00:00:05 ◼ ► my hands are on it, is the one product from Apple that everybody wants to hear my thoughts about.
00:00:21 ◼ ► It's the MacBook Pro. Nope, you know. Nope, I blew it. I blew it with a heavy-handed intro.
00:00:28 ◼ ► You telegraphed it too much. What I did is I bought a 14-inch. I keep wanting to say 13-inch.
00:00:35 ◼ ► That's going to be a hard habit to break. Yeah. For some reason, when the 15-inch ones went to 16,
00:00:40 ◼ ► I found that easy. 14's new, right? Yeah. They've never had a 14 before. There was a 12-inch MacBook.
00:00:48 ◼ ► They never had 16 before either. They used to have 13, 15, 17. Right. Which, in hindsight,
00:00:55 ◼ ► was kind of weird, but I've often said this. You know who was a huge fan of the 17-inch
00:01:04 ◼ ► Because she likes to have the biggest screen possible, but she hasn't had a home office set
00:01:10 ◼ ► up in, God, might be decades at this point. So she kind of needs to do her MacBooking from the
00:01:18 ◼ ► kitchen. We have plenty of room in the kitchen and stuff like that, but an iMac, which would
00:01:22 ◼ ► really satisfy her desire for a big, huge screen, would only go into a room all the way on the top
00:01:36 ◼ ► But I often feel like I could just buy it for her, but honestly, I worry that she would think
00:01:42 ◼ ► I'm trying to get rid of her. Why don't you go upstairs? But anyway, she loved the 17-inch,
00:01:52 ◼ ► the old lunch tray. But 16-inch is a nice medium in between, right, where it's less of a footprint
00:01:58 ◼ ► on your desk, more likely to fit on an airport or airplane tray or whatever. 14-inch is getting hard
00:02:04 ◼ ► for me. I'll get used to it, I guess. But anyway, I ordered the 14-inch MacBook Pro with everything
00:02:28 ◼ ► Well, we used to spend—I mean, I used to spend a lot more. I was looking it up because I was trying
00:02:33 ◼ ► to figure out what the most that I had spent was, and I think it was—actually, I can't remember,
00:02:37 ◼ ► it was the 400 MHz or the 1 GHz, but one of those two titanium power books was like 2,600 bucks.
00:02:56 ◼ ► I have spent more than that in the past. I don't know that this—this might be—I don't think it's
00:03:05 ◼ ► the most expensive MacBook I've ever bought, but it's more than I need. And I could always justify
00:03:10 ◼ ► it before because, you know, like, "Oh, I need the RAM." I really do use RAM because I sloppily
00:03:18 ◼ ► leave hundreds of browser tabs open. And it's nice. It is nice to just keep opening all the
00:03:24 ◼ ► apps, every app you use, and just keep them all running and not worry about it. But in the old
00:03:29 ◼ ► days, when you ran out of RAM on a Mac—well, in the really old days, of course, you would—
00:04:12 ◼ ► And it used to be so slow because you had spinning hard disks, and even the RAM was slower compared
00:04:19 ◼ ► to today. And it—you know, when you actually ran out of real RAM for what you wanted to do,
00:04:26 ◼ ► you'd notice it. I mean, you'd actually hear the hard drive going, or you'd feel—you know,
00:04:35 ◼ ► You know, and then that stopped being so much of an issue. And I have to say, like, testing out
00:04:40 ◼ ► last year's 13-inch M1 MacBook Pro, I would go look in Activity Monitor and see that I was using
00:04:48 ◼ ► way more than the 16 gigabytes of RAM that were in the machine, and that swap was up at, you know,
00:04:54 ◼ ► 10 gigabytes or something like that. And I didn't notice because it's all so fast. The SSD is fast.
00:05:02 ◼ ► But anyway, I bought a stupidly fast M1 Max 14-inch MacBook Pro. It is not here yet. I believe
00:05:11 ◼ ► it is coming soon. But when I ordered it down at the bottom, when they give you the, "Hey,
00:05:16 ◼ ► do you want to buy some add-on stuff?" You know, this is when Apple turns pure retail, right? I
00:05:22 ◼ ► mean, because why not? I mean, I'm not even complaining about it. This is what you do if
00:05:26 ◼ ► you're selling stuff, is, you know, you put some mints at the checkout counter, you know,
00:05:37 ◼ ► Pete: Well, once you spent that much money, $19 for a polishing cloth doesn't seem like anything.
00:05:43 ◼ ► Matthew: Right! It doesn't, it's the perfect, for me, it was the perfect little add-on. And
00:05:49 ◼ ► it really is like the John Travolta/Uma Thurman scene in Pulp Fiction where they go out to eat,
00:05:56 ◼ ► to the diner, and she buys, I forget how expensive the milkshake is. Amy and I just watched that
00:06:02 ◼ ► movie recently, and it's been so many years that it doesn't even sound like an expensive milkshake.
00:06:14 ◼ ► Red Robin or, you know, any chain. This is what milkshakes cost. But he's like, "I got to see
00:06:19 ◼ ► what a $10 milkshake costs." I don't remember what the cost. I had to see what a $19 Apple polishing
00:06:25 ◼ ► cloth was like. It is very nice. It comes in like a sleeve or like a case almost, right?
00:06:43 ◼ ► three-dimensional. The envelope, the cardboard box that it comes in is exactly, almost exactly,
00:07:05 ◼ ► I can still see checks from 2019 are on the same page of the ledger. But it's the size of a
00:07:12 ◼ ► checkbook. It is not very heavy. It comes not in a ridiculously-sized shipping box, but it is far
00:07:20 ◼ ► larger than a checkbook. Of course, it's review season. Apple is sending me products to review.
00:07:28 ◼ ► Most of them, like with the MacBook, all came in one big box. If they're going to give you extra
00:07:32 ◼ ► stuff, like I got the MacBook and, spoiler for something I want to talk about in a bit with you,
00:07:46 ◼ ► the reviewer. But I've ordered other stuff. You forget what you ordered and what's coming.
00:07:54 ◼ ► I could tell it was an Apple product, but I had this sinking feeling at first when the FedEx guy
00:07:59 ◼ ► handed it to me that I'd gotten ripped off, that it was an empty box. Because nothing rattled
00:08:08 ◼ ► inside. They use a bit of cellophane to strap the small product box within the larger brown
00:08:23 ◼ ► There was also a look on the FedEx guy's face like, "Hey, this box looks like it's still
00:08:32 ◼ ► sealed up." And we didn't say anything. And then it was maybe a second, two seconds before I thought,
00:09:02 ◼ ► The cloth itself is surprisingly thick. I don't know what it's made of. It feels like suede.
00:09:11 ◼ ► Like it's not like a terrycloth type thing. It feels like suede. I'm guessing it's not suede,
00:09:16 ◼ ► but it's some sort of artificial material. It's a light gray that is darker than a silver MacBook
00:09:25 ◼ ► but lighter than a space gray MacBook. It has a very nice feel, round corners, an embossed Apple
00:09:32 ◼ ► logo in the lower right corner. And it wipes the screen about as good as gets grease off the screen
00:09:43 ◼ ► and little dots off the screen, exactly as well as every other anti-static cloth I've been using
00:09:56 ◼ ► You know, my mother-in-law, God bless her, often struggles with—I'm very hard to buy gifts for.
00:10:02 ◼ ► I don't know. You probably are, too. Because there's not a lot of stuff I like. I'm picky
00:10:14 ◼ ► And my mother-in-law always wants to buy me some stuff for Christmas, like stocking stuffer type
00:10:18 ◼ ► stuff. And one time, somehow she found out that I like to have a nice cleaning cloth for my stuff.
00:10:27 ◼ ► You're not supposed to use paper towels. It's just to wipe screens. And she got me these ones
00:10:37 ◼ ► Because they're so big, they're enormous. It's like a napkin you could easily—even if you have
00:10:46 ◼ ► a very large nap, you could cover your lap with it. But they're great. But they're more of like
00:10:54 ◼ ► a terrycloth type thing. Do you know what I mean? Like, where there's little threads. Super soft,
00:11:16 ◼ ► Yeah, $19. Now, here's the other interesting thing. Because I believe that this same cloth
00:11:24 ◼ ► ships with the Pro Display XDR with the infamously expensive $5,000 6K display that comes—or doesn't
00:11:34 ◼ ► come with, but has an optional $1,000 stand. And there's a little card that comes in the box. And
00:11:41 ◼ ► it says, it's got it written in four languages, but the English version says, "Safe for use on all
00:11:46 ◼ ► Apple displays and surfaces. For infrequent cleaning of hard-to-remove smudges on nanotexture
00:11:56 ◼ ► glass, a 70% isopropyl alcohol solution may be used." Now, the nanotexture glass, I was like,
00:12:06 ◼ ► "What the hell products do I have with nanotexture glass?" Then I remembered, that's what they call
00:12:22 ◼ ► the way they wrote this, the way that they don't mention the Pro Display XDR specifically.
00:12:28 ◼ ► Perhaps they have plans in the future to have other nanotextured displays and their forward
00:12:49 ◼ ► Oh, yeah. I think so, too. I mean, like, nobody—I mean, you have to do research in order to figure
00:13:07 ◼ ► Well, usually, that's usually what they tell you to do, right? Because you don't want to
00:13:15 ◼ ► Yes. But I think they should tell you that and maybe have, like, a little—make it one of the
00:13:19 ◼ ► little pamphlets instead of just a single-sided card and show an illustration of it, you know,
00:13:25 ◼ ► that you would put just a smidge of the alcohol solution on the polishing cloth and then use that
00:13:37 ◼ ► I think they could—for a $19 polishing cloth that is seemingly mainly intended for use on a
00:13:56 ◼ ► That's another thing that's always confused me because I got—years and years ago—I mean,
00:13:59 ◼ ► I've had this stuff forever, but it's like, I got two sets of some sort of cleaning product
00:14:04 ◼ ► that's supposed to be safe to use on laptop screens because it doesn't have alcohol in it.
00:14:12 ◼ ► But again, I got it, you know, during the Boer War. And I've never run out of it because I
00:14:22 ◼ ► use it. I just don't end up using it that much. But when I need it, I definitely need it because
00:14:26 ◼ ► someone has put a finger on my screen. And it said to make sure to spray it on the cloth.
00:14:36 ◼ ► Because they're not suede. They're definitely fabric. I've never done it because I'm still,
00:14:42 ◼ ► for some reason, kind of scared. And I've never needed to, but I feel like it's getting to the
00:14:46 ◼ ► point where I've probably washed—cleaned the screen off too many times with them. And now I'm
00:14:51 ◼ ► just wetting gunk and putting it back on. So I may have to bite the bullet pretty soon to do that.
00:14:57 ◼ ► All right. The product I bought before, and I think I bought it from Apple or else somebody
00:15:04 ◼ ► told me that it is the brand that Apple themselves use in retail to clean all of the devices they
00:15:14 ◼ ► have on display. It's called Whoosh. W-H-O-O-S-H. Whoosh.com. And you buy it. It comes with a little
00:15:26 ◼ ► spray bottle. You can get a two-pack where one of them is sort of a bigger size and the other
00:15:34 ◼ ► one is more like a lipstick size that you could put in a laptop bag. They come with their own cloths.
00:15:41 ◼ ► They're orange cloths. They're very distinctive. And the two sides of the cloth have sort of a
00:15:47 ◼ ► different texture. One's a little bit softer and fuzzier, and the other side is a little
00:15:53 ◼ ► smoother, more like a T-shirt. Fuzzy side, T-shirt side. And their instructions are pretty—they're
00:16:09 ◼ ► use one side to wipe the screen, and to—I forget exactly how they tell you to do it, but
00:16:17 ◼ ► they either tell you to go in circles or—I have to look it up every time I use it. They either
00:16:21 ◼ ► tell you to go in circles or tell you to go straight across, but they tell you which way to go.
00:16:25 ◼ ► And then to turn the cloth around after that pass and use the other side of the cloth to sort of
00:16:32 ◼ ► take a second pass and dry it off. And the solution is very safe for all—and they tell you,
00:16:40 ◼ ► they list all sorts of things that it is safe for. And it would be anything you would care to use it
00:16:46 ◼ ► for—plastic and glass and touch screens, and that it won't interfere with the oleophobic coating
00:16:52 ◼ ► on a phone, and you can use it on aluminum, and blah, blah, blah. That's what I expect from
00:17:00 ◼ ► Apple. I expect painstaking instructions to tell me exactly how to do it. That's the other thing
00:17:05 ◼ ► about the Apple cloth. It feels, as far as I can tell, it's exactly the same on both sides.
00:17:22 ◼ ► Jared: I want to correct myself from earlier, because I said they'd never made a 14-inch,
00:17:51 ◼ ► because I had the 12, I had a 12-inch, this was back when I was, like, I bought a 12-inch for
00:18:08 ◼ ► but couldn't afford it. And so, I got the 12-inch iBook and was not so pleased with it. Like,
00:18:25 ◼ ► quickly, you know, like they looked, it was one of those products that looked way better
00:18:30 ◼ ► in product photography than it did in real life. And I know that some people, you might think,
00:18:34 ◼ ► "Well, everything looks better in professional product photography," but that's not true.
00:18:38 ◼ ► Like, there are aspects of like the new MacBook Pro that, to me, look better in real life. Like,
00:18:49 ◼ ► you just can't even photograph like how nice the etching on the bottom of the name MacBook Pro
00:18:55 ◼ ► looks. It just, photographs don't do it. Just, those 12-inch iBook clear keyboard keycaps,
00:19:06 ◼ ► though, because you could pop up the, you pop the keyboard up and then you get to have access to the
00:19:16 ◼ ► Jared Yeah, yeah, at least, yeah, the very beginning, at least. I can't remember if they
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00:21:12 ◼ ► Jared Exactly. Yeah, no, that sounds great for me. Also, I will say that it's really great to use. I
00:21:16 ◼ ► mean, we've really, I mean, it's been super easy, and we wouldn't use anything else, honestly.
00:21:22 ◼ ► Brian Everybody I know who uses it swears by it, and they don't even really look back. It's great
00:21:26 ◼ ► stuff. What's up next on the review schedule? I got to do a whole separate episode on the MacBook Pro.
00:21:37 ◼ ► Gruber's got to talk about the MacBook Pro because the reviews just came out like two days ago,
00:21:46 ◼ ► machines, and we could talk about them a little, but I got to do a whole show about that. The other
00:21:59 ◼ ► Brian Yeah, you should think about some Woosh, though. Not a sponsor. Not a sponsor, but should
00:22:18 ◼ ► Brian I keep wanting to call it the cleaning cloth, but they call it the polishing cloth.
00:22:28 ◼ ► No, but next up is a product I have had, and I hinted at it a segment ago, and have not written
00:22:35 ◼ ► about because I've been too busy writing about the MacBook Pro, but the AirPods third generation.
00:22:54 ◼ ► the second generation. I've never had the Pros before, so this has some of the features
00:22:57 ◼ ► of the Pros that I'm really kind of enjoying. They are larger in my ears, which is interesting.
00:23:04 ◼ ► I wasn't really even expecting that. I knew that they would be shorter, but I didn't know that they
00:23:09 ◼ ► were sort of physically larger in the ear area. And so far, so good. I was kind of wondering if
00:23:16 ◼ ► that would, you know, make my ears ache after a little while, but I wore them for a significant
00:23:22 ◼ ► amount of time today, and it seemed basically fine. So that was good. And I really like the
00:23:27 ◼ ► clicky thing. I mean, that took me a little while to figure out. I was, I think, you know,
00:23:34 ◼ ► they always pop up those things that say, "Do you want to learn more about your device or your new
00:23:39 ◼ ► software or whatever it is?" And I have a tendency to dismiss them, and then I can never find them
00:23:43 ◼ ► again. Of course, of course, there is an app, right? I think there's like, there's an app
00:23:48 ◼ ► someplace where that shows up, and I never, I can never find it. I'm sure that happened, and I
00:23:54 ◼ ► clicked past it just to, you know, get to the point where I could actually start listening to things
00:23:57 ◼ ► and then was like, "Oh, how do I advance songs and stuff like that?" I did eventually circle back and
00:24:04 ◼ ► figure that out. I do the same thing where I'm like, "Well, look, I'm an expert, you know,
00:24:09 ◼ ► have you heard of, have you heard of Daring the Fireball?" I saw the presentation. I should know
00:24:14 ◼ ► how those works, but I forgot. I watched the presentation live with a notebook taking copious
00:24:20 ◼ ► notes of everything they said. Why in the world would I need to do this? And it turns out that
00:24:25 ◼ ► they go pretty fast and you don't remember everything they say, and you end up not knowing
00:24:31 ◼ ► how to pause a song. Right. I have, I own a pair of the AirPods Pro, and I love them and prefer them
00:24:43 ◼ ► and preferred them instantly over my regular older AirPods. And is that for functionality or
00:24:50 ◼ ► fit? It was every, for me, it was every single thing about them. I enjoyed the fit once I got
00:24:58 ◼ ► used to it. And I know, to me, the big fundamental difference is, well, at a feature level, it's the
00:25:06 ◼ ► noise cancellation that the AirPods Pro have and the regular AirPods don't. But I don't think it's
00:25:11 ◼ ► possible to do the noise cancellation without the sealed style of buds. And the sealed—
00:25:19 ◼ ► Well, unless it's over the ear, yeah. Right, right. But if you're talking about AirPods
00:25:30 ◼ ► Years ago, I mean, again, to go down memory lane, I got a pair of Shure earbuds with noise
00:25:39 ◼ ► cancellation. I may have talked to you about that on this show. It was a gift in the gift bag from
00:25:44 ◼ ► MacWorld Expo. And it was one of those things. It might have been the first year that I was a
00:25:52 ◼ ► speaker at MacWorld Expo. I'd always heard that, like, at the Oscars, for example, they give people
00:25:57 ◼ ► these gift bags with absurdly expensive gifts in them. I didn't know. I had no idea that MacWorld
00:26:04 ◼ ► Expo gave me anything. All I thought was, "Well, I get a free pass." And I should—speaking to the
00:26:11 ◼ ► MacWorld audience would be good for my professional stature, for lack of a better word. This is
00:26:18 ◼ ► something I should do. And I go there and I register for the pass. They give me this bag
00:26:22 ◼ ► full of stuff. And I'm like, "What the hell?" And I start looking through it. And I was ready
00:26:27 ◼ ► to ditch it all. And there's a backpack. And it's like, "Well, I don't even have room to go home
00:26:32 ◼ ► with this huge backpack." But I found the Shure headphones. And I was like, "Sure, that's a good
00:26:38 ◼ ► brand." And I looked it up and they were like $400 earbuds. I was like, "I would never spend $400
00:26:44 ◼ ► on these things." But they were noise canceling and had the seal. And similar to AirPods,
00:26:52 ◼ ► when you open it up, there were four different style of rubber tips that you were encouraged to,
00:26:59 ◼ ► if you find the default ones uncomfortable, try these larger and smaller and a differently shaped
00:27:06 ◼ ► mushroom end that you would squeeze in your ear canal. And I used those for years and years on
00:27:14 ◼ ► airplanes because the noise canceling is great on airplanes. And for me, the earbuds that go in your
00:27:22 ◼ ► ear are way more comfortable for a five-hour flight than over-the-ear type things that make
00:27:29 ◼ ► my ears sweat. I have the opposite experience, personally. I've never had success with those
00:27:35 ◼ ► things that go in your ear canal. Now, I think Paul and other people have suggested getting the
00:27:40 ◼ ► foam tips because you can get third-party foam tips for the AirPods. I have not tried that.
00:27:48 ◼ ► I certainly haven't tried it with AirPods Pro because I don't have it. But I don't have AirPods
00:27:57 ◼ ► friend of the family, Paul Kifasis of Rogue Amoeba fame. Yeah, there's a whole cottage industry and
00:28:04 ◼ ► the third-party foam style tips for AirPods. That's one of the nice things about Apple getting
00:28:12 ◼ ► popular and having so few products that they only make three styles of AirPods and only one of them
00:28:20 ◼ ► takes tips. I don't know if you heard, they were only repeated it about seven times last week in
00:28:25 ◼ ► the keynote. They are the best-selling headphones in the world. So it makes sense that there'd be
00:28:30 ◼ ► this whole cottage industry of $10, $5, $7 foam tips that you can buy from Amazon. I bought the
00:28:39 ◼ ► other day from Amazon. This is a total tangent, but I feel like it's the same way with the
00:28:57 ◼ ► I get more of them sent to me by Apple than just about anybody because I buy new iPhones every year
00:29:05 ◼ ► from me and the wife. I always buy them now with the idea that we're just going to swap the SIM
00:29:13 ◼ ► card from our old phones into new phones because that always works better for me. We've had so many
00:29:17 ◼ ► problems over the years when you transfer your line over and Verizon system doesn't even know
00:29:24 ◼ ► what phone you bought. We just pop the SIM out. When you buy a phone that isn't already on
00:29:29 ◼ ► Verizon or AT&T or T-Mobile, they send you an iPhone that comes with an Apple SIM card popper
00:29:35 ◼ ► router. They're so tiny and I lose them. But in review season, I'm popping SIMs out of phones
00:29:43 ◼ ► all the time. It's like I work at a phone store because I'm like, "I should go back to the...
00:29:48 ◼ ► I have my old phone, my new phone, four review phones, and if I want to test something on the
00:29:56 ◼ ► iPhone 13 mini, and it's like, "Well, if I'm going to use it for a day, I should put my SIM in it,"
00:30:01 ◼ ► and I can't find the damn SIM popper routers. So I went and looked on Amazon to see if there was one.
00:30:07 ◼ ► I was like, "They should make a big one that I wouldn't lose, more like a pen." You know what
00:30:12 ◼ ► I mean? With a tip. You could always attach a giant brush to it or something. They do it
00:30:18 ◼ ► for the key at a rest stop. I have tried putting them on a ring and I have kept that one, the one
00:30:26 ◼ ► I put on a key ring. But I just popped into my head to look on Amazon. And of course, there's
00:30:31 ◼ ► a gazillion of them and they are insanely cheap. But the one that I picked, I swear to God, it was
00:30:38 ◼ ► like four bucks, free Prime shipping, two-day, three-day, whatever. But it included 10 other
00:30:49 ◼ ► styles of SIM card popper. Two of these ones that look like a little tool, almost like a golf pencil
00:30:56 ◼ ► size with a SIM popper out around the end. But they also had a bunch of the ones that are more
00:31:02 ◼ ► like paperclips, more like the ones Apple includes. But— I mean, isn't the tip the same on all of
00:31:17 ◼ ► I have a little box on my desk and every time I get a new iPhone, I pull that thing out and I put
00:31:22 ◼ ► it in the box on my desk. And I'll lose a few over the years, you know, but usually there's at least
00:31:51 ◼ ► You see, this is $7 and it's 16 different SIM card poppers. And they're all—the tip's the same on
00:32:01 ◼ ► all of them. That's wild. Of the 16 SIM popper routers, four of them basically look like Apples.
00:32:08 ◼ ► Two of them are the little golf pencil style ones that I was—the whole reason I bought the damn
00:32:14 ◼ ► thing. And I would have bought it just to get—I would have paid seven bucks for one of them.
00:32:18 ◼ ► But, you know, why not pay seven bucks and get two of the ones I wanted? But then there's two each
00:32:31 ◼ ► Yes, yes. The guitar picks. Well, there's like a solid guitar pick, a hollow guitar pick.
00:32:59 ◼ ► Yeah. You're five or six bucks away from anything you want. And I feel the same way with the
00:33:06 ◼ ► foam tips for AirPods. You can find replacements if you like foam instead of rubber. But the big
00:33:13 ◼ ► fundamental problem with the whole concept is there are a lot of people who do not like
00:33:23 ◼ ► For me, it's not the comfort of it, per se. It's the fact that they just keep sliding out,
00:33:54 ◼ ► probably two years ago—as a longtime AirPods Pro user, using the new third-generation AirPods
00:34:01 ◼ ► for a week was very familiar because everything about them works like the AirPods Pro, where you
00:34:09 ◼ ► have a little clicky thing on each earbud that you can do things. You know you can go into settings,
00:34:21 ◼ ► And ever since I've been using them, the old style of AirPod controls, where you tap your ear,
00:34:34 ◼ ► And I never liked it. I never really liked it because it always felt like I was pushing it.
00:34:43 ◼ ► Right. It was like the AirPods equivalent of "shake to undo" on the iPhone, where it just
00:34:51 ◼ ► felt like if you deleted text you didn't mean to delete. Shaking your iPhone like you're getting
00:34:58 ◼ ► ready to pop open some champagne because you just won a championship—it just felt so stupid.
00:35:14 ◼ ► And that's how you undo. Tapping your ear, it's like, imagine if there was a feature where
00:35:30 ◼ ► Yeah. But if you want to enter full screen mode on Mac OS X, just bang your head against the trackpad.
00:35:36 ◼ ► You don't have to bang it hard. But it still would feel like, "Why am I doing this? Why am I banging
00:35:44 ◼ ► my AirPods?" And the other thing in hindsight, once you never have to tap your AirPods again to
00:35:49 ◼ ► do anything, you realize how it always felt to me like you were also risking popping the AirPod out.
00:36:01 ◼ ► I find spending a week with these AirPod third-generation ones, the thing for me is that I'm so
00:36:08 ◼ ► used to the sealed ear canal that they constantly felt like they were on the cusp of falling out.
00:36:15 ◼ ► Yeah, I think that all—and a lot of that just depends on people's—people have different ears.
00:36:23 ◼ ► I've just gotten to the point where that's the only way I can explain it. And some people like
00:36:27 ◼ ► the ear canal ones, and other people like the other kind. And my ears are meant to use this
00:36:37 ◼ ► particular kind. And I've never really had—if I'm taking a shirt off over my head, yeah, then
00:36:43 ◼ ► the AirPods will come out. But other than that, I've run in them, I've run wearing them, and
00:36:53 ◼ ► Right, and I wear them in the winter with a winter hat that covers my ears, keep my ears warm. They
00:36:59 ◼ ► don't fall out. I've never really had a problem with AirPods falling out, but it was just an
00:37:04 ◼ ► uncanny feeling because I had been so used to the sealed thing. But as a product, I don't think
00:37:09 ◼ ► that's a problem at all. I'm clearly, as a person on Team Sealed Ear Canal, and anybody who's not
00:37:19 ◼ ► either doesn't own AirPods Pro because they know it, or they gave them away, or sold them,
00:37:26 ◼ ► or returned them to Apple or something because they found them unpleasant, right? So anybody
00:37:30 ◼ ► who's already got AirPods Pro and is happy with them is definitely not in the market for the
00:37:37 ◼ ► regular AirPod third generation. What else? It's nice that they have unified on the MagSafe/Cheat
00:37:51 ◼ ► Yeah, so this is my first that's actually Cheat charging because when I got the second generation
00:37:55 ◼ ► ones, I just stuck with the Lightning charging. And so that's been nice too. And I don't have an
00:38:01 ◼ ► extra MagSafe connector lying around anywhere, but I've got plenty of Cheat chargers lying around, so
00:38:09 ◼ ► I was able to just put a Cheat charger on my nightstand. And so now when I go to bed, I just
00:38:13 ◼ ► put the case on the Cheat charger. It would be cool. I mean, I tried it on the MagSafe one that
00:38:17 ◼ ► I put my iPhone on and it's like just hanging there in midair was kind of cool, but I'm not
00:38:28 ◼ ► I actually find that for charging, it's my, what do I have that charges by Cheat? I have phones
00:38:35 ◼ ► and I think that's it. Then the only things I have are my AirPod cases and the phones. I like
00:38:43 ◼ ► it better for AirPods than the phone because I don't really need the AirPods. The problem with
00:38:49 ◼ ► AirPods is that the batteries last so long, especially for the case, that it was easy when
00:38:56 ◼ ► I first got them, when there was no MagSafe for Cheat charging case, it was easy to forget about
00:39:02 ◼ ► it for a week. And then you do get that sad little bloop, bloop. And you're like, "Oh, I guess
00:39:09 ◼ ► the batteries finally did run out." Whereas now it is so easy to be completely lazy and just put
00:39:15 ◼ ► them on a Cheat charger on your bedside or on your desk. And it's like for me, the case never
00:39:21 ◼ ► even gets close to 50% because I've just... And then it's also a nice way, it's like having a
00:39:28 ◼ ► little box for your keys so you never lose your keys when you come home because you always put
00:39:32 ◼ ► them in the same place. It's like I actually stopped losing my AirPod cases or mis... You're
00:39:38 ◼ ► not losing losing, but misplacing where the hell did I leave them because I just tend to leave it
00:40:10 ◼ ► more frequently before Cheat charging than I do now because I just tend to know the couple of
00:40:16 ◼ ► places around the house where I have a charging pad and that's where my AirPods tend to be.
00:40:20 ◼ ► But I tried it out. It's pretty cool. They don't have... What are they called? The location chip?
00:40:32 ◼ ► Yeah, but whatever that chip is that lets find my do remarkably accurate location of a device.
00:40:40 ◼ ► But it's fine. It was like I pretended I left them in my bedroom. I knew they were in my bedroom,
00:40:51 ◼ ► but I was testing out the Find My and it got me closer. It took longer. It was like looking for
00:40:56 ◼ ► a signal. This might take a while. Wait, wait, wait. It was certainly better than not having
00:41:00 ◼ ► it and it definitely worked. And the phone got very excited like a dog when you come home.
00:41:14 ◼ ► Yeah, I don't lose mine. I mean, so you know that little coin pocket or whatever it is in jeans.
00:41:20 ◼ ► I'm always wearing jeans and actually even the khakis that I have have the same pocket,
00:41:27 ◼ ► but in just a different spot. I stick my AirPods in there and so the case is always in there during
00:41:32 ◼ ► the day and I know where it is. And I put the AirPods in and then I put the case back in my
00:41:39 ◼ ► pocket. And then at night I take it out of the pocket and put it in the charging stand.
00:41:46 ◼ ► Yeah. I mean, Karen loses hers all the time because women's clothes don't have pockets.
00:41:58 ◼ ► Yeah, it's true. Or they have pockets that just don't even fit in AirPods case and it's not quite
00:42:06 ◼ ► sure. Or don't hold things in very well either. Right. So it's nice to have. I think aesthetically,
00:42:14 ◼ ► I never bought into the people look silly wearing AirPods thing. I was thinking about that before
00:42:21 ◼ ► we recorded that. Remember when AirPods were new five years ago, that was like a big thing. People
00:42:33 ◼ ► but I didn't think other people looked stupid wearing them because they looked exactly like
00:42:38 ◼ ► wired earbuds that people had been using at least from Apple for like 20 years just without the
00:42:46 ◼ ► wires. So if you don't look stupid wearing the same size or almost exactly the same size white
00:42:56 ◼ ► buds in your ear with a white cable streaming out of both of them, how do you look stupid if you
00:43:03 ◼ ► just cut the cables off? I never got it, but some people thought people looked weird. But I do think
00:43:09 ◼ ► the newer look initiated by the pros and now followed by the new third generation regular
00:43:16 ◼ ► AirPods where the stem is shorter, I think it does look better. I think it does too. Yeah. I would
00:43:21 ◼ ► still like if there was a color option, I'd probably go with a different color than white, but
00:43:25 ◼ ► they're fine. I mean, they're better now. The first time I was, I don't know if it was exactly
00:43:32 ◼ ► the first, but one of the first few times I wore AirPods outside of the house was, I think it was
00:43:36 ◼ ► walking the dog or something. And this guy stopped me and said, "Oh, you got those AirPods, huh?"
00:43:40 ◼ ► I was like, "Yeah." He's like, "How do you like them?" I thought, "I love them. I think they're
00:43:44 ◼ ► great." And he's like, "They look ridiculous." I said, "Okay, but they're really good."
00:43:50 ◼ ► My friend Dave Whiskus, who I did the Vesper app with, he bought them right away and said,
00:43:57 ◼ ► "I'm not going to return them. I'm going to use them because I love using them, but I feel like
00:44:03 ◼ ► I look stupid with them." And that he'd be walking down the street and see somebody else with AirPods
00:44:10 ◼ ► and think, "Boy, they look stupid." And then realize, "Oh, I've got them in right now."
00:44:14 ◼ ► And he said he just constantly felt self-conscious about it. But it must be true. I don't really
00:44:19 ◼ ► remember. I remember when the Sony Walkman was new and desperately wanted one. And of course,
00:44:27 ◼ ► they were very expensive. It was the iPod of its day. And it took a couple, just a handful of years
00:44:34 ◼ ► for Walkman-sized personal cassette players to get down to the price where somebody, my parents,
00:44:44 ◼ ► would buy them for me as a then whatever 10, 11-year-old. But I'll bet that there was that
00:44:51 ◼ ► sort of reaction to them at that time when people, all of a sudden, people are on the New York City
00:44:59 ◼ ► subway and they've got a Sony Walkman. And it's like, "Look at that idiot. He's got two orange
00:45:09 ◼ ► you know, anytime there's something new, there's going to be a bunch of people that make fun of it.
00:45:13 ◼ ► But like Walkman-style, the initial Walkman-style headphones, the ones, you know what I mean? They
00:45:19 ◼ ► had Nerf balls on the end. Yeah, I mean, I don't remember there being other kinds. All the headphones
00:45:26 ◼ ► that I had prior to that were over-the-ear types. And then those were on-ear. They were way more,
00:45:33 ◼ ► even without making an aesthetic judgment, they were certainly more obvious, right? You know,
00:45:43 ◼ ► they're far from subtle. You had like a headband over the top of your head and orange foam.
00:45:49 ◼ ► You know, and eventually they made other colors other than orange. But there must have been that
00:45:53 ◼ ► type of reaction to that too by people who were not the early adopter mindset, who was like,
00:46:02 ◼ ► but I'm not going to look stupid with those." I know. I mean, we had one and I don't remember
00:46:11 ◼ ► that. But of course, you know, we were kids when we got it. And it was, you know, like if you were
00:46:16 ◼ ► in high school or something, junior high school, none of the kids were going to think that because
00:46:26 ◼ ► Walking down the hall. They should have had podcasts back then. You just mail them out.
00:46:40 ◼ ► Yeah, and you could just, you know, and you could just, you know, encourage people. You know,
00:46:44 ◼ ► it'd be sort of like the Grateful Dead where you would encourage people to make copies for
00:46:48 ◼ ► your friends. You know, if you've got a copy of episode, you know, whatever of the talk show from
00:46:55 ◼ ► 1986, then, you know, make as many copies as you want. You know, hand them out to your local Mac
00:47:01 ◼ ► user group. I remember trying to tape songs off the radio by just putting a tape recorder up to
00:47:14 ◼ ► Amy and I talk about it all the time. That was a feature of the boom boxes of the era. Those big
00:47:19 ◼ ► panels, those Panasonic silver plastic boom boxes where they had both a tape player and a radio.
00:47:27 ◼ ► If you hit record while the radio was playing, it would record the radio to the tape directly,
00:47:42 ◼ ► like, the disc jockey would say, "Hey, stick around. We're going to take a break. But when
00:47:47 ◼ ► we come back, we've got the new Cyndi Lauper." And you'd be like, "Ah, that's one of them I've
00:47:52 ◼ ► been waiting for. I've been waiting to get a—girls just want to have fun." And so you'd have your
00:47:58 ◼ ► finger on it ready to go when he came back. But then it's like, a lot of times they would start
00:48:09 ◼ ► you know, and telling you, you know, "We'll have a traffic break in 20 seconds." It's like,
00:48:26 ◼ ► Actually, it never even occurred to me that it might be illegal. I actually didn't even think
00:48:37 ◼ ► I mean, it didn't occur to me, of course. I mean, I was, what, 12? I wasn't looking into it.
00:48:54 ◼ ► And I think they had these things in certain cities here, too. But when I went to Japan,
00:49:00 ◼ ► my junior year in college, they had—right next to the university where I was—they had a place where
00:49:05 ◼ ► you could rent records. So you'd go in and rent a record and then take it home and tape it and then
00:49:12 ◼ ► turn the record. Which obviously, you know, I mean, that's what everybody was doing. And I was always
00:49:19 ◼ ► sort of surprised by that. Like, "Is this okay?" I was like, "Yeah, that's what they do here." So,
00:49:29 ◼ ► And it would also put it in a way more, like, binary, "Is it portable or not portable?"
00:49:40 ◼ ► Jared: I bet there were. I think I've seen that. There were definitely some crazy cars in the '60s.
00:50:02 ◼ ► You mentioned the colors. That's an interesting thing that I, spending a week with another new
00:50:09 ◼ ► set of AirPods and thinking about it. And I'm, it is very curious. So, they make the AirPods Max,
00:50:20 ◼ ► the big over-the-ear ones, in a variety of colors. But the regular AirPods, they've never made in any
00:50:29 ◼ ► color other than white. And that goes back all the way to when they were just AirPods, you know,
00:50:44 ◼ ► but I guess, so like with the over-the-ear ones, they're obviously Apple, right? There's a logo on
00:50:55 ◼ ► Is there? I don't think there is. I think that they count on them being a sort of iconic shape.
00:51:00 ◼ ► I don't think there's a logo. The logo's inside the ear cup. It's in the mesh on the inside of
00:51:12 ◼ ► expensive earphones, you wouldn't, you know, headphones, you would know that those are AirPods
00:51:17 ◼ ► Max, but I don't think most people would. So, then that takes away my thesis, which is basically that
00:51:24 ◼ ► it was a branding concept because I don't, I, maybe it still is. I mean, maybe the white still
00:51:30 ◼ ► is like, they want people, they want other people to know that you're using Apple products, I guess.
00:51:34 ◼ ► Pete Yeah. I think it's, I think it fundamentally is a branding thing. And that's why I think Apple,
00:51:39 ◼ ► you're never going to get them to explain it. Like if, you know, I could ask Jaws about it in an
00:51:45 ◼ ► on-stage interview and he's not going to say, I'm not, he's not going to get rude and say, well,
00:51:51 ◼ ► F you, I'm not going to answer that, but he's going to talk around it. You know, he's, he's
00:51:55 ◼ ► not going to give a straightforward answer because they don't explain branding decisions externally
00:52:01 ◼ ► ever. But I think that the branding explanation would be AirPods Max are an iconic shape and
00:52:09 ◼ ► therefore they can make them in any colors they want. And they're just, I don't think most,
00:52:15 ◼ ► I don't think most people know what AirPods Max look like though. Yeah. Most people probably
00:52:19 ◼ ► don't, but people who might be in the market for them do. Right. Right. Yes. And with the regular
00:52:26 ◼ ► AirPods and EarPods going all the way back to the iPod, you know, and they made the, they started
00:52:32 ◼ ► making iPods in various colors very quickly. Right. You know, we're just celebrated the,
00:52:37 ◼ ► the 20th anniversary of the original iPod last week. It didn't take long. And, you know,
00:52:44 ◼ ► you could have it in any color you wanted if it was white. It didn't take long for them to get to
00:52:50 ◼ ► the iPod mini and then the iPod nano, which always came in a variety of very fun anodized aluminum
00:53:05 ◼ ► and it came with white AirPods. And I think that the branding logic of it is we're going to own
00:53:13 ◼ ► this one color. It's the one neutral, it's the neutral color for distinctive earbuds. Black
00:53:21 ◼ ► would be the other option for something neutral, but A, wouldn't have gone with the original
00:53:40 ◼ ► has often been black, right? Like if you think back to any Sony home equipment you've had,
00:53:46 ◼ ► PlayStations are black. We had a Sony DVD player or Blu-ray player for years. I had a Sony receiver.
00:54:00 ◼ ► you know, I don't know. It connotes a different feeling than white. It would be weird. Like if
00:54:15 ◼ ► if Sony made one and it was the whole thing, it was meant to go underneath your TV, it would be
00:54:20 ◼ ► weird if it was white. It just wouldn't feel like a Sony product. Although I guess now they, what,
00:54:25 ◼ ► the PS5 is white? Yeah. You know, I think they've had certain color options for different, I mean,
00:54:31 ◼ ► certainly in like mobile players and things like that. With Apple, I feel like with the AirPods,
00:54:36 ◼ ► black earbuds would have never looked distinctive because so many earbuds were already black,
00:54:41 ◼ ► right? If you just go into the store and say, "Hey, I need a pair of your, you know, I'm in
00:54:45 ◼ ► the airport. I need headphones." What color are they? They're almost certainly black. The free
00:54:49 ◼ ► ones. When you're on an airplane and they give you earbuds to use in the entertainment console.
00:54:55 ◼ ► I don't even know if they do that anymore. I mean, who needs their stuff for that? But if you do,
00:55:02 ◼ ► I guarantee you they're black. So black didn't make sense as the Apple's default color. White,
00:55:06 ◼ ► therefore it was. And then once they became a popular thing, I mean, remember they ran those
00:55:12 ◼ ► ad campaigns where they were just like silhouettes of people and all you would see are white earbuds
00:55:18 ◼ ► coming out and a cable coming out. And they didn't even have to show the iPod. People just knew,
00:55:24 ◼ ► "Oh, that's for Apple's iPod." And I just feel like they feel like that's a thing that they own
00:55:30 ◼ ► and that sure, they can't stop other companies like Samsung or whoever else from making white
00:55:38 ◼ ► earbuds. And of course, many other companies do now. But I feel like they feel like they know
00:55:46 ◼ ► and everybody else knows they're ripping us off. Yeah, I assume. Yeah, I haven't looked. I mean,
00:55:52 ◼ ► I'm looking at the ones that Microsoft makes and the ones that Google makes. I'm sure there are
00:55:58 ◼ ► ones that Samsung makes that look almost exactly like earbuds. But the Google ones and the
00:56:04 ◼ ► Microsoft ones look different, or at least different enough. The Google ones are white,
00:56:08 ◼ ► but I don't think anyone would miss, well, I don't know. I mean, somebody might, but most people
00:56:12 ◼ ► would not mistake them for earbuds. So I feel like they could go with other colors, but they're
00:56:17 ◼ ► definitely not. They are moving into another color phase currently. And I think it's possible that
00:56:26 ◼ ► they could reconsider that as part of this new phase because they might ship them in iMac
00:56:32 ◼ ► style colors, but I suspect not. If you could get them in another color, what color would you want?
00:56:38 ◼ ► Maybe that blue, the new iPhone, or I mean, I really liked the product red. I went out at
00:56:46 ◼ ► iPhone SE, the current generation of iPhone SE for a while. That red was really nice, actually.
00:56:58 ◼ ► I might do that because the white always gets really blue because I keep it in my jeans all the
00:57:02 ◼ ► time. My second generation case looks like crap. My stuff always gets blue too, everything,
00:57:09 ◼ ► especially AirPod cases, because nine months of the year, I'm wearing blue jeans every single day.
00:57:17 ◼ ► That was, and that was when I was checking out with these, I wanted to do engraving. I wanted
00:57:22 ◼ ► to just put my initials on it or something like that. And it timed out on the engraving,
00:57:25 ◼ ► and I was kind of worried like, "Oh, geez, I don't want to not get these on day one." So I just
00:57:31 ◼ ► skipped the engraving and just went ahead and bought them. And then later I thought it was like,
00:57:37 ◼ ► "It's going to be fine," because first of all, the case size is different than all the—Karen's
00:57:41 ◼ ► got the older generation, so I'm not going to confuse it that way. But if she ever gets them,
00:57:51 ◼ ► I mean, I know they do it with AirPods Max, and they have the colors, and they did it with iPods,
00:57:57 ◼ ► as we just said. But at some level, Tim Cook's got to be happier. Tim Cook and Jeff Williams
00:58:02 ◼ ► are happier if the product marketing people are like, "You know what? Once again, we're sticking
00:58:07 ◼ ► with white." Well, and I know you don't want to talk about the MacBook Pro, but the cable is only
00:58:13 ◼ ► in one color, right? Yes. Oh, man. It's a nice touch. We've got good friends, and a friend of
00:58:20 ◼ ► the show, Jason Snell, texted me after our reviews came out and said, "Damn it, I wish I'd mentioned
00:58:28 ◼ ► the thing about the cable, too." And it's the best compliment, right? Because I often, you know,
00:58:35 ◼ ► I'll do the same for him or Panzerino or anybody else when they make a point in a review. I'm like,
00:58:41 ◼ ► "Oh, I even had that in my notes, and I forgot to put it in my review." It irks me because these are
00:58:46 ◼ ► the multi-thousand dollar laptops. And I think space gray is the better color, in my opinion,
00:58:54 ◼ ► or at least I like it better. And it comes with a silver MagSafe connector and a white cable.
00:59:00 ◼ ► And the other thing that really is sort of like salt in the wound is they just shipped those
00:59:16 ◼ ► And color-coordinated lightning cables with a nice braided, this nice braided fabric. So,
00:59:23 ◼ ► if you get an orange iMac, you get an orange lightning cable. So, you can definitely do it,
00:59:35 ◼ ► Jared: Yeah. I mean, the color stuff, like most of the color stuff, the bright color stuff is
00:59:50 ◼ ► at least it's slightly consistent. I don't know if it makes sense, but it's consistent.
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01:01:34 ◼ ► The one other thing I was going to mention is that they ship—and maybe they did this with the
01:01:38 ◼ ► pros too, but this was the first one for me that they shipped with a USB-C to Lightning cable
01:01:45 ◼ ► inside the box, which was nice because that's the kind that I actually need now because I don't have
01:02:02 ◼ ► wouldn't want to manage it. That's not fun. A fun part of maybe designing products at Apple would be
01:02:09 ◼ ► the argument over, "Hey, should we make product red AirPods? Should we make bright red earbuds?
01:02:17 ◼ ► I don't know." And you can have fun mocking them up and doing it. Managing the logistics of how
01:02:23 ◼ ► do we move a billion users from USB-A cables to Lightning to USB-C or the same thing with the
01:02:31 ◼ ► watch. And when do we do it? Should we do it now in 2019? Maybe it's too soon. I don't know. But
01:02:37 ◼ ► we're not selling any MacBooks with USB-A ports anymore, and people do charge these things from
01:02:47 ◼ ► I don't. I mean, I would never charge my AirPods that way, honestly. I don't think I would ever do
01:02:51 ◼ ► that. I mean, in a very rare circumstance would I do that. I just need the cable for other stuff,
01:03:01 ◼ ► those things now where we're so far into the pandemic and having done so little travel,
01:03:06 ◼ ► a couple of brief months over the summer where we felt safe and we did. But it feels like another
01:03:12 ◼ ► era, like black and white TV and listening to FM radio and taping cassettes. Remember traveling and
01:03:22 ◼ ► going places? The thing I remember just many, many times over the years realizing that my laptop bag
01:03:31 ◼ ► backpack or sling bag, whatever I was carrying at the time, didn't have enough chargers or
01:03:36 ◼ ► something. But it's like I always have a MacBook or going back far enough, a PowerBook or something.
01:03:42 ◼ ► Wouldn't forget that charger. And if I had a cable, I could plug it in and charge other devices
01:03:49 ◼ ► from the MacBook ports while traveling. It just seems weird though. We're at the point now where
01:03:55 ◼ ► USB-A seems old. And I know it's one of those things that like VGA ports, never ever going to
01:04:11 ◼ ► USB-A ports are going to be places built into chairs at the airport or any of the various
01:04:21 ◼ ► places where people have put them. You're going to be running into them for a decade, two decades
01:04:26 ◼ ► at least. But they seem old, right? The watch charger thing was interesting because they
01:04:36 ◼ ► advertised that the new Series 7 watches charge faster with the new charging puck. But only with
01:04:45 ◼ ► that new charging puck that has USB-C at the end. But it's confusing because they previously made
01:04:51 ◼ ► a charging puck with a USB-C port at the end. I guess last year, I don't even remember it.
01:04:56 ◼ ► And they're not labeled, of course, because they're Apple products. There's nothing labeling it.
01:05:01 ◼ ► And they're like, "You got to use the new one if you want the faster charging. Don't use the old
01:05:05 ◼ ► one." But it does charge faster, I'll just say. Not to go on an Apple Watch Series 7 side note, but
01:05:12 ◼ ► I did a side-by-side. I don't do a lot of those sort of, "Hey, run the battery down and see how
01:05:16 ◼ ► long it takes to charge." But the watch charge is so small and doesn't take long that it felt worth
01:05:23 ◼ ► it. And it's like, "Yeah, it actually does." It charges not like three times as fast. It charges
01:05:28 ◼ ► 40% faster for whatever the number is. But it's noticeable if you're ready to go in the morning
01:05:38 ◼ ► you can charge up your Apple Watch noticeably more if it was run down overnight than you would
01:05:45 ◼ ► otherwise. Yeah. I never needed to charge it much. Yesterday, I think about midday, I noticed it
01:05:52 ◼ ► seemed like it was down a little bit too far. And so I stuck it on the charger for 15 minutes or
01:05:56 ◼ ► something. And it was plenty to make it through the rest of the day. I'd love to know what
01:06:01 ◼ ► percentage of AirPod purchasers get the engraving. I have mine by the ones I bought engraved.
01:06:13 ◼ ► polishing cloth. But they don't charge for the engraving, which even like any modest amount,
01:06:21 ◼ ► like for five bucks more, you can get them engraved. I wouldn't hesitate to do it. I mean,
01:06:26 ◼ ► I wouldn't... I didn't hesitate to buy a $19 polishing cloth. So obviously, I'm not good with
01:06:35 ◼ ► not spending my money, so I would do it. But I think a lot of other people would, "Oh, I want to
01:06:39 ◼ ► get some emoji engraved on my case or whatever." And I think a huge reason for it is families with
01:06:47 ◼ ► multiple AirPod owners, let's tell them apart. You don't want to stick your son's gross earpods
01:06:55 ◼ ► or your son definitely doesn't want to stick your... I guess it's that way, right? Your teenage
01:07:05 ◼ ► Pete: Did I tell... I don't think I told it on this show. Karen was having trouble... You could
01:07:12 ◼ ► decide if you want to cut this story or not. But Karen was having trouble with a pair of AirPods,
01:07:17 ◼ ► and I was looking online to see what could be the problem. One of them was not, you know,
01:07:21 ◼ ► the sound wasn't coming out very well. And, you know, eventually, like little bits of earwax get
01:07:26 ◼ ► caught in the grill and stuff like that. And so, this guy's solution was you get a toothbrush and
01:07:32 ◼ ► you scrape it a little bit in like a circular motion, try and be gentle so you don't break
01:07:36 ◼ ► the grill and stuff like that, and then you suck on it. I was like, "Well, it's my wife."
01:07:56 ◼ ► You know, I started this whole segment the wrong way because I would do that for my wife as well.
01:08:04 ◼ ► I would. And, you know, it feels like dad business, right? Where the whole world is moving away from
01:08:21 ◼ ► man business, right? Like, yeah, I don't think she was gonna do that. Yeah, my wife would not do that
01:08:26 ◼ ► for mine. But I would do it for her. She certainly, she definitely wouldn't do it for mine. I don't
01:08:30 ◼ ► think she'd do it for hers either. And it's one of the light bulb moments of parenthood is that you,
01:08:44 ◼ ► Oh, yeah. You can't afford to be. You just can't. The time, you know, when they're little,
01:08:55 ◼ ► like, the kid's snotty. I'm just gonna use my sleeve." Or eating food off their plate. Like,
01:09:01 ◼ ► are you serious? You're not gonna eat those last few bites? "I'll eat off your plate. I'll still
01:09:05 ◼ ► eat off my son's plate." Whereas I wouldn't eat off my dad's plate, right? I love my dad. My dad,
01:09:18 ◼ ► It's not come up. If my dad had a problem with his AirPods, which he doesn't even own, but
01:09:31 ◼ ► I would just go out and buy him a new pair of AirPods and tell him that I used a cleaning
01:09:36 ◼ ► trick I got on the internet. Here they are. Also, by the way, I polished the case up a little for
01:09:41 ◼ ► you. And got it engraved. Yeah. That was the thing, though. I need to, because I also got
01:09:50 ◼ ► hung up on the emoji stuff. Like, I was like, "Oh, there's all these emoji." And I was like, "Oh,
01:10:01 ◼ ► So I think if you're planning on buying AirPods on day one and you want to get them engraved,
01:10:10 ◼ ► Well, yeah. This will come as absolutely no surprise to you or anybody who listens to this
01:10:16 ◼ ► show and who's familiar with my proclivities. When I first got an AirPod case engraved, I noticed
01:10:26 ◼ ► that there's four different trigger points where the font size changes so that it can fit more.
01:10:34 ◼ ► If you only get one, two, or three letters, maybe you just want your initials, like JG or for you,
01:10:42 ◼ ► JM. It's the biggest font size. And then you get to, I forget what the points are, but I,
01:10:49 ◼ ► of course, obsessively figured out each one. It's like you get to four and it shrinks a little. You
01:10:54 ◼ ► get to like 13, it shrinks a little more. And I started playing around. And as an old school
01:11:01 ◼ ► graphic designer, you can run into problems if you do things purely by counting characters,
01:11:10 ◼ ► because the lowercase i is the narrowest character, whereas an uppercase M or W is much wider.
01:11:19 ◼ ► I forget exactly what they do. But then I got to the point where it's like, "Well, you know what I
01:11:23 ◼ ► like? I like really small fonts. I think small fonts look better. I would like my case engraved
01:11:29 ◼ ► with a small font, but I don't have a long string of text to engrave. And I really wish that they
01:11:36 ◼ ► had let me just get my initials, but use the smallest possible font size." And I was like,
01:11:43 ◼ ► "Ah, I got it. Spaces." No, nope. And then I thought, "Damn." And I was like, "Ah, but what
01:11:50 ◼ ► about like option spaces to get like a Unicode thin space? Maybe they're just looking for space
01:11:58 ◼ ► characters." Nope. No, they're doing like a regular expression search for all white space,
01:12:03 ◼ ► and they don't count it if it's on the sides. I also thought then I also, I wasted a lot of time.
01:12:12 ◼ ► Ted, you know, my eyesight has gone back and forth. It's been a wild rollercoaster over five
01:12:18 ◼ ► years, but I'm at the point now where my eyesight is actually much better for small stuff than it
01:12:24 ◼ ► was two or three years ago. I'm back to being able to read pretty small stuff when I take my glasses
01:12:31 ◼ ► off or use like my progressive lenses. So, I'm back to that, but that is a good point. I also,
01:12:39 ◼ ► of course, spent an inordinate amount of time, just way more, I mean like a ridiculous amount
01:12:45 ◼ ► of time, like, and couldn't tell my wife because it would be like, "Hey, don't you have something
01:12:50 ◼ ► better to do?" But trying to sneak swear words past their filters, like, how smart are they,
01:13:01 ◼ ► you know? So, obviously, just matching for a known list of swear words or inappropriate words that
01:13:07 ◼ ► they will refuse to engrave, that's not going to work. But things like putting a Unicode thin space
01:13:14 ◼ ► between the F and the U, you know, would that work? Would that get it passed? And then I enlisted
01:13:23 ◼ ► friend of the show, Daniel Jowkett, in this, and he got it to a point where they let him put it into
01:13:30 ◼ ► the cart with a swear, some kind of inappropriate thing using some kind of trickery like that,
01:13:36 ◼ ► you know, Unicode spaces or something. But then it wouldn't let him check out. So, there's like
01:13:42 ◼ ► a subsequent level of checking beyond the engraving tool where there, and then it would just, and it
01:13:48 ◼ ► would like take them out of your cart and set you back, it was like getting the worst chute in chutes
01:13:54 ◼ ► and ladders, you know, the one that would make your little siblings cry if they landed on it,
01:14:00 ◼ ► because it would send them all the way back to the beginning. And it's like, all of a sudden,
01:14:12 ◼ ► I get it. Have you ever put like your phone number on them? I mean, it seems like that's probably...
01:14:18 ◼ ► I think Karen had a case that she had them in and that she had her phone number, and the person,
01:14:28 ◼ ► Or an email. Yeah, like you could put a, you know, like a burner email account on there.
01:14:44 ◼ ► Yeah, I guess. But then I'd start to wonder, though, if I, you know, make up a temporary
01:14:51 ◼ ► iCloud one, but it's not an easily typable string, or somebody, you know, are they going to be like,
01:15:06 ◼ ► Yeah, I'm not quite sure. But, you know, I have phone number. I bet that's very common.
01:15:11 ◼ ► Yeah, I'm always just, for some reason, I never wanted, like, I don't know why. I've never,
01:15:20 ◼ ► Yeah, we're two, you and I are two, we're probably overly conservative about stuff like that. Like,
01:15:27 ◼ ► You know, it's, I still laugh. We were just, we were just talking the other day about how
01:15:35 ◼ ► back when we, Amy and I went to college, both of our schools, both the University of Pittsburgh
01:15:44 ◼ ► Oh, yeah, your student ID. Yeah. I don't think my, I don't think my school did that. But honestly,
01:15:51 ◼ ► It, and that's how you would order that we, you used to be able to get, Drexel had like,
01:15:55 ◼ ► the way that the food plan worked your freshman year is you, you didn't just get meals, like,
01:16:02 ◼ ► oh, you can get like three meals a day at the cafeteria, you got like $72 a week that you could
01:16:08 ◼ ► spend at Drexel's food services. So one of the ways you could spend it is go to lunch in the
01:16:14 ◼ ► cafeteria. And, you know, but you could also from like your dorm call up Drexel's pizza, which was
01:16:20 ◼ ► the worst pizza in all of Philadelphia, just the absolute worst, like, you know, like, how pizza
01:16:27 ◼ ► cheese is supposed to be closer to white or yellow. It was orange. It was orange cheese. It was
01:16:33 ◼ ► terrible. But, but if you had no real money to call a real pizza place, and you still had, you
01:16:42 ◼ ► know, 13, 14 bucks left on your weekly food service allowance, but you would just call up,
01:16:48 ◼ ► tell them your dorm room number, and then to pay, you would just read, read them your social
01:16:52 ◼ ► security number. And then they would be like, okay, you've got $7 remaining. And you'd be like,
01:17:02 ◼ ► You know, because once they typed it in, it all came up. In fact, now that I think about it,
01:17:07 ◼ ► you may not have even had to tell them your dorm room number. You might've just given them your
01:17:11 ◼ ► student ID and they knew your dorm room number, which is even worse. Like they had a book,
01:17:16 ◼ ► they had a book full of everybody. The school probably printed out a book that did that.
01:17:29 ◼ ► Yes. I wonder how that works. Like you should be able to get one of those, you know, where it's
01:17:35 ◼ ► not even, it doesn't even have any information on there. It's just drop, just some magic.
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01:20:26 ◼ ► It's a funny, we're big fans. The show has always been on HBO and the new season started last week.
01:20:32 ◼ ► I guess it's going to last all season. I'm not sure. But the gimmick is that Larry David is
01:20:42 ◼ ► thing to me. I presume that Netflix, that they okayed it and that the people at HBO are okay with
01:20:52 ◼ ► the fictional version of Larry David selling a show to Netflix and that they got Netflix's
01:21:09 ◼ ► He pitches the show to these Netflix officials and they love it. And they're like, "I think we're
01:21:13 ◼ ► going to go ahead. We're going to do it." And he's like, "You're going to enjoy working with me. I'm
01:21:18 ◼ ► easy to work with. Don't worry about what people say." And they're like, "Ah." And everybody's
01:21:21 ◼ ► laughing and a meeting is breaking up and he goes, "But no notes. Don't send me notes." And they laugh
01:21:26 ◼ ► and he goes, "No, I mean that." With my show, and I think in a real world where you do these shows
01:21:36 ◼ ► for big companies like HBO and Netflix and any of the movie studios, everybody who follows movies
01:21:42 ◼ ► closely knows about notes. I don't know where the lingo came from. It seems like an entertainment
01:21:47 ◼ ► industry thing. You watch something, you say, "I have notes." In the computer world, we don't
01:21:57 ◼ ► talk about notes. If you're making a new app, your boss doesn't say, "I have some notes."
01:22:03 ◼ ► Maybe they do, but it's not so much of a term of art. I got a note about not reading the small
01:22:11 ◼ ► print on the earnest, but they're good people. Well, yeah, we get stuff like that. Anytime you're
01:22:22 ◼ ► listen in and they'll say, "Could you tweak this? Could you do that?" And that's what they're paying
01:22:29 ◼ ► for. Yeah, that's what they're paying for. And the other thing that I truly appreciate is I truly
01:22:34 ◼ ► appreciate and understand the fact that it's a very regulated industry and that it's not for
01:22:46 ◼ ► Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I don't have a lot to say about it, but have you upgraded to MacOS 12
01:22:53 ◼ ► Monterey? I have. I did that on Monday when it came, or not the minute it came out, but
01:23:00 ◼ ► that afternoon. What are your thoughts? I like it so far. I think the widgets I've actually enjoyed,
01:23:09 ◼ ► because now I have a widget for... And for some reason, this seems more usable to me than
01:23:15 ◼ ► Dashboard did, because I've actually been using it a lot more than I used to use. Well, maybe in the
01:23:23 ◼ ► beginning I used Dashboard a lot, but I've got three things on here that I have on my phone.
01:23:30 ◼ ► And I check it fairly frequently. So, I mean, the control center still seems very weird.
01:23:39 ◼ ► The widgets thing, that's a good note, John. But I agree with it, because taking an app from iOS
01:23:53 ◼ ► to Mac and just letting it run, let's say the home app or some of the first Catalyst apps, like the
01:24:01 ◼ ► news and the stocks apps, it just felt like you were running an iOS app in the simulator. And
01:24:10 ◼ ► if you're either, A, a developer of iPhone apps or iPad apps, or even just kicked around with Xcode
01:24:18 ◼ ► playing with it, you know what I mean? Where it's cool that you can run your iPhone app on your Mac
01:24:25 ◼ ► while you're developing it in a simulator, but it always felt like you were running an iPhone app in
01:24:31 ◼ ► a simulator. It just didn't feel Mac-like. And the quick and easy, like the home app, still to me,
01:24:39 ◼ ► doesn't really look and feel like a Mac app. It feels like an iPad app running on a Mac.
01:24:43 ◼ ► The widgets are narrowly constrained in a way that they feel just at home across the board,
01:24:52 ◼ ► right? And that there's not buttons and controls, and there's not a lot of interactivity.
01:24:56 ◼ ► They're just sort of like little status panels. And somehow they've squared that circle in a very
01:25:04 ◼ ► neat way where they feel very much at home. And I like them. I do too. And I think dashboard is one
01:25:12 ◼ ► of those ideas where they've been taking several stabs at it over the decades now, and I feel like
01:25:18 ◼ ► they finally got it. Yeah, I think so too. I mean, we'll see. I think I used dashboard for a while,
01:25:28 ◼ ► because I used to—there's that iStat menu thing that is now in the menu. You can get it in the menu
01:25:34 ◼ ► bar so you don't—I had that for a long time, and I don't currently use it. And so I remember going
01:25:39 ◼ ► into—but I think that was back to our point about how Macs use memory and whatnot now. I don't feel
01:25:47 ◼ ► like I need it anymore, is the thing. I don't feel resource-constrained anymore. Whereas when I was
01:25:53 ◼ ► using a 400 MHz powerbook, I really did, with a physical disk. Right. My big feature, the one that
01:26:05 ◼ ► is—my main machine is still running macOS 11 Big Sur, and over the years I've gotten a little bit
01:26:13 ◼ ► more conservative about when I upgrade to the latest version of macOS 10 on my main machine.
01:26:18 ◼ ► But it's prompting me to do it. As soon as I have all of my current work done and I feel like,
01:26:23 ◼ ► just in case something goes bad, I can blow a day fixing it, I'm upgrading, is live text.
01:26:32 ◼ ► And I know that's on all platforms, and I've been playing with—I've been using the iOS betas all
01:26:38 ◼ ► summer, and there are times I'd use live text. But for me, the type of situations where I want
01:26:53 ◼ ► I don't want to retype it. It seems like long work. I don't want to do—oh, I'll just take a
01:27:05 ◼ ► Yeah, I was telling Paul in the Slack earlier today, I had a recipe that I've had for 20 years
01:27:13 ◼ ► for Vietnamese catfish, and it's excellent. I love it. And it's the only recipe that I have
01:27:18 ◼ ► that is actually something that we ripped out of a magazine a long time ago when we used to get
01:27:23 ◼ ► something. I don't remember what it was. And so I would always go to the recipe box that we still
01:27:29 ◼ ► have and pull it out every time I was going to make Vietnamese catfish. Back in May, I finally
01:27:34 ◼ ► thought, "I'll take a picture of it." And then eventually, because I use Paprika for all my
01:27:40 ◼ ► recipes, I was thinking, "I'll just type it in," because I'm tired of going to find it every single
01:27:46 ◼ ► time. And I took the picture of it in May and never typed it in, but I still had the picture.
01:27:54 ◼ ► It suddenly hit me once I upgraded to Monterey. Like, "Oh, I don't have to type it anymore." And
01:28:00 ◼ ► I opened it up and just copy-pasted, put it in the Paprika, and did a little bit of editing, and
01:28:21 ◼ ► once you get used to it, you almost can't go back to not having it. So it's like making me look at
01:28:27 ◼ ► every machine I have that's not updated to the latest and greatest and cast a stink eye at it.
01:28:32 ◼ ► But when I first started, it was like when they announced it, I was like, "That sounds awesome."
01:29:08 ◼ ► And if you, for whatever reason, either out of personal hesitancy or specific technical
01:29:15 ◼ ► limitations or rules, can't upgrade to Mac OS 12 Monterey yet, you should definitely take a look
01:29:23 ◼ ► at TextSniper in the meantime. But even TextSniper, which works great, very accurate, pretty
01:29:29 ◼ ► convenient to use. It's sort of like taking a screenshot where it's like you say, "I wanna
01:29:34 ◼ ► capture some text," and you go into a mode and you get a cursor that looks like a plus symbol,
01:29:45 ◼ ► It works pretty well. But nothing... It can't compete with something built into the system
01:29:49 ◼ ► where every time that you open an image, there's this little icon that says, "I've already
01:29:52 ◼ ► identified text here. Just click here and you can copy it," like it's live text. It's amazing.
01:29:59 ◼ ► And to me, like I said, it's so much... Something I will use so much more on the Mac than anywhere
01:30:06 ◼ ► else, even though I'm glad it's on iOS and iPad too, but it's my favorite feature of Monterey.
01:30:13 ◼ ► And I would update to Monterey even if that was the only feature. If they were just like,
01:30:23 ◼ ► but we do have live text," I would be like, "Four gigabytes download right now. Here we go."
01:30:36 ◼ ► this was the first thing that I noticed for sure was simply the return of sensible tabs.
01:31:00 ◼ ► I have a basic sense that Mac OS 12 Monterey is not a huge update and it's not that different
01:31:08 ◼ ► than Mac OS 11 Big Sur in a good way, right? Like in a snow leopard, no major new features way and
01:31:16 ◼ ► people... Some of those are the best remembered Mac OS versions over the years because they focused
01:31:24 ◼ ► engineering resources on stability and fixing bugs and not adding a lot of... But there's more
01:31:31 ◼ ► new stuff than I remembered off the top of my head. But like the Safari list is now funny
01:31:37 ◼ ► because it's like the last bullet item is optional compact tab mode, saves space. And it's like...
01:31:52 ◼ ► that they changed their mind collectively and reverted to tabs that look... Not just when you're
01:32:00 ◼ ► not in compact mode, but that that's actually the default tabs too, so that like my parents won't
01:32:11 ◼ ► I didn't... Yeah, my parents did. That didn't occur to me, but I thought if Karen updated,
01:32:21 ◼ ► again, worth trying, but never should have made it out of the prototype stage and probably should
01:32:28 ◼ ► have been nixed early and somehow didn't. But it does make for a funny Safari section in the
01:32:48 ◼ ► Pete; But I mean that in a very complementary way. I feel like Big Sur was a 11, Mac OS 11 Big Sur
01:32:57 ◼ ► was a total corner-to-corner refresh of the UI. Not radical, but they redrew everything. The menu
01:33:06 ◼ ► bar looks different and they added the control center, which like you said, it still is a little
01:33:21 ◼ ► Pete; But lots of stuff, you know, they made a couple of things more iOS-y for whatever
01:33:26 ◼ ► reasons. But Monterey isn't like that, but in a good way, right? Like it's just sort of polished up
01:33:32 ◼ ► stuff and I like it. And I've had very good, you know, a couple of Macs I've had it on,
01:33:37 ◼ ► including the review unit upstairs, which, you know, the new MacBook Pro, which of course has
01:33:44 ◼ ► to have Monterey because new hardware always runs the latest operating system. Kudos to Apple for
01:34:03 ◼ ► I think it's a weird saga though, where the long, I think the, the very, the layperson's explanation
01:34:11 ◼ ► is that there's three ways to make a Mac app, but a native one. The AppKit, which is the long-standing
01:34:18 ◼ ► framework that goes all the way back to NeXT, which is what most Mac apps are written with,
01:34:25 ◼ ► you can use Catalyst, which is sort of debuted alongside Swift UI, what, three years ago,
01:34:38 ◼ ► but you could use that now on the Mac too. And it's a way, you know, the, the idea is that
01:34:44 ◼ ► you could share a code base across platforms to save time. And also for developers, there's just
01:34:52 ◼ ► way more iPhone and iPad developers than there are Mac developers. Well, you know, maybe this will
01:34:57 ◼ ► get more Mac apps and Swift UI and Swift UI is actually, it is also used to make all the widgets
01:35:06 ◼ ► and it's Swift UI is great for widgets. Swift UI does not seem great yet for apps. And, but the
01:35:15 ◼ ► way, you know, there's that term dog fooding, right? Like the way that a company needs to dog,
01:35:24 ◼ ► And, you know, you have to, somebody has to be the first major app inside Apple to use Swift UI
01:35:33 ◼ ► as the framework to make the whole app. And it turns out it was shortcuts and it, you know,
01:35:41 ◼ ► it was a Rocky landing is a way to put it. You know, Federico Faticchi is the biggest shortcuts
01:35:52 ◼ ► fanad fan power user I could imagine. He not only, he writes about them, he shares them to
01:36:00 ◼ ► Mac stories users, and some of them do amazing things. It's, and, you know, and he, he'll say,
01:36:06 ◼ ► he's not a programmer and it's like, no, you're a programmer. Shortcuts hasn't turned you into
01:36:15 ◼ ► And you're building these amazing things. And I'm, I read his stuff and it's not just on Mac,
01:36:25 ◼ ► you know, you, it's like you have a 30 step shortcut and every three steps, the apps just
01:36:31 ◼ ► stops letting you enter text and you have to close it, go back, reopen it. It's, it's Rocky.
01:36:38 ◼ ► And it's, it's really kind of weird. It's, I'm glad it's there on Mac OS 12 Monterey. And it's,
01:36:50 ◼ ► Apple script user, and I use keyboard maestro, but none of those things go cross-platform,
01:36:56 ◼ ► right? Apple script and keyboard maestro are only on the Mac and shortcuts was only on the iPhone.
01:37:08 ◼ ► But where shortcuts, you know, is today is, is not, not, not good. Yeah. Anything else?
01:37:26 ◼ ► Well, my thanks to you for being on the show. You, you've, what else do, what do you want
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