The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the only memory I have of tron is [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► getting on the the rtd and taking the [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► bus to old town in torrance and playing [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► the video game for four hours at a clip [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► every Saturday one summer with Larry [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► Bacharach and a video game was the video [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► game any good when you played it for [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► four hours to clip it must have been it [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► was not very good I'm you know it was a [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► video game [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► it did have the cabinet there wrapped [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► around you and you didn't get to play it [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► was multi game or a unit one thing was [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► discs one thing was tanks one thing with [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► light cycles and so it seems impressive [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► but each individual games was not but we [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► played the light cycles and the spiders [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► had asked to justify and a knob and you [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► could spend an arm around and shoot [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► inspired we play that one we played the [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► light cycles just incessantly and we'd [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► lineup like like four dollars in [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► quarters and on across the top of the [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► the name you know the little edge they [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► have they're putting quarters down to [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► claim it and then we go to the mcdonalds [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► next door and get a big mac and then go [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► wow that's a life man [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► only if you have a better one intron [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► maybe but stuff [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast episode 54 [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► December 2010blog supplemental yeah [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► that's right well no I was gonna say [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► greetings programs haha i got a bar and [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► welcome to the uncomfortable podcast i'm [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► jason l and as you might guess we're [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► going to talk about tron a little bit [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► although I will fire I promise to fire [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► the spoiler horn before we get into any [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► particularly spoilery details about the [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► new tron movie Tron Legacy joining me [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► today on the podcast we have Dan Morgan [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► hi Dan [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► hey it's been so long been awhile i can [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► John siracusa everybody and also [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► serenity Caldwell [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► hello so tron is back the what 1982 [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► Jason Detroit never really leave [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► well that's actually one of the [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► questions is that it became this cult [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► movie and at some point disney turned [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► over a rock and said hey that's called [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► movie that was a failure when it was [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► initially released it has a has a [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► following and has some sci-fi elements [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► to it we might have a franchise here so [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► let's do another movie which is what [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► they're doing and and God you know it [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► Disney just loves the airport being [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► franchise [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► yes indeed so I remember have seen tron [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► again this state's me I i saw Tron in [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► the movie theater with my cousins and [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► and I remember it being kind of okay but [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► not great and I know that that's heresy [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► but i just want recently watched it [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► again and my take on it when i watched [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► again was that it wasn't as terrible as [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► i remembered which I'm is not a big [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► endorsement but that's what that's what [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► I mind my memory of it was very vague i [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► remembered seeing part of it at like the [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► after-school program i went to when I [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► was a kid like on VHS or something and I [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► remember a couple of the scenes like [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► vaguely remember them playing like video [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► games in the arcade at the beginning and [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► then some of the scenes you know in the [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► in the computer itself but i did not [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► have like a memory of the cohesive whole [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► and so I just watched it recently as [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► well and you know you know we SAT around [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► talking to some friends after that and [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► we're sitting there going it's hard kind [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► of in some ways it feels like a Disney [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► movie in other ways you're like [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► how Disney like make this like why it [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► seems so weird that their name is on [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► this because it's a really strange [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► almost verging on the absurdist to time [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► but that was the disney that made the [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► black hole to write that was what we [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► were talking to did you escape to Witch [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► Mountain is another one area that's [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► right that's a little more time with me [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► like but a little creepy little creepy [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► right didn't have kids it wouldn't work [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► about the original witch mountain here [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► not the one that they've released no no [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► the kurt russell yeah yeah and the [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► flight of the navigator try the [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► navigator yeah that's a good example [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► that's when Disney had no idea what it [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► was doing that they were desperately [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► trying to figure out what was going on [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► in tron came out of that in Antron was a [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► flop at the time but yeah you're right [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► like jeff bridges is kind of like a [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► hippie and he's cut or not a hippie but [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► he's a little bit easy [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► he's got groupies like a proto dude he's [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► got away with murder hacker to me is [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► that he's a hacker but they're like [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► girls and it was it's it's a little bit [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► weird because it is disney clean in some [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► ways and yet another way you like it and [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► so don't know the real world stuff is is [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► so strange and melodramatic and it's a [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► very weird movie it's an extremely [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► strange movie and I I you know watching [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► it as those for the first time anyways [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► it really was kind of hot it was an [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► experience you know it was very straight [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► you know because in one time at this [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► well at the at the same time you're [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► kinda like how these the special effects [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► are so eighties at the same time it's [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► like well I mean not that they're [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► they're like crazy impressive at this [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► point but there is a certain like well [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► there's a consistent sort of feel and [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► tone to the movie and the effects are [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► interesting for the time you're right [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► Maya like me and yeah if you put it in [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► context or two they're totally crazy [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► only our movie that had anything like [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► that with star trek to which was the [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► same period of time that had the one [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► seen the Genesis thing which was two [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► minutes long and introns got all this [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► crazy computer animated stuff and it's [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► not the most sophisticated but it's [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► mind-blowing that they even tried to do [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► it justice spider was after that wasn't [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► it i think thats dark matter after was [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► that was that was upping the ante was [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► the same thing that later texture [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► mapping it was just shading and flat [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► color same thing this tron but they [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► figured they can do more than two or [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► three scenes so I last starfighter head [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► up the ante in terms of the amount [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► content and how important it was to the [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► movie yeah the same technology that was [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► a disney that was involved in last [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► starfighter I don't think it was I think [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► it was maybe Fox I don't know my other [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► movie they need to remake my kids [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► watched tron with me two weeks ago when [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► we watched it and they liked it but I [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► think they liked it worked at exactly [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► the level that it was intended to work [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► on with kids which is it's a cool video [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► game movie right and they're not really [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► worried about the nuance of character [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► and and dialogue and plot or lack of [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► same they're like light cycles are cool [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► you know that's on one level on that [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► level I think that movie works [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► I mean let's be fair light cycles are [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► pretty freaking cool oh yeah i think i [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► was an odd kid because I i saw this [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► thing when I was whatever age I was when [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► it came out and I remember mostly I [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► don't know much about the plot i [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► remember you know that's very seems up [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► but the feeling I remember the feeling [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► is it's being angry because that's not [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► what computers are like at all and it [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► was like it was like if you ask my [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► parents what computers be like in the [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► future they come with us like no you [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► don't go inside there's no inside is no [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► people it's it's a machine you see the [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► silicon chips and transistors and it [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► just bothered me that this thing that I [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► liked was being co-opted for this movie [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► they really had nothing to do with [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► computers you want to find a [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► metaphorical though right and I just [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► felt like I was a kid that was I this [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► was before cyber space and cyberspace [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► annoys me to this day but about you know [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► the idea that we have these great things [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► which were legitimately cool their own [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► right but instead we had to make up this [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► whole other thing with motorcycles and [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► little people or whatever when just this [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► year concept of microchips and a [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► possible consequences of them was much [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► more interesting than that in this world [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► inside the computer well which is hard [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► because of weight yet when you go back [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► now and watch it if you do know anything [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► about computers like the metaphor [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► definitely goes off the rails at a [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► couple point where you're just starting [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► their going wait wait there [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► somebody wants to talk to John digital [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► frontier [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► drop location information as they went [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► through the computer [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► what did they look like robots chips [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► motorcycles [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► yes motorcycle electronic slamming plays [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► keep dreaming I thought I'd never see [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► because it doesn't exist and the exact [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► that's how about some good it does have [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► some good music I talk about that that's [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► how tron legacy starts that's actually [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► from the turon legacy soundtrack that's [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► how the movie starts for the tron legacy [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► soundtrack having not seen tron legacy [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► yet but having your having been a fan of [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► daft punk i'm a huge plug for the [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► soundtrack because it's pretty awesome [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► that is awesome [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► it is awesome and i have seen I have [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► seen tron legacy [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► so which is one of the reasons why I [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► called you all here is because I saw a [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► movie before it came out but I can't [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► remember the last time being alien 3 was [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► the last time that happened in boy that [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► was not a good movie aliens little [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► review little spoiler review alien alien [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► 3 battle defend david fincher daily and [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► three the same way that you will defend [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► no ordinary family for example III isn't [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► this not saying anything three is a good [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► movie because it's not really put this [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► is something there was something there [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► an alien 3 newts dad sorry about that [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► remember a treat the girl you got [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► invested in aliens [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► well she's getting the first thing sorry [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► okay I'm palliative on because Charles [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► Gunn is here and there are other monks [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► and aliens and a lice head shaving and [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► its quality so I so I yet Ron the [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► original tron I the parts that i liked [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► about it i mean i kind of like Jeff [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► Bridges beverages is probably the best [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► part of them you know the-the-the well [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► that the game scenes are interesting [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► with the disc in with the light cycles [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► and at the time especially it's kind of [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► mind-blowing but but the dialogue and [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► applaud i want to say how psyched i am [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► that there's a world in which the most [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► redeeming skill would be like knowing [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► how to play ultimate frisbee [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► yes it does i would rule in the truck [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► was on saying you would [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► there should have been a scene in Tron [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► Legacy where Garrett Hedlund is playing [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► ultimate frisbee so that when he gets [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► into the game you can be like it makes I [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► can through this he actually does that [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► with the oh sorry motorcycles have [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► oilers [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► yeah he rides a motorcycle so that's big [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► spoiler there but just to let you know [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► he rides a motorcycle takes us trailer [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► we see that in the trailer [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► yeah all right well then he's not a huge [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► spoiler but I I could share bigger [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► spoilers i just want to fire on this [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► little horn i gotta say it also [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► throughout just a bit about the you know [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► it's fascinating to see them make you [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► know create a sequel to a movie [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► 30 years later right like I mean they [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► just did something similar with wall [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► street two but like I like the way that [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► they so easily could have been a remake [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► right but they made it yeah i mean like [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► a made-up bruce boxleitner and jeff [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► bridges and all the in you're like wow [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► what a I mean fascinating I think the [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► conversation must have been why do you [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► think we could get Jeff Bridges back [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► because if we could then we should do [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► this is a sequel [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► I don't know about you think we could [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► get Bruce Boxleitner key is I think so [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► so Bruce Boxleitner let me tell you [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► original tron by the way has half the [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► cast of Babylon 5 minute because Peter [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► juristic is also in londo from Babylon 5 [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► he's the accounting program that gets [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► really a bruce boxleitner is great in [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► fact i was watching that watching the [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► movie and thinking he's got a real like [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► Robert Redford and sneakers vibe going [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► on here and I read a review of tron [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► legacy today that said he's channeling [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► Robert Redford he's great i I actually [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► think so i think he's a better actor now [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► than it was 30 years ago almost sounds [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► like he's really he's really perfect and [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► in his part is that you know Alan [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► Bradley who's kind of the angry guy on [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► the board of income and um I hope you I [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► hope people see it and say hey let's get [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► Bruce back box liners agent call because [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► he is fantastic and i hope to see him [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► and other stuff because he really did a [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► great job i mean i like to my dad 15 but [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► in tron legacy I every time he comes on [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► screen like yeah it's bruce boxleitner [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► so yes sorry i I've admitted that i like [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► bruce boxleitner but you know so they [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► got the band back together instead of [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► doing the remake which they totally [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► could have done that said the first 45 [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► minutes of tron legacy is kind of a [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► remake it where you you set up the [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► premise that it's a sequel and then a [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► I'm gonna keep the spoilers light but I [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► want to make it clear that there are [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► slight spoilers here you know here's [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► spoiler alert sam does go into the tron [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► world [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► no really I know again it's in the [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► trailer and and what happens to him when [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► he gets there is essentially what [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► happens to Jeff Bridges when he gets [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► there intron he he ends up giving you [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► found and they think he's a program he [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► says he's not a program but they don't [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► listen to them and they send him to me [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► mad [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► yeah and they sent him to the games and [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► because why do they do that well because [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► the same reason is the original they [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► want to show you the light cycles and [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► they want to show you the disc game and [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► so before the plot really kicks into [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► gear you get the same kind of stuff that [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► you had in the original tron it you know [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► so it's sort of funny because it the [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► first little part of it is kind of a [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► remake that's cool let's revisit this [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► world and show you how we have updated [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► it well I mean cuz we gotta make it [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► accessible to everybody who didn't see [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► tron right and it is you know it i think [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► it is pretty straightforward that you [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► don't have to i mean if you've seen the [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► matrix 2i think you kind of get it and [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► that's one of the funny things about i [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► was very matrix like my friends at how [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► angry he was when the matrix came out [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► because it was ripping off Tron and I [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► was like now i guess i can see that in [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► some ways you automatically yes there's [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► a similarity but at the same time vastly [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► different movements there's but there's [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► bits of the matrix in tron legacy to [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► where you can definitely tell that it [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► that it's been influenced by it and and [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► and jeff bridges you know jeff bridges [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► is really good in it if I've got any [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► criticisms of tron legacy it's that [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► doesn't have a very good sense of humor [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► but he's funny in his it in his the fact [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► that his character is kinda like the [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► dude in the big lebowski he's kind of [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► this hippie and he spent most of his [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► time you know I think sitting in a lotus [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► position and he has to be spurred into [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► action and which is funny because when [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► we cuz i saw that scene like in a [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► trailer where he started sitting in the [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► lotus position and there's a cut scene [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► from the original tron in which the [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► character of tron played by this box [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► well is also sitting in a lotus position [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► and like it's the same sort of like [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► looking out over this Vista cuz there's [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► this scene that they cut which is on the [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► DVD which is like a love scene which is [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► kind of hilarious in that it's very it's [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► the only part they ever take off that [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► their helmets [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► so they have my hair was essentially [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► micron and the girl whose name escapes [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► yeah Yuri yeah and it's very very weird [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► because like they actually take off the [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► light helmets that they wear and they've [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► got hair and like it its she changes [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► into let me slip into something more [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► comfortable and what there's this great [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► story about like remembers one of the [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► producers whatever arguing with the [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► director about like like not taking it [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► out or something and it's like you have [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► to take it out it doesn't make it he [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► said to totally bring up the flow the [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► movies disney movie too [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► what are you doing well that actually [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► 100 mpa premiums that kissing you rated [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► exactly and it's a it's a scene in which [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► one another like or don't like using the [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► others might be onto something exactly [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► like a graphic here [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► graphic api's but I have a question for [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► Jason because uh having not seen that we [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► only seen the trailers my essential of [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► my questions from the trailers but first [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► all the girls gave me the impression [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► that I'm gonna be disappointed i think a [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► lot of people have that pressure on the [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► trailer but when i look at the trailer [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► what I say is i can see what this trail [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► is trying to say to me and my question [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► is is tron legacy uh Christopher Nolan's [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► Batman or tim burton's batman is you [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► know asking like what the original tron [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► is where is it a like marker span and [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► yeah and this looks like a a dark kind [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► of remake but there's darken this dark [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► you know what I mean like it's kind of [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► like a tim burton's batman compared to [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► Adam West one thing but then you go one [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► step up for christopher nolan i would [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► really like this movie I think if they [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► went you know if this was the dark [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► knight you know [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► oh I have a feeling its timber well it [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► is a PG movie you know it is it is well [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► I wouldn't say it's tim burton because [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► I'm first I'm not a big tim burton fan [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► although I like the original batman but [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► he is so stylized and and i don't mean [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► the silence mean in terms of like how it [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► compares the original content which was [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► kind of more kid dish and then this is [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► kind of you know the remake okay so okay [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► agile okay about tron legacy whatwhat [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► tron legacy is is a modern 3d and 3d is [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► good by the way it's not fake 3d and it [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► the way they do it is is really [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► brilliant it's Wizard of Oz like when [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► you start in 2d and then at some point [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► it blows into 3d it's really well done [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► there's actually a disclaimer at the [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► beginning of the movie that says yes put [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► on your 3d glasses something will have [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► then it won't happen right away just [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► keep your 3d glasses on and don't [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► complain so it is a modern blockbuster [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► it's a holiday or or summer equivalent [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► action blockbuster 3d CGI action movie i [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► mean it is on the same kind of level as [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► the transformer movies except actually I [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► enjoyed this movie and i did not enjoy [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► the transformer movies at all it is so i [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► liked it i thought it was really good it [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► is not a dark vision of [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► something-or-other there you know it [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► never gets too dark there are some of [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► the other than the color you're saying [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► it automatically doesn't get the right [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► right there was a lot of black what's a [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► lot of black and a lot of neon right [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► which is sort of more like a ban on our [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► land of adventure [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► it is it is avatar avatar is probably [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► the movie its most like other than you [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► tron um and you know the plot is [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► somewhat nonsensical but but on another [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► level I think if you go with if you just [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► say well I'm just gonna go with it [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► because it's like let's introduce this [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► well that's gonna be relevant because [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► why would you have introduced it there's [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► some of that but you know generally it [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► was really enjoyable and the effects are [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► amazing the soundtrack is really good [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► and so it's a movie that absolutely you [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► can appreciate on the blockbuster action [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► movie sense i think you really can [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► appreciate it for that and then there is [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► another level which is the nostalgia [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► level which is like this is the same [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► world clearly disney think this is gonna [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► be a franchise and actually I was [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► talking to somebody afterward who said [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► did you understand the ending and I said [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► oh yeah it [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► the ending is that it's a franchise [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► because it you know they're things that [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► happened toward the end of the movie [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► that you like are they going to resolve [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► no that's for the later video games [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► spin-offs or movie sequels or something [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► so it's got a little bit of kind of [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► franchise aspect although not know I [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► didn't feel ripped off its not like like [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► a book that is split into tune two [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► volumes and you get to the end of volume [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► one or more like a harry potter movie [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► where it's like don't know the rest of [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► the movie doesn't come out for six [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► months too bad too bad evil wins it's [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► not it's not it's not like that anyway I [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► found enjoyable there there is issues I [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► have with it the kind of a lack of a [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► sense of humor the the fake CGI jeff [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► bridges young Jeff Bridges is pretty [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► good a little encounter uncanny valley [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► at first it's [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► yeah yeah when I watched him in the [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► trailer you choose me like the mother [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► but it's pretty good it's the mouth [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► doesn't quite match I think there's too [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► many like muscles going on there in the [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► the lip-sync isn't exactly right but [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► i'll tell you as it goes on I you [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► actually start to forget that it's there [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► and and you have those moments were like [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► oh right that's not no that's not real [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► so it does get better as it goes along [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► but so so John I don't know if that [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► answers your question it's it's it's I [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► think it does i think that that's it's [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► an action movie right it's a cgi cry [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► action movie it's not it's not dark in [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► the sense of the themes about kind of [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► exploring the human soul it it's a real [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► kind of service just kind of surface [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► level gloss on those kind of feels like [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► that makes the movie the thing that [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► makes movies dark is not so much the the [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► plata or the material but it's more it's [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► more like how emotionally wrenching it [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► is on top of also being a strange [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► fantasy scenario and most movies they're [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► like adventure movies are sci-fi/fantasy [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► just get by on their premise and a story [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► but a movie like you know dark night for [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► example right that the characters right [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► go through experiences that are there [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► are emotionally troubling and that adds [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► adds realism to a situation that that's [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► unreal and most movies are gonna go the [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► extra mile that is this movie does not [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► do that in this movie is an action [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► vehicle with some kind of interesting [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► things going on beneath the surface [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► Jeff Bridges has some interesting issues [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► because especially since it's him versus [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► sort of himself for his own creation the [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► same character you know they try to give [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► him a lot of a lot of quirks but in [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► reality it's your it's actually like the [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► kid and transformers well you know there [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► is there is a Shia LaBeouf of five a [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► little bit to that to that where it's [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► like that you know kid on his own who [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► ends up in this crazy scenario if [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► there's things exploding around him and [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► he shows that he's more competent than [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► you might have thought and I mean it [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► it's got that to it but olivia wilde [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► character Cora is very interesting and [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► has a little bit of an interesting [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► journey although there too I feel like [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► there's some some sequel baiting going [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► on but yeah it's what impressed me about [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► it is that you could easily have made [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► her a remake a sequel to tron that was [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► totally cheesy and it's not cheesy it's [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► it's it looks great [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► the 3d [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► is fantastic the effects are great the [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► soundtrack is great it's loud and [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► exciting and you know it is it is that [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► mass entertainment and there's there's [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► some finir of you know of philosophy [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► going on there but it's not too deep [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► it's definitely not in fact my biggest [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► complaint about tron legacy is that [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► gaming video games have come a long way [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► since 1982 and yet [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► at no point in this movie did they make [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► an attempt to throw in sort of a video [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► game genre that might be a little more [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► modern this is a video game world as [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► conceived by Flynn 1982 so you know [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► there isn't a 40s shooter or Mario [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► that's another way they could have gone [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► with this is is not dark but avant-garde [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► because if you think about the world [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► inside the computer what we could do for [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► an animated movie today and I are more [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► more abstract more like a confusing it's [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► basically more non-mainstream like what [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► would it look like inside the computer [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► with today's cg it could be ridiculously [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► crazy nonsensical you know we do a [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► better job doing dream world and like [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► that that stupid JLo movie the seller [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► whatever where that you're in someone's [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► murderers head or what if you notice you [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► know Kevin Flynn got insert it was a [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► remake what if Kevin Flynn got inserted [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► into world of warcraft right or [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► something like that a massively [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► multiplayer i'm thinking of like more [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► like the scene from the end of 2001 were [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► like you don't know what's going on but [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► it's more like a cortar elsewhere you [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► know inside the computer could be in [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► comprehensible it's definitely not an [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► art piece this is he has as you heard [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► from the from the the jeff bridges [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► speech the whole idea here is it's a [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► metaphor [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► the good thing about it is it's a [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► metaphor made by people who understand [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► how computers work better than they did [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► in nineteen eighty-two there's some [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► funny I saw with a bunch of of game [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► developers and detect journalists and [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► there's some funny scenes where where [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► there's typing on a unix system that's [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► apparently driving some of the stuff [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► that's happening and there was a lot of [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► laughter there because he's like running [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► grab commands and stuff in it and some [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► of the metaphors I felt like held [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► together a little bit based on more [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► based on what we know about computers [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► today where is the original tron you [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► looking like how is that a program how [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► is that anything in a computer it's just [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► a movie you know set in a computer that [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► has no metaphor and tron legacy I feel [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► like there's at least some basic [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► computer literacy going on in the [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► background that computer literate people [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► can go [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► oh yeah I see what that is also text [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► make a noise when it appears on the [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► screen every time a window appears [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► before group it's all command line i [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► have to say yeah but even in the movies [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► like this drives me nuts that whenever [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► text appears on a computer screen [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► television and movies it makes no idea [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► because so there's a television people [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► have the television people feel like we [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► will we will not be able to handle an [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► end it appears like a letter at a time [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► albeit very quickly like everyone is [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► used to computer by now everyone knows [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► that's not how computers work more time [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► now to keep doing that media OS it i [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► mean about 10 is basically media west [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► and i still have to add the sound of a [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► there is a funny bit about open source [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► software and how income used to be with [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► the people man and now they're now [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► they're more oracle like and they're [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► like selling the OS and and and it gets [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► its there's some funny stuff about that [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► at the very beginning so I do like that [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► because after having seen the original [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► tron and seeing how kind of as first [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► computer focus is that movie is it is [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► kind of computer illiterate on another [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► level and and the generation that made [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► this movie really gets computers in a [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► way that that they didn't that Stephen [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► list burger I think didn't get in 1982 [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► and so it's different it's better right [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► i mean that that part of it is is [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► definitely better and I i think that the [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► tron fan if that I and apparently there [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► are those people out there might be [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► upset because this is like you know it's [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► like doing Star Trek The Next Generation [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► or rebooting star trek or something like [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► that where it's it's taking something [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► that only belong to you for 25 years and [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► now it belongs to everybody except what [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► it belongs to them is not what you [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► remember because it the world's been [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► changed and extended so there's going to [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► be some some of those people are gonna [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► be upset but it's such a small group and [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► i think it's going to create a whole [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► generation of of new fans for this I [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► actually think this is a viable a viable [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► franchise they did a great [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► they did a great job with that they [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► really did I mean the thing about the [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► original tron to and this is something I [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► was going to mention earlier is I've [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► seen tron a couple of times and most [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► recently i think last year but whenever [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► I go more than like a couple you know [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► months without seeing it all becomes [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► very vague and very like you remember [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► memory [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► like images just like a dream right yes [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► and that's because there's a whole [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► pieces of it you're like what is this [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► one going on but it makes it easier I [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► think to transition into you know try on [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► the next generation so right right [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► because you know you even if you've seen [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► it recently what you really know is [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► enough that you know there's a world and [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► there's there's Jeff Bridges and it's it [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► all it all work itself out right and and [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► then it's all explained in the opening [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► credits so I think that also journey [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► which appeared in the original there [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► isn't an over the crowd there is a there [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► is a journey there is a journey song in [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► this movie which is a hilarious there [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► are several hilarious callbacks if [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► you've recently seen tron or have it [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► burned on your brain including journey [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► and then then your rhythmic follows that [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► the journey is the is the the same band [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► that played me in Kevin flynn's arcade [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► in the original and there's even a call [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► back to the door to income the giant [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► door that I was a I would never have [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► gotten if I hadn't seen the movie two [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► weeks yeah that's how weird little seen [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► in the original that's what I got you [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► know door they got people because I i of [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► course I said you know we're watching it [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► mr. open the door and I got that's a big [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► story that makes it exact same thing in [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► the movie and you're like okay at least [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► they got a sense of humor about that [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► yeah yeah so you know that's my real why [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► do we have our laser directly pointed at [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► a chair [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► I don't know right now these things that [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► because that's the way to get into the [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► thing out its ya know eighties movies [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► think yeah yeah so yeah so I think tron [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► legacy is good and even if you did [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► electron i think i think people i think [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► people will like oh you know is the most [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► fascinating thing to me is that this [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► this is you know the christmas season of [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► course being one of the other big [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► seasons for movies in here the [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► blockbusters especially i love the jet [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► bridge is going up against himself this [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► year because not only do you have to [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► jeff bridges in introns but you also [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► have the true grit remake with also has [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► jeff bridge there's room enough for tron [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► and true grit i think is room enough for [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► 30 sec all Jeff Bridges the the scenes [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► where jeff bridges is is against young [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► jeff bridges in tron are are really [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► they're really cool and I wonder i'm [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► sure that there's some featurette out [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► there that explains how they did it [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► I wonder what weather was combination of [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► motion capture or replacement did he act [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► as himself in the scene and then they [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► replaced him or did they do it in with a [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► double and then motion capture or was an [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► article and wire to about it and I think [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► they use another actor and then they put [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► his face on top of the other actor so [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► the other actor read his lines [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► yeah and the antenna and they put his [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► face on top of the other actors easier [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► than doing a full CG head it was because [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► they had a physical analog to work with [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► leather and there are shocked actually [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► they play with it they play with the [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► audience expectations there are shots [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► from behind and where he's behind like [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► the frame of the window and you're like [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► oh yes you're saving on CGI by having [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► their but they're also shots the early [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► on the movie where you're behind his [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► head and you're like oh yes conveniently [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► behind the guy's head so we can see his [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► face that then the camera tracks around [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► and you see that it's jeff bridges and [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► my god see what you did there you played [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► with my expectation of that would be [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► actually geology has gotten a lot better [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► if anybody saw that the social network i [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► actually was watching that and there's a [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► dirt well two characters for twins in [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► that movie and I recognize the actor [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► from something else I'd seen I was like [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► I wasn't aware that he was a twin get to [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► the end of the movie no same guy play [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► both do need a majority i did not even i [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► did not even i did not even suspected [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► that one that was pretty good pull down [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► delhi mills in a twenty there yet the [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► difference the difference with bridges [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► is that they had da gym right i mean [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► that was the right that's the end of our [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► partners that that's why George Lucas is [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► buying up the rights that movie so that [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► was proven false thank God [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► well I have to say though that this was [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► the first movie that I really watched [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► and thought oh you know this is getting [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► to be viable now where you really call [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► that and that were there is a [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► fascinating plum sort of premise for a [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► movie script that I read many many years [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► ago called gemini man' which sort of [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► floating around for a long time right [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► which was having it was like about a guy [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► who starts getting hunted down by [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► younger clone of himself essentially and [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► they were trying to get like Harrison [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► Ford or you know it's Sean Connery or [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► someone like that was kind of has those [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► distinct like you know older and younger [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► parts of their careers because that and [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► that and that would be fascinating to a [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► certain extent and but you know it's [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► just a big thinking younger couldn't you [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► just get a young actor and put an [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► old-age makeup though I mean it won't be [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► the same right it would be the same [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► person Harrison for there's not really [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► an actor out there that signifies [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► everything take a young actor like shia [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► labeouf and have the old child both be [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► Shia LaBeouf wearing makeup [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► that i would recommend because you don't [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► have the same grabbing a log yeah [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► exactly he hasn't earned it right [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► that's for sure I saw asked the the [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► Crystal Skull and interestedly I saw [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► transformers two easy transformers 2i [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► did not it i only saw the guys get out [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► on that one [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► and now there's nothing they just [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► released the trailer for the third 1i [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► sorry an announcement trailer some [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► people are excited about it and I just [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► don't understand it and those movies are [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► the perfect embodiment of just like [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► sound and fury signifying now that does [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► everything is on the screen banks [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► together but it's just nothing that's [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► why it's it's I brought up transformers [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► when I talk about tron legacy costs Ron [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► legacy again isn't deep or anything and [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► it's not the greatest movie ever made [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► but it is it is I could you know I could [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► understand the entire thing and had fun [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► watching it and and transformers I [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► didn't even have fun [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► well okay there's the scene with megan [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► fox you know and looking at the car [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► I enjoyed that seen any other scene in [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► that movie I didn't even have fun it was [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► like an ordeal to b2b survived as the [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► noise and the robots and pieces and what [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► are they doing and I can't even tell [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► what accumulating two little kids who [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► just want the spectacle and need [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► absolutely nothing else they need no [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► emotional attachment they need no [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► following of the plot they just want [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► respect to go but once you reached hey [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► can I know so much dollars to know some [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► adults were like out to ya then these [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► were huge huge successes at the box [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► office obviously somebody wants that [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► what I'm saying is yeah that's wrong [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► like to see mine is a cut above that [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► it's not going to give you it's not [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► gonna give you character depth it's not [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► going to give you Batman Begins The Dark [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► Knight but it is going to get you [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► something that is more than the the [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► totally like protein-free calories that [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► you get with something like transformers [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► so you know KITT gauge your enthusiasm [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► accordingly but for people who like [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► sci-fi movies geeky geeky people people [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► who listen to the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► for example I think they're gonna like [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► tron legacy as long as they can get over [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► their love of tron because they've seen [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► a million times it's their favorite [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► movie if you're out there listening what [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► you've turned it off because we said bad [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► things about tron so I guess you're not [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► even listening [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► so no I was kind of disappointed that uh [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► that pixar didn't do [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► tron because I've always been rooting [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► for Pixar to take off the kid gloves so [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► to speak and do a photo [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► realistic cg movie with people which [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► they'll eventually get there right and [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► and not a kids movie like a drama so [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► tron fits perfectly it's EG it's mostly [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► inside a computer you can do it as kind [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► of a young adult adult movie PG pg-13 [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► but totally cg and isn't Rory I feel [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► like would be a lot better if pixar did [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► it because the pixar level of stories [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► like avatar is like your cliché story [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► like bong rip off familia the movies too [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► cliche story is done workmanlike it's [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► fine [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► Pixar is take a you know protocol story [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► and heighten it and like bring it up to [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► the next level so you could if you gave [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► pixar Tron and gave the end told the [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► missus gonna be your first PG pg-13 [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► photorealistic movie with humans in it [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► go to town I feel like they would have [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► done much better job than these guys did [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► not that I'm saying this is a bad movie [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► I feel like a basis of assessment still [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► makes me want to see it and i probably [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► will see it but I just think about what [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► might have been you know well i'm not [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► sure that the picture thing works so if [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► you if one of the things that is [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► interesting about Ron is that you've got [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► real people in a computer in a computer [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► world that if everybody cgi well it's an [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► interesting everything in the computer [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► should be of the computer that's what [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► they were trying to do with those stupid [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► suits with the black lights and [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► everything in the original right it's [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► supposed to look like you're in the [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► computer and the fact that their flesh [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► and blood is a demerit in my opinion at [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► a mistake photorealistic people like [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► it's jeff bridges face is basically a CG [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► yeah ask wait I have another actor [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► anyway so I'm saying we're not maybe [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► you're not there yet but maybe another [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► 5-10 years when his pics are going to do [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► the photorealistic humans in a Drama see [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► out of sci-fi drama that's on waiting [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► for I'm kind of torn about that because [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► honestly I don't know if that really [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► adds anything because it kind of feels [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► to me like you're basically what what [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► are you really accomplishing in that [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► point you're spending hundreds of [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► millions of dollars on doing something [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► where you can basically put a bunch of [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► you budgetary cancer it's not a it's not [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► a technology stunt it's kind of like [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► what are you accomplishing by you know [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► making the incredibles on a computer [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► while you the things you can do an [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► animation that just because a [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► photorealistic it means but what I'm [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► trying to say is not a cartoonish it [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► doesn't mean you can't do things that [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► are only possible in animation in fact [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► intron you should do things that are [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► only possible in animation because you [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► should be doing things that are only [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► possible in the world of the computer [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► turn people inside out you know how them [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► grow and shrink do whatever you need to [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► do that would be unfeasible with actual [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► actors you're gonna get over get over [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► the ninr yeah my pics are shallow and [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► cry and and pics are showing out there [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► you humanize anything they can to my [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► eyes that you know monsters that can [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► humanize little robots like humanize [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► human stuff but jeff bridges is not jeff [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► bridges in tron legacy is not there yet [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► its closest closer than I've ever seen [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► it but it's still not there and until [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► you can get over that it once they get [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► over that I think you you may see you [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► may see that Pixar's philosophy right [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► now is that mean they've actually gone I [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► think less realistic with their [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► characters recently of it but think of [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► something like Gollum right that's not [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► human but it's it's borderline like he [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► worked as a character because you're [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► bored again can evaluate how can the [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► blue people in Avatar he was thinking he [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► was a person that right and advocacy [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► ourselves and our get a look at this [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► whole thing you look at column now and [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► it's really it's really hard to watch to [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► be perfectly honest going back and [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► revisiting those movies I don't think [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► it's a good performance visited the key [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► is that it's an act it's an actor [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► performing that it's not you know [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► there's the line between an actor doing [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► a performance and animator making the [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► performance like those will start to [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► blend depending on the movie will go in [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► one direction or another so I'm not my [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► kind of corset [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► yeah and I don't particularly you know I [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► go back and watch a lot of old movies [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► and you know I although it sometimes [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► during I honestly don't find that is [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► noticeable if it fits sort of within the [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► frame of the movie so I still think all [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► looks pretty good honestly you know at [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► least in the frame of that movie [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► it doesn't really pull me out of it like [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► chances i think I practical performance [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► is the important part and i am hearing [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► people are those the character even if [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► you look awful like yoda does not look [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► good but you notice character it still [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► works and Empire I well but i will argue [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► it you are you a hundred times that he [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► looks better than the cgi version oh [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► yeah Leslie but their question right [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► he's just a little by him as a person as [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► a person in the in Empire just because [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► of the an American parent is everything [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► about the prequels is worse in every [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► possible way so that it stands to reason [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► that this would be one of those that [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► actually kinda like the CG Yoda that's [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► one of the only things i do have to pre [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► called beyond like always to the CEO to [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► beat people up later said not a reason [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► to consider the whole point is you [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► I mean to people yeah I actually liked [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► it better when he in that there's that [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► scene where he's walking in [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► is it the second movie or maybe it's the [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► first movie at the end of the first [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► movie where he's walking along in the [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► scene with other people and it's just [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► him and and you can see him walking [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► that's the one where I like who [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► yeah you was walking you know don't [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► think they look into why is wonderful [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► time with John with John this one guy [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► was a genius whatever Frank Oz it's on [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► casters over my cause is a genius [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► yeah we'll get there is just the pics [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► are you know pixar it is a challenge for [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► all the all the cgi people now that [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► they're at the point where they could [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► make people that looks like people and [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► it would creep people out so they had to [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► back off and i'm wondering to John's [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► point when we get there where somebody [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► says we're going to take a leap and [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► we're gonna do something that really [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► looks like reality and looks like real [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► actors and and not stylized in a way to [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► say this is animation and I mean it [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► doesn't like that's my trial works [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► because it's you don't have to make it [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► real real real life because things [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► should happen inside the computer that [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► are not possible in real life and you [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► buy them because of the the context but [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► you do have to do it that first leap of [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► saying look we're gonna make a whole [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► movie cg there'll be nothing real this [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► movie we're going to call a toy story [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► that's one leap the next week I think of [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► someone finally getting the guts to say [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► where we want this to look as real as it [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► possibly can and maybe the only cheap [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► will have is that will do it in a [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► context where unreal things can still [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► happen [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► I mean did you see the final fantasy [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► movie yes I did and I was I knew it [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► would be awful but i'm saying at least [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► someone had the guts to try and [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► miserably the only tried the only real [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► problem that I see is when you run into [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► the squash and stretch problem which is [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► that animation fundamentally is built [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► upon squash and stretch and if you're [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► trying to make photorealistic humans you [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► don't really have that power of being [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► able to animate their faces and such [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► well its software right and one of the [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► things that pixar as and I think a lot [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► of these companies do is they write [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► software that that does muscle simple [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► you know muscle synthesis and there are [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► you saying that the squash and stretch [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► is what makes the animation expressive [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► it's like a lot of the animators are [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► when you do cgi think you have to move [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► more towards the actor's performance [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► then [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► the animators to the animators want to [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► squash and stretch to make right actions [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► look-look animation me and they're more [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► dramatic interesting right here also you [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► can't do that when you have right but [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► you can't do that with a rigidbody thing [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► like a human is supposed to be real and [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► that case you're mostly doing [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► performance capture and the animators [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► are only there to make sure there's no [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► hitches in the performance is why I'm [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► kind of hesitant about the whole thing [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► where it's just gonna end up with you'll [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► end up with a movie that's got again a [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► golem type in it which is it's an actual [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► actors performance or or avatar actually [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► actual active performance with motion [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► capture exactly right avatar of the [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► performances were guests of they weren't [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► they weren't as expressive as Gollum I [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► felt like the faces were more or less [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► what they were going for realistic one [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► in the blue people were drying their [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► naughty were designed to I remember [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► their name they were designed right [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► you're if you're getting if you know the [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► limitations of your of your animation [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► you're going to design your characters [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► to ya to hide the limitations which you [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► can't do with the human with a pure [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► human but you can do with blue people or [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► or or hobbits hospices first whatever [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► column is he's not a hobby XX accent [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► this is not a hobby is like a river [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► River purchase of something be [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► interesting to see what the house looks [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► like speaking of the hobbit to see how [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► far they've come because like 44 Lord of [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► the Rings gone is really the only major [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► cg only character but they had a lot of [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► other characters that like the hobbits [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► they put rubber feet on them just [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► because it's not feasible to do with CG [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► feet for all the things right but at a [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► certain point you can do this easy [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► things and people don't notice any more [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► like in the movies that you don't think [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► have any cg cg they have tons of CG and [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► there's some places where you don't [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► notice right set and that's that [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► intentions and background fills and [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► stuff are or even just like a man once [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► you can do like well the rubber feet [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► look kind of not great in some scenes in [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► Lord of the Rings if they could replace [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► those rubber feet with better-looking cg [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► feet and you just would have assumed a [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► good-looking rubber feet like that's a [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► win I feel like for overall not taking [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► you out of the movie [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► I don't know is going to pay it is the [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► expense you know maybe maybe sometimes [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► yes I'm saying eventually becomes easier [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► to blend into the background because it [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► becomes cheaper to do it in the computer [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► and nobody notices literally nobody [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► noticed it is a hundred percent as good [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► whereas occasionally you notice the [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► rubber feet in our occasionally a [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► close-up you no good at us and pancake [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► makeup and a little line on the edge of [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► a wig because you know use shot eight [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► million hours of footage and sometimes [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► yeah but what it leads [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► this charming I mean you look at [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► something like back to the future and [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► wouldn't back to the future be so much [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► more [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► not as cute if all the faces were [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► digitally aged as always I mean all you [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► don't have all the charm it will have [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► all the time you want member watching [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► holographic movies that we stand in the [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► middle of me haha you remember this 2d [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► movies where you are in the middle of it [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► wasn't a hoax on my side job by this it [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► by this argument I think you said you [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► know you could say that the special [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► editions of star wars were on virtually [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► good because they updated with CGI and i [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► would argue that they were so awful [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► well then everything exactly see I knew [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► everything that was but i think that i [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► think the issue is that you know there's [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► something to the cgi in many cases that [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► still feels sterile like it'sit's a [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► little balcony and when to use it and [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► when not to use it and the answers are [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► was when to use it was never know that [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► that's not entirely fair they're dead [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► there are things that the cgi get you [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► used to clean up the optical compositing [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► that's it but that's but that's a good [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► point that I mean so much of Star Wars [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► is Magic was all of the mats and all of [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► the miniature no no but it has to be [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► internally consistent because if you [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► have an entire movie that's made with [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► electron you can't put practical effects [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► into the middle of tron of what i can [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► see G effects into there are practical [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► effects and tron legacy though because [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► all the suits are done with LED lights [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► and they aren't like CGI composited I [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► mean like the light box where they build [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► a full-size model the light back the guy [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► climbed into and they cut the CD light [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► bike i really doubt that they did that [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► because they do that tend to stand out [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► you want a movie to be internally [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► consistent and of its time so if you [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► have a practical effects movie and you [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► throw in something that you know was not [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► possible that doesn't fit with the rest [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► of the movie at all because you could [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► never actually show you know this model [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► from this angle between another [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► technology it sticks out like a sore [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► thumb and add to the fact that all the [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► cg star wars was done very early [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► relatively speaking in the age of CG and [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► just looks horrible horrible right [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► that's that's the biggest problem with [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► it is now it looks like it looks dated [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► because it was done like a mac and and [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► the planets [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► yes and now I mean some of the stuff I [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► think I'd argued and there are there are [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► parts of the original of the Death Star [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► fight in the original Star Wars special [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► edition on New Hope special edition that [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► actually don't look too bad especially [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► if you go back and look and compare them [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► at the models they're clearly [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► technically superior [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► whether or not they're better using i [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► might when I was shouting downpour [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► friend who's sitting across from me I my [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► point was just you know maybe they're [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► nostalgic reasons why you like seeing [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► the mat lines on the x-wings as they go [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► by but that's not I mean that the that [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► I'm wasting my lines i'm just saying you [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► can't an entirely new cg x-wing because [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► there weren't enough on the screen [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► no III don't know whether I mean restart [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► Ripper I I feel like that's a that's an [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► argument about my where that argument [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► wins for me is that George Lucas keeps [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► backing don't you know going back over [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► his work again and begin the game he's [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► altering content that is that is the [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► worst sin that he is actually altering [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► well I mean because it's a slippery [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► slope right it started with let's first [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► up the x-wing fighter and it turned into [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► you know green shoots her first you know [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► and i like that once you start like [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► tapping at power so I by dr. it's like [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► the dark side of the iBot the the star [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► trek HD blu rays are those the ones with [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► the renal you actually can watch it with [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► the redone special effects are not the [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► reason they redid the special effects is [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► that they did was our practice HD [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► transfer and that the since it was all [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► shot on film it looks great and they [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► restored the the film and it's amazing [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► to see star trek HD because it's better [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► than it ever looked because it was only [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► broadcast on ntsc in the day but they [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► read the special effects partly because [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► the special effects they didn't have [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► very many they were extremely limited it [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► was TV in the sixties to run to a sci-fi [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► show with special effects and so they [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► tried to be you know and some of them [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► working some of them don't but what I [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► like about it is they tried to be [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► faithful to what they were trying to do [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► and what they wanted to do but kinda [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► couldn't pull off and some of it was [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► about science like they should these [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► planets that people were supposedly [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► living on with a breathable atmosphere [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► and it looked like a gas giant because [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► that was the shot they had they made it [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► they were able to build a planet with [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► terrain and and and use that instead and [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► i actually like like that but the reason [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► that that I like it is because they were [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► very restrained and they give you the [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► option to do either one and also because [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► i think they wanted to reach another [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► audience and and the day really terrible [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► terrible effects of of the old star trek [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► wall nostalgic to some you know when i [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► watch those with my kids I show them [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► what the ones with the new effects [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► because [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► it helps and all and it helps [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► it's what they're used to know in a way [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► the funny thing is they did fix some [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► errors in the start there's a scene [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► where I'm mr. Sulu's looking at his [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► chronometer and it's winding backward it [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► and it's wrong way and it doesn't work [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► right and they just they just replaced [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► it with an and it doesn't offend me [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► because it always defended me that they [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► got it wrong and that it was also a [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► series of disks that were spinning and [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► now it's a readout the tix backward and [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► it's way better [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► so you know I I understand the purest [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► argument and I understand the argument [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► that you use the tech to kind of cleanup [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► was there at the same time I kind of [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► appreciate the fact that they went [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► through episode by episode and did new [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► HD versions of those special effects [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► that really fit more with like what I [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► imagined Star Trek was trying to do [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► instead of that one shot of the [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► enterprise hanging there with a funny [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► angle and a little phaser beam coming [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► out of it flashing on and off to [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► something where you could actually like [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► see the other ship and it had [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► perspective and it was obviously not a [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► model hanging on a string [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► well I think it's all about the key is [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► they let you have the original still go [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► to your right [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► unlike Georgiana say we get there we got [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► like that that's almost all problems [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► like look we've we've got cleaned up [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► version and we got the original you get [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► to pick which one you want but not [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► giving you a choice at all it's just [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► that's what gets people like yeah it's [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► all about respecting the original source [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► material [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► I mean if you if you were to go into the [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► original Star Trek and then instead of [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► you know doing these 3g or these 3d CGI [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► models trying to put it in with the same [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► like CGI model that you used in the star [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► trek movie that came out last year and [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► then saying oh yes this is in the same [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► universe is this alright you replace the [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► enterprise with the enterprise from the [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► Judaic exactly oh yeah it's all of all [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► my job to murder you know it's yeah [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► right back to vendors that is excellent [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► excellent point well everybody well [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► everybody in everywhere because a broad [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► Mary's day I know you're if you know [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► your continuity you will know that the [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► incursion by Nero in the past change the [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► timeline which obviously altered the [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► design aesthetic of the Federation [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► starships go india naka does that voice [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► better than I do but anyway yeah it was [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► a lovely yes he does he does that pretty [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► doesn't lead it's because sometimes you [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► know he's just taping the comic book guy [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► so just be careful separate is comic [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► book guy that's right but it is it is [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► the amount of bending over backward that [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► Star Trek fans due to explain why the [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► enterprise looks way cooler and modern [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► in JJ Abrams movie is so amusing because [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► it's because it's cooler that's why it [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► looks like that every timeline challenge [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► for didn't work for starters the New [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► Yorkers are was no oh well they didn't [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► reboot it right it's all just about you [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► and Lucas you know what Lucas wants to [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► do with it the whole podcast we have to [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► do about Star Wars but what he wants to [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► do with the the originals is make that [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► is flatten them out so that they're [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► exactly as flat as the prequels so that [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► they're all considered equal and that [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► you'll just view them from one to six [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► and you know and who knows maybe he'll [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► be on the right side of history they're [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► not not he'll be wrong beyond their I [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► don't think he will I mean his movies [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► are you know I I'm not saying I wish for [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► the guy to die because that's what sean [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► because you have already contacted could [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► be declared incompetent happened like we [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► take it away from him somehow to say yes [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► and it's not they get away with it they [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► get away they go back on track because [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► Roddenberry's dead and it's basically [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► controlled by Paramount mainly Paramount [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► Studios people just want to it's [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► controlled by a committee right day and [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► it and people come to say if if we do [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► this and don't put in the original stuff [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► we are going to get screwed right what [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► they did was start right we say we're [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► gonna go find a producer who we trust [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► and we're gonna give it to him and say [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► do with you know do the right thing here [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► and then and JJ Abrams brought on his [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► who doesn't know whose star wars guy and [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► actually doesn't know from Star Trek he [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► brought in his his buddies who are all [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► star trek fans and they said how can we [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► do right by this franchise [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► where's george lucas you know again [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► right identity created likely the [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► original like the remastering the [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► original 100k [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► no the reason that they put in the old [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► but they give you the choice right of [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► the new version the old version is [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► because they knew that people are in [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► prison with some more jerky I don't want [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► to get on that right but George Lucas [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► and I know everyone knowing right so no [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► yeah yeah George Lucas is holding some [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► sort of bizarre misguided principal sees [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► unfinished you know problems and that's [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► all of this line now it's like originals [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► problems right but it turned out of the [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► Spanish because now it's like you know [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► well you don't like my taste therefore [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► i'm taking my taste and shove it down [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► your well I like these this way you [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► don't then now it's like it's stubborn [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► and it's only gonna get worse [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► it's only gonna get worse because they [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► want to say what's gonna happen is [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► they're gonna do 3d the 3d versions [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► which that they're working on now [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► they're going to our mission idea all of [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► this and i eventually mark my word time [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► when your moviestar what's coming after [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► that through cgi versions of star wars [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► with the original characters I'm saying [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► he will die the reitz will go up to [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► somebody and they will reboot Star Wars [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► no no they're gonna keep him alive later [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► style man he's more he's more machine [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► than man now twisted and evil is my [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► husband already reached about that Dan [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► so how about that run as we are you at [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► the Star Wars I could do that if you [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► can't touch Star Wars it unravels like a [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► sweater it's good it must be touched it [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► must even be don't even look at it it [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► must be played with your eyes [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► john and i will have a whole podcast [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► which is yelling there are other words [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► even when we're even when we're agreed [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► that we need to feel we need to find [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► somebody who disagrees with us so we can [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► both shouting them what now what would [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► they would they be what would they be [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► four other than they already are already [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► probably pro prequel I possible way or [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► they would try to argue that Empire is [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► not the best any one of those things [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► my daughter my daughter actually just [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► come on the next one she likes the one [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► without your doctor and she you know [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► presumably existing picturing i'm [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► picturing like us like there's a great [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► scene in the in the simon pegg sitcom [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► spaced where it's like a shop alot of [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► simon pegg and he's yelling and yelling [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► about how bad too like you don't know [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► how good it was you just love this jar [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► jar and all this and it cuts back and [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► it's like a like a seven-year-old boys [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► lip quivering yeah [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► I've got a picture and that's what be [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► like if we argue with her daughter honey [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► sit here and these men are going to yell [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► at you over skype just put the [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► headphones on and hide [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► she just walk away listen to her taylor [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► swift album instead but the you walks [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► they like those Ewoks honestly honestly [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► but pretty sure that's what things maybe [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► that's what the first prequel especially [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► that is a great movie if you're 547 I [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► like this pod racing in episode 1 [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► grateful when you're five or seven [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► kiki's delivery service 547 well we like [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► to rate movie actually is i like that [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► movie is a great movie I'd like to [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► apologize again to the incomparable [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► listeners because once again we've come [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► up with a topic for a future podcast [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► which is miyazaki which we're gonna have [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► to do is kiki's delivery service [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► I love love love that movie that is one [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► of my favorite movies and kids movies [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► and I recommend it to people all the [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► time it's also one of the only movies [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► I've ever seen that that doesn't really [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► have an antagonist at all [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► there's no bad guy in that movie life is [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► the antagonist yes and Phil Hartman is [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► the voice of a cat as deep and that [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► makes that we could talk about dub dub [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► vs subs and yeah I would I would I would [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► have to side with the the subs there [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► sorry i I'm a long time on a fan i'll [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► become hardman voice of the cat I'll [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► being so bad [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► wow there's a whole other podcast to be [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► done there but but for now I think we'll [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► have to to say goodbye or more [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► appropriately and blonde so I'd like to [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► thank my guests serenity cluster control [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► serenity called well thank you Jason did [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► you hear the grid is a I could play the [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► grid speech again no nobody wants to [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► hear that is ok um breathing's parole [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► and more and thank you you're gonna [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► someday you're not going to say thank [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► you and I just gonna do we get off this [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► podcast but thank you until that point [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► and what you're welcome and and John [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► siracusa thanks for being here and [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► fighting the good fight against George [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► Lucas is always yes absolutely [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► the podcast that's right it's like we [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► did to podcast at once it's shocking how [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► this you have to to podcasts amazing [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► alright well I say we didn't do Star [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► Wars at all and we will do it at a later [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► time we was great [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► surface barely Oh up i guess we're gonna [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► have to do a whole series of Star Wars [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► podcast i got a name for it by the way [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► I'm being comparable vs George Lucas all [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► right well it could be a special [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► spin-off oh yes like Judge John Hodgman [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► it'll be sitting in sitting in repose [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► will be judges Dan Morgan and John [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► siracusa and then we'll or perhaps I [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► could be the judge and you guys can be [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► for the prosecution and the defense will [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► have nobody because there's nobody [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► George Lucas you can depend on locust on [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► is available Your Honor the defense is [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► clearly a cgi creek clearly alright well [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► until next time thanks to my guess again [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► thanks to you the listeners for [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► listening to this crazy podcast go out [TS]