0:00:03the incomparable number 285 January 2016
0:00:11welcome back everybody to be
0:00:13uncomfortable i am your host Jason L we
0:00:15are here to convene an addition of one
0:00:18of the most venerable of incomparable
0:00:19clubs the comic book club ye old comic
0:00:22book club
0:00:23joining me to talk about uh we're going
0:00:27to read two traits or we've already read
0:00:28them but we recommend that you read them
0:00:30ms marvel by G willow Wilson volume 1
0:00:33and 2 is what we're going to be
0:00:34discussing the issue that's issues 12 11
0:00:38if you prefer the single issues in paper
0:00:40or digital but there are readily
0:00:42available trade paperbacks of of ms
0:00:44marvel actually four volumes but we're
0:00:47just going to talk about the first two
0:00:48we recommend you read them we're we're
0:00:50talking about them because we like them
0:00:51so you go read them and come back
0:00:53perhaps and listen to podcast after you
0:00:54do read them and and to talk to to me
0:00:58about this
0:00:59joining me for the conversation our
0:01:01star-studded group led by led by in in
0:01:06my order first in the order in which
0:01:09i'll introduce them Tony sindelar hi
0:01:11tony i would not attracted me first this
0:01:13is that was a classic first-round draft
0:01:15hello nerds
0:01:16these are just introductions although I
0:01:17like the way you think that every time
0:01:19i'm interested in introducing a panel on
0:01:20the incomparable it's really a little
0:01:22draft it's not it's just introducing
0:01:25people
0:01:26Lisa Schmeisser is out there I wouldn't
0:01:28do a comic book club with at least that
0:01:30lisa has been part of the comical club
0:01:32since the very beginning
0:01:33hello hi this is the best book club ever
0:01:36yeah it is it is weary comics and then
0:01:39we talk about the monopod county also
0:01:41joining us for our comic book club uh
0:01:44one returning comic book club member she
0:01:47was on I think maybe the last comic book
0:01:49club we did it's shannon sudderth hello
0:01:52ave keys and a brand new comic book club
0:01:56member its lien sims hi hi welcome to
0:02:00the club
0:02:01yay I'm so excited he remembers heard it
0:02:05was written on the back of an old comic
0:02:07book and that's amazing no uh-huh effect
0:02:11sound effect rustling rustling anyway we
0:02:14are here to talk about ms marvel of G
0:02:17willow Wilson this is so ms marvel has a
0:02:19a long history
0:02:22dating back to the seventies when what
0:02:24if we had a superhero up a lady
0:02:27superhero with the newfangled title ms
0:02:30that was pretty much the whole concept
0:02:32at that point it was like the feminist
0:02:34superhero in a very 70 sort of sense and
0:02:37I oh I'm old enough to remember that I'm
0:02:39old enough to remember the ads for that
0:02:41in the in the marvel comics but that was
0:02:44Carol Danvers who has gone on to get
0:02:47promoted to be captain marvel with it
0:02:50thanks to the death of the old Captain
0:02:51Marvel Comics what you're going to do
0:02:53and so ms marvel was laying there as a
0:02:57as a unused property in heaven forbid
0:03:00that Marvel Comics will leave any of
0:03:03their intellectual property unused so
0:03:05interesting thing happens
0:03:08g willow Wilson comes in and revives the
0:03:11ms marvel label with a story about a
0:03:15young woman from New Jersey she is
0:03:18muslim she's from her family's from
0:03:20Pakistan and she's growing up in New
0:03:23Jersey and her family's fairly
0:03:24conservative and one day she's out on
0:03:26the streets of New Jersey and gets
0:03:28enveloped in the Terrigen mists because
0:03:32Marvel doesn't do mutants anymore they
0:03:33do in humans and she's granted powers
0:03:37and and and uses as her sort of ideal of
0:03:41who she'd like to be Carol Danvers in
0:03:44her more classic ms marvel appearance
0:03:47and that begins the story of young
0:03:50Kamala Khan and learning about being a
0:03:53teenager with superpowers in a very
0:03:54traditional in some ways Marvel Comics
0:03:56setup of being the the the teenager who
0:03:59has to juggle their personal lives along
0:04:01with their superpower responsibilities
0:04:03it's a it's an interesting mix of things
0:04:05we haven't seen for marvel comics before
0:04:07and things that go back to the beginning
0:04:09of the modern marvel comic line so
0:04:12that's ms marvel in a nutshell
0:04:15I'd like to thank my guests no no reason
0:04:19he was like a little bit about your your
0:04:21thoughts about ms marvel to kick us off
0:04:23I love this book so much for so many
0:04:26reasons and I was a fan of g wilson when
0:04:30she was writing for vertigo she wrote a
0:04:31series called air that being on classic
0:04:35to go tradition it's really weird really
0:04:36fast but she you know she's always had a
0:04:39real skill for plotting and nice
0:04:42dialogue it zippy but not to reflexively
0:04:46smart-aleck II and what I really like
0:04:50you can never go wrong with a villain
0:04:52with the head of it but they have a
0:04:53cockatoo
0:04:54but what I weird what I loved about it
0:04:57is it is such a compassionate book like
0:05:01that is the word that kept popping back
0:05:03when i was reading it over and over
0:05:03again because the parents aren't
0:05:06monsters here you know the moment in the
0:05:09mosque is not a monster like the classic
0:05:12premise seems to be Kamala's like what I
0:05:14feel very awkward because you know i'm a
0:05:16Pakistani girl and most limited school
0:05:18that's predominantly white I don't fit
0:05:20in my parents of all these expectations
0:05:22my religion has expectations but the
0:05:26message that she gets from the people
0:05:27that she's the most worried about
0:05:28disappointing on the message that she
0:05:31gets there very supportive messages it's
0:05:33just be compassionate do the right thing
0:05:36and so long as you're doing with the
0:05:37right intentions and you're doing an
0:05:39honorably you're going to be fine
0:05:40whatever you do and that they're so
0:05:44unintentionally supportive it's it's
0:05:45against a really compassionate way to
0:05:47look at it entire the entire community
0:05:48people around Kamala and I liked her
0:05:52heard I liked her take on very much like
0:05:55look just because we're generation looks
0:05:56at our phones doesn't make us worthless
0:05:58and just g wilson had tremendous amount
0:06:03of sympathy for like everybody in the
0:06:04book from almost every angle there there
0:06:07are a few over bad guys in classic
0:06:08marvel tradition but like nobody come on
0:06:13his life is malicious they're supportive
0:06:14in their own way you know she's got the
0:06:15best friend that goes on and it was the
0:06:18kind of book where I'm really looking
0:06:20forward to reading it trade by train
0:06:22just to just to slip back into this
0:06:23universe where people know each other
0:06:24and look out for each other and offer
0:06:27new perspectives on what it means to
0:06:30become an adult because of all this book
0:06:32is about is how you become an adult with
0:06:34the radical transformation from child to
0:06:36adult what you stand for
0:06:37I think it's interesting that you
0:06:38mentioned that the parents because I
0:06:39that the parents are a complication not
0:06:41because they're bad because it gets
0:06:43awfully complicated when you're a
0:06:45teenager and you have to sneak out in
0:06:46order to be a superhero
0:06:48yeah they're they're not there they're
0:06:50annoying because their parents not
0:06:51because they're jerks or media or or
0:06:53even because their organ because they're
0:06:55Muslim like exactly you know that's Adam
0:06:57as a matter of fact one of the things i
0:06:59like is how it points out that her faith
0:07:01can actually be something that helps you
0:07:03become a better superhero because
0:07:05religion and marble they have like a
0:07:07really weird to rocky history like the
0:07:08guy i can remember really ham-handed
0:07:10x-men plot worker bogner is being
0:07:12manipulated by like a rogue faction of
0:07:15the Catholic Church installed as a pope
0:07:17of and no I kid you not like this is
0:07:20something that went on like in the last
0:07:2115 years to which is bonkers but you
0:07:24know generally speaking they tend to
0:07:25treat religious a wildcat wild-eyed
0:07:27cultures are doing things and I don't
0:07:29think we've ever had an examination of a
0:07:32mark a superhero who doesn't exist in a
0:07:35vacuum or an origin story but rather has
0:07:37a very complicated background that she
0:07:39really loves and doesn't want to leave
0:07:40when she she has the-the-the i forget
0:07:46what his title is I'm gonna get screwed
0:07:48basically they basically say you need to
0:07:49go talk to the guy at the mosque the
0:07:52Imam yeah isn't my mom and she's like a
0:07:55man like the Intel in the every role
0:07:59role in my role of a teenager just like
0:08:01kind of going to make me
0:08:03it turns out he is the wisest of all and
0:08:07and she gets the most out of him and
0:08:09it's such a nice moment where you've
0:08:10been set up as Oh even more
0:08:12complications she's being sent to the
0:08:13principal's office essentially by being
0:08:15told you need to go talk to your mom and
0:08:17he's and he's like you have things to do
0:08:20your being responsible
0:08:21somebody's going to come and train you
0:08:23basically an basically be you will talk
0:08:25to overrate later
0:08:27yeah I even get to how much i love that
0:08:30plot yes yes that was hilarious just
0:08:34bringing in it was the perfect foil and
0:08:38it was like such a nice inversion of
0:08:39Wolverines relationship with other young
0:08:42women that he had where you know he
0:08:43takes on Kitty Pryde and trains her or
0:08:45he takes on Jubilee and train sir um and
0:08:48this time you know it was interesting
0:08:51because it's like I don't want you to
0:08:52grow up too fast but he's also like
0:08:54hyper aware that because he wasn't
0:08:55healing factor anything she's going to
0:08:57have to take the lead both tactically
0:08:59and superhero wise
0:09:01and I i liked the inversion because
0:09:04Wolverine is is I feel sometimes like
0:09:06he's a little bit of a deus ex machina I
0:09:08like when in doubt throw the
0:09:09invulnerable fighting machine at
0:09:11somebody and it's nice that they didn't
0:09:13do that and I really love the dynamic
0:09:15and i like how again compassionate
0:09:18because he's like I just don't want you
0:09:19grow up too fast you don't need to be
0:09:20exposed to things before you're ready
0:09:22and then when he handles the Inhumans
0:09:24he's like no respect her wishes should
0:09:26do this independently and they do
0:09:29yeah some of my favorite panels are in
0:09:31those scenes to I just like there's one
0:09:34that's like in a dodge speak so she's
0:09:38like really excited there's like dodge
0:09:40panel and then and there is a panel
0:09:43where they're like weaving their way
0:09:45from the lower levels of the sewer up to
0:09:47the top of certain yes so so well done
0:09:50it's just you know this conversation and
0:09:52it just flows across this two-page
0:09:54spread really naturally it's easy to
0:09:56read but it's just it it's amazing like
0:09:59i love it i just said i stare at that
0:10:01panel i like when they first meet and he
0:10:04like grabs the the alligator and it's
0:10:06like punching and she's like I don't I
0:10:07don't want to punch it out like a she's
0:10:11good yeah no no it's fine if it's no
0:10:14effect that he had alligators and lasers
0:10:17on their heads all i could think it was
0:10:18some austin powers and shark see how
0:10:20hard is it to get destructive frickin
0:10:22lasers
0:10:23I like the inventor I mean I just I had
0:10:26assumed that you know i like that we get
0:10:29a new superhero and a new villain in the
0:10:32ceramic right it's not just like you
0:10:34know you have to work your way up
0:10:35fighting the see list of Marvel villains
0:10:37that are available for us you know but
0:10:39no the-the inventor when we talk about
0:10:41Runaways you know we're talking about
0:10:42sort of new characters in a new setting
0:10:44that still has some marvel stuff in it
0:10:46and I was reminded of that because again
0:10:48you've got a young hero here but also
0:10:50that it's a new setting and it's not
0:10:51even though
0:10:52yes we're talking about the two issues
0:10:54were Wolverine drops in which is a lot
0:10:55of fun but but the the big picture is
0:10:59that it's it's you know that the
0:11:01inventor that it's much will be a new TV
0:11:04series or something right there's a
0:11:05there's a big bad in the first few you
0:11:07know in the first few trades and he's
0:11:09new and she's new and the supporting
0:11:12cast is new and there are a few
0:11:13characters that come in from our
0:11:14cool but it's not just another remix of
0:11:17existing marvel stuff which is it's kind
0:11:20of funny because it's like that the
0:11:21jersey city's setting where they're like
0:11:23across the river from New York City and
0:11:25it's like we're in the shadow of the
0:11:27Marvel Universe but like we're also like
0:11:28you know we're not that far you can
0:11:30drive to the marvel universe from where
0:11:32we are but you can see that there are
0:11:33but there are no other superheroes in
0:11:35jersey city
0:11:36well there's that heartbreaking one
0:11:37where they said yeah but capes and
0:11:39tights crowd doesn't take much interest
0:11:40in missing children and I was like that
0:11:43that's one little line but that says so
0:11:45much about the inequity the inequality
0:11:51that's in antiquity really that's built
0:11:53into the marvel vs that were and the
0:11:55fact that the guides that Kamala has
0:11:57gotten from the adults that she trusts
0:11:59around her all her life have driven her
0:12:01say no I'm staying in jersey city this
0:12:03because they need me here like rather
0:12:06than be just another human or just
0:12:08another Avenger i'm going to take care
0:12:11of my home and my school and actually do
0:12:13something and like the when when Bruno
0:12:15first finds out and asked her how she
0:12:17had she's wondering how she's gonna
0:12:19superhero and he's like you can always
0:12:21hold press press conferences like Tony
0:12:22Stark
0:12:23ok just let you know you encapsulate you
0:12:25know the the arrogance or the on the the
0:12:27privilege
0:12:28yes that character has the thing i love
0:12:30so much about it is it and it's about
0:12:33compassion and hope like it the heart
0:12:35it's it is about growing up but it's
0:12:37about equally like figuring out how to
0:12:41how to be compassionate how to be true
0:12:43to yourself and and how do how to hold
0:12:47out hope in the face of like dire
0:12:50straits you know there's some pretty
0:12:51major things that happen
0:12:53it looks pretty bad towards the end the
0:12:56the things we're not talking about in
0:12:57this particular episode bit like it's
0:13:00like oh I'll hoping lost and and she's
0:13:04still like know where we're doing this
0:13:06thing and that's the thing i love so
0:13:09much as that and especially since and
0:13:12with what's happening in the real world
0:13:14right now with the tension between you
0:13:16know the United States and Muslim
0:13:18populations and you know it's i don't
0:13:22know i think that there's there's
0:13:24something here that we need to take away
0:13:26the the importance of having us
0:13:28table and supportive environment for
0:13:29kids is what actually comes through and
0:13:32i think another reason this book feels
0:13:34so refreshing is um I'm a huge longtime
0:13:38leader of the x-men and I'm i think this
0:13:41might actually be the first teenage
0:13:43origin story that so far has not
0:13:46included dead parents estranged parents
0:13:48parents will blind you from the get-go
0:13:50parents were members of a cult cult
0:13:52parents were members of who heard
0:13:54time-traveling members from a generation
0:13:55direction here anyways
0:13:57no and I'm thinking about like even in
0:14:00the New Mutants you have sam three who
0:14:01goes to work in mind because his dad is
0:14:03killed and you know Danny Moonstar like
0:14:06her parents turn into the ghost bear you
0:14:08no apologies are spoiling up a series
0:14:10that's spoiler two years old these new
0:14:13yes mam rain Sinclair was cast out onto
0:14:16the moor is ungodly and beaten by
0:14:18Reverend until she was adopted by you
0:14:20know where a tagger then there's all the
0:14:22classic x-men origins stories and again
0:14:25The Runaways or you look at the Avengers
0:14:27where tony stark and his father front
0:14:28relationship and by contrast you know
0:14:31Kamala is surrounded by people who love
0:14:33her and support her and I think for a
0:14:36lot of readers that's actually a lot
0:14:37more relatable and this may actually
0:14:40provide a guide as to how to become your
0:14:43own person
0:14:44well you know also being able to hold
0:14:47onto the things that you draw strength
0:14:49from and that you love and that you
0:14:50treasure so this feels like a radically
0:14:52different book to me in you know
0:14:54compared to the classic teams that have
0:14:56people the Marvel Universe Runaways
0:14:58cloak-and-dagger for example you
0:14:59anything else
0:15:00yeah i was reading ms marvel vol 1 i'd
0:15:03also just read the new background vol 1
0:15:06which I like but it's it doesn't have
0:15:10the same kind of joy that this is that
0:15:12it's also liked the character is like
0:15:14very much a hipster and it made me feel
0:15:16old so even though this character is
0:15:18younger like that the story is just much
0:15:20more full of like fun enjoy and and you
0:15:23want to root for them in a way that you
0:15:24know if i'm not anti hero but but I
0:15:26particularly want to root for this
0:15:28character I mean just even the moment
0:15:30where she kind of you know she's in you
0:15:32know the the right place at the right
0:15:33time to save not her friend like her
0:15:36classmate and realizes like the feeling
0:15:38of saving that that girl is like that is
0:15:40what i want to
0:15:41all the time basically like that like
0:15:43that felt really powerful first compared
0:15:46to other stories especially because like
0:15:48she's a kid and she's just trying to
0:15:50make her way
0:15:51well i just love as a fan of spider-man
0:15:54from way back
0:15:55who likewise comes his parents are dead
0:15:57he's being raised is uncle is dead now
0:15:59he's just being raised by his aunt but
0:16:01it reminded me of that in the sense that
0:16:03the burden that that Kamala carries it
0:16:06reminded me of parkersburg a little bit
0:16:08there's not there's not guilt there but
0:16:09the point is her parents are
0:16:11disappointed in her because they think
0:16:13she's sneaking out to do bad things when
0:16:15in fact the sad thing that she can't
0:16:17really reveal to them is that she's
0:16:19sneaking out to do good things and her
0:16:22brother who is very religious and kind
0:16:25of super holier-than-thou right and
0:16:28super slacker than that taking yeah
0:16:30right at me and he's like you know I'm
0:16:33I'm cool I'm cool one here I'm the one
0:16:35that everybody loves and you know she's
0:16:38the one who's out there doing this then
0:16:39and I love that tension right that that
0:16:42you know she can i'm not i'm not sure I
0:16:44entirely by how I just can't tell anyone
0:16:46my secret because there's way too many
0:16:47secrets in fiction or reality that don't
0:16:50make sense hello I'm looking at you all
0:16:52the air the flash and arrow by the way
0:16:53home to many secrets but mom but it is a
0:16:57beautiful bit of tension for her that
0:16:58she is she is it her parents don't care
0:17:01that she's sneaking out to do good even
0:17:03if they knew because she's sneaking out
0:17:05alive
0:17:06I think the reason she doesn't tell them
0:17:08is because she knows if she did they
0:17:09would worry even more like it's easier
0:17:11for her to have her parents mad at her
0:17:13than ever parents worried about her
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0:18:36alongside what tony was saying and she's
0:18:39so relatable to me as a nerd
0:18:41mhm you know she's the first thing she
0:18:44does she's like okay like I i I've got
0:18:46the superpower now I need to go to the
0:18:47internet and figure out what's happened
0:18:49since you can like queries
0:18:51yes she's writing fanfiction she's ready
0:18:54and yes she plays world of battlecraft
0:18:57into someone who uses a world of
0:18:59warcraft I'm like yes you know in in her
0:19:02fan fiction is like the Avengers on a
0:19:04unicorn homeworlds like I mean it's just
0:19:07I relate to this you know twice your age
0:19:10but I'm like I relate to you Kamala Khan
0:19:12yeah very much so that early leader but
0:19:14yeah
0:19:16hello Wilson just so nails current
0:19:19teenage a internet culture in so many
0:19:22ways with all of the reference which is
0:19:23hard yeah it is hard
0:19:25I feel like a lot of people kind of a
0:19:26pit and this comes across as like no you
0:19:29don't you don't actually get what this
0:19:30looks like right you're just you know
0:19:32mix mix it together buzzwords to try and
0:19:34convince that you do they just make
0:19:36dismissive comments about emoji and make
0:19:38it is what is driving this reason
0:19:39they're you get this is this is what a
0:19:40teenager is like what it and it's not
0:19:42just it's not just a ploy in order to
0:19:45have her be more of an outsider which
0:19:47would which is another way they could do
0:19:48it right and say well you know she's a
0:19:50nerd and she's she's a Muslim and all
0:19:52these ways where she's being ostracized
0:19:53like she's got her friend group she you
0:19:56know and and she walks the walk she is
0:19:58she's a dirty person and that's true but
0:20:01she does all the nerdy things and she's
0:20:03she's a fully-realized person in that
0:20:04way and it's not just a let's you know
0:20:07let's put
0:20:08again let's put glasses on Peter Parker
0:20:10and people will beat him up and and you
0:20:11know and put them over in that box she
0:20:13she we see her being nerdy kid and not
0:20:18having a problem with it's like these
0:20:19are the things she does she writes fan
0:20:20fiction and she plays video games and
0:20:22it's fine it's all fine
0:20:24yeah and even the other kids around her
0:20:26you know that they're not bullying her
0:20:30they're just being snotty I'm you know
0:20:33miss concerned role that just you know
0:20:35that they're only because it's that the
0:20:38other girls only so perfectly that she's
0:20:40just blindly and you know half aware and
0:20:43half ignorant and mushes it altogether
0:20:46and just keeps shoving her foot down her
0:20:48throat you know that even those
0:20:50characters are nicely rounded and be
0:20:54like you said it's not the old classic
0:20:56simplistic you know we're gonna go beat
0:20:58up on the nerdy people instead you know
0:21:00we're going to think we are being
0:21:02supportive and think we're being helpful
0:21:03and then we're just being as jerky is
0:21:06anybody
0:21:07mhm what do you think about the about
0:21:11that so we're in her origin she gets
0:21:12exposed to the Terrigen mists and and
0:21:16what happens to her first I and I think
0:21:18this is really interesting is she
0:21:20becomes carol danvers as ms marvel she's
0:21:23blonde and your big blond beautiful you
0:21:27know white cartoon your comic book sir I
0:21:30this is this horrible outfit the classic
0:21:34marvel outfit right me the the little
0:21:37drapey thing in the whole it's going to
0:21:39register the tactical advantage that
0:21:41sash distraction is all i can think of
0:21:44consistently or was there a
0:21:46manufacturing defect and that's to hold
0:21:48it up
0:21:48I don't know but I think it's really
0:21:50interesting because it's about a you
0:21:53know this is a story about identity to
0:21:55and it's interesting I i'm interested in
0:21:58the fact that she doesn't manifest
0:22:00powers she manifests as up another
0:22:04superhero like this is this is who she
0:22:07wants to be and it's not Kamala Khan
0:22:09that saves that school made its carol
0:22:11danvers essentially as Marvel yeah
0:22:12that's like her first instinct is you
0:22:15know to become her idealized idea of the
0:22:20other one superhero is
0:22:21and you know it takes a while to figure
0:22:24out that no i don't have to be you know
0:22:27that person I don't have to be someone
0:22:29else i can do this my way I can be
0:22:31myself and still do this so i think
0:22:34that's just sort of a natural part of
0:22:35you know a teenager going for what they
0:22:37think they want and then learning me
0:22:40know that I'm okay this isn't doesn't
0:22:42fit like I thought it would and they
0:22:44gradually got come around to find what
0:22:47does fit for them
0:22:48one of the things i remember from
0:22:49adolescence is how people tried on and
0:22:52constructed different identities all the
0:22:53time and how code they were like the
0:22:56theater kids have their own distinct
0:22:58look and feel and you know the the crew
0:23:02team that understands look and feel and
0:23:04then you have the the heart the hardcore
0:23:06you know skater crab hypocrite and so on
0:23:08and so forth and this seems to be almost
0:23:10a metaphor for that we're because you
0:23:12know Kamala's already pitch and holds
0:23:14that were at school like when she tries
0:23:16on the Carroll debt Danvers identity
0:23:18then discovers it doesn't fit you know
0:23:20this is just another part of being you
0:23:22know just another part of cycling
0:23:23through those those identities i was
0:23:26also think it was a good thing she did
0:23:27that first because if you had Kamala
0:23:28Khan running around saving people like
0:23:30that before she really knew how to
0:23:31master her powers or how to get away
0:23:32from the scene that would have been just
0:23:34like it would've been a three-issue
0:23:35serious run but that didn't happen so it
0:23:39was just it was it was nice tight
0:23:41plotting and that's another thing i
0:23:42really like about this book is how
0:23:43intelligently it's structured because
0:23:46you know every beat is is perfectly
0:23:48timed it perfectly placed there's no
0:23:50there's no slow laggy spots and there's
0:23:52no issues that feel too crammed full
0:23:54it's just really nicely paced yeah i
0:23:57mean vol.11 hugo award right
0:24:00yes I believe so yes you did when I got
0:24:03that said that the pics that the guy
0:24:04with the head of a cockatiels never not
0:24:06going to be funny though people okay so
0:24:09that the it's a very active when your
0:24:11blood that thinks it's thomas edison
0:24:14already as Thomas Edison it is time I
0:24:16don't want some Thomas Edison but the
0:24:18club managed to get some cockatiel DNA
0:24:20doesn't like the Flies origin stories
0:24:23yeah okay so acceptable
0:24:25yeah since I don't adorable i don't know
0:24:28there are some scenes were like the
0:24:29tongue was loling and I was like now I
0:24:32do maybe I don't need that
0:24:35well it's somebody's a little freaked
0:24:36out by birds i think so i don't i don't
0:24:41love I don't love that character i have
0:24:43to sound I think that that's the thing I
0:24:46like least in this whole first story arc
0:24:48is the the inventor himself although it
0:24:51is a bizarre reveal that he is Thomas
0:24:55Edison would you go figure
0:24:57so many questions that's a little played
0:24:59out for you Jason
0:25:00yeah I thought many times are seeing you
0:25:03know you know there was the there was
0:25:05the squirrel Nikola Tesla I would be a
0:25:07pigeon Nikola Tesla obviously no no it's
0:25:10just love that dare not speak its name
0:25:11between schools and pigeons what are you
0:25:13talking about Tony I know you were on
0:25:14this I I just he's just kind of boring
0:25:17though i mean i know i don't i don't
0:25:19find him a particularly compelling
0:25:22villain on honestly and I i thought it i
0:25:24think it probably took a long time to
0:25:26get to where the plot was kind of
0:25:28grinding away on that that that was and
0:25:30maybe this says something about how much
0:25:32more interested I am in kamala finding
0:25:34herself than I am in this initial arc
0:25:36with this initial set of villains and
0:25:38then kidnapping the kids and her her
0:25:40going to investigate then he and there's
0:25:43a fake-out right where it's like we
0:25:44think we're gonna get a resolution but
0:25:46it turns out that he's just been
0:25:48watching her and there's more to come
0:25:50and then she has to do another thing and
0:25:51I just I wasn't interested in that like
0:25:54I was with her story and and so in the
0:25:56end I you know every time that the
0:25:58inventor would appear to be like shut up
0:26:00bird with that Jason I actually that
0:26:03that's something when i was listening my
0:26:04pluses and minuses for the book my
0:26:06biggest minus was that when it turned
0:26:09back towards the typical comic book hero
0:26:13fight villain kind of thing I felt like
0:26:15it lost a bit of the personality
0:26:17I mean you just that the funniest things
0:26:20to me up for the inventor was basically
0:26:22when Kamala would point out your bird
0:26:24and he get mad you know his I've been
0:26:26studying you and here's some other
0:26:28weakness I found you know that got old
0:26:30for me quite a bit but i am not a bird
0:26:35yeah but throw it in his face that he's
0:26:37a bird and that was funny and that I
0:26:39like any losses my agree with what
0:26:42you're saying about about
0:26:44it's sort of losing its way a little bit
0:26:46during that part the Inca it is he
0:26:48probably hang around a lot longer than
0:26:50you know he's probably he's kind of one
0:26:53joke villain and we get the joke about
0:26:55four times so i think some people some
0:26:57people like that you and he doesn't seem
0:26:58to be that much of a mastermind
0:27:01no I mean yeah well I wondered when
0:27:04Thomas Edison turned really evil like
0:27:06you know how did some she not going to
0:27:08reduce your water on industry watch
0:27:11drunk history math tells you everything
0:27:13you need to know what they really just
0:27:15did inventors episode where they tell
0:27:17you what a rotten terrible person Thomas
0:27:19Edison was in stealing the patent for
0:27:21the telephone
0:27:22ya ali and how many how many elephants
0:27:24do you have to kill before you before
0:27:25you judge someone as evil as the answer
0:27:27is one
0:27:28the answer is 11 college kill any
0:27:32elephants really that's because you're a
0:27:34superhero not a super villain island
0:27:36that's the litmus test how many
0:27:38elephants would you kill 0y a superhero
0:27:40i cannot pass yeah sure
0:27:42sweet use your cape fitting isn't it was
0:27:45a chart it's like 0 and then 1 2
0:27:47everything else about should not onto
0:27:50almost rockers good job Tony the
0:27:54elephant scale it's it's common commonly
0:27:56note i I'm what do you think about one
0:27:59of the things that I think is
0:28:00interesting about the models powers is
0:28:02that she is she's able to kind of just
0:28:05transmuted her potty and all sorts of
0:28:07wacky ways and given the art style of a
0:28:09lot of these issues I think you wanted
0:28:12some with Adrian our phones are
0:28:13especially new is it kind of lightens it
0:28:16again it has a personality of its own
0:28:18that she's got these like super wacky
0:28:20like a big hands and long legs and stuff
0:28:25that that is it's really dynamic and it
0:28:27doesn't really remind me of anything
0:28:29I've seen before I guess their moments
0:28:30where I think you know this could be
0:28:32like when Reed Richards stretches it's
0:28:35just like he's like a rubber band played
0:28:37or something when she doesn't it's it's
0:28:39dynamic she's you know she's gotta see
0:28:41has mass and goof late
0:28:43yeah like that's a real thing is that
0:28:44like she's like like when her hands
0:28:46giant and she can't control it like it
0:28:48is awkward and not just like you know
0:28:50awkward she's I mean awkward teenager
0:28:52put in manifested into powers right
0:28:54everything and all your body body parts
0:28:56are doing wrong
0:28:56Fang and I really enjoyed that uses that
0:29:00she loses this uses simpsons reference
0:29:02within biggin yes but yea disabilities
0:29:05been stressed isn't big enough you can
0:29:07get you should get back but I mean not
0:29:09to get too much down the old literary
0:29:11analysis of there but I i like that
0:29:13because I feel like that actually said
0:29:14something about her at any teenagers
0:29:17fundamental kind of disconnect from from
0:29:19the themselves in their body that she's
0:29:21she's she's goofy and it and funny
0:29:24looking at times even when she's
0:29:25exercising powers and saving people
0:29:27because that's what it's like to be a
0:29:29teenager is you not all all perfect and
0:29:31her powers aren't the kind of super
0:29:33gleaming perfect kind of powers that a
0:29:35lot of superheroes have their there a
0:29:37little bit goofy and that's just she
0:29:38that's just turned that sushi I look
0:29:40flawless well i generate Cyclones this
0:29:43benefit thing
0:29:44yeah but i also love how come you know
0:29:46as she's learning her power she's also
0:29:48you know she's a nerd she's knows her
0:29:51science and she's trying to apply things
0:29:53you know ok more mass miracles equals
0:29:55hate more force longer legs made you
0:29:57know technically I'm not running faster
0:29:59but i'm running farther things like that
0:30:01you know and then it occurs to hurt you
0:30:03know 20 swell her head and then head but
0:30:05the the giant robot and discover yeah
0:30:07that hurts but um but it works things
0:30:11like that and the fact that she you know
0:30:13it takes her of what once in awhile
0:30:14takes awhile to realize wait a minute i
0:30:16can shrink too and this time that works
0:30:19that the fact that she can go both ways
0:30:21that she can make herself bigger she can
0:30:22make herself tiny and figure out what
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0:31:17wolverine thing you know they're they're
0:31:19dropping down i don't know a story or
0:31:21two into the water of the sewer and
0:31:23she's like oh you know like I need to
0:31:25shrink so i can break the surface
0:31:26tension with you know about killing
0:31:29myself and I I i like that it its and
0:31:32yeah it's kind of science ii it's quick
0:31:34thinking too and I appreciate that where
0:31:37you know a lot of i'm new to comics but
0:31:40the ones i've read often times it's just
0:31:42like well you know like I'm going to do
0:31:44a thing and the thing is done and you
0:31:48know and kind of like the internal
0:31:49thought process that we get with Kamala
0:31:51she's like oh this is why I'm gonna do
0:31:53this thing she's new hero to so she's
0:31:55the idea is also figuring it out which
0:31:57is which is fun to see indeed we talked
0:32:00about in humans a little bit yes please
0:32:03it wasn't Lisa I know it's gonna have
0:32:05been about this is not a mutant she's an
0:32:06inhuman there's a charity charity and
0:32:08missed there's a whole overarching
0:32:10storyline that is not really that
0:32:12important to the to the particular story
0:32:14here other than that it's the it's the
0:32:16method by which she you know it's not
0:32:18bitten by a radioactive spider or hit by
0:32:21toxic waste or radioactive waste or
0:32:23whatever or born a mutant it's this mist
0:32:26that sort of activates her inhuman
0:32:28powers so there's that aspect of it
0:32:30which I think it's is a different sort
0:32:32of thing and then we do get later in the
0:32:34story line we get her interacting she
0:32:37has a large dog who visits her who is
0:32:39lock jaw who is one of the craziest and
0:32:42funniest characters in the Marvel
0:32:44history perfectly deployed if there was
0:32:46ever a book to have a connection with
0:32:50such a a delightful and goofy character
0:32:53as the giant inhuman dog with the tuning
0:32:57fork on his head
0:32:58it's it's miss marvel to perfect fit and
0:33:00ms hola
0:33:02jalisa inhuman stuff thoughts about that
0:33:04when I centimeter and inhuman and it's
0:33:07such a smart origin story in so many
0:33:09ways because so you can have you can
0:33:10have humans popping up to the entire
0:33:12series run because look those Terrigen
0:33:13mists long way but my other thought was
0:33:16wow this is really opens up the door to
0:33:18having her in future
0:33:20mar MCU movies because and or two
0:33:23TV show because they've taken her out of
0:33:25the that they took her out of the
0:33:27classic you know it's it's a team let's
0:33:29go with all the teams doing freaky
0:33:31things off to Charles Xavier you go
0:33:32um and I was thinking about this and was
0:33:36like we can see come on a common
0:33:38adventures movie which honestly using I
0:33:40would know I was thinking about this and
0:33:42I was like okay my and I apologize for
0:33:46being from it by promising me back to UM
0:33:48one of the things that as a viewer of
0:33:52the MCU I'm beginning to get a little
0:33:53bit tired of is it's basically a bunch
0:33:55of people who are my age who haven't had
0:33:57a carb since the bush administration who
0:33:59are you who are you know busy shooting
0:34:02arrows and running around the suit or
0:34:04hulking out or whatever and I thought
0:34:06this is kind of ridiculous city all ages
0:34:08and what we need to do is we need to see
0:34:10people who are younger or we need to see
0:34:12people who are different and you know
0:34:14not and not dudes and I get that they're
0:34:18ramping up on the human stuff in agents
0:34:20of shield which I'm still watching but I
0:34:21thought we've already established in
0:34:23humans are in this universe like that's
0:34:24what agents of shield has done
0:34:26why can't we see come on in a movie and
0:34:29and I thought and and I thought will
0:34:31meet this book was kind of launched that
0:34:32intention was sort of a backdoor like
0:34:35it's all it was a huge splash she gave
0:34:37you and comics but it's kind of like a
0:34:38sort of well she's well established in
0:34:41my life in fandoms there's no reason for
0:34:42her not to be included as opposed to if
0:34:44they had just thrown her into an
0:34:46avengers movie or one of the MC movies
0:34:48early on i think the focus would not
0:34:51have been on like what a great character
0:34:53she is and when interesting and fresh
0:34:55backstory and what inventive way she
0:34:58uses to do her job within like oh it's a
0:35:00Muslim team and like it it would not but
0:35:03you know she's gonna get a safe launch
0:35:06as it were
0:35:07that said always but I i'm always been
0:35:10fascinated by the Inhumans just because
0:35:12it's such a weird whack-job promise like
0:35:15Black Bolt alone i'm like what the what
0:35:18the aliens but their honor their kind of
0:35:21human-like but there's a mean it sounds
0:35:23like a weird royal dynasty scheming
0:35:25thing going on you've got a dude who
0:35:27literally can't say a word because if he
0:35:28does he destroys the universe but he's
0:35:30married like the chattiest woman on the
0:35:32planet and
0:35:33and she's got hair that doesn't
0:35:34something and a big dog
0:35:37alright I'll of lavo is adorable and you
0:35:40know Medusa's just kind of wack job
0:35:41herself it's like is it like this is
0:35:44somebody who every time I look at videos
0:35:46I'm like listen to log for a most don't
0:35:48you and I fight I read I but I'm
0:35:51thrilled that come on was actually an
0:35:53inhuman because like one that when it
0:35:56finally hits her to it's going to be
0:35:57another piece of identity that she's
0:36:00gonna have to reconcile with being a
0:36:02desi girl in America and with being
0:36:05Muslim and being a jersey it--and then
0:36:07she's going to have to go out do I you
0:36:09know how do I break my parents that I'm
0:36:10also apparently part alien
0:36:13well which means but some of them are 22
0:36:15yeah yeah I I as a fan of Buffy I i
0:36:20always think of these stories being
0:36:21perfect for TV to idea that you can do
0:36:23it because then you have the ongoing
0:36:25story let's look at spider-man movies
0:36:28you know they tried to tell the story
0:36:29but in a movie in two hours it's a lot
0:36:31harder to get that rhythm that we see
0:36:32actually in these Marvel stories where
0:36:35she's living day to day and having to go
0:36:37about you know navigating her tortured
0:36:40high school just existence as a high
0:36:42school student along with being a
0:36:44superhero and so that was that was the
0:36:45thought that I had was you know this
0:36:47really would make a great CW show it
0:36:49would be a funny video
0:36:50yeah exactly better than Supergirl I'd
0:36:53love to see it because you know again
0:36:55and i have to say i have a lot of
0:36:57admiration for how carefully Marvel has
0:36:59architected out its expansion in both
0:37:02film and TV like it's really well
0:37:04thought out and you can and it's fun to
0:37:06watch them laying the groundwork but the
0:37:08characters tend to skew classic in sku
0:37:11old and I would really like to see
0:37:13someone might come on Alec on where
0:37:15instead of it taking place in New York
0:37:16City you know it would be interesting to
0:37:20see if societies that one of the more
0:37:22established characters if as a
0:37:24fish-out-of-water the same way Wolverine
0:37:26was and they discovered that there are
0:37:28people who are just gonna kind of
0:37:29quietly doing their thing no big deal
0:37:32Kamala Khan just happens to be this
0:37:33Marvel who's taking care of you know
0:37:35Jersey City and I i really want to see
0:37:38more of her United too especially you
0:37:41know what the Marvel Cinematic Universe
0:37:42I mean shield i think does a fairly okay
0:37:44job and you know we don't
0:37:46a lot of younger people you know we've
0:37:51got people in the 20 in their twenties
0:37:52but not like teenagers not kids and and
0:37:57you know the movies are just I mean
0:37:58they're fun I like them but like you
0:38:00said it's a bunch of of dudes talking
0:38:03about things and you know we've got the
0:38:05one woman we've got you know Black Widow
0:38:07and we don't we can't even get like her
0:38:09on the t-shirts figurines or whatever so
0:38:11if we could have something daddy has a
0:38:14Marvel movie keeps getting pushed
0:38:15further and further out and it's going
0:38:17to be Carol Danvers who's in earth and
0:38:19maybe part of it is the squeamishness
0:38:22about well what if we have somebody
0:38:24who's a minor was putting herself in
0:38:27really dangerous situations like that
0:38:28that could be uncomfortable but they
0:38:31actually handled that really well like
0:38:32in one of the spider-man movies I'm i
0:38:34think was like spider-man 2 like after
0:38:36he saves a train and pn you know he
0:38:38passed out my car people like holy crap
0:38:40he's really young home and maybe that's
0:38:43actually something that the MCU needs to
0:38:45reckon with which is that if you're
0:38:46going to recruit people who aren't yet
0:38:48adults there are moral and ethical
0:38:50ramifications to putting these people in
0:38:52danger way I always remember the scene
0:38:54and I think it's actually multiple
0:38:55scenes in an ultimate spider-man where
0:38:58Nick very shows up to like try and
0:38:59recruit spider-man to be part of the
0:39:01Avengers and he's like I just gotta
0:39:02finish high school man
0:39:03no yeah i have a lab report of working
0:39:08on yeah that's right yeah I gotta find
0:39:09here i have to do calculus
0:39:11yeah yeah yeahs a sidestep NEX movie
0:39:14when x-men movies when you look at it
0:39:15because they had a really clear division
0:39:17between leg the working excellent here
0:39:19running on the leather and glare alot
0:39:20and the students who you know or are
0:39:22kind of doing an ad-hoc thing and to be
0:39:26fair they have a division in the comic
0:39:27books as well but I i think it's
0:39:29something that you're going to have to
0:39:31see a TV show or a comic book or a movie
0:39:33about these people deal with at some
0:39:35point which is some again when you're
0:39:38throwing teenagers at super villains or
0:39:40natural disasters like you know are
0:39:43there like do you ever draw a line you
0:39:45know what's the issue of consent and I
0:39:48see what you're saying but there have
0:39:49been things like the power rangers and
0:39:52you know they're there
0:39:54there's some precedent you know not
0:39:56necessarily in the Marvel Universe but
0:39:58there is some entertaining
0:39:59and precedent for having teenagers in
0:40:02potentially dangerous situations and you
0:40:04know is goofy you know even as a kid
0:40:05watching power rangers I'm like yeah
0:40:07this is totally goofy know it and you
0:40:09can make that distinction i think but
0:40:11you know there's they can do it
0:40:14lake maybe they're definitely might need
0:40:16to think about it a little bit but I
0:40:17definitely think they should do it like
0:40:19a cute is I'm telling you do this
0:40:21because yeah live the world needs some
0:40:24miss marvel like me as Marvel mass
0:40:26consumption of miss murkly yeah yeah
0:40:28there was a throwaway line and Kevin
0:40:29Smith running green arrow like a decade
0:40:31ago where he's looking back through his
0:40:33rogues gallery or what have you and he
0:40:35like gets the seventies where he's got
0:40:37speediest the sidekick and Batman had
0:40:40Robin and like he actually is a
0:40:41conversation with someone who's like I
0:40:43really don't know what we were thinking
0:40:44pulling these kids into battle with us
0:40:45and you know that was the first was like
0:40:49yeah it's kind of jacked up because you
0:40:51know when you are kidding your teenager
0:40:53reading this of course you want to get
0:40:54out there like through the eighties
0:40:56Kitty Pryde's readiness for the ex was a
0:40:58huge plot point all the way through like
0:41:00it was one of the big plot engines on on
0:41:02the new x-men but what I like here is is
0:41:04Kamala is so thoroughly and obviously a
0:41:06teenager first and and you know I I feel
0:41:11like that's something that is going to
0:41:12give us a lot of plot cheese and that's
0:41:14actually something where if she gets
0:41:16integrated into the wider marvel
0:41:17universe and i'm talking like i just
0:41:20read the first two trails over the first
0:41:213 i'm not sure if she gets married to
0:41:24the whole wider Marvel Universe you know
0:41:25someone somewhere is gonna have to say
0:41:27dude she's a sophomore in high school or
0:41:29did she's a junior in high school you
0:41:30know that's what i wanted to mention
0:41:31next which is where Kamala Khan goes
0:41:33from here because when we when we did
0:41:34our episode about the runaways
0:41:37one of the challenges we had is as that
0:41:39run went along and and since that run
0:41:42has ended
0:41:43we've seen them used and there's this
0:41:45thing where you go from being the star
0:41:47of your own story where you like the ms
0:41:51marvel book all four traits are like
0:41:53this that whole series
0:41:55she's the star of the story and she's in
0:41:57the marvel universe and we can have a
0:41:58Wolverine drop in and we can have
0:41:59lockjaw and Medusa drop in but it's cold
0:42:02it's Kamala story and with Runaways they
0:42:04ended up being sort of like and some
0:42:06other people stories and it kind of got
0:42:08messy and not as good and that's what I
0:42:10wanted to ask is is you know
0:42:12there is a new Marvel series that jill
0:42:16wilson is is writing that came out the
0:42:19first issue of which came out last week
0:42:20so following the for trades that are
0:42:23available from the previous run they've
0:42:24gone back to a new number one but she's
0:42:26also in the all-new all different
0:42:28Avengers which is not your typical
0:42:30Avengers book it's it's like kid
0:42:33Avengers sort of because the young nova
0:42:36and and and ultimate spider-man or in it
0:42:39too but still does it does that give you
0:42:42is that good news that she's getting
0:42:44wider a wider view in Marvel or is it
0:42:48problematic in the sense that it's now
0:42:50she's just another cog in the machine i
0:42:53could see that being a really narrow
0:42:55tightrope good that yeah they may not
0:42:59big on the one hand yet more exposure
0:43:02for this really cool character on the
0:43:04other hand you know if you let her as
0:43:06you said if you let them get too deeply
0:43:08into the wider universe you lose you
0:43:11lose the jersey girl then just makes
0:43:14this book so much fun and so refreshing
0:43:16so yeah that's how yeah that's gonna
0:43:19that's gonna be interesting to watch
0:43:21your favorite band you know when they
0:43:23get when they make it big
0:43:24today through it they start to stock the
0:43:27question right it's like oh good I'm
0:43:29glad you like Kamala Khan so much you
0:43:31put her in the Avengers are it was that
0:43:34going how's that going to be
0:43:35it was like a suppose it's the same
0:43:37problem with you know when they start
0:43:39integrating the new mutants into the
0:43:40x-men and these characters i had gotten
0:43:43very attached to wear all of a sudden
0:43:44just basically oh you're in the b-list
0:43:46the x-men you know we we throw you at
0:43:48the problem when the market people are
0:43:50off fighting on the other people and I
0:43:53worry that Kamala to hear they've got so
0:43:55many different ventures titles that you
0:43:57know the the core group of that is the
0:43:58three young heroes and then it's like
0:44:00the new Thor and the new captain america
0:44:03the Falcon but it will be interesting to
0:44:06see what they do there because that that
0:44:07is the concern is that isn't you know
0:44:09now it's not Wilson writing Kamala Khan
0:44:12it's mark waid writing her and and she
0:44:15will have interactions with with Miles
0:44:18Morales which is great but it's not
0:44:19brian michael bendis writing Miles
0:44:21Morales it's mark waid writing Miles
0:44:22Morales so you know it could be good but
0:44:25it could also just be nice
0:44:26I don't it doesn't necessarily detract
0:44:28from the stories that we tell told
0:44:29elsewhere but it is that that you know
0:44:31it gives me gives me a little bit of
0:44:33pause i guess a bit of a pause because
0:44:35i'm kind of curious to see how how or if
0:44:38Mark Waid treats Kamala's background and
0:44:41her faith and her support system as
0:44:43relevant to herself as a character in
0:44:45his universe
0:44:46well if as a family kingdom come if
0:44:49you've ever wanted to see a mark waid
0:44:51comic with an alex ross cover that
0:44:54features Kamala Khan it is all new all
0:44:56different adventures number one which
0:44:58just came out so you can check that out
0:45:00and yeah it'll be interesting to see
0:45:03yeah it kind of goes back to what tony
0:45:04was saying earlier the the the author
0:45:07who can genuinely capture the feel of
0:45:10this team voice vs the author who you
0:45:13know has heard the words and tosses them
0:45:15in because that's what it sounds like
0:45:17one of the creators were work
0:45:20essentially g wilson being the creator
0:45:22of Kamala Khan being being I mean I like
0:45:25Miles Morales is a character a whole lot
0:45:27but he's not as good when it's not brian
0:45:29michael bendis because that's the guy
0:45:30who made Miles Morales he's the guy and
0:45:33you know it's funny that he appears
0:45:35elsewhere but it's not the same and
0:45:36that's my that's my concern about Kamala
0:45:38being run out elsewhere is that it's you
0:45:41know it's not Wilson doing it you know
0:45:43in the DC Universe I always feel the
0:45:45same way whenever I'm oracle or black
0:45:48canary are not written by gail simone
0:45:49because I don't get it she works so hard
0:45:51to be have this character and so so
0:45:55there's and that's actually an
0:45:57interesting discussion which is some
0:45:58whether or not your connection to
0:46:00characters rises and falls depending on
0:46:03his writing them you know I don't know
0:46:05because that was Peter David did the
0:46:08fantastic series X Factor investigations
0:46:11and the way here it's jamie madrox that
0:46:14whole series is really enjoyable and I
0:46:16have like that character before apple
0:46:19before or since like but the one peter
0:46:21david took him and and explain who he
0:46:24was and what he was doing and you know
0:46:26what drove him and what questions he
0:46:28grappled with and what meaning he's
0:46:29trying to write from his life
0:46:31it was really compelling and I'm sure we
0:46:34all have characters where you you know
0:46:36it just clicks with a certain writer and
0:46:37then when they pass it off again you're
0:46:39like okay this could be it
0:46:40no it's not with me but it also kind of
0:46:43worried about presumably i don't i don't
0:46:46know the author but like a presumably
0:46:47middle-aged man riding a teenage girl
0:46:50no you know I read every jessica jones
0:46:52and comics in the ugly or the lead-up to
0:46:56the Netflix series and alias in the
0:46:59pulse I had some really big problems
0:47:01about the way Jessica Jones was written
0:47:02and I think part of that was due to just
0:47:05like gender differences and I'd like I
0:47:09don't know what that says about me but
0:47:10I'm thinking okay part of what I really
0:47:12love about Kamala Khan is how accurately
0:47:14like kind of those those identity things
0:47:16I faced and were portrayed and you know
0:47:19things about like dating and boys and
0:47:21that kind of thing and it is is a guy
0:47:24going to be able to capture that because
0:47:26there are cultural differences you know
0:47:28between the way women and men for girls
0:47:30and boys and grow up and so that that is
0:47:33a concern I have
0:47:35well Wilson is not just a woman but
0:47:38she's Muslim and so she understands she
0:47:42is uniquely not well there are other
0:47:44Muslim comic book writers and their
0:47:46other women complicating there maybe
0:47:47even other Muslim women comic book
0:47:49writers I don't know offhand but she has
0:47:51a very special perspective that she's
0:47:53able to lend to come on jaan that I i'm
0:47:57mark weight is a is a good writer and he
0:47:59da and Marvel mean depending on how they
0:48:01do it in this maybe also one of those
0:48:03things where they're like you know talk
0:48:05to Willow about how you handle Kamala
0:48:07like she's yeah maybe the kind of brand
0:48:10steward for ms marvel like you need to
0:48:12talk to her you need to you know we're
0:48:14gonna check in with her and and if if
0:48:16they're doing it that way
0:48:17that's the right way to do it i think to
0:48:19make try to have her be consistent and
0:48:20handles right but it definitely is a
0:48:23concern when babies characters escape
0:48:25into the wider universe its it he's
0:48:28she's gonna be written by a 53-year old
0:48:30man who's who's got a great history with
0:48:33some a lot of the classic franchises and
0:48:36so perhaps this is seen as a vote of
0:48:37confidence where they like look mark
0:48:39wait did great things with with other
0:48:42with other titles like he did a lot of
0:48:43good work on the flash she's done great
0:48:45work with Superman j SI jala he even
0:48:48revive the
0:48:50Legion of super-heroes thank you yes he
0:48:53had a book like that very you know
0:48:54because he's done to us but very kitten
0:48:56that are pretty compelling and all that
0:48:58um that said one hopes he's grown since
0:49:02the days he wrote empire with Kitson and
0:49:06he depicted the teenage girl therein as
0:49:09a psychotic master because he did not
0:49:13have a bead on any of the female
0:49:14characters in that book whatsoever--like
0:49:16it's it's it's moderately interesting
0:49:17because the book is about oh what's life
0:49:19like under the regime of a supervillain
0:49:21has told from the supervillains
0:49:22perspective um but like there are
0:49:25teenage girls in that book is main
0:49:27characters and i remember reading it and
0:49:30thinking this is not like any teenage
0:49:32girl
0:49:34I have ever known or been admit you are
0:49:38you're like an alien who has come to
0:49:40this planet and tried to put together
0:49:42teenage girls and all you had for your
0:49:44source material or like to back copies
0:49:46of a sweet valley high series a Nancy
0:49:48Drew and good but so I really hope
0:49:52that's not the same as any other
0:49:54thoughts about Miss Marple other than I
0:49:56mean like I said at the beginning people
0:49:58should read it people should read all
0:49:59four volumes quite frankly my only one
0:50:01my wife is not it is not here because
0:50:03she's already fulfilled her contractual
0:50:05obligation to appear on one podcast and
0:50:07only one is a year and then trust me she
0:50:10doesn't that was she negotiated that
0:50:12down from a higher number two as low as
0:50:15i would allow it to go but she not a
0:50:18comic book reader lean I mean it's funny
0:50:20that you mentioned that Lauren has not
0:50:21been a cockroach never grew up with
0:50:23comic books and that's all the
0:50:24children's librarian she has tried to
0:50:26get into the graphic novel thing so she
0:50:27can be knowledgeable about that and she
0:50:29loves miss marvel absolutely loves it
0:50:32she's got vol.4 on you know on waiting
0:50:35for her at the library for the next time
0:50:36she drops in there it's a yeah yeah it's
0:50:39it so i think i think that's one of the
0:50:41great things about about this book and
0:50:43why people should pick a number is that
0:50:44it's a it's not it's a self-contained
0:50:46story it's not something you've seen
0:50:47before and it's really just executed so
0:50:49well and it's pretty
0:50:51can we talk about the hard for me let's
0:50:52do this yes oh my god Adrian telefona
0:50:56because i read the ship had showed me
0:50:59show me and told me to read like the
0:51:01first two or three issues some time ago
0:51:03and I didn't I was like yeah this is
0:51:04cool but life happens work happened and
0:51:07I didn't pick it up again until a time
0:51:09to read for the podcast and I read it
0:51:11earlier this week and it was enjoying it
0:51:14thoroughly and then I went back today
0:51:15and I was on ships ipad going panel by
0:51:19panel looking at all of the detail that
0:51:22Adrian alfano works into this story I
0:51:26don't know how much of it came from
0:51:27Wilson script I don't know how much of
0:51:29it was his imagine use the owl on the on
0:51:32the pier when she saves her her
0:51:34classmate check out the owl it is this
0:51:36adorable like miyazaki owl that has no
0:51:39reason to be there it's just yet and
0:51:41there there's so many things like that
0:51:43like the crowd scene with the kids all
0:51:45gathered on the waterfront you've got
0:51:48Warner Brothers dancing frog in the
0:51:50crowd there and it looks like Johnny
0:51:53Storm is there somebody who is on fire
0:51:55it looks like it's johnny storm is just
0:51:56hanging out in a corner would love it
0:51:58turns out Johnny Storm like it's a
0:51:59jersey city because you like really
0:52:01likes your mother or something
0:52:02yeah it's just you know all sorts of
0:52:04oddball things like that their little
0:52:06piggies in the last like the last volume
0:52:09i started looking and I'm like they're
0:52:11they're just random piggies like a guy's
0:52:13holding a pig under his arm movement in
0:52:16the background that I think it connected
0:52:19because there's the stuff in her room
0:52:20there she's gonna pick with wings
0:52:22stuffed animal she's got the stuffed
0:52:24porcupine with the Hulk hands and
0:52:26honored you know all kinds of things
0:52:28like that there's an ad in her dad's
0:52:30newspaper for GMOs the cereal and I'll
0:52:33yeah issue later there's a bong sitting
0:52:35there while she's eating it you know the
0:52:38consistency of all those details is just
0:52:40so much fun to look at and look for
0:52:44after you've read the book and yeah you
0:52:46go through it again that the signs in
0:52:48the windows
0:52:49you know like all these things about
0:52:51what is the wedding industry there's all
0:52:52these little bits and pieces about you
0:52:54know somebody in arranging Asian
0:52:55weddings because they're always
0:52:57advertising them it's just it's
0:53:00hilarious
0:53:01I think he also captures youthful energy
0:53:03really well because he was my favorite
0:53:04artists on the on the runaways and he
0:53:07manages to capture the kinetic feeling
0:53:09but of being a teenager in a really
0:53:12great way but what's amazing is I didn't
0:53:14read it and think oh this is the
0:53:16runaways this is Runaways art right it
0:53:18is not it it blew my mind was like a
0:53:21telephone is that the front always
0:53:23artist yeah
0:53:24and yet they don't it doesn't it doesn't
0:53:27look the same to me it doesn't see me at
0:53:29all and like I mentioned that whole
0:53:31kinetic you know the super stretching
0:53:33weird shapes and sizes of parts of her
0:53:36body issues exhibited her powers
0:53:38it's so it's it's not what we're used to
0:53:41seeing from comic book art at all and
0:53:43yet it is really it's fun and gets
0:53:46across what's going on with Kamala and
0:53:48her powers and if there were two issues
0:53:51and what we read done by a different
0:53:53artist James Wyatt I believe in the name
0:53:56Tom and he was the one responsible for
0:53:59the the ten i thought it was a tinted
0:54:01Maj the the tunneling up from the sewers
0:54:05her and Wolverine going through as the
0:54:06conversation flowed but he also had a
0:54:08neat trick
0:54:10we're just every once in a while you
0:54:12know the the art just completely goes
0:54:14goofy cartoony and it's all of all
0:54:16things come on his face or the
0:54:18characters face looks like an emoji yeah
0:54:20you can animate look and they're working
0:54:22away from the deformed yeah yeah yeah
0:54:25that's right it's not often enough to be
0:54:28annoying but every once in a while I
0:54:30think that's what helped make the book
0:54:31feel so fresh to is because it doesn't
0:54:33feel like classic comics it it feels
0:54:36very cosmopolitan in a sense a look at
0:54:38the visual influences you've cited by
0:54:40like you know
0:54:41anime emotion is Aoki I mean none of
0:54:44these have their roots in celbridge
0:54:45products and maybe it was one of the one
0:54:48of the matt fraction hawk-eye
0:54:51collections had a Hawkeye book comic
0:54:53that he didn't write in there like
0:54:55included in the collection and after
0:54:57reading something like that and then
0:54:58getting to the like the classic comic
0:55:00book art with the like super anatomical
0:55:02detail of the like listening muscles and
0:55:05stuff it's like it's it's really jarring
0:55:06and I don't I don't I don't like it
0:55:08anymore so yeah I guess I was gonna talk
0:55:10to a stop to the local commonplace and I
0:55:13was talking with the person behind the
0:55:15counter we were talking about like how
0:55:17dramatically are the art comic art in
0:55:20general seems to have changed like in
0:55:21the last two decades but to get to miss
0:55:24marvel this doesn't scan like again like
0:55:28classic marvel art and i like how Kamala
0:55:31is in no way shape or form sexualized
0:55:35and um yeah and again I came up reading
0:55:38x-men and New Mutants through the
0:55:40eighties and nineties and even as a
0:55:42teenager like you know and mind reading
0:55:44about other teenagers they were drawn
0:55:46like full-grown developed women and it
0:55:49got a little weird every once in awhile
0:55:50because you have over 90 kitty pryde you
0:55:53can't go into battle and like there she
0:55:55is and what basically amounts to a
0:55:56bathing suit and knee-high boots go
0:55:58ahead and and she looks like barbarella
0:56:00just like why not and you know it's it's
0:56:03the the art feels really fresh and very
0:56:05cosmopolitan and
0:56:07I i think it adds to the overall
0:56:09relatability the story like i can see
0:56:12myself giving these these trades to
0:56:14people who don't read comics at all i'm
0:56:16going to seriously this is really
0:56:17presented beautifully
0:56:19what do you think well I really sucked
0:56:21me and I've never really read comics i
0:56:23have written about it i haven't had
0:56:24growing up I didn't have the opportunity
0:56:26to read them they just weren't sold they
0:56:28weren't in my local library like it was
0:56:31for boys right like it was just
0:56:32implicitly for boys and where I grew up
0:56:35and so I never and then I got into you
0:56:38know my twenties and thirties and I was
0:56:39like it's too much work like their
0:56:41devices heart and so I never did you
0:56:44know it's just like I have other things
0:56:45to do i'm not even gonna bother with
0:56:47this so i started and well i started
0:56:49with alias in the pulse so it's really
0:56:51just been since the beginning of sep
0:56:52tember and I don't want to disclose how
0:56:54much I've spent on comics since then but
0:56:56later yeah yeah yeah it started with a
0:56:59release in the pulse and then i read
0:57:01miss marvel and I just sucked it down I
0:57:03was like this is amazing and now i'm
0:57:05circling around and I've been reading a
0:57:08captain marvel today every like 20
0:57:10issues for Captain Marvel today things
0:57:12marvel unlimited of it so you can put
0:57:15the art style i'm reading it and i'm i'm
0:57:18i'm looking at the 2012 and 2012 run is
0:57:22what I'm reading right now so it's like
0:57:23and you know Carol Danvers in this like
0:57:26bodysuit and she's got like these really
0:57:29prominent abs and very well-defined
0:57:31boobs and I'm like welcome to comics
0:57:35yeah that's gross in it it's like it's a
0:57:38it's an interesting story but I'm
0:57:40finding I find myself that i'm not but i
0:57:42find myself not looking at the art very
0:57:44much
0:57:44oh it's you find a book illustrated by
0:57:46great land no don't you know and it yeah
0:57:51i mean the story's great I i find that
0:57:53i'm really loving Kelly Sue's writing so
0:57:56you have read but all the run of bitch
0:57:58planet so far and like am really into it
0:58:01and I just can't look at the art and and
0:58:03I know that is vastly improved from you
0:58:05know before the before times long long
0:58:08ago but it's just weird and everybody
0:58:12just I don't know it's another thing I
0:58:13really love about miss marvel
0:58:14yeah i agree the incomparable this week
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0:58:27links before we go I let's do a quick
0:58:31round of what you're reading a lien
0:58:33we've heard I think everything that
0:58:34she's been reading record but if there
0:58:38are any comics that are out there that
0:58:39you'd like to recommend to people before
0:58:41we go I think this would be a great time
0:58:43Shannon you have anything else that
0:58:44you're that you're reading right now i
0:58:46just bought Sandman overture but the
0:58:48hardback came out yesterday i've read
0:58:50like the first four issues and then we
0:58:53lost track and like didn't buy a couple
0:58:54so I'm looking forward to reading that
0:58:57next
0:58:58alright Lisa what are you what are you
0:59:00reading that's interesting and worth
0:59:01people checking out as as people have
0:59:04heard out many times I came up on Marvel
0:59:06and i'm reading over Tony send or tell
0:59:09me to read right now frankly I was like
0:59:10oh man please don't say the things that
0:59:12like I told you read and now i can't say
0:59:14i have nothing
0:59:15lisa is dangerous no it was at least I
0:59:18only read the things you tell me to read
0:59:20by the ideas coming the gift of the magi
0:59:23situation crazy
0:59:25let's see I think I've read about the
0:59:27wicked the divine before so I'm eagerly
0:59:29awaiting the next trade compilation for
0:59:31that and i finally got my last trade for
0:59:35Hawkeye was a real Broadway it's called
0:59:37yeah and so finishing out that series
0:59:40and i really love how that ended and i'm
0:59:42kelly and that put on your list Hawkeye
0:59:44yeah okay i think he was going to visit
0:59:47me because i have a library of all of
0:59:49these before but I i seriously okay
0:59:53so-so the cmn series was on sale
0:59:57comiXology so i spent 72 dollars buying
0:59:59that
0:59:59that
1:00:00lake that's a habit as a bargain that is
1:00:03very I'm that'sthat's that wasn't in the
1:00:04budget i'm kind of out of control with
1:00:06comics now i need to adjust intervention
1:00:08you know what yeah you got into the
1:00:10wrong way to like it's 10 $72 to make
1:00:13myself a better person I would have
1:00:14already read can't do that again and I
1:00:17paid way more than 70 have the fancy
1:00:21hard books that are like seventy dollars
1:00:22each
1:00:23yeah my wish list for a really long time
1:00:25and then this happened and answers like
1:00:28a Mayan and you will get said what what
1:00:30I just do it please let us all enable
1:00:34you because you're awful you were not
1:00:37and I really appreciate it thank you
1:00:39if you need to put in writing letters so
1:00:43what super funny is that and I i watch
1:00:45out the classic my growl run is coming
1:00:48out slowly and trade paperbacks now and
1:00:50so I'm up to like trade paperback number
1:00:524 on that as well that has the hyper
1:00:54realistic anatomically detailed
1:00:56everybody looks like mr. universe some
1:00:58contestants are two it combined with
1:01:02nineteen eighties aesthetics but it's
1:01:04interesting because he had tried to
1:01:06write a book which is basically what
1:01:08happens if you have a couple vigilantes
1:01:11who have become kind of psychologically
1:01:12damaged by being vigilant days there d
1:01:14powered and they're living in seattle
1:01:16um and it was it such an egg's
1:01:19comparatively exotic setting and a
1:01:22pretty wild premise for the nineteen
1:01:23eighties and I i'm really enjoying this
1:01:24series
1:01:25um you know it's it's sort of the same
1:01:27thrill you get if you read a book that
1:01:29defined a decade
1:01:31you know like you go and you rebellion
1:01:33the dolls like oh my god son of the late
1:01:34sixties makes so much sense on the
1:01:36picture and this is like that for comics
1:01:38Tony what are you reading us so i would
1:01:42probably start to read
1:01:44yes but what we've talked about about
1:01:46Batman indeed i think some of that I
1:01:48don't know maybe that all gets edited
1:01:49out of that are Flashman yeah he will
1:01:54talk okay alright i recently read a I
1:02:00think the first three or four volumes of
1:02:03the new secret avengers which is there's
1:02:07there's a lot of different secret
1:02:08avengers and it's one of those things
1:02:09where they keep starting over
1:02:10yeah but the author for the ones i like
1:02:12is i
1:02:13khat KO tea and their their wacky i like
1:02:16i like superhero comics irie Batman and
1:02:19then I like things that don't take
1:02:20themselves too seriously like a balance
1:02:22it out and secret avengers is very wacky
1:02:25so it's you know sometimes it's trying a
1:02:26little too hard to be a fraction Hawkeye
1:02:29it's you know it's not there but it's
1:02:31still it's it's wacky and fun and I like
1:02:33it
1:02:33alright I got a I got a couple I i I've
1:02:36read I've enjoyed a couple issues of the
1:02:39the newest again because Marvel's
1:02:42recounting with from number one again
1:02:44the newest guardians of the galaxy
1:02:45series because it features Kitty Pryde
1:02:48and Ben Grimm which means that pretty
1:02:50soon they're going to be celebrating
1:02:51space Hanukkah very excited and that is
1:02:54literally brian michael bendis finally
1:02:56has executed on his plan to have
1:02:58Marvel's most prominent Jewish
1:02:59characters team up together and I think
1:03:01it's actually pretty cool and they're in
1:03:03space saving space invincible which lisa
1:03:08turned me onto a million years ago has
1:03:09had an enjoyable story arc that's about
1:03:11that's two-thirds of the way through now
1:03:12called reboot ? where the main character
1:03:15gets get its starting an issue 124 where
1:03:19the main character gets sent back to
1:03:21issue one of his own comic book except
1:03:24he remembers everything that's happened
1:03:26in the last hundred and twenty-three
1:03:28issues and so he tries to prevent the
1:03:31events of a hundred and twenty-three
1:03:33issues ago from happening and and it's a
1:03:37great knowing parody on comic book
1:03:40reboots and also a fun story where with
1:03:44where we get to go back to the beginning
1:03:45knowing what we know now and it's a
1:03:48Robert Kirkman just I love it supports
1:03:51my favorite superhero comic is great and
1:03:53this reboot thing is a really fun and
1:03:56really fun storyline and the other ones
1:04:00I mentioned least mention wicked in the
1:04:01divine i just finished vol.2 of that I
1:04:04have some issues with it but I i decided
1:04:06that i really want to know what happens
1:04:08next I think that's a good sign that I
1:04:09that I care about it's got some some
1:04:11things that I'm like yeah I don't really
1:04:13I'm not really sure why that's in there
1:04:15i think i think i'm picking up on Karen
1:04:17Gillan's tix and he's gotten tix that I
1:04:20don't particularly appreciate but
1:04:22overall I i think it's i think it's fun
1:04:25and weird and and I like that about it
1:04:29and total uh sort of friend of the
1:04:31podcast watch i just finished volume 2
1:04:33of the fuse by our friend and
1:04:35incomparable podcaster anthony johnson
1:04:38which is a the best the best space where
1:04:40you can read today it is really
1:04:42enjoyable space station mystery cop you
1:04:47are exactly right it's not really funny
1:04:49and so I think if you read killin
1:04:50McKelvey's phonogram which is about
1:04:53music and witchcraft and magic all of a
1:04:55sudden a lot of things and we can divine
1:04:57make a lot more sense because there they
1:05:00basically mind the same themes and they
1:05:02go into different directions with the
1:05:03two books and monogram is is is great
1:05:07especially for people who lived through
1:05:08the music scenes of the issues in height
1:05:10it is and um i will i will create a
1:05:13wicked and divine uh that uh the way
1:05:17it's constructed not only does every
1:05:18issue have a very great ending point the
1:05:21trades have fantastic the trades are
1:05:24broken at the big plot twists yeah
1:05:28really doesn't they do a very good job
1:05:30with that and the way it's structured
1:05:31where it's this pantheon of gods and you
1:05:33move through them one by one and it's a
1:05:35it's a very certainly ambitious and I
1:05:38like the ambition even though there's
1:05:39some things that bug thing might
1:05:42actually have two more and can i just
1:05:43want to take bailey what else have you
1:05:46read yeah yeah yeahs the unbeatable
1:05:48squirrel girl which I don't think is
1:05:51super awesome but I think it's pretty
1:05:52awesome and what I really like about
1:05:54that is she problem solvers rather than
1:05:57just hitting things like she hits things
1:06:00and then she's like wait what's another
1:06:01way we can approach this problem so I'm
1:06:04so yeah she sends one guy who's off to
1:06:06attack you know he's like I'm super
1:06:08strong and I can kill anything she's
1:06:10like well what about all these ocean
1:06:11things like the Leviathan and so he like
1:06:14goes to the ocean to attack them instead
1:06:16of people and so things like that i
1:06:18think are pretty cool and then gym and
1:06:20the Holograms is actually really really
1:06:22good really good
1:06:24ok I i'm ok i'm going to fill in and say
1:06:28444 my for my lovely wife she would like
1:06:31to endorse a lumberjanes as well which
1:06:34is allied with the first rain it was
1:06:36really fun at all Stevenson who did Mona
1:06:38which is fantastic if you haven't read
1:06:40Mona Mona now available as a book on
1:06:43paper after living its life as a
1:06:45webcomic and then to that I got
1:06:48recommended to me that i want to give
1:06:50kind of a quick a quick reaction to
1:06:54so-so paper girls it's set in and 1988
1:06:58and there's a there's a it's a they plug
1:07:00it as a standby me meets war of the
1:07:02worlds
1:07:03I thought it was okay kinda interesting
1:07:05see what he's trying to do with it
1:07:07didn't didn't love it but i liked it i
1:07:10also had we stand on guard recommended
1:07:12to me which also is bryan cave on and
1:07:14this is about a dystopian future where
1:07:16the United States has destroyed Canada
1:07:18but Canada is fighting back as they have
1:07:22resistance cells in the future and I
1:07:25don't I didn't like it i thought i
1:07:26wasn't very good and i don't recommend
1:07:28it so look there's me being mean it's
1:07:31good it's good to when authors swing and
1:07:34a Miss it's good to do that to ya
1:07:36Frankie von he's busy he's putting stuff
1:07:39out there he's not just doing saga he's
1:07:41got a lot of stuff going on
1:07:42I'm glad you talked about we stand on
1:07:44guard because i was intrigued by the
1:07:45premise and now I know to Justin to cool
1:07:48my jets on it for a while the first few
1:07:49pages of it like wow this is going to be
1:07:51amazing and then you get to the end with
1:07:53the actual story is more like an I
1:07:54always I was ya know so much but the the
1:07:58other one is more fascinating because it
1:07:59is an eighties nostalgia trip kind of
1:08:01thing and that's kind of interesting but
1:08:03and it's a it's like stand by me except
1:08:07all the characters are our girls not
1:08:10boys so that that's an interesting paper
1:08:12girl's gonna get paper they got a paper
1:08:14route they got here that says it's from
1:08:16the paper oh alright well I think we've
1:08:18done enough damage for one for one
1:08:21episode and it's been fun to talk about
1:08:23this tomorrow will be interesting to see
1:08:24where she goes next we'll have to be
1:08:26watching we're going to keep our ride
1:08:27expressed her
1:08:28yep alright i'd like to thank my panel
1:08:30for joining me in a completely other
1:08:33order that is not draft related at all
1:08:35Shannon center thank you so much for
1:08:36being here
1:08:37absolutely it's a pleasure Lisa
1:08:39Schmeisser thank you i had a great time
1:08:41with everybody
1:08:42this was fun we'll have to do it again
1:08:43what what we read next we'll have to
1:08:45figure that out only in Sims thanks for
1:08:48being here thanks for having me and I'm
1:08:50sorry that we are costing you so much in
1:08:51comics
1:08:52no not not only mildly sorry
1:08:55and we're friends not accounts sorry
1:08:57that's true that's true and Tony
1:09:00sindelar thank you
1:09:01a pleasure goodbye nerds goodbye nerds
1:09:03and I well I'll second that notion
1:09:05thanks to everybody out there for
1:09:06listening to be uncomfortable we will
1:09:07see you next time
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