The Incomparable

15: My Computer is Powered by Frisbees


00:00:00   the only memory I have of tron is [TS]

00:00:01   getting on the the rtd and taking the [TS]

00:00:04   bus to old town in torrance and playing [TS]

00:00:06   the video game for four hours at a clip [TS]

00:00:09   every Saturday one summer with Larry [TS]

00:00:11   Bacharach and a video game was the video [TS]

00:00:13   game any good when you played it for [TS]

00:00:14   four hours to clip it must have been it [TS]

00:00:17   was not very good I'm you know it was a [TS]

00:00:20   video game [TS]

00:00:21   it did have the cabinet there wrapped [TS]

00:00:23   around you and you didn't get to play it [TS]

00:00:24   was multi game or a unit one thing was [TS]

00:00:27   discs one thing was tanks one thing with [TS]

00:00:28   light cycles and so it seems impressive [TS]

00:00:30   but each individual games was not but we [TS]

00:00:33   played the light cycles and the spiders [TS]

00:00:34   had asked to justify and a knob and you [TS]

00:00:37   could spend an arm around and shoot [TS]

00:00:38   inspired we play that one we played the [TS]

00:00:40   light cycles just incessantly and we'd [TS]

00:00:43   lineup like like four dollars in [TS]

00:00:45   quarters and on across the top of the [TS]

00:00:47   the name you know the little edge they [TS]

00:00:49   have they're putting quarters down to [TS]

00:00:50   claim it and then we go to the mcdonalds [TS]

00:00:53   next door and get a big mac and then go [TS]

00:00:54   wow that's a life man [TS]

00:00:58   only if you have a better one intron [TS]

00:00:59   maybe but stuff [TS]

00:01:11   the incomparable podcast episode 54 [TS]

00:01:15   December 2010blog supplemental yeah [TS]

00:01:24   that's right well no I was gonna say [TS]

00:01:26   greetings programs haha i got a bar and [TS]

00:01:31   welcome to the uncomfortable podcast i'm [TS]

00:01:34   jason l and as you might guess we're [TS]

00:01:37   going to talk about tron a little bit [TS]

00:01:38   although I will fire I promise to fire [TS]

00:01:40   the spoiler horn before we get into any [TS]

00:01:42   particularly spoilery details about the [TS]

00:01:44   new tron movie Tron Legacy joining me [TS]

00:01:46   today on the podcast we have Dan Morgan [TS]

00:01:49   hi Dan [TS]

00:01:50   hey it's been so long been awhile i can [TS]

00:01:53   John siracusa everybody and also [TS]

00:01:56   serenity Caldwell [TS]

00:01:56   hello so tron is back the what 1982 [TS]

00:02:01   Jason Detroit never really leave [TS]

00:02:04   well that's actually one of the [TS]

00:02:05   questions is that it became this cult [TS]

00:02:07   movie and at some point disney turned [TS]

00:02:09   over a rock and said hey that's called [TS]

00:02:11   movie that was a failure when it was [TS]

00:02:13   initially released it has a has a [TS]

00:02:15   following and has some sci-fi elements [TS]

00:02:16   to it we might have a franchise here so [TS]

00:02:19   let's do another movie which is what [TS]

00:02:21   they're doing and and God you know it [TS]

00:02:23   Disney just loves the airport being [TS]

00:02:26   franchise [TS]

00:02:27   yes indeed so I remember have seen tron [TS]

00:02:30   again this state's me I i saw Tron in [TS]

00:02:33   the movie theater with my cousins and [TS]

00:02:35   and I remember it being kind of okay but [TS]

00:02:39   not great and I know that that's heresy [TS]

00:02:40   but i just want recently watched it [TS]

00:02:43   again and my take on it when i watched [TS]

00:02:46   again was that it wasn't as terrible as [TS]

00:02:47   i remembered which I'm is not a big [TS]

00:02:50   endorsement but that's what that's what [TS]

00:02:51   I mind my memory of it was very vague i [TS]

00:02:54   remembered seeing part of it at like the [TS]

00:02:57   after-school program i went to when I [TS]

00:02:58   was a kid like on VHS or something and I [TS]

00:03:01   remember a couple of the scenes like [TS]

00:03:03   vaguely remember them playing like video [TS]

00:03:05   games in the arcade at the beginning and [TS]

00:03:06   then some of the scenes you know in the [TS]

00:03:08   in the computer itself but i did not [TS]

00:03:11   have like a memory of the cohesive whole [TS]

00:03:14   and so I just watched it recently as [TS]

00:03:15   well and you know you know we SAT around [TS]

00:03:18   talking to some friends after that and [TS]

00:03:19   we're sitting there going it's hard kind [TS]

00:03:21   of in some ways it feels like a Disney [TS]

00:03:23   movie in other ways you're like [TS]

00:03:24   how Disney like make this like why it [TS]

00:03:27   seems so weird that their name is on [TS]

00:03:28   this because it's a really strange [TS]

00:03:31   almost verging on the absurdist to time [TS]

00:03:33   but that was the disney that made the [TS]

00:03:35   black hole to write that was what we [TS]

00:03:37   were talking to did you escape to Witch [TS]

00:03:39   Mountain is another one area that's [TS]

00:03:41   right that's a little more time with me [TS]

00:03:42   like but a little creepy little creepy [TS]

00:03:44   right didn't have kids it wouldn't work [TS]

00:03:46   about the original witch mountain here [TS]

00:03:48   not the one that they've released no no [TS]

00:03:50   the kurt russell yeah yeah and the [TS]

00:03:53   flight of the navigator try the [TS]

00:03:54   navigator yeah that's a good example [TS]

00:03:56   that's when Disney had no idea what it [TS]

00:03:58   was doing that they were desperately [TS]

00:03:59   trying to figure out what was going on [TS]

00:04:01   in tron came out of that in Antron was a [TS]

00:04:04   flop at the time but yeah you're right [TS]

00:04:05   like jeff bridges is kind of like a [TS]

00:04:07   hippie and he's cut or not a hippie but [TS]

00:04:09   he's a little bit easy [TS]

00:04:10   he's got groupies like a proto dude he's [TS]

00:04:12   got away with murder hacker to me is [TS]

00:04:14   that he's a hacker but they're like [TS]

00:04:15   girls and it was it's it's a little bit [TS]

00:04:18   weird because it is disney clean in some [TS]

00:04:19   ways and yet another way you like it and [TS]

00:04:23   so don't know the real world stuff is is [TS]

00:04:26   so strange and melodramatic and it's a [TS]

00:04:29   very weird movie it's an extremely [TS]

00:04:31   strange movie and I I you know watching [TS]

00:04:33   it as those for the first time anyways [TS]

00:04:36   it really was kind of hot it was an [TS]

00:04:39   experience you know it was very straight [TS]

00:04:41   you know because in one time at this [TS]

00:04:43   well at the at the same time you're [TS]

00:04:45   kinda like how these the special effects [TS]

00:04:46   are so eighties at the same time it's [TS]

00:04:48   like well I mean not that they're [TS]

00:04:49   they're like crazy impressive at this [TS]

00:04:52   point but there is a certain like well [TS]

00:04:55   there's a consistent sort of feel and [TS]

00:04:57   tone to the movie and the effects are [TS]

00:04:59   interesting for the time you're right [TS]

00:05:01   Maya like me and yeah if you put it in [TS]

00:05:03   context or two they're totally crazy [TS]

00:05:04   only our movie that had anything like [TS]

00:05:06   that with star trek to which was the [TS]

00:05:08   same period of time that had the one [TS]

00:05:10   seen the Genesis thing which was two [TS]

00:05:12   minutes long and introns got all this [TS]

00:05:14   crazy computer animated stuff and it's [TS]

00:05:17   not the most sophisticated but it's [TS]

00:05:19   mind-blowing that they even tried to do [TS]

00:05:21   it justice spider was after that wasn't [TS]

00:05:23   it i think thats dark matter after was [TS]

00:05:25   that was that was upping the ante was [TS]

00:05:26   the same thing that later texture [TS]

00:05:27   mapping it was just shading and flat [TS]

00:05:29   color same thing this tron but they [TS]

00:05:31   figured they can do more than two or [TS]

00:05:32   three scenes so I last starfighter head [TS]

00:05:34   up the ante in terms of the amount [TS]

00:05:36   content and how important it was to the [TS]

00:05:37   movie yeah the same technology that was [TS]

00:05:40   a disney that was involved in last [TS]

00:05:41   starfighter I don't think it was I think [TS]

00:05:44   it was maybe Fox I don't know my other [TS]

00:05:46   movie they need to remake my kids [TS]

00:05:48   watched tron with me two weeks ago when [TS]

00:05:51   we watched it and they liked it but I [TS]

00:05:53   think they liked it worked at exactly [TS]

00:05:55   the level that it was intended to work [TS]

00:05:56   on with kids which is it's a cool video [TS]

00:05:59   game movie right and they're not really [TS]

00:06:02   worried about the nuance of character [TS]

00:06:04   and and dialogue and plot or lack of [TS]

00:06:07   same they're like light cycles are cool [TS]

00:06:10   you know that's on one level on that [TS]

00:06:13   level I think that movie works [TS]

00:06:15   I mean let's be fair light cycles are [TS]

00:06:17   pretty freaking cool oh yeah i think i [TS]

00:06:19   was an odd kid because I i saw this [TS]

00:06:21   thing when I was whatever age I was when [TS]

00:06:23   it came out and I remember mostly I [TS]

00:06:26   don't know much about the plot i [TS]

00:06:28   remember you know that's very seems up [TS]

00:06:29   but the feeling I remember the feeling [TS]

00:06:31   is it's being angry because that's not [TS]

00:06:33   what computers are like at all and it [TS]

00:06:35   was like it was like if you ask my [TS]

00:06:37   parents what computers be like in the [TS]

00:06:38   future they come with us like no you [TS]

00:06:40   don't go inside there's no inside is no [TS]

00:06:42   people it's it's a machine you see the [TS]

00:06:44   silicon chips and transistors and it [TS]

00:06:46   just bothered me that this thing that I [TS]

00:06:48   liked was being co-opted for this movie [TS]

00:06:50   they really had nothing to do with [TS]

00:06:51   computers you want to find a [TS]

00:06:52   metaphorical though right and I just [TS]

00:06:54   felt like I was a kid that was I this [TS]

00:06:57   was before cyber space and cyberspace [TS]

00:06:58   annoys me to this day but about you know [TS]

00:07:01   the idea that we have these great things [TS]

00:07:03   which were legitimately cool their own [TS]

00:07:05   right but instead we had to make up this [TS]

00:07:06   whole other thing with motorcycles and [TS]

00:07:08   little people or whatever when just this [TS]

00:07:09   year concept of microchips and a [TS]

00:07:11   possible consequences of them was much [TS]

00:07:13   more interesting than that in this world [TS]

00:07:15   inside the computer well which is hard [TS]

00:07:16   because of weight yet when you go back [TS]

00:07:18   now and watch it if you do know anything [TS]

00:07:19   about computers like the metaphor [TS]

00:07:21   definitely goes off the rails at a [TS]

00:07:23   couple point where you're just starting [TS]

00:07:24   their going wait wait there [TS]

00:07:27   somebody wants to talk to John digital [TS]

00:07:30   frontier [TS]

00:07:33   drop location information as they went [TS]

00:07:36   through the computer [TS]

00:07:39   what did they look like robots chips [TS]

00:07:42   motorcycles [TS]

00:07:43   yes motorcycle electronic slamming plays [TS]

00:07:47   keep dreaming I thought I'd never see [TS]

00:07:50   because it doesn't exist and the exact [TS]

00:08:02   that's how about some good it does have [TS]

00:08:05   some good music I talk about that that's [TS]

00:08:06   how tron legacy starts that's actually [TS]

00:08:08   from the turon legacy soundtrack that's [TS]

00:08:10   how the movie starts for the tron legacy [TS]

00:08:11   soundtrack having not seen tron legacy [TS]

00:08:13   yet but having your having been a fan of [TS]

00:08:15   daft punk i'm a huge plug for the [TS]

00:08:17   soundtrack because it's pretty awesome [TS]

00:08:19   that is awesome [TS]

00:08:20   it is awesome and i have seen I have [TS]

00:08:22   seen tron legacy [TS]

00:08:23   so which is one of the reasons why I [TS]

00:08:25   called you all here is because I saw a [TS]

00:08:26   movie before it came out but I can't [TS]

00:08:28   remember the last time being alien 3 was [TS]

00:08:30   the last time that happened in boy that [TS]

00:08:32   was not a good movie aliens little [TS]

00:08:34   review little spoiler review alien alien [TS]

00:08:36   3 battle defend david fincher daily and [TS]

00:08:39   three the same way that you will defend [TS]

00:08:41   no ordinary family for example III isn't [TS]

00:08:44   this not saying anything three is a good [TS]

00:08:45   movie because it's not really put this [TS]

00:08:47   is something there was something there [TS]

00:08:49   an alien 3 newts dad sorry about that [TS]

00:08:51   remember a treat the girl you got [TS]

00:08:53   invested in aliens [TS]

00:08:54   well she's getting the first thing sorry [TS]

00:08:55   okay I'm palliative on because Charles [TS]

00:08:57   Gunn is here and there are other monks [TS]

00:08:59   and aliens and a lice head shaving and [TS]

00:09:02   its quality so I so I yet Ron the [TS]

00:09:06   original tron I the parts that i liked [TS]

00:09:10   about it i mean i kind of like Jeff [TS]

00:09:11   Bridges beverages is probably the best [TS]

00:09:14   part of them you know the-the-the well [TS]

00:09:17   that the game scenes are interesting [TS]

00:09:18   with the disc in with the light cycles [TS]

00:09:21   and at the time especially it's kind of [TS]

00:09:22   mind-blowing but but the dialogue and [TS]

00:09:25   applaud i want to say how psyched i am [TS]

00:09:26   that there's a world in which the most [TS]

00:09:28   redeeming skill would be like knowing [TS]

00:09:31   how to play ultimate frisbee [TS]

00:09:33   yes it does i would rule in the truck [TS]

00:09:35   was on saying you would [TS]

00:09:37   there should have been a scene in Tron [TS]

00:09:38   Legacy where Garrett Hedlund is playing [TS]

00:09:40   ultimate frisbee so that when he gets [TS]

00:09:41   into the game you can be like it makes I [TS]

00:09:43   can through this he actually does that [TS]

00:09:45   with the oh sorry motorcycles have [TS]

00:09:47   oilers [TS]

00:09:49   yeah he rides a motorcycle so that's big [TS]

00:09:51   spoiler there but just to let you know [TS]

00:09:53   he rides a motorcycle takes us trailer [TS]

00:09:55   we see that in the trailer [TS]

00:09:56   yeah all right well then he's not a huge [TS]

00:09:59   spoiler but I I could share bigger [TS]

00:10:01   spoilers i just want to fire on this [TS]

00:10:02   little horn i gotta say it also [TS]

00:10:04   throughout just a bit about the you know [TS]

00:10:06   it's fascinating to see them make you [TS]

00:10:08   know create a sequel to a movie [TS]

00:10:10   30 years later right like I mean they [TS]

00:10:12   just did something similar with wall [TS]

00:10:13   street two but like I like the way that [TS]

00:10:15   they so easily could have been a remake [TS]

00:10:16   right but they made it yeah i mean like [TS]

00:10:18   a made-up bruce boxleitner and jeff [TS]

00:10:20   bridges and all the in you're like wow [TS]

00:10:21   what a I mean fascinating I think the [TS]

00:10:24   conversation must have been why do you [TS]

00:10:26   think we could get Jeff Bridges back [TS]

00:10:27   because if we could then we should do [TS]

00:10:28   this is a sequel [TS]

00:10:30   I don't know about you think we could [TS]

00:10:31   get Bruce Boxleitner key is I think so [TS]

00:10:34   so Bruce Boxleitner let me tell you [TS]

00:10:36   original tron by the way has half the [TS]

00:10:38   cast of Babylon 5 minute because Peter [TS]

00:10:40   juristic is also in londo from Babylon 5 [TS]

00:10:42   he's the accounting program that gets [TS]

00:10:43   really a bruce boxleitner is great in [TS]

00:10:47   fact i was watching that watching the [TS]

00:10:48   movie and thinking he's got a real like [TS]

00:10:50   Robert Redford and sneakers vibe going [TS]

00:10:53   on here and I read a review of tron [TS]

00:10:55   legacy today that said he's channeling [TS]

00:10:56   Robert Redford he's great i I actually [TS]

00:10:59   think so i think he's a better actor now [TS]

00:11:00   than it was 30 years ago almost sounds [TS]

00:11:02   like he's really he's really perfect and [TS]

00:11:04   in his part is that you know Alan [TS]

00:11:06   Bradley who's kind of the angry guy on [TS]

00:11:08   the board of income and um I hope you I [TS]

00:11:11   hope people see it and say hey let's get [TS]

00:11:13   Bruce back box liners agent call because [TS]

00:11:15   he is fantastic and i hope to see him [TS]

00:11:17   and other stuff because he really did a [TS]

00:11:19   great job i mean i like to my dad 15 but [TS]

00:11:21   in tron legacy I every time he comes on [TS]

00:11:24   screen like yeah it's bruce boxleitner [TS]

00:11:25   so yes sorry i I've admitted that i like [TS]

00:11:29   bruce boxleitner but you know so they [TS]

00:11:31   got the band back together instead of [TS]

00:11:33   doing the remake which they totally [TS]

00:11:34   could have done that said the first 45 [TS]

00:11:38   minutes of tron legacy is kind of a [TS]

00:11:40   remake it where you you set up the [TS]

00:11:42   premise that it's a sequel and then a [TS]

00:11:45   you know [TS]

00:11:47   I'm gonna keep the spoilers light but I [TS]

00:11:50   want to make it clear that there are [TS]

00:11:51   slight spoilers here you know here's [TS]

00:11:53   spoiler alert sam does go into the tron [TS]

00:11:56   world [TS]

00:11:57   no really I know again it's in the [TS]

00:11:58   trailer and and what happens to him when [TS]

00:12:02   he gets there is essentially what [TS]

00:12:03   happens to Jeff Bridges when he gets [TS]

00:12:05   there intron he he ends up giving you [TS]

00:12:07   found and they think he's a program he [TS]

00:12:10   says he's not a program but they don't [TS]

00:12:11   listen to them and they send him to me [TS]

00:12:13   mad [TS]

00:12:13   yeah and they sent him to the games and [TS]

00:12:15   because why do they do that well because [TS]

00:12:18   the same reason is the original they [TS]

00:12:19   want to show you the light cycles and [TS]

00:12:21   they want to show you the disc game and [TS]

00:12:22   so before the plot really kicks into [TS]

00:12:24   gear you get the same kind of stuff that [TS]

00:12:27   you had in the original tron it you know [TS]

00:12:29   so it's sort of funny because it the [TS]

00:12:31   first little part of it is kind of a [TS]

00:12:33   remake that's cool let's revisit this [TS]

00:12:34   world and show you how we have updated [TS]

00:12:35   it well I mean cuz we gotta make it [TS]

00:12:38   accessible to everybody who didn't see [TS]

00:12:39   tron right and it is you know it i think [TS]

00:12:42   it is pretty straightforward that you [TS]

00:12:45   don't have to i mean if you've seen the [TS]

00:12:46   matrix 2i think you kind of get it and [TS]

00:12:48   that's one of the funny things about i [TS]

00:12:50   was very matrix like my friends at how [TS]

00:12:52   angry he was when the matrix came out [TS]

00:12:53   because it was ripping off Tron and I [TS]

00:12:55   was like now i guess i can see that in [TS]

00:12:57   some ways you automatically yes there's [TS]

00:12:58   a similarity but at the same time vastly [TS]

00:13:01   different movements there's but there's [TS]

00:13:02   bits of the matrix in tron legacy to [TS]

00:13:04   where you can definitely tell that it [TS]

00:13:05   that it's been influenced by it and and [TS]

00:13:07   and jeff bridges you know jeff bridges [TS]

00:13:09   is really good in it if I've got any [TS]

00:13:10   criticisms of tron legacy it's that [TS]

00:13:13   doesn't have a very good sense of humor [TS]

00:13:15   but he's funny in his it in his the fact [TS]

00:13:20   that his character is kinda like the [TS]

00:13:21   dude in the big lebowski he's kind of [TS]

00:13:23   this hippie and he spent most of his [TS]

00:13:25   time you know I think sitting in a lotus [TS]

00:13:27   position and he has to be spurred into [TS]

00:13:29   action and which is funny because when [TS]

00:13:32   we cuz i saw that scene like in a [TS]

00:13:34   trailer where he started sitting in the [TS]

00:13:35   lotus position and there's a cut scene [TS]

00:13:37   from the original tron in which the [TS]

00:13:40   character of tron played by this box [TS]

00:13:42   well is also sitting in a lotus position [TS]

00:13:45   and like it's the same sort of like [TS]

00:13:48   looking out over this Vista cuz there's [TS]

00:13:50   this scene that they cut which is on the [TS]

00:13:52   DVD which is like a love scene which is [TS]

00:13:54   kind of hilarious in that it's very it's [TS]

00:13:57   the only part they ever take off that [TS]

00:13:58   their helmets [TS]

00:13:59   so they have my hair was essentially [TS]

00:14:01   micron and the girl whose name escapes [TS]

00:14:03   yeah Yuri yeah and it's very very weird [TS]

00:14:06   because like they actually take off the [TS]

00:14:08   light helmets that they wear and they've [TS]

00:14:09   got hair and like it its she changes [TS]

00:14:12   into let me slip into something more [TS]

00:14:13   comfortable and what there's this great [TS]

00:14:15   story about like remembers one of the [TS]

00:14:17   producers whatever arguing with the [TS]

00:14:19   director about like like not taking it [TS]

00:14:21   out or something and it's like you have [TS]

00:14:23   to take it out it doesn't make it he [TS]

00:14:24   said to totally bring up the flow the [TS]

00:14:26   movies disney movie too [TS]

00:14:28   what are you doing well that actually [TS]

00:14:29   100 mpa premiums that kissing you rated [TS]

00:14:32   exactly and it's a it's a scene in which [TS]

00:14:35   one another like or don't like using the [TS]

00:14:36   others might be onto something exactly [TS]

00:14:39   like a graphic here [TS]

00:14:41   graphic api's but I have a question for [TS]

00:14:43   Jason because uh having not seen that we [TS]

00:14:45   only seen the trailers my essential of [TS]

00:14:48   my questions from the trailers but first [TS]

00:14:50   all the girls gave me the impression [TS]

00:14:51   that I'm gonna be disappointed i think a [TS]

00:14:53   lot of people have that pressure on the [TS]

00:14:54   trailer but when i look at the trailer [TS]

00:14:57   what I say is i can see what this trail [TS]

00:14:58   is trying to say to me and my question [TS]

00:14:59   is is tron legacy uh Christopher Nolan's [TS]

00:15:05   Batman or tim burton's batman is you [TS]

00:15:07   know asking like what the original tron [TS]

00:15:10   is where is it a like marker span and [TS]

00:15:12   yeah and this looks like a a dark kind [TS]

00:15:14   of remake but there's darken this dark [TS]

00:15:16   you know what I mean like it's kind of [TS]

00:15:17   like a tim burton's batman compared to [TS]

00:15:20   Adam West one thing but then you go one [TS]

00:15:22   step up for christopher nolan i would [TS]

00:15:24   really like this movie I think if they [TS]

00:15:26   went you know if this was the dark [TS]

00:15:28   knight you know [TS]

00:15:28   oh I have a feeling its timber well it [TS]

00:15:31   is a PG movie you know it is it is well [TS]

00:15:34   I wouldn't say it's tim burton because [TS]

00:15:36   I'm first I'm not a big tim burton fan [TS]

00:15:38   although I like the original batman but [TS]

00:15:40   he is so stylized and and i don't mean [TS]

00:15:43   the silence mean in terms of like how it [TS]

00:15:45   compares the original content which was [TS]

00:15:47   kind of more kid dish and then this is [TS]

00:15:49   kind of you know the remake okay so okay [TS]

00:15:51   agile okay about tron legacy whatwhat [TS]

00:15:53   tron legacy is is a modern 3d and 3d is [TS]

00:15:57   good by the way it's not fake 3d and it [TS]

00:16:00   the way they do it is is really [TS]

00:16:01   brilliant it's Wizard of Oz like when [TS]

00:16:03   you start in 2d and then at some point [TS]

00:16:04   it blows into 3d it's really well done [TS]

00:16:07   there's actually a disclaimer at the [TS]

00:16:08   beginning of the movie that says yes put [TS]

00:16:10   on your 3d glasses something will have [TS]

00:16:12   then it won't happen right away just [TS]

00:16:13   keep your 3d glasses on and don't [TS]

00:16:15   complain so it is a modern blockbuster [TS]

00:16:19   it's a holiday or or summer equivalent [TS]

00:16:23   action blockbuster 3d CGI action movie i [TS]

00:16:27   mean it is on the same kind of level as [TS]

00:16:29   the transformer movies except actually I [TS]

00:16:31   enjoyed this movie and i did not enjoy [TS]

00:16:33   the transformer movies at all it is so i [TS]

00:16:36   liked it i thought it was really good it [TS]

00:16:38   is not a dark vision of [TS]

00:16:40   something-or-other there you know it [TS]

00:16:43   never gets too dark there are some of [TS]

00:16:45   the other than the color you're saying [TS]

00:16:47   it automatically doesn't get the right [TS]

00:16:48   right there was a lot of black what's a [TS]

00:16:50   lot of black and a lot of neon right [TS]

00:16:52   which is sort of more like a ban on our [TS]

00:16:53   land of adventure [TS]

00:16:54   it is it is avatar avatar is probably [TS]

00:16:56   the movie its most like other than you [TS]

00:16:58   know [TS]

00:16:58   tron um and you know the plot is [TS]

00:17:02   somewhat nonsensical but but on another [TS]

00:17:05   level I think if you go with if you just [TS]

00:17:07   say well I'm just gonna go with it [TS]

00:17:09   because it's like let's introduce this [TS]

00:17:10   thing [TS]

00:17:10   well that's gonna be relevant because [TS]

00:17:12   why would you have introduced it there's [TS]

00:17:13   some of that but you know generally it [TS]

00:17:16   was really enjoyable and the effects are [TS]

00:17:17   amazing the soundtrack is really good [TS]

00:17:19   and so it's a movie that absolutely you [TS]

00:17:21   can appreciate on the blockbuster action [TS]

00:17:24   movie sense i think you really can [TS]

00:17:26   appreciate it for that and then there is [TS]

00:17:27   another level which is the nostalgia [TS]

00:17:29   level which is like this is the same [TS]

00:17:31   world clearly disney think this is gonna [TS]

00:17:33   be a franchise and actually I was [TS]

00:17:35   talking to somebody afterward who said [TS]

00:17:37   did you understand the ending and I said [TS]

00:17:39   oh yeah it [TS]

00:17:40   the ending is that it's a franchise [TS]

00:17:42   because it you know they're things that [TS]

00:17:44   happened toward the end of the movie [TS]

00:17:45   that you like are they going to resolve [TS]

00:17:47   that [TS]

00:17:47   no that's for the later video games [TS]

00:17:51   spin-offs or movie sequels or something [TS]

00:17:53   so it's got a little bit of kind of [TS]

00:17:55   franchise aspect although not know I [TS]

00:17:57   didn't feel ripped off its not like like [TS]

00:17:59   a book that is split into tune two [TS]

00:18:01   volumes and you get to the end of volume [TS]

00:18:03   one or more like a harry potter movie [TS]

00:18:04   where it's like don't know the rest of [TS]

00:18:06   the movie doesn't come out for six [TS]

00:18:07   months too bad too bad evil wins it's [TS]

00:18:09   not it's not it's not like that anyway I [TS]

00:18:12   found enjoyable there there is issues I [TS]

00:18:14   have with it the kind of a lack of a [TS]

00:18:16   sense of humor the the fake CGI jeff [TS]

00:18:19   bridges young Jeff Bridges is pretty [TS]

00:18:21   good a little encounter uncanny valley [TS]

00:18:23   at first it's [TS]

00:18:24   yeah yeah when I watched him in the [TS]

00:18:26   trailer you choose me like the mother [TS]

00:18:28   but it's pretty good it's the mouth [TS]

00:18:30   doesn't quite match I think there's too [TS]

00:18:31   many like muscles going on there in the [TS]

00:18:33   the lip-sync isn't exactly right but [TS]

00:18:35   i'll tell you as it goes on I you [TS]

00:18:38   actually start to forget that it's there [TS]

00:18:40   and and you have those moments were like [TS]

00:18:42   oh right that's not no that's not real [TS]

00:18:44   so it does get better as it goes along [TS]

00:18:46   but so so John I don't know if that [TS]

00:18:49   answers your question it's it's it's I [TS]

00:18:51   think it does i think that that's it's [TS]

00:18:53   an action movie right it's a cgi cry [TS]

00:18:55   action movie it's not it's not dark in [TS]

00:18:57   the sense of the themes about kind of [TS]

00:18:59   exploring the human soul it it's a real [TS]

00:19:01   kind of service just kind of surface [TS]

00:19:04   level gloss on those kind of feels like [TS]

00:19:06   that makes the movie the thing that [TS]

00:19:08   makes movies dark is not so much the the [TS]

00:19:11   plata or the material but it's more it's [TS]

00:19:12   more like how emotionally wrenching it [TS]

00:19:14   is on top of also being a strange [TS]

00:19:17   fantasy scenario and most movies they're [TS]

00:19:18   like adventure movies are sci-fi/fantasy [TS]

00:19:20   just get by on their premise and a story [TS]

00:19:23   but a movie like you know dark night for [TS]

00:19:26   example right that the characters right [TS]

00:19:27   go through experiences that are there [TS]

00:19:29   are emotionally troubling and that adds [TS]

00:19:32   adds realism to a situation that that's [TS]

00:19:34   unreal and most movies are gonna go the [TS]

00:19:36   extra mile that is this movie does not [TS]

00:19:38   do that in this movie is an action [TS]

00:19:40   vehicle with some kind of interesting [TS]

00:19:42   things going on beneath the surface [TS]

00:19:44   Jeff Bridges has some interesting issues [TS]

00:19:47   because especially since it's him versus [TS]

00:19:48   sort of himself for his own creation the [TS]

00:19:52   same character you know they try to give [TS]

00:19:54   him a lot of a lot of quirks but in [TS]

00:19:56   reality it's your it's actually like the [TS]

00:19:58   kid and transformers well you know there [TS]

00:20:01   is there is a Shia LaBeouf of five a [TS]

00:20:04   little bit to that to that where it's [TS]

00:20:05   like that you know kid on his own who [TS]

00:20:07   ends up in this crazy scenario if [TS]

00:20:09   there's things exploding around him and [TS]

00:20:10   he shows that he's more competent than [TS]

00:20:12   you might have thought and I mean it [TS]

00:20:13   it's got that to it but olivia wilde [TS]

00:20:16   character Cora is very interesting and [TS]

00:20:19   has a little bit of an interesting [TS]

00:20:21   journey although there too I feel like [TS]

00:20:22   there's some some sequel baiting going [TS]

00:20:24   on but yeah it's what impressed me about [TS]

00:20:27   it is that you could easily have made [TS]

00:20:29   her a remake a sequel to tron that was [TS]

00:20:32   totally cheesy and it's not cheesy it's [TS]

00:20:35   it's it looks great [TS]

00:20:37   the 3d [TS]

00:20:38   is fantastic the effects are great the [TS]

00:20:40   soundtrack is great it's loud and [TS]

00:20:43   exciting and you know it is it is that [TS]

00:20:47   mass entertainment and there's there's [TS]

00:20:49   some finir of you know of philosophy [TS]

00:20:51   going on there but it's not too deep [TS]

00:20:53   it's definitely not in fact my biggest [TS]

00:20:55   complaint about tron legacy is that [TS]

00:20:57   gaming video games have come a long way [TS]

00:21:00   since 1982 and yet [TS]

00:21:02   at no point in this movie did they make [TS]

00:21:04   an attempt to throw in sort of a video [TS]

00:21:06   game genre that might be a little more [TS]

00:21:07   modern this is a video game world as [TS]

00:21:09   conceived by Flynn 1982 so you know [TS]

00:21:14   there isn't a 40s shooter or Mario [TS]

00:21:17   that's another way they could have gone [TS]

00:21:18   with this is is not dark but avant-garde [TS]

00:21:20   because if you think about the world [TS]

00:21:22   inside the computer what we could do for [TS]

00:21:23   an animated movie today and I are more [TS]

00:21:25   more abstract more like a confusing it's [TS]

00:21:28   basically more non-mainstream like what [TS]

00:21:30   would it look like inside the computer [TS]

00:21:31   with today's cg it could be ridiculously [TS]

00:21:33   crazy nonsensical you know we do a [TS]

00:21:36   better job doing dream world and like [TS]

00:21:38   that that stupid JLo movie the seller [TS]

00:21:40   whatever where that you're in someone's [TS]

00:21:41   murderers head or what if you notice you [TS]

00:21:44   know Kevin Flynn got insert it was a [TS]

00:21:45   remake what if Kevin Flynn got inserted [TS]

00:21:47   into world of warcraft right or [TS]

00:21:48   something like that a massively [TS]

00:21:49   multiplayer i'm thinking of like more [TS]

00:21:51   like the scene from the end of 2001 were [TS]

00:21:53   like you don't know what's going on but [TS]

00:21:55   it's more like a cortar elsewhere you [TS]

00:21:57   know inside the computer could be in [TS]

00:21:58   comprehensible it's definitely not an [TS]

00:22:00   art piece this is he has as you heard [TS]

00:22:02   from the from the the jeff bridges [TS]

00:22:03   speech the whole idea here is it's a [TS]

00:22:05   metaphor [TS]

00:22:06   the good thing about it is it's a [TS]

00:22:07   metaphor made by people who understand [TS]

00:22:09   how computers work better than they did [TS]

00:22:11   in nineteen eighty-two there's some [TS]

00:22:13   funny I saw with a bunch of of game [TS]

00:22:15   developers and detect journalists and [TS]

00:22:17   there's some funny scenes where where [TS]

00:22:19   there's typing on a unix system that's [TS]

00:22:21   apparently driving some of the stuff [TS]

00:22:23   that's happening and there was a lot of [TS]

00:22:24   laughter there because he's like running [TS]

00:22:26   grab commands and stuff in it and some [TS]

00:22:28   of the metaphors I felt like held [TS]

00:22:31   together a little bit based on more [TS]

00:22:32   based on what we know about computers [TS]

00:22:33   today where is the original tron you [TS]

00:22:35   looking like how is that a program how [TS]

00:22:39   is that anything in a computer it's just [TS]

00:22:41   a movie you know set in a computer that [TS]

00:22:43   has no metaphor and tron legacy I feel [TS]

00:22:45   like there's at least some basic [TS]

00:22:47   computer literacy going on in the [TS]

00:22:49   background that computer literate people [TS]

00:22:50   can go [TS]

00:22:51   oh yeah I see what that is also text [TS]

00:22:54   make a noise when it appears on the [TS]

00:22:55   screen every time a window appears [TS]

00:22:58   before group it's all command line i [TS]

00:23:01   have to say yeah but even in the movies [TS]

00:23:03   like this drives me nuts that whenever [TS]

00:23:04   text appears on a computer screen [TS]

00:23:06   television and movies it makes no idea [TS]

00:23:08   because so there's a television people [TS]

00:23:10   have the television people feel like we [TS]

00:23:12   will we will not be able to handle an [TS]

00:23:14   end it appears like a letter at a time [TS]

00:23:15   albeit very quickly like everyone is [TS]

00:23:17   used to computer by now everyone knows [TS]

00:23:19   that's not how computers work more time [TS]

00:23:21   now to keep doing that media OS it i [TS]

00:23:24   mean about 10 is basically media west [TS]

00:23:26   and i still have to add the sound of a [TS]

00:23:27   there is a funny bit about open source [TS]

00:23:30   software and how income used to be with [TS]

00:23:32   the people man and now they're now [TS]

00:23:34   they're more oracle like and they're [TS]

00:23:35   like selling the OS and and and it gets [TS]

00:23:38   its there's some funny stuff about that [TS]

00:23:40   at the very beginning so I do like that [TS]

00:23:43   because after having seen the original [TS]

00:23:44   tron and seeing how kind of as first [TS]

00:23:47   computer focus is that movie is it is [TS]

00:23:49   kind of computer illiterate on another [TS]

00:23:51   level and and the generation that made [TS]

00:23:54   this movie really gets computers in a [TS]

00:23:56   way that that they didn't that Stephen [TS]

00:23:58   list burger I think didn't get in 1982 [TS]

00:24:00   and so it's different it's better right [TS]

00:24:03   i mean that that part of it is is [TS]

00:24:05   definitely better and I i think that the [TS]

00:24:08   tron fan if that I and apparently there [TS]

00:24:11   are those people out there might be [TS]

00:24:13   upset because this is like you know it's [TS]

00:24:15   like doing Star Trek The Next Generation [TS]

00:24:16   or rebooting star trek or something like [TS]

00:24:18   that where it's it's taking something [TS]

00:24:19   that only belong to you for 25 years and [TS]

00:24:22   now it belongs to everybody except what [TS]

00:24:24   it belongs to them is not what you [TS]

00:24:26   remember because it the world's been [TS]

00:24:27   changed and extended so there's going to [TS]

00:24:29   be some some of those people are gonna [TS]

00:24:30   be upset but it's such a small group and [TS]

00:24:33   i think it's going to create a whole [TS]

00:24:34   generation of of new fans for this I [TS]

00:24:36   actually think this is a viable a viable [TS]

00:24:39   franchise they did a great [TS]

00:24:41   they did a great job with that they [TS]

00:24:43   really did I mean the thing about the [TS]

00:24:44   original tron to and this is something I [TS]

00:24:46   was going to mention earlier is I've [TS]

00:24:47   seen tron a couple of times and most [TS]

00:24:49   recently i think last year but whenever [TS]

00:24:52   I go more than like a couple you know [TS]

00:24:54   months without seeing it all becomes [TS]

00:24:56   very vague and very like you remember [TS]

00:24:58   memory [TS]

00:24:58   like images just like a dream right yes [TS]

00:25:01   and that's because there's a whole [TS]

00:25:03   pieces of it you're like what is this [TS]

00:25:04   one going on but it makes it easier I [TS]

00:25:07   think to transition into you know try on [TS]

00:25:10   the next generation so right right [TS]

00:25:12   because you know you even if you've seen [TS]

00:25:14   it recently what you really know is [TS]

00:25:16   enough that you know there's a world and [TS]

00:25:17   there's there's Jeff Bridges and it's it [TS]

00:25:20   all it all work itself out right and and [TS]

00:25:22   then it's all explained in the opening [TS]

00:25:23   credits so I think that also journey [TS]

00:25:26   which appeared in the original there [TS]

00:25:28   isn't an over the crowd there is a there [TS]

00:25:30   is a journey there is a journey song in [TS]

00:25:33   this movie which is a hilarious there [TS]

00:25:34   are several hilarious callbacks if [TS]

00:25:36   you've recently seen tron or have it [TS]

00:25:38   burned on your brain including journey [TS]

00:25:40   and then then your rhythmic follows that [TS]

00:25:42   the journey is the is the the same band [TS]

00:25:45   that played me in Kevin flynn's arcade [TS]

00:25:47   in the original and there's even a call [TS]

00:25:50   back to the door to income the giant [TS]

00:25:52   door that I was a I would never have [TS]

00:25:55   gotten if I hadn't seen the movie two [TS]

00:25:56   weeks yeah that's how weird little seen [TS]

00:25:58   in the original that's what I got you [TS]

00:25:59   know door they got people because I i of [TS]

00:26:02   course I said you know we're watching it [TS]

00:26:04   mr. open the door and I got that's a big [TS]

00:26:05   story that makes it exact same thing in [TS]

00:26:07   the movie and you're like okay at least [TS]

00:26:08   they got a sense of humor about that [TS]

00:26:10   yeah yeah so you know that's my real why [TS]

00:26:13   do we have our laser directly pointed at [TS]

00:26:14   a chair [TS]

00:26:15   I don't know right now these things that [TS]

00:26:17   because that's the way to get into the [TS]

00:26:18   thing out its ya know eighties movies [TS]

00:26:21   think yeah yeah so yeah so I think tron [TS]

00:26:25   legacy is good and even if you did [TS]

00:26:27   electron i think i think people i think [TS]

00:26:29   people will like oh you know is the most [TS]

00:26:31   fascinating thing to me is that this [TS]

00:26:32   this is you know the christmas season of [TS]

00:26:33   course being one of the other big [TS]

00:26:34   seasons for movies in here the [TS]

00:26:36   blockbusters especially i love the jet [TS]

00:26:38   bridge is going up against himself this [TS]

00:26:40   year because not only do you have to [TS]

00:26:42   jeff bridges in introns but you also [TS]

00:26:44   have the true grit remake with also has [TS]

00:26:46   jeff bridge there's room enough for tron [TS]

00:26:48   and true grit i think is room enough for [TS]

00:26:51   30 sec all Jeff Bridges the the scenes [TS]

00:26:55   where jeff bridges is is against young [TS]

00:26:57   jeff bridges in tron are are really [TS]

00:27:00   they're really cool and I wonder i'm [TS]

00:27:04   sure that there's some featurette out [TS]

00:27:05   there that explains how they did it [TS]

00:27:07   I wonder what weather was combination of [TS]

00:27:08   motion capture or replacement did he act [TS]

00:27:11   as himself in the scene and then they [TS]

00:27:14   replaced him or did they do it in with a [TS]

00:27:16   double and then motion capture or was an [TS]

00:27:18   article and wire to about it and I think [TS]

00:27:20   they use another actor and then they put [TS]

00:27:23   his face on top of the other actor so [TS]

00:27:25   the other actor read his lines [TS]

00:27:27   yeah and the antenna and they put his [TS]

00:27:29   face on top of the other actors easier [TS]

00:27:30   than doing a full CG head it was because [TS]

00:27:33   they had a physical analog to work with [TS]

00:27:35   leather and there are shocked actually [TS]

00:27:36   they play with it they play with the [TS]

00:27:38   audience expectations there are shots [TS]

00:27:39   from behind and where he's behind like [TS]

00:27:41   the frame of the window and you're like [TS]

00:27:43   oh yes you're saving on CGI by having [TS]

00:27:45   their but they're also shots the early [TS]

00:27:47   on the movie where you're behind his [TS]

00:27:48   head and you're like oh yes conveniently [TS]

00:27:50   behind the guy's head so we can see his [TS]

00:27:51   face that then the camera tracks around [TS]

00:27:53   and you see that it's jeff bridges and [TS]

00:27:55   my god see what you did there you played [TS]

00:27:56   with my expectation of that would be [TS]

00:27:58   actually geology has gotten a lot better [TS]

00:28:00   if anybody saw that the social network i [TS]

00:28:02   actually was watching that and there's a [TS]

00:28:04   dirt well two characters for twins in [TS]

00:28:07   that movie and I recognize the actor [TS]

00:28:09   from something else I'd seen I was like [TS]

00:28:10   I wasn't aware that he was a twin get to [TS]

00:28:12   the end of the movie no same guy play [TS]

00:28:13   both do need a majority i did not even i [TS]

00:28:16   did not even i did not even suspected [TS]

00:28:18   that one that was pretty good pull down [TS]

00:28:19   delhi mills in a twenty there yet the [TS]

00:28:21   difference the difference with bridges [TS]

00:28:23   is that they had da gym right i mean [TS]

00:28:24   that was the right that's the end of our [TS]

00:28:26   partners that that's why George Lucas is [TS]

00:28:28   buying up the rights that movie so that [TS]

00:28:29   was proven false thank God [TS]

00:28:31   well I have to say though that this was [TS]

00:28:33   the first movie that I really watched [TS]

00:28:34   and thought oh you know this is getting [TS]

00:28:36   to be viable now where you really call [TS]

00:28:38   that and that were there is a [TS]

00:28:39   fascinating plum sort of premise for a [TS]

00:28:41   movie script that I read many many years [TS]

00:28:44   ago called gemini man' which sort of [TS]

00:28:46   floating around for a long time right [TS]

00:28:47   which was having it was like about a guy [TS]

00:28:50   who starts getting hunted down by [TS]

00:28:51   younger clone of himself essentially and [TS]

00:28:53   they were trying to get like Harrison [TS]

00:28:55   Ford or you know it's Sean Connery or [TS]

00:28:57   someone like that was kind of has those [TS]

00:28:59   distinct like you know older and younger [TS]

00:29:02   parts of their careers because that and [TS]

00:29:05   that and that would be fascinating to a [TS]

00:29:06   certain extent and but you know it's [TS]

00:29:08   just a big thinking younger couldn't you [TS]

00:29:09   just get a young actor and put an [TS]

00:29:11   old-age makeup though I mean it won't be [TS]

00:29:14   the same right it would be the same [TS]

00:29:15   person Harrison for there's not really [TS]

00:29:17   an actor out there that signifies [TS]

00:29:20   everything take a young actor like shia [TS]

00:29:22   labeouf and have the old child both be [TS]

00:29:24   Shia LaBeouf wearing makeup [TS]

00:29:25   that i would recommend because you don't [TS]

00:29:27   have the same grabbing a log yeah [TS]

00:29:29   exactly he hasn't earned it right [TS]

00:29:32   that's for sure I saw asked the the [TS]

00:29:34   Crystal Skull and interestedly I saw [TS]

00:29:37   transformers two easy transformers 2i [TS]

00:29:41   did not it i only saw the guys get out [TS]

00:29:43   on that one [TS]

00:29:44   and now there's nothing they just [TS]

00:29:45   released the trailer for the third 1i [TS]

00:29:47   sorry an announcement trailer some [TS]

00:29:49   people are excited about it and I just [TS]

00:29:50   don't understand it and those movies are [TS]

00:29:52   the perfect embodiment of just like [TS]

00:29:55   sound and fury signifying now that does [TS]

00:29:57   everything is on the screen banks [TS]

00:29:58   together but it's just nothing that's [TS]

00:30:00   why it's it's I brought up transformers [TS]

00:30:02   when I talk about tron legacy costs Ron [TS]

00:30:03   legacy again isn't deep or anything and [TS]

00:30:05   it's not the greatest movie ever made [TS]

00:30:07   but it is it is I could you know I could [TS]

00:30:10   understand the entire thing and had fun [TS]

00:30:13   watching it and and transformers I [TS]

00:30:15   didn't even have fun [TS]

00:30:16   well okay there's the scene with megan [TS]

00:30:18   fox you know and looking at the car [TS]

00:30:21   I enjoyed that seen any other scene in [TS]

00:30:24   that movie I didn't even have fun it was [TS]

00:30:26   like an ordeal to b2b survived as the [TS]

00:30:29   noise and the robots and pieces and what [TS]

00:30:32   are they doing and I can't even tell [TS]

00:30:33   what accumulating two little kids who [TS]

00:30:35   just want the spectacle and need [TS]

00:30:37   absolutely nothing else they need no [TS]

00:30:38   emotional attachment they need no [TS]

00:30:40   following of the plot they just want [TS]

00:30:41   respect to go but once you reached hey [TS]

00:30:42   can I know so much dollars to know some [TS]

00:30:44   adults were like out to ya then these [TS]

00:30:46   were huge huge successes at the box [TS]

00:30:49   office obviously somebody wants that [TS]

00:30:50   what I'm saying is yeah that's wrong [TS]

00:30:51   like to see mine is a cut above that [TS]

00:30:53   it's not going to give you it's not [TS]

00:30:54   gonna give you character depth it's not [TS]

00:30:55   going to give you Batman Begins The Dark [TS]

00:30:57   Knight but it is going to get you [TS]

00:30:59   something that is more than the the [TS]

00:31:02   totally like protein-free calories that [TS]

00:31:05   you get with something like transformers [TS]

00:31:06   so you know KITT gauge your enthusiasm [TS]

00:31:10   accordingly but for people who like [TS]

00:31:11   sci-fi movies geeky geeky people people [TS]

00:31:14   who listen to the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:31:16   for example I think they're gonna like [TS]

00:31:17   tron legacy as long as they can get over [TS]

00:31:19   there [TS]

00:31:20   their love of tron because they've seen [TS]

00:31:21   a million times it's their favorite [TS]

00:31:23   movie if you're out there listening what [TS]

00:31:25   you've turned it off because we said bad [TS]

00:31:26   things about tron so I guess you're not [TS]

00:31:28   even listening [TS]

00:31:28   so no I was kind of disappointed that uh [TS]

00:31:30   that pixar didn't do [TS]

00:31:33   tron because I've always been rooting [TS]

00:31:35   for Pixar to take off the kid gloves so [TS]

00:31:37   to speak and do a photo [TS]

00:31:39   realistic cg movie with people which [TS]

00:31:41   they'll eventually get there right and [TS]

00:31:42   and not a kids movie like a drama so [TS]

00:31:44   tron fits perfectly it's EG it's mostly [TS]

00:31:46   inside a computer you can do it as kind [TS]

00:31:48   of a young adult adult movie PG pg-13 [TS]

00:31:51   but totally cg and isn't Rory I feel [TS]

00:31:54   like would be a lot better if pixar did [TS]

00:31:56   it because the pixar level of stories [TS]

00:31:58   like avatar is like your cliché story [TS]

00:32:00   like bong rip off familia the movies too [TS]

00:32:01   cliche story is done workmanlike it's [TS]

00:32:03   fine [TS]

00:32:04   Pixar is take a you know protocol story [TS]

00:32:07   and heighten it and like bring it up to [TS]

00:32:09   the next level so you could if you gave [TS]

00:32:11   pixar Tron and gave the end told the [TS]

00:32:14   missus gonna be your first PG pg-13 [TS]

00:32:16   photorealistic movie with humans in it [TS]

00:32:19   go to town I feel like they would have [TS]

00:32:21   done much better job than these guys did [TS]

00:32:22   not that I'm saying this is a bad movie [TS]

00:32:24   I feel like a basis of assessment still [TS]

00:32:28   makes me want to see it and i probably [TS]

00:32:29   will see it but I just think about what [TS]

00:32:31   might have been you know well i'm not [TS]

00:32:32   sure that the picture thing works so if [TS]

00:32:34   you if one of the things that is [TS]

00:32:36   interesting about Ron is that you've got [TS]

00:32:37   real people in a computer in a computer [TS]

00:32:41   world that if everybody cgi well it's an [TS]

00:32:44   interesting everything in the computer [TS]

00:32:45   should be of the computer that's what [TS]

00:32:47   they were trying to do with those stupid [TS]

00:32:48   suits with the black lights and [TS]

00:32:49   everything in the original right it's [TS]

00:32:50   supposed to look like you're in the [TS]

00:32:51   computer and the fact that their flesh [TS]

00:32:52   and blood is a demerit in my opinion at [TS]

00:32:55   a mistake photorealistic people like [TS]

00:32:56   it's jeff bridges face is basically a CG [TS]

00:32:58   yeah ask wait I have another actor [TS]

00:33:00   anyway so I'm saying we're not maybe [TS]

00:33:01   you're not there yet but maybe another [TS]

00:33:03   5-10 years when his pics are going to do [TS]

00:33:05   the photorealistic humans in a Drama see [TS]

00:33:08   out of sci-fi drama that's on waiting [TS]

00:33:10   for I'm kind of torn about that because [TS]

00:33:12   honestly I don't know if that really [TS]

00:33:14   adds anything because it kind of feels [TS]

00:33:16   to me like you're basically what what [TS]

00:33:20   are you really accomplishing in that [TS]

00:33:22   point you're spending hundreds of [TS]

00:33:23   millions of dollars on doing something [TS]

00:33:25   where you can basically put a bunch of [TS]

00:33:26   you budgetary cancer it's not a it's not [TS]

00:33:28   a technology stunt it's kind of like [TS]

00:33:30   what are you accomplishing by you know [TS]

00:33:32   making the incredibles on a computer [TS]

00:33:34   while you the things you can do an [TS]

00:33:35   animation that just because a [TS]

00:33:37   photorealistic it means but what I'm [TS]

00:33:39   trying to say is not a cartoonish it [TS]

00:33:41   doesn't mean you can't do things that [TS]

00:33:42   are only possible in animation in fact [TS]

00:33:44   intron you should do things that are [TS]

00:33:45   only possible in animation because you [TS]

00:33:47   should be doing things that are only [TS]

00:33:48   possible in the world of the computer [TS]

00:33:49   turn people inside out you know how them [TS]

00:33:51   grow and shrink do whatever you need to [TS]

00:33:52   do that would be unfeasible with actual [TS]

00:33:54   actors you're gonna get over get over [TS]

00:33:56   the ninr yeah my pics are shallow and [TS]

00:34:00   cry and and pics are showing out there [TS]

00:34:02   you humanize anything they can to my [TS]

00:34:03   eyes that you know monsters that can [TS]

00:34:06   humanize little robots like humanize [TS]

00:34:08   human stuff but jeff bridges is not jeff [TS]

00:34:10   bridges in tron legacy is not there yet [TS]

00:34:13   its closest closer than I've ever seen [TS]

00:34:15   it but it's still not there and until [TS]

00:34:17   you can get over that it once they get [TS]

00:34:18   over that I think you you may see you [TS]

00:34:20   may see that Pixar's philosophy right [TS]

00:34:22   now is that mean they've actually gone I [TS]

00:34:23   think less realistic with their [TS]

00:34:25   characters recently of it but think of [TS]

00:34:27   something like Gollum right that's not [TS]

00:34:28   human but it's it's borderline like he [TS]

00:34:30   worked as a character because you're [TS]

00:34:31   bored again can evaluate how can the [TS]

00:34:33   blue people in Avatar he was thinking he [TS]

00:34:34   was a person that right and advocacy [TS]

00:34:36   ourselves and our get a look at this [TS]

00:34:39   whole thing you look at column now and [TS]

00:34:40   it's really it's really hard to watch to [TS]

00:34:43   be perfectly honest going back and [TS]

00:34:44   revisiting those movies I don't think [TS]

00:34:46   it's a good performance visited the key [TS]

00:34:48   is that it's an act it's an actor [TS]

00:34:49   performing that it's not you know [TS]

00:34:51   there's the line between an actor doing [TS]

00:34:53   a performance and animator making the [TS]

00:34:54   performance like those will start to [TS]

00:34:56   blend depending on the movie will go in [TS]

00:34:57   one direction or another so I'm not my [TS]

00:35:00   kind of corset [TS]

00:35:00   yeah and I don't particularly you know I [TS]

00:35:03   go back and watch a lot of old movies [TS]

00:35:04   and you know I although it sometimes [TS]

00:35:06   during I honestly don't find that is [TS]

00:35:08   noticeable if it fits sort of within the [TS]

00:35:10   frame of the movie so I still think all [TS]

00:35:11   looks pretty good honestly you know at [TS]

00:35:13   least in the frame of that movie [TS]

00:35:15   it doesn't really pull me out of it like [TS]

00:35:17   chances i think I practical performance [TS]

00:35:19   is the important part and i am hearing [TS]

00:35:21   people are those the character even if [TS]

00:35:22   you look awful like yoda does not look [TS]

00:35:24   good but you notice character it still [TS]

00:35:26   works and Empire I well but i will argue [TS]

00:35:28   it you are you a hundred times that he [TS]

00:35:30   looks better than the cgi version oh [TS]

00:35:31   yeah Leslie but their question right [TS]

00:35:33   he's just a little by him as a person as [TS]

00:35:36   a person in the in Empire just because [TS]

00:35:38   of the an American parent is everything [TS]

00:35:40   about the prequels is worse in every [TS]

00:35:43   possible way so that it stands to reason [TS]

00:35:44   that this would be one of those that [TS]

00:35:46   actually kinda like the CG Yoda that's [TS]

00:35:49   one of the only things i do have to pre [TS]

00:35:50   called beyond like always to the CEO to [TS]

00:35:55   beat people up later said not a reason [TS]

00:35:57   to consider the whole point is you [TS]

00:35:59   I mean to people yeah I actually liked [TS]

00:36:02   it better when he in that there's that [TS]

00:36:04   scene where he's walking in [TS]

00:36:05   is it the second movie or maybe it's the [TS]

00:36:07   first movie at the end of the first [TS]

00:36:08   movie where he's walking along in the [TS]

00:36:10   scene with other people and it's just [TS]

00:36:11   him and and you can see him walking [TS]

00:36:13   that's the one where I like who [TS]

00:36:15   yeah you was walking you know don't [TS]

00:36:18   think they look into why is wonderful [TS]

00:36:20   time with John with John this one guy [TS]

00:36:22   was a genius whatever Frank Oz it's on [TS]

00:36:25   casters over my cause is a genius [TS]

00:36:27   yeah we'll get there is just the pics [TS]

00:36:29   are you know pixar it is a challenge for [TS]

00:36:31   all the all the cgi people now that [TS]

00:36:34   they're at the point where they could [TS]

00:36:36   make people that looks like people and [TS]

00:36:39   it would creep people out so they had to [TS]

00:36:40   back off and i'm wondering to John's [TS]

00:36:43   point when we get there where somebody [TS]

00:36:46   says we're going to take a leap and [TS]

00:36:48   we're gonna do something that really [TS]

00:36:49   looks like reality and looks like real [TS]

00:36:53   actors and and not stylized in a way to [TS]

00:36:56   say this is animation and I mean it [TS]

00:36:58   doesn't like that's my trial works [TS]

00:37:00   because it's you don't have to make it [TS]

00:37:02   real real real life because things [TS]

00:37:04   should happen inside the computer that [TS]

00:37:06   are not possible in real life and you [TS]

00:37:07   buy them because of the the context but [TS]

00:37:09   you do have to do it that first leap of [TS]

00:37:11   saying look we're gonna make a whole [TS]

00:37:12   movie cg there'll be nothing real this [TS]

00:37:14   movie we're going to call a toy story [TS]

00:37:15   that's one leap the next week I think of [TS]

00:37:16   someone finally getting the guts to say [TS]

00:37:18   where we want this to look as real as it [TS]

00:37:21   possibly can and maybe the only cheap [TS]

00:37:23   will have is that will do it in a [TS]

00:37:24   context where unreal things can still [TS]

00:37:26   happen [TS]

00:37:27   I mean did you see the final fantasy [TS]

00:37:28   movie yes I did and I was I knew it [TS]

00:37:32   would be awful but i'm saying at least [TS]

00:37:33   someone had the guts to try and [TS]

00:37:35   miserably the only tried the only real [TS]

00:37:37   problem that I see is when you run into [TS]

00:37:40   the squash and stretch problem which is [TS]

00:37:42   that animation fundamentally is built [TS]

00:37:44   upon squash and stretch and if you're [TS]

00:37:46   trying to make photorealistic humans you [TS]

00:37:48   don't really have that power of being [TS]

00:37:51   able to animate their faces and such [TS]

00:37:53   well its software right and one of the [TS]

00:37:55   things that pixar as and I think a lot [TS]

00:37:56   of these companies do is they write [TS]

00:37:58   software that that does muscle simple [TS]

00:38:02   you know muscle synthesis and there are [TS]

00:38:04   you saying that the squash and stretch [TS]

00:38:05   is what makes the animation expressive [TS]

00:38:06   it's like a lot of the animators are [TS]

00:38:08   when you do cgi think you have to move [TS]

00:38:10   more towards the actor's performance [TS]

00:38:11   then [TS]

00:38:12   the animators to the animators want to [TS]

00:38:13   squash and stretch to make right actions [TS]

00:38:16   look-look animation me and they're more [TS]

00:38:17   dramatic interesting right here also you [TS]

00:38:19   can't do that when you have right but [TS]

00:38:21   you can't do that with a rigidbody thing [TS]

00:38:22   like a human is supposed to be real and [TS]

00:38:24   that case you're mostly doing [TS]

00:38:25   performance capture and the animators [TS]

00:38:27   are only there to make sure there's no [TS]

00:38:28   hitches in the performance is why I'm [TS]

00:38:29   kind of hesitant about the whole thing [TS]

00:38:31   where it's just gonna end up with you'll [TS]

00:38:33   end up with a movie that's got again a [TS]

00:38:34   golem type in it which is it's an actual [TS]

00:38:37   actors performance or or avatar actually [TS]

00:38:40   actual active performance with motion [TS]

00:38:41   capture exactly right avatar of the [TS]

00:38:43   performances were guests of they weren't [TS]

00:38:46   they weren't as expressive as Gollum I [TS]

00:38:47   felt like the faces were more or less [TS]

00:38:50   what they were going for realistic one [TS]

00:38:52   in the blue people were drying their [TS]

00:38:54   naughty were designed to I remember [TS]

00:38:56   their name they were designed right [TS]

00:38:58   you're if you're getting if you know the [TS]

00:38:59   limitations of your of your animation [TS]

00:39:01   you're going to design your characters [TS]

00:39:03   to ya to hide the limitations which you [TS]

00:39:05   can't do with the human with a pure [TS]

00:39:07   human but you can do with blue people or [TS]

00:39:09   or or hobbits hospices first whatever [TS]

00:39:14   column is he's not a hobby XX accent [TS]

00:39:16   this is not a hobby is like a river [TS]

00:39:18   River purchase of something be [TS]

00:39:20   interesting to see what the house looks [TS]

00:39:21   like speaking of the hobbit to see how [TS]

00:39:23   far they've come because like 44 Lord of [TS]

00:39:25   the Rings gone is really the only major [TS]

00:39:27   cg only character but they had a lot of [TS]

00:39:29   other characters that like the hobbits [TS]

00:39:31   they put rubber feet on them just [TS]

00:39:32   because it's not feasible to do with CG [TS]

00:39:33   feet for all the things right but at a [TS]

00:39:35   certain point you can do this easy [TS]

00:39:36   things and people don't notice any more [TS]

00:39:38   like in the movies that you don't think [TS]

00:39:39   have any cg cg they have tons of CG and [TS]

00:39:42   there's some places where you don't [TS]

00:39:43   notice right set and that's that [TS]

00:39:44   intentions and background fills and [TS]

00:39:46   stuff are or even just like a man once [TS]

00:39:48   you can do like well the rubber feet [TS]

00:39:49   look kind of not great in some scenes in [TS]

00:39:51   Lord of the Rings if they could replace [TS]

00:39:53   those rubber feet with better-looking cg [TS]

00:39:55   feet and you just would have assumed a [TS]

00:39:57   good-looking rubber feet like that's a [TS]

00:39:58   win I feel like for overall not taking [TS]

00:40:00   you out of the movie [TS]

00:40:01   I don't know is going to pay it is the [TS]

00:40:03   expense you know maybe maybe sometimes [TS]

00:40:05   yes I'm saying eventually becomes easier [TS]

00:40:07   to blend into the background because it [TS]

00:40:08   becomes cheaper to do it in the computer [TS]

00:40:10   and nobody notices literally nobody [TS]

00:40:11   noticed it is a hundred percent as good [TS]

00:40:13   whereas occasionally you notice the [TS]

00:40:14   rubber feet in our occasionally a [TS]

00:40:16   close-up you no good at us and pancake [TS]

00:40:18   makeup and a little line on the edge of [TS]

00:40:19   a wig because you know use shot eight [TS]

00:40:21   million hours of footage and sometimes [TS]

00:40:23   yeah but what it leads [TS]

00:40:24   this charming I mean you look at [TS]

00:40:25   something like back to the future and [TS]

00:40:27   wouldn't back to the future be so much [TS]

00:40:29   more [TS]

00:40:29   not as cute if all the faces were [TS]

00:40:32   digitally aged as always I mean all you [TS]

00:40:34   don't have all the charm it will have [TS]

00:40:36   all the time you want member watching [TS]

00:40:38   holographic movies that we stand in the [TS]

00:40:39   middle of me haha you remember this 2d [TS]

00:40:41   movies where you are in the middle of it [TS]

00:40:42   wasn't a hoax on my side job by this it [TS]

00:40:45   by this argument I think you said you [TS]

00:40:46   know you could say that the special [TS]

00:40:47   editions of star wars were on virtually [TS]

00:40:49   good because they updated with CGI and i [TS]

00:40:52   would argue that they were so awful [TS]

00:40:54   well then everything exactly see I knew [TS]

00:40:56   everything that was but i think that i [TS]

00:40:57   think the issue is that you know there's [TS]

00:40:59   something to the cgi in many cases that [TS]

00:41:02   still feels sterile like it'sit's a [TS]

00:41:04   little balcony and when to use it and [TS]

00:41:06   when not to use it and the answers are [TS]

00:41:08   was when to use it was never know that [TS]

00:41:12   that's not entirely fair they're dead [TS]

00:41:14   there are things that the cgi get you [TS]

00:41:15   used to clean up the optical compositing [TS]

00:41:17   that's it but that's but that's a good [TS]

00:41:19   point that I mean so much of Star Wars [TS]

00:41:21   is Magic was all of the mats and all of [TS]

00:41:24   the miniature no no but it has to be [TS]

00:41:27   internally consistent because if you [TS]

00:41:29   have an entire movie that's made with [TS]

00:41:30   electron you can't put practical effects [TS]

00:41:33   into the middle of tron of what i can [TS]

00:41:35   see G effects into there are practical [TS]

00:41:37   effects and tron legacy though because [TS]

00:41:39   all the suits are done with LED lights [TS]

00:41:41   and they aren't like CGI composited I [TS]

00:41:44   mean like the light box where they build [TS]

00:41:45   a full-size model the light back the guy [TS]

00:41:47   climbed into and they cut the CD light [TS]

00:41:49   bike i really doubt that they did that [TS]

00:41:50   because they do that tend to stand out [TS]

00:41:52   you want a movie to be internally [TS]

00:41:53   consistent and of its time so if you [TS]

00:41:55   have a practical effects movie and you [TS]

00:41:57   throw in something that you know was not [TS]

00:41:58   possible that doesn't fit with the rest [TS]

00:42:00   of the movie at all because you could [TS]

00:42:01   never actually show you know this model [TS]

00:42:03   from this angle between another [TS]

00:42:04   technology it sticks out like a sore [TS]

00:42:06   thumb and add to the fact that all the [TS]

00:42:07   cg star wars was done very early [TS]

00:42:10   relatively speaking in the age of CG and [TS]

00:42:12   just looks horrible horrible right [TS]

00:42:14   that's that's the biggest problem with [TS]

00:42:16   it is now it looks like it looks dated [TS]

00:42:18   because it was done like a mac and and [TS]

00:42:19   the planets [TS]

00:42:20   yes and now I mean some of the stuff I [TS]

00:42:22   think I'd argued and there are there are [TS]

00:42:24   parts of the original of the Death Star [TS]

00:42:27   fight in the original Star Wars special [TS]

00:42:30   edition on New Hope special edition that [TS]

00:42:32   actually don't look too bad especially [TS]

00:42:33   if you go back and look and compare them [TS]

00:42:35   at the models they're clearly [TS]

00:42:36   technically superior [TS]

00:42:38   whether or not they're better using i [TS]

00:42:40   might when I was shouting downpour [TS]

00:42:42   friend who's sitting across from me I my [TS]

00:42:44   point was just you know maybe they're [TS]

00:42:46   nostalgic reasons why you like seeing [TS]

00:42:48   the mat lines on the x-wings as they go [TS]

00:42:50   by but that's not I mean that the that [TS]

00:42:52   I'm wasting my lines i'm just saying you [TS]

00:42:54   can't an entirely new cg x-wing because [TS]

00:42:56   there weren't enough on the screen [TS]

00:42:57   no III don't know whether I mean restart [TS]

00:43:00   Ripper I I feel like that's a that's an [TS]

00:43:02   argument about my where that argument [TS]

00:43:06   wins for me is that George Lucas keeps [TS]

00:43:08   backing don't you know going back over [TS]

00:43:09   his work again and begin the game he's [TS]

00:43:11   altering content that is that is the [TS]

00:43:13   worst sin that he is actually altering [TS]

00:43:14   well I mean because it's a slippery [TS]

00:43:16   slope right it started with let's first [TS]

00:43:17   up the x-wing fighter and it turned into [TS]

00:43:19   you know green shoots her first you know [TS]

00:43:21   and i like that once you start like [TS]

00:43:23   tapping at power so I by dr. it's like [TS]

00:43:26   the dark side of the iBot the the star [TS]

00:43:29   trek HD blu rays are those the ones with [TS]

00:43:34   the renal you actually can watch it with [TS]

00:43:36   the redone special effects are not the [TS]

00:43:38   reason they redid the special effects is [TS]

00:43:39   that they did was our practice HD [TS]

00:43:41   transfer and that the since it was all [TS]

00:43:43   shot on film it looks great and they [TS]

00:43:44   restored the the film and it's amazing [TS]

00:43:47   to see star trek HD because it's better [TS]

00:43:50   than it ever looked because it was only [TS]

00:43:51   broadcast on ntsc in the day but they [TS]

00:43:55   read the special effects partly because [TS]

00:43:57   the special effects they didn't have [TS]

00:43:58   very many they were extremely limited it [TS]

00:44:00   was TV in the sixties to run to a sci-fi [TS]

00:44:03   show with special effects and so they [TS]

00:44:05   tried to be you know and some of them [TS]

00:44:08   working some of them don't but what I [TS]

00:44:09   like about it is they tried to be [TS]

00:44:10   faithful to what they were trying to do [TS]

00:44:12   and what they wanted to do but kinda [TS]

00:44:14   couldn't pull off and some of it was [TS]

00:44:15   about science like they should these [TS]

00:44:17   planets that people were supposedly [TS]

00:44:18   living on with a breathable atmosphere [TS]

00:44:19   and it looked like a gas giant because [TS]

00:44:22   that was the shot they had they made it [TS]

00:44:23   they were able to build a planet with [TS]

00:44:25   terrain and and and use that instead and [TS]

00:44:28   i actually like like that but the reason [TS]

00:44:31   that that I like it is because they were [TS]

00:44:33   very restrained and they give you the [TS]

00:44:35   option to do either one and also because [TS]

00:44:37   i think they wanted to reach another [TS]

00:44:38   audience and and the day really terrible [TS]

00:44:41   terrible effects of of the old star trek [TS]

00:44:44   wall nostalgic to some you know when i [TS]

00:44:47   watch those with my kids I show them [TS]

00:44:49   what the ones with the new effects [TS]

00:44:50   because [TS]

00:44:51   it helps and all and it helps [TS]

00:44:55   it's what they're used to know in a way [TS]

00:44:57   the funny thing is they did fix some [TS]

00:44:59   errors in the start there's a scene [TS]

00:45:00   where I'm mr. Sulu's looking at his [TS]

00:45:03   chronometer and it's winding backward it [TS]

00:45:05   and it's wrong way and it doesn't work [TS]

00:45:07   right and they just they just replaced [TS]

00:45:09   it with an and it doesn't offend me [TS]

00:45:11   because it always defended me that they [TS]

00:45:12   got it wrong and that it was also a [TS]

00:45:14   series of disks that were spinning and [TS]

00:45:16   now it's a readout the tix backward and [TS]

00:45:19   it's way better [TS]

00:45:20   so you know I I understand the purest [TS]

00:45:23   argument and I understand the argument [TS]

00:45:25   that you use the tech to kind of cleanup [TS]

00:45:27   was there at the same time I kind of [TS]

00:45:28   appreciate the fact that they went [TS]

00:45:31   through episode by episode and did new [TS]

00:45:32   HD versions of those special effects [TS]

00:45:35   that really fit more with like what I [TS]

00:45:37   imagined Star Trek was trying to do [TS]

00:45:40   instead of that one shot of the [TS]

00:45:41   enterprise hanging there with a funny [TS]

00:45:42   angle and a little phaser beam coming [TS]

00:45:45   out of it flashing on and off to [TS]

00:45:47   something where you could actually like [TS]

00:45:48   see the other ship and it had [TS]

00:45:50   perspective and it was obviously not a [TS]

00:45:52   model hanging on a string [TS]

00:45:54   well I think it's all about the key is [TS]

00:45:55   they let you have the original still go [TS]

00:45:57   to your right [TS]

00:45:57   unlike Georgiana say we get there we got [TS]

00:45:59   like that that's almost all problems [TS]

00:46:02   like look we've we've got cleaned up [TS]

00:46:03   version and we got the original you get [TS]

00:46:05   to pick which one you want but not [TS]

00:46:06   giving you a choice at all it's just [TS]

00:46:07   that's what gets people like yeah it's [TS]

00:46:08   all about respecting the original source [TS]

00:46:10   material [TS]

00:46:11   I mean if you if you were to go into the [TS]

00:46:13   original Star Trek and then instead of [TS]

00:46:15   you know doing these 3g or these 3d CGI [TS]

00:46:19   models trying to put it in with the same [TS]

00:46:22   like CGI model that you used in the star [TS]

00:46:23   trek movie that came out last year and [TS]

00:46:25   then saying oh yes this is in the same [TS]

00:46:27   universe is this alright you replace the [TS]

00:46:29   enterprise with the enterprise from the [TS]

00:46:30   Judaic exactly oh yeah it's all of all [TS]

00:46:33   my job to murder you know it's yeah [TS]

00:46:38   right back to vendors that is excellent [TS]

00:46:40   excellent point well everybody well [TS]

00:46:42   everybody in everywhere because a broad [TS]

00:46:44   Mary's day I know you're if you know [TS]

00:46:45   your continuity you will know that the [TS]

00:46:47   incursion by Nero in the past change the [TS]

00:46:50   timeline which obviously altered the [TS]

00:46:52   design aesthetic of the Federation [TS]

00:46:54   starships go india naka does that voice [TS]

00:46:58   better than I do but anyway yeah it was [TS]

00:47:00   a lovely yes he does he does that pretty [TS]

00:47:02   doesn't lead it's because sometimes you [TS]

00:47:05   know he's just taping the comic book guy [TS]

00:47:06   so just be careful separate is comic [TS]

00:47:08   book guy that's right but it is it is [TS]

00:47:11   the amount of bending over backward that [TS]

00:47:14   Star Trek fans due to explain why the [TS]

00:47:16   enterprise looks way cooler and modern [TS]

00:47:18   in JJ Abrams movie is so amusing because [TS]

00:47:20   it's because it's cooler that's why it [TS]

00:47:23   looks like that every timeline challenge [TS]

00:47:25   for didn't work for starters the New [TS]

00:47:27   Yorkers are was no oh well they didn't [TS]

00:47:29   reboot it right it's all just about you [TS]

00:47:31   and Lucas you know what Lucas wants to [TS]

00:47:34   do with it the whole podcast we have to [TS]

00:47:36   do about Star Wars but what he wants to [TS]

00:47:37   do with the the originals is make that [TS]

00:47:40   is flatten them out so that they're [TS]

00:47:41   exactly as flat as the prequels so that [TS]

00:47:44   they're all considered equal and that [TS]

00:47:46   you'll just view them from one to six [TS]

00:47:47   and you know and who knows maybe he'll [TS]

00:47:50   be on the right side of history they're [TS]

00:47:52   not not he'll be wrong beyond their I [TS]

00:47:54   don't think he will I mean his movies [TS]

00:47:56   are you know I I'm not saying I wish for [TS]

00:47:58   the guy to die because that's what sean [TS]

00:47:59   because you have already contacted could [TS]

00:48:02   be declared incompetent happened like we [TS]

00:48:04   take it away from him somehow to say yes [TS]

00:48:06   and it's not they get away with it they [TS]

00:48:08   get away they go back on track because [TS]

00:48:09   Roddenberry's dead and it's basically [TS]

00:48:10   controlled by Paramount mainly Paramount [TS]

00:48:13   Studios people just want to it's [TS]

00:48:14   controlled by a committee right day and [TS]

00:48:16   it and people come to say if if we do [TS]

00:48:18   this and don't put in the original stuff [TS]

00:48:20   we are going to get screwed right what [TS]

00:48:22   they did was start right we say we're [TS]

00:48:23   gonna go find a producer who we trust [TS]

00:48:25   and we're gonna give it to him and say [TS]

00:48:27   do with you know do the right thing here [TS]

00:48:28   and then and JJ Abrams brought on his [TS]

00:48:31   who doesn't know whose star wars guy and [TS]

00:48:33   actually doesn't know from Star Trek he [TS]

00:48:35   brought in his his buddies who are all [TS]

00:48:37   star trek fans and they said how can we [TS]

00:48:39   do right by this franchise [TS]

00:48:40   where's george lucas you know again [TS]

00:48:42   right identity created likely the [TS]

00:48:45   original like the remastering the [TS]

00:48:47   original 100k [TS]

00:48:48   no the reason that they put in the old [TS]

00:48:49   but they give you the choice right of [TS]

00:48:51   the new version the old version is [TS]

00:48:52   because they knew that people are in [TS]

00:48:55   prison with some more jerky I don't want [TS]

00:48:57   to get on that right but George Lucas [TS]

00:48:59   and I know everyone knowing right so no [TS]

00:49:01   yeah yeah George Lucas is holding some [TS]

00:49:04   sort of bizarre misguided principal sees [TS]

00:49:07   unfinished you know problems and that's [TS]

00:49:09   all of this line now it's like originals [TS]

00:49:11   problems right but it turned out of the [TS]

00:49:13   Spanish because now it's like you know [TS]

00:49:15   well you don't like my taste therefore [TS]

00:49:17   i'm taking my taste and shove it down [TS]

00:49:18   your well I like these this way you [TS]

00:49:21   don't then now it's like it's stubborn [TS]

00:49:22   and it's only gonna get worse [TS]

00:49:24   it's only gonna get worse because they [TS]

00:49:25   want to say what's gonna happen is [TS]

00:49:26   they're gonna do 3d the 3d versions [TS]

00:49:28   which that they're working on now [TS]

00:49:29   they're going to our mission idea all of [TS]

00:49:31   this and i eventually mark my word time [TS]

00:49:35   when your moviestar what's coming after [TS]

00:49:36   that through cgi versions of star wars [TS]

00:49:41   with the original characters I'm saying [TS]

00:49:42   he will die the reitz will go up to [TS]

00:49:44   somebody and they will reboot Star Wars [TS]

00:49:46   no no they're gonna keep him alive later [TS]

00:49:48   style man he's more he's more machine [TS]

00:49:50   than man now twisted and evil is my [TS]

00:49:54   husband already reached about that Dan [TS]

00:49:56   so how about that run as we are you at [TS]

00:50:00   the Star Wars I could do that if you [TS]

00:50:02   can't touch Star Wars it unravels like a [TS]

00:50:04   sweater it's good it must be touched it [TS]

00:50:07   must even be don't even look at it it [TS]

00:50:09   must be played with your eyes [TS]

00:50:12   john and i will have a whole podcast [TS]

00:50:13   which is yelling there are other words [TS]

00:50:15   even when we're even when we're agreed [TS]

00:50:17   that we need to feel we need to find [TS]

00:50:18   somebody who disagrees with us so we can [TS]

00:50:20   both shouting them what now what would [TS]

00:50:22   they would they be what would they be [TS]

00:50:23   four other than they already are already [TS]

00:50:25   probably pro prequel I possible way or [TS]

00:50:28   they would try to argue that Empire is [TS]

00:50:29   not the best any one of those things [TS]

00:50:31   my daughter my daughter actually just [TS]

00:50:32   come on the next one she likes the one [TS]

00:50:35   without your doctor and she you know [TS]

00:50:37   presumably existing picturing i'm [TS]

00:50:39   picturing like us like there's a great [TS]

00:50:41   scene in the in the simon pegg sitcom [TS]

00:50:44   spaced where it's like a shop alot of [TS]

00:50:46   simon pegg and he's yelling and yelling [TS]

00:50:48   about how bad too like you don't know [TS]

00:50:50   how good it was you just love this jar [TS]

00:50:52   jar and all this and it cuts back and [TS]

00:50:54   it's like a like a seven-year-old boys [TS]

00:50:56   lip quivering yeah [TS]

00:50:57   I've got a picture and that's what be [TS]

00:50:59   like if we argue with her daughter honey [TS]

00:51:00   sit here and these men are going to yell [TS]

00:51:02   at you over skype just put the [TS]

00:51:04   headphones on and hide [TS]

00:51:05   she just walk away listen to her taylor [TS]

00:51:08   swift album instead but the you walks [TS]

00:51:11   they like those Ewoks honestly honestly [TS]

00:51:14   but pretty sure that's what things maybe [TS]

00:51:16   that's what the first prequel especially [TS]

00:51:18   that is a great movie if you're 547 I [TS]

00:51:21   like this pod racing in episode 1 [TS]

00:51:24   grateful when you're five or seven [TS]

00:51:25   kiki's delivery service 547 well we like [TS]

00:51:29   to rate movie actually is i like that [TS]

00:51:31   movie is a great movie I'd like to [TS]

00:51:32   apologize again to the incomparable [TS]

00:51:34   listeners because once again we've come [TS]

00:51:35   up with a topic for a future podcast [TS]

00:51:37   which is miyazaki which we're gonna have [TS]

00:51:39   to do is kiki's delivery service [TS]

00:51:42   I love love love that movie that is one [TS]

00:51:44   of my favorite movies and kids movies [TS]

00:51:47   and I recommend it to people all the [TS]

00:51:48   time it's also one of the only movies [TS]

00:51:50   I've ever seen that that doesn't really [TS]

00:51:53   have an antagonist at all [TS]

00:51:56   there's no bad guy in that movie life is [TS]

00:51:58   the antagonist yes and Phil Hartman is [TS]

00:52:01   the voice of a cat as deep and that [TS]

00:52:03   makes that we could talk about dub dub [TS]

00:52:05   vs subs and yeah I would I would I would [TS]

00:52:07   have to side with the the subs there [TS]

00:52:09   sorry i I'm a long time on a fan i'll [TS]

00:52:12   become hardman voice of the cat I'll [TS]

00:52:15   being so bad [TS]

00:52:16   wow there's a whole other podcast to be [TS]

00:52:18   done there but but for now I think we'll [TS]

00:52:20   have to to say goodbye or more [TS]

00:52:22   appropriately and blonde so I'd like to [TS]

00:52:26   thank my guests serenity cluster control [TS]

00:52:28   serenity called well thank you Jason did [TS]

00:52:32   you hear the grid is a I could play the [TS]

00:52:34   grid speech again no nobody wants to [TS]

00:52:36   hear that is ok um breathing's parole [TS]

00:52:38   and more and thank you you're gonna [TS]

00:52:41   someday you're not going to say thank [TS]

00:52:43   you and I just gonna do we get off this [TS]

00:52:45   podcast but thank you until that point [TS]

00:52:47   and what you're welcome and and John [TS]

00:52:50   siracusa thanks for being here and [TS]

00:52:52   fighting the good fight against George [TS]

00:52:55   Lucas is always yes absolutely [TS]

00:52:57   the podcast that's right it's like we [TS]

00:52:59   did to podcast at once it's shocking how [TS]

00:53:01   this you have to to podcasts amazing [TS]

00:53:03   alright well I say we didn't do Star [TS]

00:53:06   Wars at all and we will do it at a later [TS]

00:53:07   time we was great [TS]

00:53:08   surface barely Oh up i guess we're gonna [TS]

00:53:11   have to do a whole series of Star Wars [TS]

00:53:13   podcast i got a name for it by the way [TS]

00:53:15   I'm being comparable vs George Lucas all [TS]

00:53:18   right well it could be a special [TS]

00:53:20   spin-off oh yes like Judge John Hodgman [TS]

00:53:22   it'll be sitting in sitting in repose [TS]

00:53:24   will be judges Dan Morgan and John [TS]

00:53:27   siracusa and then we'll or perhaps I [TS]

00:53:29   could be the judge and you guys can be [TS]

00:53:31   for the prosecution and the defense will [TS]

00:53:33   have nobody because there's nobody [TS]

00:53:35   George Lucas you can depend on locust on [TS]

00:53:37   is available Your Honor the defense is [TS]

00:53:39   clearly a cgi creek clearly alright well [TS]

00:53:42   until next time thanks to my guess again [TS]

00:53:45   thanks to you the listeners for [TS]

00:53:46   listening to this crazy podcast go out [TS]

00:53:49   and see tron legacy which is out [TS]

00:53:52   well let's see crap when that when is it [TS]

00:53:54   out the 17 number 17 right go out and [TS]

00:53:57   see tron legacy December 17 I give it up [TS]

00:54:00   thumbs up of a sort 3054 6305 palms up [TS]

00:54:05   how many Skyy exactly right my fuzzy got [TS]

00:54:08   see it it's fine your geeky people [TS]

00:54:09   listening to this podcast coast if you [TS]

00:54:11   listen to the end you gotta go see tron [TS]

00:54:13   legacy that's your punishment until next [TS]

00:54:15   time for everybody at the uncomfortable [TS]

00:54:17   thanks for listening [TS]

00:54:18   see you later [TS]

00:54:23   this has been the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:54:28   thank you for is need where the Sun [TS]

00:54:31   agree Italian comfortable dot-com [TS]

00:54:42   and online [TS]