23: More Useful and Less Horrible, with Dan Frommer
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You had a good piece on the iPad mini. I thought that you ordered one, it showed up,
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you used it for a couple days, you wrote about it. What was the headline?
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Something like, "This is the real iPad," basically.
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Yeah. And I thought that really was like a bull's-eye. And don't you think that the
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consensus on that has been remarkably strong? Almost everyone who's responded has been like,
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- Yeah, totally, I agree.
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A few people think the bigger one is still the best one,
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but most people, I think, it's one of those things where,
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I don't know if you wrote it or someone,
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but once you feel it, you know.
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You use it for a few days and you're like,
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"Oh, my arm's not tired after holding this for five hours,"
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you know, something like that.
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I was just using it today out and about,
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And it's easy to tuck into a jacket pocket if I need to,
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or just in my backpack, you don't even know it's there.
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And it's great.
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- I think that what it will resurface though,
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I think as this idea that maybe this mini-size iPad
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is the one that's best for most people,
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as it starts to sink in, as more and more people
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get their hands on them and this idea resonates,
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it's going to resurface the argument
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about whether iPads are for creation or consumption or only consumption.
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I think the reason that for me it's a better form factor is that I personally do – and
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people want to call me a hypocrite for this, but I personally have always used the iPad
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mostly for consumption. Lots and lots of reading and occasionally video. Like baseball season,
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I watch a lot of video on the iPad. I think this is a great form factor for consumption.
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But I'm also a very strong proponent of the fact that there are a lot of people who are
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using their iPads as their computer to create stuff, to do work.
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And I think for them, that's the people who are still going to want the big iPads.
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Dave Asprey And I think that's absolutely true, and
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that's why they should continue to have multiple sizes of iPad.
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That makes sense.
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And I think it's a situation where, you know, when they released it two and a half years
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ago, they had no idea how many people would use it and what they would use it for.
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And it turns out that 100 million people have wanted to use it, and they use it for all
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kinds of different stuff.
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I assume your workflow is a lot like mine, where we really get the benefit from having
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a physical keyboard and multiple browser tabs open.
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But if someone is doing a lot of email and that's about it for work, the big iPad is
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a great laptop replacement.
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I tried to do my job on an iPad, it just wasn't cutting it.
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of the things that I do love using the iPad for reading in
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bed reading books, you know, I put on the machine when I'm at
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the gym, and I either watch video or I read or something
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like that. This new size is really perfect for that.
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Just walking around the house like I, you know, there's two
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spots where I do or you know, where I'm when I'm in my house,
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I'm either at my desk in my office chair, with my big boy
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keyboard and a Mac and my big display and I'm working. Or for
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For me, effectively, I'm anywhere else in the house.
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And it doesn't matter whether it's bed
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or whether it's the couch or whether I'm in the kitchen
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making coffee waiting for the water to boil
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and I'm just standing there.
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Any of those other spots, other than sitting
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in this office chair at my desk,
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the iPad Mini is a better form factor.
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I find when I'm standing up,
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it's really when it's just fantastic,
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just to have it in one hand.
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- And I'm standing right now, and I'm waving it around.
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Hopefully I won't hit something with it.
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- Oh, I completely agree.
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There's some little things though
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that I wanted to ask you about.
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So for example, stereo sound,
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which people made probably a little bigger deal
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out of it than they should have.
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It's not that big of a deal.
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But it's set up for portrait.
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But when I want stereo sound,
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I'm usually in landscape watching a video.
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Do you think that's intentional?
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Do you think there'll ever be a left and right sound
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for video, or is that just kind of stereo
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almost there by accident?
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that's actually curious and I actually didn't even know that I don't remember
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if they mentioned it on on in the event or what but I'm so used to our iOS
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devices being mono even though they all look like they've even I think all the
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way back to the original iPhone they all look like they have two speakers at the
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bottom but don't you can like on all the iPhones you can just cover up the one
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side I think it's usually the left side and then all the sound stops coming out
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the right side is like a microphone or something like that they just for
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aesthetic purposes make the two sides look the same. Well, it
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ends up with the iPad mini, they are both speakers. And I didn't
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know that until after my review came out.
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I don't think they mentioned it at all until it was in some
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articles told to some of the reviewers or I think Josh
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Topolsky at the verge was the one who called it out in his
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review. And it was funny. One of the funny parts about that is
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that Amazon has this is sort of infamous checklist up on their
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homepage, trying to favorably compare the Kindle Fire HD seven
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to the iPad mini and one of the things that they had up was stereo speakers and you know
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they had that as a check for them and an X for the iPad and iPad mini ends up it does
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have stereo speakers.
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I'm with you though that it doesn't really make much of a difference though.
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One of the reasons you know that stereo never really mattered on these devices is what's
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the difference if you have stereo sound if the speakers are only three quarters of an
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inch apart, right?
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If it's not actually wider apart than your head, you're not going to get a stereo effect.
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I mean, it's like people don't even seem to realize how stereo sound works.
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The thing for me has always been, as I'm watching video, which is probably, I would guess, at
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least a quarter of the time I spend with an iPad, I'm probably watching video or maybe
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somewhere in that range.
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I'm holding it in landscape mode and the sound is very clearly off to one side.
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It's not kind of pushing toward both ears.
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and I've kind of cup your hand to push it backwards almost
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so it becomes more neutral, but it's not at all.
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So that's where having one of those little speakers
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at what's effectively the top and the bottom of the device
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might be more useful, but I don't know,
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maybe that's weird.
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Then you got, how many speakers do you need,
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three or four or something like that?
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Then you're getting into Motorola territory.
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- Yeah, I guess, and I forget,
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certainly not the first person to speculate along these lines but as
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people realize that the mini does have stereo speakers I guess that it's to get
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them to increase the volume of sound I don't mean loudness I mean know that
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that with such a small device to get enough sound out of it it needs two
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speakers and if you're gonna have two speakers why not make them stereo sure
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Yeah, that makes sense. But I do kind of agree. And in fact, I'll just say this, as I say
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this, I've actually not even verified that it is stereo and it's not two speakers playing
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mono audio. I honestly don't even know. And like you said, most of the time when I'm listening
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to the speakers, it's because it's playing video. And if it's playing video, I'm holding
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it horizontally, in which case both speakers are on the same side, typically the right
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side because that's the side that that's where the speakers will go if you fold up the smart cover.
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And again, what's the point of having left and right stereo if both speakers are on the right
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side? Other than to increase the amount of actual sound coming out of this tiny little device?
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Yep. And then and then little weird question number two I had was so this this is using the
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effectively the same display panel as the iPhone 3GS,
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that pixels per inch level.
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So when they do assume they eventually have a Retina Mini,
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do they use the pixels per inch of the iPhone,
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which is higher than the iPad with Retina,
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or do they go to the iPad?
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Does the Mini all of a sudden have the best screen ever,
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and the iPad, the full-size iPad with Retina
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looks bad next to it?
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I don't know.
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- I don't think it will, though,
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that there's this sort of argument that once you're in that range, sure, you're going to
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look and you probably hold the bigger device a little further away from your face. But
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I don't think they would hesitate. No, the way that they will go retina is exactly the
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way they've done right now with all other devices, which is the physical size stays
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the same. And the pixels per inch doubles, which means that they'll switch to the exact
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same pixels per inch of as the iPhone and iPod touch.
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Makes sense. There's, you know, switching to the DPI of the big iPad makes no sense,
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then you'd have a different pixel count.
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Developers would have to actually resize,
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you know, do work on the app.
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Well, that's going to be amazing, then.
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That's going to be killer.
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Yeah, and then I also kind of wondered,
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obviously there's some leap in technology
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that let them make it so thin and light.
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It's not just that it's smaller,
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although that plays a role.
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But it's interesting to me,
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they did not take that step and make the bigger one
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the same kind of whatever that is at the same time, but I guess you know, alternate these
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things one year to the next. And yeah, I think that that is a good point. You have a great
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list of questions here, Dan, I've thought about a lot of this stuff. I think the explanation
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there is the ecosystem surrounding peripherals, which is okay, so a lot of people who've already
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bought the iPad three in the seven months where it was available or kind of butthurt
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about the fact that, hey, seven months later, or if you bought it, let's say you only
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bought it the damn thing in August or something like that, two months later, it's already
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been replaced by something twice as fast.
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And why would Apple do that, blah, blah, blah.
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But the one thing that they haven't done is disrupt any of the people making cases
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or covers or anything that is based on the physical dimensions of the device.
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Um, true, which there's a lot and that's, you know, Christmas is coming up. And that's
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going to be a big time for those things. Right. So I think and I think you'll be able to compare
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as we head towards the holidays here and Thanksgiving is ramping up as to which device
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has the most peripherals available for it, the full size iPad, or the iPad mini. And I think it's
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pretty clear it's going to be the full size iPad. Whereas if the iPad four was thinner, in addition
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to just being faster than the iPad 3, it would be stuck in the same boat as the iPad mini,
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and there'd be this dearth of peripherals available for it.
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That makes total sense. Are you using the smart cover with yours?
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Was it you who said you're just going to toss around in a bag, no cover?
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Well, I did write that. It's a little scary, right, the idea that this big screen… When
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I put it in my bag, I think I'll keep using the case, but like I had it in my pocket yesterday,
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I went to pick up dinner and I just went caseless.
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Like it was totally fine.
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It almost feels like this cover is almost unnecessary.
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It's so, it's not even that heavy or that bulky.
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It's just, I don't know.
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- I've been using it with the cover and I don't know,
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I don't know why.
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I'll tell you what, one reason why is that I do tend to,
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I tend to treat the loaner units from Apple
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even more carefully than I treat the ones
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that I've bought with my own money.
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because I don't know, it's like the Catholic guilt in me
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that I would feel absolutely horrible
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if I send this thing back to them in a week or two
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and it had like scratches on the glass.
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And you know what I mean?
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And I don't even know why that is because I know,
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it's not like I think that when you send these review units
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back to Apple that poor little Apple needs to,
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they really need every single one of these minis.
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- It goes right to the Apple store,
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right under the sales shelf.
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- But I don't know, it's just the way I am is if I've got,
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I always treat somebody else's thing in my possession better than I would even treat
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my own. That's just how I was brought up. If you've borrowed something from somebody,
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you'd really need to give it back to them in the exact condition that they gave it to
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you, whether it's your pal Dan who gave it to you or whether it's Apple, the $400 gazillion
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corporation. You treat other people's stuff with respect. So I keep the cover on it.
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But I do have to admit, though, that putting the cover on it does make me feel, though,
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that I'm missing out on the thinness, right, this remarkable thinness of it.
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- And it's not as dramatic as the first iPad
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with that huge neoprene wetsuit, but it's still.
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- And it's the same reason that I have never
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put my iPhones in a case, because I feel like--
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- Same here, yeah.
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And I almost think of this thing as more of like
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a big iPhone than a laptop or something like that.
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But we'll see, we'll see how it plays out.
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I obviously don't want the screen to scratch,
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that would be, or at least too much.
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The back is already a little scratched, but that's okay.
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I do think that the cover on this new smart cover folds over a little better than the
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original one does.
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But it's still…
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Especially on the new iPad 3/4, like that thing, mine falls off constant.
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I still feel though that when you have it folded over, that last panel, it's a little
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flippy-floppy.
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And when you're just sitting there reading something long for a long stretch holding
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the thing in your hand, it's better without a cover on.
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I did figure it out. This took me forever. I don't know why. It's one of those things
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that once you think about it, it seems very obvious. But it took me forever to figure
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this out was when the iPad first came out, I was very confused why they put the volume
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and mute toggle on the other side as opposed to making it like a big iPhone and putting
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them on the left. Of course, it's because when you put a cover on this thing, the spine
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is on the left and the buttons would be covered up.
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Yeah, you want it almost has those book style covers which I I think they make for the phone
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But I wouldn't but then that makes me wonder why they didn't why they didn't put those buttons on the right side of the iPhone
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to start hmm, I
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Don't know, you know what I bet there's an answer to that question though. I'm I'll bet there is too. I don't know
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But how do you think iOS shot, you know, does it come through on this thing it some of the like the home screen icons
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they feel like they could be a little bigger. But it seems like they've tried not to disturb
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the iPad flavor of iOS at all. It is pixel for pixel exactly the same. Like I don't think I
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honestly I haven't double checked with any of my developer friends. I don't even know if there is
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any supported way for an app to figure out that it's running on an iPad mini. You know that all
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All the app knows is that the screen is 1024 by 768.
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And the guidelines from Apple about laying stuff out
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is all about these points and that it's all the same.
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I really don't think Apple wants anybody
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to do anything different for the Mini
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than for the full-size iPad.
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- I think early on, I think you're right,
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I think Marco Arment was tweeting
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about trying to reverse engineer how to make that work.
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It's something like, does not have retina,
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something about the resolution and there was some other feature that yeah and
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maybe like something about the CPU performance or something I don't know
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there must be some there's probably some way that you can figure it out just by
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like deduction that if this and this and this then it has to be a mini it's not
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the iPad 2 and I could see you know an insta paper is a perfect app example
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where maybe the default font size should be a little bigger in terms of actual
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points on the mini than on the full-size iPad for a couple of reasons.
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A, the actual physical size of the screen, and then B, the fact that it's not retina
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means that you kind of want fonts to be a little bigger.
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So I could see that, but it seems like Apple doesn't want you to do that, and they haven't
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done anything like that.
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The home screen, I think, is exactly the same.
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Yeah, it works, though.
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Another thing I want to ask you about, if you don't mind, is some of the changes that
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you might anticipate that the new crew at Apple might put into iOS. One of the things
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I was thinking, is there any low-hanging fruit in terms of either where the iOS, where the
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OS itself goes, or not so much the whole, "Oh, are they going to de-skew a morph the
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de-skew-omorph the apps or anything like that, but would you expect that the experience itself
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is going to change dramatically in the next few years, or is it going to stay largely the same?
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Dave: I really don't know. I can see it both ways. My first instinct is to say I don't think it's
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going to change at all. I think that they've defined what this is. People are very comfortable
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with it. I think the reason that people are so happy switching to it in droves, and clearly,
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if you just look at the raw numbers, they're getting people who weren't previously Apple
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computer customers. They're getting people who are using Windows. I think it's this simplicity
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of experience that there just doesn't seem to be much that's hidden from you. I don't
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know how that could change very much. It just doesn't seem like there is much to change.
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- It seems like people have seen how radically Android
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has had to change itself just to make itself
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more useful and less horrible.
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But it seems like they want to force that notion
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of radical change onto Apple and iOS,
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which if you've been using a Mac for the last 20 years,
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there really isn't that much too different.
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There's the menu at the top, there's folders,
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there's Windows and that kind of stuff.
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It just seems like expecting that sort of radical change
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in the general area of the operating system
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doesn't make sense.
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- No, I don't think so either.
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And I also think that it really does matter
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what you start with conceptually as you evolve,
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because it's really hard to add things later on.
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And my favorite example of this,
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and I've talked about this, I don't know how long ago,
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but I know it was on the talk show.
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But my favorite example of that is the stuff that they introduced in Lion.
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I think it was Lion when they introduced Launchpad and Mission Control in Mac OS X.
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Do you use any of that stuff?
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No, not really.
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Yeah, me neither.
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And I think a big part of it is that they weren't there from the beginning and they're
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so they're sort of outside the original concept of what you're going to have and they just
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don't fit. And I'll go back further to spaces and I think now they don't really talk about
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spaces that much. They kind of consider that part of mission control. But spaces in Mac OS
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10 just have never worked as well as I think they do on other GUI systems that are designed
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from the get go to have multiple desktops. It just is never seems right to me what you
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know, is it the whole app is in this thing? Is it just the window? Just all seems kind
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of tacked on. And I'm not saying that it was a mistake to add it, but I'm saying it just
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shows how difficult it is to add conceptual level additions and changes to something once
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it's been set. And I feel like iOS is even simpler than the original Mac. It's just this
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basic idea of, you know, two, there's really just two levels.
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There's the home screen, which is a list of apps, and then you're in an app and the app
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gets the whole screen.
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And if you want to go back, you hit this big button at the bottom, and that's it.
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And there's a few exceptions to that.
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You know, there's the, when you're on the home, you go to the left of the first home
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screen and there's that spotlight search, which doesn't really, it's sort of outside
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those simple, simple rules of engagement.
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Where are you when you're doing that?
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But it doesn't seem to be confusing.
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It's worth stretching the rules of the thing.
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Siri is outside this simple rule that you're either at the home screen or in an app.
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But it's almost like an entirely separate mode to using your phone.
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I just don't see them changing that very much.
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And eventually it will get old.
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I don't know how long, though.
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I think it's got a lot of legs in front of it.
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I think that's right.
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One thing that I think about because it's kind of a personal problem in my house is
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sharing these things.
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Whether that's sharing an iPad that's kind of been retired and is now like the house
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iPad, and my wife and I have different email accounts and different accounts for other
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and then even just syncing multiple iPhones
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and iPads to the same Mac, which I guess iCloud kind of,
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I think this iPad is the first thing that I'm just
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never gonna sync to my Mac.
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I set it up completely from scratch on iCloud
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and it's never been plugged into a Mac
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and I think I never will plug it into a Mac.
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But even like we got iPhone 5s, I don't know,
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a month ago or so, and just trying to restore from backup
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off of the iTunes app on the Mac.
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Like, half of my apps on my phone were somehow
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registered to my wife's iTunes account, and vice versa.
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So every time we try to upgrade apps,
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we have to delete half of them and reinstall them
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from scratch with the right iTunes account.
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And this is just like, I don't think I did anything wrong.
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I'm kind of a nerd setting these things up,
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but there doesn't seem to have been much thought
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put into the idea of sharing these things
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and just this whole idea of an iTunes household.
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Like, my iTunes match account is sitting on my iMac
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with the whole family's music hooked up to it,
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yet I don't even know if I can have someone else's iPad
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or iPhone sync to that.
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And it's not like they're doing this,
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It's not like they're just not thinking about it at all, but I think that as more families
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have multiple iOS devices and maybe fewer Macs going forward, I think more thought could
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be put into this and hopefully –
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I think it's a bunch of –
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I think it's a very hard problem to solve, but I do – I agree though that you're
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onto something there.
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That to me – and that would be the biggest change, and it's not the sort of thing that
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like people who are looking for, "Wow, as soon as I booted up this new iPhone from 2013,
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it looks totally different."
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You're not going to get that.
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But I feel like a major thing that they could work on is, "Look, here's a brand new iPhone.
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Here's my iTunes email address.
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Here's my password.
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Now make it exactly like my old one was and do it fast."
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I feel like it's gotten better and better, especially with iCloud, but it is nowhere
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near good enough, in my opinion.
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I think it should be like when I back up my Mac with SuperDuper, the backup drive is just
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a clone of my startup drive.
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If I unmount my actual startup drive and instead mount from my SuperDuper clone, my Mac looks
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exactly like it was when I backed it up.
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I think they don't have that yet with iOS.
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I don't see what the argument is why they shouldn't.
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Like you said, sometimes you restore from backup and it's like half your apps are there
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and half aren't.
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Yeah, some weird ones would show up where they'd just be not registered to the right
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iTunes account.
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The saying with Apple was always, "It just works."
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And that's still true for the most part, but sometimes it doesn't work at all and it's
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infuriating.
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It just isn't that easy to get back to where you were.
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It's good that you have these iCloud backups, but it just doesn't seem…
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I don't know.
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And it doesn't have all your passwords.
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Some of the passwords are there and some aren't.
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And I don't quite get it.
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There's not quite a logic or a rhyme and reason to it.
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And I guess I run into this more often than most people because I get these review units
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or I buy one of everything.
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And so it feels like every couple of months, I'm setting up a new iPad, and I want all
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my stuff over, and it just always seems like it takes longer and more steps than it should.
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That's actually an opportunity for Microsoft in this space, as they're trying to gain traction
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both in the phone and tablet market at the same time, is that as they're pushing Windows
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phone eight and Windows eight for for touch devices. They're,
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they're launching now in this era of where everybody sort of
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expects everything to back up and restore to the cloud. And
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and they've got their, you know, whatever they call Windows Live
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API's, whatever they call it, but they have these API's that
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app developers for Windows Phone and Windows can just assume are
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there and assume are going to work for storing data and progress and stuff like that. And
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there's a very, you know, and we'll see how it works as these devices roll out and people
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use them. But as the way I understand it, it should be a lot more seamless on Windows.
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Like if you start playing a game on a Windows phone, and you get a new phone, and you log
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in with your Windows ID, and you launch that game, it, it almost certainly should have
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everything you've done in all of your saved levels, everything you've done, the app doesn't
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have to do anything special to do that. It's like if it's just storing the data the way
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it's supposed to be storing the data, it's going into your Windows Live account. And
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I feel like iOS is behind in that regard. And I feel like part of it is that it launched
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in this, you know, in 2007, with the original iPhone, in this era that was still like the
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the tail end of the syncing devices to your Mac or PC era, as opposed to assuming that
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the cloud is there.
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It's funny how Microsoft has long had this advantage of such a huge footprint with Windows.
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And I always thought that this would be just a huge advantage, especially over Apple and
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mobile because they already have all your stuff.
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And they often have your email with Hotmail.
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And increasingly they have your recreation with the Xbox.
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And they just never really took advantage of that.
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You know, part of it was always that the Windows mobile
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software was just five years behind everyone else's.
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But, and now this is a real opportunity for them
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to kind of reset that.
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I just don't know if they will once again.
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- Yeah, I don't know.
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There's definitely an opportunity for them though.
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And I feel like it's a much better and deeper.
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I'm not saying that it doesn't resonate instantly.
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It seems to me like they're trying to sell Surface as, "Look, this thing has a keyboard
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that it's meant to work with.
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If you wish your iPad had a keyboard, you should get this."
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And I can see how that resonates.
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And I see people in airports with their iPads cherry-rigged with these crazy iPad keyboard
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hardware stuff.
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have you bought a surface? No, I did not buy one. I don't think I'm going to I think I've
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seen enough to sort of judge it. And, and I like I if I bought it, I think I don't think
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I'd ever really use it. I'm definitely curious. And you know, but I think an hour playing
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with it was enough for me. But I do. I just feel like conceptually, they've got something
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where the whole thing is cloud based, that they've got this sort of they've got a middle
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ground between Apple and Google, where Google, everything's cloud-based, but primarily through
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the web, you know, that people use in Gmail through a web browser. And Apple has the apps,
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the local apps, you know, and all the advantages of native apps, but they don't really have
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the cloud thing. I feel like there's a middle ground there for Windows, where you get native
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apps with ubiquitous cloud storage.
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And then everything syncs together.
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It's one of those things where if they had all of this four years ago, for example, I
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think a lot of people would be really, really impressed with it.
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And I would totally have bought a Surface four or five years ago, but every time it
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seems like they're playing catch up here, like when they did the Zune, it was not a
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bad idea but they copied the wrong iPod you know they did by the time the zoom
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know basically last year's iPod and and this seems like the surface is is almost
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like last year's iPad and that they're not really ahead of the game I the first
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kind of PDA I bought was was the palm 5 but then not not too long after that I
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I bought one of those Windows CE Dell Axims.
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- I remember that.
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- And it was a really, really, really impressive
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tiny little piece of hardware.
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And I was all Mac at that point.
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I had never owned a Windows computer,
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but I was like, "Wow, this is really cool.
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"Microsoft has something here that's really promising."
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And since then, until now, this is the first time
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with Surface that I've even thought for a second
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about buying some sort of Windows-related portable thing.
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But I tried it out too.
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They have these pop-up stores everywhere,
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and I went to one in Manhattan,
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and played with it for a few minutes,
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and right away I was like, "Oh, okay."
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It's not 10 times better than the iPad or whatever,
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This is one of those things where?
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The kids these days are so lucky man. Like when I was in whatever middle school or high school or something
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I had a folder full of WAV files and I was trying to do like a pod like like a radio show in the basement
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You know and what I guess would now be a podcast and I had none of this stuff, right?
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You know, this is just so cool
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I had the exact same thought where if you want to make a podcast and have music come in and out and it's like now
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You just load it. It's so stupid easy with this app. It's ridiculous
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And I don't even know, again, when I was a teenager, I don't even know where I would
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have even gotten started trying to fade out music and have my voice come up over it.
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It would have been ridiculous.
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I probably would have just had two tape decks playing side by side and recording onto a
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I used to do some real nerd stuff like doing play-by-play for a baseball game with a microphone
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and headphones on.
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But it's amazing. I'm just and you know, it really is it's they it's turnkey publishing
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I mean, I don't want to you know sponsor is over but it really is that you do the whole thing right from your iPhone
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Just that there's no post-processing necessary. You do the whole thing. Everything's leveled. Everything's blended together
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Just spits it right out into your Dropbox and you're done. It's crazy
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Absolutely crazy, so we're talking about the surface
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and you know as it ties and relates, I mean, it's just no way not to compare it to
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to iOS and to to the iPad and I agree I've seen a couple people this week as
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You know people start getting their minis who've said the same thing. You just said which is that
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boy, it really feels like
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Apple just yinged and Microsoft finally yanked, you know that they've you know, they've shipped like a
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2011 iPad competitor
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Which is the same problem palm had or HP or whatever it was
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You know, they're there the what's the skating toward where the puck used to be right kind of situation but
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Maybe that's okay. I mean there's still this concept of
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Using office on this thing that I just I don't get it at all. Like, you know
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Maybe I've been publishing on the web too long and I haven't used a word doc in a long time
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But it's just the idea that these thin tablets which are you know?
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kind of almost like a recreation device to a lot of people.
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They're like, "Oh, this is fun.
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"I don't have to use this thing for work."
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The idea that all of a sudden you're gonna wanna go
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and do an Excel model on this,
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to me that just doesn't make any sense.
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And I've tried.
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I've downloaded pages and numbers and Keynote,
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and I use them all on, I don't use pages.
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I use numbers all the time and Keynote all the time
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on my Mac, and it's great.
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but I just, I've never thought to spend any time with them
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on an iPad, it just doesn't make any sense to me.
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So, I don't know, I think if anything,
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some of the entertainment stuff that Microsoft has
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is more attractive than the Office stuff.
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Like if you could tell anyone with an Xbox
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that they could play either part of their game
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or even the full version of the game,
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you know, I don't know how to do the controller,
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but if you could do something on a surface,
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to me that's a lot more interesting than,
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hey, this thing runs Office.
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I don't know.
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- Yeah, and I think it's telling that
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there's always been the,
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well, what are you gonna do on it?
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Question about the iPad, right?
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If, you know, and it was really half,
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it was really just about the whole presentation
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in 2010 when Steve Jobs debuted it,
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is, you know, this, you know, the slide had a, you know, there's a phone on one side,
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there's a MacBook on the other, is there room in the middle for something in here? And if
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so, the only reason anybody's going to buy it is if that stuff you can do here in the
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middle is better than doing it anywhere else. And there, you know, and I don't think it's
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a coincidence that the, you know, they launched with these iPad versions of the off, you know,
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Apple's Office apps of pages, keynote and numbers and nobody,
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you know, it just doesn't seem like any of those three apps. I
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mean, I know they're still top sellers. But I just don't hear
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people saying, Yeah, that's what I love doing on my iPad. And I
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can't say that like looking over people's shoulders and airports
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and coffee shops that I see people doing numbers spreadsheets
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on their iPad that often. I think they were like it was sort
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of a bad guess. I think it's good that those apps exist. And
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I do use them especially now with iCloud where I can store
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like these spreadsheets. Like I keep my sponsorship schedules in a numbers spreadsheet. And I
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update it almost all the time from my Mac. But it's fantastic if somebody sends me an
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email and I can check, I can just open it up on my iPhone and check and I can see it.
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And if I need to make a change or something like that, I can do it. But it always feels
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real finicky.
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It seems like they did it as an insurance policy. It took up a good chunk of the keynote
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and it was Apple's way of saying,
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hey, you can feel comfortable that these apps exist.
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They still sell like crazy,
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like they're always near the top of the top grossing list,
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so people kind of buy that to feel comfortable
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that they have them.
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It's sort of, I think, the same way
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that they built that Texas Hold'em game
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when the App Store first launched.
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It was the, we don't know if anyone's gonna make
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a lot of good games for these things,
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so at least we got one.
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And then they've seen how usage hasn't really gone that way.
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I think it's telling that they haven't
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really updated them at all.
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Well, they haven't for the Mac either, I guess, but.
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- I think that it's, I think there's still potential there,
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but I do think a big part of the problem,
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and numbers to me is the biggest example,
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is that a spreadsheet that's optimized for the iPad,
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like that it was just iPad only,
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and didn't even have a Mac or Windows counterpart,
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I think would be a lot different
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than what we've got with numbers.
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Like where numbers to me is it's all trying to maintain the fidelity of these spreadsheets
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you make on your Mac where you can make the cells real small and you've got this real
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precise mouse pointer and for most people a much bigger screen than 10 inches.
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Whereas I feel like a really truly native iPad spreadsheet app would have much bigger
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finger friendly cells and interface.
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But I don't even think the whole act of spread-sheeting
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really is conducive to touch.
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I mean, it's a real data processing intensive thing.
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- Whereas the, like, you always say,
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oh, Microsoft would appeal to the enterprise,
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and that was always the thing that RIM
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was supposedly gonna be good at too.
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But in touch, it seems like the enterprise
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is not the same thing as it is in PCs.
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Like, in PCs, it's this idea of a huge office
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with 500 Dell towers,
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stacked up in it.
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In touch, it seems like the enterprise is this
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tablets everywhere in places that there were
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never computers before.
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I just got coffee on the way home before the show,
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and of course the cash register at almost all the
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coffee shops that I've been to in the last few months,
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they're all iPads.
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And that's kind of the new enterprise.
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And it doesn't seem like Microsoft,
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of course I haven't done a lot of research here,
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doesn't seem like they have a big plan for that.
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- Yeah, I just don't, I don't know.
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I feel like that they're trying to maintain
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a connection with the past that they anticipate
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being there forever that isn't going to be.
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- By the way, that's why I think they're still
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doing the iPad too, which is these, you know,
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the iPad as display, as signage and/or cafe cash register.
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- Right, you don't need to spend the money on retina.
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- Right, who needs retina when it's some kid's
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gonna spill soda on it or something.
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- I mean, I don't have sales numbers.
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Apple never breaks that stuff down,
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and even privately, whoever the people are
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who know exactly which iPads have sold,
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they're not gonna tell me.
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But just offhandedly and just in raw numbers, though,
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I've been told that, yeah,
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the iPad 2 definitely has sold well.
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And Horace Dedue has figured out, I don't even, you know, the way he's, the guy's like
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a wizard with numbers, but he's figured out that the average revenue per iPad has come
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down pretty significantly in the last seven months.
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And that the only possible explanation for that is that the $399 iPad 2 was selling very
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Because there's no other way that, because the prices didn't change otherwise.
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the only way that the average revenue per iPad
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would have come down is if that $399 iPad sold really well.
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- Yeah, and I actually have the number somewhere.
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Not in front of me, nevermind.
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No, it's Mac plus iPad, so that doesn't tell us anything.
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No, yeah, I agree.
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And that's where I think this 330 iPad Mini,
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yeah, it's not 200 bucks,
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but it's also not 500 bucks.
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- And it's way too easy, even for the reasonable,
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the smart, handsome guys like me and you, Dan.
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It's easy for us to get caught up
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in what's going on right now
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and consider the long term to be the end of this quarter.
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Whereas if you just look just one year out
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and two or three years from now,
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the distance between November 2012 and November 2013
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from the future, it doesn't look – it's not that big a – one year isn't that much
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Well, a year from now, if they have a 329 retina iPad mini and then keep the non-retina
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one and use that to drop the point below 300, well, the whole thing just makes total sense
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The only way that doesn't work out for them and it just – I just don't see this happening
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and I think they know it too is if these 200 and 250-dollar tablets from Amazon and Google
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just sell in unbelievable numbers over the next, you know,
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eight, nine, 10 months. And I just don't think that's gonna
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I don't see it either. There's a lot of praise among the kind of
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nerd set of the Nexus tablets, but I don't even know where to
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buy one. Like, I wrote a post about this, I think last week or
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the week before, but with an iPad, you know, it's very
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obvious you go to your local Apple store or the electronics
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with a smartphone you generally buy from your carrier.
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But with the Kindle, yeah, you go to Amazon.com,
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the world's most popular online store.
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But if you want to buy a Nexus tablet,
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where do you even go?
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Microsoft at least has taken upon itself to set up
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some stores in basically every mall, every nice mall.
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Google, what are they, are they just not trying to sell that?
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that many of them?
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I don't know.
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They do seem to have completely eschewed brick and mortar retail.
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Which I think makes sense for some things like, you know, obviously phones are going
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to go through carriers primarily.
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So they've been able to sell an insane amount of phones without ever having to touch retail.
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and even their e-commerce efforts,
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they kind of scaled back at because they did so poorly.
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But tablets are, I wish I knew what percent of,
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Apple will tell you what percent of Macs
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they sell in their Apple stores,
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but they don't say for the iPad.
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I wish that I knew that.
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I would guess that it's pretty high.
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- I would like to know too for Barnes and Noble,
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and I feel like the nook is often the dark matter
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in these discussions because it just seems like everybody,
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And I do this too, is that when you say, "Well, what are the biggest competitors to the iPad?"
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I think Surface, Nexus, Kindle.
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But Nook is doing pretty good.
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I mean, it's certainly, or at least it's not like a complete dud.
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But I wonder how much of theirs are being sold through their brick and mortar retail
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I mean, I know that when I go into the one here in Philly, the Barnes and Noble, it's
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impossible to miss the Nook kiosk.
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I mean, you come in the door and I would venture to say it's the best real estate in the entire
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I think it's pretty much, you know, that's what it is.
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It's the fact that they have such great distribution within their own chain.
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I mean, my kind of one-liner about the Nook is that the most amazing thing about it is
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that it exists.
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It's this bookstore chain of all companies
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has been able to make an actually okay computer.
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Target hasn't been able to do that,
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or PetSmart, or any other retail chain,
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but all of a sudden this bookstore
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has this decent tablet computer.
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And Barnes and Noble, I think,
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is still where a lot of people just go to hang out
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when they have time to kill.
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200 bucks is not an absurd amount to spend at the bookstore.
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that's like three DVDs.
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So I think that's done really well for them.
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And now don't forget, Microsoft now owns a chunk
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of that Nook business.
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And I always wonder, is that like their kind of plan B,
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if things don't work out with Nokia, is it gonna be okay?
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- You know what, that strikes me.
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- Portable business.
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- That strikes me though now that I think about it,
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'cause I mentioned, I think with MG last week,
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that at the Surface event in New York,
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the demo units that Microsoft had set up,
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they had a bunch of third-party apps,
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including Amazon Kindle, but it was weird because the Kindle apps didn't have any books
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in them. You could launch the Kindle app, but they didn't preload any Kindle books in
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there, which seemed like, "Well, what's the point of even putting the app on there?" Now
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it makes me wonder why they—well, maybe there is no Nook app for Windows 8 yet. I
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guess that's probably the answer.
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Eric Michael Rhodes I think that's probably it, yeah.
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Eric Michael Rhodes But it just seems like poor coordination, given
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that they're allied, that they had to put a Kindle app.
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I mean, as popular as the Kindle app for iOS is,
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I really don't expect it ever to be set up on the demo unit instead of an Apple event.
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Right. Can you imagine being the guy at Microsoft just to call the guy
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at Amazon and say, "Hey, could you give us a bunch of codes
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for free books for our demo units or something like that?"
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What, do they just put free books on there or something?
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the samples, just somehow load them up with the sample. I don't know. There's got to be
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some way to do it. Just put samples on there if you want to be cheap and not buy the 990
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books for the things.
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Dave: That's probably something that they thought of like an hour before and they're
00:49:42
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like, "Oh, shoot. We don't have any actual books in here." I wonder whose job it is at
00:49:47
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Apple to pick what music goes on the iPhones and iPods in the store.
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Yeah, I wonder too. I wonder if that comes from the store like is there something like from the iTunes store like does the iTunes
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store get to pick like here's
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You know here's them be is it is it that let's put the stuff that is most popular or put this stuff that we want
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You know, I don't want to brag but we we did great. I was
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We we were a couple blocks from I live in a neighborhood in Brooklyn called Dumbo or a block away from it. So
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the the waterfront area got pretty wrecked and some of the restaurants that you know that we like to go to are
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Not in business right now
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but we got pretty lucky here the power was on the whole time and
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Internet went out around midnight. So I was like, alright bedtime and woke up the next morning and it was back
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So but I of course I did was
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freaking out most of the time because our
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windows are these sliding doors and I was paranoid that they were gonna collapse on us and then
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Basically, we'd be sitting outside. So I was not relaxed at all. It was pretty terrifying
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but the the windows held up and
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We stayed dry. So but it's crazy like the city really got messed up
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It kind of says something about our New York City's infrastructure.
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At the same time, it's a little fun to go through these kind of, at least before all
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the bad stuff happened, like the whole preparing for the hurricane is kind of slightly fun
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But then once it happened this time, it was really bad.
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It's been, I guess the most heartwarming thing
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has been to see how people who fared okay
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have been helping people who haven't been.
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There's been a lot of effort to bring food
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to some of the places that got hit very hard.
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New York has, of course, this trendy food truck movement,
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so a lot of the food trucks have been off serving food
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to people who actually need it,
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and not just people who want it, and that sort of stuff.
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So it was a weird experience.
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I mean, you know, it's not like I'm living in Miami
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or something, a hurricane in New York City theoretically
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isn't supposed to happen very often
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and now we've had two in two years.
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- It does, you know what, and it reminds me a little bit of,
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yeah, I just don't see how you can't be,
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of the aftermath of 9/11, of just the city coming together
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and people, anybody who can help somebody else helping out.
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- Yeah, I wasn't here for that.
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I was still living in Chicago, but yeah,
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that's what a lot of people were saying.
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It was obviously a different sort of tragedy,
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and although it affected, in terms of New York City proper,
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beyond Staten Island, like lower Manhattan,
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which is where the World Trade Center was,
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was hit, was arguably hurt the most by Citi as well.
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Like a bunch of my friends who live down there
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basically don't have an apartment
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either for the next several weeks or even months
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because the whole kind of lower tip of Manhattan
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was flooded and everyone's buildings got their power
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messed with, so.
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- Just little things.
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I remember I saw a thing at one of those slideshows
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just the other day where that in the Meatpacking District,
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there's a classic steakhouse, Old Homestead.
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They've expanded a little.
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They have a Vegas and Atlantic City branch now.
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But it's been there for like 100 years, this steakhouse,
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and their electricity's been out.
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And so the freezers are out,
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so they don't want any of the meat to go bad.
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So they were just cooking up all the steaks
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from their freezers and giving them to cops
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as cops came by.
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Any first responders who'd just come by,
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you get a free steak from Old Homestead.
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And they were just, some guys were just taking them out,
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putting them in the cars, the squad cars as they go.
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And it just, I don't know, something about that,
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I thought that was just great.
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- There's a lot of that.
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Whenever something messed up happens here,
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there's a lot of that camaraderie.
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and I think crime dips a lot.
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Like there were, I think, a couple days
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with no murders or something like that.
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- Although there were also supposedly people
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dressed up as power company people and then robbing.
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- Oh, that's the worst.
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- Yeah, that's pretty scummy.
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- Oh my God, that almost makes me wanna believe in hell,
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just so that they could go there.
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- Yeah, but it was interesting.
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- That's the worst.
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How do you live with yourself with that?
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- That's pretty bad.
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But it's interesting how the biggest,
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kind of the biggest, now it's cold and it kind of sucks
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to be without heat or something like that.
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That week was still not so freezing.
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And kind of the biggest thing was that people just wanted
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to charge their phones and there were these kind of
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impromptu charging stations that were set up at banks
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and at restaurants and hotel lobbies and all this stuff
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and it was, yeah, come inside, don't be out in the weather,
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but also charge up your iPhone.
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And that's something that I guess wasn't so prevalent
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10 years ago.
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- No, I don't think so at all.
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I do think that's a big difference.
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- Or you can just, the big blackout they had in New York.
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It was like, well, all right, our apartment's dark
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and the TV's off, but here it's,
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we do have this connection to the world,
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but it's running out of battery.
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So that was interesting.
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I'm kind of like the voyeur in me was kind of tempted to go
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into the dark zone at nighttime and shoot some footage
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and that kind of stuff, but I don't know,
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it seemed a little dicey, so I wussed out on that one.
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But next year I'll get a chance, maybe.
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- Next year's hurricane.
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I did see a thing, I should link it up,
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I'll put it in the show notes.
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I saw a device on Uncrate the other day.
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It's a portable iPhone charger.
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And just like a lot of these other ones,
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you can plug it in a wall and it stores a charge
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and then you connect a USB cable to any,
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I guess it's a USB out, so you could charge anything
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that can charge over USB with this thing.
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But the distinction is it has a fold-out hand crank
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so that in a pinch you can charge this battery
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by turning the hand crank like a pencil sharpener.
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And it's one of those things where like two weeks ago
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I would have thought, I don't know, I don't go camping,
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I'm not buying that thing.
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Whereas now I'm thinking, hey, maybe I should have
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one of those here.
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- Yeah, is that like the new headlamp,
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is like having something like that?
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Yeah, I wonder how that's,
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I imagine that's kind of gonna be a popular gift,
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at least on the East Coast for Christmas this year,
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that kind of stuff.
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- And God only, I don't know.
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I mean, maybe it takes 10,000 cranks
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to get a little bit of a charge on it.
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I don't know, but in a pinch though,
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in like a city-wide blackout, I would do it.
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I would absolutely do it.
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I'd just sit there and turn that thing forever.
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I don't know, I won't charge on my iPhone.
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They should—soon there'll be an HTC phone with a built-in crank.
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Someone will do that.
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To an extent.
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We have the hand-crancer unit.
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And I do think that the hierarchy of need—a couple of people have posted about this—that
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it's kind of changed.
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Obviously you want food and shelter first.
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is maybe above that, and then you want connectivity. You want internet. All these poor people in
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New York couldn't play letterpress for a couple days.
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Dave Asprey Honestly, I played probably about 100 games
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of letterpress during the thing. It was interesting. The cell towers, of course, have battery backups,
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and that's how, I guess, the Verizon LTE was on when the cable modem was off. Eventually,
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gave out too. I think Verizon put them on faster though than AT&T, I want to say. I'm
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not sure. Maybe that has to do with there being the local phone company here too. I'm
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not sure what happened. It almost makes you wonder if those types of companies should
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be even thinking harder about this sort of stuff. Or if it was just a fluke thing and
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it'll never happen again. I don't know. You don't want to be too prepared for something
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that's not going to happen again.
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Or that next time it'll be something else.
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It's not the same thing.
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Same type of thing where everything's disrupted, but the source of disruption's different.
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Like the underwear bomber.
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Well, there's not going to be the shoe bomber.
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There's not going to be another shoe bomber again, but that's all they want to think
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about is shoes.
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One other thing, you linked up a story that I think is interesting about Virgin America.
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Maybe we should talk about that for a second.
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Yeah, we could do that.
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As kind of Mac Apple people, we've grown used to a world where our experience in smart design
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is paramount to whatever else other features are out there.
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The story was that Virgin America,
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which is by many accounts the kind of smartest
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and best thought out airline in the United States
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is still losing money like crazy
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and may not be financially viable due to a bunch of reasons.
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The airline industry just sucks to begin with
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and there's high costs of employment and fuel
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and all that sort of stuff, but it makes you wonder,
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you know, is the user experience the most important thing,
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and if it's not a sustainable business,
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should, you know, can it keep going?
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- Yeah, it brings me back to this argument I've had
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over this word, the word traction for years.
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I've sort of been, you know, that it's,
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there's some kind of black magic,
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whether it's you're selling computers or cars or airline tickets that you know
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that you somehow get to a certain point where you have traction and it's so much
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easier to keep going than it ever is to get it in the first place and you know I
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think Apple suffered from this for a long time and I've said this before and
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I can never find the source because it's an old 90s era thing and but I'm I know
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know that I'm right though. And I think Apple, I know that the basic story is right, but
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that the source of it is confusing. And I've never been able to find it. If anybody out
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there can find the source for this, I would thank you greatly and mention you on the show
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and thank you profusely. But the gist of it is that Apple commissioned this survey in
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the 90s, maybe like 96, 97 or so. And it showed that of people going out, US retail consumers
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who are going out to buy a personal computer that 90% of them never even considered buying
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a Mac. And that like of the percentage who did consider buying a Mac, like an unbelief,
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like 40% of them wound up buying one, you know, and so like Apple's like 4% of the US
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retail market in like 1997 was like 90% of people who never even gave it a second thought,
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never even looked at them. And 10% of people who did and 40% of those people bought one.
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And that the gist of it, you know, being that all they had to do is get more traction in
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people's minds.
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Just get more people to consider buying a Mac and that their sales could go way higher,
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which is exactly what I believe has happened.
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And I think that's that iPod halo effect that people wondered about, you know, in 2002,
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2003, is that once people started going, even just going into an Apple store to buy anything,
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to buy a music player, it opened their mind to maybe buying a computer from them and,
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you know, it's all come up millhouse for them ever since.
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I just can't help but think that Virgin's
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in that same situation where people are just buying tickets
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on Delta and American Airlines and whatever else
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because that's what they've always done.
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I just, I don't know, to me, once the first time
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I took a flight on Virgin, I instantly knew
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that I would never ever again fly anything else
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if there was a Virgin flight available.
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I mean, I go out of my way to fly Virgin now.
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Like, I'll fly to make the times,
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they don't have they only have a couple of flights a day in and out of Philly so
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I will fly San Francisco to LAX LAX to Philly to make it work rather than pass
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up you know dozens of direct flights from SFO to Philly on other airlines
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because it's that much better it's so much better that I don't even hesitate
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to fly with like a layover in LAX and that's and that's interesting and I
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think air you know flight is such a weird market where people are are
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usually just sorting by price and that's it period or maybe they have like a very
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hard time of day requirement or something like that yeah and I know a
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lot of it I also know a lot of people who've gotten locked into airline X
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because they've got a gazillion miles right and platinum on American so all I
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fly is American when I have the opportunity and I guess that's exactly
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why they instituted those mileage programs. And that I know a couple of friends who never fly,
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I've spoken to them specifically about Virgin and that they say that they'd love to, but they can't
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because one of them's got Delta miles and the other one's got, I forget the other one, but it
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doesn't matter, one of the old traditional carriers and they're just locked into it because of that.
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And I don't know for me. It's so different and it just makes because you know, I tend to fly when I do fly
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It's often from coast to coast. It's from here to San Francisco
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So it's you know a big huge chunk of my day and spending it somewhere in a comfortable seat in
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A nicely lit cabin with really pleasant every universally every single flight. I've taken truly truly pleasant
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flight attendants
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actually like decent food, you know, it's kind of amazing and
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The other thing the other sense that really hits you is that that it smells nice in a virgin airplane
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Like the other airplanes it really makes you realize just how stinky the cabins are
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It's that mix of burnt coffee and jet fuel and dried bath well farts or farts and sweat or something like that
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I don't know what they're doing
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It's in and it reminds me of like the difference between old casinos and new casinos like going to an old casino
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casino and it's just this stink of 1977 sweat and cigarette smoke. A new casino really smells
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like, "Wow, this is a casino, but it smells nice in here." That's what Virgin's like.
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It reminds me a little of … Oh, sorry. Well, the gist of it though is that they're
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losing like $300 or $400 million a year and that people are saying that that's just
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too much. They've either got to start making money or the thing's going to dry up.
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- Yeah, and it's a different, obviously the industry's
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a lot different than the financial situations are,
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but it reminds me a little of the old Windows Apple problem,
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which was everyone is so used to Windows,
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even if it's less elegant of an experience,
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they can justify it just because they're familiar with it
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or because they're locked into it or something like that.
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- It's just the way it used to be, yeah,
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it's just the way it is.
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- And I've written this about even airplanes themselves,
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like the airline industry or the airplane industry,
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They need their iPhone moment where everything got reset.
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Right now they're kind of graduating from the Nokia
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Symbian phone to the Blackberry phone,
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but there's no, they kind of need that inflection point
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where if you look at the airline,
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and I don't want to get too geeky on airline stuff,
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but you look at the new planes they're designing,
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like the 787, they're like 15 to 20% more fuel efficient.
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The seats are maybe a little more comfortable.
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The TV is like an inch bigger,
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but there isn't like that whole reset point
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where the experience is just vastly different.
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And someone, I think, eventually will figure that out,
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but I'm not sure what it is.
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- Yeah, I totally agree, though.
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And I don't know.
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I don't know, I still am hoping.
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I just hope they have the patience to keep with it
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and that people will catch on in it.
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Maybe they just need a couple more routes or something.
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I don't know.
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but it just doesn't add up to me.
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- Maybe someday you can have an airline.
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- I don't know, I say it would be fun.
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It's probably a terrible job.
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- The Apple airline, that would be a colossal waste of money
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then you know when to sell Apple stock
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when they start doing that kind of stuff.
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- The other thing I don't get on Virgin
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is that they have first class upgrades that are really, really cheap. If there's open
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seats in first class, like day of the flight, it can be just like $150 to upgrade. Yet I've
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been on flights where I've done it and I've gotten the first class upgrade for like $150
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and there's still open seats and the other cabin is full. I don't know. It just seems
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crazy to me that more people wouldn't take advantage of that.
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- I think a lot of that is so they could just,
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if there are people on standby,
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they can get more seats sold,
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or maybe just hook you into that experience.
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Like I've had a few free upgrades on American recently
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because I have so many miles,
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and I'm in the Platinum program,
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and now I'm like crap,
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I don't know if I can fly coach anymore.
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Of course I have to,
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'cause real business class is way too expensive.
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- Right, I wish business class was more like coach plus
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rather than first class minus.
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- Well, and it's funny because business class is,
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and this is actually another kind of parallel
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to the phone industry, business class is so much
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more profitable than coach.
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Maybe over half of the profits or maybe even more than that
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of a flight would be from the business class people,
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if not vastly more than that.
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It's the same thing like when Nokia was before the iPhone or right after it, it was something
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like 80% of their profits came from their smartphones, which were like 10% of their
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phones sold.
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All those coach seats are kind of break even and then all the profit comes from the front
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of the plane.
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Dave Asprey Well, and then there's Southwest though,
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which is all coach.
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Adam Boffa And profitable.
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Dave Asprey Right.
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Right. And so that's in Southwest is still it's it's just their routes in and out of Philly have gotten so
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inconvenient for me where all they don't they used to have a daily non-stop to SFO they used to have one to SFO and one
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To Oakland and they've gotten rid of both of those
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So now the only way for me to go out west on Southwest is you know stop in Chicago, which makes it a lot less
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appealing Vegas, maybe I
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Forget if they I think they still have non-stops to Vegas
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Yeah, and maybe I have to route through there.
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That always makes me, I don't like to have a layover in Vegas though.
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If I get off the plane in Vegas though, I want to stay.
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That was the one time I remember last year, I did that last year.
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I was flying out to San Francisco, pretty sure it was the Southwest.
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And it was one of those continuations where I didn't even have to get out of the plane,
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but we had enough time and I wanted to go to the restroom or get something to eat.
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And I was like, "Hey, can I quick run out of the plane?"
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And so I had five minutes in Vegas.
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It's the worst. It's just enough to wet the whistle.
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Yeah, Southwest though is flying in a giant bus. They have the advantage where their staff is very nice.
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They have terrific service. People who work for Southwest really like it.
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There's this very, very generous stock ownership thing where everybody who works on Southwest gets shares in the company
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company and it really seems to invest them in it. But it's
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really, you know, it's the coachee of coach and everybody,
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you know, you really are just in like a flying bus for five or
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That's and that's the profits in the airline industry that and
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spirit spirit air. So cool.
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I agree, though, I would like to fly everywhere. Virgin. Some
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days I'd like to, I would like to just be in a Virgin plane
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just to work for the day. Just to go up. Hey, you could just
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go up, fly me around for a couple of hours and let me get some work done and then I'll
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just come right back to Philadelphia.
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See, there you go. There's the business. Just sit in the air all day and then go back down.
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I do. I find myself very productive on an airplane when I work during the day. I figured
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out why. It's because with GoGo Internet, it works just well enough that I can use it
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to research things and look things up. It's way too flaky and slow to really screw around
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on the internet and waste time. It just makes me very productive. It's a very productive
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environment for the type of work I do, for linking to and writing about stuff.
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Dave Asprey Yeah, I've actually done some of my best posts
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on GoGo, except the only issue is that if you try uploading a photo, they totally degrade
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the quality of the JPEG. They have some weird filtering, and it shows up looking horrible
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on your site. Not only downloads, but uploads too. They do that. Hey, man.
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Right. And it is true. I bet you're the same way as me. Where complete isolation from the
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internet actually does make me less productive as a writer because I've just gotten used
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to, "Hey, I don't know what this, I don't know exactly what this term means. Let me
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Wikipedia it and make sure I'm getting it right." And if I can't do that, it's like
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I feel lost. I need a little bit of internet to write.
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- And that's kind of to come full circle,
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I've set up my iPad Mini in a way that I can truly relax,
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which is no email accounts on the iPad.
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- Oh, that's smart.
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- Which is a bummer because sometimes I want to send
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an email and I don't have anything set up,
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so maybe I'll just set up some AOL account
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or something like that.
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- Oh, I see what you mean.
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- I have the iPad Mini in full Zen mode,
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so I might even uninstall Twitter
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because that's, although it's good for Twitter,
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so I'll just have to hide it somewhere sometimes.
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But without email, I can really kind of,
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I read a book this week, which is something
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I haven't done in a long time, and it's been really great.
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- It says a lot about our generation.
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- Have you found your word?
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- Yeah, the word you were looking for?
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- No, I don't remember.
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- All right, that's all right.
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- I just think it's telling that you're really proud
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of yourself for having read a book.
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- Oh yeah. (laughs)
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It was good, it was the Michael Lewis book
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about all the messed up economies around the world.
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Check it out. - Oh yeah.
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That one, that's on my list somewhere.
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- Now I gotta read the Nate Silver book
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because hopefully it'll make me smarter.
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- Yeah, did he get all 50 states this time?
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I know he had 49-- - I think so.
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- I think he got 50, I think he went 50 for 50.
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So now he's like 99 for the last 100 states.
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- He's gotta retire or he's gotta hit
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like some insane goal next time.
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maybe he'll even know. Well, anyway, thank you very much Dan
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