The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► comfortable [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► September's well attended [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► we're back on the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► in the book club is back in session [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► I'm Jason Snelling joining me today to [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► discuss books are Dan Morgan hello Dan [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► by Jason and Scott McNulty is with us as [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► well [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► hello I'm hoping you'll say more this [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► time in the last time we're gonna cater [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► to your strength today i will be like a [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► prime mine the only one who's allowed to [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► speak [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► oh that is a bit of foreshadowing there [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► and laughing at scotts joke in the [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► background there is serenity Caldwell [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► ran welcome hello hello [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► alright we are going to talk books today [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► and I guess since Scott has has [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► mentioned the prime we will start with a [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► book recommended last month by Dan which [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► is gone away world by Nick Harkaway dan [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► you want to explain a little bit about [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► what this book is about and three of the [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► four of us have read it now so we can [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► discuss it and serenity can plug your [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► ears or just listen and be amazed I was [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► kind of interesting mishmash book in [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► that it sort of starts out as a [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► post-apocalyptic story and then we go [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► back in time and get the events lead up [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► to this apocalyptic happening uh and [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► it's centers around these characters in [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► this halogen hazmat company and [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► specifically one of them a guy named [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► gonzo lubitsch who is the best friend of [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► the narrator and it deals with sort of [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► their the intertwined lives of the [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► narrator and his friend gonzo and how [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► they sort of came up together and their [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► their lives leading up to this posted [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► this a apocalyptic event that creates [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► this basically the military's of the [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► world creepers go away bomb that just [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► when set off is supposed to be a very [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► humane weapon but when set off they just [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► sort of like obliterates anything it [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► just makes things not be almost the [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► right obliterates reality and there are [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► side effects to the right which they [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► running to unanticipated side effects of [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► that so after sort of a nuclear style [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► war in which you know everybody's [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► setting off these bombs the whole world [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► is kind of decimated and it reality [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► itself is kind of torn up and as a [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► result the this company the only sort of [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► safe places are these places where this [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► company has this pipeline running that [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► dispenses this gas that actually makes [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► it sort of a habitable region again [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► right it is sort of a it's the Fox [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► riding it and basically what it does is [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► it pushes the pushes out the the [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► unreality that's encroaching and kind of [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► forces areas livable areas of reality [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► exactly and so I mean I found the book [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► really if from my point of view I found [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► it fascinating because not only is it [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► got this sort of heavy post-apocalyptic [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► vibe but it's kind of intertwined with a [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► story that is largely a you know comedy [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► epic fantasy you know it's just such as [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► a melange of all these different genre [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► types as I was as i was reading it I i [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► started to think that every single [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► chapter of the book and this isn't true [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► after a while it's not true but the [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► first like eight or nine chapters each [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► chapter is essentially its own genre and [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► you keep leaping from this one will be [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► about mines this one will be about [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► ninjas [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► this is a coming-of-age story this is a [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► post-apocalyptic story it seriously at [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► eight and you can't believe that the [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► next chapter is going to be this [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► different from the previous one and yet [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► it keeps on shifting gears as it goes [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► and yet all sort of gets tied together i [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► don't end comes around with a with a [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► surprising that's surprising twist there [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► is it there is a twist i wanted to start [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► it at the beginning though and ask you [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► this question I been reading this over [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► the last couple of weeks on your [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► recommendation dan I wonder if that [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► first chapter is necessary because the [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► first chapter it does this the same [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► thing that you saw on you've seen a [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► bunch of different TV shows its this [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► narrative device where you start in the [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► middle of the action and then you [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► flashback yes and i was i was very [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► confused by it because not only are you [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► being plot drop lockdown in the middle [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► of the action but and you don't know [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► what's going on but then as soon as you [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► start to get some clue about what might [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► be going on then everything backs up and [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► it's like you're reading a completely [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► different book you don't really know [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► what's going on there's very little in [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► common and it takes a long time for you [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► to get back there and the moment that is [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► flashback from is not a particularly [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► revelatory moments there is a revelatory [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► moment in the book that's not where we [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► start [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► well it's not it's kind of at the setup [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► right like the first chapter is the day [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► this company gets hired to go into you [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► know the sort of the dangerous zone for [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► a job and then we flash back and explain [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► how the characters the main sort of [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► characters met but I agree it's very its [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► kind of jarring because you start you [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► know especially for you know the kind of [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► person reads a the book jacket and [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► thinks oh ok this book this is a book [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► about acts and you're like okay this is [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► a post-apocalyptic book ok so you go in [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► the first chapter does have that [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► post-apocalyptic setup but it is very [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► there's not all it takes a little time [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► to get oriented in the world and then as [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► you say once you do this sort of the [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► carpet kinda gets pulled out from under [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► you and you get thrust back into [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► explaining how everything got to that [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► point so if you're saying yeah i think i [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► agree to a certain extent that that [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► there's a there's a weird sort of [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► structure to that first couple chapters [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► yeah i'm not sure i needed that first [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► chapter I think of almost I might have [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► almost preferred to just be linear and [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► tell me the story that leads to the [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► world being gone away instead of sort of [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► seeing this weird a post-apocalyptic [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► period and then and then wondering for a [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► while if there had been an error in the [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► book i totally thought the first chapter [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► was not needed whatsoever and I didn't [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► like it at all and I it made its kind of [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► set me up to not like the book at all [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► which is unfortunate because in the end [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► i did like the book after get I would [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► even go as far as to say if you're going [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► to read this book just skip the first [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► chapter [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► you don't need to read the first chapter [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► or you can come back to it when you [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► reach that point I wish I don't actually [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► know off the top of my head what chapter [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► it fits between but you literally could [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► just rip it out and put it in space [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► later because there's a brief recap but [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► essentially you can just drop it in [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► there and say all right now read this [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► and then continue and I think this is [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► his first novel by don't know if he's [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► written anything else since then but I [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► think he's fought he falls into the trap [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► that many first novelists do and that is [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► I need to show off my dazzling writing [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► skills at any moment and structure this [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► novel in such a way that is new and [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► makes it interesting and makes it you [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► something that you want to read and [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► actively think about which I just found [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► annoying in this case [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► well I think he's got it I mean [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► personally I like his style i think he's [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► got a quite a way with words and his [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► prose i found i really enjoyed he [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► doesn't have a deft touch with it but I [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► understand that's not necessarily [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► everybody style or to everybody's liking [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► sort of ornate this [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► no I I i like the book / also i mean i [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► know that everything I've said so far [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► may lead you to think I didn't but I did [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► enjoy it while you got to see a hostile [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► Scott jeez I just an angry man i have to [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► go to the gym later it's it's not a good [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► day but I spent the last five hours [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► reading you [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► you know the last half of the book [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► because I i we had an assignment and I [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► had to finish it [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► damn it and so I enjoyed it and I [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► thought it was it was a very good book [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► but i don't think that i felt a lot of [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► times that he was just kind of showing [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► off when he was writing which i found a [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► little i don't like writing that calls [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► attention to itself [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► I like this I like this pro style but I [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► thought I think that he made the [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► narrative choices that you could tell [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► were sort of a show-off and and that's I [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► i agree with you there i feel like that [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► he didn't have to do what he did to [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► start to start the book out and it was [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► showy and I don't think it was necessary [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► which is not to say that I'd I like the [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► book to a one of the things that I mean [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► there's so many things that there are [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► ninjas there are mines there is a prime [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► who can speak but the other Minds can't [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► speak there is this post-apocalyptic [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► world there's some romance there is a [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► massive plot twist that quite honestly I [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► want to talk about that one of the [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► problems with this podcast as I don't [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► know what we should spoil what we should [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► not spoil or whether we should talk [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► about it kind of obliquely vs vs not but [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► um with a reliable narrator we consider [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► sword i know it is late i don't like but [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► there's this this moment we're not only [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► just the plot twist happen but the plot [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► twist is preceded or i guess in the [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► middle of this plot twist [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► there is a moment of kind of a shocking [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► moment where where I i was really [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► emotionally affected by the fact that we [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► basically this main character we've been [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► following all along and he's fallen in [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► love and he he marries this [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► woman and uh and then it his entire [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► marriage and in some ways it seems his [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► entire life is ripped away and it's it's [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► quite brutal and I thought very [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► effective i was really affected by the [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► fact that our poor narrator is suddenly [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► lost his happy home and his wife and his [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► marriage and a happen and then that's [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► not even that's just the start of it [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► it's like why did this happen but that [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► first moment was really powerful i [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► thought i agree i think i think there is [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► a you know I a circus tent i will say [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► this i mean you know going in you kind [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► of know the narrator's never really [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► mentioned by name and that turns out to [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► be you know an important point later on [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► but i think that in some ways that your [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► attention to it right because you know [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► you whenever you read something where [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► there's a key piece of information [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► deliberately omitted you know you always [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► kind of have that in the back of your [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► head that they're okay there must be a [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► reason why this choice was made the [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► narrator is kind of the narrator's [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► childhood is very strange as well that [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► makes you think what something's not [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► right here raised here it's clear when [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► the narrator's introduced that something [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► is going on because he's introduced [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► crying and after some horrible event [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► that you're not told what it is and so [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► it sets up a question but it turns out [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► that's not quite the right question to [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► ask about the history of the narrator [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► it's it's a red herring right it says [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► you have one path and and you don't I [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► mean and which is good because it [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► distracts you and thinks you have a [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► maybe an idea of what the answer is [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► behind this this character story and [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► then realize later that it's you know [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► hundred eighty degrees from that or [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► whatever and a plot twist happened i [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► want to ask you guys this [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► I i was initially mad because I felt [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► like he wasn't playing fair and that it [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► was it was really a cheat and it I over [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► the next couple of chapters as it all [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► sort of got resolved I felt like it was [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► not as much of a cheat as I had [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► initially thought because I was like but [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► what about this but what about this but [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► what about this don't we know all these [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► things and it became clear later that it [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► was entirely achieved but i want to ask [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► you guys you know did you get that [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► feeling that it's like well okay i see [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► this is a twist but does is doesn't [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► really hold up with what we thought we [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► you earlier well I mean okay I it's been [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► awhile since i've read the book [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► unfortunate because i keep recommending [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► it to everyone else because i read it [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► like a year ago but i think i right as i [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► recall reading at that point I started [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► finished up the end of the look in a big [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► chunk I I very much remember pushing [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► like having to sort of put the book [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► aside for a second and just kind of [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► think about it and sort of you trace [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► everything that had happened in like [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► okay yeah what does this make sense and [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► I think I i came to that conclusion a [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► little clique quicker that like oh my [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► god this really you know like you [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► flipped back through the book and check [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► a couple of things whenever you're like [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► oh wait no this really does make a lot [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► of like not only answer a lot of [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► questions but also sort of fit in with [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► the whole tone and plot of the book it [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► so i guess i didn't feel as much of it i [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► didn't have that initial reaction that [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► it was a cheap I was but I was sort of [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► realized you said Jason I was very [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► affected by it and very sort of [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► impressed with the fact that there was [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► not what I had expected at all right [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► just got well I thought at first I [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► thought it was a cheat because i [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► actually and I think that he wanted you [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► to miss miss miss understand what the [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► twist was exactly and so I kinda because [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► I don't without ruining anything it's [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► hard to talk about it so i thought one [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► thing that happened and then a few [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► chapters later it is clear what actually [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► did happen and once i'm gonna i'm gonna [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► fire the spoiler horn here and and say [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► we're about to talk about the the plot [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► twists in detail and if you don't want [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► to hear we have it became a few minutes [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► in the podcast do we have an actual [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► spoiler horn com going forward we should [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► alright so Scott what you're saying is [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► so what did u it turns out that that we [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► should just say it turns out what [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► happens is the narrator is actually the [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► imaginary friend of gonzo lubitsch and [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► didn't exist except that when gonzo gets [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► some unreality stuff sprayed on him by [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► accident he every time I described as I [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► like waiting for you to say no no you've [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► completely misunderstood it he he [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► because he essentially becomes manifest [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► and so all of this imaginary friend [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► including all of the sort of Gonzo's [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► impulses that he wants to suppress and [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► he could sort of pushes off on his [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► imaginary friend are essentially ripped [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► out of gonzo and he has made he's made [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► manifest so it's not really achieved [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► that the imaginary friend is talking [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► about his life in the past because he [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► has those memories it's just that [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► they're actually an aspect of Gonzo's [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► personality that has been torn away from [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► him into the second person [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► well and of course at the same time [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► gonzo is left as a very different person [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► because he doesn't he no longer has that [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► that you know person sitting on his [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► shoulder with that part of his [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► conscience basically saying you should [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► maybe you should do this no no I'm not [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► interested in that or the things that [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► he's pushed away when he's uncertain [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► about who he is or did he do the right [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► thing sometimes he'll compartmentalize [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► it i think we would say and put it in [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► this other person and now it's gone [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► which means he's a much more sure kind [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► of person even though he may not [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► actually be sure he just took his his [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► uncertainty and shoved it in this other [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► guy who was balancing his personality [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► and is now gone because he's now walking [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► around in in reality and it and that [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► said you know if you wanted to draw the [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► immediate parallel that I drew and I [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► hope this isn't as well if anybody is a [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► fight club [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► yes are spoiling that you which has a [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► very very very similar device in it and [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► i think that there's you know the eye [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► but I mean again I think what makes [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► sense about it here is that we've [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► already been led up into all this how [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► exposure to the the stuff the unreality [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► aspect is very unpredictable and has [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► these kind of effects you know we've [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► sort of been led up to that the entire [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► way through as we watched these [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► characters deal with this fall out [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► basically [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► and so for me that's why did I felt like [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► oh wow that really makes sense because [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► we've you know we've sort of experience [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► this through their their adventures and [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► journeys up to this point Scott so Scott [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► what did you think the twist really [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► meant before you found out that didn't [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► mean that [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► so that was what the trust was but what [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► i read it i thought uh I thought that [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► the stuff had erased the narrator and [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► yes me too and I was like well what this [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► does really make any sense because [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► that's what I mean through the whole [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► book that is not what this stuff does [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► and it doesn't do this so what's going [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► on and i was very confused and then it [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► then [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► gonzo shoots him and I'm like I don't [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► understand what's going on and then he [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► explains what went on my god that makes [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► a lot more sense [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► well I and it makes that scene once you [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► realize that the scene where the [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► narrator discovers that his wife doesn't [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► know him [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► it actually makes it i think even more [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► effective because now you realize that [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► it's even worse than that it's the gonzo [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► can't can't really fit he hit one aspect [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► of his personality which is him as this [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► kind of tough guy adventurer with this [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► other aspect which is him and as a guy [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► with a home life and in many ways his [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► relationship with his wife was [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► compartmentalize and has now been [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► stripped from him and is in this other [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► guy because the other guy loves Gonzo's [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► wife and gonzo doesn't know quite how to [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► relate to her anymore and it's very sad [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► because you know he i think Harkaway is [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► trying to say something about how we all [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► contain multitudes and what if you [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► actually like took pieces of yourself [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► and not to get all star trek but you [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► know split them into and then you've got [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► two different pieces of yourself and [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► they would it would work the same way [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► right and the only way gonzo can express [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► his feelings for his wife is to go [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► and you know take his other half away [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► and because he feels that the other half [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► is a handwritten or take his wife away [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► so it takes the other guy and shoes and [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► shoot some multiple times and pushes [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► them out of a moving truck [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► well I mean because they you get this [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► very much in India if you wanted to go [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► into sort of a psychological profile you [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► could say it's sort of separating his [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► like his aid from his you know [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► supereeego type thing where it's like [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► he's primal like the gonzo that you're [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► left with is a very sort of impulsive [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► violent like you know but but heroic [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► what gone so like to think of themselves [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► as right it's like the party gonzo gonzo [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► was comfortable writing but he's also a [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► very you know he's got that very he's [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► rough around the edges he doesn't [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► necessarily have that like sensitivity [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► Randy you know I think even you know i [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► love that hard way does a great job of [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► like talking about the the martial arts [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► styles that they both study and how you [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► know the the narrator has you know you [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► did never really fit in with the sort of [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► you know brutal strength-based martial [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► arts stuff that gonzo really favored [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► right and instead took this sort of the [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► softer approach of you know something [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► that's kind of sort of almost an aikido [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► like martial arts where it's all about [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► you know control and balance and you [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► know agility and all those things and I [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► liked how that was such an interesting [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► like diversion like it was a great I a [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► way of expressing who these two [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► characters were yeah that was one of the [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► moments where I really didn't I thought [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► it was a cheat was like wait how can he [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► not be gone so if the if they did all [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► that stuff with the with the master of [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► the martial arts and it turns out that's [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► the story is that there are parts of [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► God's life that didn't really work for [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► him and didn't fit with his self-image [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► so we stuck them on the side it was the [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► soft martial arts didn't really fit in [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► with his tough-guy image he didn't want [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► to talk about the fact that he was [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► involved with the very people who [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► invented the to go away bomb he didn't [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► want so he compartmentalize that [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► completely and just basically act as if [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► i was never with the scientists it's not [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► who I am I'm a tough guy adventurer i'll [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► stick that over here and so in the end [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► the narrator ends up being the guy in [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► the lab coat who was there when they [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► invented the bombs instead of gone so [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► yeah it very very interesting and I [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► should also point out for those who are [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► who have heated have not heeded the [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► spoiler horn [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► you know that the plot twist in the end [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► there's a lot that happens after the [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► plot twist sure that the most [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► interesting because I was like oh my god [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► there's this big plot interest a plot [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► twist and then I look like I still have [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► like a third of the book 3 what is going [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► to happen [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► yeah exactly should we fire the spoiler [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► horn the all clear [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► yes yes yes bring up so so in the end [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► dan I know your verdict on the gun away [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► world because you've recommended it to [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► lots of people [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► Scott did you like it I mean you said [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► you kind of liked in the end right i did [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► that was very good i mean i think if you [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► take it in the frame of mind that it's [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► his first novel and it's a fun read and [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► it's not what you're expecting and don't [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► read the first chapter don't read the [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► first chapter [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► it was well done i enjoyed I really i [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► highlighted a bunch of things that I [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► thought were very funny i highlighted [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► some stuff too because I thought that I [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► thought there was some really good stuff [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► in here and i'll just read one [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► well maybe three two one of them that i [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► thought was really good this is a great [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► thing about reading on the kindle is [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► that I can actually call it my [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► highlights on the web and read them [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► which is pretty cool [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► the rest of her communication has been [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► removed with a razor blades lift leaving [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► me holding a limp carcass of eviscerated [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► notepaper it's a little spooky it's a [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► zombie letter in the middle of the night [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► it will rise from the grave and eat the [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► other letters starting with the headings [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► then it will crawl out into the camp and [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► begin its rampage and some of the scraps [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► that leaves behind will also reanimate [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► the undead paper plate will spread until [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► nothing can stop at baja and bwahaha is [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► actually in the book it's not me saying [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► it and and very some almost like Douglas [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► Adams is sort of besides that about the [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► zombie letters and there's a others or [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► if he does about serial numbers which is [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► a tech writer i love that these long [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► serial numbers that you could never make [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► enough to fill all the serial numbers in [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► the history of all of the planet earth [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► yet they do it [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► just some really funny passages that [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► that not a lot of books are like that [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► where where you can just be reading a [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► paragraph and out of context you can [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► still go okay that was really funny and [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► they're even sentences that are just [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► really funny and I highlighted mostly [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► just sentences i also highlighted the [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► the zombie letter think Jason so how [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► nice if I had turned on social [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► highlighting [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► on the kindle anyway very funny and I [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► like to too so I I don't hold it against [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► Dan for recommending that i buy this [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► book vegas God well as I understand he's [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► actually working on a new book which I [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► I'm very much looking forward to what [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► you should be you have you sold you've [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► made dozens of dollars for him and [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► royalties for your buddy Nick Nick [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► Harkaway this is always affiliates key [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► missing it again you get something yeah [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► anyway just mind clicking through my [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► podcast site that's why the [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► uncomfortable affiliate links will make [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► us all rich [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► let's move on and talk about another [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► book that we mentioned in passing and [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► this also will fulfill our Zeppelin [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► quotient for the podcast excellent yes [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► gone away world sadly Zeppelin free [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► check Zeppelin free again as then [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► pointed out in the last book podcast [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► there is a large kind of truck thing but [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► it's not a Zeppelin it is it is not even [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► close to his up but not as announced [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► that even remotely it was it turns out [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► that was quite a stretch to make that [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► claim dan Boneshaker by cherie priest is [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► a kind of steampunky zombie adventure [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► novel and it does feature Zeppelin ate a [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► stolen Confederate Zeppelin in an alt [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► history civil war that has gone on much [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► longer than the actual civil war did i [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► read this is part of the set of hugo [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► award nominees i should point out [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► actually that the city in the city and [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► the and the windup girl which we [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► mentioned on the last book podcast tied [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► for the hugo award for best novel [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► Jason's already happy then right [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► I am happy because those are my two [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► favorites and I ll do it turns out that [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► if I if I braked city in the city ahead [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► of the windup girl it would one by [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► itself so i feel kind of responsible [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► haha time you are a jerk [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► Jason sure but that's all yes I i wanted [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► the windup girl to get an award so it [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► i'm happy i'm very happy anyway [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► Boneshaker I think finished I'm gonna [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► say I think maybe finished third but it [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► was one of the runners-up I i ranked [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► below the the other two because I didn't [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► think I thought it was a fun romp I [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► didn't think it was quite a substantial [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► as these other two books work but as a [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► you're kind of a young adult it's got [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► it's got a its got a mom as the as the [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► protagonist and then a kid her son as [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► the other protagonist young man and they [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► have an adventure in the city of seattle [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► in the late eighteen hundreds but it's [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► the salt history world where there's [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► been a machine the Boneshaker has dug up [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► the ground in seattle and release this [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► gas that turns people into zombies [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► essentially and then the Sun gets lost [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► in the city and the mom goes to find him [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► and turns out there people living amid [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► the ruins and it and then there's the [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► stolen Zeppelin it was all it was a lot [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► of fun [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► Scott what do you think about the shaker [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► I thought it [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► you took the words right out of my mouth [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► it was a lot of fun it wasn't we got [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► away world made me think which is always [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► a good thing [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► a Boneshaker not too much thinking going [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► on but a lot of enjoyment [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► yeah it was it was a romp I mean there's [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► there to say it didn't make me feel [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► stupid already i don't feel nervous i [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► did think well reading it but yeah but [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► it was it was not it was a fun read i [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► was sitting on a beach reading gone away [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► world thinking this might not [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► automatically be the best choice for [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► sitting on the beach [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► boneshaker felt a little more beachy in [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► that sense of like it's fun and there's [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► chases and you're running away from the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► zombie horde and people with weapons and [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► and you know Ariel uh fight scenes in [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► gone to love the Zeppelin kind of get a [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► lot of fun a lot of fun stuff and a [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► mysterious two mysterious evil geniuses [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► that one turns out to be not so genius [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► see but at least they're two of them [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► yes that's right that's right out that [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► was a I'm I've seen that I've seen that [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► story trick before but I I liked it a [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► lot which is you have a character who [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► may or may not be this figure from the [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► past and one of the characters says [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► early on [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► oh no he's not that guy and you spend [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► not going to fire the spoiler horn yet [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► but and it's a great moment because if [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► you catch it you you save yourself haha [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► this person knows something that nobody [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► else knows about that [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► what happened to that guy and that isn't [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► indeed at the end you find out what [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► really happened to the to the this other [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► person and [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► it's a really nice a really nice moment [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► that I like a lot but uh I love that [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► moment where it's like if you're paying [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► close enough attention you'll realize [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► one character knows more than anybody [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► else knows about what happened and she [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► isn't sharing I appreciate that they [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► kept it drawn out for that long [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► where I was I was kind of expecting that [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► that was going to like we would find out [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► why this certain character was dead or [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► alive i was expecting we'd find it out [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► like maybe midway through the book but I [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► appreciate they held on until about the [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► last 10 pages before we actually get the [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► big reveal and be like oh that's why and [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► it makes so much sense after that you're [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► like oh of course of course this person [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► would know that and potentially yes I'm [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► i might well if it's not there you know [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► the the format of the book is these [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► alternating chapters and there are [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► several moments actually where you feel [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► like you're going to bring the two [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► characters together the mom and her son [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► and and I think she does a really great [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► job of frustrating the reader and you [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► know i love it when I get frustrated as [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► a reader because that's part of the fun [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► of reading a book is like oh they were [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► so close and and then they're split [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► apart again and they didn't find each [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► other so it's it's a you know it's a fun [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► it's a fun kind of rock with a lot of [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► these the fact that it sent him a [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► historical period is is a lot of fun [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► because you don't have high-tech [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► solutions to problems you you know the [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► most high-tech solution that you've got [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► is a gas mask in a Zeppelin which is [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► pretty high-tech really well i mean it [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► stack i suppose i'm not sure it's a [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► high-tech supplements a low-tech [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► Zeppelin 100 federates up when how good [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► could a stolen Confederate Zeppelin [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► really be well that's aplin was the [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► Cadillac of Zeppelin's of that time I [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► gotta say when i first started reading [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► the book the book tricked me a little [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► bit because I first started reading like [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► the prologue is great the prologue could [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► be a book within itself because so much [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► happens we like all right so it's you [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► know Civil War period and you know all [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► there is Evelyn's and there's and and [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► yellow zombie gasps yeah but you don't [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► even get to the gas yet alright the [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► Boneshaker a giant drill that you can [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► imagine being this Giants team operated [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► thing with a giant drill bit on the [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► front that goes into the earth and i [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► just love this set up or they're like oh [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► yes the Russians have found gold in [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► Alaska so they don't want to sell it to [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► the US quite yet but they can't get at [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► the gold so what [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► they gonna do they're going to hire us [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► going to enter yet to actually make [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► something to get that gold so then maybe [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► they won't have to sell it to the US [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► after all and then see you get like all [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► of this interesting history stuff like [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► oh cool very and then you're like oh no [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► that's actually just the first five [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► pages and then after that it's all about [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► the aftermath of this horrible machine [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► that was theoretically done for good and [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► then turned into evil and basically [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► destroyed half of a city and yeah [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► release the zombie gasps it's just it's [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► interesting how much backstory they [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► meant a cherry priest manages to pack [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► into that 10 pages [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► apparently there's another book in this [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► in this universe that's about about the [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► Zeppelin believe it or not so I'm going [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► to the Confederate about the Confederate [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► Zeppelin yeah that is a primary feature [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► and so it's sort of like flies through [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► this story but is then it part of its [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► own story and I wonder how much of that [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► is just okay this is the world that i [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► built here and here it is in the first [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► pic first chapter now let's get to the [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► the real point but you're right it was [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► really rich and that the first full [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► chapter is interesting because it's [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► actually a little bit more down and then [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► the book as a whole it's like she really [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► wanted to take you down this depressing [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► it's like she's working in this Factory [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► and it and her son doesn't appreciate [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► her and he runs away and it's and they [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► have to wear these layers of clothing to [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► avoid the the the stuff that's dripping [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► out of the sky from this yellow goo and [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► it's just as miserable terrible world [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► that they live in on the walls outside [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► of Seattle and it you know it's almost [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► as if you expect the next thing to be [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► like in so many fantasy stories like but [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► then at then they opened the door to a [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► magical place where things were better [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► and a magical place where things are [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► better is where all the zombies are [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► tremendous and yet hit you like things [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► opened up when we got into seattle and [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► there were zombies everywhere i keep on [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► drawing a conclude drawing like [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► parallels between of all things an [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► American tail which is like a really [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► bizarre things but it's still it's like [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► you have the same kind of thematic ideas [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► where oh you have to go to a new place [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► in this new place is also scary and [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► crazy and and there are a lot of points [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► in that film where people keep missing [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► each other and [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► specifically family members so it's very [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► weird was Harrison survival in bone [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► shaker is that the boy is that the mom [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► is that it's the boy is a mad scientist [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► the boy is fievel alright is there I [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► haven't seen american tail in a million [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► years is there is there a mad scientist [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► who kills people in an American tail [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► light [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► oh that's the rashes am sorry i didn't [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► know there's a there's a mad scientist [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► in the rest of them i'm trying to [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► remember if it's in well actually [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► they're they're crazy contraptions in [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► both american tail and 50 goes well as [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► far as i remember Fievel goes west are [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► other Zeppelin's there in weight now but [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► i don't think the reasons they're there [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► they're flying pigeons something I don't [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► pitchers usually flogged [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► yes exactly so the other bitches are not [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► always Paris as far as flying things get [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► here in California the pigeons fly on a [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► Zeppelin Scott by any other thoughts [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► about Boneshaker i mean i would [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► recommend it I i think it's a good I [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► also think it's good for a younger not [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► you know not I'm not a kid audience but [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► like a young adult audience i think [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► that's sort of one of the one of the [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► targets of that book because it's not [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► particularly you know nasty and for a [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► zombie right look I think it's just a a [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► really fun really fun reading it's gonna [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► got a teenage character whose likable [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► but it's also got the mom and it was a [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► lot of fun i don't know if the boy was [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► that likable but uh huh well he gets in [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► over his head his jerk [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► well I don't know I thought well I he I [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► thought he had a reason to do what he [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► did and then he realized kind of quickly [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► that he had totally blown it was trying [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► to how smart do you have to be to think [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► oh I really should not go into this [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► zombie-infested city and look for [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► someone who may or may not be there but [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► it doesn't take my email can to take a [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► maybe this isn't a good idea and I [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► should just go back to school when [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► you've got it you've got to give him [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► credit though he he goes in by tunnel as [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► opposed to his mom who has to hitch a [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► ride on the Zeppelin that's true but [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► surely has to ensure i was up late [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► because the tunnel collapsed [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► it's true it's trending wouldn't have [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► collapsed if he hadn't got into it [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► yes there I like some of the constant [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► article he dished one of the images in [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► that book that I really [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► I guess the there's a whole family of [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► chinese people who run this strange [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► pumping it's the Chinese like railroad [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► laborers and they've stayed in seattle [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► and they run the strange air pumping [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► station where they blow in fresh air [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► they've got big tubes that stick up into [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► the sky pulling the fresh air and then [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► they pump it into the down below and [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► it's such a bizarre industrial just such [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► a strange image and I thought that was [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► really funny [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► well it's hard to imagine to just hard [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► to picture in your head especially [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► because at one point the mother actually [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► goes down one of those two houses and [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► trying to get a mental picture while [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► you're reading this you're like she's [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► talking about gripping onto the ridges [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► and things like that you don't exactly [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► know how this thing is staying upright [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► you know hundreds of feet into the air [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► but it sounds pretty cool [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► yeah yeah alright I'm going to welcome [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► Dan back from his isolation chamber I [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► was great in there I really I had a nice [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► time to relax catch up on some things [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► you know take a little nap and now you [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► can read Boneshaker which you have right [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► you have it's on my bedside table and it [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► will be joining me on my uh my travels [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► this week [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► nice very nice is you know what and [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► despite the the advent of e-books in the [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► convenience of reading stuff on your [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► ipad i still it's you know that takeoff [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► and landing part you know when I don't [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► put all your stuff away [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► still still gotta have an actual paper [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► book there I hear you I i endorse this [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► plan i hate that moment and they want [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► you to turn off your kindle those but [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► they're bastards but thats I say art I [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► take that opportunity to enjoy the [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► in-flight magazine that's right that's [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► what magazines for yes SkyMall man let [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► me tell you I've gotten at least six [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► different hotdog cookers just because [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► i'm i'm addicted it's a pride I just eat [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► the hot dogs raw it solves that problem [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► I'm feeling rather sick now you're brave [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► man but [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► let's talk about William Gibson now now [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► i'm speaking so here's haha sooo hot [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► dogs people even give him loves a hot [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► dog that's true that's a little-known [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► fact about William get said he has a new [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► book out called zero history which i [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► actually bought it i think it's the [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► first book that I bottom a day of [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► release in maybe ever and it's mostly [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► because I could pre-order it and have it [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► delivered to my to my kindle for [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► thirteen dollars or something like that [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► but I've only read the first couple of [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► chapters of it it's the third Gibson [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► seems to be a trilogy kind of guy he is [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► the third in his third set of trilogies [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► so I don't know what he does now that [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► he's got three trilogies does he stop [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► it's an ology know but they're not [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► they're not connected here or are they [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► oh that is instead book will connect [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► them all ah the master the master stroke [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► so he he [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► this is the seat sequence that began [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► with the book pattern recognition and [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► continued in a book whose name now [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► totally this is it spook country spook [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► country that's right and I will conclude [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► with zero history and so I because i [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► haven't read pattern recognition or I'm [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► gonna have red red zero history yet some [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► of the same characters a spook country [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► and as pattern recognition they're set [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► in the present day to contrast with [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► neuromancer count 0 and Mona Lisa [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► overdrive which was his first trilogy [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► which was set in a future and cyberspace [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► and and no cell phones which is very [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► funny to read those now and they're all [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► these pay phones everywhere it's like no [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► I loved pattern recognition though i [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► don't know if any of you guys have read [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► that one [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► I read it I liked it but I did not I did [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► not I was not quite as enthusiastic [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► about it as many others were that's what [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► that's the one where the main character [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► is allergic to the Michelin Man [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► yes and other brand and other marketing [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► yeah I I was the one who suggested we [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► should talk about william gibson and at [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► this point I should admit that I in fact [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► don't like William Gibson [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► it's a trap this is this is not a mutual [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► admiration society here or even a way [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► that gives an admiration society and so [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► I really liked I don't have any of you [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► read The Difference Engine sterling yes [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► i have a really good feeling i really [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► oh wow that's my least favorite thing [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► he's done by about a mile and see there [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► you go and then so I read neuromancer [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► because you know you have to read [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► neuromancer because it is I actually [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► read that fairly late i only read it uh [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► I don't know five or six years ago i [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► guess and i really liked it even though [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► it does have this weird I I kind of [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► enjoy those books that are clearly [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► products of a past arrow-like [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► interpolating into the future and they [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► just totally like missed something you [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► know like like mobile phones as Jason [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► saying I find it fascinating because it [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► provides such an insight to the period [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► in which it was written and I thought [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► neuromancer was a fantastic book i [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► really enjoyed it i thought the next you [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► were not as good in my opinion you know [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► kind of lost a little bit of the [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► whatever magic that he'd gotten into [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► neuromancer but yet he's he has a very [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► interesting view on on the future and on [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► you know science fiction technological [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► developments and all that on his books I [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► mean he said that his books are [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► obviously commentaries about about the [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► time in which they're written so [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► neuromancer is in a sudden the 2020s or [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► whatever but it's really about the [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► eighties and it's about technology [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► interfacing with with people in a way [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► that that did happen in just not in kind [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► of the detail but a lot of that did come [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► true and then bits of it didn't move but [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► that scene still I mean that you [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► mentioned the payphones of course that [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► reminds me of it's such a great scene [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► that's my favorite scene in neuromancer [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► where we're case the main characters [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► walking through an air i think it's like [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► the airport even somewhere in [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► Switzerland it's like the I don't know [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► it's an airport in your right and the [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► ymca phones right and and and the AI is [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► trying to reach him and each time he [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► takes a step past one of these payphones [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► the pay phone rings and as he's walking [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► the pay phone next to him continues to [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► ring and they just goes down the line [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► and caught the Rings follow him because [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► it knows exactly where he is [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► which is funny because like because we [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► talked about Sherlock why I'm one of our [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► move our TV podcast and a few they use [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► that same device in the very first [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► episode of which i thought was a good [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► yeah well I assumed was a maybe an [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► immodest neuromancer but yeah and I have [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► a UH in the first of my to unpublished [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► novels that i wrote I wrote a scene [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► where that is an homage to that seem too [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► because i love that I love that scene so [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► much it's interesting Scott do you not [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► like his writing style do not like the [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► subject matter I'm curious i I just [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► don't I think the best part of [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► neuromancer was the first sentence and [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► then after that he lost me which is [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► never a good thing it's a great opening [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► line now it is it is event is one of my [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► favorite opening lines so I'm saying [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► that I'm very distressed because I i [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► thought the the Scottish sci-fi writer [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► Charlie Strong's basically sort of [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► homage did in the opening line to one of [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► his books but yeah it was unfortunate [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► because I didn't like that apparently as [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► much I didn't like the book but it but [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► he made a very funny point which is [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► again in 1984 whenever Gibson Road [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► neuromancer a TV that the opening line [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► is the sky over the port was the color [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► of television tuned to a dead Channel [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► the idea being it was this gray speckly [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► sky because when you turn to a dead [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► Channel you get stabbed except today if [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► you turn to a dead Channel you tend to [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► get just like a Blue Square and so [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► strong his joke was that it was a bright [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► sunny day and and the sky was as blue as [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► a dead television turned to a dead [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► Channel [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► this is like the meaning is completely [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► changed since neuromancer was written [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► that wasn't as good but sadly that book [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► also went downhill after the first [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► sentence [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► yeah so yeah I so so when i'd say about [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► pattern recognition i think a lot of [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► people the perception of Gibson was that [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► after neuromancer it was all downhill [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► and he was kind of after that ever [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► opening sentence neuromancer it is a [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► falls down this podcast is ok now but i [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► actually I thought I thought lonely [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► soldier overdrive was pretty good [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► although maybe not as good as new [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► romancer I thought he made a comeback in [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► that and then I feel like he got lost I [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► think that his middle his second trilogy [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► of books which were that all tomorrow's [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► parties and i forget what the other [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► names were it's sort of setting this [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► kind of run-down bay area and people are [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► living on the bay bridge [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► engine I really didn't like those I [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► don't didn't think they were very good [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► but when he he did pattern recognition [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► he he wrote his first book that was kind [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► of tangibly set in the present day or [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► close to the present day and that book [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► you know I damn you don't like it like I [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► like it I I think that's his best book I [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► think it's better than neuromancer and [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► part of that is because it's it does [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► speak to today and corporations with [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► marketing messages and how people try to [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► affect other people and how the internet [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► gets gets used for marketing and he gets [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► used in the script kind of strange kind [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► of a social ways that aren't really [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► anticipated until they until they emerge [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► and I'm just so mad much about it that [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► really hit home for me plus it was a fun [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► kind of adventure which is sort of his [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► trademark rights and he's writing these [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► kind of 40 movie Pulp adventures with [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► this technology sheen on top of them [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► yeah I mean I guess what what fell a [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► little flat to me was there's this one [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► central sort of conceit in pattern [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► recognition that has to do with the [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► footage as they call it right arm which [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► is interesting but at the same time I [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► guess I had trouble really grasping what [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► about like the way he tries to describe [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► the emotional response that's pulled up [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► by people watching this in and is sort [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► of the what turns it into a phenomenon i [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► fell sort of flat with me and maybe [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► that's because i read it again a few [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► years after it had come out and at that [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► point i think it was it was interesting [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► because I think he did sort of manage to [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► write about something that had that is [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► now almost commonplace this idea of sort [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► of viral media and yet it it seemed it [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► seem not as far-fetched i think and i [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► had a hard time it's he sort of coming [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► to terms with how people reacted to the [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► extent that they did in the book I found [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► that a little hard to empathize with but [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► there are a number of things I quite [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► liked about the book i thought the main [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► character is very interesting i like the [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► sort of the manipulations that go on [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► behind the scenes and certainly the the [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► intriguing and all that that's connected [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► with the plot [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► for me if you ask me what writers just [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► as stylist prose stylist what writers do [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► you appreciate the most if you're if [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► you're a writer it maybe who do you wish [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► you could write like and if you ask me [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► that question the two answers would [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► probably give you right off the bat [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► would be Nick Hornby and william gibson [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► think i would think I would sub michael [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► chabon 44 million but he would be number [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► three on my list and he could fight it [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► out with get William Gibson if that [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► would be fun to see that now the great [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► case you read your Center one leaves and [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► then the other leave shortly that so so [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► really damn that would be you that would [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► be your your pair would be Michael [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► Chabon and and nick hornby hornby would [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► be pretty close to the top [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► yeah I don't know there's something [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► about him and I know he's he doesn't [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► necessarily fall into the vein of that [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► kind of stuff we talked about but he's [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► actually he makes me laugh out loud you [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► can are you could argue that slam yeah [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► there you go get your name is a [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► fantastic book and it and it and it's [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► john we in the sense that it involves [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► it's potentially science fiction/fantasy [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► maybe a little bit but the Tony Hawk [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► appears in many places mystically as a [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► magical certain spirit guide well and [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► there's also sort of a parallel universe [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► right time travel possible rightly sort [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► of sees things that happen and then that [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► and then he backs up that's also just [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► it's just a fantastic book and anybody [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► that is that it should read it because [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► it is laugh-out-loud funny talk about [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► authors whoo-hoo-hoo maybe got off track [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► and got back on track actually think [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► that horny corn these last two slam and [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► what's the one that Juliet naked i think [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► are actually both really great returns [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► and i would add a long way down to that [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► which I one way down is good it's [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► fantastic [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► so basically how to be good was bad how [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► do we get i just read that it's not a [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► suspect that is clearly far away his [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► weakest book are so what about you guys [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► ran and ran and Scott writers that you [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► really admire from just as their ability [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► to write and to think about that one [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► friend Scott you go oh well Don DeLillo [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► anyone he's not a science fiction writer [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► and well I guess maybe it kinda is [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► psycho [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► no but he's really he's he is a someone [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► i wish i could write like I don't think [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► I ever would be able to douglas adams [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► one of my favorite writers i'm not sure [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► if i if I'm as big a fan of his his [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► skill you know stylistically but the [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► number of ideas and his sense of humor [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► just unbelievable how much stuff you [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► could pack into such a small amount of [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► space and then he you know he do that [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► over the course of hundreds of pages [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► over and over again which is yeah i may [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► say I the mind boggles at what that man [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► could think of and then I mean I there [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► are so many other people that are just [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► jammed in my mind i don't know i think [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► that you know jasper fforde not to go [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► back to him but I i am here is very good [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► he is very good he's one of my favorite [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► i really like self funny but you exactly [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► is very funny i wish i could look Ren [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► Ren has heard of Jasper well see their [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► yes this because we are we allowed to [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► realize it into core dead people because [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► in that case i can add Raymond Chandler [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► to my list to is yes it is possibly one [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► of the best pro stylist of the 20th [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► century dead people count you could say [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► Shakespeare if you'd like to I i well [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► today I think that would be I mean he's [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► a he is you know a writer without peril [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► at the same time use of your nose at [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► least tried i don't think he would say i [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► wish i could write like Shakespeare you [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► know after that opening sentence in not [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► right Goes Down Goes that first rhyming [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► couplet is so lame I mean come up [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► shall I compare thee to a summers day [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► all right after that please dont la and [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► then have it have we stalled enough for [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► you to get yes yes you stole that I [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► think well most recently i think one of [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► the sort of up-and-coming offers to [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► watch is definitely max brooks at least [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► for me like world war z was the first [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► book I read of his and then I went back [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► and redheads like zombie thing i'm not a [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► big zombie person in general but World [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► War Z has such as spunk to it and [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► suchlike really well-crafted individual [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► stories and they keep you very [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► invigorated and like both both on like [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► just reading the book but also listening [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► to the audiobook and I find it's it's [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► rare that you can have a book that [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► translate so well as in on the written [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► page and then also as an audiobook / [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► radio play [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► so it's really exciting [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► and i'm curious to see what he's writing [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► next is just kinda he's on my radar so [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► to speak who that's one of the few books [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► that I stopped reading and never [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► finished which World War anything like [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► haha because i did--like i did--like i [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► threw the costume I liked it [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► wow I didn't actually really did it [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► didn't burn its ok i guess not [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► I don't have ended like despise it just [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► I lost interest in yeah that was it [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► alright so now what should we do what [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► should we read next one of the things i [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► want to do ideally is actually even post [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► something on our website which is the [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► incomparable dot-com about what the book [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► club is reading less next so we can [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► maybe not fire off the spoiler horn for [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► the net for the next time at least 44 [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► some topic i don't know if we'll settle [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► it here or not but do you guys have any [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► suggestions of things you think we [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► should read or things that you're [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► reading right now or things that are [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► soon to come out or things that are soon [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► to come out that would work i'll try to [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► look I'm going to look at my list I just [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► fly [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► um I just signed up for the Mongolian [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► add oh yeah i was thinking about that [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► but I i love Stephenson but i'm a little [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► a little skeptical of the multi-author [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► yeah two minds with Stevenson I like it [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► man I'd hate him at the same time so [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► it's difficult I i think we should [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► probably talk about maybe gee John [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► Scalzi and neal stephenson next time I [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► think those would be fun topics mongolia [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► by the way you come on Goliad dot-com [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► spelled like it sounds and it's a this [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► shared world story over the course of a [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► year and you pay like 10 bucks and I [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► sort of paid because i'm intrigued by [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► the idea and i would like to encourage [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► them to try it and at some point it's [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► going to be like an iPad an iPhone app [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► so you can just read the story as it [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► goes in the app although it doesn't [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► exist yet but I'm looking guy i'm a [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► sucker for that kind of thing it's like [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► I want to support people trying new ways [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► to do a little fiction on the internet [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► and even if it is it for ten bucks or [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► whatever it was like it's worth it i'll [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► give them up give him some seed money [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► for them to try it and see if it works [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► mtm from i'm flipping through my my list [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► of books that are you know that I i [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► write down to make sure i see when they [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► come out and unfortunately most of them [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► are sort of its continuations of series [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► is but one of the ones all throughout [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► their is the second book in a duology by [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► connie willis [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► who is a great writer in case you've [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► never ridden read anything that she has [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► written she's written a number of things [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► including a doomsday book which I [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► believe will yeah those are good and to [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► say nothing of the dog and stay healthy [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► dogs really revisited that same universe [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► in a two-part series the first of which [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► came out earlier this year and the [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► second of which comes out next month [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► called blackout and all clear which [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► route basically also time travel stories [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► that take place primarily during the [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► Blitz I loved those two books to say [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► nothing of the dog and domesday book and [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► what what I found fascinating about this [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► doomsday book great book so depressing [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► and to say nothing of the dog same [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► universe is so funny and not dark and [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► black out and all clear i would put [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► somewhere in between the two are it's [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► not got the same quite as like oh my god [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► that I you know this is so so like oh [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► god I can't even take this that you get [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► with doomsday book when you're flipping [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► you can't stop reading because its own [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► questions that you say time is just like [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► four so tragic for those who have [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► introduced a book it's essentially your [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► you get to meet a lot of nice people who [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► are going to die of the Black Death [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► yeah yeah and that's it's not it doesn't [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► have the farcical aspects of to say [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► nothing of the dog but it's still it's [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► mainly focused on the history of this [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► world of the the Blitz and you know that [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► sort of the experience of that as we [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► just I think we just passed the like the [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► 60-something anniversary of it like last [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► week I heard on the BBC so it seems the [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► time a a timely moment to revisit it [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► right Scott [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► well are you guys familiar with this job [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► this upcoming genre of weird writing [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► called bizarro anybody know [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► so anyways now one of the I've recently [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► become aware of any sort of an ugly [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► gentlemen dresses like Superman it is it [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► is named after that that ugly gentleman [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► and I guess the whole point of the genre [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► is that you just write these insane [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► stories that you know are just insane so [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► one of the the books that I've read it's [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► only like a hundred pages on is called [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► Shatner quake right there i think about [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► you can't so the idea the idea behind [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► this book is that there [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► it's set in an alternate universe where [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► William Shatner has this cult of [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► personality about him [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► my guess is not too far from the truth [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► and uh he got there are conventions [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► dedicated to William Shatner and his [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► various roles and he goes to one of [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► these conventions and in this world [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► there's a thing called a fiction bomb [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► that destroys fiction and so the [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► nefarious people who do not who are why [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► I want to ruin too much but they don't [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► like William Shatner I and said I set [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► off one of these bombs and instead of [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► destroying William Shatner's fictional [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► work it does the opposite and creates [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► multiple Shatner's throughout his [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► various of the TJ Hooker and Captain [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► Kirk and william shatner has to figure [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► out a way to get out of this building [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► that is full of himself [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► yeah and just like an apt choice of [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► words [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► yeah I I all I can say Scott is our [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► there's a baja I don't think there are [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► there are multiple Shatner's but no [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► Zeppelin's so I don't know multiple [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► Shatner's muscles janitors actually the [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► conversion rate between Shatner's f1 is [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► roughly three William Shatner's [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► persepolis well there you go [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► yes when he was younger it was larger [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► back the race is falling off or toss as [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► it does so that random read more about [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► yeah do we actually want to read zero [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► history we want to actually put that on [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► well it's in hardcover so you really [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► need buy the ebook if you want to save [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► some money or go to a library by re-live [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► gods are important [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► I i think it's a third part of a series [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► so i don't know if i want to recommend [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► start having people read part 3 of a [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► series because you know you probably be [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► better off i mean you could this i could [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► i'm going to read it but you know i'm [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► happy to read something else too i'm not [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► going to read it [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► multiple shadows not Scott secondary [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► let's read something that Scott is going [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► to read so well we'll figure something [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► out and posted on the website of any [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► suggestions that you have when I the [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► only book that I kind of have in my mind [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► is not a newer book is not necessarily a [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► science-fiction so I think I'm gonna [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► stay off that for now all right okay [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► fair enough fair enough i don't i don't [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► really have anything to suggest at the [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► moment I i I'm still plowing through the [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► i think the last year's year's best [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► science fiction anthology which I like [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► because it's a I don't read [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► you read the sci-fi magazines or [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► anything like that and it's a nice [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► dollop of short stories and that's that [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► is a collection that I really love [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► having ani an e-book reader because it's [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► a huge volume it's like four or five [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► hundred pages and I never end up getting [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► through it to the end because then I [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► when I've only got a hundred pages left [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► i look at the size and I can't bear to [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► pack it and take it on the trip because [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► there's so little of it left and so I [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► just never read the last stories in the [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► in the book they could be blank for all [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► I know and I wouldn't know but i wanna [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► on an e-book reader it's actually great [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► and and that's a good that's the [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► gardener noise does why don't I [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► pronounce his name year's best science [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► fiction short story anthology so i'll [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► throw that out there for people who were [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► into the short story thing its there's [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► some good stuff in there is something we [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► should probably talk about a you know [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► like not current science fiction but you [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► know maybe Golden Age stuff that kind of [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► think actually that wouldn't be a [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► terrible terrible suggestion that little [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► terrible time is that would be a [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► terrible advice [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► I'm sorry I'm uh-huh no I think taking [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► something that sort of perceived as a [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► classic or at least it's been out there [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► for five years or ten years or something [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► like that we haven't read or that only a [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► few of us have read and giving it a read [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► might be a lot of fun uruu is funny [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► because when you mentioned earlier the [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► begin something and I just about him [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► tying everything together my first [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► thought was like that sounds like [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► something isaac asimov often do and [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► infected do that's true too and there's [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► some arguments there about whether that [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► really worked or not when I said I the [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► robots in the foundation are the same [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► haha look on you forgot the spoiler [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► Wow yes [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► we still spoiled in freestyle something [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► without writers been dead for like 20 [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► years you have probably not our statute [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► of limitations and spoilers have you [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► guys read spin by robert charles wilson [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► no no I don't know of it [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► oh man well maybe that should be what it [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► is that won the hugo award in 2006 and [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► it is great i think spin i might also be [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► one of the other things i have never [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► read that's a good one [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► it's i'm looking at the hugo winner 0 [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► and we want to we want to talk Michael [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► Chabon so maybe what we should do is do [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► your dishes policemen's union i think we [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► all agreed last time that might be a [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► good one to talk about might have [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► refresh my memory [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► yeah yeah that was a good book to so [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► what we'll set something up and will [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► will next time you hear from us dear [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► listener we will have our act together [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► and all of us will have read something [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► maybe that's a maybe even the same ya [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► mama knows and I guess that we've [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► reached the end of our time for now but [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► as always i want to remind everybody [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► they can go to the incomparable com you [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► can leave comments you can send it your [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► comments into podcast at the [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► uncomfortable com tell us what you like [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► what you don't like what you think we [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► should read what you want to hear more [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► of your opinion about the spoiler horn [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► anything else and until next time I want [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► to thank the my fellow compatriots here [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► on the podcast our friend called well [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► thanks for being here [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► I thank you Scott McNulty I'm glad that [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► you finally got out of your shell and [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► spoke up and told us what you really [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► forced podcast ever and and more and i'm [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► going back into my shell next time [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► alright thank goodness for that [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► until next time for everybody here at [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► the uncomfortable [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► we'll see you later bye [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► all clear [TS]

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