0:00:00it's September 2010 this is the
0:00:05incomparable podcast we're back on the
0:00:09incomparable podcast the topic today is
0:00:11movies it's free form because we have
0:00:13lots of really grand designs big plans
0:00:16and pants to match and they they failed
0:00:19miserably so instead that it's like the
0:00:22potpourri category of the uncomfortable
0:00:24i'm jason l joining me today on the
0:00:27podcast we have from the wilds of
0:00:29Massachusetts and more'n I'd and it's
0:00:32nice to be back it seems like it's been
0:00:34so long since the last time i was on a
0:00:36podcast you're like on the podcast every
0:00:37week now what's that about you got
0:00:39almost everyday really use that your for
0:00:42tool hehe podcast guy I got it all and
0:00:45joining me from the wilds of Southern
0:00:47California is ben boychuk hi Ben
0:00:49hello my fine feathered friends there
0:00:52are no feathers here this is not the
0:00:54feathery podcast that's a different
0:00:56podcast oh darn I think I supposed to be
0:00:57on a different call up so movies movies
0:01:00at the topic and I know you guys are
0:01:02movie lovers i would actually thought I
0:01:04would start by bringing up the topic of
0:01:06movie music because that's like the
0:01:08double bonus of geekiness and in
0:01:11particular i was going to talk about
0:01:12since this is the incomparable podcast
0:01:14music in genre movies
0:01:16Ben and I have had a running
0:01:18conversation about the star trek
0:01:19soundtracks that is exactly what I was
0:01:22just thinking when you said that because
0:01:23i have i have opinions
0:01:24yeah that's that's good and then my no
0:01:26Daniel a big john williams fan and a big
0:01:29star wars and indiana jones fan as well
0:01:30so we can talk john williams who has
0:01:32never scored a star trek movie by the
0:01:35way he has not but he has scored many
0:01:36other large franchises and parts of that
0:01:39was like the star wars and indiana jones
0:01:42and he did the first 3i believe Harry
0:01:44Potter movies at least the first two I
0:01:46think I think he did the third one is
0:01:48well I think that was the last one that
0:01:49he did was did he do that or did they
0:01:51just sort of play cues from the other
0:01:53movies starting and starting in four
0:01:54they actually play cues from like that
0:01:56you know it's other composers using the
0:01:58themes that he established in the first
0:02:00three
0:02:00nice nice sorry motif session say if i
0:02:03want to sound all sophisticated so in
0:02:06this discussion of composers where you
0:02:08guys are probably more much more
0:02:09well-versed in i am going to i'm gonna
0:02:10throw out the first name here which is
0:02:12michael giacchino who is an excellent
0:02:15composer not only of the latest Star
0:02:19Trek movie the JJ Abrams Star Trek
0:02:20reboot
0:02:21lots of the recent pics ours which are I
0:02:24think excellent the incredibles is a
0:02:25great score up as a very good score
0:02:28he scored ratatouille to did yes and
0:02:30also scored lost which i think is one of
0:02:33the best scored TV shows of all time
0:02:35it's interesting because the the music
0:02:37on lost is very subtle righty like you
0:02:39almost don't notice that they're there
0:02:40is except one goes yeah I mean it's very
0:02:43it's very weird show in that regard that
0:02:45was my jakey no there there yes because
0:02:48it they only use it very sparsely and
0:02:51it's very subtle when it comes up and
0:02:53you don't always think about it i think
0:02:54that's that's good like because of that
0:02:56show it would be very easy for it to be
0:02:59distracting or overwhelming or take you
0:03:01out of the moment but if they do such a
0:03:04he does such a great job thereof of
0:03:06reinforcing the feelings that you want
0:03:08to experience the sort of the mystery
0:03:10the suspense aspects of it and yet there
0:03:12are those moments where it comes to the
0:03:13fore and sometimes I i guess this is
0:03:15would be a good question to ask you guys
0:03:17in general that scores mostly for films
0:03:19because you don't usually talk about it
0:03:20although we could talk about it with
0:03:21lost
0:03:22do you notice the music in the film and
0:03:23think oh wow that's a really nice piece
0:03:25of music or do you say well you know
0:03:27you're not really doing your job if I'm
0:03:28noticing the music and not what's on the
0:03:30screen because there are some moments in
0:03:32Los where I actually felt like that
0:03:33night and i liked it i didn't dislike it
0:03:36that when they launched the the raft at
0:03:37the end of the first season in there yet
0:03:39incredibly uplifting score and i felt
0:03:41myself thinking wow this is great music
0:03:44for what's going on it took me out of
0:03:46the moment maybe a little bit but I
0:03:47didn't care because it was such a
0:03:48beautiful piece of work so is that valid
0:03:50to appreciate the music while you're
0:03:52watching something or is that a failing
0:03:53of either the music or the movie i think
0:03:55so i know i think so i think i think
0:03:57it's at its best score can be like
0:04:01another character in the film or can
0:04:03really really compliments the film in
0:04:05that was some of the most memorable
0:04:06films you'll see you
0:04:09you often associate with music I mean
0:04:12you could think of course of Star Wars
0:04:13and and the inner Indiana Jones movies
0:04:16and I think I think certainly the last
0:04:18star trek film with the cheeky no star
0:04:21trek is another great example of that I
0:04:23mean that was a I read an article not
0:04:26too long ago about how he approached it
0:04:29and and he had said chiquinho did that
0:04:32he was
0:04:34little bit overwhelmed because you know
0:04:35there's a there's a great tradition of
0:04:36jerry goldsmith did all you know of some
0:04:39of the original scores and then james
0:04:42horner did two very very good scores for
0:04:44four star trek to and star trek 3 and so
0:04:47he had that you know very much on his
0:04:49mind and he was sort of struggling with
0:04:51it and then sat down with Abraham's JJ
0:04:54Abrams and and they talked about it and
0:04:55they decided that this this movie was
0:04:57going to be a departure from that and
0:05:00that he should really approach it not as
0:05:02a space adventure film but as a film
0:05:06about friends about these these friends
0:05:10who would become lifelong friends and
0:05:12how they got together and so I don't
0:05:15know that that necessarily comes out
0:05:18when you see the movie but if you think
0:05:19about it knowing that and you listen to
0:05:22it again you you get some of that some
0:05:25of that pathos and some of that high
0:05:27adventure stuff and I think it works i
0:05:29think it works very well
0:05:30[Music]
0:05:51[Music]
0:05:54yeah i like to I like GQ school actually
0:05:57pop this the new star trek score
0:06:00oh not too long ago and I like it though
0:06:03I think that the soundtrack via the
0:06:04album version that i bought which i
0:06:06bought from itunes felt very disjointed
0:06:08to me and that's difficult i think i
0:06:11think soundtrack albums or score albums
0:06:12have really have a have a problem with
0:06:14that sometimes in that they get sort of
0:06:16chopped up and the ques aren't always
0:06:19exactly the same as they are in the
0:06:22movie because in the movie they're also
0:06:23edited to fit various seen lengths and
0:06:25stuff like that and so I found that the
0:06:27star trek album to have a couple
0:06:29outstanding tracks on it but at the same
0:06:32time to feel very disjointed for example
0:06:36you know the use of some of the central
0:06:38themes which I remember very vividly
0:06:41from the movie because they really stood
0:06:42out for me seem to only come up a couple
0:06:44times in the kate in the course of Billy
0:06:47entire album array whereas I felt like
0:06:49they happened more in the movie and so I
0:06:51right you know a little business on
0:06:52where we're going is so I think
0:06:54affecting in the movie and and effective
0:06:56and it on the soundtrack you know you
0:06:59almost missed it
0:06:59I I kept saying oh yeah that was the
0:07:01spot game and we'll never hear there is
0:07:02a there is a deluxe version of the
0:07:05soundtrack it came out words and it went
0:07:08out of friend after about five minutes
0:07:09because they only pressed 5000 copies of
0:07:12it but I got one and it's it's the
0:07:16complete score in order of appearance in
0:07:19the film and it's awake i agree with you
0:07:22completely that the standard album
0:07:24version is kind of a disappointment in
0:07:26that respect the deluxe version is great
0:07:28and if you can get help get ahold of it
0:07:30more power to you I'm going to look on
0:07:32amazon right now okay you might be able
0:07:35to anyway yeah you might have to go to
0:07:36ebay for that
0:07:37alright well that's good i'm glad to
0:07:39know that something like that exists
0:07:40because i find that that's a huge
0:07:42problem i mean like movies were talking
0:07:44you know movies that are a couple hours
0:07:45long and you know a soundtrack that's an
0:07:48hour short you know that they might sort
0:07:50of hit the high notes as it were for
0:07:52pardon the expression but the I always
0:07:54feel like there's so much missing that
0:07:57it's it's great when you can get a
0:07:59larger version of the you know that
0:08:02contains the entire score i had this
0:08:04issue and i will bring up a score that i
0:08:06really like oranges
0:08:07serve as an aside was for a terrible
0:08:10movie is the Phantom Menace core which
0:08:11is actually a very good score on CD yeah
0:08:14that's a great sports it's sort of john
0:08:16williams getting to revisit that that
0:08:18language that he he hadn't spoken in in
0:08:21years and it was really nice really
0:08:23more to the point there's a double CD
0:08:25edition of back that is vastly superior
0:08:27to the single the mission just but a
0:08:29terrible movie but a terrible
0:08:34[Music]
0:08:54[Music]
0:08:56speaking of great scores for for bad
0:09:00films i mean our star trek is concerned
0:09:03there is a deluxe edition of the star
0:09:05trek 3 soundtrack that just came out a
0:09:08couple months ago
0:09:09terrible movie but it's a really good
0:09:11score and in some i add in some ways I
0:09:14think it maybe even a little bit better
0:09:15than Star Trek to because both of those
0:09:18were composed by james horner in the
0:09:21early part of his career before he
0:09:22started repeating himself and and if
0:09:26there's some notice some really really
0:09:28nice stuff on there and the difference
0:09:30between Star Trek to start 3 at least as
0:09:32far as the soundtrack goes is I think
0:09:34order had a larger orchestra to work
0:09:36with 43 than he did with two
0:09:40[Music]
0:09:50[Music]
0:09:57you get the sense from the liner notes
0:09:59of the special edition of the star 2
0:10:02soundtrack that corner was sort of hired
0:10:04because he was young and she and didn't
0:10:06give him anything to do there and then
0:10:07with the third one there like all right
0:10:09kid you proved yourself here have an
0:10:10orchestra right and it and it shows and
0:10:13in particular the queue where they're
0:10:16stealing the enterprise from oh yeah
0:10:18that that's a great great q and so that
0:10:21alone was was worth buying the deluxe
0:10:24edition for since the original
0:10:25soundtrack disc is long out of print but
0:10:29the the deluxe edition just came out I
0:10:30think it's still available i think it's
0:10:32reasonably priced wow I had both of
0:10:34those on tape on connecticut back in the
0:10:36day but but search or three not terrible
0:10:39by the way I think it's mediocre but I i
0:10:41don't think it was a terrible start to
0:10:42fly and which actually had Jerry
0:10:44Goldsmith revisiting his Star Trek the
0:10:47motion picture score now that's bad
0:10:50now let me tell you that the Star Trek
0:10:51the motion picture score i maintain is
0:10:53an awesome score and I have the two-disc
0:10:56set of that came out a couple several
0:10:58years ago now and I think that and i
0:11:02recently ripped it to my it to my
0:11:03computer since i rarely play CDs anymore
0:11:05and i just love that I mean not only for
0:11:08the fact that goldsmith created the
0:11:10theme that would then go on to be used
0:11:12as the theme for the next generation and
0:11:14even fact I think goldsmith version in
0:11:16the motion picture is slightly different
0:11:18and superior i would argue
0:11:19[Music]
0:11:36but the whole sort of experimental
0:11:39aspects with the electronic aspects and
0:11:42you know dealing with the soundtrack for
0:11:44feature and all of the the sort of wacky
0:11:47parts i love i think it's great i think
0:11:49it is a fantastic score so i can't speak
0:11:51highly enough of that score though again
0:11:53the movie itself is weird and kind of
0:11:57mediocre yeah yeah that's the movie that
0:12:00really needed an editor at like one and
0:12:03then they released the special edition
0:12:04and it might want two minutes more high
0:12:06bias
0:12:07oh yeah yeah but the beauty of those
0:12:09flyby shots is that the music is quite
0:12:12quite points for entertaining and I've
0:12:14been trying to on your recommendation i
0:12:16do not actually own a copy of the star
0:12:18trek to score which I keep trying to
0:12:20find but it's not available anywhere as
0:12:21a electronic download right it was just
0:12:23the silver screen music CD the last CD
0:12:26that's the only CD I bought in the last
0:12:27three years is that is that because it
0:12:29was only available on CD is so
0:12:31frustrating i hate it when that happens
0:12:32but I thought I always thought was funny
0:12:34because you mentioned that the tape
0:12:35score and i remember that when i was in
0:12:37high school my friend Evan had a the
0:12:40tape of the star trek motion picture
0:12:42score and I borrowed that from him for a
0:12:44really long time and I think I even dug
0:12:46my own copy of it at one point onto
0:12:48cassette tape because i loved it someone
0:12:50here's a little-known fact and actually
0:12:51I don't know if been even knows this i
0:12:53was disappointed when they did the
0:12:55complete star trek to CD though that
0:12:58it's missing a track that was on my tape
0:13:00what's really on at the end of the
0:13:02second side of the cassette of the star
0:13:04trek to soundtrack boy were deep in the
0:13:06weeds aren't we
0:13:07it you know how on cassette tapes and
0:13:09records at the time but especially tapes
0:13:11you have side one inside too and they
0:13:13would be not quite the same length and
0:13:15you end up with like a big gap anh anh
0:13:16at the end of the tape that you have to
0:13:18fast-forward through if you have it over
0:13:19and listen again after about I think
0:13:21several minutes of silence at the end of
0:13:24the star 2 soundtrack there's like a
0:13:25three minute track that is like a pop
0:13:28remix of the theme of star trek to with
0:13:31drum machines and it's like up it i
0:13:34don't know where it came from i don't
0:13:35know who did it but my friends and I in
0:13:38high school thought it was really cool
0:13:40and we like a friend of mine made a
0:13:42montage of the best scenes of star trek
0:13:44to and and dubbed it over that that pop
0:13:48remix thing how is that not made it to
0:13:50youtube as well i don't think i have a
0:13:52copy of it anymore but but um uh or it
0:13:56would be on YouTube now but I it's funny
0:13:58and I so hoping somebody would explain
0:14:00the liner notes of what the heck that
0:14:01was even was because I don't even know
0:14:03if it appeared on the record but I know
0:14:04that it was hidden away with a secret
0:14:06bonus track on the tape of star trek to
0:14:08suit maybe james horner knows maybe he
0:14:10doesn't ever want that to be heard again
0:14:13yes I don't know ok let's talk Jackie
0:14:15know for one more minute though I i
0:14:16wanted to i'm curious what you think his
0:14:19best work is because he's done a lot of
0:14:21different film work now with Pixar with
0:14:23with Star Trek and and on on TV with
0:14:26lost any any opinions about that because
0:14:29I think incredible is the one that kills
0:14:31me because that's like I know perfect
0:14:33i'm john barry askah James Bond score
0:14:37with the brass and I i love the
0:14:39incredibles I don't own a lot of his
0:14:41albums but i will say that from you know
0:14:43my memories of watching the movie i
0:14:45thought that the score top was really
0:14:47fantastic and also just because i think
0:14:51you know my given my surpassing familiar
0:14:54with Jackie no I think that was very
0:14:55different from anything else I'd heard
0:14:57from at that point which was primarily
0:14:59like lost right and I and I thought that
0:15:02you know the up score would was so it
0:15:05was so sweet and and melodious and fit
0:15:08so well with the story that it really I
0:15:11really there's you know the theme that
0:15:13they played and you know the Oscars
0:15:14whenever they show a clip and they play
0:15:15sort of the central motif of that of the
0:15:18movie and it's just it's such a it's
0:15:20such a note-perfect beautiful little
0:15:22little piece
0:15:23[Music]
0:15:40I just saw an interview with him where
0:15:45where I'm not sure whether it's it i
0:15:48could misinterpret what he said or
0:15:49whether he actually made it this way but
0:15:50the impression I got was that he
0:15:52believes that his score saved that movie
0:15:57because he believes that he tell you
0:16:00what he said was something like if I if
0:16:02I don't score the the montage right
0:16:06where you really forget feel the emotion
0:16:09of of the guy and his wife and their
0:16:12life together in him losing her
0:16:14he said by the time you get to the point
0:16:16where there are dogs hijacking airplanes
0:16:18you're just gonna be checked out and say
0:16:20and I thought it was really interesting
0:16:21and i'm not quite sure whether he was
0:16:23misquoted or what's going on because
0:16:25he's essentially saying any maybe right
0:16:27is that unless you make that emotional
0:16:29investment in that montage which is kind
0:16:31of amazing in which the music is a major
0:16:32part of because there is no dialogue
0:16:35there it is just the music and visual
0:16:36right right that that movie might not
0:16:38play as well if you if you don't get the
0:16:40emotional investment to ground you
0:16:41before you have talking dogs who are
0:16:44running around a a dirigible a Zeppelin
0:16:47if you will that makes that makes a lot
0:16:50of sense to me
0:16:51yeah I think this is probably my
0:16:53favorite and for just that reason I mean
0:16:55it really that you know that that first
0:16:59six seven minutes so that you know what
0:17:01that montage it just rips your heart
0:17:03right out
0:17:04it was just so good second second place
0:17:07might be the the ratatouille score which
0:17:09is just so charming and you know
0:17:11locative of this this world that they
0:17:14create in Paris but now i want to put in
0:17:17the good word for for the music that God
0:17:20had noticed which was his videogame work
0:17:22and the Medal of Honor series which I
0:17:26guess is like that you have 12 or 13
0:17:28years old now and that that first medal
0:17:31of honor score which is on CD it's
0:17:33pretty easy to get i think it's even
0:17:34downloadable is really good and it you
0:17:36know it's really sounds like a film and
0:17:38it's really just it's really cool
0:17:40[Music]
0:17:54actually Jason I like the incredible
0:17:57score but I I'm kind of its kind of
0:17:59third tier for me precisely because it's
0:18:02a little bit too derivative of John be
0:18:04right
0:18:05this is true this is true I i see what I
0:18:07love I love it I and I part of it is
0:18:09that i love that movie yeah and then one
0:18:12more thing that for time there I would
0:18:13have said that that it would be very
0:18:15difficult for him to go wrong and it's
0:18:19interesting that you brought up the
0:18:20interview which i'd love to track down
0:18:22and look at the you know that his music
0:18:24saved may have saved help save up which
0:18:27is interesting because his worst score
0:18:30by far has got to be landing lost which
0:18:34was abysmal e bad and the music sounds
0:18:38like it's written to the material if you
0:18:41if you hear it so he wasn't trying to
0:18:43save it he was just going with i guess
0:18:46so i saw the movie months after I
0:18:48because i have this kind of funny habit
0:18:51i tend to buy soundtracks before I see
0:18:54movies and sometimes I never get around
0:18:57to seeing the movie but i have the
0:18:58soundtrack but that was one where i had
0:19:02i bought the soundtrack the day it came
0:19:04out i downloaded from itunes the day
0:19:06came out and then saw the movie when it
0:19:09came out on DVD in it and almost didn't
0:19:11finish it it it's really terrible and
0:19:15the music is about this it's very uneven
0:19:19that's sort of you know he goes from
0:19:21slapstick to and it just feels like he
0:19:23kind of phone do then and the movies
0:19:25about like that to dan you were saying
0:19:27that you've been listening to the word
0:19:29temple of doom soundtrack yeah i just
0:19:31had that on this afternoon actually
0:19:33well you're to go they released a box
0:19:35set of all full of all that was all for
0:19:37you know I hate to admit this is worth
0:19:39that there's for the leader going on but
0:19:42of all ps4 Indiana Jones that come out
0:19:46yeah yeah I don't know it had something
0:19:48to do with that others Arthur said there
0:19:50was a skull and on there i have this box
0:19:53that has the scores for all for Indiana
0:19:55Jones movies and so I you know had
0:19:57ripped them off my computer and I like
0:19:58to find that they're really helpful
0:20:00working just because there's not there's
0:20:01no words or anything so you know you can
0:20:03kind of zone out
0:20:04have that running in the background and
0:20:06so I the Temple of Doom is the one that
0:20:08I am beast familiar with because i
0:20:10actually already owned copies of raiders
0:20:12and last crusade at you know that the
0:20:14album versions of those at when before I
0:20:17even got the box set
0:20:19I like that i was listening temple you
0:20:21because I don't know it as well as the
0:20:22others and I think you seen that movie
0:20:24recently by the way I tell you know I
0:20:27I'm not gonna lie i've actually only
0:20:28seen it maybe 15 only seen it once I
0:20:32it's never had a desire to revisit my
0:20:34now wondering if it's as bad as i
0:20:35remember honestly the first day I might
0:20:38with a very funny experience I had with
0:20:39this was that when i was in high school
0:20:41we used to do these like movie marathon
0:20:43nights for my friends birthday and so
0:20:45one times like will do you know we did
0:20:47Star Wars last year will do Indiana
0:20:48Jones this year and so we watch traders
0:20:51and then we put in Temple of Doom and
0:20:53watch the first 10 minutes right up to
0:20:56the part where they jump out of the
0:20:57plane and then they said the rest of
0:20:58this movie is no good he started
0:21:00everything we went on to Last Crusade i
0:21:02did see the first 10 minutes of it again
0:21:03on cable and i watched it up until they
0:21:05jump out of the plane and and then I
0:21:07said alright that's that entire first
0:21:09scene is fantastic and actually on the
0:21:11soundtrack i really loved the cake
0:21:13capture singing the Chinese version of
0:21:15anything-goes which is just kind of a
0:21:18it's a bizarre little kind of fun
0:21:21musical number one of the funniest
0:21:23things and in the entire Indiana Jones
0:21:25series is that is the moment I love that
0:21:28moment where he's standing at the door
0:21:29of the plane having finally escaped and
0:21:31he shouts nice trial oj and closes the
0:21:34door to reveal that he's on a lounge
0:21:36chair freight plane i love that it's so
0:21:39funny and then there in the plane and
0:21:41they jump out and it
0:21:42yeah i mean age actually the movie is
0:21:44not awful there are some great sequences
0:21:46in but it's still a pretty good score
0:21:48all things considered I don't think it
0:21:50resonates with me quite as much as the
0:21:52other two because i love those movies so
0:21:54much but i think you know
0:21:57say what you will and i know a lot of
0:21:58people you know don't necessarily have
0:22:00the all-embracing love John Williams
0:22:03that i have but i think you know even at
0:22:06his worst you know the worst you can say
0:22:08about a John Williams score is that it's
0:22:10you know constantly professional scorer
0:22:13you know it may not be one of his best
0:22:15works but at the same time
0:22:17I it's john williams and that
0:22:19automatically for me put it a cut above
0:22:21most most things
0:22:29if we had talked about scott pilgrim I
0:22:32would have talked about the scott
0:22:33pilgrim music was there haha yeah that's
0:22:35good music good you
0:22:36although let me tell you inception has
0:22:37music haha inception has music that beat
0:22:41you over the head until you are dead
0:22:43did you see that the youtube video about
0:22:45it though no this is a kind of all just
0:22:48because this is actually gonna talk
0:22:50about spoilers for inception but I but
0:22:51the music is is who is the composer Hans
0:22:55Zimmer oh it's hans zimmer yes and so
0:22:57what's fascinating about this that
0:22:58somebody notices so you know the sort of
0:23:00the main queue for that movie you've got
0:23:03the dawn dawn it's sort of like having a
0:23:07ponderous background and bring into your
0:23:10head turns out that's actually so you
0:23:14know in the music they use a in the
0:23:15movie they use the there's an Edith Piaf
0:23:18song that they used to synchronize I
0:23:22don't try to do this I can't wait to a
0:23:23spoiler I'm to synchronize the the kick
0:23:27yes right if you take the beginning of
0:23:29that song and slow it down
0:23:31that is what it sounds like and he did
0:23:34that kind of on purpose as it's
0:23:35fascinating go look at the there's a
0:23:37youtube video online somewhere of
0:23:39comparing the two and it's actually
0:23:41quite clever when you think of it that
0:23:42way i know it is kind of a we
0:23:45we're not particularly melodious a piece
0:23:47of music but I kind of appreciated it
0:23:50for that aspect of it i was going to say
0:23:53who wrote it for him sing well I
0:23:58obviously was that Edith Piaf song just
0:24:00slow down right we'll see that's the
0:24:01entire score you know it's to our two
0:24:03and it's like it's like that justin
0:24:05bieber song on twitter that that they
0:24:08slow down so it's 18 minutes long and
0:24:10suddenly it's a pure moods half an hour
0:24:12long and it's great and it's not
0:24:15attacked guitar oh it's great it's one
0:24:17of the most relaxing things I've heard
0:24:19in years
0:24:21[Music]
0:24:32actually heard the it's the doctor who
0:24:36theme slow down to 110 that speed and
0:24:38that's great too
0:24:39that actually is you can tell where you
0:24:41are in the theme but you know it'll take
0:24:4445 minutes to get through it
0:24:45fantastic
0:24:49[Music]
0:24:59more music should be played at 17 the
0:25:02speed perhaps except from Hans Zimmer
0:25:05yeah maybe not so much although I do
0:25:07love his idea of his score for the rock
0:25:10you love the rock though i do that do
0:25:12that might be on my list of terrible
0:25:13movies i was gonna say what's your
0:25:15suggestion was we should talk about
0:25:17movies that other people don't like that
0:25:18you like that's not even the worst movie
0:25:21that I like that other people hate sure
0:25:23I could go all around i think the rock
0:25:24was ok but I know there are a lot of
0:25:26people who it's it's it's you know i
0:25:28will say this it's michael bay's right
0:25:29it's michael bay's best work which
0:25:31cannot say much but or ok Dan you
0:25:35intrigue me with your words that
0:25:36suggests that there are other movies
0:25:37that you like the people hate anymore
0:25:40i'm gonna get castigated for this but
0:25:42one of my favorite movies of all of
0:25:44possibly of all time is a terrible bruce
0:25:48willis vehicle called hudson hawk is up
0:25:52is a fan decks significant because it's
0:25:55so so bizarre it is a movie that it's
0:25:58surreal and kind of you know filled with
0:26:01terrible like plays on words and and all
0:26:06sorts of like slapstick humor and yet I
0:26:09find utterly delightful and it was when
0:26:13it came out as i believe it was you know
0:26:15roundly panned by are pretty much
0:26:18everybody for being like you know Bruce
0:26:20Willis trying to basically make his own
0:26:23character movie franchise and and sort
0:26:27of like it was a vanity piece basically
0:26:29but a friend of mine introduced me to it
0:26:31either in high school or college and I
0:26:34don't know it's just it's so
0:26:35over-the-top and so campy that I just
0:26:39find it utterly you know delightful to
0:26:41watch and and kind of ridiculous eclairs
0:26:44it's a no and for those of you not
0:26:46familiar with it basically bruce willis
0:26:49plays a thief reform thief is so it
0:26:52starts with him getting out of prison
0:26:53who is then sort of hired by this
0:26:56mysterious benefactor to to steal things
0:27:00that belong to me in our davinci
0:27:02actually sounds plausible but the best
0:27:05the best part of this is that so his his
0:27:08partner his in crime is played by danny
0:27:12aiello
0:27:12and they do their robberies by a time
0:27:16their robberies synchronizing them by
0:27:18singing songs so there's this great
0:27:22number where they're robbing uh an
0:27:24auction house and singing swinging on a
0:27:27star
0:27:28dad it's fantastic and so it is so
0:27:32strange and entertaining
0:27:34I don't know it's that's one of my
0:27:35guilty pleasure I saw it for the first
0:27:37time this year actually some friend of
0:27:41mine said you got to see this now it's
0:27:43really not as bad as it is as you've
0:27:45heard it wasn't as bad as I've heard
0:27:48okay i'll give you that and and that
0:27:50particular robbery scene is one that
0:27:52kind of sticks in my mind but then you
0:27:55got Sandra bernhardt in there you know
0:27:57chewing up the scenery and yeah you can
0:28:00kind of see why it was really so reviled
0:28:03but at yeah it isn't it isn't as bad as
0:28:07as it's been made out to be but that
0:28:09doesn't make it any good but it's very
0:28:13delightful little turns from my favorite
0:28:15being james coburn as a his uh his
0:28:19character's name but he is it George
0:28:22cabin
0:28:23yeah it's an homage to North by
0:28:24Northwest and the just call yourself a
0:28:27fan I just like it slipped my mind and
0:28:30all the heat because i have to defend
0:28:32this movie with my with my life
0:28:34you're out of the hudson hawk fan club
0:28:36now what I'm the old any president and
0:28:38founder of secretary-treasurer yeah
0:28:41you're out anyway so right now there's
0:28:44nobody anymore
0:28:45who let you in it's my turn off the
0:28:47lights yeah it's a it's a it's a fun
0:28:49ridiculously terrible me and and you get
0:28:52to the end and there's a there's a scene
0:28:53which makes it all worthwhile because
0:28:55you can basically tell that they they
0:28:57know that this movie is is not even
0:28:59remotely serious where a character who
0:29:02you think is dead after seeing them like
0:29:05go off a cliff with like an exploding
0:29:08car so you know rides up of course kind
0:29:10of city and everything and they're like
0:29:11oh my god you're alive like how did you
0:29:14get out of the fire and they go
0:29:16sprinkler system and they're all like
0:29:18that's got to be it you know that it's
0:29:21like that
0:29:22I love that sort of sheer joyful moment
0:29:24of B we don't even believe this
0:29:26ourselves but we're having a good time
0:29:28wow well dan I might be want to be on my
0:29:33story podcast side I don't think I I
0:29:36don't I've got the 1i i'm such a are a
0:29:40rugged individualist that I actually
0:29:42don't know whether people like movies
0:29:44that I like nor do i care but i know
0:29:46that everybody hates em night Shyamalan
0:29:48and really why not
0:29:51but not only did I kind of like the
0:29:52village but I love unbreakable which i
0:29:54think is generally thought to have been
0:29:56a failure because it was just follow up
0:29:58to the sixties I thought it was
0:29:59well-received there but it's kind of a
0:30:01cult classic and i'll say that a cult
0:30:03classic seaside also want to note I'm
0:30:05gonna file that under cult classic
0:30:07because I I talk about unbreakable with
0:30:08some people in there like ugh you know
0:30:10just oh come on
0:30:12but I thought it was a great I one of
0:30:14the better superhero movies ever to be
0:30:16made because it wasn't you don't go in
0:30:17understanding that it is a superhero
0:30:19movie and it's only later that you
0:30:21discover that Bruce Willis there he is
0:30:23again is actually poncho man and you
0:30:26just didn't even know that poncho purple
0:30:28punch oh man was a superhero because he
0:30:30wasn't until you saw the movie and i
0:30:32realize that i will say that it's a
0:30:34fantastic movie let me try another one
0:30:36then I didn't think that watchman was
0:30:38terrible
0:30:39oh I although although that scene in the
0:30:42it with the music playing and with uh
0:30:45what is it hallelujah which is just
0:30:47destroyed that a that music entirely
0:30:49where they're having sex in the AL ship
0:30:51up in the sky was so terrible and I
0:30:54think there's some questionable casting
0:30:55decisions but you know I actually
0:30:57thought that was not I i I've lived with
0:31:01that comic book for a long time and I
0:31:02actually thought that that as film
0:31:04adaptations of I've imagined go it would
0:31:06probably have been it was not not a
0:31:09complete disaster i thought that it had
0:31:11its heart in the right place and parts
0:31:13of it worked pretty well and then other
0:31:15yeah they have any should've cast real
0:31:17actors instead of pretty on unknown
0:31:19people who were they should spend less
0:31:21money on some of their green screen work
0:31:24and maybe a little more money on alcohol
0:31:25though it had to you know I thought that
0:31:27was a movie that was flawed but
0:31:28ambitious and as a result I think you
0:31:31know there's something to be said for
0:31:32that
0:31:33it also does have a couple
0:31:34markable terms I thought out Jackie are
0:31:37highly as Rorschach is nicer a fantastic
0:31:41and probably the best performance in
0:31:42that entirely as opposed to the worst
0:31:45performance in the entire movie which is
0:31:46it a toss up between melon acre melon
0:31:49and who is you can't act her way out of
0:31:51a paper bag and matthew goode who is not
0:31:54a bad actor but you've hit the two
0:31:56biggest but he get in my face probably
0:31:58his accent changes like every five
0:32:00minutes in that movie and he just looks
0:32:02he just can't yell it in English its
0:32:04German its American it is English its
0:32:07but i agree that it's not it's not an
0:32:09awful movie I wouldn't say that I really
0:32:10liked it loved it or anything but you
0:32:12know I agree that it was kind of a noble
0:32:14failure that movie for me that actually
0:32:16diminished source material haha because
0:32:21I i left that I saw with a friend of
0:32:23mine yet you can look at Lori now
0:32:25without thinking of mail & Ackerman no
0:32:27vacant eyes of man cannot be best
0:32:30this is that no it actually 2222 see
0:32:35that movie on screen is to understand
0:32:38why more thought it couldn't and
0:32:40shouldn't have been made into a film
0:32:42because the to actually see it play out
0:32:46that way is to realize that there are
0:32:48some real incoherent aspects of the
0:32:52story so it sort of exposes it exposes
0:32:55parts of the story that maybe we're
0:32:57hidden in the in a comic write it but
0:32:59that but there are some real sins in
0:33:01that film that the greatest of which is
0:33:03to give to mail & Ackerman the most
0:33:06important Lyle in the entire book which
0:33:09was dr. Manhattan's line at the very end
0:33:11hey I remember what John said to me once
0:33:14about something that was none related to
0:33:15this at all one thing ever never ever
0:33:17really over
0:33:18no nothing's ever really / you know he
0:33:20told me that once haha yeah alright
0:33:22that's a no you want to eat i'm hungry
0:33:25that's gonna like let's do i'm gonna dye
0:33:28my hair and moved to California so yeah
0:33:30that yeah it had a lot of loss i said
0:33:34for years that the only way that
0:33:35watchman should ever be made into
0:33:37anything would be a 12-part like HBO
0:33:41series miniseries where they could do it
0:33:44in the twelve parts and tell these
0:33:45individual sort of story chunks with
0:33:47those
0:33:47endings and the cliffhangers that
0:33:49happened at the end of the chapters the
0:33:51issues from the comic there is some
0:33:54attempt you know the game of thrones by
0:33:56george RR martin is being made into an
0:33:58HBO series and I I look at that and say
0:34:01now that's I think that's how you how
0:34:03you have to do it or if you some of the
0:34:05band of brothers are the Pacific where
0:34:07there's a essentially a big mega
0:34:08miniseries I just think that the the
0:34:11concept was just going to be too
0:34:12expensive for them to do it so they end
0:34:14up making this movie instead
0:34:15and it's funny when you say that because
0:34:16the first thing I thought when you when
0:34:18you mentioned watchman is that that is
0:34:20my feeling on it's like wow you know
0:34:21this movie the best thing I can say
0:34:23about this movie is it makes me long for
0:34:24the day when they eventually we might
0:34:26not as a TV series in the Indian
0:34:28depreciated category and throughout kiss
0:34:30kiss bang bang
0:34:31how is that uh appreciate that's that is
0:34:33like one of the best movies like nobody
0:34:35even knows that exists right Shane
0:34:37Black's uh directed and written and he's
0:34:40got a bad reputation right from the sum
0:34:42of the didn't you do last action hero or
0:34:44something or you did some day he's got a
0:34:46bad like personal rep I feel like
0:34:48because I think he went through some bad
0:34:49stuff in the eighties but he also wrote
0:34:50I mean the original lead away which is
0:34:52actually a pretty darn good movie but
0:34:54that's that's a welcomer and robbins
0:34:57junior that's managed on him
0:34:59no I haven't and send the cue but it's
0:35:02very mellow yeah yeah I we recommended
0:35:04race on shocked the country actually
0:35:06because I didn't have high expectations
0:35:08I i had recommended by somebody in and i
0:35:10was i could not believe how good it was
0:35:12that was one of the last movie I saw
0:35:14multiple times in a movie theater i
0:35:15think i actually saw three times because
0:35:17i kept dragging other people to it being
0:35:18like you got to see this movie and last
0:35:20on my list of course spider-man 3 which
0:35:22is no I can't even he can't even pretend
0:35:24that this terrible funny though because
0:35:27you mentioned Sean and I was going to
0:35:29say not only do i like the village and
0:35:30unbreakable
0:35:31I like lady in the water and I'm
0:35:32definitely in the minority there I
0:35:34didn't although i will say that
0:35:35happening is a terrible movie
0:35:38I haven't seen it happening that will
0:35:39wear my own just don't know it's so bad
0:35:42it's a terrible movie I will I will
0:35:44argue that shaman is a is an excellent
0:35:46an extremely talented filmmaker I mean
0:35:49if you look at any of his movies not
0:35:51just you know from a writing perspective
0:35:53but from the perspective of a you know
0:35:55an officer the the films that he put
0:35:58together our
0:35:59so well they're well shot ya know so
0:36:02deliberate yes it's got you know really
0:36:04great total consistency for the most
0:36:07part he's just an excellent filmmaker
0:36:09but you know for whatever reason his
0:36:11last couple movies I mean I think it's
0:36:13unfortunate because like you said I
0:36:14think so much got banged on the name you
0:36:16know like after he made his reputation
0:36:18with six cents like everybody got to
0:36:20expecting a certain type of movie from
0:36:23the total and that lucky especially the
0:36:25whole like twist ending thing I think
0:36:27that unfortunately kinda kinda you know
0:36:29not enough foot yeah yeah because like I
0:36:32mean and and to be fair six cents
0:36:33unbreakable has a great twist ending
0:36:36that I you know I will say I did not see
0:36:37coming at all yet and that seems still
0:36:39gets me every time I last scene where
0:36:41it's just like oh my god you know this
0:36:44was not a coincidence
0:36:45yeah and so I mean I think he he makes
0:36:47great films and I think you know I
0:36:50certainly don't think we've heard the
0:36:51last of him he's got this but I don't
0:36:54know he's got this knight chronicles
0:36:56thing going which is I guess he's
0:36:59producing these films and they're sort
0:37:01of based on maybe some of his ideas but
0:37:04he's letting other people right and
0:37:06directed my first one of these is devil
0:37:08which is coming out
0:37:10I don't know when it's coming out this
0:37:12it's coming out soon yeah i mean i have
0:37:15to interject there because i went to see
0:37:16went to the movies last week and they
0:37:19played the trailer for this right right
0:37:21arm
0:37:22oh yeah and that the text came up
0:37:24because they don't say that he's not
0:37:25directing it you tried my internet
0:37:27channel and from the mind
0:37:29yes and he moves people booed it was
0:37:31good yeah it was booed when i was there
0:37:33everyone goes OH really you know like
0:37:36and and I'm surprised because this was
0:37:37not like a Peter where that I feel like
0:37:39there's there's a lot of bed often
0:37:40happening but man we all my friends and
0:37:43our kind of looked at each other like
0:37:44holding out we didn't realize that you
0:37:46know i mean we know that he's using his
0:37:48reputation and credibility has gone
0:37:50downhill but that was pretty brutal
0:37:52that's too bad i mean he's a he's a guy
0:37:53who's right for a comeback if he gets
0:37:55there although if you see the online
0:37:57there's a parody so that movies about
0:37:58like you know a bunch of people get shot
0:38:00like stuck in an elevator in a tall
0:38:01building and there's like a demon or
0:38:03something in there with them I don't
0:38:04know Devil's you be heated a parody of
0:38:06it
0:38:07um
0:38:08with people trapped on including himself
0:38:10in it of people trapped on an escalator
0:38:12which is actually pretty funny so
0:38:15there's like a two minute trailer of
0:38:17this movie about these three people get
0:38:18stuck on an escalator
0:38:20ya know canvas career be saved I I think
0:38:23he's got the talent so it's gonna give
0:38:25him five to ten years to sort of you
0:38:26know cool off fine go find himself and I
0:38:29think I think you'll see him come back
0:38:31with something that that will everybody
0:38:33will go
0:38:33hey remember I'm not java on that you
0:38:35bet you thought he was like dad or
0:38:37something out in this movie is good that
0:38:40that's that's the hope is us
0:38:42occasionally talk about I think he took
0:38:43it as a personal affront that
0:38:44unbreakable wasn't a hit but he noted
0:38:47talking occasionally about about doing a
0:38:49sequel which I would love because I love
0:38:50the first movie
0:38:51yea though I heard last I heard was that
0:38:53one of the ideas for this Knight
0:38:55Chronicles series was going to be
0:38:57somebody doing you know taking the
0:38:59idomeni he had taken the idea he had for
0:39:02a sequel and turning it into a separate
0:39:05unconnected movie cells too well he also
0:39:07said he still wants to do the sequel but
0:39:09that is idea is one idea for a villain
0:39:12that you had briefly thought about
0:39:14including in the first movie was going
0:39:16to be broken off but he said so because
0:39:19i think i saw the same interview I think
0:39:20you're talking about and I think he said
0:39:22so the unbreakable sequel will be
0:39:24something else
0:39:25so that's you know that's promising
0:39:27maybe they'll be nice i mean like i
0:39:28think the big as you said I think he
0:39:30took it very personally my cousin who's
0:39:32a huge movie aficionado you know will
0:39:34always point the scene and Lady of the
0:39:35water where that basically involves the
0:39:38sort of brutal killing of a film critic
0:39:40and say there's something wrong yeah and
0:39:42you've got to put that into a movie like
0:39:44clearly you know you have some issues
0:39:46that you need to work out and I think
0:39:48he's probably not wrong about that and
0:39:50and I hope that he works through those
0:39:52issues because again i do think he's a
0:39:54really talented filmmaker yeah I yes
0:39:56let's hide that that seem that seam is
0:39:59mystifying and terrible and in otherwise
0:40:03wonder movie that i really like but you
0:40:05know well again it had its faults it's
0:40:07it's a it's interesting because it's the
0:40:11sort of parable fairytale kind of movie
0:40:12all that it was not marketed as such
0:40:14which was one of the big reasons I think
0:40:16it fly faster but Stardust was better
0:40:18start us was I like to start us but I
0:40:21don't know there's something about
0:40:22leaving the water that it may have just
0:40:23been you know the point at which i saw
0:40:25or you know what was feeling good that
0:40:28day
0:40:28yeah i don't know i mean i really i
0:40:30thought it was really good and speaking
0:40:31of movies with a great score it has a
0:40:33fantastic score by James Newton Howard
0:40:34who does i think almost all the nice
0:40:37John with stuff i think i think it does
0:40:38involve yeah i like the young guy like
0:40:40the ingredients for yeah that's a great
0:40:42scores well he did that he did that too
0:40:44i think that they're good they're good
0:40:46pair i was thinking that you're talking
0:40:48about about Shana I was thinking I
0:40:50wonder if I wonder if Robert Rodriguez
0:40:52is so entering that period where you
0:40:57know some of his material is just a
0:41:00little bit too self-indulgent and
0:41:02not-so-great he's in his comfort zone
0:41:06right because he's just making movies
0:41:07for himself down in the down in Austin
0:41:09like your eyes in his house
0:41:11I i mean i'll say I liked I liked both
0:41:13Rodriguez half of a grindhouse and I saw
0:41:17machete this past week and actually
0:41:18thought it was pretty darn good
0:41:20I mean it's set up to do a certain thing
0:41:22and I think it really did that pretty I
0:41:24am
0:41:24no I i actually yeah I liked planet
0:41:27terror
0:41:28I mean of the two parts by the terror
0:41:31was the tighter and less sprawling of
0:41:34the two and i did see machete and I and
0:41:36I liked it more or less likely said he
0:41:38was a little bit little bit long little
0:41:40bit episodic but yeah I didn't I enjoyed
0:41:43it a great deal and i i i i laughed
0:41:47throughout and and i've since i have
0:41:49i've read a lot of a lot of the
0:41:51criticism of in particular some of the
0:41:53political criticism of men and it's kind
0:41:55of like a little bit too much but it's
0:41:59not bad it could be probably half an
0:42:02hour shorter than it is but yeah my
0:42:04friend said that cut 10 minutes of
0:42:06people talking and replace it with you
0:42:08no more killing people can be there
0:42:10yeah that's right that's right for a
0:42:12movie that started as a joke
0:42:14yes oh yeah joke time it fulfilled on
0:42:17exactly the movie you wanted to see
0:42:20after that trailer which was pretty
0:42:22impressive is he and host or is he just
0:42:24a wrong guy
0:42:26no no easy he's wrong he's an expert on
0:42:28ladies who has been left for dead and
0:42:30write comebacks comes back with his
0:42:32mature for revenge
0:42:34right you know what else is something
0:42:35you know what else is getting made hobo
0:42:37with a shotgun
0:42:38yes I heard that with whatever our
0:42:40director our looking about a hundred and
0:42:42fifty-five years old but and he's not a
0:42:44day over a hundred and seventy-five I've
0:42:46seen hobos on fire by the Grail road
0:42:49gate 5 i've heard the cries of a shotgun
0:42:53freaking out that have been in
0:42:55identifying release too many times I'm
0:42:57to cash in
0:42:59I had a conversation with somebody about
0:43:01blade runner the other day saying I you
0:43:03know maybe for me it's never been one of
0:43:05those like you know a lot of people side
0:43:07is such a great guy like me I i think
0:43:10it's I've enjoyed the one version of it
0:43:13that I've seen which was the director's
0:43:15cut version so i guess that's the middle
0:43:17version the version that was not the
0:43:18theatrical release for the voiceover but
0:43:20the version that was not the final cut
0:43:21that was really later it's like let me
0:43:23tell you that's a movie that's been
0:43:24released
0:43:25way too many times now and and also I i
0:43:27really dislike ridley scott from
0:43:29meddling in i think you know I'm very
0:43:31strong believer that once the movie
0:43:33leaves the hands of the filmmaker and
0:43:34enters that the audience that basically
0:43:36you should shut the hell up as a
0:43:38filmmaker I like the idea of saying look
0:43:40at that we hit we all hated the
0:43:42voiceover let's try it without right but
0:43:44i've heard people who say that they
0:43:45really like the voice-over version and
0:43:47that to them is a pure version because
0:43:49it was sort of the original and they
0:43:50think that you know there's a there's an
0:43:52aspect of the noir hard-boiled more
0:43:55detective to it that makes sense
0:43:57I've seen the original and the final cut
0:44:00of Blade Runner and so one with
0:44:02narration and one without
0:44:04and what I'll tell you is while I
0:44:05appreciated things about them and some
0:44:08of the dialogue and and the art
0:44:09direction i find both of them sleep
0:44:13inducing and in fact both times i
0:44:15inflicted this moving on my wife she
0:44:17fell asleep
0:44:18both times that's a that's a perfect
0:44:21batting average of putting my wife to
0:44:23sleep and really driving me close to the
0:44:25edge of sleep to I if we were talking
0:44:27about movies that i think are overrated
0:44:28i have to say it I think blade runner's
0:44:30is as fascinating as it is or
0:44:33psychologically they had I I don't
0:44:36really like it based on a book that is
0:44:38that is very different from the movie
0:44:41yeah very clearly has a very different
0:44:43vision from philip k dick original novel
0:44:46and I think that's again the
0:44:47the reason that I mean I just don't I
0:44:50you know really Scott basically came out
0:44:52one point said I think you know
0:44:54decorative woman you know i won't go
0:44:56which way not going to sense come on
0:44:58you're not gonna sound this point no no
0:44:59I'm not that old he thinks the doctored
0:45:01was a replicant right yeah and it's like
0:45:03well I mean I you know I respect that as
0:45:05his own interpretation but i think that
0:45:07you know it's basically again once it's
0:45:09out of your hands like you know shut the
0:45:11hell up and let the audience like I feel
0:45:13because the movie leaves it kind of you
0:45:15know ambiguous and well I know the first
0:45:1815 years I knew about that movie I
0:45:21didn't even give that a serious bit of
0:45:23consideration as possibility so I i find
0:45:25it ambiguous yeah okay that's very did
0:45:28but I mean I think you know I think that
0:45:30it should be left up to the audience to
0:45:32make their own interpretation that's
0:45:33that's my opinion that you know the way
0:45:36that the filmmaker should not interfere
0:45:38with that right but you know what the
0:45:40score holds up pretty well
0:45:41see that's part of the reason that I I
0:45:43pass out when i try to watch it is that
0:45:45there's no Angeles yeah to put me just
0:45:48wants me to pull it's actually not it's
0:45:50it's actually just his chariots of fire
0:45:52theme slowed was gonna say that would be
0:45:54awesome be awesome you just remade that
0:45:56movie with the chariots of fire theme
0:45:58and said no now let's know it 17 species
0:46:01into the score listen to the score on
0:46:03its own
0:46:03let's go to score on sounds trip
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0:46:14are there any movies that are that are
0:46:17on the way or that you've seen recently
0:46:18that are coming to video that you would
0:46:20like to recommend to our massive
0:46:21incomparable movie audience who is
0:46:23already shut off their ipods and putting
0:46:25them into the sea because this podcast
0:46:27has gone on too long
0:46:28kickass kick-ass just add on well DVD i
0:46:31think it's big enough now for a lot of
0:46:33time people here is probably what a
0:46:34month six weeks but so you like kick-ass
0:46:36with the tablet with a foul mouth little
0:46:38girl
0:46:39yeah yeah and actually that was the
0:46:40thing where I i wasn't really familiar
0:46:43with the graphic novel on which it was
0:46:45based but um read the graphic novel
0:46:47before I saw the movie and so I kind of
0:46:49a new kind of what to expect going in
0:46:51and it it improved some things on the
0:46:55graphic novel and it and it makes some
0:46:58compromises but I think for the most
0:46:59part of the improvements outweigh the
0:47:02deficiencies and I thought it was it was
0:47:05really good and kind of looking forward
0:47:08to the sequel i will say that i think
0:47:09the first two-thirds of it is excellent
0:47:11and then I think it kind of last act it
0:47:13loses its way a little bit a bit a bit
0:47:16but it if it's such a great like parody
0:47:21not like parody satire on on the whole
0:47:24superhero genre for about the first
0:47:26two-thirds three-fourths of it and then
0:47:28the last act really turns it into wait
0:47:30now you're actually making a superhero
0:47:32movie and so you kind of become the
0:47:34thing that you're satirizing and I think
0:47:35that's where it lost me but i think that
0:47:36the first two-thirds of it is really
0:47:38really good
0:47:39ya know and the actors are great in it
0:47:42and you know Nick Cage hams it up
0:47:45beautifully and now it's um it's it's
0:47:49well worth seeing and I'm gonna watch it
0:47:52again on DVD pretty soon but too well
0:47:55worth it not worth it all right what
0:47:56about you Dan
0:47:57I'm sort of flipping through and seeing
0:47:59with what's coming out soon because I
0:48:00think there were a couple things coming
0:48:01out in a in the next month or two that i
0:48:04did want to see you want to see that
0:48:05movie about the owls that saved the
0:48:07magical fairyland that was totally one
0:48:09of them how did you know in a way where
0:48:12this razor one with chihuahuas
0:48:14I I don't share their personal foul
0:48:18remotely was with two was in it I think
0:48:21the two that I sort of see as I flipping
0:48:22through what's coming out is there's a
0:48:25movie coming out called
0:48:27hold up buried with ryan right yeah yeah
0:48:30which has a it's basically about a guy
0:48:33who gets you know sort of the divers
0:48:34like a military contractor and iran iraq
0:48:36i think it's like kidnapped and buried
0:48:38basically in a coffin and it's got this
0:48:40fascinating
0:48:41it's got some great trailers to you know
0:48:43very atmospheric there's an aspect of it
0:48:46that you know they've been really
0:48:47playing up in a lot of the posters and
0:48:49and trailers almost AAA saul bass sort
0:48:53of like ethic design ethic that reminds
0:48:55you of like the old Hitchcock openings
0:48:57and I think there is something sort of i
0:48:59like to be I love those movies that are
0:49:01based on those really really constrained
0:49:03sets i think of I think again of his
0:49:06cock movies like a rope and lifeboat
0:49:09where it's really confined into ace a a
0:49:12single location and it and i think
0:49:14especially for a movie that is this is
0:49:16clearly a little really claustrophobic
0:49:19I think that that that's a really
0:49:20interesting idea so I have no idea if
0:49:22it's good or not but it said it strikes
0:49:25me as something that's that's different
0:49:26and unique and I don't know if Reynolds
0:49:29has what it takes to pull it off but i
0:49:32think that's I would certainly be
0:49:34interested finding out and then the
0:49:36other thing i think i was really
0:49:37interested in seeing was actually the
0:49:39social network because i think i really
0:49:41like David Fincher I think he's a he's a
0:49:43very talented director and it strikes
0:49:46and I like the guy who they get slightly
0:49:48to jesse eisenberg who last year was in
0:49:50zombieland and did a fantastic job in
0:49:52that movie and if you ever want to see
0:49:55him in another really good roll movie
0:49:57called rodger dodger that he did many
0:49:58years ago with Campbell Scott is also
0:50:00really good and so those are converted
0:50:02the interesting intersection of that
0:50:05along with this story of I don't know is
0:50:07the story of facebook is really that
0:50:08interesting but the idea that you know
0:50:11it interested both venture and aaron
0:50:13sorkin who wrote the screenplay enough
0:50:15to make a movie out of it suggests to me
0:50:16that there is there something there
0:50:18news broke this week or or maybe last
0:50:28week as you're listening to this dear
0:50:30listener for that a deal has been cut
0:50:33between Stephen King yes soul and Brian
0:50:38Grazer and Ron Howard and they are going
0:50:40to make the dark tower not as a movie
0:50:43and not as a TV series but as a movie
0:50:46and a TV series in another movie and
0:50:49another season of a TV series and
0:50:51another movie this is this is the most
0:50:54ambitious thing I've heard since the
0:50:55week before when they announced that
0:50:57they were going to turn Sandman into a
0:50:58TV show and then we'll save that for
0:51:01another podcast yeah we'll save that for
0:51:03another podcast but still i love the
0:51:05dark tower and and I you know if it's
0:51:09going to be done then I agree that it
0:51:11needs to be done in a suitably sprawling
0:51:13epic fashion and honestly I could spend
0:51:15an entire podcast talking about the dark
0:51:16tower but not this but not this one but
0:51:19you know a separate separate the road I
0:51:22I just in some ways even with the you
0:51:24know people like Ron Howard you know
0:51:26names like that behind it
0:51:28part of me wonders if this will ever get
0:51:29done just because it's so ambitious
0:51:32yeah and and there's a lot of talk about
0:51:34it and and previously in fact the the
0:51:36rights were held by JJ Abrams and garlic
0:51:41you say yeah and so they couldn't figure
0:51:43out how to get a handle on it and after
0:51:45several years and so you know i think
0:51:48Howard's you know Ron Howard is a you
0:51:51know has made some good movies in the
0:51:52past but he's also you know turned out a
0:51:53lot of really really bland studio
0:51:56pictures in recent years and so it's
0:51:58it's a weird pairing from that regard to
0:52:01see him involved in that and akiva
0:52:03goldsman who is the writer has quite a
0:52:07spotty resume in space
0:52:11I believe those who wrote the Batman and
0:52:14Robin Thicke get lost in space Batman
0:52:16and Robin but also beautiful mind a
0:52:19beautiful mind and actually is already
0:52:21gun parts of French yeah actually
0:52:23brought some so up and down up and down
0:52:26yeah but interesting I I think it's a
0:52:28great idea and the idea that they would
0:52:29cast they were
0:52:31cast the people and they would be in the
0:52:33movies and TV shows and they would shoot
0:52:35it I presumably in advance my guess is
0:52:37to the TV series would be one of these
0:52:3813-episode jobs and not like a full
0:52:41sprawling 22-episode kind of thing and
0:52:43that they would shoot in an extended
0:52:45period of time they would shoot a movie
0:52:47and some episodes and then another film
0:52:49with the same crew and cast which is I
0:52:52think never been done so and yeah any
0:52:55obviously that would be a lot for an
0:52:56actor to to commit to so I find it in
0:52:58i'm gonna find it really interesting to
0:53:00see what they get for that i read an
0:53:01interview with Stephen King today asking
0:53:03him about it and asking him one of the
0:53:06questions they asked him was well how do
0:53:07you feel about this on you know NBC as
0:53:10opposed to something like HBO because
0:53:11this is you know the dark tower is a
0:53:13pretty grim at times violent and brutal
0:53:17a piece of work and you know can you do
0:53:21that justice on on broadcast television
0:53:23as opposed to on you know what something
0:53:24like HBO and he said well you know every
0:53:27time I i feel like i've worked on in an
0:53:29environment like that which is
0:53:30constrained me a little bit really
0:53:32challenges me to find a creative
0:53:33solution and so I think he seemed sort
0:53:36of intrigued in the challenges that that
0:53:38would raise me i'm on a little more
0:53:40skeptical maybe of how that's going to
0:53:43pan out but I i think it will it will
0:53:45certainly be interesting to see all
0:53:47right I predict we'll all be mummies by
0:53:49the time comes yeah that's that's right
0:53:52but the good news ben is that mummy
0:53:55vision will launch by then and we'll be
0:53:57able to see it in our tombs in our
0:53:59sarcophagi well you know that you have
0:54:01to put on the 3d wrap around your head
0:54:03see it in full 3d in my vision
0:54:06alright well I think that we've done
0:54:08enough damage for one day until the next
0:54:10installment of the uncomfortable podcast
0:54:12i want to thank my guess
0:54:14dan born thank you you're welcome that
0:54:18wait that doesn't make any sense and ben
0:54:20boychuk thanks for having me thank you
0:54:22very much
0:54:23this is jason smell thanks for listening
0:54:25to the incomparable see you next time
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