is completely [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► unrecognizable that's been there for [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► thousands of years and it's something [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► supplement up and and one of his [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► co-workers said I i bet you can't write [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► that story and he did and he got it [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► published and that was his first novel [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► you know it has like has a fantastic [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► cover because i just googled it [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► it doesn't it lets the two it's the two [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► astronauts and you can get I think we [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► mentioned on a podcast before [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► actually available for free download on [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► pub download I believe still from band [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► like it's got that great cover with the [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► two astronauts who are looking over a [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► rock and there's the guy the dead the [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► skeleton any orange space yeah it kind [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► of looks like a rebel fighter from Star [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► Wars yeah and it's and that's actually [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► the start of a series there are sequels [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► although it doesn't read like to also [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► mention things that we mentioned in [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► previous podcast it doesn't it's not [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► like there were he wrote one book and [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► chopped into three to make you buy three [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► books and it stands alone but then some [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► of the concepts that come out in the [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► kind of you know fascinating and semi [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► scientifically inaccurate but still [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► fascinating resolution to this plot of [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► how this guy could be their leadoff to [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► the sequel books which are actually also [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► pretty good anyway the three upon a time [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► is more hard sci-fi about how would you [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► send a message back in time right yeah [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► that's that's right and I i wanted to [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► point out that some of the best fiction [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► ever written was written because of bar [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► bets and then that's so what does a best [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► buy CS lewis wrote his perelandra series [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► because he and I and J are talking were [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► great buddies sort of challenge each [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► other to wright sci fi books and oddly [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► talking never wrote his I would have [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► been curious to see ants in the space it [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► would have been boring [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► yeah we've been terribly boy but wait [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► until tom bombadil appears at the space [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► books to sing his space song in a [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► strange language for saving our april [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► edition comfortable being developed as [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► we speak we working on the script for [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► that race upon a time for a spot of time [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► one so this is guest book about nineteen [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► eighty and i think i read it right [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► around that time so I was one-year-old [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► know i was about was a 12 at the time [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► perfect time to i was already exposed to [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► sci-fi but I read this book and I i [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► remember i read it again several years [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► ago and I remember it so distinctly [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► because it's a very sweet book it's got [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► hard-science elements in it it's got a [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► very innocent love story in the middle [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► it's got tales of loyalty it's got [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► kittens or a kitten i should say a sort [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► of quantum kitten in its the most [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► dangerous kind any instead of a [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► butterfly [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► there's a ball of paper bomb bomb bomb [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► bomb that plays a key role in it but [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► but i think the book part of it is it's [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► his just such a sweet book that the [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► basic plot is that this fellow is uncle [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► like an oversized uncle or a distant [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► relative goes to work with his uncle in [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► somewhere in the UK and Scotland write a [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► lot about the plot i should i should [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► come prepared with a lot but this fellow [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► has developed a machine this older [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► fellows developed a device that allows [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► you to send a message back in time but [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► only two previous versions of the same [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► machine right which is a brilliant [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► concept in on a different basis in [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► reality yeah there's some stereo exactly [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► you could build conceivably have some [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► theories check out and you might have to [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► you know who knows what the machines [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► nature be or the size of it or the power [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► requirements but it is conceivable you [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► could build a machine that if the theory [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► were consistent future iterations of the [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► machine or other devices could [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► correspond so kind of he was a way ahead [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► of his time it right the movie primer is [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► very similar which I love by the way and [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► i highly recommend and in that movie you [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► have to build the time machine flip it [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► on and then wait and then in the future [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► you can get in it and come back to the [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► point where you flipped it on right and [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► I sorta like sort of like that ties in [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► with Hawkins theories and so forth so [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► will you know what we want to the math [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► here of course will be working on their [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► own [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► that's right home but your whiteboard [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► but yeah yeah it's all I'm so you know [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► where I found the detail it is Murdock [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► Ross and his friend visit marks [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► grandfather in Scotland I didn't over [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► some details [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► he's figured this out in what happens is [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► this is a seminal year in which is [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► supposed to be oh it's supposed to be [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► december 2009 even I didn't realize this [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► was set more in the future that is on [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► our far the future and want to the earth [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► be like the photograph for the drawing [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► on the covers marvelous is using a pet [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► computer clearly a pet with three minor [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► modifications awesome but anyway that so [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► the novel is just a bunch of events [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► happen that you're including again from [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► the future Large Hadron Collider style [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► micro black holes being created after [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► the device is switched on not because of [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► the device so they're able through the [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► device to continuously change history [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► and very small ways but only within the [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► confines of the narrative structure [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► which is one thing is beautiful and the [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► fellow falls in love doesn't fall in [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► love falls and his friend is dying is [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► not dying [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► he kidding basketball one-way wallpaper1 [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► the other and the book ends with the [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► sort of cliffhanger everything I don't [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► believe that a sequel was ever written [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► but it was sort of you know sort of a [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► throwaway as the developers machine [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► wakes up one morning it starts the first [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► time you turn it on it spews out [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► hundreds or thousands of pages [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► information including a note from the [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► Queen explaining how the entire planet [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► will be destroyed that his mom it's [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► funny the the well james hogan road [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► another time travel book called the [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► Proteas operation which is it is [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► interesting it but it's mostly [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► historical stories about world war two [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► and the premises that it's the seventies [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► and I the United States is the last [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► country to have not fallen to Nazi [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► domination and they build a time machine [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► and send a small team of people back to [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► the beginning of world war two to see if [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► they can change the course of history [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► and what's delightful about it is [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► everything that does they do in back in [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► time of course is setting this alternate [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► timeline right into our history so [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► they're making our history from this [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► alternate timeline which is i love i [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► love the time travel story in Reverse [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► where you're not trying to not change [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► the future they're actively trying to [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► change the future and what they changed [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► it to is our present our our history [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► that's good i think it's a good one and [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► it's similar in some ways to the book I [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► was going to mention one of the books I [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► was going to mention which is Timescape [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► by Gregory Benford [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► oh yes which from 1981 are nineteen [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► eighty somewhere in there which I love [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► partially because it's at UCSD where I [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► went to college it's it's kind of a [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► downer i have to say because it said in [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► a future time that uh there's been I [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► think ecological disasters and [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► catastrophes and essentially the [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► messages to be you can send messages [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► back in time but sadly it doesn't [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► actually save the people who are sending [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► them because you create your branch off [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► what happens at one point in the story [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► is that they they make so many changes [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► the information they're sending back and [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► I'm again trying to base this on [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► scientific reality the information [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► they're sending back in time is so great [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► at one point that it can't reconcile [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► itself with the with the future and so [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► it sheared off into a parallel universe [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► soho so the these guys don't succeed in [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► saving themselves they succeed in [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► creating a parallel universe that can [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► hopefully avoid the mistakes that led to [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► this point so it's really kind of dark [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► but it's also a very cool very cool [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► story so I I'm out that was a hugo [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► winner 24 or nebula winner it's what we [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► want a couple of those big awards and [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► it's good and that Benford who wrote [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► that Gregory Benford and Greg bear and [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► david brin I think all were at UCSD [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► around the killer period yeah i think [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► they're all at UCSD which I didn't [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► realize when I went there you know ten [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► years later to the model seattle-based [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► interesting well that's where you go you [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► go from one end of the i-5 to the other [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► end to bring in there are local killer [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► bees and what else i want to mention i [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► want to mention connie willis who's [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► written a bunch of great time around [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► looks the best my favorite of which i [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► would say i'm not going to go for [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► doomsday book which is also it down or [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► I'm gonna go for to say nothing of the [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► dog which we mentioned i know in this [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► podcast hilarious sort of book of [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► Victorian manners [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► except it's about time travel just very [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► funny funny book for for somebody who's [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► written these sort of serious books are [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► current pair of books about the Blitz [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► and that book about doomsday book which [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► is about the plague are really dark and [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► yet to say nothing of a dog is it is one [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► of the funniest things I've ever read [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► it's a very funny book [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► speaking of funny books that have been [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► mentioned on the podcast before Jasper [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► Ford's thursday next series includes a [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► character Thursday Next father Colonel [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► next was a member of the spec up 12 [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► which is an organization that a does [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► time travel and in the in that universe [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► they're able to time travel because at [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► some point in the future time travel [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► will be invented so that they can time [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► travel and he's gone rogue [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► so the the spec op 12 [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► sent agents to interrupt his conception [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► so he was never existed he never exists [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► but he does through some kind of [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► manipulation through time he's able to [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► exist and he pops up and helps Thursday [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► Next through her adventures every once [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► in a while I would also mention outside [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► no go ahead i would also mention the [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► evolutionary void which I wanted to [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► mention in passing i will mention again [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► we talked about what we are reading but [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► it has is very it's a trilogy has a very [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► odd conception of time travel in it [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► which is that rather than travel through [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► time you store the a pocket universe [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► inside our universe powered by [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► destroying stars outside this pocket [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► universe stores a backup copy of [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► everything that's happened it's time [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► machine for a time machine at the apple [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► product for science fiction so if [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► something goes wrong you can consciously [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► cause the entire universe you're into [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► rewind at great great expense to the [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► star fields outside and then just do it [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► over and the story of the the source of [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► trilogy and the story centers on a bunch [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► of Brazilian characters and it's like [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► 2,000 pages long but it's a unique [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► anything unique conception of time [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► travel as a capability of resetting [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► reality as opposed to traveling through [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► the outside reality continues to flow at [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► normal time while this pocket universe [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► is entirely different reality in which [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► the changed events can be seen as well [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► as other the old events can be seen as [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► part of a narrative in which the change [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► occurs within it isn't that the [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► resolution of the latest season of [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► doctor who basically that they have a [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► backup for the end of her it's only have [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► a reboot it's on a backup it's more like [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► open Amy Amy remembers things and that's [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► she's the backup [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► it's like an install disk alright okay [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► the TARDIS is the back by air installer [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► no no it's now ask but the great thing [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► about time travel is that you can get it [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► to do anything anything you want because [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► it's just kind of crazy and ridiculous [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► as long as you put the word tacky and [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► front of enough thing sure [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► Bergeron you can do anything you want so [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► the other book i want to mention and we [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► exchanged email about this so i know [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► what's coming that I that I love love [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► love love [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► uh-huh uh-huh is the Time Traveler's [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► Wife yea big land may have transformed [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► into an angry gorilla holic smash i love [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► the time traveler's wife and i and maybe [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► that makes me a girl [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► well my husband say my wife loves the [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► time traveler's wife so all so they're [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► they're gonna know she has great taste [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► there are no she married me oh yeah we [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► all make sound effects on the show I can [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► provide some of them i well i will i'll [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► admit i did not read the entire time [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► travelers wife i stopped at a point [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► which irritated me so great that I [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► thought I might explode and so I had to [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► put it down now save the planet wasn't [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► your wasn't your argument that you [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► didn't like the time travelers wife [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► because it was so obvious what was going [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► to happen and so what's the point of the [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► whole thing [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► well it was no was the heavy-handedness [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► of the foreshadowing which i think is I [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► which may be exactly what you just said [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► stated more pretentious indie but i [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► don't know i think my feet I don't know [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► is im Michael any human reactionary as [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► somebody who had a glint off and Wilson [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► will make a point which is I usually [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► quite right that somebody post something [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► online and Glynis a little let me guess [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► you're an engineer right because it's [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► this application of a very specific way [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► of thinking and I have to admit I add [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► that response when Glenn told me that he [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► hated the time traveler's wife because [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► he's like but it's it's so obvious and [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► it's heavy-handed and this is what's [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► going to happen in my response was of [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► course it's going to happen that's the [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► that's the whole point the the time [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► traveler's wife is is just a story about [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► a married couple who meet and fall in [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► love and have a kid and live their life [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► and then they die and one of them dies [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► and the other one is left without the [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► other one and it that's the story of [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► every marriage with the exception being [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► that they put one of them in a blender [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► and his time stream get split up like [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► you know Billy Pilgrim style which is [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► what gives it its it's spin but what I [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► liked about it is in the end you know [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► yes it's this question of what happened [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► to him and it's very clear i think early [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► on what's going to happen to him Glen to [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► your point yes haha they they never [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► really wanted to talk about where her [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► father showed up with his shotgun and [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► seemed to stir [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► but for some reason there was blood I [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► wonder if that will be important later I [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► may not course it will be important [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► later but I i still love it because you [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► know in the end it is to me that book is [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► about the inevitability of of a married [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► couple couple loves each other as much [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► as you could possibly love one another [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► being separated by death and that you [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► know the perspective is different [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► because after he dies they still see him [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► because he's in this kaleidoscope of of [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► time travel and you know I I thought it [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► was really cool to take a ride through a [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► couple's relationship from that outside [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► you know I outside twisted perspective [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► of a viewing it out of order which you [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► know Steven Moffat is actually done [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► basically lift lifted that premise and [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► is using it for the river song plot in [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► Doctor Who where they're also having [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► their relationship happen out of order [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► that's right we've already seen in yeah [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► well let me tell you two things one is I [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► will confess this is a live on the air [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► convection actually thought the book was [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► quite beautiful and what hit me was as I [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► got to the point at which i suddenly [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► realized that it was going to be a total [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► heart tearing tearjerker [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► I found I couldn't take it I hit I mean [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► like somewhere I don't know was made the [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► third of the way windows meet her in the [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► library the first time she has met him [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► as when she's an adult and he's never [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► met her before or yeah that's about yeah [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► yeah there's the scene where he hasn't [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► she meets him as a child right he in a [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► library [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► he needs her for the first time and of [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► course she knows him very well and he [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► has no idea who she is [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► he's perfectly pleased because they go [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► back and you know well she's hot and jen [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► and she loves him and he's definitely [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► know who the hell she is so he's like [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► alright have desirable intercourse [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► yeah so the I think I hit that point of [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► the book and there were a few elements [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► that were revealed clearly and i was and [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► i just i found it didn't have the [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► stomach to at that point to read further [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► and I could play the personal card i [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► think it may have been after my mother [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► died [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► see now i'm getting all weepy he'll make [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► it all very personal know it but i think [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► that was the thing is like I hit a point [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► where I just I so i will actually [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► recanting my position is [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► it's not that I didn't like it i thought [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► that i thought the foreshadowing was too [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► heavy-handed but I also because the book [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► was so well-constructed I could see the [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► Machine returning was gonna make me [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► miserable and I thought I don't this is [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► like the UH the Doctor Who statements [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► like you know sometimes nobody dies [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► right this is episode of doctor who [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► wears a few of them like the doctor [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► dances and it the silence and libraries [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► as part 2 which is technically people do [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► die but whatever am a back to get a [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► backup so it's ok it's it's that notion [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► that in this universe which everything [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► is this in the doctors university [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► there's always massive amounts of death [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► and destruction whatever sometimes [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► nobody dies so I have that reaction was [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► like you know I am NOT ready to watch [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► this sink is an evil guy castro my fate [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► be killed and what is clearly going to [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► be a horrible method and all the loss [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► that goes with it so I I my back off on [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► my previous statement it is a sad it is [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► a sad book but at the same time I i do [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► think it's a very sweet and beautiful [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► and you don't hurt Saturday was the [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► movie bahaha yeah i heard really was not [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► it's true no but the book the book is [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► beautiful and i love how the book ends I [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► mean the book ends with hit with because [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► he you know he dies from their [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► perspective but he's still traveling [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► throughout his life and it ends with the [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► last time the oldest he sees her right [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► so from his respective it's the oldest [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► she sees her from her perspective it's [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► the last time she sees him before she [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► dies and she's extremely old and it and [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► it's so sad but it is beautiful at the [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► same time that that it's this tragic [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► story and yet at the same time you know [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► it's it's beautiful that he hit you know [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► his his gift is also allowed them to [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► keep seeing him after he's died so that [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► is a river song thing river song has the [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► book of all those times she's seen the [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► doctor and keeps flipping backwards in [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► silence the library she finally finds [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► wait a minute we haven't she finally [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► realized they haven't met yet this be [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► right where the start of her jewellery [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► and she has the character in time [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► travelers like she has a list that he [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► gave her which I was talking about here [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► now isn't that is until they didn't [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► figure out they figure out how to sync [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► it up its yeah it's interesting so Scott [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► your wife liked it did you [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► yet I did not read it because it sounded [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► a little too girly for my taste you but [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► I i I'm narrow-minded so that that is [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► the it's great i really i really like [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► reenacted so i love the fact that he's [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► the camry the character the main [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► character [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► I'm sorry I spoiled it all for you now [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► Scott but now I don't need to read it [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► because the depressive apparently but [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► it's no it's great because you know it [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► says a lot of things about relationships [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► so again i apologize for being a girl [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► but it's a lot of things about the upper [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► relationships that are so true [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► especially as you get older that I'm you [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► know we we meet him you know it's just [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► funny because you meet him as an adult [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► as a full-fledged adult who knows what's [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► going on and then the first time you [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► really meet him he's you know in his [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► twenties and is is still going out to [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► punk rock concerts and has is Paris kind [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► of funny and his closer kind of funny [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► and it and it's hilarious because it's [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► like oh this guy doesn't have it [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► together at all he he gets it together [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► later and you got it you got a lot of [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► studying in which he as a teenager [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► appears naked in the room his own room [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► with himself and the father walks in ya [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► ya little hilarious it'sit's there's [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► some good stuff in it anyway so I bring [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► up the time traveler's wife as well so [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► those of you out there who are not [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► afraid of your of your standing in terms [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► of all you men out there who are not [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► afraid of your masculinity and all of [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► you women out there who bless you for [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► listening to this podcast which is all [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► men today you know it's a great i love [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► we have shaved during this podcast love [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► that book [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► uh speaking of women who listen to the [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► podcast my my my wife does not listen to [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► the podcast because we were at powell's [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► when we visited portland and she said oh [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► the windup girl I want to read that book [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► and I said didn't you listen to the game [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► the the podcast where we talked about it [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► just like you're on a podcast that [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► yeah well she can listen to it after she [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► reads the one my wife has a negative [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► interest in science fiction or interest [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► in science fiction is so low it makes [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► other people not read it wow that's [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► impressive [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► it's like a two-hour it shine wrote [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► science fiction my wife like science [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► fiction but I she basically waits for me [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► to recommend something to her and it's [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► like if it's good enough [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► for me to be like oh you got to read [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► this then she'll read it but she's not [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► going to pick it up by the way she [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► figures i can be her screener which is [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► fair enough my life like science fiction [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► she just doesn't like listening to me so [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► oh well I i can understand that I in [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► July however I enjoy listening to you [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► but she gets to listen to you all the [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► time it's true [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► non-stop I don't know if she has to [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► listen to canned can scott when she's [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► away from you so i could listen to Scott [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► talking some more you did for me to [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► travel more and then the podcast will [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► grow fonder uh-huh that's true i should [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► leave my wife and then jobs this podcast [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► a so what makes the mp3 grow fonder [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► before we before we wrap up this podcast [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► i want to go around the room which it [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► will be not take very much time since [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► we're the only ones who read that book [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► if you attack ask your it yes in the [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► triangle of the book club [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► the musical question what are you [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► reading [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► Scott what are you reading I am really [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► something that is not science fiction [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► ok I i will admit is the third book in a [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► series of books called mr. slaughter [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► it's by Robert mccammon and it is about [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► a character by the name of Matthew [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► Corbett who is well starts off as a law [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► clerk in 1699 so it's cool it's set in [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► the colonial America and he is in New [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► York it he actually does live in New [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► your heart so it is colonial New York [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► I'm going even further back and more [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► specific with my mysteries that i read [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► and so in this book he is looking for a [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► bad guy named mr. slaughter not to be [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► confused with sergeant slaughter [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► wow it's very good all right Glenn what [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► about you i just recently finished [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► reading a couple big things one is [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► mentioned earlier is the evolutionary [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► void part of a insanely long series of [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► three books by Peter F Hamilton whose [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► work I really quite like Hamilton's [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► writing but he mostly over rights but [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► man he's got a lot of detail he really [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► feels the need to express it in 700-page [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► books so i think the void trilogy is [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► like I want to say it's like 2,000 pages [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► long i'm not sure i'm exaggerating again [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► I don't think you are [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► he only wrote he also wrote his earlier [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► books he wrote a detective side my [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► detective thing and those are much [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► shorter [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► oh I didn't I well I think over time [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► people get less constrained if they sell [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► stuff it necessarily it's the neal [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► stephenson syndrome [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► yeah but there's also on pandora star [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► and Judas Unchained or earlier books [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► like white I think our little more zippy [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► and stories and those that I detail but [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► so the void books i mean the the [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► evolutionary void just came out and read [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► it on the kindle because the book weigh [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► 700 pounds and i use the kindle app to [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► avoid hurting my arms while reading this [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► behemoth it's definitely entertaining I [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► again I think too many words across [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► three books but the story is basically [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► there's a religious movement that spread [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► across the you know a alliance of many [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► planets occupied by human beings that [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► this primary character the dreamer first [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► dreamer can see dreams of this pocket [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► universe that show a different kind of [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► life and people eventually want to [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► migrate into this pocket universe but [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► another race of beings has fought it [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► back for thousands of years many [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► millions or something and the end if [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► everyone were to go into that universe [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► they would create such an energy suck on [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► the you-know-what real universe that the [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► universe would cease to exist in there [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► be this kind of weird resettable pocket [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► universe so it's I think it's always a [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► rousing the tail but it is very [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► interesting some good metaphysics a lot [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► of them great explosions and fights [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► really well depicted huge amounts of [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► destruction and sadistic evil people and [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► it's it's kind of fun [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► I don't have finished all right now [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► because now it's good to read it because [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► it's all done so because the bond I have [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► with his books is whenever he you know [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► he has to write them so [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► you read one and you have to wait a year [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► or year and a half to read the other one [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► and then i have read no idea what [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► happened so you have read the first [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► thats not realizing was a trilogy [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► planned trilogy make five years ago [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► the other thing I just finished reading [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► as I got the collected versions of DC [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► Comics blackest day brightest [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► black-and-white rather like write a nice [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► day blackest night series where it was [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► across you know 400 different comic book [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► series in there whatever I got the [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► collective versions of the library to [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► read as I found is a great way to catch [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► up on a lot of comics because they put [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► everything together in one place and you [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► don't have piles of strewn confusing [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► things and I found the story's really [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► sort of in comprehensible and messianic [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► and bizarre but not too bad not too bad [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► is no it's again library collections of [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► comics a great way to actually catch up [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► on some of the interesting stuff that's [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► going on in comics without getting a [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► message to the inn you know buying 500 [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► copies than trying to collate the order [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► in which things happen [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► that's a Green Lantern thing is nothing [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► yeah it's I mean it's interesting it's [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► all of a sudden it turns out it turns [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► out the Guardians of the Universe [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► they're hiding something [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► providing is there are other colors in [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► the spectrum [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► well sort of the plot I'm shocked go to [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► that also sounds lame [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► so I read a lot of books on my my [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► Christmas vacation i read a couple of [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► nonfiction so now again Scott yes these [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► are not science fiction either but i [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► think people might like them because [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► there's a science book the only place in [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► 19th century or if if you like if you [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► like science i read a very entertaining [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► book about astronomy and about the [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► process of discovering things in the [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► professional astronomers go to go [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► through called love the titles by Mike [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► Brown who discovered the the plant the [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► not planet- Minor Planet eros it's [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► discovered a lot of these these distant [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► solar system objects including one that [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► is bigger than Pluto which led to the [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► whole existential crisis about is Pluto [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► a planet or not and it has the [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► delightful title how I killed Pluto and [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► why it had it coming [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► yeah he was guest blogging on-going [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► going for a while and stuff your very [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► eyes he's a funny guy [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► it's a good book and it really does talk [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► about it talk about his personal life in [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► an interesting way and his life as a [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► professional astronomer and [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► what they went through and there's [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► actually a little bit of scandal limit [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► too because there's a disputed discovery [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► where it looks like this team of [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► astronomers discovered that they could [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► use a google search to search the data [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► of the telescope that they were using to [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► discover these objects and and the name [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► of one of the objects that they were [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► working on it been published in a in a [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► basically like a toc for an advanced [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► version of this of a kind of conference [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► or something and so they did a search [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► for it turned out that they have the [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► telescope blogs and you know allegedly [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► they then use that data to pre discover [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► it before the team that was actually had [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► already discovered just it's it's a good [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► story and and it's funny and if you love [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► Pluto and are very angry that it's not a [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► planet anymore don't read it but [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► otherwise a lot of fun i also read a not [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► as good but a good book if you've ever [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► wondered why the large hadron collider [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► exists and what they're really trying to [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► find there's a good book by Gandhi and [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► sample who works at I think the Guardian [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► in London called massive the missing [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► particle that sparked the greatest hunt [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► in science which explains a lot about [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► the arms race that led to the large [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► hadron collider and the failure of the [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► u.s. to create the superconducting [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► supercollider and sort of the politics [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► of that along with the science and that [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► was a pretty good read to and also [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► pretty fast read and then I novel wise [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► I've been engrossed and I cursed and [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► mourn for doing this to me but I've been [TS]