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11: To Be Continued?

 

00:00:00   podcast episode 11 / 2010 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/0">TS</a>]

00:00:14   this is the uncomfortable podcast I call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/14">TS</a>]

00:00:16   this meeting of the book club to order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/16">TS</a>]

00:00:18   it is it made to order it when i get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/18">TS</a>]

00:00:22   choose I didn't choose actually i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/22">TS</a>]

00:00:23   what books we finally decided to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/23">TS</a>]

00:00:25   about this and didn't say I hate you all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/25">TS</a>]

00:00:27   that every podcast was supposed to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/27">TS</a>]

00:00:28   me introduce all the people i hate today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/28">TS</a>]

00:00:30   first and foremost the voice you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/30">TS</a>]

00:00:33   heard Glenn fleischmann hi Glenn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/33">TS</a>]

00:00:36   hello there I also joining us today Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/36">TS</a>]

00:00:39   Morgan who's on every podcast idea i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/39">TS</a>]

00:00:42   on every podcast in the world that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/42">TS</a>]

00:00:45   right i don't know why but he is usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/45">TS</a>]

00:00:50   uninvited I really really bored clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/50">TS</a>]

00:00:52   also joining us today Scott McNulty who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/52">TS</a>]

00:00:57   will be with us for a while and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/57">TS</a>]

00:00:58   we'll duck out to do like exercise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/58">TS</a>]

00:01:01   stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/61">TS</a>]

00:01:01   yes I i'm a fat man who wants to be less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/61">TS</a>]

00:01:04   fat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/64">TS</a>]

00:01:05   well that's your holding down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/65">TS</a>]

00:01:06   Zeppelin right now exactly you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/66">TS</a>]

00:01:08   lighter than air and also joining us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/68">TS</a>]

00:01:11   today for his first time on the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/71">TS</a>]

00:01:13   be gentle or or don't be gentle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/73">TS</a>]

00:01:16   Greg moss by Regis it's really nice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/76">TS</a>]

00:01:19   be here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/79">TS</a>]

00:01:19   that's right Kathie Lee will be joining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/79">TS</a>]

00:01:21   us worked me like a ham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/81">TS</a>]

00:01:23   haha that's not not a euphemism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/83">TS</a>]

00:01:27   everybody workin him like a ham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/87">TS</a>]

00:01:30   so we have three books to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/90">TS</a>]

00:01:31   today and first up is spin winner of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/91">TS</a>]

00:01:35   hugo award by robert charles wilson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37   published in 2005 on the hugo award in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/97">TS</a>]

00:01:40   2006 it is apparently the first book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/100">TS</a>]

00:01:43   according to wikipedia in the spin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   trilogy I've only read the first book so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47   I cannot speak to the other magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/107">TS</a>]

00:01:50   selections in this in this a in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/110">TS</a>]

00:01:52   astrology I believe several of you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/112">TS</a>]

00:01:54   finish this book I've read this ages ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/114">TS</a>]

00:01:57   I know you're talking about like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59   minutes ago right looks like at least I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/119">TS</a>]

00:02:00   mean defensive we talked about in spin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/120">TS</a>]

00:02:02   time or a regular time is right for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04   inside the envelope or outside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06   envelope and Scott you just finished it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/126">TS</a>]

00:02:08   recently to write i finished last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/128">TS</a>]

00:02:10   wow I finished about two weeks ago so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/130">TS</a>]

00:02:13   apparently had a curve my goodness this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/133">TS</a>]

00:02:14   is like a real book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/134">TS</a>]

00:02:18   I i read it like two years ago but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/138">TS</a>]

00:02:20   that's okay that was you know I feel I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/140">TS</a>]

00:02:23   feel like I'm with it now we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/143">TS</a>]

00:02:25   start by asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/145">TS</a>]

00:02:26   didn't you read the next to is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/146">TS</a>]

00:02:27   indication of the books quality i bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/147">TS</a>]

00:02:29   a kindle and it's not available on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/149">TS</a>]

00:02:31   kindle and I decided I wasn't going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/151">TS</a>]

00:02:33   find paper and I haven't you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/153">TS</a>]

00:02:34   third one is not yet i bought it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/154">TS</a>]

00:02:37   there that would also be that would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/157">TS</a>]

00:02:38   small bottles of time and space which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/158">TS</a>]

00:02:41   are contravene in many parts of spin so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/161">TS</a>]

00:02:43   anyway to spin robert charles wilson the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/163">TS</a>]

00:02:46   premise is that what would happen if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/166">TS</a>]

00:02:49   earth kind of got enveloped by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/169">TS</a>]

00:02:51   shell that turns out to be slowing its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/171">TS</a>]

00:02:55   passage through time so time and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/175">TS</a>]

00:02:57   rest of the universe is patched passing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/177">TS</a>]

00:02:59   much faster than it is on earth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/179">TS</a>]

00:03:02   there are some social ramifications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/182">TS</a>]

00:03:05   there's some character ramifications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07   then there's some interesting things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/187">TS</a>]

00:03:07   that happen when you when they start to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/187">TS</a>]

00:03:09   figure out that they can actually send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/189">TS</a>]

00:03:10   stuff outside of the bubble into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12   rest of the universe so i don't know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/192">TS</a>]

00:03:15   don't know quite where to start uh we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/195">TS</a>]

00:03:18   circle back around to this at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/198">TS</a>]

00:03:19   but you know did you guys did you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/199">TS</a>]

00:03:22   like it and you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24   what did you like about it and what did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/204">TS</a>]

00:03:25   you not about let's go with dan who read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/205">TS</a>]

00:03:27   it the most recently by several minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/207">TS</a>]

00:03:30   yeah i'm struggling to digest this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/210">TS</a>]

00:03:32   entire book that i just finished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/212">TS</a>]

00:03:34   um I kind of give it a solid i liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/214">TS</a>]

00:03:38   you know wasn't it wasn't like what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/218">TS</a>]

00:03:41   didn't love it I didn't think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/221">TS</a>]

00:03:42   like the best book I've read but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/222">TS</a>]

00:03:43   entertaining it was interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45   there's certainly a lot of great ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/225">TS</a>]

00:03:46   in here and he really does pack them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/226">TS</a>]

00:03:48   um I i guess when I felt like what kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/228">TS</a>]

00:03:51   of the weaknesses are some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/231">TS</a>]

00:03:54   characters are interesting but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/234">TS</a>]

00:03:55   very hard to identify with at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/235">TS</a>]

00:03:57   points more deliberately than others i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/237">TS</a>]

00:03:59   think you know especially when you talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/239">TS</a>]

00:04:00   about this these you could argue the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/240">TS</a>]

00:04:03   central character if not the protagonist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/243">TS</a>]

00:04:04   is is this guy Jason and he is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/244">TS</a>]

00:04:08   and another one yeah yeah what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/248">TS</a>]

00:04:10   terrible i can't you just can't believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/250">TS</a>]

00:04:11   anybody with the name Jason no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/251">TS</a>]

00:04:13   untrustworthy but he's kind of intended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/253">TS</a>]

00:04:16   to be you know he sort of set up as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/256">TS</a>]

00:04:19   he's a genius you know he knows he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/259">TS</a>]

00:04:22   very intelligent he's been groomed from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/262">TS</a>]

00:04:23   a young age to really change the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/263">TS</a>]

00:04:27   somehow how many happens to find this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/267">TS</a>]

00:04:30   sort of you know he comes of age in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/270">TS</a>]

00:04:31   is perfect timing when he's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/271">TS</a>]

00:04:33   able to put himself in a position where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35   you can actually change the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/275">TS</a>]

00:04:36   arguably but he's also kind of this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/276">TS</a>]

00:04:39   screwed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/279">TS</a>]

00:04:39   screw double character who is very set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   apart from a lot of the other characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   including the narrator who is his best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   friend and who is sort of the tempering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/285">TS</a>]

00:04:48   influence and sometimes but I'm also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/288">TS</a>]

00:04:51   seems to be on you know almost a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53   realistic plane but I guess I found you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/293">TS</a>]

00:04:56   know some of the characters harder to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/296">TS</a>]

00:04:58   identify with others the wilson a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/298">TS</a>]

00:05:02   his female characters especially are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/302">TS</a>]

00:05:04   very hate to say not known always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/304">TS</a>]

00:05:07   complimentary and not always as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/307">TS</a>]

00:05:10   drawn as i think i would like we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/310">TS</a>]

00:05:13   very much the idea of Jason's sister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   Diane like speed through the prison of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/315">TS</a>]

00:05:17   prism of the protagonist who is in love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/317">TS</a>]

00:05:19   with her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/319">TS</a>]

00:05:19   so we get her drawn up a lot and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/319">TS</a>]

00:05:22   think that's necessarily always borne [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/322">TS</a>]

00:05:24   out by her actual portrayal is she not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26   Jenny from Forrest Gump I mean kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/326">TS</a>]

00:05:29   weird AC like goats on she's old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31   childhood friend and she's not here for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/331">TS</a>]

00:05:33   a lot of streets caught up in some crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/333">TS</a>]

00:05:35   fundamentalist religion stuff and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/335">TS</a>]

00:05:38   kind of a hippie well and MGM you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40   that's cute which I felt I I like given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/340">TS</a>]

00:05:43   the fact that she was put on such a high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/343">TS</a>]

00:05:44   pedestal i kind of expected more from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46   her like what is he really seen her like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/346">TS</a>]

00:05:48   you know they're there were definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/348">TS</a>]

00:05:49   some sparks of earlier on I guess in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/349">TS</a>]

00:05:51   relationship in terms of like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/351">TS</a>]

00:05:53   she set up to be kind of a parallel to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/353">TS</a>]

00:05:55   her brother but also always like a step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/355">TS</a>]

00:05:58   below him right and so i guess ii you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   know it's hard for me to to sort of see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/360">TS</a>]

00:06:02   her the way that I think the protagonist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/362">TS</a>]

00:06:04   does I've seen this problem in a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/364">TS</a>]

00:06:06   of science fiction novels where there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   a group of characters who started as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10   children and their super kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/370">TS</a>]

00:06:12   I mean you know they're going to span [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/372">TS</a>]

00:06:13   the entire course of the novel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15   they're going to change the world and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/375">TS</a>]

00:06:16   they don't they seem remote from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/376">TS</a>]

00:06:18   moment they're introduced yeah like hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/378">TS</a>]

00:06:21   identified because I mean I mean I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/381">TS</a>]

00:06:22   you guys I mean I wasn't super good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/382">TS</a>]

00:06:24   briefly but yes I guess it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/384">TS</a>]

00:06:27   easier to and you're still wear the Cape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/387">TS</a>]

00:06:29   there is that what they said it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/389">TS</a>]

00:06:30   have a little bit of the width of Endor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/390">TS</a>]

00:06:32   to him right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/392">TS</a>]

00:06:33   yes exactly that's a great compares true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/393">TS</a>]

00:06:34   both characters jerks haha look for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/394">TS</a>]

00:06:39   radar good arguably right like third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41   hurt so the rest of humanity doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   have to live like jerks and enter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/403">TS</a>]

00:06:46   doesn't like died in the corner with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/406">TS</a>]

00:06:47   crystals growing out of his eyes now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/407">TS</a>]

00:06:49   right but where's the spoiler warning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/409">TS</a>]

00:06:51   always people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/411">TS</a>]

00:06:53   hey sorry we've already fired the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/413">TS</a>]

00:06:55   spoiler horn always have to remember to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/415">TS</a>]

00:06:57   put in virtual i only read the first of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/417">TS</a>]

00:06:59   the under books to read it didn't stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/419">TS</a>]

00:07:03   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/423">TS</a>]

00:07:03   this is part of our ongoing the ongoing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/423">TS</a>]

00:07:05   incomparable theme of only read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/425">TS</a>]

00:07:08   first book in any cereal 24 hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/428">TS</a>]

00:07:10   yeah is there any yet tell me about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/430">TS</a>]

00:07:12   second dune book how'd that work out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14   no yeah so Scott know what did you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/434">TS</a>]

00:07:18   I enjoyed the book a lot i did cut i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/438">TS</a>]

00:07:23   agree with Dan most of the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/443">TS</a>]

00:07:24   are not likeable and I kind of found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   them it was the same Tyler time like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/446">TS</a>]

00:07:29   the protagonist of the narrator is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/449">TS</a>]

00:07:32   either well he's the we see the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/452">TS</a>]

00:07:34   from his point of view and he kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/454">TS</a>]

00:07:36   ideal hehe is like a farming puppy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/456">TS</a>]

00:07:40   this family of people who do not treat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   him all that well but he just keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/462">TS</a>]

00:07:44   going back to them right uh which I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/464">TS</a>]

00:07:47   of annoyed me throughout the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/467">TS</a>]

00:07:48   because you know he's he's kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50   most relatable of the characters that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52   are all unrelatable so you kind of feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/472">TS</a>]

00:07:55   for him but then you think why do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/475">TS</a>]

00:07:57   keep going back to these situations with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/477">TS</a>]

00:07:58   these people don't seem to care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/478">TS</a>]

00:08:00   you and he's kinda cold to write like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02   they make a point of that a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   different places in the book of him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/484">TS</a>]

00:08:05   being a little bit removed from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07   world right when he starts going out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/487">TS</a>]

00:08:10   with that woman who is and his coldness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12   it is justified because it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/492">TS</a>]

00:08:15   that woman is a secret double agent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/495">TS</a>]

00:08:18   yeah another one of the female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/498">TS</a>]

00:08:20   characters whose not drawn exceedingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   complement really it doesn't it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/502">TS</a>]

00:08:23   come off well we all know women are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/503">TS</a>]

00:08:26   about sex religion and betrayal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   oh don't forget out we really don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/508">TS</a>]

00:08:31   haha drunk is drunk stupid and what else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/511">TS</a>]

00:08:36   is you've got to have that jaded I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/516">TS</a>]

00:08:38   I like this book but he did the mom of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/518">TS</a>]

00:08:41   the of the up Jason and Diane is a she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/521">TS</a>]

00:08:45   like you're jaded Washington alcoholic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/525">TS</a>]

00:08:48   housewife right with a secret deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/528">TS</a>]

00:08:51   secret that can only be revealed 5% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/531">TS</a>]

00:08:53   before the end of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/533">TS</a>]

00:08:54   yes exactly yeah if she gets a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/534">TS</a>]

00:08:57   Redemption a little bit of the air but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   especially a central casting sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/539">TS</a>]

00:09:02   others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/542">TS</a>]

00:09:02   is one positive female characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/542">TS</a>]

00:09:04   malaysia right here malaysia and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/544">TS</a>]

00:09:05   indianola yes although you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/545">TS</a>]

00:09:07   Malaysian doctor and she is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/547">TS</a>]

00:09:09   she's well-drawn she's fasting this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/549">TS</a>]

00:09:12   my problem with the book is that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/552">TS</a>]

00:09:13   much more interested in the secondary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   characters then the main characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/555">TS</a>]

00:09:16   there's an incredibly strong plot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/556">TS</a>]

00:09:19   some really neat science like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21   really neat ways of like where you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/561">TS</a>]

00:09:23   starting to sound exactly the envelopes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   about for the first time for the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/565">TS</a>]

00:09:26   then once all that's known i'm like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/566">TS</a>]

00:09:28   I really kind of like the Martian or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/568">TS</a>]

00:09:31   like you know that the double-crossing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/571">TS</a>]

00:09:33   betray Roman like she's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   interesting or the fundamentalist guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37   who died in Mary's like he's passing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/577">TS</a>]

00:09:40   bizarre like all those people are drawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/580">TS</a>]

00:09:41   and sketches much more richly if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/581">TS</a>]

00:09:44   realistically than the primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/584">TS</a>]

00:09:46   characters yeah i mean speaking I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/586">TS</a>]

00:09:48   speaking from a writer Lee perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/588">TS</a>]

00:09:49   and that's easier and a lot of ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/589">TS</a>]

00:09:51   right because when you have a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/591">TS</a>]

00:09:52   who is such a major character they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/592">TS</a>]

00:09:54   to be so fleshed out you know just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/594">TS</a>]

00:09:57   terms of their exposure in the book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   have to be so developed and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/599">TS</a>]

00:10:00   three-dimensional to get you to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/600">TS</a>]

00:10:01   be inside their head that it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/601">TS</a>]

00:10:04   tough because you can really see it in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/604">TS</a>]

00:10:05   very close detail as opposed to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/605">TS</a>]

00:10:08   sketches that you get for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/608">TS</a>]

00:10:09   secondary characters which are often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/609">TS</a>]

00:10:10   enough to get you let your imagination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/610">TS</a>]

00:10:13   soar to fill in the rest of the details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15   you don't necessarily have to go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/615">TS</a>]

00:10:16   their home life and like you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/616">TS</a>]

00:10:17   had a terrible childhood and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/617">TS</a>]

00:10:19   stuff you can sort of get an idea from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/619">TS</a>]

00:10:20   them from just a brief you throwaway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/620">TS</a>]

00:10:23   lines and I i agree i think Wilson does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/623">TS</a>]

00:10:24   vary a great job with a lot of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/624">TS</a>]

00:10:26   secondary characters so you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/626">TS</a>]

00:10:28   book does have this interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/628">TS</a>]

00:10:29   back-and-forth device where you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/629">TS</a>]

00:10:33   the infield essentially billions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/633">TS</a>]

00:10:34   years in the future with the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/634">TS</a>]

00:10:36   characters that we we see in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/636">TS</a>]

00:10:39   when their kids and it goes back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/639">TS</a>]

00:10:41   forth and to glens point it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/641">TS</a>]

00:10:43   interesting that the the stuff that set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/643">TS</a>]

00:10:45   in the future feels very different some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/645">TS</a>]

00:10:48   of the characters they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/648">TS</a>]

00:10:49   interesting they're really on the run in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51   malaysia trying to get a boat to escape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/651">TS</a>]

00:10:54   and them and tyler is really sick and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/654">TS</a>]

00:10:57   don't really know why he's sick at first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/657">TS</a>]

00:11:00   and we discovered that very late and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/660">TS</a>]

00:11:04   I'll i really enjoy that time frame a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/664">TS</a>]

00:11:05   lot although it does have the flaw of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/665">TS</a>]

00:11:08   being a part of the story that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/668">TS</a>]

00:11:09   really have an ending right well I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/669">TS</a>]

00:11:12   the structure of the book if you ask me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   kind of i'm guessing it's deliver in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/676">TS</a>]

00:11:18   this sense that it's kind of an arch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/678">TS</a>]

00:11:20   right because both of the things start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/680">TS</a>]

00:11:23   you start the beginning and then at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/683">TS</a>]

00:11:24   end the two narratives meet yes and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/684">TS</a>]

00:11:28   and of course you know there is an arch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/688">TS</a>]

00:11:30   in the book a giant arch a giant art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32   which is symbolic so I think I mean I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   would not be surprised to find that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   structure of the narrative was created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/696">TS</a>]

00:11:37   to sort of have a have a resonance with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/697">TS</a>]

00:11:39   that I'm like that whole development who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/699">TS</a>]

00:11:44   was disappointed by the ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/704">TS</a>]

00:11:45   everyone everyone everyone follows its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/705">TS</a>]

00:11:49   already just what disappointed you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/709">TS</a>]

00:11:50   it i want to do is I was fascinated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   the idea of the bubble and the physics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   that went into it and how society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   reacted to it and like there were so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/716">TS</a>]

00:11:57   many possibilities once they establish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59   that it happened and then as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/719">TS</a>]

00:12:01   started resolving those possibilities at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/721">TS</a>]

00:12:04   as the number of things that it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   collapsed down into specifics they it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/726">TS</a>]

00:12:09   was all really well done but you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/729">TS</a>]

00:12:10   just kind of left with oh okay I'll buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/730">TS</a>]

00:12:13   that and the Martian was interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/733">TS</a>]

00:12:15   okay it was fun to go and terraform mars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17   in the next couple of weeks and but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19   just it didn't seem to add up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/739">TS</a>]

00:12:22   potential that the bubble had at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24   beginning of the book in which turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/744">TS</a>]

00:12:25   to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/745">TS</a>]

00:12:26   it's a universal literally universal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/746">TS</a>]

00:12:28   fidonet wow you want something that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/748">TS</a>]

00:12:33   over haha haha no it's not it's my new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/753">TS</a>]

00:12:37   machines on going over all the gallery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/757">TS</a>]

00:12:39   forward packet network and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/759">TS</a>]

00:12:41   decided I mean the premise again spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/761">TS</a>]

00:12:43   horn long ago was fired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/763">TS</a>]

00:12:45   the premise is that that uh he's looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/765">TS</a>]

00:12:48   for work now the that the that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/768">TS</a>]

00:12:52   yes thank you and I have I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/772">TS</a>]

00:12:55   the premise here is that they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/775">TS</a>]

00:12:57   wrapping intelligent races in this spin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/777">TS</a>]

00:13:00   shell so that they can prepare the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/780">TS</a>]

00:13:04   galaxy of the universe for them in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/784">TS</a>]

00:13:07   way but it's going to take them awhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09   so basically the the robot say okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   we're going to slow you down for a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/791">TS</a>]

00:13:13   billion years while we do other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/793">TS</a>]

00:13:16   and then we'll take you back out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/796">TS</a>]

00:13:18   then party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   it's kind of a pre singularity novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/800">TS</a>]

00:13:23   right like you know your did the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/803">TS</a>]

00:13:26   leaves off at the point at which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/806">TS</a>]

00:13:27   sort of human humanities enter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/807">TS</a>]

00:13:29   what ya popularly called the singularity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/809">TS</a>]

00:13:31   and that's why the ending didn't bother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/811">TS</a>]

00:13:33   me because I felt like you know it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/813">TS</a>]

00:13:36   ending to say and he you know Tyler sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38   of makes his transition into this fourth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/818">TS</a>]

00:13:40   stage of life and you know he and Diane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/820">TS</a>]

00:13:44   go through the whatever-it-is the arch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/824">TS</a>]

00:13:47   to this new world and and humanity makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/827">TS</a>]

00:13:50   the transition to yeah it's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52   an ending but it's still kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/832">TS</a>]

00:13:53   disappointing ending given the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/833">TS</a>]

00:13:54   possibilities that there were at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56   beginning of the book a quarter of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/836">TS</a>]

00:13:57   way through the way in whatever that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/837">TS</a>]

00:13:59   always going to be the case though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/839">TS</a>]

00:14:00   mean like you know when you have so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/840">TS</a>]

00:14:02   ideas so many possibilities and as those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/842">TS</a>]

00:14:04   get diminished I think oftentimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/844">TS</a>]

00:14:06   there's there is there is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/846">TS</a>]

00:14:07   potential for disappointment there if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/847">TS</a>]

00:14:10   I just thought it felt it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/850">TS</a>]

00:14:12   we're going to hang out yeah like it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14   be you didn't bring a book it one day I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/854">TS</a>]

00:14:17   just it's like to get towards the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/857">TS</a>]

00:14:19   moment it's like everything was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/859">TS</a>]

00:14:21   interesting that the book starts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/861">TS</a>]

00:14:22   drain out the Martians killed Mars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/862">TS</a>]

00:14:25   becomes more ordinary you get this sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/865">TS</a>]

00:14:27   of potboiler thing like why they're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/867">TS</a>]

00:14:29   the run seems really interesting until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/869">TS</a>]

00:14:31   you discover that for arbitrary reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/871">TS</a>]

00:14:33   the government is just killing all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/873">TS</a>]

00:14:34   people who have gone through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/874">TS</a>]

00:14:36   transformation you're like well what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/876">TS</a>]

00:14:38   doesn't make sense when they kill him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/878">TS</a>]

00:14:39   round them up using for their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/879">TS</a>]

00:14:40   purposes exist you know autopsy then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/880">TS</a>]

00:14:43   whatever but the like they're killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/883">TS</a>]

00:14:44   them because they're something like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   i don't get it i mean maybe let's get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   little futurist at the end they sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   like dumped a whole bunch of info on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/890">TS</a>]

00:14:51   your like this is happening in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/891">TS</a>]

00:14:52   tempted to do that little thai where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/892">TS</a>]

00:14:54   they get the two narratives time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/894">TS</a>]

00:14:56   together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/896">TS</a>]

00:14:56   there's a lot of a lot of that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/896">TS</a>]

00:14:59   reminded me a little bit of Darwin's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/899">TS</a>]

00:15:00   radio and the sequel to that by Greg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/900">TS</a>]

00:15:02   bear which it's the same sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/902">TS</a>]

00:15:03   which is throughout the book the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   government is sort of this and maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07   don't know maybe there's yeah some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/907">TS</a>]

00:15:08   politics involved here but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/908">TS</a>]

00:15:09   government does lots of things and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/909">TS</a>]

00:15:13   sort of a shadowy conspiracy or there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/913">TS</a>]

00:15:15   they do it out of fear or their Craven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/915">TS</a>]

00:15:16   politicians and you have a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18   story that sort of being driven by kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/918">TS</a>]

00:15:22   of stupid government or politics and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/922">TS</a>]

00:15:26   know maybe that's realism but I i almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/926">TS</a>]

00:15:29   want a little more escapism I guess from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/929">TS</a>]

00:15:33   a sci-fi novel and and 442 just come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/933">TS</a>]

00:15:36   down to the fact that while they're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/936">TS</a>]

00:15:37   bunch of jerks in the government who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/937">TS</a>]

00:15:39   going to want to suppress this or use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/939">TS</a>]

00:15:41   for their own purposes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/941">TS</a>]

00:15:42   I'm not even doing that they just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/942">TS</a>]

00:15:44   to arbitrarily hunt the heroes for nope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/944">TS</a>]

00:15:46   yeah because that's because if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/946">TS</a>]

00:15:48   required for the end of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/948">TS</a>]

00:15:50   well Darwin radio is kinda or the sequel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   to it is it's kinda like that to which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/952">TS</a>]

00:15:53   meant them all down at once it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/953">TS</a>]

00:15:56   good but I kind of like the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58   paranoia aspect in the beginning when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/958">TS</a>]

00:15:59   everybody talks about being paranoid and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01   they're like well I mean we kind of got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/961">TS</a>]

00:16:02   a good reason to be paranoid right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   some unknown force has totally wrapped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   our world and his bubble lookin is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/966">TS</a>]

00:16:07   totally doing something to us that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/967">TS</a>]

00:16:09   don't really understand so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/969">TS</a>]

00:16:10   paranoia seems to make it look I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   talk about borrowing because i know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   did like the book until the ending I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16   thought actually was very strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/976">TS</a>]

00:16:17   interesting and really unique voice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/977">TS</a>]

00:16:19   I was really compelled to get through it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   but like thinking about it now since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/981">TS</a>]

00:16:23   I've got the perspective of two weeks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/983">TS</a>]

00:16:25   write a lot about it I feel like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/985">TS</a>]

00:16:28   almost everything in the book comes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/988">TS</a>]

00:16:29   somewhere else like it really starts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31   feel like a pastiche within the drawing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/991">TS</a>]

00:16:33   main characters like you know i was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/993">TS</a>]

00:16:35   looking up i remember the Commonwealth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/995">TS</a>]

00:16:36   Saget and avoid trilogy Peter F Hamilton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/996">TS</a>]

00:16:38   series that are going on where it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/998">TS</a>]

00:16:41   know portals between worlds in a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:44   kind of sophisticated Society out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:46   hyperion which were talking about with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:48   portals between worlds that's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:49   common but it's still this arch thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   once you walk back and forth between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:52   different places the Ringworld anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:55   think about Ringworld they talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:56   the fourth age business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:58   the Martians life-extending and whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:00   these people become protectors you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:03   they have slightly different physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:04   attributes their attitudes are changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:06   their more protective when he stranger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   in a strange land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:10   yeah yeah this doesn't right Martian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:12   comes through which you can understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:13   the echoes of stranger in a strange land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:15   like that's you know very well and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:16   gets and get out to which is kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:18   nice nice moment where the Martian wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:20   to read all the Martian sci-fi yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:23   it's in there is i mean there's more to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:25   but I I cus i wasn't it was all recycled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:27   or purposely borrowed but at the end as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:29   like that you know this is this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:31   10 or 15 different you know hunks of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:34   different books are you know even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:35   the Kim Stanley Robinson Mars series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:38   where it's like we're going to terraform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40   it's like let's take all of that and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:41   in 25 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:43   we're gonna send these seed ships off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:45   and then if everything goes well they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:46   be settlers there who advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48   definitely another help i have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:50   that there are two great ideas in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:51   book and one of them is what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:52   happen to society if if you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:54   Stars went out and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:55   is perhaps a suggestion that that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:58   generation on the planet would be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:00   last because then the Sun will swell and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:01   that will be the end you get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:02   eschatological been to ya and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:05   the other nice word and the other big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:07   idea here is this time bubble and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09   ramifications of sending people through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:10   it and there's a really nice moment that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:12   has stuck with me in the last couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:14   years since i read it which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:15   there's a slight launch malfunction in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:17   one of the ships that's going to Mars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:18   and it launches like 15 seconds too late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:22   which means that because of the speed of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:25   the time bubble that one ship is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:28   to be like 10,000 years behind everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:31   else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:32   by the time it gets to Mars and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:34   theory the civilization there will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:35   completely forgotten about earth until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:38   these guys drop out of the world even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:40   though they left at the same time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:42   the whole kind of deep time what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:43   means to play off of tens of hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:47   thousands or millions of years and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:48   quickly it happens to the people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:50   in the bubble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:51   I mean what a great idea so it's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:53   great ideas and ya novel can probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:55   suit subsist on one and he has to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:58   what like glitter and glam was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1138">TS</a>]

00:18:59   about like this being kind of a pastiche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:01   I mean I think that's you know what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03   say that and I think well that's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:04   premise for a book right there like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:06   know from the perspective of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:07   Martians who have like going along with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:09   their ordinary little life in a rocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:10   drops out of this guy hey remember us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:12   and but I think at the same time as part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:15   of the galaxy book for yeah I i argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:18   that they know every good for many good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:21   science fiction novels and novels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   arts works in general all build on these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:25   things you know borrowed ideas from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:27   what's gone before and I think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:28   and clearly in this case a lot of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:30   Maj you know by the by the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:33   vocal call outs two things like Ray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:35   Bradbury and and Robert Heinlein and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:37   that stuff so you know that's okay it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:40   okay Scott do you think it's okay i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:42   think it's okay and when i was reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:44   the the book spin the scene where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:48   they're sitting on the lawn and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:49   stars disappear reminded me very much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:52   aiesec asthma short story nightfall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:55   anyone yeah really yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   yes which is a fantastic story if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:59   haven't read it you should stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:01   listening to this and read it right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:02   yes should go back to your childhood and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:04   read it and then come back to exactly so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:07   the premises that this planet has sick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:08   sons and it's never experienced full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:11   darkness and through a confluence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:13   things it's going to go through full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:15   darkness and what's gonna happen so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:16   don't know what happens at the ended the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:18   darkness comes and he leaves it up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:20   you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:20   although i think that they wrote a novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22   version as well that's yes robert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:25   silverberg maybe I don't but I very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:27   doll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:28   well there goes the movie to the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:32   was also dull respectfully so that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:35   another prestigious came through my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:37   and I thought I agree with Jason I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:39   that the the two great ideas of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41   kind of make up for the lackluster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:44   characters and the kind of disappointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:46   ending although i haven't read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:48   second book so I don't know how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50   more disappointing it can be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   mentioned a few people mention the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:53   Martian I think the Martians a a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:56   cool character this idea that we leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:57   we let me fire off these rockets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:59   then like a couple days later a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:01   comes back is the result of this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:02   civilization that's more advanced than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:04   hairs that is the result of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   Rockets being fired off and he's human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:08   but he's been on Mars for so long that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   he's a he's essentially an alien he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:13   looking at us with a with some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:16   amusement and detachment which I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18   was a great bet you know the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:20   history of science fiction that he makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:22   sure and notes that he's infertile even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:23   though no sex occurs between him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   other people huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   but it is noted because we need to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:28   you know that's be set up for future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:29   books that the the two great ideas in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:32   this book and I think you're right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:33   are two great is the problem with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:35   ending is that neither of them time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:36   the ending they're both concluded by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   end of the book you might as well have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:39   just had this arch appear by magic for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:41   all the impact that the two great ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:43   are born out of here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:44   I mean you could have just had it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:46   other than having a MacGuffin where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:48   have to get somewhere in in the indian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50   ocean you know there's no reason for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:52   at all it could be equal that's why it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54   there has been goes right the spin goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:55   away and that's it and now you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:58   now the universe is ready for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1318">TS</a>]

00:21:59   well crap what happens next right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01   that isn't the whole function of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:03   spin that they put your planet in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:05   spin and then they you get to a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07   point they build these arches for you so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09   that you can expand your civilization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11   because one yeah its resources won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   support you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:14   I think that's the idea but the spoon is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16   magic and so the arch could be magic it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:17   could have just appeared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:19   there's no one would argue there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:21   there's no reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:22   and for the spin except as a great idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:24   and by the conclusion of the book it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26   goes away the book would have been much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28   shorter if our kitchen yeah yeah i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:32   that is a disappointing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:34   interleaving plot would have been boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:35   if they were just pretty much waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:36   around to catch a bus against your new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:40   planet this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:41   number 18 in local though it will take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:43   several chapters they could call it roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   will be a picaresque story if i recall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:48   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:49   Wow all the words today this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:53   a no your words i know you guys can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:56   stop with the crazy words Scott we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:59   have you from it much longer do you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:00   anything more you'd like to share about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:01   about spin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   oh uh try to think I think we've covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:06   a life of knows everybody knows uplands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:09   uplands there's another aerostats though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:12   they're not Zeppelin's but the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:13   that's floating the apps and low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:14   altitudes a whole region area of low of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:16   high-altitude balloon technology yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:18   because satellites can't exist so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:20   sort of Zeppelin ask yes and I do love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:23   the fact that so at some point these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:24   giant cube devices appear above the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:28   poles of the planet hiring in space just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:30   like bricks don't exactly know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:32   everyone's freaked out by them and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:34   Chinese decide well why don't we shoot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:36   some nuclear weapons and see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   happens which I thought sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:41   something the Chinese government would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:42   do ya sites to that they actually there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:46   has been a bit i think that has one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:48   the best images of the book in that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:49   when the new kits the the qubit it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:53   the sphere transparent for a while and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:55   they can see the stars wheeling past it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:58   at the rate of hundreds of thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:00   years and that's when everybody freaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   out right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:03   I say oh god what's happening and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:05   they know that time is moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:06   differently although they get the hint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:08   from e-rock with us and there were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:10   Soviet yeah this with the Russian the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:12   astronauts entrants who were up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14   for several weeks and then they come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16   down and it was like no time had passed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:17   and it was like you're crazy Russia's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:20   that's right Luke well I guess two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:22   them died and one survives using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:24   hospital and it's kind of a throwaway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   think I you know I this is not true but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:29   but i'll just say that when I'm reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:31   it I I just written a novel for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:34   first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:35   and i read this book and I thought you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:36   know anybody can write a hugo winner of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:40   this is hugo winner and i don't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:41   that in a mean way because the ideas are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:43   great but the characters that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:45   mean it and the character yeah okay it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47   kind of mean the characters the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:48   character interaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:49   I you know it didn't didn't seem special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:53   it-it-it this is a book that really gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:56   carried i think by those big ideas and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:59   and I can see why you'd be disappointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:01   at the end because it's true they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:02   ideas are sort of played out at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:04   and then it sort of teasing you toward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:07   whatever the next thing in the series is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:09   going to be set in the universe but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:11   not a continuation of a previous story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:14   because that story is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:15   come follow the characters you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:17   care about what and you know the Hugo's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:20   I don't think they base many of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   Hugo's on actual writing frankly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:25   there are well-written Hugo or award [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:28   winners but one this and this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30   particularly poorly written either i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:31   mean you know it's got he can turn a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:33   phrase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:34   I mean sure it's a poorly written I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36   saying that it did it didn't strike me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:37   lot of these a lot of especially the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:39   hugo books but books in general reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:41   I don't think dang you know this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:42   is a is really talented and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44   I don't know if I could ever hope to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:45   write something like that where span was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   like I know how this book it seemed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   me like I understood how it was put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:50   together the structure seems very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:51   straightforward the character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:52   interaction seemed really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:53   straightforward i could see i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:56   could sort of see how it was assembled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:57   and and that was kind of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1557">TS</a>]

00:25:59   that that do this is a UH award-winning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:02   novel and yet it didn't it didn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   like magic right i mean the balls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   like maybe you're standing you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:08   standing will sort of next to a stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:09   for a magic show and you can sign it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11   kind of see what's going on behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:12   scenes but it still makes you appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:13   the another craft that's willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15   everybody else and it's the penn and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:18   teller of Hugo winners it has a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:20   things in common with this terms of hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:21   science we should talk about these this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:23   pair it actually violates the law of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:25   second book is always horrible the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:28   forges got forge of God anvil of stars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:30   by Greg bear so 20 was a 20-plus year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:33   old set of books and the second book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:35   involves I mean it's this thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:37   it's your first parent / scenario in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   second book huge amounts of like physics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:42   and science extremely well-written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44   compelling characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:46   and it has i think there's a similar i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:48   was a bit of a similar feel like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:50   all but hey even like a more more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:53   happening service of the plot but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   I think it might be it could be fun to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:57   talk about those especially relation to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:58   the issue of like good writing strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:00   plot the first the two books a hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:02   winner right name happened I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:07   so I i looked up what the other ebooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:09   that spin was up against in the hugo the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   2006 Hugo's just because I was curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   so its up against learning the world by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:16   chemical McLeod's which I can never just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   loud cloud whatever he's good writer i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:21   haven't read learning the world up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:22   feast for crows by george RR martin ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:25   but accelerometer co-vice charles stross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:28   oh and old man's war by well London is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:34   always better i would prefer i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:36   salty old man's war right now is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:38   book event where is good book but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:41   think that i think that the Hugo's often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:44   you come up with the most original idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:45   and you when Hugo and i have to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:48   the the time shifting between the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   spin membrane and the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:52   universe in the whole colonizing Mars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:54   thing is a fantastic idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:57   I agree I agree any ideas personal line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1677">TS</a>]

00:28:01   right decor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:03   that's what I wanted at two ideas that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:04   the other books only had one that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:06   right account for the heroes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:12   so next up on the agenda is yet another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:18   hugo winner where what we're doing cutie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:20   winners today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22   Hyperion by Dan Simmons which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:27   released in 1989 won the hugo in 1990 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:30   and uh i really i really like this i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:36   really like this book so is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:38   anybody who doesn't love Hyperion except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:40   for the last spoiler horn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:46   two words up I we were the last two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:52   organizations did that they don't there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:54   are more of them haha yeah i got my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:57   opinion is like I just remember this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59   thing we're talking about this an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:00   it's that the stories the story about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:02   the million monkeys where this rich man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:05   develops a computer system this is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:07   back in the fifties that will create you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:09   know every piece of literature and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:11   produces this you know randomly and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:14   sort stuff out it produces the greatest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:15   story ever written except it's missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   the last chapter and he tries to hire a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   writer friend of his to to finish it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:22   I was like that is what I feel about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:23   with Hyperion is like the one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:25   finest most beautiful science-fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:27   novels that ever read I mean doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:29   terrific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:30   hyperion i think is gorgeous sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:33   like the sparrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:34   oh yes which is its image again don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:37   read number two in the sparrow I've read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39   that is horrible but the Hyperion is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:42   such a beautiful lyrical book and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   tells so many different stories each of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46   them as its own voice and tone your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:48   thinking who is this guy where did he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   come from how do you create all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:52   universes this you know all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:53   different planets interactions this it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:56   as if he is living in a parallel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:57   universe it so beautifully described and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1797">TS</a>]

00:30:00   then what came after is so hideous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:03   there's no i don't i don't agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05   that now but let's let's start at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:06   beginning here Hyperion is structured in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:09   a way where there's a framing story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:11   which is these pilgrims going to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:12   time tombs on the planet of Hyperion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:15   then in between they are telling their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:16   individual tails so i guess you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:19   liken it to something like lost its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:20   really much more like like The [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:23   Canterbury Tales where you've got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   individual tales of the pilgrims on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:26   their way that's sort of that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   concept really and it's a and a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:33   i think from the perspective of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:35   ending is that this book is about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:39   stories told by the people on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:40   journey to the time tombs and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:43   get there and that's the end right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:44   because that's not what this book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:46   about it's about it is in a way about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:48   the setup but it's also about the that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50   you know learning who these people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:52   on this journey and as that it is cut it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:55   is brilliant and it is brilliantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:56   written it's not just a bunch of good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58   ideas in this book is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1858">TS</a>]

00:30:59   going with good ideas but it's really s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:02   Simmons is such a great writer and I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:03   actually read some others of his stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:05   before i read this but it's it's just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:08   wonderfully written in so many great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:09   ideas but the ending has the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:11   opposite problem of spin is rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:13   being wound down and disinterested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:16   the character huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:17   you are incredibly wound up really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:19   interested in the characters and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:21   ends there's nowhere to go it's in rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:24   I wanted to throw the book across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:25   room I kept saying he can't resolve this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   in the next three pages he can't resolve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:28   that the next two pages he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:30   resolve it the following the Aryan is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:32   how it was resolved i am actually angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:35   thinking about it it was a beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:36   book and I loved reading it and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:38   from the very beginning just the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:41   and amount of ideas the pre story the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:44   first one that gets told is riveting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:46   all the way through and then you get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:48   the end and it you're you're suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:49   wily coyote hanging over the cliff with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   a little yipeeeeee sign nowhere to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:54   but down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:56   well or or you can read the sequel which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:59   glenwood tell you this is a book you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   have to stand alone object that should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:03   be next should have you had a new law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:05   that assessment Simmons does this too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:07   because i read a book of his called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:08   ileum and yeah i think that I got to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10   end it turned out it was two books it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:12   was one book split into two you get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14   the end of ilium and it's like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   you're not even at the anti-venom all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18   you're like you're like and the battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:20   begun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:21   we-well wait what the yeah and I i gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:23   say i have not read anything by him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:26   sense because i was so turned off by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:28   that approach and yet i did read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:30   Hyperion Books you go into lord of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:31   rings and you know what you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:34   yeah I think I think I knew that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:36   Hyperion was a to was a to at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:38   to book series and I was gonna probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:41   have to read the second i went i wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:43   i wanted to the i went to the broke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:44   cycle knowing what I was getting into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:46   and that I say you know a years-long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:47   investment in time I i read Lord of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:50   Rings and I don't know what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:51   after photo gets the ring it all turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:53   out well though right yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:55   everybody's happy like i was wearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:57   tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1977">TS</a>]

00:32:57   rivendell and then wait a minute photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1977">TS</a>]

00:32:59   gets the ring woods boiler horn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:02   yeah well I think I mean I PS contains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:05   spoilers Lord of the Rings it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:09   Arthur bruised his jaw so Simmons you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:12   know it is this it's the far future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   they're they're always throw in ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:15   like the all thing which is this like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:18   collaboration of mines and of artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:20   intelligences and and they've got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   farcaster portals which let you step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24   through from one place to another which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:26   leads to the natural naturally the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:29   super-rich would have a have houses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31   where each room was on a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:33   planet that is far Kelly awesome that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:36   there would be a river that runs across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   multiple planets and through portals and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:41   we'll take boats down the river how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:43   crazy is that you have to say like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:45   of Simmons is great abilities like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47   can be incredibly self-indulgent writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   and some of his writing I cannot stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:50   is soaked lying and do that but like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:53   best of it is he has you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:56   actually know exactly as background but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:59   he must have been a classicist or he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:00   read everything written before you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:03   the year 500 CEO because his command of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:07   the past is so extraordinary and he can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:09   transmute that into both the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:11   within the novel being aware of the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:13   that the stuff they're living through is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:15   an allusion to the past they create the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:16   river toughest because they call it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:18   this not because they forgot what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:20   means will because that's what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:21   remember but you still get that ringing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   of like you know Plato in there as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   I felt like Hyperion was like a at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:28   final exam for a liberal arts education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   it every once in while you say hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:33   know what that means i get that reaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:34   when i was when i was in school i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:36   like my second year of college some pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:39   hipster thuy band came out with an album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:41   called cloud cuckoo-land and I got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:44   reference to Aristophanes the birds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   I felt like my entire education had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48   justified at that point because I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:50   pop culture reference that eluded to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:52   classical education from some band but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:55   never sides in the where they know file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:56   yeah where are they now file and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:58   that's how I felt really high period may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2098">TS</a>]

00:34:59   have gotten one in ten references but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:01   felt incredibly smug everyday it's john [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   keats he becomes a major character in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:07   the sequel by the way John Key is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09   pretty major character in this one too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:10   well I suppose he is he's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:12   viewpoint characters sequel which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14   strange but disciple and then in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:17   Shrike the Shrike is probably like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:20   tree of pain and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:21   it was around and the Shrike I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:24   again with the eye again with the ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:26   so not only is Hyperion really a set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   really strong novellas I mean they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:30   they're more than short stories so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:32   like a series of novellas with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:34   incredibly strong backbone but you also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:36   have this idea all the ideas and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:37   Shrike is I think of across all four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:41   books even though i really hated them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:43   in crippling the series further and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:45   further its form looks yeah they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   to drink a lot of Hyperion Endymion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:49   rise i'm not going to read any of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51   out of spite of you I well actually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:53   think you might like the fall of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:54   hyperion I liked it and it's guys have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   an ending it is not horrible the fall of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   Hyperion is fine but it's Endymion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   rise and Damien feel like feeble-minded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:02   sequels written by someone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:05   compared to the narrative richness of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:06   the first book but you're right a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:08   those six not the six essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:10   novellas the six tails of the six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:11   characters in that in the book including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:14   one that we actually i had already read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:15   and what was an award-winning novell I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:17   believe all I free remembering serie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   great great stuff and then and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:24   you've got this journey to the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:26   tombs and the Shrike and a strike is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:27   this mythical but not mythical character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:30   who appears and and kills you except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:33   when he doesn't and the time tombs are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:36   one of the things that I really love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38   about this is the time tombs are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:40   unknown structure from the future that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:43   is passing backward in time and then at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:45   some point in the past they will open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:47   contain and they contain things from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:50   future which is just as real head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:51   spinner of an idea that you're watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:53   an object that's traveling backward in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:56   time is a little like a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:57   happen there's a book called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:59   chronoliths by that by robert charles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:02   wilson to its been i think i think maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:04   it is where it's the same thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06   you kind of turn your head you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:07   oh this is from the future and now has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   come back to the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:11   it is like a head scratcher yeah I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:14   everybody make it used is it a visit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:16   weapon your it's unclear who's in charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:18   of the universe you know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:19   uncommon making my snuggle sandwich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   references as my wife but you know in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:24   the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:25   universe there actually is a guy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27   charge of the galaxy and you meet him at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:28   one point is very is very amusing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:31   not quite what you'd expect in here it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:33   like you know there are eventually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:35   remember how far is that series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   novels you understand that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:38   vast powers at work that it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:40   local phenomenon a galaxy found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:42   something that's almost fundamental to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:45   nature itself there's a fight at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:48   of the universe and that's actually if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50   can talk about this little dudes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:51   double spoiler alerts they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:54   problem with the Hyperion payer and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:57   Endymion pair and that you can read this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:59   anywhere you read about Endymion is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:02   he writes the history of red Hyperion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:04   you read fall of Hyperion and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:06   self-contained set of stories then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08   jump 200-something years in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:09   and it's like a whole other ball of wax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:12   and that thing you read in Hyperion it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:13   was so beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:14   well it wasn't really like that in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16   physical description that's in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:17   that physical description was wrong but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:19   you can't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   I understand he wanted to change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:22   narrative but you can't say something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:24   Hyperion that someone physically saw is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:27   now described differently i'm like i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:30   pick up the other book and read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:31   description is the book telling me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   other copy of the physical book in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:34   reality is wrong so that it's i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:37   just say well it's kinda like back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:38   the future to think I i don't disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:41   with a go back over it and like wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:43   second that's not exactly what I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:45   get the reward but I don't think see I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47   gonna argue though and this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:48   recurring theme about sequels letting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:50   you down that it doesn't change how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:52   great this book is no and I think if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:55   go in knowing that it that it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   really have an ending in that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:58   another book required to resolve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:00   tales of the of the people it is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:04   ride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:05   Greg I mean when you agree absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:06   unquestionably it's a terrific book I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:09   just wish there was another chapter we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:11   we shouldn't ones that are not a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13   other book not three months just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:14   more chapter to finish the freakin story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:17   that i started we should set up a list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:19   of ultimately start developing a list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:21   the books like the great not just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:23   greatest you know sci-fi which is hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25   to categorize but it's like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:27   sparrow Hyperion and dune everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29   should read them if they're interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:30   in sci-fi in the least are trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:32   into it like these three books are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:33   introduction to different aspects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:36   sci-fi and they're fantastically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:38   interesting to read that's actually how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:40   I read Hyperion dune is some friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:42   were appalled that I haven't read them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:43   and so they walked me through the hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:45   list instead circle them said this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:47   this one this one this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:48   I've been reading science fiction my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:49   whole life and I hadn't read some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:51   you know towering classics of the genre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:54   here's my review of dune it picks up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:58   after the after the first 200 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:00   starts good at a dozen going to 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:04   minutes but in the desert yeah once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06   using the desert it's a whole different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:07   book sure end of Barrow very Doria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:09   wrestles the sparrow which we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   talk about it some point is it is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:12   the best book I've ever read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:15   however I will say that I think the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:16   hundred pages of it feels like she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:18   realized she needed to finish and get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:20   to a publisher and a lot of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:22   description and detailed drops out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:24   it becomes about about plot resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:26   yet but doesn't change the fact that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:28   love that book it is a hit endings are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   talkin i mean III never look any further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32   than a real Stephenson is one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:34   favorite writers yeah it's very early a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:36   it seemed to have some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:38   congenital ending problem wishes kiddo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:41   crash he said that he right on the hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:44   he said that yeah I don't write I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:47   competent enough writer to write the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:48   ending i intend I wanted him that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:50   he's wrong about that one work then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:52   exactly yeah i mean snow crash is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:54   fantastic weekend i think one of the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:56   of the best books in the last you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:58   30 years but it's just yes that it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:02   great it's great all the way up until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:04   about like the last chapter and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:06   just like wait what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:07   it's over soon okay chase giant screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:10   vital organs destruction of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12   government helicopter chase mafia zodiac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:14   is the only book he's ever written that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:16   is actually a coherent story with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   beginning a middle and an end in sight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:19   and I've ever do that if you take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:21   entire baroque cycle from beginning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:23   finish that it takes one giant story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:25   which actually has a pretty decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:27   ending it talk about taking 200 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   400 500 pages to get going i loved it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:31   you gotta warm up with three guys on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   Twitter page novel to get to the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:35   I've tried twice to start it and I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:37   failed i got a little for the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:39   time it's worth it's like absolutely i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:41   got to be so the undersea and I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:43   all right I don't know what it is worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:45   that I love that I and i also love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:47   fact that I'm more sure to hook you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:49   hook you he said he says you know early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51   on I'm gonna have a big pirate battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:54   and then there's like not that it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:56   nothing to do with basically the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58   the book but you know he throws it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2518">TS</a>]

00:41:59   the beginning to get you hooked a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:01   minutes a oh I'll ride for 3,000 pages I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:04   really dragged out and I was 405 ok now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:07   yeah like two takes that long it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:09   at least halfway through the first look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:11   there I was just like okay now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:13   getting to it and then the second book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:14   is fantastic i thought my favorite of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:16   the entire series but yeah I fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:18   went numb and in the ice storm swept in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:20   and i just had to climb back down I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:22   couldn't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:22   I i well knowing that there's 3,000 at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:25   least you knew there were 3,000 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:26   but we got to the end of this story as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28   opposed to something like Hyperion where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:29   you know you don't know that going in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:32   hurry and it can be kind of upsetting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:33   and it's nice if you're really desperate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:35   for something to read and you're like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:36   there's a drought of books coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:37   that I want to do something you just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   just sink yourself in that that's how i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   feel about that about the george RR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:42   martin I've got that look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:44   fourth book or whatever it is in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:45   series and I'm just that still salted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47   away for a lean time because i know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   it's gonna be forever before regrets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51   next one oh yeah and the best part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:53   that is you'll have to read the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:54   three before you can even read that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:55   you remember what happened doing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:57   people again and and it's funny talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:59   about Stephenson we may not get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:00   Michael shape on today I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   mean neal stephenson I I think zodiac is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   a really good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   Greg mentioned it that I i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   holds together and I think it's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:09   good piece of work and i really like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11   diamond age actually i'm not sure i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:14   think snow crash the first half of snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:15   crash is great but then I feel like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:17   kinda repeats itself until it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19   record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21   really you know sort of skipping it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:22   until it's somebody listen up the needle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:24   at the end to you know the first half is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:26   great and then it kind of falls apart I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:28   wouldn't dug up the big you his first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:29   book and they're amusing scenes but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:31   it's not worth going to find acceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:33   with a brain surgery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:35   it's the one that is likely candidate no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:37   no that that was the one written under a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:39   pseudonym that came later and I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:41   what's called think the student named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:42   off top even break hehe yeah the the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:45   you is written under his name but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:47   something he wrote in college and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:49   satire / parody of of like a mill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:53   college where the it's a like an office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:55   block that the college takes place in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:58   its just one giant building and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:01   were some nice scenes in there were some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:02   really great scenes but on the whole it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:04   was just a big mass zodiac is the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:07   where I i read zodiac after snow crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:08   and I said wow this is great and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10   you know setting the present day in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:12   boston and there's a guy with a red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14   after nice the eco spiderman spiderman i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:17   also learned I learned what to do if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:19   get pc people arity pcp poisoning no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:22   uh-uh shukaku charcoal if you swallow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:26   Germany PCP is not the polygonal port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:29   but know that we see what's there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:32   pollution and the individual dust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:34   yeah maybe right we're just gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:36   along in the book it's pcbs PCB and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:40   chew carpet charcoal which later turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:41   out he was with the accuracy and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:43   learned a valuable life skill from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   book if you have if you hadn't talked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   create ways you can eat some charcoal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:48   thank you tell you can tell by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   backend charcoal charcoal is tasty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:53   alright so we talk about the image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:55   policemen's union woman new yeah I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   refresh my memory on it which is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2697">TS</a>]

00:45:00   about honestly say i'm reading whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:02   you make a peanut you can use it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:03   couple years ago when i read it but I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:05   loved it when i read it it was one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:06   favorite books that you're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:08   recommended to my dad i recommend a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:09   of books to my dad but as he's Jewish i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:12   thought he and in like sort of you re [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14   stuff I thought he would get a kick out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:16   of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:16   yeah so it's and it's it's it 11 Hugo it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:21   is a an alt history story which is why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:26   think it qualifies set in late forties I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:31   believe her early not notice it's is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:34   no it's later no it's uh it's modern age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:36   is elimination day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:38   yeah this is a vergence period is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:40   early forties that's really growing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:42   changes right they create a place for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:44   all the Jews in the world to go because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   Israel is doesn't work is destroyed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:50   so they all end up in Sitka Alaska and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:52   it's 50 years later and there's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:54   these like Hong Kong with a hundred-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:55   least there's a 50-year lease on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:57   space the space is about to be vacated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2757">TS</a>]

00:46:01   which means that all the Jews in Sitka [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:02   are having to find somewhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:04   somewhere else in the world it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:06   a new diaspora and in this there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:09   murder mystery that's told from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11   perspective of the policeman who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:14   working in the last days of this Jewish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:17   enclaves existence if you got to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:20   Shamus if you've got a murder mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:22   you got you got you got to have it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   there's mysticism in it too so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:26   just the old history there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:27   the whole idea of a mystical kind of but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:32   it's just such a well-done homage to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:36   know youryour Raymond Chandler Dashiell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   and Hammett style detective novels oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:42   yeah it's 24 tits or LLL construct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:45   hard-boiled detective story except that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:47   it's got this quacky alt universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:51   setting right which is that I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:55   the fact that the you know one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:57   best writers in the English language is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2817">TS</a>]

00:47:00   playing in John was like this delight me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:02   to no end that he he is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:05   you know you put him on the list he is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:07   would fight to the end of the earth to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09   say that Michael Chabon is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:10   best writers period in the English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   language if not be besties in the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14   five or ten and he writes young adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:17   and sci-fi and think I'm gonna handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:20   even and comic books and things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:21   kind of asked you and mashing up John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:23   Roos and then doing amazing man won a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:25   Pulitzer to ya for kept for Kavalier and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:27   clay would use this is fantastic but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:30   has the same capital and clay has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:31   thing that it stung me when I read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   and it it also stunned me in English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:35   policemen is uh he's not writing as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:38   magical realism is running fully in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:40   alternative world that it creates a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:41   realistically defined world that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:44   parallels real development scattering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:46   clay it's you know it's a comic but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:48   a different duh set of which comic book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:52   heroes became big right instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   Superman it's the escapist and writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:56   that book there's a scene that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:57   remember a time it wasn't showing that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2877">TS</a>]

00:48:00   was just so stunned by it because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02   reading along and he goes to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:03   cemetery and is trying to essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05   commune with his stead have been sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:07   our main character whatever main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:08   characters turkey with is the dead music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:11   magician who trained him and he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:13   he's not going to show up he's not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:14   to show up and he didn't show up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:15   then he turns around there is and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   like oh wow he just want to just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:18   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:19   he took me out of this be no it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21   easter said we're in the real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:22   people die and there's nothing else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:25   then over here is the ghost and the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:27   thing use policeman where you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:28   sort of like this guy is not the Machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:30   he's not the Messiah this is all sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:33   fever dream and and all you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:36   all these political plans and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:38   other stuff going on like oh my goodness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:40   gracious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:41   he is perhaps you may be less i am maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:43   but he has the the scene when he when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:47   the wife of the of the rabbi of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:50   litter alli is recounting to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:55   detective that you know how our son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57   visited her right and the son who is may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2937">TS</a>]

00:49:00   or may not be the Messiah is able to eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:02   she thinks he's overweight woman and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   looks at him again and realizes that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   has no he just made her perceived that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:07   and you like what what is that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:09   you know a godlike power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:11   what is his role in Redemption and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2951">TS</a>]

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00:49:15   hole you know realistic all history into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   something that's like magical realism it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:20   isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:20   Wow and that's the end of that seems the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:25   podcast looks like everyone's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:28   wrapped it right now you have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:30   moment where you bought into the premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:31   and said this is a wacky premise but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33   it's being held [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:34   it's being handled in a real-world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:36   certain way and then there's that twist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:38   where he says ah but what if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:41   right and this guy is was is the Messiah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:44   and uh it's like the end of Miracle on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   thirty-fourth Street and the red calf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   has been born because there's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:51   thing about the breeding the cows to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   the red calf that's truly have a redcap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:55   you know that's really good yet know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:57   that you know I know it's kit comes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:59   in the goddamn spirit as well there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:01   meme the red heifer must be bored the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:04   red heifer the red heifer in in hyper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:07   like nothing amusing that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:10   messiah but not until Endymion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:12   ah but you know shape on the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:16   are great you do have that cannot neared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:19   well the pop and his partner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:24   I mean he's literally you know every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:26   private I you know from hardwell crime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:29   fiction right yeah he's got the ex-wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:31   and you know he's got you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:34   partner drinking problem drinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:36   problem chest problems got a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38   chest problem huh what's got his court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:40   right like every every detective always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   has there there's their little quirk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   i love i love how well that ship on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:47   sort of mixes the the language that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:50   uses in like the the the terminology in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:53   the vocab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:53   very mixing finish with in such a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:57   that it's so seamlessly comes off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   sounding like hard-boiled detective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:02   speak right in the same way that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04   might call it on like a heater or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:05   something like it's a kind of all bleeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:08   together in it totally works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   I just found that it so well done and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:13   engrossing in the way that he just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15   know this is what would happen if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17   had put all these that's very clunky an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   orange people like that in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:22   yeah and there's I mean it that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24   comparison with the the whole you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:27   substituting sort of instead of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:30   Jews having to deal with the a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   Palestinians who are their they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   sharing this land with the Native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:36   Americans yielding all sorts of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:39   obviously parallel disputes and and sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:43   of interesting meshing of the the native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:45   religion and Judaism and all these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:48   conflicts and anyway you know and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50   want the land and so does the American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:51   government right right is reminded of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   interesting things about the setting is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   that the the US government is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:57   said it's funny because of course we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59   have a US government that's a supporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:02   of Israel and has been since it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:04   founded and in this novel the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:06   government is basically telling all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:08   Jews on its soil get beat it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:09   we're done with you get you know it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:11   very stark contrast and the end you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:15   everybody's afraid of being left behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:17   and being essentially stateless which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:20   you know crazy but that's the situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:22   that they're in it such a contrast yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:27   it's me it's a great term as you get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:28   right about that you gotta write about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:29   at some level like the Palestinians or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:32   stateless people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34   yeah but you know with this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:35   unfamiliar place in the Jews to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:37   Israel what things to the Jewish people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:39   are the Disraeli styling pioneers what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:42   did they do to make their state and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   this case they were totally powerless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46   like here's the notes godforsaken place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:48   the frozen north and and you know make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:51   something of it which they do for 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53   years and then then get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:54   mu mu nu no no more red how not the half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3174">TS</a>]

00:53:03   are not the half four different new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:05   alright we're communing with our with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:07   our Judaism apparently if you say so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:10   I'll run that by my wife Paula mentions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:13   written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:14   ah yes now you're speaking German prison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:17   or is it a little a little a little of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:20   both you can talk one way you can talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:21   to the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:22   alright Michael Chabon I'll throw it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:26   their Road up young adult novel in 2002 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:29   called Summerland which is fantastic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:31   features a fairyland where the fairies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:34   all play baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:35   it's always summer time and it is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:37   rotate a strange little book called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:40   applicable final solution about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:43   basically a detective a retired older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:47   detective who may be familiar if you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:48   read a lot of detective fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:50   uh-huh and he wrote he wrote a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:53   novel called gentlemen of the road world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:56   as we truly believe he said he's working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:58   title with something like jews in Asia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:00   and basically an accident it its attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:03   or a ski is an action book and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:05   got swords and they fight and they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:07   you think they're gonna die and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:08   they don't die and you think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:09   gonna die and they don't die and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:11   it's hugely fun I mean that's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:14   about this guy is is his books are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:16   snoozes they are they're all really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:20   so you know I i actually just read his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:23   up essay collection manhood for amateurs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:25   and and that was great too so he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:27   he's one of my favorites and if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:30   going to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:31   I mean I guess you start with this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:32   and you start with the Amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:34   Adventures of Kavalier and clay which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:36   you won the Pulitzer for which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:37   terrific masterwork of a book a parallel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:41   book to that by the way is Carter beats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:44   the devil out nearly the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:46   finish tonight right that totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   underrated book and there are many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:49   things in common I think they're written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:51   almost the same you know the same here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:53   as Kavalier and clay but very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   underrated book again again with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:57   magical realism a little bit of it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59   know a little goes a long way and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   a Glen David gold that's right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:04   rather that I have a copy that i picked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:05   this one of the ones i picked up just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   off a whim you know looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:08   bookshelf and now you know i was at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:10   point had like magicians was a very big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:13   interest of mine and and it looked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:15   has great you know cover and sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:17   this old-timey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:18   Houdini era poster it's just I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:22   know it's something about it intrigued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:23   me and I picked it up and read it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:25   women and it was fantastic i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:27   the two you can pick a better claim one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:28   hand car beats the devil on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:30   and the very next books to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:32   back-to-back they're very similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:33   fundamental nature of the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:36   writing styles both incredibly good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:38   reads all right I that's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:41   transition for me to ask you anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:43   that you've been reading or that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   would like to recommend a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   incomparable list listening audience I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:49   keep putting books down I never do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3349">TS</a>]

00:55:51   and I've been reading books at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:52   suggestion of people on Twitter and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:54   this podcast and I got put down week i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56   could not proceed through weekend was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:59   infamous for something no info quick i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:01   have now you know like I've got but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:03   haven't read way to come by robert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:04   sawyer i mentioned that was a hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:06   nominee and that's the blind as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   blind girl right with the emergent yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:10   internet I having trouble with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   windup girl to I'm partway into that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:13   I know we talked about that before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:15   it's very it's good it's very difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:17   time finding it's such a it's that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:20   the parts of snow crash or like the era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:22   the diamond age like this is well where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:23   there's parts that are so unpleasant and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:25   gritty actually parts of the girl with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:27   the dragon tattoo same thing it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   you're like man if I can get through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:30   this part maybe I could read more of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   but i'm not sure i have the wherewithal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:33   to like get through all this incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35   gritty dirty sweaty awfulness but i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:38   try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:39   alright Dan i just read spin some kept i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:46   can't recommend this book enough but I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:49   just bought a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:51   um I know it's exciting i don't usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:54   buys i usually get stuff out the library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:56   but i just i had to head to finish been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:59   so i have been able to read this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:00   that i bought last week which i bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:02   at a book signing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:03   while i was previously california by one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:07   of my favorite it's not my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:08   author was a woman named Lois McMaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:11   Bujold write science fiction and fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:13   and this book is the latest in quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:17   series called before cozy Gonzaga which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:21   is kind of a space opera / got pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:26   much everything like her books what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:27   greatest for books running run the gamut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29   in terms of genre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:30   of them are sort of more space adventure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:32   ii some of them are war stories there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:33   are mysteries romances like it basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:36   follows one particular character through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:39   his entire life and she said during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:41   reading that I went to that she is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:44   much modeled after CS foresters Horatio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:47   Hornblower series and it definitely has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:50   a vibe like that but it's all set in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:52   space anyway sushi just released the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:54   most recent novel in the series which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:56   called cryo burn which i'm not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:58   read it because i was finishing spins I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00   could talk to you guys about it so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   sitting there on my desk taunting me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:05   report back on that next time i will but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:08   i will say anyone who is not read her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:09   series of foreclosing so i got i highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:11   recommend it and where we start with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:13   that one of the wall so it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:15   tricky because they're there's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:16   a pair of books that she wrote first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:17   that deal with the parents of the of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:20   person who goes on to be the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:21   character the rest of the series but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   you would like to start with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:23   Warriors apprentice which is depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   on how you look at it the first or third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:27   book in the series and believable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:28   available as a free book it's available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30   as a free even gonna baney library which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:33   is one reason i suggested friend is free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:36   first ones free mmm first book in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:38   series issue except unless it's Hyperion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:40   are doing or something like that after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:42   pay for it i forgot one we ever got one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:45   how to live safely in the science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:46   fictional universes always reading it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   am reading that too and we will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:49   talking about that a future podcast i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:51   assume perhaps so by Charles you i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:53   reading that right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:54   fascinating it is very strange yes or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:57   strange book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:57   Greg are you reading anything i'm kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:59   of impressed that I got a quiet hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:01   just to record this podcast my own would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:04   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:05   anthem has haunted my nightstand for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:07   what two years now but it on my right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:10   side is holding everything down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:12   that's true that's helping i will read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:13   anything Neal Stephenson rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:15   including like in the beginning was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:16   command line and mother earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:17   motherboard and I just haven't been able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:20   to get to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:21   I for this twice and I was surprised the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:23   second reading held up very very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:25   and I actually in some ways liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:27   better because it was less confusion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:29   suspense about certain things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:30   confuse me and suspended me the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:32   time every time i'm confused by a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:34   that i enjoy i'll go back and reread it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:36   just because you're not so hung up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:38   the details of what's going on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:40   you're taking in the bigger picture i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:43   reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:44   I i am reading how to live safely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:46   science fictional universe i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:47   finished blackout by connie willis which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:49   is recommended by Dan more'n the sequel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:52   to to Hugo winners actually to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:54   nothing of the dog and domesday book but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:56   I in the theme of today's show it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:59   really one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   really one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   half of a larger novel or the good news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:04   is that the part second part all-clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:06   came out this week or last week but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:10   gonna get get ahold of that recently and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:12   I knew that going in so i knew i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:14   sort of going to read have to see me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:15   call i was much better than when I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:17   not know that and in like got closer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:19   closer to the end of what is actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:20   pretty large book yeah I'm started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22   thinking how that hello they ever gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   get active and it's funny because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:26   you can sort of see where it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:29   with the science fictional aspect of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:31   plot was behind where his story but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:32   is a historical it's really a historical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:34   novel about the London Blitz that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:35   happens to have some time travelers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:37   are witnessing it and you see it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:39   their eyes but it's not i mean this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:41   point of the story is that different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:43   aspects of people living through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:44   Blitz and it's good but it's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:47   not your rollicking time travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:49   adventure it is much more a a sci-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:52   novel that's really a historic it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:54   little more in the vein of the domesday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:56   book in some ways yeah out of the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:59   note is I think we might discuss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:01   discussing anthologies and short-story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:03   collections I've read in the last couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05   years I've read a few amazing collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:07   of short stories by scifi writers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09   often don't write full-length novels or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:11   they're probably not their full-length [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:13   novels are not as well regarded as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   short stories and then maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:16   entertaining to discuss i agree in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18   i I read a short story collection i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:20   thought was maybe was it in with DES [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:22   Greg recommended to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24   Greg NOS was it you that depend on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:27   island yeah yeah i did i did like them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:30   yes it was me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:31   well then what was it do you remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:32   that thing you know with the guy with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:34   the guys that too is terrific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:37   oh man I can't remember it now it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:39   was really great by a seattle-based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:40   writer it might be is it that he had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:43   story in there about someone who the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:45   story about the guy who said there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:47   mirror that you can step through and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:49   back in time or forward in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   depending on when your army I go and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:54   that was a wardrobe mirror anyway I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:56   alice in wonderland in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:58   and this is not a game show you going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:00   get me a calamity circus sounds like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:03   not the internet read the other book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:06   that I read was the disappearing spoon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:08   by sam keen and I recommend it highly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:11   is popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:13   science nonfiction and it's a book about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:16   the periodic table of the elements and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:18   let me just say every element has at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:22   least a chapters worth of wacky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:24   historical anecdotes about it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:28   takes this kind of this veering bouncing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:30   around the periodic table to tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:32   about various scientists who learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:34   great things before they died young from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3754">TS</a>]

01:02:36   horribly poisoning themselves with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:38   various elements that the time the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:41   disappearing spoon refers to an element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:44   and I can't remember which one now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:45   it's it's a metal whose melting point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:48   it about 70 degrees Fahrenheit so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:50   can craft a spoon of this metal and stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:52   stored in a freezer and then you serve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:54   it with tea and somebody's tries to stir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:57   their tea with it and it melts in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3777">TS</a>]

01:02:59   tea and they go I and and then everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:02   has a laugh and then presumably dies of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:04   heavy calculate something that'll give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:05   you this but seriously that's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:07   that's a murder mystery there I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:09   have loved that book I write these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:11   ladies it's too late to Sammy Sam keen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:13   has already read it slide right i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:15   recommend it in in sort of a bill bryson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:17   style of its light and fun and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:19   everybody dies is all great but it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:22   some great great stories in it so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:25   disappearing spearing check it out if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:28   you want to read about elements because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMa4Rsmg/3808">TS</a>]

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