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I missed it this year. I was not at the Mac world. Oh you weren't there. Oh
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Did you see me oh I
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Must have yeah, you know I do I know we
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I'm trying to know you were you were missed. I'm trying to remember the last time I missed a macro
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And I it's been so many years in a row that I don't even remember
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See I told you I like the first night I got I got to I had a few too many beverages
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and I think it was because I wasn't there to watch you.
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You weren't there for me to watch so that I would know how much was too many.
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So how was the show?
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It was pretty good. I mean it's, I haven't seen numbers for the traffic, but the traffic on the floor was decent.
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And I can never tell because they always move it around.
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So it's hard to, so this year it was in Moscone North.
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Oh, so that's weird. Well, I mean not weird but different.
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Right. And I can't, you know, so I can't judge how big the floor was compared to previous years.
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Right. Because the last couple of years it was in Moscone West.
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Which is, in my opinion, a much nicer building because it's above ground.
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Right. It is a little nicer.
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little nicer flooded with sunlight and then Moscone North and South are
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literally subterranean right in there that's not you know like a euphemism or
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something so you're in a cave was lived you literally go down and it seemed it
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seemed like the show was maybe maybe just a little bit smaller than last year
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I don't know but at the same time it also just seemed like there was less
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just junk. For a long time, particularly after the iPhone came out,
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it just got flooded with like crappy cases and stuff like that.
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And there's still a few little sort of, you know, there are the boos that are just hawking
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the cheapest possible earphones and stuff like that. But for the most part, I think it seemed
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to me like what they shed or maybe a couple of the large like like Omni wasn't there.
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Romney has for years had a big booth and they didn't have a booth there this year but
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they it also just seemed like there was a lot of the junk was cut out too which was
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Yeah I remember specifically in 2011 because it had to be 2011 because it was the first
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year after the iPad was, the original iPad was announced. And it really seemed like half
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the booths were for either iPad cases or, and it was such a huge thing. And then once
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you noticed it, you just couldn't help seeing it. Like every other booth was selling it.
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Like attachable arms that you could attach an iPad to to make it like hang on a wall
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or you know.
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sort of just like that because they were throwing everything up against right it
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was just anything they could just snap onto an iPad and it was like robot arms
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and you know just ways that you would like hang it in it on a cubicle and it's
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like all these things and I just remember thinking like I can see how
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like in a rare case somebody needs this thing but I can't imagine how half of
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these booths could be selling these you know how many people actually need that
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to hang their iPad on a wall yeah and there were boot there were single booze
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that just had literally hundreds of different iPhone cases.
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- Right. - Back then.
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And it seems like that stuff has kind of--
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- Dried up as a-- - It's well, yeah, I mean,
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I think they've settled down a little bit. (laughs)
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- Right, I think it's not that they're selling,
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that the industry as a whole is selling fewer iPad cases.
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They're probably selling more than ever
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because Apple's selling more iPads than ever.
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It's just that the sort of gold rush mentality
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of, okay, we're gonna be a company that makes these.
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we better get a booth at all these trade shows is over.
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- What about the conference, how'd that go?
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- Pretty well, yeah, I mean,
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I didn't go to a huge number of,
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I was only there two days,
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and I was on one panel,
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and then I went to a couple others,
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and the ones I saw were good.
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The one that I really liked was the,
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I'm gonna get the name wrong,
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It's the rapid fire, I think, where they got like 18 people
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come up and talk about something for five minutes.
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- Oh, that's a great format.
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I love that.
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- Yeah, and they had a really good set of examples
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of different technologies and also just ways to do things.
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I went in there sort of on a lark
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and then I found myself taking notes.
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So that was pretty good.
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- Yeah, a lot of times, I think that's a great format
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and it's like, it's the way that Twitter
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can be a more efficient means of communication.
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Even if you're struggling at first to fit your idea,
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you know, whatever it is you're trying to convey
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into 140 characters, once you do,
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it's the condensed nugget of the message
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you're trying to get apart.
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And that's the same thing with those three minute
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or five minute flash sessions.
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- Yeah, like Kyle Wiens, Kyle Wiens had a pretty funny,
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he's the iFixit guy who I think,
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drives some people crazy because he rails against Apple
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for making devices that are less and less fixable
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over the years, at least that's been a trend.
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But he had a good one where he would just like
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talk about easy ways to fix your devices
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and then he threw in a bunch of them
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that he was obviously pretending were easy
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that were really not easy at all.
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- Yeah, his--
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Trying to get an iPad mini open.
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I am never going to try to get an iPad mini open.
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- Yeah, you know what?
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I'm looking at my iPad mini right now
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and I have to say, I don't even know.
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- It's like, I mean, you have to like,
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there's this thing that you have to buy
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and you put it in the microwave to heat it up
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and then you have to apply it to the mini
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to get to loosen up like some of the gum,
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I guess underneath or something like that
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so you can pry off.
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I don't even see, I guess you have to somehow loosen the adhesive that detaches the screen.
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Right, right.
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And then you have to stick a bunch of different, like, I don't know, when you go, splongers
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or whatever those things are, those little plastic things that you pry things apart with.
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Yeah, I know, I forget what they're called.
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Yeah, I've got a bunch of them here.
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Yeah, his stick has been, the thing that you're talking about that he annoys people is that
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his stick is that every single design decision that Apple makes with any of its devices that
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ends up making it hard for them or other third-party fix-it shops to fix these
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things he attributes to so solely solely likes like in money spite you know that
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it's a money-making grab on Apple's part and that it has you know nothing to do
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with the obvious which is making these devices is ridiculously thin and light
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as possible. Right. Right. Like how do you gonna, you know. How do you like that? Yeah.
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I've been getting...
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So what is that?
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So that is like come to our site and log in with your AT&T credentials that we can
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steal your information. I guess so. I guess I've just been right here live on the talk show. I was
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My monthly, well I'm on Verizon, but my monthly bill is not that much.
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No, my monthly bill is not that much either. And mine is also on Verizon.
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I've gotten that call before.
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Yeah, so right, you don't even have an AT&T.
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Honestly, I don't know which bastard company I've given my phone number to has sold me out, but no
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I hate it too because you can do about it
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What I'll do with some of those two is just to waste their time
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Like now that one's that's hard because it they don't even want to talk to me
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They just want me to go to their phishing website
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which I haven't seen that before until like last week when I started getting these calls, but
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If it's a usual one where they're like, you know, press one to speak to a representative
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I'll do it if I'm not busy
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I'll press one and then I'll just try to waste their time and be a jerk on the phone for a couple minutes. I
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Don't answer the phone at all I never answer the phone Oh, maybe never answers the phone either
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I hate answering the phone which drives my mother insane, right?
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because she's you know, her generation was like
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Who a phone call could be? Yeah, right a phone call, right?
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It's like a social obligation.
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- It's yeah, you gotta answer the phone.
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- Yeah, what kind of a person makes a phone call?
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- Well, yeah, that's the other thing.
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I also don't make phone calls.
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- You and I are good friends.
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We've been friends for many years.
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I think it's a very,
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I think there's a very high likelihood
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that you and I have never once made a phone call
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to each other.
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- I don't think I have your number.
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- I know I wouldn't give you mine.
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- Yeah, well.
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But I don't need your number.
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- Right, right.
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There's like 12 different ways I can get a hold of you.
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And none of them involve calling you on the phone.
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- Although I do, it does occur to me though that,
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and so for example, we're talking about
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going to Macworld Expo, I still call it Macworld Expo.
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I know it's-- - So do I.
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- Macworld, iWorld. - I can't do Macworld, iWorld.
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- What do they call it?
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Is that the official name, Macworld iWorld?
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- That's the official Macworld iWorld.
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- Is there a slash?
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- Well, you spell it that way, but you don't say it.
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- Slash is silent.
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- But we've been going--
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Because it's actually Macworld divided by iWorld.
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We've been going, I don't even know when I first started going, but it's sometime in
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the 2000s when I started going to the one in San Francisco.
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And you know, you and I are friends, we'll have adult beverages, you know, in the happy
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hour and we have, you know, a circle of other friends we often meet with.
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I don't remember how that we ever coordinated that before we had iPhones.
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I had a cell phone, but I don't, you know, it was stupid little one with nine buttons.
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I mean, you could text, but it was like to get a C, you had to hit the two button three
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times, you know.
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I certainly wasn't using that much.
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I don't remember how we coordinated stuff like that.
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I don't need, I, yeah, I don't either.
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I guess, but how did we check our email?
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I mean, were we, did we take laptops everywhere?
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And if we did, how are we?
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We could only use them when we were on Wi-Fi.
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And I don't remember there being Wi-Fi at MacworldX.
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I guess we called.
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I mean, I guess we--
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I don't know.
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I mean, I didn't go too many--
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well, I guess actually my first one was the one where the iPhone was introduced.
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So I only went to one without an iPhone.
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I don't remember how we--
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I don't remember how adults coordinated things like,
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"Hey, let's all meet for drinks somewhere."
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And we used to just, well we used to meet at sessions.
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Which we still kind of, which still is done.
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I guess we just did it.
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So and so's doing a session, you hang out at the session and then you talk to them afterwards.
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Let's find out where to go.
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Right. And somebody would make an initial decision and somehow it would like, like communicate,
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I don't know, like caveman style.
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I don't remember. And then I guess maybe we just stuck together for the whole night. Like nobody.
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Yeah, you basically, yeah, you travel in packs.
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You're afraid to go take a leak because you're-
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Yeah, right.
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Everybody would get up and go and get lost.
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You'd have no idea where they are.
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No way to find them.
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I was supposed to meet our good friend Paul Kaphas out in the street to catch an Uber to go someplace.
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And I got mixed up because he said mission and I thought I heard market.
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So I was over at market and he was trying to, we were like messaging each other back and forth.
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And he was trying to figure out where the heck I was at one point.
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and he just like he got in to find my friends
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and I was like I can see him, I can see his little dot,
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where the heck is he?
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It's like a block over.
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So yeah, so there's like, and then,
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we didn't do it this time, but setting up like a board,
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what's the--
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- Glass board.
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- Glass board, yeah.
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- Yeah, but that's another one that requires an iPhone.
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- Right. - Right, glass board
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is fantastic for a little ad hoc,
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social temporary social group
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but i mean in fact it's almost
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ideal use case of glassboard but uh...
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again it requires an iPhone
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i don't remember
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seems and i don't
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uh... down on the missed out on a lot back then is what happened
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yeah i guess maybe
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maybe we just all you know called it a night early and went to bed
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I don't really know how sad is that somehow though the fact that I don't remember makes me think that no, that's not what we do
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So where were the conference sessions if that if the expo was in Moscone North
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the conference sessions were like in that big long hallway right outside the
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The in the base. Yeah in the basement part, which I didn't even realize where they were there particularly
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So there was some in there and then you went through that tunnel to South and the that big
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Auditorium there, which I think is where you gave is that where you gave your talk that one year your keynote that one year
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Yeah, well, it was a big room. I don't know if it was the the big room, but it was a big room
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Yeah, it looked like it looked about the same size as that one
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It was pretty big that which which is where they like the big presentations were
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Yeah, which is technically in Moscone South, but it's just connected
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Yeah, it's in that like by that tunnel. I don't know what you would call like a concourse between Moscone North. Yeah. Yeah
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There's often vendors in there too, and I've never understood
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I've never understood how that how that happened came to be. Yeah, this year is just all in all in North. Yeah
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is North the bigger one or the
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Smaller one probably the smaller one. It's the smaller one
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That's a small one because I remember when Apple used to go with everything they used to have the
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big stuff in South where Apple's booth was and then like the little like the North was was more
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of the ghetto. Right. Like the little small companies one. But that was always fun.
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No, but they had Tiny Town was still in South. I remember. It just seemed like I think the
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the less expensive booths were in North back then.
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- Did you see Merlin?
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Was Merlin there?
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- No, I did not see Merlin this year.
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I don't know if he came out for the show.
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- I believe it was Merlin who coined Tiny Town.
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- Tiny Town is always my favorite place to talk to people,
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talk to the booth people.
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- 'Cause it's the place where you see the people
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who either A, have like a really clever new thing
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that you've never heard of before and you're actually genuinely like, "Wow, I just learned
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about a new thing. This is why this is like a legitimate business expense. I just learned
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something I wouldn't have learned otherwise." Or B, this person is crazy. This person has
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a crazy idea. I cannot believe that they have a company set up to do this. But they're fascinating
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to talk to for five minutes about their crazy idea.
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Yeah, there was one, I didn't see these guys, but I think Serenity Caldwell was telling me about it.
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They had some home automation hub.
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I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was like, everything that you use will connect into it.
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And she's like, "Well, how are you going to do that?"
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And I'm like, "Oh, well, we published an API."
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So they had a real build it, if you build it, they will come mentality.
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Everyone was going to be hooking into their system just because.
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What do you mean though that everything would?
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Like your iPhone and any device that you wanted to control your home from would run into their
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system because everybody would build into their APIs.
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Yeah, good luck with that.
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What about smartwatches and stuff like that?
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Anything? - I didn't see,
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no, I didn't see any of that stuff, really.
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I mean, I didn't see any of the names that we know.
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- I mean, 'cause none of that's,
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I mean, the stuff that really exists other than Pebble,
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which isn't really,
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I mean, they don't really go to trade shows
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at this point, right?
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- I don't know if they do or not.
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I was just yeah, that's a good question, but I didn't see pebble there. I don't think they were there and then you know most of the other stuff is all Android.
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Is it something about the Tyson stuff isn't even shipping though is it it's like just like announced. Yeah, I don't think so. No, I don't think so. All right.
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What about Google glass? You see anybody wearing the glass? I saw one person. I saw one person wearing Google glass.
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And I think that's the whole, even the whole time.
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I saw one person in the show with Google Glass,
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and I didn't see anybody else wearing it in San Francisco,
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which I was kind of surprised about.
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I thought there would be a little bit more of that.
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- 'Cause even, it's been a while.
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I don't think I've been to San Francisco
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in a couple months, but I know,
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I remember even back at WWDC,
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which was what, like nine months ago-ish?
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Yeah, April, May, June.
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Yeah, so about nine months ago.
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You'd see, you know, a couple times a day you'd see somebody wearing it, either in WWDC,
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either in the, you know, somebody who's actually attending, or just out and about on the streets
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of San Francisco.
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You'd see somebody.
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You know, it obviously wasn't a huge thing, but it was, it sticks out enough that it,
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you know, you always notice it, especially I think if you're from out of town.
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But it seems to me like the, like we've already reached peak glass.
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I mean, and you know.
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And there are enough, it's like San Francisco is having enough social problems with glass
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right now that.
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If you own glass, you're probably thinking when you go out, maybe I'll, you know, go
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out for a drink or whatever.
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Maybe I'll just leave the glass home.
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And you know, that could change in the future if, you know, they come out with a new version
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that is less noticeable.
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Which is, I'm sure is the plan.
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Warby Parkers. Right. You may not even be able to go out without it. Right. It's
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because it's either going to fade away and they're going to just sort of brush
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it under the rug and you know say I forget about that or it's going to get
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less noticeable. So that could change but the glass as we know it these Explorer
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kits you know it's I think that the naysayers were exactly right. The things
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are ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah because some like Macworld Expos where if it was
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still taking off if people were still wearing them you'd you would have seen more than one
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because just you know a year ago you saw it more frequently right yeah that was like i said i was
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surprised because i just i thought that you know you'd see you know yeah everybody would be wearing
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them i kind of get the feeling too with the whole um android wear announcement that it's i and i
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I could be wrong.
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I have no inside knowledge of what the hell Google is up to.
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So they could have an amazing new Glass 2.0 ready to announce
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any week now.
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But I kind of get the feeling that Android Wear is sort of,
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OK, forget about Glass.
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Now we're going with this stuff, with the watches and the--
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That's a good idea, an amulet.
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And you get Flavor Flav.
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- Dr. Strange.
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- Yeah, like Dr. Strange or--
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- Acomato or whatever.
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- Flavor Flav, I mean, I'm sure you'd get Flavor Flav
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to wear one.
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And that's where you know that something's really good
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is when they have a celebrity spokesperson.
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I don't understand why anybody does that.
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- A celebrity spokesperson?
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- A celebrity spokesperson just is like,
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it just reeks of desperation to me.
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But somebody must be telling, I mean,
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Maybe they have numbers that I don't--
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I've never seen.
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But HTC dragging poor Robert Downey Jr. out
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to talk about how great HTC is.
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He probably does not use an HTC phone.
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I can see it just for the commercial.
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If you're going to--
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for example, I don't think--
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I never liked Apple's celebrity ads either.
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Who'd they have?
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They had Zooey Deschanel.
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Deschanel and--
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Sam Jackson.
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- Samuel Jackson, yeah.
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- Martin Scorsese.
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Yeah, oh no, it was Scorsese.
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- Scorsese in the backseat of a cab talking to Siri.
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Which was the one that I think was the most problematic
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because A, he was in midtown Manhattan.
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And you don't, whatever your experience with Siri is like,
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I mean, it still depends on having a working internet connection.
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An actual internet connection.
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And B, Martin Scorsese famously is one of the fastest speakers in the world.
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And to have that rat-tat-tat conversation with Siri
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was really stretching the limits of belief for anybody who actually used Siri,
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especially anybody who's tried to use Siri in Midtown Manhattan.
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But again, they weren't having those celebrities as,
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they were just, they just throw commercials.
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They weren't the brand ambassador, you know,
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like on stage at events.
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- Yeah, so I think that's slightly less bad,
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the brand ambassador thing is.
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And then the even worse part is director of creative.
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- Right, like Alicia Keys for Blackberry, right?
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- It's just like, let's just light
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a few million dollars on fire.
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It doesn't even make any sense though.
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I mean, that's the thing.
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And they, you know, wasn't she one of the ones too
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where it was like she got announced
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as their director of creativity.
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I mean, as though she had like a serious executive job.
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Like the title--
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- She's showing up every day and yeah,
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she's moving up to Canada.
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- And then, you know, wasn't she one of the ones
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who somebody got caught?
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I try not to link to these things
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because it's a little immature.
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But you know, that she tweeted something
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and the metadata was like Twitter for iPhone.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- But who believes that?
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Like, I just can't imagine the meeting
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where they're like, let's have,
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let's get somebody like Alicia Keys
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to be our creator of, our director of creativity.
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- Like, who is it that they think
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that actually makes a difference to?
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Like, most people are never gonna hear about the news.
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No, you know, even BlackBerry customers
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are never gonna see anything that says
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Alicia Keys has been named the director of creativity.
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But even those who do hear it,
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who actually would think, well that's a great idea.
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Somebody who's never designed a cell phone
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or has any kind of understanding of software
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or consumer electronics is now the director of creativity
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for this brand, that's great.
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- There's a whole collection to be made
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of really stupid business ideas like that.
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And the other thing that always just baffles me
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is Wall Street analyst firms,
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and I know they do this deliberately
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to get headlines about their firm,
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just like saying crazy stuff about Apple.
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- I mean, like, Trip Choudry
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is a pretty good example of that.
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I mean, the guy actually has like an $800 target on Apple,
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and yet he says the company's gonna go out of business
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if they don't ship an iWatch in two months.
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- I think we're down to like 50 days now.
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- Yeah, we're down to, yeah, right.
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- It was about 10.
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- And if nobody's made a Trip Choudry clock,
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then somebody should get on that immediately.
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- Yeah, I think it was about 10 days ago.
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- I can't even log into my website right now,
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Do you agree with me?
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Do you think, I think it goes unremarked upon.
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And I know that San Francisco is almost like the epicenter
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of a lot of controversies this year
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in terms of like the income inequality
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and the buses that are taking people to Google
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and Apple and stuff like that.
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And I can totally see.
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I mean, if anybody has ever been to the actual valley,
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like where Apple's campus is--
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I've never been to Mountain View,
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so I don't know exactly what Google's campus is like.
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But that whole area, I can totally see,
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especially if you're young, either before you have kids,
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why you'd want to live in San Francisco rather than live
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anywhere down there.
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But San Francisco is a weird city.
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I wouldn't want to live there.
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I wouldn't either.
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I mean, I don't like living in the city, city personally.
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I mean, we live, you know, Tacoma's not a huge city,
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but we live close enough.
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I mean, like I could walk to downtown from here
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if I really wanted to.
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It's kind of a long walk, but so it's nice.
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It's nice being close to something, but yeah,
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that's too much for me.
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And they have a, you know, they have a lot of homeless
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and they have, so they have a lot of homeless
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and they have a lot of like well-moneyed jerks.
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I, and I, you know, I like going there
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and for like two, three days and then getting out.
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I've always said--
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- The food is awesome.
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- Oh, it is totally true.
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- The food is so good.
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I mean, that's the great thing is like, you know,
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every time I go down there,
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I always get some really good meals.
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Right. And all different kinds of stuff too, which is great. We got Thai food,
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and they've got some, I know pizza people will roll their eyes at this,
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but they've got some good pizza places too. Really? That's new, I think.
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Yeah. I mean, they're like guys, and they're mostly people that have come from other places
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to come there to bring...
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Did you go to that place with Paul, the one that's in the garage?
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Yeah. We didn't go this time, but yeah, but we went a couple of years ago.
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What's the name of that place?
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I forget the name of that place, but it's a guy who came from,
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I think he came from New York, right?
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And they make the dough in the morning,
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and then if they run out of dough, too bad.
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Sorry, we're out of dough.
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You can't have a pizza.
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And then when they seat you,
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they ask how many pizzas you're gonna get.
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Right, it's una pizza napolitana.
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Una pizza napolitana.
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It's amazing.
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It's really cool.
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- And he's back there and they had a kid
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and so he's back there with his wife
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and the kid was in like a stroller
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and he's just like, he's making pizzas with one hand
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and he's like pushing the stroller with the other hand,
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back and forth with the other hand.
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So like his baby was back there.
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- I forget who linked to the guy first.
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I might've been Gus Mueller
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'cause Gus is sort of a pizza fanatic,
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like an amateur pizza connoisseur.
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But it was like in New York, this guy, and he had like a very expensive brick oven and
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he hated it, wasn't making the pies right.
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And so he had to smash out the back of the building and take it out.
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And he went to Italy or Sicily, I don't know where he went, somewhere over there, and just
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kept looking and looking until he found an oven that he wanted and had it shipped over
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to him in Brooklyn and had it put in the back of the building and then sealed the building
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back up. And then he decided, "Screw this, I'm moving to San Francisco." But he took
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his oven with him. And I think, you know, I'm pretty sure taking a brick oven with
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you is expensive, right? But it's like this guy, it's like his, you know, he's sort
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of like his TARDIS or something, you know? Like he's the doctor and he's got this
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amazing brick oven.
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**Matt Stauffer** He's got to take it with him.
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Right. And then I think it was probably Paul who convinced me to go and we went,
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like they open at five. There's like no reservations. It's open at five. They serve
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till they run out of dough. And we got there at five and all it was was a closed garage.
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There's no sign or anything. And we're like, "This cannot be the place." And then like 5-0-1,
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the garage door goes up and inside there's a restaurant.
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It was also the place where I slammed Paul's hand in the cab door.
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So we get there, we get out of the cab, and I just, you know, I'm not even like looking. I just go,
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because he was in the back and I was in the front, and I just go to slam the car door. And he went
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into, he was paying the cabbie. And so he leaned back in and he put his hand around the outside of
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the thing and I just nailed him.
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Was he alright?
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Yeah he's fine.
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That was a couple years ago.
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I'm sure he's fine by now.
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I haven't noticed any adverse effects.
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No audio hijack still works.
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Um anything else from macro anything?
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Any little uh any other little uh well yeah.
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Oh so like um are good pals at um busy Mac.
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They came out with a with a busy contacts.
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Right, which is pretty cool.
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Yeah, I saw that announcement.
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If you don't like Apple's context, which was might be
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understandable.
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Um, they're the makers of busy cow, busy cow, which is quite
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So that was that was good.
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There were a few things.
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I mean, there were a few things that I saw that were kind of
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There's also like trigger, which is this.
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It's a it's like a candle of a gun that you put your iPhone on
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to take pictures with.
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But they also it's a Bluetooth device that lets you.
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Connect so you can use the buttons on the handle to so that the iPhone sits on the top.
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But they also have an API. It's like theoretically somebody could make like a first person shooter or something with it, which would be kind of cool.
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Oh, weird. It actually looks like a gun. OK. I mean, I don't think anybody has yet.
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And it's still like a hundred, it's still a hundred dollars.
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So it's still faces the same problem that the controllers
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that people have made for iOS face,
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that they're kind of too expensive.
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And you just bought an iPhone,
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you don't wanna run out and buy another $100 device to,
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I think the prices have come down a little bit
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since they first came out.
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But such a problem, they're not all a hundred bucks now,
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but still they're still kind of pricey.
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- Yeah, 180 bucks for a--
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- Yeah, I mean like you buy one for a Xbox
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or a Wii is like 24 bucks.
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You know, you still don't wanna spend $80.
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- That's a pretty cool idea though.
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So for, to use it as a camera,
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do you have to use like a third party app
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to take the pictures or is there some way that,
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is there like an API that you could use to--
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- I think it's their app.
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- I think you use their app, yeah.
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- 'Cause I didn't think that there was a way
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to get the built-in camera app to--
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- Right, to do it through Bluetooth, yeah.
00:36:07
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And I bought, I don't know, I bought a couple little things.
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I bought just like a Bluetooth waterproof speaker
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for the shower.
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I was just like, hey, yeah, okay.
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I can listen to my music in the shower.
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And then I got my son. - Have you used it yet?
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- No, I just, no, not yet.
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- So you haven't showered today?
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- I have, no, I did shower, I just didn't use the,
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I forgot the speaker.
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It's a, you know, it's a whole,
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You gotta get into the groove.
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Change, it's a process change.
00:36:40
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- I haven't changed my process yet.
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And there was this, like way off to the corner,
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there was this booth with all these people in it
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with red shirts on that said Japan.
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- That's it?
00:36:58
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- That's it.
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And they had a bunch of different stuff in it.
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And so I finally figured,
00:37:04
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I figured this out after the fact.
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I thought it was like one company,
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but I guess this is like an import company that was sourcing
00:37:10
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stuff from different vendors.
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But they had these battery charges,
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like a portable battery thing, that
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were better priced than some of the other ones
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that I had seen in other booths.
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And it was this--
00:37:24
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I got one for my son.
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It's a Japanese manga character called--
00:37:29
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what the heck is it called?
00:37:34
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Now I can't remember, but it's the company's name is Cheero.
00:37:40
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I'll look it up.
00:37:42
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And I think they've just licensed this Dan board and it looks like this little cardboard
00:37:50
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guy and so it's the cardboard guy's head and you plug it, it's a box and you plug it in
00:37:55
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and it charges up and then you can charge your iPad or your iPhone with it.
00:37:59
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And when it starts running down, his eyes blink red like he's angry.
00:38:06
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It's kind of cool, and it was better priced than some of the other ones.
00:38:11
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At the same booth, which I at first thought was also Chiro, but I guess it was somebody
00:38:17
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else, they had these milled aluminum iPhone bumpers.
00:38:23
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And at first I was kind of like, "I don't want to look at that."
00:38:26
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and the guy had me hold it 'cause they were also
00:38:29
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like 120 bucks.
00:38:31
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- The guy had me hold it and it was felt really,
00:38:33
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really good and it's like it's all cut out of one piece
00:38:38
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of aluminum.
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It's like so if you were like looking for a really fine
00:38:42
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bumper for your iPhone, those would be pretty good
00:38:45
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but I can't remember the name of the company
00:38:46
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that actually makes, I didn't get the name of the company
00:38:48
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that actually makes that.
00:38:49
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- Wait, but it's an aluminum bumper for the iPhone?
00:38:52
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- It's aluminum bumper, yeah.
00:38:54
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- I don't know, wouldn't that scratch it all up
00:38:56
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when you put it in or is it like rubber?
00:38:57
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- No, it's good, no, it's got the insides,
00:38:59
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the insides soft.
00:39:00
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And I talked to, I think I just talked to Dan Frakes
00:39:05
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from Macworld about it and he was like,
00:39:06
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oh yeah, that thing is really nice
00:39:07
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'cause I think he got one for,
00:39:09
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as a freebie for a review unit or something like that, so.
00:39:14
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- All right, I've got the Chiro thing here in the show.
00:39:15
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- Yeah, I got the Chiro thing and that bumper's,
00:39:17
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the damn bumper's not on there, so.
00:39:19
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And the company that--
00:39:21
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- But it was the same company?
00:39:22
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- No, it's not, it's,
00:39:24
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that are all Japanese, they're all Japanese.
00:39:27
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- Everything through that booth
00:39:29
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was sold through an import company.
00:39:32
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- And the import company, their receipt
00:39:36
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is just like America support.
00:39:42
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Their name is sadly targeted
00:39:46
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towards the Japanese side of things
00:39:48
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rather than the people they're selling to.
00:39:51
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- It's a super powerful charger.
00:39:52
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It's 10,000 mega amps.
00:39:56
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- Yeah, I got the 6,000 one, but yeah,
00:40:00
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but there's another one.
00:40:01
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They had all different sizes.
00:40:04
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- So some of those were,
00:40:05
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they were, you know, it's kind of funny,
00:40:06
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like, and then it's,
00:40:08
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you look at the one he had before,
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was much less powerful,
00:40:10
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and also just looked like a black tube.
00:40:14
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- Yeah, I like buying the,
00:40:16
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just the little power brick type chargers.
00:40:18
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Even though it's sort of a pain in the ass,
00:40:20
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you have to bring a cable,
00:40:21
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and it's the extra pain in the ass you have to have a second cable to charge the charger
00:40:26
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because it doesn't use lightning.
00:40:27
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But to me it's better.
00:40:28
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But they all use the same and I've got a, now I've got a bunch of devices that use that
00:40:31
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►
same USB mini adapter anyway so I just take one.
00:40:35
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Right USB mini in your suitcase.
00:40:37
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But then you can charge anything with it.
00:40:39
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You can charge an iPad with it.
00:40:40
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You can charge, you know, if you have like, you know, like, you know, if somebody else
00:40:47
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in your family or kid or your wife has an older iPhone, you know, when you have the
00:40:51
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case you've only got like two years of iPhones that fit it and then it's you
00:40:56
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►
know you might as well throw it out right or as you get these bricks you can
00:41:00
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use it for anything you can use it forever really and then the other one
00:41:05
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Akideo so it seems like the the Thunder like last year Thunderbolt stuff was
00:41:11
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still kind of Akideo how do you spell that was a a K I T I O so it seemed like
00:41:19
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the Thunderbolt stuff this year was a little bit more mature. A little bit more to see
00:41:26
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and they have a RAID Thunderbolt device that's like a 256 gigabyte flash based drive for
00:41:42
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like 400 bucks.
00:41:46
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So that seems like, so that's one of the things you noticed this year though is that Thunderbolt
00:41:49
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is sort of yeah it seemed like there was a little bit more maturity in the
00:41:52
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Thunderbolt offerings there this year yeah I remember last year there was
00:41:55
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almost nothing yeah seem like all the drives were still USB firewire or
00:42:00
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something right right firewires going out right I mean it's like yeah there's
00:42:05
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nothing I mean I think I don't think you can buy a computer with Thunderbolt or
00:42:10
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a firewire anymore oh no they still have I mean I think the um am I wrong yeah
00:42:16
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yeah well making up I think the IMAX I think the IMAX still have an 800 port or
00:42:22
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one 800 port maybe they don't the minis do don't they let's see my sister-in-law
00:42:33
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just was shopping for a new MacBook and was shocked that that like the heirs and
00:42:40
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the new MacBook Pros don't come with like a disk drive for movies.
00:42:49
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Which is funny because to me that's such old news like I'm way past it but you know I guess
00:42:53
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she still expected like that you know she has like DVDs at home that she could watch
00:42:58
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DVDs on her computer.
00:43:00
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I was like wow that's like putting a floppy in.
00:43:05
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I still yeah every once in a while I still do but not that's just.
00:43:09
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It's not really something I need that much anymore.
00:43:12
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Anything else what else from the show?
00:43:15
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Do you buy anything else?
00:43:16
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I decided a car mount thing but that's just like one of the magnetic things.
00:43:23
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You put a thing on your dashboard and then you stick something else to your
00:43:27
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iPhone case because I'm not sticking to the back of my iPhone.
00:43:31
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And then you can just slap it on there
00:43:34
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when you get in the car.
00:43:37
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- Cloak was the other thing I thought was kind of cool.
00:43:41
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Which is the VPN.
00:43:44
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- I'm not familiar with it.
00:43:46
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I know what a VPN is, but.
00:43:48
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- Yeah, yeah, so it's, and it's for your iPhone.
00:43:53
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Let me find it, see if I can find a good description of it.
00:43:57
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- Looks like they're at www.
00:44:00
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- Yeah, so you can set up which networks you trust,
00:44:05
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and then when you get into a network that you don't trust,
00:44:10
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it'll create a VPN for you,
00:44:13
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so that you can still connect to the internet
00:44:16
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without using their,
00:44:21
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without using their Wi-Fi openly.
00:44:23
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- Gotcha, gotcha.
00:44:25
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- That's pretty cool.
00:44:26
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Yeah, I see their website's at www.getcloak.com.
00:44:30
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There we go.
00:44:32
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I'm also looking here at the current iMac tech specs.
00:44:37
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And the ports on the back are, there's no FireWire.
00:44:40
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It's-- - No FireWire, okay.
00:44:40
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- Headphone, the SD card slot,
00:44:43
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four USB 3 ports, two thunderbolts,
00:44:48
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and one gigabit ethernet.
00:44:51
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So no, if you buy like a new iMac today,
00:44:53
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you do not get FireWire.
00:44:54
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So I will collect my being right point from you.
00:45:00
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- Congratulations.
00:45:02
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- I have a pretty, I really should do more like "Syracusa"
00:45:07
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and do some corrections up front.
00:45:10
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'Cause I've gotten a lot of compliments
00:45:13
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that people are saying that the show's going well,
00:45:15
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they're really enjoying it lately.
00:45:16
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But anytime, I have a terrible record
00:45:19
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the last couple of months of anytime
00:45:21
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that I offer any fact without having
00:45:25
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the actual documentation in front of me,
00:45:27
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It is wrong in some way.
00:45:30
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- There is still a Fireware 800 port in the Mini.
00:45:33
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- Hmm, that's because the Mini hasn't been updated
00:45:35
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in forever, right?
00:45:37
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- That'll probably go away the next,
00:45:39
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which will be...
00:45:43
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- Where's the MacRumorsBuying guy?
00:45:45
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Let's go there, 'cause they always,
00:45:47
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they'll tell you. - It's gotta be, yeah.
00:45:48
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- MacRumorsBuying guy will tell you.
00:45:49
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- Do not buy.
00:45:50
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- Let's see.
00:45:52
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I don't even see where it's listed.
00:45:56
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- Oh, there it is.
00:45:59
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- Yeah, I'm sure.
00:46:00
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There's no way.
00:46:01
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- Let's see how old it is.
00:46:02
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Right now, it's 523 days old.
00:46:08
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So-- - Yeah, I mean,
00:46:10
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'cause you used to be,
00:46:11
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I mean, it used to be that the rule of thumb
00:46:11
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was like, you wait six months.
00:46:13
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Don't, I mean, if you're under six months,
00:46:16
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you could probably go ahead and buy.
00:46:18
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But if it gets over six months,
00:46:20
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hey, you might wanna wait,
00:46:21
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'cause, you know, six to nine months,
00:46:23
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it should get updated.
00:46:26
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but that's clearly not what's done anymore.
00:46:27
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- So the last couple of revisions of the Mac Mini,
00:46:31
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the one before that was around 461 days
00:46:34
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and the one before that was 400 days.
00:46:36
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So they don't really update it that frequently.
00:46:41
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- But now at 523 days seems like.
00:46:44
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- That's a long time.
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Well, you write during Fireball,
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you must know when I should buy a computer.
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My advice is always-- - Oh yeah,
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I was always the worst.
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- Well, I wasn't gonna talk baseball.
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It's I guess the season starts this week though. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't going to talk base. There was a there was a
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San francisco. There's a giant sexposition game on
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Home game on friday night when we were there. Did you go I did not we were some of the people were talking about going
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But then we ended up
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Deciding to just i'm sure straight to the bar instead and did paul tell you the story about the yeah. Well, I was there
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That time were you with us? Were you out with us? Yeah. Yeah paul hates that story
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I feel like he loves to tell it he does but I feel like he's the guy like for
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most of us it's like oh man imagine the luck and with Paul it's like it's the
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white whale that he's chasing the rest of his life right long story short it
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was like that it was WWDC yeah I think yeah it had to be two years ago and our
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friend Jason Snell editorial director at at Macworld they had a little you know
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like a little five o'clock meet-and-greet like a friends of Macworld
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well it wasn't really a party it was like a like a cocktail reception I don't
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know what you call it yeah reception reception it was very nice rooftop of
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Macworld's building beautiful scenario but they had a lot of work to do I guess
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because of you know WWDC week and there was all sorts of editorial content Snell
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had a couple of tickets to the Giants game and he couldn't use him and he was
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trying to give him away and Paul and I thought about taking him in fact Paul
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Paul even had them in his hand.
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And we were going to go to the game.
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And I decided not to go because my wife didn't want to go.
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And my wife was there.
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And I thought, you know what?
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I don't want to--
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I came out here with her.
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I'll stick with her.
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I'll skip the--
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I don't want to go to the ball game.
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I'll go wherever she's going.
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And then, I don't know, Paul--
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I don't know if he couldn't find anybody else to go with him.
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But we were like-- gave him back to Jason.
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We went to dinner at--
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I forget the name of that place.
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Something-- it was a tequila-type Mexican place
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near the ballpark.
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And the guys at the bar were really, really--
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or the game was on, and they were really rowdy.
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And it didn't make any sense, because the Giants were up like 3-0.
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And then the guy caught a fly ball, and the bar went nuts.
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And I just looked at Paul.
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I was like, there's no way that catching a fly ball makes the bar go nuts
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and we both look at each other.
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It's a no-hitter.
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And then we immediately went over and it ends up
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it was a perfect game, right?
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It was a perfect game.
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Well, yeah, we kept, and then we kept,
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we went someplace else, and we walked down the street.
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Every bar that we were passing,
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we kept like ducking in to look at the baseball game,
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'cause it was on all the TV screens
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that pretty much crossed town.
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- Right, Matt Cain pitched a perfect game,
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and we had tickets in our hand.
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- And then the next day, Paul and I went to,
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we had lunch with some of our friends
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who work on the MLB app, MLB at bat app.
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And we started, we were like, you know,
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of course we were talking about the perfect game,
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and Paul was like, you know, we had tickets in our hand.
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And the MLB guy's like, oh, we were there.
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- Of course they were. - Right.
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They just get, they have a cool deal
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where they can pretty much just walk,
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there's like an entrance, you know,
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like some kind of VIP entrance,
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and they've got like a badge,
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and they can just, any time they're in any town,
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they can just kinda walk into a ball game.
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Which is kinda awesome. - That's the thing, man,
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that's the thing to do, is to, you know,
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get into the thing that you like.
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And I think about this and that's a perfect example.
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Another example for me is like the people who work
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on ComiXology, which is the comics app.
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It's like you know how to code, you know how to design
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and you make yourself a comic selling app
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and it becomes a huge hit that is actually the backend
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for both of Marvel and DC's own apps.
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It's the same, it's just a rebranding of the Comixology app.
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And then, and I just wrote an article for the magazine
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about these guys who are doing Minecraft YouTube videos.
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- I saw that on your website, I was gonna,
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let's talk about it.
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- Yeah, so there's all these,
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my son's been playing Minecraft for like a year and a half,
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more than, a little more than a year and a half probably now.
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And-- - And how old is Hank?
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- He's 10. - All right.
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Same age as Jonas. - Yeah.
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And pretty soon, I don't know if there's some sort of noise
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that goes out that adults can't hear,
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or how the kids find out about going to YouTube.
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I guess they'd start searching Google
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to try and figure out different things to do with Minecraft.
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And they come up, and almost all this stuff
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is done in YouTube videos, which originally just drove me
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absolutely berserk.
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Because every time I was trying to help him with something,
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I wanted something that was just like a text doc,
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a page that would tell me what to do.
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But they're all YouTube videos.
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And so you have to watch a YouTube video
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to figure out how to do this stuff.
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But the people that make these,
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because of the incredible success of Minecraft,
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the people who make these videos,
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a lot of these people have done incredibly well as well.
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And some of them are just like
00:55:41
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videos of these guys playing the game.
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- And just having a good time.
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I mean, this one guy, Joseph Garrett,
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who lives in the UK,
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has two, he just passed two million subscribers on YouTube
00:55:57
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and has, I believe, over 800 million views of his videos.
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- Isn't he the guy, he goes by like a--
00:56:04
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- Stampy. - Stampy, right.
00:56:06
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And I remember reading about him somewhere
00:56:08
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and I just said, "Hey, Jonas, have you ever heard
00:56:09
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"of this guy Stampy?"
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And he was like, "Of course."
00:56:12
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- Yeah, good Stampy, yeah, everybody knows Stampy.
00:56:15
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- He acted as though I said,
00:56:16
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"Have you ever heard of this guy, President Barack Obama?"
00:56:20
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He was like, oh yeah, Stampy, he's pretty good.
00:56:24
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And he-- so the Daily Mail tried to figure out
00:56:30
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how much this guy was making.
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Because Google pays you--
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you can make something like $7--
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that's like an average for $7 per 1,000 views.
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And at 800 million views, that starts adding up.
00:56:48
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So the Daily Mail tried to figure out what he was making.
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They think he makes between something like $80,000
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and $800,000 a month.
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Somewhere between.
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Grosses that.
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And then Google takes like half of it,
00:57:01
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and then he works with a network that does promotion
00:57:04
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and stuff like that.
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And they take a cut too.
00:57:05
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So he's not pulling in that much,
00:57:07
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but his channel could be grossing anywhere between $80,000
00:57:13
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and $800,000 a month.
00:57:14
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Right, and if it's at the high end of that,
00:57:17
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Even if he's only keeping a quarter of it, I mean, that's really, really good money.
00:57:22
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So, and he's not the – I mean, there's a relatively small list of people who are
00:57:28
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at the top of that game, but they're all doing pretty well.
00:57:33
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It is, but it's – and it's an amazing phenomenon, and it really is – it's inevitable,
00:57:40
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as we rocket towards old age, that there's going to be something that the damn kids are
00:57:44
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into that you just don't get. It's like Steve Allen on The Tonight Show making fun of rock
00:57:52
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and roll lyrics, right? And it's like, I don't wanna be that guy. I don't wanna be Steve Allen
00:57:57
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making fun of the rock and roll lyrics. I wanna keep an open mind. I don't think I'm ever gonna
00:58:01
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watch these videos myself, but I do wanna keep an open mind. The thing that gets me with Jonas is,
00:58:07
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Two things that get me is one, he'll watch the videos while he's playing.
00:58:12
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So he's got Minecraft running on his MacBook, and he's playing while he's watching videos
00:58:22
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on either an iPad or his iPhone.
00:58:26
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And he's doing both.
00:58:26
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Hank does exactly the same thing.
00:58:28
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And he, a lot of times he'll just put one earbud in.
00:58:36
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And then sometimes he just breaks out in the most riotous laughter. I mean, just like nothing else
00:58:43
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ever makes him laugh like that. Ever. It is... And it makes me jealous. It's the type of laughter
00:58:49
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where it's like, I need to know what's that funny. And...
00:58:53
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I watched... So I sat down with... I guess I had never watched one of them through myself. I just,
00:58:59
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you know, had seen him over Hank's shoulder. And I watched one of these ones where it was just like,
00:59:03
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It was Stampy and a couple of his friends and they're playing this like Hunger Games
00:59:06
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online Hunger Games version of Minecraft where you know you go around and and
00:59:11
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You know eventually the goal is basically to kill
00:59:14
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everybody else and
00:59:17
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And it's him and two of his friends and then all these other people that they don't know and and they you know and like
00:59:23
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The Hunger Games they work together
00:59:25
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As a pack for a while and then it gets down to the end and they have to kill each other
00:59:30
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And it was just in it and it was weirdly
00:59:32
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Kind of infectious to me just like because they were having such a good time just watching them
00:59:38
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But you know by the I thought maybe I like I'll turn it off after a few minutes
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But it was like it's like 20 minutes to a half an hour. I watched the whole thing. I
00:59:45
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Mean, I haven't gone back to watch any of them since then but still it's like it's kind of
00:59:49
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It is kind of enjoyable just watching somebody have a good time. Yeah, and that's what I guess that's what it's about
00:59:55
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Have you seen the guy I forget his name, but he's a guy who?
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who is every day he plays some Minecraft and records it and he narrates, he just talks
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into a microphone and he's trying to get to the end of the world.
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Oh yeah, yeah. I didn't mention that, I forgot, I forgot to, I should put that guy in the
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article, I forgot to mention him but yeah he's just, there's a, so there's a, there's
01:00:21
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a upper limit to how big a world Minecraft can make. But it's huge.
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And he's been playing--
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- And it used to, when Mind
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do this for like 22 years.
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And but there's also like a bug where it like increasingly like the further he goes he's
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gonna see more glitches happening.
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Yeah yeah yeah.
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And his his his avatar in the game has like a wolf who follows him around he's got like a like
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pet dog. Yep. And I don't know and it's just fascinating to me and so he that's
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what he does is every day he just hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
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hours of him just heading I don't know if he's going north walking yeah just
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going in the same direction right and just talking you know about random stuff
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and you know and when the game gets interesting when he's like attacked or
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something like that you know he'll narrate his his action and he's got
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tens and maybe even millions, I don't know, of followers.
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- Yeah, he probably does.
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And he's probably, it's probably gotta be
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in the millions by now.
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'Cause he's been featured in a few things, so yeah.
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- So to me, it speaks to two things.
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It's this, and that's what, you know,
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I'll put a link to your attention mining article
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and the thing, I think it's well worth reading.
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But to me, it's this intersection of A, Minecraft,
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which is genuine phenomenon.
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And I think it's an unbelievable game.
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I don't play it, but I know enough from watching Jonas
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that I think it's--
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- I play it a lot with Hank.
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I mean, I've got a server we run at home,
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and so he'll say, "Hey, come on, play with me."
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And so we play on the server, and it's fun.
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- Yeah, but it's more than, you know,
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because you actually do build things, it to me is--
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- It's really creative.
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- It really is.
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It's not just, you know, like when we were kids,
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and it'd be like, "Come on, Mom, buy me a computer.
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"I'll use it for learning."
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Yeah. And the other day we--
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And learning was learning to memorize the maps in Bard's Tale.
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Yeah. Yeah, right. The other day he had--
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and this was-- so there are all these modifications that you can install.
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And he had read about this one-- or probably not read about it.
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I'm sure he had seen a video about it. So he got the mod and he installed the mod himself.
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So that's the other thing. He's learning about, like, how to install all this stuff
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and learning about the back end and what goes where.
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And so he knows how to do all this stuff in the Finder.
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And I don't think he-- they've changed it since the last year
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So you used to have to unpack jar files, and then move files
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in, and then recompress the jar file and put it back.
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And I think it's much less difficult than that
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now, because they changed the infrastructure a little bit.
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But it's all Java, which is ridiculous.
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I mean, if you had told me that I'd be playing a Java game,
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never would have believed you.
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But he got this one that allowed you to put a passcode
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on your door of your house.
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So that's one of the things that you do,
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is you build a house to protect yourself
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from monsters and stuff.
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And he wanted to do this thing where you
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put a passcode on the house.
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And I went to the website that had
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the instructions for the mod.
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And it's a little program.
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So you build a computer in Minecraft
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using different parts.
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And then you put the computer in the wall of your house
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and connect it with this line to the door.
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And then you have to type in a little program
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to basically tell the door to open and close
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and what the password is.
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And so I sat down with him and he worked together
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to type this little program in.
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And then he quickly learned how to change the password, where
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the password was in the little quotes.
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and then how to change the timer setting for how long the door was open.
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So I sat down with him for a little while, showed him how to do that,
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and then he spent another hour or so just playing
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with the different parameters and stuff like that.
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But he's actually learning to program.
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But he's coding, yeah.
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So he's in this game, and he's actually writing a program.
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Unbelievable.
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But the other aspect is the YouTube angle, which is the way that YouTube is--
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I mean, we all watch YouTube videos, but the way kids use it is so different and so much
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more pervasive.
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It's effectively their TV.
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And I know that sounds trite, but in a way that when I was 10 years old, I watched as
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much TV as I could get away with.
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It was just what we did, right?
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I mean, you'd try to come home from school, and if you could, if your parents would let
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you turn on the TV and just watch whatever was on, right? Just keep flipping, flipping
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around the channels until you found the most interesting thing you could find, which even
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if it wasn't interesting, I'd watch.
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Sure. You had to have something on.
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What else were you going to do?
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I mean, I've watched, like, I know for, I guarantee you, I have seen every episode of
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The Brady Bunch at least three times, because at one point it was like four o'clock, the
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best thing that was on TV was Brady Bunch reruns. It was a horrible show. I
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knew it was a horrible show. I don't think I ever once genuinely laughed at a
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single gag, but I watched anyway because it was on. And I feel like for kids today
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it's, you know, he would never waste time. Jonas would never waste time just
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watching something stupid because he could be watching a YouTube video or a
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Minecraft video on YouTube that he finds fascinating.
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Yeah, but for Hank, it's also been like a gateway to a whole bunch of other YouTube
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videos that are crap.
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Oh, absolute.
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But crap that they find captivating.
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Yeah, they find hysterical.
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Yeah, I mean, this is that one.
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Some of it's kind of funny.
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It's that one guy who does the drive-through pranks.
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Oh, I don't know that.
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He's a magician, and he does some good.
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He does some cool tricks.
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He'll go up to like the...
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Almost always, he's just like punking some fast food place.
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And he goes up and he'll order something
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and then he'll have three $1 bills in his hand
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and they'll go, "It's a 450."
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He's like, "Oh, oh, shoot, I've only got $3 here."
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And they go, "Oh, hang on a second."
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And he just lifts up the $3 bills
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and smacks them back down on his hand
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and they turn it a fives.
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And the reactions, it's like the reactions
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from the clerks at the McDonald's or whatever it is
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are always the best part.
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Just like, "What?"
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What are you-- how did you-- gay, come over here.
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Watch this again.
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And then he does a thing where they like drive-through.
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He covers himself up.
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He had built a fake car seat.
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And he reclines his car seat and lies down and puts the fake car
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seat there and drives the car up.
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I think I've seen that.
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He orders something, and then there's nobody in the car,
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and the car pulls up.
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I've seen that one.
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It's all stuff like that.
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And some of them are better than other ones, but some of them
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are pretty funny.
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And it's also a sign that YouTube is--
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and I guess I'm late to the game on this,
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but it's a real business for people.
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Clearly it is for Stampy.
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Right, but there's a lot of--
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Because he was working in a pub a year ago
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and working minimum wage.
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And it didn't really take off immediately.
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It took him a long time.
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This other guy, Daniel Middleton,
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who's the diamond minecart of Minecraft.
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He had another channel where he did Pokemon videos.
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And he had that for like three years
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and ended up with like 10,000 followers or something
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I think I had the right--
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I think I had the guy right.
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Anyway, one of the guys that I wrote about.
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And then suddenly he switched to Minecraft.
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And now he's up to like a million and a half or more.
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I wonder, does Google, when they announced their--
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I don't think that they do, but I wonder if when they announced their quarterly finances,
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do they break YouTube apart?
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And if not, it would be interesting to me to know.
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Because obviously for a lot of these people who are making these videos, it's meaningful
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It's not just a fluke.
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For a lot of people, it can be like that's their job is making YouTube shows and that
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the ads pay a living wage or more.
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But in the aggregate, does Google's cut of that
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turn out to be significant to Google?
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I think it probably does.
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I think it's, you have to start thinking about YouTube
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as not just being successful in terms of aggregate eyeballs,
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but that it's actually a successful acquisition financially.
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You know, that it would,
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didn't make a lot of sense to me at the time,
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'cause I just thought, well, how can they make money,
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you know, the bandwidth costs are,
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gotta be exorbitant, but, you know,
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I think it's actually turned into a real thing.
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- It would be interesting, nobody, it's hard,
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it's so, this stuff is so hard to track
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that you don't have a good sense
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of where all the money is going,
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because, you know, Marco wrote that piece
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a week or two ago about how he was just
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basically giving up on ads.
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- On his site, 'cause it just wasn't worth the trouble
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for him anymore, and he wasn't getting enough money,
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I mean, he wasn't getting that much money.
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And it does seem like, I've heard that other places as well,
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that website advertising is becoming,
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is drying up a little bit,
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but podcast advertising is like a boomtown right now.
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And so YouTube seems to be the same way.
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- Let me tell you about Warby Parker.
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- Speaking of podcast advertising.
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Warby Parker is a new concept in eyewear founded with a rebellious spirit and a lofty objective
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to create boutique quality, classically crafted eyewear at a revolutionary price.
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It's a collaboration between Foreclose Friends.
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It was conceived as an alternative to the overpriced and bland eyewear available in
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most retail eyewear stores.
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eyewear simply should not cost three, four, five hundred dollars. The industry is controlled
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by a few large companies and they've kept prices artificially high. If you've ever thought,
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"Hey, why do glasses cost this much?" Well, it's because they shouldn't cost that much.
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So by circumventing traditional channels and engaging with customers directly right through
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their website, no retail overhead, although they do have some retail locations now, but
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you don't have to use them. Warby Parker is able to provide
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higher quality, better looking prescription eyewear at a
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fraction of the price. So you get better glasses, and you pay
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less. There's a special page just for the talk show, you can
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go to warby Parker comm slash the talk show. And glasses start
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at just $95. Really cool. And you think, well, how am I going
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to buy glasses online? Easy. They have this try at home
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program. So you go there, you can browse through the glasses
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that they have, you can say here's what I think it would
01:11:59
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look like they've even got like a little online thing where you
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can use your webcam on your computer to they'll take your
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picture and sort of show you what the glasses would look like
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on your face. You're not going to buy them like that just on
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the picture, but maybe it'll give you an idea of which frames
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you're interested in. You pick five pairs that you're
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interested in. And they ship those five pairs to you, you try
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them on in your own home. You can look in the mirror, you can
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get your friends, your significant others to say, hey,
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there's that's the one that looks good on you. Then you send
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them back, tell them which one you want. And then they'll send
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them back to you with the actual prescription lenses right in
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there. Couldn't be easier, super easy, unbelievable selection,
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and you can't beat the price starts at just $95. So go to
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warby Parker comm slash the talk show. And you can get started.
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They have everything they have sunglasses anything anything you want glasses. Do you have prescription glasses?
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I do but I almost never wear them. I
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Wear contact lenses. Yeah, that's what I wear contact lenses and I've got a I've got I'm pretty practically blind without them
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but I bought I've so the last pair of glasses I bought was like 15 years ago and
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They were I mean they were like over a thousand dollars. They were real if they were fashionable. They were really nice
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They're really good glasses, but they were
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They were really fucking expensive - I definitely the next time I'm gonna go with Warby Parker. Oh, absolutely
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Yeah, I know I forget how long how old my current glasses are, but they're pretty old
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I don't think they're quite ten years old, but it's probably close probably like eight years old
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And I know that I paid over $600
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Yeah, and and that's knowing I bought them knowing that I don't wear glasses
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usually it's you know if I'm sick or something or you know like if I'm flying sometimes I won't put my contacts in because it's a
01:13:53
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Prefer not to sleep in the context so if I'm gonna try to sleep on the plane
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I'll just wear my glasses stuff like that, but I don't really you know
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I wouldn't say I don't care what they look like, but I didn't want to spend 600 bucks on
01:14:05
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Yeah, but it didn't seem anyway around at least back
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Then it was and I think that's one of the things about Warby Parker right is they they all come with the coding
01:14:14
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Yeah, no, it's no upsell on any of that stuff. Yeah get the anti-reflective lenses and you know
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It's like you when you'd go to it when I when I went it was such a total upsell scam. It was like right
01:14:24
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Here's what they call our psych by an it's going to car dealership, right?
01:14:27
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It was like the the regular lenses are made out of the material
01:14:30
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They made that the the first iPod nano out of we're like your fingernail can scratch it
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It's like yeah, you don't want these lenses. They're they're made out of like a putty
01:14:39
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And it's like no, I guess I don't want those lenses and they're like you want these lenses there
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They've actually gotten it, you know, they're scratch proof and it glare proof and oh and it cost 300 extra dollars
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Years long long time ago I had I
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Found a pair and my grandfather's house. I found a pair of my dad's old glasses from when he was like in high school
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, and I took the frames and had had new prescription for them. So I wore those for a while
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Yeah, those were just really cool. But then eventually they broke they were just they were - yeah, they were from the
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From the 40s, right?
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Used to be you know
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The glasses were actually of course glass and it was like if you've ever found like an old pair of glasses like that
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They were incredibly heavy
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because that's like it's not just like you can get glass sunglasses if you don't have prescription lenses and they're not they're heavier than
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Plastic lenses, but they're not super heavy because they're they're not prescription
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but the prescription makes them thicker and yeah like at the time I did I had I had to have glass put into those because
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They were too small for my prescription was so bad right then they I guess they hadn't invented like the super thin
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I mean they hadn't the technology with the plastic wasn't good enough to think it actually make
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The lens is small enough to put in those old frames so they'd use class right like and it's you know
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It's like a cliche that somebody has coke
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But they're all it was yeah, I think my vision is probably bad enough for if I had been around 40 years ago 50 years ago
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I would have had like inch the inch thick
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We've been terrible
01:16:12
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What else is going on we got to the Microsoft Office came out this week for the iPad yeah, which is a pretty big news
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I forget who said it and I should have remembered, but somebody said that they've
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They've decided to give up on world domination and and settle for relevance, which is a little
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Little harsh, but it's sort of true
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I think you know because I think you could try and dominate in a different way really right
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You're not you're dumb. You're trying to dominate with your with your apps rather than trying to dominate with your
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operating system
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Because it's really the you know, that's I guess the big question everybody has why did it take so long and
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And I think that the best explanation, I think it's probably more complicated.
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You know, I'm sure that internal to Microsoft, it's a long, long story.
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But I think, you know, you could probably sum it up as Steve Ballmer didn't want to have Office on the iPad
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because he didn't want to give the iPad any more credence in the business world.
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They had, I mean he, I mean I'm assuming that it was him for the most part, just, that whole
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marketing scheme of making everything Windows was just, I think, dumb.
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It was at waffle.com.
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Waffle.wootest.net.
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I'll send a link in the show notes.
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I'll actually do show notes this week.
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And then the other thing, wait, actually I'm not sure if this actually happened, but Mary
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Jo Foley had heard that they were going to change Windows Azure to Microsoft Azure.
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That makes sense to me.
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Yeah, makes perfect sense.
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That is going to, if it's true, it would be announced next week at MOSCOD.
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You know what's actually funny about that?
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I'll tell you what's funny.
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So I missed Macworld.
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Yeah, I know what's funny.
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I'm actually going to be at at build next week. I will be that San Francisco. And there
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is a very good chance that I'm going to, I'm going to have an episode of the talk show
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that I'll be hosting live from build. But I think it's only going to be for build attendees.
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So those of you listening who are going to build, I don't know how it's going to turn
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out because I don't do I do you know does anybody who who's going to attend
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build listen to the talk show I don't know I've been told that it should be
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well attended I'm kind of fearful that it's going to be like three people in
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the audience but anybody who is listening right now to these words
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before or during build I think on Thursday what's the date gonna be on
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Thursday Thursday the 3rd of April I believe I'm gonna have a live episode of
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the talk show from build in Moscow.
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- And this is not an April Fool's Day joke.
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- This is not an, I don't do April Fool's Day jokes.
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So stay tuned and listen, I guess I'll post it
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on Daring Fireball when I get the final.
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- And is Brent gonna be with you?
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- Brent should be with me.
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Brent Simmons, colleague at Q Branch.
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But yeah, that's what I saw Mary Jo Foley's report on that.
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makes sense to me that it's gonna you know they're gonna stop using and this
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to me couldn't be more clearly a sort of look this was sort of Balmer's thing
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that everything gets called Windows whether it has anything to do with
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Windows or not and I think with Azure it's actually maybe the worst case of
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that ever because and you know and her explanation for it and it makes total
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sense to me is it actually puts the wrong message in developers minds where
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you're thinking, well, Windows Azure must be something for people.
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For Windows.
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You know, whether you're writing PC Windows or Windows Phone, it's some kind of cloud
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thing for Windows developers, where it's really not.
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It is absolutely, could not be more platform agnostic.
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It is just a way to run code in the cloud.
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And you can, you know, program in whatever you want.
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You're not programming, you know, and using Windows programming languages, unless you
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want to you know and but you could just use node.js or anything so calling it
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Microsoft Azure I think is a smart move yeah and it just it seems like you yeah
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I mean an Apple I feel like you know did that right with the iPhone or is it's
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not you know it's not the Mac phone it's something completely different and you
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You also bring in people who might have had a negative connotation with your previous
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It's a whole new, it's a whole fresh start.
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Yeah, it's a perfect analogy really that calling it the Mac phone, whether you think it's a
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good name or not.
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But even let's say that Mac phone, let's just say that hypothetically we all agree that
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it's a cool name in theory.
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It would still would have been a terrible idea, I think marketing wise because like
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Like you said, it might have made people who've always thought, "Well, the Mac is this weird
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computer that's not like my computer and I don't get it."
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I think it's got compatibility problems with my stuff.
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Give it a new name and let it be its own thing.
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And it starts with a first place.
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It's funny that they did that with the iPod.
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Because at the beginning, it was really Mac only.
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And it wasn't until later.
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it famously, as we now know in hindsight, that Steve Jobs wanted to keep it Mac only.
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It wasn't like they had the idea, or at least Jobs didn't have the idea right from the start
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that they would eventually expand to Windows compatibility with the iPod.
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But they still gave it its own name, which I think was smart.
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CB; Yeah, so it seems like there was maybe it was just like a general mindset in the
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industry in the early 2000s that you had to push all of your platforms at the same time
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and luckily Apple got out of that mindset and Microsoft is only now getting out of it.
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I'm super, you know, there's a couple of reasons I'm going to build but I really do, I just
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have like this sort of sixth sense like spidey sense that it's going to, that it, the CEO
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change at Microsoft is is a really big deal and I think that it's you know that
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we really are going to see exciting new stuff from Microsoft and that's truthfully
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you know for the first time since I've been doing this stuff during fireball
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and the talk show you know this the last ten years or so I am so much more
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interested in what Microsoft is up to then at any point in that whole era
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Right. And I've had a very big change in my outlook just within the past six months because six months ago I was kind of, you know, Apple stock does what Apple stock does and Microsoft stock was still like inching up even though they effectively had no CEO.
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And to me that was just and it seemed like the coverage was just sort of like, well, they'll come, they'll have a CEO soon.
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And like if it had been Apple without a CEO, you wouldn't be able to move without, you know, under the avalanche of negative stories that would have been out there.
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And yet somehow it seemed like nobody really was that bothered by the fact that Microsoft didn't have an actual CEO.
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so I I thought the outlook for the company was
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possibly extremely negative and
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The fact that they've picked who they picked I think is has turned out pretty well so far anyway. Yeah, I agree
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And I think that I get the feeling that build is going to be
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Satya Nadel is coming out party I
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Mean who knows I could be wrong and it could be like the most boring keynote ever where they?
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don't really have much new to announce and and
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Whatever, but I kind of get the feeling like no I kind of feel like no this is a big deal. Yeah, I
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Feel like maybe there'll be a lot to talk about next week
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That's stuff that we don't even know yet because it's they've they're keeping it under wrapping in our wraps
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I don't know. It's it's exciting though to me that there's that they're
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Sort of like a slumbering giant that's woken up
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I'm waiting for the first person to write this story about how it's a bad sign that you didn't go to Mac world and
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You're going to build
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Yeah, I hope nobody makes a big deal because ideally I would have gone to both. It just I had like a
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The new dates for Mac world just didn't work out with a previous commitment of family thing
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But see if Dan lines were still writing about Apple that would have been written already. I wonder I
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Don't know. I hope not. I wouldn't read into if I could have I would have gone to both
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It's just a unusual coincidence, but I do feel like it's it is sort of an interesting sign of the times though
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I don't know. I think it's kind of interesting that I'm that I'm miss Mac world and I'm going to
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To build well if it would be I the more a comparable thing would be
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WWDC right rather than Mac world, right?
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Have you looked at the office for iPad apps I
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I looked at them briefly.
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I haven't paid for 360 yet and I don't really plan to.
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Yeah, I did download them just to see what they look like.
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And they look a little similar to what
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they did for the Surface, which I think was pretty good.
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I was surprised when the Surface came out
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that it was actually that much different
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than the desktop versions of the regular old desktop
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versions of Office.
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And it looks like I mean they look like.
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They're fine.
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Yeah, they look like real iPhone.
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I don't have any.
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I don't have any need for them anymore.
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Yeah, that's the thing is I don't use a word processor anymore.
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Yeah, and I don't know.
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I mean other than using it for and I've been yapping about this for a while, but other than using them for business.
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Like if you work in an office that uses office then sure it makes sense because you might want to do some editing, do some work on an iPad.
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But I don't if I was just a consumer, I don't know why I would pay that much money.
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I mean, you know, people don't make are people really printing out those newsletters anymore?
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I don't know. It's interesting. So the basic idea is it's the four apps,
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there's four apps that comprise Office for iPad, it's Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote.
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So they're free downloads, but as free downloads, all they can do is read only.
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And you can – if you save your documents to your – what's it called?
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The OneDrive.
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I think that's another thing that they changed the name of.
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Wasn't it called like Windows Drive or something?
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Now they just call it OneDrive.
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That's OneDrive, yeah.
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Which is sort of like their Dropbox/iCloud, sort of like a middle ground between iCloud
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Dropbox you can read only and but it's it's as far as I can tell and I haven't seen anybody
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dispute it it's it's really good fidelity it's not you know you know and I guess you run into
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issues with fonts and stuff like that just like you do with the the iWork apps where on your Mac
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you can have all these oh right whatever fonts you want but if you stick to you know the Microsoft
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fonts and it's like the apps have those fonts embedded to the I don't I forget
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all the names of them but the standard modern times New Roman well but they've
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got like some ones the ones that all start with okay like the letter C I
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think but which it makes it confusing but anyway if you stick to those fonts
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you know they open up and they work and it's you know I to me that's an
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interesting model that it's read-only is completely free and then you have to
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it's like 100 bucks for a subscription and then you can unlocks the you know full
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so there's two there's like a professional there's a 360 professional thing which is
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ten bucks a month but then there's like a there's a how like a household where what's the consumer
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whatever the consumer is which is gonna be a little bit less per month I think right and I
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I don't know.
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It'd be interesting to see how that works out for them.
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Yeah, $10 a month for 360, home premium $7 for personal.
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One thing I did notice is that when you sign into one with like your Microsoft account,
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as soon as you sign into one of those apps, you're signed in in all of them, which is
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interesting sandbox-wise.
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it has something to do with I'm sure it has something to do with the do you
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remember the thing a couple months ago where when text expander stopped working
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with iOS 7 yeah because they were using like a I forget what they were using but
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it was like a shared folder we talked about it on the show yeah right they
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were using something that was not exactly what it was designed for right
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It was like shared clipboards or something like that.
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And it was-- what-- text expander wasn't the reason it got shut down, but other less scrupulous
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things like ad networks were using it to track stuff across apps, so Apple closed it.
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But the one thing that they left open was that apps from the same developer can use
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a shared clipboard.
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And it must be how Microsoft is doing that, where once you sign into live.com in Word,
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when you open Excel you're already signed into the same account and I you
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know I'm sure that there's other companies you know like a like the Omni
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group or something like that could probably maybe they do use it because
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they have a whole suite of applications but it's you know it just it's cool that
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it works but it just shows though that it's it still kind of stinks that
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there's no way for apps from two different developers to work together
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the way that Mac software's always, you know,
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it's always been such a cool community where, you know,
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different developers can integrate with each other
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and you still can't do that on iOS.
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But it's kind of cool, it stuck out to me
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that the Office apps have some kind of shared functionality
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- And you can buy the subscription through the app.
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- Yes, that's interesting too.
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- You don't have to.
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So like all the enterprise licenses
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will not be bought through the app, of course,
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because they already have one.
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So they just put in whatever their login is.
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- Right, so if you've already got a paid level of account,
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when you sign into the app,
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it's just the full read-write functionality
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will be there for you.
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But if you do buy it through the app,
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and then this is apparently,
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famously this leaked out in the press
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from a year maybe even longer ago,
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that Microsoft somehow didn't wanna have to pay
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the 30% App Store revenue share.
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But they're just, you know, they are.
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Now, if you do the in-app purchase to sign up for it, it's a regular in-app purchase
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just like any other developer and Apple gets 30% of it.
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Which is interesting.
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I wonder how much that's gonna amount to.
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I don't know.
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It looks like, you know, and it's hard to say.
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That's to me.
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We'll never know.
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It looks the – and it's, you know, because it's one purchase.
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don't have to buy word separately from Excel you buy a 365 subscription and if
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you have a active 365 subscription the apps are unlocked for reading right all
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of them but they show up if you look at the best top grossing list for iPad they
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show up from which app the purchase was made in so if you make the purchase in
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Word, it Word gets the credit in the top grossing list. And they're all listed, they're all,
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you know, none of them are at the top of the top grossing, but they're all, you know, last
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I checked I think Word was like number four. So it seems like in the aggregate, it's not,
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hasn't exactly set the app store on fire, but it seems, you know, seems pretty well
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received. I think the true test will be though, is it like a flash in the pan because there's
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There's so much pent up demand from people who've been waiting for this, or is it going
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to stay in the top of the list for weeks and months to come?
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And I wonder how renewals work.
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I guess renewals work the same way.
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So you could renew on Microsoft's site and not pay the—and Apple would not get that
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Or probably like a message pops up within the app that says you're running out of time,
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you need to renew, and if you do it through that, they do.
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Yeah, it's not, I mean the price is, you know, as far as Office goes, the price isn't too bad,
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assuming they keep up with the updating of it, because Office is so ridiculously expensive to
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begin with. I think there's like a student license that's like 110 bucks or something like that,
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but other than that, if like you're buying all those apps, it's still, it's ridiculous,
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you know, it's in the several hundreds of dollars. Yeah, but it, you know, again, if you're,
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Maybe like if your school has like a site-wide license,
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maybe there's some school, you know,
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some students who can just sign in
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and they've already got them.
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- It is, it does seem, it's a very different world
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than the old days when you used to buy a box.
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- Right, and it was crazy expensive, but I guess the way--
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- Yeah, I never bought word outside of a student license.
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- No, I don't think I did either.
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or and then later I got it from where I worked.
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So I'm interested, and as a non-expert in any of those apps,
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but just having downloaded them and poked around,
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they do feel like good iPad apps, really good.
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It doesn't feel like any--
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- Yeah, like that startup screen was very iOS-y.
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- You didn't start it up and say,
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and this was for us older users,
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was a big deal back in the 90s when they went from Word 5 to Word 6, I think, right?
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Where Word was originally Mac-only, coded specifically for the Mac, and then they tried
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to unify the code base with Word 6 and destroyed it.
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It was just like a memory hog.
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It was slow.
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It was crashy.
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It was ugly.
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And people stayed on Word like 5.1 for years until eventually they either went to something
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else or had to upgrade.
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Here's some of the fonts.
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I'm looking at the thing right now.
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Here's some of the Microsoft fonts.
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Calibri, Cambria, Kendara, Consolas, Constantia, Korbel.
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I think that to me that...
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Cordana is Cordana.
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No, not Cortana.
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I was trying to think of that.
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I've used that. I have that on my Mac because it's like their
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monospace font get it console us kind of console
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But I think that that naming scheme giving them all these these C names it it confuses the hell out of me
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I can't yeah, I immediately forget them all except console us
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But anyway, they really seem like good apps. I'm curious to see when the reviews, you know from people who are a lot more serious about
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office apps how they compare to
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obviously to pages, numbers, and keynote.
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In terms of--
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- I mean, in general,
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so they're stripped down versions
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of the regular Office apps.
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They don't have everything that the regular Office apps have,
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but from what I've seen,
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it seems like they're still more full featured
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than pages and numbers.
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- I think so.
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- And it's--
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- It's hard to tell.
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- Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
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And I mean, in Excel, it's just,
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I really don't see any need for word at all.
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But Excel is really like the defacto standard
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for spreadsheeting.
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- Yeah, but I also know, I do know,
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and it's just, you know, I'm sure there's, you know,
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everybody out there listening to the show
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is either gonna be like, what, that's crazy,
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or there's some of them who work in such companies
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and they're like nodding their heads,
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where there's still like a culture in a lot of companies
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where when you email somebody,
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It's like you don't put the message in the email,
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you send a Word document, right?
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You like type your thing, like a memo in a Word document,
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and then you email the Word document around.
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I mean, and I know that that's, you know, like I said,
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90% of the people listening to the show are like,
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that's crazy, and there's like 10% who are like,
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yeah, that's my company.
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And it can't, it has to be better to do it, you know,
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to actually have Word reading the document than Pages.
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even though I think Pages does a pretty good job with it.
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And especially if you've got to do stuff,
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you know, and I looked and they have the stuff
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like change tracking and stuff like that.
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- Yeah, actually, so yeah, I should take it.
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The change tracking, supposedly the change tracking
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in Word is really like a good cut above other options.
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- And it just seems like with these iPad apps,
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like they haven't glommed on,
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I can't speak to how similar it is
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to the versions for the Surface.
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I've seen some people say they're pretty similar.
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But it really does seem, they haven't given
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like the Mac and Windows app and just wrapped it
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in an iPad and here, now use your fat finger.
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It seems like they've really taken an opportunity
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to rethink how these apps should work
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for these sort of devices.
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- Yeah, and it seems like, clearly they've been around
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for a while.
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- Sitting on a drive someplace and then finally--
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- Right, well, but it seems like it's been active, yeah.
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I mean, there's been rumors that they've been ready to go
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or almost ready to go for a long time
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and that they were held up just by internal politics.
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Cough, cough, Steve Ballmer.
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- You know, whatever negotiations they tried to do
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to get around the 30% revenue share with Apple.
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But on the other hand--
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- So you, I mean, I guess the,
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seems like you could come to the conclusion
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the idea was that he was just he was thinking that he would get them to to budge on the 30 percent
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and then was deciding you know saying no forget it right and my guess is that they probably tried
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similar you know wanted to get an exception like uh
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like remember the early days with the kindle app where the candle would have like hey you want to
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go buy books hit this button and it takes you to safari and then you're in safari to buy your books
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at the kindles you know amazon's kindle store and you sign in with your account and then when you go
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back to the Kindle app because you're signed into the account, the new books show up. And
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Apple was like, "No, you can't put that button in there," which I still think is sort of
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spiteful. I feel like it would not hurt Apple to do that, but it's easy to say when you're
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not the one who can collect the 30% of everything. But I kind of get the feeling, like long story
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short, what Microsoft thought was, "Well, we're Microsoft, and why wouldn't they want
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office on the iPad, just let us have a button that'll take them to, you know,
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microsoft.com where they'll give us a hundred percent of the money. Right.
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Right. And I think Apple was like, no, we, we really do. We'd love to have,
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we'd rather have the 30%. Thanks. Yeah. We would love to have office on the iPad,
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but we will take the 30%. Uh, so it's funny.
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It's funny how, I mean, they're basically the ones who budged. Yeah.
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Microsoft is the ones who budged, but like there's this piece by Greg Kaiser,
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at Computer World.
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Says, "Nadella to cook on office revenue sharing drop dead."
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Which is exactly the opposite of what ended up happening.
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- When was that?
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- The other day, 20.
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- I'll have to link to that.
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I don't know, I think that's about it though for the week.
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Right, you got anything else?
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- How's your other podcast going?
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- Good, yeah.
01:41:16
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- Turning this car around.
01:41:17
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- Turning this car around.
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- I gotta tell you, I fell behind a couple episodes.
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I haven't been keeping up.
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But I loaded up--
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- So you've been doing some really lousy parenting.
01:41:27
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- Yeah, as always.
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But I did load it up, just since you were gonna be
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on the show, I loaded up your website,
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see what you had been writing,
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and I loaded up the podcast show.
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Gotta tell you, I wasn't ready to see Lex Friedman
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dressed up as Elmo.
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- Nobody ever is.
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- Really, really disturbing.
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And it's a knockoff Elmo too.
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- It's not even a real, that's not branded.
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- I'm pretty sure that they, you know,
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much like the Disney company,
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that they do not sell branded--
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- I guess not.
01:42:04
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- They're just leaving money on the table
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right there though.
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- No good can come of it.
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Yeah, you don't want a bunch of people
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running around in Elmo.
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- It's really a horrifying picture.
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So it's a place, there's a place I've taken out,
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I've put this on, I think Instagram a long time ago on,
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like, it's sort of like a South Tacoma way is,
01:42:25
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there's a Neko case song about South Tacoma way,
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but it's, you know, it's a lot of car dealerships
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and dive bars and stuff like that.
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But there's also like a dirty bookstore
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that's like, it's called Elmo's Books, I think.
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- Not a sponsor.
01:42:46
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- No, not a.
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We've had some unsavory sponsors.
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- Which I think is probably just a guy
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whose name is actually Elmo.
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Really wasn't ready for that.
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So anyway, turn, what's the website?
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- Turning this car around.
01:43:04
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And we now have the turning this car around URL, so.
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- Turning this car around.
01:43:08
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- It's no longer just some acronym.
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You can go to turningthiscararound.com.
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- Yeah, and go there, if you go there this week
01:43:16
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while the show, right here, this show is fresh
01:43:19
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and you'll see Lex Friedman dressed as Elmo
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and you will probably need an adult beverage afterwards.
01:43:25
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- Self after that.
01:43:27
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- Yeah, you're gonna either need to talk to somebody
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or you're gonna need a stiff drink.
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'Cause I mean, wow.
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John Moltz, what else you got?
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You got your very nice website,
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which is down as we report.
01:43:45
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- Well, it's down, your site is up, I just can't log in.
01:43:49
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So you can read what I published previously
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till I fix WordPress.
01:43:54
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- So we all have a new website.
01:43:55
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- That's another advertisement for Squarespace right there.
01:44:00
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- What did you say before we got on,
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we were talking about it, you logged in
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and just came up with a white page.
01:44:05
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- Just a blank page, yeah.
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Lets me log in, but then just shows,
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then like I can't get to the dashboard for some reason.
01:44:11
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- You know, it's a lot funnier
01:44:12
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because it's your website, not mine.
01:44:15
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I'm sure it's hysterical from where you're sitting.
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It always is.
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Yeah, have a good time in San Francisco.
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Yeah, and so remember, everybody listening.
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I drank all the gin, sorry.
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Oh, well, I'm going to have to move on to something else.
01:44:32
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You're probably not kidding, are you?
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Well, in certain places, I'm not.
01:44:37
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You know what's funny?
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Do you ever drink the other stuff, the Fernet?
01:44:41
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That's another thing that drives me nuts about San Francisco.
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- I know that Merlin likes the Fernet
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and so does our friend Albert McMurray.
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- And I know, and Merlin Mann is a genuine human being
01:44:52
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and he is, he truly, everybody out there knows who he is.
01:44:55
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He is so not full of shit.
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If he says he likes it, I know that he actually likes it.
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But I know, there can't possibly be true
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that most of the people drinking all that Fernet
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actually like it.
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It is-- - And that is, yeah,
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so that's something that runs out frequently at bars.
01:45:08
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- Oh my God, yeah, and it's like,
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Well, how can that possibly be?
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Like in Philadelphia, I would guess that most bars
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have like a 30 year old bottle of Fernet.
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And once in a while, some jackass from San Francisco
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comes in and orders some of it.
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I never even heard of this stuff until I went out there.
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And you go out to San Francisco and that's all they drink.
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Stuff is foul.
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- I think it's gross.