The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► I don't think I've ever told you this.

00:00:02 ◼   ► I am a big believer in the poodle.

00:00:04 ◼   ► I also believe though that we should keep it quiet.

00:00:08 ◼   ► But I feel like I'm almost out of this.

00:00:11 ◼   ► Jonas is heading into 11th grade.

00:00:13 ◼   ► I think we're hopefully getting out of the quarantine.

00:00:17 ◼   ► I feel like if I've gotten this far and we haven't gotten a dog,

00:00:21 ◼   ► I'm going to get out of this without a dog.

00:00:23 ◼   ► But in my back pocket,

00:00:24 ◼   ► I've had all along,

00:00:25 ◼   ► if we got to get a dog, we're getting a poodle.

00:00:28 ◼   ► Yeah. Because they're great.

00:00:30 ◼   ► He's good. He's 11,

00:00:34 ◼   ► but old dogs age faster.

00:00:36 ◼   ► So he's a little rickety at this point.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:00:40 ◼   ► But he's a good boy.

00:00:42 ◼   ► They're great dogs. They're smart.

00:00:44 ◼   ► They have great disposition.

00:00:46 ◼   ► They don't shed.

00:00:48 ◼   ► They don't shed.

00:00:50 ◼   ► They do not shed.

00:00:52 ◼   ► They don't. The only thing that happens is

00:00:55 ◼   ► Karen will cut his hair and then leave the hairline all over the place.

00:00:59 ◼   ► I assume under the assumption the Roomba will take care of it.

00:01:03 ◼   ► I'm not sure what's going on there.

00:01:06 ◼   ► We also have, Amy had a poodle growing up named Andy.

00:01:10 ◼   ► He was a great dog.

00:01:11 ◼   ► They live a long time.

00:01:13 ◼   ► Andy was unbelievable.

00:01:15 ◼   ► I honestly got it.

00:01:17 ◼   ► Was that a little one?

00:01:18 ◼   ► He was like a mid-size.

00:01:20 ◼   ► He wasn't like yours.

00:01:21 ◼   ► Yeah. I think we'll go mid-size next time.

00:01:23 ◼   ► Yeah. Andy was a black poodle who wasn't big like yours.

00:01:32 ◼   ► What's your dog's name?

00:01:33 ◼   ► Grant.

00:01:34 ◼   ► Grant.

00:01:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:36 ◼   ► Wasn't a big one, but he wasn't one of those mid toy poodles.

00:01:40 ◼   ► Well, that was the thing.

00:01:43 ◼   ► If we were going to get a poodle,

00:01:44 ◼   ► I want to get a big one because I didn't want

00:01:46 ◼   ► something that would shiver every time the door opened.

00:01:49 ◼   ► Andy was a good dog.

00:01:51 ◼   ► He was a very good dog.

00:01:52 ◼   ► But he lived a truly preposterous number of years.

00:01:55 ◼   ► I honestly don't think I'm exaggerating.

00:01:57 ◼   ► I think he might have been 18 when he died.

00:02:00 ◼   ► Wow.

00:02:00 ◼   ► But he lost his hearing towards the end and eventually lost it all.

00:02:07 ◼   ► But he was in good health.

00:02:08 ◼   ► For a dog that lived to be 18, going deaf is probably the least of his problems.

00:02:12 ◼   ► For sure.

00:02:13 ◼   ► Amy's mom's house had this vent.

00:02:17 ◼   ► It still has the vent, I guess.

00:02:18 ◼   ► I shouldn't say she still lives there.

00:02:19 ◼   ► But it has a vent in the floor, and in the winter, it was just his spot.

00:02:23 ◼   ► And the hot air would just come out.

00:02:27 ◼   ► And like many dogs, did not care for the mail carrier

00:02:31 ◼   ► and apparently would have dreams about the mail carrier.

00:02:34 ◼   ► So the real mail would come.

00:02:37 ◼   ► And for years and years, he wouldn't even hear the mail drop in through the slot.

00:02:41 ◼   ► But then he would seemingly have dreams and just jump out of his corner.

00:02:47 ◼   ► Go barking?

00:02:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:02:48 ◼   ► And it's kind of neat because an old dog is still a lot more limber and fast

00:02:54 ◼   ► than an old person.

00:02:55 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:02:56 ◼   ► A 17-year-old dog, when he had a dream about the mailman,

00:02:59 ◼   ► could still book it.

00:03:02 ◼   ► Well, Grant can't do that.

00:03:04 ◼   ► He's only 11, but big dogs have hip problems a lot of times,

00:03:08 ◼   ► and he's got hip problems.

00:03:09 ◼   ► He's got arthritis and stuff like that already.

00:03:11 ◼   ► So he's wearing down fast.

00:03:16 ◼   ► Yeah, but he does that sleep dream thing.

00:03:18 ◼   ► So you see his paws moving a lot when he's asleep.

00:03:23 ◼   ► And then one night, I was home, and I was up late working,

00:03:26 ◼   ► and I was sitting in the living room, and he was lying there next to me.

00:03:29 ◼   ► And we had a bunch of things go wrong in the house.

00:03:33 ◼   ► And I can't remember exactly what, but just like you buy a house,

00:03:36 ◼   ► it's a money sink.

00:03:38 ◼   ► So I was mad about all that stuff.

00:03:41 ◼   ► And all of a sudden, I hear this thump, thump, thump, thump, thump.

00:03:44 ◼   ► Oh, god, now what?

00:03:45 ◼   ► What is going on in this house?

00:03:47 ◼   ► What is broken down in this house?

00:03:48 ◼   ► And I'm looking around trying to figure out what this noise is,

00:03:49 ◼   ► and he's asleep, and he's having a happy dream in his wagon and his tail.

00:03:53 ◼   ► Thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thump.

00:03:56 ◼   ► We went out to eat last night.

00:03:58 ◼   ► Oh, really?

00:03:59 ◼   ► Oh, it was great.

00:04:00 ◼   ► It was actually great.

00:04:02 ◼   ► I say this.

00:04:03 ◼   ► This is the first time we've been out to eat since March.

00:04:06 ◼   ► I forget.

00:04:07 ◼   ► I used to know the date.

00:04:08 ◼   ► It was like March 10th, I think, or something like that.

00:04:14 ◼   ► But we went out to eat for the first time, and it was great.

00:04:17 ◼   ► Philly, the rules are still no indoor dining.

00:04:21 ◼   ► There's a rumor, possibly.

00:04:23 ◼   ► I guess the plan is some point mid-September,

00:04:25 ◼   ► they might reopen indoor dining with 25% capacity and a bunch of rules.

00:04:30 ◼   ► But in the meantime, outdoor dining only, which we've had for weeks.

00:04:35 ◼   ► And we, the groupers, have simply decided we're just not going to partake in.

00:04:41 ◼   ► And it's just a vague, like, eh, we're good.

00:04:46 ◼   ► Yeah, that's how I feel currently.

00:04:48 ◼   ► I mean, I might do outdoor dining, though.

00:04:50 ◼   ► I mean, that would be certainly something that I would consider.

00:04:52 ◼   ► I would not consider indoor dining at this point.

00:04:54 ◼   ► One of the factors for us isn't germophobia or overt fear of getting it.

00:05:00 ◼   ► It's that July and August in Philadelphia are very hot and humid.

00:05:06 ◼   ► I mean, really hot and humid.

00:05:08 ◼   ► And I don't like to be sweaty when I'm eating,

00:05:14 ◼   ► and I take the heat better than other members of the family.

00:05:16 ◼   ► So it's just, you know, I get it.

00:05:18 ◼   ► And it's great to see it.

00:05:19 ◼   ► We go out for walks all the time, and we go past all these restaurants.

00:05:22 ◼   ► And there's more and more of them opening up with lots of tables,

00:05:25 ◼   ► and it's just a delight to see.

00:05:27 ◼   ► And it's good to see that restaurants are not thriving,

00:05:31 ◼   ► but it seems like some of them have enough space and enough tables

00:05:34 ◼   ► that hopefully they're breaking even, at least.

00:05:37 ◼   ► And I'm so glad to see it, but we went out to eat last night.

00:05:40 ◼   ► And it was great.

00:05:42 ◼   ► It was very nice.

00:05:44 ◼   ► But boy, what a weird thing to go six months without eating

00:05:51 ◼   ► at any restaurant at all.

00:05:53 ◼   ► We do take out an awful lot.

00:05:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:58 ◼   ► I haven't been in a restaurant, other than to pick up food.

00:06:00 ◼   ► Right, same here.

00:06:01 ◼   ► Same exact thing here.

00:06:03 ◼   ► And for us, we see it, and it was like last Friday I picked up pizza.

00:06:07 ◼   ► And I was like, what in the world is going on with all the DoorDash people

00:06:15 ◼   ► at the pizza place where I've been before?

00:06:16 ◼   ► And I realized, because it was raining--

00:06:18 ◼   ► and it wasn't like pouring down rain, it was just a rainy night--

00:06:20 ◼   ► but because it was a rainy night, nobody could eat outside.

00:06:23 ◼   ► And so therefore, anybody whose plans were I don't want to cook

00:06:29 ◼   ► was getting takeout.

00:06:31 ◼   ► And so the difference between a nice Friday night

00:06:35 ◼   ► and a rainy Friday night in terms of how many people

00:06:38 ◼   ► are waiting at the pizza place for pickup were just kind of crazy.

00:06:46 ◼   ► But they did a great job.

00:06:48 ◼   ► I had to wait a little longer than you'd think,

00:06:50 ◼   ► but they were ready for me, paid in advance.

00:06:52 ◼   ► And therefore, it was like they knew what I had,

00:06:55 ◼   ► and it came right out of the oven into the box.

00:06:57 ◼   ► Here you go, John.

00:06:58 ◼   ► Here's your two pies.

00:06:58 ◼   ► And I was on my way with fresh hot--

00:07:00 ◼   ► I'd rather wait and have fresh hot pizza than get a cold pizza.

00:07:05 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:07:06 ◼   ► There's a couple places that do this, but one place

00:07:09 ◼   ► that's like a Thai fusion sort of place close to us that we go to.

00:07:13 ◼   ► If you pull up in the parking lot and call them,

00:07:15 ◼   ► they'll bring it right out to you so you don't even have to go in.

00:07:17 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:07:18 ◼   ► There's a couple places that do.

00:07:19 ◼   ► I mean, in Philly, where we are, it's so pedestrian-oriented.

00:07:24 ◼   ► But it is weird, too.

00:07:25 ◼   ► There's a lot of people who are recreationally driving,

00:07:30 ◼   ► cruising, clearly.

00:07:32 ◼   ► Well, I've had to start doing that because my car won't start if I don't.

00:07:35 ◼   ► I don't take recreational drives.

00:07:37 ◼   ► And then I go to the grocery store every two weeks.

00:07:39 ◼   ► And I have to jumpstart the car again.

00:07:42 ◼   ► You know this from the ones like we're on.

00:07:44 ◼   ► My car died and couldn't even be jumpstarted.

00:07:49 ◼   ► It died, died, died.

00:07:52 ◼   ► And it was an old-ish battery that I don't

00:07:55 ◼   ► think I would have had to replace if I'd been driving normally.

00:07:58 ◼   ► We don't even drive that much ordinarily, but we drive enough.

00:08:02 ◼   ► And I was like, this is ridiculous.

00:08:05 ◼   ► There's no way that it's been that long.

00:08:06 ◼   ► And then I was like, well, wait.

00:08:09 ◼   ► I definitely drove the car at Easter to pick up food on Easter Sunday.

00:08:13 ◼   ► And I was like, how long ago was Easter?

00:08:15 ◼   ► And I did the hey dingus.

00:08:16 ◼   ► Like, hey dingus, how long ago was Easter?

00:08:18 ◼   ► And it was like six weeks.

00:08:20 ◼   ► It was like over six weeks where I hadn't even started the car.

00:08:23 ◼   ► And I was like, oh, yeah.

00:08:25 ◼   ► I guess that wasn't two weeks ago.

00:08:29 ◼   ► Yeah, I did the same thing.

00:08:30 ◼   ► I feel sorry for the car, like the room, but the car

00:08:33 ◼   ► should make a sad noise because I haven't been paying attention to it.

00:08:35 ◼   ► Yeah, we have this great little startup thing here called 1-900 Ice Cream.

00:08:41 ◼   ► I actually don't even know if the phone number works,

00:08:44 ◼   ► but they started it-- somebody maybe old enough to remember 1-900 numbers,

00:08:49 ◼   ► which, again, in hindsight, wow, what a kooky idea that was.

00:08:54 ◼   ► You call a number and pay to listen to stuff.

00:09:01 ◼   ► But they don't have a permanent retail spot.

00:09:04 ◼   ► And so what they've been doing-- and I hope I'm getting the story right.

00:09:11 ◼   ► Amy tends to handle it.

00:09:12 ◼   ► But I think that they just make fresh batch, small batch ice creams week

00:09:17 ◼   ► to week.

00:09:18 ◼   ► And when they have ice cream ready to go, they announce it.

00:09:22 ◼   ► And then you have to quick jump in order.

00:09:25 ◼   ► And then you go pick it up.

00:09:26 ◼   ► But they know a bunch of people in the industry because they often--

00:09:30 ◼   ► I guess they make ice cream for restaurants, too.

00:09:34 ◼   ► And they've just sort of been bouncing between spots that--

00:09:37 ◼   ► restaurants that aren't open.

00:09:39 ◼   ► And so they could take the spot for a month.

00:09:42 ◼   ► And now they're out in a neighborhood four or five miles

00:09:45 ◼   ► from Center City, Philadelphia.

00:09:47 ◼   ► Not far, four or five miles.

00:09:48 ◼   ► And Amy's like, I don't know if you want to go out there.

00:09:51 ◼   ► I'm like, no, no, no.

00:09:52 ◼   ► Get all the ice cream now because I need a four or five mile drive.

00:09:57 ◼   ► Like, I don't even--

00:09:58 ◼   ► To charge the battery up.

00:09:59 ◼   ► I don't even care about this ice cream that's making me fat.

00:10:02 ◼   ► Even though it is delicious, it's absolutely delicious.

00:10:05 ◼   ► And they're a delightful small company.

00:10:07 ◼   ► And I'm happy to buy it.

00:10:08 ◼   ► I was like, I just need a reason to drive the car.

00:10:11 ◼   ► And this is where my life is, you know what I mean?

00:10:13 ◼   ► And it's like, there's a lot worse problems out there.

00:10:17 ◼   ► I drive down by the waterfront of Tacoma, which

00:10:20 ◼   ► is a really nice drive.

00:10:22 ◼   ► And also, you can see other people who are being unsafe.

00:10:27 ◼   ► And you can be really judgy about it.

00:10:30 ◼   ► OK, I get two kicks at the cat with that one.

00:10:35 ◼   ► All right, my thought is we got the holiday week coming up.

00:10:39 ◼   ► Have you guys-- I mean, nobody's--

00:10:41 ◼   ► I haven't gone anywhere.

00:10:42 ◼   ► Ben and I were talking about this on dithering for a bit.

00:10:45 ◼   ► It's like, somehow the whole summer's coming past.

00:10:47 ◼   ► And we didn't really take a vacation.

00:10:50 ◼   ► And it's so totally like my weirdo job--

00:10:54 ◼   ► put a parentheses S behind it--

00:10:56 ◼   ► of doing my site and podcasts.

00:10:59 ◼   ► It's like, I don't really need a vacation the way people--

00:11:02 ◼   ► and again, my old coal miner grandfather

00:11:05 ◼   ► who died when I was in first grade of black lung disease,

00:11:09 ◼   ► he probably could have used vacations for me.

00:11:11 ◼   ► But there is a sort of burnout.

00:11:13 ◼   ► All of a sudden, it's like, hey, I've

00:11:15 ◼   ► been working six days a week and writing nonstop for six months.

00:11:19 ◼   ► Maybe I should take it easy for a week.

00:11:23 ◼   ► It doesn't seem like a vacation, but maybe a slow week.

00:11:26 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:11:27 ◼   ► I mean, yeah, eventually you need to reset your mind a little bit, right?

00:11:32 ◼   ► I guess, I think.

00:11:33 ◼   ► It certainly feels like maybe--

00:11:36 ◼   ► but anyway, I thought we could do a lighthearted show and not

00:11:38 ◼   ► worry about stuff like--

00:11:40 ◼   ► Well, we bought a pool.

00:11:41 ◼   ► We bought an above-ground pool for the summer, which has been great.

00:11:48 ◼   ► And here is a terrible place to have a pool,

00:11:52 ◼   ► because there's basically two months out of the year

00:11:54 ◼   ► that you're going to be able to use it.

00:11:56 ◼   ► And we are quickly approaching.

00:11:58 ◼   ► And we got it in a little bit late, because it was hard.

00:12:01 ◼   ► I mean, I did all the work for myself, basically.

00:12:03 ◼   ► But you got to flatten the--

00:12:07 ◼   ► my yard was not flat.

00:12:09 ◼   ► And you got to flatten it out, because otherwise the thing will just

00:12:11 ◼   ► like tip over.

00:12:12 ◼   ► So now--

00:12:14 ◼   ► How do you do that?

00:12:15 ◼   ► --it's going to get a lot more work than I thought it was going to be.

00:12:17 ◼   ► How do you flatten a yard?

00:12:19 ◼   ► I mean, so you just have to start digging.

00:12:22 ◼   ► And you get a board, and you put a level on the board,

00:12:25 ◼   ► so you can get the distance of the whole board to see if it's level.

00:12:30 ◼   ► And you just keep going around until you get it close enough.

00:12:33 ◼   ► And it's supposed to be within like an inch the whole way around.

00:12:36 ◼   ► And I think I got about that close.

00:12:39 ◼   ► I'm still completely nervous that it's just

00:12:41 ◼   ► going to-- I'm going to wake up one day, and the side busted open,

00:12:44 ◼   ► and the whole thing spilled all over the yard.

00:12:46 ◼   ► Because it's a good-- so we got a good size, and we got like a 15 foot.

00:12:51 ◼   ► Because we wanted to be able to have other people over and be 15 feet apart

00:12:55 ◼   ► from each other, and have you be in the pool.

00:12:57 ◼   ► And we only have done that a couple of times, which was nice.

00:13:01 ◼   ► And it's a great thing for Hank, because Hank loves to swim.

00:13:04 ◼   ► He loves to be in the water.

00:13:05 ◼   ► So it was a good way for him to get out of the house.

00:13:09 ◼   ► Oh, that seems luxurious.

00:13:11 ◼   ► Yeah, so now we're face-- now I got to deal with it for the winter,

00:13:15 ◼   ► and I don't even know what to do.

00:13:17 ◼   ► Just move.

00:13:19 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that's probably the easier way.

00:13:22 ◼   ► Put the house over sale.

00:13:25 ◼   ► Includes pool.

00:13:27 ◼   ► No, like I said, we've dried the value down.

00:13:30 ◼   ► So the other funny thing about going out to eat yesterday

00:13:33 ◼   ► was everything closes earlier.

00:13:37 ◼   ► It's like places close at 8.

00:13:38 ◼   ► And I don't know about you, if a place says they close at 8,

00:13:42 ◼   ► I don't want to get a reservation in the last half hour.

00:13:46 ◼   ► It always feels like you're imposing.

00:13:48 ◼   ► And it's not like a selfish, oh, I think they might run out of stuff.

00:13:51 ◼   ► It just feels like--

00:13:53 ◼   ► You don't want to be the last person in there.

00:13:55 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't like to be the last person in a restaurant.

00:13:58 ◼   ► Last person in a bar, a little different.

00:14:02 ◼   ► That'll do.

00:14:03 ◼   ► Yeah, they'll just push you out.

00:14:04 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:14:05 ◼   ► There's no problem.

00:14:06 ◼   ► The last person in a restaurant, they don't want to be rude.

00:14:12 ◼   ► So we ate at 6.15.

00:14:14 ◼   ► And part of the novelty of the whole thing

00:14:17 ◼   ► was I don't think we've ever eaten in a restaurant at 6.15

00:14:22 ◼   ► other than a wedding or something.

00:14:27 ◼   ► But not like, hey, let's us the family go eat.

00:14:30 ◼   ► And we got out.

00:14:31 ◼   ► And it's like 7.30, quarter to 8.

00:14:34 ◼   ► And it's like, wait, why am I full?

00:14:37 ◼   ► What is going on here?

00:14:39 ◼   ► Am I retired?

00:14:40 ◼   ► In your schedule, that was probably like lunch, right?

00:14:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:14:44 ◼   ► But I felt like, maybe we should move to Florida, go to Boca.

00:14:48 ◼   ► Because then we'll be closing places out by eating at 6.15.

00:14:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:14:55 ◼   ► It's further north up here.

00:14:57 ◼   ► And we get a big difference between sunlight in the summer

00:15:01 ◼   ► and sunlight the rest of the year.

00:15:03 ◼   ► And it's already started.

00:15:06 ◼   ► So it'll be light until almost 10 o'clock some days during the summer.

00:15:12 ◼   ► So yeah, they can't start the fireworks at least until 10 o'clock on 4th of July.

00:15:17 ◼   ► Not that there were any this year.

00:15:20 ◼   ► So now we're getting towards September.

00:15:23 ◼   ► It's noticeably different.

00:15:26 ◼   ► So we went and walked the dogs last night at like 8.20.

00:15:29 ◼   ► And it was dark already.

00:15:31 ◼   ► And that was just like, man, this is really starting to feel like it's fall now.

00:15:37 ◼   ► And it always does when it gets dark.

00:15:40 ◼   ► But it feels like we didn't really have a summer.

00:15:42 ◼   ► I mean, the other thing I noticed at dinner last night at 6.15

00:15:45 ◼   ► is I was looking at Jonas.

00:15:46 ◼   ► And I was like, man, you really have not gotten out this summer.

00:15:52 ◼   ► He doesn't look unhealthy.

00:15:54 ◼   ► But he definitely looks like a kid who has spent an entire summer

00:15:58 ◼   ► indoors playing video games.

00:16:00 ◼   ► Yeah, and that is pretty much--

00:16:01 ◼   ► other than go out to the pool, Hank has been inside from almost all the summer.

00:16:06 ◼   ► Yeah, and he wore sunglasses throughout the meal.

00:16:09 ◼   ► And I thought, you're just being a jerk.

00:16:12 ◼   ► You're trying to look cool.

00:16:14 ◼   ► Is it his sunglasses or anything?

00:16:15 ◼   ► Or maybe have your eyes--

00:16:16 ◼   ► Yeah, right.

00:16:18 ◼   ► We're turning into vampires.

00:16:21 ◼   ► Yeah, have you done vampire-like damage to your eyes and your light sensitivity?

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00:19:08 ◼   ► All right, this is why I want to talk to you, John.

00:19:10 ◼   ► We got to go.

00:19:11 ◼   ► We got to do this.

00:19:12 ◼   ► I got to dig in.

00:19:13 ◼   ► I got to rant.

00:19:14 ◼   ► The main event.

00:19:17 ◼   ► So 18 months ago for Christmas, we got Jonas a gaming PC.

00:19:22 ◼   ► You and I have talked about this.

00:19:25 ◼   ► I feel like you and I--

00:19:28 ◼   ► Long suffering.

00:19:29 ◼   ► I have never--

00:19:30 ◼   ► Others and children with PCs.

00:19:33 ◼   ► All right.

00:19:35 ◼   ► And again, it's not like I'm one of those people who's

00:19:37 ◼   ► ever spelled Windows with D-O-Z-E at the end.

00:19:41 ◼   ► But I used it.

00:19:42 ◼   ► I had to work using Windows computers when I was in the '90s

00:19:48 ◼   ► and coming out of college.

00:19:50 ◼   ► I knew it.

00:19:50 ◼   ► I really found it tasteful.

00:19:52 ◼   ► I was like, this is so gross.

00:19:54 ◼   ► And so I've never bought one.

00:19:58 ◼   ► I got an Xbox, like the original one, circa 2000,

00:20:03 ◼   ► which let you play PC era games on the Xbox.

00:20:07 ◼   ► I like video games.

00:20:08 ◼   ► I don't really play them much anymore,

00:20:09 ◼   ► but I did when I was younger.

00:20:11 ◼   ► Never bought a PC.

00:20:12 ◼   ► Never owned one.

00:20:14 ◼   ► Told Jonas, look, all right, I get it.

00:20:17 ◼   ► You want one.

00:20:18 ◼   ► I'm not trying to talk you out of it,

00:20:20 ◼   ► but this is the biggest, nicest thing you're ever

00:20:24 ◼   ► going to get from me.

00:20:27 ◼   ► I don't know a lot about this.

00:20:30 ◼   ► You're going to have to take some responsibility here

00:20:34 ◼   ► on knowing how to manage this.

00:20:36 ◼   ► I mean, I'll certainly try to help you out.

00:20:38 ◼   ► It's not like I'm going to say-- I'm not going to touch it.

00:20:43 ◼   ► And it's been great.

00:20:44 ◼   ► That's what you got him.

00:20:47 ◼   ► We got something from MSI.

00:20:50 ◼   ► I forget.

00:20:50 ◼   ► Trident.

00:20:51 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:20:52 ◼   ► So it wasn't a build your own thing.

00:20:53 ◼   ► We got a pre-configured thing.

00:20:55 ◼   ► And I know that that's up there.

00:20:57 ◼   ► And I did a lot of research.

00:20:58 ◼   ► We did a lot of research, but I didn't want to build it.

00:21:02 ◼   ► And he didn't really want to build it.

00:21:04 ◼   ► It seemed like if we get one that just all comes put

00:21:07 ◼   ► together, then we know it all works together.

00:21:09 ◼   ► And we've both been very happy with it to date.

00:21:15 ◼   ► Maxed out on the graphics card, which is core of our problem.

00:21:24 ◼   ► Anyway, it was great for 16 months out of 18 months.

00:21:27 ◼   ► And then, I don't know.

00:21:29 ◼   ► But I guess it was about a month ago.

00:21:31 ◼   ► Who knows in corona time?

00:21:32 ◼   ► Four or five weeks ago, Jonas says.

00:21:37 ◼   ► I think maybe water got in my PC.

00:21:40 ◼   ► By itself?

00:21:44 ◼   ► Well, it's on the ground.

00:21:47 ◼   ► And there's been-- it's like a weird thing.

00:21:51 ◼   ► You think, well, that's not how leaky windows work, right?

00:21:54 ◼   ► Where one time there's rain, and he gets a little bit of water

00:21:58 ◼   ► in through a window.

00:21:59 ◼   ► And then it never happens again.

00:22:00 ◼   ► And so you can't really identify what the hell is going on.

00:22:02 ◼   ► But that's sort of what happened.

00:22:04 ◼   ► Where it's like, yeah, there's a weird rain.

00:22:07 ◼   ► This is a tower?

00:22:08 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a tower.

00:22:09 ◼   ► Yeah, OK.

00:22:10 ◼   ► OK.

00:22:11 ◼   ► It's on the ground.

00:22:13 ◼   ► It was-- most nights, puts it to sleep,

00:22:16 ◼   ► wakes up, and then starts playing games.

00:22:19 ◼   ► Woke up, and power was off.

00:22:21 ◼   ► And then when he turned it on, it was in a weird diagnostic mode,

00:22:24 ◼   ► which in hindsight, we realized was like the BIOS thing, which

00:22:28 ◼   ► doesn't look like the old DOS BIOS thing anymore.

00:22:31 ◼   ► It's like a manufacturer's thing that was graphical.

00:22:36 ◼   ► But he tried to fix it at that point.

00:22:38 ◼   ► So I didn't see that at that point.

00:22:40 ◼   ► And then it didn't work.

00:22:42 ◼   ► This is the weird thing.

00:22:43 ◼   ► It manifested itself as working, but it was only driving his display

00:22:49 ◼   ► at 1024 by 768, which was not right, and not even the right aspect ratio.

00:22:56 ◼   ► So everything was sort of stretched, and none of these games would launch.

00:23:02 ◼   ► Windows was working, and he could do things like browse the web

00:23:05 ◼   ► and whatever.

00:23:05 ◼   ► It just was the display thing that was broken.

00:23:08 ◼   ► And I was like, well, this doesn't seem like water damage at all.

00:23:11 ◼   ► What makes you think it's water damage?

00:23:13 ◼   ► And I'm thinking this whole thing is kaput.

00:23:17 ◼   ► And there's nothing by his window.

00:23:19 ◼   ► There's no signs, nothing on the floor.

00:23:21 ◼   ► I'm like, what?

00:23:21 ◼   ► And he's like, well, I don't know.

00:23:22 ◼   ► I just guessed that that's what would break it.

00:23:24 ◼   ► And I'm like, wait.

00:23:26 ◼   ► Wait, wait, wait.

00:23:27 ◼   ► I'm not mad.

00:23:28 ◼   ► I'm not going to yell.

00:23:29 ◼   ► You've taken good care.

00:23:31 ◼   ► Nothing came in through the window.

00:23:33 ◼   ► And I'm like, wait, it didn't even rain.

00:23:34 ◼   ► I was like, did you spill something on it?

00:23:36 ◼   ► Just tell me.

00:23:37 ◼   ► Did you somehow spill something even though it's off to the side?

00:23:39 ◼   ► I'm not going to yell at you.

00:23:41 ◼   ► We'll figure it out.

00:23:42 ◼   ► We'll fix it.

00:23:43 ◼   ► And he's like, not that I remember.

00:23:45 ◼   ► And I'm like, Jonas, what do you mean not that you remember?

00:23:51 ◼   ► If you are even suspicious, did you rest a can on it

00:23:55 ◼   ► and you're worried that the can was condensed with humidity

00:23:59 ◼   ► and dripped into it?

00:24:00 ◼   ► Just tell me.

00:24:01 ◼   ► If that's the sort of-- and you're like, does that count?

00:24:03 ◼   ► Are you trying to parse this legally?

00:24:07 ◼   ► And he's like, no.

00:24:08 ◼   ► And I was like, do you have any vague recollection

00:24:10 ◼   ► of any incident like that that would involve drops of water

00:24:13 ◼   ► getting into the top of this thing?

00:24:15 ◼   ► And he's like, no.

00:24:16 ◼   ► And I'm like, so it's not water damage.

00:24:18 ◼   ► Water damage shorts electrical things out.

00:24:21 ◼   ► They don't tend to still turn on and half work.

00:24:26 ◼   ► And so the whole water damage thing was a complete red herring.

00:24:30 ◼   ► It was just his--

00:24:31 ◼   ► this is the level of--

00:24:32 ◼   ► Just his idle speculation.

00:24:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:24:33 ◼   ► So we start digging around.

00:24:39 ◼   ► And can I just tell you, Windows is so much worse

00:24:43 ◼   ► than it ever was.

00:24:46 ◼   ► On the surface level, it's like I thought, well,

00:24:48 ◼   ► maybe it's gotten better.

00:24:50 ◼   ► People say it's gotten better.

00:24:51 ◼   ► It kind of looks better.

00:24:53 ◼   ► But it's so much worse than it ever was back in the day

00:24:58 ◼   ► when I had to use it.

00:24:59 ◼   ► It's horrible.

00:25:00 ◼   ► Windows is a goddamn criminal nightmare.

00:25:04 ◼   ► And in my mind, I have--

00:25:07 ◼   ► and for years, I own the Pixel phones.

00:25:10 ◼   ► And I used to have a Nexus.

00:25:11 ◼   ► I try to stay up to date with the Android thing.

00:25:14 ◼   ► And in my mind, I've always sort of thought, well,

00:25:16 ◼   ► Android is to iOS as Windows was to the Mac.

00:25:20 ◼   ► And there's things I see in Android.

00:25:21 ◼   ► I'm like, this is just so distasteful.

00:25:24 ◼   ► It's that Steve Jobs line about Bill Gates.

00:25:26 ◼   ► That his problem is he just has no taste.

00:25:29 ◼   ► I say, this is just--

00:25:30 ◼   ► but it's like, Android is so much better and more tastefully

00:25:35 ◼   ► designed than Windows--

00:25:39 ◼   ► to mobile devices than Windows is to PCs that it's like--

00:25:44 ◼   ► ah, I can't even.

00:25:45 ◼   ► I can't even, John.

00:25:46 ◼   ► I can't even.

00:25:48 ◼   ► Well, part of the thing that's really frustrating when

00:25:50 ◼   ► you start to diagnose a Windows problem

00:25:52 ◼   ► is that there's different places to look now, right?

00:25:57 ◼   ► Because it used to be you go to the control panels.

00:25:59 ◼   ► Like, everything was in the control panel section.

00:26:02 ◼   ► I mean, I may be using the wrong words.

00:26:03 ◼   ► No, that's it.

00:26:04 ◼   ► That's it.

00:26:04 ◼   ► I think it's control panels, right?

00:26:06 ◼   ► But now, there's like a system preferences interface, which

00:26:12 ◼   ► I believe came about--

00:26:14 ◼   ► actually, I'm pretty sure it came about

00:26:16 ◼   ► during Windows 8 when they were trying

00:26:17 ◼   ► to do touch-based screens so that you

00:26:20 ◼   ► have this thing that has much bigger touch targets so

00:26:23 ◼   ► that you can use it with a tablet, in a tablet form

00:26:26 ◼   ► factor.

00:26:27 ◼   ► But when you really want to do anything that's actually

00:26:30 ◼   ► going to help fix your device, you've

00:26:32 ◼   ► got to go into the control panels.

00:26:36 ◼   ► And that's still the same basic thing that it was under XP.

00:26:41 ◼   ► Yes.

00:26:42 ◼   ► Yes.

00:26:43 ◼   ► It's all still there.

00:26:45 ◼   ► But it's not the thing that-- but you have to find that,

00:26:47 ◼   ► right?

00:26:48 ◼   ► It's not a menu item.

00:26:50 ◼   ► The menu item thing is the system preferences,

00:26:53 ◼   ► which is like a bunch of basic settings.

00:26:56 ◼   ► But everything where you really configure

00:26:57 ◼   ► the guts of the machine is under the control panels.

00:27:01 ◼   ► And you have to search to find that every single time.

00:27:05 ◼   ► At least I do.

00:27:06 ◼   ► You have to go in.

00:27:08 ◼   ► I swear to God, I'll put this in the show notes.

00:27:10 ◼   ► But it's like you've got to go into the Run menu.

00:27:13 ◼   ► And it's just like launching a CD-ROM in 1996,

00:27:18 ◼   ► where you've got to type the exact right incantation.

00:27:21 ◼   ► It's like you've got to type like DEVMGMT something,

00:27:26 ◼   ► dev management.

00:27:27 ◼   ► And it's like, oh my God, we're back at the seven character

00:27:30 ◼   ► file names.

00:27:31 ◼   ► We're at that level of DOS rot.

00:27:34 ◼   ► In a sense, actually having my son, whom I love,

00:27:43 ◼   ► and who truly did and does take care of his PC,

00:27:49 ◼   ► and who really does enjoy it, and it's

00:27:52 ◼   ► a big part of his social life in normal times

00:27:54 ◼   ► and the entirety of his social life in corona times,

00:27:59 ◼   ► I really wanted to help fix it.

00:28:03 ◼   ► Whatever it takes.

00:28:04 ◼   ► If we need to spend our way out of it,

00:28:05 ◼   ► we'll spend our way out of it.

00:28:07 ◼   ► It's important.

00:28:10 ◼   ► This is such a pile of heap of garbage.

00:28:13 ◼   ► Again, in a sense, it is almost impressive the way

00:28:17 ◼   ► that their strategy of managing technical debt

00:28:20 ◼   ► is to keep architecting ways to haul all of it with them.

00:28:28 ◼   ► In like this Dante's Inferno--

00:28:31 ◼   ► We will leave no setting behind.

00:28:33 ◼   ► Right, like multiple layers of hell.

00:28:35 ◼   ► Like you think you're in hell just going

00:28:38 ◼   ► through their settings app, but then you

00:28:40 ◼   ► realize you've got to go back to the control panel.

00:28:43 ◼   ► And then eventually you're back in the registry,

00:28:46 ◼   ► and it's 1993 again.

00:28:52 ◼   ► I kind of knew this was the case from helping him set the PC up.

00:28:57 ◼   ► Even just setting it up when everything

00:28:59 ◼   ► was new and working properly and we

00:29:01 ◼   ► needed to do a few things like there

00:29:03 ◼   ► was a courtesy copy of a Norton or something

00:29:08 ◼   ► that was set to auto run.

00:29:09 ◼   ► And it's like, well, let's figure out

00:29:10 ◼   ► how to get rid of this because you don't need it.

00:29:12 ◼   ► And let's just get this Microsoft's own Windows

00:29:15 ◼   ► Defender set up.

00:29:16 ◼   ► That seems like what you want.

00:29:18 ◼   ► That's all you need.

00:29:20 ◼   ► And even just setting it up, you still can't get out.

00:29:24 ◼   ► You can't just sit on the modern surface layer.

00:29:26 ◼   ► But this is seriously like a technical debt layer.

00:29:28 ◼   ► This is like you're back at some point going back on a Mac,

00:29:33 ◼   ► and Susan Cares' control panel is still there.

00:29:36 ◼   ► You're looking at black and white Chicago 12 pixel font.

00:29:43 ◼   ► There used to be--

00:29:45 ◼   ► for a long time, there was something--

00:29:47 ◼   ► if you started in recovery, what was that?

00:29:50 ◼   ► Where it had the OS 9 style.

00:29:53 ◼   ► There was-- yeah, it was like the--

00:29:55 ◼   ► That got dragged forward for a long time, but that's not--

00:29:58 ◼   ► I don't think that exists anymore.

00:30:00 ◼   ► Or maybe I'm thinking of the tools.

00:30:04 ◼   ► You'd get that CD that had the--

00:30:07 ◼   ► Hardware diagnostic tool.

00:30:09 ◼   ► It was called the hardware diagnostic tool, and it did.

00:30:13 ◼   ► It wasn't Mac OS.

00:30:15 ◼   ► It was some weird--

00:30:16 ◼   ► It was something made to look like it.

00:30:18 ◼   ► Yeah, something made to look like it.

00:30:19 ◼   ► Whereas this actually is the old Windows XP running

00:30:23 ◼   ► under the hood with just a veneer on top, which is--

00:30:28 ◼   ► all the way back strategically, it's

00:30:29 ◼   ► exactly what Windows was at the beginning.

00:30:31 ◼   ► Windows was just a DOS program.

00:30:34 ◼   ► If you recall, you would just type--

00:30:36 ◼   ► you'd boot into DOS and type win to get the Windows.

00:30:40 ◼   ► And when people bought a computer that launched,

00:30:43 ◼   ► quote unquote, launched into Windows,

00:30:45 ◼   ► it was just an auto-exist bat file

00:30:47 ◼   ► that had the win command in it.

00:30:49 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:30:52 ◼   ► I ran a small office back then.

00:30:53 ◼   ► Yeah, we had Windows 3.1 for work groups, 3.1.1 or something

00:30:58 ◼   ► like that.

00:30:59 ◼   ► Yeah, that was a trip.

00:31:02 ◼   ► So anyway, what it is is we figured this out.

00:31:05 ◼   ► We're in the control panel.

00:31:07 ◼   ► We find that the Nvidia G-Force GTX, whatever,

00:31:12 ◼   ► 2080 is his video card.

00:31:15 ◼   ► And you go to General, and it would say--

00:31:18 ◼   ► here, I have a screenshot.

00:31:22 ◼   ► I'll read it.

00:31:23 ◼   ► Windows has stopped this device because it

00:31:25 ◼   ► has reported problems, parentheses, code 43,

00:31:30 ◼   ► end parentheses.

00:31:32 ◼   ► And it was another way to tell that the video was

00:31:37 ◼   ► being driven by something called the Windows default driver.

00:31:42 ◼   ► And it's some kind of generic thing built

00:31:44 ◼   ► into the low level of Windows.

00:31:45 ◼   ► So in other words, even though we never

00:31:48 ◼   ► unplugged his display and put it into a different port

00:31:52 ◼   ► on the back of his PC--

00:31:53 ◼   ► because there's a bunch of them, because there's so many--

00:31:58 ◼   ► because he put a video card in, and then the video card

00:32:00 ◼   ► has two DisplayPort ports and an HDMI port.

00:32:04 ◼   ► But then there's one on the motherboard

00:32:06 ◼   ► that has a plug in it, because it's like,

00:32:08 ◼   ► don't use this one, because that's just

00:32:10 ◼   ► the dumb one on the motherboard.

00:32:13 ◼   ► But we never unplugged anything.

00:32:14 ◼   ► So it was still plugged into the same thing

00:32:17 ◼   ► that used to be driving it as this advanced expensive Nvidia

00:32:20 ◼   ► G-Force gaming card.

00:32:21 ◼   ► But now it wasn't.

00:32:22 ◼   ► But it was that the driver Windows was using

00:32:25 ◼   ► was no longer the Nvidia driver.

00:32:27 ◼   ► It was this default driver.

00:32:29 ◼   ► And now, all right, this makes some level of sense.

00:32:31 ◼   ► This is why it's a 1024 by 768.

00:32:34 ◼   ► And none of your games--

00:32:36 ◼   ► it doesn't even come close to meeting

00:32:38 ◼   ► the minimum specs of any game other than maybe Minesweeper,

00:32:43 ◼   ► which is still there.

00:32:44 ◼   ► Oh, no, it's not still there.

00:32:46 ◼   ► They got rid of Minesweeper, which is criminal.

00:32:48 ◼   ► I think they make you pay for all the old games

00:32:50 ◼   ► that they used to do for free.

00:32:52 ◼   ► I forgot.

00:32:53 ◼   ► Jonas and I were playing Minesweeper.

00:32:55 ◼   ► But the best way to get it now is through Google.

00:32:57 ◼   ► You just go to Google and type Minesweeper

00:32:59 ◼   ► and they have a web-based version.

00:33:02 ◼   ► But I was teaching them how to play real games

00:33:03 ◼   ► like Minesweeper.

00:33:06 ◼   ► So OK, code 43.

00:33:08 ◼   ► This is something to go on.

00:33:10 ◼   ► This isn't helpful, but you go on it.

00:33:12 ◼   ► And you go-- and I'll put it in the show notes.

00:33:15 ◼   ► It's a really helpful article, truly is, at a site called--

00:33:20 ◼   ► what's this site called?

00:33:21 ◼   ► Crazy Web Studio.

00:33:23 ◼   ► How to Solve Code 43 Nvidia--

00:33:26 ◼   ► That's reassuring.

00:33:27 ◼   ► Nvidia GTX 10XX or RTX 20XX.

00:33:32 ◼   ► It's a whole bunch of video cards

00:33:33 ◼   ► that have that naming scheme GPU problem.

00:33:37 ◼   ► And there's ways to--

00:33:40 ◼   ► you can-- techniques to go through.

00:33:44 ◼   ► Completely uninstall all the Nvidia device drivers

00:33:47 ◼   ► and reinstall them from Nvidia.

00:33:49 ◼   ► Reboot.

00:33:51 ◼   ► Didn't work.

00:33:53 ◼   ► Start using some scripts that people have written

00:33:56 ◼   ► and it seemed--

00:33:58 ◼   ► the people swear by them and there's enough people.

00:34:01 ◼   ► And you can kind of say you're not just

00:34:03 ◼   ► running a truly random script.

00:34:05 ◼   ► But it's like a bat file.

00:34:06 ◼   ► And it deletes-- delete, deletes.

00:34:10 ◼   ► Super deletes the drivers.

00:34:13 ◼   ► Because I guess what they have to do is get into the registry.

00:34:16 ◼   ► And the registry is still like the Yoda's Dagobah

00:34:20 ◼   ► cave of the dark side.

00:34:24 ◼   ► Everything's sort of dreamlike in there.

00:34:28 ◼   ► Anyway, the script-- people swear by it that it works.

00:34:30 ◼   ► Then reinstall them and it might work.

00:34:33 ◼   ► That didn't solve it.

00:34:36 ◼   ► So I thought, well, this is-- and then you get there.

00:34:38 ◼   ► And here's the-- we did read that.

00:34:41 ◼   ► I read the whole article, but it says, important.

00:34:44 ◼   ► You also have to consider that the issue can

00:34:46 ◼   ► happen for hardware problems.

00:34:48 ◼   ► In some cases, the PCI card was not plugged in properly.

00:34:52 ◼   ► In other cases, the alignment cable of the graphics card

00:34:54 ◼   ► was not any more plugged properly.

00:34:57 ◼   ► This is slightly broken English, perhaps.

00:35:00 ◼   ► And in other cases, the graphic card was broken.

00:35:03 ◼   ► This doesn't make any sense to me,

00:35:07 ◼   ► that if the graphics card is broken,

00:35:09 ◼   ► that it's still working in some low mode.

00:35:13 ◼   ► Like, I was like--

00:35:14 ◼   ► Well, wouldn't it default back to whatever the graphics are

00:35:17 ◼   ► that are included on the Intel?

00:35:19 ◼   ► Well, but it's not plugged into it, right?

00:35:21 ◼   ► It's-- how would the display be getting this when it's

00:35:25 ◼   ► plugged into the display port?

00:35:28 ◼   ► Right?

00:35:29 ◼   ► It wasn't like, oh, we're not getting any picture out

00:35:31 ◼   ► of this video card.

00:35:32 ◼   ► Let's plug it into the Intel graphics port

00:35:35 ◼   ► on this motherboard and at least get a picture

00:35:38 ◼   ► and see if we can diagnose this.

00:35:40 ◼   ► We never unplugged anything.

00:35:43 ◼   ► I checked with Panzareno, who's a gamer.

00:35:45 ◼   ► And he said that that makes some level of sense,

00:35:49 ◼   ► that there's like-- that the hardware card could have

00:35:52 ◼   ► failed.

00:35:53 ◼   ► It's broken.

00:35:54 ◼   ► It's out of warranty by far.

00:35:56 ◼   ► It's a 12-month warranty, so it's out of warranty.

00:35:59 ◼   ► But even when it fails, it might have an emergency mode.

00:36:04 ◼   ► This makes some level of sense at the way PC components work.

00:36:07 ◼   ► And it's like, I guess that is-- so to the PC world's credit,

00:36:10 ◼   ► that is better than nothing, I guess.

00:36:14 ◼   ► But the error message is exactly--

00:36:16 ◼   ► It's more confusing, though.

00:36:17 ◼   ► The error message for drivers that need to be reinstalled

00:36:21 ◼   ► and a card that has a cataclysmic hardware failure

00:36:25 ◼   ► or a card that isn't properly seated in the PCI slot

00:36:31 ◼   ► are all the same.

00:36:33 ◼   ► Code 43.

00:36:35 ◼   ► That's it.

00:36:35 ◼   ► That's all you get.

00:36:37 ◼   ► So I had the idea then of, well, before we order a replacement

00:36:42 ◼   ► video card, which is expensive-- effectively,

00:36:45 ◼   ► a gaming PC is just a minimal--

00:36:48 ◼   ► It's all-- yeah, it all revolves around that.

00:36:50 ◼   ► It's a high-end video card with a computer wrapped around it,

00:36:54 ◼   ► right?

00:36:55 ◼   ► I mean, effectively.

00:36:57 ◼   ► So I was like, don't worry.

00:36:58 ◼   ► You know, it's not your fault. If this broke, it's truly--

00:37:02 ◼   ► this is what you get when you buy a cutting-edge video card.

00:37:07 ◼   ► No harm done.

00:37:08 ◼   ► You're not in any trouble.

00:37:10 ◼   ► This isn't coming out of your college fund.

00:37:13 ◼   ► Which wouldn't-- I've worried.

00:37:15 ◼   ► I've got to go to a state school now.

00:37:17 ◼   ► Yeah, which I worry.

00:37:17 ◼   ► You'd be like, ah, who cares?

00:37:21 ◼   ► I need this now.

00:37:23 ◼   ► But I thought, before we spend the money on this,

00:37:26 ◼   ► how can we prove that it's not a software problem?

00:37:29 ◼   ► And I thought, well, what about booting

00:37:31 ◼   ► from an external drive?

00:37:34 ◼   ► Well, that's easy on a Mac, right?

00:37:37 ◼   ► If you have a drive.

00:37:38 ◼   ► And we have plenty of drives in our house.

00:37:41 ◼   ► And Windows, that is not easy at all to just say,

00:37:45 ◼   ► I would like to install Windows on a USB drive

00:37:49 ◼   ► and then boot from that drive.

00:37:50 ◼   ► That was like a day.

00:37:53 ◼   ► But we did get it to work.

00:37:55 ◼   ► And the video was exactly the same, 1024, 768.

00:38:00 ◼   ► Fresh installation of Windows with a--

00:38:05 ◼   ► you could tell it was, right?

00:38:06 ◼   ► Wasn't like a clone of his original C drive.

00:38:10 ◼   ► Can you believe there's still C drives, by the way?

00:38:12 ◼   ► C and D drives?

00:38:13 ◼   ► Well, I mean, I know there aren't, but--

00:38:16 ◼   ► Anyway, we had a lot of father-son time.

00:38:20 ◼   ► So maybe this is all a good story.

00:38:22 ◼   ► But I was like, do you know where the A and B drives are?

00:38:25 ◼   ► And Jonas was like, no.

00:38:27 ◼   ► And I was like, have you ever wondered?

00:38:28 ◼   ► He said, yes.

00:38:30 ◼   ► And I said, those are reserved for floppy drives, which

00:38:36 ◼   ► no longer are supported by the operating system.

00:38:40 ◼   ► And you still need it to be the C drive.

00:38:42 ◼   ► Right.

00:38:43 ◼   ► And he's like, no.

00:38:44 ◼   ► And I'm like, yep.

00:38:45 ◼   ► So anyway, long story short, we replaced the video card.

00:38:54 ◼   ► We got it.

00:38:54 ◼   ► It took a while, because it's one of those things that

00:38:57 ◼   ► still has to ship from China.

00:38:58 ◼   ► And therefore-- and it's still the way

00:39:00 ◼   ► shipments are messed up.

00:39:01 ◼   ► And the quarantine world took like a week and a half

00:39:05 ◼   ► or something.

00:39:06 ◼   ► Got it.

00:39:06 ◼   ► We learned how to replace a video card in a modern PC,

00:39:10 ◼   ► which was-- and again, sort of is a father-son--

00:39:15 ◼   ► it's like LEGOs, except the card cost $1,000.

00:39:18 ◼   ► So let's be careful.

00:39:20 ◼   ► Right?

00:39:20 ◼   ► Just what you wanted.

00:39:26 ◼   ► Right.

00:39:27 ◼   ► And--

00:39:27 ◼   ► We have LEGOs, but much more expensive.

00:39:29 ◼   ► And lo and behold, once we got the replacement video card in,

00:39:33 ◼   ► hooked everything back up, closed it all up, rebooted it,

00:39:36 ◼   ► it was all back to normal.

00:39:37 ◼   ► So that was it.

00:39:39 ◼   ► And did you buy a different kind of card,

00:39:41 ◼   ► or did you buy exactly the same?

00:39:43 ◼   ► Ah, I'm so glad you asked.

00:39:46 ◼   ► So we bought the exact same card.

00:39:48 ◼   ► I called MSI.

00:39:50 ◼   ► Number one-- and this is weird.

00:39:52 ◼   ► So I tried their online help first,

00:39:55 ◼   ► because I, of course, don't like to talk to people on the phone.

00:40:00 ◼   ► And their online help was one of those things that--

00:40:03 ◼   ► and they tried to steer you to it,

00:40:05 ◼   ► I guess for obvious reasons.

00:40:07 ◼   ► It's cheaper.

00:40:08 ◼   ► And it's one of those things, those awful chat

00:40:11 ◼   ► things on the web.

00:40:13 ◼   ► And it's like-- and they don't answer for a while.

00:40:17 ◼   ► You know, they'll be like, how can I help you?

00:40:19 ◼   ► And you're like, I have an MSI, Trident, whatever, whatever.

00:40:22 ◼   ► And here's-- you know, and I've already written a bunch of this

00:40:25 ◼   ► so I can paste it in, you know, and be as helpful as possible.

00:40:29 ◼   ► And they're like, oh, let me see.

00:40:30 ◼   ► And then, of course, they're worried

00:40:32 ◼   ► that I want a refund or whatever,

00:40:33 ◼   ► even though it's out of warranty.

00:40:35 ◼   ► And I'm like, I realize it's out of warranty.

00:40:37 ◼   ► I just want to know what I should do.

00:40:39 ◼   ► And then they don't answer for a while.

00:40:41 ◼   ► And then it's like they come back, and they're like,

00:40:43 ◼   ► if I don't hear from you in 30 seconds,

00:40:45 ◼   ► I will consider this ticket closed.

00:40:46 ◼   ► And it's like, wait!

00:40:48 ◼   ► This is terrible.

00:40:49 ◼   ► And they were not helpful.

00:40:50 ◼   ► They had like a fact, and it's like, ah, I

00:40:52 ◼   ► found all this already.

00:40:53 ◼   ► I called them, and I talked to a nice young man,

00:40:57 ◼   ► possibly in Texas.

00:40:58 ◼   ► He sounded like, you know, sort of had a distinctive--

00:41:01 ◼   ► Yeah, we've had Lenovo's--

00:41:05 ◼   ► well, Hank has had a Lenovo and a Dell.

00:41:07 ◼   ► And I think both times, the people that I talked to

00:41:09 ◼   ► were in Texas.

00:41:09 ◼   ► Yeah, very helpful.

00:41:11 ◼   ► And again, once I made it clear that I realized

00:41:14 ◼   ► this is well out of the 12-month warranty

00:41:16 ◼   ► and I don't want warranty service,

00:41:18 ◼   ► I just want to know what's the best thing to do,

00:41:21 ◼   ► it was very helpful.

00:41:22 ◼   ► And we got to the conclusion of you really

00:41:24 ◼   ► should just buy a new card.

00:41:26 ◼   ► And the best card you could get is the same model.

00:41:29 ◼   ► So I bought it again.

00:41:30 ◼   ► And I said to Jonas, this is a--

00:41:32 ◼   ► but we shopped around, and even the pictures

00:41:34 ◼   ► looked a little different.

00:41:36 ◼   ► It's still the RTX something 2080.

00:41:40 ◼   ► But it's like a Rev 2.0.

00:41:43 ◼   ► So it's the same graphics card from Nvidia,

00:41:47 ◼   ► and it's from the PC Maker MSI.

00:41:49 ◼   ► So it's built-- and it was like a half inch bigger.

00:41:53 ◼   ► But you have to be careful, because he

00:41:55 ◼   ► doesn't have like this big giant.

00:41:56 ◼   ► Like I said earlier in the story,

00:41:58 ◼   ► he doesn't have a giant build your own case.

00:42:00 ◼   ► It was an all-in-one enclosure.

00:42:02 ◼   ► But the all-in-one enclosure is still

00:42:04 ◼   ► sort of bigger and more spacious and meant for component

00:42:08 ◼   ► swapping more than like an Apple product.

00:42:11 ◼   ► It's a totally different design, though.

00:42:15 ◼   ► It's everything about-- it might be the same graphic card,

00:42:18 ◼   ► but even like the green motherboard,

00:42:21 ◼   ► when I peek through it-- because it's

00:42:23 ◼   ► like got like all this other stuff glommed on top of it.

00:42:26 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:42:27 ◼   ► If you've ever looked at these things, you know, the fans--

00:42:30 ◼   ► well, it's all fans.

00:42:31 ◼   ► It's just a bunch of fans.

00:42:34 ◼   ► But the thing I noticed was that the heat sink

00:42:37 ◼   ► was completely different.

00:42:38 ◼   ► It's just a totally different heat sink style.

00:42:41 ◼   ► Doesn't look like more of a heat sink,

00:42:43 ◼   ► doesn't look like less of a heat sink,

00:42:45 ◼   ► but it's just totally different architecture

00:42:49 ◼   ► of where the physical coils go.

00:42:51 ◼   ► And I was like, probably what happened

00:42:53 ◼   ► is that the old one overheated at some point,

00:42:56 ◼   ► and it burned out, and that they've completely

00:42:59 ◼   ► redesigned it in the interim.

00:43:00 ◼   ► And then again, Pansarino said, oh, yeah.

00:43:02 ◼   ► And he goes, how old was it when you bought it?

00:43:04 ◼   ► And I was like, it was like two months old.

00:43:05 ◼   ► And he was like, yeah, you bought the dumb one.

00:43:07 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:43:10 ◼   ► Because I said to him, I was like, here's the worst part.

00:43:12 ◼   ► I was like, what if these things have an 18-month lifespan?

00:43:15 ◼   ► Right, you're just-- yeah, pay you $1,000 every 18 months.

00:43:18 ◼   ► Right, and I was like, next time we'll just, I guess,

00:43:20 ◼   ► get a new PC.

00:43:23 ◼   ► Maybe you'll be 18 at the time, and I'll just disown you.

00:43:26 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:43:29 ◼   ► Good luck.

00:43:31 ◼   ► Oh, that's my story.

00:43:33 ◼   ► Well, we're still in the midst of a similar--

00:43:37 ◼   ► so he has a Dell laptop now.

00:43:40 ◼   ► He's always wanted laptops, but he still likes playing games.

00:43:43 ◼   ► So I try and get a laptop with a decent graphics card.

00:43:46 ◼   ► And he had something-- he claims that-- he

00:43:49 ◼   ► thinks that it was a virus.

00:43:51 ◼   ► He doesn't have any idea what it was.

00:43:53 ◼   ► But the hard drive--

00:43:54 ◼   ► something happened on the hard drive.

00:43:56 ◼   ► And so I finally got around recently to opening it up

00:43:59 ◼   ► and pulling the hard drive out.

00:44:00 ◼   ► And it is wiped.

00:44:02 ◼   ► It is not even--

00:44:03 ◼   ► it's not just empty with Windows or empty

00:44:06 ◼   ► with any bootable thing.

00:44:07 ◼   ► It is like you plug it in, and it does not

00:44:09 ◼   ► recognize that the drive has been formatted at all.

00:44:12 ◼   ► And I have not been able--

00:44:14 ◼   ► I haven't tried yet.

00:44:15 ◼   ► I mean, it could be just damaged.

00:44:16 ◼   ► Was this the C drive?

00:44:18 ◼   ► It was the startup drive?

00:44:19 ◼   ► Yeah, which was a hybrid.

00:44:23 ◼   ► It's a terabyte hybrid drive.

00:44:25 ◼   ► And I think hybrids are not necessarily the best.

00:44:29 ◼   ► I think for durability, you're better off

00:44:33 ◼   ► either with a full SSD or a spinning drive.

00:44:37 ◼   ► So I think if I have to get a replacement,

00:44:39 ◼   ► I'll probably just get an SSD, get the largest SSD

00:44:41 ◼   ► I can afford.

00:44:42 ◼   ► Yeah, the way Jonas's works is his C drive

00:44:46 ◼   ► is a spinning hard disk.

00:44:47 ◼   ► But he has a built-in D drive that is an SSD.

00:44:51 ◼   ► And the games are all no to store their data on the D drive.

00:44:56 ◼   ► And it seems like it's both a more logical way

00:44:59 ◼   ► to put the thing you care about, the games on the SSD.

00:45:05 ◼   ► And it seems to keep your game data

00:45:07 ◼   ► safe from any Windows screwage, screwy-upyness.

00:45:11 ◼   ► You know, like you're like, you know,

00:45:14 ◼   ► we'll just kind of go over here.

00:45:15 ◼   ► You be over there.

00:45:20 ◼   ► We're going to be over here doing the fun stuff.

00:45:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:45:23 ◼   ► Which I guess for gaming games, because games so much run

00:45:26 ◼   ► in their own kind of environment, that makes sense.

00:45:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:45:30 ◼   ► Yeah, I think so.

00:45:32 ◼   ► Yeah, that's just sort of like, just give me

00:45:34 ◼   ► enough to boot to launch.

00:45:36 ◼   ► Yeah, and then it basically takes over the computer.

00:45:40 ◼   ► And the operating system does nothing at that point.

00:45:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:45:44 ◼   ► So anyway, Windows, worse than ever.

00:45:46 ◼   ► This would drive me nuts.

00:45:48 ◼   ► Like my whatever-- I don't want to call it OCD-ness,

00:45:53 ◼   ► but it's whatever weird part of my brain

00:45:55 ◼   ► that lets me have my physical desk be a mess,

00:45:58 ◼   ► but I know where everything is.

00:46:00 ◼   ► No, don't touch it.

00:46:01 ◼   ► That's where all the important legal papers are.

00:46:05 ◼   ► But I want my computer to be very neatly organized,

00:46:09 ◼   ► including my stuff.

00:46:11 ◼   ► But I also like the idea that the system itself

00:46:14 ◼   ► is self-explanatory.

00:46:16 ◼   ► That users' library preferences is your users' preferences.

00:46:22 ◼   ► And library, root level library preferences

00:46:27 ◼   ► is stuff that's system-wide for all users.

00:46:29 ◼   ► And it's so neat and organized.

00:46:31 ◼   ► And there's-- I just keep thinking about how,

00:46:33 ◼   ► like, I think it was Adam Anks.

00:46:35 ◼   ► Somebody recently had an article in the last year about, like,

00:46:39 ◼   ► hey, does anybody find the order of control panel or system

00:46:42 ◼   ► preference panels in the system prefs app to be random?

00:46:46 ◼   ► And somebody pointed out that you can go to the View menu

00:46:49 ◼   ► and organize alphabetically.

00:46:52 ◼   ► And you can just change system preferences on the Mac

00:46:55 ◼   ► to just order all of them alphabetically.

00:46:57 ◼   ► And people who can't remember where some of them are, like,

00:47:01 ◼   ► oh my god, you just saved my life.

00:47:04 ◼   ► Because the other order by categories

00:47:08 ◼   ► is, like, they don't tell you what the categories are.

00:47:11 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:47:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:13 ◼   ► It is?

00:47:13 ◼   ► Yeah, it's something-- yeah, someone at Apple

00:47:15 ◼   ► decided what the logical collection is.

00:47:17 ◼   ► Right.

00:47:17 ◼   ► Now it doesn't-- yeah, right.

00:47:18 ◼   ► It's difficult to say what that actually is.

00:47:21 ◼   ► And it's not just a Mac OS X. And I

00:47:24 ◼   ► say that very specifically, like, starting in 2001, 2002,

00:47:29 ◼   ► you know, the original Mac OS X. It's not like a carryover.

00:47:32 ◼   ► It's like, even with iOS, with the Settings app,

00:47:36 ◼   ► the organization of the Apple ones,

00:47:39 ◼   ► before you scroll down far enough

00:47:41 ◼   ► at the root level of Settings to get to all your third party

00:47:44 ◼   ► apps is sort of arbitrary.

00:47:46 ◼   ► You know, I think it was Adam Engs who was writing, like, I don't

00:47:48 ◼   ► understand this order at all.

00:47:50 ◼   ► Like, why is Safari down there where it is?

00:47:54 ◼   ► Why is the camera app in there with music?

00:47:57 ◼   ► So, like, the camera app is down there in a section.

00:47:59 ◼   ► It's the-- the first group is airplane mode Wi-Fi.

00:48:03 ◼   ► It's like, OK, this is all networking stuff.

00:48:05 ◼   ► And then there's notification sounds,

00:48:07 ◼   ► do not disturb, and screen time.

00:48:09 ◼   ► I don't know why they're together.

00:48:11 ◼   ► And general control center, display and brightness,

00:48:15 ◼   ► accessibility, wallpaper, Syrian search, Face ID and passcode.

00:48:21 ◼   ► It's starting to get confusing, right?

00:48:23 ◼   ► It's like, why isn't this together?

00:48:27 ◼   ► Then there's one that's just iTunes and App Store

00:48:29 ◼   ► and Wallet and Apple Pay.

00:48:30 ◼   ► And they kind of make sense together.

00:48:32 ◼   ► It's like, well, there's where your financials-- you know,

00:48:34 ◼   ► you put credit cards in those two.

00:48:36 ◼   ► And then you start getting weird.

00:48:38 ◼   ► Then there's a bunch of apps.

00:48:39 ◼   ► And then it's like everything else, right?

00:48:41 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:48:41 ◼   ► But then there's--

00:48:42 ◼   ► But everything else.

00:48:43 ◼   ► But yeah, but then two sections of everything else.

00:48:45 ◼   ► Right.

00:48:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:48:46 ◼   ► And then the one that's really weird

00:48:48 ◼   ► is that one underneath the next section, where it's music, TV,

00:48:54 ◼   ► books, podcasts--

00:48:55 ◼   ► I'm going out of order--

00:48:56 ◼   ► Game Center, where you're like, OK, this is all content stuff

00:48:59 ◼   ► from Apple.

00:49:00 ◼   ► But then Photos is in there.

00:49:02 ◼   ► Entertainment style.

00:49:03 ◼   ► Right, but then Photos is in there, and the camera--

00:49:07 ◼   ► and camera is in there.

00:49:08 ◼   ► And that camera one is kind of important.

00:49:11 ◼   ► If you care about using your phone as a camera,

00:49:13 ◼   ► because it's where you set what's your default video.

00:49:15 ◼   ► Do you want to shoot 4K?

00:49:16 ◼   ► You want to shoot 1080p?

00:49:18 ◼   ► Why in the world is something so hardware related with all--

00:49:21 ◼   ► it's all a bit weird.

00:49:22 ◼   ► You kind of remember where it is.

00:49:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:49:25 ◼   ► I mean, I figure most people use the search thing now.

00:49:27 ◼   ► Yeah, I think so, too.

00:49:28 ◼   ► And maybe that's why they've sort of gotten away with this,

00:49:31 ◼   ► and it's sort of grown.

00:49:32 ◼   ► And I think if you went back to the original 1.0 iPhone

00:49:36 ◼   ► and looked at the layout of the Settings app,

00:49:39 ◼   ► you'd be like, well, this makes complete sense.

00:49:42 ◼   ► And somehow something that started making complete sense

00:49:45 ◼   ► grew into something that seems a bit arbitrary.

00:49:48 ◼   ► All of those complaints, when you dig in and try

00:49:51 ◼   ► to do something-- system preference, control paneling,

00:49:54 ◼   ► settings, whatever you want to frigging call it--

00:49:56 ◼   ► on Windows, you are like, oh my god,

00:49:58 ◼   ► thank god for the complete sanity of the Apple

00:50:01 ◼   ► layout of these things.

00:50:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:50:07 ◼   ► I'll just reuse the analogy.

00:50:10 ◼   ► I really did start to feel like Luke down in the Dagobah

00:50:13 ◼   ► cave, where it's like the frame rate's off.

00:50:16 ◼   ► You're right.

00:50:17 ◼   ► All of a sudden, it's like, is that really Darth Vader?

00:50:19 ◼   ► Remember being a kid, and you'd be like, what is going on?

00:50:21 ◼   ► What is going on?

00:50:22 ◼   ► This makes no sense.

00:50:24 ◼   ► This is the greatest movie I've ever seen,

00:50:26 ◼   ► and I thought I was on top of it,

00:50:27 ◼   ► but Darth Vader is down here.

00:50:29 ◼   ► All of a sudden, and he's Luke?

00:50:31 ◼   ► What?

00:50:32 ◼   ► And why isn't Yoda helping him?

00:50:33 ◼   ► Why would Yoda let him go down there, and the frame rate's off?

00:50:36 ◼   ► And yeah.

00:50:37 ◼   ► And it's like, what the hell happened?

00:50:38 ◼   ► He cut his head off, and what?

00:50:40 ◼   ► It's Luke?

00:50:43 ◼   ► Why?

00:50:43 ◼   ► What the hell is going on?

00:50:44 ◼   ► That's what it feels like when you're in the XP's control

00:50:47 ◼   ► panel in Windows.

00:50:49 ◼   ► It's like, where am I?

00:50:50 ◼   ► Which is not even-- yeah.

00:50:52 ◼   ► I think under XP, it was ugly, but it made sense.

00:50:55 ◼   ► It made more sense anyway.

00:50:56 ◼   ► And now it has this extra layer of, hey, we're being friendly,

00:51:00 ◼   ► but you've also just obfuscated so many things

00:51:02 ◼   ► that I can't even understand what's going on anymore.

00:51:06 ◼   ► The other thing-- so the other PC story

00:51:08 ◼   ► that I have from the last year is that Karen's dad's--

00:51:14 ◼   ► he bought a new computer when he moved in with us,

00:51:16 ◼   ► because the one that he had was ancient and running,

00:51:18 ◼   ► Windows 8.

00:51:20 ◼   ► And so he wanted me to help him migrate his old stuff

00:51:24 ◼   ► to his new computer.

00:51:25 ◼   ► And they don't have-- as much as we complain about the Apple

00:51:29 ◼   ► migration tool, there is no--

00:51:32 ◼   ► with Windows 10, there is no migration tool.

00:51:34 ◼   ► There is something that you can move your settings,

00:51:37 ◼   ► but you can't move apps.

00:51:39 ◼   ► It won't move your apps for you.

00:51:41 ◼   ► And so you have to pay $40 to this company that--

00:51:45 ◼   ► they have this recommended tool that you use,

00:51:46 ◼   ► and it's like $40.

00:51:47 ◼   ► And I was like, oh, you've got to be kidding me.

00:51:50 ◼   ► So I paid the $40 to get this tool,

00:51:52 ◼   ► and then it moves everything.

00:51:53 ◼   ► And it worked fine.

00:51:55 ◼   ► It worked quite well.

00:51:56 ◼   ► But one of the things that he still had was RealPlayer.

00:52:00 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:52:02 ◼   ► My god.

00:52:04 ◼   ► And it moved-- it dutifully moved

00:52:05 ◼   ► RealPlayer, which is what it thought it should do.

00:52:08 ◼   ► But then I could not get rid of RealPlayer.

00:52:11 ◼   ► I thought you didn't need this anymore.

00:52:12 ◼   ► And it kept popping up trying to--

00:52:14 ◼   ► every time you reboot it would say,

00:52:15 ◼   ► RealPlayer would like to be your default.

00:52:17 ◼   ► Like, stop it.

00:52:18 ◼   ► OK, nobody uses RealPlayer anymore.

00:52:20 ◼   ► You need to go away.

00:52:21 ◼   ► And setting it as your default player for anything

00:52:24 ◼   ► has got to be the worst thing you could possibly do.

00:52:26 ◼   ► Completely insane.

00:52:27 ◼   ► Right.

00:52:27 ◼   ► And I could not get rid of it.

00:52:29 ◼   ► It's still on that machine.

00:52:31 ◼   ► And now it's-- I've inherited it since he passed away.

00:52:34 ◼   ► And so I have set it up to--

00:52:35 ◼   ► I made a Minecraft server for Hank on it.

00:52:38 ◼   ► But every time it boots, even in my user,

00:52:40 ◼   ► it still has RealPlayer popping up there saying, hi.

00:52:43 ◼   ► Remember me from 1998?

00:52:46 ◼   ► Oh.

00:52:47 ◼   ► That's just the most ridiculous thing possible.

00:52:54 ◼   ► The only thing-- I mean, what else?

00:52:55 ◼   ► It somehow is even sillier than if it was AOL.

00:52:58 ◼   ► I don't even know what could be sillier than RealPlayer.

00:53:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:02 ◼   ► And there are instructions for how to get rid of it.

00:53:05 ◼   ► Like, you have to--

00:53:07 ◼   ► some of them involve reinstalling it and then

00:53:10 ◼   ► deleting it.

00:53:11 ◼   ► And I've tried all of them, and it just simply will not go away.

00:53:15 ◼   ► There's probably a registry thing

00:53:16 ◼   ► that I have to do that I haven't figured out yet.

00:53:18 ◼   ► But maybe someday I'll get--

00:53:20 ◼   ► I also just think that I'm going to end up

00:53:21 ◼   ► wiping the whole machine starting all over again.

00:53:24 ◼   ► But which is not easy.

00:53:26 ◼   ► That's the thing about trying to create a boot disk,

00:53:29 ◼   ► an external USB drive to boot Windows, was I had to use--

00:53:33 ◼   ► seemingly had to use third party software.

00:53:38 ◼   ► And I forget why there was a free mode.

00:53:41 ◼   ► It was a very highly recommended utility.

00:53:44 ◼   ► It seemed like the way that Mac users talk about super duper,

00:53:47 ◼   ► people talk about this thing.

00:53:49 ◼   ► I forget what it is.

00:53:52 ◼   ► And it was like, I don't know, $15 or something.

00:53:56 ◼   ► And Jonas thought it was like a deal breaker.

00:53:59 ◼   ► And I'm like, Jonas, wait.

00:54:02 ◼   ► We're talking about replacing-- if this doesn't work,

00:54:04 ◼   ► we're talking about spending like $1,000 or close to $1,000

00:54:07 ◼   ► on a video card.

00:54:08 ◼   ► We can spend $15 on a software utility.

00:54:11 ◼   ► He's like, well, that seems like a lot.

00:54:13 ◼   ► And you buy $60 games every time you scratch $60 together.

00:54:17 ◼   ► But it's like-- and I'm reminded--

00:54:19 ◼   ► did you see the tweet from Cable Sasser, a friend of the show,

00:54:24 ◼   ► where his son-- forget how young his son is.

00:54:27 ◼   ► But just to say he's 10, 11-ish, maybe,

00:54:32 ◼   ► was really getting into art and wanted to get Procreate for iPad.

00:54:35 ◼   ► And he's like, Dad, everybody says this is the best, but it's $10.

00:54:41 ◼   ► Knowing that this was like a deal breaker.

00:54:43 ◼   ► And hey, it's like, you don't understand what your father does for a living.

00:54:49 ◼   ► It was like the--

00:54:50 ◼   ► I could just imagine with Cable, it was the sigh of all sighs.

00:54:54 ◼   ► We've lost.

00:54:54 ◼   ► We've lost.

00:54:55 ◼   ► We've actually lost this war.

00:54:57 ◼   ► We think we're still battling to keep indie utility and productivity

00:55:02 ◼   ► software alive.

00:55:03 ◼   ► And it's--

00:55:04 ◼   ► But it's over.

00:55:05 ◼   ► It's over.

00:55:06 ◼   ► And I said to John, you know how much this would have cost when I was your age,

00:55:10 ◼   ► this utility that would match--

00:55:11 ◼   ► Oh my god, yeah.

00:55:12 ◼   ► It was like the one--

00:55:16 ◼   ► on two reasons.

00:55:17 ◼   ► Some of the smartest people in all of the early era of computing

00:55:20 ◼   ► were involved in recovery tools.

00:55:23 ◼   ► Because A, you had to be really smart to make them work, right?

00:55:26 ◼   ► Because you're talking about saving people's data from drives.

00:55:29 ◼   ► Remember drives-- I said to Joe this too.

00:55:32 ◼   ► I was like, you have no idea how often drives went bad.

00:55:35 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:55:35 ◼   ► It doesn't even matter.

00:55:36 ◼   ► It wasn't even like an Apple thing versus PCs.

00:55:39 ◼   ► Drives would just go bad.

00:55:41 ◼   ► Even we in the Mac thought we were so lucky,

00:55:47 ◼   ► because at least we'd get a little sad Mac.

00:55:50 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:55:53 ◼   ► And it's like, you know--

00:55:55 ◼   ► Getting back to our, the droids should make noises.

00:55:57 ◼   ► Right.

00:55:58 ◼   ► Right.

00:56:00 ◼   ► But it's like, technically, you had to be very good to read bits

00:56:04 ◼   ► and off a drive that had gone corrupt in its--

00:56:07 ◼   ► whatever we used to call them, boot sectors or whatever they were.

00:56:12 ◼   ► But then also, you were very smart, because guess what people

00:56:15 ◼   ► are willing to pay a lot of money for?

00:56:18 ◼   ► They're willing to pay a lot of money to get their data back

00:56:21 ◼   ► when an emergency has crippled them from getting access

00:56:27 ◼   ► to the file they need right now.

00:56:28 ◼   ► It was good business and whatever.

00:56:34 ◼   ► I was like, this would not be $15 back then.

00:56:36 ◼   ► This would be like, we'd have to call the bank and authorize--

00:56:40 ◼   ► And replacement drives were crazy expensive too.

00:56:43 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:56:44 ◼   ► Crazy expensive.

00:56:45 ◼   ► You had to buy another one.

00:56:46 ◼   ► You were like, oh, god.

00:56:47 ◼   ► Oh, my god.

00:56:47 ◼   ► Got one.

00:56:48 ◼   ► Right.

00:56:48 ◼   ► I was like, drives were like the video cards of the day.

00:56:50 ◼   ► It was like, oh, this whole thing is just a computer built around a hard disk

00:56:57 ◼   ► just to keep me from having to use 40 floppy disks.

00:57:00 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:01 ◼   ► I had-- for my first computer was an SE with a high density-- not the 30,

00:57:06 ◼   ► but with the high density floppy drives.

00:57:08 ◼   ► It had two floppy drives instead of an internal drive and one floppy drive.

00:57:14 ◼   ► And then it had an external hard drive, which was great.

00:57:17 ◼   ► Because the guy--

00:57:18 ◼   ► I bought it from a guy because I was going to graduate school.

00:57:21 ◼   ► And the guy said, I feel like this is a good setup because you can--

00:57:24 ◼   ► if the drive goes down, you can run the OS on one of these floppies.

00:57:27 ◼   ► And then you can have another floppy in there with your data and programs

00:57:30 ◼   ► and stuff like that.

00:57:31 ◼   ► I was like, yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

00:57:33 ◼   ► And it never happened.

00:57:34 ◼   ► But it was still--

00:57:36 ◼   ► it was great.

00:57:36 ◼   ► I always thought that was a great setup.

00:57:39 ◼   ► Whatever we did to get this bootable USB drive of Windows took forever.

00:57:44 ◼   ► It took a lot longer than you'd think it would.

00:57:46 ◼   ► And I was like, but--

00:57:47 ◼   ► and Jonas was getting a bit impatient.

00:57:50 ◼   ► And I was like, well, I realize this is taking longer than I think it should.

00:57:55 ◼   ► But I remember-- and let me tell you about what

00:57:58 ◼   ► it was like in the old days--

00:57:59 ◼   ► I remember the first time I had a job where we got Windows NT.

00:58:04 ◼   ► And it came on floppies.

00:58:05 ◼   ► And it was like 40 floppies.

00:58:07 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:58:08 ◼   ► And he's like, come on.

00:58:09 ◼   ► I'm like, nope, 40 floppies.

00:58:11 ◼   ► And you would put it in.

00:58:12 ◼   ► And I guess in theory, somebody could have built a robot to do it.

00:58:16 ◼   ► But instead, what they would do is hire college kids.

00:58:20 ◼   ► And you had a job.

00:58:22 ◼   ► And I was like, so I got paid for an entire day of work.

00:58:24 ◼   ► I showed up at 9.

00:58:25 ◼   ► And today was the day I would install NT on this PC.

00:58:30 ◼   ► And I would just sit there and wait and wait.

00:58:32 ◼   ► And then the floppy-- it would tell me.

00:58:34 ◼   ► And I hit a button.

00:58:35 ◼   ► And the floppy would pick out.

00:58:36 ◼   ► And I'd put number 2 in there.

00:58:38 ◼   ► It would take a couple seconds for it to figure it out,

00:58:41 ◼   ► get its bearings in the floppy drive.

00:58:44 ◼   ► Then it would continue.

00:58:45 ◼   ► And this would go on.

00:58:46 ◼   ► And by the end of the day, maybe I was done.

00:58:48 ◼   ► Times change.

00:58:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:58:56 ◼   ► All right, let me tell you.

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00:59:00 ◼   ► Didn't set it up.

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01:01:38 ◼   ► One last time, backblaze.com/daringfireball.

01:01:43 ◼   ► Yeah, backing up back then was--

01:01:46 ◼   ► Impossible.

01:01:47 ◼   ► I don't remember what I did.

01:01:48 ◼   ► I think it just backed things up on floppies.

01:01:50 ◼   ► You would back up files that you needed to keep,

01:01:52 ◼   ► and that was about it.

01:01:53 ◼   ► Yeah, I still have all those floppies.

01:01:56 ◼   ► I guess if I--

01:01:58 ◼   ► Mine are all right behind me right now.

01:02:00 ◼   ► I always say, as some people get into golf,

01:02:03 ◼   ► it's like, I guess my retirement plan is I'll get into retrocomputing

01:02:07 ◼   ► and hope that my floppies still work, I guess.

01:02:10 ◼   ► Yeah, but anything truly important, like if I

01:02:15 ◼   ► had a game that was really good, I would just put it on floppy and label.

01:02:18 ◼   ► I was real-- I don't know if you did this.

01:02:21 ◼   ► I had a style writer.

01:02:25 ◼   ► Remember the style writer?

01:02:27 ◼   ► Yeah, oh, yeah.

01:02:27 ◼   ► An inkjet.

01:02:29 ◼   ► And I bought labels, like floppy disk labels.

01:02:33 ◼   ► And what's that?

01:02:36 ◼   ► That one company that has a weird monopoly on labels.

01:02:42 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

01:02:43 ◼   ► I can't think of the name.

01:02:44 ◼   ► Well, whatever they are, I bought their floppy disk labels.

01:02:46 ◼   ► And if I had a game I really liked, I would make a custom icon.

01:02:51 ◼   ► I'd go into ResEdit, get the icon.

01:02:53 ◼   ► If the style writer was black and white, so I'd get the--

01:02:56 ◼   ► even though I had a color LC, I'd go into ResEdit

01:02:59 ◼   ► and get the black and white icon, right?

01:03:01 ◼   ► Because all the games still had to have black and white icons

01:03:04 ◼   ► to some of the Macs for black and white.

01:03:05 ◼   ► Yeah, because if you were running it on an SE or something, yeah.

01:03:07 ◼   ► Right.

01:03:07 ◼   ► And I would make custom labels for the games

01:03:09 ◼   ► and make these as nice as I could make them labels,

01:03:13 ◼   ► and then have an archive of all my stuff that I just

01:03:16 ◼   ► downloaded from the internet.

01:03:17 ◼   ► That was my backup.

01:03:19 ◼   ► Nice.

01:03:20 ◼   ► What else did I have?

01:03:21 ◼   ► I had a tape drive at some point.

01:03:24 ◼   ► Oh, really?

01:03:25 ◼   ► Wow.

01:03:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:26 ◼   ► Tape drive.

01:03:26 ◼   ► We had one at work, but I never had one at home.

01:03:30 ◼   ► The zip drive was the first thing that I had.

01:03:33 ◼   ► I bought a tape drive.

01:03:34 ◼   ► And what was the name of the program?

01:03:36 ◼   ► It was the official-- the best backup program for professional--

01:03:41 ◼   ► because this was after college.

01:03:42 ◼   ► And I was doing-- most of my income was from freelance work.

01:03:46 ◼   ► So I felt like I should be professional and get a backup thing.

01:03:49 ◼   ► So I had an expensive backup drive.

01:03:51 ◼   ► And I had these tapes that were expensive, and it was backing it up.

01:03:55 ◼   ► And it's a typical Murphy's law.

01:03:57 ◼   ► I never once needed them and never once backed up or restored a single thing.

01:04:03 ◼   ► I spent, to my mind, a fortune.

01:04:06 ◼   ► It could have been better spent on fun stuff on a backup system

01:04:10 ◼   ► that I never once ever used, ever.

01:04:12 ◼   ► Not even one time, one file.

01:04:15 ◼   ► Oh, my god.

01:04:15 ◼   ► Whatever happened to that one file?

01:04:17 ◼   ► I bet I could get it from a tape.

01:04:18 ◼   ► Nope.

01:04:18 ◼   ► Never used it.

01:04:19 ◼   ► I have no idea if any of them ever worked, ever.

01:04:22 ◼   ► Because you couldn't boot from them.

01:04:24 ◼   ► That was the thing.

01:04:24 ◼   ► If it wasn't a bootable thing, you'd have to get the tape

01:04:27 ◼   ► and restore it to our-- it just seemed so hard to test,

01:04:30 ◼   ► so I never tested it, which, of course, is pretty dumb

01:04:33 ◼   ► that I spent a relative fortune of my personal net worth on a backup system.

01:04:37 ◼   ► It was like having a painting of your backup.

01:04:39 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

01:04:41 ◼   ► Anyway.

01:04:45 ◼   ► But that was-- tape was the cheap way to do backups, right?

01:04:50 ◼   ► Because you could back up a lot of data on tape for relatively--

01:04:54 ◼   ► It was an inexpensive medium.

01:04:56 ◼   ► Right.

01:04:57 ◼   ► So you could have large amounts of data, and it was no random access.

01:05:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:05:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:05:05 ◼   ► Right.

01:05:05 ◼   ► And yeah, that's right, because you had to back up the whole thing.

01:05:07 ◼   ► Right.

01:05:08 ◼   ► Well, and you--

01:05:09 ◼   ► We had to restore the whole thing in order to get one file.

01:05:12 ◼   ► Right, because unlike a hard drive, if you

01:05:13 ◼   ► wanted to get one file that was at the beginning of the tape

01:05:16 ◼   ► and the other at the end of the tape, it would take you 20 minutes.

01:05:22 ◼   ► Anyway, good times.

01:05:27 ◼   ► Yeah, most of that stuff is right here at my feet,

01:05:29 ◼   ► because I podcast from the basement.

01:05:30 ◼   ► And so-- and speaking of things that you had to plug in,

01:05:34 ◼   ► different cards in the back.

01:05:35 ◼   ► My Performa 6400 is right here with the--

01:05:39 ◼   ► and I got an extra card, like the video, the advanced video card for it.

01:05:43 ◼   ► I forget what the heck the company was that made it, but it was a card

01:05:48 ◼   ► that you put into the thing, and then you had to get a cable

01:05:51 ◼   ► to reroute the video through the card in the back.

01:05:55 ◼   ► So, yeah.

01:05:57 ◼   ► All right, moving on.

01:05:59 ◼   ► I just figured the rest of the show, we'd just talk a little lighthearted stuff,

01:06:03 ◼   ► maybe make some movie TV recommendations.

01:06:05 ◼   ► But the one thing related to that is there's a rumor a couple weeks ago

01:06:10 ◼   ► Mark Gurman had that Apple's supposedly thinking

01:06:13 ◼   ► about coming out with a bundle of their subscription content stuff, which

01:06:17 ◼   ► has-- yeah, it seems pretty obvious.

01:06:20 ◼   ► Ever since they started offering more than one monthly subscription thing,

01:06:23 ◼   ► people have wondered why don't they have a bundle where you can get them

01:06:27 ◼   ► together, with the idea that it's named Apple One,

01:06:31 ◼   ► or at least that's the working title, according to Gurman.

01:06:35 ◼   ► And I wrote about this during Fireball.

01:06:37 ◼   ► I suggested that maybe they should try to--

01:06:41 ◼   ► what Gurman described seemed way too complicated to me.

01:06:45 ◼   ► It just seemed like it's not much of a bundle, right?

01:06:48 ◼   ► Like, it just seemed like there'd be like one tier with music and TV,

01:06:53 ◼   ► and then you can pay more and get news and pay more and get this and pay--

01:06:58 ◼   ► and it's like-- and then ultimately, it was like--

01:07:02 ◼   ► so a family with family sharing could wind up

01:07:05 ◼   ► saving $5 on what would otherwise cost $45 a month to get all of it--

01:07:10 ◼   ► music and TV with sharing, with news, with Apple Arcade,

01:07:15 ◼   ► and extended more than the default iCloud storage.

01:07:20 ◼   ► And to me, my take was, well, I don't know--

01:07:22 ◼   ► and I feel like pricing and names are the sort of things that

01:07:26 ◼   ► are the last to leak, because they can be known by the least number of people.

01:07:30 ◼   ► They can keep that within--

01:07:31 ◼   ► I was going to say Schiller's group, but maybe it's

01:07:33 ◼   ► JAWS's group at this point.

01:07:36 ◼   ► But I suggested that they should really try

01:07:39 ◼   ► to be aggressive on the pricing on this, and maybe try to get it to like $20

01:07:44 ◼   ► bucks for a single or $15 bucks for a person and $20 bucks for family sharing,

01:07:51 ◼   ► with the idea that maybe they have to-- right now, it's $10 bucks for Apple

01:07:54 ◼   ► Music as an individual and $15 bucks a month for Apple Music for a family.

01:07:58 ◼   ► And because Apple doesn't own all that music or any of that music,

01:08:03 ◼   ► they have to license it.

01:08:04 ◼   ► It's not really up to Apple that they can't just--

01:08:07 ◼   ► unlike Apple Arcade, where they can say, look, Apple Arcade,

01:08:10 ◼   ► it's $5 bucks a month.

01:08:11 ◼   ► And if you have a family, everybody in your family can use it,

01:08:13 ◼   ► and there's no upsell for family sharing.

01:08:16 ◼   ► They can do that because they own the rights to all the Apple Arcade games.

01:08:19 ◼   ► They can't do that for music.

01:08:20 ◼   ► So let's just assume family sharing has to cost $5 bucks more.

01:08:24 ◼   ► Why not $15 and $20 and get more people on it?

01:08:29 ◼   ► And a lot of people wrote to me, and were like, wait,

01:08:31 ◼   ► aren't you the one who's always saying that Apple

01:08:33 ◼   ► charges a fortune for everything?

01:08:35 ◼   ► And here's me and you.

01:08:36 ◼   ► We always have our segment when you're on the talk show that's

01:08:38 ◼   ► spend Tim Cook's money, right?

01:08:40 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

01:08:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:08:44 ◼   ► I feel--

01:08:44 ◼   ► Yeah, well, I would love it if they--

01:08:46 ◼   ► I don't think they'll do it just because of that,

01:08:49 ◼   ► because they tend to charge more for everything.

01:08:52 ◼   ► Right.

01:08:52 ◼   ► And this seems-- yeah, I mean, like you said, this is aggressive.

01:08:56 ◼   ► I think it would be wonderful if they were aggressive.

01:08:58 ◼   ► Because I'm currently paying--

01:09:00 ◼   ► well, I'm not paying for TV+ yet, because I'm still on the free here.

01:09:04 ◼   ► But I probably will, because I think there's enough stuff on it

01:09:07 ◼   ► that I really, really like.

01:09:09 ◼   ► Maybe we'll get to some of that a little later.

01:09:11 ◼   ► But I got to pay for the music.

01:09:15 ◼   ► We're all using music.

01:09:17 ◼   ► I'm paying for arcade.

01:09:19 ◼   ► Hank is actually not playing arcade very much, if at all, frankly.

01:09:23 ◼   ► But I do occasionally, and I like seeing what's available.

01:09:27 ◼   ► And that's the one I keep thinking, well, am I

01:09:30 ◼   ► going to get rid of that or not?

01:09:31 ◼   ► But if it was a part of a bundle, I would probably totally

01:09:35 ◼   ► pay for the whole thing.

01:09:36 ◼   ► And $5 a month is--

01:09:40 ◼   ► I'm getting old here-- $60 a year.

01:09:42 ◼   ► I had to double check that.

01:09:45 ◼   ► It's not nothing.

01:09:46 ◼   ► But I feel like $5 a month for new games is roughly what I would waste.

01:09:51 ◼   ► And I don't play a lot of games.

01:09:52 ◼   ► Even me, as someone that doesn't play a lot of games,

01:09:55 ◼   ► I would still find a new game.

01:09:57 ◼   ► And it's $3 or $2.

01:10:00 ◼   ► I'll buy it.

01:10:02 ◼   ► I'm on that for $5 a month.

01:10:04 ◼   ► I'm interested enough, even though I don't spend a lot of time on Apple Arcade

01:10:08 ◼   ► games.

01:10:08 ◼   ► I like seeing it.

01:10:09 ◼   ► It seems fair.

01:10:12 ◼   ► My argument in favor of this, even knowing that Apple stuff tends

01:10:15 ◼   ► to be expensive and they don't discount it,

01:10:17 ◼   ► is that services are very different.

01:10:20 ◼   ► There's no or less marginal cost for increasing it.

01:10:26 ◼   ► When more people sign up for Apple Arcade,

01:10:28 ◼   ► Apple doesn't incur any extra costs other than the download

01:10:32 ◼   ► cost of the games to more people, which is negligible.

01:10:36 ◼   ► Come on.

01:10:38 ◼   ► As opposed to people who might think, oh my god, the new iPhone 12

01:10:43 ◼   ► is going to start at $1,100.

01:10:45 ◼   ► I wish they would only charge $800.

01:10:47 ◼   ► And it's like, well, welcome to Apple.

01:10:51 ◼   ► They're going to charge more.

01:10:54 ◼   ► My argument in a totally let's just try to make Apple the most money possible

01:11:01 ◼   ► cynical perspective is a lower priced bundle that seems like, well,

01:11:07 ◼   ► oh, man, at that price, I should just sign up,

01:11:10 ◼   ► would get so many more people to pay $15 or $20 a month to Apple monthly,

01:11:17 ◼   ► so many more people who don't spend anything monthly to Apple,

01:11:22 ◼   ► or even if they only have music, which I think for obvious reasons

01:11:26 ◼   ► is probably their most popular thing, just to get them to spend $5 more

01:11:31 ◼   ► than they're already spending for Apple Music and just give them

01:11:35 ◼   ► everything except-- and again, the news,

01:11:36 ◼   ► they can't just throw in free because news they don't own.

01:11:39 ◼   ► They have to pay all of the publishers who are in news plus.

01:11:43 ◼   ► And also, it also seems like the least popular thing

01:11:48 ◼   ► because it's also the one aspect of this that is not fun at all.

01:11:52 ◼   ► Right?

01:11:53 ◼   ► Certainly right now.

01:11:55 ◼   ► Right.

01:11:55 ◼   ► It's like, who would like to relax?

01:12:00 ◼   ► Who wants to pay $5 for this news?

01:12:04 ◼   ► No good, thanks.

01:12:06 ◼   ► Oh, I don't want to see anything about that story.

01:12:08 ◼   ► What else is in the news?

01:12:10 ◼   ► Oh.

01:12:11 ◼   ► Oh, the least-- the good news is a hurricane that wasn't as bad

01:12:21 ◼   ► as they thought it was going to be, but was still bad and caused a lot of--

01:12:27 ◼   ► that's the good news.

01:12:28 ◼   ► OK.

01:12:28 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm going to say I'm going to go back to arcade.

01:12:31 ◼   ► Maybe walk--

01:12:34 ◼   ► Go back to staring at the wall.

01:12:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:36 ◼   ► It's the new episode of Ted Lasso out.

01:12:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:39 ◼   ► How much do I have to pay to just stare at the wall?

01:12:42 ◼   ► Right.

01:12:42 ◼   ► But again, they can't just throw it in free from Apple's perspective

01:12:48 ◼   ► because they have to pay them.

01:12:49 ◼   ► And it seems like that's also something that's not as appealing to everybody.

01:12:53 ◼   ► And then the storage thing-- oh my god.

01:12:57 ◼   ► How many years now have we been talking that, hey,

01:13:01 ◼   ► the storage for Apple or for iCloud is kind of expensive.

01:13:06 ◼   ► The default free one is ridiculously small and doesn't help anybody back up anything.

01:13:13 ◼   ► When is this going-- this has to change eventually, right?

01:13:18 ◼   ► We're not going to be here 20 years from now doing episode 1,000 of the talk show

01:13:22 ◼   ► talking about the same 5 gigabyte plan for iCloud, right?

01:13:29 ◼   ► It has to change eventually, says me, the guy who's--

01:13:33 ◼   ► 50, right?

01:13:34 ◼   ► It's 50?

01:13:35 ◼   ► Or 50, whatever.

01:13:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:36 ◼   ► OK.

01:13:37 ◼   ► I just wanted to make-- because originally, I think maybe it was like five or something.

01:13:40 ◼   ► It was five for a while.

01:13:41 ◼   ► Right.

01:13:41 ◼   ► And you know, it's funny.

01:13:44 ◼   ► A couple of people wrote to me when I wrote about this.

01:13:46 ◼   ► And other people-- I'm not close.

01:13:48 ◼   ► Oh, wait.

01:13:49 ◼   ► Hang on a second.

01:13:50 ◼   ► 50 is $1 a month.

01:13:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:53 ◼   ► You still have to pay to get to 50.

01:13:54 ◼   ► I think the default, the free one is still like 10 gigabytes, I think.

01:13:58 ◼   ► That sounds right.

01:13:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:59 ◼   ► But it's not enough.

01:14:01 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:14:01 ◼   ► Or if they want to say, OK, for free, we're still going to be mean.

01:14:05 ◼   ► And we're not going to give you enough.

01:14:07 ◼   ► But just make it so if you pay anything, you have enough to back up your device and typical

01:14:12 ◼   ► photo albums.

01:14:12 ◼   ► The $1.99 plan really isn't enough for people who are shooting video.

01:14:17 ◼   ► And it just doesn't make sense that they're shipping these devices with truly amazing

01:14:23 ◼   ► 4K cameras, like kind of crazy.

01:14:25 ◼   ► Again, I still look at it.

01:14:27 ◼   ► I never look at things that I'm on because I can't stand looking or listening to myself.

01:14:31 ◼   ► But I still look at my talk show remote and think that we shot that with iPhones.

01:14:37 ◼   ► I can't believe it.

01:14:38 ◼   ► It looks so good.

01:14:39 ◼   ► It's 5 gigabytes is free.

01:14:42 ◼   ► 5 gigabytes.

01:14:43 ◼   ► So I guess what you said originally was correct.

01:14:44 ◼   ► I talked myself out of it, Josh.

01:14:46 ◼   ► Because it just seems like, oh, that can't be true.

01:14:48 ◼   ► That seems so ridiculous that I couldn't believe that that was real.

01:14:52 ◼   ► So maybe my hope, and again, I'm truly Charlie Brown kicking Lucy's football with iCloud

01:14:59 ◼   ► storage plans.

01:15:00 ◼   ► But my hope is that they've been holding on to these old ones as long as they have so

01:15:05 ◼   ► that when they unveil this bundle, they can say, and you're going from this terrible plan

01:15:13 ◼   ► that we don't even know what maniacs, all of us have been here forever.

01:15:18 ◼   ► Yeah, who did this?

01:15:21 ◼   ► Who did this?

01:15:22 ◼   ► Now you can pay this one low monthly fee and you get on a four still.

01:15:26 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:27 ◼   ► Get him up there.

01:15:28 ◼   ► But anyway, but the other on the flip side, I just sort of unrelated to my argument that

01:15:35 ◼   ► the bundle should be relatively low priced and compelling.

01:15:38 ◼   ► The two, the most you can give them is like, I forget what it costs per month.

01:15:42 ◼   ► What's the 50 gig or two terabyte plan?

01:15:44 ◼   ► 10 bucks a month, which isn't much per month, but that's the most you can get.

01:15:51 ◼   ► And it's, I've heard from a bunch of daring fireball readers who are either pressing up

01:15:55 ◼   ► against it or are over it and now have to manage what do they do with their videos?

01:16:02 ◼   ► You know, and if you, you know, I can't even imagine what we'd be at if all of my video

01:16:07 ◼   ► from my now 16 year old son, if I had 4k footage of him when he was a baby, my God, we'd be

01:16:15 ◼   ► over two terabytes easily.

01:16:18 ◼   ► Yeah, so and that, and just sort of ballpark estimating the age of the people emailing

01:16:23 ◼   ► me, it's people with younger kids, they have more home video footage.

01:16:26 ◼   ► And why not shoot 4k, right?

01:16:29 ◼   ► I mean, you want the, you know, don't be an idiot and shoot 1080 to save space.

01:16:34 ◼   ► You know, you have these memories of your precious family.

01:16:37 ◼   ► Don't you love your child?

01:16:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:16:39 ◼   ► Don't you realize how big TVs are going to be in 40 years?

01:16:41 ◼   ► Yeah, right.

01:16:42 ◼   ► So I don't know.

01:16:46 ◼   ► But anyway, that's my basic idea is that at a fundamental level, even if Apple wants to

01:16:51 ◼   ► be, you know, why are Apple's prices so high?

01:16:53 ◼   ► Why do they have 38% profit margins across the company?

01:16:56 ◼   ► Because they enjoy making money there.

01:16:59 ◼   ► That's, you know, part of what they do is they, you know, how do they sleep at night?

01:17:04 ◼   ► There's a line from Mad Men, you know, somebody asked Don Draper, how do you sleep at night?

01:17:08 ◼   ► And he says, on a bed of money.

01:17:13 ◼   ► Even if they're in it for the money, they want to make the most money they can on their

01:17:17 ◼   ► own branded services.

01:17:19 ◼   ► I think they would make more money by having a compelling bundle that's a lot lower than

01:17:27 ◼   ► the price of the a la carte.

01:17:29 ◼   ► Okay, I'll get music and TV plus and arcade.

01:17:34 ◼   ► And I guess I need more storage because I have to back up more than five gigabytes of

01:17:41 ◼   ► stuff.

01:17:43 ◼   ► Why not make it like a dislike?

01:17:45 ◼   ► No brainer.

01:17:46 ◼   ► Okay, you were spending close to $40 a month for 20 bucks a month.

01:17:50 ◼   ► You can get this.

01:17:51 ◼   ► But then yes, you'll make less money from people like me who were spending 40 bucks

01:17:56 ◼   ► a month or something like that.

01:17:57 ◼   ► But you'll make up so much more from all the people who were only spending 10 bucks a month

01:18:02 ◼   ► on music.

01:18:03 ◼   ► And, you know, yeah, the math has to work out that there's some sweet spot in there.

01:18:09 ◼   ► Maybe my dream prices are too low, but something where it's way less than the buck than the

01:18:14 ◼   ► a la carte combination five like the German story that says you might save five bucks

01:18:18 ◼   ► a month if you buy everything is like, what's the point?

01:18:22 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know.

01:18:25 ◼   ► What do you think?

01:18:25 ◼   ► Well, it seems to me like, yeah, there's obviously there's a spreadsheet someplace in Cupertino

01:18:31 ◼   ► that has all of this on it, right?

01:18:32 ◼   ► And my guess is that they figure out where that sweet spot is, and then they add $5.

01:18:37 ◼   ► I guess.

01:18:40 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:18:41 ◼   ► I really hope it's true.

01:18:43 ◼   ► Anyway, last thing on the show, I just wanted to throw out some recommendations for people

01:18:47 ◼   ► for maybe this holiday week and what to watch.

01:18:50 ◼   ► I want to recommend Ted Lasso, which is an Apple.

01:18:53 ◼   ► Have you been watching?

01:18:54 ◼   ► Oh, my God.

01:18:55 ◼   ► I've seen it like three times all the way through.

01:18:57 ◼   ► I so good.

01:18:59 ◼   ► And it's so good.

01:19:01 ◼   ► And it's not what I expected at all.

01:19:03 ◼   ► I thought it was going to be and I think maybe they played that up in the previews.

01:19:08 ◼   ► I thought it's the premise is this guy was an American football coach in Kansas or Missouri.

01:19:16 ◼   ► I forget where he's from.

01:19:17 ◼   ► Who somehow gets hired as the head of a Premier League soccer team in London.

01:19:23 ◼   ► Fish out of water.

01:19:25 ◼   ► I figured the guy was going to be like 30 Rock slapstick.

01:19:32 ◼   ► Truly dumb guy comedy.

01:19:34 ◼   ► You know, like Ernest goes to coach soccer level of comedy.

01:19:38 ◼   ► I like Jason Sudeikis.

01:19:39 ◼   ► I thought it would be like that.

01:19:40 ◼   ► It's not like that at all.

01:19:42 ◼   ► It is funny.

01:19:42 ◼   ► I enjoy it, but it is way less.

01:19:46 ◼   ► He's not a dumb guy.

01:19:48 ◼   ► He's he's really quite smart.

01:19:50 ◼   ► He's quite smart.

01:19:51 ◼   ► And as one of the most easy, like he's sort of like Yoda, right?

01:19:54 ◼   ► I mean, yeah, he's wise.

01:19:55 ◼   ► He's not smart about soccer at all.

01:19:58 ◼   ► It he forgets.

01:20:00 ◼   ► He forgets that they have ties.

01:20:02 ◼   ► He forgets all these things, but he's smart about people.

01:20:05 ◼   ► Right.

01:20:06 ◼   ► And it's an earnest show in a way.

01:20:09 ◼   ► It's not cynical.

01:20:11 ◼   ► It is.

01:20:12 ◼   ► It is a throwback on Twitter.

01:20:17 ◼   ► I was talking about how much it is a little thread and friend of the show, Adam.

01:20:21 ◼   ► Lisa Gore just I think he described it as I he just likes it because it everybody in

01:20:25 ◼   ► the show is nice to each other.

01:20:27 ◼   ► And that's not quite true.

01:20:28 ◼   ► There's you know, yeah, no.

01:20:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:20:30 ◼   ► But there's a heart of the heart of the show is nice.

01:20:32 ◼   ► And in people who are nice to each other, really, you know, are the ones that you.

01:20:36 ◼   ► I associate with and root for.

01:20:39 ◼   ► I love it.

01:20:41 ◼   ► Amy loves it.

01:20:42 ◼   ► I've I have watched.

01:20:43 ◼   ► There's an episode that like the second to last episode, Amy fell asleep very early and

01:20:48 ◼   ► I couldn't stop.

01:20:49 ◼   ► And I usually am very good about like stopping anything.

01:20:52 ◼   ► And I was so into it.

01:20:52 ◼   ► I've watched the whole thing and then we just watched it again last night.

01:20:55 ◼   ► And I've just I've watched an episode.

01:20:57 ◼   ► I haven't watched an episode of a show that I've watched before in years.

01:21:01 ◼   ► I mean, literally since Mad Men.

01:21:02 ◼   ► I loved it again.

01:21:04 ◼   ► It was great.

01:21:04 ◼   ► It was the one that the episode where they had the charity thing for underprivileged

01:21:08 ◼   ► children.

01:21:09 ◼   ► And it was a nice surprise.

01:21:12 ◼   ► Amy was like, Wait, was this the one I fell asleep in?

01:21:14 ◼   ► I was like, Yeah.

01:21:14 ◼   ► And she was like, So we have another one.

01:21:15 ◼   ► I was like, Yeah.

01:21:16 ◼   ► And she was like, Yeah.

01:21:17 ◼   ► And it was like the happiest thing that's happened to us in months.

01:21:20 ◼   ► The next one's even better.

01:21:22 ◼   ► Well, we watched it last night, but she didn't know.

01:21:26 ◼   ► She thought we were catching up.

01:21:27 ◼   ► And I was like, No, we have 30 more minutes.

01:21:29 ◼   ► And it was great.

01:21:31 ◼   ► And it's such a great cast.

01:21:32 ◼   ► It's like a classic sitcom, you know, like Cheers where there's like, you know, I don't

01:21:38 ◼   ► know, a dozen characters and you like them all.

01:21:40 ◼   ► And they're all even the ones who aren't in a lot are like, I like them.

01:21:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:21:46 ◼   ► And some of them are working on the writing.

01:21:48 ◼   ► At least I know the guy who plays Roy Kent wrote one of the more recent episodes.

01:21:52 ◼   ► Oh, really?

01:21:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:21:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:21:55 ◼   ► I was looking it up online.

01:21:56 ◼   ► I really enjoy that show.

01:21:59 ◼   ► And I would just say, just forget about the trailer.

01:22:01 ◼   ► Just go watch it if you have Apple TV.

01:22:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:22:04 ◼   ► Because I because I went back.

01:22:05 ◼   ► I don't even remember seeing the trailer per se, but I went when they announced that I

01:22:09 ◼   ► went back and looked at some of the because he's it started out as an ad for NBC's coverage

01:22:15 ◼   ► of Yeah, yeah, football, like British football, right?

01:22:20 ◼   ► Beth is, you know, like, goofy American, and it was much more I mean, not slapstick, but

01:22:26 ◼   ► much more silly.

01:22:27 ◼   ► And, and, you know, he was much more of a Homer Simpson type.

01:22:30 ◼   ► I guess.

01:22:30 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, that's a good way to put it.

01:22:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:22:33 ◼   ► Like Homer Simpson, caught you coaching a sport he doesn't know the rules to.

01:22:36 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

01:22:37 ◼   ► And the premise is just so the basic premise is so ridiculous.

01:22:42 ◼   ► It's, you know, like, imagine if like, it's like saying, like, imagine if the United

01:22:47 ◼   ► States put a reality show game show host narcissist sociopath and elected him president of the

01:22:53 ◼   ► United States.

01:22:54 ◼   ► You know, a guy who doesn't know soccer coaching in the Premier League in England, it doesn't

01:22:59 ◼   ► be you know, couldn't happen.

01:23:00 ◼   ► But anyway, I really recommend it.

01:23:05 ◼   ► And again, I am a cold, you know, me, john, I'm cold hearted.

01:23:09 ◼   ► I like I like my comedy mean, I like I like my cynicism.

01:23:15 ◼   ► This show is like a feel good show.

01:23:18 ◼   ► And I love it.

01:23:19 ◼   ► Even I need it.

01:23:20 ◼   ► I need this show.

01:23:20 ◼   ► And I know it wasn't planned for when it came out.

01:23:23 ◼   ► But it is it is truly the perfect.

01:23:26 ◼   ► It's the it's perfect for right now.

01:23:27 ◼   ► It's exactly it is just it's so so it really decompresses you watching the show.

01:23:34 ◼   ► Yeah, it is the proverbial cold glass of ice water and hell.

01:23:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:23:38 ◼   ► So Ted lasso is my recommendation.

01:23:41 ◼   ► And it's been renewed for another season.

01:23:43 ◼   ► Oh, that's fantastic.

01:23:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:23:45 ◼   ► I feel like I feel like this could be the sort of show that really I'm not gonna say

01:23:50 ◼   ► it's gonna single handedly turn Apple TV plus into a hit.

01:23:53 ◼   ► But it seems like the type of show that's gonna have word of mouth.

01:23:56 ◼   ► Like people will say,

01:23:57 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, I noticed that I felt for a while I was watching I got on it early.

01:24:01 ◼   ► And I felt like I was talking about it.

01:24:03 ◼   ► And nobody else was and then all of a sudden, like this, this floodgate Well, not all of

01:24:06 ◼   ► a sudden, slowly, this floodgate started opening.

01:24:08 ◼   ► And I keep seeing more and more people talking about it.

01:24:11 ◼   ► And everybody who talks about it is just like, wow, this is so good.

01:24:15 ◼   ► And I wasn't expecting it.

01:24:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:24:17 ◼   ► And and, you know, and there is something to be said for the sitcom format 30 minutes,

01:24:23 ◼   ► here's a story.

01:24:24 ◼   ► But it's modern.

01:24:25 ◼   ► It's not a it's a throwback sentimentality wise in a way that people are good to each

01:24:30 ◼   ► other.

01:24:31 ◼   ► But like, it unlike a classic sitcom, which was always meant purposefully so that the

01:24:38 ◼   ► episodes can be seen in any order, written for syndication, you know, so that, you know,

01:24:43 ◼   ► like when you watch Cheers, you don't have to know you don't have to watch season.

01:24:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:24:47 ◼   ► So you can watch any episode immediately.

01:24:49 ◼   ► If you didn't watch Episode three, you're never going to get Episode four.

01:24:52 ◼   ► No, they're all they all stand alone.

01:24:54 ◼   ► This one it they go in order, you have to watch the season in order, which is a very

01:24:58 ◼   ► modern streaming way of writing a season.

01:25:01 ◼   ► It's so easy to get into.

01:25:03 ◼   ► Ah, I totally recommend it to anybody.

01:25:07 ◼   ► Anything else you want to recommend?

01:25:08 ◼   ► Um, no, I would just say one more thing about it.

01:25:13 ◼   ► It's, um, it's definitely my favorite just to talk about moral Apple TV Plus, but it's

01:25:17 ◼   ► definitely my favorite Apple TV Plus series.

01:25:20 ◼   ► And there's there are a couple that I really like.

01:25:22 ◼   ► I really liked Dickerson and I really have liked the space one.

01:25:26 ◼   ► For All Mankind.

01:25:28 ◼   ► I like For All Mankind could not get Amy involved in it at all.

01:25:32 ◼   ► I enjoyed it.

01:25:33 ◼   ► Glad they got season two coming out.

01:25:34 ◼   ► We enjoyed as a family, the M Night Shyamalan one, which Oh, did you?

01:25:39 ◼   ► Okay, what's it called?

01:25:40 ◼   ► I'm not a big horror fan.

01:25:42 ◼   ► So that one was, uh, it seemed like it was well made, but it wasn't my cup of tea, particularly.

01:25:47 ◼   ► I only I didn't get through the first episode.

01:25:48 ◼   ► It's actually filmed blocks away from our

01:25:52 ◼   ► servant.

01:25:54 ◼   ► It's called servant.

01:25:55 ◼   ► That's right.

01:25:56 ◼   ► I wanted to say beloved.

01:25:57 ◼   ► And I knew that was it.

01:25:58 ◼   ► It's it is very M Night Shyamalan.

01:26:04 ◼   ► Right.

01:26:05 ◼   ► It's a little lower on the horror.

01:26:07 ◼   ► You know, it's very it's suspenseful, though.

01:26:10 ◼   ► And it's weird.

01:26:11 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:26:11 ◼   ► Did you watch or no?

01:26:13 ◼   ► I watched some of I watched some of the first episode and I was like, yeah, I'm not gonna.

01:26:16 ◼   ► This isn't and it's not and it's not because I think it's bad or it's poorly made or anything.

01:26:20 ◼   ► It's just it's a I do not care for horror very much.

01:26:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:26:25 ◼   ► So and the other thing was so the other thing I've heard very good things about is Lovecraft

01:26:31 ◼   ► Country, but another thing that is horror that I probably will.

01:26:34 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that's next on our list.

01:26:37 ◼   ► That's HBO Max.

01:26:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:26:39 ◼   ► Yeah, that would be next on our list.

01:26:42 ◼   ► We're going to watch that.

01:26:43 ◼   ► Anyway, that's pretty good.

01:26:45 ◼   ► I heard there's a rumor that Apple might extend the TV plus thing for another year with purchases.

01:26:52 ◼   ► You know, I can see why.

01:26:56 ◼   ► And I feel like it's sort of how do you bootstrap a because they're not doing that.

01:27:01 ◼   ► They didn't buy the library rights to anything, right?

01:27:04 ◼   ► Like when you get and this is like before like a year ago before TV plus launched, everybody

01:27:09 ◼   ► was like, Well, why are people going to pay for a service that only has even if the six

01:27:14 ◼   ► shows are great?

01:27:15 ◼   ► Why would you pay five bucks a month for a service with six shows that when you watch

01:27:20 ◼   ► them, you're out?

01:27:21 ◼   ► And the answer was, well, they're really kind of going to go out of their way to give it

01:27:25 ◼   ► to anybody who buys any other Apple hardware product.

01:27:29 ◼   ► And that's how you bootstrap it, right?