The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the uncomfortable number 299 may 2016 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► uncomfortable this is a special episode [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► where we had despite a popular thought [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► that we like watch every new release and [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► then immediately podcast about it [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► actually only happens maybe once or [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► twice a year [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► this is one of those episodes a bunch of [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► us went and saw captain america colon [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► Civil War recently and because it came [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► out a couple of days ago unless you're [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► in the UK in which case I don't even [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► know if one of our guests gonna even [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► remember what happened because it came [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► out last week so we're going to talk [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► about civil war and let me introduce our [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► guests i'm gonna start with james [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► thompson because he is in Scotland and [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► therefore saw this like more than a week [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► ago and has been lording it over us the [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► whole time [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► hi James well thank you Jason's now I [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► know you know a lot of super people so [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► thanks for thinking of me and you know I [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► knew it was you or tony stank I David [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► jail or is in Indiana and so he aside [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► more or less one with the rest of us did [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► I David hi you guys are awesome [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► uh boise st on is in texas and i believe [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► Texas is still on in the u.s. so I think [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► he saw us all screaming so you saw [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► probably but uh earlier this week is [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► that right yeah i saw press ground I'm [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► sorry Jason I lost track i was talking [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► to your heart and over here [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► mm and what were we talking about she is [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► big with the Utes on anyway [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► Lisa Schmeisser like me in California [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► saw it very recently hi Lisa [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► hi there it's a pleasure to be here and [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► I I'm not sure is the movie come out in [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► canada yet [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► Erica enzyme yeah we saw it on thursday [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► and when you say we do you mean your [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► husband Stephen Japan ski assault with [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► you I let him speak for himself [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► I did see it with the thanks that if we [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► if we didn't have justin trudeau in the [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► and as prime minister now we probably [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► wouldn't have gotten as early as we did [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► now but now that the US Canada relations [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► I said her now [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► yeah now that the war's over taxpayers [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► justin trudeau isn't already a part of [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► the event any war involving Canada is a [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► civil war [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► oh the most civil it ends with one story [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► paper so civil war you know [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► Marvel it we will we do when we get our [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► age of Ultron episode last summer I i [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► think there was a conversation that we [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► had that I keep coming back to which is [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► that these aren't you know these are [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► movies as we think of movies in that [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► they're not stand alone movies they are [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► they are part of this ongoing story line [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► i think this is a movie that is not [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► something that can be deeply appreciated [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► if you either whole lot of levels here [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► that you really need to have seen all [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► the other Marvel movies released many of [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► the other Marvel movies to get it and I [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► i think what's great about that is that [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► if you go in with that level of [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► knowledge sort of like a long-running TV [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► show then you can get a whole lot more [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► out of it so I thought maybe we would [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► start there [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► I you know everybody's thoughts about [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► this this this movie as an installment [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► in a series and and how that you know [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► how that played off of of your over your [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► reaction to it how did your reaction fit [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► in in terms of it being not a standalone [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► movie as an actor would always remind us [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► doesn't stand alone [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► really i think but it is definitely part [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► of the storyline that they've been [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► building for so many movies now that [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► makes so much money it's kind of amusing [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► that the further they into the Marvel [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► vs. the more the movie feel like comics [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► where you have to where you have to have [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► read all the backstory to fully [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► appreciate the cameos over the [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► developments or understand why something [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► so significant especially the Atman [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► sequence for example which I enjoyed [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► greatly don't get me wrong but and it [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► provided some much-needed levity [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► however I feel like if you hadn't seen [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► the ant-man movie book is already in the [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► back of this bad acting like every guy [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► and why is he putting on this suit and [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► again that whole experience kind of [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► reminds me of the experience of reading [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► comments especially when the editors [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► used to have to put notes footnotes you [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► in the FCC issued of this is that I mean [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► why is this black guy wearing a bomber [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► jacket again [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► yeah so you know I i agree with you that [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► as the movies estimate ology gets more [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► complex appreciate you can't really [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► appreciate the standalone movies and I [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► think it's kind of funny that these huge [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► traumatic experiences are becoming more [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► and more like the experience of reading [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► comic books in the nineteen eighties [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► where you have to put in the time in the [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► knowledge just 200 this is why it's a [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► big deal for or expected but you get you [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► know you get some richness out of having [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► it but you do have to have that [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► experience [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► yeah do i schooled outlet in the theater [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► when when are we actually talked about [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► what happened in the movies yes yes this [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► would this is I will say it now i also [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► thank you Lisa for prompting me [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► hey this is the time we're going to fire [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► off the spoiler horn this movies in [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► theaters as we record this go see it and [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► if you are haven't seen it yet don't [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► listen to this yet [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► okay I feel better the spoiler warning [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► has encouraged us to continue because I [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► actually kind of school that level of [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► theater when um when Scott line hits the [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► suit and then goes up to 50 feet [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► yeah and it was kind of exciting to to [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► watch that to talk to watch it go from [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► both small to big that way and you [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► didn't have to watch read the comics to [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► get as excited about that but I still [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► feel like there was a tiny bit of of [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► layer word it did kind of helped me [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► recover from you know the city of [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► directions to the III actually I had the [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► Giant Man Thing spoiled for me like a [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► million people by I know lego set or [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► something or another like that yeah [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► oh sorry like a confirmation from Steve [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► Inskeep yeah he's right i can get for a [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► mix this happened [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► ok i ended up actually kind of [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► forgetting about it and even even [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► knowing and management and the Avengers [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► and all this stuff as well as I do [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► even as Scotland's is saying you know [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► only tried this once and nearly tore me [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► in half and I can only do it for a few [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► minutes i'm still think you want to see [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► allow oh snap oh ok alright the movie [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► had me to that extent that I'd forgotten [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► about some of the stuff that I that I've [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► known you know for like a year and a [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► half yeah say yeah it's it's a it's a [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► great moment I was so one of things that [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► i think is one of the strongest scenes [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► in the movie but i also think it only [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► well I can see it only works because i [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► feel it is so much better because of the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► other movies that we've seen with a [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► specifically with tony stark and Steve [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► Rogers is their conversation at the [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► conference room table fairly early on [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► right where they're where they're [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► initially debating this idea of the [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► psycho via chords and how they're going [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► to regulate super-powered people and [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► it's you know it's not a bad [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► conversation on its face but if you've [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► seen the captain america movie the Iron [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► Man movies in the Avengers movies I feel [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► like that scene is so much more a deep [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► and interesting and I felt like that was [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► the moment where I thought okay I see [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► why this is a different kind of movie [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► storytelling and why they are getting [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► like this is the power of having stacked [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► all these stories together is you can do [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► a scene like that and you know who these [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► guys are it [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► it's the pinnacle it's the pinnacle of a [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► series of Avengers scenes that take [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► place around a conference room today yes [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► and there are many James now I was just [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► going to say I mean this is like the [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► 13th movie i think and and then moving [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► to three movies a year as of 2017 who [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► and it's just gonna get harder and [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► harder i think to keep on top of the [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► list of yeah it's really more like Game [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► of Thrones you said the least Game of [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► Thrones has the decency to kill [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► characters are off and there's just one [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► more on and they did kill off the lowest [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► docks and that's I do i do want these [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► are fun compared the game of thrones [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► well I don't want to make this a game of [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► thrones podcast I've got that later too [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► I'm not what i would say is uh keep [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► let's keep in mind a lot of these actors [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► are their contracts run out after the [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► next to Avengers movies and so I feel [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► like what we are seeing is we need to [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► introduce characters now because these [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► are ones who are going to be around [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► after the first wave of characters leave [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► us because their contracts are up so [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► that does feel a little bit like you've [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► gotta I've gotta introduce these new [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► characters so you can have something [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► left after you know after Robert Downey [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► jr. and chris evans say I'm done goodbye [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► i'm going to count my money and let's [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► introduce cactus look 13 so that we can [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► keep going for that you find cheap to a [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► rookie interior deal [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► yeah I really like the casting for [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► spider-man that like I'm I it was it's [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► the first cinematic spider-man I've seen [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► was like yeah I can possibly believe [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► this is this is a gated this is a kid in [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► New York as opposed to this is a [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► remarkably mature looking at high school [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► it happens to their study resemblance [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► intended or he also sounds like he's [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► from Queens to that's the first time [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► they've done that [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► yea even these American accent sounds a [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► hell of a lot better than a lot of exes [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► tablished grown English actors doing [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► American accents so good for him and one [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► of the things that I really liked here [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► is is you have the consistency of the [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► same screenwriters through all of the [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► captain america movies and so II even [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► more so than just having all of the [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► Marvel movies coalescing here you've got [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► this theme of of cap learning to work [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► with a team through all the movies right [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► in the first one he's got the Howling [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► Commandos and in the first one he yearns [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► to be part of the army [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► it that's his whole thing is he wants to [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► be in the army in the second one now [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► he's he's learned to work with shield [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► and everybody in the in present-day and [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► now in this one you have the team kind [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► of breaking up and and but he still [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► needs people he still needs that team [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► but now it's that warring instinct [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► between his current team and his old [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► team scores Bucky was in the Howling [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► Commandos so it's it's this really nice [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► theme there's a there's a there's a [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► reason this is a captain america movie [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► and not an event yes it's also the logic [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► follow-on to the winter soldier movie [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► and in a way that the Avengers although [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► the event events of the Avengers are she [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► warned in here as far as an example of [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► why they need to regulate you know it [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► it's it's really a fall on from the [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► paranoia of of winter soldier and how [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► how Steve learns that he kinda can't [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► trust the people who have been put in [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► charge and that that is what drives him [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► in this movie and so it even though it [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► does feel like an avengers movie and [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► many many points I i can see why this is [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► a logical third captain america movie [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► and cic are slightly differently because [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► in the first movie it's steve learning [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► to trust himself especially after he's [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► been zapped with the vinery and in arm [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► and the roots for the distress with [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► shield in the winter soldier actually go [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► back to the Avengers when he discovers [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► that he's been lying to their developing [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► the weapons and I saw that the trust [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► issue Steve Rogers works out in winter [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► soldier is who can he trust in the [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► answer is is that he's good [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► is that he's got black widow and he's [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► got from Sam and to his shock [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► there's the question of does he choose [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► to trust Bucky and so yeah he puts his [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► faith in in Bucky at the very end of the [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► movie and in this one [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► the answer is Steve chooses to trust [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► people overall people in human nature / [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► institutions so I saw that is kind of [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► the arc where it's sort of the evolution [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► of whose team chooses to trust and why [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► he chooses to trust them and then they [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► like laying right out for you and that [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► letter to Tony Stark in the final in the [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► final sequence where he's like I don't [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► trust institutions I choose to put my [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► faith in people and the fact that he [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► gives Tony both the letter where he [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► apologizes and explains himself and then [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► give him the phone with you can call me [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► if you need me [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► is him extending an olive branch and I [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► liked how that mirrored Tony's attempt [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► to to explain his side of things and [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► extend the olive branch to Steve in a [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► way that he thought Steve would would [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► want with that historic pen signing like [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► that scene with the two of them earlier [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► return it's like it's an easy can get [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► the words out that it's an olive branch [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► he just shoves the pen over and tries to [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► explain himself [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► I thought that was like the most nuanced [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► seen in their history together [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► yes so yeah yeah so I really like the [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► way it's mirrored and reversed in the [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► end one seems like look I choose to [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► trust people and even though you are [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► somehow and on this weird government [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► prison thing and I'm and all that I [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► trust you to come through and do the [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► right thing in the end and here's my [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► santa fe and that's a trust that that [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► Tony and weirdly enough i'm sorry i [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► sleeping on it sort of parallels that [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► I'm seeing an iron man 2i think it is [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► where Tony's watching old footage of his [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► dad and his dad finally turns the camera [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► and says Tony I'm doing this for you [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► I'm trusting you with my life's work [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► this is what we're doing and once again [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► it's it's somebody who Tony wanted to [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► earn trust and affection from who [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► finally gives it to him like kind of a [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► distance but the point is he gets it [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► I completely agree that the only thing [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► that I'd have to add is I like that in [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► in maintaining Steve's are we get [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► touches like toward the end of Civil War [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► Steve saying I could do this all day [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► going all the way back to the beginning [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► the first movie and and I feel like well [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► too lowly exactly exactly and what we [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► get overall in terms of his arc where we [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► leave him at the end of this movie is [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► for me the fully formed captain america [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► that i know that you know I consider [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► this is this is your this is this is the [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► the the the the final form of Captain [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► America as it were [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► this is this is the captain america that [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► we're going to get from here on as a [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► constant and and I'm totally okay with [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► us not getting a whole ton of you know [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► developing Steve Rogers more and more [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► and more going forward and letting him [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► be a constant that we build other [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► characters around it and I thought the [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► movie was a little tight on the heavy on [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► the Christ imagery at times because you [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► could well it did because that's know [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► that scene where he goes and grabs the [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► helicopter and you get the beauty shot [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► of his arms like tell me that's not [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► crucifixion venturi and [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► then you know he calls people he calls [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► people to him more or less and extend [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► mercy to people who don't deserve it [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► like Wanda and then he's forgiving [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► people over and over again and he's [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► sacrificing himself for Bucky and I was [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► like wow you really like the only other [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► superhero that you that I've seen this [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► much explicit cry symmetry with is for [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► men one and Sharon Carter brings them [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► all of his stuff and sings everything's [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► alright everything's fine musical [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► theater now no musical theater is [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► everything I was just going to me that [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► was in the movie I would I would I would [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► put it to the panel that was in the most [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► so the uh I think I I think talking [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► about Superman is a parallel is [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► interesting we're not gonna talk about [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► Batman vs Superman but i do think that [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► captain america has the same challenges [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► a character that Superman has which is [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► in many ways and and in many search [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► traditional portrayals they are perfect [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► and smiley and everybody loves them and [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► they're all about goodness and evil they [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► treat choose goodness at all times and [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► it's hard i think to draw some [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► interesting distinctions at in a [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► character like that and I i am impressed [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► with how they've handled it with steve [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► rogers in the Marvel movies where he's a [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► much more interesting character than I [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► think I expected him to be when when [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► they made the first captain america [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► movie which i thought would be kind of [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► boring and actually turned out to be [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► pretty good and it's I I you know I [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► credit chris evans and credit to the [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► writers and and the producers of these [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► movies that he's interesting because he [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► is and that's not that's not a given and [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► that's not easy i think captain america [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► actually is probably my the one thing [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► that I didn't like about this movie ever [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► what runs through it and I and this is [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► and i like the first to captain [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► Americans I think they're probably my [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► favorite of all the Avengers movies [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► yeah i agree what i did i just find that [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► you know that the the way that Marvel [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► sort of like you know leaking in [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► real-world events into their marvel [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► universe and and this what this movie [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► said to me is that basically America in [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► the form of Captain America goes it [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► alone because they think they know [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► what's best and the whole time I'm [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► thinking what captain america is [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► actually wrong on this one you know hehe [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► is he's breaking up the team he's [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► causing a lot more damage anything's and [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► at the very end he basically says [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► hey I'm still cool though you know we [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► can all still be friends and everything [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► and it's almost like that's kind of like [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► what America Tizen foreign policy this [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► might be why Canadians need it is [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► Captain America come on he is Captain [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► America you know [TS]

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00:18:49 ◼   ► incomparable let's talk about the the [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► two sides here and there takes on this [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► and I I will also say the real world [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► like this even said the real world [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► bleeding in I think beyond a certain [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► point it's dangerous to get to reel with [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► these movies because I I think I'll what [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► they've done is sort of gotten slightly [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► real with it and if they took it to the [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► full extent it would kind of make no [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► sense because you would really need laws [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► and things and structures to control [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► superheroes and for quite frankly that [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► point you're not watching Marvel Super [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► Heroes anymore you're watching kind of [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► militarized powered people and that's a [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► very different kind of story so that [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► they're doing a light touch on it [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► so what we get is this real split [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► between the idea that the superpower [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► people should sort of do what they want [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► because they know what was was right [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► which I agree with stephen that's a [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► little sinister right because it is [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► essentially saying we know what's best [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► where the most powerful creatures on [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► earth and we're going to be in charge of [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► what we do and then you've got the other [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► side which is which is tony and the [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► government and and the guy from from [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► that movie that the incredible hulk [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► movie that nobody saw grass be a general [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► Ross who is now Secretary Rice saying [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► will trust the people in the government [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► which is also kind of hilarious given [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► that the the last shadowy international [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► consortium that ran superheroes tried to [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► New York City I that but no no totally [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► and then Hydra was inside shield but no [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► no this time for sure we're going to be [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► fine so we should structure that way i [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► don't think the either of them are great [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► choices but it is interesting [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► those are the choices and that it's a [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► switcheroo in that Steve mr. uh I'm [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► representing the the establishment is [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► the rebel here and Tony cuz he's racked [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► by guilt I guess as decided that it's [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► time to for him to grow up and be part [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► of the the system so that what would [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► what did y'all think of the that core [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► the core battle between the registration [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► side and the we're gonna go at our own [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► wayside one of the things I thought was [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► interesting that the [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► lost from the original comics was the [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► whole stuff about giving up your secret [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► identity which was one of the reasons i [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► think captain america was against it for [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► all civil liberties aspect of that and [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► there's the big moment where spider-man [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► you know reveals his identity on [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► national TV and I think once they took [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► that away [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► I was kind of I don't know I was very [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► much on Captain America side for most of [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► the movie and I thought Tony Stark was [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► being an ass for most of the phone pit [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► and and well that's just normal trip [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► yeah yeah but no more so because I mean [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► I I generally have you know i like him [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► in all the other movies and in this [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► movie I didn't really like him and a lot [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► of the decisions he made throughout the [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► movie i was just complaining about [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► so yeah I mean that it was it was an [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► interesting way that they are kind of [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► because people also took different sides [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► in this than they did in the comics [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► because vision and to challenge were on [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► Steve Rogers side and the comic and [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► things like that so i don't know if they [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► just wanted to get it exactly balanced [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► yeah i think they did was six on each [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► side and you know one woman on each side [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► just be careful please [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► I was interesting to see how they broke [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► down who was on which side because it [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► and I was thinking about this yesterday [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► when one because I was trying to puzzle [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► i would have something and I thought [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► well it actually what it comes down to [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► is it's a belief instead it is a belief [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► in chaotic good versus lawful good if [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► that makes sense [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► well it is because if you look at who's [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► on Tony side you have someone like [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► vision who seems to be somebody who's [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► like yeah look we have to uphold the [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► principle of the matter the principal is [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► something that always applies no matter [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► the circumstances and you have Natasha [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► who in Avengers like I have a lot of red [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► in my ledger and you know because these [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► movies none of these movies are are [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► called Black Widow works out her issues [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► we don't get a whole lot of Natasha and [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► her ledger balancing but that was a core [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► part of her character introduced and I [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► figured this was more of her [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► balancing especially since she watched [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► came to chocolate I like right in front [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► of her and you have to challenge was [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► like look any side of the winner [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► soldiers on I'm gonna be exactly the [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► opposite side also you know I come from [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► a company country that has these really [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► strict codes and on the other side you [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► have Hawkeye who is pretty much the [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► definition of conditional morality and [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► you know Scott Lang who was established [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► in his own movie is having a moral code [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► that's pretty situation which is I'm [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► gonna I'm gonna stand up for what i [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► think is right even if it costs me you [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► know and then you have Steve who's all [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► know some principles are worth fighting [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► for even if they go against what society [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► doesn't the time so it comes down to [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► people who are much more comfortable [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► with their own definition of morality [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► versus those for like listen we live in [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► a society societies have rules is well [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► in Black Widow during the run of the [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► movie I thought really like I get that [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► she's got this like I'm a reformed bad [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► guy essentially and so i'm i'm sort of [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► trying to be good so I'm trying to stick [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► with the program but i thought yeah but [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► did you not see that the the winter [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► soldier movie you're totally like hey [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► did you not learn anything from the [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► movie you were in and uh and then [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► there's the moment and then I realized [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► oh well that that's why it's like that [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► is so that she has that moment where she [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► lets them go because she actually is you [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► know she's going along but only so far [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► which is which is interesting that that [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► is something that a lot of the people [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► who are with Tony Stark honest and a [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► black panther fits into this to our kind [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► of not in it for his reasons and are not [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► really is committed to it [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► they're just kind of going along also [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► the reason i love that spider-man is so [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► young is holy crap Tony child soldiers [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► really like that and that's something [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► that should be brought up [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► um and I think it it has come up in the [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► comments from time to time to when you [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► have somebody who's genuinely pretty [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► young but you have to look this way Tony [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► Stark had to make his case by leaning on [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► his best friend by appealing to the [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► black widows whole i would just like the [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► group to stay together [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► does it really matter how they get there [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► because that's the question she asked [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► earlier i'm somebody with like a revenge [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► thing going on somebody who has quit [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► with this is often the clouds because [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► made of gems and hand waving and home [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► and a child whom he addresses and throws [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► technology [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► jet and i'm not saying that his site is [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► wrong because i can actually see a lot [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► of Tony's arguments but i do think it's [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► interesting how his life was recruited [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► as opposed to captain america where you [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► know you never were like well this is [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► dumb and terrible and it's gonna end [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► badly but what the heck we lost he [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► really seemed like it was a cult of [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► personality on his side like they were [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► all just like yep well we'll follow him [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► wherever he goes and and yeah I guess I [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► had a little trouble just I i love the [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► moral dilemma that the movie poses but I [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► didn't quite buy like he said everybody [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► on either side of it was almost like [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► they just rolled dice and was like okay [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► we're gonna put you over here and over [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► there because that's going to make the [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► poster look really good [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► if I had I mean if they had kept the [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► thing and I'd never read the comics so I [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► didn't know about the forcing people to [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► reveal their secret identities [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► I feel like that would have made it so [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► much easier for me to buy in to the the [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► idea that captain america was was more [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► sort of on the right side but I do kind [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► of appreciate that the movie it's it's [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► from his perspective it's got his name [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► in the title but I don't think it came [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► down super strongly on either side of [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► the argument I think there are a lot of [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► people that came out of the movie saying [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► steve is a complete dick and he was [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► wrong about this and and you know i'm [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► not going to say either of those any of [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► those people are wrong i just found his [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► scenes mostly really boring because i [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► did not care about Bucky I didn't care [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► about his friendship with Bucky I wished [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► it had been more like an avengers movie [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► because I just wanted to see people you [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► know clipping and bouncing off of each [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► other [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► I just ended up getting kind of bored [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► with the the moral conceit at the middle [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► of the movie how you feel about Bucky [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► also is going to inform how you feel [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► about Steve's stand here because in the [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► end I i would argue that Steve while [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► principled and he says in that [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► conference room scene with Tony early on [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► he needs its really he's doing it for [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► his friend and he knows that his friend [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► or he feels certain that his friend is [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► wrongfully accused and he knows there's [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► gonna be a rush to judgment and he's [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► probably going to get killed and so on [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► one level he's got principles on another [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► level he's just reacting to this what [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► turns out to be a real set up from from [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► Zemo who has has framed him in order to [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► create this this and we'll get 20 mo [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► there's not a lot to say about him he [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► sort of not many there for any reason [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► but other than to start the ball rolling [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► in to stop the ball rolling at the end [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► so but but i do feel like you know one [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► of these things is that it's really all [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► hanging on Steve's relationship with [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► lucky because you know the ultimately [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► that's why he's doing this is to save [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► him whose roots a person is innocent of [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► this one particular crime and wrongfully [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► accused you can't deny the loads of [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► people who just want to see those two [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► beautiful boys kiss [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► I'm glad you said it so I didn't have to [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► that's the thing about the teams though [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► is that you know when you look at Tony's [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► side it's all these people he's sort of [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► recruited or that you know like with [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► Brody best friends right or with the [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► vision that he kind of had waived into [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► existence [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► yeah the vision comes from a computer [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► program that's programmed to serve Tony [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► Stark right and although we depended now [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► you got it yeah i mean he sort of right [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► but he's so too loose and you know [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► spider-man well it's like you know you [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► guys are awesome you guys are [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► superheroes and and oh you mean is [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► really pursued right he's at shuttle [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► that's what thing on the other side you [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► have people who have come together as a [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► team [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► partly because they're defending [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► themselves they're under attack and they [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► know they're not bad people [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► I mean in this you know Bucky whatever [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► but you know you have scarlet witch who [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► wasn't meaning to do anything I mean she [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► was trying to protect that as many [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► people as possible her thing wasn't that [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► she blew up the building [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► it's that you know the guy she was [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► trying to keep from blowing up all the [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► people on the ground is really who blew [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► up the building right you know and and [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► you know and then you have Scott Lang [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► who isn't guilty of anything here until [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► they start acting but you know again [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► he's he understands he gets it right he [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► understands being persecuted and and so [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► these are these are people coming [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► together to fight for their lives [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► whereas on the other side of Tony's team [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► of people who are there to serve Tony [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► which I thought was servin interesting [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► balance but the thing with Natasha [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► turning is she has a background in [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► espionage she knows things are sometimes [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► more calm [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► located in black and white and she's [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► also been persecuted so when she makes [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► that turn and let's camp and Bucky go [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► that's when she's she sort of jumps to [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► the other side with them she gets it [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► which again I thought was an interesting [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► turn in the comics that Spiderman who [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► goes over to the other side as well [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► marine but I mean that there's a certain [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► irony in the US government being worried [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► about collateral damage from conflicts [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► ok no it's just like be you know she ok [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► so scarlet witch killed 12 people and [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► saved 600 or something [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► I'm you know nobody so well I mean cat [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► points as I you know when he's talking [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► too early in the film but yeah it's like [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► nobody so focusing on the fact that they [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► have saved you know the world multiple [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► times right the needs of the many [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► outweigh the exactly it's because she [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► killed big deal people and I hate to [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► sound cynical but there's so much [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► emphasis put on these are what condoms [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► who were killed and the idea being that [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► you know it's kind of a big deal for [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► comments to go outside their border and [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► so one of the questions that is kind of [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► percolating around is what people be [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► that worked up over it if it were you [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► know just a bunch of you know randos [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► from from Lagos what [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► well and that comes back this is one of [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► the reasons i I've heard criticism and [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► read it that the zeros is kind it is a [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► villain or whatever but I think one of [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► the reasons i really enjoyed him and [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► it's not just because I enjoyed the [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► actor but I like how it draws a really [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► clear line with this is how people [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► become radicalized like they lose [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► everything they lose everything they [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► lose their home and it's in the face of [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► seemingly different world and they take [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► a look at her like how am I going to fix [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► this and I was actually kind of thrilled [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► to be frank that they put a white face [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► to wrap a radicalization here like it's [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► just a white european dude who has [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► decided that ok this bunch of [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► super-powered beings lifted up my [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► country blew it to smithereens killed my [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► entire family [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► how do I solve this problem in his [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► answer and frankly he did succeed his [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► answers i'm just gonna have the Avengers [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► take themselves apart [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► boom and [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► story and to me the the radicalization [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► of the character and then these subtle [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► way by which he managed to get [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► everything that he wanted to get done [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► I think it's a pretty quietly powerful [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► thing which is kind of remarkable movie [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► like this which is the wiser a big and [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► dumb and loud and and I mean that in a [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► good way like you know you have a lot of [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► exploring helicopter and then you and [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► you have super soldiers living in the [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► you know sleeping in tanks inside Barry [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► and all the crazy stuff and then you [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► have a guy who the end of the day is you [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► know I just want to get to the point [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► where the Avengers couldn't work [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► together effectively as a team because [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► they can't go through another country in [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► the air and that happened he want team [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► lisa I i have a problem with the way [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► that that the movie is engineered [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► because i don't i don't buy a lot of the [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► yeah i mean the idea that uh no Scarlet [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► Witch is terrible because those people [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► died when you know [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► yeah but she was trying to save them and [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► oh well people some people died in [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► Segovia it's like yeah sorry that [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► although we save millions of people and [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► and ultimately the world some people did [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► die so I guess we're terrible people for [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► doing that I quite honestly I not that [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► couldn't happen i think realistically [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► but the fact that the characters take on [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► that guilt i thought was kind of [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► ludicrous and and i'm gonna i'm going to [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► single out here because talk about a a [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► very good actress who has made some [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► really interesting appearances in as new [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► characters in genre before especially [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► when she brings your little ships in [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► star trek first contact but the offer [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► Woodard a character here I hated it [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► because she's in one scene and all she [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► does is go shame i lost a child shame [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► which is so essentially what Zemo does [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► to which is I'm really angry because my [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► family died and so I'm going to destroy [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► you and I'm sorry I thought it was [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► stupid because and I like the movie a [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► lot but I thought all of these [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► motivations they're just there to set up [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► the action and I i just didn't buy them [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► i did i do not believe that that [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► hey Tony Stark I know you worked really [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► hard to try and save as many people as [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► possible but guess what you're not [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► perfect [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► somebody died so you're a jerk like no [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► you need to be able to say and maybe [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► they're trying to say that i didn't [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► believe for a minute that Tony Stark [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► like took that as that was the straw [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► that broke the camel's back and he's [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► like oh god you're right i just can't do [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► this any [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► or no he's like no this lady is right we [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► are terrible because some people died [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► when we save the entire world like that [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► and so so I don't blame Tony Stark for [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► that I blame the movie for that because [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► I just don't think that it it it follows [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► from there I i can i can see it is as [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► something that is like throwing gasoline [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► on already burning fire where he's just [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► come off of age of Ultron being [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► theoretically responsible for [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► potentially an extinction-level event [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► for the planet and on top of that his [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► girlfriend broke up with him [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► yeah no not enough talk about Ultron [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► actually and I thought that was that was [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► a stronger argument is I wanted that [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► fiery scene where somebody like Tony [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► says hey what I just said right [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► hey we saved almost everybody and we [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► save the entire world and had somebody [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► thrown back into space and said you [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► created the problem it's your fault that [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► it even happened and nobody said wire [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► they're not people marching in the [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► streets why is nobody marching in the [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► streets and demanding him being brought [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► in front of a war crimes trial that's [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► what I don't get that is one of the the [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► the core flaws of like the last two [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► movies is really ok now the crazy robot [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► who looked at the entire country near is [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► vanquished array and like literally [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► nobody has an okay where did the robot [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► come from [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► yeah and if they had had that marching [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► in the streets if they had had more of [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► the stress of breaking up with pepper if [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► they had all those things working on [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► Tony in in the film not in our [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► headcanons then Tony would've been a [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► little bit more coherent in this and the [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► ending would have been working here and [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► I think that this is a case where it's [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► this movie is trying to walk the line [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► between being a movie on its own and [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► being a movie that's just an installment [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► of the Marvel Cinematic Universe so I [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► think they may be tried to downplay all [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► the references to age of Ultron in hopes [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► that it wouldn't clinical confused [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► people who are coming in just seeing [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► this movie or people like me who had [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► almost entirely forgotten HL truck by [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► the time this movie started well but [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► then shouldn't be the sakova Accords [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► right I feel like that's a mistake here [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► is that you can't have like the whole [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► big giant piece of paper that nobody has [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► known about in advance but apparently [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► has been agreed to by everybody in the [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► UN by the way that would never happen [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► everybody should be aware of it all [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► but have and college the copious you're [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► hanging it right on the last avengers [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► movie and and yet so then why do we even [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► have the scene with scarlet witch like [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► you could have hung it on the scene with [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► the Scarlet Witch I suppose right you [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► were irresponsible but instead they're [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► like in like you said Erika they're [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► walking that they're trying to walk that [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► line but i don't think they do a very [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► good job even though they fell off the [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► line [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► totally it's ridiculous because the [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► Scarlet Witch if you take a look at her [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► in combat she she say it like you [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► planned she saves a ton of people on the [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► ground and logos and she stayed safe [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► sleep Rogers life and she's and she's [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► horrified mostly because i think what [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► tends to get lost here is this is a [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► young woman with fairly severe PTSD who [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► grew up in a war zone his brother has [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► been dead for less than a year in [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► another massive battle and who has been [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► thrown back out onto the field as a [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► warrior herself so you've got somebody [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► who has considerable baggage [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► she saved a teammate's life and saves a [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► ton of people and gets casted as a [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► villain in the media and then the second [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► time we see her in battle she actually [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► interferes between the Clint Black Widow [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► thing because she tells me you're [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► pulling your punches and she saves your [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► teammate there to like I get your it [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► irritated me how how she ended up being [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► the the plotlines punching bag when in [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► fact this is somebody who has his simply [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► done nothing wrong and has tried to [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► change the most she's most interesting [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► character in the whole movie and she [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► gets very little to do and she's the one [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► with the big moral flip and Ultron to [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► when she finally realized what was going [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► on she began working against it and [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► cheetah lady she's a lady we don't want [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► to put her give her too much screen time [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► she's been a Tony for her actions for [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► god knows how long this entire arc and I [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► feel like that I feel like that kind of [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► got lost Terrence that was like oh look [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► a hot topic teenager who waved her hands [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► around when that's absolutely not [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► whoo-hoo-hoo they don't want up to be [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► and part of it is you did have a movie [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► that was over stopped with tons and tons [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► of characters so you could give the same [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► time to everybody and you kind of have [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► to grab these context clues and put them [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► together with previous movies like you [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► know Black Widow and her red ledger and [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► so on and so forth but I feel like [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► scarlet witch was really poor was poorly [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► served by the by the plotting here I [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► think that she was well served in a [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► bunch of scenes in this movie though I I [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► think her scene with vision is really [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► interesting and of course if you read [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► the comics i did lean over to my wife [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► during the movie [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► sit there married in the comics right [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► and vision my vision rocking the sweater [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► awesome I think she I think what does [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► does well in that scene I and also i [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► know this is just a mechanical thing but [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► her powers are actually defined in this [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► movie in all age of Ultron is like what [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► does she do I don't know she waves her [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► hands and things happen and we don't [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► really weird and then this one she's [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► like she moves things around she's very [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► telekinetic maybe there's other stuff [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► too but it's like I get I get how she [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► fights I get how she works she can make [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► a tornado [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► okay great right and i think that's [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► better for her to because it you know [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► she's a she's a plot mechanism in most [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► of age of Ultron and here they are at [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► least setting down a few scenes where [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► you get a sense of who she is and how [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► she sort of figuring out like where she [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► fits and I i did i did appreciate that i [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► think one of the things that movie does [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► fairly well is given how many characters [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► there are two service i think it does a [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► pretty decent job of telling some little [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► stories some of the characters get [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► nothing like Hawkeye gets a couple of [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► lines and that's fine [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► our lines in this one he didn't like the [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► last two movies he's been putting [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► together i was actually kind of like [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► surprised that I saw him at home we saw [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► his whole family in age of Ultron right [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► so it's idiot you know here he doesn't [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► we don't need that of of him but I think [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► that some of the other characters got [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► enough and that's what--that's to me why [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► this movie at more than two hours didn't [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► feel like it like some of the movies [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► that are totally overstuffed with heroes [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► and villains we're like we have five [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► villains now and they all it felt more [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► like I don't know because there were so [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► many characters like that they--it's [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► long because they will take their time [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► to tell a little bit about this [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► character and a little bit about that [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► character and which kinda have to do [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► right because this is again more of like [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► a big TV show the only minimalize the [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► villain I did you know they they could [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► bless your movie I suppose would have [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► liked made a huge villain for these two [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► but i suppose the the main thrust of [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► this whole movie is the conflict between [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► the heroes [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► well i like i like that we actually got [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► got wanted Natasha and Sharon Carter [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► able to to be not variations on the same [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► generic female character which is [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► something that [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► has happened a bit in the Marvel movies [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► with the notable exception being thor [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► the dark world which is the reunion for [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► Salima line movie that of all things as [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► four distinct female characters that [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► have more agency and more to do than [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► they do throughout the entire rest of [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► the series and and i think that i think [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► that that Sharon wanted Tasha not having [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► that maybe as much screen time is as [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► even I would have wanted even though i [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► think they're they're decently serve [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► better served than other overstuffed [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► superhero movies with women in them [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► I I you know I feel like that balance is [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► going to change now that I Perlmutter [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► isn't calling the shots over the movies [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► anymore and we can actually have Kevin [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► 5d saying yeah we definitely want to do [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► a Black Widow movie and not say you know [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► we would love to but and then having to [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► leave an ellipsis on it because you know [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► the guy in charge doesn't want girls [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► toys and doesn't think girl centric [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► movies actually sell I if you like we'll [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► see we'll see the balance move toward [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► actual balance finally and and this is [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► this is kind of the beginning of it is [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► is seeing some equal time given you know [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► i'm i'm i'm assuming that we'll see [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► we'll see some of that come out of and [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► the wasp which I think just added sharon [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► stone to the cast [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► why not is a comparison that your dog [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► was then so does have the the true the [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► true extended Marvel interconnected [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► universe that also includes only you [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► where it may follows tony start all-star [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► flash has a relationship somebody reboot [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► boy says he's doing what what I what I [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► loved about the pacing in this is that [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► it didn't feel like an overstuffed movie [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► to me it felt like when you went to the [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► comic book store and you bought like [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► five or six comics and you sat down and [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► you just binge through all of them it it [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► breaks down into these very nice scenes [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► and set pieces and character moments and [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► it just it felt like i was reading a set [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► of comic books all once in a good way [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► yeah yeah I was just the comic books [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► that I cared the least about where the [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► ones that the movie was titled after and [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► following the good news is if you wait [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► long enough it's like it's like it's [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► like weather [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► wait long enough and you'll just get [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► something else and and in the unity it's [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► like literally if you wait long enough [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► it will come around it's you know not to [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► bring back to Game of Thrones for a [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► second but that is this sort of [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► storytelling right which is we've got [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► seven stories and we're going to tell [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► you a little bit of each and keep [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► rotating among them and they intersect [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► because if there is an overarching story [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► here I'm like Game of Thrones where they [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► almost never intersect right so I I feel [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► like that that's an advantage in a way [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► it's like look at this scene boys you [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► don't worry there's gonna be a scene [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► with you know with black panther coming [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► up and then after that we're gonna we're [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► gonna go to a spider-man and you know [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► it's like all right there's something [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► new coming down the road if the scene [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► boards you if you really don't like the [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► Berlin Airport this is the movie for you [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► it's like life sake i think but yeah [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► whatever its German airports shot in [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► Atlanta apparently confused movie was [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► shot in Atlanta like Germany when I saw [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► this I thought less of the civil war [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► comics because basically they share a [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► name and that's it but there's a series [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► that took place in the late nineties [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► storm watch where the premise was that [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► the United Nations did in fact deploy [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► superhero teams and the problem comes of [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► course when the organization that [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► deploys the team's becomes corrupt and [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► so we've got to cook and will remain [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► with when they went out the saucony [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► accords and you're like yeah you guys [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► will be a team & A panel will decide [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► where to deploy and went to the play [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► would have to play you i was like holy [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► crap this is star much all over again [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► they didn't make the civil war they [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► store watch grant morrison should sue [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► spam it's the UH and that's without the [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► reality thing to which again you know I [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► think yeah try to try to don't look at [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► it too much because the what is the [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► rabbi mean seriously the last captain [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► america told us what happens and the [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► first Avengers movie told us what [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► happens when the group international [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► group is in charge which is they become [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► corrupt and kill everybody [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► so don't know you and nerd and me got [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► distracted by wondering you know exactly [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► because it'd be like America's Got an [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► arms race going on with all their [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► super-powered beings and this movie kind [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► of raises for me but doesn't answer the [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► question [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► so where are all the other metahumans [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► why is the US metahuman go tramping all [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► over the barrel yeah we're not want [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► we're just Putin have some superheroes [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► right well you know we've got so you've [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► got two challahs who is apparently the [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► latest in a long line of people who put [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► on pants suits and protect this [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► reclusive African nation within the MCU [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► itself like one of the things that like [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► the mini bring in the UN and the whole [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► wide world I thought if it's a whole [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► wide world [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► how come it is that the only people who [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► keep making trouble in it are either the [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► adventures for based in the US or any [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► one of a raft of Eastern European [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► villain types who are trying to go up [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► against the Avengers like why have we [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► not seen any action anywhere else in a [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► few what is involved [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► why have we not been subject to a [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► committee where are you sheets you know [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► somebody like Brazil screaming about the [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► superhero ok exactly this kid AT&T is [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► your sense of at least i was i was [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► thinkin like we got something really bad [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► going on in Syria so let's end the [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► Avengers yes we all agree in there and [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► then the Russian person on the Security [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► Council goes no we use our veto here [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► it's like oh sorry can send them when [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► they were gonna win it when they faked [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► us out and made it like they were going [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► to reawaken those five Soviet super [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► soldiers I thought oh my God we're [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► getting the Red Guard and which one of [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► these is gonna turn into a giant bear [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► that was a nice and we're gonna have [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► some major for God's sake I thought that [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► was a nice plot twists and and I guess [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► we should talk about Zemo a little bit [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► we mentioned him a little that his [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► motivation here is revenge because his [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► family was in Segovia and they died and [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► his his goal is not to take over the [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► world bwahahaha or anything like that it [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► is literally just to kind of undercut [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► the superheroes and and make them turn [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► against each other as much as possible [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► and just make life worse for them as [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► much as you can and i really did I you [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► know he's not supposed to be the big [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► villain that the the conflict is between [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► the characters he's just a catalyst more [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► than anything else and a reason to get [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► them on a plane to go where they need to [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► go but i really liked that twist that we [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► are you know we're led down the path of [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► like oh he's this is his game plan he's [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► gonna unearth the old winter soldiers [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► and no no he hates them and think [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► they're dangerous and kill them all [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► I thought that was clever when they have [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► been when they had a flashback of of the [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► five other winter soldiers fighting [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► everyone and I didn't recognize any of [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► the actors [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► they're not gonna be you're not gonna [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► make it to the one that lingered on the [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► one guy and I thought who that guy [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► that's going to be the guy and then it [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► wasn't know their alternate the thing [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► that bothered me was emails plan was so [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► complicated involuted to get all the [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► pieces in the right place to get [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► basically that then they're right at the [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► end to have that fight to get Tony to [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► make a decision to come to Siberia so he [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► could play the video and exactly it was [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► like he had written a whole series of [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► interconnected comic books to lead [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► everybody to well Tony also have a fedex [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► package delivered by Stanley that was [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► probably waiting for him back at his [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► home base with a videotape of the same [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► thing like cover all your bases maybe 40 [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► mo yeah what came by UPS is a couple of [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► days late or or if your intelligence [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► agents on kill squad like this dude was [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► like alright one of the lovers you push [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► on these people [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► yeah and it would not be hard to think [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► okay Tony Stark plutocrat has got PTSD [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► from watching people to get blown up [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► saving him then gets held as a prisoner [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► of war and then has survivor guilt from [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► that and then gets turned to saving the [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► world a few more times it seems like [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► it's pretty obvious that Tony Stark at [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► this point could could honestly you like [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► a couple months off and some pretty [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► intensive therapy you know maybe crafts [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► therapy or clear clearly zeros entire [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► plan although he does end up showing him [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► videotape in Siberia is the most plan is [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► really he did everything he does is to [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► get access to the footage of Tony [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► Stark's that parents being killed by by [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► the winter soldier and so ultimately [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► whether it's there somewhere else like [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► I'm kind of serious like he was going to [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► see that footage at some point and and [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► Zemo knows that that is going to put him [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► at at odds with cap and that's what he [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► wants to do that's ultimately that's it [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► really is like I know that this happened [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► so that's going to be the trigger for [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► toning the way the the brainwashing code [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► book is for Bucky wow that's that's [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► gonna rewire his brain as soon as he [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► sees it [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► yep and I did I like the the divergence [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► the divergence from the traditional [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► Baron Zemo [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► the way that he appeared in the comics [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► because we we actually got something [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► that wasn't effectively you know the red [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► skull in a pink jumpsuit [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► yeah yeah little another superb not [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► interesting supervillain yeah well i [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► don't know i think progressive reinstall [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► super interesting I I did live at the [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► end that that it wasn't you killed my [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► parents [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► it's he killed my mom right that's what [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► it is it's not it's not about Howard [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► it's about his mom [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► yeah that's true too that's that that's [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► true they have everybody thinks feel of [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► a having uh super super young route [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► Robert Downey jr. at the beginning of [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► the movie I dont still weird how [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► increasing you're wrong i thought it was [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► slightly it was better than you know [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► that the sort of tron legacy type people [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► and I thought it was a bit better maybe [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► then the the ant-man stuff but it just I [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► don't know there's something about it i [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► mean it is the uncanny valley thing it [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► is just that was all I liked it but they [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► did have give themselves an outright [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► which is like oh but this is actually [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► just a hologram or something that he's [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► showing on in his head talk i was [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► waiting for the rest of the cast of less [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► than 0 and back to school to come [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► bouncing into it it's not fair by the [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► way using Holograms in your TED talk [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► totally not fair to the other presenters [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► president ted talk it was an MIT talk [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► what I'd be curious about is how [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► somebody who did not actually watch [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► Robert Downey jr. on screen when he was [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► in their twenties like how they regarded [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► this and reflected this because when my [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► fourteen-year-old went bananas for it [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► will see this is the thing is because [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► when I want the whole time I was [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► watching and I was trying to figure out [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► where they're going like I was like did [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► they based the footage off of home for [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► the holidays so they base it off of one [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► of the early nineties movies i was [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► trying to figure out where they were [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► they were they pulled the library of [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► composite images because i remember [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► seeing Robert Downey jr. in theaters at [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► that age and I thought well if I didn't [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► know any of this if I if I were 20 years [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► younger with this it differently on my [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► eyes like it's only weird to me because [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► I remember him as a younger person you [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► know and i think that's a question that [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► probably asking a lot next year and one [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► thing that was interesting is comparing [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► this to aunt and last year with a man [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► now you know Michael Douglas acting for [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► years and all that [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► when when young Michael Douglas walked [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► in almost the entire room gasps yeah oh [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► yeah and and with this [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► not much of a reaction and it was it was [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► still you know full of adults so it's [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► not like it was just kids it wasn't you [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► know but it was just sort of like of [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► course Tony Stark would have young Tony [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► Stark yeah sure [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► so so when it with his TED talk thing [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► will not talk [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► he's he's got this like what was it [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► so he had these glasses which seemed to [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► be reading his mind to project has seen [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► on to a pre existing template of like [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► mapped piano and various other things on [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► the set and he said and it's a device [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► for hijacking the hippocampus to clear [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► traumatic memories and I thought all [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► he's built this you know [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► hundred-million-dollar device for our [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► that will help with traumatic memories [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► that we perfect for Bucky later this all [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► definitely hundred percent come on and [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► then they just didn't mention it at all [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► and it wasn't clear what it was whether [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► he was just like he just wanted to see [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► what this scene and make a fake version [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► in the holiday so that you don't you [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► know it was check archives dead parents [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► space wrong yeah i mean it was I thought [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► it was clear that the winter soldier had [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► killed his parents from like the first [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► or second scene i agree [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► ok I wasn't a huge surprise on that on [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► that topic winded captain america find [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► out about this because he knows exactly [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► Tony can transfer about it he said he [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► didn't know he knew that I think he was [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► implying that he knew that his parents [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► had been killed and it wasn't an [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► accident and hydros responsible but he [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► didn't know it was Bucky at that point [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► until he found out and yeah you probably [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► didn't want to tell Tony because you [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► don't want to find out who your parents [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► were murdered by Hydra can we talk about [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► the new characters are I want to talk [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► about spider-man but why don't we start [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► with a black panther when people think [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► of of the Black Panther who we we see [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► for the first time here and he sees [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► getting a movie but chadwick boseman as [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► to Charlie the king of Wakanda one of my [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► one of my favorite comic series that got [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► me back into comics in high school was [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► the Black Panther run written by [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► Christopher priest a priest a Cajun [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► Owsley [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► and the the feel of of two challenges [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► Chaka and the whole Black Panther [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► portion of the Marvel Universe feels [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► like it is very brilliantly taken [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► directly from from from from that is [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► inspiration down to everyday Ross's a [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► little bit different [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► maybe a little bit different but but the [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► child himself [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► it just it showed up on the screen right [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► off the page using the best materials [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► available [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► I couldn't be more happy that i liked it [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► I liked everything about that the only [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► thing that bothered me slightly was the [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► like that the little musical sting that [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► they used the kind of let me to pan [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► flute noise like yeah we get it he's [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► like the way he's from Africa [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► yes African we were just like a point [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► this out with the music in case you [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► haven't picked up on the the sort of [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► mystical African nature of it was being [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► pushed a bit hard but i'm not going over [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► the comics I don't know how whether they [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► were just pulling that straight from the [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► page but it was just that one musical [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► note really was the entire thing that [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► bothered me [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► yeah i also have not read any of the [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► comics but now i am very interested in [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► this character so how how it you know [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► however faithful they were our warranty [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► i thought it really worked on the screen [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► I thought Bozeman's performance was was [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► fantastic and yeah I'm interested in [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► seeing where this character goes [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► David you said like make the movie now [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► right insights on it's not for two years [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► i think that the Black Panther movie [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► comes out [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► nope and I wanted this weekend I'm ready [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► yeah I thought he was great I thought I [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► thought chadwick boseman performance is [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► fantastic i love that we see him first [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► you know we first we see him as the [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► prince in relation to his father [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► we-we-we see that he is a you know he's [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► a formidable person and then we're like [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► oh and he has a cat costume with the [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► vibranium claws and he runs around it's [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► like I like that sequence of of like [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► getting to know who he was and as a [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► longtime comic reader i'm familiar with [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► the character but i also really enjoyed [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► my family especially my think my son [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► probably knew but but my wife and my [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► daughter didn't know and they were like [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► he's awesome who is that what is that [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► who is that guy right and and and i [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► think a lot of audience members are like [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► Erica to where it's like I don't know [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► anything about this guy but he seems [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► really great right i mean like you can [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► see him being having his own movie it [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► doesn't it's not one of those to try a [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► little harder it's like no I want to see [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► that movie with that guy [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► yeah well there's no box checking about [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► a 2 you've got you've got him as a [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► different presence as a black superhero [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► in addition to falcon in addition to war [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► machine and it doesn't feel like like [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► affirmative action move [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► I you know something that I i see in [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► movies where they're like by the way [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► let's hang a lantern on this and let's [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► be proud of how progressive we are this [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► is a character that deserves to be in [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► the movie because he's a character that [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► deserves to be in the movie [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► yeah I like that there were three black [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► superheroes in the lineup yep yep i also [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► want to see an entire movie about about [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► to challenge that I don't know if she [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► was his security person already got I [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► thought it was exactly like home and [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► just amazing that the one susong of of [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► Black Panther nerding out that I'll do [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► here is that woman is part of a group of [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► our honor guards called the door in [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► lingerie the adored ones that she [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► ritualistically shave their heads and [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► are are are exactly the type of people [TS]