The Incomparable

283: The Stars Look Very Different Today


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00:00:05   the incomparable number of 283 January [TS]

00:00:13   hello everyone and welcome back to the [TS]

00:00:17   incomparable for a sort of flash cast [TS]

00:00:19   episode in response to the very sad [TS]

00:00:22   death of David Bowie earlier this week [TS]

00:00:24   i'm your host Anthony Johnson and with [TS]

00:00:26   me today making time at very short [TS]

00:00:28   notice is Erica inside hello and happy [TS]

00:00:31   and sad to be here [TS]

00:00:32   yeah I think we all are yes the [TS]

00:00:34   internets dr. drank hello and David law [TS]

00:00:38   hello there yeah I think we're all kind [TS]

00:00:41   of both happy and sad to be here you [TS]

00:00:43   know we all love talking about Bowie we [TS]

00:00:46   all loved him that's why we want to do a [TS]

00:00:48   podcast about him but at the same time [TS]

00:00:50   of course we're very sad that he's gone [TS]

00:00:52   and he had such an incredible life and [TS]

00:00:55   left such an incredible legacy his body [TS]

00:00:58   of work is enormous his his legacy and [TS]

00:01:02   reputation are enormous and nobody could [TS]

00:01:05   say that he didn't live life to the [TS]

00:01:08   absolute Felicia he lived five six seven [TS]

00:01:12   lifetimes in the space of of one in his [TS]

00:01:15   you know all too short time in the world [TS]

00:01:18   I'm obviously we'll talk about that [TS]

00:01:21   throughout the course of the show but at [TS]

00:01:24   the same time there is no way we could [TS]

00:01:26   cover the whole thing i did it a [TS]

00:01:28   one-point i considered maybe [TS]

00:01:29   chronologically going through his career [TS]

00:01:31   and then I looked ahead and we were [TS]

00:01:35   doing here take a while right you [TS]

00:01:36   thought Star Wars was bad [TS]

00:01:38   we would be here until next year year [TS]

00:01:40   and so instead and I think this is [TS]

00:01:44   appropriate for this sort of show [TS]

00:01:45   instead I want to focus on what we meant [TS]

00:01:47   to us to each of us and the legacy he [TS]

00:01:51   will leave behind in our own lives and [TS]

00:01:54   so the first thing I'm gonna ask and I'm [TS]

00:01:56   going to ask i'm going to ask erica this [TS]

00:01:58   first because Erica you're the youngest [TS]

00:02:00   here haha I yes you are [TS]

00:02:03   yeah what was what was the first Bowie [TS]

00:02:07   song you heard how how did you hear it [TS]

00:02:10   how did you then get further into his [TS]

00:02:12   work and why what was it you know that [TS]

00:02:14   you heard you saw in him or in his work [TS]

00:02:18   made you want to seek out more of this [TS]

00:02:20   this strange emiliana cartas test [TS]

00:02:23   boy this is a lot like when i get a [TS]

00:02:25   similar question about Doctor Who I [TS]

00:02:27   don't have a good answer because I just [TS]

00:02:29   grew up with David Bowie as a part of [TS]

00:02:32   the fabric of my life my parents were [TS]

00:02:34   rock'n'roll fans and my dad loved David [TS]

00:02:36   Bowie so it was just this music that I [TS]

00:02:40   always kind of knew I i always say that [TS]

00:02:44   the rise and fall of ziggy stardust and [TS]

00:02:46   the spiders from mars is my favorite [TS]

00:02:48   album because i think that was the first [TS]

00:02:51   album that I learned to love as a piece [TS]

00:02:57   like as as all one you know I mean I'd I [TS]

00:03:00   think as a really little kid I i [TS]

00:03:02   gravitated toward the beatles because [TS]

00:03:04   you know all papi and stuff but I [TS]

00:03:05   remember being in junior high and high [TS]

00:03:07   school and just sort of it wasn't [TS]

00:03:10   discovering because i had always known [TS]

00:03:11   how about the East artists but I guess [TS]

00:03:14   rediscovering this is crazy science [TS]

00:03:17   fiction album because I was always a [TS]

00:03:19   huge geek as a kid and I just sort of [TS]

00:03:22   learned that [TS]

00:03:23   hey you can you can do anything in music [TS]

00:03:26   it doesn't have to just be that sounds [TS]

00:03:29   and and notes and and and fun words or [TS]

00:03:31   even you know you're touching words it [TS]

00:03:34   can it can tell stories and that was the [TS]

00:03:36   first time I recognize that music could [TS]

00:03:38   tell stories in that particular way so i [TS]

00:03:41   would just listen to that album over and [TS]

00:03:44   over and over and over again and yes I [TS]

00:03:48   guess I don't have a first song i don't [TS]

00:03:50   know exactly when i heard it at first [TS]

00:03:51   but I do know that it was David Bowie [TS]

00:03:54   that opened my eyes to a whole new Vista [TS]

00:03:56   of the way that music could tell a story [TS]

00:03:59   and then from there you know I got into [TS]

00:04:01   other things that he did and you know of [TS]

00:04:03   course had that stereotypical girl crush [TS]

00:04:07   on the super androgynous amazingly [TS]

00:04:10   sensual person that David Bowie was but [TS]

00:04:12   it really started with with that album [TS]

00:04:14   with these artists that's that's really [TS]

00:04:16   interesting for the for two reasons I [TS]

00:04:19   think firstly the storytelling thing [TS]

00:04:21   because that was such a big part of his [TS]

00:04:23   work and Bowie I remember an interview [TS]

00:04:26   very early on in his career where he was [TS]

00:04:28   asked to describe himself i think it was [TS]

00:04:30   one [TS]

00:04:30   just started moving into acting and [TS]

00:04:32   somebody said you know what do you think [TS]

00:04:34   of yourself as are you a performer are [TS]

00:04:35   you a songwriter are you an actor and he [TS]

00:04:37   just said I'm a storyteller and I [TS]

00:04:40   thought that was a wonderful way of [TS]

00:04:41   encapsulating everything that he did and [TS]

00:04:44   a large part of the appeal of his work [TS]

00:04:46   but also um so but this would have been [TS]

00:04:50   around the time i'm guessing that this [TS]

00:04:52   would have been around the time that in [TS]

00:04:53   the charts he was doing stuff like the [TS]

00:04:55   let's dance [TS]

00:04:56   Aaron so you were aware of bowie already [TS]

00:05:00   that was what was in the charts but it [TS]

00:05:02   was Iggy Stardust that really grabbed me [TS]

00:05:04   that's interesting I mean I loved the [TS]

00:05:07   the radio stuff and I was hearing to and [TS]

00:05:10   and I think that even at that time [TS]

00:05:11   there's a part of me that recognize like [TS]

00:05:13   this is the same guy he looks completely [TS]

00:05:15   different and that in itself was another [TS]

00:05:18   thing to to sort of draw me in but I [TS]

00:05:21   think it also imparts he started because [TS]

00:05:23   that was I think that was one of my [TS]

00:05:25   dad's favorite albums of his he had a [TS]

00:05:26   whole bunch of my vinyl I remember just [TS]

00:05:28   looking at all the album covers as [TS]

00:05:30   pieces of artwork when i was young i [TS]

00:05:32   think the first thing that that really [TS]

00:05:34   maybe go and re-examine Ziggy Stardust [TS]

00:05:36   in a more profound way was i had a group [TS]

00:05:41   of friends who are in a a band in high [TS]

00:05:43   school and they were thinking of [TS]

00:05:44   covering suffragette city and I go yeah [TS]

00:05:46   that song i know that song and around [TS]

00:05:49   that time I my mom mentioned that her [TS]

00:05:51   favorite part of that song with the wham [TS]

00:05:53   bam thank you ma'am line which is not [TS]

00:05:55   only was I discovering David Bowie but I [TS]

00:05:57   was discovering my mother is like a [TS]

00:05:59   really full cool person which is kind of [TS]

00:06:01   a neat thing to discover so think you [TS]

00:06:03   did it boy for that as well so yes that [TS]

00:06:07   was when I really just started listening [TS]

00:06:08   to the album over and over again because [TS]

00:06:09   I go yeah i know that song i should [TS]

00:06:11   listen to it and then I just it was like [TS]

00:06:13   falling into a whirlpool and and [TS]

00:06:15   understanding so much more on the other [TS]

00:06:17   side that's interesting you mentioned [TS]

00:06:21   the the cover of the biggest donation [TS]

00:06:23   sore but there were no there was a sort [TS]

00:06:27   of impromptu gathering of people at [TS]

00:06:31   headin straight where they album cover [TS]

00:06:33   phys ed sanders was shot i saw some of [TS]

00:06:35   the pictures on Twitter and I was like [TS]

00:06:37   that is just what an amazing testament [TS]

00:06:39   to the [TS]

00:06:40   life's work of this person that did like [TS]

00:06:42   I got misty and wish I was there right [TS]

00:06:44   right i mean the four years is long gone [TS]

00:06:46   you know mode the street looks quite [TS]

00:06:48   different now but yeah everybody knows [TS]

00:06:50   where that everybody find anyone knows [TS]

00:06:52   where that photo was taken and so I mean [TS]

00:06:55   there were gathering in Brixton where he [TS]

00:06:56   was born and there's a mural outside [TS]

00:06:59   brixton tube station as well which you [TS]

00:07:01   know so you'd expect people together [TS]

00:07:02   there but I thought it was interesting [TS]

00:07:03   that a lot of people did go to heaven [TS]

00:07:06   street specifically to the ziggy [TS]

00:07:08   stardust location you know I water in [TS]

00:07:11   fact that album that album cover had its [TS]

00:07:14   like the zebra stripe abbey road [TS]

00:07:16   yeah it is you know maybe not it's not [TS]

00:07:20   at that level there's no you know web [TS]

00:07:22   camera up constantly focused on it to [TS]

00:07:25   watch tourists go oppose themselves and [TS]

00:07:28   as you say if it doesn't look quite the [TS]

00:07:30   same you know you don't you don't get [TS]

00:07:32   the whatever the kwest sign over over [TS]

00:07:34   the time you know it's not doesn't have [TS]

00:07:37   quite the impact but still that's that [TS]

00:07:41   is an iconic album cover and it's very [TS]

00:07:44   much a location [TS]

00:07:45   it absolutely is yet alright so yet dr. [TS]

00:07:49   trying to tell us about your experiences [TS]

00:07:51   started getting into Bowie and [TS]

00:07:52   discovering bow [TS]

00:07:53   well I i have similar troubles America [TS]

00:07:58   had it complicated by the fact that I'm [TS]

00:08:00   of course much much older and so I [TS]

00:08:03   started listening to popular music in [TS]

00:08:09   about nineteen seventy-two which would [TS]

00:08:12   have put me at the right age and I was [TS]

00:08:14   12 the time would put me at the right [TS]

00:08:16   age to of listen to ziggy stardust aziz [TS]

00:08:19   ziggy stardust wasn't on top 40 am radio [TS]

00:08:23   in the states and this time don't bring [TS]

00:08:25   out there listening to it right so what [TS]

00:08:28   I was hearing at that time for whatever [TS]

00:08:31   reason there was a lot of philly soul [TS]

00:08:34   earth wind and fire the o'jays stuff [TS]

00:08:37   like that was playing a lot very popular [TS]

00:08:40   all Elton John of course to what was at [TS]

00:08:43   that time and you know I continued [TS]

00:08:45   listening to that as I was going through [TS]

00:08:48   junior high [TS]

00:08:49   off and i believe the first Bowie that I [TS]

00:08:54   heard in New was Bowie would have been [TS]

00:08:58   something off of the young Americans [TS]

00:09:00   album know whether was young Americans [TS]

00:09:02   itself whether it was Fame I don't know [TS]

00:09:06   but it almost had to be that because [TS]

00:09:10   that was a solo album and it's sort of [TS]

00:09:13   fit in with what [TS]

00:09:15   for whatever reason I mean there's a [TS]

00:09:17   top-40 station y sol was was was such a [TS]

00:09:21   big deal on that I think have to do with [TS]

00:09:22   the DJ who is on at night when I [TS]

00:09:24   listened [TS]

00:09:26   that's that's what sort of in keeping so [TS]

00:09:28   i think it was probably young Americans [TS]

00:09:30   or fame [TS]

00:09:31   interestingly you know this was before I [TS]

00:09:34   was a Beatles fan really are so i've got [TS]

00:09:37   i didn't come to fame through the john [TS]

00:09:40   lennon channel like I came at it through [TS]

00:09:42   while it was popular of course but [TS]

00:09:45   through the David Bowie channel and then [TS]

00:09:47   after that it probably wasn't until you [TS]

00:09:51   know when I then I'm picking up whatever [TS]

00:09:53   comes [TS]

00:09:54   whatever comes working after the young [TS]

00:09:57   American station to station so you're [TS]

00:09:59   getting golden years right and TVC 15 [TS]

00:10:02   which I just a spectacular song arm [TS]

00:10:06   which I'll probably say many times [TS]

00:10:07   during the show and then some time in [TS]

00:10:13   college I kind of went back and went [TS]

00:10:17   into it you know then you start [TS]

00:10:19   recognizing oh no i've been hearing [TS]

00:10:21   these songs I just didn't know who it [TS]

00:10:23   was and then i but then i started to [TS]

00:10:27   more excavate and and find ziggy [TS]

00:10:30   stardust of course a hunky dory to some [TS]

00:10:33   extent know and you know probably the [TS]

00:10:36   song that most makes Bowie fit on the [TS]

00:10:40   incomparable network which is space [TS]

00:10:42   oddity of course yes ah yeah you know [TS]

00:10:44   you that was that sort of like air you [TS]

00:10:47   know it's it it was I get always been [TS]

00:10:51   there [TS]

00:10:52   it has always been there although I [TS]

00:10:54   guess it didn't get issued as a single [TS]

00:10:56   in the states until sometime in the [TS]

00:10:58   early to mid seventies [TS]

00:11:00   oh that's interesting maybe after the [TS]

00:11:01   success of young berry [TS]

00:11:02   kids behind yeah or maybe or maybe I [TS]

00:11:05   think on the heels of ziggy because he [TS]

00:11:08   did he did as a key coloring ok and so [TS]

00:11:10   it was probably they said hey you know [TS]

00:11:12   there was this thing that was kind of a [TS]

00:11:14   hit in England maybe we should issue it [TS]

00:11:16   over here and i think it was so frankly [TS]

00:11:18   that maybe that was the first thing I [TS]

00:11:20   heard but the first thing that I heard [TS]

00:11:21   that I knew was David Bowie i'm pretty [TS]

00:11:23   sure was on young Americans and what was [TS]

00:11:26   that about that that sort of the drug [TS]

00:11:28   you and I mean you said you were [TS]

00:11:29   listening to radio was playing soul [TS]

00:11:31   music so i assume that you liked soul so [TS]

00:11:34   yeah I did and and it was uh it was [TS]

00:11:37   extremely popular music music here at [TS]

00:11:39   the time and uh it it had this weird I [TS]

00:11:44   mean you could you heard parts of you [TS]

00:11:47   know earth wind and fire or whatever in [TS]

00:11:50   it but of course was very different [TS]

00:11:52   because the vocals are very different [TS]

00:11:54   and well and it was an Englishman's take [TS]

00:11:57   on absolutely very American kind of [TS]

00:11:59   music [TS]

00:12:00   absolutely and you know later on I [TS]

00:12:03   recognized you know he's got the [TS]

00:12:04   instrumentation a little bit different [TS]

00:12:06   there are a lot of things that are that [TS]

00:12:07   are different about it but there was [TS]

00:12:09   enough there that made it sound like [TS]

00:12:12   what I had been listening to uh to draw [TS]

00:12:16   me and I've always found the success of [TS]

00:12:18   young Americans the popularity of young [TS]

00:12:20   Americans in America quite fascinating [TS]

00:12:22   because it is like to us you know to [TS]

00:12:25   English people when we were growing up [TS]

00:12:28   it did sound like an American record but [TS]

00:12:31   haha as an adult now having you know [TS]

00:12:33   sort of obviously heard a lot of [TS]

00:12:35   American soul it's so clearly not you [TS]

00:12:38   know it's so obviously a sort of an [TS]

00:12:41   outsider's take on that form of music [TS]

00:12:43   and yet it is still very popular in [TS]

00:12:45   america i think Americans have always [TS]

00:12:47   been interested in hearing what other [TS]

00:12:48   cultures the UK especially sort of think [TS]

00:12:51   of our are pop culture [TS]

00:12:53   I mean young Americans is one example [TS]

00:12:54   but also American Gods by Neil Gaiman [TS]

00:12:56   which he wrote after living here for [TS]

00:12:58   quite a while which it's just it you can [TS]

00:13:01   very clearly see that it is the United [TS]

00:13:03   States our country well it was my [TS]

00:13:05   country at the time viewed through the [TS]

00:13:08   eyes and the lens of somebody who is [TS]

00:13:10   from elsewhere and the same thing [TS]

00:13:11   happened with with young Americans [TS]

00:13:13   well and of course in my own field the [TS]

00:13:16   popularity of thinking about it of [TS]

00:13:17   English writers doing superhero comics [TS]

00:13:20   it doesn't hurt the next a good song [TS]

00:13:23   oh sure but i mean that's that's we grew [TS]

00:13:24   me and I'm in the album as a whole but [TS]

00:13:26   yes I mean yeah where is the song is is [TS]

00:13:29   a great great song so yet David tell us [TS]

00:13:33   about your experiences whatever I'm [TS]

00:13:34   starting to sense a theme here and I [TS]

00:13:35   want to come back together but tell us [TS]

00:13:37   about your experiences first was gonna [TS]

00:13:39   say doctor during stole my answer [TS]

00:13:42   yeah i mean your two older than the [TS]

00:13:45   ziggy stardust album and probably the [TS]

00:13:49   first thing i heard was either Space [TS]

00:13:51   Oddity or something from young Americans [TS]

00:13:53   and even at that you know I don't know [TS]

00:13:56   how consciously it was because I was [TS]

00:13:58   really young at the time and when in [TS]

00:14:01   1983 we moved from Florida to New York [TS]

00:14:07   and so suddenly I'm thrown into a whole [TS]

00:14:09   new world a whole a very different kind [TS]

00:14:12   of school and and situation everything [TS]

00:14:15   and I latched on to music because that [TS]

00:14:18   was a constant that was something that i [TS]

00:14:21   could listen to and talk to other people [TS]

00:14:24   about and that's right about when the oh [TS]

00:14:29   what's the album [TS]

00:14:30   oh gosh the let's dance album head yes [TS]

00:14:32   83 with with china doll and let's dance [TS]

00:14:35   in modern love and everything and I you [TS]

00:14:38   know I fell in love with that album and [TS]

00:14:41   that was right about the time when i'm [TS]

00:14:44   i'm able to go to record stores on my [TS]

00:14:46   own and check things out and listen [TS]

00:14:48   stuff and go to the library text amount [TS]

00:14:49   and I'm going ok I want to hear more of [TS]

00:14:51   this guy and realizing that i had heard [TS]

00:14:55   more of him all of my life and just [TS]

00:14:57   hadn't associated the name right so it [TS]

00:15:00   was like all of these songs that i [TS]

00:15:01   recognized and going how and then [TS]

00:15:04   hearing them in the context of the album [TS]

00:15:06   right instead of just the singles and [TS]

00:15:09   and from that point on I just I paid [TS]

00:15:11   attention and kept collecting so the [TS]

00:15:13   theme here clearly is that for all of us [TS]

00:15:16   we've all just kind of grown up with his [TS]

00:15:18   music being always there and very much a [TS]

00:15:22   part of our lives grown-up and exactly [TS]

00:15:24   the same is true for me my mother [TS]

00:15:25   was probably a bigger boat we found my [TS]

00:15:28   father but my father liked him fine as [TS]

00:15:30   well my mother had a few albums [TS]

00:15:33   including changes but we of course like [TS]

00:15:35   this one of the first best of which is [TS]

00:15:38   it you know a great introduction to [TS]

00:15:40   bowie so light you guys I can't actually [TS]

00:15:43   remember the first Bowie song that I [TS]

00:15:46   heard the first sort of the first one [TS]

00:15:50   where i was aware of all this is [TS]

00:15:52   interesting and it's this guy Bowie and [TS]

00:15:54   I should pay attention was actually [TS]

00:15:56   ashes to ashes [TS]

00:15:57   ok which was a I don't know whether how [TS]

00:16:00   well that was received in the US but in [TS]

00:16:01   the UK that was a big hit that was like [TS]

00:16:03   it because it had the the really weird [TS]

00:16:05   music video [TS]

00:16:06   it was an odd sounding song anyway it [TS]

00:16:08   was played on the radio all the time we [TS]

00:16:09   would see the video on television on Top [TS]

00:16:11   of the Pops it was a big thing and that [TS]

00:16:15   was the first thing that made me sort of [TS]

00:16:17   really pay attention and attracted me to [TS]

00:16:21   him as an artist to make me then go back [TS]

00:16:23   and sort of as you said that you know [TS]

00:16:25   really seek his records in my mother's [TS]

00:16:28   collection and sort of listen to stuff i [TS]

00:16:30   also had my my father's brother my uncle [TS]

00:16:33   made me compilation tapes of early Bowie [TS]

00:16:37   stuff so i was listening to things like [TS]

00:16:39   you know a lot insane and diamond dogs [TS]

00:16:43   when I was quite young but it was all [TS]

00:16:46   mixed up because he would cut out what [TS]

00:16:47   he thought was a boring tracks soon so I [TS]

00:16:52   have what I can sing along to things [TS]

00:16:54   like Joe the lion and panic and [TS]

00:16:56   destroyed [TS]

00:16:57   no problem but some of the other tracks [TS]

00:16:59   on those albums that are you know Lex [TS]

00:17:02   papi i am barely have ever heard really [TS]

00:17:07   are i'm curious Anthony you you so ashes [TS]

00:17:11   to ashes of the first one you remember [TS]

00:17:13   what did you think of it because it's [TS]

00:17:16   it's a follow-on song right there [TS]

00:17:20   yes I what did you and it wasn't just a [TS]

00:17:23   while that you know there's this there's [TS]

00:17:24   this interesting lyric about a guy [TS]

00:17:26   called major time I don't know what it [TS]

00:17:28   means but it's a cool song is that how [TS]

00:17:29   is that how you have [TS]

00:17:31   but honestly that i do not remember i [TS]

00:17:33   think i had already heard Space Oddity [TS]

00:17:35   at that point because of my parents [TS]

00:17:38   record collection which I just traded [TS]

00:17:39   for everything like my entire you know [TS]

00:17:41   musical foundation is based on my [TS]

00:17:43   parents record collection i think i'd [TS]

00:17:46   already heard it so I think I got the [TS]

00:17:48   reference or if I didn't maybe my mom [TS]

00:17:52   may actually have even told me because [TS]

00:17:54   she was quite a Bowie fan so she may [TS]

00:17:57   actually have explained it to me i'm not [TS]

00:17:58   sure but also i liked it because it was [TS]

00:18:01   just weird and I was into a lot of weird [TS]

00:18:04   pop music in the heck it is why does [TS]

00:18:08   this not surprise me I suppose I suppose [TS]

00:18:12   but it is i think is fascinating in the [TS]

00:18:15   Bowie has been such a part of so many [TS]

00:18:18   people's lives and like it as you said [TS]

00:18:20   like space oddity is like air or Bowie [TS]

00:18:23   was like air because he was just he was [TS]

00:18:25   always there and you know give or take a [TS]

00:18:29   few blips up and down here and there you [TS]

00:18:31   could always pretty much rely on Bowie [TS]

00:18:33   to be good to be interesting you know he [TS]

00:18:36   was never boring and to be constantly [TS]

00:18:39   changing which of course he became a [TS]

00:18:41   famous for write what you know the thing [TS]

00:18:43   about Bowie was at they're like the [TS]

00:18:45   first thing I thought of when I when I [TS]

00:18:47   heard of his death was he just never he [TS]

00:18:52   was never in all these act ally yes yes [TS]

00:18:56   and our how many people can you say that [TS]

00:18:59   up not very many and and still going to [TS]

00:19:02   his own beat no matter what the area no [TS]

00:19:04   matter what the style but always somehow [TS]

00:19:07   being contemporary yeah no matter what [TS]

00:19:09   was going to be accepted by the audience [TS]

00:19:11   he teaches did what he wanted everybody [TS]

00:19:13   had to come along or jump off the train [TS]

00:19:16   yeah yeah i mean the were again there [TS]

00:19:18   were a couple of periods where that [TS]

00:19:19   wasn't the case and post let's dance is [TS]

00:19:22   the most famous example where he did [TS]

00:19:25   really have a bit of a meltdown because [TS]

00:19:27   he was trying to please his existing [TS]

00:19:29   audience but the majority of his career [TS]

00:19:30   yet he danced to the beat of a different [TS]

00:19:33   drum he really did and he led the way in [TS]

00:19:36   many cases not always sometimes he was a [TS]

00:19:38   an early adopter of an existing trend [TS]

00:19:43   but a lot of the times he was more than [TS]

00:19:45   an early adopter he was you know an [TS]

00:19:47   instigator and an innovator he appeared [TS]

00:19:49   in a in a video game for goodness sakes [TS]

00:19:52   and wrote the soundtrack to it [TS]

00:19:53   omicron nomads soul they've actually [TS]

00:19:55   Ubisoft have made that free for download [TS]

00:19:58   magic memory is done [TS]

00:19:59   oh good i haven't I mean I played it [TS]

00:20:01   when it first came out because David [TS]

00:20:03   Bowie doing music and and yeah I know [TS]

00:20:06   however if I ever made it all the way [TS]

00:20:07   through but it's one of those things I [TS]

00:20:09   always meant to go back to and try to [TS]

00:20:11   continue it glitched out on me so I [TS]

00:20:13   couldn't finish but I still got to a few [TS]

00:20:15   of the cutscenes where you get to see [TS]

00:20:17   digital David Bowie performing his you [TS]

00:20:19   know sort of lounge act in this this [TS]

00:20:21   club and it was just I was I was [TS]

00:20:24   transported it was that was probably one [TS]

00:20:26   of the highlights of my entire video [TS]

00:20:28   gaming experience was just that moment [TS]

00:20:30   just because i was watching TV and he [TS]

00:20:34   did cross media as we know he was an [TS]

00:20:39   actor he did do things like soundtracks [TS]

00:20:41   and stuff as well and so okay let's let [TS]

00:20:43   me just talk about that for a little [TS]

00:20:45   while i am have you all I mean everybody [TS]

00:20:49   seen labyrinth obviously uh yeah I have [TS]

00:20:54   not [TS]

00:20:54   Oh surely really how I have not well you [TS]

00:20:57   know whether to come out sexy sir [TS]

00:21:00   ya see I'm I'm an adult by that time I'm [TS]

00:21:04   I'm uh I'm growing up I married and it [TS]

00:21:07   was something that I kind of wanted to [TS]

00:21:09   see and and I was actually going to [TS]

00:21:11   watch it last night as as prep because I [TS]

00:21:14   figured it was going to come up and [TS]

00:21:16   things and things happened and I can I [TS]

00:21:18   couldn't I my movies watching time got [TS]

00:21:22   cut short and I couldn't couldn't watch [TS]

00:21:24   it so no i have not seen I mean I know [TS]

00:21:26   I've seen the pictures so many times but [TS]

00:21:29   I all I will step back and let Erica [TS]

00:21:32   talk about the brand [TS]

00:21:34   well I'd so will I but i just want to [TS]

00:21:36   quickly say I eyesore in the cinema and [TS]

00:21:40   then I didn't see it again except that [TS]

00:21:42   are my parents my sister is quite a bit [TS]

00:21:45   younger than me and my parents bought a [TS]

00:21:47   VHS copy of it for my sister when she [TS]

00:21:49   was a child and anybody who has children [TS]

00:21:51   are very young siblings knows that [TS]

00:21:54   when they like something they will [TS]

00:21:56   consume it again and again and again and [TS]

00:21:59   again and so I have seen labyrinth more [TS]

00:22:02   times and probably any other movie just [TS]

00:22:05   because of my sister but I don't have [TS]

00:22:09   that excuse i did not discover labyrinth [TS]

00:22:13   as a child [TS]

00:22:14   actually it was at which is weird [TS]

00:22:16   considering how much my parents like [TS]

00:22:17   David Bowie but i'm pretty sure i did [TS]

00:22:19   not see it around the time it came out I [TS]

00:22:21   didn't discover it until i was just [TS]

00:22:23   hardcore into that David Bowie phase [TS]

00:22:25   where i was trying to find everything I [TS]

00:22:27   could find with him and so I think it [TS]

00:22:29   was probably my junior or senior year of [TS]

00:22:31   high school [TS]

00:22:32   so as a teenager that I saw it and [TS]

00:22:34   because I was so in love with a boy of [TS]

00:22:36   course i fell in love this film also its [TS]

00:22:38   I mean it it's basically a a wizard of [TS]

00:22:40   oz style girl gets to escape her you [TS]

00:22:43   know drudgery life into a world of [TS]

00:22:45   fantasy which is right up my alley [TS]

00:22:47   so this movie was kind of tailor made [TS]

00:22:50   for me and I fell in love with it and I [TS]

00:22:52   was the one to watch it over and over [TS]

00:22:54   and over again at one point I actually [TS]

00:22:56   had five different copies of labyrinth [TS]

00:22:58   because i have the version i had taped [TS]

00:23:00   off of the Disney Channel and I had the [TS]

00:23:02   VHS version and they had the VHS special [TS]

00:23:04   edition and then I got the DVD and I [TS]

00:23:05   mean it was just it went on I had the [TS]

00:23:07   soundtrack i was i was a little [TS]

00:23:09   labyrinth crazy and it became my sort of [TS]

00:23:13   my touchstone it was my comfort movie [TS]

00:23:14   every time life got scary or unsettled [TS]

00:23:18   that's what I would would watch to sort [TS]

00:23:20   of ground myself in the world so when I [TS]

00:23:22   went away to college first time away [TS]

00:23:25   from my family everything was scary I [TS]

00:23:26   was really shy kid I i would watch it [TS]

00:23:29   almost nightly in college and I got to [TS]

00:23:32   the point where my roommate thought this [TS]

00:23:34   was just insane but I could turn on the [TS]

00:23:35   movie and then kind of start drifting to [TS]

00:23:38   sleep but i would wake up for every [TS]

00:23:40   single David Bowie seen no other ones [TS]

00:23:42   let's see the rest of the movie but if [TS]

00:23:44   David Bowie was on the screen i would [TS]

00:23:45   wake up i would sit up and she was like [TS]

00:23:47   you're in see what's wrong with you my [TS]

00:23:49   poor roommate just compete thought it [TS]

00:23:50   was crazy but he was a he was just I [TS]

00:23:54   mean it's it is a kids movie there's no [TS]

00:23:55   question about that but there's an awful [TS]

00:23:58   lot more that you can read into it [TS]

00:23:59   looking at it with an adult-sized his [TS]

00:24:02   character to my mind doesn't appear in [TS]

00:24:04   the movie often enough but he's there [TS]

00:24:06   he's there enough to [TS]

00:24:08   to sort of feed you this Great backstory [TS]

00:24:10   he's he's suddenly underplaying enough [TS]

00:24:13   parts that you know I've built this [TS]

00:24:15   wonderful headcanon about about the [TS]

00:24:17   background of this character and and [TS]

00:24:19   he's he's not a mush mustache twirling [TS]

00:24:22   villain he is he's a pained and broken [TS]

00:24:27   character who just just wants love gosh [TS]

00:24:30   darn it and doesn't know how to reach [TS]

00:24:32   out and and take it and this stupid girl [TS]

00:24:35   blunders in and it tries to save her [TS]

00:24:38   baby brother and she just does it all [TS]

00:24:40   wrong as far as I'm concerned if I was [TS]

00:24:42   the only because things are going very [TS]

00:24:44   very differently [TS]

00:24:45   yeah i've never written fanfic in my [TS]

00:24:47   life but the labyrinth is the very [TS]

00:24:49   closest I've ever come to you doing that [TS]

00:24:52   because it needs to be fixed [TS]

00:24:53   Wow well you know you're listening to [TS]

00:24:55   the labyrinth headcanon right and you [TS]

00:24:57   free access the library's vertical our [TS]

00:25:00   three [TS]

00:25:00   you remind me of the babe Oh labyrinth [TS]

00:25:04   aside though I mean that was kind of at [TS]

00:25:06   the time I remember people almost [TS]

00:25:07   laughed at Bowie you know being in that [TS]

00:25:10   movie and sort of you but now on [TS]

00:25:12   reflection we look back and go actually [TS]

00:25:14   he was pretty good in that and he was a [TS]

00:25:17   good actor this is the thing about [TS]

00:25:18   either you know so many rock and pop [TS]

00:25:21   stars try to move into acting like it [TS]

00:25:24   just as many as actors try to become [TS]

00:25:26   rock and pop stars and so many fail but [TS]

00:25:29   bobby was I mean he famously took mine [TS]

00:25:33   lessons like was quite a serious minded [TS]

00:25:35   students early on in his career and [TS]

00:25:37   that's how we learned some of the [TS]

00:25:38   wonderful moves that he used to pull on [TS]

00:25:40   stage and some of the fantastic my work [TS]

00:25:43   that he did in film but he was as much a [TS]

00:25:46   performer as he was a songwriter and [TS]

00:25:48   again it comes back to this it all came [TS]

00:25:50   together for him to be a storyteller he [TS]

00:25:52   was just as committed to the craft of [TS]

00:25:56   acting as he was being a musician and [TS]

00:25:58   you know we saw that in things like the [TS]

00:26:00   man who fell to earth and merry [TS]

00:26:02   christmas mr. lawrence and his stage [TS]

00:26:04   performance of the Elephant Man which I [TS]

00:26:07   never saw what i read reviews of and [TS]

00:26:10   reviewers were falling over themselves [TS]

00:26:11   to be amazed how brilliant he was in [TS]

00:26:15   that part and i did want to talk to you [TS]

00:26:18   David about this because as the [TS]

00:26:20   professional [TS]

00:26:21   right here among us as the man who has [TS]

00:26:23   actually owned a living on the stage [TS]

00:26:26   what's your sort of assessment if you [TS]

00:26:27   like Bowie as an actor I think he's he's [TS]

00:26:30   magnetic he is fantastic i I've never [TS]

00:26:34   seen him give a bad performance it's [TS]

00:26:37   interesting the the storyteller comment [TS]

00:26:39   because I've never heard that but that [TS]

00:26:41   mean that's kind of how I've taken the [TS]

00:26:44   other roles i do in theater whether it's [TS]

00:26:46   designing posters or making sound [TS]

00:26:49   effects or or even props which nobody is [TS]

00:26:53   going to see closely except the actors [TS]

00:26:55   but i always have that in the back of my [TS]

00:26:58   head is that i am telling a story even [TS]

00:27:00   in this little tiny medium even this [TS]

00:27:02   little like 30 seconds of sound that I [TS]

00:27:05   have to put together to sound like a [TS]

00:27:06   convincing thing off stage right and [TS]

00:27:09   that kind of shines through both in his [TS]

00:27:11   music but in the way he performed on [TS]

00:27:13   stage and the way he committed two [TS]

00:27:15   characters in each of the different [TS]

00:27:16   incarnations he had and then taking it [TS]

00:27:21   the rest of the way onto the stage and [TS]

00:27:23   into film i mean the the prestige which [TS]

00:27:26   is a film i enjoy i like that movie but [TS]

00:27:30   he walks in it for what five minutes and [TS]

00:27:33   steals the film [TS]

00:27:34   oh yes is the best thing in 10 minutes [TS]

00:27:37   of screen time on that or something and [TS]

00:27:38   yet nobody thinks of it as oh that's the [TS]

00:27:41   movie Bowie's it [TS]

00:27:42   yeah yep and and it's what was what's [TS]

00:27:45   amazing to me about that one is like [TS]

00:27:46   like the third man another film i love [TS]

00:27:49   yes people think Orson Welles is in it [TS]

00:27:51   for the whole thing they think Harry [TS]

00:27:53   alignments the main character because [TS]

00:27:54   everybody talks about Harry Lime for the [TS]

00:27:57   whole damn movie and nobody talks about [TS]

00:27:59   Tesla in this he shows up he does his [TS]

00:28:03   thing he leaves the movie is nothing [TS]

00:28:06   without and the movie would not be the [TS]

00:28:08   same without him which is good [TS]

00:28:11   you know it's it's a beautiful act of [TS]

00:28:13   movie stealing and and but he was like [TS]

00:28:16   that in the last temptation of christ [TS]

00:28:18   right who would cast him as Pontius [TS]

00:28:21   Pilate but that is a terrific terrific [TS]

00:28:24   job of casting because he's again he's [TS]

00:28:28   not just the evil mustache throwing [TS]

00:28:31   villain right [TS]

00:28:34   i I just I kind of wish i had been able [TS]

00:28:37   to see the elephant man on stage because [TS]

00:28:40   I i can imagine [TS]

00:28:42   yeah i i'm i'm speechless at half of [TS]

00:28:46   trying to trying to figure out how to [TS]

00:28:48   explain it but yeah just that commitment [TS]

00:28:52   to character which really shines through [TS]

00:28:56   across all up all the media [TS]

00:28:59   yeah it really does and as you saying [TS]

00:29:01   he's you know work as a musician he's [TS]

00:29:03   the personas they had adopted [TS]

00:29:06   I mean it's a lesser artist may have and [TS]

00:29:12   Bowie did feel restricted sometimes by [TS]

00:29:15   the personas that he built he famously [TS]

00:29:16   you know effectively killed ziggy [TS]

00:29:18   stardust because it was becoming a [TS]

00:29:21   self-fulfilling prophecy [TS]

00:29:22   you know real life was now starting to [TS]

00:29:25   mirror the story told on the record and [TS]

00:29:28   he was being suffocated by the Ziggy [TS]

00:29:30   Stardust persona but he did manage to [TS]

00:29:33   move on from it and he didn't panic that [TS]

00:29:37   he would be nothing without it and he [TS]

00:29:39   did that so many times throughout his [TS]

00:29:41   career do you think we ever really got [TS]

00:29:45   to see the real David Bowie don't see [TS]

00:29:48   where they're not all the real David [TS]

00:29:49   Bowie yeah i agree i think i think [TS]

00:29:52   they're alternately interesting right [TS]

00:29:54   different facets of his personality [TS]

00:29:56   well and also i think and i think you [TS]

00:29:58   remember this career went on for an [TS]

00:30:01   awfully long time it's it's so what in [TS]

00:30:03   45 it's nearly 50-year career that we [TS]

00:30:07   know him and you know people change / / [TS]

00:30:11   times like that I mean none of us are [TS]

00:30:13   the same person we were 20 years ago [TS]

00:30:16   it's just that you know the people who [TS]

00:30:19   have seen us over those 20 years have [TS]

00:30:22   been the ones who are living with us [TS]

00:30:23   it's it's not fans right who have [TS]

00:30:26   perhaps a vested interest in one of our [TS]

00:30:29   versions know he and he that's what he [TS]

00:30:32   had to live with of course is the people [TS]

00:30:33   and all artists do when they want to do [TS]

00:30:37   something new is you know the people who [TS]

00:30:39   like them for what they were five years [TS]

00:30:41   ago don't want them to change they [TS]

00:30:43   wanted to keep churning out the same [TS]

00:30:44   thing again and again [TS]

00:30:46   and what was it except and I think [TS]

00:30:48   Anthony you got this exactly right arm [TS]

00:30:51   the except Boeing didn't do that except [TS]

00:30:56   perhaps in the aftermath of let's dance [TS]

00:30:58   which was such a huge hit for him and [TS]

00:31:05   sizes such such LOL i think [TS]

00:31:08   life-changing event we've lost yet [TS]

00:31:10   yeah uh that he kind of repeated himself [TS]

00:31:14   a little bit there for her for a couple [TS]

00:31:17   years [TS]

00:31:18   yeah he found a huge new audience with [TS]

00:31:21   let's dance he was starting to feel I'm [TS]

00:31:23   starting to become irrelevant around [TS]

00:31:26   that time and then the story is that he [TS]

00:31:30   he literally went to nile rodgers and [TS]

00:31:32   sent and said I want to hit let's write [TS]

00:31:34   a hit [TS]

00:31:35   I need a hit record and you know and if [TS]

00:31:40   you're if you're going to write a hit [TS]

00:31:42   record [TS]

00:31:42   David Bowie and nile rodgers are pretty [TS]

00:31:44   much two of the guys you go to do that [TS]

00:31:46   and it became such a hit and found him [TS]

00:31:50   out such a huge new audience that [TS]

00:31:53   suddenly he was more commercially [TS]

00:31:56   successful than he had ever been earning [TS]

00:31:59   more money than he ever had doing bigger [TS]

00:32:02   tours than he ever had and I remember [TS]

00:32:06   the all the ads for the serious [TS]

00:32:07   moonlight tour were everywhere under [TS]

00:32:10   your work together well and even later [TS]

00:32:12   on in there in the aftermath of things [TS]

00:32:16   like never let me down you had the glass [TS]

00:32:17   spider tour which was an enormous [TS]

00:32:19   production a huge massive stage [TS]

00:32:23   production that toured all over the [TS]

00:32:24   place did like four continents or [TS]

00:32:26   something [TS]

00:32:27   it was ridiculous and yet he was [TS]

00:32:31   famously burned out at the end of it and [TS]

00:32:33   that's what led to him sort of [TS]

00:32:35   retreating away from the spotlight and [TS]

00:32:37   forming team machine but you know even [TS]

00:32:39   when you look at that whole area that's [TS]

00:32:40   still him changing into something else [TS]

00:32:43   being the chameleon he hadn't yet been [TS]

00:32:45   the person who was was the hitmaker who [TS]

00:32:47   was going after commercial success so I [TS]

00:32:49   don't mean some people i think me look [TS]

00:32:51   at that face is selling out i look at it [TS]

00:32:53   is him trying something new yet again [TS]

00:32:56   oh no I agree completely yeah yeah it's [TS]

00:32:58   yup the other thing about that about [TS]

00:33:00   let's dance was that was the first time [TS]

00:33:03   he was at the time this was considered [TS]

00:33:06   to come back for him [TS]

00:33:07   yeah because because he had been away [TS]

00:33:11   for a few years he had gone off to do [TS]

00:33:13   Elephant Man are scary monsters was the [TS]

00:33:17   last album that he had done which was [TS]

00:33:19   with 79 or 80 or something like that and [TS]

00:33:22   it didn't have and I don't think you at [TS]

00:33:26   the time I mean I think now we look back [TS]

00:33:28   and say what you have a damn good album [TS]

00:33:30   but I think at the time it was it wasn't [TS]

00:33:33   as well received maybe some of the stuff [TS]

00:33:34   that you've done so then he went off and [TS]

00:33:36   he did Elephant Man use it and we all [TS]

00:33:38   thought I'm 20 years old at this point [TS]

00:33:40   I'm in my early twenties during this [TS]

00:33:42   period i kind of thought David Bowie was [TS]

00:33:44   done as a musician and he was only going [TS]

00:33:47   to be doing acting oh wow [TS]

00:33:49   and I don't know if that was a common [TS]

00:33:50   view but he had been gone for a long [TS]

00:33:52   time and the guy had put out albums like [TS]

00:33:54   clockwork [TS]

00:33:56   ever since 1970 or so and suddenly in in [TS]

00:34:00   so you put out 10 11 albums in that [TS]

00:34:03   decade and then suddenly he went to [TS]

00:34:06   three years without an album and he had [TS]

00:34:08   this other thing and we all knew you [TS]

00:34:11   know because of the stage persona that [TS]

00:34:13   he personas that he had always adopted [TS]

00:34:16   in the way his stage shows had always [TS]

00:34:17   worked we knew he was a very theatrical [TS]

00:34:20   guy and now okay now he's on broadway in [TS]

00:34:23   Elephant Man [TS]

00:34:24   he's done he's he's found the new thing [TS]

00:34:27   that he's going to do and he's not going [TS]

00:34:30   to do music anymore is what's up with [TS]

00:34:33   what i thought at the time and then he [TS]

00:34:34   comes back with let's dance and yes [TS]

00:34:36   there's no question it's it's much [TS]

00:34:39   different from his earlier stuff it is [TS]

00:34:40   very commercial boy it was good man that [TS]

00:34:44   was a great apple it really was yeah [TS]

00:34:46   there's a reason that it was so popular [TS]

00:34:48   no absolutely and and if you don't think [TS]

00:34:51   the u-men you everything about his stage [TS]

00:34:55   shows change because it is it was so [TS]

00:34:58   massive and he became you know what the [TS]

00:35:01   way pink floyd turned into or the stones [TS]

00:35:03   with these gigantic productions are you [TS]

00:35:07   know he wasn't playing little places [TS]

00:35:09   anymore [TS]

00:35:10   uh oh god no no no you bringing normal [TS]

00:35:13   arenas and stuff yeah no more beer like [TS]

00:35:15   to guide him but you didn't mention [TS]

00:35:19   about him putting albums out like [TS]

00:35:20   clockwork [TS]

00:35:21   uh I think was the BBC put a chart [TS]

00:35:23   together a day or two ago with the face [TS]

00:35:26   of a sort of blurry chronology just his [TS]

00:35:29   music just looking at you know sort of [TS]

00:35:30   how successful these albums had been and [TS]

00:35:34   you look at that period of the seventies [TS]

00:35:35   and oh my goodness he put out more music [TS]

00:35:38   than you know some rock musicians do in [TS]

00:35:41   their entire 30-year career was amazing [TS]

00:35:44   that was more of a thing back then [TS]

00:35:45   though our people didn't know that it to [TS]

00:35:49   me it was Michael Jackson who invented [TS]

00:35:52   the stretched out release our and not [TS]

00:35:56   putting out an album every year or two [TS]

00:35:58   and still being a viable and in in the [TS]

00:36:02   in the public eye kind of artist you [TS]

00:36:05   know the Beatles always put it they were [TS]

00:36:07   also like clockwork the stones in the ER [TS]

00:36:09   leaders like the alt same thing always [TS]

00:36:12   putting our product because up until [TS]

00:36:14   that this is the drain history of rock [TS]

00:36:18   and roll [TS]

00:36:19   forgive me this is not necessarily a [TS]

00:36:23   certified by any academic environment [TS]

00:36:26   but II it seems like up until about [TS]

00:36:29   nineteen eighty people were still [TS]

00:36:32   thinking that a rock-and-roll career was [TS]

00:36:34   evanescent and you were gonna last and [TS]

00:36:39   so you you hit it when when you got [TS]

00:36:42   popular you stayed with it and you put [TS]

00:36:44   the pedal down and you put out product [TS]

00:36:47   continually you didn't dribble it out [TS]

00:36:49   bits and bits and bits at a time you did [TS]

00:36:52   it because it was going to be gone [TS]

00:36:54   tomorrow right it's like being a [TS]

00:36:55   professional athlete you've got maybe [TS]

00:36:57   four years so get everything while you [TS]

00:36:59   can [TS]

00:37:00   exactly and you know i also wonder how [TS]

00:37:02   how much the advent of mtv music videos [TS]

00:37:06   sort of helped helped along with that [TS]

00:37:08   you could stay in the public eye a [TS]

00:37:09   little bit longer because your videos [TS]

00:37:11   were getting so much so much rotation [TS]

00:37:13   which means reaching somewhat of a [TS]

00:37:16   different audience and the radio is and [TS]

00:37:18   got i cannot remember like I can't count [TS]

00:37:19   how many times I saw that dancing in the [TS]

00:37:21   street video with him [TS]

00:37:23   you think that he was everywhere for [TS]

00:37:25   years i was gonna skip over that I [TS]

00:37:28   wasn't going to let you know the pants [TS]

00:37:30   the pants [TS]

00:37:32   it's an infectious video I mean it drove [TS]

00:37:34   me crazy at the time but at the same [TS]

00:37:35   time it got stuck in my head all he [TS]

00:37:38   wanted to do the move is a great song [TS]

00:37:40   it's a great song [TS]

00:37:41   it's like the collaboration with Queen [TS]

00:37:43   under pressure [TS]

00:37:45   it's like candy he's kind of cheesy and [TS]

00:37:47   it's a bit you know it gets it is near [TS]

00:37:49   one but it's a really good song and [TS]

00:37:51   talking about videos I mean we still get [TS]

00:37:53   that now [TS]

00:37:54   actually that's a really good point [TS]

00:37:55   about video enabling longevity of [TS]

00:37:57   artists because with the release of [TS]

00:38:01   black star his final album and in fact [TS]

00:38:05   actually before it was released when we [TS]

00:38:06   got the advanced video for the song [TS]

00:38:10   black star they sort of it like 8-9 [TS]

00:38:13   minute long video to go with the song [TS]

00:38:15   which is a an amazing video but we know [TS]

00:38:20   now clearly he wasn't healthy enough to [TS]

00:38:23   do anything other than a video but he [TS]

00:38:27   was able to do that and so sort of you [TS]

00:38:29   know present the art in that way put in [TS]

00:38:32   our minds and if we you know if he [TS]

00:38:34   hadn't died we would never have known [TS]

00:38:36   that he was ill during the making of [TS]

00:38:38   that video because you can do that in [TS]

00:38:39   film you can hide that sort of thing you [TS]

00:38:42   can't do that if you're gallivanting [TS]

00:38:43   around onstage during live performances [TS]

00:38:45   no one of the one of the things that [TS]

00:38:47   sort of amazed me this week and [TS]

00:38:50   especially about black star so you know [TS]

00:38:53   I was awake when the news broke in the [TS]

00:38:55   middle of the night and the next morning [TS]

00:38:57   you know and seeing everything on [TS]

00:38:58   Twitter my kids I don't necessarily know [TS]

00:39:01   if they have any frame of reference for [TS]

00:39:04   who this is right and so my [TS]

00:39:08   fourteen-year-old comes home from school [TS]

00:39:10   that afternoon and we just started [TS]

00:39:12   talking and talking about music and [TS]

00:39:13   because you know there's this really [TS]

00:39:14   good new album out [TS]

00:39:16   did you hear the story about it like [TS]

00:39:18   what what do you mean well trained at [TS]

00:39:20   every you know all of his friends on [TS]

00:39:22   Instagram all these you know everybody's [TS]

00:39:24   got tributes to bowie and some of the [TS]

00:39:27   teachers mentioned Bowie and so he went [TS]

00:39:30   he went and listened to Blackstar on his [TS]

00:39:32   own just out of curiosity and then he [TS]

00:39:34   went back and realize that he knew [TS]

00:39:36   all these other songs that had just been [TS]

00:39:37   playing all of his life and connect them [TS]

00:39:40   all and they said that's a really good [TS]

00:39:42   album and it's really impressive that he [TS]

00:39:45   did that in the last year and a half and [TS]

00:39:47   I said yes that's kind of you know and [TS]

00:39:50   and he said you know a black star is is [TS]

00:39:53   a medical term for a kind of cancer [TS]

00:39:55   lesion that's amazing [TS]

00:39:58   he's brilliant and then I didn't know [TS]

00:40:01   that God well and and what's what's [TS]

00:40:05   really funny to me about that is that [TS]

00:40:07   you know sadly this week alan rickman [TS]

00:40:10   also passed away and I figured you know [TS]

00:40:13   okay if that was the reaction to go if [TS]

00:40:16   he knew hours before it came up in [TS]

00:40:18   conversation at home because he was at [TS]

00:40:19   school you know will surely surely he'll [TS]

00:40:22   have heard about this because all of his [TS]

00:40:24   friends watching all the harry potter [TS]

00:40:26   movies right [TS]

00:40:27   this is the big thing and he comes home [TS]

00:40:29   I said did you hear the entertainment [TS]

00:40:30   news today he goes [TS]

00:40:31   did someone else die isn't he began at [TS]

00:40:34   Helen recommend oh my god nobody was [TS]

00:40:38   talking about that and you would think [TS]

00:40:40   that would have had more of an impact on [TS]

00:40:42   his immediate age-group because of the [TS]

00:40:45   Harry Potter movies he has a very potter [TS]

00:40:47   no didn't really come up but everybody [TS]

00:40:50   everybody was still talking about and [TS]

00:40:52   thinking about Bo and we've been [TS]

00:40:53   listening to the music all week here on [TS]

00:40:55   request miles like okay [TS]

00:40:59   my son has good ten good taste and [TS]

00:41:01   intentionally i think that's a good [TS]

00:41:02   demonstration of the appeal Bowie had [TS]

00:41:06   across generations and across boundaries [TS]

00:41:09   and as I've said my mother my mother [TS]

00:41:11   loves like you know poppin disco and she [TS]

00:41:13   loved Bowie my father is always a rocker [TS]

00:41:16   but he library as well you know he's [TS]

00:41:19   brother my uncle when he made me the [TS]

00:41:20   tapes he's basically a prog-rock you [TS]

00:41:22   know he's the one going into Genesis for [TS]

00:41:24   heaven's sake and he loved Bowie there [TS]

00:41:27   was i don't know if you saw it there's a [TS]

00:41:29   john snow the eminent British newscaster [TS]

00:41:32   not the couch from games right made in [TS]

00:41:35   an impromptu video a sort of unofficial [TS]

00:41:38   video which he posted online with his [TS]

00:41:41   sort of personal feelings about Bowie [TS]

00:41:43   and you know and he's not a young man [TS]

00:41:46   and he said we thought bobby was our [TS]

00:41:49   rock hero you know because he was an [TS]

00:41:51   adult by the time but his career was [TS]

00:41:53   getting going about the same age and he [TS]

00:41:54   was like we thought bobby was ours and [TS]

00:41:57   now i'm discovering that actually every [TS]

00:41:59   generation regarded Bowie as there's it [TS]

00:42:03   was you know every generation discovered [TS]

00:42:06   him and you because he reinvented [TS]

00:42:07   himself because he had such a long and [TS]

00:42:10   prolific career and because frankly he [TS]

00:42:12   was just that damn good [TS]

00:42:14   it's some it reminded me here maybe [TS]

00:42:17   think of doctor who actually he and the [TS]

00:42:19   way that everybody has their doctor you [TS]

00:42:22   know he basically regenerated anything [TS]

00:42:26   yes David Bowie has a Time Lord is [TS]

00:42:27   something that i have seen on Twitter a [TS]

00:42:29   couple of that [TS]

00:42:31   yeah I'm sure there's some more fanfic [TS]

00:42:33   for years you would have been a good [TS]

00:42:34   doctor would have our don't don't [TS]

00:42:37   torture us like imagine i think he would [TS]

00:42:40   have been a good other time lord right [TS]

00:42:43   no mention is the war doctor my marriage [TS]

00:42:46   in islam and are at but there are cases [TS]

00:42:51   and that leads us to his impact on [TS]

00:42:54   culture as a whole across the [TS]

00:42:57   generations across boundaries across [TS]

00:42:58   media he made such a difference and one [TS]

00:43:02   of the really interesting to me because [TS]

00:43:05   this wasn't really my experience but it [TS]

00:43:07   really interested in there i've seen [TS]

00:43:08   people talking about on mine is the [TS]

00:43:10   Bowie to a lot of people [TS]

00:43:14   it felt like he effectively gave them [TS]

00:43:17   permission to be weird like people who [TS]

00:43:20   felt like outsiders outcasts you know [TS]

00:43:22   the weird ones the Nerds the geeks which [TS]

00:43:24   was believed me was definitely me when I [TS]

00:43:27   was younger but i found my outlet for [TS]

00:43:29   that through heavy metal and goth music [TS]

00:43:31   but I'm finding a lot of people [TS]

00:43:34   apparently found their sort of you know [TS]

00:43:37   looked to bowie bowie bowie was [TS]

00:43:39   effectively saying look it's okay to be [TS]

00:43:41   weird [TS]

00:43:41   actually you don't need to fit in you [TS]

00:43:43   can be cool and weird at the same time [TS]

00:43:46   yeah I think there's a lot of truth to [TS]

00:43:47   that I mean that isn't that isn't my [TS]

00:43:50   take on Bowie I mean he didn't save my [TS]

00:43:54   life or anything like that I just really [TS]

00:43:56   liked what he did but yeah you can [TS]

00:43:59   certainly see that if you [TS]

00:44:01   as soon as people started writing that I [TS]

00:44:03   said yeah absolutely and that makes a [TS]

00:44:05   lot of sense IE because he was weird and [TS]

00:44:09   and and yet incredibly cool yeah i think [TS]

00:44:12   for me I guess I never really had [TS]

00:44:16   trouble being myself and maybe that's [TS]

00:44:18   because I started listening to an [TS]

00:44:20   absorbing poets at such a young age but [TS]

00:44:23   i think i can i can see that a little [TS]

00:44:25   bit kind of from the other side in that [TS]

00:44:27   David Bowie introduced me to this this [TS]

00:44:30   persona who was different things at [TS]

00:44:32   different times and who is strange and [TS]

00:44:34   androgynous and and just marching to the [TS]

00:44:37   beat of his own literal drums and I knew [TS]

00:44:41   kids when I was in school who were very [TS]

00:44:43   weird androgynous and color their hair [TS]

00:44:46   different colors and stuff and I wasn't [TS]

00:44:48   one of those kids but because i had been [TS]

00:44:50   exposed to David Bowie I was totally [TS]

00:44:52   cool with that and I grew up in a pretty [TS]

00:44:54   rural area and there were lots of kids [TS]

00:44:55   who were not cool with that right so I [TS]

00:44:57   feel like maybe had it not been for [TS]

00:44:59   David Bowie and you know my [TS]

00:45:01   understanding parents and stuff and [TS]

00:45:02   stealing that sort of thing in me I you [TS]

00:45:04   know I could have ended up being one of [TS]

00:45:05   those other kids and thank you too David [TS]

00:45:07   Bowie for the part that he had in [TS]

00:45:09   teaching me that it's okay to be [TS]

00:45:10   different it's okay to be queer all that [TS]

00:45:13   stuff is is cool when and speaking of [TS]

00:45:16   rural areas i mean that's that's where I [TS]

00:45:18   live now and it's it still blows my mind [TS]

00:45:23   earlier I guess last summer we had one [TS]

00:45:27   of his fellow bandmates from ten machine [TS]

00:45:31   came through and played at our venue [TS]

00:45:33   here and I did all the post-american [TS]

00:45:35   yarbs ok reeves gabrels is coming to [TS]

00:45:38   town this is awesome and you know you [TS]

00:45:39   could say to the locals you know here's [TS]

00:45:42   this musician he's coming with his new [TS]

00:45:45   album and his band you know and they had [TS]

00:45:47   no idea who he was and only had to say [TS]

00:45:49   was well he worked with David Bowie 00 i [TS]

00:45:53   know this album this album this album [TS]

00:45:54   this album he's on all those albums he [TS]

00:45:56   was a collaborator that's fantastic i'll [TS]

00:45:58   be there and the show sold out [TS]

00:46:00   Wow and and it's like you know just what [TS]

00:46:03   I think this town is like the [TS]

00:46:04   stereotypical rural American middle [TS]

00:46:07   Western you know get me out of here kind [TS]

00:46:09   of town they surprised me [TS]

00:46:11   it's like and then again that just shows [TS]

00:46:14   how [TS]

00:46:14   how easily he was able to cross over [TS]

00:46:17   those barriers and boundaries that that [TS]

00:46:20   he was at all appealing to the kind of [TS]

00:46:23   people who just live here and listen to [TS]

00:46:25   lawrence well and it's like in a way we [TS]

00:46:28   we have that lets dance phase to thank [TS]

00:46:30   for that because if he hadn't hit that [TS]

00:46:32   makes level of popularity with matt and [TS]

00:46:34   mass appeal then I'm on many many people [TS]

00:46:37   wouldn't have dug in a little bit [TS]

00:46:40   farther and discovered all of those cool [TS]

00:46:42   weird things in addition to the pop [TS]

00:46:45   stuff so it's like my grandparents loved [TS]

00:46:48   him but they discovered him through the [TS]

00:46:51   Bing Crosby christmas special [TS]

00:46:52   Wow and and what what amazes them and [TS]

00:46:57   and my grandmother talked about this [TS]

00:46:58   several times over the years was that [TS]

00:47:01   his counterpoint to the song was so [TS]

00:47:04   lovely and and their voices blended so [TS]

00:47:06   well and of course the story was that he [TS]

00:47:09   didn't want to sing the song he wanted [TS]

00:47:12   to sing something more interesting so [TS]

00:47:13   they came up with that on the spot so [TS]

00:47:16   that he didn't have to sing the [TS]

00:47:17   traditional song how and you know but [TS]

00:47:20   but it is it's a beautiful [TS]

00:47:22   that's a really good performance yeah [TS]

00:47:24   you know without any without having seen [TS]

00:47:26   it you know you you hear the the names [TS]

00:47:28   we go [TS]

00:47:29   no that's not gonna work that's [TS]

00:47:31   fantastic what and i think the other [TS]

00:47:33   interesting thing that I've always [TS]

00:47:34   thought about that is that you can see [TS]

00:47:37   that while obviously very is kind of [TS]

00:47:40   like I'm the new blood [TS]

00:47:42   you know you're the old guard at the [TS]

00:47:44   same time there's no you don't get any [TS]

00:47:46   kind of impression of disrespect going [TS]

00:47:49   cross me from beaudinot mean there's no [TS]

00:47:51   sort of punkish yeah whatever granddad [TS]

00:47:53   you don't know anything attitude which [TS]

00:47:55   you can imagine your berry mind how [TS]

00:47:57   successful but he was you can imagine [TS]

00:47:59   many performers of his era would have [TS]

00:48:03   felt a little like what am I doing here [TS]

00:48:05   with this weird middle-aged geezer you [TS]

00:48:08   know but Bowie clearly respected Crosby [TS]

00:48:11   and I think that really helps with the [TS]

00:48:13   performance you know I think it's less [TS]

00:48:16   obvious that Crosby respected by which [TS]

00:48:18   is why it's not one of my favorite thing [TS]

00:48:20   I can't claim gentleman right there [TS]

00:48:23   I would not call it fantastic involved [TS]

00:48:25   the bones performance is great i'm not [TS]

00:48:26   sure even knew [TS]

00:48:27   ruby was exactly that's interested the [TS]

00:48:32   story about riesgo bros because that [TS]

00:48:34   leads to an area where i wanted to talk [TS]

00:48:35   about which is the body's collaborators [TS]

00:48:38   he was very good at choosing [TS]

00:48:41   collaborators we're very generous with [TS]

00:48:43   many of his collaborators read [TS]

00:48:44   Gabrielle's incidentally was not just a [TS]

00:48:46   collaborator he also produced a couple [TS]

00:48:49   of days later rooms he produced [TS]

00:48:51   earthling and I think ours as well and [TS]

00:48:55   of course was instrumental in 10 machine [TS]

00:48:57   it was it was really Gabrielle's who [TS]

00:48:59   basically at the end of the glass by [TS]

00:49:01   Dassault or said to bowie look you're [TS]

00:49:03   clearly burnt-out you need to stop doing [TS]

00:49:06   this thing that you hate what you think [TS]

00:49:10   everybody wants you to do because it's [TS]

00:49:12   just gonna kill you [TS]

00:49:13   you've got to do you go back to doing [TS]

00:49:15   what you want to do because that's why [TS]

00:49:17   everybody loved you in the first place [TS]

00:49:18   so you know we all have reached [TS]

00:49:21   gabrielle was quite a debt actually but [TS]

00:49:24   what was looking it up he was also [TS]

00:49:25   involved in Omicron which I did not know [TS]

00:49:28   i didn't know that no but yet there was [TS]

00:49:30   those risk of girls obviously this tony [TS]

00:49:32   visconti for many many many years [TS]

00:49:34   brian eno several times most famously [TS]

00:49:36   with the Berlin trilogy but also with [TS]

00:49:39   outside which is my personal actual [TS]

00:49:41   Ashley favorite Bowie album but that's [TS]

00:49:44   probably just because i love you know so [TS]

00:49:46   many people that he collaborated with [TS]

00:49:48   some of them [TS]

00:49:50   robert fripp famously some of the many [TS]

00:49:52   times some of them only wants but he was [TS]

00:49:54   really good at choosing people to work [TS]

00:49:58   with that would complement him and that [TS]

00:49:59   would push him to do interesting new [TS]

00:50:02   things now I think it you know the [TS]

00:50:06   original i would say is Mick Ranson em [TS]

00:50:08   and Robinson was a was I think you need [TS]

00:50:12   now I'm maybe the the very late Bowie i [TS]

00:50:16   don't i don't know so much about a stage [TS]

00:50:18   act but it ransom share it but we shared [TS]

00:50:23   the stage with router which is not [TS]

00:50:26   something you see if you look at concert [TS]

00:50:28   video from others other stages of [TS]

00:50:32   Bowie's career typically are its Bowie [TS]

00:50:35   yeah you know their backup singers there [TS]

00:50:38   are musicians floating around [TS]

00:50:40   but it's Bowie he's the focus and he he [TS]

00:50:45   allowed ronson to have the focus for [TS]

00:50:47   huge chunks of stage time during the [TS]

00:50:51   ziggy years and and of course played off [TS]

00:50:54   of him a tremendous amount so and you [TS]

00:50:58   know I I don't think Robinson gets [TS]

00:51:01   songwriting credit on those but he made [TS]

00:51:05   the steel guitar made those songs the [TS]

00:51:08   way they are I mean he was i think i [TS]

00:51:12   think you get production credit bra on [TS]

00:51:15   Ziggy Stardust I don't have the album in [TS]

00:51:17   front of me but he was a huge part of [TS]

00:51:20   the sound of bowie during you know that [TS]

00:51:25   element aladdin sane [TS]

00:51:26   yeah he was and of course it was ronson [TS]

00:51:29   that i'm not sure if this is sort of [TS]

00:51:32   ever made the news in America but [TS]

00:51:33   overhear it was huge it was ronson that [TS]

00:51:36   Bowie put his arm around while they were [TS]

00:51:39   performing I think it might have been [TS]

00:51:40   busy status on Top of the Pops now some [TS]

00:51:46   context like men did not put their arm [TS]

00:51:51   around other men in a friendly fashion [TS]

00:51:53   right in the nineteen seventies in the [TS]

00:51:56   UK that especially not on television and [TS]

00:51:59   especially not when wearing makeup and [TS]

00:52:01   spangly glam-rock outfits and you know [TS]

00:52:03   there were things open to the waist and [TS]

00:52:07   showing their chest it was just it was [TS]

00:52:09   one of the most homosexual things that [TS]

00:52:13   had ever been shown on British [TS]

00:52:14   television other point even though it is [TS]

00:52:16   not homosexual at all but the public [TS]

00:52:20   perception was that this was outrageous [TS]

00:52:22   absolutely daring and outrageous and it [TS]

00:52:25   was bo & Johnson who did that and I [TS]

00:52:28   think and that was a huge cultural [TS]

00:52:30   moment as well [TS]

00:52:31   well it was that was very toned down [TS]

00:52:33   from the stage show which was more like [TS]

00:52:36   simulated fellatio with the with rounds [TS]

00:52:39   and guitar really sorry and all yes [TS]

00:52:43   yeah so so so the BBC's Top of the Pops [TS]

00:52:46   got got the safe version [TS]

00:52:49   right but even that was not I mean yes [TS]

00:52:51   safe compared to the stage version but [TS]

00:52:53   yellow for television at the time here [TS]

00:52:55   was not regarded safe at all [TS]

00:52:57   that's as crazy and then yes I said you [TS]

00:52:59   know Tony Visconti brian eno all these [TS]

00:53:01   people that he was so generous with and [TS]

00:53:06   some of them like visconti came back and [TS]

00:53:08   work with him again and again and again [TS]

00:53:10   so you the must've you know and they [TS]

00:53:14   didn't need to [TS]

00:53:15   this is the thing as well as some of [TS]

00:53:16   these people are very successful in [TS]

00:53:18   their own right [TS]

00:53:19   some of them like this county is [TS]

00:53:21   certainly you know I'm sure that man [TS]

00:53:22   never needs to work again for the money [TS]

00:53:24   so I think it speaks to the quality of [TS]

00:53:28   his work that so many of these people [TS]

00:53:31   came back again and again to be [TS]

00:53:33   effectively silent partners because [TS]

00:53:35   nobody except enthusiasts really cares [TS]

00:53:38   who else is on the records other than [TS]

00:53:40   Bowie not to always bring it back to [TS]

00:53:42   elaborate but even the labyrinth [TS]

00:53:44   soundtrack he wrote all of the songs for [TS]

00:53:46   the soundtrack for the movie even the [TS]

00:53:48   ones that he didn't thing and it was [TS]

00:53:50   actually a composer trevor jones who did [TS]

00:53:52   the score for the film and I don't know [TS]

00:53:54   what came first his songs or the score [TS]

00:53:57   but regardless as you listen to that [TS]

00:53:59   sound track everything weaves together [TS]

00:54:01   beautiful yeah yeah so I mean it's just [TS]

00:54:03   it you don't necessarily know that it [TS]

00:54:06   was actually written by two different [TS]

00:54:08   people so i don't know if it was trevor [TS]

00:54:09   jones and morphing or David Bowie or [TS]

00:54:12   both of them working together but [TS]

00:54:13   whatever it is it comes out great when [TS]

00:54:15   you know one of the the hottest tickets [TS]

00:54:18   in new york right now is the play [TS]

00:54:20   Lazarus which he collaborated with [TS]

00:54:23   player a tender Walsh who is a very very [TS]

00:54:28   good playwright and director Ivo van [TS]

00:54:31   hove and again you know picking really [TS]

00:54:34   good collaborators and it's basically an [TS]

00:54:36   adaptation of The Man Who Fell to earth [TS]

00:54:38   as a musical that has some original [TS]

00:54:41   stuff that the song Lazarus that's on [TS]

00:54:43   black star is the title song from this [TS]

00:54:45   and it's got some you know other songs [TS]

00:54:48   from his catalog and everybody I know [TS]

00:54:51   who has seen it has said it is [TS]

00:54:53   spectacular huh was spectacular in a [TS]

00:54:56   literal sense or just in that it's [TS]

00:54:58   amazing just that it's an amazing night [TS]

00:55:01   of theater [TS]

00:55:02   but right now I was gonna say i'd advise [TS]

00:55:04   I can't somehow imagine something like [TS]

00:55:07   that being spectacular in the left in [TS]

00:55:09   the literal stage sense it's not really [TS]

00:55:12   the right mood but but to think that [TS]

00:55:15   that is collaborating on that at the [TS]

00:55:17   same time as all of this and and making [TS]

00:55:19   black start doing all of that other [TS]

00:55:21   stuff [TS]

00:55:21   yeah it's just served you know it seeing [TS]

00:55:24   that 18-month period as I have to do as [TS]

00:55:28   much as I can before i'm gone right yeah [TS]

00:55:31   and-and-and getting all of this heart [TS]

00:55:33   out and all those aren't that it's not [TS]

00:55:35   just that it's really good stuff [TS]

00:55:37   it's also you know at the time when it [TS]

00:55:41   first premiered you know you go thats [TS]

00:55:43   it's the man fell to earth ok and and [TS]

00:55:45   you know when the news came out about [TS]

00:55:47   black start coming out soon right [TS]

00:55:49   we always got a new album this is [TS]

00:55:51   fantastic and and in retrospect it all [TS]

00:55:55   ties together and and is has an even [TS]

00:55:57   deeper meaning than we could have [TS]

00:55:58   thought at the time [TS]

00:55:59   absolutely yeah yeah I'm actually [TS]

00:56:02   something that's just come to mind [TS]

00:56:04   talking about his generosity and you all [TS]

00:56:07   know that Duncan Jones the film director [TS]

00:56:09   is his son right that's only bits [TS]

00:56:12   yeah yes at the premiere of I think it [TS]

00:56:17   was source code which was Jones his [TS]

00:56:19   second major movie the body was there he [TS]

00:56:22   went to the premiere get a sort of in [TS]

00:56:24   mufti as he were he didn't dress up for [TS]

00:56:26   anything for you but he was there the [TS]

00:56:29   premier accompany his son and he refused [TS]

00:56:32   to answer any questions from the press [TS]

00:56:34   not in a slutty way but in a sort of [TS]

00:56:37   people were like oh my god he's here [TS]

00:56:39   he's here he's here they all want to [TS]

00:56:40   talk to him and he was just like no no I [TS]

00:56:43   you know talk to my son [TS]

00:56:44   hi this is not i am here to support my [TS]

00:56:47   son I am NOT here for you to talk to me [TS]

00:56:50   and make it about me go away and I just [TS]

00:56:53   thought of ways [TS]

00:56:54   yeah that's wonderful well i think you [TS]

00:56:55   know what you said earlier about people [TS]

00:56:57   not just cut you can imagine anyone [TS]

00:57:00   would want to collaborate with Bowie arm [TS]

00:57:03   but people want to collaborate with him [TS]

00:57:05   a second time I think says more it right [TS]

00:57:10   yeah it says more about him as a person [TS]

00:57:12   there's [TS]

00:57:12   then as an artist and everyone would [TS]

00:57:15   want to collaborate with them as an [TS]

00:57:16   artist but the fact that they wanted to [TS]

00:57:17   come back means the experience was good [TS]

00:57:20   right yeah because everybody wants to do [TS]

00:57:23   it because like I'm God is bowing of [TS]

00:57:25   course that would be brilliant but [TS]

00:57:26   artists like him often have a reputation [TS]

00:57:31   for being difficult and you know but [TS]

00:57:35   there are stories of bowie being [TS]

00:57:37   somewhat difficult various times [TS]

00:57:41   throughout his career but yeah clearly [TS]

00:57:44   overall must have been fairly good to [TS]

00:57:48   work with or it must have been worth it [TS]

00:57:50   at least even if it was hard work and he [TS]

00:57:53   did drive his collaborators hard he [TS]

00:57:55   worked very fast he was very a bit like [TS]

00:57:57   Madonna is now he like you went in like [TS]

00:58:00   okay this is what I want to do and this [TS]

00:58:02   is the kind of sound I'm after [TS]

00:58:04   let's do it and let's do it quickly when [TS]

00:58:06   you think about the length of his career [TS]

00:58:08   as we're talking about before it's a [TS]

00:58:09   long time the number of stories of him [TS]

00:58:12   being difficult is much much less than [TS]

00:58:14   the number of stories of certain other [TS]

00:58:17   actors and musicians being difficult in [TS]

00:58:19   say five or 10-year period so yeah so I [TS]

00:58:21   still think he's coming out looking [TS]

00:58:23   pretty good i mean who doesn't have [TS]

00:58:24   their bad days right well and also I [TS]

00:58:27   mean he knew what he wanted and he and [TS]

00:58:31   he insisted on giving it and i think [TS]

00:58:33   most people who are all who are artists [TS]

00:58:36   in their own right understand that and [TS]

00:58:39   they appreciate it when it was done you [TS]

00:58:42   know [TS]

00:58:42   yes there are going to be bad days there [TS]

00:58:44   there I've seen things about the young [TS]

00:58:47   American you uh young Americans sessions [TS]

00:58:50   where he was you know dealing with [TS]

00:58:53   backup singers and he wanted he wanted [TS]

00:58:56   things to come in in an unusual way and [TS]

00:59:00   it was it was not the way they were used [TS]

00:59:01   to singing but they did it and then when [TS]

00:59:05   they heard it they said yes he was right [TS]

00:59:07   that's what that's how it worked and [TS]

00:59:08   they're happy with it yeah i think [TS]

00:59:10   that's that's something that a lot of [TS]

00:59:12   artists go through and it is important [TS]

00:59:14   God knows I've been in that in similar [TS]

00:59:16   sort of situations myself working on [TS]

00:59:18   collaborations where ya you get is hard [TS]

00:59:21   but at the end of it you like okay and [TS]

00:59:23   actually that was worth it something [TS]

00:59:24   really good came out of [TS]

00:59:25   so yeah you I can sympathize with that [TS]

00:59:30   to an extent so they're on the same [TS]

00:59:32   scale as definite moment but yet he's [TS]

00:59:35   with artistic endeavors [TS]

00:59:38   sometimes you just have to sort of drive [TS]

00:59:41   through and go look trust me I know what [TS]

00:59:43   I'm doing and it'll be worth it at the [TS]

00:59:45   end and you need to have that trust in [TS]

00:59:48   whoever's guiding the ship whoever is [TS]

00:59:51   steering the boat you need to have the [TS]

00:59:53   the trust in them that they will get you [TS]

00:59:56   to the other side it'll be worth it at [TS]

00:59:58   the end and of course you know later on [TS]

00:59:58   the end and of course you know later on [TS]

01:00:00   in his career how could you not have [TS]

01:00:02   that kind of faith in bowie again apart [TS]

01:00:04   from a couple of stumbles like never let [TS]

01:00:06   me down [TS]

01:00:07   it's hard to think of anything he did [TS]

01:00:09   that wasn't at the very least [TS]

01:00:11   interesting even if you didn't [TS]

01:00:13   personally like it everything he did [TS]

01:00:15   more or less was interesting and you [TS]

01:00:19   look at it and go wow ok he's do you [TS]

01:00:22   know he's trying something here he's [TS]

01:00:23   clearly working towards something that [TS]

01:00:26   he's doing stuff that's worth talking [TS]

01:00:28   about it's not just dross yeah and it's [TS]

01:00:33   not the same thing [TS]

01:00:34   and as I said at the beginning he's not [TS]

01:00:37   an oldies act you know you're not seeing [TS]

01:00:39   a guy having a fit because you don't [TS]

01:00:42   play the guitar the way his original [TS]

01:00:46   guitarist played at 50 years ago [TS]

01:00:48   right right i mean Space Oddity 1969 it [TS]

01:00:52   still feels current still feels fresh [TS]

01:00:55   it's amazing isn't it that yeah yeah [TS]

01:00:57   talking about him not being an oldies [TS]

01:01:00   act actually after that period when he [TS]

01:01:03   was doing Tim machine and he also did [TS]

01:01:05   the San division tour and that was the [TS]

01:01:09   one way he famously build it as this is [TS]

01:01:12   the last time I will ever play all of [TS]

01:01:14   the classic songs now that wasn't [TS]

01:01:16   actually true he went to commemorate [TS]

01:01:19   yeah he never is but at the time i think [TS]

01:01:23   at the time it may have been he may have [TS]

01:01:26   been one of the first of those sort of [TS]

01:01:28   long-lived acts to do that to at least [TS]

01:01:31   say that and sort of at least appear to [TS]

01:01:34   have that commitment and demonstrate if [TS]

01:01:38   you like through that to say to people [TS]

01:01:40   i'm not an oldies act and we're just [TS]

01:01:42   going to get this out of the way and [TS]

01:01:43   then we're going to focus on whatever I [TS]

01:01:45   do next which yeah I don't think many [TS]

01:01:48   people who had been around as long as [TS]

01:01:51   Bowie and not the were many was doing [TS]

01:01:54   that at the time silly the rolling [TS]

01:01:55   stones wouldn't do that now I was [TS]

01:01:57   thinking about space already on a long [TS]

01:02:00   drive today that they took before the [TS]

01:02:02   podcast arm and [TS]

01:02:05   if you had never heard the song and you [TS]

01:02:09   just had it described to you you would [TS]

01:02:12   not believe that it's still popular 45 [TS]

01:02:17   years later I because because I'm the [TS]

01:02:21   surface just hearing it described you [TS]

01:02:24   would think that this is a novelty song [TS]

01:02:26   wouldn't you any that yeah [TS]

01:02:29   the title is a pun number one it's a pun [TS]

01:02:33   on a movie that was popular at the time [TS]

01:02:35   or the year before arm it's uh the movie [TS]

01:02:41   had stuff about astronauts in it and the [TS]

01:02:44   song is about astronauts and the and the [TS]

01:02:46   song is released on the eve of the [TS]

01:02:49   Apollo 11 mission and it's got sound [TS]

01:02:53   effects in the middle of the song [TS]

01:02:54   yeah everything about that song if you [TS]

01:02:58   hear it described and don't actually [TS]

01:02:59   know the song would think all that's [TS]

01:03:01   that's was written by Ray Stevens you [TS]

01:03:03   know and it's like the street or or [TS]

01:03:06   whatever its that's not a real sign of [TS]

01:03:09   oh yeah it might be popular because you [TS]

01:03:11   know it's funny or whatever but it [TS]

01:03:13   wouldn't be affecting to anybody you [TS]

01:03:16   would regard it as a classic rock song [TS]

01:03:18   the way we do now yeah no not not on the [TS]

01:03:21   surface and when you listen to the [TS]

01:03:23   lyrics I'm and again this goes back to [TS]

01:03:26   being a storyteller and I and I love [TS]

01:03:28   when things surprise me i love when [TS]

01:03:30   something so simple of you know as just [TS]

01:03:35   a conversation [TS]

01:03:36   who would think to write a song about a [TS]

01:03:38   conversation between these two people [TS]

01:03:40   right over these two situations and and [TS]

01:03:44   certainly if you're thinking hey I want [TS]

01:03:46   to write a hit that's not what you're [TS]

01:03:48   going to write right and you know nile [TS]

01:03:52   rodgers would have talked him down haha [TS]

01:03:55   the but it's just brilliant and i love [TS]

01:03:59   when a musician or a and whining [TS]

01:04:04   storyteller frankly can surprise me like [TS]

01:04:07   that can take something so out of left [TS]

01:04:09   field and and make me love it not just [TS]

01:04:12   you know that's a good story but it's a [TS]

01:04:15   real [TS]

01:04:16   you good story told really well yeah and [TS]

01:04:18   it's it is a to me it's a very seventies [TS]

01:04:22   song and has a very seventies mindset to [TS]

01:04:27   it despite coming out in 1969 arm and in [TS]

01:04:30   particular i'm thinking of the lyric of [TS]

01:04:34   the the papers want to know whose shirt [TS]

01:04:38   you wear [TS]

01:04:39   yeah but not because it's it's very wise [TS]

01:04:42   in its understanding of celebrity and [TS]

01:04:45   commercial commercialism but an end you [TS]

01:04:50   know you guys all talked about the [TS]

01:04:52   peanuts the Charlie Brown Christmas [TS]

01:04:55   about and so commercialism is not it's [TS]

01:04:57   not a big deal but it was it had a [TS]

01:05:00   seventies attitude toward it which was [TS]

01:05:03   basically yeah okay that's that's how it [TS]

01:05:07   is it wasn't railing against it it [TS]

01:05:10   wasn't it what that lyric always reminds [TS]

01:05:14   me of the party in satisfaction where [TS]

01:05:19   you know he can't be a man because he [TS]

01:05:20   doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me [TS]

01:05:22   it's it's automatically very similar [TS]

01:05:24   except Jagger is upset by it because [TS]

01:05:28   that's a very 60s thing all this [TS]

01:05:30   commercialism it's terrible now for [TS]

01:05:32   Bowie it's just it's water off a duck's [TS]

01:05:34   back [TS]

01:05:35   that's the way it's it's a matter of [TS]

01:05:36   fact and that's the seventies you have [TS]

01:05:39   to me and have you all read the flight [TS]

01:05:44   of the conchords piece this week [TS]

01:05:46   yes only remain clemont's right have you [TS]

01:05:49   all seen the bones episode of flight of [TS]

01:05:50   the conchords oh yes you may have seen [TS]

01:05:53   some clips right boys in space [TS]

01:05:56   well he he wrote this wonderful piece [TS]

01:05:58   this week about the creation of that [TS]

01:06:01   episode and that how it all started with [TS]

01:06:03   the song boys in space they used to do [TS]

01:06:05   in there stay Jack and I mean it's a [TS]

01:06:08   wonderful place and you should you [TS]

01:06:09   should go and read it anyway but the [TS]

01:06:12   thing the reason that came to mind is [TS]

01:06:14   because he spends the first part of it [TS]

01:06:16   talking about how deceptively complex [TS]

01:06:19   Bowie's music is like they were [TS]

01:06:22   deconstructing Bowie's music to try and [TS]

01:06:26   they would first though of course trying [TS]

01:06:28   to learn how to play but [TS]

01:06:29   songs when they were young who wasn't [TS]

01:06:31   one of my very first guitar song books [TS]

01:06:33   was a David Bowie songbook when I was [TS]

01:06:34   like 13 but they were not only that but [TS]

01:06:38   then when they came to do this parody [TS]

01:06:40   stroke pastiche they were trying to [TS]

01:06:43   build a bony song that you know didn't [TS]

01:06:47   exist but sounded like it could have [TS]

01:06:48   existed and could be a pony song and now [TS]

01:06:52   we're frustrated at how incredibly [TS]

01:06:54   difficult it was [TS]

01:06:57   haven't you know they admit basically [TS]

01:06:59   there by the end of it they were like [TS]

01:07:00   what we ended up with these actually [TS]

01:07:02   nothing at all like you nowhere near as [TS]

01:07:05   complex as a bony song but it'll do [TS]

01:07:07   it'll pass [TS]

01:07:09   what a tall order that's that's amazing [TS]

01:07:13   yeah I don't mean it is a great song and [TS]

01:07:15   it's a it's a great episode the whole [TS]

01:07:17   episode brim [TS]

01:07:18   it's a wonderful loving you know gentle [TS]

01:07:23   poke gentle ribbing of David Bowie's [TS]

01:07:26   persona and you know he's music and [TS]

01:07:28   stuff but yeah that article is really i [TS]

01:07:33   mean it's great for that but it's also a [TS]

01:07:34   sage treatment because it's also just a [TS]

01:07:36   lovely tribute to Bowie's again but his [TS]

01:07:39   legacy and his impact upon culture right [TS]

01:07:43   because it's not about spoofing [TS]

01:07:44   everything even though the song is very [TS]

01:07:47   funny in the episode is very funny but [TS]

01:07:49   it comes out of a genuine love it's not [TS]

01:07:52   it's not just hey i can i can do a fake [TS]

01:07:54   song by this guy right it's it's a real [TS]

01:07:58   a real labor of love for them [TS]

01:08:02   yeah it's like I always say the best [TS]

01:08:03   parody is done by people who actually [TS]

01:08:06   love the thing they are parodying you [TS]

01:08:09   know it's it's very difficult to hit the [TS]

01:08:13   right notes unless you do actually love [TS]

01:08:16   the thing that you are also making fun [TS]

01:08:17   of as someone who does a lot of parody i [TS]

01:08:20   can attest to that [TS]

01:08:21   hey enfant and all right I'm favorite [TS]

01:08:25   album Erica should i say my second [TS]

01:08:28   favorite albums and so pretty much [TS]

01:08:29   already covered that it would [TS]

01:08:31   that's true actually here so no so it's [TS]

01:08:34   okay so you said he was biggest artists [TS]

01:08:36   year and is that just because it's been [TS]

01:08:39   with you for so many years [TS]

01:08:41   nothing that he released later you know [TS]

01:08:43   hit you in the same way [TS]

01:08:44   nothing he released later did hit me in [TS]

01:08:46   the same way so I mean maybe a big part [TS]

01:08:49   of it is just the fact that but of when [TS]

01:08:51   I discovered it but like i said it's not [TS]

01:08:53   my favorite David Bowie alum it is my [TS]

01:08:54   favorite album period so i'm gonna kind [TS]

01:08:58   of rises above above everything else and [TS]

01:09:00   it has this magical place in part [TS]

01:09:02   because it was the first concept album [TS]

01:09:04   that I had ever been introduced to in [TS]

01:09:06   the first time I saw a story being told [TS]

01:09:08   through the songs and and all of that [TS]

01:09:10   stuff seemed seemed really mind [TS]

01:09:12   expanding and magical and nothing's ever [TS]

01:09:15   gonna hit you quite the same after you [TS]

01:09:17   experienced that and also I really [TS]

01:09:20   freaking love the songs I mean they're [TS]

01:09:22   just they're great songs I don't wanna I [TS]

01:09:24   don't want to downplay that but i would [TS]

01:09:27   say that I mean maybe it's just because [TS]

01:09:29   I was kind of stuck in that that zone of [TS]

01:09:31   that mode of David Bowie but my second [TS]

01:09:33   favorite of his albums is aladdin sane [TS]

01:09:35   which was the very very next one so not [TS]

01:09:38   not entirely different but i just-i I [TS]

01:09:42   felt like it if it was the closest thing [TS]

01:09:45   I could get to my favorite album without [TS]

01:09:46   being afraid I'm so i really liked it i [TS]

01:09:49   just i love the songs on that one and [TS]

01:09:52   but you know it's just thinking my [TS]

01:09:54   actual my favorite David Bowie songs the [TS]

01:09:56   22 favorite songs i think of all are [TS]

01:09:59   probably life on Mars and oh you pretty [TS]

01:10:02   things which are from hunky-dory which [TS]

01:10:04   of course was before [TS]

01:10:05   ziggy stardust so yeah that is that is [TS]

01:10:08   sort of my those three albums in a row [TS]

01:10:10   that's that's my sweet spot that's my [TS]

01:10:12   butter zone [TS]

01:10:13   David Bowie for what it's worth I [TS]

01:10:16   actually think that allowed insane has [TS]

01:10:18   overall a better selection of songs and [TS]

01:10:21   ziggy stardust you know I look this [TS]

01:10:24   isn't a couple of the songs on Ziggy [TS]

01:10:26   Stardust are fantastic but overall you [TS]

01:10:29   know panic in Detroit cracked actor [TS]

01:10:31   drive-in saturday allowed in the same [TS]

01:10:33   time genome c'mon you know these are [TS]

01:10:36   absolute classic songs so yeah I can't [TS]

01:10:40   say I blame you for choosing both of [TS]

01:10:43   those albums really and dr. drank what's [TS]

01:10:45   your favorite help [TS]

01:10:46   well i'm going to be boring here my [TS]

01:10:48   favorite my favorite album is Iggy I [TS]

01:10:50   mean it's [TS]

01:10:51   if you can you put that on and you [TS]

01:10:55   listen to it and every some of the songs [TS]

01:10:59   lead from one to another is is just a [TS]

01:11:02   fantastic album and i'm going to suggest [TS]

01:11:04   that you're wrong [TS]

01:11:06   the songs on there are every bit as good [TS]

01:11:08   as the song on on a lab insane i'd say [TS]

01:11:12   they're more consistent for me for sure [TS]

01:11:15   yes I mean of course I love things that [TS]

01:11:18   are on Aladdin Sane but i can't possibly [TS]

01:11:22   my favorite snippet of bowie lyric is [TS]

01:11:27   keep your electric eye on me i don't [TS]

01:11:31   know why but there's just something [TS]

01:11:33   about the you know his illusion of the [TS]

01:11:35   first e in an electric I don't know what [TS]

01:11:39   it is about that but that it's not just [TS]

01:11:41   the lyric it's it's the way the music is [TS]

01:11:43   going to that was saying yeah yeah it's [TS]

01:11:46   it's just it's spectacular and I [TS]

01:11:48   whenever I'm listening to to see stars [TS]

01:11:54   which of course i play at maximum volume [TS]

01:11:55   because that's what it said was yeah it [TS]

01:11:58   says on the album that I wait for that [TS]

01:12:01   and I am if I'm listening I'm doing [TS]

01:12:03   something else I stopped and then I and [TS]

01:12:07   I wait for that when when that song [TS]

01:12:09   comes on just like my mom with when bam [TS]

01:12:11   thank you ma'am [TS]

01:12:12   well and I don't blame her for that I [TS]

01:12:15   mean that's that's what you but you've [TS]

01:12:18   got the thing about about wham bam thank [TS]

01:12:20   you ma'am is you gotta build up to that [TS]

01:12:22   you can call you you can have you get [TS]

01:12:24   you get a chance to sort of put your [TS]

01:12:26   stuff put you know put things down and [TS]

01:12:28   so because you know it's really okay [TS]

01:12:30   here we go [TS]

01:12:31   i think the the one thing i will say [TS]

01:12:33   about biggest artists is it has the best [TS]

01:12:35   and sweet of any of those albums and [TS]

01:12:40   because the ends with biggest artists [TS]

01:12:41   suffragette city on rock and roll [TS]

01:12:43   suicide [TS]

01:12:44   Oh average is you know I don't think any [TS]

01:12:46   of his albums came close to finishing [TS]

01:12:48   that strong you know you have three [TS]

01:12:51   absolute classic songs one in a row [TS]

01:12:53   automatically brilliant and ending with [TS]

01:12:56   rocker also settlement you know just [TS]

01:12:58   fantastic [TS]

01:12:59   yeah leave them wanting more absolute [TS]

01:13:01   here [TS]

01:13:01   so David what's your favorite album well [TS]

01:13:03   I'm gonna kind of cheat and maybe it's [TS]

01:13:06   because I've been listening to this one [TS]

01:13:08   mostly this week but the 2002 collection [TS]

01:13:12   best of bowie what is it oh come on Jack [TS]

01:13:18   whatever mischief discovers it covers [TS]

01:13:19   all the ira's up to that point pretty [TS]

01:13:22   well and pretty concisely you know it's [TS]

01:13:26   good it's good in the car it's good [TS]

01:13:27   while I'm writing it's good while I'm [TS]

01:13:30   cooking and and ya go back and listen to [TS]

01:13:33   the others but if I just want a good [TS]

01:13:36   compact greatest hits collection that is [TS]

01:13:39   a pretty hard will not be say okay well [TS]

01:13:41   i would actually changes Bowie i would [TS]

01:13:44   prefer to to the tears but my favorite [TS]

01:13:49   album as i mentioned earlier actually is [TS]

01:13:50   and I'm bucking the trend here then so [TS]

01:13:53   my favorite arm is one of his later ones [TS]

01:13:54   which is one outside from 1993-94 i [TS]

01:13:59   think which is his sort of experimental [TS]

01:14:03   art slightly industrial album that he [TS]

01:14:06   made with brian eno it is one of the [TS]

01:14:09   strangest albums he ever made it was it [TS]

01:14:13   was called one outside because [TS]

01:14:14   maddeningly was supposed to be the start [TS]

01:14:16   of a suite of albums that would lead up [TS]

01:14:19   to the millennium was 95 that's alright [TS]

01:14:21   because they were going to be one album [TS]

01:14:23   a year to was going to be cool it was [TS]

01:14:25   going to be to contamination and they're [TS]

01:14:27   going to continue and believe the [TS]

01:14:28   plumbers to end with five inside in the [TS]

01:14:32   year 2000 or maybe really December 99 or [TS]

01:14:35   something [TS]

01:14:36   leading up to the millennium and of [TS]

01:14:39   course hehe actually never made any of [TS]

01:14:40   those he just made one so we have this [TS]

01:14:43   straight album with a one that nobody [TS]

01:14:45   knows why but i love that album because [TS]

01:14:48   it is so unusual and so modern so modern [TS]

01:14:53   even now you listen to it and there are [TS]

01:14:54   things on there that you like that is [TS]

01:14:56   what is he doing what is going on here [TS]

01:14:59   I mean like all of his music sounds [TS]

01:15:01   timeless but that album for me is I [TS]

01:15:03   don't know there's something about that [TS]

01:15:04   is so strange and artistic and a real [TS]

01:15:09   kind of i don't care if you like this [TS]

01:15:13   this is where my head is out right now [TS]

01:15:15   and feeling to the album that i love it [TS]

01:15:18   i I'm a sucker for that sort of attitude [TS]

01:15:20   and and i will say i have to listen to [TS]

01:15:23   it for to a few more times but I i'm [TS]

01:15:25   liking Blackstar mm well and that's the [TS]

01:15:29   was the other thing I was going to lead [TS]

01:15:30   into was black star is ah I mean it's [TS]

01:15:35   not his most innovative album it's [TS]

01:15:37   certainly not as strangest album but you [TS]

01:15:40   know it only has 17 tracks 8tracks know [TS]

01:15:43   some of them are quite long and the [TS]

01:15:45   whole album of course I need easy's gift [TS]

01:15:47   to us he knew he was dying as he made it [TS]

01:15:50   and the whole album is his statement [TS]

01:15:53   he's a last testament to the world and [TS]

01:15:57   his thoughts about his life and his [TS]

01:16:00   impending death and for that reason [TS]

01:16:02   alone it takes on a very very special [TS]

01:16:04   quality [TS]

01:16:05   yeah I haven't listened to it yet and I [TS]

01:16:08   don't think i will be able to for a [TS]

01:16:09   while I haven't actually listen to any [TS]

01:16:11   David Bowie or watch labyrinth or [TS]

01:16:12   anything since I heard the news because [TS]

01:16:14   it just it affected me too deeply I [TS]

01:16:17   think today after talking about it I'm i [TS]

01:16:19   will probably go listen to a live insane [TS]

01:16:21   because i think i'm i'm at the point [TS]

01:16:23   where that is what I can handle I don't [TS]

01:16:25   think i could go back and listen to see [TS]

01:16:27   stars because it is just too much apart [TS]

01:16:29   of my core and i'm having already degree [TS]

01:16:33   at that level yet but for me personally [TS]

01:16:35   I think think about the aladdin same [TS]

01:16:37   level and it's kind of like you know def [TS]

01:16:39   con levels eventually i will get the [TS]

01:16:41   black star point and i will be able to [TS]

01:16:43   listen to his last album but it's kind [TS]

01:16:45   of a while [TS]

01:16:46   the one thing i will say about black [TS]

01:16:47   stories that it's not more than I mean [TS]

01:16:49   there are some out there are soft [TS]

01:16:51   passages in it and it's very reflective [TS]

01:16:53   obviously but it's not morally you know [TS]

01:16:55   so don't be worried that it's all sort [TS]

01:16:58   of like sad songs about all how terrible [TS]

01:17:00   it is that we're all gonna die [TS]

01:17:02   it's not you know that's not what it's [TS]

01:17:03   about it all good to know [TS]

01:17:05   stringer you heard it yet i have not and [TS]

01:17:10   are I wanted to put some distance [TS]

01:17:12   between his death and am i listening to [TS]

01:17:15   it not so much because I thought it was [TS]

01:17:17   going I just I wanted to hear it without [TS]

01:17:21   the baggage [TS]

01:17:23   show of suffering of him as being get so [TS]

01:17:26   uh you know it's coming along [TS]

01:17:29   I and unlike erica i have been listening [TS]

01:17:32   to my old Bowie uh throughout the week [TS]

01:17:37   and revisiting old friends [TS]

01:17:40   I mean the only reason I listen to it at [TS]

01:17:42   all was because my 14 year olds like you [TS]

01:17:45   have to listen to this this is amazing [TS]

01:17:47   and and there was that that moment where [TS]

01:17:49   I realized my son has listened to a new [TS]

01:17:52   david bowie album before I did [TS]

01:17:55   that's so cool and and liked it [TS]

01:17:59   that is fantastic and I have a slightly [TS]

01:18:03   macabre but kind of tradition if you [TS]

01:18:07   like of when artists musicians that I [TS]

01:18:10   like pass away has been happening with [TS]

01:18:13   increasing frequency you know as I grow [TS]

01:18:15   older I listened to their music light on [TS]

01:18:18   for that day so I spare December 26 and [TS]

01:18:22   27 listening to nothing but Motorhead i [TS]

01:18:25   regularly on the anniversary of layne [TS]

01:18:27   staley is death every year i listen to [TS]

01:18:29   alice in chains all day and so I have [TS]

01:18:32   spent the last few days listening to em [TS]

01:18:35   pretty much and you know nothing but [TS]

01:18:36   body and remembering again just how [TS]

01:18:40   amazing he was you know for all we've [TS]

01:18:44   talked about his cultural impact we've [TS]

01:18:45   talked about his his enormous legacy and [TS]

01:18:48   sort of crossing boundaries but at the [TS]

01:18:51   heart of it all the center of it all if [TS]

01:18:53   you will is he was a great songwriter [TS]

01:18:57   and he made amazing music he was a [TS]

01:19:01   storyteller you guys they'd kept was [TS]

01:19:04   indeed [TS]

01:19:05   alright let's draw to a close there [TS]

01:19:07   thank you very much [TS]

01:19:08   Erica thank you for being here tonight [TS]

01:19:10   thank you so much for reading reading [TS]

01:19:12   this it was that i was i was a little i [TS]

01:19:14   was a little worried i'm not going to [TS]

01:19:15   like but i think this is a good a good [TS]

01:19:18   thing [TS]

01:19:18   good way to grieve well dr. drank thank [TS]

01:19:21   you very much for coming on the show all [TS]

01:19:23   my pleasure and thank you for stepping [TS]

01:19:24   into host other my pleasure and David [TS]

01:19:27   were thank you very much for being here [TS]

01:19:29   tonight [TS]

01:19:30   this is a good a good conversation good [TS]

01:19:32   i'm going to thank you you're all very [TS]

01:19:34   welcome i'll just quickly say to that [TS]

01:19:36   sinners if you do want more discussion [TS]

01:19:38   of bowie keep an eye out for this week's [TS]

01:19:40   unjustly maligned in which I talk to my [TS]

01:19:43   old friend and Brody mega fan Chris [TS]

01:19:45   Mitchell about Tim machine which is a [TS]

01:19:47   very maligned period of bones career but [TS]

01:19:50   you know i think is actually really good [TS]

01:19:52   and was absolutely vital to his [TS]

01:19:54   reinvigoration into his later sort of [TS]

01:19:56   period of work you'll find that ump dfm [TS]

01:20:00   published on monday the 18 in the [TS]

01:20:03   meantime thank you all very much for [TS]

01:20:05   listening to take care of yourselves and [TS]

01:20:08   in a week when all of a sudden the stars [TS]

01:20:11   look very different [TS]

01:20:13   goodbye [TS]

01:20:17   and [TS]

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