The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast episode 30 [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► November 2010 [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► we are back on the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► easy for me to say i am jason Snell and [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► joining me today in the podcast echo [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► chamber are three of our regular [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► contributors to my left I don't even [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► know what that means is Glenn [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► fleischmann hello hello to my right is [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► Dan more'n I Jason and across the table [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► for me keeping a safe distance is [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► serenity Caldwell [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► hi Jason hello thanks for coming [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► everyone to this stuffed with turkey I [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► suppose we are now me happy thanksgiving [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► dinner delicious how's your state tasty [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► which is our clever media savvy way of [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► pointing out we're recording this before [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► thanksgiving anyway [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► cranberry sauce that's good stuff we are [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► talking today in the ne wake of the [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► release of the seventh harry potter [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► movie we are using that as an excuse to [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► talk about all things Harry Potter the [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► young the young wizard with the with the [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► Lightning shaped scar on his forehead i [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► should also point out that's the seventh [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► movie but it's not the last movie [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► because they decided to take the seventh [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► book and split into two parts and [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► there's a really technical reason why [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► they did that that you may not be [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► familiar with which is to make more [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► money I i heard a good somebody [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► commented the other day like boy I bet [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► Warner Brothers is smacking itself now [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► for not having you know decided to do [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► this with all of the books [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► oh yes except I gotta say the reviews [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► have not been as kind as they've been to [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► some of the other harry potter movies [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► and i think i'd be like everybody mix [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► things but I don't know that but then [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► why is there crying all the way to the [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► back it's so sad [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► well always understands on a break [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► box-office records [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► well I I somebody said that that they [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► thought in the end of that at least [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► artistically they should have done the [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► Lord of the Rings thing and just [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► released it as a three you know [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► three-and-a-half-hour movie but of [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► course they wouldn't make as much money [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► as by splitting into at this point [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► you're so invested I we were driving [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► past the movie theater here that's [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► showing it my wife said hey you know my [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► parents are here for the holiday lets we [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► can go see it and I said oh you know [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► it's sort of you know mixed reviews and [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► all that and she says what you're not [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► going to see it you've seen the first [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► six like I think this is [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► it is only one and you're going to see [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► the last one so how could you skip one [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► so you've got to go to the one where [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► they go camping [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► it's interesting it's interesting to [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► compare this floor of the Rings because [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► the you know the original movies a [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► computer Jackson kept trying to squeeze [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► into something that was actually [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► releasable in theaters now down to one [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► under three-and-a-half workers do [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► something for each part my camera with [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► the longest one was then the director's [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► cut came out you're like oh you know a [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► lot of subtle beautiful scenes were cut [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► in the theater and I think you watch I [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► spent at some point a couple years ago I [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► watched all of the director's cuts of [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► lord of the rings and what is it well [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► over 10 hours 11 hours and and we did [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► every every holiday season in december [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► we will go my wife and I will watch over [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► six consecutive nights we will watch [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► those each disc of the six disc set and [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► it's great it's much and you feel like [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► it's it's less of a choppy tail it's [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► more complete old and so there are some [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► arguments to say for a book as [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► unnecessarily long as harry potter 70 [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► interruptions I'm split into two parts [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► to tell the story well in the theaters [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► and then we'll add another hour for the [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► caps to the DVD this will be a seven [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► hour extravaganza goes to watch 7 when [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► it's out the directors that yeah so it [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► isn't it is a huge book and so they [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► decided to break it into two and and the [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► you know the the criticism i hear about [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► the movie before we backtrack and talk [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► about the books it is that uh you know [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► it's just it is a setup of of part two [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► but then again I thought that way about [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► the sixth movie to be honest the six [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► movie felt to me like episode 6 of an [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► eight-episode TV series or season not [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► like a self-contained movie I felt like [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► it was unlike many of the earlier movies [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► I felt like even with the sixth [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► installment we we are really you know [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► giving up on any pretense of this being [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► anything but an installment well i would [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► argue very much that both the six movie [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► and this this first part of the seventh [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► movie are much more character studies [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► than actual plots with beginning middle [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► and end it's just like all right you [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► know these characters now let's spend [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► some time learning more of their quirks [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► perhaps rather than you actually wanted [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► to know well I mean and that goes back [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► to it being feeling that TV feel of like [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► you know what you're really doing is [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► spending some time with characters which [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► is what T [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► he does better than movies in general is [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► that you get to spend a lot of time with [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► them and and this is a unique experience [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► where you've got over a fairly [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► compressed period of time eight movies [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► with the same characters you don't even [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► in traditional movie series like the [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► star trek for things like that it's it's [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► takes up way more time to go through it [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► and an email david because their kids [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► young actors they've had to compress it [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► right i mean Star Trek's you know one [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► through six went from like the late [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► seventies to through the early 90s for [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► six movies and so they've done i [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► remember when the first harry potter [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► came out and going to see it and it was [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► just wow how are they gonna you know do [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► this to keep pace and of course you know [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► pretty quickly the inevitable Oh [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► everybody starting to look way older [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► than their characters sort of comes into [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► play but I mean honestly I i know that [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► never bothered me that much coming [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► especially growing up having watched [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► chose were like clearly there were high [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► school you know age kids being played by [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► people who are in their thirties or [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► whatever so you know I've been willing [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► to let that slide I think that they did [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► a pretty good job of picking people who [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► really did you know [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► excellent work bringing those characters [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► to life and I think runs right that it [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► really is more I mean the interest of [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► harry potter in general i find to be the [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► characters unless you know I don't think [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► the plots or anything necessarily to [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► write home about it's kind of a [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► archetypal plot right growling it's you [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► know rally introduces like a thousand do [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► characters in every book too so it [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► that's part of the problem i think [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► making movies work is you really need to [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► pare down the number of characters on [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► screen and you know some movies better [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► than others and I think the you know [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► that the early movies the first to wear [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► what was that Chris Columbus director [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► the first two is that right yeah right [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► and those were much more like we've torn [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► pages out the book and paste them on the [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► movie screen they weren't bad and they [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► were well realized that everything was a [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► little first week and thin and let you [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► know that the first two movies the first [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► two books are also the shortest by far [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► its it's true but even so I think they [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► had a worse job in those at making the [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► actually you know summarizing or not [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► summarizing but you felt they were [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► summaries as opposed to re working into [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► a new medium of something it seem like [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► very much like if I was an author [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► instead of having someone rework my work [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► I just rather than take [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► pages from it and put it on the screen [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► and felt very much like that then when [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► you got into of course not forgetting [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► his name who directed the next Alfonso [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► Quran yeah and his films where they are [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► much more beautiful rich deep nuanced [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► and He shed and shed and shit i wonder [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► how much of a battle it was to let [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► things go and then you see back again in [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► six and seven part one that there's you [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► know this tendency to set and you know [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► let's let's talk about seven part one [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► that there are so many characters and so [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► many terrific actors who aren't screen [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► for like five seconds I'm take me like [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► there's David Thewlis week he's gone [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► oh there's no no no we know Blanco hope [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► she's got a line that's very funny and [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► now she's gone and I feel like there's [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► about 50 actors in harry potter second [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► part 1 that that are just fleeting on [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► screen because it seemed like they must [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► and even so they pare down [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► it seemed like they had to get them in [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► there so they stuck him in there partly [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► to have to pay off in part two and [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► partly because maybe the audience would [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► have felt cheated not have that glimpse [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► of the islands of form Wormtail or [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► something you gotta balance all [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► characters i think like pretty much all [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► of the characters besides our main crew [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► are all in the first 1 30 minutes so it [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► balances out with the two hours of [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► camping with that does every is always [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► an exegesis in these large you know epic [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► swear there's just camping I mean Lord [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► of the Rings book 56 it's like and [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► they're camping it's like this every [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► author have this urge to write about mud [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► and dirt and danken Swedes I don't know [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► I gotta say when I was watching a gun [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► and I are really only two people who [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► have seen the movie right now you [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► haven't seen it yet Dan have you seen it [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► yet you haven't seen yet Jason well now [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► that it's after thanksgiving are Tina [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► but it does it's not coming to me [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► yeah you'd seen it a hundred i CH in a [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► future timeline that thing that really [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► like cracked me up is that of course [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► Harry Ron and Hermione are all walking [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► around in modern-day clothing in these [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► big epic you know Lord of the Rings Ian [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► type shots and I'm I didn't really [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► realize that while reading the book and [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► now watching on-screen I'm like man this [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► looks really ridiculous or 230 skinny [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► other and skinny [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► jeans and sweaters standing on like the [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► cliffs of you know [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► yea though I liked when it i forget [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► which movie it was i think i might have [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► been off onto corals movies where they [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► put them they took them out of their [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► sort of Wizarding robes and put them in [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► modern you know track like tracksuits [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► and things like that and i thought i [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► thought that was a great decision [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► because it could have gotten really thuy [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► and really just wizardy and it it didn't [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► if I think it anchors it and that's one [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► of the things i always liked about the [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► later books as I felt like there was [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► more of a relationship with the [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► quote-unquote real world which set this [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► apart from something like Lord of the [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► Rings which you know is fine everything [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► but I I you know this is fundamentally [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► in the later ones is really a story [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► about you know parallel worlds if not [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► parallel universes city and the know [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► haha that's the hogwarts and the muggle [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► city and the other city [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► well I thought that was what was easily [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► dismissed to like the you know I thought [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► that I i thought one of the best jersey [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► scenes at all seven books is when the [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► dursleys take their leave of haryanvi [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► bookseven I thought we'd get a moment of [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► reflection there I thought they open it [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► slow step back have that great moment [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► with Dudley which is I think a beautiful [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► woman in the book so it stands out it [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► gives him briefly three-dimensionality [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► out of you know pretty much the entire [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► series which is a cartoon a bully and I [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► don't like that and then in the movie i [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► think for interest of narrative [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► continuity in parallel ism between [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► hermione and ron and harry they just [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► sort of glossed over it to get into the [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► story proper so there-there is that too [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► everything is very fast I mean [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► everything's always they they always [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► open the film's very fast when you look [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► at them sort of as a whole it's always [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► true up we gotta get him [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► we gotta get him out of the dursleys we [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► gotta get him out go-go-go and always [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► always rushing but I'm even in the first [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► half hours that stuff the first movie [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► spend a lot of time with addresses and I [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► actually think it's its side to try to [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► set up that kind of story but at the [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► same time it is kind of painful the [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► amount of time they do spend before [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► Hagrid you know Bruce into the room on [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► the top of the rock and says it's your [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► birthday it they do spend a lot of time [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► one of the fun things about the jerseys [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► I think their way [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► broader there even broader if this can [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► be possible in the movies than they are [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► in the books [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► that's true and but in the books one of [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► the things I love about the the dursleys [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► is is that it's such a roald dahl knock [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► off and i love it because i love reading [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► roald dahl as a kid especially James and [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► the Giant Peach and I know there's a [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► probably a tradition in in literature [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► especially among English authors of [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► these kind of awful aunts and uncles but [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► the harry potter is is james from james [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► the giant peach to me in many ways when [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► we when we first meet him with the with [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► the awful you know his parents are dead [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► room under the stairs that was to that [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► creep you out in number seven when he's [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► looking at that room and you're like [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► Jesus guys six-foot-tall he lived in [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► there and it suddenly seemed really like [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► it's sort of creepy in the books but [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► you're like in context it's weird and [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► whatever you're like not good but then [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► when you see the light of day it's like [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► oh that's child abuse isn't the same [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► time I mean I will say in the film they [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► have a really nice touching moment and [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► kind of it is creepy and it is weird [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► where you're like man he lived there but [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► at the same time like when he there's a [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► there's a moment in the film we just [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► everything sort of pauses for a second [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► he just takes a moment to open the [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► cupboard door and look in to where he [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► slept it's kind of like all we're seeing [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► character growth here however small were [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► the captured moment so let's shift gears [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► a little bit of the books have had you [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► all read the books [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► yes all those numbers a while oh i just [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► reread them all by accident I wife by [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► the way we did you trip and family and [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► your I'll were were run over all the [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► books it was like Tron almost only [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► infinitely more tedious know so this [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► woody allen's story like that projected [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► into the books [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► no I was my wife picked up and started [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► reading through the books and she made [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► of time she got busy with your children [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► all and i started reading through them [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► apparently don't raise children and [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► wound up over the course of months like [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► going through all seven again you know [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► rather quickly in some cases i was [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► curious how well they held up and some [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► did better than others [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► you know i'm struck again by reading it [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► that clearly after the first book or to [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► you that [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► rolling contract said not a word that I [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► right shall be touched nor remove it [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► because you know there's awkward things [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► there are continuity errors in the books [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► some of which were fixed in later [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► editions and such as the the primary [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► content and content EU whatever it is [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► the last spell cast out of the wand [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► that's very unix-like tell me the last [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► several commands run in this wand and [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► then there's the problem with book seven [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► which is that she introduces major new [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► automatic elements previously not even [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► foreshadowed now having reread them [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► recently [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► there is not a hint of most of the new [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► stuff in book seven it's as if she's [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► like well I'm kind of bored so instead [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► of just finishing this thing I wrote i'm [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► going to create a whole new thing and so [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► you recall in the books and the movies [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► this was hilarious moment where Ron's [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► like wait a minute we got to get a whole [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► bunch more stuff we order to get like [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► five Horcruxes now we have to get like [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► these three deathly hallows like what [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► the hell's going on and you know if I [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► felt like there was real sense of [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► reading it as a whole in reading 3,000 [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► pages that it could have used some [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► trimming and it does hold up really well [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► as a rollicking good stories but there [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► are stretches that get tedious simply [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► because I don't think she took the [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► effort or was willing to have the effort [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► taken to tighten up [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► well she could definitely I mean early [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► on you can see that she's learning as a [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► writer that uh you know she she starts [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► out and the quite honestly the writing [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► isn't very solid she she does love her [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► adverbs uh but uh but it does everybody [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► get a bad they get a battle but she does [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► I mean it's how many times you know Ron [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► Hermione shouted you know frustratedly [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► or something like that was like that you [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► I think we got it [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► JK i think we figured out she was [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► frustrated from what she said you didn't [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► really need to throw in how she said it [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► like stage direction she does that's [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► like one of the least enjoyable things I [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► think about her pro so she gets better [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► in that sense but you did you write you [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► trade that for this I'm an incredibly [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► successful author so you know don't [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► touch my stuff and you know who knows [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► how much an editor worked on that stuff [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► but you do get the sense that that there [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► was nobody there [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► to say you know JK did you know this [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► doesn't really this doesn't really work [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► or they said it and she said Matt it's [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► what I want to do this is a good thing [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► we all for our editors we work with [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► writers pros i mean i spent a lot more [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► time writing that anything i think we [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► all the different balance in that but I [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► spent a lot of time having my work [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► edited by terrific editors suck-up [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► suck-up and also editing stuff by other [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► people and you know there's definitely [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► there's such a thing as a gift of [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► editing if it's done without ego and I [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► feel like she and I don't have anything [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► against her personally I think she seems [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► like a lovely person for someone to [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► suddenly become a billionaire and not [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► become a total jerk it's pretty amazing [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► it's a terrible [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► it's like a curse making that much money [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► all of a sudden I know some people who [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► suddenly became vastly wealthy the.com [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► time it is not necessarily good for you [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► so I have nothing against her personally [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► but definitely as a as a writer I think [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► it would have proved her to have [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► developed a strong relationship with an [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► editor who would have helped her make [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► her really incredibly terrific ideas [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► even better and we didn't stop anyone [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► from reading them but I think when you [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► look at all these books survive the ages [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► and a hundred years we read this the way [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► or should say hundred years but you know [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► it's 60 years it will reduce the way we [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► lord of the rings and I question that I [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► think these may appear dated and bloated [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► and other books may take their place [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► because of that lack of of I think of [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► depth in producing something that has I [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► don't know that isn't its citizens [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► bloated as for the lack of a better word [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► I don't know lord of the rings that it [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► has has a lot of bloated and gold yeah [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► girls are you I'd like Lord but I don't [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► like gonna bring up but i don't think it [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► necessarily have tom bombadil was the [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► worst missing piece for me in your 141 [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► in 10 11 10 [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► well you read dan any thoughts about [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► that with you heard you guys are just [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► destroyed it was like yeah you do is to [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► kill involving like it carefully my head [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► and shaking it it's just I mean you know [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► I think I readily yeah I was one of [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► those people who read started reading [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► harry potter and there are a lot of [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► people criticizing it because I you know [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► definitely knew a lot of people are like [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► i'll come on yeah that's for kids or [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► whatever and i don't know i guess i [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► didn't spend a lot of time thinking [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► extra [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► really critically about them in terms of [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► you know how they were constructed or [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► the skill that went into the just [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► because i found the story so engrossed [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► own i have noted i think speaks for I [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► didn't notice the bad writing know [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► whatever I still don't necessarily think [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► about it is until i started reading them [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► aloud to my children because i read them [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► all and i started reading before I had [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► kids and I just enjoyed the story and [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► then yeah you read anything out loud and [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► you will get a perspective on it that is [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► it that's about the best way to take [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► something apart is to read it out loud [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► and and I really noticed and now we're [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► reading the fourth book and you know [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► she's a lot better in the third and [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► fourth books as a writer then she wasn't [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► the first couple but she also was more [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► expansive and maybe that's good that she [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► felt like she she could fill in all the [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► details of this world because [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► fundamentally I think the best thing [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► about JK Rowling as a writing talent is [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► world-building and universal create [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► absolutely the thing right and and with [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► a third book that that switch gets [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► flipped where it seems like she's been [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► given carte blanche now just fill the [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► world and tell your story and that and [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► it's and rape it's impossible to deny [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► that she's great she's fantastic coming [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► up with all these and I know you're [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► talking about all the additional [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► characters they get thrown in there but [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► she's great at coming up with all these [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► characters right i mean there are so [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► many memorable characters who even if [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► they only appear for you know a moment [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► or one of the books you know there are [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► people who stick in your head better [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► only after hearing that madam Rosmerta [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► who is a minor character again she has a [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► significant role at least one of the [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► books and you know i can picture her i [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► have seen in the movies but I can [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► picture that character even though i'm [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► sure she appears on you know 20 pages in [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► the entire set of thousands [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► I you know I like I I've always been a [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► fan of Gilderoy Lockhart just because I [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► don't know he's so over-the-top but he's [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► so well Don me so hilarious and kenneth [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► branagh was was awesome money and a [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► rather I didn't write back write did [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► they bring them but does need in this [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► work she hasn't yet look see as he comes [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► back right now because have the Beast [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► Olivier to the right but they break but [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► they bring back which I thought was [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► great because it's like hey remember him [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► he was like wind and she does that with [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► a lot of them to like but like there's a [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► lot of characters who are minor [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► characters or come up in one of the [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► earlier books who then resurfaced [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► briefly later on Sunday [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► cameo yes oh yeah i'm gonna read [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► something I have a reputation for giving [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► me a hard time about being the youngest [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► person in the room that's the mob [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► working a prodigy but you actually are [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► doing 15 years old [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► no no I didn't say that now the rest of [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► us when we start reading harry potter we [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► were all you know in our twenties or can [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► we help with you when you start reading [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► Harry Potter did you do your present [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► when did you first come out 90 late [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► nineties yeah late nineties i would have [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► been a teenager I would have been I [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► think because i remember getting a copy [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► of the first book when I was still in my [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► freshman or sophomore year of college so [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► I have been 18 or 19 when I could say [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► you were actually literally a kid when [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► the first book came out did you read it [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► at that time and do you read it [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► differently of you reread it differently [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► now than when you read it at that time i [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► mean i will say that i started reading i [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► started reading when the second book [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► came out and I was on age with the [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► characters while lose were coming out [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► just not to date myself but so I was [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► actually i was reading through at around [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► there's a couple other words like the [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► books to jump ahead and then i would [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► jump ahead and just depended on release [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► schedule and stuff like that and i think [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► by the time the seventh book come out [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► the timespan had I had grown older at [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► that point but it was very very [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► interesting because I literally grew up [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► with the books and I like when i first [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► got ahold of them i remember being the [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► backseat of my cousin's car and she she [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► was reading I think the second book at [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► the time and I at that point was just [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► such a voracious reader where if I [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► didn't have a book i would sit and look [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► over somebody's shoulder can read while [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► they were reading and get mad because [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► they wouldn't flip the page fast enough [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► and I'd be done so i just be sitting and [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► like all right now i wanted i want to [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► read more of the story so when she put [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► the book down i basically stole it in [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► the course of like two hours [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► crushed it because I was just so eager [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► to actually it's like this book is [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► interesting it's fascinating and reading [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► it like those little those little pieces [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► from then on I was completely hooked and [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► I went back and read the first and then [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► kind of just I i went to a couple of the [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► mid lighten that releases I think more [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► fun of midnight releases then you know [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► anything else but I mean definitely as I [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► grew older I mean here okay here's my [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► terrible shameful secret is that [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► I used to edit harry potter fanfiction [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► oh there we go [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► secrets all right now we're getting [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► somewhere to yes [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► 31 cast know we are we've made it so [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► that was a hold of this podcast was to [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► get you to confess to you that there's [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► an intervention program because there is [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► actually harry potter fanfiction that i [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► have written somewhere on the internet [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► but i'm not telling anybody wear [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► something to hold on the major under sin [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► rolled well [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► wow that I mean it's just I it's I only [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► say it because it really is about the [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► world-building like terms of in terms of [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► her stories I mean looking at her books [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► now and like I haven't reread them since [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► the last book came out which is what was [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► that 2007-2008 was three years ago [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► wasn't yeah 2007 i think but i mean i [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► remember everyone has been recording [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► this it was just three days ago for that [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► far ahead we are special i but I mean I [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► i haven't read the books in a couple [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► years so and I've definitely grown a lot [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► in terms of like looking at pros and [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► things like that but I mean before I [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► mean the last time out of there are [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► serious flaws and I mean I know I [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► noticed that even while reading it [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► through the first time its like you read [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► it you read it when you first get it at [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► the midnight screening and you read it [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► in six hours and you're like oh my god [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► this is great and then you go back and [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► you do the second read over the course [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► of a couple days really like ingesting [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► the information and you're like well I [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► mean there are some good things the [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► fourth book is a complete mess [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► Maria work just meanders all over the [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► poly-si as I'm reading it just now this [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► will be an interesting ride for me and [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► my kids [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► yeah it's it's a very interesting book [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► to read out loud [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► actually that was talking with the [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► fourth book is that stottlemyre oh yeah [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► which is just try wizard what like [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► everything we told you the last three [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► books is now incorrect and accept [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► accented and different [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► yes which is such a shame i mean [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► although it has one of the best I are [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► probably my favorite ending of any of [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► the books yes really yes because it's [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► the pivot point for the entire series [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► right now that's the point at which all [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► of a sudden everything is real that was [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► that was the Stars first Harry Potter [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► book where [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► I i caught up to the store its story and [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► there were no more books yet and i [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► remember reading that on a vacation and [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► my wife had already read it and I turned [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► to her after the end of that book and I [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► said all things aren't looking good for [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► our friends and it was like a real [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► cliffhanger because the next book wasn't [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► out yet and so yeah it'll be interesting [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► to see how it how it goes fortunately [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► it's so long that it will probably be a [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► year before my kids and I finish it [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► yeah well i mean i will say have having [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► read the books when they were current [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► like that and having to wait [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► the couple years I mean you get you get [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► very anxious about where these things [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► are going because it really is as I said [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► about the world and everybody was being [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► saying about about the world of the [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► characters and I think that's why harry [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► potter had such a giant and fiction [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► based as well as it was like all right [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► JK Rowling you're taking three and a [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► half years to write your book so we're [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► gonna write a different story [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► more interestingly for you it was for [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► the same reason that star wars had such [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► as exactly popular one right so then [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► what what kind of stuff would you would [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► you would you do I mean you don't have [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► to go into detail but just curious what [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► caught your attention you wanna you know [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► what was the stuff that you wanted to [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► fill in fill in the gap right now i mean [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► the community that I worked with [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► primarily was actually very much on me [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► on the older generation and not so much [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► about Harry Ron and Hermione but and on [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► the minor characters on open the loop in [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► Sirius Black [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► I've calories yeah well not so much [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► tonks because she hadn't really when I [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► was doing she hadn't even been drawn [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► she's a little generational she's [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► younger than loop in there quite a bit [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► younger the answer is too but I mean [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► also she comes she's introduced in the [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► fourth or fifth book i think very very [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► and at the time i think i started doing [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► it around the time of the third book so [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► as it relates to a younger woman who [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► associates with a bunch of older guys so [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► that's that it's a James it is it is it [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► you know James Potter and his and his [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► men rather well I mean it was like some [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► some of the stuff that we worked on was [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► actually like nineteen seventies era [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► them in school that kind of thing and [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► then I one of the fan bases that I [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► worked with kind of branched off into [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► this whole kind of alternative universe [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► where it's like oh well [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► Voldemort was never defeated [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► and these characters are all still alive [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► and are dealing with the premise of what [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► happened basically if you didn't go away [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► for ten years and like all of the stuff [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► that I i was always attracted to working [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► on all of the not so much like the main [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► cannon stuff but all these minor [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► characters and getting to play with [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► these minor characters and really give [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► them a life that they otherwise don't [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► have within weeks themselves universe [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► there's a recurring theme there too [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► which is I guess your people see [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► something as you find out you know Harry [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► they're facing immediate threat always [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► and it's like wait a minute you know [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► voldemort was actually a problem [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► 30 years ago it was a problem fifty [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► years ago and there was was a [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► grindelwald don't matter that you know [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► he was 60 or 80 years ago and of course [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► there's going to be a recurring pattern [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► of some evil wizard rising to the top [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► attempting to destroy the mobile world [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► to seize power and it's this it's this [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► cycle and I don't think she explores [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► that theme as deeply in the book I mean [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► it's there and she's consciously using [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► it clearly to weave these stories to [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► make Harry have more sympathy with his [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► father have more sympathy with uh with [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► Dumbledore and Dumbledore occupied a [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► role precisely like Harry but without [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► the friend you know Harry out of your [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► friendship with Baltimore obviously that [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► would have been cute you know voldemort [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► area are great friends until one day he [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► killed all I mean in some ways I think [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► that sort of jobs with my all my long [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► jesting theory bet i mean i'm curious to [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► see what growling does post harry potter [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► and I know she did she did a brief we [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► should be a book that was kinda like a [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► harry potter related book the little [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► harder yeah and I sort of always thought [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► well she'll probably go on and do [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► something else [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► it probably won't be as high like not [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► that it won't be you know have its own [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► merits or whatever but it's hard to [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► follow up on something that has been [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► such a phenomenon right and should i do [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► is Michigan George Lucas are working [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► together and so basically yeah so I [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► visit her going off in like coming up [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► with some of the books and like they're [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► okay but they're not harry potter and [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► then eventually in like 10 years she [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► writes you know prequels to hear popular [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► no yeah she actually is she is quoted in [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► a i want to say it's like an Oprah thing [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► but it's a she was quoted as saying that [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► she has ideas for three more books that [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► are Harry Potter books and she doesn't [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► know if she [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► overwrite them but she might and this is [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► funny but only because of course you [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► might say that except she said when the [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► door open when the seventh book came out [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► she said seven outs and that's it and [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► yeah the doors swing open and it would [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► not surprise me link and get the st. [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► George Lucas the same thing you went [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► back and forth the years about how many [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► actually rather be sequels and prequels [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► though I I'd really rather have her take [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► off up from where she left off and that [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► in the epilogue of the seventh book and [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► Terry gets a job and you go through [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► midlife crisis little bored he chose [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► there's no Dark Lord defy lens point [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► there's always another evil wizard to [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► fight right so what are you waiting to [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► pull out lord of the rings that was [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► insulting thing was I read his letters [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► at some point that were published in i [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► believe it was in there someone said why [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► don't you write more and he said well [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► you know everything is declined this [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► sort of in in in lord of the rings on [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► the books and the movies you know it's [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► every minute is a little bit less than [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► one before the grand jury is diminishing [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► so rapidly you know everything is [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► leading the world which was once a thing [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► of beauty and terror becomes very [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► mundane that sort of the the tolkien [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► thing and so he said you know well after [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► the defeat of Sauron there's no handle [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► elves leave and everything sort of [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► receipts like what would a book after [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► that BB kids playing at being works or [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► something like we very boring and so [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► that's part of the concern is Baltimore [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► it was you don't want to swallow up the [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► earth and destroy death and so forth [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► like what you know what's next a guy [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► with runs you know has terrible curses [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► or something I don't know what's hard to [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► top without going more minuscule more [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► more situational and I want to see with [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► Harry dealing with the like the [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► mundanity of an everyday job that that [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► was just you know he works he's like a [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► middle-management actually right Dan [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► youyou a fan of detective stories right [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► isn't being in or isn't he basically [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► like a wizard private was will not drive [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► and I but he's like wizard wizard cop [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► wizard everything so we should do the [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► wizard like he'll become kills you to [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► shop there it will get divorced from [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► jenny he'll start drinking will be all [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► grizzled we don't have to make a home [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► out of retirement [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► no no I want your badge [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► and your wand on my desk with Nexus 6 [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► models that come back and you just you [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► just want Harry Potter's Terriers [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► basically yes always don't want [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► everything I i think there's you know [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► Harry investigate something and it turns [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► out to be something greater and more [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► threatening and and he ido and he has to [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► call on are some people who are familiar [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► who are now at Hogwarts and you know [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► what the other thing would be would be [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► the opposite is the way to write this up [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► school books because we're giving [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► rolling suggestions yeah it is it's the [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► it's the what happened with the x-men [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► movies also it's the once the sort of [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► internal threads that with you deal with [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► the external which is that everyone in [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► the muggle world another world finds out [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► about wizards and sets out to [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► exterminate them you know just got a [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► little bored or path that has been taken [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► or and bear with me on this [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► there's a crystal skull ha ha ha me [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► first by chance [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► um there was a kingdom I mean right i [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► don't know if you can you can you can [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► follow me on this one and some pyramids [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► an alienware monkeys of magic around all [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► the monkeys [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► why do we have waited mother's efforts [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► at does happen sadly no there are no so [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► magical world is without sampling so [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► that is my that is my biggest the [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► biggest load Harry Potter books is no [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► Zeppelin's except in the movie there are [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► Zeppelin flowers [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► alright spoiler goes up LOM so-so ginny [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► weasley you brought up jenny i wanted to [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► ask about the relationships and the [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► Harry Potter books because for a long [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► time I really thought that it was it was [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► the you know Harry Hermione relationship [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► was the obvious one and and then it was [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► fascinating to see that beast you know [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► steered away to run and Hermione and and [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► looking back to notice that that yeah [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► Jenny weasley is kind of kicking around [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► from Star need like from the get-go in [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► any idea to try always the first time [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► she season I always thought I I never [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► thought for a minute that hermione and [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► harry were going to become involved [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► because it didn't seem I mean that the [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► thing the the relationship between her [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► and Ron just the way that they rub each [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► other the wrong way constantly is such a [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► great you know example of you know a [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► weapon year old boys and girls [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► right constantly at each other's throats [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► and of course it's all just you know [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► they have you know these these childhood [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► crushes on each other i mean it i think [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► she captured that beautifully and I [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► think it never you know it never really [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► seemed to make sense for for Harry in [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► the same way that you know that Luke [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► Skywalker is never going to end up with [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► Princess Leia right other than mr. tank [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► but i think there's definitely a you [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► know and i think they brought in Jimmy [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► there is you know the best friend's [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► sister whatever to provide that level of [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► like tension between harry and his best [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► friend but it also yeah it's alluded to [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► from book one or two right was a [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► two-person first comes up well because [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► he plays a major part netbook to yeah [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► you guys right because she gets she gets [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► ya possessed by Tom Riddle's diary and [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► taken down into the lair of the of the [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► well I guess it's the chamber of secrets [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► or something you know and I mean really [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► once you rescue a girl from a giant [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► basilisk I mean what's what other [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► courses that right my hero my wife you [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► know whether the basket [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► well take it was there was this it was a [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► garter snake but why did have always [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► take a sword harrison was a whole was [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► lying in the grass but it looked like a [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► snake but it was more i should warn [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► anybody who's going to go see part 1 of [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► the movie there are some scary snake [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► seems in the hold here [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► my wife is good just not sure I two [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► people leave out there is 16 somebody [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► that's hilarious i remember the little [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► like snakes the oh now yeah i remember [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► my scrapbook yeah I apparently I've been [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► repressed the recovered memory yes I i [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► actually jumped out of my seat and a [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► couple of those and I'm like I don't get [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► scared that easily in movies but there [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► are a couple of just like out of nowhere [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► no dramatic chord no nothing it's like [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► oh my god big snake so just you know if [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► you're gonna go see this with kids [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► especially all yours or people afraid of [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► snakes for i saw it was being i just [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► returned from a physical we have four to [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► six year old one fate was a corporate [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► screening out with friends and their rob [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► a local company had bought a show before [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► midnight inside one's friends and [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► everyone is all adults in the audience [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► except one couple had brought like the [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► 24 26 year-old and to their credit I [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► know the kids talked a little and [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► whatever it made some noise at times but [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► anyway shrieking I would have thought [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► they could have to bundle the kids out [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► you don't take them directly to therapy [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► but apparently not [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► that's later later that's part 2 [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► let's run through no don't think back to [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► the other about it so I'm the my next [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► question for you guys is about the [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► deaths in the series and this is [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► interesting because it's the children's [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► series and it starts out a lot lighter [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► and it gets a lot darker as it goes [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► along and Dan referred to it earlier the [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► the death of of Cedric Diggory right is [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► is the pivot point in some ways of the [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► entire series and is quite a challenge [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► because he comes back as a vampire haha [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► oh no stop it [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► that's not no don't even need our [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► memories forever i will always choose to [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► remember him as as Cedric Diggory but [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► I'm with you there i mean quite quite [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► shocking and in fact and then there are [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► more deaths as we go i'm just kind of [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► wondering what what your thoughts are [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► about the people you know that the dark [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► turn that happens in the series [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► go ahead and look what I said the series [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► definitely I mean it starts off as a [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► shot like a children's book series but I [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► definitely I mean you start getting the [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► adult themes in the third book where you [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► i mean you're talking about a prison [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► where Dementors and people are sucking [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► Souls from I mean there's there's some [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► dark stuff there and then with the [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► fourth book with subjects Cedric's death [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► I mean you that's that's the first step [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► death period in the series right there [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► no I mean they're obviously the [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► allusions to Harry's parents but there's [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► a personal screech yeah like Tom Riddle [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► kills people in flashback right yeah [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► flash but it's not really it's not real [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► and it's not there in 5-10 all alluded [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► to or the past right I'm ready made [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► various parents died in the first [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► chapter right but yeah yeah it'sit's all [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► illusions and your two after-the-fact [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► separate was killed on on screen on page [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► as it were and it's unexpected to write [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► like you go in knowing Harry's parents [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► are are dead kind of if you know [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► anything about the premise the series [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► right he's an orphan [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► I mean no but Cedric's not only that but [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► it's I think the thing that got me most [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► about that [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► I love it when when maybe this is the [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► love is a strong word but I really when [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► in character authors killing off [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► characters i think i find it very moving [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► i find it very you know if you can make [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► you care enough about someone that when [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► they kill them off [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► you're like oh my god you know you're [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► actually taking it back i think that [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► that you know indicates to me that [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► there's a certain level of power and [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► involvement in that writing and I think [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► Cedric's what's so damning about [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► Cedric's is that it's it's off-the-cuff [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► right like it's totally he you know it's [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► just casual the way that voldemort kills [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► him [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► well it's yeah it's monday is that he's [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► not giving a defense ever you know every [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► sci-fi fantasy whatever before someone [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► dies they put up the spirited defense or [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► it's only as oh my god they're almost [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► killed if it wasn't for that foul or [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► they get their death warrant [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► don't sit right on i'll either operatic [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► or there's that tender moment and that's [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► just how I just saw this in a show where [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► we're always in Chuck sorry spoiler [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► alert well well not have known for last [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► season's chuck out last season's Chuck [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► far the spoiler horn mmm brush and scott [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► bakula sad has the scene where he [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► finally goes to his daughter and he [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► apologizes for everything that he's done [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► is a bad father and says that from now [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► on he'll be a good father and my lighter [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► do dead he's dead so it's you either get [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► that moment of closure before the death [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► or or its this operatic death now Dan [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► were you saying that you liked the fact [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► that that Cedric's death was so [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► off-the-cuff that's where children yeah [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► oh yeah oh yeah i mean like that but [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► it's okay i'm not saying i like it i'm [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► saying it's effective race yeah well [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► Riley it it makes you makes your hair go [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► R Us oh my god but how do they have what [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► you wanted Cedric Diggory video is that [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► you're his little person haha its but [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► you know what's funny is so citric is [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► set up the obstetric and Neville not as [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► much the movies unfortunately but Cedric [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► Neville and hairier setup as interesting [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► parallels I mean they were never [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► supposed to be a bumbler center can do [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► no wrong and Harry somewhere in the [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► middle but he's the chosen one he's the [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► one who's to wahoos lot this is all [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► fallen and it could have been sort of [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► anything about the same age and you know [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► but Cedric is the hero and this in [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► Harry's [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► sort of not exactly the anti-hero but [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► he's the reluctant hero he does what is [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► right because it is necessary not [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► because he wants to be in that role so [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► in Cedric dicey like holy crap [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► Baltimore can kill the hero what chances [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► Harry half we know he's gonna come out [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► ascendant in our hearts but in the terms [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► of narrative you're like everything just [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► changed me and killed he killed the kid [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► right he killed ya student at horton [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► meant that means that our friends are [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► you know even though this is [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► theoretically a children's series [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► no one is is safe and we're told for [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► books [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► nothing can get in or out of Hogwarts [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► nothing get out told again and again i'm [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► sure that was I'm sure she had that arc [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► in mind that she set us up for years of [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► reading that Hogwarts is a safe place [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► just like the dursleys in that it's like [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► oh wait it's not really needed was a [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► long day off and of course that that [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► goes through the later books to write I [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► mean well in the 70's look more or less [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► wood isn't it would also with [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► Dumbledore's death Highway and six [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► really being that the point at which are [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► like wow [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► not only is this not safe this is [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► probably like the most dangerous places [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► i I'm thinking of the really shocking to [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► me that the the climax of the seventh [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► book we're in a war is five in the [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► hallways of hogwarts and lots of people [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► died in HD [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► wow you know you could expect that again [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► like lord of the rings they're out in [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► the field somewhere and things happen [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► and no it's right in the school where [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► we've been all along and then you take [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► that time away and by the time our [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► characters come back to the school [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► they're bringing a terrible things with [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► them hopefully the other chilling moment [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► in the series for me and this was [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► presented well the movie in books [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► there's first photo book seven you know [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► something's going to happen [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► things are getting bad and she's given [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► us all you know in fact you expect this [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► out of the book might open with things [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► being really bad but she gives us a [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► little bit of calm something's not quite [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► right things are building up the wedding [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► is going to happen and i think the book [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► did it better all the movie did quite [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► well when it's the ministry has fallen [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► scripture is dead flee and it's it's [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► practically that moment Lord of the [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► Rings fly you fools you know it's just [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► you're like oh wow evil just one didn't [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► so how do you claw back from this [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► massive massive defeat [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► yeah I like that we go a lot heavily [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► into the darkness before the characters [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► are [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► get to the inevitable triumph right it's [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► not just they're gonna win all along [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► yeah but like stuff gets bad and it's [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► going to get worse before it gets better [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► yes to continue to give a portion yeah [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► no I mean I think that to me that you [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► know I find out more and more effective [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► and more engaging than if it were just [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► do you no good always triumphs obviously [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► he gets shriven I mean this is a classic [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► like Christian mythology sort of thing [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► too is Harry has to go through us to [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► have his ego battered his soul battery [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► has to die no one has to die and be [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► reborn not there's no no mythology or [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► Dogma or any kind of reference there of [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► course no no nobody asked me yesterday [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► he's convinced soul is completely [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► shriveled below are you talking about [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► the matrix haha [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► pretty much yes well let's hang at neo [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► is harry potter go ahead ready [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► oh no I was just gonna say in terms of [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► Harry's journey and all the things that [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► kind of gets thrown Adam I think my [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► personal and remains the most chilling [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► moment in the series is not necessarily [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► Dumbledore's death or anything but [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► actually the end of book five with the [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► battle in the ministry and I just have [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► serious God way beyond the veil years [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► well that you want to talk about it you [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► want to talk about a moment that comes [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► out of nowhere where you're completely [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► not expecting it's like he's not he [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► doesn't get a heroic death he doesn't [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► get anything it's just one moment he's [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► good he's there and then the next gone [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► and it's and with it you kind of get 33 [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► well note i guess two books to know 33 [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► yes i'm going to get number 345 great [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► 3.14159 you get three books of basically [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► Harry learning that he still has family [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► and he still has someone who knows his [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► father intimately and who you know who [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► could conceivably care about him he has [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► a home and all of that and even though I [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► mean the person that he you know cares [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► about is a wanted murderer he still has [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► that connection and then all of a sudden [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► that's gone he has no you know I always [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► found that moment a little bit i don't [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► know not quite hollow but there is [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► something missing in that moment for me [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► maybe it's just a matter of the death [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► where I don't know maybe as part of it [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► is because you kind of feel like well [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► easy dad in or is he just like trapped [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► and i'll come back and it seemed the [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► inconclusive miss of it i read just I [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► read those pages / like 10 times when I [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► got to that part of the book because I [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► was like what just happened and I can [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► only get maximum profit are I can only [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► conclude that she did it at and I think [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► about it even read her talking about at [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► one point I only conclude she did [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► exactly what she wanted to do there but [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► i find it yes I find it very strange [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► because it does lack gravitas we were [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► just making fun of how every death has a [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► moment of oh you know operatic but [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► Cedric Cedric steph had gravitas even if [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► you get this wrong he brought his body [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► back that whole thing they like the [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► father right behind bring the body back [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► to and this was blinking blinking you [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► miss it right it's like no way did what [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► happened there did I miss him dying and [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► then I got back up and said no he just [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► kind of went through this thing and it's [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► not really it's like a metaphorical [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► there's a difference between the death [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► being sort of off the cuff and and the [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► way that it's it's reflected in the text [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► right and I think that's where the [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► difference comes in for me is that [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► inaction Cedric's death is very very [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► like casual and the way that Voldemort [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► killed him but it's not presented as [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► such in the text in the story whereas [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► when serious his death I feel like [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► there's something in the writing that [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► just doesn't convey to me it doesn't [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► have a good job of conveying anyhow [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► yes I think I think there's a there's a [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► festival issue here bring up the [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► festival's that a fire outside with red [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► I actually thought serious disappearing [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► i think i did read it again and again [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► like what just happened he can't have [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► gone but i think that was I think she's [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► chosen many different kinds of deaths I [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► think this is her way you know death is [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► something children have to face less so [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► in our society in our age but it's um [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► you know I've had people died with their [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► suddenly gone and they're gone abruptly [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► and there's a hole in your life [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► inexplicable inexplicable death just [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► right happens right it sucks and it [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► sucks and I thought she actually did a [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► great job of cheating she made someone [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► disappear in the book as if she'd cut [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► pages out of it and i think i agree i [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► think it was very intentional for me at [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► work because of that and then you have [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► is the next book when he sees the [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► festivals and suddenly become [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► she's lost someone where he was I guess [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► Cano he's he's never been able to see [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► the best roles with some explanation [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► even those parents who died in front of [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► him write that and Cedric had died while [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► she said right so you can see the [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► festival suddenly and Luna and the whole [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► thing that that I'm Alliance Scicluna [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► just slightly bizarre kid but then you [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► find her mother's quadfather's a little [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► cracked and how they've been able to [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► make the way the world so there's no [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► this eccentric death is that debt [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► there's a man I moody like I actually [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► felt the most to death in the books from [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► your mad movie and spoiler or another [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► room pyranose that's the only thing is [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► covered under the spoiler open check out [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► when I can't hear you the spoiler hoods [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► going haha but looping looping and I'd [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► gonna get married and then they die [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► I was like a tox I couldn't believe I [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► was like I finally tried but happiness [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► and then she'd buy it man i believe the [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► same thing like we lost him it's like [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► we're all we got to hit you know [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► yeah but this was this huge battle and [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► suddenly he's gone i felt like that was [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► not handled well they made an emotional [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► attachment to movie but it wasn't him it [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► was the you know the guy you not even [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► getting positive and then we rarely [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► really saw we have a lot of connection [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► with movie after that Anthony spot [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► I you know it occurred to me suddenly [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► when I was thinking about series is that [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► that I'm so he dies he sort of stumbles [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► back through the like the veo que [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► archway and a cursory it's only [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► encourage me when we were talking about [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► this that's kind of a dark reflection of [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► in the first book When Harry the mirror [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► of erised said oh yeah where Harry [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► series seasons parents and it's kind of [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► like a dark you know that the veil was [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► kind of like the dark version of that [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► which is instead of sort of bringing [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► something back to take something away [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► and leave me there and we need to do [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► simulations haha we can meet up with the [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► flip side of that to which is that the [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► number of people who come back from the [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► dead like given how many deaths are [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► closed people the styles of death it's [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► like you have all the ghosts then you [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► can takes book after book before you [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► understand what the ghost actually mean [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► in her universe you have Mary's parent's [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► come back so often they'll get frequent [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► flyer from the afterlife tickets because [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► it's like well but they're like their [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► recordings though right which is sorta [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► they seem to have some intentionality [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► until the final thing when he has the [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► what we call it the resurrection stone [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► right well the whole idea though is I i [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► think is that they're you in the [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► wizarding world they're like shards of [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► pottery shards of pride your souls just [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► like with a Baltimore a and so you leave [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► a little imprint behind so it is a piece [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► of them that's left but it's not good i [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► am given credit give her credit though [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► for not falling to the temptation of you [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► know basically like the comic book [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► approach of nobody's ever really dead in [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► a world which is which is Magic they're [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► dead magic rights they're dead they're [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► dead but that might not just like with a [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► joss whedon series to tie it into last [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► week's podcast once they're dead just [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► means you don't see him again but [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► they're still like ya good but i like [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► that because there's not a it's it feels [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► like a cheap right whenever you know [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► nobody ever really dies in comic books [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► right everybody always comes back [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► it really isn't a magnum p.i when that [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► guy was blown up in the car came back [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► and no no yes yes I didn't know we were [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► gonna get to add in the middle of this [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► but did you see did you see the sunrise [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► at the pali lookout this morning boom [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► and bags friend dies and then they bring [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► him back and he's like an evil twin [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► Russian sleeper agent you know exactly [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► what the hell was that that's the best [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► episode of magnum p.i when the guy dies [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► because it's like real thanks i didn't [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► know we'd be talking about Megan don't [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► like it you have to conduct his magnum [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► p.i and no wait a second factor hearing [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► platter what is what magnum p.i in and [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► harry potter have in common now we know [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► it's a it's no way no nomination there [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► she doesn't do cheap Chesney the cheap [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► shot doesn't do that it was I mean yeah [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► you would in a world that this [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► promulgated so heavily on magic right it [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► would have been easier to say oh yeah we [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► just magic them back from the dead [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► probably good go about your business but [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► he never she never succumbs to that [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► which I I appreciate the loot was I [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► think either the it's we talked about [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► this briefly actually two tied into [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► another early podcast in the Doctor Who [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► podcast earlier where you were the with [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► Rory again spoiler alright dying many [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► times [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► yeah it's like after all it loses the [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► impact right B and get a nice moment [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► where it's like oh god this is you know [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► death its mortality it's all this stuff [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► wrapped up in one and then they're like [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► I yeah but we're just kidding about that [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► you know well what will give them some [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► more thread to play himself out [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► come again and Brad together again [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► giving back again giving very close to [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► call world [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► Wow Glenn Glenn you are going to retire [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► as the champion of the obscure earnest [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► online this podcast I'm the distiller [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► for this point [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► oh that's that's true that's true but if [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► you're going to start talking about [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► right wing politics so a little work and [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► it's like my beer that Rolen alright oh [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► uh well okay so what I'll be evil glare [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► right evil clan well or core or Glenn [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► didn't I might be consistent with the [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► opposite Glenn we should do an episode [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► were all play parallel universe like [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► Star Trek near Mary universe versions of [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► ourselves [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► welcome to ten separated world that's [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► right because there will be supplements [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► in that parallel universes podcast [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► that's what I think I'll be clean-shaven [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► in that unit that will be on not that [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► would be the comparable oh there you are [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► not very good April Fool's ride will be [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► 80 years old so yeah so what's up so [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► what's your room [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► what's your favorite of the of the Harry [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► Potter books 3 without a doubt I hold [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► that to this time and that one is for [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► those who reserved azkaban oh yeah which [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► introduced a serious but yes I I serious [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► is probably one of my favorite [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► characters despite the relatively little [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► screen time he gets overall but that [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► that book is just crafted so well [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► because it's the first hint that we get [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► the ball in this world is you know there [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► are still dark and deep things in this [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► world besides besides Baltimore you know [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► trying to poke his head up from the [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► surface there are still like horrible [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► things that are going on and then on top [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► of that you really start to get the [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► backstory behind Harry's parents death [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► and how that all occurred you're like [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► wow this is really awful to and [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► generally there are really awful things [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► happening in this otherwise hey pretty [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► magic things are you know you get that [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► you get that sort of dark feel [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► throughout the entire book rather than [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► in the last like five or six chapters as [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► you do with like chamber of secrets and [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► philosopher stone right sorcerer's stone [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► which everyone called when what about [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► you when it's a tough question i I'm not [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► sure I like any books is unreservedly [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► three was good I liked some parts of [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► order of the phoenix and I think [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► bookseven despite its flaws are some [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► terrific they're terrific parts of books [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► 7i like so i'm not sure i had anyone [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► that was a favorite I i think there's a [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► scene that I love which is when [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► dumbledore comes back way he doesn't [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► come back no one comes back we get an [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► echo of Dumbledore I i think i have a [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► favorite scene like of all the books a [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► bit when they're in the thing that's not [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► quite a trigger Waterloo station or some [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► giant train station in London that to me [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► is I think the epitome how she could [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► write a scene that is unlike anything [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► else you know we didn't even talk about [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► Dumbledore's death when we talked about [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► deaths [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► it's still too fresh huh excuses to [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► represent that's why you know it [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► happened that will be one and it [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► happened again although he came back [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► right so what happened it's not about [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► anything was never in school afterwards [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► like he was really boring Gandalf the [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► Grey was awesome get off the white and [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► thumbs down [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► he's just doing his job please doll why [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► wizards john is Dalton great wizard know [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► it's all the chicks what can you say [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► that again very great Wizards he's got a [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► little edginess to him right it's kind [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► of funny he's got a sense of humor is a [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► little bit draggled what it's like I'm [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► Jesus hey how's it going was really [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► rather gasps the Reds fan picture that's [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► what I want to know [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► brown brown do disney brown right oh [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► you're right [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► yeah Wow Dan Moore and please tell me [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► how take a look at it well tell me about [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► harry potter tell me your favorite [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► favorite thing from Harry Potter book or [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► other thing if you want to be like [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► planning and avoid the question of [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► favorite book [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► I think I'm gonna have to go to spike it [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► getting knocked I think I'm gonna have [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► to go with four just because goblet of [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► fire just because you know that they [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► have to find it builds and it has that [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► great pivot point where everything [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► changes and to me that's when I really [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► you know got the feeling that the series [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► was something else was going to in a [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► different direction than I expected it [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► two and five [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► you know I think the problem with five [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► is there's a lot of this there's a lot [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► of time spent whinging as the British [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► would say with with the hairy dithering [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► about stuff and feeling better he has a [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► bad note book 5 is very good revise my [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► actual heading um and I would say six is [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► probably probably a close second [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► I think for me but I you know I I'm i [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► think i agree with Glenn to a certain [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► extent that there are I more fan of [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► scenes throughout the the series that i [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► am of any particular books [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► but I yeah I i don't know i and III [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► would actually agree with you [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► sorry friend that I i like the fourth [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► book the best mostly because of the end [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► mostly because of those last few scenes [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► where things really really turn and I [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► have a soft spot in my heart for the [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► fifth one even though you're right that [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► here is kind of a jerk for the entire [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► book it because the whole Dumbledore's [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► Army you know it's pretty it's just such [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► a great thing to see the kids finally [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► kind of come all the way out from under [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► the you know that they're sort of [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► skirting the rules up to that point and [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► in the fifth book they are a rebel force [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► and how great is that moment when that [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► when they're like we're gonna just do [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► this ourselves and you know what took [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► you so long but it i love that end of [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► four and then and then going into the [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► fifth book so what there's not there's a [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► political group called Dumbledore's Army [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► I said about this on NPR the other day [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► inspired by like taking their there is [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► sort of you know political leanings from [TS]