The Incomparable

18: Christmas with the Doctor


00:00:00   the incomparable podcast episode 80 [TS]

00:00:10   christmas 2010 [TS]

00:00:15   this is us this is a quick one yes it's [TS]

00:00:19   a quick flash it's a flash pass [TS]

00:00:21   yes the Rose recent podcasts we'll see [TS]

00:00:23   you next year and then this can be like [TS]

00:00:24   a surprise haha Christmas podcast [TS]

00:00:28   podcast it's a Christmas miracle [TS]

00:00:31   oh yeah Oh featuring Jim Nabors god no [TS]

00:00:37   this podcast is over but that began this [TS]

00:00:40   podcast has just begun hundred a hundred [TS]

00:00:46   and then to see that's when you that's [TS]

00:00:48   what you gotta admit that's when you cut [TS]

00:00:49   in the doctor came in [TS]

00:00:54   it's being comfortable podcast [TS]

00:00:57   mobile [TS]

00:01:11   it's close to midnight we're getting [TS]

00:01:16   morning is ladies and gentlemen and you [TS]

00:01:18   can tell and it's Christmas night as we [TS]

00:01:21   record this i'm jason l and this is the [TS]

00:01:24   uncomfortable podcast after dark after [TS]

00:01:27   christmas a day and after most [TS]

00:01:30   importantly after the doctor who [TS]

00:01:33   christmas special the Christmas Carol [TS]

00:01:36   which aired today in both England and [TS]

00:01:39   the United States actually we could be [TS]

00:01:41   talking about this legally and not [TS]

00:01:45   because of bittorrent although I realize [TS]

00:01:47   that many of us probably saw it on [TS]

00:01:49   bittorrent I could say honestly want to [TS]

00:01:51   make an admission here [TS]

00:01:52   listen the first episode of the new [TS]

00:01:53   Doctor Who that i have seen first by a [TS]

00:01:57   legal means I I 2i to just watch the BBC [TS]

00:02:02   america version of this with commercials [TS]

00:02:04   and everything and if you got some of [TS]

00:02:06   the commercials [TS]

00:02:07   some of them were kind of interesting it [TS]

00:02:09   slightly did choices it makes thousands [TS]

00:02:11   of universes at once [TS]

00:02:13   yeah it's hard to see infomercial are [TS]

00:02:15   just infomercial that's right and miss [TS]

00:02:19   Alice and commercial breaks are very [TS]

00:02:20   strange in Doctor Who there they're [TS]

00:02:22   wrong [TS]

00:02:23   really yeah it was very strange to get [TS]

00:02:24   every time we hit a cliffhanger right [TS]

00:02:26   now what will happen and then to [TS]

00:02:28   actually go to a commercial break very [TS]

00:02:31   jarring is at least they don't edit [TS]

00:02:33   anything out so it was like an hour and [TS]

00:02:35   20 minutes with commercials but at least [TS]

00:02:36   they keep it all intact which is good [TS]

00:02:39   yes at one point that was the only way [TS]

00:02:42   you could watch television is with [TS]

00:02:43   commercials also me phones carry rotor [TS]

00:02:47   dials that's madness and that is a [TS]

00:02:50   plug-in all the lights that these days [TS]

00:02:51   they don't believe you let me introduce [TS]

00:02:53   my cast of characters by the way because [TS]

00:02:54   i'm drinking beer and and i realized [TS]

00:02:56   that i missed several important portions [TS]

00:02:58   of the format are joining us via Skype [TS]

00:03:02   from his iphone from somewhere in a wet [TS]

00:03:03   upstate New York where he wrote where he [TS]

00:03:06   celebrated the holiday with his family [TS]

00:03:08   DN more'n I Jason hi there i'll make you [TS]

00:03:11   say other things later using editing ha [TS]

00:03:14   and joining me from I think los angeles [TS]

00:03:18   greater los angeles where she is [TS]

00:03:19   celebrated the holiday with her family [TS]

00:03:21   rain Caldwell hi hello good to have [TS]

00:03:25   here from Philadelphia where he [TS]

00:03:26   celebrated his holiday alone [TS]

00:03:28   it's got Mykelti oh excuse me while I [TS]

00:03:32   continue to weep [TS]

00:03:34   Oh through a confluence of it's sort of [TS]

00:03:36   like a sitcom really the Scots the link [TS]

00:03:38   but wait that means I'll be alone for [TS]

00:03:40   the oh no because it was her and my [TS]

00:03:44   mother telling me that said she called [TS]

00:03:46   me and the first thing she said hello [TS]

00:03:48   mom and she said thing she said was [TS]

00:03:50   Christmas is cancelled which was in the [TS]

00:03:53   doctor who christmas rap haha oh very [TS]

00:03:56   good [TS]

00:03:57   Wow and Glenn fleischmann from Seattle [TS]

00:03:59   who did you celebrate this holiday at [TS]

00:04:01   all or did you just get Chinese food [TS]

00:04:03   I i celebrated in every possible way [TS]

00:04:06   except involving a certain individual [TS]

00:04:09   boring 2,010 years ago [TS]

00:04:12   Santa Claus yes that's right huh it's [TS]

00:04:15   because the party pressure is pretty [TS]

00:04:16   much my Christianity and I Jeff also [TS]

00:04:18   notice Jeff I i am and i should say that [TS]

00:04:21   I'm I'm speaking to you from the [TS]

00:04:22   sovereign state of Arizona where I spent [TS]

00:04:26   the favorite place with my favorite [TS]

00:04:28   place [TS]

00:04:29   papers please idiots amusing scheduling [TS]

00:04:31   this podcast I kept trying to explain it [TS]

00:04:33   in terms of pacific time I'm actually on [TS]

00:04:35   mountain time so I kept having to you [TS]

00:04:39   know pretend to be a time zone i'm not [TS]

00:04:40   actually in because Arizona refuses to [TS]

00:04:43   daylight savings and it's a hotel right [TS]

00:04:45   there you go anyway doctor who doctor [TS]

00:04:48   who doctor whom I'm this is this is the [TS]

00:04:52   what the 5th 6 christmas special they've [TS]

00:04:56   done it once the particles in yet three [TS]

00:04:59   cities isn't a quarter results series [TS]

00:05:03   even after breakfast didn't have one [TS]

00:05:04   because the United regenerated right and [TS]

00:05:06   I was right about hates Christmas [TS]

00:05:09   Christmas asian 2005 david tennant began [TS]

00:05:12   so precise invasion seriously the mall [TS]

00:05:14   today the next Doctor to doctor who are [TS]

00:05:17   the Doctor Who proms if anybody saw any [TS]

00:05:19   of them were actually pretty awesome [TS]

00:05:21   yeah they were age of voyage of the [TS]

00:05:22   Damned yeah that's right the runaway [TS]

00:05:24   bride [TS]

00:05:24   that's right that's the end for the end [TS]

00:05:26   of time part 10 you're ready i forgot [TS]

00:05:29   about this is not always like that [TS]

00:05:30   figures especially because the six then [TS]

00:05:32   yes this is the second set of questions [TS]

00:05:35   wikipedia says well as we had the weird [TS]

00:05:37   here where it was actually the end of [TS]

00:05:39   this special yeah I was a leap year it's [TS]

00:05:41   a lovely tradition though I think it's [TS]

00:05:44   barely IM it's not Christmas without [TS]

00:05:46   doctor who now for me I feel like oh [TS]

00:05:49   yeah that's the reason for the season [TS]

00:05:51   I spend spend Christmas with my cousins [TS]

00:05:54   and their two daughters and they're all [TS]

00:05:55   we finished you know escorted the rest [TS]

00:05:57   of the family out with each other to [TS]

00:05:59   doctor who touched you immediately into [TS]

00:06:02   the living room fired up the DVR [TS]

00:06:04   that's a beautiful thing it was a [TS]

00:06:07   beautiful thing [TS]

00:06:08   it's funny how Christmas season after [TS]

00:06:09   being russell davies book writers tail [TS]

00:06:11   it's clear that they're like they're [TS]

00:06:12   sort of freak at the same time they want [TS]

00:06:14   to do some really dark things such as as [TS]

00:06:18   a spoiler warning off this is all [TS]

00:06:19   spoiler ordinary alright yes yes was [TS]

00:06:21   officially fire off the Christmas [TS]

00:06:22   spoiler horn now the angry and very well [TS]

00:06:26   so that you know this episode [TS]

00:06:29   well 4003 people are going to be killed [TS]

00:06:32   so you know you start off with that and [TS]

00:06:34   so they clearly every year they worry [TS]

00:06:35   about like we want to do something [TS]

00:06:36   that's scary but a little pantomime and [TS]

00:06:40   that's really interesting and different [TS]

00:06:42   that you can do in this slightly [TS]

00:06:43   slightly longer slightly different [TS]

00:06:44   format not always longer but now it's [TS]

00:06:46   longer used to be just a regular episode [TS]

00:06:48   like so it's kind of fascinating to see [TS]

00:06:50   how they told that line like all [TS]

00:06:52   families we watching this in England and [TS]

00:06:54   some other countries you get the step [TS]

00:06:55   the really super dark freaky dr. Ivo was [TS]

00:06:58   right [TS]

00:06:59   although it's funny the the Christmas [TS]

00:07:00   format i mean it's always wrestle Davis [TS]

00:07:02   set this up and at and he said I want to [TS]

00:07:04   I want to be brought on christmas day I [TS]

00:07:05   want to be the whole family settling in [TS]

00:07:07   they've had some drinks they've had some [TS]

00:07:08   food now they're settling in to watch [TS]

00:07:10   what i thought was interesting is that [TS]

00:07:12   Steven Moffat this is his first [TS]

00:07:14   Christmas special and I thought it was [TS]

00:07:17   much more Christmassy having looked back [TS]

00:07:19   and some of the other oh yeah especially [TS]

00:07:20   and that's when i see you have a winter [TS]

00:07:22   was really like an excuse like Donna [TS]

00:07:24   yeah she's getting married on Christmas [TS]

00:07:26   Eve sure that's right [TS]

00:07:28   Christmas ish who doesn't yeah why not [TS]

00:07:31   and then in the end of time yet [TS]

00:07:33   it happens to be Christmas sure why not [TS]

00:07:36   you know and so it didn't really have [TS]

00:07:38   anything even the Christmas invasion [TS]

00:07:40   I mean it had the robot Santa's at the [TS]

00:07:42   beginning and that's right and I was [TS]

00:07:44   like let's dispense with the Christmas [TS]

00:07:45   now until the very end so there's was am [TS]

00:07:49   so into the same had a bit [TS]

00:07:51   Christmas yeah a little bit little bit [TS]

00:07:53   yeah alien space Christmas we have one [TS]

00:07:55   of his favorite doctor who [TS]

00:07:57   so little queer monologues too he's got [TS]

00:07:59   a whole bit about how he's 900 years old [TS]

00:08:01   and blood what's really good my life I'm [TS]

00:08:03   a Time Lord from Gallifrey Gallifrey in [TS]

00:08:05   the constellation of service [TS]

00:08:07   I'm 902 years old and I'm the one who's [TS]

00:08:08   going to save us all got a problem with [TS]

00:08:10   that no classic classic not just watch [TS]

00:08:14   that this another two years old and I [TS]

00:08:16   can kick and i can split and I can kick [TS]

00:08:18   so so very Christmasy this one and [TS]

00:08:23   obviously it's got that a bit of [TS]

00:08:25   dickinson it but there's just so much [TS]

00:08:26   you so much [TS]

00:08:28   christmas stuff there's a sleigh that's [TS]

00:08:29   being pulled by a shark that my which I [TS]

00:08:33   don't [TS]

00:08:33   that's how I celebrate my Christmas [TS]

00:08:35   usually you guys did a tie in shacks did [TS]

00:08:37   they literally jump over the Sharks [TS]

00:08:38   episode was supposed to be a joke in [TS]

00:08:40   there you know [TS]

00:08:41   nice i wonder what they were kind of [TS]

00:08:42   sticking it to people accusing them of [TS]

00:08:44   jumping the shark or something but it [TS]

00:08:46   seems very pointed in someone I thought [TS]

00:08:47   it would be ridiculous when i heard i [TS]

00:08:48   admit i actually heard that there was [TS]

00:08:50   going to be a flying shark and I thought [TS]

00:08:51   that was the most ridiculous thing I've [TS]

00:08:52   ever heard and yet I thought the little [TS]

00:08:54   fish around the light pole on the on the [TS]

00:08:56   outside whitwer it was kind of fun and [TS]

00:08:59   beautiful my kids thought it was really [TS]

00:09:01   cool and then the shark appears and it's [TS]

00:09:03   kind of frightening and and legitimately [TS]

00:09:06   scary yeah yeah yeah I give I give all [TS]

00:09:09   credit to Steven Moffat who once again [TS]

00:09:11   delivered I think fantastic episode [TS]

00:09:13   especially in terms of his dialogue [TS]

00:09:16   writing which it fantastic i mean you [TS]

00:09:19   know clearly he's been waiting for a [TS]

00:09:21   chance in some ways to cut loose with [TS]

00:09:23   his own you know doctor and I think he [TS]

00:09:25   feels matt smith's you know the 11th [TS]

00:09:28   doctor is very very hyperactive and very [TS]

00:09:31   kinetic in a lot of his roles and I [TS]

00:09:33   think you know moffatts writing style [TS]

00:09:35   suits him perfectly [TS]

00:09:36   I mean if I point my favorite line from [TS]

00:09:39   this episode i think it would be [TS]

00:09:41   breaking of the psychic paper but you're [TS]

00:09:45   responsible adult [TS]

00:09:46   I finally broke it so I too big the [TS]

00:09:49   other thing that was great too is I have [TS]

00:09:51   to say is i'm kinda with with them [TS]

00:09:53   Rory and Amelia up being really [TS]

00:09:56   relegated in this episode maybe sort of [TS]

00:09:58   happy I was like Matt Smith is there [TS]

00:10:00   toe-to-toe with michael gambon in some [TS]

00:10:02   marvelous child in [TS]

00:10:04   teen or adult actors playing gap on a [TS]

00:10:06   different ages who are they were all [TS]

00:10:08   terrific about all the different people [TS]

00:10:09   playing that roller or barbless but [TS]

00:10:11   gamble on particularly just I just love [TS]

00:10:13   him to pieces and the screen was bigger [TS]

00:10:15   with the two of them on it and then they [TS]

00:10:17   cut to Rory Amelia and I was like I [TS]

00:10:19   would be so sorry if they got sucked [TS]

00:10:22   through a warm also place off this [TS]

00:10:24   season is done about Amy Pond come on I [TS]

00:10:26   you know she's I'm not that i don't [TS]

00:10:28   think the actress has really proved [TS]

00:10:30   herself she doesn't scream as much you [TS]

00:10:32   know it's like I just don't feel she has [TS]

00:10:35   the moxie [TS]

00:10:36   I don't know I think I i like i like her [TS]

00:10:39   and I like those scenes I mean it-it's [TS]

00:10:40   hard to compete with michael gambon [TS]

00:10:42   right oh you mean you can't although it [TS]

00:10:44   i thought it was funny that we have this [TS]

00:10:46   instance where while Amy and Rory are [TS]

00:10:50   about to plunge to their death we have [TS]

00:10:52   this whole series of events that from [TS]

00:10:53   the doctor's perspective takes quite a [TS]

00:10:55   bit of time and its really like he's got [TS]

00:10:57   two new companions [TS]

00:10:59   yeah enter the Christmas the onions and [TS]

00:11:01   they do have all these adventures in the [TS]

00:11:02   doctor Mary's Marilyn Monroe and pals [TS]

00:11:05   around with albert einstein and Frank [TS]

00:11:07   Sinatra and all these things happen and [TS]

00:11:10   and so that's sort of your companion set [TS]

00:11:13   for the episode and meanwhile i think [TS]

00:11:15   actually kind of hilariously Amy and [TS]

00:11:17   Rory are stuck in a Star Trek episode [TS]

00:11:19   oh god yelling anyone the fridge at the [TS]

00:11:21   uniforms were like dress that was also [TS]

00:11:23   resting area there are many and they [TS]

00:11:25   have the lens flares from the new star [TS]

00:11:26   trek movie too little hole right doc now [TS]

00:11:30   they're wearing their costumes because [TS]

00:11:32   they were obviously having some fun in [TS]

00:11:33   the honeymoon suite when I saw the [TS]

00:11:36   preview for this episode I was kind of [TS]

00:11:38   skeptical i was like we are they're [TS]

00:11:40   doing another time reset where [TS]

00:11:41   everybody's know like because that's the [TS]

00:11:43   after she's in very first episode so you [TS]

00:11:46   think that the outfit he's in at the [TS]

00:11:47   very last step [TS]

00:11:48   yeah exactly i'm not gonna say also [TS]

00:11:53   another crashing spaceship for Christmas [TS]

00:11:55   yes the second time we can't get enough [TS]

00:11:58   of the crashing spaceships [TS]

00:11:59   oh that was like Star Trek the you know [TS]

00:12:01   Star Trek was at five with a William [TS]

00:12:03   Shatner and don't don't mention started [TS]

00:12:06   fine but i wanted a semester and [TS]

00:12:09   screaming hot rockin wrong [TS]

00:12:11   would you please just edit that out [TS]

00:12:12   think what does a Time Lord need with a [TS]

00:12:15   spaceship [TS]

00:12:16   shocker e Scott are you a regular doctor [TS]

00:12:21   who watch her i am in fact a regular [TS]

00:12:23   doctor who watch her i must say that his [TS]

00:12:26   continuing flower planting of the [TS]

00:12:28   temporal prime directive is really well [TS]

00:12:32   distressing very distressing to use got [TS]

00:12:34   it is very distressing but the one thing [TS]

00:12:36   I mean this is it's funny because you [TS]

00:12:38   know obviously it in past Doctor Who's [TS]

00:12:40   there's been this talk about how time [TS]

00:12:42   can be changed and yet you in the Mafia [TS]

00:12:44   Tara clearly time can be changed time [TS]

00:12:46   you know can be rewritten as the line [TS]

00:12:48   keeps going at you know and i remember i [TS]

00:12:51   also remember that used to not be able [TS]

00:12:52   to touch yourself from a different point [TS]

00:12:54   in the timeline and yet possibly explode [TS]

00:12:56   oh yeah but you've got the little bitch [TS]

00:12:58   levitation effect or something at and [TS]

00:13:00   and yet you've got that we're all right [TS]

00:13:01   in season 1 episode which grows goes [TS]

00:13:04   back to see her father when she touches [TS]

00:13:06   herself as a child that's when the giant [TS]

00:13:08   huh [TS]

00:13:08   you know I meters come out night doctor [TS]

00:13:10   who screwed up and get the pic in the [TS]

00:13:12   Big Bang episode the doctor touches you [TS]

00:13:14   know his future version of himself and [TS]

00:13:16   in this episode michael gambon touches [TS]

00:13:17   the child version of himself and it's [TS]

00:13:20   not a big deal because we're just [TS]

00:13:21   rewriting history you know I i actually [TS]

00:13:24   don't mind but I think it's kind of [TS]

00:13:25   funny that's like whatever let's just [TS]

00:13:26   change the past we don't get well I i [TS]

00:13:28   think i think that's kind of struggling [TS]

00:13:29   to me the same thing that you get from [TS]

00:13:31   the last episode of this season of [TS]

00:13:33   doctor who which is that you know with [TS]

00:13:35   Moffat taking over it's become less [TS]

00:13:36   science fiction and more Fairy Tail [TS]

00:13:39   right and you know a lot of this serves [TS]

00:13:41   to function as a yeah we don't really [TS]

00:13:44   need to worry about the water what is [TS]

00:13:45   she dying from why is she only got seven [TS]

00:13:47   days like nothing already to fix that [TS]

00:13:49   you know is there why is a las vegas pro [TS]

00:13:52   is a nice [TS]

00:13:53   why is it Eric extension number is it a [TS]

00:13:55   six digit number on the front of the but [TS]

00:13:58   i i i i questioned at me [TS]

00:14:00   knowledge is a six-digit number it says [TS]

00:14:04   years and days underneath if you look at [TS]

00:14:07   it very closely you go [TS]

00:14:09   it's why we have this podcast is just [TS]

00:14:11   like its I don't understand how it works [TS]

00:14:14   though because so you take a loan out [TS]

00:14:15   from the sky right and then so you say [TS]

00:14:17   okay well here's my sister so you can [TS]

00:14:19   hold her as collateral and you can [TS]

00:14:21   freezer but then when you unfreeze her [TS]

00:14:22   she's gonna die in seven days so if i [TS]

00:14:24   pay what I no no no he was no matter [TS]

00:14:27   what thats that in bed in the same sense [TS]

00:14:29   as kind of like yeah we'll give you this [TS]

00:14:30   one she's sick already [TS]

00:14:31   I don't like what it was yeah that's the [TS]

00:14:33   idea there is that they said we're gonna [TS]

00:14:35   get the poor damaged goods as collateral [TS]

00:14:36   because she's gonna die anyway and she's [TS]

00:14:38   probably presumably volunteered because [TS]

00:14:40   she knows she's gonna die anyway but [TS]

00:14:42   then why would all of the the time [TS]

00:14:44   frizzy pod things have countdowns on [TS]

00:14:46   them [TS]

00:14:47   it doesn't make any sense to me it [TS]

00:14:48   doesn't make any sense alright I don't [TS]

00:14:51   need to find areas of pairing else got [TS]

00:14:53   it's the Somme it's the same having just [TS]

00:14:55   watch the Christmas invasion to get it's [TS]

00:14:57   the same reason why there's a button on [TS]

00:14:58   the outside of the spaceship and the [TS]

00:15:01   aliens the Christmas invasion that can [TS]

00:15:03   be hit by an orange chemical weapons a [TS]

00:15:05   tiny part of the outside of the [TS]

00:15:07   spaceship so that the guy falls off and [TS]

00:15:09   i just that just makes sense about your [TS]

00:15:11   awesomeness and I don't even want to see [TS]

00:15:14   why are the people on this planet [TS]

00:15:16   frightened of little fish that can swim [TS]

00:15:19   through fog modern p and that can be [TS]

00:15:21   never seen have they never seen a bow [TS]

00:15:23   tie before the penthouse sequence when [TS]

00:15:27   he's growing up and he slowly adopting [TS]

00:15:29   the doctors fashion statement is the [TS]

00:15:31   most adorable thing just complete side [TS]

00:15:33   note and he had an incredible growth [TS]

00:15:35   spurt [TS]

00:15:36   yes anyone still probably it is I don't [TS]

00:15:40   know what's what I think it was [TS]

00:15:41   beautiful this is [TS]

00:15:42   ll go back to the matter on this with a [TS]

00:15:44   big picture was I i found myself crying [TS]

00:15:46   number of times this thing which i do it [TS]

00:15:48   for christmas specials especially our [TS]

00:15:50   tearjerkers but they're just I mean [TS]

00:15:52   cambon he presented himself very [TS]

00:15:54   effectively as somebody who just did not [TS]

00:15:56   and he really the point where he says I [TS]

00:15:59   just don't care [TS]

00:15:59   I'm not like you and you know and he [TS]

00:16:01   sells it like he's always going to die [TS]

00:16:03   and it is completely abstract and he [TS]

00:16:04   doesn't care i'm gonna die lonely cold [TS]

00:16:06   and alone yet what else we all do that [TS]

00:16:08   you know what what else do you have in [TS]

00:16:09   your cabinet of whores instead what that [TS]

00:16:12   he brings them is this sort of [TS]

00:16:13   recognition himself embracing himself he [TS]

00:16:16   gets the pullback from the events he [TS]

00:16:18   gets to embrace this better self it's [TS]

00:16:19   very lovely is not a damning line where [TS]

00:16:22   he says you know we asked all you're [TS]

00:16:24   gonna show me the future now he says no [TS]

00:16:26   I i just did only possible but only [TS]

00:16:33   helping I thought I thought that whole i [TS]

00:16:35   agree i like I thought Gamboa's [TS]

00:16:36   performance was pretty awesome [TS]

00:16:38   I really liked as that twist became an [TS]

00:16:41   apparent what he was doing good that the [TS]

00:16:44   doctor was going back and basically [TS]

00:16:45   rewriting his past because you know you [TS]

00:16:48   start out and it's very clearly like [TS]

00:16:50   this is you know we know it's called a [TS]

00:16:51   christmas carol is a christmas carol [TS]

00:16:53   call out right you know that starts with [TS]

00:16:55   him being all grumpy and Scrooge like [TS]

00:16:56   and denying the the poor family the [TS]

00:16:59   chance to see their you know relative on [TS]

00:17:01   christmas eve and you think I was gonna [TS]

00:17:02   be predicted was going to turn them [TS]

00:17:03   around can be happy but the way in which [TS]

00:17:05   they did it was different and often [TS]

00:17:07   novel enough to keep me guessing right [TS]

00:17:09   because you know i love moment you [TS]

00:17:11   realize he's going back in time and [TS]

00:17:12   changing everything is kind and I love [TS]

00:17:14   that it's a great cameras moment to [TS]

00:17:16   where it shows up on the video recording [TS]

00:17:18   just classic and bittersweet because he [TS]

00:17:22   falls in love with a woman who he knows [TS]

00:17:23   is going to die the next time he sees [TS]

00:17:25   her know there's definitely some [TS]

00:17:27   edginess to it that is the things that [TS]

00:17:30   you know keep the parents entertained [TS]

00:17:32   even though while the kids are waiting [TS]

00:17:34   for the shark to come back and I i will [TS]

00:17:36   say this to this is the first time that [TS]

00:17:37   I watched an episode of Doctor Who that [TS]

00:17:39   I'd never seen before with my kids and [TS]

00:17:41   we're gonna both my kids watch it with [TS]

00:17:43   us and my son was you know tuning in and [TS]

00:17:45   out [TS]

00:17:46   although he was fascinated by the shark [TS]

00:17:47   my doctor my daughter was watching [TS]

00:17:49   pretty much the whole thing and was a i [TS]

00:17:51   think i think pretty into it so it was a [TS]

00:17:53   it was kind of a cool family thing to be [TS]

00:17:55   able to watch it on you know it's seven [TS]

00:17:57   o'clock on on Christmas night when was [TS]

00:18:01   avoiding he walks she had a great reason [TS]

00:18:03   to watch that this evening [TS]

00:18:05   yes you want everything he walks other [TS]

00:18:09   stationary under siege and pasadena [TS]

00:18:13   their helicopters overhead he walks and [TS]

00:18:15   chip Carey who is that where he walks [TS]

00:18:18   retired to pasadena Aaron think Jim [TS]

00:18:20   Carrey how you felt so I mean I [TS]

00:18:25   definitely everybody seems to be pretty [TS]

00:18:27   positive about this episode I i [TS]

00:18:29   definitely thought it was great [TS]

00:18:31   what is called once other than my [TS]

00:18:33   misgivings about the economic [TS]

00:18:35   underpinnings of the squirrel no no you [TS]

00:18:37   forget they're tying into the something [TS]

00:18:39   something that made it official to cool [TS]

00:18:40   them to freeze them down there remember [TS]

00:18:42   the father of the oddly Frogley so with [TS]

00:18:45   that takes away the fog less traumatic [TS]

00:18:47   stress got that even got rolls the Frog [TS]

00:18:51   Lake [TS]

00:18:51   control the planet no he throws the [TS]

00:18:55   clouds apparently controls the plan yes [TS]

00:18:56   yes I'm really curious on the side note [TS]

00:19:00   why everybody was wearing goggles other [TS]

00:19:02   than it's just make it somewhat Stevens [TS]

00:19:04   community foggy and Doctor Who and dr. [TS]

00:19:08   Seuss not dr. Scott's they have those [TS]

00:19:11   hats that were like so yes those are the [TS]

00:19:13   places will attack your eyes they go for [TS]

00:19:15   the eyes and my first thought right [TS]

00:19:18   I you know so and I have to ask are [TS]

00:19:21   there Zeppelin some answers no but there [TS]

00:19:23   are seven like flying sharks hereafter [TS]

00:19:25   wheels and Zeppelin like flying [TS]

00:19:27   spaceships to falling Wales why not [TS]

00:19:31   I didn't like the the kind of Peter Pan [TS]

00:19:34   beeping sonic screwdriver in the shark [TS]

00:19:37   though [TS]

00:19:37   oh I didn't understand what I'm going [TS]

00:19:41   sorry worried did he get it out don't [TS]

00:19:43   know he said he was gonna just replace [TS]

00:19:45   it anyway so make them give it to [TS]

00:19:48   Michael Gambon right but what I forget [TS]

00:19:50   which is happening and the sharp as the [TS]

00:19:52   other half [TS]

00:19:53   what's wonderful is I didn't catch the [TS]

00:19:54   crocodile reference you're totally right [TS]

00:19:56   your you are right i just excellent i [TS]

00:19:57   just saw Peter Pan 360 a few days ago [TS]

00:20:00   and my son was enthralled by the ticket [TS]

00:20:02   aki crocodile and you're absolutely [TS]

00:20:04   right that is that is the reference [TS]

00:20:05   there so there [TS]

00:20:06   this is loaded with references this [TS]

00:20:09   let's discuss this with your points at [TS]

00:20:11   which we don't which we don't [TS]

00:20:13   that's a dog that's what i thought would [TS]

00:20:16   win every time if we gave that point at [TS]

00:20:18   structural analysis really the best [TS]

00:20:21   Christmas after all we see and that's [TS]

00:20:23   part of redemption is part of this [TS]

00:20:26   podcast now encompass the theme [TS]

00:20:28   well personally I was a great loss he [TS]

00:20:30   also the promos for the next season oh [TS]

00:20:33   yeah you know I haven't had a chance to [TS]

00:20:35   watch them back to prove her like [TS]

00:20:37   although I will [TS]

00:20:38   there's a scene with mashup has a beard [TS]

00:20:41   and longer hair be a highlight of [TS]

00:20:43   prisoners change [TS]

00:20:44   yeah yeah there's always there filming [TS]

00:20:47   there filming in the in the US for the [TS]

00:20:49   first time next season so [TS]

00:20:50   oh yeah how was I yeah yeah we'll steps [TS]

00:20:53   in that steps you're cool [TS]

00:20:54   yeah second in utah they shot a lot of [TS]

00:20:57   promise for BBC america are actually not [TS]

00:20:59   while they were out there today we know [TS]

00:21:01   how many episodes they're shooting in [TS]

00:21:02   Utah because it seems like a long way [TS]

00:21:04   to go in there really pumping it up it's [TS]

00:21:05   a two-part episode they shot in utah for [TS]

00:21:07   like three days i think and they shot [TS]

00:21:09   and in the valley of the gods for a day [TS]

00:21:11   and then they shot at Lake Powell where [TS]

00:21:13   I've actually been been around Page [TS]

00:21:15   Arizona just north of there across the [TS]

00:21:17   Utah border and that's where a lot of [TS]

00:21:19   those promos were where he sort of got a [TS]

00:21:21   lake in the background and that's all [TS]

00:21:22   for the season-opening to partner we're [TS]

00:21:25   there again spoiler horn sorry but [TS]

00:21:27   there's a it's a USA this is all sort of [TS]

00:21:29   been released as promotional material [TS]

00:21:31   it's set at least in part in the US and [TS]

00:21:33   that's why they shot a bunch of stuff [TS]

00:21:36   out and in Utah because you can't really [TS]

00:21:37   replicate that scenery and I think BBC [TS]

00:21:40   america actually funded some of that BBC [TS]

00:21:41   america is really has really gotten [TS]

00:21:44   behind doctor who with this I've noticed [TS]

00:21:46   on TV critics got screener editions of [TS]

00:21:48   this episode and iOS Android and San [TS]

00:21:51   Francisco Chronicle had a piece on it [TS]

00:21:52   two days ago [TS]

00:21:53   well ready with the river you know if [TS]

00:21:55   you're gonna broadcast in the u.s. [TS]

00:21:57   obviously good you and CNN story about [TS]

00:22:00   it said that they're committed to airing [TS]

00:22:01   the show on the day same day with the UK [TS]

00:22:04   with the noose is really now that's nice [TS]

00:22:06   all I mean they'll cut down on I mean I [TS]

00:22:08   you know arguably will cut down on the [TS]

00:22:11   piracy from some people [TS]

00:22:12   oh well I think about which is pretty [TS]

00:22:14   big but I also i might i find it amusing [TS]

00:22:16   that and this is sort of slightly [TS]

00:22:19   tangential but also can't Torchwood is [TS]

00:22:21   going to the US next season though not [TS]

00:22:23   alone not in the BBC america vain i [TS]

00:22:26   think because they made a deal with star [TS]

00:22:27   yes and it will take all this act again [TS]

00:22:30   probably not Torchwood is not visiting [TS]

00:22:32   Torchwood is being shot in the bu living [TS]

00:22:35   in the United States apparently flap 29 [TS]

00:22:37   years if everybody has died [TS]

00:22:40   yeah i was very much it's an anchor show [TS]

00:22:42   you can see why don't you have your [TS]

00:22:45   dinner table to fit in just fucking yeah [TS]

00:22:48   that's this is true so so they showed [TS]

00:22:50   alex kingston the previews I i love her [TS]

00:22:53   as an actress I guess this is my problem [TS]

00:22:55   carrying Gilliam is she is a young and [TS]

00:22:56   callow woman vs the mature strong [TS]

00:22:59   confidence knowledgeable alex king [TS]

00:23:02   static gasps don't you know man i'm [TS]

00:23:04   gonna take that experience there's room [TS]

00:23:06   for both men and I actually kind of like [TS]

00:23:09   it when they're playing off each other [TS]

00:23:10   you have both of them in a room together [TS]

00:23:12   and it's all of a sudden very very [TS]

00:23:15   interesting and very good i think they [TS]

00:23:16   have [TS]

00:23:17   I think all three of them especially [TS]

00:23:19   when they have very good chemistry [TS]

00:23:20   Rory's I'm what's attached to but I [TS]

00:23:22   think Amy and the doctor certainly have [TS]

00:23:25   very good rapport a while you remember [TS]

00:23:26   the line elisabeth sladen straight line [TS]

00:23:28   as Mary Jane Mary Jane out already [TS]

00:23:31   sarah-jane in the episode with the a [TS]

00:23:34   schoolroom you know the one I'm talking [TS]

00:23:36   about what would scooby had school [TS]

00:23:38   reunion thank you and she says you know [TS]

00:23:40   the keto you keep the younger and they [TS]

00:23:42   keep getting younger something like that [TS]

00:23:43   you know the doctor about his companions [TS]

00:23:45   after seeing Billy and it's like yeah [TS]

00:23:47   they sort of do although I guess Karen [TS]

00:23:49   Gillan's technically probably older than [TS]

00:23:50   Billy was all times is the least this [TS]

00:23:52   river song right and I mean that that's [TS]

00:23:53   interesting about throwing her in the [TS]

00:23:55   mix although i want all having seen the [TS]

00:23:57   Big Bang most of it before they they [TS]

00:23:59   aired that right before this episode on [TS]

00:24:01   BBC america I i was struck by the rep [TS]

00:24:04   the rapport between Karen Gillan but [TS]

00:24:08   will the scene where they take his feds [TS]

00:24:10   right i mean yeah they're sensing and [TS]

00:24:11   then at the end when when you will [TS]

00:24:14   that's right the beginning of that scene [TS]

00:24:15   she just Amy and the centurian and [TS]

00:24:19   they're like yeah he's with us that's [TS]

00:24:20   okay but it's yeah that whole scene is [TS]

00:24:22   really nice with NN a shootout the feds [TS]

00:24:24   because it's got to be stopped i do a [TS]

00:24:29   podcast that it's cool i guess i guess [TS]

00:24:32   you could I love the explanation for the [TS]

00:24:34   boat I also i can't remember the exact [TS]

00:24:37   when they're not and he's I wear it and [TS]

00:24:39   nobody care and eyewear and I don't care [TS]

00:24:41   what people think or something like that [TS]

00:24:42   and that's why it's cool and it's the [TS]

00:24:44   best the best to that well I mean that's [TS]

00:24:46   the definitely that's the definition of [TS]

00:24:48   cool right [TS]

00:24:50   you know not caring doing your own thing [TS]

00:24:52   then we're all really cool [TS]

00:24:54   uh yeah true because we had got a [TS]

00:25:02   cricket sound here somewhere that I have [TS]

00:25:05   a trick here Frank in Arizona his name's [TS]

00:25:08   Jimmy haha that's another podcast so so [TS]

00:25:13   did you guys have any other sort of a [TS]

00:25:16   geeky Christmas things today that you [TS]

00:25:21   would like to admit to in addition to [TS]

00:25:22   what plan your entire day around [TS]

00:25:24   watching Doctor Who entire he's down in [TS]

00:25:27   a minute and watching and then talking [TS]

00:25:29   about dr. besides the preponderance of [TS]

00:25:31   electronic gadgets in our family's house [TS]

00:25:33   i think we had at least for ipads and [TS]

00:25:35   half-a-dozen iphones at least my host he [TS]

00:25:39   might mind generous cousins who are host [TS]

00:25:41   we all were wearing geeky t-shirts for [TS]

00:25:42   the day so my cousin was wearing a [TS]

00:25:45   t-shirt from thinkgeek with a guy with [TS]

00:25:47   astronaut dragging his little toys [TS]

00:25:49   spaceship away because he's a science [TS]

00:25:50   geek and he said about the shuttle [TS]

00:25:52   program being discontinued my uh one of [TS]

00:25:55   my cousin's the daughters was wearing a [TS]

00:25:57   exterminate Dalek shirt that I gave her [TS]

00:26:00   for Christmas which was appropriate and [TS]

00:26:01   then the other her sister was wearing a [TS]

00:26:03   sunnyvale high school [TS]

00:26:05   Oh insurance Sunnydale sorry Sunnydale [TS]

00:26:07   high school [TS]

00:26:08   nice which has fangs and fire coming out [TS]

00:26:11   of it because sunnyvale high school is [TS]

00:26:12   just that's just an actual high school [TS]

00:26:14   for much more boring and i'm wearing a [TS]

00:26:16   it's a trap shirt so we have is that [TS]

00:26:20   from a movie it's a trap [TS]

00:26:22   ya never know maybe the anybody's ever [TS]

00:26:24   heard of its kind of accident i think [TS]

00:26:25   access so punny keeps in this household [TS]

00:26:30   for Christmas [TS]

00:26:31   alright i was sadly the loan geek this [TS]

00:26:34   year because my parents my mother who is [TS]

00:26:36   my geek repartee she was often the [TS]

00:26:39   kitchen doing work and my sister and my [TS]

00:26:42   father are very unattended I was kind of [TS]

00:26:45   sitting in the living room and watching [TS]

00:26:47   star wars and then waiting for dr. food [TS]

00:26:50   download zip it was it was it was very [TS]

00:26:53   very sad Christmas for the geek [TS]

00:26:55   household here but that's all right [TS]

00:26:57   Scott how did you spend your spend your [TS]

00:27:00   day I was also right so that I was I was [TS]

00:27:03   I was alone geek because I was all alone [TS]

00:27:06   but i did spend a good portion of my [TS]

00:27:07   time I gave my mother a kindle for [TS]

00:27:09   Christmas so I she apparently does not [TS]

00:27:12   know how to use amazon that huh [TS]

00:27:13   you have every reason every now you have [TS]

00:27:16   to start spreading them what I was gonna [TS]

00:27:17   ask scott is did you get her a new [TS]

00:27:19   Wonder did you get her one from the [TS]

00:27:20   collection the collection is a historic [TS]

00:27:24   monument and cannot be tampered with [TS]

00:27:25   each of the hundreds of kindle has no [TS]

00:27:28   name and personality if they dragged the [TS]

00:27:30   day they were born a stranger not only [TS]

00:27:32   will tag actually the way Scott work for [TS]

00:27:34   the readers as he buys them and only [TS]

00:27:36   loads one book on them truth and again [TS]

00:27:39   another and ultimate shell ratio [TS]

00:27:41   okay you're not an ebooks reader exactly [TS]

00:27:44   so I I helped my mother set up her [TS]

00:27:47   candle which was was kept little trying [TS]

00:27:50   but far away from because she had that [TS]

00:27:53   the way it worked was that you went to [TS]

00:27:55   the abdomen to amazon.com and looked at [TS]

00:27:57   the book that you wanted on amazon and [TS]

00:28:00   it would magically appear on your kindle [TS]

00:28:01   without you doing anything so i had to [TS]

00:28:04   explain to her it was a little you have [TS]

00:28:05   to do a little more than that just [TS]

00:28:06   looking at that's actually where that's [TS]

00:28:08   how Google ebooks work so it actually is [TS]

00:28:10   going to confuse people make sure you [TS]

00:28:12   can work that way i should say you just [TS]

00:28:14   look at it and it depends magically [TS]

00:28:16   appear to serialize what if you just [TS]

00:28:18   look at a book on your shelf does it [TS]

00:28:20   appear on your kindle does that work [TS]

00:28:21   Scott Academy think the confusion is [TS]

00:28:24   that she's thinking not about you [TS]

00:28:27   probably got her the kid with Wi-Fi and [TS]

00:28:29   she's thinking of the kindle with Wi-Fi [TS]

00:28:30   + telepathy [TS]

00:28:32   oh I'm cheap so i didn't spring for that [TS]

00:28:34   one yeah it's very only costs seven [TS]

00:28:36   thousand dollars school will be an old [TS]

00:28:38   model next year anyway [TS]

00:28:40   oh you have to hammer the antenna into [TS]

00:28:41   the head that's painful part was a [TS]

00:28:43   sidekick ii paper huh [TS]

00:28:47   she wanted their little doctor foo what [TS]

00:28:49   about You Glenn [TS]

00:28:51   well I spend this Christmas I do every [TS]

00:28:53   Christmas watching the tron 92 christmas [TS]

00:28:55   special course over and over it Shay [TS]

00:29:00   wow I haven't actually haven't watched [TS]

00:29:02   that yet although i've been told by [TS]

00:29:04   Steve lots are very own Steve let's that [TS]

00:29:07   the the really right thing to do is to [TS]

00:29:08   watch the star wars holiday special with [TS]

00:29:11   the rifftrax track on top of it i've [TS]

00:29:15   been told that to [TS]

00:29:16   yes no I was in a house full of [TS]

00:29:18   non-geeks so I was forced to suppress I [TS]

00:29:21   had to sneak out the ipad while the [TS]

00:29:22   children were occupied to watch Doctor [TS]

00:29:24   Who ah you got in have got indoctrinate [TS]

00:29:28   your kids into doctor who might my son [TS]

00:29:30   he would he [TS]

00:29:32   whenever he was passing by he'll be like [TS]

00:29:33   God the blue box the blue box like my [TS]

00:29:36   older son ben is a lovely lovely fellow [TS]

00:29:38   and is currently obsessed by geography [TS]

00:29:40   at the age of six you can tell you where [TS]

00:29:43   I'd like adjoining states on the map and [TS]

00:29:45   things like that but he is very [TS]

00:29:47   sensitive lad and we try to show me your [TS]

00:29:51   ago [TS]

00:29:51   winnie the pooh and the part [TS]

00:29:53   the bees made him cry so I think doctor [TS]

00:29:55   who is a little further his future like [TS]

00:29:58   20 to 30 years so I'm really going to [TS]

00:30:00   thank you for this podcast at some point [TS]

00:30:02   we're going to do that let you know to [TS]

00:30:04   go to the fuel and a doctor who makes [TS]

00:30:06   you cry Glenn so oh well I'm gonna go [TS]

00:30:09   and race on sat weeks is me alex it runs [TS]

00:30:12   in the family [TS]

00:30:13   you're a weepy family and there's [TS]

00:30:14   nothing wrong with me cry now you seen [TS]

00:30:17   the ghost of Christmas future of your [TS]

00:30:19   spirits and let's not be changed [TS]

00:30:23   yeah I i showed my kids a doctor who [TS]

00:30:25   episode of like a year ago and that [TS]

00:30:28   night my son came out and said it the I [TS]

00:30:31   can't even remember which monster it was [TS]

00:30:32   but he's always like that monster is not [TS]

00:30:34   going to come this is like no notice [TS]

00:30:36   that it's not going to cover my wife [TS]

00:30:37   glared at me he's like what I see [TS]

00:30:39   see this is what happens when you show [TS]

00:30:41   kids scary things in the capital there's [TS]

00:30:44   supposed to be scared they like it [TS]

00:30:45   you can't be a kid and not be afraid of [TS]

00:30:47   something come on let's go to NW w go [TS]

00:30:50   back to eventually gonna turn my memory [TS]

00:30:52   gold collection never fade the the [TS]

00:30:54   counter tenor is going to sing now know [TS]

00:30:56   the face spiders by the way we're home [TS]

00:30:58   yeah absolutely it's like oh no are [TS]

00:31:00   there other face butters in this closet [TS]

00:31:01   no no that gun to your head there in the [TS]

00:31:04   mattress now you need to have fears in [TS]

00:31:07   order to overcome them [TS]

00:31:09   so apparently this episode was is [TS]

00:31:11   another example uh I think the third [TS]

00:31:13   example of Steven Moffat rifling through [TS]

00:31:15   a story that he wrote when doctor who [TS]

00:31:18   was off the air a short story of pros [TS]

00:31:20   story about a Doctor Who story though [TS]

00:31:24   previously he he used a story as the [TS]

00:31:28   basis for blink where he wrote a story [TS]

00:31:30   about Sally Sparrow who was a younger [TS]

00:31:32   girl then but she was getting messages [TS]

00:31:34   in her wallpaper from the doctor from [TS]

00:31:36   the past telling her what to do in the [TS]

00:31:38   future so that he could get his target [TS]

00:31:41   bag and then there's another story he [TS]

00:31:43   wrote called continuity errors [TS]

00:31:44   apparently he's rifled through twice now [TS]

00:31:46   because it was about a library with that [TS]

00:31:48   all the books in the world and all of [TS]

00:31:50   that and we know what happened there but [TS]

00:31:52   the other point was that there was this [TS]

00:31:53   librarian who was very angry and [TS]

00:31:56   wouldn't give him this book that he [TS]

00:31:57   needed to save a lot of people and he [TS]

00:31:58   kept going back and changing things in [TS]

00:32:00   her past in order to get her to be more [TS]

00:32:03   likely to let him [TS]

00:32:05   have the book and so that that is [TS]

00:32:07   apparently the basis for this episode [TS]

00:32:09   well well done because I thought it was [TS]

00:32:11   really funny and interesting way to [TS]

00:32:13   approach a christmas carol kind of thing [TS]

00:32:16   but it is interesting but he is [TS]

00:32:17   shameless in taking his old ideas from [TS]

00:32:21   these things that you know don't really [TS]

00:32:23   I don't really count nobody really read [TS]

00:32:25   just the hardcore fans and saying that's [TS]

00:32:27   a good idea i'm going to use that idea i [TS]

00:32:29   got it's done it was think wrinkle in [TS]

00:32:31   time the third the second sequel to [TS]

00:32:34   wrinkle in time [TS]

00:32:35   what is that quality swiftly tilting [TS]

00:32:37   planet [TS]

00:32:38   yes you remember that he goes Charles [TS]

00:32:40   Charles what's-his-face goes back in [TS]

00:32:43   time and changes things in prehistory in [TS]

00:32:47   order to change the behavior of a [TS]

00:32:49   dictator in the current day was gonna [TS]

00:32:50   blow up the world a madman [TS]

00:32:52   huh no i don't remember I'm have been [TS]

00:32:54   reading that book little bit that's that [TS]

00:32:56   didn't know that many waters many waters [TS]

00:32:58   is going after that because that's also [TS]

00:33:00   prehistory right there so yeah there's [TS]

00:33:02   the the second wrinkle in time when [TS]

00:33:04   after a long time is what's wrong with [TS]

00:33:06   the midi-chlorians i'm sorry the [TS]

00:33:08   mitochondria I've got your party that's [TS]

00:33:10   very similar wow audiences every one of [TS]

00:33:13   our podcast have star wars in it but yes [TS]

00:33:15   we're going to actually obligated but [TS]

00:33:17   this this is the episode with star trek [TS]

00:33:18   in it [TS]

00:33:19   this is dr. this ass you talk about the [TS]

00:33:21   writers tail unit Russell Davis really [TS]

00:33:23   wanted to do first you wanted to do a [TS]

00:33:24   crossover with enterprise which is that [TS]

00:33:27   would have free community and how [TS]

00:33:29   completely insane with deadlines he was [TS]

00:33:31   because he'd see what kind of plot of [TS]

00:33:33   the whole thing out before and then also [TS]

00:33:35   harry potter crossover y JK Rowling [TS]

00:33:37   appears yourself and the doctor to be [TS]

00:33:39   involved was like oh I can she act like [TS]

00:33:42   I don't know she's a writer should [TS]

00:33:43   probably define like Brussels get some [TS]

00:33:45   sleep please yes yes and you [TS]

00:33:48   you know it's funny I can kind of see [TS]

00:33:49   what he's going forward that like you [TS]

00:33:51   know especially in terms of trying to [TS]

00:33:52   box arrives the series which is so [TS]

00:33:53   pretty eccentric but also the idea that [TS]

00:33:56   like I don't know kinda reminds me of [TS]

00:33:57   the Stephen King darktower idea like all [TS]

00:33:59   the stories are connected in some way [TS]

00:34:01   right so he also then talked about doing [TS]

00:34:04   a which I think ended up being planted [TS]

00:34:06   the dead one of the specials he wanted [TS]

00:34:07   to do a star trek episode basically [TS]

00:34:09   where there would be a spaceship that [TS]

00:34:11   would be very Star Trek like and and he [TS]

00:34:14   never got around to it but it's kind of [TS]

00:34:16   funny that the here Steven Moffat who is [TS]

00:34:18   I believe in a valid Star Trek fan and [TS]

00:34:20   he doesn't talk about that a lot because [TS]

00:34:21   he's the Doctor Who showrunner but i [TS]

00:34:23   believe he was a huge Star Trek fan and [TS]

00:34:25   he's stuck in all these very funny [TS]

00:34:27   references it's a galaxy-class ship [TS]

00:34:29   that's gonna crash and it's got the star [TS]

00:34:32   trek JJ Abrams lens flares on the bridge [TS]

00:34:34   and it's got the the guy with the funny [TS]

00:34:36   eyepiece who's the navigator who is the [TS]

00:34:38   your Geordi LaForge kinda guess it's [TS]

00:34:41   just you know I and it is really [TS]

00:34:43   important [TS]

00:34:44   it's just funny and when the flavor yeah [TS]

00:34:47   yeah it's just i mean i'm reading the [TS]

00:34:49   comic book just since this is the [TS]

00:34:51   incomparable I can do this [TS]

00:34:53   the comic-book invincible which is I a [TS]

00:34:56   pretty good superhero comic book by [TS]

00:34:57   Robert Kirkman the guy does the walking [TS]

00:34:59   dead and they've got this recurring set [TS]

00:35:01   of characters in a very serious [TS]

00:35:03   storyline where people are getting kind [TS]

00:35:04   of torn to bits and killed and horribly [TS]

00:35:07   wounded and it's the spaceship that is [TS]

00:35:09   just a joke of the enterprise from Star [TS]

00:35:12   Trek The Next Generation and there's a [TS]

00:35:13   bald captain and a and a robot crewmen [TS]

00:35:16   and they're all just kind of slightly [TS]

00:35:18   off-kilter from Star Trek but it's very [TS]

00:35:20   obvious that that's the reference and I [TS]

00:35:22   don't know I i I'm amused by that that [TS]

00:35:25   is still a reference that can be made [TS]

00:35:27   all this time later that it's really got [TS]

00:35:29   you know enough that they're like yeah [TS]

00:35:31   let's make that reference with everybody [TS]

00:35:32   knows star trek we can do that and star [TS]

00:35:35   trek is far superior to start wars so it [TS]

00:35:38   makes our that's where was she supposed [TS]

00:35:41   to have a quick podcasts we make [TS]

00:35:44   predictions for next christmas is next [TS]

00:35:47   Christmas is episode gosh board [TS]

00:35:49   what would you guess Glenn what would [TS]

00:35:51   you like to see me in the colin as the [TS]

00:35:54   guest star that's what i did with [TS]

00:35:56   messages using out [TS]

00:35:57   I don't care what he does probably he's [TS]

00:36:00   Shakespeare or Shakespeare's [TS]

00:36:02   great-grandchild [TS]

00:36:03   I don't care what it is but in mcallen [TS]

00:36:04   or maybe old magnetic substances with [TS]

00:36:06   his mind that would also be okay clearly [TS]

00:36:08   patrick stewart Treasury Stewart yell [TS]

00:36:11   yeah you have an account you have to [TS]

00:36:14   have Patrick story with Natalie other [TS]

00:36:16   sheets again we are actually making the [TS]

00:36:20   x-men but because they're sure [TS]

00:36:22   by the way did you notice the BBC [TS]

00:36:23   previews for next year [TS]

00:36:25   christopher eccleston has his own series [TS]

00:36:26   dick attendant has his own series very [TS]

00:36:29   gritty looking difficult thing [TS]

00:36:31   as in which they're threatening people [TS]

00:36:32   are being threatened in the preview so [TS]

00:36:34   will will certainly make of three [TS]

00:36:36   doctors show you know father very gritty [TS]

00:36:39   characters against matt smith at the end [TS]

00:36:41   of the year i would like to see the [TS]

00:36:42   debut first Doctor Who Hanukkah episode [TS]

00:36:46   haha eight crazy nights now way they use [TS]

00:36:50   that title for something that would be [TS]

00:36:52   that would be interesting actually I i [TS]

00:36:55   think that we didn't have any series you [TS]

00:36:57   did a miniseries kind of like children [TS]

00:36:58   reverse for Torchwood except you did for [TS]

00:37:00   doctor who and you did it one night of [TS]

00:37:02   Hanukkah line minute episodes over the [TS]

00:37:06   country look do a job yet [TS]

00:37:08   network executives never know the eight [TS]

00:37:10   episodes we quite as good as you got hit [TS]

00:37:14   on the title it would be called doctor [TS]

00:37:16   who and the dreidel of doom [TS]

00:37:19   oh that's sort of the final episode [TS]

00:37:22   that's really big spinning dreidel space [TS]

00:37:24   from Daleks much comics not really don't [TS]

00:37:30   need all right don't you no matter how [TS]

00:37:32   about playing mr. i dono pls pls leave [TS]

00:37:36   the chinese restaurant now look I'm just [TS]

00:37:41   picturing Daleks with them now because [TS]

00:37:43   on their head all crying oh wow two sets [TS]

00:37:49   so wrong [TS]

00:37:51   that's so wrong Merry Christmas [TS]

00:37:54   everybody [TS]

00:37:56   oh that's right Hanukkah Happy Hanukkah [TS]

00:38:00   falls over Christmas next year dan I [TS]

00:38:03   didn't know that because the schism in [TS]

00:38:05   the space-time continuum and that is the [TS]

00:38:07   point and there you have it is right [TS]

00:38:11   wow this is interesting also I this is [TS]

00:38:15   the first Doctor Who in i think since [TS]

00:38:19   the first doctor who christmas special [TS]

00:38:21   that has had regular companions in it [TS]

00:38:25   Oh as a excellent point strip which [TS]

00:38:28   happens I wasn't a companion at that [TS]

00:38:29   point the russell davis series they [TS]

00:38:31   tended other than the two years with [TS]

00:38:33   Rose they tended to cycle through new [TS]

00:38:35   companions every season and you know who [TS]

00:38:38   did the companions from last season are [TS]

00:38:40   coming back for next season so it's a [TS]

00:38:42   little stability at least I mean until [TS]

00:38:44   presumably they'll completely wreck by [TS]

00:38:46   the time this season is over but right [TS]

00:38:49   now they got them intact and it was kind [TS]

00:38:51   of nice to see them even though I I to [TS]

00:38:54   glens pointed with I kind of appreciated [TS]

00:38:55   that they were on the side and it wasn't [TS]

00:38:57   really about them they were just sort of [TS]

00:38:58   present but not operate they were the [TS]

00:39:00   people they were important and 900 years [TS]

00:39:02   have you ever met anyone who wasn't [TS]

00:39:04   important [TS]

00:39:04   that's true i mean they were worried [TS]

00:39:06   about you want me the diameter of the [TS]

00:39:09   doctor doesn't get involved right you [TS]

00:39:11   know you he only comes to save them [TS]

00:39:13   really well i guess i actually was a [TS]

00:39:16   little disappointed when he said I you [TS]

00:39:18   know I can't walk on there was a quick [TS]

00:39:19   throw a line I can't lock onto the ship [TS]

00:39:21   because what i wanted to say was I [TS]

00:39:23   couldn't get all of them off in time [TS]

00:39:25   that's what i want to have to say [TS]

00:39:27   because he you know I would like to just [TS]

00:39:29   say yes well of course I could save [TS]

00:39:30   those two I could just move my TARDIS up [TS]

00:39:32   there and get them but there are 4,000 [TS]

00:39:33   people on that ship and I can't get them [TS]

00:39:35   all off and i'm here to save all of them [TS]

00:39:37   not not two of them and he didn't do [TS]

00:39:41   that [TS]

00:39:41   he just said I can't walk on there's [TS]

00:39:43   nothing to be Jason Jason that's what he [TS]

00:39:44   meant [TS]

00:39:45   oh sure in my fantasy action later I [TS]

00:39:47   will yes where I tell the stories of of [TS]

00:39:51   the doctor and sardick and the girl who [TS]

00:39:54   was frozen and thought out every year [TS]

00:39:56   their adventures on Christmas Eve that's [TS]

00:39:59   37 others so that in there I'm workin on [TS]

00:40:02   fanfiction of the 4,000 people that were [TS]

00:40:04   on the scholarship [TS]

00:40:06   thank you very talented singers sing [TS]

00:40:09   extract no actually not talented fingers [TS]

00:40:12   because if they were as good a singer as [TS]

00:40:13   the girl who was frozen [TS]

00:40:15   they were going to shift they wouldn't [TS]

00:40:16   hear the break the better singing for [TS]

00:40:19   their lives [TS]

00:40:20   come on the fact she have destroyed [TS]

00:40:21   their starship what I don't matter their [TS]

00:40:24   feet there was maybe said she got a nice [TS]

00:40:29   touch though I will say that was [TS]

00:40:32   Carmine's got that terrible episode of [TS]

00:40:34   Star Trek where they have to feed the [TS]

00:40:35   big limb like Remora thing that sucks on [TS]

00:40:38   the enterprise [TS]

00:40:39   oh that was great but it's our the milk [TS]

00:40:41   love that one terrible default alchemist [TS]

00:40:43   hyper involved a hyper deck thingamabob [TS]

00:40:49   you know [TS]

00:40:49   ya see ya / star wars holiday special [TS]

00:40:54   the hollow shed our three equals really [TS]

00:40:57   helping wrong with celebrating some life [TS]

00:40:59   day [TS]

00:40:59   okay yeah yeah is this another one of [TS]

00:41:01   those episodes of the house shed where [TS]

00:41:03   people become real again okay [TS]

00:41:07   don't make me get siracusa here [TS]

00:41:08   somewhere else huh i'm sure you could [TS]

00:41:11   pull them out of iraq now we're good [TS]

00:41:13   we're beating up beating up on Dan now [TS]

00:41:15   while he can't defend himself because [TS]

00:41:16   he's a lot i can deflect here is going [TS]

00:41:20   on this podcast what know this is all [TS]

00:41:22   just a recording of campus is outrageous [TS]

00:41:24   so this is Robo dad for Dan so any other [TS]

00:41:27   final one final thoughts of how about [TS]

00:41:29   that for a transition that we might be [TS]

00:41:31   wrapped canvas that is emergency podcast [TS]

00:41:34   up any other final thoughts about this [TS]

00:41:36   the Christmas episode that you'd like to [TS]

00:41:37   share [TS]

00:41:38   I really kinda hoped that a that the [TS]

00:41:41   whole changing somebody's past then gets [TS]

00:41:44   really occurred in series six because i [TS]

00:41:47   would like to see it go horribly wrong [TS]

00:41:50   maybe that's just morbid but I mean that [TS]

00:41:52   would be because we didn't really get a [TS]

00:41:53   chance to play with it in this episode [TS]

00:41:55   because it was very kind of upbeat but [TS]

00:41:57   he revisited later on what he tries to [TS]

00:41:59   do it again to fix something and then it [TS]

00:42:00   horribly horribly backfires it could be [TS]

00:42:02   well I think just plays into the whole [TS]

00:42:04   thread of what he learned last season in [TS]

00:42:06   that you know at a certain point his [TS]

00:42:09   worst enemy is himself is your time lord [TS]

00:42:12   victorious again a little bit not quite [TS]

00:42:13   but it could go that direction [TS]

00:42:15   yeah actually run homer simpson changing [TS]

00:42:19   the past no take that butterfly star who [TS]

00:42:24   and Homer Simpson have a lot of [TS]

00:42:26   similarities exuberant hey did you [TS]

00:42:29   notice that i'm at one point Matt Smith [TS]

00:42:32   is basically wearing Tom Baker scarf [TS]

00:42:35   yes I was wondering the prospects yeah I [TS]

00:42:38   had to stop that and I was wait a second [TS]

00:42:41   that's i I just I mean it's for probably [TS]

00:42:45   in the wardrobe somewhere in the TARDIS [TS]

00:42:46   right as sure as affecting as the whole [TS]

00:42:49   episode was i love the fact that Steven [TS]

00:42:51   Moffat being a very skilled comedy [TS]

00:42:53   writer had no problem [TS]

00:42:54   sliding in just a huge amount of jokes [TS]

00:42:58   amid the more serious kind of material i [TS]

00:43:01   thought that was a really nice mixture [TS]

00:43:03   because he kept it a little bit lighter [TS]

00:43:04   while not you know making it ridiculous [TS]

00:43:07   this was one of these genuine like [TS]

00:43:08   funniest I think episodes in the last [TS]

00:43:12   several seasons even perhaps just in the [TS]

00:43:14   terms of I feel like even just in terms [TS]

00:43:16   of the writing and that equips and stuff [TS]

00:43:18   like that workers at some point I felt [TS]

00:43:19   like well that's funny but it's not [TS]

00:43:21   necessarily laugh-out-loud funny i don't [TS]

00:43:22   know i found myself laughing a lot more [TS]

00:43:24   this episode also would like to thank [TS]

00:43:25   you David also know i was saying it's [TS]

00:43:28   like the larger worry you just let Matt [TS]

00:43:30   Smith talked and the more Matt Smith [TS]

00:43:32   talks the funnier the jet in general the [TS]

00:43:34   episode of this is the deal with like [TS]

00:43:37   some of the episodes because Martin so [TS]

00:43:39   extensively four seasons one through [TS]

00:43:41   four you can just picture david tennant [TS]

00:43:43   doing the same lines this is one you [TS]

00:43:44   can't see David Tennant doing this is [TS]

00:43:46   matt smith doctor who and fully is like [TS]

00:43:48   the larger that's true i was thinking [TS]

00:43:50   that david tennant at the end of the [TS]

00:43:52   david tennant doctor who he was kind of [TS]

00:43:54   crazy but bad crazy and Matt Smith's [TS]

00:43:58   doctor who is crazy but you know good [TS]

00:44:00   crazy like this one moment in his [TS]

00:44:02   circles crazy exactly i like when he was [TS]

00:44:06   like oh the knobby thing has drawn me [TS]

00:44:08   here and it has my name written all over [TS]

00:44:09   it well not really but if you give me a [TS]

00:44:11   crayon and sometime it will how the the [TS]

00:44:15   it's interesting you know Steven Moffat [TS]

00:44:17   ride for a while as as revealed in the [TS]

00:44:19   writers tail i think actually to get [TS]

00:44:21   David Tennant to come back and I believe [TS]

00:44:23   several of the episodes for the four [TS]

00:44:25   last season were originally written with [TS]

00:44:27   the idea that it might be David Tennant [TS]

00:44:29   by and it and you did get the sense i [TS]

00:44:31   think especially early on that that this [TS]

00:44:33   could be David Tennant and it's not but [TS]

00:44:35   if you could see how they could play it [TS]

00:44:36   that way i'm not i do think you're right [TS]

00:44:38   that this is a full-fledged this is an [TS]

00:44:40   episode written not just knowing that [TS]

00:44:42   it's matt smith but having seen a year [TS]

00:44:45   of matt smith and knowing what he's good [TS]

00:44:46   at which is actually gets me excited for [TS]

00:44:49   next year that they've got your under [TS]

00:44:50   their belt if you point towards I think [TS]

00:44:52   the two episodes and these from the [TS]

00:44:53   first season of the larger as everyone [TS]

00:44:55   has said which I agree and also the [TS]

00:44:57   eleventh hour which I think was the [TS]

00:44:58   other that the whole scene with the food [TS]

00:45:00   at the beginning that one is a great [TS]

00:45:02   example of who the 11th doctor is which [TS]

00:45:04   is just kind of kind of crazy Scott said [TS]

00:45:07   good crazy good yet these are he's our [TS]

00:45:10   concentration that isn't fish sticks and [TS]

00:45:12   putting that's right this time putting [TS]

00:45:15   very good Americanizing by the way Scott [TS]

00:45:18   fish fingers and custard which doesnt we [TS]

00:45:22   we won the Revolutionary War and let's [TS]

00:45:26   not look at what they say he's got not [TS]

00:45:29   next season didn't don't to the victors [TS]

00:45:31   go new jersey [TS]

00:45:33   oh I can see the new jersey from my [TS]

00:45:37   house [TS]

00:45:39   thanks Sarah Palin highway version to [TS]

00:45:42   the wrong territory [TS]

00:45:43   what spot gases over i think maybe it is [TS]

00:45:47   well so thank you all for coming out on [TS]

00:45:50   this out into the cold world of the [TS]

00:45:52   podcast I don't really understand what [TS]

00:45:54   that means [TS]

00:45:55   thank you for being here on this late [TS]

00:45:57   christmas night and and I think we're [TS]

00:46:02   all looking forward to Doctor Who it's [TS]

00:46:04   nice to get a little flavor of the of [TS]

00:46:06   the doctor who after a long break and [TS]

00:46:07   and then now we get to wait another [TS]

00:46:09   another three months [TS]

00:46:11   thanks a lot bbc3 whole mind real [TS]

00:46:16   versatile seven episodes and my little [TS]

00:46:19   everyone's for the next six episodes [TS]

00:46:22   like this we love it [TS]

00:46:24   oh haha right now the top one of the few [TS]

00:46:27   shows i look forward to so I'm happy to [TS]

00:46:29   not happy to wait but i'll wait what am [TS]

00:46:32   I gonna do what else am I going to watch [TS]

00:46:34   primeval I don't think so oh yeah now [TS]

00:46:38   it's not it's not okay so i'm now going [TS]

00:46:42   to say thank you to everybody and this [TS]

00:46:44   is the part of the show where I do that [TS]

00:46:46   so damn more into thank you for being [TS]

00:46:48   here [TS]

00:46:48   happy Christmas to all and to all a good [TS]

00:46:50   night that's right i try to come up with [TS]

00:46:56   that I'd relief idly and of the Holy [TS]

00:46:59   yippee-ki-yay my friend ran called well [TS]

00:47:04   thank you for for being here for the [TS]

00:47:06   pain you thank you i'm going to go eat [TS]

00:47:09   now if we haven't even met her yet [TS]

00:47:13   what's the worst Christmas ever [TS]

00:47:16   yeah it's been a very interesting [TS]

00:47:18   christmas bells get that's good [TS]

00:47:21   Scott McNulty hey I'm glad we could [TS]

00:47:25   bring provide some companionship for you [TS]

00:47:27   today [TS]

00:47:28   god bless us everyone can you help me [TS]

00:47:30   with my kindle my kindle is back [TS]

00:47:32   can you help me fix it I look at the [TS]

00:47:34   books and they don't download haha this [TS]

00:47:38   is my life [TS]

00:47:39   ok we'll talk about that later we'll [TS]

00:47:40   talk about you can help me out offline [TS]

00:47:42   from or send me something from the [TS]

00:47:43   collection Glenn fleischmann thank you [TS]

00:47:46   for suggesting that we do this and you [TS]

00:47:48   get all the blame if people say what the [TS]

00:47:50   heck was that podcast that was terrible [TS]

00:47:52   Zuzu's petals you know you know that's a [TS]

00:47:57   way that's how we ended the last podcast [TS]

00:47:59   you don't get to do that i'm sorry it's [TS]

00:48:01   all about Zeppelin's we'll just keep [TS]

00:48:04   throughout the referencing maybe one are [TS]

00:48:06   sick [TS]

00:48:06   yeah I I had a guy ask guys do i need to [TS]

00:48:10   have listened to the previous episodes [TS]

00:48:12   of the podcast in order first [TS]

00:48:14   yes I said yes you said yes and [TS]

00:48:17   something scripts consult the [TS]

00:48:19   transcripts [TS]

00:48:20   centos-5 gallery so effortlessly detail [TS]

00:48:22   land and great NOS are going to build a [TS]

00:48:24   database that includes everything we've [TS]

00:48:27   referenced in every single episode and [TS]

00:48:28   you'll be able to create your own [TS]

00:48:30   podcast only accessible and we're using [TS]

00:48:33   big words and Dan agreeing or talking [TS]

00:48:38   about return of the jedi and you just [TS]

00:48:40   make your own podcast at that that's [TS]

00:48:41   entirely cromulent of you that is our [TS]

00:48:43   that as our christmas gift to all of you [TS]

00:48:45   haha i thought that's what this podcast [TS]

00:48:47   was and to all a good night good night [TS]

00:48:51   everyone [TS]

00:48:52   don't leave me alone [TS]

00:49:02   this has been the in comfortable podcast [TS]

00:49:06   there's a decidedly incomparable dot-com [TS]

00:49:24   Glenn pointed out quite rightly that one [TS]

00:49:27   of the questions that must be asked is [TS]

00:49:29   uh is what are you drinking [TS]

00:49:32   essentially if you'll indulge me for a [TS]

00:49:35   second while I do this let's see how [TS]

00:49:36   this works on the podcast [TS]

00:49:39   ah oh is that it sound effects try and [TS]

00:49:44   make it really helped will hold on our [TS]

00:49:46   sponsor today is a anything there no [TS]

00:49:51   it's not really do ya now i don't know [TS]

00:49:53   but i heard that that was impressive [TS]

00:49:55   what glug glug glug [TS]

00:49:58   I feel like I'm on a 1940's radio play [TS]

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