00:00:04 ◼ ► It's the weirdness of the erratic schedule of the talk show where I just published a show with moltz yesterday
00:00:10 ◼ ► But I got to get another October show in and and there's so much more to talk about that
00:00:17 ◼ ► When moltz and I talked I think the Nats backs were getting against the wall now, it's tied three to three
00:00:41 ◼ ► Yankees aside, okay, you know Astros had the best record and the Astros beat the Yankees. So, you know fair's fair
00:00:52 ◼ ► But my I was just in Houston for the entire time that the Nationals are playing in in DC
00:01:04 ◼ ► But I didn't get to go to any of them and they went to the games when they were in Houston
00:02:26 ◼ ► 20 years ago is a long time ago if you think about it, I first got there rich seagull the founder
00:02:37 ◼ ► And Jim Korea who's now he's moved on he's at the he's at the Omni group now good friend of mine
00:03:04 ◼ ► Maybe you and Jim need cards like that as well. Yeah, that's where I'm going. I got it. I got to work on that
00:03:14 ◼ ► So anyway by the time that's what I'm saying about the the offsetting of podcasting is this show won't come out till tomorrow
00:03:20 ◼ ► So by tomorrow the whole world will know who won the World Series probably to be I'll either be very drunk or very sad
00:03:29 ◼ ► No, I guess very drunk or very drunk. Yeah, that's the way to put it. Yeah. Yeah. It's just different types of drunks, right?
00:03:36 ◼ ► Anyway, I don't want to see you know famously you can't open these tech podcasts with lots and lots of baseball to talk
00:03:44 ◼ ► But there was a band last night's game was a wackadoo. So number one here some math and nerdery. I thought about this
00:03:49 ◼ ► This is something that has nothing to do with baseball in particular, but has to do with
00:04:00 ◼ ► is the best of seven series. Whichever team has the better record from the regular season,
00:04:06 ◼ ► gets home field advantage. First two games are played at their ballpark. Next three games are
00:04:12 ◼ ► played at the other team's ballpark. And then the final two games, if necessary, if one of the two
00:04:17 ◼ ► teams hasn't already won four games are played at the home field advantage teams ballpark.
00:04:31 ◼ ► away team, which has never happened in the World Series. It has never happened in a baseball
00:04:39 ◼ ► Major League Baseball seven game series. And it's also did you know this never happened
00:04:44 ◼ ► in the other two major sports in the US that have playoff series. Football doesn't count
00:04:49 ◼ ► because you play one game and done. But in the NHL and in the NBA, there has never been
00:04:54 ◼ ► a seven game series in the postseason, the playoffs or whatever you want to call it where
00:05:02 ◼ ► So I knew about, you know, the home team thing happening right now, but I never knew that
00:05:33 ◼ ► And all I could get are explanations for how they determine home field advantage, you know,
00:06:08 ◼ ► the stakes mean something, whoever wins the World Series, that league gets homefield advantage
00:06:14 ◼ ► in the World Series, which was terribly unfair. Before that, you remember when we were kids,
00:06:19 ◼ ► the way they did it was just every other year. It was like, I forget which one was which,
00:06:23 ◼ ► but like odd years, the National League team hosted even years the American League team.
00:06:38 ◼ ► And I gotta say this, this setup is good. It's fair. It's, you know, I like, I like it,
00:06:45 ◼ ► but especially it's the first experience that my team has had right in the world series. We've
00:06:49 ◼ ► never been here before. We've always done poorly in the post season and now we're just one game
00:06:54 ◼ ► away from magic. Yeah. And it's weird watching on TV as a fan. Now I have no, no real bones in this.
00:07:04 ◼ ► And I can't say I really hate and you know, it's like the Red Sox are in and I would just
00:07:15 ◼ ► There's a lot not a lot not to like about the Astros a lot of a lot of teams think they cheat
00:07:19 ◼ ► That they they got like, you know, electronic gizmos throughout the ballpark trying to steal pitches and signals and stuff
00:07:58 ◼ ► The Astros definitely handled that situation about as badly as you can handle a PR situation.
00:08:05 ◼ ► Really terribly. I don't know what they were thinking, really. I don't want to get into it, but
00:08:19 ◼ ► American League championship. They have a pitcher who was in a domestic abuse situation and was
00:08:27 ◼ ► suspended for 75 games, played for another team. They traded to get him on the cheap because he
00:08:31 ◼ ► was sort of damaged goods because he, you know, had beaten up his girlfriend or something, you
00:08:36 ◼ ► know, whatever it was he did. Signed him. He came in, he pitched in the game that they were talking
00:08:41 ◼ ► about, this is against the Yankees, gave up a home run that tied the game and then the Astros won it
00:08:48 ◼ ► anyway. But this pitcher, you know, kind of stuck up the joint. He blew a save with a home run.
00:08:53 ◼ ► And meanwhile, this guy's in the locker room saying, "I'm so glad we got him. I'm so glad
00:08:57 ◼ ► we got Asuna." And he's shouting it right at these women baseball reporters, one of whom was wearing
00:09:01 ◼ ► the purple bracelet that symbolizes support for domestic abuse survivors and victims. And he's
00:09:09 ◼ ► shouting it right in their face, which really clearly was sort of like he's trying to stick
00:09:19 ◼ ► have been a worse look for someone. Right. So one of the reporters wrote the story up for
00:09:23 ◼ ► Jennifer Epstein, I believe her name is I know her last name is Epstein. I think she's Jennifer,
00:09:28 ◼ ► but she writes for Sports Illustrated, wrote it up. So far, it's already a stinky problem. You
00:09:35 ◼ ► know, it's not good. And what the Astros should have done at this point said, Hey, this guy,
00:09:38 ◼ ► you know, we're gonna, we the Astros are gonna suspend this guy, you know, we're gonna look into
00:09:43 ◼ ► this, you know, he's suspended for 12 weeks while Major League Baseball looks into it. Maybe he
00:09:47 ◼ ► he could have salvaged his baseball career. But instead, what the Houston Astros did is denied it.
00:09:53 ◼ ► They said this Sports Illustrated story is, you know, not true, and we can't believe they published
00:09:58 ◼ ► it. And then the part that it's like, you have to think like, what did they think was going to
00:10:04 ◼ ► happen is like, at least half a dozen other reporters from various publications who were
00:10:10 ◼ ► in the room said, I saw it happen. And what's what what's in the Sports Illustrated story is exactly
00:10:50 ◼ ► where a guy, Trey Turner, leadoff man, speedy guy for the Nationals, hit a weird little
00:11:09 ◼ ► around in it. So it looked like the Nationals were going to have men on second and third
00:11:14 ◼ ► with one out. Nobody out. Nobody out. Nobody out. Which is really in a, what was it, top
00:11:20 ◼ ► at the time? Yeah. Or were those three, two? They were up three, two. Yeah. And anyway,
00:11:26 ◼ ► the home plate umpire says that he ran into the baseline, it interfered with the ability to make
00:11:31 ◼ ► the play, and he's out. And the guy from third has to go all the way back to first. Even if he
00:11:37 ◼ ► was out, he's, you know, I understand that's how the rules are written, and if he's going to call
00:11:45 ◼ ► I haven't seen one person say, "You know what? Actually, it was the right call." Usually,
00:11:51 ◼ ► there's always the actually guy, right? I haven't seen one person defend the call. It's actually
00:11:57 ◼ ► maybe the least controversial play I've ever seen. Even that terrible pass interference call
00:12:05 ◼ ► in the NFC playoff game last year, I saw at least a few people say, "You know, it was kind of close
00:12:16 ◼ ► you can't go by the slow motion even though that's what the instant replay rule is for.
00:12:21 ◼ ► That was the only other thing I could compare it to. I hadn't seen anybody have any defense
00:12:25 ◼ ► for this at all. I don't see what Trey Turner could have done differently other than agree
00:12:38 ◼ ► clearly that the runner is supposed to only make an honest attempt to get to the base and
00:12:47 ◼ ► You know with his arms or is the path he takes to try to interfere with their ability to throw the ball to the ahead
00:13:06 ◼ ► the instant replay. So they didn't challenge it and they went to instant replay and they had a
00:13:14 ◼ ► commercial break. It was incredibly long and baseball fans with the what so there's an instant
00:13:20 ◼ ► replay rule for those of you don't watch and it's only a couple years old but basically teams can
00:13:24 ◼ ► challenge a call and not every call but most calls. The umpire or the managers of the team,
00:13:42 ◼ ► motion tells the umpires in the ballpark, here's what it should be scored and then they
00:13:47 ◼ ► come out and it's over and it takes usually takes 90 seconds to two minutes. Fans already
00:13:52 ◼ ► gripe about that, right? This is like a common gripe that the two minutes it takes for a
00:13:56 ◼ ► replay takes too long. It needs to be sped up. The baseball games already take too long,
00:14:01 ◼ ► speed it up. This one took like five, six minutes. And then it turns out that they were
00:14:06 ◼ ► saying that it wasn't even a reviewable play. Like the rules for which plays can be reviewed
00:14:11 ◼ ► or not don't include the runner's interference. Which is crazy. Just the whole thing was crazy.
00:14:24 ◼ ► My theory and I really think it's what happened. I don't think it's a crazy theory. My theory is that
00:14:35 ◼ ► They should say hey they challenged this and then the guy in New York would say you know what this that's not a reviewable play
00:14:40 ◼ ► So it doesn't matter. I don't even have to look at the replay. I don't have to look at it
00:14:45 ◼ ► We can't review it then they'd take the headsets off and say it's you know, the call stands. It's not reviewable instead
00:14:51 ◼ ► I think what happened is that in they looked at it in New York and realized how awful the call was and how big the
00:14:57 ◼ ► Situation was and that they desperately were trying to figure out a way that they could overturn it
00:15:02 ◼ ► That's what I think it was all about. I think you could be right about that. I mean, it's possible
00:15:07 ◼ ► I think that it was so egregious so clearly against the spirit of the play and so it just made the umpires look so bad
00:15:43 ◼ ► Well, it's a lot like that pass interference call on the Saints last year, but except it's,
00:15:54 ◼ ► So I at that I have to take my word for this. I mean, I could send screenshots, but you know,
00:16:03 ◼ ► who's a friend of the show, previous guest, co host with my wife of the Just the Tip podcast,
00:16:09 ◼ ► which is, I guess, still in hiatus. Good friend. I texted him and we both agreed. Terrible call.
00:16:15 ◼ ► Oh my God. And I said the baseball gods should give the Nationals a home run after that.
00:16:23 ◼ ► And what actually happened is two batters later, Anthony Rendon hit a two-run home run.
00:16:30 ◼ ► Unbelievable. You can't make this up. And you got to think, in his mind, he was probably steaming
00:16:38 ◼ ► about this. But he is such a such a cool customer. He may be, in my mind, one of the best batters
00:16:45 ◼ ► in baseball in terms of, you know, just knowing the strike zone and having great vision and
00:16:56 ◼ ► Now, the backstory for me personally, which is what I was texting you about, but I think
00:17:00 ◼ ► it's a funny story is I still needed to write up my day one review of AirPods Pro. And I
00:17:08 ◼ ► like half written, half notes, but it was already like 1030 at night. I didn't want to, I couldn't
00:17:14 ◼ ► watch the rest of the game. You know, three innings of baseball could take a long time.
00:17:17 ◼ ► I wanted to do it while I was, you know, hot. And I'm really bad at estimating how long it takes me
00:17:23 ◼ ► to finish something like that. Like for all I knew, I'd be up till three in the morning.
00:17:27 ◼ ► So I paused the game on my TiVo and immediately, or maybe even before I paused it, I turned on
00:17:34 ◼ ► on Do Not Disturb on my phone so that I would no longer get text messages or alerts from
00:17:47 ◼ ► finish my review, then go upstairs and unpause the game and watch the rest while still in
00:18:00 ◼ ► off. It took me another at least two hours, I think an hour or two. I forget. Yeah, it was
00:18:05 ◼ ► after midnight when I published it and I had to sort of backdate it to get the date to be yesterday.
00:18:10 ◼ ► You know, no small accomplishment because to be able to pause a game like that of with this kind
00:18:17 ◼ ► of importance and get no clue, no spoilers, no one ruined it for you. That's incredible.
00:18:23 ◼ ► I was still getting iMessage alerts. Ben Thompson texted me a couple of things and I just averted
00:18:33 ◼ ► my eyes from the notification. It didn't matter to me. I kind of vaguely saw that it was Ben's
00:18:40 ◼ ► avatar from iMessage and I knew who it was but I didn't read it and I had my alerts come in on the
00:18:47 ◼ ► right side on a Mac. My text was on the left and I just wouldn't look over. I've got that kind of
00:18:51 ◼ ► of discipline. But I successfully pulled it off. I waited two hours. I believe the game
00:18:57 ◼ ► was over. I can't be sure because I couldn't check. I don't know what time the game ended.
00:19:06 ◼ ► three to two right after that controversial call and my prediction that the baseball gods
00:19:10 ◼ ► would reward them with a home run. I unpause it. I crack open a beer and two batters later
00:19:21 ◼ ► We did it I couldn't I was so mad that I didn't tweet it because that would have added a
00:19:26 ◼ ► Timestamp right you can famously because you can't edit tweets it actually would have but I swear I texted it anyway
00:19:33 ◼ ► I believe you I believe you good luck tonight Dave. I really I really am rooting for him. What do you think's gonna happen?
00:20:22 ◼ ► LCS to the World Series that's about 40% something. Yeah, and that was my ballpark estimate. So I thought I'll go with that
00:20:28 ◼ ► So what are the odds that something with a 40% chance would happen six times in a row six straight games?
00:20:41 ◼ ► Like point zero zero four nine something so rounding rounding off about you know, since we're just making up the advantage
00:21:01 ◼ ► The other weird thing I swear to you. I hope this is you know, well if you don't like sports, you know, come on
00:21:08 ◼ ► I listen to video game talk on other podcasts and I don't like video games. So, you know,
00:21:19 ◼ ► I just like baseball. And I find playoff baseball to be terribly exciting to watch no matter
00:21:30 ◼ ► has won every game because every single game has ended with the feel of like a funeral.
00:21:36 ◼ ► Yeah, absolutely. And there's a lot of, you know, the things that almost get them back into it are
00:21:46 ◼ ► incredibly more powerful. Yeah. And a couple of these games have gotten away at the very end.
00:21:51 ◼ ► So last night's game was terribly, as we just asserted, in the seventh inning out of nine
00:22:04 ◼ ► But they hit a two-run homer, then they hit another homer, and it ended up they had, what,
00:22:12 ◼ ► sense of dread of, "Oh, I was really, you know, this is bad." It's six straight games of that sort
00:22:20 ◼ ► of, you know, you don't hear that raucous deliria of a crowd seeing their home team, you know,
00:22:39 ◼ ► normally in baseball in the post season, in any kind of series, you'll line up your pitchers,
00:22:43 ◼ ► right? So the best pitcher pitches against the best pitcher because our best pitcher was hurt.
00:22:48 ◼ ► We're now in a slot where our third best pitcher is supposed to pitch tonight, but magically
00:23:02 ◼ ► is now, and he's a great pitcher. He's not just our best pitcher. He's one of the best pitchers
00:23:11 ◼ ► >> He was supposed to pitch on two days ago, three days ago, and woke up, woke up with like
00:23:16 ◼ ► a neck cramp that was so bad that he couldn't even get himself dressed. Right. But it's worked
00:23:22 ◼ ► to some you know i mean you get older you sleep wrong i some you know i i kind of like it sounds
00:23:27 ◼ ► a little weird because you just don't see that with pro athletes but you know like a neck cramp
00:23:31 ◼ ► or a pinched nerve or something you know could could be like that anyway did you see that you
00:23:36 ◼ ► had to have seen i know you're watching the guy who uh he's a nationals fan and a couple of games
00:23:42 ◼ ► ago yeah the bud guy yeah so there's this guy in the stands with he's sitting in the first row out
00:23:53 ◼ ► he'd be right there in prime location to maybe catch the ball. Lo and behold, a home run
00:24:05 ◼ ► one in each hand. A two-fisted drinker. Yeah, and they were big cans of beer too. They were like,
00:24:11 ◼ ► I don't know, pints, maybe even, I don't know if there's something, if there's a can that's bigger
00:24:20 ◼ ► possibly holding it for a friend or his wife or something. But anyway, the balls coming
00:24:24 ◼ ► right at him. He's got two, two cans of beer. He doesn't panic. He just lets the ball hit
00:24:30 ◼ ► him in the chest. It drops right in front of them. And then he kneels down, I get presumably
00:24:40 ◼ ► Just like a soccer play. You know, that thing where you stop the ball with your chest and
00:25:20 ◼ ► There's a guy next to him who sort of scrambles over to try to pick up the ball off the ground.
00:25:37 ◼ ► And clearly the guy who let that ball hit him right in the chest and have it drop right
00:25:41 ◼ ► in front of him deserves that ball. Absolutely. Right, so that guy, I want to know who that
00:25:50 ◼ ► the guy. Because that's sort of a bad move. Yeah, bad move, bad move. But the funny thing
00:25:56 ◼ ► to add to all the funny things is that Budweiser sponsored the guy. They bought him tickets
00:26:11 ◼ ► You're 15 minutes of fame ladies and gentlemen, what's the slogan it's like always protect the beer or something like that
00:26:22 ◼ ► I don't know but there's some guy who at an eyes or bush or some marketing guy who jumped on that and it's like
00:26:28 ◼ ► That guy he's on his way up. He's up the cover. He's going right up the corporate ladder
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00:29:08 ◼ ► I'm fascinated by it. I thought your write-up was great, and especially in the sense that it really,
00:29:14 ◼ ► for someone who's never seen them, and most of us have never seen the AirPods Pro, you really
00:29:21 ◼ ► took us on a journey and answered, I think, the questions, certainly the questions that
00:29:36 ◼ ► like, getting something, you know, and there was no embargo on it from Apple. Apple, you know,
00:29:44 ◼ ► I didn't find out. I didn't know until I think Sunday night that there was something on Tuesday
00:29:48 ◼ ► in New York, you know, and they don't tell you exactly what it is. And then and then on Monday,
00:29:53 ◼ ► Apple officially announced them, you know, with a newsroom post, and then they unveiled the
00:30:00 ◼ ► spectacularly bad website. Scroll up a lose. So once that happened, then Apple PR, you know,
00:30:09 ◼ ► said, you know, this is for, you know, the this is this is why we want you to come to New York for a
00:30:14 ◼ ► a briefing. It'll be on background only, which is their usual terms. And they wanted to emphasize
00:30:21 ◼ ► that I, which I knew, but maybe other people in the media wouldn't, is that you needed to
00:30:27 ◼ ► upgrade your phone to 13.2 to support, you know, the AirPods Pro require iOS 13.2 or later.
00:30:38 ◼ ► So yeah, I was in New York, I got them, talked to Apple, asked questions. And then, you know,
00:30:44 ◼ ► left around 230, got home around five, but you know, it was a really good test. I mean,
00:30:50 ◼ ► I'm not going to repeat all of it. But I mean, New York City streets, New York City subway,
00:30:54 ◼ ► the Amtrak train, and you know, if you and for those of you, I know that that's sort of a
00:30:59 ◼ ► regional thing in the US, but you know, Amtrak is, how would you say it compares to an airplane
00:31:21 ◼ ► Yeah. That's what it's like. And it's almost nonstop. Obviously, when the train's stopped,
00:31:35 ◼ ► it's really loud and if the AirPods Pro could deal with that, I think that's a really good test. The
00:31:43 ◼ ► airplane, I think there's less calculations per second going on. Yeah, it seems like easier noise
00:31:50 ◼ ► to filter. It's sort of like pure white noise in a way. And then walking from 30th Street Station
00:31:57 ◼ ► back to my home in Center City, Philly, and wearing them around the house where it isn't noisy.
00:32:02 ◼ ► Pretty good test. I mean, so getting stuff and trying to write about it that night is really,
00:32:08 ◼ ► really hard. For a complex product, I'd never even try it. Like, I maybe for like, first impressions,
00:32:14 ◼ ► if I only got, if I got like a review unit iPhone, maybe I'd write something that the night that I
00:32:21 ◼ ► got it. But for the most part, even just doing them on a one week schedule seems incredibly
00:32:26 ◼ ► difficult. But AirPods are so simple, really, you know, that it kind of can be encapsulated,
00:33:06 ◼ ► Bose QuietComfort 2s, I think the model number is, but I have a couple year old player Bose
00:33:13 ◼ ► noise canceling over the ear headphones. Okay, so let me ask you a question that I have,
00:33:34 ◼ ► And they are wireless. They're, you know, they're, they're, they're, you know, I don't know. I
00:33:42 ◼ ► Let's say you did, right? And you have, because you have a sense of how they are with noise
00:37:04 ◼ ► So can you explain, using a real-world example, what would, if I was in an environment where
00:37:11 ◼ ► had noise cancellation on, I hear nothing but music if I have music on, or I hear nothing
00:37:16 ◼ ► if I've got nothing playing. But with transparency, what kind of noises would filter through?
00:37:24 ◼ ► Yes, definitely. You hear most things. It's very hard to describe and I can't record it,
00:37:33 ◼ ► it. Even if I could record it, you listening it with a different sort of, you know, like
00:37:41 ◼ ► a speaker on your computer or different type of headphones that don't have the silicone
00:37:47 ◼ ► seals to seal off your ears, you kind of have to experience it. But you definitely hear
00:37:51 ◼ ► ambient noise. So, again, in my corner grocery store where the cooler is pretty loud, you
00:38:00 ◼ ► know, the thing that you can walk up and take cold beverages out of and buy them. You don't
00:38:06 ◼ ► hear it at all with noise cancellation, but you definitely hear it with transparency on.
00:38:24 ◼ ► is sort of dampened, but you hear it. It's really hard to explain. And they're definitely
00:38:31 ◼ ► filtering stuff and it's not just pure pass through. You know, it's not like they're just
00:38:36 ◼ ► broadcasting what what's on the outside, although mostly they are, but it's, you know, and it's
00:38:42 ◼ ► obviously meant to be to keep what it is you're listening to either music or, you know, the
00:38:48 ◼ ► video that you're watching or a podcast you're listening to your, your are obviously supposed
00:39:51 ◼ ► with these AirPods Pro buds with transparency on compared to the regular AirPods. What are
00:40:19 ◼ ► ear that they're different and it definitely sounds different. But I don't like walking
00:40:30 ◼ ► know, and obviously too isolated, right? Right. And it's not like you can't be safe as a pedestrian
00:40:36 ◼ ► walking around the city like that. Because quite obviously, there are, you know, millions
00:40:39 ◼ ► of people who have low hearing, who navigate the world just fine. But because I don't have
00:41:18 ◼ ► know, like what would have happened if these AirPods Pro had come out and they only had
00:41:22 ◼ ► noise cancellation on or off and they didn't have transparency? I was trying to think about
00:41:27 ◼ ► it today and I'm not sure what I would have done. It's hard to say, but I definitely know
00:41:48 ◼ ► term, but you know what I mean. It's that sell the thing they can sell something that can get their
00:41:53 ◼ ► hands around as a selling team, right? They did this. This would have been perfect for a keynote.
00:41:59 ◼ ► This would have been a perfect thing with, you know, something play some sound playing in a video
00:42:06 ◼ ► playing above Tim Cook's head or whoever, where they they flipped the switch and you were in noise
00:42:12 ◼ ► cancellation mode and they flipped another switch and now you're in transparency mode and you could
00:42:40 ◼ ► HomePod. I think it was at WWDC. This is really hard. He wanted to demonstrate the way that
00:42:51 ◼ ► has an accelerometer. And as soon as you move it, it knows to reconfigure itself. As soon
00:42:55 ◼ ► as it detects it, you've stopped moving it. And how do you simulate the way that HomePod
00:43:02 ◼ ► will sound in your living room or your kitchen or your office in a 5,000 person auditorium?
00:43:08 ◼ ► But HomePod, I think you're listening to the quality of the audio, whereas this would be,
00:43:14 ◼ ► like, you could demonstrate noise cancellation easily, right? Because you'd have sound, sound,
00:43:19 ◼ ► sound, sound, sound, and then quiet, a hush. And then you'd have, you know, I think they could do
00:43:24 ◼ ► it, but I'll tell you what, I think we're going to see some pretty cool commercials. Apple's going to,
00:43:45 ◼ ► Probably possibly have never used noise cancelling headphones before and probably if they have they've had over the ear ones not
00:44:02 ◼ ► It's essential to the nature of the product is the fact that because they're in earbuds
00:44:18 ◼ ► Turn them off they you know, they're effectively like wearing earplugs. You you do hear less of the real world around you and
00:44:29 ◼ ► Transparency mode on than you do even if you turn noise cancellation completely off because once they're in your ear
00:44:45 ◼ ► Put yourself in the in the you know the position of someone with a budget who's on a budget who I could you know
00:44:54 ◼ ► You can buy all the all the gear but someone just a regular person who's thinking about I want to buy some headphones
00:45:08 ◼ ► There's there's three price points unless I like to round up the extra buck, so let's call regular air pods
00:45:35 ◼ ► See to 250 is a pretty big jump and I could see how someone who's price-conscious is just gonna go for the hundred sixty dollar
00:45:51 ◼ ► 200 on the one with the Qi charging case you might as well spend 50 more bucks and get these
00:45:55 ◼ ► Provided that you give them a shot first if you know if you're really I mean you could buy them and if you do if
00:46:05 ◼ ► You you know you can send them back to Apple in the return period so you don't have to go to the store to try
00:46:14 ◼ ► So you know the fact that you can try them on in the store is to me a big advantage if I were uncertain about
00:48:24 ◼ ► regular AirPods, if he shakes his head back and forth pretty quickly, like a pretty vehement,
00:49:01 ◼ ► And they come with different, like the Powerbeats Pro, they come with a different sort of clickable
00:49:15 ◼ ► The way it clicks audibly in the ear on the side on which you click it, it so much makes
00:49:38 ◼ ► I had my son try it and didn't tell him how it worked. And I was like, Now, do you think
00:49:43 ◼ ► that really clicked or not? And he was completely convinced it clicked. And then when I told
00:49:47 ◼ ► you know, and then I had him take it out and squeeze it and it didn't click. He thought
00:49:50 ◼ ► that maybe they had done something like the force track trackpad and had haptic, you know,
00:49:55 ◼ ► something haptic in there. And I was like, Nope, there's no haptics. It's literally just
00:49:59 ◼ ► the sound of the click. But it's so low latency. And so perfectly, you know, like the the amount
00:50:05 ◼ ► you have to squeeze feels exactly right, that it convinces your brain that you're clicking
00:50:10 ◼ ► a button. I love it. It's really I think it's great. And I think it's one of the best things
00:50:14 ◼ ► versus regular AirPods because I don't think that that tapping the AirPods thing is a great.
00:50:21 ◼ ► I don't think that's a great way to a physical control. It just seems like you're punishing
00:50:32 ◼ ► there's a little bit of a sweet spot and I still to this day don't know what the sweet spot is but I
00:50:37 ◼ ► there are times when I tap and nothing and then I get it right it's like I move my finger a little
00:50:42 ◼ ► bit yeah so I think changing to the button is uh is a real a real deal um one of the things they
00:50:49 ◼ ► talked about in the briefing and again it's on background but I think it's okay to you know to
00:50:54 ◼ ► reveal it as background info and they kind of get into it in the marketing page for the airpods um
00:51:55 ◼ ► it stand for? System in package, which is sort of like a system, like the way they call
00:52:52 ◼ ► come out of regular AirPods are mostly filled with battery, right? The microphones in there,
00:52:58 ◼ ► you know, one of the microphones is in there. And so there's obviously some circuit, you
00:53:02 ◼ ► know, cables and stuff to connect the microphone to the rest of it. But it's mostly filled
00:53:07 ◼ ► with battery, but that they made them shorter now because they don't need the space for
00:53:11 ◼ ► the battery because they could put more of the battery in the other part of the EarPod.
00:53:16 ◼ ► The other thing that I think they've kind of glossed over in the marketing, but I think it's a real thing. I
00:54:02 ◼ ► Mismatched especially like when you're wearing them on an airplane where the air pressure changes significantly
00:54:08 ◼ ► So I haven't worn these on an airplane yet and can't verify that it's significantly different
00:54:28 ◼ ► SIP chip that the h1's in being so much smaller because they it's so much smaller that they have space in these tiny little
00:54:40 ◼ ► Right. That's the whole point. I'm trying to make here is that not only did they make the stem smaller, which is obvious
00:54:45 ◼ ► But they actually had space to just leave his space so that they could pass through the air to keep the air pressure the same
00:54:56 ◼ ► I'm looking at you know, I'm sort of on the website scroll scroll up Alou's a website, you know, just sort of that crazy
00:55:04 ◼ ► And and it looks like they're as you're describing all this. I'm seeing it. It's you described it. Well the
00:55:11 ◼ ► Those events are they seem much bigger than what was on the first generation or the second generation air pods
00:55:18 ◼ ► Yeah, they're definitely bigger and the second generation air pods. I looked it up while you were talking
00:55:25 ◼ ► WWDC March 20th was the of this year was the announcement remember that sequence of things that happened
00:55:45 ◼ ► But yeah, it was like the week of announcements you're right it was like, you know Monday here's this Tuesday, here's that
00:55:57 ◼ ► Obviously did not happen and that tile thing. Oh, yeah people want that. I don't think that's coming this year
00:56:03 ◼ ► I don't know that seems like something that maybe got postponed for whatever reason until next year
00:56:08 ◼ ► Because that seems like something that they would have to do on stage in an event that seems like
00:56:18 ◼ ► Again, I think some people who don't think about it clearly don't think you know people who are surprised
00:56:24 ◼ ► I saw a whole bunch of people yesterday say that Apple quietly announced the AirPods Pro.
00:56:31 ◼ ► The only thing is that they didn't hold one of their big public keynote events, but they
00:56:37 ◼ ► kind of did a huge full-court press in terms of getting as many people in the tech industry
00:56:44 ◼ ► You know, the seating, you know, a day before the writer types like me and Joanna Stern
00:56:49 ◼ ► and Eli from the Verge, you know, day before us, they had the YouTubers come in and MKBHD
00:56:56 ◼ ► and iJustine and, you know, a couple of, you know, people with millions of subscribers.
00:57:02 ◼ ► I mean, I think MKBHD is up to just a hair under 10 million subscribers on his YouTube channel.
00:57:07 ◼ ► I mean, a whole bunch of YouTube influence had videos drop yesterday morning about these things.
00:57:19 ◼ ► I mean, that's a big deal. Yeah, it was not quiet. I mean, you couldn't you couldn't miss it
00:57:33 ◼ ► Really don't want they really want to hold keep their powder dry and hold events when it really means something and if anything
00:57:40 ◼ ► You know the one that sticks out in recent years would be that one they held last March where it was just about
00:57:50 ◼ ► Right like that was the event that sort of stands out is sort of the exception to the rule that I'm trying to say they
00:57:56 ◼ ► Standby but except that I think that people like us weren't the audience for that event
00:58:01 ◼ ► I think it was meant for Wall Street. It was you know the reason they held an event without
00:58:06 ◼ ► Previews to show was simply to make a statement about how serious they were about subscription revenue
00:58:15 ◼ ► You know, I do get the feeling that there's a sea change in terms of how product is being
00:58:24 ◼ ► announced. It started with the March stuff, you know, with the, you know, we're just going
00:58:28 ◼ ► to put out a news press release. And maybe it's accompanied by seeding various writers,
00:58:41 ◼ ► a student, if you got a $4.99 a month Apple Music student subscription, they're now bundling
00:58:49 ◼ ► Apple TV+ for free. Have you heard that one? No, I did not hear that. Yeah. So that's a thing.
00:58:55 ◼ ► And I'd say one reason you didn't hear of it was because it didn't even make an Apple newsroom
00:59:03 ◼ ► story. It was Haley Steinfeld, the, the, uh, you know, she's, she plays Emily Dickinson
00:59:10 ◼ ► on the new Apple TV plus show. She announced it on Instagram, which is a weird for Apple.
00:59:18 ◼ ► That's like they're so famous for their precise control of, of their message. And how often
00:59:31 ◼ ► I did. I think this was this morning. Yeah. It was the first story of this morning. So if you
00:59:36 ◼ ► scroll back, you'll see it's the headline is $4.99 a month, Apple music students subscription,
00:59:41 ◼ ► now bundles, blah, blah, blah. But, uh, you could see how prepared I was for this podcast by not
00:59:46 ◼ ► having read your work from today. I just, that's fine. But I, uh, I think that it's interesting
00:59:53 ◼ ► that she's, um, that they allowed someone, you know, clearly it's someone, they have a very
01:00:00 ◼ ► strong relationship with because she's a star of an Apple TV plus show and one of their,
01:00:06 ◼ ► I would say better rated Apple TV plus shows. And uh, but, but that's weird to me that on
01:00:13 ◼ ► Instagram, you know, not even an Apple controlled thing. Instagram is a Facebook thing, right?
01:00:19 ◼ ► Yeah. Well, I, you know, I think you're right that it's sort of a detection of the sea change
01:00:28 ◼ ► message across. In the Steve Jobs era, I think it speaks to the generation that Steve Jobs
01:00:38 ◼ ► was and I think it was true for that. I don't think he fell behind the times, but he clearly
01:00:50 ◼ ► hands-on about the public relations and product marketing strategy than Tim Cook is. Not that
01:00:56 ◼ ► Tim Cook doesn't care, but Tim Cook isn't a micromanager, right? Tim Cook doesn't sit down
01:01:01 ◼ ► and sketch out the design for new hardware because he's the CEO. Steve Jobs largely was involved in
01:01:12 ◼ ► his own PR. And what he cared about, obviously, were the big daily newspapers that in the jobs
01:01:19 ◼ ► era. They were the influencers. No better example than the single greatest Apple product
01:01:30 ◼ ► of all time, the original iPhone. David Pogue got it, who at the time was the tech columnist
01:01:52 ◼ ► time. So not a newspaper, but Steven Levy is, you know, super, super, still super great
01:01:59 ◼ ► writer with a great history of covering Jobs's career all the way back to like the original
01:02:07 ◼ ► Apple won, you know, like when the two Steve's were running Apple together. I mean, so a
01:02:14 ◼ ► very, very old school traditional mindset of who they need to get in the media to influence
01:02:20 ◼ ► the world and how do you reach them. And you know, I think the biggest difference between
01:02:26 ◼ ► then and now, and I think it's been a slow evolution, was at that time, it was for four
01:02:32 ◼ ► reviewers and that was it right so it's four things and that was it and now it's spread
01:02:39 ◼ ► out among so many dozens you know so no one person has anywhere near the influence of say
01:02:47 ◼ ► Walt Mossberg from back then nobody nobody I don't know who you would say like the most
01:02:52 ◼ ► influential one would say is the most influential reviewer of this year's new iPhones I don't you
01:02:58 ◼ ► know, even it certainly isn't me in terms of market, you know, reaching the most people.
01:03:03 ◼ ► I don't know, you know, it's there's nobody like certainly true. That's certainly true. But But um,
01:03:10 ◼ ► I think that there's a there's a flip side of that too. On Apple side, Apple side, the PR people are
01:03:17 ◼ ► they can't it can't be one person controlling the PR message, right? Right. It's groups of people
01:03:23 ◼ ► and each group has its PR people. And also back in the day, I'm talking about Steve, he was
01:03:30 ◼ ► not that, not to address Tim and tag him in any way, label him anyway, but Steve, we clearly know,
01:03:38 ◼ ► was the visionary, the guy who thought of the product and said, this is what we're going to do.
01:03:44 ◼ ► And then he would take input from other people. But he was that filter. He was the bottleneck
01:03:49 ◼ ► for product design. Right. And, and so when he was connecting to someone, to Walt Mossberg or,
01:04:01 ◼ ► he was on the phone with them. He was talking to them. He was sort of evangelizing the product.
01:04:07 ◼ ► There was a very direct connection. And now there's like five levels of indirection between,
01:04:15 ◼ ► you know, the product visionary, and there's got to be, you know, there's a watch product visionary,
01:04:21 ◼ ► I think. And there's an AirPods product visionary. And there may be, it may not even be a single
01:04:26 ◼ ► product, it may be a group of designers who, you know, who all have sort of a different,
01:04:33 ◼ ► my goal is to make the smallest possible battery or to get the most amount of life from the battery.
01:04:37 ◼ ► And another person is about the audio and like that. It's just, Apple has become such a much
01:04:44 ◼ ► more complex company. They're, you know, they're just in so many more pieces. It's just hard to
01:04:50 ◼ ► compare the old days with the new days. And so we have new things, new ways of getting the message
01:04:55 ◼ ► out. And, you know, I'm not going to speak as an expert on how to reach your millennials. But
01:05:01 ◼ ► I can't help but think off the top of my head that having an Instagram star who's on an Apple TV Plus
01:05:18 ◼ ► age and demographic who might pick up a $5 a month student Apple Music subscription and
01:05:29 ◼ ► they announced how you're actually going to pay for Apple TV plus I was a big proponent
01:05:44 ◼ ► didn't think it was so much. And I know that they keep talking about services, services,
01:05:53 ◼ ► I almost can't believe how many people I don't want to say fall fall for it. But people who
01:05:59 ◼ ► say that Apple as a company is pivoting towards services, when they haven't done anything
01:06:05 ◼ ► to decrease their interest or reliance on making hardware products that they've always done. It's
01:06:19 ◼ ► I think it's more not to disagree with you as much as I'd say you could fine tune the model to
01:06:26 ◼ ► say that there's a financial analysis you could do. And in which case, yeah, they're pivoting
01:06:31 ◼ ► to services for where are their dependencies? Well, they recognize that the smartphone market
01:06:50 ◼ ► On the product side, it's still the product side and the products, they're still building
01:06:54 ◼ ► products. They're still building Macs. They're still building, allegedly, they're still building
01:08:04 ◼ ► I really think they just want, what they want is they just want people to pay for subscriptions,
01:08:16 ◼ ► news is sort of the ugly stepchild there that probably has, will have lined up with the
01:08:20 ◼ ► lowest number of subscribers. Although there's still definitely the possibility that once
01:08:26 ◼ ► the TV stuff gets off the ground a little more that they're going to roll out some kind of Apple
01:08:30 ◼ ► Prime. Well, like everybody calls it Prime, like Amazon Prime, like you get Amazon Prime,
01:08:35 ◼ ► and then you get everything. So for lack of a better word, I'm sure they'll come up with their
01:08:40 ◼ ► own name, but Apple Prime, or you get all of it. And again, students, you know, who, you know,
01:08:46 ◼ ► Don't have money because they're students right? So, you know, we just want you on board
01:09:00 ◼ ► Because they're students and don't have a lot of money to toss around on a subscription there and a subscription
01:09:06 ◼ ► Here and a subscription over there. They also don't have money to buy a new iPhone every year
01:09:12 ◼ ► They're less likely than idiots like me who buy one every single year to just automatically
01:09:45 ◼ ► Have a lot of people tasting the the service just to get a sense of it and they know it's good
01:09:53 ◼ ► Maybe not the best possible thing because they're learning they're eating their learning curve now
01:09:57 ◼ ► But in a year after everybody has had a free year with their purchase of their iPhone or piece of hardware their Apple TV
01:11:04 ◼ ► So the nice thing is Apple has these deep pockets and they're definitely not going to turn the
01:11:10 ◼ ► switch off. Like, you know, Google does famously turns off projects that don't make sense to
01:11:16 ◼ ► somebody. Apple's, I don't believe there. I believe that Apple TV plus is, has a really long
01:11:23 ◼ ► lifespan. And that means that we'll get more, more products and they'll start to have a back catalog,
01:11:29 ◼ ► which is going to take time to do, and they'll also have better quality products as they go.
01:11:40 ◼ ► Peter Kafka's theory. Peter Kafka, who writes about the media at Recode, he was on my show
01:13:04 ◼ ► And presumably that's where the Disney+ thing will be because apparently, you know, Disney
01:13:09 ◼ ► and Apple are going to make this work somehow, you know, financially where you'll be able
01:13:23 ◼ ► Apple gets a cut of that. And it's not 30 from the big ones. They're certainly not going to get 30%
01:13:28 ◼ ► from Disney, but they're going to get something and you get a little bit here and a little bit
01:13:32 ◼ ► there and all of a sudden it adds up to a lot. But you're not going to get them to sign up for
01:13:38 ◼ ► Disney+ unless they're using the TV app and to get them to... So I kind of like it. I mean,
01:13:44 ◼ ► effectively it's, I'm not going to call it Trojan Horse, but it's sort of like the whole,
01:13:47 ◼ ► maybe the main point of TV+ isn't to get you to sign up for TV+, but it's to get you in the TV
01:13:52 ◼ ► app in the first place where you will sign up for channels, maybe. That's really interesting. I have
01:13:58 ◼ ► not heard that theory before. Is it that, so do you think people who don't use the TV app now
01:14:06 ◼ ► will be forced to use the TV app when, basically November 1st in a couple of days? I don't think,
01:14:13 ◼ ► well to do what to watch tv plus yeah i think you have to you have to go through the tv app
01:14:19 ◼ ► yeah i don't think there's any other way to do it and now you can get that app on your apple products
01:14:24 ◼ ► and you can get that app now on your um i forget if they're on the the roku or not uh but i know
01:14:31 ◼ ► they're on the amazon uh sticks fire stick fire stick and they're on the you know the ones that
01:14:37 ◼ ► are the partnerships where they're built into some of the tv sets are already rolling out
01:14:48 ◼ ► Plus is the Apple's original content shows is to use the Apple TV app on whatever platform
01:14:55 ◼ ► But then you're already right there and ready, you know, right there like a couple of taps
01:15:06 ◼ ► So you're already right there, just a couple of taps on whatever remote control you use
01:15:10 ◼ ► for your device or whatever screen you're on from signing up for CBS All Access or something
01:15:16 ◼ ► like that because you want to watch the new Picard show or, or you know, the Disney thing
01:15:20 ◼ ► or whatever. So Netflix, even though you can't sign up for Netflix on the Apple TV because
01:15:40 ◼ ► the TV app? Well, when I when I launch my Apple TV, and I'm not I don't spend a lot of time thinking
01:15:48 ◼ ► about the TV app. So I could be wrong about the way this works. But when I fire up my Apple TV,
01:15:53 ◼ ► I think I'm in the TV app by default, because there's two sort of default. No, well, I don't
01:15:58 ◼ ► know, I play. Maybe I have mine set up differently. I go to write to the home screen. I don't know.
01:16:02 ◼ ► Maybe they are in the TV app. I don't know. I don't know. But you certainly can sign up for it there.
01:16:36 ◼ ► the subscription money. Right? It's not. That's the whole point of channels, obviously, is so
01:16:43 ◼ ► that you if you're going to watch CBS all access or sign up for Hulu or something like that,
01:16:53 ◼ ► All right. So let me ask you this question about sort of related to the Apple TV plus discussion.
01:17:00 ◼ ► What do you think are the biggest in your just right off the top of your head? What do you
01:17:06 ◼ ► think are the biggest streaming services, the most important streaming services? Is Netflix still the
01:17:12 ◼ ► big dog? Oh, of course. I'm sure I don't even think it's close. I would guess I'm talking right out of
01:17:18 ◼ ► my right. That's, that's, that's fine. I would guess I would guess Netflix in terms of eyeballs.
01:17:25 ◼ ► The only thing you could compare it to is YouTube. And that's not an app that is an apples to oranges
01:17:30 ◼ ► comparison, right? YouTube is its own beast. Unlike anything else, there is nothing else to compare
01:17:36 ◼ ► YouTube too, except for the fact that you have to zoom out to the level of, "Hey, we're
01:17:55 ◼ ► some degree by playing video games while you watch a second screen. But nobody talks about
01:18:12 ◼ ► part people talk about the second screen for good reason. But anyway, we still only have
01:18:15 ◼ ► so many hours in a day. You can only watch so many YouTube, even if you only watch YouTube
01:18:20 ◼ ► or only watch Netflix, you can't even keep up with the new content. So let's put YouTube
01:18:24 ◼ ► out of it because they're not in that streaming or YouTube that I'm talking about isn't about
01:18:32 ◼ ► I think Netflix consumes more hours of attention than all of the others combined, would be my guest.
01:18:39 ◼ ► HBO plus Hulu plus Prime plus whatever else. And if they don't, they're still so much bigger, you know, it's hard to compare.
01:19:28 ◼ ► Like when you had Bambi, right? They famously didn't put those movies out on VHS or when they
01:19:36 ◼ ► did it, they made a huge deal out of it. Like, so VHS became a big deal and you could buy movies
01:19:46 ◼ ► super excited about it. Like, and somehow I've told this story, I think years ago on the show,
01:20:01 ◼ ► And he had a VHS copy of Raiders of the Lost Ark before Raiders of the Lost Ark was commercially
01:20:08 ◼ ► Like how this thing came into being and how a copy of it ended up at my friend JD's house,
01:20:42 ◼ ► Day is one of my favorite movies of all time. But there's no movie, no movie, not Star Wars,
01:20:49 ◼ ► not like Monty Python, not any of the movies that, you know, people of my generation have watched
01:20:54 ◼ ► multiple times. There's no movie that I have every line of dialogue committed to memory like I do
01:20:58 ◼ ► Raiders of the Lost Ark. But anyway, Disney at the time, even when people started making, studios
01:21:05 ◼ ► started making all of this extra money, you know, they were still doing their budgets based on what
01:21:10 ◼ ► they thought they'd make from the theaters and then they'd make extra money by selling VHS tapes
01:21:14 ◼ ► for and they were expensive. Do you remember how it was like 60 or 70 bucks to buy to buy a movie on
01:21:20 ◼ ► VHS? And they would do a thing where they would say this is going to be we're going to start
01:21:25 ◼ ► selling it on this date and we're going to stop selling it on this date and that's it and and they
01:21:29 ◼ ► were they were good to their word they when they stopped selling it they they those copies dried up
01:21:34 ◼ ► You couldn't buy it anywhere. Yeah, and Disney for decades would just re-release, you know
01:21:40 ◼ ► I remember going to see Peter Pan in the theater and you know, Peter Pan had been out for 40 years
01:21:59 ◼ ► So so the point is that Disney Plus has they have Star Wars they have they have such a massive
01:22:05 ◼ ► Catalog all the Pixar stuff. They have The Simpsons, right? Isn't that Disney Plus? Oh all the people under you people
01:22:18 ◼ ► Is it the Paramount logo or the Columbia logo or the 20th Century Fox logo that comes up before the movie starts?
01:22:33 ◼ ► So they have they have this back catalog that will crush everybody else so you could and and Jim Dalrymple who you know
01:22:40 ◼ ► We do the podcast that the Dalrymple report every week Jim famously has no interest in Disney Plus
01:22:55 ◼ ► Right? And they, I think they're setting the bar, they're setting the price for this market.
01:23:00 ◼ ► We're, you know, all you can eat for this price. Why would you go spend twice that? And HBO has
01:23:08 ◼ ► divided up all their services. Disney+ is everything. HBO has HBO Go and HBO Now and HBO
01:23:15 ◼ ► Max and HBO. And I couldn't tell you what the four things, what's different about them all.
01:23:22 ◼ ► One of them is live HBO, obviously, but the rest are different takes on their HBO back catalog.
01:23:28 ◼ ► Trenton Larkin Yeah, and HBO Go is the one I use because I still have a cable subscription
01:23:33 ◼ ► that includes HBO. So it's they're so screwed up in their back end. I think they had to I don't
01:23:39 ◼ ► think it's because they're inept. I think it's because of the weird contracts they're in with
01:23:44 ◼ ► cable providers, right, right. That they are separate services there. So HBO Go is what you go
01:23:57 ◼ ► school cable, then you get the HBO Go app and somehow sign in through your cable provider
01:24:07 ◼ ► it. And then the other one is, is HBO if you don't have your accord cutter, and you'd need
01:24:18 ◼ ► Is that HBO now? Yeah, I think that's HBO now and suppose HBO HBO max is a different thing
01:25:12 ◼ ► Different subscription services go out of you know, basically they'll have to drop their price I think to compete. Yeah, I don't know
01:25:18 ◼ ► It'll be interesting. Yeah, and Apple is in a unique position where they really don't have to
01:25:30 ◼ ► Apple TV plus subscriptions to pay for the shows that they're producing because that's right
01:25:41 ◼ ► Why would I spend five dollars for a handful of shows versus eight dollars for the world's biggest treasure trove of content?
01:25:55 ◼ ► Have a lot of back doors that you can get Apple TV plus content for quote unquote free just to go that
01:26:06 ◼ ► I think Netflix is gonna feel the squeeze eventually because their catalog is good, but it doesn't compete with Disney's
01:26:17 ◼ ► And that Disney has you know for strategic reasons has pulled all of their stuff from Netflix like everything on
01:26:22 ◼ ► Everybody knows that stuff that isn't Netflix original content drifts in and out of the Netflix
01:27:05 ◼ ► I've named the only show I can think of, but there's a bunch of Disney shows that kids feel
01:27:09 ◼ ► great nostalgia for. And that makes the catalog valuable. So I think Netflix is number one now.
01:27:15 ◼ ► Apple, you have to include Apple in the short list of streaming services that are going to survive
01:27:28 ◼ ► and you wonder are they going to get squeezed out or or will we have enough room for the four and
01:27:34 ◼ ► then is it can we have enough room for 10 giant streaming services is hulu gonna have a problem
01:27:40 ◼ ► you know hbo is sort of the apple of original content where they're smaller they have fewer
01:27:51 ◼ ► fundamentally on the very simple notion that their stuff is better. You know, that's their
01:27:58 ◼ ► slogan. It's not TV. It's I forget which way it goes. If it's it's not TV, it's HBO. Yeah.
01:28:05 ◼ ► And it's true from in my opinion, you know, like, their original shows really set the bar. They
01:28:13 ◼ ► created these these shows that are movie quality as opposed to you know that and and you get people
01:28:20 ◼ ► now like, you know, nobody bats an eye that Jennifer Aniston, who's still a big box office star,
01:28:25 ◼ ► is doing, you know, and Steve Carell and Reese Witherspoon would do a TV show like 15, 20 years
01:28:31 ◼ ► ago, that was unheard of, you know, you're a movie star, you were you were in the playing in the
01:28:35 ◼ ► major leagues. And if you're a TV star, you were in like, AAA. Well, it's the decline of movies,
01:28:42 ◼ ► too. I think people don't go to movies nearly as often as they used to because they have all these,
01:28:52 ◼ ► And for adults, the movies that are getting made aren't like what they used to be. They're really
01:28:57 ◼ ► more, you know, Martin Scorsese drew criticism, but I think he was very right where he was,
01:29:01 ◼ ► he wasn't being disdainful. Like that's the thing is that if you just read the headline,
01:29:05 ◼ ► you think Martin Scorsese took a shit on the Marvel franchise. But he didn't take a shit on
01:29:11 ◼ ► them. All he was saying, you know, when he compared them to theme parks and from what he's talking
01:29:16 ◼ ► about cinema as being they are but theme park he's not saying theme parks aren't a hell of a lot of
01:29:22 ◼ ► fun they are fun they're great to go to but it's not you know it's not cinema uh right you can you
01:29:30 ◼ ► can love and i i like the the the the marvel franchise very much i don't like every one of
01:29:37 ◼ ► them but you know but i i overall like it a lot i i tend to go to see them in the actual theaters
01:29:44 ◼ ► but I tend to, you know, one of the reasons I go to the theater to see the like Avengers movies and
01:29:49 ◼ ► stuff like that is because it is sort of like a theme park and you want to see it real big
01:29:53 ◼ ► and super loud, you know. It's not at all like an adult drama and a lot of that stuff is moved to TV
01:30:08 ◼ ► the Godfather. There's a theme here, I think. But but I, you know, I love I love those movies and
01:30:15 ◼ ► and they're but they're, they're different than the entertainment that is more generally available
01:30:20 ◼ ► now and is being produced now. Nothing like nothing like the Marvel movies. But I can't
01:30:25 ◼ ► get Are you excited about the Irishman? We can't mention Scorsese and Goodfellas and not mention
01:30:31 ◼ ► that I and we're talking about Netflix. I hope I hope it's as good as it could be. Well,
01:30:41 ◼ ► But so Netflix is in its position where they've gotten so big that they're literally bankrolling
01:30:56 ◼ ► And it is, you know, it's these weird, just the way rules hang on, like to be considered
01:31:02 ◼ ► for an Oscar, it has to have like an exclusive period where it's playing on actual movie
01:31:35 ◼ ► it has to be in a cinema theater before you know to be I'm sure they'll change the rules for of
01:31:42 ◼ ► consideration but I think the Oscars will remain because I don't think I who knows I could be
01:31:47 ◼ ► wrong but I don't think movies will stop and I don't think being a movie star will stop being
01:31:51 ◼ ► the thing I just think it's shifting I just think that the shift from actual theater theaters to
01:32:09 ◼ ► I mean like the social aspect like when I was a teenager going to movie with a bunch of friends was like the best
01:32:24 ◼ ► Diehard we're at you know, I remember the theater was the Fox North theater in in Reading Pennsylvania where I saw Diehard
01:32:36 ◼ ► You know that this is living the high life is being like a 13 year old going to see an r-rated
01:32:45 ◼ ► But you know an excellent adventure movie like Diehard in a big theater with all my pals, you know
01:32:51 ◼ ► that was great now I'm a crufty old man I want to be left alone and I want to watch movies in the
01:32:57 ◼ ► privacy of my own home and you you also want subtitles and you want to be able to pause it
01:33:02 ◼ ► when you want to pause it right oh yeah yeah cuz I can't hold my I can't hold my urine for that
01:33:07 ◼ ► long yeah well that's fair I mean that is a thing I guess I can I do still go to theaters and I and
01:33:15 ◼ ► I want to meet I'll go see Star Wars when it opens you know I but I have to like strategically plan
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01:36:36 ◼ ► we segue there, Dave, from the AirPods to the streaming stuff? It was seamless. I don't
01:36:42 ◼ ► remember doing it. I don't remember doing it, but we went seamlessly. Is there anything
01:36:46 ◼ ► more on the AirPods that we have left to talk about? I don't want to keep moving down the
01:36:51 ◼ ► You know, hang on, let me go back to your piece because that's really where I was drawing.
01:37:07 ◼ ► The best way to think about it is like the new, the second generation Apple Pencil, the
01:37:13 ◼ ► stem of the AirPods Pro Buds, some of this pluralization is tough, is sort of like that.
01:37:30 ◼ ► very end. But I think it's the closest I can come to describing it. There's a flat part
01:37:36 ◼ ► of it that's very distinct, you can feel it, I'm feeling one right now, it's very flat.
01:39:34 ◼ ► Physically it doesn't resemble it at all, but it's in the way that Apple obviously spent
01:40:00 ◼ ► And to me, wrong would be like, I've had things, not necessarily earbuds in particular, but
01:40:06 ◼ ► sometimes with putting earbuds on where it's like you're not certain whether you got it
01:40:27 ◼ ► either clicks in if it clicks it's in and if it doesn't click you don't have it on yet.
01:40:31 ◼ ► So have you listened to music on these things yet? Yes. Okay so if you were going to compare,
01:40:39 ◼ ► I don't know if you can do this, but can you compare the AirPods with the AirPods Pro? Is
01:40:43 ◼ ► there, do you have any sense of are they the same musically? I'm not, I don't want to pass
01:40:57 ◼ ► I don't know. They both sound good to me. And the difference I hear isn't in what I'm able to judge
01:41:03 ◼ ► and perceive and describe and put into words is the noise canceling type part. And this sound
01:41:12 ◼ ► makes the music sound good or rich or the bass is too high or something like that. I'm not really
01:41:17 ◼ ► good at it. I can't really say. I thought music sounded great with them. But the difference between
01:41:23 ◼ ► them and regular AirPods to me is... That's fine. I won't put you on the hook. I was more
01:41:30 ◼ ► curious if there was... So at the very least... For me, it's like this. Imagine you have two
01:44:40 ◼ ► could put your iPhone on the short end and lean it back against the bigger piece so you have like a
01:44:47 ◼ ► little cheapo iPhone stand. I don't know if this makes sense. Yeah, I've seen people talk about
01:44:55 ◼ ► that but do you have to put it like upside down? No, you put it with this with the opening face up
01:45:01 ◼ ► and then you open it so it bends so it makes a little triangle. I'm trying this right now. And
01:45:36 ◼ ► But it does open so what what's the or it does stay open? What's the purpose of it staying open?
01:45:45 ◼ ► I don't think that's a function of that. They did that on purpose. I think that it's just because it's shorter
01:46:02 ◼ ► It it doesn't close the clasp the way that the other one does. Okay, and how about go ahead? Sorry? No
01:46:10 ◼ ► It's an it's an interesting question, but I think it's just the nature that it's such a different dimensioned case
01:46:19 ◼ ► Effectively if you want to compare the two cases you have to turn the new one on the side
01:46:26 ◼ ► That it's only when you turn it on the side. Do they look like they're roughly in the same XY and C dimensions
01:46:59 ◼ ► The hinge is bigger. There's a more of it's um, and the hinge sticks up. It's it's quite different
01:47:08 ◼ ► I mean, it's just very different but it you know, it seems to open and shut about the same, you know here. Oh, here's the one
01:47:19 ◼ ► It is one thing that's a little different and takes getting used to is on the old one the stems
01:47:27 ◼ ► Are go in in the center of the case and in the new one the stems go in on the outside and
01:47:33 ◼ ► so I I trust thing I keep trying to put them in the wrong way because I've got two or three years of
01:47:44 ◼ ► I can't believe I forgot to mention this in my review. Here's my first original observation on the show
01:47:48 ◼ ► The new air pods Pro are way easier to get in and out of the case or at least out of the case
01:47:59 ◼ ► There what you don't have to kind of pop them out you can just pinch them and they come right out
01:48:11 ◼ ► Yes, if you come in from the back you have way more of an ability to grab onto them with your thumb and forefinger
01:48:22 ◼ ► Interesting. Well, I can't wait to get mine. Did you pre-order? I did not because I don't do that. I
01:48:30 ◼ ► Well, you're gonna you're gonna get can you get the other air pods engraved or is it only the air pods Pro that you can?
01:48:44 ◼ ► But I maybe I'll have to say dark mode Dave Pro or see I get paralyzed by a decision like that
01:48:49 ◼ ► that. Like, I don't know. I don't know what to get engraved. See, like, my wife wouldn't
01:48:54 ◼ ► hesitate. If my wife's going to get something engraved, she's going to get her initials,
01:48:57 ◼ ► and that's it. There she goes. She, you know, uh, whereas me, it's like, what should I do?
01:49:07 ◼ ► for the star and circle and see if they'll print that on them? Should I like that, actually?
01:49:16 ◼ ► I tried to get something, you know, Apple's been offering engraved stuff since the iPods at some point
01:49:25 ◼ ► I'd say live on the edge because you know that in a year you're gonna have something new. So yeah
01:49:31 ◼ ► It'll be a short-term thing. If you don't like it, they'll be you'll live with it for a short term
01:49:37 ◼ ► One question a couple people had a friends, you know, but a friends asked whether there would be
01:49:45 ◼ ► Whether Apple is going to release the specs for the connectors for the tips so that third parties could make tips
01:50:00 ◼ ► You don't like the feel of any of the three tips that Apple provides and it seems to me like they're small medium and large
01:50:09 ◼ ► At first glance they look pretty close and then when you start thinking about how how they feel
01:50:16 ◼ ► Like when I tried the small ones it they definitely felt loose in my ear and I wasn't surprised at all that the that the software
01:50:32 ◼ ► How many people are on the planet now Dave for seven billion eight billion? What are we up something something like that?
01:50:37 ◼ ► you know there surely there's some number of million people who none of the three will fit and they might like a different type of
01:51:36 ◼ ► four dollars. Yeah, I published that piece. So, yeah, they, because I was like, you got to tell
01:51:41 ◼ ► me how cheap, how cheap is cheap, because Apple's version of cheap, maybe not be cheap. And then they
01:51:46 ◼ ► were like, we'll get back to you. And then they texted me and they're like, four dollars. I think
01:51:49 ◼ ► it's like three ninety five or something. And I was like, holy crap, that is cheap. So that's
01:51:54 ◼ ► great. So if you do lose them or you wear them out and who knows how they're going to wear over time,
01:51:58 ◼ ► you know, if they're going to look gross after a year or something like that, you should be able
01:52:01 ◼ ► to buy if what I was told yesterday is correct, you should be able to get replacements for
01:52:23 ◼ ► if you only get one, you know, if it's four bucks to get two medium tips, that still is
01:52:30 ◼ ► Right, right. But on the other hand one of the things Apple told me about the fit test is that that's totally prepared to recommend
01:52:47 ◼ ► Why not it would be great if you got all three for four bucks so that if you like a small in your left and?
01:52:57 ◼ ► But anyway, they're going to sell replacements as for whether they're going to help third parties make them
01:53:04 ◼ ► But I don't think it seems like the sort of engineering problem that the sort of companies that would make third-party
01:53:10 ◼ ► Tips or cases or watch straps, you know that they specialize in figuring stuff like that out
01:53:18 ◼ ► And it doesn't seem like a tricky connector. So I would guess that with or without apples
01:53:32 ◼ ► I'm just saying I would like credit though in the future when it becomes a thing that people have like hot pink tips and
01:53:45 ◼ ► I want everybody to say, you know Gruber thought of that before that was a even a thing. I like it
01:54:22 ◼ ► So when the second gen hit, I was like, I was, my finger was hovering over the order button.
01:54:27 ◼ ► My wife was too. My wife is probably in the same boat as you and she wears them to the gym
01:54:32 ◼ ► almost every day. I mean, she wears them to the gym every day. She goes every day. She goes to
01:54:36 ◼ ► the gym and she goes to the gym almost every day or exercises in some ways. And, and she wears them
01:54:40 ◼ ► while she cooks. And you know, she, she really wears them way more than I do. Same with me. I
01:55:15 ◼ ► don't. So my question is, I saw a text, the Apple put this out in the video, but I saw a text from
01:55:22 ◼ ► Panzer about showing the exploded view of the AirPods Pro, you know, just like every single
01:55:32 ◼ ► component was in this picture, but in an exploded view, you know, you saw everything in it, but it
01:55:37 ◼ ► looked like it opened really cleanly. Like it looked different. I, you know, it just felt like
01:55:43 ◼ ► maybe there's a way that they can actually take this apart and that it's not just filled with
01:55:48 ◼ ► glue, you know, that so that there's no way to open them. And the fact I think part of it for me
01:55:54 ◼ ► was I saw that you could snap off the tips that that they you didn't pull them off like, you know,
01:56:00 ◼ ► they they clicked into place, they snapped into place. And I thought, I wonder if there's
01:56:04 ◼ ► new thinking from Apple on this. And do you have any sense of this at all? Is it exactly the same,
01:56:10 ◼ ► the single piece construction as the old AirPods? I'm going to do this one as a cliffhanger.
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02:00:08 ◼ ► to Apple representatives yesterday, there is nothing more repairable or battery replacement
02:00:27 ◼ ► Does that matter to you at all? Like, do you ever think about it and go, "Ah, that kind
02:00:35 ◼ ► when this became a thing, I think it was maybe when Jeffrey Fowler wrote a column about the
02:00:41 ◼ ► disposability of AirPods in the Washington Post, somebody wrote a column about it. It's
02:00:51 ◼ ► And you know, I'm old enough to remember when all batteries were disposable and replaceable.
02:00:56 ◼ ► Anything you bought that was battery operated took, you know, AAA, AA, CD, whatever happened
02:01:14 ◼ ► Nine volt. Remember when we were, when I was a kid, at least all the electronic game gizmos
02:01:19 ◼ ► always took nine volt batteries, which I always thought was, I always thought they were cool.
02:01:23 ◼ ► I don't know. Definitely. You know, you had to like snap them into place in a different way.
02:01:27 ◼ ► And one battery would power the whole thing. Smoke detectors. They still take them for good reason,
02:01:39 ◼ ► crazy back then, like when I would buy those games, what was the company that made them Tyco?
02:01:43 ◼ ► TYCO. I hope tech, Tecmo, I don't know, maybe I don't know. But whatever that, you know, I had a
02:01:50 ◼ ► bunch of those electronic games, they were hesitate to even call them video games, because they didn't
02:01:54 ◼ ► have video, but they were electronic games. It would have been crazy if it if the deal was you
02:02:00 ◼ ► can buy it, and then you just charge it overnight by connecting it to power. And then two years from
02:02:06 ◼ ► now, it'll be garbage and you have to throw it away. That would seem crazy. It just wasn't the
02:02:15 ◼ ► pair of AirPods is that the battery, the lithium ion battery has expired itself through going
02:02:24 ◼ ► through it's, you know, by design, you know, not not not prematurely, not a defect in your
02:02:29 ◼ ► unit, but you've used it enough times through enough charge cycles that the lithium ion
02:02:37 ◼ ► But it's the only thing wrong with it, right? It's the only thing that works perfectly,
02:04:06 ◼ ► If their best design for that would make it thicker and heavier and bigger, I could see
02:04:12 ◼ ► why they don't go that route because I think people would, I think that would be less appealing
02:04:23 ◼ ► Does it feel like planned obsolescence or does it feel like, I mean, I don't think it's
02:04:31 ◼ ► planned obsolescence because, and I know you can be cynical and say that it is, that of
02:04:38 ◼ ► But I don't think so because I don't think anybody feels good about having $200 earbuds.
02:05:04 ◼ ► And then two years from now, your best option is to go buy another $200 set of them. Nobody
02:05:10 ◼ ► feels good about that. And so if there were an option to get somebody else's product that
02:05:15 ◼ ► does the same thing in an appealing way, but you wouldn't have to throw it out after two
02:05:34 ◼ ► just randomly buy Apple products. You know, it's not some brand X and, you know, people
02:05:39 ◼ ► randomly buy it. So if you can rip them off a little bit and they're not happy with it,
02:05:43 ◼ ► who cares? You already got their money. Apple's in the business of having sustained relationships
02:05:52 ◼ ► the Apple product family, that system, yeah, to the ecosystem for Yeah, that's the perfect
02:05:59 ◼ ► your first experience, you know, will hopefully be a good one. I mean, there's a story, you know,
02:06:04 ◼ ► to bring it back to baseball. Joe DiMaggio, I forget who he's talking to, but somebody told
02:06:08 ◼ ► the story where towards the end of his career, Joe DiMaggio, he was like, I could be miss telling it,
02:06:15 ◼ ► but it's the way I'll miss tell it is good enough, close enough to the truth. Meaningless game,
02:06:19 ◼ ► late summer, Joe DiMaggio busts his ass to catch a fly ball. Just really, really goes all out in
02:06:26 ◼ ► a meaningless game, a game the Yankees maybe were already way ahead. Somebody, a younger
02:06:39 ◼ ► in Yankee Stadium, somebody here is watching me play for the first time." And I want them
02:06:47 ◼ ► to know what Joe DiMaggio, how Joe DiMaggio played baseball. Right? So somebody's first
02:06:55 ◼ ► So I think and I think Apple remains cognizant of that and they want that to be a good experience, right?
02:07:00 ◼ ► You're only as good as your first impression if your first Apple product is a stinker. You're not gonna come back
02:07:05 ◼ ► So I don't think it's planned obsolescence. I really don't and the fact that nobody else makes anything in this air pods category
02:07:15 ◼ ► Has replaceable batteries is a sign that I don't think it's possible yet or it's not possible in a way
02:07:21 ◼ ► that would be compelling to customers based on what it would cost or what it would look like
02:07:27 ◼ ► or how heavy it would be or whatever compromises would have to be made because what if what if it
02:07:32 ◼ ► meant like not using glue i mean i think that exploded view is sort of you know it's idealized
02:07:40 ◼ ► right it's of course of course it's and when you compare it to the teardowns that as we speak i
02:07:46 ◼ ► fix it my art might already have since the i guess they shipped today i wouldn't be i guess i fix it i
02:08:32 ◼ ► are an ugly, gluey mess inside is just the best that they can do to make them the design
02:08:53 ◼ ► be sustainable, to good supply chain, no child labor, you know, they clearly are pushing
02:09:00 ◼ ► into all those things and keeping doing what they can to make, to minimize their impact
02:09:06 ◼ ► on the planet. And the opposing force to that would be design. And they're sort of finding
02:09:14 ◼ ► each other here. This is like a front line on that particular battle. And I am a long-time
02:09:20 ◼ ► repairability person. I fix all my computers, every one that I can. I've taken apart every
02:09:28 ◼ ► Mac I've ever owned. I've replaced fans. Used to be able to swap out memory. I've replaced
02:09:34 ◼ ► video cards, drives, taken old drives, put, you know, formatted, replaced with larger drives,
02:09:41 ◼ ► all that kind of stuff. Did you ever do that sort of stuff? Oh sure, you know, probably less than
02:09:46 ◼ ► a lot of, less than you and probably less than an awful lot of people listening to the show,
02:09:52 ◼ ► nodding their head in agreement with you. But yeah, you know, and back in the day, especially,
02:09:58 ◼ ► and you know, it was a combination that as I'm 46 now and as I grew to this age, you know,
02:10:10 ◼ ► I grew up in the era when computers became less serviceable and I was of an age back then
02:10:16 ◼ ► when saving money by buying third-party ram was a meaningful serious difference. I would have a
02:10:24 ◼ ► budget for a new computer and if I bought third-party ram I'd have more ram than if I bought
02:10:31 ◼ ► the ram from Apple and back then too Apple used to really really gouge people. I mean however
02:10:36 ◼ ► high you think Apple's RAM prices are now, you don't know anything compared to like the 90s. I
02:10:41 ◼ ► mean in the 90s it was like, like it was as though you were buying RAM that was like, had like,
02:10:53 ◼ ► crusted jewelry. And hard drives too. It was the same thing. Yeah. And because back then hard
02:10:59 ◼ ► drives would break all the time. I mean, you know, everybody, it's like people of our age
02:11:03 ◼ ► are much better about backups because we're still scarred, right? Like, everybody remembers
02:11:26 ◼ ► never heard your hard drive make before. Or a little tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick,
02:11:32 ◼ ► And whether whether you noticed anything on screen or not, maybe everything on screen looked fine. Nothing locked up. Nothing. No beach balls
02:11:46 ◼ ► And you would power down immediately you'd because you heard one bad click out of your hard drive
02:11:51 ◼ ► You would save everything power everything down and immediately take off the the lid to the computer
02:12:05 ◼ ► The best backup you had the you had the power to you know the ability to do and that's so good
02:12:16 ◼ ► Just because you heard one bad click right so we're taking a picture of my screen before
02:12:24 ◼ ► Camera yeah, or because you had writing on screen, and you're like I don't know if this is gonna get saved
02:12:30 ◼ ► I don't want to lose my rights. Yeah, that's right. So I'm with you I you know, and but I
02:12:39 ◼ ► I think that they've moved against it because it's lower on their list of priorities and
02:12:44 ◼ ► It's a recurring theme for me that I mentioned many times over the years that I think vastly overlooked by people
02:12:50 ◼ ► Is that it doesn't just matter what your priorities are. It matters exactly what order they're in
02:13:06 ◼ ► it makes a big difference than if you say our three highest priorities are C, B, and A.
02:13:13 ◼ ► You're going to end up making all sorts of different, even though they're the same three priorities,
02:13:17 ◼ ► if C is your highest priority, you are going to make different, very different decisions.
02:13:23 ◼ ► And for Apple, the biggest priority, you could call it design or you could call it experience,
02:13:36 ◼ ► And they, I do, I don't think they're hypocrites about the environment, but it's a higher priority
02:13:42 ◼ ► But I also think it's changed because it used to be that product was their, you know, their
02:14:02 ◼ ► But now, I don't know when it started, but when Facebook really started to become a problem,
02:14:09 ◼ ► I think privacy started to creep up the list till it became maybe their highest priority.
02:14:19 ◼ ► I think that the interesting thing about Apple and privacy is that privacy doesn't interfere
02:14:26 ◼ ► with their other priorities in a way it does for other companies. Because, just to name
02:14:35 ◼ ► an obvious example, Facebook and Google make money through advertising by monetizing their
02:14:43 ◼ ► users' privacy in certain ways. And you know, it's a whole other discussion we don't have
02:14:50 ◼ ► time to even dip our toes into. But because Apple doesn't make any money at all on advertising
02:15:03 ◼ ► way that doesn't interfere with their priorities. Because obviously our priority for Facebook
02:15:24 ◼ ► and Google all share in common is that their very highest priority is making money. I'm
02:15:35 ◼ ► Apple can approach privacy in a way that doesn't run up against that number one priority of
02:15:47 ◼ ► There's no opposing forces like with the non-replaceable batteries versus taking care of the planet.
02:15:57 ◼ ► I hope somebody else comes out with some of these wireless earbuds that are totally, you
02:16:09 ◼ ► have easily accessible or easily accessible to the service type minded person batteries,
02:16:21 ◼ ► have proof that it's even possible to, to obviously somebody can make a wireless earbud
02:16:27 ◼ ► that could have a serviceable battery, but we still haven't seen one that is that's also
02:16:42 ◼ ► Let's say that I went up to New York yesterday in some alternate universe to find out what
02:16:57 ◼ ► But in the alternate universe, the $250 AirPods Pro, the only difference between them and
02:17:19 ◼ ► back the next day or come back two hours later and they have brand new batteries in them.
02:17:27 ◼ ► If they cost fewer over time, if they cost $250 in the current AirPods sell 100 for 160,
02:17:41 ◼ ► mean, that's a great feature. But they everybody what everybody would say is, that should just
02:17:46 ◼ ► be the regular new AirPods. And they shouldn't be $250. They should be $160. Like the regular
02:17:51 ◼ ► AirPods. Nobody would see that as a compelling reason to pay more, even though if you really
02:17:56 ◼ ► think about it, the obvious, in theory that's possible that by putting more, making them
02:18:25 ◼ ► this, I told you it would be a short episode. You actually did say that. I did say that. I really
02:18:31 ◼ ► did. And I told that to Molt the other day, too, and we went an hour and 55 minutes. Once I get
02:18:35 ◼ ► started talking, and it's an interesting conversation. How did we do? One thing back story,
02:18:40 ◼ ► folks, is that Dave, I only came to Dave a couple hours before the show. I was running short on
02:18:45 ◼ ► time. I needed another episode in October. I had so much to talk about. I wanted to talk about the
02:18:49 ◼ ► AirPods. And we were chatting about the baseball, and I was like, "Why don't you just do my show?"
02:18:59 ◼ ► sent me a whole list of ideas we could talk about. I got to tell you, I didn't even look
02:19:07 ◼ ► I didn't look at it. I was going to say, "How did we do?" I was, "I'm going to guess we
02:19:17 ◼ ► What's going to happen is after we're done, I'm going to read that and I'm going to look
02:19:20 ◼ ► at it and it's probably chock full of good ideas and then I'm going to end up using those
02:19:28 ◼ ► you stole my idea. No, God bless you, go with it. I'm fine with that and I really, I had
02:19:34 ◼ ► such a good time. This was great. Thank you for having me. Hey, good luck tonight. I swear
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