The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► the incomparable number of 283 January [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► hello everyone and welcome back to the [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► incomparable for a sort of flash cast [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► episode in response to the very sad [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► death of David Bowie earlier this week [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► i'm your host Anthony Johnson and with [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► me today making time at very short [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► notice is Erica inside hello and happy [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► and sad to be here [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► yeah I think we all are yes the [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► internets dr. drank hello and David law [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► hello there yeah I think we're all kind [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► of both happy and sad to be here you [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► know we all love talking about Bowie we [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► all loved him that's why we want to do a [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► podcast about him but at the same time [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► of course we're very sad that he's gone [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► and he had such an incredible life and [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► left such an incredible legacy his body [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► of work is enormous his his legacy and [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► reputation are enormous and nobody could [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► say that he didn't live life to the [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► absolute Felicia he lived five six seven [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► lifetimes in the space of of one in his [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► you know all too short time in the world [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► I'm obviously we'll talk about that [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► throughout the course of the show but at [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► the same time there is no way we could [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► cover the whole thing i did it a [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► one-point i considered maybe [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► chronologically going through his career [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► and then I looked ahead and we were [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► doing here take a while right you [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► thought Star Wars was bad [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► we would be here until next year year [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► and so instead and I think this is [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► appropriate for this sort of show [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► instead I want to focus on what we meant [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► to us to each of us and the legacy he [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► will leave behind in our own lives and [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► so the first thing I'm gonna ask and I'm [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► going to ask i'm going to ask erica this [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► first because Erica you're the youngest [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► here haha I yes you are [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► yeah what was what was the first Bowie [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► song you heard how how did you hear it [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► how did you then get further into his [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► work and why what was it you know that [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► you heard you saw in him or in his work [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► made you want to seek out more of this [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► this strange emiliana cartas test [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► boy this is a lot like when i get a [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► similar question about Doctor Who I [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► don't have a good answer because I just [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► grew up with David Bowie as a part of [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► the fabric of my life my parents were [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► rock'n'roll fans and my dad loved David [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► Bowie so it was just this music that I [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► always kind of knew I i always say that [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► the rise and fall of ziggy stardust and [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► the spiders from mars is my favorite [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► album because i think that was the first [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► album that I learned to love as a piece [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► like as as all one you know I mean I'd I [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► think as a really little kid I i [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► gravitated toward the beatles because [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► you know all papi and stuff but I [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► remember being in junior high and high [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► school and just sort of it wasn't [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► discovering because i had always known [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► how about the East artists but I guess [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► rediscovering this is crazy science [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► fiction album because I was always a [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► huge geek as a kid and I just sort of [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► learned that [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► hey you can you can do anything in music [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► it doesn't have to just be that sounds [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► and and notes and and and fun words or [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► even you know you're touching words it [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► can it can tell stories and that was the [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► first time I recognize that music could [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► tell stories in that particular way so i [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► would just listen to that album over and [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► over and over and over again and yes I [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► guess I don't have a first song i don't [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► know exactly when i heard it at first [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► but I do know that it was David Bowie [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► that opened my eyes to a whole new Vista [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► of the way that music could tell a story [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► and then from there you know I got into [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► other things that he did and you know of [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► course had that stereotypical girl crush [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► on the super androgynous amazingly [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► sensual person that David Bowie was but [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► it really started with with that album [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► with these artists that's that's really [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► interesting for the for two reasons I [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► think firstly the storytelling thing [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► because that was such a big part of his [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► work and Bowie I remember an interview [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► very early on in his career where he was [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► asked to describe himself i think it was [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► just started moving into acting and [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► somebody said you know what do you think [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► of yourself as are you a performer are [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► you a songwriter are you an actor and he [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► just said I'm a storyteller and I [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► thought that was a wonderful way of [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► encapsulating everything that he did and [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► a large part of the appeal of his work [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► but also um so but this would have been [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► around the time i'm guessing that this [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► would have been around the time that in [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► the charts he was doing stuff like the [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► let's dance [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► Aaron so you were aware of bowie already [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► that was what was in the charts but it [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► was Iggy Stardust that really grabbed me [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► that's interesting I mean I loved the [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► the radio stuff and I was hearing to and [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► and I think that even at that time [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► there's a part of me that recognize like [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► this is the same guy he looks completely [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► different and that in itself was another [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► thing to to sort of draw me in but I [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► think it also imparts he started because [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► that was I think that was one of my [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► dad's favorite albums of his he had a [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► whole bunch of my vinyl I remember just [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► looking at all the album covers as [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► pieces of artwork when i was young i [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► think the first thing that that really [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► maybe go and re-examine Ziggy Stardust [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► in a more profound way was i had a group [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► of friends who are in a a band in high [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► school and they were thinking of [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► covering suffragette city and I go yeah [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► that song i know that song and around [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► that time I my mom mentioned that her [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► favorite part of that song with the wham [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► bam thank you ma'am line which is not [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► only was I discovering David Bowie but I [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► was discovering my mother is like a [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► really full cool person which is kind of [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► a neat thing to discover so think you [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► did it boy for that as well so yes that [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► was when I really just started listening [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► to the album over and over again because [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► I go yeah i know that song i should [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► listen to it and then I just it was like [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► falling into a whirlpool and and [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► understanding so much more on the other [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► side that's interesting you mentioned [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► the the cover of the biggest donation [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► sore but there were no there was a sort [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► of impromptu gathering of people at [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► headin straight where they album cover [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► phys ed sanders was shot i saw some of [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► the pictures on Twitter and I was like [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► that is just what an amazing testament [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► to the [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► life's work of this person that did like [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► I got misty and wish I was there right [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► right i mean the four years is long gone [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► you know mode the street looks quite [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► different now but yeah everybody knows [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► where that everybody find anyone knows [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► where that photo was taken and so I mean [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► there were gathering in Brixton where he [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► was born and there's a mural outside [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► brixton tube station as well which you [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► know so you'd expect people together [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► there but I thought it was interesting [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► that a lot of people did go to heaven [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► street specifically to the ziggy [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► stardust location you know I water in [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► fact that album that album cover had its [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► like the zebra stripe abbey road [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► yeah it is you know maybe not it's not [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► at that level there's no you know web [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► camera up constantly focused on it to [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► watch tourists go oppose themselves and [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► as you say if it doesn't look quite the [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► same you know you don't you don't get [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► the whatever the kwest sign over over [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► the time you know it's not doesn't have [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► quite the impact but still that's that [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► is an iconic album cover and it's very [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► much a location [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► it absolutely is yet alright so yet dr. [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► trying to tell us about your experiences [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► started getting into Bowie and [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► discovering bow [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► well I i have similar troubles America [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► had it complicated by the fact that I'm [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► of course much much older and so I [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► started listening to popular music in [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► about nineteen seventy-two which would [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► have put me at the right age and I was [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► 12 the time would put me at the right [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► age to of listen to ziggy stardust aziz [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► ziggy stardust wasn't on top 40 am radio [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► in the states and this time don't bring [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► out there listening to it right so what [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► I was hearing at that time for whatever [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► reason there was a lot of philly soul [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► earth wind and fire the o'jays stuff [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► like that was playing a lot very popular [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► all Elton John of course to what was at [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► that time and you know I continued [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► listening to that as I was going through [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► junior high [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► off and i believe the first Bowie that I [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► heard in New was Bowie would have been [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► something off of the young Americans [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► album know whether was young Americans [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► itself whether it was Fame I don't know [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► but it almost had to be that because [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► that was a solo album and it's sort of [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► fit in with what [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► for whatever reason I mean there's a [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► top-40 station y sol was was was such a [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► big deal on that I think have to do with [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► the DJ who is on at night when I [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► listened [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► that's that's what sort of in keeping so [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► i think it was probably young Americans [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► or fame [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► interestingly you know this was before I [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► was a Beatles fan really are so i've got [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► i didn't come to fame through the john [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► lennon channel like I came at it through [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► while it was popular of course but [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► through the David Bowie channel and then [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► after that it probably wasn't until you [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► know when I then I'm picking up whatever [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► comes [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► whatever comes working after the young [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► American station to station so you're [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► getting golden years right and TVC 15 [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► which I just a spectacular song arm [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► which I'll probably say many times [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► during the show and then some time in [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► college I kind of went back and went [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► into it you know then you start [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► recognizing oh no i've been hearing [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► these songs I just didn't know who it [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► was and then i but then i started to [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► more excavate and and find ziggy [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► stardust of course a hunky dory to some [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► extent know and you know probably the [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► song that most makes Bowie fit on the [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► incomparable network which is space [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► oddity of course yes ah yeah you know [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► you that was that sort of like air you [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► know it's it it was I get always been [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► it has always been there although I [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► guess it didn't get issued as a single [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► in the states until sometime in the [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► early to mid seventies [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► oh that's interesting maybe after the [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► success of young berry [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► kids behind yeah or maybe or maybe I [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► think on the heels of ziggy because he [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► did he did as a key coloring ok and so [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► it was probably they said hey you know [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► there was this thing that was kind of a [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► hit in England maybe we should issue it [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► over here and i think it was so frankly [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► that maybe that was the first thing I [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► heard but the first thing that I heard [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► that I knew was David Bowie i'm pretty [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► sure was on young Americans and what was [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► that about that that sort of the drug [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► you and I mean you said you were [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► listening to radio was playing soul [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► music so i assume that you liked soul so [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► yeah I did and and it was uh it was [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► extremely popular music music here at [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► the time and uh it it had this weird I [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► mean you could you heard parts of you [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► know earth wind and fire or whatever in [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► it but of course was very different [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► because the vocals are very different [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► and well and it was an Englishman's take [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► on absolutely very American kind of [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► music [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► absolutely and you know later on I [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► recognized you know he's got the [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► instrumentation a little bit different [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► there are a lot of things that are that [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► are different about it but there was [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► enough there that made it sound like [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► what I had been listening to uh to draw [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► me and I've always found the success of [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► young Americans the popularity of young [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► Americans in America quite fascinating [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► because it is like to us you know to [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► English people when we were growing up [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► it did sound like an American record but [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► haha as an adult now having you know [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► sort of obviously heard a lot of [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► American soul it's so clearly not you [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► know it's so obviously a sort of an [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► outsider's take on that form of music [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► and yet it is still very popular in [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► america i think Americans have always [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► been interested in hearing what other [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► cultures the UK especially sort of think [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► of our are pop culture [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► I mean young Americans is one example [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► but also American Gods by Neil Gaiman [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► which he wrote after living here for [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► quite a while which it's just it you can [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► very clearly see that it is the United [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► States our country well it was my [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► country at the time viewed through the [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► eyes and the lens of somebody who is [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► from elsewhere and the same thing [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► happened with with young Americans [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► well and of course in my own field the [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► popularity of thinking about it of [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► English writers doing superhero comics [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► it doesn't hurt the next a good song [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► oh sure but i mean that's that's we grew [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► me and I'm in the album as a whole but [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► yes I mean yeah where is the song is is [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► a great great song so yet David tell us [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► about your experiences whatever I'm [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► starting to sense a theme here and I [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► want to come back together but tell us [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► about your experiences first was gonna [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► say doctor during stole my answer [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► yeah i mean your two older than the [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► ziggy stardust album and probably the [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► first thing i heard was either Space [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► Oddity or something from young Americans [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► and even at that you know I don't know [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► how consciously it was because I was [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► really young at the time and when in [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► 1983 we moved from Florida to New York [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► and so suddenly I'm thrown into a whole [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► new world a whole a very different kind [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► of school and and situation everything [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► and I latched on to music because that [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► was a constant that was something that i [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► could listen to and talk to other people [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► about and that's right about when the oh [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► what's the album [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► oh gosh the let's dance album head yes [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► 83 with with china doll and let's dance [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► in modern love and everything and I you [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► know I fell in love with that album and [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► that was right about the time when i'm [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► i'm able to go to record stores on my [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► own and check things out and listen [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► stuff and go to the library text amount [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► and I'm going ok I want to hear more of [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► this guy and realizing that i had heard [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► more of him all of my life and just [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► hadn't associated the name right so it [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► was like all of these songs that i [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► recognized and going how and then [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► hearing them in the context of the album [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► right instead of just the singles and [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► and from that point on I just I paid [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► attention and kept collecting so the [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► theme here clearly is that for all of us [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► we've all just kind of grown up with his [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► music being always there and very much a [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► part of our lives grown-up and exactly [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► the same is true for me my mother [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► was probably a bigger boat we found my [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► father but my father liked him fine as [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► well my mother had a few albums [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► including changes but we of course like [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► this one of the first best of which is [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► it you know a great introduction to [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► bowie so light you guys I can't actually [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► remember the first Bowie song that I [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► heard the first sort of the first one [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► where i was aware of all this is [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► interesting and it's this guy Bowie and [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► I should pay attention was actually [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► ashes to ashes [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► ok which was a I don't know whether how [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► well that was received in the US but in [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► the UK that was a big hit that was like [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► it because it had the the really weird [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► music video [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► it was an odd sounding song anyway it [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► was played on the radio all the time we [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► would see the video on television on Top [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► of the Pops it was a big thing and that [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► was the first thing that made me sort of [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► really pay attention and attracted me to [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► him as an artist to make me then go back [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► and sort of as you said that you know [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► really seek his records in my mother's [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► collection and sort of listen to stuff i [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► also had my my father's brother my uncle [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► made me compilation tapes of early Bowie [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► stuff so i was listening to things like [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► you know a lot insane and diamond dogs [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► when I was quite young but it was all [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► mixed up because he would cut out what [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► he thought was a boring tracks soon so I [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► have what I can sing along to things [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► like Joe the lion and panic and [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► destroyed [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► no problem but some of the other tracks [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► on those albums that are you know Lex [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► papi i am barely have ever heard really [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► are i'm curious Anthony you you so ashes [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► to ashes of the first one you remember [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► what did you think of it because it's [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► it's a follow-on song right there [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► yes I what did you and it wasn't just a [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► while that you know there's this there's [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► this interesting lyric about a guy [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► called major time I don't know what it [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► means but it's a cool song is that how [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► is that how you have [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► but honestly that i do not remember i [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► think i had already heard Space Oddity [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► at that point because of my parents [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► record collection which I just traded [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► for everything like my entire you know [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► musical foundation is based on my [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► parents record collection i think i'd [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► already heard it so I think I got the [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► reference or if I didn't maybe my mom [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► may actually have even told me because [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► she was quite a Bowie fan so she may [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► actually have explained it to me i'm not [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► sure but also i liked it because it was [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► just weird and I was into a lot of weird [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► pop music in the heck it is why does [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► this not surprise me I suppose I suppose [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► but it is i think is fascinating in the [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► Bowie has been such a part of so many [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► people's lives and like it as you said [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► like space oddity is like air or Bowie [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► was like air because he was just he was [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► always there and you know give or take a [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► few blips up and down here and there you [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► could always pretty much rely on Bowie [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► to be good to be interesting you know he [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► was never boring and to be constantly [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► changing which of course he became a [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► famous for write what you know the thing [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► about Bowie was at they're like the [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► first thing I thought of when I when I [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► heard of his death was he just never he [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► was never in all these act ally yes yes [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► and our how many people can you say that [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► up not very many and and still going to [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► his own beat no matter what the area no [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► matter what the style but always somehow [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► being contemporary yeah no matter what [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► was going to be accepted by the audience [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► he teaches did what he wanted everybody [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► had to come along or jump off the train [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► yeah yeah i mean the were again there [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► were a couple of periods where that [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► wasn't the case and post let's dance is [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► the most famous example where he did [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► really have a bit of a meltdown because [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► he was trying to please his existing [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► audience but the majority of his career [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► yet he danced to the beat of a different [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► drum he really did and he led the way in [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► many cases not always sometimes he was a [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► an early adopter of an existing trend [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► but a lot of the times he was more than [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► an early adopter he was you know an [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► instigator and an innovator he appeared [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► in a in a video game for goodness sakes [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► and wrote the soundtrack to it [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► omicron nomads soul they've actually [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► Ubisoft have made that free for download [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► magic memory is done [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► oh good i haven't I mean I played it [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► when it first came out because David [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► Bowie doing music and and yeah I know [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► however if I ever made it all the way [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► through but it's one of those things I [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► always meant to go back to and try to [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► continue it glitched out on me so I [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► couldn't finish but I still got to a few [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► of the cutscenes where you get to see [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► digital David Bowie performing his you [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► know sort of lounge act in this this [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► club and it was just I was I was [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► transported it was that was probably one [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► of the highlights of my entire video [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► gaming experience was just that moment [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► just because i was watching TV and he [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► did cross media as we know he was an [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► actor he did do things like soundtracks [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► and stuff as well and so okay let's let [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► me just talk about that for a little [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► while i am have you all I mean everybody [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► seen labyrinth obviously uh yeah I have [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► Oh surely really how I have not well you [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► know whether to come out sexy sir [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► ya see I'm I'm an adult by that time I'm [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► I'm uh I'm growing up I married and it [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► was something that I kind of wanted to [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► see and and I was actually going to [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► watch it last night as as prep because I [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► figured it was going to come up and [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► things and things happened and I can I [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► couldn't I my movies watching time got [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► cut short and I couldn't couldn't watch [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► it so no i have not seen I mean I know [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► I've seen the pictures so many times but [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► I all I will step back and let Erica [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► talk about the brand [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► well I'd so will I but i just want to [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► quickly say I eyesore in the cinema and [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► then I didn't see it again except that [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► are my parents my sister is quite a bit [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► younger than me and my parents bought a [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► VHS copy of it for my sister when she [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► was a child and anybody who has children [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► are very young siblings knows that [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► when they like something they will [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► consume it again and again and again and [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► again and so I have seen labyrinth more [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► times and probably any other movie just [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► because of my sister but I don't have [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► that excuse i did not discover labyrinth [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► as a child [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► actually it was at which is weird [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► considering how much my parents like [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► David Bowie but i'm pretty sure i did [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► not see it around the time it came out I [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► didn't discover it until i was just [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► hardcore into that David Bowie phase [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► where i was trying to find everything I [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► could find with him and so I think it [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► was probably my junior or senior year of [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► high school [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► so as a teenager that I saw it and [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► because I was so in love with a boy of [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► course i fell in love this film also its [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► I mean it it's basically a a wizard of [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► oz style girl gets to escape her you [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► know drudgery life into a world of [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► fantasy which is right up my alley [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► so this movie was kind of tailor made [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► for me and I fell in love with it and I [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► was the one to watch it over and over [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► and over again at one point I actually [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► had five different copies of labyrinth [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► because i have the version i had taped [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► off of the Disney Channel and I had the [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► VHS version and they had the VHS special [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► edition and then I got the DVD and I [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► mean it was just it went on I had the [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► soundtrack i was i was a little [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► labyrinth crazy and it became my sort of [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► my touchstone it was my comfort movie [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► every time life got scary or unsettled [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► that's what I would would watch to sort [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► of ground myself in the world so when I [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► went away to college first time away [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► from my family everything was scary I [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► was really shy kid I i would watch it [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► almost nightly in college and I got to [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► the point where my roommate thought this [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► was just insane but I could turn on the [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► movie and then kind of start drifting to [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► sleep but i would wake up for every [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► single David Bowie seen no other ones [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► let's see the rest of the movie but if [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► David Bowie was on the screen i would [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► wake up i would sit up and she was like [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► you're in see what's wrong with you my [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► poor roommate just compete thought it [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► was crazy but he was a he was just I [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► mean it's it is a kids movie there's no [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► question about that but there's an awful [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► lot more that you can read into it [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► looking at it with an adult-sized his [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► character to my mind doesn't appear in [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► the movie often enough but he's there [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► he's there enough to [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► to sort of feed you this Great backstory [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► he's he's suddenly underplaying enough [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► parts that you know I've built this [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► wonderful headcanon about about the [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► background of this character and and [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► he's he's not a mush mustache twirling [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► villain he is he's a pained and broken [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► character who just just wants love gosh [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► darn it and doesn't know how to reach [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► out and and take it and this stupid girl [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► blunders in and it tries to save her [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► baby brother and she just does it all [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► wrong as far as I'm concerned if I was [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► the only because things are going very [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► very differently [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► yeah i've never written fanfic in my [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► life but the labyrinth is the very [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► closest I've ever come to you doing that [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► because it needs to be fixed [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► Wow well you know you're listening to [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► the labyrinth headcanon right and you [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► free access the library's vertical our [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► three [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► you remind me of the babe Oh labyrinth [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► aside though I mean that was kind of at [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► the time I remember people almost [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► laughed at Bowie you know being in that [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► movie and sort of you but now on [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► reflection we look back and go actually [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► he was pretty good in that and he was a [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► good actor this is the thing about [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► either you know so many rock and pop [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► stars try to move into acting like it [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► just as many as actors try to become [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► rock and pop stars and so many fail but [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► bobby was I mean he famously took mine [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► lessons like was quite a serious minded [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► students early on in his career and [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► that's how we learned some of the [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► wonderful moves that he used to pull on [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► stage and some of the fantastic my work [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► that he did in film but he was as much a [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► performer as he was a songwriter and [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► again it comes back to this it all came [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► together for him to be a storyteller he [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► was just as committed to the craft of [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► acting as he was being a musician and [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► you know we saw that in things like the [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► man who fell to earth and merry [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► christmas mr. lawrence and his stage [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► performance of the Elephant Man which I [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► never saw what i read reviews of and [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► reviewers were falling over themselves [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► to be amazed how brilliant he was in [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► that part and i did want to talk to you [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► David about this because as the [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► professional [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► right here among us as the man who has [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► actually owned a living on the stage [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► what's your sort of assessment if you [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► like Bowie as an actor I think he's he's [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► magnetic he is fantastic i I've never [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► seen him give a bad performance it's [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► interesting the the storyteller comment [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► because I've never heard that but that [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► mean that's kind of how I've taken the [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► other roles i do in theater whether it's [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► designing posters or making sound [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► effects or or even props which nobody is [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► going to see closely except the actors [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► but i always have that in the back of my [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► head is that i am telling a story even [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► in this little tiny medium even this [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► little like 30 seconds of sound that I [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► have to put together to sound like a [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► convincing thing off stage right and [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► that kind of shines through both in his [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► music but in the way he performed on [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► stage and the way he committed two [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► characters in each of the different [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► incarnations he had and then taking it [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► the rest of the way onto the stage and [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► into film i mean the the prestige which [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► is a film i enjoy i like that movie but [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► he walks in it for what five minutes and [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► steals the film [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► oh yes is the best thing in 10 minutes [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► of screen time on that or something and [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► yet nobody thinks of it as oh that's the [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► movie Bowie's it [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► yeah yep and and it's what was what's [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► amazing to me about that one is like [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► like the third man another film i love [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► yes people think Orson Welles is in it [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► for the whole thing they think Harry [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► alignments the main character because [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► everybody talks about Harry Lime for the [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► whole damn movie and nobody talks about [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► Tesla in this he shows up he does his [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► thing he leaves the movie is nothing [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► without and the movie would not be the [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► same without him which is good [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► you know it's it's a beautiful act of [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► movie stealing and and but he was like [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► that in the last temptation of christ [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► right who would cast him as Pontius [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► Pilate but that is a terrific terrific [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► job of casting because he's again he's [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► not just the evil mustache throwing [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► villain right [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► i I just I kind of wish i had been able [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► to see the elephant man on stage because [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► I i can imagine [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► yeah i i'm i'm speechless at half of [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► trying to trying to figure out how to [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► explain it but yeah just that commitment [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► to character which really shines through [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► across all up all the media [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► yeah it really does and as you saying [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► he's you know work as a musician he's [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► the personas they had adopted [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► I mean it's a lesser artist may have and [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► Bowie did feel restricted sometimes by [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► the personas that he built he famously [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► you know effectively killed ziggy [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► stardust because it was becoming a [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► self-fulfilling prophecy [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► you know real life was now starting to [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► mirror the story told on the record and [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► he was being suffocated by the Ziggy [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► Stardust persona but he did manage to [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► move on from it and he didn't panic that [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► he would be nothing without it and he [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► did that so many times throughout his [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► career do you think we ever really got [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► to see the real David Bowie don't see [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► where they're not all the real David [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► Bowie yeah i agree i think i think [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► they're alternately interesting right [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► different facets of his personality [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► well and also i think and i think you [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► remember this career went on for an [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► awfully long time it's it's so what in [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► 45 it's nearly 50-year career that we [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► know him and you know people change / / [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► times like that I mean none of us are [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► the same person we were 20 years ago [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► it's just that you know the people who [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► have seen us over those 20 years have [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► been the ones who are living with us [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► it's it's not fans right who have [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► perhaps a vested interest in one of our [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► versions know he and he that's what he [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► had to live with of course is the people [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► and all artists do when they want to do [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► something new is you know the people who [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► like them for what they were five years [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► ago don't want them to change they [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► wanted to keep churning out the same [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► thing again and again [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► and what was it except and I think [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► Anthony you got this exactly right arm [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► the except Boeing didn't do that except [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► perhaps in the aftermath of let's dance [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► which was such a huge hit for him and [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► sizes such such LOL i think [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► life-changing event we've lost yet [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► yeah uh that he kind of repeated himself [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► a little bit there for her for a couple [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► years [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► yeah he found a huge new audience with [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► let's dance he was starting to feel I'm [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► starting to become irrelevant around [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► that time and then the story is that he [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► he literally went to nile rodgers and [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► sent and said I want to hit let's write [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► a hit [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► I need a hit record and you know and if [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► you're if you're going to write a hit [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► record [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► David Bowie and nile rodgers are pretty [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► much two of the guys you go to do that [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► and it became such a hit and found him [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► out such a huge new audience that [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► suddenly he was more commercially [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► successful than he had ever been earning [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► more money than he ever had doing bigger [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► tours than he ever had and I remember [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► the all the ads for the serious [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► moonlight tour were everywhere under [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► your work together well and even later [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► on in there in the aftermath of things [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► like never let me down you had the glass [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► spider tour which was an enormous [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► production a huge massive stage [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► production that toured all over the [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► place did like four continents or [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► it was ridiculous and yet he was [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► famously burned out at the end of it and [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► that's what led to him sort of [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► retreating away from the spotlight and [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► forming team machine but you know even [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► when you look at that whole area that's [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► still him changing into something else [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► being the chameleon he hadn't yet been [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► the person who was was the hitmaker who [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► was going after commercial success so I [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► don't mean some people i think me look [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► at that face is selling out i look at it [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► is him trying something new yet again [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► oh no I agree completely yeah yeah it's [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► yup the other thing about that about [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► let's dance was that was the first time [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► he was at the time this was considered [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► to come back for him [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► yeah because because he had been away [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► for a few years he had gone off to do [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► Elephant Man are scary monsters was the [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► last album that he had done which was [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► with 79 or 80 or something like that and [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► it didn't have and I don't think you at [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► the time I mean I think now we look back [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► and say what you have a damn good album [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► but I think at the time it was it wasn't [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► as well received maybe some of the stuff [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► that you've done so then he went off and [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► he did Elephant Man use it and we all [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► thought I'm 20 years old at this point [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► I'm in my early twenties during this [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► period i kind of thought David Bowie was [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► done as a musician and he was only going [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► to be doing acting oh wow [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► and I don't know if that was a common [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► view but he had been gone for a long [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► time and the guy had put out albums like [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► clockwork [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► ever since 1970 or so and suddenly in in [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► so you put out 10 11 albums in that [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► decade and then suddenly he went to [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► three years without an album and he had [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► this other thing and we all knew you [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► know because of the stage persona that [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► he personas that he had always adopted [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► in the way his stage shows had always [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► worked we knew he was a very theatrical [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► guy and now okay now he's on broadway in [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► Elephant Man [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► he's done he's he's found the new thing [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► that he's going to do and he's not going [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► to do music anymore is what's up with [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► what i thought at the time and then he [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► comes back with let's dance and yes [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► there's no question it's it's much [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► different from his earlier stuff it is [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► very commercial boy it was good man that [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► was a great apple it really was yeah [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► there's a reason that it was so popular [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► no absolutely and and if you don't think [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► the u-men you everything about his stage [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► shows change because it is it was so [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► massive and he became you know what the [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► way pink floyd turned into or the stones [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► with these gigantic productions are you [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► know he wasn't playing little places [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► uh oh god no no no you bringing normal [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► arenas and stuff yeah no more beer like [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► to guide him but you didn't mention [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► about him putting albums out like [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► clockwork [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► uh I think was the BBC put a chart [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► together a day or two ago with the face [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► of a sort of blurry chronology just his [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► music just looking at you know sort of [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► how successful these albums had been and [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► you look at that period of the seventies [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► and oh my goodness he put out more music [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► than you know some rock musicians do in [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► their entire 30-year career was amazing [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► that was more of a thing back then [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► though our people didn't know that it to [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► me it was Michael Jackson who invented [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► the stretched out release our and not [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► putting out an album every year or two [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► and still being a viable and in in the [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► in the public eye kind of artist you [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► know the Beatles always put it they were [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► also like clockwork the stones in the ER [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► leaders like the alt same thing always [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► putting our product because up until [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► that this is the drain history of rock [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► and roll [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► forgive me this is not necessarily a [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► certified by any academic environment [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► but II it seems like up until about [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► nineteen eighty people were still [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► thinking that a rock-and-roll career was [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► evanescent and you were gonna last and [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► so you you hit it when when you got [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► popular you stayed with it and you put [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► the pedal down and you put out product [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► continually you didn't dribble it out [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► bits and bits and bits at a time you did [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► it because it was going to be gone [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► tomorrow right it's like being a [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► professional athlete you've got maybe [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► four years so get everything while you [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► can [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► exactly and you know i also wonder how [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► how much the advent of mtv music videos [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► sort of helped helped along with that [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► you could stay in the public eye a [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► little bit longer because your videos [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► were getting so much so much rotation [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► which means reaching somewhat of a [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► different audience and the radio is and [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► got i cannot remember like I can't count [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► how many times I saw that dancing in the [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► street video with him [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► you think that he was everywhere for [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► years i was gonna skip over that I [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► wasn't going to let you know the pants [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► the pants [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► it's an infectious video I mean it drove [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► me crazy at the time but at the same [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► time it got stuck in my head all he [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► wanted to do the move is a great song [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► it's a great song [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► it's like the collaboration with Queen [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► under pressure [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► it's like candy he's kind of cheesy and [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► it's a bit you know it gets it is near [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► one but it's a really good song and [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► talking about videos I mean we still get [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► that now [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► actually that's a really good point [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► about video enabling longevity of [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► artists because with the release of [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► black star his final album and in fact [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► actually before it was released when we [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► got the advanced video for the song [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► black star they sort of it like 8-9 [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► minute long video to go with the song [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► which is a an amazing video but we know [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► now clearly he wasn't healthy enough to [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► do anything other than a video but he [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► was able to do that and so sort of you [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► know present the art in that way put in [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► our minds and if we you know if he [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► hadn't died we would never have known [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► that he was ill during the making of [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► that video because you can do that in [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► film you can hide that sort of thing you [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► can't do that if you're gallivanting [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► around onstage during live performances [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► no one of the one of the things that [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► sort of amazed me this week and [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► especially about black star so you know [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► I was awake when the news broke in the [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► middle of the night and the next morning [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► you know and seeing everything on [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► Twitter my kids I don't necessarily know [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► if they have any frame of reference for [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► who this is right and so my [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► fourteen-year-old comes home from school [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► that afternoon and we just started [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► talking and talking about music and [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► because you know there's this really [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► good new album out [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► did you hear the story about it like [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► what what do you mean well trained at [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► every you know all of his friends on [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► Instagram all these you know everybody's [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► got tributes to bowie and some of the [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► teachers mentioned Bowie and so he went [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► he went and listened to Blackstar on his [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► own just out of curiosity and then he [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► went back and realize that he knew [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► all these other songs that had just been [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► playing all of his life and connect them [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► all and they said that's a really good [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► album and it's really impressive that he [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► did that in the last year and a half and [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► I said yes that's kind of you know and [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► and he said you know a black star is is [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► a medical term for a kind of cancer [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► lesion that's amazing [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► he's brilliant and then I didn't know [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► that God well and and what's what's [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► really funny to me about that is that [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► you know sadly this week alan rickman [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► also passed away and I figured you know [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► okay if that was the reaction to go if [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► he knew hours before it came up in [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► conversation at home because he was at [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► school you know will surely surely he'll [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► have heard about this because all of his [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► friends watching all the harry potter [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► movies right [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► this is the big thing and he comes home [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► I said did you hear the entertainment [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► news today he goes [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► did someone else die isn't he began at [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► Helen recommend oh my god nobody was [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► talking about that and you would think [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► that would have had more of an impact on [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► his immediate age-group because of the [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► Harry Potter movies he has a very potter [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► no didn't really come up but everybody [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► everybody was still talking about and [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► thinking about Bo and we've been [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► listening to the music all week here on [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► request miles like okay [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► my son has good ten good taste and [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► intentionally i think that's a good [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► demonstration of the appeal Bowie had [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► across generations and across boundaries [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► and as I've said my mother my mother [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► loves like you know poppin disco and she [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► loved Bowie my father is always a rocker [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► but he library as well you know he's [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► brother my uncle when he made me the [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► tapes he's basically a prog-rock you [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► know he's the one going into Genesis for [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► heaven's sake and he loved Bowie there [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► was i don't know if you saw it there's a [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► john snow the eminent British newscaster [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► not the couch from games right made in [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► an impromptu video a sort of unofficial [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► video which he posted online with his [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► sort of personal feelings about Bowie [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► and you know and he's not a young man [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► and he said we thought bobby was our [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► rock hero you know because he was an [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► adult by the time but his career was [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► getting going about the same age and he [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► was like we thought bobby was ours and [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► now i'm discovering that actually every [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► generation regarded Bowie as there's it [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► was you know every generation discovered [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► him and you because he reinvented [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► himself because he had such a long and [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► prolific career and because frankly he [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► was just that damn good [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► it's some it reminded me here maybe [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► think of doctor who actually he and the [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► way that everybody has their doctor you [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► know he basically regenerated anything [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► yes David Bowie has a Time Lord is [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► something that i have seen on Twitter a [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► couple of that [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► yeah I'm sure there's some more fanfic [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► for years you would have been a good [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► doctor would have our don't don't [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► torture us like imagine i think he would [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► have been a good other time lord right [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► no mention is the war doctor my marriage [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► in islam and are at but there are cases [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► and that leads us to his impact on [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► culture as a whole across the [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► generations across boundaries across [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► media he made such a difference and one [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► of the really interesting to me because [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► this wasn't really my experience but it [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► really interested in there i've seen [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► people talking about on mine is the [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► Bowie to a lot of people [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► it felt like he effectively gave them [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► permission to be weird like people who [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► felt like outsiders outcasts you know [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► the weird ones the Nerds the geeks which [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► was believed me was definitely me when I [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► was younger but i found my outlet for [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► that through heavy metal and goth music [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► but I'm finding a lot of people [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► apparently found their sort of you know [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► looked to bowie bowie bowie was [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► effectively saying look it's okay to be [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► weird [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► actually you don't need to fit in you [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► can be cool and weird at the same time [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► yeah I think there's a lot of truth to [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► that I mean that isn't that isn't my [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► take on Bowie I mean he didn't save my [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► life or anything like that I just really [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► liked what he did but yeah you can [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► certainly see that if you [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► as soon as people started writing that I [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► said yeah absolutely and that makes a [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► lot of sense IE because he was weird and [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► and and yet incredibly cool yeah i think [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► for me I guess I never really had [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► trouble being myself and maybe that's [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► because I started listening to an [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► absorbing poets at such a young age but [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► i think i can i can see that a little [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► bit kind of from the other side in that [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► David Bowie introduced me to this this [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► persona who was different things at [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► different times and who is strange and [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► androgynous and and just marching to the [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► beat of his own literal drums and I knew [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► kids when I was in school who were very [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► weird androgynous and color their hair [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► different colors and stuff and I wasn't [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► one of those kids but because i had been [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► exposed to David Bowie I was totally [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► cool with that and I grew up in a pretty [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► rural area and there were lots of kids [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► who were not cool with that right so I [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► feel like maybe had it not been for [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► David Bowie and you know my [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► understanding parents and stuff and [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► stealing that sort of thing in me I you [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► know I could have ended up being one of [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► those other kids and thank you too David [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► Bowie for the part that he had in [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► teaching me that it's okay to be [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► different it's okay to be queer all that [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► stuff is is cool when and speaking of [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► rural areas i mean that's that's where I [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► live now and it's it still blows my mind [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► earlier I guess last summer we had one [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► of his fellow bandmates from ten machine [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► came through and played at our venue [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► here and I did all the post-american [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► yarbs ok reeves gabrels is coming to [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► town this is awesome and you know you [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► could say to the locals you know here's [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► this musician he's coming with his new [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► album and his band you know and they had [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► no idea who he was and only had to say [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► was well he worked with David Bowie 00 i [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► know this album this album this album [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► this album he's on all those albums he [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► was a collaborator that's fantastic i'll [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► be there and the show sold out [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► Wow and and it's like you know just what [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► I think this town is like the [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► stereotypical rural American middle [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► Western you know get me out of here kind [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► of town they surprised me [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► it's like and then again that just shows [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► how [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► how easily he was able to cross over [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► those barriers and boundaries that that [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► he was at all appealing to the kind of [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► people who just live here and listen to [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► lawrence well and it's like in a way we [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► we have that lets dance phase to thank [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► for that because if he hadn't hit that [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► makes level of popularity with matt and [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► mass appeal then I'm on many many people [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► wouldn't have dug in a little bit [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► farther and discovered all of those cool [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► weird things in addition to the pop [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► stuff so it's like my grandparents loved [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► him but they discovered him through the [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► Bing Crosby christmas special [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► Wow and and what what amazes them and [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► and my grandmother talked about this [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► several times over the years was that [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► his counterpoint to the song was so [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► lovely and and their voices blended so [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► well and of course the story was that he [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► didn't want to sing the song he wanted [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► to sing something more interesting so [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► they came up with that on the spot so [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► that he didn't have to sing the [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► traditional song how and you know but [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► but it is it's a beautiful [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► that's a really good performance yeah [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► you know without any without having seen [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► it you know you you hear the the names [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► we go [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► no that's not gonna work that's [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► fantastic what and i think the other [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► interesting thing that I've always [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► thought about that is that you can see [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► that while obviously very is kind of [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► like I'm the new blood [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► you know you're the old guard at the [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► same time there's no you don't get any [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► kind of impression of disrespect going [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► cross me from beaudinot mean there's no [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► sort of punkish yeah whatever granddad [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► you don't know anything attitude which [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► you can imagine your berry mind how [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► successful but he was you can imagine [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► many performers of his era would have [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► felt a little like what am I doing here [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► with this weird middle-aged geezer you [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► know but Bowie clearly respected Crosby [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► and I think that really helps with the [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► performance you know I think it's less [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► obvious that Crosby respected by which [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► is why it's not one of my favorite thing [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► I can't claim gentleman right there [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► I would not call it fantastic involved [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► the bones performance is great i'm not [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► sure even knew [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► ruby was exactly that's interested the [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► story about riesgo bros because that [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► leads to an area where i wanted to talk [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► about which is the body's collaborators [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► he was very good at choosing [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► collaborators we're very generous with [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► many of his collaborators read [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► Gabrielle's incidentally was not just a [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► collaborator he also produced a couple [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► of days later rooms he produced [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► earthling and I think ours as well and [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► of course was instrumental in 10 machine [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► it was it was really Gabrielle's who [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► basically at the end of the glass by [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► Dassault or said to bowie look you're [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► clearly burnt-out you need to stop doing [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► this thing that you hate what you think [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► everybody wants you to do because it's [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► just gonna kill you [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► you've got to do you go back to doing [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► what you want to do because that's why [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► everybody loved you in the first place [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► so you know we all have reached [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► gabrielle was quite a debt actually but [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► what was looking it up he was also [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► involved in Omicron which I did not know [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► i didn't know that no but yet there was [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► those risk of girls obviously this tony [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► visconti for many many many years [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► brian eno several times most famously [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► with the Berlin trilogy but also with [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► outside which is my personal actual [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► Ashley favorite Bowie album but that's [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► probably just because i love you know so [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► many people that he collaborated with [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► some of them [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► robert fripp famously some of the many [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► times some of them only wants but he was [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► really good at choosing people to work [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► with that would complement him and that [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► would push him to do interesting new [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► things now I think it you know the [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► original i would say is Mick Ranson em [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► and Robinson was a was I think you need [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► now I'm maybe the the very late Bowie i [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► don't i don't know so much about a stage [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► act but it ransom share it but we shared [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► the stage with router which is not [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► something you see if you look at concert [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► video from others other stages of [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► Bowie's career typically are its Bowie [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► yeah you know their backup singers there [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► are musicians floating around [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► but it's Bowie he's the focus and he he [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► allowed ronson to have the focus for [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► huge chunks of stage time during the [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► ziggy years and and of course played off [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► of him a tremendous amount so and you [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► know I I don't think Robinson gets [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► songwriting credit on those but he made [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► the steel guitar made those songs the [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► way they are I mean he was i think i [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► think you get production credit bra on [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► Ziggy Stardust I don't have the album in [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► front of me but he was a huge part of [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► the sound of bowie during you know that [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► element aladdin sane [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► yeah he was and of course it was ronson [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► that i'm not sure if this is sort of [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► ever made the news in America but [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► overhear it was huge it was ronson that [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► Bowie put his arm around while they were [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► performing I think it might have been [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► busy status on Top of the Pops now some [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► context like men did not put their arm [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► around other men in a friendly fashion [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► right in the nineteen seventies in the [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► UK that especially not on television and [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► especially not when wearing makeup and [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► spangly glam-rock outfits and you know [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► there were things open to the waist and [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► showing their chest it was just it was [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► one of the most homosexual things that [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► had ever been shown on British [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► television other point even though it is [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► not homosexual at all but the public [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► perception was that this was outrageous [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► absolutely daring and outrageous and it [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► was bo & Johnson who did that and I [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► think and that was a huge cultural [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► moment as well [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► well it was that was very toned down [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► from the stage show which was more like [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► simulated fellatio with the with rounds [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► and guitar really sorry and all yes [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► yeah so so so the BBC's Top of the Pops [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► got got the safe version [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► right but even that was not I mean yes [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► safe compared to the stage version but [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► yellow for television at the time here [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► was not regarded safe at all [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► that's as crazy and then yes I said you [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► know Tony Visconti brian eno all these [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► people that he was so generous with and [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► some of them like visconti came back and [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► work with him again and again and again [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► so you the must've you know and they [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► didn't need to [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► this is the thing as well as some of [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► these people are very successful in [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► their own right [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► some of them like this county is [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► certainly you know I'm sure that man [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► never needs to work again for the money [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► so I think it speaks to the quality of [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► his work that so many of these people [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► came back again and again to be [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► effectively silent partners because [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► nobody except enthusiasts really cares [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► who else is on the records other than [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► Bowie not to always bring it back to [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► elaborate but even the labyrinth [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► soundtrack he wrote all of the songs for [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► the soundtrack for the movie even the [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► ones that he didn't thing and it was [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► actually a composer trevor jones who did [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► the score for the film and I don't know [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► what came first his songs or the score [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► but regardless as you listen to that [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► sound track everything weaves together [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► beautiful yeah yeah so I mean it's just [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► it you don't necessarily know that it [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► was actually written by two different [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► people so i don't know if it was trevor [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► jones and morphing or David Bowie or [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► both of them working together but [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► whatever it is it comes out great when [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► you know one of the the hottest tickets [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► in new york right now is the play [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► Lazarus which he collaborated with [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► player a tender Walsh who is a very very [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► good playwright and director Ivo van [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► hove and again you know picking really [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► good collaborators and it's basically an [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► adaptation of The Man Who Fell to earth [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► as a musical that has some original [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► stuff that the song Lazarus that's on [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► black star is the title song from this [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► and it's got some you know other songs [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► from his catalog and everybody I know [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► who has seen it has said it is [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► spectacular huh was spectacular in a [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► literal sense or just in that it's [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► amazing just that it's an amazing night [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► of theater [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► but right now I was gonna say i'd advise [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► I can't somehow imagine something like [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► that being spectacular in the left in [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► the literal stage sense it's not really [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► the right mood but but to think that [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► that is collaborating on that at the [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► same time as all of this and and making [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► black start doing all of that other [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► stuff [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► yeah it's just served you know it seeing [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► that 18-month period as I have to do as [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► much as I can before i'm gone right yeah [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► and-and-and getting all of this heart [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► out and all those aren't that it's not [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► just that it's really good stuff [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► it's also you know at the time when it [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► first premiered you know you go thats [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► it's the man fell to earth ok and and [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► you know when the news came out about [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► black start coming out soon right [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► we always got a new album this is [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► fantastic and and in retrospect it all [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► ties together and and is has an even [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► deeper meaning than we could have [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► thought at the time [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► absolutely yeah yeah I'm actually [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► something that's just come to mind [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► talking about his generosity and you all [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► know that Duncan Jones the film director [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► is his son right that's only bits [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► yeah yes at the premiere of I think it [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► was source code which was Jones his [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► second major movie the body was there he [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► went to the premiere get a sort of in [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► mufti as he were he didn't dress up for [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► anything for you but he was there the [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► premier accompany his son and he refused [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► to answer any questions from the press [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► not in a slutty way but in a sort of [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► people were like oh my god he's here [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► he's here he's here they all want to [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► talk to him and he was just like no no I [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► you know talk to my son [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► hi this is not i am here to support my [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► son I am NOT here for you to talk to me [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► and make it about me go away and I just [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► thought of ways [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► yeah that's wonderful well i think you [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► know what you said earlier about people [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► not just cut you can imagine anyone [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► would want to collaborate with Bowie arm [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► but people want to collaborate with him [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► a second time I think says more it right [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► yeah it says more about him as a person [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► there's [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► then as an artist and everyone would [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► want to collaborate with them as an [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► artist but the fact that they wanted to [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► come back means the experience was good [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► right yeah because everybody wants to do [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► it because like I'm God is bowing of [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► course that would be brilliant but [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► artists like him often have a reputation [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► for being difficult and you know but [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► there are stories of bowie being [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► somewhat difficult various times [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► throughout his career but yeah clearly [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► overall must have been fairly good to [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► work with or it must have been worth it [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► at least even if it was hard work and he [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► did drive his collaborators hard he [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► worked very fast he was very a bit like [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► Madonna is now he like you went in like [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► okay this is what I want to do and this [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► is the kind of sound I'm after [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► let's do it and let's do it quickly when [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► you think about the length of his career [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► as we're talking about before it's a [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► long time the number of stories of him [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► being difficult is much much less than [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► the number of stories of certain other [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► actors and musicians being difficult in [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► say five or 10-year period so yeah so I [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► still think he's coming out looking [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► pretty good i mean who doesn't have [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► their bad days right well and also I [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► mean he knew what he wanted and he and [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► he insisted on giving it and i think [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► most people who are all who are artists [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► in their own right understand that and [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► they appreciate it when it was done you [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► yes there are going to be bad days there [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► there I've seen things about the young [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► American you uh young Americans sessions [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► where he was you know dealing with [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► backup singers and he wanted he wanted [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► things to come in in an unusual way and [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► it was it was not the way they were used [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► to singing but they did it and then when [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► they heard it they said yes he was right [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► that's what that's how it worked and [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► they're happy with it yeah i think [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► that's that's something that a lot of [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► artists go through and it is important [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► God knows I've been in that in similar [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► sort of situations myself working on [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► collaborations where ya you get is hard [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► but at the end of it you like okay and [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► actually that was worth it something [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► really good came out of [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► so yeah you I can sympathize with that [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► to an extent so they're on the same [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► scale as definite moment but yet he's [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► with artistic endeavors [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► sometimes you just have to sort of drive [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► through and go look trust me I know what [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► I'm doing and it'll be worth it at the [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► end and you need to have that trust in [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► whoever's guiding the ship whoever is [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► steering the boat you need to have the [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► the trust in them that they will get you [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► to the other side it'll be worth it at [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► the end and of course you know later on [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► the end and of course you know later on [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► in his career how could you not have [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► that kind of faith in bowie again apart [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► from a couple of stumbles like never let [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► me down [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► it's hard to think of anything he did [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► that wasn't at the very least [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► interesting even if you didn't [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► personally like it everything he did [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► more or less was interesting and you [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► look at it and go wow ok he's do you [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► know he's trying something here he's [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► clearly working towards something that [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► he's doing stuff that's worth talking [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► about it's not just dross yeah and it's [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► not the same thing [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► and as I said at the beginning he's not [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► an oldies act you know you're not seeing [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► a guy having a fit because you don't [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► play the guitar the way his original [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► guitarist played at 50 years ago [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► right right i mean Space Oddity 1969 it [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► still feels current still feels fresh [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► it's amazing isn't it that yeah yeah [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► talking about him not being an oldies [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► act actually after that period when he [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► was doing Tim machine and he also did [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► the San division tour and that was the [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► one way he famously build it as this is [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► the last time I will ever play all of [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► the classic songs now that wasn't [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► actually true he went to commemorate [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► yeah he never is but at the time i think [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► at the time it may have been he may have [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► been one of the first of those sort of [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► long-lived acts to do that to at least [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► say that and sort of at least appear to [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► have that commitment and demonstrate if [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► you like through that to say to people [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► i'm not an oldies act and we're just [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► going to get this out of the way and [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► then we're going to focus on whatever I [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► do next which yeah I don't think many [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► people who had been around as long as [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► Bowie and not the were many was doing [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► that at the time silly the rolling [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► stones wouldn't do that now I was [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► thinking about space already on a long [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► drive today that they took before the [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► podcast arm and [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► if you had never heard the song and you [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► just had it described to you you would [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► not believe that it's still popular 45 [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► years later I because because I'm the [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► surface just hearing it described you [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► would think that this is a novelty song [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► wouldn't you any that yeah [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► the title is a pun number one it's a pun [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► on a movie that was popular at the time [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► or the year before arm it's uh the movie [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► had stuff about astronauts in it and the [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► song is about astronauts and the and the [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► song is released on the eve of the [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► Apollo 11 mission and it's got sound [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► effects in the middle of the song [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► yeah everything about that song if you [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► hear it described and don't actually [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► know the song would think all that's [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► that's was written by Ray Stevens you [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► know and it's like the street or or [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► whatever its that's not a real sign of [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► oh yeah it might be popular because you [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► know it's funny or whatever but it [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► wouldn't be affecting to anybody you [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► would regard it as a classic rock song [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► the way we do now yeah no not not on the [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► surface and when you listen to the [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► lyrics I'm and again this goes back to [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► being a storyteller and I and I love [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► when things surprise me i love when [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► something so simple of you know as just [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► a conversation [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► who would think to write a song about a [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► conversation between these two people [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► right over these two situations and and [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► certainly if you're thinking hey I want [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► to write a hit that's not what you're [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► going to write right and you know nile [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► rodgers would have talked him down haha [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► the but it's just brilliant and i love [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► when a musician or a and whining [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► storyteller frankly can surprise me like [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► that can take something so out of left [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► field and and make me love it not just [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► you know that's a good story but it's a [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► real [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► you good story told really well yeah and [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► it's it is a to me it's a very seventies [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► song and has a very seventies mindset to [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► it despite coming out in 1969 arm and in [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► particular i'm thinking of the lyric of [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► the the papers want to know whose shirt [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► you wear [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► yeah but not because it's it's very wise [TS]

01:04:42 ◼   ► in its understanding of celebrity and [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► commercial commercialism but an end you [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► know you guys all talked about the [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► peanuts the Charlie Brown Christmas [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► about and so commercialism is not it's [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► not a big deal but it was it had a [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► seventies attitude toward it which was [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► basically yeah okay that's that's how it [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► is it wasn't railing against it it [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► wasn't it what that lyric always reminds [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► me of the party in satisfaction where [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► you know he can't be a man because he [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► it's it's automatically very similar [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► except Jagger is upset by it because [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► that's a very 60s thing all this [TS]

01:05:30 ◼   ► commercialism it's terrible now for [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► Bowie it's just it's water off a duck's [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► back [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► that's the way it's it's a matter of [TS]