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5: Shakespeare is a Hack!

 

00:00:00   comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/0">TS</a>]

00:00:04   September's well attended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/4">TS</a>]

00:00:06   we're back on the incomparable podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/6">TS</a>]

00:00:09   in the book club is back in session [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/9">TS</a>]

00:00:10   I'm Jason Snelling joining me today to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/10">TS</a>]

00:00:12   discuss books are Dan Morgan hello Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/12">TS</a>]

00:00:16   by Jason and Scott McNulty is with us as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/16">TS</a>]

00:00:20   well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/20">TS</a>]

00:00:20   hello I'm hoping you'll say more this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/20">TS</a>]

00:00:22   time in the last time we're gonna cater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/22">TS</a>]

00:00:24   to your strength today i will be like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/24">TS</a>]

00:00:27   prime mine the only one who's allowed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/27">TS</a>]

00:00:30   speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/30">TS</a>]

00:00:31   oh that is a bit of foreshadowing there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/31">TS</a>]

00:00:34   and laughing at scotts joke in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/34">TS</a>]

00:00:36   background there is serenity Caldwell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/36">TS</a>]

00:00:38   ran welcome hello hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/38">TS</a>]

00:00:39   alright we are going to talk books today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/39">TS</a>]

00:00:41   and I guess since Scott has has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/41">TS</a>]

00:00:44   mentioned the prime we will start with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/44">TS</a>]

00:00:46   book recommended last month by Dan which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/46">TS</a>]

00:00:50   is gone away world by Nick Harkaway dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/50">TS</a>]

00:00:52   you want to explain a little bit about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/52">TS</a>]

00:00:54   what this book is about and three of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/54">TS</a>]

00:00:56   four of us have read it now so we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/56">TS</a>]

00:00:57   discuss it and serenity can plug your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/57">TS</a>]

00:01:00   ears or just listen and be amazed I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/60">TS</a>]

00:01:03   kind of interesting mishmash book in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/63">TS</a>]

00:01:06   that it sort of starts out as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/66">TS</a>]

00:01:07   post-apocalyptic story and then we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/67">TS</a>]

00:01:10   back in time and get the events lead up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/70">TS</a>]

00:01:12   to this apocalyptic happening uh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/72">TS</a>]

00:01:15   it's centers around these characters in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/75">TS</a>]

00:01:19   this halogen hazmat company and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/79">TS</a>]

00:01:21   specifically one of them a guy named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/81">TS</a>]

00:01:23   gonzo lubitsch who is the best friend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/83">TS</a>]

00:01:25   the narrator and it deals with sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/85">TS</a>]

00:01:28   their the intertwined lives of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/88">TS</a>]

00:01:31   narrator and his friend gonzo and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/91">TS</a>]

00:01:33   they sort of came up together and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/93">TS</a>]

00:01:36   their lives leading up to this posted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/96">TS</a>]

00:01:38   this a apocalyptic event that creates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/98">TS</a>]

00:01:41   this basically the military's of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/101">TS</a>]

00:01:44   world creepers go away bomb that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/104">TS</a>]

00:01:48   when set off is supposed to be a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/108">TS</a>]

00:01:51   humane weapon but when set off they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/111">TS</a>]

00:01:53   sort of like obliterates anything it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/113">TS</a>]

00:01:55   just makes things not be almost the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/115">TS</a>]

00:01:57   right obliterates reality and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59   side effects to the right which they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/119">TS</a>]

00:02:01   running to unanticipated side effects of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/121">TS</a>]

00:02:03   that so after sort of a nuclear style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/123">TS</a>]

00:02:07   war in which you know everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/127">TS</a>]

00:02:09   setting off these bombs the whole world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/129">TS</a>]

00:02:10   is kind of decimated and it reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/130">TS</a>]

00:02:14   itself is kind of torn up and as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/134">TS</a>]

00:02:17   result the this company the only sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/137">TS</a>]

00:02:20   safe places are these places where this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/140">TS</a>]

00:02:22   company has this pipeline running that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/142">TS</a>]

00:02:23   dispenses this gas that actually makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/143">TS</a>]

00:02:26   it sort of a habitable region again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   right it is sort of a it's the Fox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/148">TS</a>]

00:02:31   riding it and basically what it does is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/151">TS</a>]

00:02:33   it pushes the pushes out the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/153">TS</a>]

00:02:35   unreality that's encroaching and kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/155">TS</a>]

00:02:37   forces areas livable areas of reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/157">TS</a>]

00:02:41   exactly and so I mean I found the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/161">TS</a>]

00:02:44   really if from my point of view I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/164">TS</a>]

00:02:46   it fascinating because not only is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/166">TS</a>]

00:02:49   got this sort of heavy post-apocalyptic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/169">TS</a>]

00:02:50   vibe but it's kind of intertwined with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/170">TS</a>]

00:02:53   story that is largely a you know comedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/173">TS</a>]

00:02:57   epic fantasy you know it's just such as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/177">TS</a>]

00:03:01   a melange of all these different genre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/181">TS</a>]

00:03:04   types as I was as i was reading it I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/184">TS</a>]

00:03:07   started to think that every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/187">TS</a>]

00:03:08   chapter of the book and this isn't true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10   after a while it's not true but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12   first like eight or nine chapters each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/192">TS</a>]

00:03:14   chapter is essentially its own genre and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/194">TS</a>]

00:03:18   you keep leaping from this one will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   about mines this one will be about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/200">TS</a>]

00:03:21   ninjas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/201">TS</a>]

00:03:22   this is a coming-of-age story this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24   post-apocalyptic story it seriously at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26   eight and you can't believe that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/206">TS</a>]

00:03:28   next chapter is going to be this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/208">TS</a>]

00:03:29   different from the previous one and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/209">TS</a>]

00:03:30   it keeps on shifting gears as it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/210">TS</a>]

00:03:33   and yet all sort of gets tied together i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/213">TS</a>]

00:03:36   don't end comes around with a with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/216">TS</a>]

00:03:37   surprising that's surprising twist there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/217">TS</a>]

00:03:40   is it there is a twist i wanted to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/220">TS</a>]

00:03:41   it at the beginning though and ask you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/221">TS</a>]

00:03:43   this question I been reading this over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45   the last couple of weeks on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/225">TS</a>]

00:03:48   recommendation dan I wonder if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/228">TS</a>]

00:03:52   first chapter is necessary because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/232">TS</a>]

00:03:54   first chapter it does this the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56   thing that you saw on you've seen a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   bunch of different TV shows its this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   narrative device where you start in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/240">TS</a>]

00:04:04   middle of the action and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/244">TS</a>]

00:04:05   flashback yes and i was i was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/245">TS</a>]

00:04:08   confused by it because not only are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/248">TS</a>]

00:04:11   being plot drop lockdown in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/251">TS</a>]

00:04:12   of the action but and you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/252">TS</a>]

00:04:15   what's going on but then as soon as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/255">TS</a>]

00:04:17   start to get some clue about what might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/257">TS</a>]

00:04:19   be going on then everything backs up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/259">TS</a>]

00:04:22   it's like you're reading a completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/262">TS</a>]

00:04:23   different book you don't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/263">TS</a>]

00:04:25   what's going on there's very little in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/265">TS</a>]

00:04:26   common and it takes a long time for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   to get back there and the moment that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/268">TS</a>]

00:04:31   flashback from is not a particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/271">TS</a>]

00:04:34   revelatory moments there is a revelatory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/274">TS</a>]

00:04:37   moment in the book that's not where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/277">TS</a>]

00:04:39   start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/279">TS</a>]

00:04:39   well it's not it's kind of at the setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   right like the first chapter is the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   this company gets hired to go into you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/283">TS</a>]

00:04:46   know the sort of the dangerous zone for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/286">TS</a>]

00:04:48   a job and then we flash back and explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/288">TS</a>]

00:04:51   how the characters the main sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53   characters met but I agree it's very its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/293">TS</a>]

00:04:55   kind of jarring because you start you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/295">TS</a>]

00:04:57   know especially for you know the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/297">TS</a>]

00:04:58   person reads a the book jacket and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/298">TS</a>]

00:05:00   thinks oh ok this book this is a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/300">TS</a>]

00:05:02   about acts and you're like okay this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/302">TS</a>]

00:05:05   a post-apocalyptic book ok so you go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/305">TS</a>]

00:05:07   the first chapter does have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/307">TS</a>]

00:05:08   post-apocalyptic setup but it is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10   there's not all it takes a little time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/310">TS</a>]

00:05:12   to get oriented in the world and then as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/312">TS</a>]

00:05:14   you say once you do this sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/314">TS</a>]

00:05:15   carpet kinda gets pulled out from under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/315">TS</a>]

00:05:16   you and you get thrust back into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18   explaining how everything got to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/318">TS</a>]

00:05:20   point so if you're saying yeah i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/320">TS</a>]

00:05:23   agree to a certain extent that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/323">TS</a>]

00:05:24   there's a there's a weird sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26   structure to that first couple chapters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28   yeah i'm not sure i needed that first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/328">TS</a>]

00:05:29   chapter I think of almost I might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31   almost preferred to just be linear and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/331">TS</a>]

00:05:34   tell me the story that leads to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/334">TS</a>]

00:05:35   world being gone away instead of sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/335">TS</a>]

00:05:37   seeing this weird a post-apocalyptic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   period and then and then wondering for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/339">TS</a>]

00:05:42   while if there had been an error in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/342">TS</a>]

00:05:44   book i totally thought the first chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/344">TS</a>]

00:05:47   was not needed whatsoever and I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/347">TS</a>]

00:05:49   like it at all and I it made its kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/349">TS</a>]

00:05:51   set me up to not like the book at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/351">TS</a>]

00:05:52   which is unfortunate because in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/352">TS</a>]

00:05:56   i did like the book after get I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/356">TS</a>]

00:05:57   even go as far as to say if you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/357">TS</a>]

00:05:59   to read this book just skip the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/359">TS</a>]

00:06:01   chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/361">TS</a>]

00:06:01   you don't need to read the first chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/361">TS</a>]

00:06:03   or you can come back to it when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05   reach that point I wish I don't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   know off the top of my head what chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   it fits between but you literally could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/369">TS</a>]

00:06:11   just rip it out and put it in space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/371">TS</a>]

00:06:13   later because there's a brief recap but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/373">TS</a>]

00:06:16   essentially you can just drop it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/376">TS</a>]

00:06:17   there and say all right now read this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/377">TS</a>]

00:06:18   and then continue and I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/378">TS</a>]

00:06:21   his first novel by don't know if he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/381">TS</a>]

00:06:22   written anything else since then but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/382">TS</a>]

00:06:23   think he's fought he falls into the trap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25   that many first novelists do and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/385">TS</a>]

00:06:28   I need to show off my dazzling writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/388">TS</a>]

00:06:30   skills at any moment and structure this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/390">TS</a>]

00:06:32   novel in such a way that is new and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/392">TS</a>]

00:06:35   makes it interesting and makes it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37   something that you want to read and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   actively think about which I just found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41   annoying in this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   well I think he's got it I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/403">TS</a>]

00:06:45   personally I like his style i think he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/405">TS</a>]

00:06:47   got a quite a way with words and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/407">TS</a>]

00:06:49   prose i found i really enjoyed he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/409">TS</a>]

00:06:52   doesn't have a deft touch with it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/412">TS</a>]

00:06:54   understand that's not necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/414">TS</a>]

00:06:55   everybody style or to everybody's liking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/415">TS</a>]

00:06:57   sort of ornate this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/417">TS</a>]

00:07:00   no I I i like the book / also i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/420">TS</a>]

00:07:03   know that everything I've said so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/423">TS</a>]

00:07:05   may lead you to think I didn't but I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/425">TS</a>]

00:07:07   enjoy it while you got to see a hostile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/427">TS</a>]

00:07:08   Scott jeez I just an angry man i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/428">TS</a>]

00:07:11   go to the gym later it's it's not a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/431">TS</a>]

00:07:13   day but I spent the last five hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/433">TS</a>]

00:07:16   reading you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/436">TS</a>]

00:07:17   you know the last half of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/437">TS</a>]

00:07:19   because I i we had an assignment and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/439">TS</a>]

00:07:21   had to finish it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/441">TS</a>]

00:07:22   damn it and so I enjoyed it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/442">TS</a>]

00:07:25   thought it was it was a very good book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/445">TS</a>]

00:07:26   but i don't think that i felt a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/446">TS</a>]

00:07:29   times that he was just kind of showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31   off when he was writing which i found a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/451">TS</a>]

00:07:32   little i don't like writing that calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/452">TS</a>]

00:07:35   attention to itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/455">TS</a>]

00:07:36   I like this I like this pro style but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/456">TS</a>]

00:07:38   thought I think that he made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/458">TS</a>]

00:07:39   narrative choices that you could tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   were sort of a show-off and and that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/461">TS</a>]

00:07:44   i agree with you there i feel like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/464">TS</a>]

00:07:48   he didn't have to do what he did to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50   start to start the book out and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52   showy and I don't think it was necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/472">TS</a>]

00:07:54   which is not to say that I'd I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/474">TS</a>]

00:07:55   book to a one of the things that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/475">TS</a>]

00:07:59   there's so many things that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/479">TS</a>]

00:08:00   ninjas there are mines there is a prime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02   who can speak but the other Minds can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   speak there is this post-apocalyptic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/484">TS</a>]

00:08:05   world there's some romance there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07   massive plot twist that quite honestly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/487">TS</a>]

00:08:11   want to talk about that one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   problems with this podcast as I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/493">TS</a>]

00:08:14   know what we should spoil what we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/494">TS</a>]

00:08:15   not spoil or whether we should talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   about it kind of obliquely vs vs not but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/497">TS</a>]

00:08:20   um with a reliable narrator we consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/500">TS</a>]

00:08:24   sword i know it is late i don't like but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/504">TS</a>]

00:08:27   there's this this moment we're not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/507">TS</a>]

00:08:30   just the plot twist happen but the plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/510">TS</a>]

00:08:31   twist is preceded or i guess in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/511">TS</a>]

00:08:34   middle of this plot twist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36   there is a moment of kind of a shocking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/516">TS</a>]

00:08:38   moment where where I i was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/518">TS</a>]

00:08:41   emotionally affected by the fact that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/521">TS</a>]

00:08:43   basically this main character we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/523">TS</a>]

00:08:45   following all along and he's fallen in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/525">TS</a>]

00:08:47   love and he he marries this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/527">TS</a>]

00:08:51   woman and uh and then it his entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/531">TS</a>]

00:08:54   marriage and in some ways it seems his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   entire life is ripped away and it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/536">TS</a>]

00:09:00   quite brutal and I thought very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/540">TS</a>]

00:09:01   effective i was really affected by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/541">TS</a>]

00:09:03   fact that our poor narrator is suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/543">TS</a>]

00:09:07   lost his happy home and his wife and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/547">TS</a>]

00:09:10   marriage and a happen and then that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/550">TS</a>]

00:09:13   not even that's just the start of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   it's like why did this happen but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/555">TS</a>]

00:09:16   first moment was really powerful i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/556">TS</a>]

00:09:18   thought i agree i think i think there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/558">TS</a>]

00:09:21   a you know I a circus tent i will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/561">TS</a>]

00:09:24   this i mean you know going in you kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/564">TS</a>]

00:09:25   of know the narrator's never really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   mentioned by name and that turns out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/567">TS</a>]

00:09:29   be you know an important point later on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/569">TS</a>]

00:09:31   but i think that in some ways that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/571">TS</a>]

00:09:33   attention to it right because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   you whenever you read something where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/575">TS</a>]

00:09:38   there's a key piece of information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/578">TS</a>]

00:09:40   deliberately omitted you know you always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/580">TS</a>]

00:09:43   kind of have that in the back of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/583">TS</a>]

00:09:44   head that they're okay there must be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/584">TS</a>]

00:09:46   reason why this choice was made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/586">TS</a>]

00:09:49   narrator is kind of the narrator's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/589">TS</a>]

00:09:51   childhood is very strange as well that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/591">TS</a>]

00:09:54   makes you think what something's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/594">TS</a>]

00:09:55   right here raised here it's clear when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   the narrator's introduced that something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   is going on because he's introduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01   crying and after some horrible event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/601">TS</a>]

00:10:05   that you're not told what it is and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   it sets up a question but it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/607">TS</a>]

00:10:09   that's not quite the right question to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/609">TS</a>]

00:10:10   ask about the history of the narrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/610">TS</a>]

00:10:12   it's it's a red herring right it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/612">TS</a>]

00:10:14   you have one path and and you don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/614">TS</a>]

00:10:16   mean and which is good because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18   distracts you and thinks you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/618">TS</a>]

00:10:19   maybe an idea of what the answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/619">TS</a>]

00:10:21   behind this this character story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/621">TS</a>]

00:10:24   then realize later that it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/624">TS</a>]

00:10:26   hundred eighty degrees from that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/626">TS</a>]

00:10:27   whatever and a plot twist happened i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/627">TS</a>]

00:10:32   want to ask you guys this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/632">TS</a>]

00:10:33   I i was initially mad because I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/633">TS</a>]

00:10:36   like he wasn't playing fair and that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/636">TS</a>]

00:10:38   was it was really a cheat and it I over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/638">TS</a>]

00:10:41   the next couple of chapters as it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/641">TS</a>]

00:10:45   sort of got resolved I felt like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   not as much of a cheat as I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   initially thought because I was like but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/649">TS</a>]

00:10:50   what about this but what about this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/650">TS</a>]

00:10:51   what about this don't we know all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53   things and it became clear later that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   was entirely achieved but i want to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   you guys you know did you get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/657">TS</a>]

00:10:58   feeling that it's like well okay i see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/658">TS</a>]

00:11:00   this is a twist but does is doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/660">TS</a>]

00:11:02   really hold up with what we thought we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04   you earlier well I mean okay I it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/664">TS</a>]

00:11:08   awhile since i've read the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/668">TS</a>]

00:11:09   unfortunate because i keep recommending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/669">TS</a>]

00:11:10   it to everyone else because i read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/670">TS</a>]

00:11:11   like a year ago but i think i right as i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13   recall reading at that point I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/673">TS</a>]

00:11:15   finished up the end of the look in a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/675">TS</a>]

00:11:16   chunk I I very much remember pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/676">TS</a>]

00:11:18   like having to sort of put the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/678">TS</a>]

00:11:21   aside for a second and just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23   think about it and sort of you trace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   everything that had happened in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/685">TS</a>]

00:11:27   okay yeah what does this make sense and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/687">TS</a>]

00:11:30   I think I i came to that conclusion a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/690">TS</a>]

00:11:31   little clique quicker that like oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/691">TS</a>]

00:11:33   god this really you know like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/693">TS</a>]

00:11:34   flipped back through the book and check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/694">TS</a>]

00:11:35   a couple of things whenever you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/695">TS</a>]

00:11:36   oh wait no this really does make a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/696">TS</a>]

00:11:39   of like not only answer a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/699">TS</a>]

00:11:40   questions but also sort of fit in with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/700">TS</a>]

00:11:43   the whole tone and plot of the book it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/703">TS</a>]

00:11:47   so i guess i didn't feel as much of it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49   didn't have that initial reaction that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/709">TS</a>]

00:11:50   it was a cheap I was but I was sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   realized you said Jason I was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/712">TS</a>]

00:11:53   affected by it and very sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/713">TS</a>]

00:11:56   impressed with the fact that there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/716">TS</a>]

00:11:59   not what I had expected at all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/719">TS</a>]

00:12:02   just got well I thought at first I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/722">TS</a>]

00:12:03   thought it was a cheat because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/723">TS</a>]

00:12:04   actually and I think that he wanted you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   to miss miss miss understand what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/726">TS</a>]

00:12:09   twist was exactly and so I kinda because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/729">TS</a>]

00:12:12   I don't without ruining anything it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/732">TS</a>]

00:12:14   hard to talk about it so i thought one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/734">TS</a>]

00:12:16   thing that happened and then a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/736">TS</a>]

00:12:18   chapters later it is clear what actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   did happen and once i'm gonna i'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/740">TS</a>]

00:12:22   fire the spoiler horn here and and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/742">TS</a>]

00:12:25   we're about to talk about the the plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/745">TS</a>]

00:12:27   twists in detail and if you don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/747">TS</a>]

00:12:28   to hear we have it became a few minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/748">TS</a>]

00:12:31   in the podcast do we have an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/751">TS</a>]

00:12:32   spoiler horn com going forward we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/752">TS</a>]

00:12:35   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/755">TS</a>]

00:12:39   alright so Scott what you're saying is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/759">TS</a>]

00:12:42   so what did u it turns out that that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/762">TS</a>]

00:12:45   should just say it turns out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/765">TS</a>]

00:12:46   happens is the narrator is actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/766">TS</a>]

00:12:49   imaginary friend of gonzo lubitsch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/769">TS</a>]

00:12:53   didn't exist except that when gonzo gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/773">TS</a>]

00:12:57   some unreality stuff sprayed on him by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/777">TS</a>]

00:13:00   accident he every time I described as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/780">TS</a>]

00:13:04   like waiting for you to say no no you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   completely misunderstood it he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/786">TS</a>]

00:13:07   because he essentially becomes manifest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09   and so all of this imaginary friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   including all of the sort of Gonzo's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/791">TS</a>]

00:13:13   impulses that he wants to suppress and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/793">TS</a>]

00:13:16   he could sort of pushes off on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/796">TS</a>]

00:13:17   imaginary friend are essentially ripped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/797">TS</a>]

00:13:20   out of gonzo and he has made he's made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/800">TS</a>]

00:13:22   manifest so it's not really achieved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/802">TS</a>]

00:13:24   that the imaginary friend is talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/804">TS</a>]

00:13:25   about his life in the past because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/805">TS</a>]

00:13:27   has those memories it's just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/807">TS</a>]

00:13:29   they're actually an aspect of Gonzo's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/809">TS</a>]

00:13:31   personality that has been torn away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/811">TS</a>]

00:13:34   him into the second person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36   well and of course at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/816">TS</a>]

00:13:37   gonzo is left as a very different person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/817">TS</a>]

00:13:40   because he doesn't he no longer has that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/820">TS</a>]

00:13:42   that you know person sitting on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/822">TS</a>]

00:13:44   shoulder with that part of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/824">TS</a>]

00:13:47   conscience basically saying you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/827">TS</a>]

00:13:49   maybe you should do this no no I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/829">TS</a>]

00:13:50   interested in that or the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52   he's pushed away when he's uncertain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54   about who he is or did he do the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56   thing sometimes he'll compartmentalize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/836">TS</a>]

00:13:57   it i think we would say and put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/837">TS</a>]

00:13:59   this other person and now it's gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/839">TS</a>]

00:14:01   which means he's a much more sure kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/841">TS</a>]

00:14:03   of person even though he may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/843">TS</a>]

00:14:04   actually be sure he just took his his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/844">TS</a>]

00:14:07   uncertainty and shoved it in this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/847">TS</a>]

00:14:09   guy who was balancing his personality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/849">TS</a>]

00:14:12   and is now gone because he's now walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14   around in in reality and it and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/854">TS</a>]

00:14:16   said you know if you wanted to draw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/856">TS</a>]

00:14:18   immediate parallel that I drew and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/858">TS</a>]

00:14:20   hope this isn't as well if anybody is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/860">TS</a>]

00:14:23   fight club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/863">TS</a>]

00:14:25   yes are spoiling that you which has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/865">TS</a>]

00:14:28   very very very similar device in it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/868">TS</a>]

00:14:32   i think that there's you know the eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/872">TS</a>]

00:14:35   but I mean again I think what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37   sense about it here is that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/877">TS</a>]

00:14:38   already been led up into all this how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40   exposure to the the stuff the unreality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/880">TS</a>]

00:14:43   aspect is very unpredictable and has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/883">TS</a>]

00:14:46   these kind of effects you know we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   sort of been led up to that the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   way through as we watched these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52   characters deal with this fall out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/892">TS</a>]

00:14:55   basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/895">TS</a>]

00:14:56   and so for me that's why did I felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/896">TS</a>]

00:14:58   oh wow that really makes sense because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/898">TS</a>]

00:15:00   we've you know we've sort of experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/900">TS</a>]

00:15:02   this through their their adventures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/902">TS</a>]

00:15:04   journeys up to this point Scott so Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/904">TS</a>]

00:15:06   what did you think the twist really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/906">TS</a>]

00:15:07   meant before you found out that didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/907">TS</a>]

00:15:09   mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/909">TS</a>]

00:15:10   so that was what the trust was but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/910">TS</a>]

00:15:11   i read it i thought uh I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/911">TS</a>]

00:15:14   the stuff had erased the narrator and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/914">TS</a>]

00:15:17   yes me too and I was like well what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/917">TS</a>]

00:15:19   does really make any sense because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/919">TS</a>]

00:15:21   that's what I mean through the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/921">TS</a>]

00:15:22   book that is not what this stuff does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/922">TS</a>]

00:15:23   and it doesn't do this so what's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/923">TS</a>]

00:15:25   on and i was very confused and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/925">TS</a>]

00:15:28   then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/928">TS</a>]

00:15:29   gonzo shoots him and I'm like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/929">TS</a>]

00:15:30   understand what's going on and then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/930">TS</a>]

00:15:33   explains what went on my god that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35   a lot more sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/935">TS</a>]

00:15:36   well I and it makes that scene once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38   realize that the scene where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/938">TS</a>]

00:15:39   narrator discovers that his wife doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/939">TS</a>]

00:15:41   know him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/941">TS</a>]

00:15:42   it actually makes it i think even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/942">TS</a>]

00:15:43   effective because now you realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   it's even worse than that it's the gonzo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   can't can't really fit he hit one aspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/947">TS</a>]

00:15:52   of his personality which is him as this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   kind of tough guy adventurer with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/954">TS</a>]

00:15:57   other aspect which is him and as a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/957">TS</a>]

00:15:59   with a home life and in many ways his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01   relationship with his wife was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/961">TS</a>]

00:16:04   compartmentalize and has now been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   stripped from him and is in this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   guy because the other guy loves Gonzo's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/968">TS</a>]

00:16:11   wife and gonzo doesn't know quite how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   relate to her anymore and it's very sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/973">TS</a>]

00:16:15   because you know he i think Harkaway is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   trying to say something about how we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/977">TS</a>]

00:16:19   contain multitudes and what if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   actually like took pieces of yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/981">TS</a>]

00:16:23   and not to get all star trek but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/983">TS</a>]

00:16:25   know split them into and then you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/985">TS</a>]

00:16:27   two different pieces of yourself and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/987">TS</a>]

00:16:28   they would it would work the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/988">TS</a>]

00:16:30   right and the only way gonzo can express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   his feelings for his wife is to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34   and you know take his other half away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/994">TS</a>]

00:16:37   and because he feels that the other half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/997">TS</a>]

00:16:40   is a handwritten or take his wife away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:43   so it takes the other guy and shoes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:45   shoot some multiple times and pushes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   them out of a moving truck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:48   well I mean because they you get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:49   very much in India if you wanted to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   into sort of a psychological profile you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   could say it's sort of separating his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:54   like his aid from his you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:57   supereeego type thing where it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:58   he's primal like the gonzo that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:00   left with is a very sort of impulsive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:02   violent like you know but but heroic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:05   what gone so like to think of themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:07   as right it's like the party gonzo gonzo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:10   was comfortable writing but he's also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:12   very you know he's got that very he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:13   rough around the edges he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:14   necessarily have that like sensitivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:16   Randy you know I think even you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:19   love that hard way does a great job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:21   like talking about the the martial arts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:24   styles that they both study and how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:28   know the the narrator has you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:31   did never really fit in with the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   you know brutal strength-based martial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35   arts stuff that gonzo really favored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:36   right and instead took this sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:38   softer approach of you know something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40   that's kind of sort of almost an aikido [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:42   like martial arts where it's all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:43   you know control and balance and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:47   know agility and all those things and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:48   liked how that was such an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:51   like diversion like it was a great I a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:53   way of expressing who these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:55   characters were yeah that was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:59   moments where I really didn't I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01   it was a cheat was like wait how can he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:02   not be gone so if the if they did all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:06   that stuff with the with the master of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:08   the martial arts and it turns out that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:09   the story is that there are parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:11   God's life that didn't really work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:13   him and didn't fit with his self-image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:15   so we stuck them on the side it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:16   soft martial arts didn't really fit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   with his tough-guy image he didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   to talk about the fact that he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:22   involved with the very people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:24   invented the to go away bomb he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:26   want so he compartmentalize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:27   completely and just basically act as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   i was never with the scientists it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31   who I am I'm a tough guy adventurer i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:34   stick that over here and so in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:35   the narrator ends up being the guy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:37   the lab coat who was there when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:38   invented the bombs instead of gone so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:40   yeah it very very interesting and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:44   should also point out for those who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:45   who have heated have not heeded the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:47   spoiler horn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:48   you know that the plot twist in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:51   there's a lot that happens after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:54   plot twist sure that the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:56   interesting because I was like oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:57   there's this big plot interest a plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59   twist and then I look like I still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:01   like a third of the book 3 what is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03   to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:03   yeah exactly should we fire the spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:06   horn the all clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:08   yes yes yes bring up so so in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:14   dan I know your verdict on the gun away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:16   world because you've recommended it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:18   lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:19   Scott did you like it I mean you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:21   you kind of liked in the end right i did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   that was very good i mean i think if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:25   take it in the frame of mind that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:26   his first novel and it's a fun read and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:28   it's not what you're expecting and don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:30   read the first chapter don't read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:32   first chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:32   it was well done i enjoyed I really i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:36   highlighted a bunch of things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:37   thought were very funny i highlighted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:38   some stuff too because I thought that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:40   thought there was some really good stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:41   in here and i'll just read one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:44   well maybe three two one of them that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46   thought was really good this is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:47   thing about reading on the kindle is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:48   that I can actually call it my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:49   highlights on the web and read them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:51   which is pretty cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:52   the rest of her communication has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:53   removed with a razor blades lift leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:55   me holding a limp carcass of eviscerated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   notepaper it's a little spooky it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:59   zombie letter in the middle of the night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:01   it will rise from the grave and eat the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03   other letters starting with the headings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:04   then it will crawl out into the camp and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:06   begin its rampage and some of the scraps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:08   that leaves behind will also reanimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:10   the undead paper plate will spread until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12   nothing can stop at baja and bwahaha is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:16   actually in the book it's not me saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:19   it and and very some almost like Douglas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:21   Adams is sort of besides that about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:26   zombie letters and there's a others or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:27   if he does about serial numbers which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:29   a tech writer i love that these long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:32   serial numbers that you could never make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:34   enough to fill all the serial numbers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:36   the history of all of the planet earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:38   yet they do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:39   just some really funny passages that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:42   that not a lot of books are like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:43   where where you can just be reading a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   paragraph and out of context you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:47   still go okay that was really funny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:48   they're even sentences that are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50   really funny and I highlighted mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   just sentences i also highlighted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:53   the zombie letter think Jason so how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:55   nice if I had turned on social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:58   highlighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1258">TS</a>]

00:20:59   on the kindle anyway very funny and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:02   like to too so I I don't hold it against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:05   Dan for recommending that i buy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:06   book vegas God well as I understand he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:09   actually working on a new book which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:10   I'm very much looking forward to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:12   you should be you have you sold you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:13   made dozens of dollars for him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:16   royalties for your buddy Nick Nick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:17   Harkaway this is always affiliates key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:20   missing it again you get something yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:21   anyway just mind clicking through my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:23   podcast site that's why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   uncomfortable affiliate links will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   us all rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:29   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:32   let's move on and talk about another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:38   book that we mentioned in passing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   this also will fulfill our Zeppelin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   quotient for the podcast excellent yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:44   gone away world sadly Zeppelin free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:47   check Zeppelin free again as then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:49   pointed out in the last book podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:51   there is a large kind of truck thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:55   it's not a Zeppelin it is it is not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:56   close to his up but not as announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   that even remotely it was it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:00   that was quite a stretch to make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:01   claim dan Boneshaker by cherie priest is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:06   a kind of steampunky zombie adventure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:11   novel and it does feature Zeppelin ate a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:15   stolen Confederate Zeppelin in an alt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:19   history civil war that has gone on much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:22   longer than the actual civil war did i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:24   read this is part of the set of hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:27   award nominees i should point out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:28   actually that the city in the city and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:30   the and the windup girl which we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:31   mentioned on the last book podcast tied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:33   for the hugo award for best novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   Jason's already happy then right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:37   I am happy because those are my two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:38   favorites and I ll do it turns out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:40   if I if I braked city in the city ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:43   of the windup girl it would one by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   itself so i feel kind of responsible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:47   haha time you are a jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:49   Jason sure but that's all yes I i wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:52   the windup girl to get an award so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:53   i'm happy i'm very happy anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:55   Boneshaker I think finished I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   say I think maybe finished third but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1377">TS</a>]

00:23:00   was one of the runners-up I i ranked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:04   below the the other two because I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:06   think I thought it was a fun romp I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:07   didn't think it was quite a substantial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:08   as these other two books work but as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:11   you're kind of a young adult it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:13   it's got a its got a mom as the as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:16   protagonist and then a kid her son as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:18   the other protagonist young man and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:21   have an adventure in the city of seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:23   in the late eighteen hundreds but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:25   the salt history world where there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:27   been a machine the Boneshaker has dug up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29   the ground in seattle and release this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   gas that turns people into zombies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:34   essentially and then the Sun gets lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:36   in the city and the mom goes to find him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   and turns out there people living amid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:39   the ruins and it and then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:44   stolen Zeppelin it was all it was a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:46   of fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:47   Scott what do you think about the shaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:49   I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:51   you took the words right out of my mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:52   it was a lot of fun it wasn't we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:55   away world made me think which is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:57   a good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:58   a Boneshaker not too much thinking going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:00   on but a lot of enjoyment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   yeah it was it was a romp I mean there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:05   there to say it didn't make me feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:06   stupid already i don't feel nervous i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:09   did think well reading it but yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:13   it was it was not it was a fun read i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15   was sitting on a beach reading gone away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:16   world thinking this might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:17   automatically be the best choice for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   sitting on the beach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:20   boneshaker felt a little more beachy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:22   that sense of like it's fun and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:24   chases and you're running away from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   zombie horde and people with weapons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:28   and you know Ariel uh fight scenes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:33   gone to love the Zeppelin kind of get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:38   lot of fun a lot of fun stuff and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:39   mysterious two mysterious evil geniuses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:42   that one turns out to be not so genius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:44   see but at least they're two of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:46   yes that's right that's right out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:48   was a I'm I've seen that I've seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:51   story trick before but I I liked it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:54   lot which is you have a character who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:57   may or may not be this figure from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1497">TS</a>]

00:25:00   past and one of the characters says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:02   early on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:04   oh no he's not that guy and you spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:07   not going to fire the spoiler horn yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:08   but and it's a great moment because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:12   you catch it you you save yourself haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14   this person knows something that nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:16   else knows about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:18   what happened to that guy and that isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:20   indeed at the end you find out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   really happened to the to the this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:24   person and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:25   it's a really nice a really nice moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27   that I like a lot but uh I love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:29   moment where it's like if you're paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:30   close enough attention you'll realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32   one character knows more than anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   else knows about what happened and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36   isn't sharing I appreciate that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38   kept it drawn out for that long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:41   where I was I was kind of expecting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:42   that was going to like we would find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:45   why this certain character was dead or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   alive i was expecting we'd find it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   like maybe midway through the book but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:51   appreciate they held on until about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53   last 10 pages before we actually get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:56   big reveal and be like oh that's why and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:59   it makes so much sense after that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:01   like oh of course of course this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:04   would know that and potentially yes I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   i might well if it's not there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:09   the the format of the book is these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11   alternating chapters and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:12   several moments actually where you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:14   like you're going to bring the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:14   characters together the mom and her son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:16   and and I think she does a really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:19   job of frustrating the reader and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:21   know i love it when I get frustrated as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:24   a reader because that's part of the fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:25   of reading a book is like oh they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:26   so close and and then they're split [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:28   apart again and they didn't find each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:30   other so it's it's a you know it's a fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:34   it's a fun kind of rock with a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:35   these the fact that it sent him a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:37   historical period is is a lot of fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   because you don't have high-tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41   solutions to problems you you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:43   most high-tech solution that you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:44   is a gas mask in a Zeppelin which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:46   pretty high-tech really well i mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:49   stack i suppose i'm not sure it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   high-tech supplements a low-tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:52   Zeppelin 100 federates up when how good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:55   could a stolen Confederate Zeppelin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:56   really be well that's aplin was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:58   Cadillac of Zeppelin's of that time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:00   gotta say when i first started reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:02   the book the book tricked me a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:03   bit because I first started reading like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:05   the prologue is great the prologue could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:07   be a book within itself because so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:09   happens we like all right so it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   know Civil War period and you know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:14   there is Evelyn's and there's and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16   yellow zombie gasps yeah but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:19   even get to the gas yet alright the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:20   Boneshaker a giant drill that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:23   imagine being this Giants team operated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:25   thing with a giant drill bit on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:27   front that goes into the earth and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:30   just love this set up or they're like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:31   yes the Russians have found gold in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:33   Alaska so they don't want to sell it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   the US quite yet but they can't get at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:37   the gold so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:38   they gonna do they're going to hire us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:40   going to enter yet to actually make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:43   something to get that gold so then maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:45   they won't have to sell it to the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:46   after all and then see you get like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   of this interesting history stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   oh cool very and then you're like oh no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:53   that's actually just the first five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:55   pages and then after that it's all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:57   the aftermath of this horrible machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:59   that was theoretically done for good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:02   then turned into evil and basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:05   destroyed half of a city and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:07   release the zombie gasps it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09   interesting how much backstory they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   meant a cherry priest manages to pack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:13   into that 10 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15   apparently there's another book in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:16   in this universe that's about about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:19   Zeppelin believe it or not so I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:21   to the Confederate about the Confederate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:23   Zeppelin yeah that is a primary feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:26   and so it's sort of like flies through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:27   this story but is then it part of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:29   own story and I wonder how much of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31   is just okay this is the world that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:32   built here and here it is in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:33   pic first chapter now let's get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:36   the real point but you're right it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:37   really rich and that the first full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   chapter is interesting because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41   actually a little bit more down and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:44   the book as a whole it's like she really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:45   wanted to take you down this depressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   it's like she's working in this Factory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:50   and it and her son doesn't appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:52   her and he runs away and it's and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:54   have to wear these layers of clothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56   avoid the the the stuff that's dripping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:58   out of the sky from this yellow goo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:01   it's just as miserable terrible world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:04   that they live in on the walls outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:06   of Seattle and it you know it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:10   as if you expect the next thing to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:11   like in so many fantasy stories like but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:14   then at then they opened the door to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:16   magical place where things were better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:17   and a magical place where things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   better is where all the zombies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:21   tremendous and yet hit you like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:25   opened up when we got into seattle and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:26   there were zombies everywhere i keep on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28   drawing a conclude drawing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:31   parallels between of all things an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:33   American tail which is like a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:35   bizarre things but it's still it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:38   you have the same kind of thematic ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:40   where oh you have to go to a new place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   in this new place is also scary and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:45   crazy and and there are a lot of points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:48   in that film where people keep missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:51   each other and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:51   specifically family members so it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:54   weird was Harrison survival in bone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:56   shaker is that the boy is that the mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:58   is that it's the boy is a mad scientist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:01   the boy is fievel alright is there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03   haven't seen american tail in a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05   years is there is there a mad scientist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07   who kills people in an American tail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:09   light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:09   oh that's the rashes am sorry i didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:12   know there's a there's a mad scientist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:14   in the rest of them i'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:15   remember if it's in well actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:17   they're they're crazy contraptions in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:19   both american tail and 50 goes well as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:21   far as i remember Fievel goes west are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:23   other Zeppelin's there in weight now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:26   i don't think the reasons they're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   they're flying pigeons something I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:32   pitchers usually flogged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34   yes exactly so the other bitches are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:37   always Paris as far as flying things get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:40   here in California the pigeons fly on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:41   Zeppelin Scott by any other thoughts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:46   about Boneshaker i mean i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:48   recommend it I i think it's a good I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50   also think it's good for a younger not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:52   you know not I'm not a kid audience but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   like a young adult audience i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:55   that's sort of one of the one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:56   targets of that book because it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58   particularly you know nasty and for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:01   zombie right look I think it's just a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:04   really fun really fun reading it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:06   got a teenage character whose likable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:08   but it's also got the mom and it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:11   lot of fun i don't know if the boy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:13   that likable but uh huh well he gets in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:16   over his head his jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:18   well I don't know I thought well I he I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:20   thought he had a reason to do what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   did and then he realized kind of quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:24   that he had totally blown it was trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:26   to how smart do you have to be to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:30   oh I really should not go into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:32   zombie-infested city and look for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:35   someone who may or may not be there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:38   it doesn't take my email can to take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:40   maybe this isn't a good idea and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42   should just go back to school when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44   you've got it you've got to give him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:45   credit though he he goes in by tunnel as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:49   opposed to his mom who has to hitch a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:50   ride on the Zeppelin that's true but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:51   surely has to ensure i was up late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53   because the tunnel collapsed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:54   it's true it's trending wouldn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:56   collapsed if he hadn't got into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:58   yes there I like some of the constant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:01   article he dished one of the images in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:04   that book that I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:05   I guess the there's a whole family of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:07   chinese people who run this strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:09   pumping it's the Chinese like railroad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:12   laborers and they've stayed in seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14   and they run the strange air pumping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   station where they blow in fresh air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18   they've got big tubes that stick up into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:20   the sky pulling the fresh air and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22   they pump it into the down below and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:25   it's such a bizarre industrial just such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27   a strange image and I thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29   really funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:30   well it's hard to imagine to just hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:34   to picture in your head especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:35   because at one point the mother actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:38   goes down one of those two houses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:40   trying to get a mental picture while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:42   you're reading this you're like she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:44   talking about gripping onto the ridges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:46   and things like that you don't exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:47   know how this thing is staying upright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:50   you know hundreds of feet into the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:52   but it sounds pretty cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   yeah yeah alright I'm going to welcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:57   Dan back from his isolation chamber I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1977">TS</a>]

00:32:59   was great in there I really I had a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:01   time to relax catch up on some things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:03   you know take a little nap and now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:05   can read Boneshaker which you have right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:07   you have it's on my bedside table and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:09   will be joining me on my uh my travels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11   this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:12   nice very nice is you know what and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   despite the the advent of e-books in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:17   convenience of reading stuff on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:18   ipad i still it's you know that takeoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:21   and landing part you know when I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:23   put all your stuff away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:24   still still gotta have an actual paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:26   book there I hear you I i endorse this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:29   plan i hate that moment and they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31   you to turn off your kindle those but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:33   they're bastards but thats I say art I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:35   take that opportunity to enjoy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:37   in-flight magazine that's right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39   what magazines for yes SkyMall man let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:42   me tell you I've gotten at least six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:46   different hotdog cookers just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:48   i'm i'm addicted it's a pride I just eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:52   the hot dogs raw it solves that problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:54   I'm feeling rather sick now you're brave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:57   man but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2037">TS</a>]

00:34:02   let's talk about William Gibson now now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:07   i'm speaking so here's haha sooo hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:10   dogs people even give him loves a hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12   dog that's true that's a little-known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:14   fact about William get said he has a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:15   book out called zero history which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:18   actually bought it i think it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:19   first book that I bottom a day of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21   release in maybe ever and it's mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:24   because I could pre-order it and have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:26   delivered to my to my kindle for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   thirteen dollars or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   but I've only read the first couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:31   chapters of it it's the third Gibson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:34   seems to be a trilogy kind of guy he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:37   the third in his third set of trilogies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:41   so I don't know what he does now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:43   he's got three trilogies does he stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:45   it's an ology know but they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:47   they're not connected here or are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   oh that is instead book will connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:52   them all ah the master the master stroke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:54   so he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:56   this is the seat sequence that began [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:58   with the book pattern recognition and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:02   continued in a book whose name now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:04   totally this is it spook country spook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:06   country that's right and I will conclude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:08   with zero history and so I because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:12   haven't read pattern recognition or I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14   gonna have red red zero history yet some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:16   of the same characters a spook country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:17   and as pattern recognition they're set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:20   in the present day to contrast with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:22   neuromancer count 0 and Mona Lisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:24   overdrive which was his first trilogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:26   which was set in a future and cyberspace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   and and no cell phones which is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:30   funny to read those now and they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:33   these pay phones everywhere it's like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:35   I loved pattern recognition though i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:38   don't know if any of you guys have read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:40   that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:41   I read it I liked it but I did not I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:44   not I was not quite as enthusiastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:45   about it as many others were that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:49   that's the one where the main character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51   is allergic to the Michelin Man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:53   yes and other brand and other marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:55   yeah I I was the one who suggested we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:58   should talk about william gibson and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2158">TS</a>]

00:35:59   this point I should admit that I in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:02   don't like William Gibson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   it's a trap this is this is not a mutual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:08   admiration society here or even a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:11   that gives an admiration society and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:13   I really liked I don't have any of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:15   read The Difference Engine sterling yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:18   i have a really good feeling i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:20   like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:20   oh wow that's my least favorite thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:22   he's done by about a mile and see there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:24   you go and then so I read neuromancer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:26   because you know you have to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:27   neuromancer because it is I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29   read that fairly late i only read it uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:31   I don't know five or six years ago i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33   guess and i really liked it even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35   it does have this weird I I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:37   enjoy those books that are clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:38   products of a past arrow-like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:42   interpolating into the future and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:43   just totally like missed something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:46   know like like mobile phones as Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48   saying I find it fascinating because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:51   provides such an insight to the period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:53   in which it was written and I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:55   neuromancer was a fantastic book i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57   really enjoyed it i thought the next you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:58   were not as good in my opinion you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:01   kind of lost a little bit of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:02   whatever magic that he'd gotten into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:04   neuromancer but yet he's he has a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:08   interesting view on on the future and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:12   you know science fiction technological [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14   developments and all that on his books I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:16   mean he said that his books are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:18   obviously commentaries about about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20   time in which they're written so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:21   neuromancer is in a sudden the 2020s or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:24   whatever but it's really about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:25   eighties and it's about technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:28   interfacing with with people in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:30   that that did happen in just not in kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:33   of the detail but a lot of that did come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:35   true and then bits of it didn't move but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   that scene still I mean that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   mentioned the payphones of course that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:40   reminds me of it's such a great scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:42   that's my favorite scene in neuromancer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:45   where we're case the main characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:46   walking through an air i think it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:48   the airport even somewhere in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50   Switzerland it's like the I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:53   it's an airport in your right and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:55   ymca phones right and and and the AI is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:58   trying to reach him and each time he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:00   takes a step past one of these payphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:02   the pay phone rings and as he's walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:05   the pay phone next to him continues to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07   ring and they just goes down the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:09   and caught the Rings follow him because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:11   it knows exactly where he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:13   which is funny because like because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:14   talked about Sherlock why I'm one of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16   move our TV podcast and a few they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:19   that same device in the very first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   episode of which i thought was a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23   yeah well I assumed was a maybe an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:24   immodest neuromancer but yeah and I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:27   a UH in the first of my to unpublished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:30   novels that i wrote I wrote a scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:32   where that is an homage to that seem too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:35   because i love that I love that scene so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37   much it's interesting Scott do you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:40   like his writing style do not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:43   subject matter I'm curious i I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:46   don't I think the best part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:47   neuromancer was the first sentence and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:49   then after that he lost me which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:51   never a good thing it's a great opening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:54   line now it is it is event is one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:56   favorite opening lines so I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:58   that I'm very distressed because I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2338">TS</a>]

00:38:59   thought the the Scottish sci-fi writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:02   Charlie Strong's basically sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:05   homage did in the opening line to one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:07   his books but yeah it was unfortunate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:08   because I didn't like that apparently as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:10   much I didn't like the book but it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:12   he made a very funny point which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:13   again in 1984 whenever Gibson Road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:17   neuromancer a TV that the opening line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:20   is the sky over the port was the color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   of television tuned to a dead Channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   the idea being it was this gray speckly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:26   sky because when you turn to a dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:29   Channel you get stabbed except today if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:31   you turn to a dead Channel you tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:32   get just like a Blue Square and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:35   strong his joke was that it was a bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:37   sunny day and and the sky was as blue as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:41   a dead television turned to a dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:43   Channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:44   this is like the meaning is completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46   changed since neuromancer was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:47   that wasn't as good but sadly that book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:50   also went downhill after the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:52   yeah so yeah I so so when i'd say about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:55   pattern recognition i think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:56   people the perception of Gibson was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58   after neuromancer it was all downhill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:00   and he was kind of after that ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:02   opening sentence neuromancer it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:04   falls down this podcast is ok now but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:09   actually I thought I thought lonely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   soldier overdrive was pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:12   although maybe not as good as new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:14   romancer I thought he made a comeback in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:15   that and then I feel like he got lost I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   think that his middle his second trilogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   of books which were that all tomorrow's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   parties and i forget what the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:24   names were it's sort of setting this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:25   kind of run-down bay area and people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:28   living on the bay bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:29   engine I really didn't like those I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:32   don't didn't think they were very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:33   but when he he did pattern recognition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35   he he wrote his first book that was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38   of tangibly set in the present day or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:40   close to the present day and that book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:43   you know I damn you don't like it like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:46   like it I I think that's his best book I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:49   think it's better than neuromancer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   part of that is because it's it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:53   speak to today and corporations with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   marketing messages and how people try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   affect other people and how the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:58   gets gets used for marketing and he gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:02   used in the script kind of strange kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:04   of a social ways that aren't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:07   anticipated until they until they emerge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:09   and I'm just so mad much about it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:12   really hit home for me plus it was a fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:14   kind of adventure which is sort of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:16   trademark rights and he's writing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   kind of 40 movie Pulp adventures with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:21   this technology sheen on top of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:24   yeah I mean I guess what what fell a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:26   little flat to me was there's this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:29   central sort of conceit in pattern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:31   recognition that has to do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   footage as they call it right arm which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:36   is interesting but at the same time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38   guess I had trouble really grasping what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:41   about like the way he tries to describe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:44   the emotional response that's pulled up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   by people watching this in and is sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:49   of the what turns it into a phenomenon i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:53   fell sort of flat with me and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:55   that's because i read it again a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:56   years after it had come out and at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:59   point i think it was it was interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:02   because I think he did sort of manage to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:05   write about something that had that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:07   now almost commonplace this idea of sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:09   of viral media and yet it it seemed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:15   seem not as far-fetched i think and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:17   had a hard time it's he sort of coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:20   to terms with how people reacted to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:22   extent that they did in the book I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:25   that a little hard to empathize with but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:27   there are a number of things I quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   liked about the book i thought the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:30   character is very interesting i like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:33   sort of the manipulations that go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:34   behind the scenes and certainly the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:37   intriguing and all that that's connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   with the plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:40   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:50   for me if you ask me what writers just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:55   as stylist prose stylist what writers do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2575">TS</a>]

00:43:00   you appreciate the most if you're if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   you're a writer it maybe who do you wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   you could write like and if you ask me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   that question the two answers would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   probably give you right off the bat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:09   would be Nick Hornby and william gibson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:14   think i would think I would sub michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   chabon 44 million but he would be number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:19   three on my list and he could fight it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21   out with get William Gibson if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:22   would be fun to see that now the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:24   case you read your Center one leaves and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:27   then the other leave shortly that so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:30   really damn that would be you that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:31   be your your pair would be Michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:33   Chabon and and nick hornby hornby would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:36   be pretty close to the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:37   yeah I don't know there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:39   about him and I know he's he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:40   necessarily fall into the vein of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:42   kind of stuff we talked about but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:43   actually he makes me laugh out loud you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:46   can are you could argue that slam yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:48   there you go get your name is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   fantastic book and it and it and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:53   john we in the sense that it involves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:55   it's potentially science fiction/fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:59   maybe a little bit but the Tony Hawk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:02   appears in many places mystically as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:05   magical certain spirit guide well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:07   there's also sort of a parallel universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:08   right time travel possible rightly sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:12   of sees things that happen and then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:13   and then he backs up that's also just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:15   it's just a fantastic book and anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:17   that is that it should read it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:18   it is laugh-out-loud funny talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:21   authors whoo-hoo-hoo maybe got off track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:23   and got back on track actually think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:24   that horny corn these last two slam and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:28   what's the one that Juliet naked i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   are actually both really great returns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:31   and i would add a long way down to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:33   which I one way down is good it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35   fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:36   so basically how to be good was bad how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:37   do we get i just read that it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   suspect that is clearly far away his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:42   weakest book are so what about you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:46   ran and ran and Scott writers that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:49   really admire from just as their ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:51   to write and to think about that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53   friend Scott you go oh well Don DeLillo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:56   anyone he's not a science fiction writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:58   and well I guess maybe it kinda is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:00   psycho [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:02   no but he's really he's he is a someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:05   i wish i could write like I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:07   I ever would be able to douglas adams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:09   one of my favorite writers i'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11   if i if I'm as big a fan of his his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:14   skill you know stylistically but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:16   number of ideas and his sense of humor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:19   just unbelievable how much stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   could pack into such a small amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23   space and then he you know he do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25   over the course of hundreds of pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:26   over and over again which is yeah i may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:29   say I the mind boggles at what that man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:32   could think of and then I mean I there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:34   are so many other people that are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:35   jammed in my mind i don't know i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:37   that you know jasper fforde not to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:39   back to him but I i am here is very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:41   he is very good he's one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:43   i really like self funny but you exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:45   is very funny i wish i could look Ren [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:46   Ren has heard of Jasper well see their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:48   yes this because we are we allowed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:50   realize it into core dead people because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:52   in that case i can add Raymond Chandler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:54   to my list to is yes it is possibly one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:55   of the best pro stylist of the 20th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:57   century dead people count you could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   Shakespeare if you'd like to I i well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   today I think that would be I mean he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   a he is you know a writer without peril [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:05   at the same time use of your nose at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:08   least tried i don't think he would say i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:10   wish i could write like Shakespeare you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:12   know after that opening sentence in not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:15   right Goes Down Goes that first rhyming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:18   couplet is so lame I mean come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:21   shall I compare thee to a summers day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:23   all right after that please dont la and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:26   then have it have we stalled enough for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:29   you to get yes yes you stole that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   think well most recently i think one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:34   the sort of up-and-coming offers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   watch is definitely max brooks at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:39   for me like world war z was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:42   book I read of his and then I went back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44   and redheads like zombie thing i'm not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:46   big zombie person in general but World [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:49   War Z has such as spunk to it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:51   suchlike really well-crafted individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:55   stories and they keep you very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:56   invigorated and like both both on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:59   just reading the book but also listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   to the audiobook and I find it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:04   rare that you can have a book that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:07   translate so well as in on the written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:10   page and then also as an audiobook / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:13   radio play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:14   so it's really exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:16   and i'm curious to see what he's writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18   next is just kinda he's on my radar so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20   to speak who that's one of the few books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   that I stopped reading and never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:25   finished which World War anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:27   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:27   haha because i did--like i did--like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:30   threw the costume I liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:32   wow I didn't actually really did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:34   didn't burn its ok i guess not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:37   I don't have ended like despise it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39   I lost interest in yeah that was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:42   alright so now what should we do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:45   should we read next one of the things i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:46   want to do ideally is actually even post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:49   something on our website which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:51   incomparable dot-com about what the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:52   club is reading less next so we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   maybe not fire off the spoiler horn for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:58   the net for the next time at least 44 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:00   some topic i don't know if we'll settle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02   it here or not but do you guys have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:04   suggestions of things you think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   should read or things that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:07   reading right now or things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:09   soon to come out or things that are soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:11   to come out that would work i'll try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:12   look I'm going to look at my list I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:14   fly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:15   um I just signed up for the Mongolian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   add oh yeah i was thinking about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:19   but I i love Stephenson but i'm a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21   a little skeptical of the multi-author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23   yeah two minds with Stevenson I like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:27   man I'd hate him at the same time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:28   it's difficult I i think we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:31   probably talk about maybe gee John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:33   Scalzi and neal stephenson next time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:35   think those would be fun topics mongolia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:37   by the way you come on Goliad dot-com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   spelled like it sounds and it's a this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:42   shared world story over the course of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:45   year and you pay like 10 bucks and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   sort of paid because i'm intrigued by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   the idea and i would like to encourage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:50   them to try it and at some point it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:53   going to be like an iPad an iPhone app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:54   so you can just read the story as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   goes in the app although it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:57   exist yet but I'm looking guy i'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2937">TS</a>]

00:49:00   sucker for that kind of thing it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:02   I want to support people trying new ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:03   to do a little fiction on the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:05   and even if it is it for ten bucks or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:08   whatever it was like it's worth it i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:09   give them up give him some seed money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:11   for them to try it and see if it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:13   mtm from i'm flipping through my my list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:16   of books that are you know that I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:18   write down to make sure i see when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:19   come out and unfortunately most of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:21   are sort of its continuations of series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:24   is but one of the ones all throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:25   their is the second book in a duology by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:28   connie willis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:29   who is a great writer in case you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   never ridden read anything that she has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33   written she's written a number of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:35   including a doomsday book which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:38   believe will yeah those are good and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:40   say nothing of the dog and stay healthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:42   dogs really revisited that same universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:46   in a two-part series the first of which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:49   came out earlier this year and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:50   second of which comes out next month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:52   called blackout and all clear which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:55   route basically also time travel stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:57   that take place primarily during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:59   Blitz I loved those two books to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:03   nothing of the dog and domesday book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:05   what what I found fascinating about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:06   doomsday book great book so depressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:10   and to say nothing of the dog same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:12   universe is so funny and not dark and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:16   black out and all clear i would put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   somewhere in between the two are it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:21   not got the same quite as like oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24   that I you know this is so so like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:27   god I can't even take this that you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:29   with doomsday book when you're flipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:30   you can't stop reading because its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   questions that you say time is just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:34   four so tragic for those who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:36   introduced a book it's essentially your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38   you get to meet a lot of nice people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:39   are going to die of the Black Death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:41   yeah yeah and that's it's not it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:43   have the farcical aspects of to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:45   nothing of the dog but it's still it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47   mainly focused on the history of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:49   world of the the Blitz and you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:52   sort of the experience of that as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:54   just I think we just passed the like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:55   60-something anniversary of it like last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:58   week I heard on the BBC so it seems the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:00   time a a timely moment to revisit it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:03   right Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:05   well are you guys familiar with this job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:08   this upcoming genre of weird writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   called bizarro anybody know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:13   so anyways now one of the I've recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:16   become aware of any sort of an ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18   gentlemen dresses like Superman it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:20   is named after that that ugly gentleman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:22   and I guess the whole point of the genre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24   is that you just write these insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:27   stories that you know are just insane so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:30   one of the the books that I've read it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   only like a hundred pages on is called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   Shatner quake right there i think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:38   you can't so the idea the idea behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:41   this book is that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:42   it's set in an alternate universe where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   William Shatner has this cult of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:46   personality about him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:47   my guess is not too far from the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49   and uh he got there are conventions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:53   dedicated to William Shatner and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   various roles and he goes to one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:57   these conventions and in this world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59   there's a thing called a fiction bomb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:01   that destroys fiction and so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:04   nefarious people who do not who are why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:07   I want to ruin too much but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:08   like William Shatner I and said I set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:10   off one of these bombs and instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12   destroying William Shatner's fictional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   work it does the opposite and creates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:16   multiple Shatner's throughout his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:19   various of the TJ Hooker and Captain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:21   Kirk and william shatner has to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:22   out a way to get out of this building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:25   that is full of himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:26   yeah and just like an apt choice of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:29   words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:30   yeah I I all I can say Scott is our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:32   there's a baja I don't think there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34   there are multiple Shatner's but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:35   Zeppelin's so I don't know multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:38   Shatner's muscles janitors actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:40   conversion rate between Shatner's f1 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:42   roughly three William Shatner's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   persepolis well there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:45   yes when he was younger it was larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   back the race is falling off or toss as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:51   it does so that random read more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:54   you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:54   yeah do we actually want to read zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:56   history we want to actually put that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:59   well it's in hardcover so you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01   need buy the ebook if you want to save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:02   some money or go to a library by re-live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:05   gods are important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:07   I i think it's a third part of a series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:09   so i don't know if i want to recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:10   start having people read part 3 of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:12   series because you know you probably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:15   better off i mean you could this i could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:17   i'm going to read it but you know i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:19   happy to read something else too i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21   going to read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:22   multiple shadows not Scott secondary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:24   let's read something that Scott is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26   to read so well we'll figure something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:28   out and posted on the website of any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:30   suggestions that you have when I the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   only book that I kind of have in my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:34   is not a newer book is not necessarily a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:37   science-fiction so I think I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:39   stay off that for now all right okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:41   fair enough fair enough i don't i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:45   really have anything to suggest at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:46   moment I i I'm still plowing through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:50   i think the last year's year's best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:52   science fiction anthology which I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:54   because it's a I don't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:56   you read the sci-fi magazines or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:58   anything like that and it's a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3238">TS</a>]

00:53:59   dollop of short stories and that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:03   is a collection that I really love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:05   having ani an e-book reader because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:09   a huge volume it's like four or five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:10   hundred pages and I never end up getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:13   through it to the end because then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:15   when I've only got a hundred pages left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:16   i look at the size and I can't bear to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   pack it and take it on the trip because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:20   there's so little of it left and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:22   just never read the last stories in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:24   in the book they could be blank for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:25   I know and I wouldn't know but i wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:28   on an e-book reader it's actually great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:30   and and that's a good that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:32   gardener noise does why don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:35   pronounce his name year's best science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:38   fiction short story anthology so i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:41   throw that out there for people who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:43   into the short story thing its there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45   some good stuff in there is something we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:47   should probably talk about a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49   like not current science fiction but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:51   know maybe Golden Age stuff that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:52   think actually that wouldn't be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   terrible terrible suggestion that little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:57   terrible time is that would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59   terrible advice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:00   I'm sorry I'm uh-huh no I think taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:03   something that sort of perceived as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:04   classic or at least it's been out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:05   for five years or ten years or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   like that we haven't read or that only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09   few of us have read and giving it a read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11   might be a lot of fun uruu is funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:13   because when you mentioned earlier the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:14   begin something and I just about him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16   tying everything together my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:17   thought was like that sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:18   something isaac asimov often do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:20   infected do that's true too and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:23   some arguments there about whether that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:24   really worked or not when I said I the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:28   robots in the foundation are the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:30   haha look on you forgot the spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:35   Wow yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:36   we still spoiled in freestyle something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:39   without writers been dead for like 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:40   years you have probably not our statute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:43   of limitations and spoilers have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   guys read spin by robert charles wilson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   no no I don't know of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:50   oh man well maybe that should be what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:52   is that won the hugo award in 2006 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:55   it is great i think spin i might also be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3355">TS</a>]

00:56:00   one of the other things i have never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:02   read that's a good one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:04   it's i'm looking at the hugo winner 0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:06   and we want to we want to talk Michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   Chabon so maybe what we should do is do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:09   your dishes policemen's union i think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:11   all agreed last time that might be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:12   good one to talk about might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:15   refresh my memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:16   yeah yeah that was a good book to so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18   what we'll set something up and will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:19   will next time you hear from us dear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:21   listener we will have our act together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:23   and all of us will have read something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:26   maybe that's a maybe even the same ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:28   mama knows and I guess that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:31   reached the end of our time for now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:34   as always i want to remind everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:36   they can go to the incomparable com you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:37   can leave comments you can send it your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:39   comments into podcast at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:41   uncomfortable com tell us what you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:43   what you don't like what you think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:44   should read what you want to hear more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46   of your opinion about the spoiler horn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:47   anything else and until next time I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:51   to thank the my fellow compatriots here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:53   on the podcast our friend called well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:55   thanks for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:56   I thank you Scott McNulty I'm glad that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:59   you finally got out of your shell and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:01   spoke up and told us what you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:02   forced podcast ever and and more and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:06   going back into my shell next time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:07   alright thank goodness for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:10   until next time for everybody here at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:12   the uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:14   we'll see you later bye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:21   all clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:26   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYGdyhs/3446">TS</a>]