The Incomparable

5: Shakespeare is a Hack!


00:00:00   comfortable [TS]

00:00:04   September's well attended [TS]

00:00:06   we're back on the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:09   in the book club is back in session [TS]

00:00:10   I'm Jason Snelling joining me today to [TS]

00:00:12   discuss books are Dan Morgan hello Dan [TS]

00:00:16   by Jason and Scott McNulty is with us as [TS]

00:00:20   well [TS]

00:00:20   hello I'm hoping you'll say more this [TS]

00:00:22   time in the last time we're gonna cater [TS]

00:00:24   to your strength today i will be like a [TS]

00:00:27   prime mine the only one who's allowed to [TS]

00:00:30   speak [TS]

00:00:31   oh that is a bit of foreshadowing there [TS]

00:00:34   and laughing at scotts joke in the [TS]

00:00:36   background there is serenity Caldwell [TS]

00:00:38   ran welcome hello hello [TS]

00:00:39   alright we are going to talk books today [TS]

00:00:41   and I guess since Scott has has [TS]

00:00:44   mentioned the prime we will start with a [TS]

00:00:46   book recommended last month by Dan which [TS]

00:00:50   is gone away world by Nick Harkaway dan [TS]

00:00:52   you want to explain a little bit about [TS]

00:00:54   what this book is about and three of the [TS]

00:00:56   four of us have read it now so we can [TS]

00:00:57   discuss it and serenity can plug your [TS]

00:01:00   ears or just listen and be amazed I was [TS]

00:01:03   kind of interesting mishmash book in [TS]

00:01:06   that it sort of starts out as a [TS]

00:01:07   post-apocalyptic story and then we go [TS]

00:01:10   back in time and get the events lead up [TS]

00:01:12   to this apocalyptic happening uh and [TS]

00:01:15   it's centers around these characters in [TS]

00:01:19   this halogen hazmat company and [TS]

00:01:21   specifically one of them a guy named [TS]

00:01:23   gonzo lubitsch who is the best friend of [TS]

00:01:25   the narrator and it deals with sort of [TS]

00:01:28   their the intertwined lives of the [TS]

00:01:31   narrator and his friend gonzo and how [TS]

00:01:33   they sort of came up together and their [TS]

00:01:36   their lives leading up to this posted [TS]

00:01:38   this a apocalyptic event that creates [TS]

00:01:41   this basically the military's of the [TS]

00:01:44   world creepers go away bomb that just [TS]

00:01:48   when set off is supposed to be a very [TS]

00:01:51   humane weapon but when set off they just [TS]

00:01:53   sort of like obliterates anything it [TS]

00:01:55   just makes things not be almost the [TS]

00:01:57   right obliterates reality and there are [TS]

00:01:59   side effects to the right which they [TS]

00:02:01   running to unanticipated side effects of [TS]

00:02:03   that so after sort of a nuclear style [TS]

00:02:07   war in which you know everybody's [TS]

00:02:09   setting off these bombs the whole world [TS]

00:02:10   is kind of decimated and it reality [TS]

00:02:14   itself is kind of torn up and as a [TS]

00:02:17   result the this company the only sort of [TS]

00:02:20   safe places are these places where this [TS]

00:02:22   company has this pipeline running that [TS]

00:02:23   dispenses this gas that actually makes [TS]

00:02:26   it sort of a habitable region again [TS]

00:02:28   right it is sort of a it's the Fox [TS]

00:02:31   riding it and basically what it does is [TS]

00:02:33   it pushes the pushes out the the [TS]

00:02:35   unreality that's encroaching and kind of [TS]

00:02:37   forces areas livable areas of reality [TS]

00:02:41   exactly and so I mean I found the book [TS]

00:02:44   really if from my point of view I found [TS]

00:02:46   it fascinating because not only is it [TS]

00:02:49   got this sort of heavy post-apocalyptic [TS]

00:02:50   vibe but it's kind of intertwined with a [TS]

00:02:53   story that is largely a you know comedy [TS]

00:02:57   epic fantasy you know it's just such as [TS]

00:03:01   a melange of all these different genre [TS]

00:03:04   types as I was as i was reading it I i [TS]

00:03:07   started to think that every single [TS]

00:03:08   chapter of the book and this isn't true [TS]

00:03:10   after a while it's not true but the [TS]

00:03:12   first like eight or nine chapters each [TS]

00:03:14   chapter is essentially its own genre and [TS]

00:03:18   you keep leaping from this one will be [TS]

00:03:20   about mines this one will be about [TS]

00:03:21   ninjas [TS]

00:03:22   this is a coming-of-age story this is a [TS]

00:03:24   post-apocalyptic story it seriously at [TS]

00:03:26   eight and you can't believe that the [TS]

00:03:28   next chapter is going to be this [TS]

00:03:29   different from the previous one and yet [TS]

00:03:30   it keeps on shifting gears as it goes [TS]

00:03:33   and yet all sort of gets tied together i [TS]

00:03:36   don't end comes around with a with a [TS]

00:03:37   surprising that's surprising twist there [TS]

00:03:40   is it there is a twist i wanted to start [TS]

00:03:41   it at the beginning though and ask you [TS]

00:03:43   this question I been reading this over [TS]

00:03:45   the last couple of weeks on your [TS]

00:03:48   recommendation dan I wonder if that [TS]

00:03:52   first chapter is necessary because the [TS]

00:03:54   first chapter it does this the same [TS]

00:03:56   thing that you saw on you've seen a [TS]

00:03:58   bunch of different TV shows its this [TS]

00:04:00   narrative device where you start in the [TS]

00:04:04   middle of the action and then you [TS]

00:04:05   flashback yes and i was i was very [TS]

00:04:08   confused by it because not only are you [TS]

00:04:11   being plot drop lockdown in the middle [TS]

00:04:12   of the action but and you don't know [TS]

00:04:15   what's going on but then as soon as you [TS]

00:04:17   start to get some clue about what might [TS]

00:04:19   be going on then everything backs up and [TS]

00:04:22   it's like you're reading a completely [TS]

00:04:23   different book you don't really know [TS]

00:04:25   what's going on there's very little in [TS]

00:04:26   common and it takes a long time for you [TS]

00:04:28   to get back there and the moment that is [TS]

00:04:31   flashback from is not a particularly [TS]

00:04:34   revelatory moments there is a revelatory [TS]

00:04:37   moment in the book that's not where we [TS]

00:04:39   start [TS]

00:04:39   well it's not it's kind of at the setup [TS]

00:04:41   right like the first chapter is the day [TS]

00:04:43   this company gets hired to go into you [TS]

00:04:46   know the sort of the dangerous zone for [TS]

00:04:48   a job and then we flash back and explain [TS]

00:04:51   how the characters the main sort of [TS]

00:04:53   characters met but I agree it's very its [TS]

00:04:55   kind of jarring because you start you [TS]

00:04:57   know especially for you know the kind of [TS]

00:04:58   person reads a the book jacket and [TS]

00:05:00   thinks oh ok this book this is a book [TS]

00:05:02   about acts and you're like okay this is [TS]

00:05:05   a post-apocalyptic book ok so you go in [TS]

00:05:07   the first chapter does have that [TS]

00:05:08   post-apocalyptic setup but it is very [TS]

00:05:10   there's not all it takes a little time [TS]

00:05:12   to get oriented in the world and then as [TS]

00:05:14   you say once you do this sort of the [TS]

00:05:15   carpet kinda gets pulled out from under [TS]

00:05:16   you and you get thrust back into [TS]

00:05:18   explaining how everything got to that [TS]

00:05:20   point so if you're saying yeah i think i [TS]

00:05:23   agree to a certain extent that that [TS]

00:05:24   there's a there's a weird sort of [TS]

00:05:26   structure to that first couple chapters [TS]

00:05:28   yeah i'm not sure i needed that first [TS]

00:05:29   chapter I think of almost I might have [TS]

00:05:31   almost preferred to just be linear and [TS]

00:05:34   tell me the story that leads to the [TS]

00:05:35   world being gone away instead of sort of [TS]

00:05:37   seeing this weird a post-apocalyptic [TS]

00:05:39   period and then and then wondering for a [TS]

00:05:42   while if there had been an error in the [TS]

00:05:44   book i totally thought the first chapter [TS]

00:05:47   was not needed whatsoever and I didn't [TS]

00:05:49   like it at all and I it made its kind of [TS]

00:05:51   set me up to not like the book at all [TS]

00:05:52   which is unfortunate because in the end [TS]

00:05:56   i did like the book after get I would [TS]

00:05:57   even go as far as to say if you're going [TS]

00:05:59   to read this book just skip the first [TS]

00:06:01   chapter [TS]

00:06:01   you don't need to read the first chapter [TS]

00:06:03   or you can come back to it when you [TS]

00:06:05   reach that point I wish I don't actually [TS]

00:06:07   know off the top of my head what chapter [TS]

00:06:09   it fits between but you literally could [TS]

00:06:11   just rip it out and put it in space [TS]

00:06:13   later because there's a brief recap but [TS]

00:06:16   essentially you can just drop it in [TS]

00:06:17   there and say all right now read this [TS]

00:06:18   and then continue and I think this is [TS]

00:06:21   his first novel by don't know if he's [TS]

00:06:22   written anything else since then but I [TS]

00:06:23   think he's fought he falls into the trap [TS]

00:06:25   that many first novelists do and that is [TS]

00:06:28   I need to show off my dazzling writing [TS]

00:06:30   skills at any moment and structure this [TS]

00:06:32   novel in such a way that is new and [TS]

00:06:35   makes it interesting and makes it you [TS]

00:06:37   something that you want to read and [TS]

00:06:39   actively think about which I just found [TS]

00:06:41   annoying in this case [TS]

00:06:43   well I think he's got it I mean [TS]

00:06:45   personally I like his style i think he's [TS]

00:06:47   got a quite a way with words and his [TS]

00:06:49   prose i found i really enjoyed he [TS]

00:06:52   doesn't have a deft touch with it but I [TS]

00:06:54   understand that's not necessarily [TS]

00:06:55   everybody style or to everybody's liking [TS]

00:06:57   sort of ornate this [TS]

00:07:00   no I I i like the book / also i mean i [TS]

00:07:03   know that everything I've said so far [TS]

00:07:05   may lead you to think I didn't but I did [TS]

00:07:07   enjoy it while you got to see a hostile [TS]

00:07:08   Scott jeez I just an angry man i have to [TS]

00:07:11   go to the gym later it's it's not a good [TS]

00:07:13   day but I spent the last five hours [TS]

00:07:16   reading you [TS]

00:07:17   you know the last half of the book [TS]

00:07:19   because I i we had an assignment and I [TS]

00:07:21   had to finish it [TS]

00:07:22   damn it and so I enjoyed it and I [TS]

00:07:25   thought it was it was a very good book [TS]

00:07:26   but i don't think that i felt a lot of [TS]

00:07:29   times that he was just kind of showing [TS]

00:07:31   off when he was writing which i found a [TS]

00:07:32   little i don't like writing that calls [TS]

00:07:35   attention to itself [TS]

00:07:36   I like this I like this pro style but I [TS]

00:07:38   thought I think that he made the [TS]

00:07:39   narrative choices that you could tell [TS]

00:07:41   were sort of a show-off and and that's I [TS]

00:07:44   i agree with you there i feel like that [TS]

00:07:48   he didn't have to do what he did to [TS]

00:07:50   start to start the book out and it was [TS]

00:07:52   showy and I don't think it was necessary [TS]

00:07:54   which is not to say that I'd I like the [TS]

00:07:55   book to a one of the things that I mean [TS]

00:07:59   there's so many things that there are [TS]

00:08:00   ninjas there are mines there is a prime [TS]

00:08:02   who can speak but the other Minds can't [TS]

00:08:04   speak there is this post-apocalyptic [TS]

00:08:05   world there's some romance there is a [TS]

00:08:07   massive plot twist that quite honestly I [TS]

00:08:11   want to talk about that one of the [TS]

00:08:13   problems with this podcast as I don't [TS]

00:08:14   know what we should spoil what we should [TS]

00:08:15   not spoil or whether we should talk [TS]

00:08:17   about it kind of obliquely vs vs not but [TS]

00:08:20   um with a reliable narrator we consider [TS]

00:08:24   sword i know it is late i don't like but [TS]

00:08:27   there's this this moment we're not only [TS]

00:08:30   just the plot twist happen but the plot [TS]

00:08:31   twist is preceded or i guess in the [TS]

00:08:34   middle of this plot twist [TS]

00:08:36   there is a moment of kind of a shocking [TS]

00:08:38   moment where where I i was really [TS]

00:08:41   emotionally affected by the fact that we [TS]

00:08:43   basically this main character we've been [TS]

00:08:45   following all along and he's fallen in [TS]

00:08:47   love and he he marries this [TS]

00:08:51   woman and uh and then it his entire [TS]

00:08:54   marriage and in some ways it seems his [TS]

00:08:56   entire life is ripped away and it's it's [TS]

00:09:00   quite brutal and I thought very [TS]

00:09:01   effective i was really affected by the [TS]

00:09:03   fact that our poor narrator is suddenly [TS]

00:09:07   lost his happy home and his wife and his [TS]

00:09:10   marriage and a happen and then that's [TS]

00:09:13   not even that's just the start of it [TS]

00:09:15   it's like why did this happen but that [TS]

00:09:16   first moment was really powerful i [TS]

00:09:18   thought i agree i think i think there is [TS]

00:09:21   a you know I a circus tent i will say [TS]

00:09:24   this i mean you know going in you kind [TS]

00:09:25   of know the narrator's never really [TS]

00:09:27   mentioned by name and that turns out to [TS]

00:09:29   be you know an important point later on [TS]

00:09:31   but i think that in some ways that your [TS]

00:09:33   attention to it right because you know [TS]

00:09:35   you whenever you read something where [TS]

00:09:38   there's a key piece of information [TS]

00:09:40   deliberately omitted you know you always [TS]

00:09:43   kind of have that in the back of your [TS]

00:09:44   head that they're okay there must be a [TS]

00:09:46   reason why this choice was made the [TS]

00:09:49   narrator is kind of the narrator's [TS]

00:09:51   childhood is very strange as well that [TS]

00:09:54   makes you think what something's not [TS]

00:09:55   right here raised here it's clear when [TS]

00:09:57   the narrator's introduced that something [TS]

00:09:59   is going on because he's introduced [TS]

00:10:01   crying and after some horrible event [TS]

00:10:05   that you're not told what it is and so [TS]

00:10:07   it sets up a question but it turns out [TS]

00:10:09   that's not quite the right question to [TS]

00:10:10   ask about the history of the narrator [TS]

00:10:12   it's it's a red herring right it says [TS]

00:10:14   you have one path and and you don't I [TS]

00:10:16   mean and which is good because it [TS]

00:10:18   distracts you and thinks you have a [TS]

00:10:19   maybe an idea of what the answer is [TS]

00:10:21   behind this this character story and [TS]

00:10:24   then realize later that it's you know [TS]

00:10:26   hundred eighty degrees from that or [TS]

00:10:27   whatever and a plot twist happened i [TS]

00:10:32   want to ask you guys this [TS]

00:10:33   I i was initially mad because I felt [TS]

00:10:36   like he wasn't playing fair and that it [TS]

00:10:38   was it was really a cheat and it I over [TS]

00:10:41   the next couple of chapters as it all [TS]

00:10:45   sort of got resolved I felt like it was [TS]

00:10:47   not as much of a cheat as I had [TS]

00:10:49   initially thought because I was like but [TS]

00:10:50   what about this but what about this but [TS]

00:10:51   what about this don't we know all these [TS]

00:10:53   things and it became clear later that it [TS]

00:10:55   was entirely achieved but i want to ask [TS]

00:10:57   you guys you know did you get that [TS]

00:10:58   feeling that it's like well okay i see [TS]

00:11:00   this is a twist but does is doesn't [TS]

00:11:02   really hold up with what we thought we [TS]

00:11:04   you earlier well I mean okay I it's been [TS]

00:11:08   awhile since i've read the book [TS]

00:11:09   unfortunate because i keep recommending [TS]

00:11:10   it to everyone else because i read it [TS]

00:11:11   like a year ago but i think i right as i [TS]

00:11:13   recall reading at that point I started [TS]

00:11:15   finished up the end of the look in a big [TS]

00:11:16   chunk I I very much remember pushing [TS]

00:11:18   like having to sort of put the book [TS]

00:11:21   aside for a second and just kind of [TS]

00:11:23   think about it and sort of you trace [TS]

00:11:25   everything that had happened in like [TS]

00:11:27   okay yeah what does this make sense and [TS]

00:11:30   I think I i came to that conclusion a [TS]

00:11:31   little clique quicker that like oh my [TS]

00:11:33   god this really you know like you [TS]

00:11:34   flipped back through the book and check [TS]

00:11:35   a couple of things whenever you're like [TS]

00:11:36   oh wait no this really does make a lot [TS]

00:11:39   of like not only answer a lot of [TS]

00:11:40   questions but also sort of fit in with [TS]

00:11:43   the whole tone and plot of the book it [TS]

00:11:47   so i guess i didn't feel as much of it i [TS]

00:11:49   didn't have that initial reaction that [TS]

00:11:50   it was a cheap I was but I was sort of [TS]

00:11:52   realized you said Jason I was very [TS]

00:11:53   affected by it and very sort of [TS]

00:11:56   impressed with the fact that there was [TS]

00:11:59   not what I had expected at all right [TS]

00:12:02   just got well I thought at first I [TS]

00:12:03   thought it was a cheat because i [TS]

00:12:04   actually and I think that he wanted you [TS]

00:12:06   to miss miss miss understand what the [TS]

00:12:09   twist was exactly and so I kinda because [TS]

00:12:12   I don't without ruining anything it's [TS]

00:12:14   hard to talk about it so i thought one [TS]

00:12:16   thing that happened and then a few [TS]

00:12:18   chapters later it is clear what actually [TS]

00:12:20   did happen and once i'm gonna i'm gonna [TS]

00:12:22   fire the spoiler horn here and and say [TS]

00:12:25   we're about to talk about the the plot [TS]

00:12:27   twists in detail and if you don't want [TS]

00:12:28   to hear we have it became a few minutes [TS]

00:12:31   in the podcast do we have an actual [TS]

00:12:32   spoiler horn com going forward we should [TS]

00:12:35   [Music] [TS]

00:12:39   alright so Scott what you're saying is [TS]

00:12:42   so what did u it turns out that that we [TS]

00:12:45   should just say it turns out what [TS]

00:12:46   happens is the narrator is actually the [TS]

00:12:49   imaginary friend of gonzo lubitsch and [TS]

00:12:53   didn't exist except that when gonzo gets [TS]

00:12:57   some unreality stuff sprayed on him by [TS]

00:13:00   accident he every time I described as I [TS]

00:13:04   like waiting for you to say no no you've [TS]

00:13:06   completely misunderstood it he he [TS]

00:13:07   because he essentially becomes manifest [TS]

00:13:09   and so all of this imaginary friend [TS]

00:13:11   including all of the sort of Gonzo's [TS]

00:13:13   impulses that he wants to suppress and [TS]

00:13:16   he could sort of pushes off on his [TS]

00:13:17   imaginary friend are essentially ripped [TS]

00:13:20   out of gonzo and he has made he's made [TS]

00:13:22   manifest so it's not really achieved [TS]

00:13:24   that the imaginary friend is talking [TS]

00:13:25   about his life in the past because he [TS]

00:13:27   has those memories it's just that [TS]

00:13:29   they're actually an aspect of Gonzo's [TS]

00:13:31   personality that has been torn away from [TS]

00:13:34   him into the second person [TS]

00:13:36   well and of course at the same time [TS]

00:13:37   gonzo is left as a very different person [TS]

00:13:40   because he doesn't he no longer has that [TS]

00:13:42   that you know person sitting on his [TS]

00:13:44   shoulder with that part of his [TS]

00:13:47   conscience basically saying you should [TS]

00:13:49   maybe you should do this no no I'm not [TS]

00:13:50   interested in that or the things that [TS]

00:13:52   he's pushed away when he's uncertain [TS]

00:13:54   about who he is or did he do the right [TS]

00:13:56   thing sometimes he'll compartmentalize [TS]

00:13:57   it i think we would say and put it in [TS]

00:13:59   this other person and now it's gone [TS]

00:14:01   which means he's a much more sure kind [TS]

00:14:03   of person even though he may not [TS]

00:14:04   actually be sure he just took his his [TS]

00:14:07   uncertainty and shoved it in this other [TS]

00:14:09   guy who was balancing his personality [TS]

00:14:12   and is now gone because he's now walking [TS]

00:14:14   around in in reality and it and that [TS]

00:14:16   said you know if you wanted to draw the [TS]

00:14:18   immediate parallel that I drew and I [TS]

00:14:20   hope this isn't as well if anybody is a [TS]

00:14:23   fight club [TS]

00:14:25   yes are spoiling that you which has a [TS]

00:14:28   very very very similar device in it and [TS]

00:14:32   i think that there's you know the eye [TS]

00:14:35   but I mean again I think what makes [TS]

00:14:37   sense about it here is that we've [TS]

00:14:38   already been led up into all this how [TS]

00:14:40   exposure to the the stuff the unreality [TS]

00:14:43   aspect is very unpredictable and has [TS]

00:14:46   these kind of effects you know we've [TS]

00:14:48   sort of been led up to that the entire [TS]

00:14:50   way through as we watched these [TS]

00:14:52   characters deal with this fall out [TS]

00:14:55   basically [TS]

00:14:56   and so for me that's why did I felt like [TS]

00:14:58   oh wow that really makes sense because [TS]

00:15:00   we've you know we've sort of experience [TS]

00:15:02   this through their their adventures and [TS]

00:15:04   journeys up to this point Scott so Scott [TS]

00:15:06   what did you think the twist really [TS]

00:15:07   meant before you found out that didn't [TS]

00:15:09   mean that [TS]

00:15:10   so that was what the trust was but what [TS]

00:15:11   i read it i thought uh I thought that [TS]

00:15:14   the stuff had erased the narrator and [TS]

00:15:17   yes me too and I was like well what this [TS]

00:15:19   does really make any sense because [TS]

00:15:21   that's what I mean through the whole [TS]

00:15:22   book that is not what this stuff does [TS]

00:15:23   and it doesn't do this so what's going [TS]

00:15:25   on and i was very confused and then it [TS]

00:15:28   then [TS]

00:15:29   gonzo shoots him and I'm like I don't [TS]

00:15:30   understand what's going on and then he [TS]

00:15:33   explains what went on my god that makes [TS]

00:15:35   a lot more sense [TS]

00:15:36   well I and it makes that scene once you [TS]

00:15:38   realize that the scene where the [TS]

00:15:39   narrator discovers that his wife doesn't [TS]

00:15:41   know him [TS]

00:15:42   it actually makes it i think even more [TS]

00:15:43   effective because now you realize that [TS]

00:15:45   it's even worse than that it's the gonzo [TS]

00:15:47   can't can't really fit he hit one aspect [TS]

00:15:52   of his personality which is him as this [TS]

00:15:54   kind of tough guy adventurer with this [TS]

00:15:57   other aspect which is him and as a guy [TS]

00:15:59   with a home life and in many ways his [TS]

00:16:01   relationship with his wife was [TS]

00:16:04   compartmentalize and has now been [TS]

00:16:06   stripped from him and is in this other [TS]

00:16:08   guy because the other guy loves Gonzo's [TS]

00:16:11   wife and gonzo doesn't know quite how to [TS]

00:16:13   relate to her anymore and it's very sad [TS]

00:16:15   because you know he i think Harkaway is [TS]

00:16:17   trying to say something about how we all [TS]

00:16:19   contain multitudes and what if you [TS]

00:16:21   actually like took pieces of yourself [TS]

00:16:23   and not to get all star trek but you [TS]

00:16:25   know split them into and then you've got [TS]

00:16:27   two different pieces of yourself and [TS]

00:16:28   they would it would work the same way [TS]

00:16:30   right and the only way gonzo can express [TS]

00:16:32   his feelings for his wife is to go [TS]

00:16:34   and you know take his other half away [TS]

00:16:37   and because he feels that the other half [TS]

00:16:40   is a handwritten or take his wife away [TS]

00:16:43   so it takes the other guy and shoes and [TS]

00:16:45   shoot some multiple times and pushes [TS]

00:16:47   them out of a moving truck [TS]

00:16:48   well I mean because they you get this [TS]

00:16:49   very much in India if you wanted to go [TS]

00:16:51   into sort of a psychological profile you [TS]

00:16:53   could say it's sort of separating his [TS]

00:16:54   like his aid from his you know [TS]

00:16:57   supereeego type thing where it's like [TS]

00:16:58   he's primal like the gonzo that you're [TS]

00:17:00   left with is a very sort of impulsive [TS]

00:17:02   violent like you know but but heroic [TS]

00:17:05   what gone so like to think of themselves [TS]

00:17:07   as right it's like the party gonzo gonzo [TS]

00:17:10   was comfortable writing but he's also a [TS]

00:17:12   very you know he's got that very he's [TS]

00:17:13   rough around the edges he doesn't [TS]

00:17:14   necessarily have that like sensitivity [TS]

00:17:16   Randy you know I think even you know i [TS]

00:17:19   love that hard way does a great job of [TS]

00:17:21   like talking about the the martial arts [TS]

00:17:24   styles that they both study and how you [TS]

00:17:28   know the the narrator has you know you [TS]

00:17:31   did never really fit in with the sort of [TS]

00:17:33   you know brutal strength-based martial [TS]

00:17:35   arts stuff that gonzo really favored [TS]

00:17:36   right and instead took this sort of the [TS]

00:17:38   softer approach of you know something [TS]

00:17:40   that's kind of sort of almost an aikido [TS]

00:17:42   like martial arts where it's all about [TS]

00:17:43   you know control and balance and you [TS]

00:17:47   know agility and all those things and I [TS]

00:17:48   liked how that was such an interesting [TS]

00:17:51   like diversion like it was a great I a [TS]

00:17:53   way of expressing who these two [TS]

00:17:55   characters were yeah that was one of the [TS]

00:17:59   moments where I really didn't I thought [TS]

00:18:01   it was a cheat was like wait how can he [TS]

00:18:02   not be gone so if the if they did all [TS]

00:18:06   that stuff with the with the master of [TS]

00:18:08   the martial arts and it turns out that's [TS]

00:18:09   the story is that there are parts of [TS]

00:18:11   God's life that didn't really work for [TS]

00:18:13   him and didn't fit with his self-image [TS]

00:18:15   so we stuck them on the side it was the [TS]

00:18:16   soft martial arts didn't really fit in [TS]

00:18:18   with his tough-guy image he didn't want [TS]

00:18:20   to talk about the fact that he was [TS]

00:18:22   involved with the very people who [TS]

00:18:24   invented the to go away bomb he didn't [TS]

00:18:26   want so he compartmentalize that [TS]

00:18:27   completely and just basically act as if [TS]

00:18:29   i was never with the scientists it's not [TS]

00:18:31   who I am I'm a tough guy adventurer i'll [TS]

00:18:34   stick that over here and so in the end [TS]

00:18:35   the narrator ends up being the guy in [TS]

00:18:37   the lab coat who was there when they [TS]

00:18:38   invented the bombs instead of gone so [TS]

00:18:40   yeah it very very interesting and I [TS]

00:18:44   should also point out for those who are [TS]

00:18:45   who have heated have not heeded the [TS]

00:18:47   spoiler horn [TS]

00:18:48   you know that the plot twist in the end [TS]

00:18:51   there's a lot that happens after the [TS]

00:18:54   plot twist sure that the most [TS]

00:18:56   interesting because I was like oh my god [TS]

00:18:57   there's this big plot interest a plot [TS]

00:18:59   twist and then I look like I still have [TS]

00:19:01   like a third of the book 3 what is going [TS]

00:19:03   to happen [TS]

00:19:03   yeah exactly should we fire the spoiler [TS]

00:19:06   horn the all clear [TS]

00:19:08   yes yes yes bring up so so in the end [TS]

00:19:14   dan I know your verdict on the gun away [TS]

00:19:16   world because you've recommended it to [TS]

00:19:18   lots of people [TS]

00:19:19   Scott did you like it I mean you said [TS]

00:19:21   you kind of liked in the end right i did [TS]

00:19:23   that was very good i mean i think if you [TS]

00:19:25   take it in the frame of mind that it's [TS]

00:19:26   his first novel and it's a fun read and [TS]

00:19:28   it's not what you're expecting and don't [TS]

00:19:30   read the first chapter don't read the [TS]

00:19:32   first chapter [TS]

00:19:32   it was well done i enjoyed I really i [TS]

00:19:36   highlighted a bunch of things that I [TS]

00:19:37   thought were very funny i highlighted [TS]

00:19:38   some stuff too because I thought that I [TS]

00:19:40   thought there was some really good stuff [TS]

00:19:41   in here and i'll just read one [TS]

00:19:44   well maybe three two one of them that i [TS]

00:19:46   thought was really good this is a great [TS]

00:19:47   thing about reading on the kindle is [TS]

00:19:48   that I can actually call it my [TS]

00:19:49   highlights on the web and read them [TS]

00:19:51   which is pretty cool [TS]

00:19:52   the rest of her communication has been [TS]

00:19:53   removed with a razor blades lift leaving [TS]

00:19:55   me holding a limp carcass of eviscerated [TS]

00:19:57   notepaper it's a little spooky it's a [TS]

00:19:59   zombie letter in the middle of the night [TS]

00:20:01   it will rise from the grave and eat the [TS]

00:20:03   other letters starting with the headings [TS]

00:20:04   then it will crawl out into the camp and [TS]

00:20:06   begin its rampage and some of the scraps [TS]

00:20:08   that leaves behind will also reanimate [TS]

00:20:10   the undead paper plate will spread until [TS]

00:20:12   nothing can stop at baja and bwahaha is [TS]

00:20:16   actually in the book it's not me saying [TS]

00:20:19   it and and very some almost like Douglas [TS]

00:20:21   Adams is sort of besides that about the [TS]

00:20:26   zombie letters and there's a others or [TS]

00:20:27   if he does about serial numbers which is [TS]

00:20:29   a tech writer i love that these long [TS]

00:20:32   serial numbers that you could never make [TS]

00:20:34   enough to fill all the serial numbers in [TS]

00:20:36   the history of all of the planet earth [TS]

00:20:38   yet they do it [TS]

00:20:39   just some really funny passages that [TS]

00:20:42   that not a lot of books are like that [TS]

00:20:43   where where you can just be reading a [TS]

00:20:45   paragraph and out of context you can [TS]

00:20:47   still go okay that was really funny and [TS]

00:20:48   they're even sentences that are just [TS]

00:20:50   really funny and I highlighted mostly [TS]

00:20:52   just sentences i also highlighted the [TS]

00:20:53   the zombie letter think Jason so how [TS]

00:20:55   nice if I had turned on social [TS]

00:20:58   highlighting [TS]

00:20:59   on the kindle anyway very funny and I [TS]

00:21:02   like to too so I I don't hold it against [TS]

00:21:05   Dan for recommending that i buy this [TS]

00:21:06   book vegas God well as I understand he's [TS]

00:21:09   actually working on a new book which I [TS]

00:21:10   I'm very much looking forward to what [TS]

00:21:12   you should be you have you sold you've [TS]

00:21:13   made dozens of dollars for him and [TS]

00:21:16   royalties for your buddy Nick Nick [TS]

00:21:17   Harkaway this is always affiliates key [TS]

00:21:20   missing it again you get something yeah [TS]

00:21:21   anyway just mind clicking through my [TS]

00:21:23   podcast site that's why the [TS]

00:21:25   uncomfortable affiliate links will make [TS]

00:21:27   us all rich [TS]

00:21:29   [Music] [TS]

00:21:32   let's move on and talk about another [TS]

00:21:38   book that we mentioned in passing and [TS]

00:21:40   this also will fulfill our Zeppelin [TS]

00:21:42   quotient for the podcast excellent yes [TS]

00:21:44   gone away world sadly Zeppelin free [TS]

00:21:47   check Zeppelin free again as then [TS]

00:21:49   pointed out in the last book podcast [TS]

00:21:51   there is a large kind of truck thing but [TS]

00:21:55   it's not a Zeppelin it is it is not even [TS]

00:21:56   close to his up but not as announced [TS]

00:21:58   that even remotely it was it turns out [TS]

00:22:00   that was quite a stretch to make that [TS]

00:22:01   claim dan Boneshaker by cherie priest is [TS]

00:22:06   a kind of steampunky zombie adventure [TS]

00:22:11   novel and it does feature Zeppelin ate a [TS]

00:22:15   stolen Confederate Zeppelin in an alt [TS]

00:22:19   history civil war that has gone on much [TS]

00:22:22   longer than the actual civil war did i [TS]

00:22:24   read this is part of the set of hugo [TS]

00:22:27   award nominees i should point out [TS]

00:22:28   actually that the city in the city and [TS]

00:22:30   the and the windup girl which we [TS]

00:22:31   mentioned on the last book podcast tied [TS]

00:22:33   for the hugo award for best novel [TS]

00:22:35   Jason's already happy then right [TS]

00:22:37   I am happy because those are my two [TS]

00:22:38   favorites and I ll do it turns out that [TS]

00:22:40   if I if I braked city in the city ahead [TS]

00:22:43   of the windup girl it would one by [TS]

00:22:45   itself so i feel kind of responsible [TS]

00:22:47   haha time you are a jerk [TS]

00:22:49   Jason sure but that's all yes I i wanted [TS]

00:22:52   the windup girl to get an award so it [TS]

00:22:53   i'm happy i'm very happy anyway [TS]

00:22:55   Boneshaker I think finished I'm gonna [TS]

00:22:57   say I think maybe finished third but it [TS]

00:23:00   was one of the runners-up I i ranked [TS]

00:23:04   below the the other two because I didn't [TS]

00:23:06   think I thought it was a fun romp I [TS]

00:23:07   didn't think it was quite a substantial [TS]

00:23:08   as these other two books work but as a [TS]

00:23:11   you're kind of a young adult it's got [TS]

00:23:13   it's got a its got a mom as the as the [TS]

00:23:16   protagonist and then a kid her son as [TS]

00:23:18   the other protagonist young man and they [TS]

00:23:21   have an adventure in the city of seattle [TS]

00:23:23   in the late eighteen hundreds but it's [TS]

00:23:25   the salt history world where there's [TS]

00:23:27   been a machine the Boneshaker has dug up [TS]

00:23:29   the ground in seattle and release this [TS]

00:23:31   gas that turns people into zombies [TS]

00:23:34   essentially and then the Sun gets lost [TS]

00:23:36   in the city and the mom goes to find him [TS]

00:23:38   and turns out there people living amid [TS]

00:23:39   the ruins and it and then there's the [TS]

00:23:44   stolen Zeppelin it was all it was a lot [TS]

00:23:46   of fun [TS]

00:23:47   Scott what do you think about the shaker [TS]

00:23:49   I thought it [TS]

00:23:51   you took the words right out of my mouth [TS]

00:23:52   it was a lot of fun it wasn't we got [TS]

00:23:55   away world made me think which is always [TS]

00:23:57   a good thing [TS]

00:23:58   a Boneshaker not too much thinking going [TS]

00:24:00   on but a lot of enjoyment [TS]

00:24:02   yeah it was it was a romp I mean there's [TS]

00:24:05   there to say it didn't make me feel [TS]

00:24:06   stupid already i don't feel nervous i [TS]

00:24:09   did think well reading it but yeah but [TS]

00:24:13   it was it was not it was a fun read i [TS]

00:24:15   was sitting on a beach reading gone away [TS]

00:24:16   world thinking this might not [TS]

00:24:17   automatically be the best choice for [TS]

00:24:19   sitting on the beach [TS]

00:24:20   boneshaker felt a little more beachy in [TS]

00:24:22   that sense of like it's fun and there's [TS]

00:24:24   chases and you're running away from the [TS]

00:24:26   zombie horde and people with weapons and [TS]

00:24:28   and you know Ariel uh fight scenes in [TS]

00:24:33   gone to love the Zeppelin kind of get a [TS]

00:24:38   lot of fun a lot of fun stuff and a [TS]

00:24:39   mysterious two mysterious evil geniuses [TS]

00:24:42   that one turns out to be not so genius [TS]

00:24:44   see but at least they're two of them [TS]

00:24:46   yes that's right that's right out that [TS]

00:24:48   was a I'm I've seen that I've seen that [TS]

00:24:51   story trick before but I I liked it a [TS]

00:24:54   lot which is you have a character who [TS]

00:24:57   may or may not be this figure from the [TS]

00:25:00   past and one of the characters says [TS]

00:25:02   early on [TS]

00:25:04   oh no he's not that guy and you spend [TS]

00:25:07   not going to fire the spoiler horn yet [TS]

00:25:08   but and it's a great moment because if [TS]

00:25:12   you catch it you you save yourself haha [TS]

00:25:14   this person knows something that nobody [TS]

00:25:16   else knows about that [TS]

00:25:18   what happened to that guy and that isn't [TS]

00:25:20   indeed at the end you find out what [TS]

00:25:22   really happened to the to the this other [TS]

00:25:24   person and [TS]

00:25:25   it's a really nice a really nice moment [TS]

00:25:27   that I like a lot but uh I love that [TS]

00:25:29   moment where it's like if you're paying [TS]

00:25:30   close enough attention you'll realize [TS]

00:25:32   one character knows more than anybody [TS]

00:25:34   else knows about what happened and she [TS]

00:25:36   isn't sharing I appreciate that they [TS]

00:25:38   kept it drawn out for that long [TS]

00:25:41   where I was I was kind of expecting that [TS]

00:25:42   that was going to like we would find out [TS]

00:25:45   why this certain character was dead or [TS]

00:25:47   alive i was expecting we'd find it out [TS]

00:25:49   like maybe midway through the book but I [TS]

00:25:51   appreciate they held on until about the [TS]

00:25:53   last 10 pages before we actually get the [TS]

00:25:56   big reveal and be like oh that's why and [TS]

00:25:59   it makes so much sense after that you're [TS]

00:26:01   like oh of course of course this person [TS]

00:26:04   would know that and potentially yes I'm [TS]

00:26:06   i might well if it's not there you know [TS]

00:26:09   the the format of the book is these [TS]

00:26:11   alternating chapters and there are [TS]

00:26:12   several moments actually where you feel [TS]

00:26:14   like you're going to bring the two [TS]

00:26:14   characters together the mom and her son [TS]

00:26:16   and and I think she does a really great [TS]

00:26:19   job of frustrating the reader and you [TS]

00:26:21   know i love it when I get frustrated as [TS]

00:26:24   a reader because that's part of the fun [TS]

00:26:25   of reading a book is like oh they were [TS]

00:26:26   so close and and then they're split [TS]

00:26:28   apart again and they didn't find each [TS]

00:26:30   other so it's it's a you know it's a fun [TS]

00:26:34   it's a fun kind of rock with a lot of [TS]

00:26:35   these the fact that it sent him a [TS]

00:26:37   historical period is is a lot of fun [TS]

00:26:39   because you don't have high-tech [TS]

00:26:41   solutions to problems you you know the [TS]

00:26:43   most high-tech solution that you've got [TS]

00:26:44   is a gas mask in a Zeppelin which is [TS]

00:26:46   pretty high-tech really well i mean it [TS]

00:26:49   stack i suppose i'm not sure it's a [TS]

00:26:51   high-tech supplements a low-tech [TS]

00:26:52   Zeppelin 100 federates up when how good [TS]

00:26:55   could a stolen Confederate Zeppelin [TS]

00:26:56   really be well that's aplin was the [TS]

00:26:58   Cadillac of Zeppelin's of that time I [TS]

00:27:00   gotta say when i first started reading [TS]

00:27:02   the book the book tricked me a little [TS]

00:27:03   bit because I first started reading like [TS]

00:27:05   the prologue is great the prologue could [TS]

00:27:07   be a book within itself because so much [TS]

00:27:09   happens we like all right so it's you [TS]

00:27:11   know Civil War period and you know all [TS]

00:27:14   there is Evelyn's and there's and and [TS]

00:27:16   yellow zombie gasps yeah but you don't [TS]

00:27:19   even get to the gas yet alright the [TS]

00:27:20   Boneshaker a giant drill that you can [TS]

00:27:23   imagine being this Giants team operated [TS]

00:27:25   thing with a giant drill bit on the [TS]

00:27:27   front that goes into the earth and i [TS]

00:27:30   just love this set up or they're like oh [TS]

00:27:31   yes the Russians have found gold in [TS]

00:27:33   Alaska so they don't want to sell it to [TS]

00:27:35   the US quite yet but they can't get at [TS]

00:27:37   the gold so what [TS]

00:27:38   they gonna do they're going to hire us [TS]

00:27:40   going to enter yet to actually make [TS]

00:27:43   something to get that gold so then maybe [TS]

00:27:45   they won't have to sell it to the US [TS]

00:27:46   after all and then see you get like all [TS]

00:27:48   of this interesting history stuff like [TS]

00:27:50   oh cool very and then you're like oh no [TS]

00:27:53   that's actually just the first five [TS]

00:27:55   pages and then after that it's all about [TS]

00:27:57   the aftermath of this horrible machine [TS]

00:27:59   that was theoretically done for good and [TS]

00:28:02   then turned into evil and basically [TS]

00:28:05   destroyed half of a city and yeah [TS]

00:28:07   release the zombie gasps it's just it's [TS]

00:28:09   interesting how much backstory they [TS]

00:28:11   meant a cherry priest manages to pack [TS]

00:28:13   into that 10 pages [TS]

00:28:15   apparently there's another book in this [TS]

00:28:16   in this universe that's about about the [TS]

00:28:19   Zeppelin believe it or not so I'm going [TS]

00:28:21   to the Confederate about the Confederate [TS]

00:28:23   Zeppelin yeah that is a primary feature [TS]

00:28:26   and so it's sort of like flies through [TS]

00:28:27   this story but is then it part of its [TS]

00:28:29   own story and I wonder how much of that [TS]

00:28:31   is just okay this is the world that i [TS]

00:28:32   built here and here it is in the first [TS]

00:28:33   pic first chapter now let's get to the [TS]

00:28:36   the real point but you're right it was [TS]

00:28:37   really rich and that the first full [TS]

00:28:39   chapter is interesting because it's [TS]

00:28:41   actually a little bit more down and then [TS]

00:28:44   the book as a whole it's like she really [TS]

00:28:45   wanted to take you down this depressing [TS]

00:28:47   it's like she's working in this Factory [TS]

00:28:50   and it and her son doesn't appreciate [TS]

00:28:52   her and he runs away and it's and they [TS]

00:28:54   have to wear these layers of clothing to [TS]

00:28:56   avoid the the the stuff that's dripping [TS]

00:28:58   out of the sky from this yellow goo and [TS]

00:29:01   it's just as miserable terrible world [TS]

00:29:04   that they live in on the walls outside [TS]

00:29:06   of Seattle and it you know it's almost [TS]

00:29:10   as if you expect the next thing to be [TS]

00:29:11   like in so many fantasy stories like but [TS]

00:29:14   then at then they opened the door to a [TS]

00:29:16   magical place where things were better [TS]

00:29:17   and a magical place where things are [TS]

00:29:19   better is where all the zombies are [TS]

00:29:21   tremendous and yet hit you like things [TS]

00:29:25   opened up when we got into seattle and [TS]

00:29:26   there were zombies everywhere i keep on [TS]

00:29:28   drawing a conclude drawing like [TS]

00:29:31   parallels between of all things an [TS]

00:29:33   American tail which is like a really [TS]

00:29:35   bizarre things but it's still it's like [TS]

00:29:38   you have the same kind of thematic ideas [TS]

00:29:40   where oh you have to go to a new place [TS]

00:29:42   in this new place is also scary and [TS]

00:29:45   crazy and and there are a lot of points [TS]

00:29:48   in that film where people keep missing [TS]

00:29:51   each other and [TS]

00:29:51   specifically family members so it's very [TS]

00:29:54   weird was Harrison survival in bone [TS]

00:29:56   shaker is that the boy is that the mom [TS]

00:29:58   is that it's the boy is a mad scientist [TS]

00:30:01   the boy is fievel alright is there I [TS]

00:30:03   haven't seen american tail in a million [TS]

00:30:05   years is there is there a mad scientist [TS]

00:30:07   who kills people in an American tail [TS]

00:30:09   light [TS]

00:30:09   oh that's the rashes am sorry i didn't [TS]

00:30:12   know there's a there's a mad scientist [TS]

00:30:14   in the rest of them i'm trying to [TS]

00:30:15   remember if it's in well actually [TS]

00:30:17   they're they're crazy contraptions in [TS]

00:30:19   both american tail and 50 goes well as [TS]

00:30:21   far as i remember Fievel goes west are [TS]

00:30:23   other Zeppelin's there in weight now but [TS]

00:30:26   i don't think the reasons they're there [TS]

00:30:28   they're flying pigeons something I don't [TS]

00:30:32   pitchers usually flogged [TS]

00:30:34   yes exactly so the other bitches are not [TS]

00:30:37   always Paris as far as flying things get [TS]

00:30:40   here in California the pigeons fly on a [TS]

00:30:41   Zeppelin Scott by any other thoughts [TS]

00:30:46   about Boneshaker i mean i would [TS]

00:30:48   recommend it I i think it's a good I [TS]

00:30:50   also think it's good for a younger not [TS]

00:30:52   you know not I'm not a kid audience but [TS]

00:30:54   like a young adult audience i think [TS]

00:30:55   that's sort of one of the one of the [TS]

00:30:56   targets of that book because it's not [TS]

00:30:58   particularly you know nasty and for a [TS]

00:31:01   zombie right look I think it's just a a [TS]

00:31:04   really fun really fun reading it's gonna [TS]

00:31:06   got a teenage character whose likable [TS]

00:31:08   but it's also got the mom and it was a [TS]

00:31:11   lot of fun i don't know if the boy was [TS]

00:31:13   that likable but uh huh well he gets in [TS]

00:31:16   over his head his jerk [TS]

00:31:18   well I don't know I thought well I he I [TS]

00:31:20   thought he had a reason to do what he [TS]

00:31:22   did and then he realized kind of quickly [TS]

00:31:24   that he had totally blown it was trying [TS]

00:31:26   to how smart do you have to be to think [TS]

00:31:30   oh I really should not go into this [TS]

00:31:32   zombie-infested city and look for [TS]

00:31:35   someone who may or may not be there but [TS]

00:31:38   it doesn't take my email can to take a [TS]

00:31:40   maybe this isn't a good idea and I [TS]

00:31:42   should just go back to school when [TS]

00:31:44   you've got it you've got to give him [TS]

00:31:45   credit though he he goes in by tunnel as [TS]

00:31:49   opposed to his mom who has to hitch a [TS]

00:31:50   ride on the Zeppelin that's true but [TS]

00:31:51   surely has to ensure i was up late [TS]

00:31:53   because the tunnel collapsed [TS]

00:31:54   it's true it's trending wouldn't have [TS]

00:31:56   collapsed if he hadn't got into it [TS]

00:31:58   yes there I like some of the constant [TS]

00:32:01   article he dished one of the images in [TS]

00:32:04   that book that I really [TS]

00:32:05   I guess the there's a whole family of [TS]

00:32:07   chinese people who run this strange [TS]

00:32:09   pumping it's the Chinese like railroad [TS]

00:32:12   laborers and they've stayed in seattle [TS]

00:32:14   and they run the strange air pumping [TS]

00:32:16   station where they blow in fresh air [TS]

00:32:18   they've got big tubes that stick up into [TS]

00:32:20   the sky pulling the fresh air and then [TS]

00:32:22   they pump it into the down below and [TS]

00:32:25   it's such a bizarre industrial just such [TS]

00:32:27   a strange image and I thought that was [TS]

00:32:29   really funny [TS]

00:32:30   well it's hard to imagine to just hard [TS]

00:32:34   to picture in your head especially [TS]

00:32:35   because at one point the mother actually [TS]

00:32:38   goes down one of those two houses and [TS]

00:32:40   trying to get a mental picture while [TS]

00:32:42   you're reading this you're like she's [TS]

00:32:44   talking about gripping onto the ridges [TS]

00:32:46   and things like that you don't exactly [TS]

00:32:47   know how this thing is staying upright [TS]

00:32:50   you know hundreds of feet into the air [TS]

00:32:52   but it sounds pretty cool [TS]

00:32:54   yeah yeah alright I'm going to welcome [TS]

00:32:57   Dan back from his isolation chamber I [TS]

00:32:59   was great in there I really I had a nice [TS]

00:33:01   time to relax catch up on some things [TS]

00:33:03   you know take a little nap and now you [TS]

00:33:05   can read Boneshaker which you have right [TS]

00:33:07   you have it's on my bedside table and it [TS]

00:33:09   will be joining me on my uh my travels [TS]

00:33:11   this week [TS]

00:33:12   nice very nice is you know what and [TS]

00:33:14   despite the the advent of e-books in the [TS]

00:33:17   convenience of reading stuff on your [TS]

00:33:18   ipad i still it's you know that takeoff [TS]

00:33:21   and landing part you know when I don't [TS]

00:33:23   put all your stuff away [TS]

00:33:24   still still gotta have an actual paper [TS]

00:33:26   book there I hear you I i endorse this [TS]

00:33:29   plan i hate that moment and they want [TS]

00:33:31   you to turn off your kindle those but [TS]

00:33:33   they're bastards but thats I say art I [TS]

00:33:35   take that opportunity to enjoy the [TS]

00:33:37   in-flight magazine that's right that's [TS]

00:33:39   what magazines for yes SkyMall man let [TS]

00:33:42   me tell you I've gotten at least six [TS]

00:33:46   different hotdog cookers just because [TS]

00:33:48   i'm i'm addicted it's a pride I just eat [TS]

00:33:52   the hot dogs raw it solves that problem [TS]

00:33:54   I'm feeling rather sick now you're brave [TS]

00:33:57   man but [TS]

00:34:02   let's talk about William Gibson now now [TS]

00:34:07   i'm speaking so here's haha sooo hot [TS]

00:34:10   dogs people even give him loves a hot [TS]

00:34:12   dog that's true that's a little-known [TS]

00:34:14   fact about William get said he has a new [TS]

00:34:15   book out called zero history which i [TS]

00:34:18   actually bought it i think it's the [TS]

00:34:19   first book that I bottom a day of [TS]

00:34:21   release in maybe ever and it's mostly [TS]

00:34:24   because I could pre-order it and have it [TS]

00:34:26   delivered to my to my kindle for [TS]

00:34:28   thirteen dollars or something like that [TS]

00:34:30   but I've only read the first couple of [TS]

00:34:31   chapters of it it's the third Gibson [TS]

00:34:34   seems to be a trilogy kind of guy he is [TS]

00:34:37   the third in his third set of trilogies [TS]

00:34:41   so I don't know what he does now that [TS]

00:34:43   he's got three trilogies does he stop [TS]

00:34:45   it's an ology know but they're not [TS]

00:34:47   they're not connected here or are they [TS]

00:34:49   oh that is instead book will connect [TS]

00:34:52   them all ah the master the master stroke [TS]

00:34:54   so he he [TS]

00:34:56   this is the seat sequence that began [TS]

00:34:58   with the book pattern recognition and [TS]

00:35:02   continued in a book whose name now [TS]

00:35:04   totally this is it spook country spook [TS]

00:35:06   country that's right and I will conclude [TS]

00:35:08   with zero history and so I because i [TS]

00:35:12   haven't read pattern recognition or I'm [TS]

00:35:14   gonna have red red zero history yet some [TS]

00:35:16   of the same characters a spook country [TS]

00:35:17   and as pattern recognition they're set [TS]

00:35:20   in the present day to contrast with [TS]

00:35:22   neuromancer count 0 and Mona Lisa [TS]

00:35:24   overdrive which was his first trilogy [TS]

00:35:26   which was set in a future and cyberspace [TS]

00:35:28   and and no cell phones which is very [TS]

00:35:30   funny to read those now and they're all [TS]

00:35:33   these pay phones everywhere it's like no [TS]

00:35:35   I loved pattern recognition though i [TS]

00:35:38   don't know if any of you guys have read [TS]

00:35:40   that one [TS]

00:35:41   I read it I liked it but I did not I did [TS]

00:35:44   not I was not quite as enthusiastic [TS]

00:35:45   about it as many others were that's what [TS]

00:35:49   that's the one where the main character [TS]

00:35:51   is allergic to the Michelin Man [TS]

00:35:53   yes and other brand and other marketing [TS]

00:35:55   yeah I I was the one who suggested we [TS]

00:35:58   should talk about william gibson and at [TS]

00:35:59   this point I should admit that I in fact [TS]

00:36:02   don't like William Gibson [TS]

00:36:04   it's a trap this is this is not a mutual [TS]

00:36:08   admiration society here or even a way [TS]

00:36:11   that gives an admiration society and so [TS]

00:36:13   I really liked I don't have any of you [TS]

00:36:15   read The Difference Engine sterling yes [TS]

00:36:18   i have a really good feeling i really [TS]

00:36:20   like that [TS]

00:36:20   oh wow that's my least favorite thing [TS]

00:36:22   he's done by about a mile and see there [TS]

00:36:24   you go and then so I read neuromancer [TS]

00:36:26   because you know you have to read [TS]

00:36:27   neuromancer because it is I actually [TS]

00:36:29   read that fairly late i only read it uh [TS]

00:36:31   I don't know five or six years ago i [TS]

00:36:33   guess and i really liked it even though [TS]

00:36:35   it does have this weird I I kind of [TS]

00:36:37   enjoy those books that are clearly [TS]

00:36:38   products of a past arrow-like [TS]

00:36:42   interpolating into the future and they [TS]

00:36:43   just totally like missed something you [TS]

00:36:46   know like like mobile phones as Jason [TS]

00:36:48   saying I find it fascinating because it [TS]

00:36:51   provides such an insight to the period [TS]

00:36:53   in which it was written and I thought [TS]

00:36:55   neuromancer was a fantastic book i [TS]

00:36:57   really enjoyed it i thought the next you [TS]

00:36:58   were not as good in my opinion you know [TS]

00:37:01   kind of lost a little bit of the [TS]

00:37:02   whatever magic that he'd gotten into [TS]

00:37:04   neuromancer but yet he's he has a very [TS]

00:37:08   interesting view on on the future and on [TS]

00:37:12   you know science fiction technological [TS]

00:37:14   developments and all that on his books I [TS]

00:37:16   mean he said that his books are [TS]

00:37:18   obviously commentaries about about the [TS]

00:37:20   time in which they're written so [TS]

00:37:21   neuromancer is in a sudden the 2020s or [TS]

00:37:24   whatever but it's really about the [TS]

00:37:25   eighties and it's about technology [TS]

00:37:28   interfacing with with people in a way [TS]

00:37:30   that that did happen in just not in kind [TS]

00:37:33   of the detail but a lot of that did come [TS]

00:37:35   true and then bits of it didn't move but [TS]

00:37:37   that scene still I mean that you [TS]

00:37:39   mentioned the payphones of course that [TS]

00:37:40   reminds me of it's such a great scene [TS]

00:37:42   that's my favorite scene in neuromancer [TS]

00:37:45   where we're case the main characters [TS]

00:37:46   walking through an air i think it's like [TS]

00:37:48   the airport even somewhere in [TS]

00:37:50   Switzerland it's like the I don't know [TS]

00:37:53   it's an airport in your right and the [TS]

00:37:55   ymca phones right and and and the AI is [TS]

00:37:58   trying to reach him and each time he [TS]

00:38:00   takes a step past one of these payphones [TS]

00:38:02   the pay phone rings and as he's walking [TS]

00:38:05   the pay phone next to him continues to [TS]

00:38:07   ring and they just goes down the line [TS]

00:38:09   and caught the Rings follow him because [TS]

00:38:11   it knows exactly where he is [TS]

00:38:13   which is funny because like because we [TS]

00:38:14   talked about Sherlock why I'm one of our [TS]

00:38:16   move our TV podcast and a few they use [TS]

00:38:19   that same device in the very first [TS]

00:38:21   episode of which i thought was a good [TS]

00:38:23   yeah well I assumed was a maybe an [TS]

00:38:24   immodest neuromancer but yeah and I have [TS]

00:38:27   a UH in the first of my to unpublished [TS]

00:38:30   novels that i wrote I wrote a scene [TS]

00:38:32   where that is an homage to that seem too [TS]

00:38:35   because i love that I love that scene so [TS]

00:38:37   much it's interesting Scott do you not [TS]

00:38:40   like his writing style do not like the [TS]

00:38:43   subject matter I'm curious i I just [TS]

00:38:46   don't I think the best part of [TS]

00:38:47   neuromancer was the first sentence and [TS]

00:38:49   then after that he lost me which is [TS]

00:38:51   never a good thing it's a great opening [TS]

00:38:54   line now it is it is event is one of my [TS]

00:38:56   favorite opening lines so I'm saying [TS]

00:38:58   that I'm very distressed because I i [TS]

00:38:59   thought the the Scottish sci-fi writer [TS]

00:39:02   Charlie Strong's basically sort of [TS]

00:39:05   homage did in the opening line to one of [TS]

00:39:07   his books but yeah it was unfortunate [TS]

00:39:08   because I didn't like that apparently as [TS]

00:39:10   much I didn't like the book but it but [TS]

00:39:12   he made a very funny point which is [TS]

00:39:13   again in 1984 whenever Gibson Road [TS]

00:39:17   neuromancer a TV that the opening line [TS]

00:39:20   is the sky over the port was the color [TS]

00:39:22   of television tuned to a dead Channel [TS]

00:39:24   the idea being it was this gray speckly [TS]

00:39:26   sky because when you turn to a dead [TS]

00:39:29   Channel you get stabbed except today if [TS]

00:39:31   you turn to a dead Channel you tend to [TS]

00:39:32   get just like a Blue Square and so [TS]

00:39:35   strong his joke was that it was a bright [TS]

00:39:37   sunny day and and the sky was as blue as [TS]

00:39:41   a dead television turned to a dead [TS]

00:39:43   Channel [TS]

00:39:44   this is like the meaning is completely [TS]

00:39:46   changed since neuromancer was written [TS]

00:39:47   that wasn't as good but sadly that book [TS]

00:39:50   also went downhill after the first [TS]

00:39:52   sentence [TS]

00:39:52   yeah so yeah I so so when i'd say about [TS]

00:39:55   pattern recognition i think a lot of [TS]

00:39:56   people the perception of Gibson was that [TS]

00:39:58   after neuromancer it was all downhill [TS]

00:40:00   and he was kind of after that ever [TS]

00:40:02   opening sentence neuromancer it is a [TS]

00:40:04   falls down this podcast is ok now but i [TS]

00:40:09   actually I thought I thought lonely [TS]

00:40:11   soldier overdrive was pretty good [TS]

00:40:12   although maybe not as good as new [TS]

00:40:14   romancer I thought he made a comeback in [TS]

00:40:15   that and then I feel like he got lost I [TS]

00:40:17   think that his middle his second trilogy [TS]

00:40:19   of books which were that all tomorrow's [TS]

00:40:21   parties and i forget what the other [TS]

00:40:24   names were it's sort of setting this [TS]

00:40:25   kind of run-down bay area and people are [TS]

00:40:28   living on the bay bridge [TS]

00:40:29   engine I really didn't like those I [TS]

00:40:32   don't didn't think they were very good [TS]

00:40:33   but when he he did pattern recognition [TS]

00:40:35   he he wrote his first book that was kind [TS]

00:40:38   of tangibly set in the present day or [TS]

00:40:40   close to the present day and that book [TS]

00:40:43   you know I damn you don't like it like I [TS]

00:40:46   like it I I think that's his best book I [TS]

00:40:49   think it's better than neuromancer and [TS]

00:40:51   part of that is because it's it does [TS]

00:40:53   speak to today and corporations with [TS]

00:40:55   marketing messages and how people try to [TS]

00:40:57   affect other people and how the internet [TS]

00:40:58   gets gets used for marketing and he gets [TS]

00:41:02   used in the script kind of strange kind [TS]

00:41:04   of a social ways that aren't really [TS]

00:41:07   anticipated until they until they emerge [TS]

00:41:09   and I'm just so mad much about it that [TS]

00:41:12   really hit home for me plus it was a fun [TS]

00:41:14   kind of adventure which is sort of his [TS]

00:41:16   trademark rights and he's writing these [TS]

00:41:18   kind of 40 movie Pulp adventures with [TS]

00:41:21   this technology sheen on top of them [TS]

00:41:24   yeah I mean I guess what what fell a [TS]

00:41:26   little flat to me was there's this one [TS]

00:41:29   central sort of conceit in pattern [TS]

00:41:31   recognition that has to do with the [TS]

00:41:33   footage as they call it right arm which [TS]

00:41:36   is interesting but at the same time I [TS]

00:41:38   guess I had trouble really grasping what [TS]

00:41:41   about like the way he tries to describe [TS]

00:41:44   the emotional response that's pulled up [TS]

00:41:46   by people watching this in and is sort [TS]

00:41:49   of the what turns it into a phenomenon i [TS]

00:41:53   fell sort of flat with me and maybe [TS]

00:41:55   that's because i read it again a few [TS]

00:41:56   years after it had come out and at that [TS]

00:41:59   point i think it was it was interesting [TS]

00:42:02   because I think he did sort of manage to [TS]

00:42:05   write about something that had that is [TS]

00:42:07   now almost commonplace this idea of sort [TS]

00:42:09   of viral media and yet it it seemed it [TS]

00:42:15   seem not as far-fetched i think and i [TS]

00:42:17   had a hard time it's he sort of coming [TS]

00:42:20   to terms with how people reacted to the [TS]

00:42:22   extent that they did in the book I found [TS]

00:42:25   that a little hard to empathize with but [TS]

00:42:27   there are a number of things I quite [TS]

00:42:29   liked about the book i thought the main [TS]

00:42:30   character is very interesting i like the [TS]

00:42:33   sort of the manipulations that go on [TS]

00:42:34   behind the scenes and certainly the the [TS]

00:42:37   intriguing and all that that's connected [TS]

00:42:39   with the plot [TS]

00:42:40   [Music] [TS]

00:42:50   for me if you ask me what writers just [TS]

00:42:55   as stylist prose stylist what writers do [TS]

00:43:00   you appreciate the most if you're if [TS]

00:43:02   you're a writer it maybe who do you wish [TS]

00:43:04   you could write like and if you ask me [TS]

00:43:06   that question the two answers would [TS]

00:43:08   probably give you right off the bat [TS]

00:43:09   would be Nick Hornby and william gibson [TS]

00:43:14   think i would think I would sub michael [TS]

00:43:16   chabon 44 million but he would be number [TS]

00:43:19   three on my list and he could fight it [TS]

00:43:21   out with get William Gibson if that [TS]

00:43:22   would be fun to see that now the great [TS]

00:43:24   case you read your Center one leaves and [TS]

00:43:27   then the other leave shortly that so so [TS]

00:43:30   really damn that would be you that would [TS]

00:43:31   be your your pair would be Michael [TS]

00:43:33   Chabon and and nick hornby hornby would [TS]

00:43:36   be pretty close to the top [TS]

00:43:37   yeah I don't know there's something [TS]

00:43:39   about him and I know he's he doesn't [TS]

00:43:40   necessarily fall into the vein of that [TS]

00:43:42   kind of stuff we talked about but he's [TS]

00:43:43   actually he makes me laugh out loud you [TS]

00:43:46   can are you could argue that slam yeah [TS]

00:43:48   there you go get your name is a [TS]

00:43:50   fantastic book and it and it and it's [TS]

00:43:53   john we in the sense that it involves [TS]

00:43:55   it's potentially science fiction/fantasy [TS]

00:43:59   maybe a little bit but the Tony Hawk [TS]

00:44:02   appears in many places mystically as a [TS]

00:44:05   magical certain spirit guide well and [TS]

00:44:07   there's also sort of a parallel universe [TS]

00:44:08   right time travel possible rightly sort [TS]

00:44:12   of sees things that happen and then that [TS]

00:44:13   and then he backs up that's also just [TS]

00:44:15   it's just a fantastic book and anybody [TS]

00:44:17   that is that it should read it because [TS]

00:44:18   it is laugh-out-loud funny talk about [TS]

00:44:21   authors whoo-hoo-hoo maybe got off track [TS]

00:44:23   and got back on track actually think [TS]

00:44:24   that horny corn these last two slam and [TS]

00:44:28   what's the one that Juliet naked i think [TS]

00:44:30   are actually both really great returns [TS]

00:44:31   and i would add a long way down to that [TS]

00:44:33   which I one way down is good it's [TS]

00:44:35   fantastic [TS]

00:44:36   so basically how to be good was bad how [TS]

00:44:37   do we get i just read that it's not a [TS]

00:44:39   suspect that is clearly far away his [TS]

00:44:42   weakest book are so what about you guys [TS]

00:44:46   ran and ran and Scott writers that you [TS]

00:44:49   really admire from just as their ability [TS]

00:44:51   to write and to think about that one [TS]

00:44:53   friend Scott you go oh well Don DeLillo [TS]

00:44:56   anyone he's not a science fiction writer [TS]

00:44:58   and well I guess maybe it kinda is [TS]

00:45:00   psycho [TS]

00:45:02   no but he's really he's he is a someone [TS]

00:45:05   i wish i could write like I don't think [TS]

00:45:07   I ever would be able to douglas adams [TS]

00:45:09   one of my favorite writers i'm not sure [TS]

00:45:11   if i if I'm as big a fan of his his [TS]

00:45:14   skill you know stylistically but the [TS]

00:45:16   number of ideas and his sense of humor [TS]

00:45:19   just unbelievable how much stuff you [TS]

00:45:21   could pack into such a small amount of [TS]

00:45:23   space and then he you know he do that [TS]

00:45:25   over the course of hundreds of pages [TS]

00:45:26   over and over again which is yeah i may [TS]

00:45:29   say I the mind boggles at what that man [TS]

00:45:32   could think of and then I mean I there [TS]

00:45:34   are so many other people that are just [TS]

00:45:35   jammed in my mind i don't know i think [TS]

00:45:37   that you know jasper fforde not to go [TS]

00:45:39   back to him but I i am here is very good [TS]

00:45:41   he is very good he's one of my favorite [TS]

00:45:43   i really like self funny but you exactly [TS]

00:45:45   is very funny i wish i could look Ren [TS]

00:45:46   Ren has heard of Jasper well see their [TS]

00:45:48   yes this because we are we allowed to [TS]

00:45:50   realize it into core dead people because [TS]

00:45:52   in that case i can add Raymond Chandler [TS]

00:45:54   to my list to is yes it is possibly one [TS]

00:45:55   of the best pro stylist of the 20th [TS]

00:45:57   century dead people count you could say [TS]

00:45:59   Shakespeare if you'd like to I i well [TS]

00:46:01   today I think that would be I mean he's [TS]

00:46:03   a he is you know a writer without peril [TS]

00:46:05   at the same time use of your nose at [TS]

00:46:08   least tried i don't think he would say i [TS]

00:46:10   wish i could write like Shakespeare you [TS]

00:46:12   know after that opening sentence in not [TS]

00:46:15   right Goes Down Goes that first rhyming [TS]

00:46:18   couplet is so lame I mean come up [TS]

00:46:21   shall I compare thee to a summers day [TS]

00:46:23   all right after that please dont la and [TS]

00:46:26   then have it have we stalled enough for [TS]

00:46:29   you to get yes yes you stole that I [TS]

00:46:31   think well most recently i think one of [TS]

00:46:34   the sort of up-and-coming offers to [TS]

00:46:36   watch is definitely max brooks at least [TS]

00:46:39   for me like world war z was the first [TS]

00:46:42   book I read of his and then I went back [TS]

00:46:44   and redheads like zombie thing i'm not a [TS]

00:46:46   big zombie person in general but World [TS]

00:46:49   War Z has such as spunk to it and [TS]

00:46:51   suchlike really well-crafted individual [TS]

00:46:55   stories and they keep you very [TS]

00:46:56   invigorated and like both both on like [TS]

00:46:59   just reading the book but also listening [TS]

00:47:01   to the audiobook and I find it's it's [TS]

00:47:04   rare that you can have a book that [TS]

00:47:07   translate so well as in on the written [TS]

00:47:10   page and then also as an audiobook / [TS]

00:47:13   radio play [TS]

00:47:14   so it's really exciting [TS]

00:47:16   and i'm curious to see what he's writing [TS]

00:47:18   next is just kinda he's on my radar so [TS]

00:47:20   to speak who that's one of the few books [TS]

00:47:22   that I stopped reading and never [TS]

00:47:25   finished which World War anything like [TS]

00:47:27   it [TS]

00:47:27   haha because i did--like i did--like i [TS]

00:47:30   threw the costume I liked it [TS]

00:47:32   wow I didn't actually really did it [TS]

00:47:34   didn't burn its ok i guess not [TS]

00:47:37   I don't have ended like despise it just [TS]

00:47:39   I lost interest in yeah that was it [TS]

00:47:42   alright so now what should we do what [TS]

00:47:45   should we read next one of the things i [TS]

00:47:46   want to do ideally is actually even post [TS]

00:47:49   something on our website which is the [TS]

00:47:51   incomparable dot-com about what the book [TS]

00:47:52   club is reading less next so we can [TS]

00:47:54   maybe not fire off the spoiler horn for [TS]

00:47:58   the net for the next time at least 44 [TS]

00:48:00   some topic i don't know if we'll settle [TS]

00:48:02   it here or not but do you guys have any [TS]

00:48:04   suggestions of things you think we [TS]

00:48:06   should read or things that you're [TS]

00:48:07   reading right now or things that are [TS]

00:48:09   soon to come out or things that are soon [TS]

00:48:11   to come out that would work i'll try to [TS]

00:48:12   look I'm going to look at my list I just [TS]

00:48:14   fly [TS]

00:48:15   um I just signed up for the Mongolian [TS]

00:48:17   add oh yeah i was thinking about that [TS]

00:48:19   but I i love Stephenson but i'm a little [TS]

00:48:21   a little skeptical of the multi-author [TS]

00:48:23   yeah two minds with Stevenson I like it [TS]

00:48:27   man I'd hate him at the same time so [TS]

00:48:28   it's difficult I i think we should [TS]

00:48:31   probably talk about maybe gee John [TS]

00:48:33   Scalzi and neal stephenson next time I [TS]

00:48:35   think those would be fun topics mongolia [TS]

00:48:37   by the way you come on Goliad dot-com [TS]

00:48:39   spelled like it sounds and it's a this [TS]

00:48:42   shared world story over the course of a [TS]

00:48:45   year and you pay like 10 bucks and I [TS]

00:48:47   sort of paid because i'm intrigued by [TS]

00:48:49   the idea and i would like to encourage [TS]

00:48:50   them to try it and at some point it's [TS]

00:48:53   going to be like an iPad an iPhone app [TS]

00:48:54   so you can just read the story as it [TS]

00:48:56   goes in the app although it doesn't [TS]

00:48:57   exist yet but I'm looking guy i'm a [TS]

00:49:00   sucker for that kind of thing it's like [TS]

00:49:02   I want to support people trying new ways [TS]

00:49:03   to do a little fiction on the internet [TS]

00:49:05   and even if it is it for ten bucks or [TS]

00:49:08   whatever it was like it's worth it i'll [TS]

00:49:09   give them up give him some seed money [TS]

00:49:11   for them to try it and see if it works [TS]

00:49:13   mtm from i'm flipping through my my list [TS]

00:49:16   of books that are you know that I i [TS]

00:49:18   write down to make sure i see when they [TS]

00:49:19   come out and unfortunately most of them [TS]

00:49:21   are sort of its continuations of series [TS]

00:49:24   is but one of the ones all throughout [TS]

00:49:25   their is the second book in a duology by [TS]

00:49:28   connie willis [TS]

00:49:29   who is a great writer in case you've [TS]

00:49:31   never ridden read anything that she has [TS]

00:49:33   written she's written a number of things [TS]

00:49:35   including a doomsday book which I [TS]

00:49:38   believe will yeah those are good and to [TS]

00:49:40   say nothing of the dog and stay healthy [TS]

00:49:42   dogs really revisited that same universe [TS]

00:49:46   in a two-part series the first of which [TS]

00:49:49   came out earlier this year and the [TS]

00:49:50   second of which comes out next month [TS]

00:49:52   called blackout and all clear which [TS]

00:49:55   route basically also time travel stories [TS]

00:49:57   that take place primarily during the [TS]

00:49:59   Blitz I loved those two books to say [TS]

00:50:03   nothing of the dog and domesday book and [TS]

00:50:05   what what I found fascinating about this [TS]

00:50:06   doomsday book great book so depressing [TS]

00:50:10   and to say nothing of the dog same [TS]

00:50:12   universe is so funny and not dark and [TS]

00:50:16   black out and all clear i would put [TS]

00:50:18   somewhere in between the two are it's [TS]

00:50:21   not got the same quite as like oh my god [TS]

00:50:24   that I you know this is so so like oh [TS]

00:50:27   god I can't even take this that you get [TS]

00:50:29   with doomsday book when you're flipping [TS]

00:50:30   you can't stop reading because its own [TS]

00:50:32   questions that you say time is just like [TS]

00:50:34   four so tragic for those who have [TS]

00:50:36   introduced a book it's essentially your [TS]

00:50:38   you get to meet a lot of nice people who [TS]

00:50:39   are going to die of the Black Death [TS]

00:50:41   yeah yeah and that's it's not it doesn't [TS]

00:50:43   have the farcical aspects of to say [TS]

00:50:45   nothing of the dog but it's still it's [TS]

00:50:47   mainly focused on the history of this [TS]

00:50:49   world of the the Blitz and you know that [TS]

00:50:52   sort of the experience of that as we [TS]

00:50:54   just I think we just passed the like the [TS]

00:50:55   60-something anniversary of it like last [TS]

00:50:58   week I heard on the BBC so it seems the [TS]

00:51:00   time a a timely moment to revisit it [TS]

00:51:03   right Scott [TS]

00:51:05   well are you guys familiar with this job [TS]

00:51:08   this upcoming genre of weird writing [TS]

00:51:10   called bizarro anybody know [TS]

00:51:13   so anyways now one of the I've recently [TS]

00:51:16   become aware of any sort of an ugly [TS]

00:51:18   gentlemen dresses like Superman it is it [TS]

00:51:20   is named after that that ugly gentleman [TS]

00:51:22   and I guess the whole point of the genre [TS]

00:51:24   is that you just write these insane [TS]

00:51:27   stories that you know are just insane so [TS]

00:51:30   one of the the books that I've read it's [TS]

00:51:32   only like a hundred pages on is called [TS]

00:51:34   Shatner quake right there i think about [TS]

00:51:38   you can't so the idea the idea behind [TS]

00:51:41   this book is that there [TS]

00:51:42   it's set in an alternate universe where [TS]

00:51:44   William Shatner has this cult of [TS]

00:51:46   personality about him [TS]

00:51:47   my guess is not too far from the truth [TS]

00:51:49   and uh he got there are conventions [TS]

00:51:53   dedicated to William Shatner and his [TS]

00:51:55   various roles and he goes to one of [TS]

00:51:57   these conventions and in this world [TS]

00:51:59   there's a thing called a fiction bomb [TS]

00:52:01   that destroys fiction and so the [TS]

00:52:04   nefarious people who do not who are why [TS]

00:52:07   I want to ruin too much but they don't [TS]

00:52:08   like William Shatner I and said I set [TS]

00:52:10   off one of these bombs and instead of [TS]

00:52:12   destroying William Shatner's fictional [TS]

00:52:14   work it does the opposite and creates [TS]

00:52:16   multiple Shatner's throughout his [TS]

00:52:19   various of the TJ Hooker and Captain [TS]

00:52:21   Kirk and william shatner has to figure [TS]

00:52:22   out a way to get out of this building [TS]

00:52:25   that is full of himself [TS]

00:52:26   yeah and just like an apt choice of [TS]

00:52:29   words [TS]

00:52:30   yeah I I all I can say Scott is our [TS]

00:52:32   there's a baja I don't think there are [TS]

00:52:34   there are multiple Shatner's but no [TS]

00:52:35   Zeppelin's so I don't know multiple [TS]

00:52:38   Shatner's muscles janitors actually the [TS]

00:52:40   conversion rate between Shatner's f1 is [TS]

00:52:42   roughly three William Shatner's [TS]

00:52:44   persepolis well there you go [TS]

00:52:45   yes when he was younger it was larger [TS]

00:52:47   back the race is falling off or toss as [TS]

00:52:51   it does so that random read more about [TS]

00:52:54   you [TS]

00:52:54   yeah do we actually want to read zero [TS]

00:52:56   history we want to actually put that on [TS]

00:52:59   well it's in hardcover so you really [TS]

00:53:01   need buy the ebook if you want to save [TS]

00:53:02   some money or go to a library by re-live [TS]

00:53:05   gods are important [TS]

00:53:07   I i think it's a third part of a series [TS]

00:53:09   so i don't know if i want to recommend [TS]

00:53:10   start having people read part 3 of a [TS]

00:53:12   series because you know you probably be [TS]

00:53:15   better off i mean you could this i could [TS]

00:53:17   i'm going to read it but you know i'm [TS]

00:53:19   happy to read something else too i'm not [TS]

00:53:21   going to read it [TS]

00:53:22   multiple shadows not Scott secondary [TS]

00:53:24   let's read something that Scott is going [TS]

00:53:26   to read so well we'll figure something [TS]

00:53:28   out and posted on the website of any [TS]

00:53:30   suggestions that you have when I the [TS]

00:53:32   only book that I kind of have in my mind [TS]

00:53:34   is not a newer book is not necessarily a [TS]

00:53:37   science-fiction so I think I'm gonna [TS]

00:53:39   stay off that for now all right okay [TS]

00:53:41   fair enough fair enough i don't i don't [TS]

00:53:45   really have anything to suggest at the [TS]

00:53:46   moment I i I'm still plowing through the [TS]

00:53:50   i think the last year's year's best [TS]

00:53:52   science fiction anthology which I like [TS]

00:53:54   because it's a I don't read [TS]

00:53:56   you read the sci-fi magazines or [TS]

00:53:58   anything like that and it's a nice [TS]

00:53:59   dollop of short stories and that's that [TS]

00:54:03   is a collection that I really love [TS]

00:54:05   having ani an e-book reader because it's [TS]

00:54:09   a huge volume it's like four or five [TS]

00:54:10   hundred pages and I never end up getting [TS]

00:54:13   through it to the end because then I [TS]

00:54:15   when I've only got a hundred pages left [TS]

00:54:16   i look at the size and I can't bear to [TS]

00:54:18   pack it and take it on the trip because [TS]

00:54:20   there's so little of it left and so I [TS]

00:54:22   just never read the last stories in the [TS]

00:54:24   in the book they could be blank for all [TS]

00:54:25   I know and I wouldn't know but i wanna [TS]

00:54:28   on an e-book reader it's actually great [TS]

00:54:30   and and that's a good that's the [TS]

00:54:32   gardener noise does why don't I [TS]

00:54:35   pronounce his name year's best science [TS]

00:54:38   fiction short story anthology so i'll [TS]

00:54:41   throw that out there for people who were [TS]

00:54:43   into the short story thing its there's [TS]

00:54:45   some good stuff in there is something we [TS]

00:54:47   should probably talk about a you know [TS]

00:54:49   like not current science fiction but you [TS]

00:54:51   know maybe Golden Age stuff that kind of [TS]

00:54:52   think actually that wouldn't be a [TS]

00:54:54   terrible terrible suggestion that little [TS]

00:54:57   terrible time is that would be a [TS]

00:54:59   terrible advice [TS]

00:55:00   I'm sorry I'm uh-huh no I think taking [TS]

00:55:03   something that sort of perceived as a [TS]

00:55:04   classic or at least it's been out there [TS]

00:55:05   for five years or ten years or something [TS]

00:55:07   like that we haven't read or that only a [TS]

00:55:09   few of us have read and giving it a read [TS]

00:55:11   might be a lot of fun uruu is funny [TS]

00:55:13   because when you mentioned earlier the [TS]

00:55:14   begin something and I just about him [TS]

00:55:16   tying everything together my first [TS]

00:55:17   thought was like that sounds like [TS]

00:55:18   something isaac asimov often do and [TS]

00:55:20   infected do that's true too and there's [TS]

00:55:23   some arguments there about whether that [TS]

00:55:24   really worked or not when I said I the [TS]

00:55:28   robots in the foundation are the same [TS]

00:55:30   haha look on you forgot the spoiler [TS]

00:55:35   Wow yes [TS]

00:55:36   we still spoiled in freestyle something [TS]

00:55:39   without writers been dead for like 20 [TS]

00:55:40   years you have probably not our statute [TS]

00:55:43   of limitations and spoilers have you [TS]

00:55:45   guys read spin by robert charles wilson [TS]

00:55:47   no no I don't know of it [TS]

00:55:50   oh man well maybe that should be what it [TS]

00:55:52   is that won the hugo award in 2006 and [TS]

00:55:55   it is great i think spin i might also be [TS]

00:56:00   one of the other things i have never [TS]

00:56:02   read that's a good one [TS]

00:56:04   it's i'm looking at the hugo winner 0 [TS]

00:56:06   and we want to we want to talk Michael [TS]

00:56:08   Chabon so maybe what we should do is do [TS]

00:56:09   your dishes policemen's union i think we [TS]

00:56:11   all agreed last time that might be a [TS]

00:56:12   good one to talk about might have [TS]

00:56:15   refresh my memory [TS]

00:56:16   yeah yeah that was a good book to so [TS]

00:56:18   what we'll set something up and will [TS]

00:56:19   will next time you hear from us dear [TS]

00:56:21   listener we will have our act together [TS]

00:56:23   and all of us will have read something [TS]

00:56:26   maybe that's a maybe even the same ya [TS]

00:56:28   mama knows and I guess that we've [TS]

00:56:31   reached the end of our time for now but [TS]

00:56:34   as always i want to remind everybody [TS]

00:56:36   they can go to the incomparable com you [TS]

00:56:37   can leave comments you can send it your [TS]

00:56:39   comments into podcast at the [TS]

00:56:41   uncomfortable com tell us what you like [TS]

00:56:43   what you don't like what you think we [TS]

00:56:44   should read what you want to hear more [TS]

00:56:46   of your opinion about the spoiler horn [TS]

00:56:47   anything else and until next time I want [TS]

00:56:51   to thank the my fellow compatriots here [TS]

00:56:53   on the podcast our friend called well [TS]

00:56:55   thanks for being here [TS]

00:56:56   I thank you Scott McNulty I'm glad that [TS]

00:56:59   you finally got out of your shell and [TS]

00:57:01   spoke up and told us what you really [TS]

00:57:02   forced podcast ever and and more and i'm [TS]

00:57:06   going back into my shell next time [TS]

00:57:07   alright thank goodness for that [TS]

00:57:10   until next time for everybody here at [TS]

00:57:12   the uncomfortable [TS]

00:57:14   we'll see you later bye [TS]

00:57:21   all clear [TS]

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