The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► submitted for your approval one Rod [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► Serling rumbles television writer who [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► gained a sort of immortality by [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► appearing on camera introducing an [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► anthology series that would go down in [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► history as one of the finest of all time [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► his story was not an amazing story in [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► order to take viewers to the outer [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► limits [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► instead it took them to the heart of [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► human nature one of the darkest corners [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► of the twilight zone [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► the incomparable [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► number 377 November 2016 welcome back [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► everybody to the uncomfortable i am your [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► host Jason smell and we're here in this [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► episode to talk about classic television [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► series from long ago for more than 50 [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► years ago but you probably know it and [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► if you haven't seen it you know what you [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► probably still know it because of all [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► the references [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► it's so influential and funny thing it's [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► often rerun over the holidays in a [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► marathon which is one of the reasons [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► we're doing it right before Thanksgiving [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► it's the twilight zone we're going to [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► enter our dimension not only of sight [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► and sound but of mind dude and introduce [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► my panelists dune computed he is fresh [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► out of the asylum [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► so let's put them on an airplane it's [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► david lower hello [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► submitted for your approval a playwright [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► surrounded by cornfields reaping what he [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► sowed in the twilight zone also as Steve [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► let's hear it's good that you're here [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► it's really good Steve it's great that [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► you're here it's a real good podcast [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► you're making your Jason real it's real [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► it's it's really good make him stop [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► doing it make him stop [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► somebody hit the podcast host over the [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► head with something hard while I've got [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► distracted and now I first time on as a [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► panelist although you've heard his voice [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► before in some of our listener feedback [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► episodes he's also the host and this is [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► relevant of the random sterling podcast [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► it's a it's it's dan where's dan I'm [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► talky Tina and i'm going to introduce [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► look mom Santa Claus is loaded and then [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► I was going to introduce our next guest [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► with some dialogue from the classic [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► Twilight Zone episode the invaders but [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► there isn't any its Frank whoo [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► Frank welcome thanks i love the twilight [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► zone [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► I am so psyched about this I cannot [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► express in words because we're talking [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► about that so that is not [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► like I can I got president words just [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► how awesome this this is I i love this [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► show since I was little and ah yes now [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► see thanksgiving is not my twilight zone [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► holiday it is right for me it was always [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► a fourth of july i know that there [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► probably are some places some weird [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► places where thanksgiving is the time [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► for the twilight zone marathon but it [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► was always at least in the LA area he [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► was always a the fourth of July [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► independence that's just the [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► conversation around the table with the [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► inlaws that's what Thanksgiving is I'll [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► just we know you did this when we set [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► this episode of Steve III did my [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► research and the toilets and marathon [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► originated on Katla in la at [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► Thanksgiving of 1980 so it was a [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► thanksgiving marathon before it was a [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► fourth of July Wow in your face get on [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► KTLA no kidding well they changed that [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► they changed it then very easy steve-o [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► my recent it was always a new years day [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► marathon bag yeah it's a holiday thing [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► to it so anything could think of a [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► marathon about regardless yeah it works [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► better for the fourth of july though [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► because there's nothing else going on [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► the fourth of July you don't have any [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► meals to prepare anything just sitting [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► around waiting to blow stuff up in the [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► evening and well it's there's a lot of [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► homespun americana yeah and there are [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► there all episodes about how messed up [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► america is just too far more twilight [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► zone episodes are set in summers gone by [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► than any other season so there's only [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► one summer to every customer Jason I was [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► just thinking that you know you can put [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► something on the stove and for [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► thanksgiving and then watch all an [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► entire episode and then come back and it [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► wouldn't be done yet because these are [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► these are these are quick there Pacey [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► the fastest are fast there in and out 20 [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► minutes they're done [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► I got through these ones we watch for [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► this in just lickety-split [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► yeah it's fast speedy speedy it's kind [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► of nice instead of watching the movie it [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► goes on for three hours [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► I don't make them like this anymore we [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► watched six episodes and we're going to [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► talk about it but I thought we would get [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► I thought we maybe get started by [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► talking about the twilight zone [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► more generally you know it is it is in [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► in in people's memory they know about [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► maybe the voice of Rod Serling and him [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► appearing in a suit and introducing it [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► that every every introduction ends with [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► a littlie a little uh mention of the [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► twilight zone [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► and how does he work that in and how [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► does that all fit in the theme song [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► super creepy there are lots of really [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► interesting opening credits it's all in [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► black and white at lots of amazing [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► actors showed up in it and of course [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► it's famous for its surprising twist [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► endings that happen a lot i think it [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► sticks in our minds this is a this is [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► one of these these things that 55 60 [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► years later it's still quite memorable [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► the the all of these stories as an [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► anthology series especially it's a [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► little surprising their know like sink [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► in indelible characters like Star Trek [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► or something like that it's just these [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► stories and and and yet it remains i [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► would say i don't know if it's [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► influential but it's certainly strong in [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► memory they don't make shows like this [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► well but you know separately mirror-like [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► rehash that gets created about every [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► every 20 years yeah but even even there [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► you've got it is influenced episodes of [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► other shows it is important for sure it [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► has influenced the style of shows like [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► The X Files [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► I mean what is the x-files but just a [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► really long Twilight Zone that kinda [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► meanders and gets lost in some [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► technology halfway through the show but [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► anyway [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► well the simpsons halloween episodes [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► wouldn't exist without the top it's true [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► right there almost more of the men are [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► twilight zone episodes at this point to [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► you know and and part of the reason it's [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► endured where things like science [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► fiction theater and even the outer [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► limits the outer limits are still kind [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► of popular but you know anthologies were [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► big thing at the time the reason this [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► one indoors i think is because most of [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► those were about quick scares and it's [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► not it's not just hates monster [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► ah and trying to deal with monster or [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► hey its invaders from space right [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► there's more to it it's about the fear [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► of the unknown at work on a normal human [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► being and almost every episode does that [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► that creeping sense of something is [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► really really weird and and it's gonna [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► eventually overwhelm me if I don't do [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► something and sometimes the main [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► character is overwhelmed sometimes it's [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► someone who deserves their comeuppance [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► and sometimes it's working on a [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► perfectly innocent person or someone we [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► think is a perfectly innocent person and [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► and so there's there's more at work [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► there than just scary story creepy story [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► well their morality plays I mean yeah [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► yeah Rod Serling really use this as a [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► way to tell stories about politics [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► because he had had a show i think it was [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► called the arena or something like that [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► which is about politics in 1956 and then [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► they killed it because it was talking [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► about you know current for the [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► politicians and it's like well so make [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► everybody a robot until the exact same [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► sorry that will be fine and and everyone [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► will know that this robot is Eisenhower [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► and this other robot is perfect Steven [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► said and you know I can say whatever I [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► want Ike was a robot did the final straw [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► was when he tried to do a teleplay about [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► the Emmett Till story and they [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► completely I mean they said well you can [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► you can set a hundred years earlier and [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► you can set it in a little mexican town [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► and and it won't have anything to do [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► with Emmett Till and it'll barely [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► resemble the real story and he said this [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► is ridiculous and it was awful i think [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► it's called a town is turned to dust and [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► and that was the moment when he said you [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► know again if I said it in the science [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► fictional setting think they just go out [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► robot school [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► yeah that's what they used to do in [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► soviet russia that was the secret sauce [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► and star trek to write is a trace [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► you don't think it's so ridiculous that [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► we can slide in RR meaning and and [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► everybody can just agree it's going to [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► be an allegory it's going to be [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► metaphorical it's not going to be that's [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► why I like some of the best Star Trek [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► episodes are also some of the worst and [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► let that be the last year about you [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► where you like guys are like black and [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► one time went on the other side as [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► opposed to the guys are whitening that [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► side in black and yellow set which is [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► either the dumbest idea you've ever seen [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► are the most drawing idea [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► it's like it's hard to tell what the [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► problem is when they're too on the nose [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► yeah and and one thing that Sterling was [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► good about was coaching things properly [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► within enough of a sci-fi or horror [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► environment that whatever the message [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► was it was relatively unrecognizable he [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► wasn't beating you over the head with [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► his humanism or whatever it was that he [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► was pounding that week I feel like a lot [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► of the these episodes including those [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► samples that we watch one of the one of [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► the great things about them is [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► not all of them but some of them you [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► don't you're not entirely sure what [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► you're watching when you're watching it [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► and um where the supernatural element [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► will come in if it comes in at all some [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► of them are a little more obvious but [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► some of them are not just waiting for [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► the twist your like waiting to see when [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► you take like an episode like there are [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► a lot of these where whether somebody [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► who you think may be losing it and it's [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► unclear whether you're really witnessing [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► a supernatural event or just a crazy [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► person like you know living doll is [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► kinda like that and nightmare at 20,000 [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► 40,000 feet for sure is like that which [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► and the beauty of that is he starts as [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► someone who just left an asylum right [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► Ryan he's he's struggling you know it's [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► like Izzy crazy at the end [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► no he didn't see a thing on the wing and [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► he has regained his sanity even though [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► they wheeled him away or I will get to a [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► woman we talked about this one but in [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► month the monsters are due on Maple [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► Street I mean you could go very very [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► deep like literally to the last shot of [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► that and just cut it off before the end [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► and say there are no aliens [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► there's no fantastic element monsters r [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► us kid vs the monsters arrives we [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► established this we're done right and [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► that i love that about it almost look [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► better in fact that many together [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► episode [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► yeah so the reason the twilight zone [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► stuck with me was particularly that it [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► was like the perfect first geeking out [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► kind of show you i was not old enough to [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► be around when these originally aired [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► but I saw them constantly in syndication [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► and in particular those those marathons [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► i look forward to every year and I would [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► sit there and watch them over and over [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► again and it was really the first show [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► that I just completely geeked out about [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► and I wanted to make sure I had seen all [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► of them and it was one of the first [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► shows that i can think of that had a [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► companion book that came out that listed [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► every episode of The Twilight Zone [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► companion by Mark Scott decree long [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► before the internet made these things [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► you know the things that you can just [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► pull up with the tap of a couple of [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► fingers you have to go to bookstore and [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► specifically by the twilight zone [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► companion but it was great because it [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► listed all the episodes you know season [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► by season with the original airdate [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► switch wasn't necessarily the same as [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► the day [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► that they were produced in and it was [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► written early enough that and thank [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► goodness that he wrote it when he did as [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► opposed to wait until the Internet age [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► because he was able to to interview the [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► creator's you know there were some of [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► them are still alive and the ones who [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► weren't were not so far gone that people [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► had forgotten you know the the various [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► things that they had said about the [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► episode so I mean it was just it was a [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► treasure trove for somebody who liked to [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► really get into something and sort of [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► appease that collectors urge you might [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► my copy is sitting three feet away from [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► you as as we speak [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► I'm holding in my hands unfortunately [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► lost my first edition I'm I've got the [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► 2nd edition so Dan what prompted you [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► mean you obviously care enough about [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► this that you decided to do a podcast [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► all about the the rod serling TV series [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► so what what what made this click for [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► you so it's interesting at least I hope [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► it's interesting to people that's it [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► that's the purpose that will be the [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► judge of that [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► there's the twist the yes will it be [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► interesting or not the the the thing for [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► me is like but like many of you all have [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► said I'm not old enough to have seen the [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► show in its original runs but it was [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► very familiar with through syndication [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► you know i can recall watching many [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► episodes on the couch with my [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► grandmother who lived with us at the [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► time we were and she kind of turned me [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► into a TV junkie or did she or was it [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► your grandmother she was dead the whole [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► time but yeah it's a so for me I have [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► some memories of that but then I really [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► hadn't watched any episodes of the show [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► in a very long time and I was feeling [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► the urge to create a show that had you [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► know give me a reason to find guests and [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► talk to different people and and just [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► kind of happened upon well here's this [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► thing that note that not only there's [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► the twilight zone but then I also added [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► night gallery into the mix to you know [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► just to add some just crummy your [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► television [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► no I like my gallery and often it has it [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► has its moments so yeah part of my [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► motivation was that I'm not as well [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► versed is is as you all actually are and [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► so it was giving me a of a reason and a [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► justification with a full-time job to [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► spend as much time as i'm planning to [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► watching all this TV I felt like I had [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► to have something coming out of it [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► creatively so so that's kind of the [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► shows as much for my education and in [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► learning for my guests is anything else [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► i mean 20 minutes a week who that's a [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► group anyway let's let's III randomized [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► using random.org a list of the second [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► battery life [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► yes that's right when you want to watch [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► twilight zone episodes randomly choose [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► random.org the invaders came up first no [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► but yeah we're just gonna be quiet for [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► 20 minutes [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► that's that's we talk about the the ways [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► this is influential one of my like three [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► notes that i made for this episode this [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► is the episode where agnes moorehead is [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► chased around by these adorable little [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► likes robot astronaut things that are [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► creatures of some stuff so modern ebay [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► they are adorable they're adorable and [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► tell the one is holding a knife that's [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► bigger than him ocean suddenly actually [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► I'm terrifying but it was self-defense [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► when you should then they're just [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► shining their little light at her and [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► making well it's raised up on her skin [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► they're not quite so terrifying but as [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► soon as the things got the knife [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► sticking out [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► well I mean the headline is local woman [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► menaced by adorable robots I think [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► that's what yeah that is my favorite [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► shot in like any Twilight Zone episode [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► where where she's grabbing the the [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► doorknob and the knife comes out and [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► Qatar him and yeah it's so bad it's sold [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► mr. all and the wood thing i love about [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► this episode in the reason that works [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► for me because you know as someone who's [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► worked in animation someone that really [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► likes animation is like anyone who's [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► because any interest at all in doing [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► animation should see this episode [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► because the reason a lot of CGI doesn't [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► work is because the characters don't [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► interact with the environment it's like [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► an and Prometheus are taking this [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► vehicle from the spaceship to the alien [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► ruins and there's always cool landscape [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► that you see out the window no one's [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► looking out the windows and like in this [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► episode she's like she's making food [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► she's at that that knife is set up by [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► when she takes a slice of potato or [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► whatever and she eats it [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► she's like actually eating so you get [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► this sense that she's actually in this [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► environment working in interacting with [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► objects in their environment [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► she used that knife we saw it in use [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► yeah when I for the night yeah exactly [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► and so when she got stabbed by the knife [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► and cut by the knife you like really [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► feel like and that's why I think that's [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► absurd really works and I mean one thing [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► is that if you look closely i mean it [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► starts out you know you see the [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► establishing shot of the cabin with the [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► smoke coming out from the chimney and [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► and rod is doing his little introduction [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► and so it looks kind of rustic and that [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► explains why things look a little [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► different and of course the twist [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► spoiler horn is that she's on another [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► planet and the invaders are your [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► thoughts [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► monsters are us once again oh now and [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► all of the tools and everything she uses [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► head had to be specially designed just [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► for the episode so that they looked [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► enough like what we would use on earth [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► to be recognizable and yet when you go [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► back and watch it again [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► they look just a little more stylized [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► they look like a little bit different [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► which and even that the vegetable or [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► whatever is the children right sort of [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► like a cab yeah chopping up doesn't [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► really look exactly like a cabbage and [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► distance really a potato and and I mean [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► I wanted I want to just talk for a [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► second about the director because [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► everybody talks about the writers Duggan [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► is Douglas an eye of the beholder has [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► got to be [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► oh yeah spectacular mean at least of all [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► the twilight zone episode during which [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► he was kind of a journeyman director on [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► television in the fifties and sixties [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► and then went into movies a little bit [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► and and some of his stuff is just very [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► straightforward you he wrote and [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► directed several episodes of Maverick [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► which you know there's kind of a shift [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► and but yet these two episodes he [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► directed I think nine Twilight zones all [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► together and and all nine of them are [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► very good but these two are just really [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► smartly directed and and especially in [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► this one [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► one of my mother's tests for whether [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► something was a was a good story or good [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► movie was you know back back then when [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► you were you were flying across country [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► they just had one giant screen so [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► everybody was forced to watch the movie [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► where they had headphones or not and she [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► wouldn't get the headphones she would [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► just you know kind of zone out and watch [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► the movie [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► and usually she could tell what was [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► going on in the story just from the [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► visuals yeah this one you keep you know [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► if you're if you're just watching the [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► visuals without the audio you don't [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► quite get what's going on at the end if [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► you're just listening and you don't have [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► the video you have no idea what's going [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► on at the end and this one you need both [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► it's one of the few things where you [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► absolutely have to be paying attention [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► to get what's going on and that's that's [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► kind of a neat trick [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► yeah this is it got to be a tough [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► episode to produce just because you're [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► what i mean there's the the [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► complications of you know making this [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► alien without making it seem alien so [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► you get to the twist and you aren't you [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► know spoiled on it but then there's the [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► fact of the little dudes that had to be [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► basically puppets you know and and how [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► do you make them semi menacing when [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► they're just like little fat guys little [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► Michelin men walking around its kind of [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► clothes sometimes that is really but you [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► know you can hold it off and look at the [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► turning point is when they're shooting [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► the Raygun adder it's not really that [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► freaky and then though the one takes a [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► knife to work to her ankle and and [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► suddenly it make it takes a turn and it [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► actually is genuinely scary and you know [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► i love this episode because it's because [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► it's a straight-up horror episode and [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► there aren't necessarily that many of [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► those in the twilight zone can and I [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► mean it's usually more of a sci-fi [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► aspect to it and this one gets to it at [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► the end but for the most part it's just [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► a horror story and and this is written [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► by Richard Matheson who that was really [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► kind of his specialty in a way it's a [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► lot like do all it is the movie that [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► hero with no dialogue with the guy the [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► the trucks Weaver ya Dennis we're so one [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► of the things that struck me about it [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► while I was watching the invaders is the [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► like when TV series modern TV series do [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► like stunts episode special episodes [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► they are they are trying to be like The [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► Twilight Zone I mean the twilight zone [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► was almost all stunned episodes in one [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► way or another but the ones that really [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► got me were invaders and I the beholder [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► which are both very high concept ideas [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► like invaders there's no dialogue and I [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► of the beholder which we'll get to in a [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► moment is the way the cameras are moving [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► and the way the actors are moving so [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► that you never really see the faces of [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► any [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► the characters until the big reveal at [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► the end and I was immediately taken back [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► with with the invaders in particular to [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► hush the the silent episode of buffy the [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► vampire slayer which is just I mean it's [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► the same concept it's what if we had to [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► tell a story without dialogue and you [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► know the x-files did a bunch to do you [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► know what all those deer and Morgan [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► episode of the x-files are like five or [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► six of them they are funny but they're [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► also even more than the series as a [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► whole because I think David's right [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► that's sort of like what if what if two [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► people investigated the twilight zone [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► every week with the x-files is they [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► would have their get kind of kind of [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► gaming episodes and I I just a it [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► reminded me that a lot of that a lot of [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► that stuff was done first and probably [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► inspired the the latter ones by the [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► twilight zone and the event invaders is [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► a great example of that the the thing [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► that stuck out to me and correct me if [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► I'm wrong did didn't she started in [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► terms of fighting with him she yes she [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► kicks kind guy down oh I was watching on [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► the whole and that the earth men shoot [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► first no I just could tell when they [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► were shot they were just know she's [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► bringing out she hides behind the [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► trapdoor and then the one comes around [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► the trapdoor as anything about how you [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► doing we meet these guys we know are [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► being like flickering and she kicked [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► well okay maybe maybe ought to go back [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► and watch but i'm pretty certain that [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► she can sit down the trap door and and [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► technically like it even in that [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► establishing scene where she's still [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► chopping the vegetables of whatever it [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► is and and if you listen carefully [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► again this is a really smart sound [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► design there's a little bit of music [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► right and you're Indiana as she's you [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► know dumping her vegetable into the pot [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► she stirs the pot and there's one [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► melodic tone that suddenly starts just [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► taking over and right rising and it [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► turns out that's the ship landing and [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► then all the rest of the music drops out [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► it's just that sound and she starts [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► clutching your head [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► and.and that I think that headache is [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► the thing that really triggers it [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► so yeah they totally started agnes [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► moorehead you got to say she straight up [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► magnificent in this you know her facial [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► expressions and the little sound she [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► makes are there they're so strange there [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► so off and I mean when she first here's [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► that spaceship and and she's like [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► feeling that you look like she's being [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► deafened or something by it and she's [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► just acting so oddly that you wonder [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► well maybe this woman's maybe she's a [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► little touched [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah but no it turns out that [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► her mannerisms are strange because she's [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► giant space alien but you know you are [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► supposed to know that until the end and [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► of course she doesn't say anything [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► either because if she started saying [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► like don't believe in loudoun globin or [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► something it would ruin the surprise but [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► instead she's got like these little [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► guttural these guttural noises she makes [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► that are you know you could you could [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► see a human doing that but it makes [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► sense at the end when it turns out that [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► she's not if she's a hermit living off [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► by herself in the wilderness [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► you know maybe she hasn't got any [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► sounding years [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► yeah I do want to say it is a little [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► depressing when they revealed that its [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► space probe number one that landed in [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► this town talking about was it was my [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► first one it's gonna set the space [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► program back like years it's one small [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► step for man [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► no Mon Air Force you should have known [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► that was at the planet of giants [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► come on i guess i'm a silly optimist I [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► was hoping it was a reusable craft it's [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► the 9th mission of space probe number [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► okay that's what I was opening their you [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► all right uh the eye of the beholder [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► another another kind of gimmick thing [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► like i said that this is this is your [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► showcase for the director and for the [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► lighting because that's what we've got [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► going on is a a woman is her face is [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► wrapped in bandages she's poor ibly [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► disfigured this is her last attempt at [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► plastic surgery to correct her horrible [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► disfigurement and throughout the episode [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► we don't see her face and we also don't [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► see the faces of the nurses and doctors [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► who are taking care of her [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► and you know i think part of the [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► challenge with a lot of these twilight [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► zone episodes with twists is you know [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► the twist is a modern audience and you [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► have to kind of put yourself in the mind [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► of the story that they're trying to tell [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► and what would have been like if you [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► didn't know the twist and all that and [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► what I kept thinking about this episode [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► is you can read it as a nice bit of of [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► symbolism right like she's nice faceless [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► and their faceless and it's only at the [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► end is like yeah but that's not it [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► that's it's more it's more than that [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► happening here and again this is douglas [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► Hayes bear in mind they only had like [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► two and a half to three days to film [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► these and there's a lot of blocking and [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► camera work for that yeah the blocking [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► and the lighting and shadows now and the [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► movement there's a lot of movement to [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► Allah camera the camera cam yeah because [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► you know anyone who they're there are [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► several points where the doctor gets up [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► and starts to walk towards the light and [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► the camera has to shift so that the [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► nurse blocks his face right now there's [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► a lot of choreography going on this one [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► and a lot of creativity and in the [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► filming when when they do the unbanned [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► a'junk at the end [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► basically they stuck a fishbowl on the [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► camera lens and wrap that in bandages [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► that they could show it cutting away and [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► getting lighter and lighter and then you [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► know cutting back and forth to you know [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► seeing the hands cutting the bandages [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► away and things like that but that's a [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► really clever way of getting that that [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► sensation of being wrapped in bandages [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► for the point of view shot but yeah the [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► whole thing is so smart and it it does [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► sound if you get if you close your eyes [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► and listen to it it almost sounds like [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► an episode of Ben Casey which I'm sure [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► was intentional [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► you know right down to sort of like [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► little soap operatic interactions [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► between the doctor the nurse and the one [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► scene and and then you know it takes [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► that sort of interesting thing midway [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► through where you know at first you [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► think it's just a normal story right and [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► then up here comes a video screen from [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► the the ceiling and it's time to hear [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► the words of our leader you know what I [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► had completely forgotten about that [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► whole that was illegal is the only thing [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► I remembered from having seen this over [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► and over as a kid [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► what [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► is the the a plot you know the the right [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► Harvey and Esther I completely i was [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► shocked when i watch this and that [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► there's the whole leader in the hole [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► like this snow isn't God stuff and [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► already bits about the freaks being [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► segregated in ghettos right now that's [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► where its setting you up for the twist [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► I'm not sure any of that stuff is [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► necessary to be honest I mean it's no no [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► i thought no i think it is absolutely [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► necessary because otherwise it's just [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► about like you know people who look [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► different but this but the whole thing [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► about the leaders saying stuff like [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► there's glorious conformity and everyone [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► got to be the same and we cut out [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► everything that stuff is important to [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► have one form and we must all conform to [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► it that's right conformity is the key to [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► survival he starts up and I feel like [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► that stuff's overkill though I mean you [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► get the message without it [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► maybe seems like you're kind of [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► hammering point yourself I thought the [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► best part about that was the was it was [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► their special effects on the fake TV [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► screens yes that are better than some of [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► the ones i see on TV today [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► yes those were nicely done i love this [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► episode for so many reasons like the the [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► way it's filmed and the dialogue in the [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► way that they did not build it up but [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► but it's it's the the leader stuff that [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► makes me like really watch this episode [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► because it really underlines like I mean [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► like like when Mitt Romney talked about [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► self-deportation back four years ago we [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► laughed at them and but what's going [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► what happened a couple days ago is that [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► we have segregation going on this [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► country but it's self-segregation [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► because we have people on the left you [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► have no idea what's going on with the [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► rest of the country and we talked about [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► the Fox News bubble and everything and [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► echo chamber but we had that on the Left [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► where people never went into the country [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► to see the despair and and people who [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► only have jobs working at Walmart and [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► stuff and it's that political divide [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► where instead of like the beautiful [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► people and the ugly people being divided [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► it's like people on the right and the [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► left where they never black people white [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► people never have lunch together and [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► people from political parties never like [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► sit down and just talk about stuff and I [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► think that's what's going on that's what [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► like one of the things that is [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► talking about in this episode where the [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► conformity within each political party [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► I think the one of the things that's [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► going on here and there is a question [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► right this is the message of this [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► episode you know it's all relative [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► you know it's all in the eye of the [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► beholder do we we make these judgments [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► but they're totally arbitrary and they [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► could be reversed and and it is that it [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► or is there this extra dimension that [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► the leader stuff gives you which is that [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► this is itself a an oppressive society [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► and that perhaps there's this whole [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► other thing here where everybody is [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► trying to look like the leader or he [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► looks like them and and you know it is [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► there a larger more terrifying kind of [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► Conformity that's going on beyond the [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► sort of more gentle conformity of just [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► little like it looks like everybody else [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► like just naturally and that it it adds [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► another dimension I don't know if it's [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► if I think it would probably be fine [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► without it but it adds that whole extra [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► dimension of the fact that this is like [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► a dystopian fascist kind of regime [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► that's happening here with this with [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► this exalted leader giving his speeches [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► on TV that it just it makes it that much [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► scarier and creepier and and that [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► explains her terror right because it's [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► not it's not that she wants the surgery [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► it's not that she's trying to look [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► beautiful quote unquote beautiful on her [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► own [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► it's that she knows she's gonna be a lot [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► of trouble if she doesn't look like the [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► leader it looks like everybody else [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► she's gonna be in trouble if she doesn't [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► she's gonna be segregated that's the [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► very reason why it detract from the a [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► fun for me which is that the it's it's [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► more effective for me I mean don't get [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► me wrong I love that I think this is [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► probably one of my favorite episodes of [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► the whole series and I i enjoy the the [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► leader stuff it's it's all interesting [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► but I feel like that the message that [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► the main message that he's trying to get [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► across is basically just the you know [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► the relativity of it and I think for me [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► the fact that she's horrified [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► just because you know she's a wreck of a [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► woman just because she's been different [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► as opposed to I she'sshe's different and [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► that means that she's going to be killed [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► by the state [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► I think it's much more effective if it's [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► just that she's she's a ruined person [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► just because people have always pointed [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► and laughed at her but you know again [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► all that's all up to your personal [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► perspective I i think it attracts but [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► it's a great episode [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► I the brilliance of of of having the [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► fact that she's in bandages be used as [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► the ploy to avoid showing the nurses and [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► doctors faces is is so so genius because [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► I mean the minute you see the script [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► you've got to be thinking to yourself [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► how the hell man accept this is secret [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► until the end you know that I've got 20 [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► minutes to kill it and we've got the [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► doctors and the nurses all talking [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► what's the excuse i'm going to have to [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► do the ridiculous things where people [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► keep walking in front of each other or [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► the doctors just happens to walk into a [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► shadow at the exact moment he turns [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► around and if that excuse is that she [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► can't see their faces so neither can we [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► and so we're just being put in her shoes [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► that's a great excuse i mean that it [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► really works perfectly for me and you [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► don't notice it after a while you know [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► and be there a couple of scenes were [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► just sort of jars right back [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► it's like oh oh yeah we can see their [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► faces but in a lot of cases there are [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► enough moments where you know like [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► there's an overhead shot or a long [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► distance shot and it feels again it [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► feels like a normal Hospital show of the [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► time the it i'm not sure of rod learned [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► the lesson of the show because the end [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► narration I and I notice the last time i [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► watched to right he goes now the [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► questions that come to mind where's this [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► place when is it [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► what kind of world where ugliness is the [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► norm and beauty the deviation [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► yes like right uh you just said beauty [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► is in the eye of the beholder yeah okay [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► can you just upset at all the people [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► making fun of his snaggle tooth all [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► those years in here he's trying to [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► restate the premise for the 1960s TV [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► audience who might have been right right [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► i do think it's a little strange that [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► the woman's deformity apparently [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► includes full makeup mean I wasn't [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► expecting that is a good well I will say [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► though that the the pig face dr. idly [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► smoking under his prosthetic as he [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► flirts with a pic me and it might be my [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► favorite yeah it's not image the thing [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► that it definitely worked a [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► and as far as you being in her shoes i [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► found myself stuck with the thought that [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► this was the 11th procedure and the the [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► fact that she'd undergone this 10 times [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► before the I was dwelling on the the [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► idea of you know we see your kind of [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► come unhinged in this of course but how [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► that's most likely been building over [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► the course of you know the prior 10 [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► failed attempts and and I found myself [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► just coming back to that over and over [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► again [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► well her bond structure flesh type many [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► factors prohibit the surgical approach [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► that's good science that's just get [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► signed [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► so I think it's nineteen sixties medical [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► science [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► I think they probably on the up-and-up [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► based on that I was just confused at how [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► after eleven surgeries that she she just [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► looks flawless like smooth because [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► really you in those guards you don't [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► think they would be trying to like make [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► her get the pig face right and then that [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► we should see that she's sort of like [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► but that's not you know that's not what [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► they want for the big reveal but so what [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► are they doing they were doing surgery [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► on her [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► they are they're using some sort of [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► examples makeup know they're supposed to [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► be injecting her with some kind of a [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► chemical like an appeal like to hope [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► that it would be with like having over [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► the reaction shapes the face little they [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► could include latex your face [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► yeah well cedar the the first time i [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► watch this one with the boys [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► my older son would have they must not be [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► good plastic cereal box that it's taken [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► them that long and she still looks like [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► Elly May that's not right [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► yeah it is a little strange that if [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► they're just using some sort of I don't [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► know stem cell treatment or some other [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► weird dna-based thing that they would [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► have to cover her face for a couple of [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► weeks not entirely sure what that's [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► about I we might be overthinking this [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► yeah maybe a little bit links let's move [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► onto maple street where the monsters [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► monsters are due there so this is a this [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► is a this is a classic so we we acted [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► this out as a play in my sixth-grade [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► class or maybe yes sixth-grade class so [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► i have fond memories of this because [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► it's not you have to get teach kids [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► young with the monster is us [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► I say and that's what happened [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► especially kids [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► yeah yeah so Claude Claude Akins TV [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► sheriff Lobo is in this one [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► and this is the kindest adventures as [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► usual yes and this is the classic tale [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► of paranoia where a spaceship passes [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► overhead maybe ? the lights go out [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► occasionally lights turn on and cars [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► start and things like that and the [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► entire neighborhood is convinced once [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► one dumb kid tells them about a science [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► fiction story he read where aliens were [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► among the people during the invasion and [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► look just like people everybody turns on [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► each other they become super paranoid [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► and I and a bad things happen in theirs [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► and there's a ride and of course the end [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► of the big the big reveal in the very [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► last shot as i mentioned earlier is that [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► the aliens are there but they're just [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► kind of watching the humans turn on each [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► other and they don't need to do anything [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► more because we are we are the worst and [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► we will take care of ourselves and then [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► they fly away in the Forbidden Planet [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► ship they do you gotta reuse spaceships [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► again it's only want my big note from [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► this episode is that charlie is the [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► worst that is pretty bad is the worst [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► he's a loudmouth and then and then he he [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► makes up when they start to suspect him [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► he just immediately just makes up [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► somebody's I know who it is it's the kid [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► the kid he did it [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► it's just that he's terrible he's the [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► worst but everybody the guy who spends [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► his time looking up at the sky early in [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► the morning because there's something [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► wrong with that kind of a person yeah [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► don't go out sometimes that or or [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► working on a radio yeah i love the way [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► that the scapegoat all it keeps changing [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► yeah my main note on this one is that [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► this episode really needs to be longer [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► than 20 minutes because in order for it [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► to get going [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► they have to instantly take that kids [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► comic book plot seriously after you have [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► more really has happened in a power [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► outage and a dead car battery and so the [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► whole thing for me comes off as a little [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► bit silly but you know they only have 20 [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► minutes so what are you gonna do I mean [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► to be fair this is what happened after [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► the 1965 New York blackout so i'm pretty [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► sure that lasted longer than 15 minutes [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► before you start losing their stuff [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► let's talk about the link for a minute [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► because this is one of those things or [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► for 22 minutes about the twilight zone [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► that's interesting is some of the [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► stories and I think some of the great [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► stories they have chest enough story to [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► withstand 22 minutes [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► that you can never tell that story over [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► an hour but over a half hour you can do [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► it right like like the invaders is a [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► good example or even I the beholder like [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► those are short stories they really [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► benefit from it sometimes there's an [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► episode where where I agree Steve I i [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► look at it and I think wow you what you [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► have had to do a lot of work to pack [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► this in here to this short timeframe and [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► I think the monsters are due on Maple [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► Street a good example that because this [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► feels like a play to me this is a great [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► play where it's claustrophobic [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► everybody's out on the street and they [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► are turning on each other one by one and [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► you know it's it's AII that's what I [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► love about it but it does all happened [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► pretty fast like to turn abouts are [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► ready yeah i don't know why i like i [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► like the patient intercepts oh and in [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► you know one of the things I really [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► liked about the twilight zone show that [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► came on the eighties is that they had [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► the whole hour and they could tell as [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► many stories right like two or three and [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► then if the story was five minutes line [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► to give five minutes and then you're [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► done [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► yep r & and they didn't have to pad [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► things out didn't have to stretch things [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► and and I think that that worked really [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► well because you never knew one that's [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► Kristin's coming right [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► yeah i mean the the fourth season of the [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► original show was all hour-long shows in [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► their boring [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► yeah there are a few that are ok but [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► even the best of the emerges [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► okay yeah and and there's a reason why [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► they went back to half an hour just feel [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► like maybe an extra 10 minutes on this [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► yeah just about right because the [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► ramp-up is just so fast it was just [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► enough time for me to go in 15 minutes [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► forget all about Pete who walked over to [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► the next block 04 shotgun iron I think [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► it's a mistake to zoom in on his hammer [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► at the end that I feel like I feel like [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► at this point this is the only season 1 [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► episode we did and i think at this point [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► they're still making the assumption that [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► maybe audiences really are quite clued [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► into what's happening yet and so we [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► gotta make it real easy for him [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► I keep having to remind myself on the [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► hammer thing that you know this is a [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► this is a preview our world so maybe you [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► know had no dwell on things a little [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► more because he only had one shot at the [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► getting everybody's attention and [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► telling them they couldn't run it back [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► now i just i love the I love the dark [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► view of human nature here and and like i [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► said earlier you know there could be no [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► aliens at the end of this [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► and it would just be that story right of [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► a blackout makes everybody turn on one [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► another and the aliens in the end just [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► are adding this little twist of like [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► look science fiction we can take over [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► this whole but we can take them all over [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► because we're we're exploiting how [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► terrible humanity is that like just [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► heads a little extra extra thing to it [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► but i do like this before that for that [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► and i'll make another reference to [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► another episode the my one of my very [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► favorite episodes of doctor who is [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► called midnight by Russell to davis and [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► it is very much the monsters are due on [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► Maple Street in a claustrophobic and [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► I'll in a kind of a space like a subway [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► car plus that is stuck somewhere and [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► everybody turns on each other and it's a [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► very similar kind of thing i love it and [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► it's dark and it's all about sort of [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► human nature is is to be awful and turn [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► on each other and and I was every time I [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► I think of everytime i watch monsters [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► are due on Maple Street I think of [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► midnight and vice versa because they're [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► they're very similar and wonderfully [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► written pull sort of play structure of [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► low-budget because midnight is one set [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► essentially and yet [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► great acting performances and and you [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► just get to see all the worst of human [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► nature which I Joyce you know sometimes [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► those episodes where where it is the [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► fear of the unknown working on you it's [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► very subtle this one is pretty much you [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► know boom fear of the unknown [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► something's happening what the hell's [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► going on in everybody freaks out which [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► is kind of cool [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► well this episode in the shelter which [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► is to somewhere where the the bomb [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► shelter and we turn each other it's a [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► anyway it reminds me a lot of like the [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► German movies that came out like 1925 [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► 1930 like between World War One World [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► War two like cabinet of dr. Caligari [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► metropolis and am in the Blue Angel we [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► have this veneer of civilization [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► everyone's acting really nice but then [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► you just scratch right below the surface [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► and there's always pestering hate and [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► rage and and in anger and then just [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► touch something and all blows up and it [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► kind of feels like America's a little [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► bit like that now way to bring down the [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► room I swear you in [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► is it Frank its Frank exactly like that [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► not that hard like or he doesn't look [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► like ass always is there oh wow [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► what's he doing in this country and that [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► like that's what they do in this episode [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► is like oh well they're they're not from [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► around here they're from like Iowa or [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► I think the real moral of this one is if [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► you leave a group of people and you come [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► back and its pitch black out and say hi [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► and see if ya me it's me Pete horn when [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► your hip and say hey remember the hammer [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► from before a couple couple things I [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► want to mention about this one because [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► it is an early one it's the only season [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► 1 episode this is the only episode that [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► we watched with the original music which [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► when I was a kid you know the the [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► classic twilight zone theme is so iconic [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► and and and everybody recognizes it at [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► the drop of a hat virtually everybody [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► from you know 52 55 405 can can just you [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► know helmet but yeah and I never used to [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► really think much of this the original [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► Bernard Bernard Herrmann the opening [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► music which is mostly just HAARP but man [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► I love it it's great it i think it [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► almost it almost works better as a theme [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► song for me than the than the little bit [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► too much on the nose [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► avantgarde thing that they eventually [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► switched over to ya that they switched [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► over to mary's constant scoffs yeah [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► which is really cool but the other [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► Bernard Herrmann what is unsettling it [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► really does kind of put you in the mood [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► for something weird thats to come yet [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► it's also beautiful but you know it [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► gives you that sense that something is [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► lurking just below the surface which i [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► think is great because and then the [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► other only other thing I wanted to [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► mention with this being an early episode [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► is that the ending aeration ends with [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► the pity of it is that these things [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► cannot be confined to the twilight zone [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► and I think that might be I didn't go [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► back and look but that might be [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► serling's first open admission that this [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► is pointed social commentary is just [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► silly side for the kids [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► this is I'm pointing at you and saying [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► you're the real monsters people [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► yep tune in again next week thank you [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► think about it [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► CBS how it makes you think doesn't it [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► mhm we're all the monster i'm at let's [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► move on to the cornfield [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► yes home of of Anthony's is very good [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► it's good it's a real good thing that [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► it's really good at taking this is a [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► choice that that's it's Cloris Leachman [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► the realest leachman's in it and and so [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► are you mean great great bill movie I [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► haven't watched this one since I became [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► apparent and I'll one of the things that [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► just musing about it's a good life is [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► you know kids are monsters [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► he's just Anthony who's got this [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► all-powerful it's like really it's like [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► what if you had somebody was [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► all-powerful mental powers and was just [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► a kid and Anthony you know he's not he's [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► done [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► I mean the whole beginning is he's a [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► monster this monster is a little boy [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► haha but another level it's like he's [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► not really I mean he's no more than any [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► other child he he all all kids are [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► monsters at least from time to time [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► the problem is that he is all-powerful [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► and so he can conjure anything and make [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► things go away with his imagination [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► which is let everybody around him to be [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► in this town that's been cut off from [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► the rest of the world all that's left is [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► his little town and they're all [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► terrified a conscience yet that's the [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► thing yeah exactly [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► he still the completely ruled by his his [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► whims you know child of six that you [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► would not want in charge of anything [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► know all the stuff that he's doing is [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► kind of awesome i mean like making he's [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► like made to TV go away and he just [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► produces TV on his mom with his mind and [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► what does he want you want to start over [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► fighting [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► yeah I would agree that there isn't yes [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► the only ok that scene is great because [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► everyone everyone looks completely [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► horrified by the stop-motion dinosaur [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► show is making it looks really good yeah [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► it looks awesome at the beginning of the [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► episode [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► she's like making horrible monsters [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► which are like three-headed frogs or [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► something that's cool but then he kills [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► I'll make him dead now I'm tired of [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► playing with him somebody get Franco 32 [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► gopher he makes he takes a guy and he [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► like makes them into a jack-in-the-box [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► that's awesome man [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► yeah like yeah like yeah like I might [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► have stopped me their blessing but it's [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► like see I think I think what they the [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► town people misinterpreted this but they [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► really needed was like somebody like me [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► the show up and say like wow can you do [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► a four-headed frog [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► how about five six seven and then like [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► while he's like making all this like [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► really cool stuff for me then he's like [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► distracted by doing that and then you [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► have been the head with a bottle exactly [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► what else can think up but like like me [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► and asked me an afternoon like making [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► cool stuff it's like hey you know arm [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► spaceships from alien and aliens like [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► can you make those in the sky yeah sure [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► that's like we do that like for four [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► hours i would be awesome when in this [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► this episode is kind of unusual in that [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► it's got one of the longest opening [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► narration in the whole series and [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► there's a twist in the opening narration [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► right yeah yeah it's it's really nice [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► having you know he sort of introduces [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► you to the 10 this is going to recognize [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► it and it's this very small town and all [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► of a sudden the rest of the world [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► disappeared in the town was left by [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► itself and then he starts introducing [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► you to the people and he gets in and [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► then mentions that there is a monster [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► and they have to think happy thoughts [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► and then it gets it gets the point with [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► you know this particular monster can [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► read minds you see he knows every [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► thought he can feel every emotion [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► oh yes i did forget something didn't I i [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► forgot to introduce you to the monster [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► this is the monster and you see Bill [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► movies sitting there Billy hand on his [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► fists looking really innocent and sweet [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► his name is Anthony fremont he's six [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► years old with a cute little boy face [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► and blue guyless eyes but when those [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► eyes look at you you'd better start [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► thinking happy thoughts because the mind [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► behind them is absolutely in charge [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► this is the twilight zone and there's no [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► there's no artful like you know you know [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► the next signpost up ahead is the I mean [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► it's just it's like this is the twilight [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► zone [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► yeah that's at that tells me that he [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► learned from his experience of making [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► the monsters are due on Maple Street [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► like you know I screwed expositions fine [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► we'll just lay it all out there and [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► now we can get into the meat of the show [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► yeah this one I think this I have to say [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► this is probably my favorite episode of [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► the show you're a bad man you see this [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► is the one that still manages to make me [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► feel dread in the pit of my stomach that [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► the tangible desperation on all of the [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► characters as they walk around on [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► eggshells is so tense and the way he [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► casually throws things out like I'll [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► make him dead now I'm tired of playing [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► with him or that's why I made him go on [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► fire he cheerfully says about some [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► neighbor [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► yeah it's it's just so horrifying and [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► and it's it's monstrous even for early [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► sixties TV and it's rough it's monstrous [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► even for modern-day TV and in this this [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► by the way this is the one that that [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► freaked me out the most is a kid and [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► it's mainly because of dan Hollis his [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► head on the jack-in-the-box bobbing back [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► and forth with that impassive expression [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► or did that freak me out the good when I [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► was a kid and and the looks on his [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► parents faces through the whole show I [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► mean Cloris Leachman as I mean she's [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► wonderful and John large who I mean he [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► had a career through sixties and early [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► seventies TV of looking nervous and [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► guilty and mrs. like the most nervous he [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► ever looked its mouth is great when they [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► gave birth to this monster that killed [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► everybody [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► yeah I can understand why they won't [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► kill him it seems strange that maybe [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► like the young guy won't do it but I [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► mean they're just all terrified I that [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► makes some sense but it's painful at the [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► end it's kind of a high noon sort of [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► situation where dan hall as he goes out [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► on the limb he gets it he gets everybody [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► already has anyone of you anytime now go [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► ahead and clock him on the head with a [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► bottle or a lamp or something and no one [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► has the balls and the only does that [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► Liam and then he's a jack-in-the-box and [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► he gets wish to the cornfield and all [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► man it just it tears me up man this [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► whole episode is just it's hard for me [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► to watch almost it's so tense [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► it reminds me of the second pilot star [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► trek where no man has gone before where [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► they get that moment that the indelible [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► moment where Jerry Mitchell's eyes turn [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► back to normal and it's like the moment [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► that you can get to kill him and then in [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► Kirk hesitates and then the moment has [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► lost its actually spoke is like killing [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► that that's the moment here that tense [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► moment where he's like I'm distracting [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► him you could all kill him now and [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► nope no comes comes right out and says [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► I know what ya up little deal when when [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► sterling passed away he was on the third [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► draft of a feature film version of the [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► story and never got made you know i'm [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► not sure it would be necessary [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► I mean I don't think he's actually are [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► 20 minutes or whatever it is is not [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► perfect for this all you would be doing [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► is adding more horror moments but you [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► know i don't think i could hack it to be [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► on around you this what this is rough as [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► it is now I thought was perfect [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► it doesn't without showing you anything [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► I mean it heat they tell us he has a 300 [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► go for and he's holding this really foul [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► looking tail up in the air but you can [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► kind of envision this poor thing [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► yeah but it doesn't know how he got [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► called into being or that it's about to [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► be killed just randomly probably in some [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► horrible way that's great so one of the [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► things i like about this and and I have [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► to have to mention now and I i figure if [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► I don't mention it Franklin mentioned so [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► I'm going to mention now Frank they made [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► a sequel to this [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► oh it's still a good like the forest [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► whitaker version so here's the here's [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► the problem with it in that one it's [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► like many years later and he's got [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► Anthony's got a son or daughter and [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► people are still living in the play by [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► his daughter played by Phil mommy's [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► daughter and and Cloris Leachman said [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► here's the problem [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► one of the things that's great about [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► it's a good life this original episode [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► is the tension about the fact that while [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► Anthony is very good at destroying [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► things he can't really create things and [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► that you see that where it's like the [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► supplies are dwindling right and and the [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► last scene where he makes it snow and [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► they're gonna lose half the crops like [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► part of the tension of this town is not [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► just that Anthony is a monster who is [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► who [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► you have to think good thoughts around [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► all that it's that they are completely [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► cut off from the rest of the world with [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► the rest of the world is gone [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► we've been at a bar soap for a year you [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► know that exactly right there running [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► out of everything so the sequel is dumb [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► because it just doesn't talk about that [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► and miss like now people are people live [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► for many years with Anthony in the town [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► and it's like no that's what's [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► terrifying about it is anthony kids a [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► force of destruction can't make things [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► and so they are all gonna die [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► I think what I one of the reasons that I [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► like this is the claustrophobia aspect [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► of it is not just that there's a monster [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► but you're saying [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► him in this little pocket universe and [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► your supplies are dwindling and it's you [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► know that just Ratchet it up another [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► whole level you sense that piques bills [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► got maybe like a six-month period yeah [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► when everybody is either dead or the [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► lack of crops have killed you know they [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► starved to death yeah like even if [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► Anthony doesn't kill them they'll starve [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► to death [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► hmm yeah and they're already done so but [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► but you talk about the dark ending it's [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► just amazing right the snow comes down [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► they're gonna lose half the crops [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► yeah it's good that you did Anthony it's [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► really great and he's just a good thing [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► you did you have Milan with his chin on [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► his hand looking off into the distance [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► with a wistful smile [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► meanwhile and Amy who is given a stroke [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► or something smiles in the background [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► right Andy me that's yeah she was the [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► only one who had any control over him [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► but then she pushed it [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► yep because the thing is like he can [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► know he can't make normal things he can [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► only make crazy things like the [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► three-headed gopher right like if he if [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► he he kills the corner with the snow but [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► he can't make normal car [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► no but he might be able to make like [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► weird poison car [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► yeah i'm not sure that he can't make [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► things I mean that the sense that I get [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► is that he created the gofer at the [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► beginning although it's possible that he [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► turned he turned it into a monster from [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► a regular go for like you did with the [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► pig maybe it's also a monstrous [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► three-headed thing like he can create [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► maybe you can create things but they're [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► not any good right yeah like maybe the [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► corn would taste like something bad [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► candy corn it be des corn although he [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► might just do that because it was funny [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► a shout out to Jerome Bixby or out the [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► original short story who like his kind [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► of forgotten even though he's the guy [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► that wrote the mirror episode of Star [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► Trek and created like spoke with the [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► beard and everything right fantastic [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► voyage and read the whole genre like [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► miniaturizing people and also it the [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► terror from outer space which is kind of [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► the basis of of the alien movies and [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► he's kind of forgotten which i think is [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► a real shame [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► so nick of time I hate this upset me too [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► why do we watch this one I think out of [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► all these episodes i think this is the [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► only clunker and Rod Serling once said [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► you know 30 episodes are probably really [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► good sermon are ok and the third of them [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► are for the dogs and I thought this is [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► what [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► well once for the dog [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► even though i love twilight zone and [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► richard matheson and in Wayne chatter [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► and I really want to know who voted for [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► this episode we didn't want the answer [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► is Dan and David both voted for nick of [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► time so they're gonna have to explain [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► themselves justify this is one of my [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► all-time favorite episodes because yeah [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► I like terrible things [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► no there is well Shatner Shatner and you [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► know there's only so much you can do but [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► this is one of the episodes where maybe [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► it's supernatural [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► maybe it's not yes but it works either [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► way and it works beautifully if it's not [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► supernatural it's about the dangers of [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► blind faith and superstition right get [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► in superstition right and and there is [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► nothing supernatural going on if if you [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► want to see it that way if you want to [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► say ok the little fortune teller machine [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► is is controlled by Satan and it's [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► keeping them in this town but it's not [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► it's just shatters character gets a [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► fortune from it and goes hey I'm [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► connecting this to things that are [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► actually happening I'm justifying the [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► order up i'm figuring out like a full of [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► reading or something it's fraudulent [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► yeah it's all it's all in his head it's [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► all superstition and magically gets the [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► more the more that happens the more he [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► slips into the mania of it and his wife [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► is trying to pull them back out and [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► finally breaks breaks the spell near the [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► end and at the very end you know they're [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► like okay okay we're gonna walk out of [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► here and as they walk out we see another [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► couple come in and sit down and and the [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► guy just does the fortune machine and [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► says can we leave town today and the [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► Machine basically says it is not likely [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► or something like that and and it's like [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► okay here's a look at the slip and [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► you're stable just deflate right right [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► thats that's the one part of this [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► episode I like is the couple at the end [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► at like 10 seconds at the end when the [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► couple comes in trying to escape the [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► town [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► ok dad Dan why did you pick next time [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► well for me it was definitely there was [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► a nostalgic element to it so I I [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► definitely remembered it more finely [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► that I probably think of it now after [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► having more just watched it but because [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► i think this definitely fits we were [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► talking earlier about [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► you know the the episodes that fill the [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► time just right versus those that are [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► crammed in versus those I think like [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► this one that are that are don't have [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► quite enough material for ya think it [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► has a great button at the end and and [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► you know that last you know four minutes [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► of it is is fantastic but there is no [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► there is a little bit of a slog even [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► with the 25-minute show i think i tapped [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► the apple TV remote a couple of times [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► where somewhere [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► yeah i mean the the acting is not great [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► well it seems to have actually learn his [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► lines for this one though [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► yeah there are multiple let's show you [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► doing a good job but let's details we [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► get the itemized bill of their time at [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► the diner at one point I don't have [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► stated that yeah you're now looking at [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► the world's youngest office manager [TS]