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that is Jango Fett minus boba fett but
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that's adding reasonable people can
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reasonably disagree on that there's a
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generational thing that right here's
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angle that is like what if we took Boba
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Fett and made him just even more awesome
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by expanding his character and of course
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it's my son with Jango Fett for
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Halloween last year his argument is vice
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city has two pounds and are coming out
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that really would you rather have two
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guns but I think they're kind of not
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looking at guns or one really
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cool-looking i'm more of a one cool
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looking down the type guy like you know
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just wait
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the incomparable Todd test at this
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little date October 2010 with Jason's
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now and marlin and special guest john
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you know the funny thing is I i asked
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you guys here today to talk about
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raiders of the lost ark and while we
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were waiting to start recording
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John was pointing out that his son is
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watching The Last Crusade downstairs as
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we speak which i would put second and
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then the list perhaps but really ok
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that's me
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I know you love that one I actually
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thought you might have put it first but
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you put at second base it's a close one
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but i think you know the Raiders is
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probably the superior technically
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superior of the film's I i love Raiders
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I was really sad when it came out on DVD
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and they wanted you to force you to buy
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all three movies together because to me
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raiders is just so much better than the
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other two and I like I think the third
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1i think i think last crusade is is good
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but Raiders there's something maybe
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there's something about it I don't know
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every time I go back and try to look at
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them though I still think that that the
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first one is the best one
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my son is six and he he got on a big
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Indiana Jones kick
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I don't know about two years ago years
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ago whenever we first started watching a
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man and bring up probably honestly you
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know that the book of good parenting
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probably too young to be watching them
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but and I watch them a lot when I was
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younger too but having watched them
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again and many many times and just even
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just stop thru as mosis by having a kid
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on Saturday afternoon watching it again
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and again and again just in you know i'm
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not even watching it with them every
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time but I've seen them a lot recently
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all of them and it just it it's just one
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of those things were my mile long time
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feeling it just has reiterated every
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time the Raiders to me it stands apart
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it's not even it's not that did the
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other ones aren't good but they're not
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even the same type of movie because I
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think all the ones after i think the
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other three temple of doom and
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definitely Last Crusade and and that the
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goofy one the Crystal Skull they are
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Indiana Jones movies you know there's
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like a formula and he's indiana jones
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and it's like making a James Bond movie
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whereas Raiders it wasn't it was like
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they didn't even know what Indiana Jones
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movie is which is interesting too
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because when they did we release them on
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DVD they change the title because it
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used to be when it came out it was just
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raiders of the lost ark and then it's
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now if you look
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I think it's officially indiana jones
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and the raiders of the lost ark to like
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on the labeling yeah to fit on the label
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yeah but i just want just go look at
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netflix because i just did a minute ago
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and it will not come up if you just
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search for i typed in Raiders and I
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couldn't find it and I want huh i typed
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in Raiders of the Lost Ark and the
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autocomplete was indiana jones and the
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raiders of the lost ark at least they
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didn't retouch the credits they had the
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credit still are that old you know kind
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of like real old republic cereal credits
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that just a raiders in big letters of
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the Lost Ark they didn't sort of redcon
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the the title in the film itself but all
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the packaging they did and you know I
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don't know there's like a i
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don't--there's like a certain visceral
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miss to it that it isn't in the other
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ones because the other ones are Indiana
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Jones movie i'm gonna steal this from
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from our friend John siracusa who I
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think mentioned this but some point when
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I was tweeting or something about
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Raiders before that one of the
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differences and am definitely feeling
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this from him is that because the other
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ones are Indiana Jones movies you know
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that Indiana Jones isn't gonna die
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whereas the Raiders that's it's not even
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clear like you know what if you've you
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know watch them all 20 times you know
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that but like the first time you saw it
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there wasn't even a certainty that he
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was going to make it out of it you know
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that it was the beginning of a franchise
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you know it didn't feel like it was just
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a movie about this guy on a crazy
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adventure on the way it starts you know
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he's he's a mystery at the beginning
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right i mean for the first five minutes
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three minutes of the movie you just see
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him in shadow and or just his back or
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just the back of his head or just his
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hand with the whip and it's it's only
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three or four minutes in when he steps
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out of the shadows and into the light
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you're like a high terrorism forward and
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you know it's not one of those
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portrayals of like here's our hero you
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know him you love him
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it's this who's this guy you know Izzy
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Izzy bad but he's kind of he's kind of
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menacing and quiet and then you meet him
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as opposed to any other movies I think
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it's just like hey there is it's our
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well I me and then the sense you know
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the other two movies and three if you
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will are all four still live up to that
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first one to write I mean like John says
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it you know became sort of a formula at
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that point well how do we emulate this
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movie that was so great
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and it's well you know let's try to
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follow some of the things that we did in
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the first one but they're never quite
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going to live up to to the original
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source material as it were
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well the last crusade is the most
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obvious attempt to replay Raiders right
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i mean the second one is to be credited
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for trying to be different the third one
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it's like well okay we're going to go
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back to the Nazis and we're gonna have a
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religious artifact right and i think
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it's salvaged mainly by the fact that
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the the sean connery Harrison Ford
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relationship is just fantastic but yes
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it does go back to the same well if you
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will then full snakes that well there's
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a bunch of things though about Raiders
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that ma'am and I'll even go this far and
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I've said this NP i say this to people
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and I'm a fan of all sorts of movies i
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moved you know love serious series
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movies in addition to you know sigh fine
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adventure type stuff
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honestly I mean this is totally
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straightforward that I think Raiders is
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the best movie steven spielberg's ever
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made I think it's one of the it's one of
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the greatest movies ever made not just
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in the in terms of action and stuff i
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would hold it up there as one of the
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easy top 10 movies ever made
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maybe top 5i really i ate technically
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it's just so well done it so well paced
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it's it is original in ways that I
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everything I mean you know the opening
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that just I can't say enough good things
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about it i was watching it this weekend
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and in preparation semi preparation for
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this and I was reminded actually couple
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of things i was reminded roger ebert
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writes about how before he lost his
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voice he would he would do these
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sessions with citizen came in front of a
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group where he would they would posit
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anybody could just shout pause at any
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time and they would look at the frame
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and talk about it and I thought I
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actually think Raiders could withstand
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that level of scrutiny
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yeah as I was watching and I was
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thinking you know even every the economy
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of it every shot every line of dialogue
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has a reason for being there some of it
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really not obvious at the time and and
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and doesn't feel obvious but at
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everything you see the reason the monkey
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is there the conversations that Marion
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has when she's closing up the bar the
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drinking the drinking scene which seems
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to just be about her character until you
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see her do it again in the desert with
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Belloc there's so much there that is
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perfectly every shot is there for a
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reason and you could really take it
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apart and the other the other thought I
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had when I was watching it is it's old
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enough now because it was made in what
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1981 yeah sometimes 1988 it's old enough
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now that it feels like a classic movie
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and instead of being of its time I look
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at it now and I think I feel about this
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movie like I feel about Lawrence of
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Arabia except actually liked this movie
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more than Lawrence of Arabia so I I
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think you're right I i would say it is
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one of the best movies and and it might
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be Spielberg's best it doesn't have a
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lot of Spielberg he's got a lot of
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things that he does that are kind of
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kind of sappy I'm kind of over played
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there are a few of those things in here
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i think at one point in the monkey
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actually goes 0 which is just like come
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but generally I think you're right yeah
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and then that whole class of filmmakers
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those you know the Lucas Spielberg
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Coppola you know that whole seventies
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generation went through this whole thing
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and it was fantastic what they did I
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think I mean it's you know everybody
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realizes the seventies were a fantastic
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decade for movies and I think we're
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traitors is a little bit more like one
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of those seventies movies then the
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eighties you know I think it feels a
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little bit more like something from the
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end of the came out a couple years after
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but it was like of that you know whose
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it was to this genre what star wars was
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to science fiction you know well I think
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about the Godfather the right is what
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the Godfather he's a mobster movie right
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and yet it's got all this praise right
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was so what those guys did is they took
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the genres that were typically schlocky
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but they loved them and had good things
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about them and so what if we did them
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straight guy what if we did what if we
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with good production values and we cast
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you know the best actors in the world
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you know Marlon Brando in a gangster
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movie alec guinness as as the the you
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know the wizard in Star Wars and play it
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straight do all these things and do
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these you know these things that
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typically would look terrible real goofy
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action you know bad bad special effects
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on a soundstage let's do it straight and
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I it really stands out whereas all the
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other ones i think you know they come
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across is doing an Indiana Jones movie
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that I think is lacking for the other
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about like the monkey like theirs
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there's a lot less you know I think a
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lot of people who drive last crusade
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especially focus on a couple specific
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characters into caricatures specifically
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saleh and Marcus who both are in the
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first and raiders you know are both very
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you know serious presences yeah right
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and great characters and then it in in
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Last Crusade they become the comic
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relief especially Marcus yeah especially
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Marcus it's the terrible what they did
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to that character but I mean and I and I
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can definitely see that in some way that
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the Raiders you know can get Raiders has
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genuinely funny moments without relax
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relying on things that are you know
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bumbling comedy you know for example I
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mean one of the best games of all time
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in that movie and of course in a movie
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full of great scenes is the scene where
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you know Andy's chasing Marion through
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the marketplace when she's in the basket
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and the care of the crowds part and the
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guy comes out with a sword and you know
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does this cool like flipping his sword
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around whatever and and and he looks in
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for a minute and pulls out his gun
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shoots it and it's just such a it's a
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great moment of of sort of you know kind
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of darkish comedy but it's not it
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doesn't sort of fall back on cheap
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tropes it's unexpected which is what
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makes it so funny right
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doesn't seem implausible seems like
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actually why not it's actually I'd like
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why do you ask the question why wouldn't
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you just shoot right right exactly
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you know the backstory behind that right
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yeah that's he got sick right nuclei in
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terrible diarrhea
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yeah and so then they did it there's a
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reference to it in Temple of Doom they
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sort of do a call back to that because
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there's a minute where he goes for his
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gun to shoot a guy and he doesn't have
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it so he does he whips the sword out of
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his hand or whatever
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yeah there's the the only the only
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moment in the whole Raiders that I think
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is often wanted the the monkey stuff
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like I think maybe stretches it but
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doesn't go over the only thing that I
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think is off is the scene on the boat
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where Marion flips the mirror around and
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hits him on the chin and it cuts to
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outside it isn't even cut well it like
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cuts to outside the boat and Indiana
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Jones screams in pain and she just goes
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what like she doesn't know what happened
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like if you it doesn't make any sense
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like if you swing a mirror like that and
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hit somebody you know you hit them you'd
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feel it you know on the mirror is the
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only moment in the whole thing that
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that feels off to me would you say it's
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like they needed a a a comic relief beat
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because they were really smack between
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two sections of the movie and that
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supposed to be a romantic moment with
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Marion and indie before that the final
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act kicks in but the mirror hitting him
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in the chin isn't this is slapstick and
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it is a little slap see i love it though
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I there's something about that scene
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that that I think is I mean yes the sort
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of reaction never quite made sense but
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at the same time I love that right the
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scene is good i love that bit yeah
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there's a scene early on that I really
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appreciated and watching this movie
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again you talk about taking this movie
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and playing it straight these genres
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pictures like The Godfather and star
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wars and and raiders and I love a scene
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actually if you have a broad comedy the
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scene where where we cut from the jungle
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to the college and India is giving his
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lecture and there's the girl and this is
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supposed to be the thirties and there's
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the girl with i love you written on her
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eyelids which I thought I'm know that
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that seems kind of wacky for the
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thirties but anyway the scene where he
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gets called by marcus into the library
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basically because the FBI men are there
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asking about this naughty telegram that
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mentions a bit rate Ravenwood and as
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they're discussing Tanis did you keep
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dropping all these bombs that that we
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don't understand what they mean and it's
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tennis and Ravenwood and the Lost Ark if
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you watch that scene you look at just
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look at harrison ford and denim Elliot
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looking at each other as these guys are
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reading this dialogue it's amazing
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because they are they are basically
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underlining all the things that are
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important in that scene with just their
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eyes glancing at each other because you
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know that these two guys and you get the
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sense immediately these guys really know
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what they're doing
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Tanis development preceding choir
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headpiece staff of raw Abner Ravenwood
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us Nazis of discovered tunis just what
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does that mean to you panic
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well city of tennis is one of the
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possible resting places of the Lost Ark
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the Lost Ark of the Covenant the chest
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the Hebrews used to carry around the 10
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commandments anybody making managed to
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let the Ten Commandments is the actual
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Ten Commandments the original stone
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tablets that Moses brought down out of
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Monterra and smashed if you believe in
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that sort of thing you guys ever going
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to send a spoon
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however an Egyptian pharaoh mission yes
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invaded the city of Jerusalem run about
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980 BC may have taken the artifact the
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city of tennis and hidden in a secret
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chamber Holy Well of Souls secret
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chamber however about a year after the
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affair would return to Egypt the city of
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tennis was consumed by the desert in a
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sandstorm which lasted a whole year like
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clean by the rules of obviously we've
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come to the right man I i would argue
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that might be the best plot explication
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scene ever I know they're unaware
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they're rolling out that entire plot
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with all that backstory and it's
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gripping and one of the reasons i think
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it is just because Harrison Ford and
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denim Elliot are looking at each other
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and you you realize you're not just
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watching a download here you're watching
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really smart people understand what's
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important in the download right and the
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whole thing and it play it also yeah
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it's a great acting you know it's a
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great cast great great scene it's even
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in a beautiful room just that big big
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huge wake up on a stage
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yeah it's like a giant lecture hall or
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something they really make any sense
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that they have the meeting there but
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it's great and then there's that there's
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a blackboard though and you can use it
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to diagram and you kind of it also gives
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you a better feeling for Indiana Jones
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as a professor because instead of being
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in the middle of some boring lecture is
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not really even into all of a sudden
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this is when he's really into it you
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know and this is his research right like
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and we're his class we the audience get
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to be his class and he's telling us
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exactly what we need to know it is it's
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it's a great explanation and it's sort
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of like that the old a
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adage about how to give a presentation
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tell people what you're going to tell
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them tell them and then tell them what
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you told them
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indian Marcus they interrupt each other
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down and and talk over each other and
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finish each others sentences and it's
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done in a way that brilliantly by I i
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guess i should say by Lawrence Kasdan I
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wrote the screenplay and then and by the
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actors in performing the scene you're
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informed about their entire relationship
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really in that scene based on what they
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do that you know Marcus knows as much as
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indie does and he's very enthusiastic
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Marcus is happy to let him because he's
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back at the college now india's roaming
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around he's happy to let him finish and
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tell the story because he's so
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enthusiastic about it it says so much
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about those characters just in the way
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they interact and something else i
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noticed about it is it sets up Indy as
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as a non-believer because this is a
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movie about a religious artifact and at
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several points the the government men
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talked about it and talked about the ten
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commandments and andy says if you
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believe that sort of thing and it's very
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clear from the stuff that he says her
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throughout throughout the movie even
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leading up to the to the end where the
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breath of God is made manifest is that
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he doesn't really believe in that stuff
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he sort of in it because the stuff is
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old and valuable and cool and not
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because of the religious significance it
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sort of doesn't mean anything to him
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which is interesting given what ends up
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happening and it is also good it's you
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know if part part screenplay part acting
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part direction it's all of it all the
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way that movies are all those things
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combined is the way that their
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conversation between each other with the
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interrupting is clearly that they are
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both experts and they respect each other
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right and when they're talking to each
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other they're not really there they know
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that they're talking over the other two
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guys heads and when they talk to the
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government guys there they're talking
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down to them not necessarily
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dismissively but we know you guys are
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idiots but that's helpful to us the
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audience because we're that we don't
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know this stuff either
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the other thing too about that scene is
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I've always thought that it it just the
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whole thing seems totally credible like
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like duh
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didn't you ever learn this in in bible
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school but you know the headpiece to the
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staff of raw and and all this stuff it
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all seemed you know you know the Ark of
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the Covenant is an actual
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biblical artifact but then all the other
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stuff to me and all all seems totally
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real like it gets to buy into the entire
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premise right that somebody ought to be
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able to actually do this somebody if if
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somebody actually discovered Tanis they
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should they should be able to find the
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map room and if they had the headpiece
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to the staff of raw they could they
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could find the Ark of the Covenant and
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and you know the elements that are there
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of the supernatural I think are so well
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played in terms of being at least up
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until the very last scene they're very
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subtle and I think that's yeah I prior
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to the very last scene i think the only
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indication you get is that one scene of
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the arc on the interest in the hold of
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the boat where it with the rat where
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it's like robbing or whatever and you
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see the rap like getting pushed away and
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then they see the Nazi symbol like
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burned off of it later but although
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thatthat's just these little touches
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that like it's still not mean that's the
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part where you start thinking okay this
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is you know a little bit more out there
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but up until that point everything does
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seem very well we like India are very oh
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written that I agree and it's part of
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the story it's part of what makes it
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great and and there's yeah it gives it a
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sort of why are they even why they've
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know it is quit is a cool artifact is it
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worth it to go through all this there is
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another scene where I'm the lock is I
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guess romancing romancing Marion in the
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tent where he talks about the ark as an
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artifact and i was i was tuned into it
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the arc in front of it because it's got
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the power of God which always seemed
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very strange to me because I other than
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mercenary although you know I guess at
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the end when it's revealed that he too
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has this hope that it's religiously
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powerful but only because he can use it
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for his own purposes so he sort of more
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of a believer than indy but much more
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cynical about it than India's well he's
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very advantageous to and we see that in
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the very first scene with him to write
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where he gets the idol and he takes it
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name is it you have to go after it
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go after indie and so I think there's
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clearly an idea that like in these kind
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of in this for you know knowledge for
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for his own sort of curiosity where as
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bella is really interested in in getting
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power and I think that I mean it's again
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it's kind of summer but it sets up
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blocks character perfectly like when we
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see him in that last scene why is he
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doing this well we can kind of
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understand that like this you know we've
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sort of seen his behavior in this in
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this example before there's a great
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really are there in the cafe in cairo
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yeah and right and Andy thanks Marion is
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dead and he's been drinking and he's
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basically gonna it ended
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he's like willing to go out in a hail of
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gunfire and what is what struck me about
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it and watching it again is that it
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could have been written so badly and it
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isn't unlocked is your typical sort of
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villain speech of we are so alike you
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to make you like me and the the wrong
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way to write that scene is to have it
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mean I'll never be like you and you
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don't understand and you and I have very
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much alike ecology is our invention that
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we have both fallen from the pure faith
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methods are not different as much as you
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pretend I'm a shadowy reflection of you
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don't take on a nudge to make you like
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me to push you out of the life now you
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get nest you know it's a nice look at
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this it's worthless
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ten dollars from a vendor in the street
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but i think it and buried in the sand
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for a thousand years it becomes
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priceless black the armed men will
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comfort you and me I think though I
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think that part of it too and i agree
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that you know and and that happened
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hundreds of movies before and hundreds
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after the the you know we're not that
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you know there are two sides of the same
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coin speech from the bad guy to the UK i
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think it's cool in that 10 because it
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act i think it actually is sort of true
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well there's that too right that he
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doesn't he doesn't respond and he
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doesn't deny it right it actually is
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true because and that's one of the
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things in a lot of these movies of of
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that John you know Star Wars is one of
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them to what yeah but where there's
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multiple bad guys it's not just one dr.
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evil guy at the head and a bunch of
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no-name of Stormtroopers underneath
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there's a couple of bad guys so you've
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got taught you know the Nazi with the
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burned hand who's sort of the boogeyman
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bad guy like there's really just
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irredeemable I mean he's just sort of
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like an evil evil guy who's you know
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willing to burn people's faces and and
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stuff right don't wanna buy you some
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wine and truly are pretty travel and
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he's lazy he's yeah he's not well he's
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are scrupulous but he's not evil right
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and these obsessed most with getting
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these artifacts and that's sort of
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indiana jones' thing too is it's just in
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it to get the artifacts you know and
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like you said he's not really a believer
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he doesn't really care it doesn't even
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really it never really seems to even
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cross his mind about what if the are
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really is what legend says that it is he
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just wants it in fact they ask you know
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you're going to give it to Hitler and
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he's like well eventually but like he's
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going to take it for himself and i'm
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hitler you know I'll deal with it later
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what about your boss their fear I
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thought he was waiting to take position
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all in good time when I'm finished and i
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love that India's willing I mean like
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not only he not only are they not that
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different in some ways but you know in
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these response in that in that scene in
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the cafe is basically like i am going to
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kill you and and you know they're gonna
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kill me so let's just do this right like
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that's not exactly what you expect your
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good guy to do right left
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I mean and i love that line that that
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line about you know he says Jones do you
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realize what the art is it's time to me
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that it's a radio for speaking to God
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and it's within my reach you want to
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talk to God
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let's go see them together I've got
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nothing it's just I just love the way he
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drives at home like you know what I got
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I have nothing left you know you
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basically taken away everything so I
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don't have it handy I should have
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probably but somebody could probably
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google it I don't remember who wrote it
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but somebody wrote a blog post i think
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it was in the last two years might have
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been too much which who writes at a good
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filmmaking weblog just analyzing that
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scene and the editing the camera angles
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and and when they cut and what you see
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of that cafe where you know Andy thanks
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Mary instead and he meets Belloc and
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he's rescued by solace kids and it is
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it's you know and he just goes through
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shot by you know like like sort of like
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Woody versus going you can just go
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through shot-by-shot and it's just one
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set up after another and it's just
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perfect the next the next scene after
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there are no throwaway that's one of the
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things about writers there's no
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throwaway scenes every scene has
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something that you can talk about yes
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sure I actually noticed something when I
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was watching it i watch some of it on
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the bus coming into work this morning
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that I'm there are these scenes that
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scene is set up by the scenes of the the
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guys that sort of Nazis in their suits
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blocking some alleyways that leads to
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the whole basket chase and all of that
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right and you know there aren't very
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many of them and it's sort of unclear
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there's not a lot of detail about who
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they are it doesn't really matter you
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know that there's a guy with the eye
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patch and their the Nazis in the suits
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and then they were there they're walking
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down the corridor and you know that
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essentially it's going to corner Indian
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marion and lead into this entire section
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of the movie and it's it's so economical
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and it's all it's all necessary stuff to
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drive it along and and the scene where
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the where we're solid sort of cheering
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indie up and it and explain about the
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the headpiece where the monkey is is
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eating the poison dates and dying that
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scene is has a lot of amazing shots
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including that last scene which is
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almost like the requiem for the monkey
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which is shot from above the ceiling
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looking through the fan down to the dead
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monkey with its hand open and the date
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on the floor it's like you know that
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scene isn't so vital that it needs
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did and an amazing piece of of setup and
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yet it's amazing anyway it didn't need
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to be amazing but it is just a monkey
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right every scene stands is like a
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little short film great i wanted to
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bring up Karen Allen allowed because one
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of the things that's really interesting
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about the next two movies and and of
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course they ended up bringing your path
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for but for the Crystal Skull is the
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next two movies i feel like and i think
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there was I think there was a falling
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out or something where they where she
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wanted more money or they have this
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famous lesions fieldwork I think didn't
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get along or something yeah because boy
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those next to movies seem desperate to
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try and find a way to replace her and I
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don't think they do I think they fail
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and I think that they're weaker in some
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ways specifically because Marion isn't
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in I think you're right she's so great
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but at the same time yet they can't find
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a worthy file right so in in Temple of
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Doom we have cake tap shah which who is
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probably stands alone is one of the
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worst just I that she is just terrible
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in that movie which is which is
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unfortunate but i always thought last
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crusade did a fascinating twists on that
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which is in that you have the the
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character of Ilsa
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whoo-hoo turns out of course to be evil
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and in fact dies at the end of the film
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which is kind of just this fascinating
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like you know it's like you know I John
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reference the bond movies earlier and
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bond movies kind of usually have this
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formula of there is usually the bad
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woman a good woman and then good woman
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that's really kind of insignificant and
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I thought it was just it was such a
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fascinating set up to have this woman
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who you can think of
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she'll get redeemed right because she
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she gives indie up to the Nazis as well
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as dad and in the end she really doesn't
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and kind of only serves as like a
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character lesson for indy in terms of
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you know not not getting obsessed but
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you're right that Karen Allen I think as
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Sir Marion is the de facto you know
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she's I know if you want a soul mate but
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like I think that's the idea of bringing
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her back in the fourth one was that they
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had a report in a chemistry that that
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was totally unmatched by anything that
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we saw and it was a really original
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thinking and casting I mean I think it's
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half half Princess Leia and then
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half making it even better so with with
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Princess Leia you've got this character
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who is sarcastic sassy uses a gun you
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know now on the other hand she's still a
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princess
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you know I still think that's sort of in
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hindsight sort of a goofy thing you know
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that you know you gotta rescue the
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princess it's like little a little corny
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but you know the way that the carrie
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fisher character is not what you think
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of as a sci-fi princess at all at least
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pre Star Wars know if it's lucas did
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the undersecretary for agriculture right
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between unions as good as she gets right
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you know she's like he keeps up with
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guys right she's not a tough but she's
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not quite as much of a tough chick is
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Karen Allen is but she's right yeah
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Karen Allen has the same you know that
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the she's not demure you know she's not
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a shrinking violet she's not there to be
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rescued now and and then exist you know
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think think exactly like what's-her-name
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and temple of doom
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kay-kay capture capture right Kate
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Capshaw where Kate Capshaw's you know is
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that to me is actually the obvious way
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to do it where you've got this woman
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who's completely helpless and I know
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that they played it for comedy and and
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you know that you couldn't do anything
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and she was worried about breaking her
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nails and you have to stick her hand and
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the bugs and all this stuff and she was
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scared of all this but that's the the
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more obvious way to do it you know that
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that the the woman is real girly and
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needs to be rescued and you know the man
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is the guy who does everything Karen
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Allen is total opposite and then you
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take it to the other instead of being a
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princess she's she's really in desperate
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straight to the beginning of the movie
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she's living in Nepal running a bar
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running a boring her money by i'm having
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a drinking contest right she's in a
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dirty ball barn apology don't have
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enough money to get back to the United
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States and
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and you know as you know severe when
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she's drunk she's drinking big guys
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under the table right through which I
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mean what it what a welcome for your
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heroine right right right and just you
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know and just the whole way that I
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honestly it's probably my favorite scene
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in the whole I don't know it's hard for
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me to pick a favorite thing i love the
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movie so much but the one that I can
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recite every line from his is taught
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coming tom is his henchmen coming into
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the bar
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good evening for line the bars closed
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here we have not testy when you want the
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same thing your friend dr. Jones wanted
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Shirley told you there would be as
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interested parties must have slipped his
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the man is the various I hope for your
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sake he is not eating planet
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why are you willing to offer more almost
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certainly
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but she's so you know it is not it
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you know who who who is the woman like
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that movie before you know it's like
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nobody I mean there were tough women out
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there were some great characters played
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in the old war movies which clearly
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Raiders withdrawing from great
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absolutely not just from the serials but
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it drew from those new war movies you
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know with the Bogart and Bacall I mean
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there's definitely a lot of lauren
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bacall oh absolutely Aryan but those
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those movies from like the forties and
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fifties they were they were head you
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know they couldn't they couldn't push it
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that far in terms of what could a woman
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do you could not seen in the bar with
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Indian and Karen Allen gonna be bogart
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and bacall oh absolutely no internet
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practically the models right out to have
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and have-nots and you know even the way
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it's lit and it now its color not black
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and white but it's it's almost
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monochrome with those real warm tones
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from you know where all the light is
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from actual like fire like a fireplace
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and right handle and it's all and it's
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all shadows and the shadows throughout
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this movie I mean it's one it's like the
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look for the shadows the next time you
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watch it its it's hilarious this movie
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is all shadows but in that scene that's
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where the shadows of the most obvious
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india shadow when he walks in during the
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gunfight ensues people shot with in
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shadow just their silhouette is getting
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shot just amazing the lighting in there
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i'm not even i'm not really a great
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visualizer of things just close my eyes
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and imagine what it would look like but
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I I can you can actually it's easy you
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can just imagine that scene in black and
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oh yeah I can you know 1940 start over
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right that's my favorite scene and it's
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not because it's the one and it's it
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they do such a good job with the
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introductions of all the characters you
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know like you said like at the very
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beginning of the movie when you're
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introduced to indiana jones and it's
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this long the serious tease
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well here's your introduction Marion
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first the drinking contest then you know
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the Nazis come together and she's not
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afraid she's not afraid until they've
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actually got a red-hot poker about to
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Scarface up and it's a great
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introduction but she's just she's not
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what you expect is the heroine in action
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absolutely not and even casting wise
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she's she doesn't look like you know
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it's not the is she's not that she's not
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an attractive woman but she's not like a
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bombshell she's not the
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however that woman as you play Elsa and
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in the third movie poor allison duty who
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never never really did anything else
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you know she just doesn't even look the
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part in another way that they subvert
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the whole the whole heroin hero
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relationship is you mentioned you know
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she's not your usual kind of heroin
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where you gotta rescue her and all that
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but there is in fact the scene in the
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desert where indie comes into the tent
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discover she's alive it's great here to
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rescue her of it and again he doesn't
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rescue realize our backup think thinks
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better of it ties her back up there
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doesn't it puts his blade away puts the
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gag back on her and says I'll see you
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later and leaves her and then of course
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she's almost you know tortured again i'm
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at after that so it which is it's just
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amazing it's like what am I watching
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here the hero is found found the girl he
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can rescue where he's like but doesn't
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that is so we battle without the whole
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the whole thing with with indie right is
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that even though he's set up to be our
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hero think about like you know if you
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look at his track record right like in
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the movie he doesn't do such a good job
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right he makes it all the way through
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the damn temple and then you know Belloc
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takes the thing away from him he's
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scared of the snake in the cockpit you
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know like he's constantly doing these
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things which are probably not like you
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know the real is like crack the Well of
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Souls they crack the Well of Souls is
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this great moments like me haha we've
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got Hitler and then it gets kinda looks
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down he's like oh well nobody's ever
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seen when they open up his neck so the
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the the atomistic comes out its like the
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this hasn't been opened since biblical
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times and he looks down he's like how
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snakes right it's like completely I mean
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and I think this again about like the
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another great scene i think is that
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scene where he has a boxing match with
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the big huge Germany I it was going to
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get scrapped but basically does frequent
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you know it kind of like you see him
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going into it like sighing like a man i
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just gonna I'm not gonna win this one
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any punches the guy right like once and
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like purses and you know and I mean I
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think in some ways he's kind of the only
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the only other film character i can
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think who takes that level of abuses
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like John McClane in the die hard movies
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with the yoga's we have this great like
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15 minutes
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chase scene which is just a
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fantastically shot chasing where he's
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all of you know jump and run over the
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trucks and getting dragged behind the
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trucks and everything and I
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yeah i think what's great is that you
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know he's he's kind of indestructible
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yes to that certain extent in the way
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that that all good action heroes are but
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he doesn't it's not all about him just
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like beating the crap out of everybody
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right like he got he shows the we're
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right you should run out of the car he
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gets punched by a bunch of Germans he
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gets dragged behind the car for a while
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I mean he really has hit points don't
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come back
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exactly and I mean I love and that of
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course is the setup for that great line
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in the scene with Marion it's not the
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years it's the mileage which is just you
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know I think one of those years sums up
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Indiana Jones kind of in a nutshell i
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love Raiders so much more than the other
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movies and I just don't think they
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really stand up that much what but there
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is some stuff that I like about them and
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I do think they sort of have like an
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interesting arc 11 interesting aspect of
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it is this angle that he doesn't get
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what he never gets what he's actually
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after until Raiders because and it's not
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obvious it's only after like read the
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actual you know thing at the bottom that
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the beginning of the movie but Temple of
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Doom is a prequel not a sequel right
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takes place a year before Raiders and he
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doesn't get it doesn't end up with those
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stones either you know he never comes
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back with what he's looking for the main
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thing I mean I guess he could have kept
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the stones but he gave it back to the
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the villagers or whatever and then you
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know he's in Raiders and he goes after
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that I'll at the beginning and blocks
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steals it and then he doesn't get to
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keep the ark the government takes it
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away but it's like that's that he went
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and got it for them you know they kind
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of had it in writing get to keep it but
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they got it is like what redeemed him
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and then the next movie it doesn't get
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too greatly there and again no no not
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really no it was an open with the
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granite rocks at the beginning Ross and
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then he when he gets back home and then
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then he has this line races to Marcus I
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got it Marcus
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I got it it's like now because of
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raiders he's a guy who gets the things
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he's after right and then the lesson of
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of two of that movie is supposed to be
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you know where he is dad says let it go
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you know that there's it you know the
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lesson is there some things that are
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more important than getting
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the thing I mean presumably if he hadn't
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listened to his father he would have
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slipped and fallen into the crevice to
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bike by trying to reach that that grill
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that was like a fingertip away but I you
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know but i had to me the more telling
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part is that he got that cross he was
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after in the opening adventure and he
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doesn't get the the one that he doesn't
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get the diamond that he was after he
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doesn't get the idol doesn't get the art
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but now he gets the cross so I you know
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that's interesting you mentioned the
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that he doesn't get the ark me and the
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government gets it and of course there's
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the famous scene at the end with the
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with the warehouse which is one of my
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favorite things in any movie maybe the
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best ending to any movie ever
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yeah uh it's it's okay this is it really
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is the best I mean it's just
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unbelievably good next time you watch it
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they look look at that again this we're
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going to come back to that seen with
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with Harrison Ford and gentlemen Elliot
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up on that stage talking to the
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government men at the beginning and I
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think it's actually right after that the
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government and leaving their they're
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toasting their success at at somebody's
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house in these are or for Marcus's i'm
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not sure which and there's a moment
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where andy says you know and they said
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would they said the university gets it
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the museum gets it when they're done
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with it the ark and one of the great
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moments i think really well played by
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denim Elliot is he sort of make some
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noise and goes of course and i look at
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that scene and I think he knows that
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there's no way the government's going to
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let them keep it and he's kinda lying to
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indy I think I think he's just sort of
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like stringing him along and saying I
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don't want to break this guy's heart but
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what are the chances that the government
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is really going to let us have it and of
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course they don't
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at the end it goes in the it goes in the
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box is being studied by top men top men
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yeah such a great ending all that exists
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that your hero has succeeded and it's
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hard home MacGuffin and and and then it
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gets put in a box to never be spotted
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again extend till they make a fourth
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movie that has an entire scene set in
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the heart Harrower Howard's line reading
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on that is is so good and when you need
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to says who
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your country a great service and we
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trust you found the settlement
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satisfactory for the money situation is
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totally unacceptable gentlemen I guess
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that just about wraps it up
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where is the arch I thought we settled
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that the r is somewhere very safe remove
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the r is a source of unspeakable power
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and it has to be researched and it will
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be assure you dr. Brody back to Jones we
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have top men working on it right now
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top men you know began its spoken by a
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guy who knows the top men
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yeah right like if I'm not right like
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who you raise it
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there's a certainty to that that the
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only guy who actually is a top man who
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top men it's it's just I mean I I think
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about that was thinking about that
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earlier in terms of just overall from
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the first and we talk to you know we
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mentioned several times there are no
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super flu shots in this movie but I
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really think from the first shot you
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know as the paramount logo basically
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gets like cross faded into you know that
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mountain all the way up to the warehouse
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shot at the end like I mean there are
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few movies that have both such an iconic
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opening and an iconic closing and that
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really from start to finish are just all
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like a plus perfect like shots
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so we can't can't go
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we haven't mentioned the music at all oh
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yeah did you were listening earlier to
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die in fact I listened to the entire
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score today just to just to get in the
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right lane and I was thinking about it
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because it occurred to me at one point
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that i actually thought I'd there's a
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queue in another film score by james
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horner which i think is is almost
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clearly an homage to the Williams score
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in the scene where at the very end of
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the scene with the ark there's this
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great like dissonant like you see all
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the spirits coming out of the ark and
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then in one of them comes right up to
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the camera and then you see it basically
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turn into this horrific ghost and the
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music turns all discordant and very
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jarring almost almost reminiscent of the
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the psycho theme by bernard herrmann yet
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and I think that James Horner actually
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has a scene in the movie The Rocketeer
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there is the score to that which also
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involves Nazi Zeppelin lose everyone and
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which a Timothy Dalton villain why
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jetpacks away and then he blows up or
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something and I think that there's a
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scene that looks own very much in the
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shot of it like he's coming right at the
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camera and then you seem sort of turn
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all horrified as you realize he's not
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going to get away and it blows up in the
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music changes and I think that movie
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actually if i recall was also directed
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by a Joe Johnston who I think was
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Spielberg's second unit director on a
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lot of stuff i remember if he worked on
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Raiders as well but dan must everything
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come back to the rocketeer with you
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not everything but many is it is a great
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score it is end and I i hate to keep
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saying the word economical but but the
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core of it it does a lot of different
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things but that core theme medium just
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think that's famous is is great but
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there's a lot of other great stuff
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oh the Ark theme Marion's theme I mean
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it's you know it is advised with the
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Star Wars movies as Williams best score
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i think of all time probably I think I
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liked it better than the star wars
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scores don't say that stuff on it it's
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really you know it's it's I would say
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they're on par with each other they're
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so perfect i think that they really help
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especially in these movies with they
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just feel so right and they're so just
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just emotionally on cue that they make
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the preposterous feel more real right
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it's somehow the way that's the star
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wars the end Star Wars is clearly the
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more out there scenario i mean the whole
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thing is you know laser guns in outer
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space and and stuff but it somehow makes
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this preposterous premise feel real and
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raiders is absolutely got that you know
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there's I don't know it's it's it's just
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a fantastic day and it's great perfect
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music and it's the best music of all
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four movies
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oh yes that's that that's a little true
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i mean i think in it from its a movie
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it's so good in the way that you can
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listen to it from start to finish just
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the score and have the entire it's like
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a story the whole thing is just
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laid out for you and I think it really
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all the q's do such a good job of
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reflecting the various moments I mean
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and punctuating them along with the
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scene changes i'm thinking particularly
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of the the scene towards the end where
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they are sorry in the round most second
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act is where he they get out of the well
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souls and solid comes up its appointed
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they're loading their loading it onto a
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truck and Harrison Ford goes what truck
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and then we have this cut into the into
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the beginning of the chase and that the
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queue there is just as its setting it up
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i think it's just perfect
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india and we have no time if you still
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want the rock is being loaded onto a
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truck for chiral from what truck
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and totally hear that same sort of
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change from this we've we've broken our
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way out of the well souls which has this
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very sort of creepy ominous music into
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this more fast-paced action music and I
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think you know William's manages to run
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pretty much the whole gamut from from
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romance to action and back again in in a
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fantastic score just great
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the the Ark theme gives me the creeps
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even now and the end it and it it
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doesn't even mean just the ark to me
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it's sort of like this kind of ancient
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scary old testament wrath of God kind of
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feeling like don't mess with this it's
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it would be bad right
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uh just it's not for people and it plays
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over solace lying about how perhaps the
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ark was not meant to be possessed by man
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it's like blue it's it's chilling and
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then of course there's the great
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playback in in a temple of doom where he
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sees a picture of the sets at last
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crusade always that last cruise in the
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catacombs I'll guess what it is yeah
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that's right yeah that was just for a
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yeah it was a great a great little bit
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what is that Ark of the Covenant only
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thing i don't like about it is that and
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they do the same thing in the when it
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goes by and that the crystal skull one
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right when they go by that box they play
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the same thing but both times it's cool
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because I recognize it and you get that
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thrill of being clever and a big enough
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fan to recognize the what's that called
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when they do that it comes from term
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comes from a motif
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yes a motif her you know and then and
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then there's an instant sadness where
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you think this movie sounds good
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yeah yeah there's only the one monkey
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and raiders of the lost ark as opposed
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to the tribe of swinging monkeys and the
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Crystal Skull I maintain that would have
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been a better movie if so like Sean
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Connery's characters afraid of rats
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Indiana Jones afraid of snakes if if
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Sheila boss character had been like
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deathly afraid of monkeys monkeys why'd
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it have to be monkeys like that that to
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me would have allowed that opportunity
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is all about let me tell you it would
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have taken it from a very very low
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rating to a slightly less low ready yeah
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and thank you for reminding me by the
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way that the last crusade has upland in
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indeed of course at that that raises it
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in my estimation
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just there one of the things that's
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interesting about Raiders of the Lost
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Ark is that it was the highly promoted
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collaboration between Steven Spielberg
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and George Lucas George Lucas shares a
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story credit on raiders of the lost ark
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as well as a producer credit he didn't
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write the screenplay and this is back
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i'll say this is back in the days when
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you'd see George Lucas name in the
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credits and you'd be like you George
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Lucas as opposed to an hour it's more
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like a turtle focus but it's interesting
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that this was a collaboration between
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these two figures from the late
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seventies who had incredible success
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with blockbuster pictures and this this
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was I mean talk about you're setting
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yourself up for failure right i mean how
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much hype could you get for a movie that
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was like the return of the great
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adventure with the tagline and Steven
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Spielberg and George Lucas it's Star
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Wars Close Encounters jaws it all
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together in this one thing with Han Solo
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is the star right and you know how high
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the bar do you have to set and yet they
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they pulled it off in fact more more
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than perhaps they ever would again this
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one that they really did hit it out of
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the park in and whatever Lucas
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contributed to it you know it's it's a
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good contribution because this was a
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great collaboration and of course I
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think Lucas tried to block Harrison Ford
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i think at first because he was on
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Selleck for yes Tom Selleck impact
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screen-tested was it was almost the was
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almost heard it was almost Indian Jones
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I think Lucas didn't want to because he
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was already tied into Star Wars there
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like I'm a weekend getaway from that but
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I mean obviously it would have been a
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very different movie with Tom's epic I
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don't even know if it's true it's it
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i've never been able to find it actually
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attributed to and who knows maybe
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somebody else but there's a one of the
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quotes i have from stanley kubrick is a
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ninety-percent of directing is casting
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and I never been i don't even think I've
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so you can't it don't go around quoting
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him on that because i had maybe a
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pocketful but it rings true though that
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it's just the most important part of
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directing a movie is picking the right
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people for the rules
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well when you think about writers you
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you think about not only Harrison Ford
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and Karen Allen but John rhys-davies and
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denim Elliot I mean it has some great
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actors doing some some great work who
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plays Belloc I don't know the guys name
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Pope Paul Freeman paulina and he's great
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he hits it right
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right on going and as John said told the
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guy who plays tote who I cannot name for
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the life of me but is such a fantastic
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bad guy you know and that and you know
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there's anything you need to have a
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claymation character dies at the end but
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there's something to that whole you know
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even picking the another carrier the
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actors who are not necessarily a list
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names but are perfect for those those
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roles that are so important because it's
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so much you know they bring so much to a
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role which may only be a secondary role
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but it somehow became an iconic part
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nonetheless right well I'll say that
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i'll give that to last crusade is I
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think there was really good casting last
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crusade not just Sean Connery but even
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like Julian clever you know yeah there's
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some good
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there's some good actors and in that
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movie too is it here's another good
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thing to say about writer so whenever we
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go on three hours on this we may have to
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do a sequel
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I hope it's better than the raiders
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you'll never be as good I think you can
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argue that then Raiders and is that this
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this goes to the story from Lucas in the
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screenplay and it you know so credit to
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Lucas and and Larry Kasdan but yeah but
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the whole thing everybody is smart like
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there's no like the bad guy wit plot the
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bad guys don't do anything stupid and I
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can't you know I can't say how much that
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is unlike almost every other movie in
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the genre you know and and including the
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other movies in the Indiana junks series
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you know nobody ever does anything
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that's stupid and block it block is is a
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perfect example of it the lock never
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really does anything done Bieber quotes
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gene siskel I think about the about hit
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the complaint about the idiot plot which
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is if your plot has to require somebody
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to do something just outrageously stupid
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that they shouldn't do there's something
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wrong and I don't think I see that in
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Raiders I i agree with you
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alright the way that that Indiana Jones
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pursues the Ark is smart and you know
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sala is smart you know even you know a
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great example of that is is the the
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thing you said where when he first saw
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Marion didn't have thought she was dead
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here's it she's alive and then he thinks
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it through and realizes we can entire
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because they don't know is there right
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it's smart it's like he's you know
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they're I it's like that throughout the
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whole movie the only thing you could
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argue in
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is dumb it's not a character being dumb
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it's just like the only corner they
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painted themselves in story-wise is the
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house ND survive on top of the submarine
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uh-huh that's the one that a one-time in
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the whole movie that they painted
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themselves into a corner
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all they need to do is have a have a
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like you know I assume that there's an
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action scene that we don't see where he
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like overpowers the guy at the hatch and
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and tucks himself in under the hatch and
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there is there's a shot of that I think
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of the filming and but i think it may be
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of a scene that was cut in which he's
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holding onto the periscope and I can
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kind of see why they would cut that like
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he's he's standing on it over like on
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the water and holding onto the periscope
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i believe there may be a cutscene of
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that but yes I can i yeah that is one of
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the sort of like I'd rather an engine he
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fights his way just into the and hides
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in the in the sub maybe they never go
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underwater
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that was my thought you got a sub you
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got to take it down right i mean why do
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you were you the u-boat captain if you
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don't if you're not talking to us to
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vote which they actually say dive the
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u-boat well then here's the thing though
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they weren't they weren't at war yet
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worldwartwo is still years away so it
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wasn't like they needed to to submerge I
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think you can i don't know i don't i
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don't know what standard operating
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procedure is for a for a German sub in
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1936 if they always out under if it's
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more taking the command to dive though
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they do injure in in the bad and i will
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say this the German somebody took high
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school and college German the Germans
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and greater speak high school and
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college camp it's not the best German
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and the Pali boy
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in the comic book app adaptation he and
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I you know who knows i think i think
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that the Marvel guys just got to do that
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on her own but they had him lashing
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himself to the periscope with his whip
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it could be from the screen player or I
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have some some some sketches that we're
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done that we're never shot right either
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the either that's either that's what
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we're supposed to believe in the comic
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book guys exposed force or the
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comic-book guys had the same
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conversation we're having right we got
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it we got to figure out some kind of way
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that he could be on top of a sub for a
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couple you know for this trip
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the the stupidity of villains and how
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and how we don't have a lot of that I
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that one of the things I like about how
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the movie ends is that in the end you
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know you don't defeat the villains
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because of their stupidity they defeat
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themselves really mean it and he doesn't
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win at the end what happens is that the
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not the evil of the Nazis and the greed
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of of the Nazis and a Belloc is what it
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destroys them right and and it is that
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fruit from steven spielberg you know
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Jewish filmmaker making a movie about
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Old Testament stories that starts out
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very with his hero being a non believer
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in the end that's sort of what happens
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at the end of this movie not to get all
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kinda highfalutin about it but in the
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end it's the it's the evil in their
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characters that that lose the day for
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them not something that our heroes
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goodness ducks right our heroes goodness
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is close your eyes right and ride it out
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I like that and and I do think that's
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why it resonates so well and it's it is
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in fact what most action you know
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popcorn movies whatever you want to call
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them you know good guys versus bad guys
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movies implicitly want to argue that the
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good guys going to win because he's good
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and good wins over evil but plot-wise
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it's always the good guy wins because
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the bad guy does something stupid or
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foolish whereas this one it actually is
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the good guy wins simply because it you
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know it comes down to actually being
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good right it's this that right i mean
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because the Nazis them Nazis they get it
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right they get the ark they're ready
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they've sort of one right until that
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point they've taken into the secret
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island but they still pay the price
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so raise lost i guess we liked it i get
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a thumbs up
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well I want to thank both of you John
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and Dan for for joining me and we should
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do this again sometime this was a lot of
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fun we should have a second the second
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one we should be what we talked about
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everything that's wrong with the other
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Indiana Jones movies and that would be a
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sequel worthy of the original right I i
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would have to watch them again now but
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you can seriously you get a wet i think
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we spent like 20 seconds talk about
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what's wrong with raiders of the lost
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ark we could we could spend four hours
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talking about what's wrong with the
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other one
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you know I actually haven't seen temple
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of doom since i saw it like on VHS right
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when it came out on VHS after exercise
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in theory opening is good the open china
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is the first half minute opening I seem
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as happy and I talked about this on the
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phone this podcast last month that I've
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seen the opening on cable and up to the
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point which wich i said i love up to the
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point where they jump out of the plane
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yet it's actually great and I don't and
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there's that moment with a nice trial oj
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and then close the door and latch onto
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the plane right i love that and then
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they did when they jump out so I can you
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know that's an accurate yet you get the
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movie wednesday and Aykroyd not allow
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che but these the the no but he's the
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guy yeah the guy you like gets in the
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booking on the plane
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yeah i'm jumping out of that plane is it
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it is the quality of the whole series
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it used to be up here and I did right
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here as they're jumping out of the plane
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Jericho circuits that and they pass a
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shark on the way that that's the crystal
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thank you thank you very much mr. screen
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pump yeah that was a lot of fun
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alright that's it
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[Music]
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we didn't even get to the debate about
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who's better boba fett jango fett so
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we'll have to Jonas grouper argues that
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it's django right my son says you can't
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that's right he's got two guns who
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yeah that's a convincing argument I
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think nothing made me happier in in
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episode 2 then 3 a boba fett backpack
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rocket launcher go off which is a
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references that episode 2 right which is
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that in reference to the the recall
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that's the toy
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yeah because they went much shoots right
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that that class almost enough to make me
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like Jango Fett the best but I I'm i was
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born in the seventies so it's got to be
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boba focus the best you know what the
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universe is one thing I know we're
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talking indiana jones i was just
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watching empire strikes back with with
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my boy the other day and when Luke first
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gets to best been and he's you know Han
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Solo has already been frozen he's been
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wheeled away he's coming down the
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hallway Boba Fett is with those best
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regards and they've got on levitated
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there they're pushing him down the
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hallway
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Luke season duck's back weights and then
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he goes and boba fett notices you had
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you know never moved didn't turn his
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head but of course is both fat he knows
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that Luke Skywalker's down there he's
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there he's waiting he takes a shot at
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him and almost hit him almost shoots him
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right in the face it like hits the wall
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right next to his face
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imagine how this Darth Vader with a
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witness over that would not look at the
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face to go ahead and pay you for for
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Skywalker I paid you for solo right man
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got him
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it's just that all of the what if
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something had gone slightly there who's
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just imagine how pissed are faded set
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this whole thing out
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imagine of people with that she had Luke
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enough it's aight i assume you
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enough it's aight i assume you
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in the robot chicken star wars yes yeah
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John is that that that strikes me as
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being a bunch of guys who have gone
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through everyone if like all of us have
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in Star Wars and then and then it ended
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up animating them which is why i love
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those those two so much is because it is
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everything that I always ask myself Who
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how do the little black boxes on wheels
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get around and who's inside them and the
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answer is there's a there's a mouse with
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the flask of alcohol inside
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also I IRA had an idea for a short film
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called Vader and son here's the here's
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the pitch the pitch is it's it's Luke's
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Luke is let's say two years old what
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maybe one year always gotta be I get
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more like a baby so it'sit's soon after
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the the third movie ended right and and
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you see Vader he's in his little
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meditation chamber and he suddenly
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thinks about like let's and I still
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don't know what the quite the MacGuffin
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is but he thinks is something back home
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on Tatooine from his boyhood maybe it's
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3pl right he decides to go as Darth
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Vader to tattooing to get Threepio and
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boom he finds Luke cut to something you
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know like and Peru saying as he's taken
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away like where's where's hope you want
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cut to the cantina and there's obi-wan
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he's just an alcoholic and that's how he
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knows that it's a wretched hive of scum
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and villainy is that ends up Toby well
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what we want to do that during those 20
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years right that's it that's what did
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you what did he do I say he was drinking
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right so Vader it takes Luke away and
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take them to the Emperor and the Emperor
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hold him he's a baby and says he can
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destroy me i have foreseen it right and
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then all the sudden spate babybaby
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Lupe's on the Emperor and while the
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Emperor's distracted Vader to cut them
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down and now Vader and rule the galaxy
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as father and son right and he's a
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little baby that that is the
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oscar-winning short all over it
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I think pixar were to do that so baby
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Luke isn't properly diapered now he's
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just Vader Vader obviously has no idea
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about how to be a father so he's just
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got a naked baby rhino diaper anything
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so that you can just spray right on the
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Emperor or maybe like it's like a bad
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sadly diaper diaper that falls down
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while the Emperor's holding like I
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imagine the Emperor holding I'm sorted
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by the pits like in front of them you
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know from what he doesn't know like
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chief of protocol of the Empire would be
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like Oh Emperor was just looking at the
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baby and he says that he can destroy me
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i have foreseen it and he does because
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it's while he's distracted better cut
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them down
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out of the mouths of babes not the
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mouths friend i drive-a kids I don't
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know how that works it could be it up on
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on on the Emperor to I just think there
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would be a great dad little hardcore
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certainly a lot of hardware be a lot of
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fun i think you have a lot of fun i mean
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yeah i probably pretty strict but need
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to be a lot of upside to it you have
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failed me for the last time you did not
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take out the garbage
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I find your lack of bathroom hygiene
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disturbing great look like imagine this
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imagine your looks right so now it's
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that happens when Lucas like what you
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know there's nine months old or
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something like that now you know couple
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years later Luke's in kindergarten now
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imagine your loops kindergarten teacher
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and later cums in a parent-teacher it's
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too much homework they shouldn't have
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homework in kindergarten right
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give them a little force around the neck
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it's an old Jedi mind trick
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this has been the incomparable podcast
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yes it is finally over there is exactly
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in comfortable dot-com
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