The Incomparable

00:00:02 ◼   ► the incomparable number 296 April 2016 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► uncomfortable on your host Jason Steele [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► we're here to talk as everybody has [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► demanded about Batman and that's right [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► that's why we're going to be talking [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► about that man [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► the animated series a bad man that [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► people want to watch doing that's all [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► because they do join me to talk about a [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► classic perhaps the definitive Batman [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► will see what people have to say about [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► we've got a fantastic panel here David [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► jail or is here [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► hello hello you use the adjective i was [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► going to use definitive then thank you i [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► have the playwright approves my [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► adjective I'd did more and also joins us [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► hide and i am the night [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► I mean hi hey let's go get some in your [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► throat there i think i do I sorry i got [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► some tea hero but Shannon sudderth also [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► joins us hello Lefty easy joining us for [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► the very first time but a familiar name [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► if you read the old TV website which is [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► essentially what spawned being [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► comfortable but it's his first and [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► comfortable podcast you weighed almost [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► 300 episodes but you finally did its [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► Nathan alderman I Nathan howdy [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► and finally the cut one of the Cardinals [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► of the Church of Batman Tony sindelar [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► hello nerds home so dark so menacing so [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► threatening that is the voice of a great [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► detective the org chart in the Church of [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► Batman is complicated [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► it's very shadowy not all there's a lot [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► of dash lines not a lot of straight [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► lines [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► no I would imagine it's always Ashline [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► 'he's and the collar shadows kind of [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► clouds and what's the question marks at [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► the very least I'm a gray eminence maybe [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► not a dark eminence you ingrate and [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► never know we can't working Batman yes [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► that's true [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► does every sermon in the Church of [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► Batman have to be delivered in like a [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► deep husky girl that 10 your throat [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► he's always watching you Batman mom he [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► knows if you've been naughty or nice [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► spoiler it's always naughty Tony tell us [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► why we chose to watch batman the [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► animated series and you give us a list [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► of episodes to watch how you know there [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► was a lot of talk about [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► Batman vs Superman uh a lot of people [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► ask me what are my feelings on Batman vs [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► Superman that is not a question I felt [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► qualified to answer because i have not [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► seen Batman or Superman me I'll see it [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► someday but i am not in any rush like if [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► it finds me i'm waiting for it i'm [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► waiting for batman superman that damn [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► well I you Tony Allen tired of that man [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► it has remained neutral on Batman vs [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► Superman up to have not made a statement [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► either way [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► yeah it right there like either agnostic [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► is there a schism here is there like [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► that man is different things to [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► different people and there are some [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► people who you know Batman or Superman [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► is the Batman they need i am from the [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► the tradition that sees batman the [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► animated series as the eyes [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► batman batman the animated series uh you [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► know if this error in the early nineties [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► i was a a you know medium-sized child [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► not quite a teenager yet and i would [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► come home and I would watch this every [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► day and it was basically the best part [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► about my childhood so it's gonna be [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► really great when other people feel like [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► Lester about it looking at you Jason i [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► will explain it so so this series began [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► to air why you were your mediums its [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► child I was uh I think I was probably I [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► was 11 or 12 when I was watching it so [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► this was this actually premiered when i [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► started grad school [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► I'm I left College went to grad school I [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► was not watching television at this [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► point very much because i was doing lots [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► of other stuff and I completely missed [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► it completely missed it so for this you [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► you assigned all of us some episodes to [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► watch these are the only episodes of the [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► series that I've ever seen but I watched [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► all of them so i picked 10 episodes i [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► can talk a little bit about why I tried [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► to pick those but it is hard this is [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► you know there are many episodes for the [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► ship the show and I tried to pick 10 and [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► some several of those 10 are two [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► partners [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► yes I because batman the animated series [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► has some great two partners but that [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► limits kind of the number of like little [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► stories you get to fit in 10 but you [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► know I thought ten was like a very nice [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► package and some of those were like [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► things that are my favorite episodes and [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► some of those were episodes i thought [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► might appeal to Jason who was seeing for [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► the first time and some of them were the [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► ones that I thought were like the best [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► episodes [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► the most important representatives see [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► let's check out everybody else first [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► about their experience we now know that [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► i didn't watch it and tony was a [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► medium-sized child who watched it was [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► the best thing about his childhood so I [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► let's see how everybody else feels where [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► what was your exposure to Batman the [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► Animated Series dan I like Tony's house [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► a little bit old and holding but not by [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► much i remember watching it in junior [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► high school [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► i specially I have a very distinct [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► memory there is one of those days when [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► we were in school and there's like a [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► rumor going around i don't know what [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► spawned it but as as happens in schools [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► account today today is going to be the [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► end the end of the world today at like [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► like four o'clock or something like that [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► you know one of those doomsday cult type [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► predictions that 11 and 12 year old so [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► you really like and I remember applying [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► I hope not because Batman is on at five [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► so i started watching very like Tony I [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► would come home and i would i would [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► watch it in the in the afternoon and for [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► me I think the most exciting thing about [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► this not that i was in an enormous [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► Batman fan going in but was there was [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► something about they show that was [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► clearly set apart from the other [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► cartoons that i was watching at the time [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► yeah i enjoyed liked your Animaniacs and [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► Tiny Toons your things they're a little [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► more comedic but the fact that this [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► wasn't this was a cartoon that was first [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► of all not played for laughs at all [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► pretty much I mean there's there's some [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► comedy here and there but most of the [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► episodes tend to veer a little bit more [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► towards the serious side if a lot darker [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► than a lot of the the cartoons i was [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► watching which appealed to me as someone [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► who was you know preteen right there and [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► I think I what I like the most about it [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► was that especially as the show went on [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► you do have these see realized stories [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► often broken into a couple parts and for [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► me there is no greater thrill than like [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► you know attorney on it like previously [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► on Batman look at that was not a thing [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► that you saw in cartoons like for the [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► most part [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► occasionally you get some like Japanese [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► import like redub Johnnie Mae and that [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► would have sort of an ongoing story but [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► what this was one of the first American [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► cartoons that I remember watching as a [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► kid that actually continued from episode [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► to episode and as someone who loves [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► cereal storytelling that really appealed [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► to me and not just in the direct you [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► know you [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► have a lot to partners but as the series [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► went on we added new characters existing [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► characters got developed you know [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► villains would recur and and it felt [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► like there was change happening here [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► which is a little silly to say in a [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► comic book series in some ways because [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► like you know the big thing I think he [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► was like that man kind of never really [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► changes right like that's that's kind of [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► his his stick but the especially as I [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► got back and revisit the voice acting [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► you know so many of these characters to [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► me have become I think I i use the word [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► with you earlier Jason definitive in my [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► head Kevin Conroy is as entertaining to [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► Erica Andy and Batman especially is like [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► the Batman that I remember mark hamill's [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► Joker is of course the sort of to be the [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► definitive Joker and as those characters [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► have gone if they've betrayed them in a [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► number of forms including some of the [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► video games later on and and this the [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► designs of the characters even so I i [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► think that for me this really set my [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► expectations of who Batman wasn't this [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► comes a couple years after the first and [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► and second i think michael keaton movies [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► but those felt those were kinda too old [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► or too young [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► I I was too young i felt in some ways [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► for those are at least they were a [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► little darker than I was prepared for [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► that age so this really i think defined [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► you know what Batman was to me I'd seem [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► like the Adam West series earlier on I [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► think I had a pair of Batman pajamas [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► they had like a velcro tape that was [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► pretty sweet but yeah this to me is a [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► kevin conroy i will always remain my [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► Batman and the show is still fantastic [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► right David what was your experience [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► with batman the animated series i had [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► seen several you know I grown up with [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► several iterations of Batman and the [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► Adam West one was on all the certainly [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► was usually both yes so you know that [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► was that was my main thing i saw the [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► Filmation cartoon versions in the [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► seventies were okay [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► they were great they were better than [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► Superfriends and so you know when the [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► michael keaton the first one hit i was [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► really excited like okay we're gonna see [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► at a good Batman this is great and so [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► the animated series hit just about when [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► batman returns came out which explains [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► it you how Catwoman's relationship in [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► the in the cartoon series [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► developed its it's like spun off of that [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► and so yeah I was ready for it when it [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► premiered it premiered on fox on sunday [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► night at seven with with the first [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► episode with man-bat and I was sitting [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► there with a couple of my friends from [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► high school who were just starting [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► graduate school and I was like I I don't [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► care what else we do tonight we are [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► going to watch batman right now and they [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► they said that they were hooked and then [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► when the actual series started my mother [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► got hooked just walking through and [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► seeing it going hey that's actually good [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► because I mean I I'd grown up again on [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► the shadow and zoro and you know all the [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► things that influence Batman and this [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► really harkens back to that style both [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► visually a little bit but just in terms [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► of storytelling but with more maturity [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► it's it's much better written than most [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► of the old influences on it so yeah I i [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► made what time to watch it even though I [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► was in my twenties by that point and [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► every iteration of the show that came [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► out after that you know the new Batman [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► adventures the Batman and Robin [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► adventures and and then Superman I'm not [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► even a big Superman fan i watched their [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► version of superman that went along with [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► this and then of course the Justice [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► League series is and all the animated [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► films that have come since then and and [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► yeah that's that's why i say this is [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► definitive I i'm really not all that [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► interest I I like this better than the [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► Christopher Nolan films even the ones [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► that i like you know this is Batman to [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► me because this is a plausible [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► continuing life of a superhero the [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► big-budget movies are big explodey [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► things I mean what we get one Joker [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► story and then he dies until they [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► rebooted and we get one Joker story and [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► he dies it's like no no this is how this [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► works this is a comic book [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► Nathan what's your idea what's your [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► relationship with the animated series [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► III I get the sense that you liked it a [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► lot [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► oh ok [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► actually I remember watching it the day [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► it premiered which is actually on a [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► Saturday before the man bad episode on [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► the sunday they shared the very first [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► episode on a saturday morning i remember [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► sitting down with my brother I'd read [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► about it i read about it a few years [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► before it came out in some promotional [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► magazine that Warner Brothers sent out [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► that somehow wound it's found its way [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► into my middle school journalism [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► classroom but i still remember my [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► brother and I parked on the couch we've [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► got a tape in the VCR to record it [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► the anticipation and then seeing this [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► amazing show unfold with these opening [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► credits that have no text no titles no [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► words just music and images I watched my [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► brother and I watched that first episode [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► i think four times that weekend alone [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► just rewatching because we had never [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► seen anything like this in animation we [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► both been reading Batman comics for a [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► few years you know I like recordings of [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► the shadow I was about 13 years old at [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► that point and I love like old [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► recordings the shadow with Orson Welles [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► and and I knew about Frank Miller even [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► though I haven't really read his work so [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► yeah it is i think what makes it great [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► is that it's a synthesis of every good [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► aspect of Batman that had come before [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► the series throughout every iteration of [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► the character you've got like the bright [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► primary colors of the very first comics [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► you've got some of the the fun Silver [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► Age goofiness and like that a little bit [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► of the camp from the Batman 66 series [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► like in the Riddler's costume design [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► you've got the darkness of the movies [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► you've got a little Frank Miller in the [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► in the squareness of the the character [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► designs all these they had all this [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► great stuff to pick and choose from and [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► then when they didn't have great stuff [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► to pick and choose from like with mr. [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► freeze [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► they created stuff that went on to [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► become you know as good as any of the [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► stuff that they picked and chose from it [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► it's I mean when you think about it this [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► is the first animated series that in a [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► way that is still totally appropriate [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► for kids shows a married couple sharing [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► a bed shows an abusive relationship [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► which is genuinely terrifying and still [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► manages to make it all k kid friendly [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► and in a way that kids can understand [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► and relate to its it is my favorite [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► animated series it's one of my favorite [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► TV series so I'm [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► the you might notice i'm slightly [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► excited to be here and talk about it [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► it's good good uh Shannon what about you [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► so i would be part of the group that [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► started watching this in grad school I [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► grew up on the Batman reruns from the [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► old Adam West Show and I was a total [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► Batgirl phonetic is sort of was my [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► gateway into it when I was very young [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► and gettin older was excited for the the [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► first batman movie at this point I was [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► in grad school I'd found my tribe and I [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► was in a science-fiction club and this [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► is one of the things that everybody was [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► interested in and talked about loved [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► loved the tim burton movies really [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► enjoyed that they elevated the comic [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► books to this grand big-scale much [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► better than any of the TV shows might [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► have and then this animated series is [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► coming out and I watched anime i watched [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► cartoons still I like various cartoons [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► and I if I remember correctly there was [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► a viewing party with are some of the [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► people that are science fiction club [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► that you everybody got together and [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► somebody's apartment just to watch the [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► first episodes and we were like and this [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► is smart [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► that was one of the things that we [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► thought not just not not just good not [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► just artistic this cohesive universe [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► that they created with the style of the [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► the animation of the world creating this [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► sort of forties fifties vibe and yet all [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► of the computers appliances everything [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► completely modern all of this mix [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► together just and the use of the [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► characters that people have mentioned [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► creating or reinventing a classic Batman [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► villains creating new interesting [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► possibilities and always with this [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► balanced sense it's like very few of [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► these characters are 100-percent evil so [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► many of the origins they create come [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► from somebody who you know mr. freeze [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► that will be talking about in a few [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► minutes when we get to the actual [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► episodes it that the animated series [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► take is this was just a guy trying to [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► save his wife and this evil corporate do [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► good prevents it and apparently kills [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► the wife and turns him into the [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► supervillain that he became on the [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► emotional beats were there in a way that [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► I had not seen with um with what any [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► other animated cartoon series certainly [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► you know with Frank Miller's Dark Knight [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► other comics were getting into deeper [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► more emotional storytelling about TV [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► haven't caught up yet [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► and then of course like the others I I [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► kept watching the first team universe [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► all hail of Superman justice leave don't [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► be in Titans I've been paying attention [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► and continuing to watch just like a lot [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► of you guys and I love rewatching the [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► show I've loved introducing it to my [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► teenager when he was younger he got into [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► it with 19 10 years old somewhere in [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► there that all of a sudden he wanted to [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► start watching it more like yeah here [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► here's the first set of dvds go for it [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► so we've always been really appreciative [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► of just how well they captured a vision [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► of the Batman that took bits for all the [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► best bits from all of these different [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► sources and made it into something [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► definitive no other word for it and and [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► tying into something both of you sort of [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► hit on the real thing that comes out in [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► this there's a difference between mature [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► and adult there is a maturing into the [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► characters and the writing in this show [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► that none of the movies even approach as [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► adults in serious and violent yo ho look [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► at us we're deep [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► no yeah your bombastic this has real [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► emotional maturity [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► yeah and i think that there's also [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► stresses the character of Batman you [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► know way I think part of what makes a [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► definitive for me is that the Batman [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► here is an interesting multi-dimensional [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► character who is not I don't know I feel [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► like today's Batman is so did yall angst [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► all the time right he says she's got [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► anyone [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► one key yeah yeah he's jingoistic and so [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► many of the movies right where it's like [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► I'm good and like I the improve our [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► playoff the brutality of it which it I [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► get you know as sort of a dimension that [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► you can explore Batman but you're right [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► that's one note whereas here I I mean [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► for me there is no better summation of [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► the Batman from this and therefore the [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► Batman that i consider sort of the [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► official Batman then the you know and [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► Nathan mentioned the title sequence [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► itself there's no dialogue [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► there's no words there's no titles and [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► yet the story of the title sequences [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► itself self-contained I mean it's a [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► little pilot for it right [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► exactly it's sarah and but like I love [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► that he tell you like here's a guy he [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► shows up he beats the thugs but he [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► doesn't like he doesn't like beat them [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► right like he defeats them but without [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► like brutalizing them leaves them tied [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► up for the police that's his job and [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► then he goes off and he stands so elated [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► by lightning but like there's something [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► about it to me that encapsulate the [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► whole idea of this Batman he's a [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► vigilante yes but he's a detective and a [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► crime solver and there's no there's just [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► so much more to him as a character here [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► than I think in in pretty much any of [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► the other on-screen representations that [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► we see the detective element is is one [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► of the things I really like about this [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► version of batman because I mean that's [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► the you know Batman is theoretically the [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► world's greatest detective but there's a [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► lot of iterations of Batman where he is [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► he does not do any detecting work he's [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► the world's greatest punter of ninjas [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► basically I don't I further i prefer the [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► world's greatest detective and and he [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► does a lot more and some of that I think [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► may be a factor of like this was a kids [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► show that was going to play on weekday [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► afternoons it so it can't be brutal [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► violence and so there's more like [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► solving puzzles and especially even like [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► the first set of episodes it's kind of [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► like more wackier villains and you know [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► like that this careful shows up multiple [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► times to make people like scared of [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► things but like I like that he is he is [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► he has an actual detective he does a lot [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► across the episodes with like solving [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► mysteries and figuring out riddles and [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► and solving puzzles [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► he does a lot with that disguises and he [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► has [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► it's more like personas that he takes on [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► him and you know that happens in some [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► versions of the comics but there's a lot [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► of the modern version of Batman that [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► kind of like they they they kind of [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► dropped that or the detective angle is [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► not so much the Batman is detective so [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► much as like he's got all these gadgets [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► right you know so I mean a recent Batman [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► comic i was reading he has like a thing [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► in his club so that he can literally [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► like touch something and his glove like [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► analyzes the DNA and stuff in the [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► computer tells them where to go next and [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► it's like I mean technically he's doing [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► detective work there but it's really [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► just he has the fancy as nice as [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► computer that money can buy do the [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► detective work for him yet in this vs [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► Batman is a detective rich in strategic [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► and many of them like he's shown as sort [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► of a tactician and strategist almost [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► more like a soldier in many of the [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► movies and TV shows you know he's got [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► like smoothie smart about how he engages [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► and fights but we never see him being [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► particularly clever you know or or smart [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► in the sense of like I'm going to [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► unravel all these things I agree totally [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► Tony that that's that is played up here [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► so much more [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► not only you know several the characters [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► mentioned him as a detective including [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► mr. freeze and of course Rachel will [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► always calls him detective which is a [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► detail I like that a lot [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► yeah and I think that that to me is I [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► agree totally like this is the Batman I [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► want to see because it's the Batman who [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► is not solely reliant on his gadgets or [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► his ability to beat the crap out of [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► other people right like he uses his [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► brains and and that's that sets him [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► apart in some ways for especially if you [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► put them up against someone like [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► Superman who is never considered I feel [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► like to be particularly smart hero right [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► you know and so if you can't beat [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► Superman by beating him you know you [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► beaten by outsmarting him and there's [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► the the famous Justice League bit where [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► you know all of the other members of [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► Justice League you're stuck somewhere [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► they have to like go undercover and [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► they're like worried about developing [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► their secret identities and Batman's [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► just like you know I remember you are [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► you are you yeah let's move on I've got [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► a file on all of you like come on people [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► and and while I would watch the hell out [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► of the show called ninja puncher this is [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► actually a an aspirational hero to his [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► heroic he's just good and he's held up [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► as an example by characters in the show [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► even which you again you can't say about [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► the movies [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► yep agreed and he's also he's fallible [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► and and mortal which is interesting in [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► the comics you know grant morrison kind [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► of started the trend of you know the bat [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► God he's he's never wrong [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► he's always got a contingency for [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► everything in this series we've got a [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► Batman who catches a cold and sneezing [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► and sniffling I met issues we've got one [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► where you know in arguably the most [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► Batman thing ever the episode opens with [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► him brooding on a stone thrown in his [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► cave not you know because he has doubts [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► that what he's doing is making a [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► difference and i love that i think that [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► adds a a wonderful nuanced and humanity [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► to the character that you don't see you [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► in the comics anymore really and in a [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► lot definitely a lot of these [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► adaptations so if somebody who I was in [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► college when the Michael Keaton Batman [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► came out i was struck that obviously the [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► theme music here is the danny elfman [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► Batman theme which I love I loved that [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► whole score album from the the the tim [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► burton original batman with Michael [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► Keaton and I feel like that that movie [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► because it lifted so much from so many [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► different areas that had like old cars [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► and you know the design of the Batmobile [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► that it it in some ways I I don't know [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► the backstory here but it struck me that [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► maybe it gave this series the freedom to [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► have some interesting art direction and [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► have this be this kind of retro feeling [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► it is the show in terms of style it [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► isn't shiny and new and modern it's very [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► kind of throwback and in that in that [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► period I mean that was what the temper [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► and Batman was to it was it was not [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► something that looked modern it looked [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► like some kind of indeterminate time [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► where there was modern things but there [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► was always also like old cars and old [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► technology and a really fun combination [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► of that so I was struck by that to that [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► the the the tim burton Batman I feel [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► like maybe I gave them the freedom to do [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► something that wasn't maybe something [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► they could have done on their own [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► without that taking the lead and that [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► was one thing that Gotham is actually [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► the one thing that Gotham has done [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► really well as a TV show is follow in [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► that footsteps of creating like the [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► there are computers but everything is [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► kind of old and seems like it's from [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► some weird like Hades fifties mashup [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► time period like I mean that [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► it's got a bat computer in this right [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► but like there's also airships yet up so [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► yeah I agree [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► it feels fantastic goal which is nice i [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► would say the Batman character to you [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► know if you look at keeton in the [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► nineteen eighty-nine Batman it's not [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► that far off from the animated series [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► Batman in some ways he's he's not you [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► know it's not it's not quite the same [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► but you can see how that was kind of an [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► antecedent because you know obviously [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► this as a franchise like what we want to [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► stay sort of on brand with the franchise [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► before totally spun out of control with [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► the the later the later movies so i [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► could see i could sort of see that so [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► anyway I was struck by that is somebody [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► who's seen that Bert tim burton's batman [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► movie 20 x 30 x to have some little [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► connection to do that here [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► I mean it was key to batman returns so [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► they wanted to keep a certain [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► consistency there and that's you know [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► that's why the element is there that's [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► why the the design of the car is not [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► exact but it's close [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► I think something else that maybe comes [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► from the michael keaton movies maybe [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► other sources that I really like about [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► the animated series is how Bruce Wayne [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► is also if there were interesting [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► capable kind of guy he's not the Adam [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► West who's just bless his heart [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► different densities is just kind of [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► there and bubbling until he puts on the [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► Cape but you know the the animated [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► series makes Bruce Wayne just as much of [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► a character in his house his Batman [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► percent he's not terribly interesting [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► human too often Bruce Wayne is as they [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► say as a robert wall says in the 99th [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► batman bruce vain [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► he's just this playboy nobody nobody [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► likes and in Denver's made the series i [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► was struck by that Bruce Wayne sharp [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► he's a smart businessman operative he's [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► negotiating deals he's got yeah he's [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► like an actual character nerds like to [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► argue about like which which version is [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► is real like this is Batman Batman or [TS]

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00:25:49 ◼   ► which one is the like the persona verse [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► which one is really him and batman the [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► animated series does a pretty good job [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► at making them both be people which [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► which which makes that nerd argument you [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► know either more boring or less internal [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► totally changed it outright [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► I just the same yeah he's doing is using [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► his brain power is Batman he's using his [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► brain power is Bruce Wayne same guy he's [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► a smart cutter other versions of Batman [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► Bruce Wayne is just you know other right [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► right well it's you when you go back to [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► the the influences you've got the [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► scarlet pimpernel and sorrow where their [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► alter egos are usually just a fop right [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► it's like or the danger I can't bear the [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► danger and then you have the shadow [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► where sometimes depending on who who was [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► writing and who's performing it [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► sometimes lot Cranston is fully capable [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► sometimes he's a fob but mostly he's [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► pretty capable and this Bruce Wayne [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► follows and in that shadow Lamont [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► Cranston tradition but which again I [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► love and to the point we also get [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► episodes that center around Bruce Wayne [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► where Batman right is more peripheral [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► which is interesting we don't see that [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► in a lot of places and full credit once [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► again to kevin conroy who does a great [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► job with 2 totally like distinct voice [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► like you can always tell when is Bruce [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► Wayne and you can always tell his batman [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► and even sometimes when he looks like [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► Bruce Wayne but he's like talking Alfred [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► or something you say hi [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► yeah love it love it so good he is so [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► good at conveying those two separate [TS]

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00:28:45 ◼   ► want to say a little bit about why you [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► pick the episode to pick for us to watch [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► or rewatch sure to do so we kind of hop [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► through each one and chat about the [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► let's do it [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► so the first one I picked I believe it [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► gets tricky in terms of when you whether [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► you look at like production numbers or [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► airing order but I've got it labeled as [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► episode 14 hard advice you'll notice [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► that we did we we skipped a bunch right [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► we didn't didn't make you watch the [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► first one or the second one anything [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► like that because batman the animated [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► series get something right that a movie [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► seemed to be struggling with many [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► decades later in that there is no origin [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► story episode of batman the animated [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► series we get little bits and flavors of [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► his origin and that fits into things [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► especially with there are characters [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► that persuade interacts with the new him [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► before he was Batman and there's some [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► some backstory episodes and things like [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► that but there is no origin episode so I [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► just I just jumped many episodes in [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► sohar device is the the introduction of [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► mr. freeze [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► Mr Freeze is one of my favorite Batman [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► villains and this was kind of a [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► reinvention of the Mr Freeze character [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► he was always kind of a wacky kind of [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► mischievous kind of character before and [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► this is like the dark tragic reimagining [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► of him where his he's a cryogenic [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► scientist and his his wife is killed by [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► capitalism home or in an incompetent / [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► are actually mile / be played by Mark [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► Hamill are who doesn't of writing voices [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► was notably the Joker I had trouble [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► noticing him in this episode because it [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► uses actual voice instead of the Joker [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► voice I was like why is that voice [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► sounds so familiar [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► so this is probably not the strongest [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► one but i did want i want to kind of a [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► range of [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► Batman villains to appear on the list [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► because there's a lot of I mean I the [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► bet the anime series versions of the [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► Batman villains in addition to being [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► like the best version of Batman in my in [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► my opinion it also has some of the best [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► versions of many of the classic villains [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► and reinventions last introductions of [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► villains I mean especially mr. freeze [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► kind of tragic in that this is like this [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► great reinvention of him and then like [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► five years later we get the arnold [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► schwarzenegger crowd which is ideal [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► based on this they just you know [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► yeah they left a message on that like [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► that you know he's out his noodle [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► scientists and kapalit i believe ya but [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► ya su this is actually it i think [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► unfairly if not strong episode it is [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► really representative of what the [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► animated series winds up doing in my [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► opinion because we as we've got this [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► reimagining of the villain with some [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► depth and some layers to what the [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► original scientist was trying to do and [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► what happens you know when his wife dies [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► and you know the chemicals condemn him [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► to living in the sub-zero environment so [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► he's going after revenge on the one [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► person not the world uh and Batman even [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► though he stops mr. freeze [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► he also arranged for him to get that [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► revenge because he gives the story of [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► what the capitalist did over to the [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► reporter [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► yeah that's a touch that is so often [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► there that little extra poke into [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► maturity as we said our people's [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► consciousness is making people think [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► that's consistent through so much of the [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► series and this is one that really shows [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► it and met that man makes a point of [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► saying it's not vengeance [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► it's justice Yeah right right yeah it's [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► it's not a matter of redeeming the [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► villain or making him you know all [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► friendly by the end but it's okay for [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► him to be a sympathetic villain for us [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► to to feel for him and to say alright [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► maybe you're making the wrong choice [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► this is not the way to go about this but [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► I get it I get why you're doing this and [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► michael ansara just sells every version [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► of this character both in the flashback [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► as as Victor fries and then in you know [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► progressively yeah [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► being you know full-on evil and then [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► dealing with Batman who you know he [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► doesn't really want Batman to get in the [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► way but you don't take him out if he has [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► to [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► and at the end it's just heartbreaking [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► when he's in his cell and you know and [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► and that this was again one of the one [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► of the first ones I saw that just sold [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► me on the show and and you get him [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► coming back in in lovely ways the the [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► later movie that they did Batman [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► sub-zero yeah wonderful wonderful yeah [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► hurry and so they evolved his story and [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► the story of his wife and and just you [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► know again where are you going to see [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► that in any version of Batman and also I [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► believe that my clients are based his [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► vocal performance in part on the poet [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► Robert Frost if you look online you can [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► find recording of frost reading his poem [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► fire and ice and you hear some say the [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► world will end in fire some a nice and [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► it's just like oh ok that clicks that's [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► i'm brian almost certain that's [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► intention which which is genius not [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► afraid to be able to easy by having a [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► villain named freeze go after a CEO name [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► Boyle yeah there's a lot of that yeah [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► yeah yeah well I believe they want a i [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► believe they want a Daytime Emmy [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► lighting [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► yes it for this episode 2 so note this [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► is one of many just on Tony's list that [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► are written by Paul Dini yes as one of [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► the best Batman writers going and good [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► enough that you know things like mr. [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► freezes origins that he reinvented or [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► even characters like Harley Quinn who [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► will meet in just a minute made their [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► way into the other Batman media even [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► into the comic book so this is harley [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► was like the first character to appear [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► in the animated series first and then [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► make our way into the comics and now the [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► summer we'll see even more of her a lot [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► literally and figuratively [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► yeah that's not quite so so Tony I [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► didn't like this one location [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► Jason yeah I'll be right there okay [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► yours Batman best episode VII but it's [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► good i didn't love the sudden love this [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► 1i maybe it was because it was the first [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► 1i watched I I like all of the other [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► ones better than this one mom thanks to [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► you were entitled to your opinion yeah I [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► I don't know I it just seemed this one I [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► was expecting everything we've set up to [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► now like a well this is you know this is [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► different it's a darker and more complex [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► storyline and all that and I thought wow [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► this is very it felt very saturday [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► morning TV to me it is this one did not [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► feel so complex if you felt really broad [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► abroad and kind of ridiculous and [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► although i appreciated aspects of the of [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► the writing and i really like Michael [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► and sorrows performance which I was able [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► to pick out as a Star Trek fan I [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► immediately knew that it was him which [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► was pretty cool so many great voice [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► actors in all of these episodes this was [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► my least favorite of them as you know [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► and that's fair i would say this is the [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► maybe the weakest Mr Freeze episode you [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► know it's again it's very early on it's [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► it's just sort of setting the template [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► right they're still finding their feet [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► origin stories [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► yeah I feel like part of it is you know [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► recognizing what the series is up to [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► this point and how it differed from a [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► lot of other series in some ways so i [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► mean i agree with all the things have [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► been said I i also do not love this [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► episode i think i appreciate what's good [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► about it but I think some of the other [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► ones I i prefer but i think it's it is [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► still do you know exemplary of kind of [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► where this Batman is going and shows off [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► so many of the good elements we talked [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► about like where Nathan mentioned his [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► mortality and the fact that he's got a [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► cold through this whole thing which is a [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► detail that I love ya [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► so yeah there there's a lot of good in [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► here and it may not be the best exemplar [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► of the whole series but yeah nice job [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► Tony that's the thing i love about this [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► show even when it's bad it's good even [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► in a terrible episode there will be [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► things you can pick out that are still [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► really strong and I didn't think I was [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► terrible but I was like what am i [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► getting serious i watch this one like Oh [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► what am i getting about myself I'm glad [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► you kept going then I watched episode 22 [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► Joker's favor and I said oh [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► yes much ice see what tony is doing here [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► so episode 22 chokers favor you had to [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► have a joker episode on the on the list [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► yes where is that man's greatest villain [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► a great performance by Mark Hamill and I [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► think this is probably my favorite one [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► of my favorite Joker episodes is also [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► the first this is the introduction of [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► harley quinn like this is where that [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► character came from i think not [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► everybody knows that the characters [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► starting position and contractors we [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► call this the first appearance because [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► she's not really introduced she's just [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► present and we don't learn until I [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► believe there's a later episode that [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► explains our origin but here she just is [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► present there as if she's always been [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► well and a lot of the episodes are kind [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► of like that right like tony mentioned [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► that there's no origins or if you have a [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► Batman but there's also no origin story [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► or initial meeting for the Joker right [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► the first episode The Joker appears in [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► which i think is way back episode two or [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► three but it's not like he already knows [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► who the Joker is right it's not like oh [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► this guy wandering around calling [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► himself the Joker looks like a clown [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► guess I should go figure out what his [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► deal is now he's already established as [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► you know the Batman and Joker are [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► already more than mortal enemies if you [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► with this fate i think that was by [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► design a lot of the other gowns get get [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► backstories but i think by design they [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► don't humanize the Joker and this [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► episode shows you why he's terrifying [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► yeah he is one of the scariest [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► characters ever in a children's cartoon [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► so for people who don't work if you know [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► can't recall this and shot-for-shot [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► detail like I can promise that this [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► episode is there's basically unfortunate [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► road rage incident between the Joker and [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► just a guy who lives in Gotham makeover [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► yep and then the Joker basically like [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► meet him on the side of the road in the [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► woods and says like I'm gonna come for [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► you in two years or and he takes his [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► driver's license and the guy moves and [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► changes his name and the Joker finds him [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► and demands that he show up at a certain [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► place to open a door so Harley Quinn can [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► wheel a bomb into basically you don't [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► look like a policeman's ball type [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► situation and and again an episode with [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► there's a lot of a lot of we have a lot [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► through the eyes of that character and [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► the Joker and then Batman is also [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► present [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► indeed there's not a lot of bad man but [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► he's he's there when he's needed i love [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► that the guy just curses out the Joker [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► right and they get super be like you [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► know without knowing it's the Joker and [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► then we get that simmer it just keeps [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► following them around and just like the [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► whole like the whole thing is [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► essentially like this I'm gonna come to [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► you and ask for a favor someday like you [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► know very much feel like right now yeah [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► but what I love about this episode is [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► also that in the in the last act as our [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► random guy decides you know I'm going to [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► sort of i've had enough of the Joker's [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► terrorizing me the Joker freaks out at [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► the end right and he's calling for [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► Batman to protect him which is one of [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► the best moments ever use like well this [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► guy is actually crazy [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► these guys are going to give me like and [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► it's just such a great turnabout moment [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► of the Joker realizing it and then to [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► show it like you know he threatened with [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► a bomb basically of course then the [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► bombings at being a dud [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► yep and Batman cracks up right like that [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► master good one yeah I mean it's just so [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► much of that is just delightful and so [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► well constructed as a joker story so [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► much more interesting than so many of [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► the Joker stories I feel like we've [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► gotten more modern where he's a [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► psychopath we need to show you how crazy [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► and like brutal and bloody he is right [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► like he's crazy and brutal in this [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► episode but he's not like he's not [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► reduced to just some sort of like [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► psychotic killer he's got weird [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► dimensions like that's a sympathetic but [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► like he's afraid at times to write which [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► is a dynamic we don't often see with [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► villains and i love that relationship [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► between him the the Batman and the Joker [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► here because it really feels it really [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► captures the Joker's madness has just [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► how random he can be like a volcano [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► stream rich faster on this poor guy and [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► not only does he not hurt or kill him [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► but he's like nope just you're gonna owe [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► me a favor I'm gonna show up and I don't [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► know what my favorite yet but oh I'll [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► see carrier right and makes his hobby [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► you know has a whole little diary [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► keeping track of this guy's moves as he [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► tries to get away [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► it just yeah and Mark Hamill just sells [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► oh my god my loss motivation so much [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► trillion bits the laugh-out-loud moments [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► for me in this episode is in that [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► opening scene on the freeway [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► I where you see you at one point there's [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► a moment when you realize the Joker is [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► driving the other car and I just started [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► to laugh it's like boy if there's [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► anybody to to get into you know get into [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► a problem on the freeway with it would [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► have to be the Joker right and it's just [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► he's driving somewhere who knows where [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► who knows why who cares to his station [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► wagon he's just driving his hat you guys [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► off i love that everything's great use [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► of great use of music to I can still [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► hear the Joker theme song in my duty [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► do-do-do-do order dinner yeah it's like [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► playful but kind of menacing about the [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► about the Joker's the Joker's demeanor i [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► would just say I think the Joker doesn't [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► have it together that's the impression I [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► get here as he's nuts right and he [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► doesn't have it together and you see [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► that in several episodes that we watched [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► he doesn't have together [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► I like that I like that more than and [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► also the Jack Nicholson's Joker in the [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► in Batman 99 is similarly just nuts and [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► is actually his it's actually his great [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► flaw it's not only that he's crazy and [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► and does these crazy things but it's [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► also he's crazy and that's going to be [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► his downfall and you could argue that [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► like the heath ledger performances as [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► the joker that that guy is much more [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► together and and then and and just like [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► it's like he's got a stick but he's [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► really just a a murderer who's got a [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► stick and I don't feel that way with [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► this joker this joker is you know he's [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► Looney he just wants to have it like the [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► Riddler right he just kinda wants to [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► play and that's good I like that I like [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► that I think that's a good a fun Joker [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► and also makes it more palatable but he [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► keeps coming back because of course he's [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► gonna keep coming back [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► I actually think that the fact that it's [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► for children and that they have to imply [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► things rather than showing them makes [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► the children even scarier I mean you [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► know it would be scary the Joker [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► outright killed Charlie but when he's [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► like oh I'm gonna keep track of you I'm [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► never gonna let you go you're gonna owe [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► me a favor your imagination starts [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► wondering you know what's what's he [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► gonna ask for [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► yeah it makes it more powerful because [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► it's left up to your imagination it's [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► that occurs I think throughout the [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► series and it's one of the things I love [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► about it that they they use they let [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► your imagination fill in the gaps and it [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► makes it even better than if they've [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► been able to show it outright war greed [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► everybody if you enjoyed this episode i [TS]

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00:43:55 ◼   ► they've already posted 9 episodes and [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► they're more on the way about a lot of [TS]

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00:44:00 ◼   ► talking to you let me also tell you [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► sophomore lit has been added to our [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► network it's a great podcast where [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► people discuss revisiting books that [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► they read in high school and college [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► it's a lot of fun [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► there's also our new podcast about the [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► musical Hamilton pod for him different [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► panels every week discussing one track [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► from the musical and if you haven't [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► listened to the incomparable game show [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► yet please give it a try a lot of the [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► people that you hear on our various [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► other podcast playing games every other [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► week huge amount of fun it's one of my [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► favorite things that we're doing and of [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► course there's a new season of total [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► party kill starting now as well and [TS]

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00:44:35 ◼   ► it's great you have to ask to be invited [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► to join but we will approve you as soon [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► as you ask go to facebook.com slash [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► groups / incomparable pod for the [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► incomparable Zeppelin hanger facebook [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► group [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► Tony you get your next to give us a [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► two-parter about kill her computer [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► yep so heart of steel parts one part two [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► on my list those are episodes 38-39 [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► these are this is a kind of terrifying [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► to partner where there's basically an [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► evil computer that is turning out [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► replicants of people dependence [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► duplicates are genetically distinct from [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► replicants i will tell you I probably [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► saw i saw this show as a twelve-year-old [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► was totally creeped out by it i don't [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► think i saw blade runner and problem [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► till probably like nine or ten years [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► later in college was like oh yeah that [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► was like you have either the guy who [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► creates a computer is is what William [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► Sanderson who is in his Sebastian and [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► Blade Runner you also may know him as [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► Larry from new heart but yeah that's the [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► reference sure sure Jason they're [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► actually it says it's a double reference [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► because he named Karl Rossum yeah [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► apec wrote Rossum's Universal robots [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► which was the first ever play that was [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► the first ever use the word robot so [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► it's really a triple reference random to [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► Wayne's license plate reads are you are [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► yeah the name of the place oh yeah yeah [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► i was going to add that uh actually the [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► aesthetic of this particular two-parter [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► when i started watching at this time and [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► you know older age I realized this it's [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► basically like there's a lot here that's [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► basically like a Hitchcock movie like [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► needs invasion of the Body Snatchers and [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► again this is an episode that feat that [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► features heavily and works heavily on [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► Bruce Wayne on Batman right because [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► they're all trying to be like oh let's [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► see if Bruce Wayne's involve stuff gets [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► stolen from him i have to also say my [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► favorite one of my favorite moments [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► involves Bruce Wayne you know the [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► security guards being like you should [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► stay in the Security office yeah wait [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► it's too dangerous and you all good i [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► have happened to install a secret [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► elevator in this corner of the security [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► of just in case I ever got like every [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► corner of that building as that all [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► elevators are load-bearing elevators [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► I think this might be the first time in [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► the series that anybody else figures out [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► that Bruce Wayne is Batman and what they [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► don't count on is that Bruce Wayne is as [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► formidable an opponent is bad right [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► exactly that's the cliffhanger at the [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► end of the first episode is yeah Bruce [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► Wayne is Batman i sent his computer [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► start he gets taken over by the back [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► computer which has been taken over by [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► hardac the supercomputer [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► super-intelligent AI computer created by [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► william Sanderson's a kind of how like [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► about Girardi is very how like very how [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► like yeah [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► visually I mean the whole series takes [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► the the max and dave fleischer superman [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► cartoons from the fifties a big visual [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► influence so ya q really comes out in [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► this which yeah this is it so fly sure [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► Superman throughout I thought but [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► special yeah that's through the whole [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► series yes but there's this one [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► especially the robots [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► I like hardened steel I thought it was I [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► thought it was fun i thought the idea of [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► a two-parter that you essentially get a [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► you get an hour-long TV show basically [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► by break by breaking it into the you got [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► killer robot duplicates and stuff and [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► maligned and let's not forget to mention [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► the first appearance in the series of [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► barbar Gordon I was going to say yes [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► played here by melissa gilbert yeah as a [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► 12 as a twelve-year-old boy such a crush [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► on Barbara hard to say [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► yeah yeah she's she was suspicious when [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► her father was replaced in acceleration [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► Rome I don't know why she's hurtin and [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► she's active and she has agency and she [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► like yeah well i mean granted my dad [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► came back in and like smacked my am far [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► better clue and i loved it i love the [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► detail with a teddy bear that's that's [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► checkups teddy bear [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► yeah it's it's introduced you know in [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► her person and I was worried that like [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► this would infantile eyes the character [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► but then she mentions that it's [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► something her dad brought along and [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► picks up the bear and blushes it not [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► only makes her a stronger character it [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► makes Gordon a sweeter and a deeper [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► character and Jim Gordon is great and [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► the steps in this whole series i love [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► this vision of Jim cord [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► yeah having watched outside of our [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► assigned reading I had to watch the back [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► row origin episodes will be reached [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► returns in the back row origin episodes [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► briefly so yeah the the consistency the [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► attention to detail that they maintain [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► is great and I noticed that this was one [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► of the rare episodes of the series [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► written by a woman which is probably one [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► of the reasons why Barbara Gordon is [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► portrayed so intelligently and so [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► competently which is awesome [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► this episode and kind of leaves me cold [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► which is weird because there's a ton of [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► great stuff about it the weird crab-like [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► motions the robots the whole elevator [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► sequence Barbara Gordon the the miyazaki [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► like designs but for some reason this [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► this was my least favorite of the ones [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► we watched yeah the weird to breathe [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► it's a robot who is also a briefcase [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► oh yeah that was pretty great I know [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► what Jason like Jason likes robots yeah [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► the season where Ernestine where where [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► you get the guys who are the the [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► duplicates who try to you know [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► assimilate Bruce Wayne and do the like [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► spider crawl thing with the rotating [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► head [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► yeah that is still sleepy though yeah [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► that was to my freaky as a [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► twelve-year-old oh man i just want to [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► see the episode about the Wayne [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► industries janitor who accidentally [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► discovers the secret elevator in the [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► security [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► yeah yeah my I just touched the file [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► cabinet if you don't have the bat ring [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► or whatever it just doesn't open so you [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► would never know unless you got bruises [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► special bat you to the point about being [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► mature earlier and about things you can [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► show and can't show its kind of no no [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► pun intended shocking when they kill [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► Bullock right and you're like whoa like [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► oh my god they threw him into this thing [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► and and obviously Barbara especially [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► who's you know helps in basically does [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► that is is a gas at what she's done when [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► she think she's killed you know Harvey [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► Bullock and of course it turns out to be [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► a robot that means a little cavalier [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► about that guys like was it like its [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► Clayface in disguise or something but he [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► has no qualms about tossing Harvey [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► Bullock into a giant spotlight well I [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► mean you have you met Harvey Bullock I [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► mean is that the Harvey Harvey is [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► another great character and i love it [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► because he's a total jerk but he's also [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► basically a good guy you know he has [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► good motives he wants to do good things [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► he just disagrees with that man and he's [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► personally obnoxious but that doesn't [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► mean he's a bad cop right [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► headcanon Batman can tell the difference [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► between our people look in the horrible [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► and replicate by smell alone soap opera [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► Barbara rescues Batman right she goes [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► down to the building's gonna blow up and [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► she helps him help them out which shows [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► her her mettle as a future here are [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► right right here [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► not that she's made of metal she's not a [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► robot they'll a great groundwork here [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► for her as bad Carol and and its really [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► it makes sense then later on when she [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► decides to do that right because right [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► now you're always going to put down [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► yeah yeah I i love that touches the end [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► where it's like you know that was a [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► little dangerous yeah I can't have fun [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► yeah we we need to move through the rest [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► of these because we have a lot more [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► still to talk about the next one is a [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► regular episode if your social so smart [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► why are you rich which is said in green [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► speckles yep another evil CEO creates a [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► supervillain is awesome it's like open [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► chemical baths and CEOs who are just too [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► greedy leading causes of built village [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► creators this is funny because Bruce [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► Wayne is thinking of buying this company [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► and and he apparently a while doing his [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► due diligence he discovers that they've [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► cheated the Riddler out of his royalties [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► and the Riddler's really mad and I i [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► love the riddles Riddler is my favorite [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► Batman villain up because he attempts to [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► thwart or challenge Batman with with [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► puzzles and mysteries and those are [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► things that I personally enjoy and I [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► like I mean I think I like the quality [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► of the puzzles that he presents Batman [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► within this I think there are pretty [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► consistently amusing or clever or both [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► so I around a big fan of the road i [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► think the Riddler only appears and maybe [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► three episodes and the entire animated [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► series and is that it yeah yeah but [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► those episodes really stand out they had [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► far more interesting villains to play [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► with [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► I mean what's the Riddler but just sort [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► of like a cut-rate Joker I mean I like [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► to love them so rob him [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► no no but i'm saying compared to say mr. [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► freeze or racial ghoul or poison ivy or [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► I mean you can't go through the whole [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► list is child but John Glover john [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► galvers screen Riddler's great [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► yeah and I don't know it's it's not like [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► he at least in this series I don't think [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► that the Riddler and the Joker all that [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► comfortable the Joker yes he creates [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► some puzzles and some mysteries but the [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► rivers on this whole other level I mean [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► yes this this episode shows just that [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► this man is brilliant and even though [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► he's brilliant he is not world wise [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► enough to take care of himself and [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► therefore is denied of the money he [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► should have a node and therefore goes [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► over the edge and turns himself into [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► into the Riddler I'll liked this episode [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► quite a bit not only because of the [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► river [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► but also because of Robin because i'm [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► i'm a bit of a Robin fan you know you [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► guys crushed on Batgirl when you were [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► kids i crush them right but he's really [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► bad at video games though [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► Yeah Yeah right arm atari games but he's [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► smart enough to know he's able to solve [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► some of the riddles that Batman you know [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► doesn't realize yeah he it shows a good [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► team going on in this episode once they [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► get going and I like that I like that [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► the Robin thing is well and he solves [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► some of the puzzles and that you know [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► again Batman uses smarts to basically [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► break the rules of the game and win [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► yeah Jack's they have floating hand of [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► fate and flies it like a sort of flying [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► surfboard kind of thing and go sheets [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► goes to the center of the maze so many [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► safety violations in this in my hand [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► part it is [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► yeah Gotham Gotham City citizens are [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► incredibly blasé about personal danger [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► I mean that they go to amusement parks [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► that are wildly dangerous and the harley [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► and ivy episode later they openly could [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► at harley quinn and poison ivy both of [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► them they should you by sight [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► yeah I also liked in this episode how [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► dumb at the end you get similar to our [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► device you get that bit at the end this [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► time the revenge is not as obvious or [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► judiciary I guess as it was but yet the [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► the Riddler is terrifying this man who [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► robbed him and is going to be terrifying [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► for the rest of his life and that's a [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► fairly powerful ending I think oh yeah [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► really dark and creepy that's that is [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► the thing that stuck with me for years [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► after seeing this episode I like that [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► I'm the economics of Batman which is [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► that Wayne Enterprises buys competitor [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► on this company and it brings jobs to [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► Gotham City [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► so apparently this is Bruce Wayne's [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► business model is he he buys companies [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► in other cities fires all the people [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► move the intellectual property that [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► Gotham and then hires people from Gotham [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► to run them I guess [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► ok whatever Bruce have whatever we have [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► a rich guy you can do what you want [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► anything forgot them yeah I guess bring [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► jobs to the city it's important [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► ok almost got him number 46 this is my [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► favorite episode my face [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► it's almost got him is the the premise [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► of the episode there's a twist but the [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► premise is that a bunch of Batman [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► villains are just hanging out in a very [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► sketchy pool hall playing poker and [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► talking about the times they almost got [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► Batman so it's great because it's almost [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► like three many episodes in one so [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► that's a great framing device and we get [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► these little stories from the point of [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► view of poison ivy the Joker the penguin [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► and kind of a story from Killer Croc and [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► to face to face to face yeah so i will [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► never forget as I told to anyone who [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► watched this episode emblazoned in my [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► memory is the delivery of I throw a rock [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► at everything you do is a big rock rock [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► but then the twist and is a bad man and [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► he did that was not to that was not [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► Killer Croc Batman pretending to because [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► I know which is a kind of mean of Batman [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► you think better to pick even better [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► well he figured out when boat when it [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► was poker night apparently was the only [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► way to save Catwoman when it's funny [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► because if you watch the other episodes [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► with killer croc he's actually not [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► stupid so clearly Batman is playing his [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► stupid because he assumes that all the [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► rest of these guys think he's stupid [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► yeah and some of the little stories they [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► tell are just i think particularly [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► over-the-top the penguin has the most [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► bird tastic 148 of june is a very of [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► doom he's got a cassowary he's got [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► humming birds that are poisonous it's it [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► is the most penguin that Batman uses a [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► hummingbird to stab another yeah i mean [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► to face steals of two million dollars [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► into dollar bills [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► yeah what benefit one and that one that [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► one is sorry that the comics is down the [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► giant penny the giant penny says okay [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► it's even it's even more plausible than [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► the comic book version is very this one [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► of two episodes we watched I think all [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► right sorry i watch the second one in [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► which is also trapped beneath the dry [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► quite yet [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► it's not a penny it is the only way to [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► stop toupees yeah that's right i love [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► the attention to detail in this episode [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► all the little things that how they open [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► on the characters hands and you can tell [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► so much about which one is the Joker [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► twoface just by their hands you have the [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► Joker pulling up an ace from his [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► we have you see to face pouring [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► half-and-half into his coffee [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► I love holding onto to the the new faces [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► always got here Suze yeah yeah yeah i [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► love the Joker taking a look at two [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► phases cards as he prepares pretends to [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► wipe a tear from his eye and i love that [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► this episode shows why the Joker's [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► different from all the other villains [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► when the Joker mentions what his plan is [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► to do with Catwoman namely grinder up in [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► turn into cat food all the other [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► villains these dangerous criminals and [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► psychopaths are shocked and horrified [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► disgusting mind and I i love that like [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► the only human thing about the Joker in [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► the series is that his commitment to [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► being a total jerk [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► that's the one real thing that humanizes [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► him is that no matter what no matter who [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► he's with he's going to be a jerk to [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► them i also love the the episode in the [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► when he saves Catwoman eventually in [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► Harley's like you can only save you can [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► only save your classic you can only save [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► them or catch me and it's like I've got [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► two hands [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► yep and I drink wine from Harley you [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► know I had a cat once they don't always [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► land on their feet and you think about [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► it for a moment you realize oh my god [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► harley quinn killed her cat also poker [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► at like the animation this episode much [TS]