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0:00:00it's September 2010 this is the

0:00:05incomparable podcast we're back on the

0:00:09incomparable podcast the topic today is

0:00:11movies it's free form because we have

0:00:13lots of really grand designs big plans

0:00:16and pants to match and they they failed

0:00:19miserably so instead that it's like the

0:00:22potpourri category of the uncomfortable

0:00:24i'm jason l joining me today on the

0:00:27podcast we have from the wilds of

0:00:29Massachusetts and more'n I'd and it's

0:00:32nice to be back it seems like it's been

0:00:34so long since the last time i was on a

0:00:36podcast you're like on the podcast every

0:00:37week now what's that about you got

0:00:39almost everyday really use that your for

0:00:42tool hehe podcast guy I got it all and

0:00:45joining me from the wilds of Southern

0:00:47California is ben boychuk hi Ben

0:00:49hello my fine feathered friends there

0:00:52are no feathers here this is not the

0:00:54feathery podcast that's a different

0:00:56podcast oh darn I think I supposed to be

0:00:57on a different call up so movies movies

0:01:00at the topic and I know you guys are

0:01:02movie lovers i would actually thought I

0:01:04would start by bringing up the topic of

0:01:06movie music because that's like the

0:01:08double bonus of geekiness and in

0:01:11particular i was going to talk about

0:01:12since this is the incomparable podcast

0:01:14music in genre movies

0:01:16Ben and I have had a running

0:01:18conversation about the star trek

0:01:19soundtracks that is exactly what I was

0:01:22just thinking when you said that because

0:01:23i have i have opinions

0:01:24yeah that's that's good and then my no

0:01:26Daniel a big john williams fan and a big

0:01:29star wars and indiana jones fan as well

0:01:30so we can talk john williams who has

0:01:32never scored a star trek movie by the

0:01:35way he has not but he has scored many

0:01:36other large franchises and parts of that

0:01:39was like the star wars and indiana jones

0:01:42and he did the first 3i believe Harry

0:01:44Potter movies at least the first two I

0:01:46think I think he did the third one is

0:01:48well I think that was the last one that

0:01:49he did was did he do that or did they

0:01:51just sort of play cues from the other

0:01:53movies starting and starting in four

0:01:54they actually play cues from like that

0:01:56you know it's other composers using the

0:01:58themes that he established in the first

0:02:00three

0:02:00nice nice sorry motif session say if i

0:02:03want to sound all sophisticated so in

0:02:06this discussion of composers where you

0:02:08guys are probably more much more

0:02:09well-versed in i am going to i'm gonna

0:02:10throw out the first name here which is

0:02:12michael giacchino who is an excellent

0:02:15composer not only of the latest Star

0:02:19Trek movie the JJ Abrams Star Trek

0:02:20reboot

0:02:21lots of the recent pics ours which are I

0:02:24think excellent the incredibles is a

0:02:25great score up as a very good score

0:02:28he scored ratatouille to did yes and

0:02:30also scored lost which i think is one of

0:02:33the best scored TV shows of all time

0:02:35it's interesting because the the music

0:02:37on lost is very subtle righty like you

0:02:39almost don't notice that they're there

0:02:40is except one goes yeah I mean it's very

0:02:43it's very weird show in that regard that

0:02:45was my jakey no there there yes because

0:02:48it they only use it very sparsely and

0:02:51it's very subtle when it comes up and

0:02:53you don't always think about it i think

0:02:54that's that's good like because of that

0:02:56show it would be very easy for it to be

0:02:59distracting or overwhelming or take you

0:03:01out of the moment but if they do such a

0:03:04he does such a great job thereof of

0:03:06reinforcing the feelings that you want

0:03:08to experience the sort of the mystery

0:03:10the suspense aspects of it and yet there

0:03:12are those moments where it comes to the

0:03:13fore and sometimes I i guess this is

0:03:15would be a good question to ask you guys

0:03:17in general that scores mostly for films

0:03:19because you don't usually talk about it

0:03:20although we could talk about it with

0:03:21lost

0:03:22do you notice the music in the film and

0:03:23think oh wow that's a really nice piece

0:03:25of music or do you say well you know

0:03:27you're not really doing your job if I'm

0:03:28noticing the music and not what's on the

0:03:30screen because there are some moments in

0:03:32Los where I actually felt like that

0:03:33night and i liked it i didn't dislike it

0:03:36that when they launched the the raft at

0:03:37the end of the first season in there yet

0:03:39incredibly uplifting score and i felt

0:03:41myself thinking wow this is great music

0:03:44for what's going on it took me out of

0:03:46the moment maybe a little bit but I

0:03:47didn't care because it was such a

0:03:48beautiful piece of work so is that valid

0:03:50to appreciate the music while you're

0:03:52watching something or is that a failing

0:03:53of either the music or the movie i think

0:03:55so i know i think so i think i think

0:03:57it's at its best score can be like

0:04:01another character in the film or can

0:04:03really really compliments the film in

0:04:05that was some of the most memorable

0:04:06films you'll see you

0:04:09you often associate with music I mean

0:04:12you could think of course of Star Wars

0:04:13and and the inner Indiana Jones movies

0:04:16and I think I think certainly the last

0:04:18star trek film with the cheeky no star

0:04:21trek is another great example of that I

0:04:23mean that was a I read an article not

0:04:26too long ago about how he approached it

0:04:29and and he had said chiquinho did that

0:04:32he was

0:04:34little bit overwhelmed because you know

0:04:35there's a there's a great tradition of

0:04:36jerry goldsmith did all you know of some

0:04:39of the original scores and then james

0:04:42horner did two very very good scores for

0:04:44four star trek to and star trek 3 and so

0:04:47he had that you know very much on his

0:04:49mind and he was sort of struggling with

0:04:51it and then sat down with Abraham's JJ

0:04:54Abrams and and they talked about it and

0:04:55they decided that this this movie was

0:04:57going to be a departure from that and

0:05:00that he should really approach it not as

0:05:02a space adventure film but as a film

0:05:06about friends about these these friends

0:05:10who would become lifelong friends and

0:05:12how they got together and so I don't

0:05:15know that that necessarily comes out

0:05:18when you see the movie but if you think

0:05:19about it knowing that and you listen to

0:05:22it again you you get some of that some

0:05:25of that pathos and some of that high

0:05:27adventure stuff and I think it works i

0:05:29think it works very well

0:05:30[Music]

0:05:51[Music]

0:05:54yeah i like to I like GQ school actually

0:05:57pop this the new star trek score

0:06:00oh not too long ago and I like it though

0:06:03I think that the soundtrack via the

0:06:04album version that i bought which i

0:06:06bought from itunes felt very disjointed

0:06:08to me and that's difficult i think i

0:06:11think soundtrack albums or score albums

0:06:12have really have a have a problem with

0:06:14that sometimes in that they get sort of

0:06:16chopped up and the ques aren't always

0:06:19exactly the same as they are in the

0:06:22movie because in the movie they're also

0:06:23edited to fit various seen lengths and

0:06:25stuff like that and so I found that the

0:06:27star trek album to have a couple

0:06:29outstanding tracks on it but at the same

0:06:32time to feel very disjointed for example

0:06:36you know the use of some of the central

0:06:38themes which I remember very vividly

0:06:41from the movie because they really stood

0:06:42out for me seem to only come up a couple

0:06:44times in the kate in the course of Billy

0:06:47entire album array whereas I felt like

0:06:49they happened more in the movie and so I

0:06:51right you know a little business on

0:06:52where we're going is so I think

0:06:54affecting in the movie and and effective

0:06:56and it on the soundtrack you know you

0:06:59almost missed it

0:06:59I I kept saying oh yeah that was the

0:07:01spot game and we'll never hear there is

0:07:02a there is a deluxe version of the

0:07:05soundtrack it came out words and it went

0:07:08out of friend after about five minutes

0:07:09because they only pressed 5000 copies of

0:07:12it but I got one and it's it's the

0:07:16complete score in order of appearance in

0:07:19the film and it's awake i agree with you

0:07:22completely that the standard album

0:07:24version is kind of a disappointment in

0:07:26that respect the deluxe version is great

0:07:28and if you can get help get ahold of it

0:07:30more power to you I'm going to look on

0:07:32amazon right now okay you might be able

0:07:35to anyway yeah you might have to go to

0:07:36ebay for that

0:07:37alright well that's good i'm glad to

0:07:39know that something like that exists

0:07:40because i find that that's a huge

0:07:42problem i mean like movies were talking

0:07:44you know movies that are a couple hours

0:07:45long and you know a soundtrack that's an

0:07:48hour short you know that they might sort

0:07:50of hit the high notes as it were for

0:07:52pardon the expression but the I always

0:07:54feel like there's so much missing that

0:07:57it's it's great when you can get a

0:07:59larger version of the you know that

0:08:02contains the entire score i had this

0:08:04issue and i will bring up a score that i

0:08:06really like oranges

0:08:07serve as an aside was for a terrible

0:08:10movie is the Phantom Menace core which

0:08:11is actually a very good score on CD yeah

0:08:14that's a great sports it's sort of john

0:08:16williams getting to revisit that that

0:08:18language that he he hadn't spoken in in

0:08:21years and it was really nice really

0:08:23more to the point there's a double CD

0:08:25edition of back that is vastly superior

0:08:27to the single the mission just but a

0:08:29terrible movie but a terrible

0:08:34[Music]

0:08:54[Music]

0:08:56speaking of great scores for for bad

0:09:00films i mean our star trek is concerned

0:09:03there is a deluxe edition of the star

0:09:05trek 3 soundtrack that just came out a

0:09:08couple months ago

0:09:09terrible movie but it's a really good

0:09:11score and in some i add in some ways I

0:09:14think it maybe even a little bit better

0:09:15than Star Trek to because both of those

0:09:18were composed by james horner in the

0:09:21early part of his career before he

0:09:22started repeating himself and and if

0:09:26there's some notice some really really

0:09:28nice stuff on there and the difference

0:09:30between Star Trek to start 3 at least as

0:09:32far as the soundtrack goes is I think

0:09:34order had a larger orchestra to work

0:09:36with 43 than he did with two

0:09:40[Music]

0:09:50[Music]

0:09:57you get the sense from the liner notes

0:09:59of the special edition of the star 2

0:10:02soundtrack that corner was sort of hired

0:10:04because he was young and she and didn't

0:10:06give him anything to do there and then

0:10:07with the third one there like all right

0:10:09kid you proved yourself here have an

0:10:10orchestra right and it and it shows and

0:10:13in particular the queue where they're

0:10:16stealing the enterprise from oh yeah

0:10:18that that's a great great q and so that

0:10:21alone was was worth buying the deluxe

0:10:24edition for since the original

0:10:25soundtrack disc is long out of print but

0:10:29the the deluxe edition just came out I

0:10:30think it's still available i think it's

0:10:32reasonably priced wow I had both of

0:10:34those on tape on connecticut back in the

0:10:36day but but search or three not terrible

0:10:39by the way I think it's mediocre but I i

0:10:41don't think it was a terrible start to

0:10:42fly and which actually had Jerry

0:10:44Goldsmith revisiting his Star Trek the

0:10:47motion picture score now that's bad

0:10:50now let me tell you that the Star Trek

0:10:51the motion picture score i maintain is

0:10:53an awesome score and I have the two-disc

0:10:56set of that came out a couple several

0:10:58years ago now and I think that and i

0:11:02recently ripped it to my it to my

0:11:03computer since i rarely play CDs anymore

0:11:05and i just love that I mean not only for

0:11:08the fact that goldsmith created the

0:11:10theme that would then go on to be used

0:11:12as the theme for the next generation and

0:11:14even fact I think goldsmith version in

0:11:16the motion picture is slightly different

0:11:18and superior i would argue

0:11:19[Music]

0:11:36but the whole sort of experimental

0:11:39aspects with the electronic aspects and

0:11:42you know dealing with the soundtrack for

0:11:44feature and all of the the sort of wacky

0:11:47parts i love i think it's great i think

0:11:49it is a fantastic score so i can't speak

0:11:51highly enough of that score though again

0:11:53the movie itself is weird and kind of

0:11:57mediocre yeah yeah that's the movie that

0:12:00really needed an editor at like one and

0:12:03then they released the special edition

0:12:04and it might want two minutes more high

0:12:06bias

0:12:07oh yeah yeah but the beauty of those

0:12:09flyby shots is that the music is quite

0:12:12quite points for entertaining and I've

0:12:14been trying to on your recommendation i

0:12:16do not actually own a copy of the star

0:12:18trek to score which I keep trying to

0:12:20find but it's not available anywhere as

0:12:21a electronic download right it was just

0:12:23the silver screen music CD the last CD

0:12:26that's the only CD I bought in the last

0:12:27three years is that is that because it

0:12:29was only available on CD is so

0:12:31frustrating i hate it when that happens

0:12:32but I thought I always thought was funny

0:12:34because you mentioned that the tape

0:12:35score and i remember that when i was in

0:12:37high school my friend Evan had a the

0:12:40tape of the star trek motion picture

0:12:42score and I borrowed that from him for a

0:12:44really long time and I think I even dug

0:12:46my own copy of it at one point onto

0:12:48cassette tape because i loved it someone

0:12:50here's a little-known fact and actually

0:12:51I don't know if been even knows this i

0:12:53was disappointed when they did the

0:12:55complete star trek to CD though that

0:12:58it's missing a track that was on my tape

0:13:00what's really on at the end of the

0:13:02second side of the cassette of the star

0:13:04trek to soundtrack boy were deep in the

0:13:06weeds aren't we

0:13:07it you know how on cassette tapes and

0:13:09records at the time but especially tapes

0:13:11you have side one inside too and they

0:13:13would be not quite the same length and

0:13:15you end up with like a big gap anh anh

0:13:16at the end of the tape that you have to

0:13:18fast-forward through if you have it over

0:13:19and listen again after about I think

0:13:21several minutes of silence at the end of

0:13:24the star 2 soundtrack there's like a

0:13:25three minute track that is like a pop

0:13:28remix of the theme of star trek to with

0:13:31drum machines and it's like up it i

0:13:34don't know where it came from i don't

0:13:35know who did it but my friends and I in

0:13:38high school thought it was really cool

0:13:40and we like a friend of mine made a

0:13:42montage of the best scenes of star trek

0:13:44to and and dubbed it over that that pop

0:13:48remix thing how is that not made it to

0:13:50youtube as well i don't think i have a

0:13:52copy of it anymore but but um uh or it

0:13:56would be on YouTube now but I it's funny

0:13:58and I so hoping somebody would explain

0:14:00the liner notes of what the heck that

0:14:01was even was because I don't even know

0:14:03if it appeared on the record but I know

0:14:04that it was hidden away with a secret

0:14:06bonus track on the tape of star trek to

0:14:08suit maybe james horner knows maybe he

0:14:10doesn't ever want that to be heard again

0:14:13yes I don't know ok let's talk Jackie

0:14:15know for one more minute though I i

0:14:16wanted to i'm curious what you think his

0:14:19best work is because he's done a lot of

0:14:21different film work now with Pixar with

0:14:23with Star Trek and and on on TV with

0:14:26lost any any opinions about that because

0:14:29I think incredible is the one that kills

0:14:31me because that's like I know perfect

0:14:33i'm john barry askah James Bond score

0:14:37with the brass and I i love the

0:14:39incredibles I don't own a lot of his

0:14:41albums but i will say that from you know

0:14:43my memories of watching the movie i

0:14:45thought that the score top was really

0:14:47fantastic and also just because i think

0:14:51you know my given my surpassing familiar

0:14:54with Jackie no I think that was very

0:14:55different from anything else I'd heard

0:14:57from at that point which was primarily

0:14:59like lost right and I and I thought that

0:15:02you know the up score would was so it

0:15:05was so sweet and and melodious and fit

0:15:08so well with the story that it really I

0:15:11really there's you know the theme that

0:15:13they played and you know the Oscars

0:15:14whenever they show a clip and they play

0:15:15sort of the central motif of that of the

0:15:18movie and it's just it's such a it's

0:15:20such a note-perfect beautiful little

0:15:22little piece

0:15:23[Music]

0:15:40I just saw an interview with him where

0:15:45where I'm not sure whether it's it i

0:15:48could misinterpret what he said or

0:15:49whether he actually made it this way but

0:15:50the impression I got was that he

0:15:52believes that his score saved that movie

0:15:57because he believes that he tell you

0:16:00what he said was something like if I if

0:16:02I don't score the the montage right

0:16:06where you really forget feel the emotion

0:16:09of of the guy and his wife and their

0:16:12life together in him losing her

0:16:14he said by the time you get to the point

0:16:16where there are dogs hijacking airplanes

0:16:18you're just gonna be checked out and say

0:16:20and I thought it was really interesting

0:16:21and i'm not quite sure whether he was

0:16:23misquoted or what's going on because

0:16:25he's essentially saying any maybe right

0:16:27is that unless you make that emotional

0:16:29investment in that montage which is kind

0:16:31of amazing in which the music is a major

0:16:32part of because there is no dialogue

0:16:35there it is just the music and visual

0:16:36right right that that movie might not

0:16:38play as well if you if you don't get the

0:16:40emotional investment to ground you

0:16:41before you have talking dogs who are

0:16:44running around a a dirigible a Zeppelin

0:16:47if you will that makes that makes a lot

0:16:50of sense to me

0:16:51yeah I think this is probably my

0:16:53favorite and for just that reason I mean

0:16:55it really that you know that that first

0:16:59six seven minutes so that you know what

0:17:01that montage it just rips your heart

0:17:03right out

0:17:04it was just so good second second place

0:17:07might be the the ratatouille score which

0:17:09is just so charming and you know

0:17:11locative of this this world that they

0:17:14create in Paris but now i want to put in

0:17:17the good word for for the music that God

0:17:20had noticed which was his videogame work

0:17:22and the Medal of Honor series which I

0:17:26guess is like that you have 12 or 13

0:17:28years old now and that that first medal

0:17:31of honor score which is on CD it's

0:17:33pretty easy to get i think it's even

0:17:34downloadable is really good and it you

0:17:36know it's really sounds like a film and

0:17:38it's really just it's really cool

0:17:40[Music]

0:17:54actually Jason I like the incredible

0:17:57score but I I'm kind of its kind of

0:17:59third tier for me precisely because it's

0:18:02a little bit too derivative of John be

0:18:04right

0:18:05this is true this is true I i see what I

0:18:07love I love it I and I part of it is

0:18:09that i love that movie yeah and then one

0:18:12more thing that for time there I would

0:18:13have said that that it would be very

0:18:15difficult for him to go wrong and it's

0:18:19interesting that you brought up the

0:18:20interview which i'd love to track down

0:18:22and look at the you know that his music

0:18:24saved may have saved help save up which

0:18:27is interesting because his worst score

0:18:30by far has got to be landing lost which

0:18:34was abysmal e bad and the music sounds

0:18:38like it's written to the material if you

0:18:41if you hear it so he wasn't trying to

0:18:43save it he was just going with i guess

0:18:46so i saw the movie months after I

0:18:48because i have this kind of funny habit

0:18:51i tend to buy soundtracks before I see

0:18:54movies and sometimes I never get around

0:18:57to seeing the movie but i have the

0:18:58soundtrack but that was one where i had

0:19:02i bought the soundtrack the day it came

0:19:04out i downloaded from itunes the day

0:19:06came out and then saw the movie when it

0:19:09came out on DVD in it and almost didn't

0:19:11finish it it it's really terrible and

0:19:15the music is about this it's very uneven

0:19:19that's sort of you know he goes from

0:19:21slapstick to and it just feels like he

0:19:23kind of phone do then and the movies

0:19:25about like that to dan you were saying

0:19:27that you've been listening to the word

0:19:29temple of doom soundtrack yeah i just

0:19:31had that on this afternoon actually

0:19:33well you're to go they released a box

0:19:35set of all full of all that was all for

0:19:37you know I hate to admit this is worth

0:19:39that there's for the leader going on but

0:19:42of all ps4 Indiana Jones that come out

0:19:46yeah yeah I don't know it had something

0:19:48to do with that others Arthur said there

0:19:50was a skull and on there i have this box

0:19:53that has the scores for all for Indiana

0:19:55Jones movies and so I you know had

0:19:57ripped them off my computer and I like

0:19:58to find that they're really helpful

0:20:00working just because there's not there's

0:20:01no words or anything so you know you can

0:20:03kind of zone out

0:20:04have that running in the background and

0:20:06so I the Temple of Doom is the one that

0:20:08I am beast familiar with because i

0:20:10actually already owned copies of raiders

0:20:12and last crusade at you know that the

0:20:14album versions of those at when before I

0:20:17even got the box set

0:20:19I like that i was listening temple you

0:20:21because I don't know it as well as the

0:20:22others and I think you seen that movie

0:20:24recently by the way I tell you know I

0:20:27I'm not gonna lie i've actually only

0:20:28seen it maybe 15 only seen it once I

0:20:32it's never had a desire to revisit my

0:20:34now wondering if it's as bad as i

0:20:35remember honestly the first day I might

0:20:38with a very funny experience I had with

0:20:39this was that when i was in high school

0:20:41we used to do these like movie marathon

0:20:43nights for my friends birthday and so

0:20:45one times like will do you know we did

0:20:47Star Wars last year will do Indiana

0:20:48Jones this year and so we watch traders

0:20:51and then we put in Temple of Doom and

0:20:53watch the first 10 minutes right up to

0:20:56the part where they jump out of the

0:20:57plane and then they said the rest of

0:20:58this movie is no good he started

0:21:00everything we went on to Last Crusade i

0:21:02did see the first 10 minutes of it again

0:21:03on cable and i watched it up until they

0:21:05jump out of the plane and and then I

0:21:07said alright that's that entire first

0:21:09scene is fantastic and actually on the

0:21:11soundtrack i really loved the cake

0:21:13capture singing the Chinese version of

0:21:15anything-goes which is just kind of a

0:21:18it's a bizarre little kind of fun

0:21:21musical number one of the funniest

0:21:23things and in the entire Indiana Jones

0:21:25series is that is the moment I love that

0:21:28moment where he's standing at the door

0:21:29of the plane having finally escaped and

0:21:31he shouts nice trial oj and closes the

0:21:34door to reveal that he's on a lounge

0:21:36chair freight plane i love that it's so

0:21:39funny and then there in the plane and

0:21:41they jump out and it

0:21:42yeah i mean age actually the movie is

0:21:44not awful there are some great sequences

0:21:46in but it's still a pretty good score

0:21:48all things considered I don't think it

0:21:50resonates with me quite as much as the

0:21:52other two because i love those movies so

0:21:54much but i think you know

0:21:57say what you will and i know a lot of

0:21:58people you know don't necessarily have

0:22:00the all-embracing love John Williams

0:22:03that i have but i think you know even at

0:22:06his worst you know the worst you can say

0:22:08about a John Williams score is that it's

0:22:10you know constantly professional scorer

0:22:13you know it may not be one of his best

0:22:15works but at the same time

0:22:17I it's john williams and that

0:22:19automatically for me put it a cut above

0:22:21most most things

0:22:29if we had talked about scott pilgrim I

0:22:32would have talked about the scott

0:22:33pilgrim music was there haha yeah that's

0:22:35good music good you

0:22:36although let me tell you inception has

0:22:37music haha inception has music that beat

0:22:41you over the head until you are dead

0:22:43did you see that the youtube video about

0:22:45it though no this is a kind of all just

0:22:48because this is actually gonna talk

0:22:50about spoilers for inception but I but

0:22:51the music is is who is the composer Hans

0:22:55Zimmer oh it's hans zimmer yes and so

0:22:57what's fascinating about this that

0:22:58somebody notices so you know the sort of

0:23:00the main queue for that movie you've got

0:23:03the dawn dawn it's sort of like having a

0:23:07ponderous background and bring into your

0:23:10head turns out that's actually so you

0:23:14know in the music they use a in the

0:23:15movie they use the there's an Edith Piaf

0:23:18song that they used to synchronize I

0:23:22don't try to do this I can't wait to a

0:23:23spoiler I'm to synchronize the the kick

0:23:27yes right if you take the beginning of

0:23:29that song and slow it down

0:23:31that is what it sounds like and he did

0:23:34that kind of on purpose as it's

0:23:35fascinating go look at the there's a

0:23:37youtube video online somewhere of

0:23:39comparing the two and it's actually

0:23:41quite clever when you think of it that

0:23:42way i know it is kind of a we

0:23:45we're not particularly melodious a piece

0:23:47of music but I kind of appreciated it

0:23:50for that aspect of it i was going to say

0:23:53who wrote it for him sing well I

0:23:58obviously was that Edith Piaf song just

0:24:00slow down right we'll see that's the

0:24:01entire score you know it's to our two

0:24:03and it's like it's like that justin

0:24:05bieber song on twitter that that they

0:24:08slow down so it's 18 minutes long and

0:24:10suddenly it's a pure moods half an hour

0:24:12long and it's great and it's not

0:24:15attacked guitar oh it's great it's one

0:24:17of the most relaxing things I've heard

0:24:19in years

0:24:21[Music]

0:24:32actually heard the it's the doctor who

0:24:36theme slow down to 110 that speed and

0:24:38that's great too

0:24:39that actually is you can tell where you

0:24:41are in the theme but you know it'll take

0:24:4445 minutes to get through it

0:24:45fantastic

0:24:49[Music]

0:24:59more music should be played at 17 the

0:25:02speed perhaps except from Hans Zimmer

0:25:05yeah maybe not so much although I do

0:25:07love his idea of his score for the rock

0:25:10you love the rock though i do that do

0:25:12that might be on my list of terrible

0:25:13movies i was gonna say what's your

0:25:15suggestion was we should talk about

0:25:17movies that other people don't like that

0:25:18you like that's not even the worst movie

0:25:21that I like that other people hate sure

0:25:23I could go all around i think the rock

0:25:24was ok but I know there are a lot of

0:25:26people who it's it's it's you know i

0:25:28will say this it's michael bay's right

0:25:29it's michael bay's best work which

0:25:31cannot say much but or ok Dan you

0:25:35intrigue me with your words that

0:25:36suggests that there are other movies

0:25:37that you like the people hate anymore

0:25:40i'm gonna get castigated for this but

0:25:42one of my favorite movies of all of

0:25:44possibly of all time is a terrible bruce

0:25:48willis vehicle called hudson hawk is up

0:25:52is a fan decks significant because it's

0:25:55so so bizarre it is a movie that it's

0:25:58surreal and kind of you know filled with

0:26:01terrible like plays on words and and all

0:26:06sorts of like slapstick humor and yet I

0:26:09find utterly delightful and it was when

0:26:13it came out as i believe it was you know

0:26:15roundly panned by are pretty much

0:26:18everybody for being like you know Bruce

0:26:20Willis trying to basically make his own

0:26:23character movie franchise and and sort

0:26:27of like it was a vanity piece basically

0:26:29but a friend of mine introduced me to it

0:26:31either in high school or college and I

0:26:34don't know it's just it's so

0:26:35over-the-top and so campy that I just

0:26:39find it utterly you know delightful to

0:26:41watch and and kind of ridiculous eclairs

0:26:44it's a no and for those of you not

0:26:46familiar with it basically bruce willis

0:26:49plays a thief reform thief is so it

0:26:52starts with him getting out of prison

0:26:53who is then sort of hired by this

0:26:56mysterious benefactor to to steal things

0:27:00that belong to me in our davinci

0:27:02actually sounds plausible but the best

0:27:05the best part of this is that so his his

0:27:08partner his in crime is played by danny

0:27:12aiello

0:27:12and they do their robberies by a time

0:27:16their robberies synchronizing them by

0:27:18singing songs so there's this great

0:27:22number where they're robbing uh an

0:27:24auction house and singing swinging on a

0:27:27star

0:27:28dad it's fantastic and so it is so

0:27:32strange and entertaining

0:27:34I don't know it's that's one of my

0:27:35guilty pleasure I saw it for the first

0:27:37time this year actually some friend of

0:27:41mine said you got to see this now it's

0:27:43really not as bad as it is as you've

0:27:45heard it wasn't as bad as I've heard

0:27:48okay i'll give you that and and that

0:27:50particular robbery scene is one that

0:27:52kind of sticks in my mind but then you

0:27:55got Sandra bernhardt in there you know

0:27:57chewing up the scenery and yeah you can

0:28:00kind of see why it was really so reviled

0:28:03but at yeah it isn't it isn't as bad as

0:28:07as it's been made out to be but that

0:28:09doesn't make it any good but it's very

0:28:13delightful little turns from my favorite

0:28:15being james coburn as a his uh his

0:28:19character's name but he is it George

0:28:22cabin

0:28:23yeah it's an homage to North by

0:28:24Northwest and the just call yourself a

0:28:27fan I just like it slipped my mind and

0:28:30all the heat because i have to defend

0:28:32this movie with my with my life

0:28:34you're out of the hudson hawk fan club

0:28:36now what I'm the old any president and

0:28:38founder of secretary-treasurer yeah

0:28:41you're out anyway so right now there's

0:28:44nobody anymore

0:28:45who let you in it's my turn off the

0:28:47lights yeah it's a it's a it's a fun

0:28:49ridiculously terrible me and and you get

0:28:52to the end and there's a there's a scene

0:28:53which makes it all worthwhile because

0:28:55you can basically tell that they they

0:28:57know that this movie is is not even

0:28:59remotely serious where a character who

0:29:02you think is dead after seeing them like

0:29:05go off a cliff with like an exploding

0:29:08car so you know rides up of course kind

0:29:10of city and everything and they're like

0:29:11oh my god you're alive like how did you

0:29:14get out of the fire and they go

0:29:16sprinkler system and they're all like

0:29:18that's got to be it you know that it's

0:29:21like that

0:29:22I love that sort of sheer joyful moment

0:29:24of B we don't even believe this

0:29:26ourselves but we're having a good time

0:29:28wow well dan I might be want to be on my

0:29:33story podcast side I don't think I I

0:29:36don't I've got the 1i i'm such a are a

0:29:40rugged individualist that I actually

0:29:42don't know whether people like movies

0:29:44that I like nor do i care but i know

0:29:46that everybody hates em night Shyamalan

0:29:48and really why not

0:29:51but not only did I kind of like the

0:29:52village but I love unbreakable which i

0:29:54think is generally thought to have been

0:29:56a failure because it was just follow up

0:29:58to the sixties I thought it was

0:29:59well-received there but it's kind of a

0:30:01cult classic and i'll say that a cult

0:30:03classic seaside also want to note I'm

0:30:05gonna file that under cult classic

0:30:07because I I talk about unbreakable with

0:30:08some people in there like ugh you know

0:30:10just oh come on

0:30:12but I thought it was a great I one of

0:30:14the better superhero movies ever to be

0:30:16made because it wasn't you don't go in

0:30:17understanding that it is a superhero

0:30:19movie and it's only later that you

0:30:21discover that Bruce Willis there he is

0:30:23again is actually poncho man and you

0:30:26just didn't even know that poncho purple

0:30:28punch oh man was a superhero because he

0:30:30wasn't until you saw the movie and i

0:30:32realize that i will say that it's a

0:30:34fantastic movie let me try another one

0:30:36then I didn't think that watchman was

0:30:38terrible

0:30:39oh I although although that scene in the

0:30:42it with the music playing and with uh

0:30:45what is it hallelujah which is just

0:30:47destroyed that a that music entirely

0:30:49where they're having sex in the AL ship

0:30:51up in the sky was so terrible and I

0:30:54think there's some questionable casting

0:30:55decisions but you know I actually

0:30:57thought that was not I i I've lived with

0:31:01that comic book for a long time and I

0:31:02actually thought that that as film

0:31:04adaptations of I've imagined go it would

0:31:06probably have been it was not not a

0:31:09complete disaster i thought that it had

0:31:11its heart in the right place and parts

0:31:13of it worked pretty well and then other

0:31:15yeah they have any should've cast real

0:31:17actors instead of pretty on unknown

0:31:19people who were they should spend less

0:31:21money on some of their green screen work

0:31:24and maybe a little more money on alcohol

0:31:25though it had to you know I thought that

0:31:27was a movie that was flawed but

0:31:28ambitious and as a result I think you

0:31:31know there's something to be said for

0:31:32that

0:31:33it also does have a couple

0:31:34markable terms I thought out Jackie are

0:31:37highly as Rorschach is nicer a fantastic

0:31:41and probably the best performance in

0:31:42that entirely as opposed to the worst

0:31:45performance in the entire movie which is

0:31:46it a toss up between melon acre melon

0:31:49and who is you can't act her way out of

0:31:51a paper bag and matthew goode who is not

0:31:54a bad actor but you've hit the two

0:31:56biggest but he get in my face probably

0:31:58his accent changes like every five

0:32:00minutes in that movie and he just looks

0:32:02he just can't yell it in English its

0:32:04German its American it is English its

0:32:07but i agree that it's not it's not an

0:32:09awful movie I wouldn't say that I really

0:32:10liked it loved it or anything but you

0:32:12know I agree that it was kind of a noble

0:32:14failure that movie for me that actually

0:32:16diminished source material haha because

0:32:21I i left that I saw with a friend of

0:32:23mine yet you can look at Lori now

0:32:25without thinking of mail & Ackerman no

0:32:27vacant eyes of man cannot be best

0:32:30this is that no it actually 2222 see

0:32:35that movie on screen is to understand

0:32:38why more thought it couldn't and

0:32:40shouldn't have been made into a film

0:32:42because the to actually see it play out

0:32:46that way is to realize that there are

0:32:48some real incoherent aspects of the

0:32:52story so it sort of exposes it exposes

0:32:55parts of the story that maybe we're

0:32:57hidden in the in a comic write it but

0:32:59that but there are some real sins in

0:33:01that film that the greatest of which is

0:33:03to give to mail & Ackerman the most

0:33:06important Lyle in the entire book which

0:33:09was dr. Manhattan's line at the very end

0:33:11hey I remember what John said to me once

0:33:14about something that was none related to

0:33:15this at all one thing ever never ever

0:33:17really over

0:33:18no nothing's ever really / you know he

0:33:20told me that once haha yeah alright

0:33:22that's a no you want to eat i'm hungry

0:33:25that's gonna like let's do i'm gonna dye

0:33:28my hair and moved to California so yeah

0:33:30that yeah it had a lot of loss i said

0:33:34for years that the only way that

0:33:35watchman should ever be made into

0:33:37anything would be a 12-part like HBO

0:33:41series miniseries where they could do it

0:33:44in the twelve parts and tell these

0:33:45individual sort of story chunks with

0:33:47those

0:33:47endings and the cliffhangers that

0:33:49happened at the end of the chapters the

0:33:51issues from the comic there is some

0:33:54attempt you know the game of thrones by

0:33:56george RR martin is being made into an

0:33:58HBO series and I I look at that and say

0:34:01now that's I think that's how you how

0:34:03you have to do it or if you some of the

0:34:05band of brothers are the Pacific where

0:34:07there's a essentially a big mega

0:34:08miniseries I just think that the the

0:34:11concept was just going to be too

0:34:12expensive for them to do it so they end

0:34:14up making this movie instead

0:34:15and it's funny when you say that because

0:34:16the first thing I thought when you when

0:34:18you mentioned watchman is that that is

0:34:20my feeling on it's like wow you know

0:34:21this movie the best thing I can say

0:34:23about this movie is it makes me long for

0:34:24the day when they eventually we might

0:34:26not as a TV series in the Indian

0:34:28depreciated category and throughout kiss

0:34:30kiss bang bang

0:34:31how is that uh appreciate that's that is

0:34:33like one of the best movies like nobody

0:34:35even knows that exists right Shane

0:34:37Black's uh directed and written and he's

0:34:40got a bad reputation right from the sum

0:34:42of the didn't you do last action hero or

0:34:44something or you did some day he's got a

0:34:46bad like personal rep I feel like

0:34:48because I think he went through some bad

0:34:49stuff in the eighties but he also wrote

0:34:50I mean the original lead away which is

0:34:52actually a pretty darn good movie but

0:34:54that's that's a welcomer and robbins

0:34:57junior that's managed on him

0:34:59no I haven't and send the cue but it's

0:35:02very mellow yeah yeah I we recommended

0:35:04race on shocked the country actually

0:35:06because I didn't have high expectations

0:35:08I i had recommended by somebody in and i

0:35:10was i could not believe how good it was

0:35:12that was one of the last movie I saw

0:35:14multiple times in a movie theater i

0:35:15think i actually saw three times because

0:35:17i kept dragging other people to it being

0:35:18like you got to see this movie and last

0:35:20on my list of course spider-man 3 which

0:35:22is no I can't even he can't even pretend

0:35:24that this terrible funny though because

0:35:27you mentioned Sean and I was going to

0:35:29say not only do i like the village and

0:35:30unbreakable

0:35:31I like lady in the water and I'm

0:35:32definitely in the minority there I

0:35:34didn't although i will say that

0:35:35happening is a terrible movie

0:35:38I haven't seen it happening that will

0:35:39wear my own just don't know it's so bad

0:35:42it's a terrible movie I will I will

0:35:44argue that shaman is a is an excellent

0:35:46an extremely talented filmmaker I mean

0:35:49if you look at any of his movies not

0:35:51just you know from a writing perspective

0:35:53but from the perspective of a you know

0:35:55an officer the the films that he put

0:35:58together our

0:35:59so well they're well shot ya know so

0:36:02deliberate yes it's got you know really

0:36:04great total consistency for the most

0:36:07part he's just an excellent filmmaker

0:36:09but you know for whatever reason his

0:36:11last couple movies I mean I think it's

0:36:13unfortunate because like you said I

0:36:14think so much got banged on the name you

0:36:16know like after he made his reputation

0:36:18with six cents like everybody got to

0:36:20expecting a certain type of movie from

0:36:23the total and that lucky especially the

0:36:25whole like twist ending thing I think

0:36:27that unfortunately kinda kinda you know

0:36:29not enough foot yeah yeah because like I

0:36:32mean and and to be fair six cents

0:36:33unbreakable has a great twist ending

0:36:36that I you know I will say I did not see

0:36:37coming at all yet and that seems still

0:36:39gets me every time I last scene where

0:36:41it's just like oh my god you know this

0:36:44was not a coincidence

0:36:45yeah and so I mean I think he he makes

0:36:47great films and I think you know I

0:36:50certainly don't think we've heard the

0:36:51last of him he's got this but I don't

0:36:54know he's got this knight chronicles

0:36:56thing going which is I guess he's

0:36:59producing these films and they're sort

0:37:01of based on maybe some of his ideas but

0:37:04he's letting other people right and

0:37:06directed my first one of these is devil

0:37:08which is coming out

0:37:10I don't know when it's coming out this

0:37:12it's coming out soon yeah i mean i have

0:37:15to interject there because i went to see

0:37:16went to the movies last week and they

0:37:19played the trailer for this right right

0:37:21arm

0:37:22oh yeah and that the text came up

0:37:24because they don't say that he's not

0:37:25directing it you tried my internet

0:37:27channel and from the mind

0:37:29yes and he moves people booed it was

0:37:31good yeah it was booed when i was there

0:37:33everyone goes OH really you know like

0:37:36and and I'm surprised because this was

0:37:37not like a Peter where that I feel like

0:37:39there's there's a lot of bed often

0:37:40happening but man we all my friends and

0:37:43our kind of looked at each other like

0:37:44holding out we didn't realize that you

0:37:46know i mean we know that he's using his

0:37:48reputation and credibility has gone

0:37:50downhill but that was pretty brutal

0:37:52that's too bad i mean he's a he's a guy

0:37:53who's right for a comeback if he gets

0:37:55there although if you see the online

0:37:57there's a parody so that movies about

0:37:58like you know a bunch of people get shot

0:38:00like stuck in an elevator in a tall

0:38:01building and there's like a demon or

0:38:03something in there with them I don't

0:38:04know Devil's you be heated a parody of

0:38:06it

0:38:07um

0:38:08with people trapped on including himself

0:38:10in it of people trapped on an escalator

0:38:12which is actually pretty funny so

0:38:15there's like a two minute trailer of

0:38:17this movie about these three people get

0:38:18stuck on an escalator

0:38:20ya know canvas career be saved I I think

0:38:23he's got the talent so it's gonna give

0:38:25him five to ten years to sort of you

0:38:26know cool off fine go find himself and I

0:38:29think I think you'll see him come back

0:38:31with something that that will everybody

0:38:33will go

0:38:33hey remember I'm not java on that you

0:38:35bet you thought he was like dad or

0:38:37something out in this movie is good that

0:38:40that's that's the hope is us

0:38:42occasionally talk about I think he took

0:38:43it as a personal affront that

0:38:44unbreakable wasn't a hit but he noted

0:38:47talking occasionally about about doing a

0:38:49sequel which I would love because I love

0:38:50the first movie

0:38:51yea though I heard last I heard was that

0:38:53one of the ideas for this Knight

0:38:55Chronicles series was going to be

0:38:57somebody doing you know taking the

0:38:59idomeni he had taken the idea he had for

0:39:02a sequel and turning it into a separate

0:39:05unconnected movie cells too well he also

0:39:07said he still wants to do the sequel but

0:39:09that is idea is one idea for a villain

0:39:12that you had briefly thought about

0:39:14including in the first movie was going

0:39:16to be broken off but he said so because

0:39:19i think i saw the same interview I think

0:39:20you're talking about and I think he said

0:39:22so the unbreakable sequel will be

0:39:24something else

0:39:25so that's you know that's promising

0:39:27maybe they'll be nice i mean like i

0:39:28think the big as you said I think he

0:39:30took it very personally my cousin who's

0:39:32a huge movie aficionado you know will

0:39:34always point the scene and Lady of the

0:39:35water where that basically involves the

0:39:38sort of brutal killing of a film critic

0:39:40and say there's something wrong yeah and

0:39:42you've got to put that into a movie like

0:39:44clearly you know you have some issues

0:39:46that you need to work out and I think

0:39:48he's probably not wrong about that and

0:39:50and I hope that he works through those

0:39:52issues because again i do think he's a

0:39:54really talented filmmaker yeah I yes

0:39:56let's hide that that seem that seam is

0:39:59mystifying and terrible and in otherwise

0:40:03wonder movie that i really like but you

0:40:05know well again it had its faults it's

0:40:07it's a it's interesting because it's the

0:40:11sort of parable fairytale kind of movie

0:40:12all that it was not marketed as such

0:40:14which was one of the big reasons I think

0:40:16it fly faster but Stardust was better

0:40:18start us was I like to start us but I

0:40:21don't know there's something about

0:40:22leaving the water that it may have just

0:40:23been you know the point at which i saw

0:40:25or you know what was feeling good that

0:40:28day

0:40:28yeah i don't know i mean i really i

0:40:30thought it was really good and speaking

0:40:31of movies with a great score it has a

0:40:33fantastic score by James Newton Howard

0:40:34who does i think almost all the nice

0:40:37John with stuff i think i think it does

0:40:38involve yeah i like the young guy like

0:40:40the ingredients for yeah that's a great

0:40:42scores well he did that he did that too

0:40:44i think that they're good they're good

0:40:46pair i was thinking that you're talking

0:40:48about about Shana I was thinking I

0:40:50wonder if I wonder if Robert Rodriguez

0:40:52is so entering that period where you

0:40:57know some of his material is just a

0:41:00little bit too self-indulgent and

0:41:02not-so-great he's in his comfort zone

0:41:06right because he's just making movies

0:41:07for himself down in the down in Austin

0:41:09like your eyes in his house

0:41:11I i mean i'll say I liked I liked both

0:41:13Rodriguez half of a grindhouse and I saw

0:41:17machete this past week and actually

0:41:18thought it was pretty darn good

0:41:20I mean it's set up to do a certain thing

0:41:22and I think it really did that pretty I

0:41:24am

0:41:24no I i actually yeah I liked planet

0:41:27terror

0:41:28I mean of the two parts by the terror

0:41:31was the tighter and less sprawling of

0:41:34the two and i did see machete and I and

0:41:36I liked it more or less likely said he

0:41:38was a little bit little bit long little

0:41:40bit episodic but yeah I didn't I enjoyed

0:41:43it a great deal and i i i i laughed

0:41:47throughout and and i've since i have

0:41:49i've read a lot of a lot of the

0:41:51criticism of in particular some of the

0:41:53political criticism of men and it's kind

0:41:55of like a little bit too much but it's

0:41:59not bad it could be probably half an

0:42:02hour shorter than it is but yeah my

0:42:04friend said that cut 10 minutes of

0:42:06people talking and replace it with you

0:42:08no more killing people can be there

0:42:10yeah that's right that's right for a

0:42:12movie that started as a joke

0:42:14yes oh yeah joke time it fulfilled on

0:42:17exactly the movie you wanted to see

0:42:20after that trailer which was pretty

0:42:22impressive is he and host or is he just

0:42:24a wrong guy

0:42:26no no easy he's wrong he's an expert on

0:42:28ladies who has been left for dead and

0:42:30write comebacks comes back with his

0:42:32mature for revenge

0:42:34right you know what else is something

0:42:35you know what else is getting made hobo

0:42:37with a shotgun

0:42:38yes I heard that with whatever our

0:42:40director our looking about a hundred and

0:42:42fifty-five years old but and he's not a

0:42:44day over a hundred and seventy-five I've

0:42:46seen hobos on fire by the Grail road

0:42:49gate 5 i've heard the cries of a shotgun

0:42:53freaking out that have been in

0:42:55identifying release too many times I'm

0:42:57to cash in

0:42:59I had a conversation with somebody about

0:43:01blade runner the other day saying I you

0:43:03know maybe for me it's never been one of

0:43:05those like you know a lot of people side

0:43:07is such a great guy like me I i think

0:43:10it's I've enjoyed the one version of it

0:43:13that I've seen which was the director's

0:43:15cut version so i guess that's the middle

0:43:17version the version that was not the

0:43:18theatrical release for the voiceover but

0:43:20the version that was not the final cut

0:43:21that was really later it's like let me

0:43:23tell you that's a movie that's been

0:43:24released

0:43:25way too many times now and and also I i

0:43:27really dislike ridley scott from

0:43:29meddling in i think you know I'm very

0:43:31strong believer that once the movie

0:43:33leaves the hands of the filmmaker and

0:43:34enters that the audience that basically

0:43:36you should shut the hell up as a

0:43:38filmmaker I like the idea of saying look

0:43:40at that we hit we all hated the

0:43:42voiceover let's try it without right but

0:43:44i've heard people who say that they

0:43:45really like the voice-over version and

0:43:47that to them is a pure version because

0:43:49it was sort of the original and they

0:43:50think that you know there's a there's an

0:43:52aspect of the noir hard-boiled more

0:43:55detective to it that makes sense

0:43:57I've seen the original and the final cut

0:44:00of Blade Runner and so one with

0:44:02narration and one without

0:44:04and what I'll tell you is while I

0:44:05appreciated things about them and some

0:44:08of the dialogue and and the art

0:44:09direction i find both of them sleep

0:44:13inducing and in fact both times i

0:44:15inflicted this moving on my wife she

0:44:17fell asleep

0:44:18both times that's a that's a perfect

0:44:21batting average of putting my wife to

0:44:23sleep and really driving me close to the

0:44:25edge of sleep to I if we were talking

0:44:27about movies that i think are overrated

0:44:28i have to say it I think blade runner's

0:44:30is as fascinating as it is or

0:44:33psychologically they had I I don't

0:44:36really like it based on a book that is

0:44:38that is very different from the movie

0:44:41yeah very clearly has a very different

0:44:43vision from philip k dick original novel

0:44:46and I think that's again the

0:44:47the reason that I mean I just don't I

0:44:50you know really Scott basically came out

0:44:52one point said I think you know

0:44:54decorative woman you know i won't go

0:44:56which way not going to sense come on

0:44:58you're not gonna sound this point no no

0:44:59I'm not that old he thinks the doctored

0:45:01was a replicant right yeah and it's like

0:45:03well I mean I you know I respect that as

0:45:05his own interpretation but i think that

0:45:07you know it's basically again once it's

0:45:09out of your hands like you know shut the

0:45:11hell up and let the audience like I feel

0:45:13because the movie leaves it kind of you

0:45:15know ambiguous and well I know the first

0:45:1815 years I knew about that movie I

0:45:21didn't even give that a serious bit of

0:45:23consideration as possibility so I i find

0:45:25it ambiguous yeah okay that's very did

0:45:28but I mean I think you know I think that

0:45:30it should be left up to the audience to

0:45:32make their own interpretation that's

0:45:33that's my opinion that you know the way

0:45:36that the filmmaker should not interfere

0:45:38with that right but you know what the

0:45:40score holds up pretty well

0:45:41see that's part of the reason that I I

0:45:43pass out when i try to watch it is that

0:45:45there's no Angeles yeah to put me just

0:45:48wants me to pull it's actually not it's

0:45:50it's actually just his chariots of fire

0:45:52theme slowed was gonna say that would be

0:45:54awesome be awesome you just remade that

0:45:56movie with the chariots of fire theme

0:45:58and said no now let's know it 17 species

0:46:01into the score listen to the score on

0:46:03its own

0:46:03let's go to score on sounds trip

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0:46:14are there any movies that are that are

0:46:17on the way or that you've seen recently

0:46:18that are coming to video that you would

0:46:20like to recommend to our massive

0:46:21incomparable movie audience who is

0:46:23already shut off their ipods and putting

0:46:25them into the sea because this podcast

0:46:27has gone on too long

0:46:28kickass kick-ass just add on well DVD i

0:46:31think it's big enough now for a lot of

0:46:33time people here is probably what a

0:46:34month six weeks but so you like kick-ass

0:46:36with the tablet with a foul mouth little

0:46:38girl

0:46:39yeah yeah and actually that was the

0:46:40thing where I i wasn't really familiar

0:46:43with the graphic novel on which it was

0:46:45based but um read the graphic novel

0:46:47before I saw the movie and so I kind of

0:46:49a new kind of what to expect going in

0:46:51and it it improved some things on the

0:46:55graphic novel and it and it makes some

0:46:58compromises but I think for the most

0:46:59part of the improvements outweigh the

0:47:02deficiencies and I thought it was it was

0:47:05really good and kind of looking forward

0:47:08to the sequel i will say that i think

0:47:09the first two-thirds of it is excellent

0:47:11and then I think it kind of last act it

0:47:13loses its way a little bit a bit a bit

0:47:16but it if it's such a great like parody

0:47:21not like parody satire on on the whole

0:47:24superhero genre for about the first

0:47:26two-thirds three-fourths of it and then

0:47:28the last act really turns it into wait

0:47:30now you're actually making a superhero

0:47:32movie and so you kind of become the

0:47:34thing that you're satirizing and I think

0:47:35that's where it lost me but i think that

0:47:36the first two-thirds of it is really

0:47:38really good

0:47:39ya know and the actors are great in it

0:47:42and you know Nick Cage hams it up

0:47:45beautifully and now it's um it's it's

0:47:49well worth seeing and I'm gonna watch it

0:47:52again on DVD pretty soon but too well

0:47:55worth it not worth it all right what

0:47:56about you Dan

0:47:57I'm sort of flipping through and seeing

0:47:59with what's coming out soon because I

0:48:00think there were a couple things coming

0:48:01out in a in the next month or two that i

0:48:04did want to see you want to see that

0:48:05movie about the owls that saved the

0:48:07magical fairyland that was totally one

0:48:09of them how did you know in a way where

0:48:12this razor one with chihuahuas

0:48:14I I don't share their personal foul

0:48:18remotely was with two was in it I think

0:48:21the two that I sort of see as I flipping

0:48:22through what's coming out is there's a

0:48:25movie coming out called

0:48:27hold up buried with ryan right yeah yeah

0:48:30which has a it's basically about a guy

0:48:33who gets you know sort of the divers

0:48:34like a military contractor and iran iraq

0:48:36i think it's like kidnapped and buried

0:48:38basically in a coffin and it's got this

0:48:40fascinating

0:48:41it's got some great trailers to you know

0:48:43very atmospheric there's an aspect of it

0:48:46that you know they've been really

0:48:47playing up in a lot of the posters and

0:48:49and trailers almost AAA saul bass sort

0:48:53of like ethic design ethic that reminds

0:48:55you of like the old Hitchcock openings

0:48:57and I think there is something sort of i

0:48:59like to be I love those movies that are

0:49:01based on those really really constrained

0:49:03sets i think of I think again of his

0:49:06cock movies like a rope and lifeboat

0:49:09where it's really confined into ace a a

0:49:12single location and it and i think

0:49:14especially for a movie that is this is

0:49:16clearly a little really claustrophobic

0:49:19I think that that that's a really

0:49:20interesting idea so I have no idea if

0:49:22it's good or not but it said it strikes

0:49:25me as something that's that's different

0:49:26and unique and I don't know if Reynolds

0:49:29has what it takes to pull it off but i

0:49:32think that's I would certainly be

0:49:34interested finding out and then the

0:49:36other thing i think i was really

0:49:37interested in seeing was actually the

0:49:39social network because i think i really

0:49:41like David Fincher I think he's a he's a

0:49:43very talented director and it strikes

0:49:46and I like the guy who they get slightly

0:49:48to jesse eisenberg who last year was in

0:49:50zombieland and did a fantastic job in

0:49:52that movie and if you ever want to see

0:49:55him in another really good roll movie

0:49:57called rodger dodger that he did many

0:49:58years ago with Campbell Scott is also

0:50:00really good and so those are converted

0:50:02the interesting intersection of that

0:50:05along with this story of I don't know is

0:50:07the story of facebook is really that

0:50:08interesting but the idea that you know

0:50:11it interested both venture and aaron

0:50:13sorkin who wrote the screenplay enough

0:50:15to make a movie out of it suggests to me

0:50:16that there is there something there

0:50:18news broke this week or or maybe last

0:50:28week as you're listening to this dear

0:50:30listener for that a deal has been cut

0:50:33between Stephen King yes soul and Brian

0:50:38Grazer and Ron Howard and they are going

0:50:40to make the dark tower not as a movie

0:50:43and not as a TV series but as a movie

0:50:46and a TV series in another movie and

0:50:49another season of a TV series and

0:50:51another movie this is this is the most

0:50:54ambitious thing I've heard since the

0:50:55week before when they announced that

0:50:57they were going to turn Sandman into a

0:50:58TV show and then we'll save that for

0:51:01another podcast yeah we'll save that for

0:51:03another podcast but still i love the

0:51:05dark tower and and I you know if it's

0:51:09going to be done then I agree that it

0:51:11needs to be done in a suitably sprawling

0:51:13epic fashion and honestly I could spend

0:51:15an entire podcast talking about the dark

0:51:16tower but not this but not this one but

0:51:19you know a separate separate the road I

0:51:22I just in some ways even with the you

0:51:24know people like Ron Howard you know

0:51:26names like that behind it

0:51:28part of me wonders if this will ever get

0:51:29done just because it's so ambitious

0:51:32yeah and and there's a lot of talk about

0:51:34it and and previously in fact the the

0:51:36rights were held by JJ Abrams and garlic

0:51:41you say yeah and so they couldn't figure

0:51:43out how to get a handle on it and after

0:51:45several years and so you know i think

0:51:48Howard's you know Ron Howard is a you

0:51:51know has made some good movies in the

0:51:52past but he's also you know turned out a

0:51:53lot of really really bland studio

0:51:56pictures in recent years and so it's

0:51:58it's a weird pairing from that regard to

0:52:01see him involved in that and akiva

0:52:03goldsman who is the writer has quite a

0:52:07spotty resume in space

0:52:11I believe those who wrote the Batman and

0:52:14Robin Thicke get lost in space Batman

0:52:16and Robin but also beautiful mind a

0:52:19beautiful mind and actually is already

0:52:21gun parts of French yeah actually

0:52:23brought some so up and down up and down

0:52:26yeah but interesting I I think it's a

0:52:28great idea and the idea that they would

0:52:29cast they were

0:52:31cast the people and they would be in the

0:52:33movies and TV shows and they would shoot

0:52:35it I presumably in advance my guess is

0:52:37to the TV series would be one of these

0:52:3813-episode jobs and not like a full

0:52:41sprawling 22-episode kind of thing and

0:52:43that they would shoot in an extended

0:52:45period of time they would shoot a movie

0:52:47and some episodes and then another film

0:52:49with the same crew and cast which is I

0:52:52think never been done so and yeah any

0:52:55obviously that would be a lot for an

0:52:56actor to to commit to so I find it in

0:52:58i'm gonna find it really interesting to

0:53:00see what they get for that i read an

0:53:01interview with Stephen King today asking

0:53:03him about it and asking him one of the

0:53:06questions they asked him was well how do

0:53:07you feel about this on you know NBC as

0:53:10opposed to something like HBO because

0:53:11this is you know the dark tower is a

0:53:13pretty grim at times violent and brutal

0:53:17a piece of work and you know can you do

0:53:21that justice on on broadcast television

0:53:23as opposed to on you know what something

0:53:24like HBO and he said well you know every

0:53:27time I i feel like i've worked on in an

0:53:29environment like that which is

0:53:30constrained me a little bit really

0:53:32challenges me to find a creative

0:53:33solution and so I think he seemed sort

0:53:36of intrigued in the challenges that that

0:53:38would raise me i'm on a little more

0:53:40skeptical maybe of how that's going to

0:53:43pan out but I i think it will it will

0:53:45certainly be interesting to see all

0:53:47right I predict we'll all be mummies by

0:53:49the time comes yeah that's that's right

0:53:52but the good news ben is that mummy

0:53:55vision will launch by then and we'll be

0:53:57able to see it in our tombs in our

0:53:59sarcophagi well you know that you have

0:54:01to put on the 3d wrap around your head

0:54:03see it in full 3d in my vision

0:54:06alright well I think that we've done

0:54:08enough damage for one day until the next

0:54:10installment of the uncomfortable podcast

0:54:12i want to thank my guess

0:54:14dan born thank you you're welcome that

0:54:18wait that doesn't make any sense and ben

0:54:20boychuk thanks for having me thank you

0:54:22very much

0:54:23this is jason smell thanks for listening

0:54:25to the incomparable see you next time

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