The Incomparable

285: The Answer is One Elephant


00:00:03   the incomparable number 285 January 2016 [TS]

00:00:11   welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:13   uncomfortable i am your host Jason L we [TS]

00:00:15   are here to convene an addition of one [TS]

00:00:18   of the most venerable of incomparable [TS]

00:00:19   clubs the comic book club ye old comic [TS]

00:00:22   book club [TS]

00:00:23   joining me to talk about uh we're going [TS]

00:00:27   to read two traits or we've already read [TS]

00:00:28   them but we recommend that you read them [TS]

00:00:30   ms marvel by G willow Wilson volume 1 [TS]

00:00:33   and 2 is what we're going to be [TS]

00:00:34   discussing the issue that's issues 12 11 [TS]

00:00:38   if you prefer the single issues in paper [TS]

00:00:40   or digital but there are readily [TS]

00:00:42   available trade paperbacks of of ms [TS]

00:00:44   marvel actually four volumes but we're [TS]

00:00:47   just going to talk about the first two [TS]

00:00:48   we recommend you read them we're we're [TS]

00:00:50   talking about them because we like them [TS]

00:00:51   so you go read them and come back [TS]

00:00:53   perhaps and listen to podcast after you [TS]

00:00:54   do read them and and to talk to to me [TS]

00:00:58   about this [TS]

00:00:59   joining me for the conversation our [TS]

00:01:01   star-studded group led by led by in in [TS]

00:01:06   my order first in the order in which [TS]

00:01:09   i'll introduce them Tony sindelar hi [TS]

00:01:11   tony i would not attracted me first this [TS]

00:01:13   is that was a classic first-round draft [TS]

00:01:15   hello nerds [TS]

00:01:16   these are just introductions although I [TS]

00:01:17   like the way you think that every time [TS]

00:01:19   i'm interested in introducing a panel on [TS]

00:01:20   the incomparable it's really a little [TS]

00:01:22   draft it's not it's just introducing [TS]

00:01:25   people [TS]

00:01:26   Lisa Schmeisser is out there I wouldn't [TS]

00:01:28   do a comic book club with at least that [TS]

00:01:30   lisa has been part of the comical club [TS]

00:01:32   since the very beginning [TS]

00:01:33   hello hi this is the best book club ever [TS]

00:01:36   yeah it is it is weary comics and then [TS]

00:01:39   we talk about the monopod county also [TS]

00:01:41   joining us for our comic book club uh [TS]

00:01:44   one returning comic book club member she [TS]

00:01:47   was on I think maybe the last comic book [TS]

00:01:49   club we did it's shannon sudderth hello [TS]

00:01:52   ave keys and a brand new comic book club [TS]

00:01:56   member its lien sims hi hi welcome to [TS]

00:02:00   the club [TS]

00:02:01   yay I'm so excited he remembers heard it [TS]

00:02:05   was written on the back of an old comic [TS]

00:02:07   book and that's amazing no uh-huh effect [TS]

00:02:11   sound effect rustling rustling anyway we [TS]

00:02:14   are here to talk about ms marvel of G [TS]

00:02:17   willow Wilson this is so ms marvel has a [TS]

00:02:19   a long history [TS]

00:02:22   dating back to the seventies when what [TS]

00:02:24   if we had a superhero up a lady [TS]

00:02:27   superhero with the newfangled title ms [TS]

00:02:30   that was pretty much the whole concept [TS]

00:02:32   at that point it was like the feminist [TS]

00:02:34   superhero in a very 70 sort of sense and [TS]

00:02:37   I oh I'm old enough to remember that I'm [TS]

00:02:39   old enough to remember the ads for that [TS]

00:02:41   in the in the marvel comics but that was [TS]

00:02:44   Carol Danvers who has gone on to get [TS]

00:02:47   promoted to be captain marvel with it [TS]

00:02:50   thanks to the death of the old Captain [TS]

00:02:51   Marvel Comics what you're going to do [TS]

00:02:53   and so ms marvel was laying there as a [TS]

00:02:57   as a unused property in heaven forbid [TS]

00:03:00   that Marvel Comics will leave any of [TS]

00:03:03   their intellectual property unused so [TS]

00:03:05   interesting thing happens [TS]

00:03:08   g willow Wilson comes in and revives the [TS]

00:03:11   ms marvel label with a story about a [TS]

00:03:15   young woman from New Jersey she is [TS]

00:03:18   muslim she's from her family's from [TS]

00:03:20   Pakistan and she's growing up in New [TS]

00:03:23   Jersey and her family's fairly [TS]

00:03:24   conservative and one day she's out on [TS]

00:03:26   the streets of New Jersey and gets [TS]

00:03:28   enveloped in the Terrigen mists because [TS]

00:03:32   Marvel doesn't do mutants anymore they [TS]

00:03:33   do in humans and she's granted powers [TS]

00:03:37   and and and uses as her sort of ideal of [TS]

00:03:41   who she'd like to be Carol Danvers in [TS]

00:03:44   her more classic ms marvel appearance [TS]

00:03:47   and that begins the story of young [TS]

00:03:50   Kamala Khan and learning about being a [TS]

00:03:53   teenager with superpowers in a very [TS]

00:03:54   traditional in some ways Marvel Comics [TS]

00:03:56   setup of being the the the teenager who [TS]

00:03:59   has to juggle their personal lives along [TS]

00:04:01   with their superpower responsibilities [TS]

00:04:03   it's a it's an interesting mix of things [TS]

00:04:05   we haven't seen for marvel comics before [TS]

00:04:07   and things that go back to the beginning [TS]

00:04:09   of the modern marvel comic line so [TS]

00:04:12   that's ms marvel in a nutshell [TS]

00:04:15   I'd like to thank my guests no no reason [TS]

00:04:19   he was like a little bit about your your [TS]

00:04:21   thoughts about ms marvel to kick us off [TS]

00:04:23   I love this book so much for so many [TS]

00:04:26   reasons and I was a fan of g wilson when [TS]

00:04:30   she was writing for vertigo she wrote a [TS]

00:04:31   series called air that being on classic [TS]

00:04:35   to go tradition it's really weird really [TS]

00:04:36   fast but she you know she's always had a [TS]

00:04:39   real skill for plotting and nice [TS]

00:04:42   dialogue it zippy but not to reflexively [TS]

00:04:46   smart-aleck II and what I really like [TS]

00:04:50   you can never go wrong with a villain [TS]

00:04:52   with the head of it but they have a [TS]

00:04:53   cockatoo [TS]

00:04:54   but what I weird what I loved about it [TS]

00:04:57   is it is such a compassionate book like [TS]

00:05:01   that is the word that kept popping back [TS]

00:05:03   when i was reading it over and over [TS]

00:05:03   again because the parents aren't [TS]

00:05:06   monsters here you know the moment in the [TS]

00:05:09   mosque is not a monster like the classic [TS]

00:05:12   premise seems to be Kamala's like what I [TS]

00:05:14   feel very awkward because you know i'm a [TS]

00:05:16   Pakistani girl and most limited school [TS]

00:05:18   that's predominantly white I don't fit [TS]

00:05:20   in my parents of all these expectations [TS]

00:05:22   my religion has expectations but the [TS]

00:05:26   message that she gets from the people [TS]

00:05:27   that she's the most worried about [TS]

00:05:28   disappointing on the message that she [TS]

00:05:31   gets there very supportive messages it's [TS]

00:05:33   just be compassionate do the right thing [TS]

00:05:36   and so long as you're doing with the [TS]

00:05:37   right intentions and you're doing an [TS]

00:05:39   honorably you're going to be fine [TS]

00:05:40   whatever you do and that they're so [TS]

00:05:44   unintentionally supportive it's it's [TS]

00:05:45   against a really compassionate way to [TS]

00:05:47   look at it entire the entire community [TS]

00:05:48   people around Kamala and I liked her [TS]

00:05:52   heard I liked her take on very much like [TS]

00:05:55   look just because we're generation looks [TS]

00:05:56   at our phones doesn't make us worthless [TS]

00:05:58   and just g wilson had tremendous amount [TS]

00:06:03   of sympathy for like everybody in the [TS]

00:06:04   book from almost every angle there there [TS]

00:06:07   are a few over bad guys in classic [TS]

00:06:08   marvel tradition but like nobody come on [TS]

00:06:13   his life is malicious they're supportive [TS]

00:06:14   in their own way you know she's got the [TS]

00:06:15   best friend that goes on and it was the [TS]

00:06:18   kind of book where I'm really looking [TS]

00:06:20   forward to reading it trade by train [TS]

00:06:22   just to just to slip back into this [TS]

00:06:23   universe where people know each other [TS]

00:06:24   and look out for each other and offer [TS]

00:06:27   new perspectives on what it means to [TS]

00:06:30   become an adult because of all this book [TS]

00:06:32   is about is how you become an adult with [TS]

00:06:34   the radical transformation from child to [TS]

00:06:36   adult what you stand for [TS]

00:06:37   I think it's interesting that you [TS]

00:06:38   mentioned that the parents because I [TS]

00:06:39   that the parents are a complication not [TS]

00:06:41   because they're bad because it gets [TS]

00:06:43   awfully complicated when you're a [TS]

00:06:45   teenager and you have to sneak out in [TS]

00:06:46   order to be a superhero [TS]

00:06:48   yeah they're they're not there they're [TS]

00:06:50   annoying because their parents not [TS]

00:06:51   because they're jerks or media or or [TS]

00:06:53   even because their organ because they're [TS]

00:06:55   Muslim like exactly you know that's Adam [TS]

00:06:57   as a matter of fact one of the things i [TS]

00:06:59   like is how it points out that her faith [TS]

00:07:01   can actually be something that helps you [TS]

00:07:03   become a better superhero because [TS]

00:07:05   religion and marble they have like a [TS]

00:07:07   really weird to rocky history like the [TS]

00:07:08   guy i can remember really ham-handed [TS]

00:07:10   x-men plot worker bogner is being [TS]

00:07:12   manipulated by like a rogue faction of [TS]

00:07:15   the Catholic Church installed as a pope [TS]

00:07:17   of and no I kid you not like this is [TS]

00:07:20   something that went on like in the last [TS]

00:07:21   15 years to which is bonkers but you [TS]

00:07:24   know generally speaking they tend to [TS]

00:07:25   treat religious a wildcat wild-eyed [TS]

00:07:27   cultures are doing things and I don't [TS]

00:07:29   think we've ever had an examination of a [TS]

00:07:32   mark a superhero who doesn't exist in a [TS]

00:07:35   vacuum or an origin story but rather has [TS]

00:07:37   a very complicated background that she [TS]

00:07:39   really loves and doesn't want to leave [TS]

00:07:40   when she she has the-the-the i forget [TS]

00:07:46   what his title is I'm gonna get screwed [TS]

00:07:48   basically they basically say you need to [TS]

00:07:49   go talk to the guy at the mosque the [TS]

00:07:52   Imam yeah isn't my mom and she's like a [TS]

00:07:55   man like the Intel in the every role [TS]

00:07:59   role in my role of a teenager just like [TS]

00:08:01   kind of going to make me [TS]

00:08:03   it turns out he is the wisest of all and [TS]

00:08:07   and she gets the most out of him and [TS]

00:08:09   it's such a nice moment where you've [TS]

00:08:10   been set up as Oh even more [TS]

00:08:12   complications she's being sent to the [TS]

00:08:13   principal's office essentially by being [TS]

00:08:15   told you need to go talk to your mom and [TS]

00:08:17   he's and he's like you have things to do [TS]

00:08:20   your being responsible [TS]

00:08:21   somebody's going to come and train you [TS]

00:08:23   basically an basically be you will talk [TS]

00:08:25   to overrate later [TS]

00:08:27   yeah I even get to how much i love that [TS]

00:08:30   plot yes yes that was hilarious just [TS]

00:08:34   bringing in it was the perfect foil and [TS]

00:08:38   it was like such a nice inversion of [TS]

00:08:39   Wolverines relationship with other young [TS]

00:08:42   women that he had where you know he [TS]

00:08:43   takes on Kitty Pryde and trains her or [TS]

00:08:45   he takes on Jubilee and train sir um and [TS]

00:08:48   this time you know it was interesting [TS]

00:08:51   because it's like I don't want you to [TS]

00:08:52   grow up too fast but he's also like [TS]

00:08:54   hyper aware that because he wasn't [TS]

00:08:55   healing factor anything she's going to [TS]

00:08:57   have to take the lead both tactically [TS]

00:08:59   and superhero wise [TS]

00:09:01   and I i liked the inversion because [TS]

00:09:04   Wolverine is is I feel sometimes like [TS]

00:09:06   he's a little bit of a deus ex machina I [TS]

00:09:08   like when in doubt throw the [TS]

00:09:09   invulnerable fighting machine at [TS]

00:09:11   somebody and it's nice that they didn't [TS]

00:09:13   do that and I really love the dynamic [TS]

00:09:15   and i like how again compassionate [TS]

00:09:18   because he's like I just don't want you [TS]

00:09:19   grow up too fast you don't need to be [TS]

00:09:20   exposed to things before you're ready [TS]

00:09:22   and then when he handles the Inhumans [TS]

00:09:24   he's like no respect her wishes should [TS]

00:09:26   do this independently and they do [TS]

00:09:29   yeah some of my favorite panels are in [TS]

00:09:31   those scenes to I just like there's one [TS]

00:09:34   that's like in a dodge speak so she's [TS]

00:09:38   like really excited there's like dodge [TS]

00:09:40   panel and then and there is a panel [TS]

00:09:43   where they're like weaving their way [TS]

00:09:45   from the lower levels of the sewer up to [TS]

00:09:47   the top of certain yes so so well done [TS]

00:09:50   it's just you know this conversation and [TS]

00:09:52   it just flows across this two-page [TS]

00:09:54   spread really naturally it's easy to [TS]

00:09:56   read but it's just it it's amazing like [TS]

00:09:59   i love it i just said i stare at that [TS]

00:10:01   panel i like when they first meet and he [TS]

00:10:04   like grabs the the alligator and it's [TS]

00:10:06   like punching and she's like I don't I [TS]

00:10:07   don't want to punch it out like a she's [TS]

00:10:11   good yeah no no it's fine if it's no [TS]

00:10:14   effect that he had alligators and lasers [TS]

00:10:17   on their heads all i could think it was [TS]

00:10:18   some austin powers and shark see how [TS]

00:10:20   hard is it to get destructive frickin [TS]

00:10:22   lasers [TS]

00:10:23   I like the inventor I mean I just I had [TS]

00:10:26   assumed that you know i like that we get [TS]

00:10:29   a new superhero and a new villain in the [TS]

00:10:32   ceramic right it's not just like you [TS]

00:10:34   know you have to work your way up [TS]

00:10:35   fighting the see list of Marvel villains [TS]

00:10:37   that are available for us you know but [TS]

00:10:39   no the-the inventor when we talk about [TS]

00:10:41   Runaways you know we're talking about [TS]

00:10:42   sort of new characters in a new setting [TS]

00:10:44   that still has some marvel stuff in it [TS]

00:10:46   and I was reminded of that because again [TS]

00:10:48   you've got a young hero here but also [TS]

00:10:50   that it's a new setting and it's not [TS]

00:10:51   even though [TS]

00:10:52   yes we're talking about the two issues [TS]

00:10:54   were Wolverine drops in which is a lot [TS]

00:10:55   of fun but but the the big picture is [TS]

00:10:59   that it's it's you know that the [TS]

00:11:01   inventor that it's much will be a new TV [TS]

00:11:04   series or something right there's a [TS]

00:11:05   there's a big bad in the first few you [TS]

00:11:07   know in the first few trades and he's [TS]

00:11:09   new and she's new and the supporting [TS]

00:11:12   cast is new and there are a few [TS]

00:11:13   characters that come in from our [TS]

00:11:14   cool but it's not just another remix of [TS]

00:11:17   existing marvel stuff which is it's kind [TS]

00:11:20   of funny because it's like that the [TS]

00:11:21   jersey city's setting where they're like [TS]

00:11:23   across the river from New York City and [TS]

00:11:25   it's like we're in the shadow of the [TS]

00:11:27   Marvel Universe but like we're also like [TS]

00:11:28   you know we're not that far you can [TS]

00:11:30   drive to the marvel universe from where [TS]

00:11:32   we are but you can see that there are [TS]

00:11:33   but there are no other superheroes in [TS]

00:11:35   jersey city [TS]

00:11:36   well there's that heartbreaking one [TS]

00:11:37   where they said yeah but capes and [TS]

00:11:39   tights crowd doesn't take much interest [TS]

00:11:40   in missing children and I was like that [TS]

00:11:43   that's one little line but that says so [TS]

00:11:45   much about the inequity the inequality [TS]

00:11:51   that's in antiquity really that's built [TS]

00:11:53   into the marvel vs that were and the [TS]

00:11:55   fact that the guides that Kamala has [TS]

00:11:57   gotten from the adults that she trusts [TS]

00:11:59   around her all her life have driven her [TS]

00:12:01   say no I'm staying in jersey city this [TS]

00:12:03   because they need me here like rather [TS]

00:12:06   than be just another human or just [TS]

00:12:08   another Avenger i'm going to take care [TS]

00:12:11   of my home and my school and actually do [TS]

00:12:13   something and like the when when Bruno [TS]

00:12:15   first finds out and asked her how she [TS]

00:12:17   had she's wondering how she's gonna [TS]

00:12:19   superhero and he's like you can always [TS]

00:12:21   hold press press conferences like Tony [TS]

00:12:22   Stark [TS]

00:12:23   ok just let you know you encapsulate you [TS]

00:12:25   know the the arrogance or the on the the [TS]

00:12:27   privilege [TS]

00:12:28   yes that character has the thing i love [TS]

00:12:30   so much about it is it and it's about [TS]

00:12:33   compassion and hope like it the heart [TS]

00:12:35   it's it is about growing up but it's [TS]

00:12:37   about equally like figuring out how to [TS]

00:12:41   how to be compassionate how to be true [TS]

00:12:43   to yourself and and how do how to hold [TS]

00:12:47   out hope in the face of like dire [TS]

00:12:50   straits you know there's some pretty [TS]

00:12:51   major things that happen [TS]

00:12:53   it looks pretty bad towards the end the [TS]

00:12:56   the things we're not talking about in [TS]

00:12:57   this particular episode bit like it's [TS]

00:13:00   like oh I'll hoping lost and and she's [TS]

00:13:04   still like know where we're doing this [TS]

00:13:06   thing and that's the thing i love so [TS]

00:13:09   much as that and especially since and [TS]

00:13:12   with what's happening in the real world [TS]

00:13:14   right now with the tension between you [TS]

00:13:16   know the United States and Muslim [TS]

00:13:18   populations and you know it's i don't [TS]

00:13:22   know i think that there's there's [TS]

00:13:24   something here that we need to take away [TS]

00:13:26   the the importance of having us [TS]

00:13:28   table and supportive environment for [TS]

00:13:29   kids is what actually comes through and [TS]

00:13:32   i think another reason this book feels [TS]

00:13:34   so refreshing is um I'm a huge longtime [TS]

00:13:38   leader of the x-men and I'm i think this [TS]

00:13:41   might actually be the first teenage [TS]

00:13:43   origin story that so far has not [TS]

00:13:46   included dead parents estranged parents [TS]

00:13:48   parents will blind you from the get-go [TS]

00:13:50   parents were members of a cult cult [TS]

00:13:52   parents were members of who heard [TS]

00:13:54   time-traveling members from a generation [TS]

00:13:55   direction here anyways [TS]

00:13:57   no and I'm thinking about like even in [TS]

00:14:00   the New Mutants you have sam three who [TS]

00:14:01   goes to work in mind because his dad is [TS]

00:14:03   killed and you know Danny Moonstar like [TS]

00:14:06   her parents turn into the ghost bear you [TS]

00:14:08   no apologies are spoiling up a series [TS]

00:14:10   that's spoiler two years old these new [TS]

00:14:13   yes mam rain Sinclair was cast out onto [TS]

00:14:16   the moor is ungodly and beaten by [TS]

00:14:18   Reverend until she was adopted by you [TS]

00:14:20   know where a tagger then there's all the [TS]

00:14:22   classic x-men origins stories and again [TS]

00:14:25   The Runaways or you look at the Avengers [TS]

00:14:27   where tony stark and his father front [TS]

00:14:28   relationship and by contrast you know [TS]

00:14:31   Kamala is surrounded by people who love [TS]

00:14:33   her and support her and I think for a [TS]

00:14:36   lot of readers that's actually a lot [TS]

00:14:37   more relatable and this may actually [TS]

00:14:40   provide a guide as to how to become your [TS]

00:14:43   own person [TS]

00:14:44   well you know also being able to hold [TS]

00:14:47   onto the things that you draw strength [TS]

00:14:49   from and that you love and that you [TS]

00:14:50   treasure so this feels like a radically [TS]

00:14:52   different book to me in you know [TS]

00:14:54   compared to the classic teams that have [TS]

00:14:56   people the Marvel Universe Runaways [TS]

00:14:58   cloak-and-dagger for example you [TS]

00:14:59   anything else [TS]

00:15:00   yeah i was reading ms marvel vol 1 i'd [TS]

00:15:03   also just read the new background vol 1 [TS]

00:15:06   which I like but it's it doesn't have [TS]

00:15:10   the same kind of joy that this is that [TS]

00:15:12   it's also liked the character is like [TS]

00:15:14   very much a hipster and it made me feel [TS]

00:15:16   old so even though this character is [TS]

00:15:18   younger like that the story is just much [TS]

00:15:20   more full of like fun enjoy and and you [TS]

00:15:23   want to root for them in a way that you [TS]

00:15:24   know if i'm not anti hero but but I [TS]

00:15:26   particularly want to root for this [TS]

00:15:28   character I mean just even the moment [TS]

00:15:30   where she kind of you know she's in you [TS]

00:15:32   know the the right place at the right [TS]

00:15:33   time to save not her friend like her [TS]

00:15:36   classmate and realizes like the feeling [TS]

00:15:38   of saving that that girl is like that is [TS]

00:15:40   what i want to [TS]

00:15:41   all the time basically like that like [TS]

00:15:43   that felt really powerful first compared [TS]

00:15:46   to other stories especially because like [TS]

00:15:48   she's a kid and she's just trying to [TS]

00:15:50   make her way [TS]

00:15:51   well i just love as a fan of spider-man [TS]

00:15:54   from way back [TS]

00:15:55   who likewise comes his parents are dead [TS]

00:15:57   he's being raised is uncle is dead now [TS]

00:15:59   he's just being raised by his aunt but [TS]

00:16:01   it reminded me of that in the sense that [TS]

00:16:03   the burden that that Kamala carries it [TS]

00:16:06   reminded me of parkersburg a little bit [TS]

00:16:08   there's not there's not guilt there but [TS]

00:16:09   the point is her parents are [TS]

00:16:11   disappointed in her because they think [TS]

00:16:13   she's sneaking out to do bad things when [TS]

00:16:15   in fact the sad thing that she can't [TS]

00:16:17   really reveal to them is that she's [TS]

00:16:19   sneaking out to do good things and her [TS]

00:16:22   brother who is very religious and kind [TS]

00:16:25   of super holier-than-thou right and [TS]

00:16:28   super slacker than that taking yeah [TS]

00:16:30   right at me and he's like you know I'm [TS]

00:16:33   I'm cool I'm cool one here I'm the one [TS]

00:16:35   that everybody loves and you know she's [TS]

00:16:38   the one who's out there doing this then [TS]

00:16:39   and I love that tension right that that [TS]

00:16:42   you know she can i'm not i'm not sure I [TS]

00:16:44   entirely by how I just can't tell anyone [TS]

00:16:46   my secret because there's way too many [TS]

00:16:47   secrets in fiction or reality that don't [TS]

00:16:50   make sense hello I'm looking at you all [TS]

00:16:52   the air the flash and arrow by the way [TS]

00:16:53   home to many secrets but mom but it is a [TS]

00:16:57   beautiful bit of tension for her that [TS]

00:16:58   she is she is it her parents don't care [TS]

00:17:01   that she's sneaking out to do good even [TS]

00:17:03   if they knew because she's sneaking out [TS]

00:17:05   alive [TS]

00:17:06   I think the reason she doesn't tell them [TS]

00:17:08   is because she knows if she did they [TS]

00:17:09   would worry even more like it's easier [TS]

00:17:11   for her to have her parents mad at her [TS]

00:17:13   than ever parents worried about her [TS]

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00:18:34   order and she's going and coming [TS]

00:18:36   alongside what tony was saying and she's [TS]

00:18:39   so relatable to me as a nerd [TS]

00:18:41   mhm you know she's the first thing she [TS]

00:18:44   does she's like okay like I i I've got [TS]

00:18:46   the superpower now I need to go to the [TS]

00:18:47   internet and figure out what's happened [TS]

00:18:49   since you can like queries [TS]

00:18:51   yes she's writing fanfiction she's ready [TS]

00:18:54   and yes she plays world of battlecraft [TS]

00:18:57   into someone who uses a world of [TS]

00:18:59   warcraft I'm like yes you know in in her [TS]

00:19:02   fan fiction is like the Avengers on a [TS]

00:19:04   unicorn homeworlds like I mean it's just [TS]

00:19:07   I relate to this you know twice your age [TS]

00:19:10   but I'm like I relate to you Kamala Khan [TS]

00:19:12   yeah very much so that early leader but [TS]

00:19:14   yeah [TS]

00:19:16   hello Wilson just so nails current [TS]

00:19:19   teenage a internet culture in so many [TS]

00:19:22   ways with all of the reference which is [TS]

00:19:23   hard yeah it is hard [TS]

00:19:25   I feel like a lot of people kind of a [TS]

00:19:26   pit and this comes across as like no you [TS]

00:19:29   don't you don't actually get what this [TS]

00:19:30   looks like right you're just you know [TS]

00:19:32   mix mix it together buzzwords to try and [TS]

00:19:34   convince that you do they just make [TS]

00:19:36   dismissive comments about emoji and make [TS]

00:19:38   it is what is driving this reason [TS]

00:19:39   they're you get this is this is what a [TS]

00:19:40   teenager is like what it and it's not [TS]

00:19:42   just it's not just a ploy in order to [TS]

00:19:45   have her be more of an outsider which [TS]

00:19:47   would which is another way they could do [TS]

00:19:48   it right and say well you know she's a [TS]

00:19:50   nerd and she's she's a Muslim and all [TS]

00:19:52   these ways where she's being ostracized [TS]

00:19:53   like she's got her friend group she you [TS]

00:19:56   know and and she walks the walk she is [TS]

00:19:58   she's a dirty person and that's true but [TS]

00:20:01   she does all the nerdy things and she's [TS]

00:20:03   she's a fully-realized person in that [TS]

00:20:04   way and it's not just a let's you know [TS]

00:20:07   let's put [TS]

00:20:08   again let's put glasses on Peter Parker [TS]

00:20:10   and people will beat him up and and you [TS]

00:20:11   know and put them over in that box she [TS]

00:20:13   she we see her being nerdy kid and not [TS]

00:20:18   having a problem with it's like these [TS]

00:20:19   are the things she does she writes fan [TS]

00:20:20   fiction and she plays video games and [TS]

00:20:22   it's fine it's all fine [TS]

00:20:24   yeah and even the other kids around her [TS]

00:20:26   you know that they're not bullying her [TS]

00:20:30   they're just being snotty I'm you know [TS]

00:20:33   miss concerned role that just you know [TS]

00:20:35   that they're only because it's that the [TS]

00:20:38   other girls only so perfectly that she's [TS]

00:20:40   just blindly and you know half aware and [TS]

00:20:43   half ignorant and mushes it altogether [TS]

00:20:46   and just keeps shoving her foot down her [TS]

00:20:48   throat you know that even those [TS]

00:20:50   characters are nicely rounded and be [TS]

00:20:54   like you said it's not the old classic [TS]

00:20:56   simplistic you know we're gonna go beat [TS]

00:20:58   up on the nerdy people instead you know [TS]

00:21:00   we're going to think we are being [TS]

00:21:02   supportive and think we're being helpful [TS]

00:21:03   and then we're just being as jerky is [TS]

00:21:06   anybody [TS]

00:21:07   mhm what do you think about the about [TS]

00:21:11   that so we're in her origin she gets [TS]

00:21:12   exposed to the Terrigen mists and and [TS]

00:21:16   what happens to her first I and I think [TS]

00:21:18   this is really interesting is she [TS]

00:21:20   becomes carol danvers as ms marvel she's [TS]

00:21:23   blonde and your big blond beautiful you [TS]

00:21:27   know white cartoon your comic book sir I [TS]

00:21:30   this is this horrible outfit the classic [TS]

00:21:34   marvel outfit right me the the little [TS]

00:21:37   drapey thing in the whole it's going to [TS]

00:21:39   register the tactical advantage that [TS]

00:21:41   sash distraction is all i can think of [TS]

00:21:44   consistently or was there a [TS]

00:21:46   manufacturing defect and that's to hold [TS]

00:21:48   it up [TS]

00:21:48   I don't know but I think it's really [TS]

00:21:50   interesting because it's about a you [TS]

00:21:53   know this is a story about identity to [TS]

00:21:55   and it's interesting I i'm interested in [TS]

00:21:58   the fact that she doesn't manifest [TS]

00:22:00   powers she manifests as up another [TS]

00:22:04   superhero like this is this is who she [TS]

00:22:07   wants to be and it's not Kamala Khan [TS]

00:22:09   that saves that school made its carol [TS]

00:22:11   danvers essentially as Marvel yeah [TS]

00:22:12   that's like her first instinct is you [TS]

00:22:15   know to become her idealized idea of the [TS]

00:22:20   other one superhero is [TS]

00:22:21   and you know it takes a while to figure [TS]

00:22:24   out that no i don't have to be you know [TS]

00:22:27   that person I don't have to be someone [TS]

00:22:29   else i can do this my way I can be [TS]

00:22:31   myself and still do this so i think [TS]

00:22:34   that's just sort of a natural part of [TS]

00:22:35   you know a teenager going for what they [TS]

00:22:37   think they want and then learning me [TS]

00:22:40   know that I'm okay this isn't doesn't [TS]

00:22:42   fit like I thought it would and they [TS]

00:22:44   gradually got come around to find what [TS]

00:22:47   does fit for them [TS]

00:22:48   one of the things i remember from [TS]

00:22:49   adolescence is how people tried on and [TS]

00:22:52   constructed different identities all the [TS]

00:22:53   time and how code they were like the [TS]

00:22:56   theater kids have their own distinct [TS]

00:22:58   look and feel and you know the the crew [TS]

00:23:02   team that understands look and feel and [TS]

00:23:04   then you have the the heart the hardcore [TS]

00:23:06   you know skater crab hypocrite and so on [TS]

00:23:08   and so forth and this seems to be almost [TS]

00:23:10   a metaphor for that we're because you [TS]

00:23:12   know Kamala's already pitch and holds [TS]

00:23:14   that were at school like when she tries [TS]

00:23:16   on the Carroll debt Danvers identity [TS]

00:23:18   then discovers it doesn't fit you know [TS]

00:23:20   this is just another part of being you [TS]

00:23:22   know just another part of cycling [TS]

00:23:23   through those those identities i was [TS]

00:23:26   also think it was a good thing she did [TS]

00:23:27   that first because if you had Kamala [TS]

00:23:28   Khan running around saving people like [TS]

00:23:30   that before she really knew how to [TS]

00:23:31   master her powers or how to get away [TS]

00:23:32   from the scene that would have been just [TS]

00:23:34   like it would've been a three-issue [TS]

00:23:35   serious run but that didn't happen so it [TS]

00:23:39   was just it was it was nice tight [TS]

00:23:41   plotting and that's another thing i [TS]

00:23:42   really like about this book is how [TS]

00:23:43   intelligently it's structured because [TS]

00:23:46   you know every beat is is perfectly [TS]

00:23:48   timed it perfectly placed there's no [TS]

00:23:50   there's no slow laggy spots and there's [TS]

00:23:52   no issues that feel too crammed full [TS]

00:23:54   it's just really nicely paced yeah i [TS]

00:23:57   mean vol.11 hugo award right [TS]

00:24:00   yes I believe so yes you did when I got [TS]

00:24:03   that said that the pics that the guy [TS]

00:24:04   with the head of a cockatiels never not [TS]

00:24:06   going to be funny though people okay so [TS]

00:24:09   that the it's a very active when your [TS]

00:24:11   blood that thinks it's thomas edison [TS]

00:24:14   already as Thomas Edison it is time I [TS]

00:24:16   don't want some Thomas Edison but the [TS]

00:24:18   club managed to get some cockatiel DNA [TS]

00:24:20   doesn't like the Flies origin stories [TS]

00:24:23   yeah okay so acceptable [TS]

00:24:25   yeah since I don't adorable i don't know [TS]

00:24:28   there are some scenes were like the [TS]

00:24:29   tongue was loling and I was like now I [TS]

00:24:32   do maybe I don't need that [TS]

00:24:35   well it's somebody's a little freaked [TS]

00:24:36   out by birds i think so i don't i don't [TS]

00:24:41   love I don't love that character i have [TS]

00:24:43   to sound I think that that's the thing I [TS]

00:24:46   like least in this whole first story arc [TS]

00:24:48   is the the inventor himself although it [TS]

00:24:51   is a bizarre reveal that he is Thomas [TS]

00:24:55   Edison would you go figure [TS]

00:24:57   so many questions that's a little played [TS]

00:24:59   out for you Jason [TS]

00:25:00   yeah I thought many times are seeing you [TS]

00:25:03   know you know there was the there was [TS]

00:25:05   the squirrel Nikola Tesla I would be a [TS]

00:25:07   pigeon Nikola Tesla obviously no no it's [TS]

00:25:10   just love that dare not speak its name [TS]

00:25:11   between schools and pigeons what are you [TS]

00:25:13   talking about Tony I know you were on [TS]

00:25:14   this I I just he's just kind of boring [TS]

00:25:17   though i mean i know i don't i don't [TS]

00:25:19   find him a particularly compelling [TS]

00:25:22   villain on honestly and I i thought it i [TS]

00:25:24   think it probably took a long time to [TS]

00:25:26   get to where the plot was kind of [TS]

00:25:28   grinding away on that that that was and [TS]

00:25:30   maybe this says something about how much [TS]

00:25:32   more interested I am in kamala finding [TS]

00:25:34   herself than I am in this initial arc [TS]

00:25:36   with this initial set of villains and [TS]

00:25:38   then kidnapping the kids and her her [TS]

00:25:40   going to investigate then he and there's [TS]

00:25:43   a fake-out right where it's like we [TS]

00:25:44   think we're gonna get a resolution but [TS]

00:25:46   it turns out that he's just been [TS]

00:25:48   watching her and there's more to come [TS]

00:25:50   and then she has to do another thing and [TS]

00:25:51   I just I wasn't interested in that like [TS]

00:25:54   I was with her story and and so in the [TS]

00:25:56   end I you know every time that the [TS]

00:25:58   inventor would appear to be like shut up [TS]

00:26:00   bird with that Jason I actually that [TS]

00:26:03   that's something when i was listening my [TS]

00:26:04   pluses and minuses for the book my [TS]

00:26:06   biggest minus was that when it turned [TS]

00:26:09   back towards the typical comic book hero [TS]

00:26:13   fight villain kind of thing I felt like [TS]

00:26:15   it lost a bit of the personality [TS]

00:26:17   I mean you just that the funniest things [TS]

00:26:20   to me up for the inventor was basically [TS]

00:26:22   when Kamala would point out your bird [TS]

00:26:24   and he get mad you know his I've been [TS]

00:26:26   studying you and here's some other [TS]

00:26:28   weakness I found you know that got old [TS]

00:26:30   for me quite a bit but i am not a bird [TS]

00:26:35   yeah but throw it in his face that he's [TS]

00:26:37   a bird and that was funny and that I [TS]

00:26:39   like any losses my agree with what [TS]

00:26:42   you're saying about about [TS]

00:26:44   it's sort of losing its way a little bit [TS]

00:26:46   during that part the Inca it is he [TS]

00:26:48   probably hang around a lot longer than [TS]

00:26:50   you know he's probably he's kind of one [TS]

00:26:53   joke villain and we get the joke about [TS]

00:26:55   four times so i think some people some [TS]

00:26:57   people like that you and he doesn't seem [TS]

00:26:58   to be that much of a mastermind [TS]

00:27:01   no I mean yeah well I wondered when [TS]

00:27:04   Thomas Edison turned really evil like [TS]

00:27:06   you know how did some she not going to [TS]

00:27:08   reduce your water on industry watch [TS]

00:27:11   drunk history math tells you everything [TS]

00:27:13   you need to know what they really just [TS]

00:27:15   did inventors episode where they tell [TS]

00:27:17   you what a rotten terrible person Thomas [TS]

00:27:19   Edison was in stealing the patent for [TS]

00:27:21   the telephone [TS]

00:27:22   ya ali and how many how many elephants [TS]

00:27:24   do you have to kill before you before [TS]

00:27:25   you judge someone as evil as the answer [TS]

00:27:27   is one [TS]

00:27:28   the answer is 11 college kill any [TS]

00:27:32   elephants really that's because you're a [TS]

00:27:34   superhero not a super villain island [TS]

00:27:36   that's the litmus test how many [TS]

00:27:38   elephants would you kill 0y a superhero [TS]

00:27:40   i cannot pass yeah sure [TS]

00:27:42   sweet use your cape fitting isn't it was [TS]

00:27:45   a chart it's like 0 and then 1 2 [TS]

00:27:47   everything else about should not onto [TS]

00:27:50   almost rockers good job Tony the [TS]

00:27:54   elephant scale it's it's common commonly [TS]

00:27:56   note i I'm what do you think about one [TS]

00:27:59   of the things that I think is [TS]

00:28:00   interesting about the models powers is [TS]

00:28:02   that she is she's able to kind of just [TS]

00:28:05   transmuted her potty and all sorts of [TS]

00:28:07   wacky ways and given the art style of a [TS]

00:28:09   lot of these issues I think you wanted [TS]

00:28:12   some with Adrian our phones are [TS]

00:28:13   especially new is it kind of lightens it [TS]

00:28:16   again it has a personality of its own [TS]

00:28:18   that she's got these like super wacky [TS]

00:28:20   like a big hands and long legs and stuff [TS]

00:28:25   that that is it's really dynamic and it [TS]

00:28:27   doesn't really remind me of anything [TS]

00:28:29   I've seen before I guess their moments [TS]

00:28:30   where I think you know this could be [TS]

00:28:32   like when Reed Richards stretches it's [TS]

00:28:35   just like he's like a rubber band played [TS]

00:28:37   or something when she doesn't it's it's [TS]

00:28:39   dynamic she's you know she's gotta see [TS]

00:28:41   has mass and goof late [TS]

00:28:43   yeah like that's a real thing is that [TS]

00:28:44   like she's like like when her hands [TS]

00:28:46   giant and she can't control it like it [TS]

00:28:48   is awkward and not just like you know [TS]

00:28:50   awkward she's I mean awkward teenager [TS]

00:28:52   put in manifested into powers right [TS]

00:28:54   everything and all your body body parts [TS]

00:28:56   are doing wrong [TS]

00:28:56   Fang and I really enjoyed that uses that [TS]

00:29:00   she loses this uses simpsons reference [TS]

00:29:02   within biggin yes but yea disabilities [TS]

00:29:05   been stressed isn't big enough you can [TS]

00:29:07   get you should get back but I mean not [TS]

00:29:09   to get too much down the old literary [TS]

00:29:11   analysis of there but I i like that [TS]

00:29:13   because I feel like that actually said [TS]

00:29:14   something about her at any teenagers [TS]

00:29:17   fundamental kind of disconnect from from [TS]

00:29:19   the themselves in their body that she's [TS]

00:29:21   she's she's goofy and it and funny [TS]

00:29:24   looking at times even when she's [TS]

00:29:25   exercising powers and saving people [TS]

00:29:27   because that's what it's like to be a [TS]

00:29:29   teenager is you not all all perfect and [TS]

00:29:31   her powers aren't the kind of super [TS]

00:29:33   gleaming perfect kind of powers that a [TS]

00:29:35   lot of superheroes have their there a [TS]

00:29:37   little bit goofy and that's just she [TS]

00:29:38   that's just turned that sushi I look [TS]

00:29:40   flawless well i generate Cyclones this [TS]

00:29:43   benefit thing [TS]

00:29:44   yeah but i also love how come you know [TS]

00:29:46   as she's learning her power she's also [TS]

00:29:48   you know she's a nerd she's knows her [TS]

00:29:51   science and she's trying to apply things [TS]

00:29:53   you know ok more mass miracles equals [TS]

00:29:55   hate more force longer legs made you [TS]

00:29:57   know technically I'm not running faster [TS]

00:29:59   but i'm running farther things like that [TS]

00:30:01   you know and then it occurs to hurt you [TS]

00:30:03   know 20 swell her head and then head but [TS]

00:30:05   the the giant robot and discover yeah [TS]

00:30:07   that hurts but um but it works things [TS]

00:30:11   like that and the fact that she you know [TS]

00:30:13   it takes her of what once in awhile [TS]

00:30:14   takes awhile to realize wait a minute i [TS]

00:30:16   can shrink too and this time that works [TS]

00:30:19   that the fact that she can go both ways [TS]

00:30:21   that she can make herself bigger she can [TS]

00:30:22   make herself tiny and figure out what [TS]

00:30:26   the best thing to do in each situation [TS]

00:30:27   is the uncomfortable is sponsored by [TS]

00:30:29   Fever born from number one New York [TS]

00:30:31   Times bestselling author karen marie [TS]

00:30:33   Monning Mac barons Reardon and Jada are [TS]

00:30:36   back and mistakes have never been higher [TS]

00:30:38   or the chemistry hotter hurling us into [TS]

00:30:40   a realm of labyrinthine intrigue and [TS]

00:30:43   consummate seduction fever board is a [TS]

00:30:45   riveting tale of ancient evil lust [TS]

00:30:46   betrayal forgiveness and the redemptive [TS]

00:30:48   power of love once a normal City [TS]

00:30:50   possessing a touch of ancient magic [TS]

00:30:52   dublin is now a treacherously magical [TS]

00:30:54   city with only a touch of normal and on [TS]

00:30:56   those war-torn streets Mac will come [TS]

00:30:58   face-to-face with her most savage enemy [TS]

00:31:00   yet herself number one New York Times [TS]

00:31:03   bestselling author sylvia day says no [TS]

00:31:05   one does it better than karen marie [TS]

00:31:07   Monning read fever born the exciting new [TS]

00:31:09   book in the [TS]

00:31:10   epic fever series available now at fever [TS]

00:31:13   born book.com yeah going back to the [TS]

00:31:17   wolverine thing you know they're they're [TS]

00:31:19   dropping down i don't know a story or [TS]

00:31:21   two into the water of the sewer and [TS]

00:31:23   she's like oh you know like I need to [TS]

00:31:25   shrink so i can break the surface [TS]

00:31:26   tension with you know about killing [TS]

00:31:29   myself and I I i like that it its and [TS]

00:31:32   yeah it's kind of science ii it's quick [TS]

00:31:34   thinking too and I appreciate that where [TS]

00:31:37   you know a lot of i'm new to comics but [TS]

00:31:40   the ones i've read often times it's just [TS]

00:31:42   like well you know like I'm going to do [TS]

00:31:44   a thing and the thing is done and you [TS]

00:31:48   know and kind of like the internal [TS]

00:31:49   thought process that we get with Kamala [TS]

00:31:51   she's like oh this is why I'm gonna do [TS]

00:31:53   this thing she's new hero to so she's [TS]

00:31:55   the idea is also figuring it out which [TS]

00:31:57   is which is fun to see indeed we talked [TS]

00:32:00   about in humans a little bit yes please [TS]

00:32:03   it wasn't Lisa I know it's gonna have [TS]

00:32:05   been about this is not a mutant she's an [TS]

00:32:06   inhuman there's a charity charity and [TS]

00:32:08   missed there's a whole overarching [TS]

00:32:10   storyline that is not really that [TS]

00:32:12   important to the to the particular story [TS]

00:32:14   here other than that it's the it's the [TS]

00:32:16   method by which she you know it's not [TS]

00:32:18   bitten by a radioactive spider or hit by [TS]

00:32:21   toxic waste or radioactive waste or [TS]

00:32:23   whatever or born a mutant it's this mist [TS]

00:32:26   that sort of activates her inhuman [TS]

00:32:28   powers so there's that aspect of it [TS]

00:32:30   which I think it's is a different sort [TS]

00:32:32   of thing and then we do get later in the [TS]

00:32:34   story line we get her interacting she [TS]

00:32:37   has a large dog who visits her who is [TS]

00:32:39   lock jaw who is one of the craziest and [TS]

00:32:42   funniest characters in the Marvel [TS]

00:32:44   history perfectly deployed if there was [TS]

00:32:46   ever a book to have a connection with [TS]

00:32:50   such a a delightful and goofy character [TS]

00:32:53   as the giant inhuman dog with the tuning [TS]

00:32:57   fork on his head [TS]

00:32:58   it's it's miss marvel to perfect fit and [TS]

00:33:00   ms hola [TS]

00:33:02   jalisa inhuman stuff thoughts about that [TS]

00:33:04   when I centimeter and inhuman and it's [TS]

00:33:07   such a smart origin story in so many [TS]

00:33:09   ways because so you can have you can [TS]

00:33:10   have humans popping up to the entire [TS]

00:33:12   series run because look those Terrigen [TS]

00:33:13   mists long way but my other thought was [TS]

00:33:16   wow this is really opens up the door to [TS]

00:33:18   having her in future [TS]

00:33:20   mar MCU movies because and or two [TS]

00:33:23   TV show because they've taken her out of [TS]

00:33:25   the that they took her out of the [TS]

00:33:27   classic you know it's it's a team let's [TS]

00:33:29   go with all the teams doing freaky [TS]

00:33:31   things off to Charles Xavier you go [TS]

00:33:32   um and I was thinking about this and was [TS]

00:33:36   like we can see come on a common [TS]

00:33:38   adventures movie which honestly using I [TS]

00:33:40   would know I was thinking about this and [TS]

00:33:42   I was like okay my and I apologize for [TS]

00:33:46   being from it by promising me back to UM [TS]

00:33:48   one of the things that as a viewer of [TS]

00:33:52   the MCU I'm beginning to get a little [TS]

00:33:53   bit tired of is it's basically a bunch [TS]

00:33:55   of people who are my age who haven't had [TS]

00:33:57   a carb since the bush administration who [TS]

00:33:59   are you who are you know busy shooting [TS]

00:34:02   arrows and running around the suit or [TS]

00:34:04   hulking out or whatever and I thought [TS]

00:34:06   this is kind of ridiculous city all ages [TS]

00:34:08   and what we need to do is we need to see [TS]

00:34:10   people who are younger or we need to see [TS]

00:34:12   people who are different and you know [TS]

00:34:14   not and not dudes and I get that they're [TS]

00:34:18   ramping up on the human stuff in agents [TS]

00:34:20   of shield which I'm still watching but I [TS]

00:34:21   thought we've already established in [TS]

00:34:23   humans are in this universe like that's [TS]

00:34:24   what agents of shield has done [TS]

00:34:26   why can't we see come on in a movie and [TS]

00:34:29   and I thought and and I thought will [TS]

00:34:31   meet this book was kind of launched that [TS]

00:34:32   intention was sort of a backdoor like [TS]

00:34:35   it's all it was a huge splash she gave [TS]

00:34:37   you and comics but it's kind of like a [TS]

00:34:38   sort of well she's well established in [TS]

00:34:41   my life in fandoms there's no reason for [TS]

00:34:42   her not to be included as opposed to if [TS]

00:34:44   they had just thrown her into an [TS]

00:34:46   avengers movie or one of the MC movies [TS]

00:34:48   early on i think the focus would not [TS]

00:34:51   have been on like what a great character [TS]

00:34:53   she is and when interesting and fresh [TS]

00:34:55   backstory and what inventive way she [TS]

00:34:58   uses to do her job within like oh it's a [TS]

00:35:00   Muslim team and like it it would not but [TS]

00:35:03   you know she's gonna get a safe launch [TS]

00:35:06   as it were [TS]

00:35:07   that said always but I i'm always been [TS]

00:35:10   fascinated by the Inhumans just because [TS]

00:35:12   it's such a weird whack-job promise like [TS]

00:35:15   Black Bolt alone i'm like what the what [TS]

00:35:18   the aliens but their honor their kind of [TS]

00:35:21   human-like but there's a mean it sounds [TS]

00:35:23   like a weird royal dynasty scheming [TS]

00:35:25   thing going on you've got a dude who [TS]

00:35:27   literally can't say a word because if he [TS]

00:35:28   does he destroys the universe but he's [TS]

00:35:30   married like the chattiest woman on the [TS]

00:35:32   planet and [TS]

00:35:33   and she's got hair that doesn't [TS]

00:35:34   something and a big dog [TS]

00:35:37   alright I'll of lavo is adorable and you [TS]

00:35:40   know Medusa's just kind of wack job [TS]

00:35:41   herself it's like is it like this is [TS]

00:35:44   somebody who every time I look at videos [TS]

00:35:46   I'm like listen to log for a most don't [TS]

00:35:48   you and I fight I read I but I'm [TS]

00:35:51   thrilled that come on was actually an [TS]

00:35:53   inhuman because like one that when it [TS]

00:35:56   finally hits her to it's going to be [TS]

00:35:57   another piece of identity that she's [TS]

00:36:00   gonna have to reconcile with being a [TS]

00:36:02   desi girl in America and with being [TS]

00:36:05   Muslim and being a jersey it--and then [TS]

00:36:07   she's going to have to go out do I you [TS]

00:36:09   know how do I break my parents that I'm [TS]

00:36:10   also apparently part alien [TS]

00:36:13   well which means but some of them are 22 [TS]

00:36:15   yeah yeah I I as a fan of Buffy I i [TS]

00:36:20   always think of these stories being [TS]

00:36:21   perfect for TV to idea that you can do [TS]

00:36:23   it because then you have the ongoing [TS]

00:36:25   story let's look at spider-man movies [TS]

00:36:28   you know they tried to tell the story [TS]

00:36:29   but in a movie in two hours it's a lot [TS]

00:36:31   harder to get that rhythm that we see [TS]

00:36:32   actually in these Marvel stories where [TS]

00:36:35   she's living day to day and having to go [TS]

00:36:37   about you know navigating her tortured [TS]

00:36:40   high school just existence as a high [TS]

00:36:42   school student along with being a [TS]

00:36:44   superhero and so that was that was the [TS]

00:36:45   thought that I had was you know this [TS]

00:36:47   really would make a great CW show it [TS]

00:36:49   would be a funny video [TS]

00:36:50   yeah exactly better than Supergirl I'd [TS]

00:36:53   love to see it because you know again [TS]

00:36:55   and i have to say i have a lot of [TS]

00:36:57   admiration for how carefully Marvel has [TS]

00:36:59   architected out its expansion in both [TS]

00:37:02   film and TV like it's really well [TS]

00:37:04   thought out and you can and it's fun to [TS]

00:37:06   watch them laying the groundwork but the [TS]

00:37:08   characters tend to skew classic in sku [TS]

00:37:11   old and I would really like to see [TS]

00:37:13   someone might come on Alec on where [TS]

00:37:15   instead of it taking place in New York [TS]

00:37:16   City you know it would be interesting to [TS]

00:37:20   see if societies that one of the more [TS]

00:37:22   established characters if as a [TS]

00:37:24   fish-out-of-water the same way Wolverine [TS]

00:37:26   was and they discovered that there are [TS]

00:37:28   people who are just gonna kind of [TS]

00:37:29   quietly doing their thing no big deal [TS]

00:37:32   Kamala Khan just happens to be this [TS]

00:37:33   Marvel who's taking care of you know [TS]

00:37:35   Jersey City and I i really want to see [TS]

00:37:38   more of her United too especially you [TS]

00:37:41   know what the Marvel Cinematic Universe [TS]

00:37:42   I mean shield i think does a fairly okay [TS]

00:37:44   job and you know we don't [TS]

00:37:46   a lot of younger people you know we've [TS]

00:37:51   got people in the 20 in their twenties [TS]

00:37:52   but not like teenagers not kids and and [TS]

00:37:57   you know the movies are just I mean [TS]

00:37:58   they're fun I like them but like you [TS]

00:38:00   said it's a bunch of of dudes talking [TS]

00:38:03   about things and you know we've got the [TS]

00:38:05   one woman we've got you know Black Widow [TS]

00:38:07   and we don't we can't even get like her [TS]

00:38:09   on the t-shirts figurines or whatever so [TS]

00:38:11   if we could have something daddy has a [TS]

00:38:14   Marvel movie keeps getting pushed [TS]

00:38:15   further and further out and it's going [TS]

00:38:17   to be Carol Danvers who's in earth and [TS]

00:38:19   maybe part of it is the squeamishness [TS]

00:38:22   about well what if we have somebody [TS]

00:38:24   who's a minor was putting herself in [TS]

00:38:27   really dangerous situations like that [TS]

00:38:28   that could be uncomfortable but they [TS]

00:38:31   actually handled that really well like [TS]

00:38:32   in one of the spider-man movies I'm i [TS]

00:38:34   think was like spider-man 2 like after [TS]

00:38:36   he saves a train and pn you know he [TS]

00:38:38   passed out my car people like holy crap [TS]

00:38:40   he's really young home and maybe that's [TS]

00:38:43   actually something that the MCU needs to [TS]

00:38:45   reckon with which is that if you're [TS]

00:38:46   going to recruit people who aren't yet [TS]

00:38:48   adults there are moral and ethical [TS]

00:38:50   ramifications to putting these people in [TS]

00:38:52   danger way I always remember the scene [TS]

00:38:54   and I think it's actually multiple [TS]

00:38:55   scenes in an ultimate spider-man where [TS]

00:38:58   Nick very shows up to like try and [TS]

00:38:59   recruit spider-man to be part of the [TS]

00:39:01   Avengers and he's like I just gotta [TS]

00:39:02   finish high school man [TS]

00:39:03   no yeah i have a lab report of working [TS]

00:39:08   on yeah that's right yeah I gotta find [TS]

00:39:09   here i have to do calculus [TS]

00:39:11   yeah yeah yeahs a sidestep NEX movie [TS]

00:39:14   when x-men movies when you look at it [TS]

00:39:15   because they had a really clear division [TS]

00:39:17   between leg the working excellent here [TS]

00:39:19   running on the leather and glare alot [TS]

00:39:20   and the students who you know or are [TS]

00:39:22   kind of doing an ad-hoc thing and to be [TS]

00:39:26   fair they have a division in the comic [TS]

00:39:27   books as well but I i think it's [TS]

00:39:29   something that you're going to have to [TS]

00:39:31   see a TV show or a comic book or a movie [TS]

00:39:33   about these people deal with at some [TS]

00:39:35   point which is some again when you're [TS]

00:39:38   throwing teenagers at super villains or [TS]

00:39:40   natural disasters like you know are [TS]

00:39:43   there like do you ever draw a line you [TS]

00:39:45   know what's the issue of consent and I [TS]

00:39:48   see what you're saying but there have [TS]

00:39:49   been things like the power rangers and [TS]

00:39:52   you know they're there [TS]

00:39:54   there's some precedent you know not [TS]

00:39:56   necessarily in the Marvel Universe but [TS]

00:39:58   there is some entertaining [TS]

00:39:59   and precedent for having teenagers in [TS]

00:40:02   potentially dangerous situations and you [TS]

00:40:04   know is goofy you know even as a kid [TS]

00:40:05   watching power rangers I'm like yeah [TS]

00:40:07   this is totally goofy know it and you [TS]

00:40:09   can make that distinction i think but [TS]

00:40:11   you know there's they can do it [TS]

00:40:14   lake maybe they're definitely might need [TS]

00:40:16   to think about it a little bit but I [TS]

00:40:17   definitely think they should do it like [TS]

00:40:19   a cute is I'm telling you do this [TS]

00:40:21   because yeah live the world needs some [TS]

00:40:24   miss marvel like me as Marvel mass [TS]

00:40:26   consumption of miss murkly yeah yeah [TS]

00:40:28   there was a throwaway line and Kevin [TS]

00:40:29   Smith running green arrow like a decade [TS]

00:40:31   ago where he's looking back through his [TS]

00:40:33   rogues gallery or what have you and he [TS]

00:40:35   like gets the seventies where he's got [TS]

00:40:37   speediest the sidekick and Batman had [TS]

00:40:40   Robin and like he actually is a [TS]

00:40:41   conversation with someone who's like I [TS]

00:40:43   really don't know what we were thinking [TS]

00:40:44   pulling these kids into battle with us [TS]

00:40:45   and you know that was the first was like [TS]

00:40:49   yeah it's kind of jacked up because you [TS]

00:40:51   know when you are kidding your teenager [TS]

00:40:53   reading this of course you want to get [TS]

00:40:54   out there like through the eighties [TS]

00:40:56   Kitty Pryde's readiness for the ex was a [TS]

00:40:58   huge plot point all the way through like [TS]

00:41:00   it was one of the big plot engines on on [TS]

00:41:02   the new x-men but what I like here is is [TS]

00:41:04   Kamala is so thoroughly and obviously a [TS]

00:41:06   teenager first and and you know I I feel [TS]

00:41:11   like that's something that is going to [TS]

00:41:12   give us a lot of plot cheese and that's [TS]

00:41:14   actually something where if she gets [TS]

00:41:16   integrated into the wider marvel [TS]

00:41:17   universe and i'm talking like i just [TS]

00:41:20   read the first two trails over the first [TS]

00:41:21   3 i'm not sure if she gets married to [TS]

00:41:24   the whole wider Marvel Universe you know [TS]

00:41:25   someone somewhere is gonna have to say [TS]

00:41:27   dude she's a sophomore in high school or [TS]

00:41:29   did she's a junior in high school you [TS]

00:41:30   know that's what i wanted to mention [TS]

00:41:31   next which is where Kamala Khan goes [TS]

00:41:33   from here because when we when we did [TS]

00:41:34   our episode about the runaways [TS]

00:41:37   one of the challenges we had is as that [TS]

00:41:39   run went along and and since that run [TS]

00:41:42   has ended [TS]

00:41:43   we've seen them used and there's this [TS]

00:41:45   thing where you go from being the star [TS]

00:41:47   of your own story where you like the ms [TS]

00:41:51   marvel book all four traits are like [TS]

00:41:53   this that whole series [TS]

00:41:55   she's the star of the story and she's in [TS]

00:41:57   the marvel universe and we can have a [TS]

00:41:58   Wolverine drop in and we can have [TS]

00:41:59   lockjaw and Medusa drop in but it's cold [TS]

00:42:02   it's Kamala story and with Runaways they [TS]

00:42:04   ended up being sort of like and some [TS]

00:42:06   other people stories and it kind of got [TS]

00:42:08   messy and not as good and that's what I [TS]

00:42:10   wanted to ask is is you know [TS]

00:42:12   there is a new Marvel series that jill [TS]

00:42:16   wilson is is writing that came out the [TS]

00:42:19   first issue of which came out last week [TS]

00:42:20   so following the for trades that are [TS]

00:42:23   available from the previous run they've [TS]

00:42:24   gone back to a new number one but she's [TS]

00:42:26   also in the all-new all different [TS]

00:42:28   Avengers which is not your typical [TS]

00:42:30   Avengers book it's it's like kid [TS]

00:42:33   Avengers sort of because the young nova [TS]

00:42:36   and and and ultimate spider-man or in it [TS]

00:42:39   too but still does it does that give you [TS]

00:42:42   is that good news that she's getting [TS]

00:42:44   wider a wider view in Marvel or is it [TS]

00:42:48   problematic in the sense that it's now [TS]

00:42:50   she's just another cog in the machine i [TS]

00:42:53   could see that being a really narrow [TS]

00:42:55   tightrope good that yeah they may not [TS]

00:42:59   big on the one hand yet more exposure [TS]

00:43:02   for this really cool character on the [TS]

00:43:04   other hand you know if you let her as [TS]

00:43:06   you said if you let them get too deeply [TS]

00:43:08   into the wider universe you lose you [TS]

00:43:11   lose the jersey girl then just makes [TS]

00:43:14   this book so much fun and so refreshing [TS]

00:43:16   so yeah that's how yeah that's gonna [TS]

00:43:19   that's gonna be interesting to watch [TS]

00:43:21   your favorite band you know when they [TS]

00:43:23   get when they make it big [TS]

00:43:24   today through it they start to stock the [TS]

00:43:27   question right it's like oh good I'm [TS]

00:43:29   glad you like Kamala Khan so much you [TS]

00:43:31   put her in the Avengers are it was that [TS]

00:43:34   going how's that going to be [TS]

00:43:35   it was like a suppose it's the same [TS]

00:43:37   problem with you know when they start [TS]

00:43:39   integrating the new mutants into the [TS]

00:43:40   x-men and these characters i had gotten [TS]

00:43:43   very attached to wear all of a sudden [TS]

00:43:44   just basically oh you're in the b-list [TS]

00:43:46   the x-men you know we we throw you at [TS]

00:43:48   the problem when the market people are [TS]

00:43:50   off fighting on the other people and I [TS]

00:43:53   worry that Kamala to hear they've got so [TS]

00:43:55   many different ventures titles that you [TS]

00:43:57   know the the core group of that is the [TS]

00:43:58   three young heroes and then it's like [TS]

00:44:00   the new Thor and the new captain america [TS]

00:44:03   the Falcon but it will be interesting to [TS]

00:44:06   see what they do there because that that [TS]

00:44:07   is the concern is that isn't you know [TS]

00:44:09   now it's not Wilson writing Kamala Khan [TS]

00:44:12   it's mark waid writing her and and she [TS]

00:44:15   will have interactions with with Miles [TS]

00:44:18   Morales which is great but it's not [TS]

00:44:19   brian michael bendis writing Miles [TS]

00:44:21   Morales it's mark waid writing Miles [TS]

00:44:22   Morales so you know it could be good but [TS]

00:44:25   it could also just be nice [TS]

00:44:26   I don't it doesn't necessarily detract [TS]

00:44:28   from the stories that we tell told [TS]

00:44:29   elsewhere but it is that that you know [TS]

00:44:31   it gives me gives me a little bit of [TS]

00:44:33   pause i guess a bit of a pause because [TS]

00:44:35   i'm kind of curious to see how how or if [TS]

00:44:38   Mark Waid treats Kamala's background and [TS]

00:44:41   her faith and her support system as [TS]

00:44:43   relevant to herself as a character in [TS]

00:44:45   his universe [TS]

00:44:46   well if as a family kingdom come if [TS]

00:44:49   you've ever wanted to see a mark waid [TS]

00:44:51   comic with an alex ross cover that [TS]

00:44:54   features Kamala Khan it is all new all [TS]

00:44:56   different adventures number one which [TS]

00:44:58   just came out so you can check that out [TS]

00:45:00   and yeah it'll be interesting to see [TS]

00:45:03   yeah it kind of goes back to what tony [TS]

00:45:04   was saying earlier the the the author [TS]

00:45:07   who can genuinely capture the feel of [TS]

00:45:10   this team voice vs the author who you [TS]

00:45:13   know has heard the words and tosses them [TS]

00:45:15   in because that's what it sounds like [TS]

00:45:17   one of the creators were work [TS]

00:45:20   essentially g wilson being the creator [TS]

00:45:22   of Kamala Khan being being I mean I like [TS]

00:45:25   Miles Morales is a character a whole lot [TS]

00:45:27   but he's not as good when it's not brian [TS]

00:45:29   michael bendis because that's the guy [TS]

00:45:30   who made Miles Morales he's the guy and [TS]

00:45:33   you know it's funny that he appears [TS]

00:45:35   elsewhere but it's not the same and [TS]

00:45:36   that's my that's my concern about Kamala [TS]

00:45:38   being run out elsewhere is that it's you [TS]

00:45:41   know it's not Wilson doing it you know [TS]

00:45:43   in the DC Universe I always feel the [TS]

00:45:45   same way whenever I'm oracle or black [TS]

00:45:48   canary are not written by gail simone [TS]

00:45:49   because I don't get it she works so hard [TS]

00:45:51   to be have this character and so so [TS]

00:45:55   there's and that's actually an [TS]

00:45:57   interesting discussion which is some [TS]

00:45:58   whether or not your connection to [TS]

00:46:00   characters rises and falls depending on [TS]

00:46:03   his writing them you know I don't know [TS]

00:46:05   because that was Peter David did the [TS]

00:46:08   fantastic series X Factor investigations [TS]

00:46:11   and the way here it's jamie madrox that [TS]

00:46:14   whole series is really enjoyable and I [TS]

00:46:16   have like that character before apple [TS]

00:46:19   before or since like but the one peter [TS]

00:46:21   david took him and and explain who he [TS]

00:46:24   was and what he was doing and you know [TS]

00:46:26   what drove him and what questions he [TS]

00:46:28   grappled with and what meaning he's [TS]

00:46:29   trying to write from his life [TS]

00:46:31   it was really compelling and I'm sure we [TS]

00:46:34   all have characters where you you know [TS]

00:46:36   it just clicks with a certain writer and [TS]

00:46:37   then when they pass it off again you're [TS]

00:46:39   like okay this could be it [TS]

00:46:40   no it's not with me but it also kind of [TS]

00:46:43   worried about presumably i don't i don't [TS]

00:46:46   know the author but like a presumably [TS]

00:46:47   middle-aged man riding a teenage girl [TS]

00:46:50   no you know I read every jessica jones [TS]

00:46:52   and comics in the ugly or the lead-up to [TS]

00:46:56   the Netflix series and alias in the [TS]

00:46:59   pulse I had some really big problems [TS]

00:47:01   about the way Jessica Jones was written [TS]

00:47:02   and I think part of that was due to just [TS]

00:47:05   like gender differences and I'd like I [TS]

00:47:09   don't know what that says about me but [TS]

00:47:10   I'm thinking okay part of what I really [TS]

00:47:12   love about Kamala Khan is how accurately [TS]

00:47:14   like kind of those those identity things [TS]

00:47:16   I faced and were portrayed and you know [TS]

00:47:19   things about like dating and boys and [TS]

00:47:21   that kind of thing and it is is a guy [TS]

00:47:24   going to be able to capture that because [TS]

00:47:26   there are cultural differences you know [TS]

00:47:28   between the way women and men for girls [TS]

00:47:30   and boys and grow up and so that that is [TS]

00:47:33   a concern I have [TS]

00:47:35   well Wilson is not just a woman but [TS]

00:47:38   she's Muslim and so she understands she [TS]

00:47:42   is uniquely not well there are other [TS]

00:47:44   Muslim comic book writers and their [TS]

00:47:46   other women complicating there maybe [TS]

00:47:47   even other Muslim women comic book [TS]

00:47:49   writers I don't know offhand but she has [TS]

00:47:51   a very special perspective that she's [TS]

00:47:53   able to lend to come on jaan that I i'm [TS]

00:47:57   mark weight is a is a good writer and he [TS]

00:47:59   da and Marvel mean depending on how they [TS]

00:48:01   do it in this maybe also one of those [TS]

00:48:03   things where they're like you know talk [TS]

00:48:05   to Willow about how you handle Kamala [TS]

00:48:07   like she's yeah maybe the kind of brand [TS]

00:48:10   steward for ms marvel like you need to [TS]

00:48:12   talk to her you need to you know we're [TS]

00:48:14   gonna check in with her and and if if [TS]

00:48:16   they're doing it that way [TS]

00:48:17   that's the right way to do it i think to [TS]

00:48:19   make try to have her be consistent and [TS]

00:48:20   handles right but it definitely is a [TS]

00:48:23   concern when babies characters escape [TS]

00:48:25   into the wider universe its it he's [TS]

00:48:28   she's gonna be written by a 53-year old [TS]

00:48:30   man who's who's got a great history with [TS]

00:48:33   some a lot of the classic franchises and [TS]

00:48:36   so perhaps this is seen as a vote of [TS]

00:48:37   confidence where they like look mark [TS]

00:48:39   wait did great things with with other [TS]

00:48:42   with other titles like he did a lot of [TS]

00:48:43   good work on the flash she's done great [TS]

00:48:45   work with Superman j SI jala he even [TS]

00:48:48   revive the [TS]

00:48:50   Legion of super-heroes thank you yes he [TS]

00:48:53   had a book like that very you know [TS]

00:48:54   because he's done to us but very kitten [TS]

00:48:56   that are pretty compelling and all that [TS]

00:48:58   um that said one hopes he's grown since [TS]

00:49:02   the days he wrote empire with Kitson and [TS]

00:49:06   he depicted the teenage girl therein as [TS]

00:49:09   a psychotic master because he did not [TS]

00:49:13   have a bead on any of the female [TS]

00:49:14   characters in that book whatsoever--like [TS]

00:49:16   it's it's it's moderately interesting [TS]

00:49:17   because the book is about oh what's life [TS]

00:49:19   like under the regime of a supervillain [TS]

00:49:21   has told from the supervillains [TS]

00:49:22   perspective um but like there are [TS]

00:49:25   teenage girls in that book is main [TS]

00:49:27   characters and i remember reading it and [TS]

00:49:30   thinking this is not like any teenage [TS]

00:49:32   girl [TS]

00:49:34   I have ever known or been admit you are [TS]

00:49:38   you're like an alien who has come to [TS]

00:49:40   this planet and tried to put together [TS]

00:49:42   teenage girls and all you had for your [TS]

00:49:44   source material or like to back copies [TS]

00:49:46   of a sweet valley high series a Nancy [TS]

00:49:48   Drew and good but so I really hope [TS]

00:49:52   that's not the same as any other [TS]

00:49:54   thoughts about Miss Marple other than I [TS]

00:49:56   mean like I said at the beginning people [TS]

00:49:58   should read it people should read all [TS]

00:49:59   four volumes quite frankly my only one [TS]

00:50:01   my wife is not it is not here because [TS]

00:50:03   she's already fulfilled her contractual [TS]

00:50:05   obligation to appear on one podcast and [TS]

00:50:07   only one is a year and then trust me she [TS]

00:50:10   doesn't that was she negotiated that [TS]

00:50:12   down from a higher number two as low as [TS]

00:50:15   i would allow it to go but she not a [TS]

00:50:18   comic book reader lean I mean it's funny [TS]

00:50:20   that you mentioned that Lauren has not [TS]

00:50:21   been a cockroach never grew up with [TS]

00:50:23   comic books and that's all the [TS]

00:50:24   children's librarian she has tried to [TS]

00:50:26   get into the graphic novel thing so she [TS]

00:50:27   can be knowledgeable about that and she [TS]

00:50:29   loves miss marvel absolutely loves it [TS]

00:50:32   she's got vol.4 on you know on waiting [TS]

00:50:35   for her at the library for the next time [TS]

00:50:36   she drops in there it's a yeah yeah it's [TS]

00:50:39   it so i think i think that's one of the [TS]

00:50:41   great things about about this book and [TS]

00:50:43   why people should pick a number is that [TS]

00:50:44   it's a it's not it's a self-contained [TS]

00:50:46   story it's not something you've seen [TS]

00:50:47   before and it's really just executed so [TS]

00:50:49   well and it's pretty [TS]

00:50:51   can we talk about the hard for me let's [TS]

00:50:52   do this yes oh my god Adrian telefona [TS]

00:50:56   because i read the ship had showed me [TS]

00:50:59   show me and told me to read like the [TS]

00:51:01   first two or three issues some time ago [TS]

00:51:03   and I didn't I was like yeah this is [TS]

00:51:04   cool but life happens work happened and [TS]

00:51:07   I didn't pick it up again until a time [TS]

00:51:09   to read for the podcast and I read it [TS]

00:51:11   earlier this week and it was enjoying it [TS]

00:51:14   thoroughly and then I went back today [TS]

00:51:15   and I was on ships ipad going panel by [TS]

00:51:19   panel looking at all of the detail that [TS]

00:51:22   Adrian alfano works into this story I [TS]

00:51:26   don't know how much of it came from [TS]

00:51:27   Wilson script I don't know how much of [TS]

00:51:29   it was his imagine use the owl on the on [TS]

00:51:32   the pier when she saves her her [TS]

00:51:34   classmate check out the owl it is this [TS]

00:51:36   adorable like miyazaki owl that has no [TS]

00:51:39   reason to be there it's just yet and [TS]

00:51:41   there there's so many things like that [TS]

00:51:43   like the crowd scene with the kids all [TS]

00:51:45   gathered on the waterfront you've got [TS]

00:51:48   Warner Brothers dancing frog in the [TS]

00:51:50   crowd there and it looks like Johnny [TS]

00:51:53   Storm is there somebody who is on fire [TS]

00:51:55   it looks like it's johnny storm is just [TS]

00:51:56   hanging out in a corner would love it [TS]

00:51:58   turns out Johnny Storm like it's a [TS]

00:51:59   jersey city because you like really [TS]

00:52:01   likes your mother or something [TS]

00:52:02   yeah it's just you know all sorts of [TS]

00:52:04   oddball things like that their little [TS]

00:52:06   piggies in the last like the last volume [TS]

00:52:09   i started looking and I'm like they're [TS]

00:52:11   they're just random piggies like a guy's [TS]

00:52:13   holding a pig under his arm movement in [TS]

00:52:16   the background that I think it connected [TS]

00:52:19   because there's the stuff in her room [TS]

00:52:20   there she's gonna pick with wings [TS]

00:52:22   stuffed animal she's got the stuffed [TS]

00:52:24   porcupine with the Hulk hands and [TS]

00:52:26   honored you know all kinds of things [TS]

00:52:28   like that there's an ad in her dad's [TS]

00:52:30   newspaper for GMOs the cereal and I'll [TS]

00:52:33   yeah issue later there's a bong sitting [TS]

00:52:35   there while she's eating it you know the [TS]

00:52:38   consistency of all those details is just [TS]

00:52:40   so much fun to look at and look for [TS]

00:52:44   after you've read the book and yeah you [TS]

00:52:46   go through it again that the signs in [TS]

00:52:48   the windows [TS]

00:52:49   you know like all these things about [TS]

00:52:51   what is the wedding industry there's all [TS]

00:52:52   these little bits and pieces about you [TS]

00:52:54   know somebody in arranging Asian [TS]

00:52:55   weddings because they're always [TS]

00:52:57   advertising them it's just it's [TS]

00:53:00   hilarious [TS]

00:53:01   I think he also captures youthful energy [TS]

00:53:03   really well because he was my favorite [TS]

00:53:04   artists on the on the runaways and he [TS]

00:53:07   manages to capture the kinetic feeling [TS]

00:53:09   but of being a teenager in a really [TS]

00:53:12   great way but what's amazing is I didn't [TS]

00:53:14   read it and think oh this is the [TS]

00:53:16   runaways this is Runaways art right it [TS]

00:53:18   is not it it blew my mind was like a [TS]

00:53:21   telephone is that the front always [TS]

00:53:23   artist yeah [TS]

00:53:24   and yet they don't it doesn't it doesn't [TS]

00:53:27   look the same to me it doesn't see me at [TS]

00:53:29   all and like I mentioned that whole [TS]

00:53:31   kinetic you know the super stretching [TS]

00:53:33   weird shapes and sizes of parts of her [TS]

00:53:36   body issues exhibited her powers [TS]

00:53:38   it's so it's it's not what we're used to [TS]

00:53:41   seeing from comic book art at all and [TS]

00:53:43   yet it is really it's fun and gets [TS]

00:53:46   across what's going on with Kamala and [TS]

00:53:48   her powers and if there were two issues [TS]

00:53:51   and what we read done by a different [TS]

00:53:53   artist James Wyatt I believe in the name [TS]

00:53:56   Tom and he was the one responsible for [TS]

00:53:59   the the ten i thought it was a tinted [TS]

00:54:01   Maj the the tunneling up from the sewers [TS]

00:54:05   her and Wolverine going through as the [TS]

00:54:06   conversation flowed but he also had a [TS]

00:54:08   neat trick [TS]

00:54:10   we're just every once in a while you [TS]

00:54:12   know the the art just completely goes [TS]

00:54:14   goofy cartoony and it's all of all [TS]

00:54:16   things come on his face or the [TS]

00:54:18   characters face looks like an emoji yeah [TS]

00:54:20   you can animate look and they're working [TS]

00:54:22   away from the deformed yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:54:25   that's right it's not often enough to be [TS]

00:54:28   annoying but every once in a while I [TS]

00:54:30   think that's what helped make the book [TS]

00:54:31   feel so fresh to is because it doesn't [TS]

00:54:33   feel like classic comics it it feels [TS]

00:54:36   very cosmopolitan in a sense a look at [TS]

00:54:38   the visual influences you've cited by [TS]

00:54:40   like you know [TS]

00:54:41   anime emotion is Aoki I mean none of [TS]

00:54:44   these have their roots in celbridge [TS]

00:54:45   products and maybe it was one of the one [TS]

00:54:48   of the matt fraction hawk-eye [TS]

00:54:51   collections had a Hawkeye book comic [TS]

00:54:53   that he didn't write in there like [TS]

00:54:55   included in the collection and after [TS]

00:54:57   reading something like that and then [TS]

00:54:58   getting to the like the classic comic [TS]

00:55:00   book art with the like super anatomical [TS]

00:55:02   detail of the like listening muscles and [TS]

00:55:05   stuff it's like it's it's really jarring [TS]

00:55:06   and I don't I don't I don't like it [TS]

00:55:08   anymore so yeah I guess I was gonna talk [TS]

00:55:10   to a stop to the local commonplace and I [TS]

00:55:13   was talking with the person behind the [TS]

00:55:15   counter we were talking about like how [TS]

00:55:17   dramatically are the art comic art in [TS]

00:55:20   general seems to have changed like in [TS]

00:55:21   the last two decades but to get to miss [TS]

00:55:24   marvel this doesn't scan like again like [TS]

00:55:28   classic marvel art and i like how Kamala [TS]

00:55:31   is in no way shape or form sexualized [TS]

00:55:35   and um yeah and again I came up reading [TS]

00:55:38   x-men and New Mutants through the [TS]

00:55:40   eighties and nineties and even as a [TS]

00:55:42   teenager like you know and mind reading [TS]

00:55:44   about other teenagers they were drawn [TS]

00:55:46   like full-grown developed women and it [TS]

00:55:49   got a little weird every once in awhile [TS]

00:55:50   because you have over 90 kitty pryde you [TS]

00:55:53   can't go into battle and like there she [TS]

00:55:55   is and what basically amounts to a [TS]

00:55:56   bathing suit and knee-high boots go [TS]

00:55:58   ahead and and she looks like barbarella [TS]

00:56:00   just like why not and you know it's it's [TS]

00:56:03   the the art feels really fresh and very [TS]

00:56:05   cosmopolitan and [TS]

00:56:07   I i think it adds to the overall [TS]

00:56:09   relatability the story like i can see [TS]

00:56:12   myself giving these these trades to [TS]

00:56:14   people who don't read comics at all i'm [TS]

00:56:16   going to seriously this is really [TS]

00:56:17   presented beautifully [TS]

00:56:19   what do you think well I really sucked [TS]

00:56:21   me and I've never really read comics i [TS]

00:56:23   have written about it i haven't had [TS]

00:56:24   growing up I didn't have the opportunity [TS]

00:56:26   to read them they just weren't sold they [TS]

00:56:28   weren't in my local library like it was [TS]

00:56:31   for boys right like it was just [TS]

00:56:32   implicitly for boys and where I grew up [TS]

00:56:35   and so I never and then I got into you [TS]

00:56:38   know my twenties and thirties and I was [TS]

00:56:39   like it's too much work like their [TS]

00:56:41   devices heart and so I never did you [TS]

00:56:44   know it's just like I have other things [TS]

00:56:45   to do i'm not even gonna bother with [TS]

00:56:47   this so i started and well i started [TS]

00:56:49   with alias in the pulse so it's really [TS]

00:56:51   just been since the beginning of sep [TS]

00:56:52   tember and I don't want to disclose how [TS]

00:56:54   much I've spent on comics since then but [TS]

00:56:56   later yeah yeah yeah it started with a [TS]

00:56:59   release in the pulse and then i read [TS]

00:57:01   miss marvel and I just sucked it down I [TS]

00:57:03   was like this is amazing and now i'm [TS]

00:57:05   circling around and I've been reading a [TS]

00:57:08   captain marvel today every like 20 [TS]

00:57:10   issues for Captain Marvel today things [TS]

00:57:12   marvel unlimited of it so you can put [TS]

00:57:15   the art style i'm reading it and i'm i'm [TS]

00:57:18   i'm looking at the 2012 and 2012 run is [TS]

00:57:22   what I'm reading right now so it's like [TS]

00:57:23   and you know Carol Danvers in this like [TS]

00:57:26   bodysuit and she's got like these really [TS]

00:57:29   prominent abs and very well-defined [TS]

00:57:31   boobs and I'm like welcome to comics [TS]

00:57:35   yeah that's gross in it it's like it's a [TS]

00:57:38   it's an interesting story but I'm [TS]

00:57:40   finding I find myself that i'm not but i [TS]

00:57:42   find myself not looking at the art very [TS]

00:57:44   much [TS]

00:57:44   oh it's you find a book illustrated by [TS]

00:57:46   great land no don't you know and it yeah [TS]

00:57:51   i mean the story's great I i find that [TS]

00:57:53   i'm really loving Kelly Sue's writing so [TS]

00:57:56   you have read but all the run of bitch [TS]

00:57:58   planet so far and like am really into it [TS]

00:58:01   and I just can't look at the art and and [TS]

00:58:03   I know that is vastly improved from you [TS]

00:58:05   know before the before times long long [TS]

00:58:08   ago but it's just weird and everybody [TS]

00:58:12   just I don't know it's another thing I [TS]

00:58:13   really love about miss marvel [TS]

00:58:14   yeah i agree the incomparable this week [TS]

00:58:17   is also sponsored by us our t-shirt sale [TS]

00:58:19   is continuing the Zeppelin and the [TS]

00:58:21   about are on sale until februari 4 2016 [TS]

00:58:24   go to the incomparable calm / shirt for [TS]

00:58:27   links before we go I let's do a quick [TS]

00:58:31   round of what you're reading a lien [TS]

00:58:33   we've heard I think everything that [TS]

00:58:34   she's been reading record but if there [TS]

00:58:38   are any comics that are out there that [TS]

00:58:39   you'd like to recommend to people before [TS]

00:58:41   we go I think this would be a great time [TS]

00:58:43   Shannon you have anything else that [TS]

00:58:44   you're that you're reading right now i [TS]

00:58:46   just bought Sandman overture but the [TS]

00:58:48   hardback came out yesterday i've read [TS]

00:58:50   like the first four issues and then we [TS]

00:58:53   lost track and like didn't buy a couple [TS]

00:58:54   so I'm looking forward to reading that [TS]

00:58:57   next [TS]

00:58:58   alright Lisa what are you what are you [TS]

00:59:00   reading that's interesting and worth [TS]

00:59:01   people checking out as as people have [TS]

00:59:04   heard out many times I came up on Marvel [TS]

00:59:06   and i'm reading over Tony send or tell [TS]

00:59:09   me to read right now frankly I was like [TS]

00:59:10   oh man please don't say the things that [TS]

00:59:12   like I told you read and now i can't say [TS]

00:59:14   i have nothing [TS]

00:59:15   lisa is dangerous no it was at least I [TS]

00:59:18   only read the things you tell me to read [TS]

00:59:20   by the ideas coming the gift of the magi [TS]

00:59:23   situation crazy [TS]

00:59:25   let's see I think I've read about the [TS]

00:59:27   wicked the divine before so I'm eagerly [TS]

00:59:29   awaiting the next trade compilation for [TS]

00:59:31   that and i finally got my last trade for [TS]

00:59:35   Hawkeye was a real Broadway it's called [TS]

00:59:37   yeah and so finishing out that series [TS]

00:59:40   and i really love how that ended and i'm [TS]

00:59:42   kelly and that put on your list Hawkeye [TS]

00:59:44   yeah okay i think he was going to visit [TS]

00:59:47   me because i have a library of all of [TS]

00:59:49   these before but I i seriously okay [TS]

00:59:53   so-so the cmn series was on sale [TS]

00:59:57   comiXology so i spent 72 dollars buying [TS]

00:59:59   that [TS]

00:59:59   that [TS]

01:00:00   lake that's a habit as a bargain that is [TS]

01:00:03   very I'm that'sthat's that wasn't in the [TS]

01:00:04   budget i'm kind of out of control with [TS]

01:00:06   comics now i need to adjust intervention [TS]

01:00:08   you know what yeah you got into the [TS]

01:00:10   wrong way to like it's 10 $72 to make [TS]

01:00:13   myself a better person I would have [TS]

01:00:14   already read can't do that again and I [TS]

01:00:17   paid way more than 70 have the fancy [TS]

01:00:21   hard books that are like seventy dollars [TS]

01:00:22   each [TS]

01:00:23   yeah my wish list for a really long time [TS]

01:00:25   and then this happened and answers like [TS]

01:00:28   a Mayan and you will get said what what [TS]

01:00:30   I just do it please let us all enable [TS]

01:00:34   you because you're awful you were not [TS]

01:00:37   and I really appreciate it thank you [TS]

01:00:39   if you need to put in writing letters so [TS]

01:00:43   what super funny is that and I i watch [TS]

01:00:45   out the classic my growl run is coming [TS]

01:00:48   out slowly and trade paperbacks now and [TS]

01:00:50   so I'm up to like trade paperback number [TS]

01:00:52   4 on that as well that has the hyper [TS]

01:00:54   realistic anatomically detailed [TS]

01:00:56   everybody looks like mr. universe some [TS]

01:00:58   contestants are two it combined with [TS]

01:01:02   nineteen eighties aesthetics but it's [TS]

01:01:04   interesting because he had tried to [TS]

01:01:06   write a book which is basically what [TS]

01:01:08   happens if you have a couple vigilantes [TS]

01:01:11   who have become kind of psychologically [TS]

01:01:12   damaged by being vigilant days there d [TS]

01:01:14   powered and they're living in seattle [TS]

01:01:16   um and it was it such an egg's [TS]

01:01:19   comparatively exotic setting and a [TS]

01:01:22   pretty wild premise for the nineteen [TS]

01:01:23   eighties and I i'm really enjoying this [TS]

01:01:24   series [TS]

01:01:25   um you know it's it's sort of the same [TS]

01:01:27   thrill you get if you read a book that [TS]

01:01:29   defined a decade [TS]

01:01:31   you know like you go and you rebellion [TS]

01:01:33   the dolls like oh my god son of the late [TS]

01:01:34   sixties makes so much sense on the [TS]

01:01:36   picture and this is like that for comics [TS]

01:01:38   Tony what are you reading us so i would [TS]

01:01:42   probably start to read [TS]

01:01:44   yes but what we've talked about about [TS]

01:01:46   Batman indeed i think some of that I [TS]

01:01:48   don't know maybe that all gets edited [TS]

01:01:49   out of that are Flashman yeah he will [TS]

01:01:54   talk okay alright i recently read a I [TS]

01:02:00   think the first three or four volumes of [TS]

01:02:03   the new secret avengers which is there's [TS]

01:02:07   there's a lot of different secret [TS]

01:02:08   avengers and it's one of those things [TS]

01:02:09   where they keep starting over [TS]

01:02:10   yeah but the author for the ones i like [TS]

01:02:12   is i [TS]

01:02:13   khat KO tea and their their wacky i like [TS]

01:02:16   i like superhero comics irie Batman and [TS]

01:02:19   then I like things that don't take [TS]

01:02:20   themselves too seriously like a balance [TS]

01:02:22   it out and secret avengers is very wacky [TS]

01:02:25   so it's you know sometimes it's trying a [TS]

01:02:26   little too hard to be a fraction Hawkeye [TS]

01:02:29   it's you know it's not there but it's [TS]

01:02:31   still it's it's wacky and fun and I like [TS]

01:02:33   it [TS]

01:02:33   alright I got a I got a couple I i I've [TS]

01:02:36   read I've enjoyed a couple issues of the [TS]

01:02:39   the newest again because Marvel's [TS]

01:02:42   recounting with from number one again [TS]

01:02:44   the newest guardians of the galaxy [TS]

01:02:45   series because it features Kitty Pryde [TS]

01:02:48   and Ben Grimm which means that pretty [TS]

01:02:50   soon they're going to be celebrating [TS]

01:02:51   space Hanukkah very excited and that is [TS]

01:02:54   literally brian michael bendis finally [TS]

01:02:56   has executed on his plan to have [TS]

01:02:58   Marvel's most prominent Jewish [TS]

01:02:59   characters team up together and I think [TS]

01:03:01   it's actually pretty cool and they're in [TS]

01:03:03   space saving space invincible which lisa [TS]

01:03:08   turned me onto a million years ago has [TS]

01:03:09   had an enjoyable story arc that's about [TS]

01:03:11   that's two-thirds of the way through now [TS]

01:03:12   called reboot ? where the main character [TS]

01:03:15   gets get its starting an issue 124 where [TS]

01:03:19   the main character gets sent back to [TS]

01:03:21   issue one of his own comic book except [TS]

01:03:24   he remembers everything that's happened [TS]

01:03:26   in the last hundred and twenty-three [TS]

01:03:28   issues and so he tries to prevent the [TS]

01:03:31   events of a hundred and twenty-three [TS]

01:03:33   issues ago from happening and and it's a [TS]

01:03:37   great knowing parody on comic book [TS]

01:03:40   reboots and also a fun story where with [TS]

01:03:44   where we get to go back to the beginning [TS]

01:03:45   knowing what we know now and it's a [TS]

01:03:48   Robert Kirkman just I love it supports [TS]

01:03:51   my favorite superhero comic is great and [TS]

01:03:53   this reboot thing is a really fun and [TS]

01:03:56   really fun storyline and the other ones [TS]

01:04:00   I mentioned least mention wicked in the [TS]

01:04:01   divine i just finished vol.2 of that I [TS]

01:04:04   have some issues with it but I i decided [TS]

01:04:06   that i really want to know what happens [TS]

01:04:08   next I think that's a good sign that I [TS]

01:04:09   that I care about it's got some some [TS]

01:04:11   things that I'm like yeah I don't really [TS]

01:04:13   I'm not really sure why that's in there [TS]

01:04:15   i think i think i'm picking up on Karen [TS]

01:04:17   Gillan's tix and he's gotten tix that I [TS]

01:04:20   don't particularly appreciate but [TS]

01:04:22   overall I i think it's i think it's fun [TS]

01:04:25   and weird and and I like that about it [TS]

01:04:29   and total uh sort of friend of the [TS]

01:04:31   podcast watch i just finished volume 2 [TS]

01:04:33   of the fuse by our friend and [TS]

01:04:35   incomparable podcaster anthony johnson [TS]

01:04:38   which is a the best the best space where [TS]

01:04:40   you can read today it is really [TS]

01:04:42   enjoyable space station mystery cop you [TS]

01:04:47   are exactly right it's not really funny [TS]

01:04:49   and so I think if you read killin [TS]

01:04:50   McKelvey's phonogram which is about [TS]

01:04:53   music and witchcraft and magic all of a [TS]

01:04:55   sudden a lot of things and we can divine [TS]

01:04:57   make a lot more sense because there they [TS]

01:05:00   basically mind the same themes and they [TS]

01:05:02   go into different directions with the [TS]

01:05:03   two books and monogram is is is great [TS]

01:05:07   especially for people who lived through [TS]

01:05:08   the music scenes of the issues in height [TS]

01:05:10   it is and um i will i will create a [TS]

01:05:13   wicked and divine uh that uh the way [TS]

01:05:17   it's constructed not only does every [TS]

01:05:18   issue have a very great ending point the [TS]

01:05:21   trades have fantastic the trades are [TS]

01:05:24   broken at the big plot twists yeah [TS]

01:05:28   really doesn't they do a very good job [TS]

01:05:30   with that and the way it's structured [TS]

01:05:31   where it's this pantheon of gods and you [TS]

01:05:33   move through them one by one and it's a [TS]

01:05:35   it's a very certainly ambitious and I [TS]

01:05:38   like the ambition even though there's [TS]

01:05:39   some things that bug thing might [TS]

01:05:42   actually have two more and can i just [TS]

01:05:43   want to take bailey what else have you [TS]

01:05:46   read yeah yeah yeahs the unbeatable [TS]

01:05:48   squirrel girl which I don't think is [TS]

01:05:51   super awesome but I think it's pretty [TS]

01:05:52   awesome and what I really like about [TS]

01:05:54   that is she problem solvers rather than [TS]

01:05:57   just hitting things like she hits things [TS]

01:06:00   and then she's like wait what's another [TS]

01:06:01   way we can approach this problem so I'm [TS]

01:06:04   so yeah she sends one guy who's off to [TS]

01:06:06   attack you know he's like I'm super [TS]

01:06:08   strong and I can kill anything she's [TS]

01:06:10   like well what about all these ocean [TS]

01:06:11   things like the Leviathan and so he like [TS]

01:06:14   goes to the ocean to attack them instead [TS]

01:06:16   of people and so things like that i [TS]

01:06:18   think are pretty cool and then gym and [TS]

01:06:20   the Holograms is actually really really [TS]

01:06:22   good really good [TS]

01:06:24   ok I i'm ok i'm going to fill in and say [TS]

01:06:28   444 my for my lovely wife she would like [TS]

01:06:31   to endorse a lumberjanes as well which [TS]

01:06:34   is allied with the first rain it was [TS]

01:06:36   really fun at all Stevenson who did Mona [TS]

01:06:38   which is fantastic if you haven't read [TS]

01:06:40   Mona Mona now available as a book on [TS]

01:06:43   paper after living its life as a [TS]

01:06:45   webcomic and then to that I got [TS]

01:06:48   recommended to me that i want to give [TS]

01:06:50   kind of a quick a quick reaction to [TS]

01:06:54   so-so paper girls it's set in and 1988 [TS]

01:06:58   and there's a there's a it's a they plug [TS]

01:07:00   it as a standby me meets war of the [TS]

01:07:02   worlds [TS]

01:07:03   I thought it was okay kinda interesting [TS]

01:07:05   see what he's trying to do with it [TS]

01:07:07   didn't didn't love it but i liked it i [TS]

01:07:10   also had we stand on guard recommended [TS]

01:07:12   to me which also is bryan cave on and [TS]

01:07:14   this is about a dystopian future where [TS]

01:07:16   the United States has destroyed Canada [TS]

01:07:18   but Canada is fighting back as they have [TS]

01:07:22   resistance cells in the future and I [TS]

01:07:25   don't I didn't like it i thought i [TS]

01:07:26   wasn't very good and i don't recommend [TS]

01:07:28   it so look there's me being mean it's [TS]

01:07:31   good it's good to when authors swing and [TS]

01:07:34   a Miss it's good to do that to ya [TS]

01:07:36   Frankie von he's busy he's putting stuff [TS]

01:07:39   out there he's not just doing saga he's [TS]

01:07:41   got a lot of stuff going on [TS]

01:07:42   I'm glad you talked about we stand on [TS]

01:07:44   guard because i was intrigued by the [TS]

01:07:45   premise and now I know to Justin to cool [TS]

01:07:48   my jets on it for a while the first few [TS]

01:07:49   pages of it like wow this is going to be [TS]

01:07:51   amazing and then you get to the end with [TS]

01:07:53   the actual story is more like an I [TS]

01:07:54   always I was ya know so much but the the [TS]

01:07:58   other one is more fascinating because it [TS]

01:07:59   is an eighties nostalgia trip kind of [TS]

01:08:01   thing and that's kind of interesting but [TS]

01:08:03   and it's a it's like stand by me except [TS]

01:08:07   all the characters are our girls not [TS]

01:08:10   boys so that that's an interesting paper [TS]

01:08:12   girl's gonna get paper they got a paper [TS]

01:08:14   route they got here that says it's from [TS]

01:08:16   the paper oh alright well I think we've [TS]

01:08:18   done enough damage for one for one [TS]

01:08:21   episode and it's been fun to talk about [TS]

01:08:23   this tomorrow will be interesting to see [TS]

01:08:24   where she goes next we'll have to be [TS]

01:08:26   watching we're going to keep our ride [TS]

01:08:27   expressed her [TS]

01:08:28   yep alright i'd like to thank my panel [TS]

01:08:30   for joining me in a completely other [TS]

01:08:33   order that is not draft related at all [TS]

01:08:35   Shannon center thank you so much for [TS]

01:08:36   being here [TS]

01:08:37   absolutely it's a pleasure Lisa [TS]

01:08:39   Schmeisser thank you i had a great time [TS]

01:08:41   with everybody [TS]

01:08:42   this was fun we'll have to do it again [TS]

01:08:43   what what we read next we'll have to [TS]

01:08:45   figure that out only in Sims thanks for [TS]

01:08:48   being here thanks for having me and I'm [TS]

01:08:50   sorry that we are costing you so much in [TS]

01:08:51   comics [TS]

01:08:52   no not not only mildly sorry [TS]

01:08:55   and we're friends not accounts sorry [TS]

01:08:57   that's true that's true and Tony [TS]

01:09:00   sindelar thank you [TS]

01:09:01   a pleasure goodbye nerds goodbye nerds [TS]

01:09:03   and I well I'll second that notion [TS]

01:09:05   thanks to everybody out there for [TS]

01:09:06   listening to be uncomfortable we will [TS]

01:09:07   see you next time [TS]

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