247: ‘I Have Faith in the Rice’ With Paul Kafasis
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Hey everybody, John here.
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Little preface to the show.
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Big dummy that I am.
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I sort of botched the audio on my end of the show.
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So what you're about to hear is a little less audio quality than you're used to.
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And I'm very, very sorry about that.
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There is no need to tell me.
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I am fully aware of what I did and fully aware of the irony that my guest on the show, Paul
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Kvassus runs a software company whose software probably if I had used it to record instead of what I did
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Probably would have helped me avoid the mistake
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So enjoy the show. Sorry about the audio quality
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Won't happen again
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Well, I just saw you a couple weeks ago. It's always good to say I
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I also saw you
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We were we were cavorting in Las Vegas beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada
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and they have they've it's interesting and you're you're up in the Boston area
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Philadelphia the the wind corporation I believe that's the name what's the name
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of the holding it's win something you know when whatever to date has has a
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casino resort in Las Vegas and then they have two in in Macau over there in China
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And then they were going to add a new one in North America and it was just going to be here in Philadelphia
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And they had wonderful plans
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How'd that work out?
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Well the city of Philadelphia decided that I forget I swear to God it came down to
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The plans were super extensive and I thought it was really really wonderful
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I really thought it was a very interesting plan here in Philadelphia
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And then the city of Philadelphia and I swear it came down to like traffic lights like this the city of Philadelphia was like well
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We're not gonna pay to have like a turnaround here
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You're gonna pay and you're gonna do this and you're gonna do that and the wind company was like, you know, we're gonna do
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So they're there they're on the cusp opening right I think what is it three months from tomorrow
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All right, so they started booking. What's it called called the on core?
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Which is a weird name for the first location.
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Should we touch on it?
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Yeah, we should touch on it.
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So this resort in Las Vegas was originally the Wynn, then they built the second one, they built the Encore.
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And it's all named after a guy named Steve Wynn, who, his real name is Steve Weinberg, so he changed his name to something very good for a casino owner.
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But I didn't know that until very late.
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I thought that he was just fortuitously named Steve Wynn.
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But turns out, turns out to say, but Trump is a good name for a casino owner.
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Oh, well, but again, not really.
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It was not really, not really the family name.
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They changed it to a couple of generations.
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Right as a, who was it?
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John Oliver went into, what was it?
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Yeah, much worse name, but much more predictive of how well his casinos would do.
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Uh, but yeah, so, so Steve Wynn starts these casinos, uh, turns out
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Steve Wynn, terrible sex pervert.
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So they're trying to, they're trying to, they're, they're planning to open this
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location in Boston and they say, you know what, maybe we take his name off of it.
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And so now I'm literally looking out my window at the encore
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That is about as the crow flies. I think about four miles from from my house
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So it's very strange to see as we were discussing when we were in Las Vegas
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The the design of the building is exactly the same. So I flew out of Boston
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flew over this building
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Six hours later. I landed in Las Vegas and drove to the exact same building
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You they you know part of the brand of the wind company is is they have a certain architectural style
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You know, they're buildings. I think the two in Macau I get confused. I've never been there
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So but there's the the wind palace and I think the other ones just called win. That's right. I think that's right
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But they all you know, they have a very distinctive architectural style and colors
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So the picture you took of the encore Boston Harbor from from the airplane
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Right. It really looked like a Photoshop job. It really looked like you you went full Darth and just
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building in there
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Well just spent the entire five four and a half hour flight
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painstakingly
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Photoshopping the encore Las Vegas into the middle of Boston and Boston covered in snow
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exactly covered in snow
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It's something to see.
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I'm looking forward to it.
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I'm always looking for an excuse to go up to Boston.
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It's my favorite baseball team.
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You're a big fan.
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So, we could go up there and maybe catch a ball game or something like that, but now
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there will be gambling and all sorts of other stuff you can do at a casino.
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It is funny because we were just in Vegas.
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So yeah, Steve Wynn, terrible, terrible sex pervert, turns out, really a predator, maybe.
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I mean, just often convicted of anything, but had all sorts of all sorts of payoffs
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for truly heinous things that it's I'm glad the name is not on there.
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I'll say that.
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It Yeah, it's just just awful.
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Just awful stuff.
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But the company is sort of, you know, they're in a so that he's been forced out.
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He was he was the CEO, he was the president, he was the largest shareholder.
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And now he's none of the above.
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He resigned as the CEO.
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He resigned from the board and then he sold all of his shares in the company.
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He doesn't even own it anymore.
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But the company wasn't really done at that point.
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They needed to de Steve, the the complex because, you know, he's very fond of his own picture
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and his own voice.
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Oh, right, right famously, when you used to go to the website, just just loading the website,
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you'd suddenly be hearing from Steve Wynn,
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which and very late on top, you know, up until like two years ago, you would go to the the
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Las Vegas website and as soon as it finished loading, you would hear him talking.
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Steve Win (00;00;00;00): Hi, I'm Steve Win and welcome to the website.
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We've got easy navigation. It's fast and it's convenient and we're glad you're here. Enjoy.
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Steve Win (00;00;00;00;00)
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Which was a very 1996, 1997 sort of thing to do. When the web first really took off,
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a lot of companies didn't really know what to do.
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How a website should work.
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Right. How much like TV should it be?
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And so a lot of them thought, well, you know, this is ridiculous.
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You're looking at a screen, that's TV.
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We should talk to the people.
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And turns out, no.
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But we've had this discussion privately before, but you just know
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that there was some sort of meeting with the website team.
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And Steve Wynn was like, "Well, I think I should talk to these people. I should let them know
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where they are, let them know they're at the Wynn website." And you just know that there were
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people on that web team who tried to talk him out of it. Unsuccessfully.
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And obviously unsuccessfully. So I'm sure that was an easy fix. They just deleted that audio
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file. I'm sure that was very satisfying for somebody. But there were all sorts of
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bits of Steve Wynn all throughout the complex. There's a restaurant in Las Vegas, Sinatra,
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named it's in conjunction with the Frank Sinatra family. Pictures of Frank Sinatra with Steve Wynn
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throughout the years. They worked together when Steve Wynn owned the Golden Nugget in
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Atlantic City in the late 70s, early 80s. All sorts of pictures of him. Those pictures,
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No longer there. They're gone. They're in a closet somewhere with as your wife Amy likes to say that's where the Joe Paterno statue is
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Maybe the Smithsonian's Cosby sweaters. I'm sure they had some of those and those are stashed away somewhere now, too. I
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Didn't think about that, but I'm sure you're right that the the Smithsonian surely did
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have that Disney used to have it Disney World they had like a
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TV Hall of Fame sure like sort of busts of famous TV people and and
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And step one, they took away Cosby.
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And then step two, they just got rid of the whole thing.
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The whole attraction is gone.
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Yeah, I think they got worried that maybe Betty White maybe had some skeletons in her
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closet as well.
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They're like, "We got to get rid of all of these."
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Who knows what Betty White did.
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That's your pick for the next one is Betty White.
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She is a treasure.
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I think she was a predator.
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I'm not lodging any accusations.
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I'm just saying I wouldn't bet against it.
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But anyway, they've completely de-steved the entire Wynn complex, other than the fact that
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it is still called the Wynn.
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Well, but as we've noted, his ex-wife, Elaine Wynn, who took his name and then kept it,
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is now the majority shareholder of the company, right?
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Right, that is true.
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Well, not majority, I don't think.
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She's just the largest shareholder.
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Like, I don't think she owns more than 50%, but she is the single largest shareholder
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in the company. And her last name is also Wynn, although maybe she also wants to change
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that at this point, I don't know. Yeah, it's sort of like, it's like I think that they're
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going to just turn him into like a Colonel Sanders type figure, you know? Yeah, he was
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a real guy, but I feel like after Steve Wynn dies, maybe they'll bring him back as sort
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of like a cartoon mascot. And he'll be a lovable, you know, non-predatory.
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I would bet against that. I don't think there's any fix in this thing.
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Although Colonel Sanders is still around.
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As like 15 different mascots right now, right?
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Did you ever hear the story where a New York Times food critic, sometime around 1977 or so, took the actual Colonel Sanders into a KFC in Midtown New York?
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This was after, you know, he sold this, you know, sold the, his chain to, you know, to
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a nationwide company at some point, you know, 15 years before.
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So, so he hadn't really been in direct.
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Yeah, it wasn't really, it was a, he was a spokesperson, but he really wasn't involved
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with the restaurants.
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And so she took him in and, and they went back to the kitchen and he was horrified and
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read everybody the riot act about how they were doing everything wrong and and it's pretty I should
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see if I can find that but it's a good story in his later years he became highly critical of the
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food served by kfc restaurants as he believed they had cut costs and allowed quality to deteriorate
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yeah there you go yeah it was all like cost cutting and any you know like the mashed potatoes
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aren't really mashed potatoes they're you know some kind of chemical recreation of mashed potatoes
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and he's like how the hell can you not you just boil potatoes in there max them up
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like this is not you know not tricky food anyway anyway win boston harbor not win encore
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encore boston harbor yeah well what's the so there's two there's two things to this name
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because it was when they were when they were applying for this and and trying to make it
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happen it was the win boston harbor right and now they then they scrubbed his name from it it's the
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encore boston harbor but the boston harbor aspect of it is also fallacious because if you
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i don't know i don't know maybe you throw a map in the in the show notes or something but
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uh i can i'm sitting in boston right now and i can see this but the actual property is in a town
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called everette which is just over the line from boston and the waterfront that it will be on is
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the mystic river which feeds into boston harbor again about four miles down the road down the
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down the stream so i get why they didn't go with the encore everett but they're definitely playing
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a little fast and loose with the name here yeah i wonder uh phillies was going to be in the city
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proper uh it was going to be right right in the city city i don't want to go on a super long
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tangent about it but it Philly has a weird thing where we've got two rivers
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we've got the Schuylkill River which most people can't spell S-C-H-U-Y-L-K-I-L-L
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the kill part is easy yeah once you get past the school right school now runs
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right through the middle of the city and it divides it into you know Drexel and
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Penn are on the one side of the river and then Center City Philadelphia is on
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the other side and then we've got the the Delaware River which is the border
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between Pennsylvania and New Jersey and it's a much bigger wider river.
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It's a very wide river. For whatever reason, most cities' riverfront property is prestigious.
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It's expensive real estate. People want to live on the water. In Philly, we have I-95
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running right along the Delaware. It's a giant superhighway running right down
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where it by most logic should be the you know some of the best real estate in the
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city. Billions of dollars worth of real estate. And it's just weird and then you
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know the land it's just underused and that's where Wynn was going to put
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their their casino resort. And they had a really nice plan where they parking is always
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an issue with a casino because people drive to the casino and they've got all these cars
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and parking garages are ugly. So they had a really nice plan where they were going to
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put the whole parking garage underground, everything was going to be underground. And
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then on the top of it, about, you know, about one story out, they were going to build, just
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put grass and make it a nice public park, it would, you know, wouldn't be like you'd
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have to pay or anything. It was going to be a public park right along the river, right next to the
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casino. Just as a nice thing for the city here, we're going to build this big casino. We're going
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to have all these fancy restaurants and all this stuff. We'll put all the cars underground, and
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then on top of it, we'll have a nice little park where anybody can come. Seemed very nice.
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Instead, we- And you guys screwed up the whole thing.
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We got bubkas. Got absolutely nothing. We got the sugar house.
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Well, it's funny, I was looking at the the when Massachusetts legalized casino gambling,
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I think they take a 25% cut right off the top in taxes. So it's a huge amount of money going
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to the state, which is why they're interested in doing this. And I was looking at the estimates,
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and because they're going to have an impact on multiple cities, they have to pay surrounding
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community agreements and the city of boston is going to get something like 50 million
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over 15 years so you know three or four million a year something like that uh the city of
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everette which is i'd have to look but it's a city of under 100 000 people i think is
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going to make 472 million over that first 15 years that's the estimate at least holy
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crap uh and and you know this is a like i said it's a small city that that this is gonna
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like it's gonna be like 20% of their annual budget they're gonna get every year just from
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one casino being there.
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Oh my god, it's crazy.
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So yeah, I don't know, I think Philly blew it.
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Yeah, I would say so.
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Forty-six thousand in the population and they're gonna get something like 32 million a year
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out of just having this casino be on the edge of their city.
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That's absolutely crazy.
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Yeah, and Philly really was going to have it right in the city.
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So we've got one, I think we've only got one that's officially in city limits.
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That's the Sugar House I mentioned.
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Terrible name.
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Which is a terrible name.
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It is a terrible casino.
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Although, I will say I haven't been there in several years because it's so miserable.
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So you think maybe it got slightly less miserable?
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I forget if I've even talked about this before, but Amy and I went, I think, twice.
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And the one time we went, it was the winter, and everybody had their coats checked.
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They don't have a coat check?
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Well, I guess they did.
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And Amy and I, maybe everybody was thinking the same thing we were, where Amy and I didn't
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check our coats because we're like, "I don't think we're going to see."
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We want to be able to get out of here, yeah.
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But even people who seem to be settled in, playing games and etc., were all wearing their
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It just seemed weird.
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It throws you off.
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I don't know.
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Atlantic City has pretty much identical climate to Philadelphia, and they've had casinos for
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an entire generation.
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I don't remember this problem, the times I've been to an Atlantic City casino of all
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Where do you put your coat?
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But it does seem like a weird problem.
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Yeah, coats and casinos just don't seem to go well together, like an outdoor jacket.
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And again, maybe they have fixed it.
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I haven't been there in years.
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But the problem with Sugarhouse was when the Pennsylvania State Legislature legalized
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gambling, they only legalized slot machines and assorted whatever, video poker.
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No table games.
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No table games, which seems stupid to me, A, because I don't like to play slot machines.
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I like to play table games.
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And B, what sense does that make?
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I see the argument not to have gambling at all.
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I don't see the argument of, you know, you can have slot machines, but you can't have
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table games.
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It seems to me like if anything, you should do it the other way.
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Slot machines are the ones that seem more addictive, and people sort of zone out and,
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you know, maybe play too much.
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But anyway, before they opened, the Pennsylvania State Legislature came to a census.
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Somebody more or less said exactly what I did.
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This doesn't make any sense.
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Why don't we have table games, too?
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And they're like, "Okay."
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And then they said, "Okay, we can have table games."
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But the Sugar House had already been,
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it was already under construction.
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- So they had to tack this on?
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- Yeah, they had a floor plan that was entirely based
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on the idea that they'd only have,
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the only gambling would be slot machines and et cetera.
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And so they just put the table games,
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like Blackjack and Roulette and craps,
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they just put them in what clearly were going to be
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the aisles between the table games,
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between the slot machines. And so you literally like I played
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some blackjack and like the back of your chair was right up
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against slot machines. It was very strange. And then there was
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nowhere really to walk around. It was extremely crowded. And it
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was a brand new casino. It was you know, the whole thing was
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built from the ground and everyone's bulked up with their
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winter jackets. Everybody had puffy coats. I saw a guy I
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remember this when Amy and I were there. Let's have one drink
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and then we'll hit the road.
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Let's get out of here."
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So we went over to a bar.
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And you know how in a casino, a lot of times
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the bars will have video poker built right into the bar.
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Sure, they got to keep taking as much of your money as possible.
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Yeah, why not?
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And it wasn't crowded.
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And so Amy and I sat down, and there was a guy to my left.
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And I looked over, and he had like--
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I wasn't trying to rubberneck.
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I feel like that's rude, but I looked
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to see what he was playing.
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He was playing video poker.
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and he had like 4,000 credits.
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And I was like, holy crap, man.
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And I was like, what the hell is that?
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And I was like, I think those are quarters, but that's--
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That's about 1,000 bucks.
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And he was right next to me, so I wanted to be discreet about it.
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I wanted to get Amy's attention and say, hey, this guy's got like 1,000 bucks
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on this thing.
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But I didn't really have an opportunity to talk.
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And then I look over again, and it said 6,000.
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And I was like, holy crap.
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And then it was 8,500.
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So I was like, holy shit, this guy's making a mint.
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And by the time I got Amy's attention, it was back down to like a thousand.
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So this guy in the course of like 10 minutes had won over a thousand dollars in video poker
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and then lost close to two thousand.
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And you would never know it.
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You'd never know he was playing for more.
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You'd think he was playing for like five bucks or something.
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It was just total robot, you know, just hitting buttons, but playing super fast.
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So you're saying this casino is going to be a great thing here in Boston.
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It's going to go well for everybody.
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I see no problems stemming from this.
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I don't know.
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You're not really a gambler, are you?
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No, I think we've talked about this a little bit.
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Any money that I would win gambling would be, "Okay, that's nice."
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And any money that I would lose gambling, I would think, "What the hell did I just do?"
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You're too sensible.
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Yeah, the upshot is so minimal compared to the downside for me.
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Yeah, I'm like an evil Paul Kavas.
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I think we both have equal understanding of the mathematics and how screwed you are ultimately
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playing any of these games.
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And I can completely disassociate.
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And enjoy it.
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From the math.
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I feel I I don't believe it, you know, like right now talking to you in in the light of day. I
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Know it's not true
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But while I'm playing I feel like I get what I deserve
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I feel like there are blackjack gods and and if I've been a good boy, I get good cards
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If I've done done the universe wrong karma comes and gets me and I get a bunch of 16
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Do you believe in karma anywhere else or only at the blackjack table?
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Only at, only at, well, in craps. Sure, sure. Yeah. Well, actually, let me take a break here
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a 30 day free trial at audible.com/talk show. Hey, it's your good friend John here. I'm
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I'm a big dummy and I forgot to make a book recommendation.
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And our friends at Audible always want a book recommendation.
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This time it's easy.
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It's Ken Kachenda's Creative Selection.
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That's the book that came out last year.
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Ken worked at Apple, worked on the original iPhone team,
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and it is simply a fantastic book.
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Anybody who enjoys this show is gonna love this book.
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And the audio book is read by Ken Kachenda himself,
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which I think is always great.
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So there's my selection, creative selection by Ken Kaczenda.
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Here, hold on one second here, Paul.
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I got a special guest.
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I'm Amy Jane Gruber.
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And I'm Paul Kaposis.
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And you're listening to Just the T—
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Inside of the Talk Show.
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We're totally taking it away.
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What do you want to talk about today, Paul?
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Anything but technology.
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Oh, it's so funny because I actually had like an Apple store.
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Oh, well, go ahead.
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Guess who's the jackass who washed her iPods two days before the new ones come out?
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Wait, isn't that- you washed your little case with the AirPods in it?
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The AirPods, iPods, whatever.
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And they're dead?
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One is dead and one sounds a little squishy.
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So wait, isn't that perfect?
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I mean, maybe you didn't have an excuse to update before and now, well, whoops.
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Yeah, but now I'm like, I'm without iPods and I'm walking around and it's so funny because
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When they first came out, you thought everyone looked stupid.
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You know, these little things dangling from your ears.
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People with cords look so dumb.
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I feel like an idiot.
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- Oh, you're walking around all corded,
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all tethered to your whatever.
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- Yeah, I'm all walking away from things
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and forgetting to grab my phone.
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It's horrible.
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It's horrible.
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- I, you might know a guy who could get you a new pair.
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I don't know.
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He might have a little bit of pull.
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Well, I mean, I can walk into an Apple store, same as anybody, but I need them now and I can't buy them now.
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I need them right now.
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I think you're stuck living a corded life for another week or two.
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Yeah, when do they come out?
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Uh, I don't know. They ship in next week, something? I don't know. You gotta...
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You might be too late now. It might take weeks. You could be tethered to your phone for weeks.
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Look at us talking about Apple stuff.
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I mean, I call everything all the wrong name.
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Uh, yeah, that's pretty much all I got in terms of stuff.
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Uh, I took a tumble, uh, Scarlet took a tumble.
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You took a tumble.
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Tell me more.
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I almost lost a tooth.
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Well, no, I didn't almost lose a tooth.
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I went to the dentist.
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I didn't lose tooth, uh, just some, some damage.
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I took a tumble.
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Hold on, hold on.
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It was very embarrassing.
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- You took enough of a tumble that you,
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was your next move to go to the dentist?
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- No, because I thought I felt okay.
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And then my tooth started to kind of hurt.
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And then I just convinced myself
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that it was going to turn black and fall out.
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- So I went to the dentist and they're all like talking
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about bruised ligaments and you know,
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that I should be fine.
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And I was like, just tell me,
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is my tooth going to turn black and fall out?
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And they said, most definitely not.
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And I said, let me out.
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- I'm out of here, I'm good.
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Yeah, that was all I needed. That was all I needed.
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Alright. Uh, but you're okay.
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Yeah, I'm totally, totally fine. Uh, I thought I broke my nose then.
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I'm a little bit of a hypochondriac, really.
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Well, wait. But a hypochondriac has like a cough and thinks they have deadly swine flu.
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You... it sounds like you smashed your face into something.
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I don't think that's su- I don't know that that qualifies as being a hypochondriac.
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I have a red dot on my nose and it kind of hurts when I smile so don't make me laugh.
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No problem there. Let's keep it somber.
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No problem there on this show. Should we let him play? Should we have a special guest on the show?
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Oh, no, we have a rule. No guests. No guests. Sorry, John.
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When we're done the show's over. So he I hope he got all his ad reads in.
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Do you know how we had like a vow to say like oh this you know, not say this will all be cut.
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This won't happen.
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His show doesn't have that rule, so...
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This is getting cut.
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Well now wait, so this is back to...
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Let's get it back on topic, Amy. Let's keep it back on track.
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Do you want to talk about my tumble?
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Do you want to talk about how I just got my glasses straightened so I don't look crazy anymore?
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Have you ever noticed if somebody's glasses are a little crooked, they look crazy?
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They look nuts!
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Yeah, I just walked in and I was like, "Unnetting Professor Me!"
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Professor B, and first of all, the kid was too young to have any idea what I was talking about.
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I'm probably too young.
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I was totally gonna go with Jerry Lewis on that though, yeah.
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That's totally the Jerry Lewis look.
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Yeah, well this kid didn't know what I was talking about.
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I mean, so, yeah, so I got those straightened out.
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Alright, but you're okay.
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Yeah, I'm totally fine. I'm totally fine.
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Then we don't care about this anymore.
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Your AirPods though, your AirPods I'm worried about.
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Yeah, so am I.
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They're upstairs in a bag of rice.
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I'm walking around with the wires.
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Were they in their case when they went in the wash?
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Yes. Really?
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Yes. See, 'cause I--
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See, this all relates to my tumble because--
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Oh, huh, huh, sure.
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The tumble took me off my game.
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Like, I don't wash things with things in the pockets.
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Like, I was off my game yesterday.
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I was really scared, I was convinced,
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black front tooth, you know, broken nose.
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I'm just gonna say this is totally false. She washes my pants with stuff in the pockets all the time.
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Wait, that's on you! That's a- she just- her responsibility ends with her stuff and maybe the boys.
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Yeah, no, I don't even- well, I steal their money. I do steal their money. But that, like, pops out.
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Uh, that's a true mom move to steal all the money you find in the washer.
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You gotta get paid for this somehow.
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Yeah, but uh, yeah, I don't check their pockets for things.
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That's on them.
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But so you usually, you usually keep your pockets free and clear
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before they go in the wash.
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So it's, it all comes back to the tumble and, uh, I mean, it was bound to happen.
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It just happened at the absolute worst time.
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So I, I slide my AirPods into my, my little jeans, fifth pocket all the time.
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It's the only thing I've ever used that pocket for.
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And I think that's like the greatest feature that Apple has not even mentioned
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is that they fit right in there.
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But I, I'm a woman.
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We don't have pockets at all.
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pocket is also usually fake, but it was in my gym clothes.
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I managed to wash mine in the case and I pulled them out and I said, "Ah, hell."
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And to my knowledge, there has been no issue.
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So I don't know.
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Do you use, you know, they've got the gentle cycle.
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Were you on like the rough cycle?
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Yeah, my clothes are real dirty.
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Real dirty in the pits.
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Uh, no, I just, well, one of them, one of them works.
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So, you know, it's not that bad.
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- I don't know, it's pretty bad.
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- No, we've got the rice.
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I mean, I have faith in the rice.
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Maybe misplaced faith in the rice.
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You should see John's setup down here.
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He's like in our basement.
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He's staring at a wall.
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This is not, I can't even tell you about his desk.
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Does he do show notes?
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Can I take a picture of this desk?
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- What he's working with here?
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- No. - Yes.
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Yes you may. You can and you will.
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This is terrible.
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And the travesty that is his disgusting desk will be shared with the world.
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This is terrible. Oh, and I'm looking at his computer.
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You know he had a guy on here named Rich Mogul?
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What a name!
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I'm aware of Rich.
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I am not. But...
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Hell of a name though. You're right.
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Hell of a name. I hope it's working out for him.
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Well, I mean, I guess that's about all my time.
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I feel like we've done 30 minutes.
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Are we gonna be able to get our theme song here?
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We can make it happen.
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Just the tip
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Amy and Paul
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The best darn podcast
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Just the tip
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Amy and Paul
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The best darn podcast
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Podcast of them all
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If only I knew a guy really good at audio I might I might be able to make it happen
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Well now he sprung this on me too early this this is how we should have ended the show
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But now I got to go back and talk his nonsense. Oh
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Yeah, I know. Well, you know what everyone else will be so glad that it's done. I
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I don't, I don't, I think these people are going to complain.
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We just got a text from Audible. They called it off.
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The whole thing's off. They're not paying for that ad.
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I don't remember how we used to end our show.
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Just walk away. Just footstep noises walking away.
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Wait. Okay, I'm gonna flip this janky desk over and walk away.
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[sad trombone]
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Who did Santa's hair blow?
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There we go, wasn't that fun?
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What a delightful treat.
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It's like old days.
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It's like...
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just like hanging out with you two weeks ago.
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We're having fun,
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we're stuck there thinking about going to play Blackjack.
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I'm working on my sports path.
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Who you got in the tournament, John?
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I got the same pick I've made for around 27 consecutive years.
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I've got the University of North Carolina going all the way.
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That's worked out well multiple times in the recent past.
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But I'm sick to my stomach because you
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know who's going to win?
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You think Duke's actually going to win?
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The best thing that ever happened to Duke-- and I hate Duke.
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I've been lifelong North Carolina fan, so I hate Duke.
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And I really don't like Coach K. I
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I think he's a smug arrogant.
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I just, there's something about that guy
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that rubs me the wrong way.
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I don't like his black hair.
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That's fake, come on.
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The guy's 70 years old
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and he's got a head full of black hair.
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Don't like him, but I'll tell you what,
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best thing that ever happened to him,
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that team this year was Zion Williamson
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going down for a couple of games
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and they look bad without him.
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- And then he came back and he,
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he looks like if you made like a comedy video
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where you took an NBA star and had him play against an eighth grade team.
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That is what he looks like playing against elite teams in the ACC.
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He came back, and it was just unbelievable.
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He had one game.
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His first game back, he didn't miss a shot.
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He was like 13 for 13 or 14 for 14 from the field.
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And they were all dunks.
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He literally didn't miss a shot.
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They're unfortunately dominant.
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I mean, it's hopefully something terrible,
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you know, not an injury.
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I've never read for an injury,
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but some kind of fluke, bad luck afflicts them.
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- All right.
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- Who do you got?
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- Well, so I do a bracket
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with some idiot friends from college,
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and I'm including myself in that.
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I'm one of the idiot friends.
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But my move is to grab a celebrity bracket
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and then change like three things.
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So I grabbed a bracket that had Gonzaga
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and I honestly couldn't tell you much more.
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I've got Duke losing, I think in the final four,
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'cause I think they've had their first Gonzaga.
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So I think I've got them losing there, but.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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It's set up where if the favorites win,
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it would be Duke and Gonzaga in the final four.
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- Here's one.
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I noticed this while I was filling out my bracket
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And I don't mean, if there are alumni
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of this university listening,
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I'm really not trying to slag on it.
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But for the first time in my life,
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it really struck me what an unusual name Ole Miss is.
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- Is that their proper name?
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- I don't even know, is it?
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That's how it's listed on the bracket, O-L-E-M-I-S-S.
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- Yeah, no, it's University of Mississippi.
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I'm looking at their Wikipedia page,
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colloquial colloquial II known as Ole Miss. Yeah, that is a it's a very strange name
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So when you get your diploma, it doesn't say Ole Miss probably not
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Unusual name
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Particularly the oh, well, right, right. Right. It's not ol apostrophe. It's right
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Right. I could even give them the apostrophe if that's what you that's how you say it, you know, like like
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In that part of the country people will often use the
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Collective second person pronoun y'all we're sure and you would which I believe is properly spelled y apostrophe a ll
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Which is actually linguistically a much-needed
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pronoun in the English language probably this in my opinion the single biggest deficiency in
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standard written English is the lack of a a
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Second person plural sure
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You know here in Philly. We've got use
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Don't don't even these don't even talk about Pittsburgh. I get sick to my stomach here in this one
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I'm sorry people from Pittsburgh, but it's disgusting
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Young so is it young sir years?
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Yeah, oh, we should get a me background. She could tell us I
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Forget what it is, but it I?
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I remember the first time I went out there to see her,
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which my wife Amy was both an undergrad
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and then went to Pitt Law School.
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The first time I went out there,
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heard people say "Yinz,"
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I honestly looked around like for hidden cameras.
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Like I thought maybe I was on the punk show or something.
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- Right, 'cause it's not something that's,
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like you'll hear y'all in the Northeast,
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not often, but you'll hear it
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and understand what it means.
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That one, I think I first heard it
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when I first visited Pittsburgh as well
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I had no idea what it even meant.
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Pittsburgh, I've always said that Pittsburgh is the closest, in my opinion, the closest
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America gets to Springfield from the Simpsons, where it is nowhere.
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It's not the Midwest.
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It is not the East Coast.
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They have their own brand of beer that everybody drinks exactly, you know, where Springfield
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Pittsburgh has, I can't say it right, it's Iron City, but they have a very particular way of pronouncing it, Iron City.
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Iron City beer. And it's everywhere. And you can't get it anywhere else. There is nowhere else to get it.
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And they say things that nobody else says. It's a charming city, but it is really unusual.
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All right now that we've offended all the people from Pittsburgh
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And the people from Ole Miss sure
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Well, I don't think we've offended them. I think even they would admit that is an unusual name
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Yeah, I just did a quick look. I can't see an indication of where that originates without you know doing a deeper dive
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Yeah, yeah, and can you think of another school that has an old man nickname?
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Yeah, well that just goes by something that is other than its real name. Yeah, huh?
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I mean nobody I would you say the real name is I don't have no idea Mississippi University, Mississippi
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University of Mississippi. Yeah, I think I guess I don't know. I don't know anyone who went to Ole Miss
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So, I don't know if they identify as being from Ole Miss or University of Mississippi. I don't know
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Somebody let me know let me know what's on the diploma. There you go. Get a picture of that diploma
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We got lots of news to cover Apple Apple had an unusual week where I
00:41:57
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I can't think of anything else quite like it. So there's an event next week on Monday, March 25th,
00:42:04
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which is much rumored to be about subscription services. We'll get to that at the end of the show.
00:42:08
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I heard reliably, although not from someone at Apple secondhand, but somebody else in the press,
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it was Panzareno, I'll just say it. I had heard that word was out over a week,
00:42:24
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well over a week ago that there would be "no hardware" at the Apple event on March 25th.
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Yet there were all sorts of devices and things that were rumored to be imminent.
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iMacs were overdue for an update. Everybody has been thinking that there's new
00:42:45
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AirPods coming out, which was true, and that none of this would come out at the event. Turns out it
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It all came out drip by drip, day by day, this week.
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Right, right.
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Three straight days of announcements, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, just press release and
00:43:03
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here's some new hardware.
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Yeah, and then it got people into sort of like a fever.
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People got excited.
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Right, nothing came on Thursday.
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Everybody was convinced that we were going to get a new Apple product every day, like
00:43:16
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maybe for the rest of time.
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At least for the rest of the week.
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MacRumors even ran a story, they're like, "I knew iPod Touch is coming tomorrow."
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And it didn't.
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But it was a good guess.
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They had a good shot, yeah.
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No, but the other curious thing from the inside, here we go into, like I always say, director's
00:43:39
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commentary on during Fireball.
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The interesting part, which I can now say, is that on Monday, I was in New York, and
00:43:45
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had similar briefings in Cupertino for the West Coast press, but they had press briefings Monday
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in New York and Cupertino for the new iMacs and the new iPads, the iPad Air and the iPad Mini. That
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was where I took delivery of a review unit of the iPad Mini. But there was absolutely no mention
00:44:11
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Monday about new AirPods. They didn't tell us about it. They didn't have them there for
00:44:15
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us to see. To my knowledge, nobody got review units. If somebody has a review unit, it's
00:44:21
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not me and the reviews aren't out yet.
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Right. You had mentioned that you'd gotten this iPad mini and I said, "Well, is there
00:44:28
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any news on new AirPods?" And you said, "No, nothing else. Just the iPads and the iMac."
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And then Wednesday, you look like an idiot.
00:44:37
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Because there they are. There's the new AirPods. I think I understand their strategy. I mean,
00:44:45
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one thing about Apple PR is they do not like to explain themselves.
00:44:50
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For public relations and marketing, getting the silo treatment on things.
00:44:57
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Well they love to explain their products, but they do not like to explain their strategy.
00:45:02
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So asking them, "Hey, why did you not give us AirPods?"
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They'll have an answer, but it's just some kind of nonsense answer.
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But I think the thinking is twofold.
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I think, one, the day-by-day strategy was just to keep Apple in the news cycle leading
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up to next week's event.
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So Monday, there was Apple News.
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Tuesday there was Apple News.
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Wait, is that right?
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When was the AirPods?
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Did it start with the iPads and then do the iMacs?
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Is that the right order?
00:45:39
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Yeah, is that right?
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I think that is right.
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I think the iMacs were under embargo until Tuesday, the news about them.
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And then Wednesday was the AirPods 2.
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They're not really calling it AirPods 2.
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They're just the new AirPods.
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And then Thursday was the reviews of the iMac Mini came out.
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Just to, you know, that was something.
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And then I guess today there's…
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What did I say?
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I Mac Mini, which I didn't know what that would be.
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Just be like the old 17-inch flower power.
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Just a smaller iMac.
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So I think that the basic idea was just, hey, let's have a little bit of news every day
00:46:24
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of the week just to keep Apple in the news.
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And then everybody will be thinking about Apple leading up to Monday's big event.
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Presumably all the big stuff will be announced.
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JEFF DEIST Because otherwise, people aren't thinking
00:46:34
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about the biggest company in the world.
00:46:36
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They just—if they don't do something every single day of the week, people won't pay
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any attention.
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JAY P. HENRY People will forget about Apple.
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And I think that maybe the reason they didn't see review units of AirPod, the new AirPods,
00:46:51
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that they, at least according to their website, they require the very latest version of MacOS
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>> Newer than we currently have right now, you mean?
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Like, it's iOS 12.2 and MacOS 10.14 point whatever, which are currently in beta as we
00:47:12
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record and this week, and presumably will come out on Monday, I guess after the event
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and before people start getting these AirPods.
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Um, and I guess the, I, you know, it makes sense to me that they, it, for whatever
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technical reason that is that, that they require these very latest Mac OS and iOS
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versions, they don't want reviewers to have to install beta versions of, you
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know, Mac OS and iOS just to test AirPods.
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So I, I don't know.
00:47:38
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But if they gave you an iPad, what's the iPad mini running?
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That's a good question.
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I don't have it handy.
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Uh, I guess it's running 12.1 point, whatever.
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I don't know, I should look. I don't have it handy though. It's not running 12.2 though.
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You're sure it's not?
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Pretty sure.
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Because, I mean, they certainly, if they give you, I mean, I guess that's risky. If you
00:48:02
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give out a review unit with a beta OS and there's some sort of an issue, then you don't
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know whether to ascribe it to the hardware or the software.
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Yeah, I'm trying to think if they've ever done that before. Not really. I don't think
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They tend not to do that.
00:48:18
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The weirdest thing they've ever done, in my experience, is AirPod-related, where back
00:48:22
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whatever year it was when the AirPods came out, they gave us "prototype" AirPods after
00:48:29
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the…was it the September event?
00:48:32
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It was 2016, yeah.
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It was like September or October of 2016.
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So they gave the people who got the phones for review, they gave them AirPods, but they
00:48:40
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these are prototypes and we will need these back when we ship the real air pots and then like and
00:48:47
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they're usually very lax about like asking for review hardware back like every once in a while
00:48:52
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you get I get like a reminder that says like here's you know here's the inventory of the stuff
00:48:56
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that's sitting somewhere in your house sitting somewhere in my office here's all the stuff you
00:49:01
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have that's sitting in your office that you should send back and then I just send it you know I put
00:49:05
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it all. Like I tend to do it in a terrible dump. Just throw it all in one rubber made
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crate and slap a shipping label on there.
00:49:13
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Yeah, and just ship it all back to Apple all at once. But they're very nice about it. It's
00:49:19
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all very lax. But with those AirPods, the day that the real ones came out and they're
00:49:25
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like, "Okay, we're now shipping AirPods," they were like, "Please send us back the
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prototypes. Here is a FedEx prepaid label. We need this tomorrow."
00:49:33
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So how many weeks did it take you to get them back to them, John?
00:49:37
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No, I sent it-- it was very clear that they wanted them back immediately.
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And so I actually sent them back right on the day.
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I was like, I don't know why they have such a, you know,
00:49:46
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ants in their pants on this issue.
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But whatever it is, I'll send it back.
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And the funny thing is, I know I had them.
00:49:52
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Panzareno had them.
00:49:53
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Renee had them.
00:49:54
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A bunch of people who were regular guests on the show had those.
00:49:58
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And all of us agreed.
00:49:59
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They were-- there was no way to tell that they were not AirPods.
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That's what I was going to ask. Was there any physical difference that you could see?
00:50:05
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No physical difference. No functional difference. I have no idea what made those
00:50:11
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"prototypes" and what the difference was. The experience of using them was exactly the same.
00:50:18
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Interesting.
00:50:18
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But anyway, what do you want to talk about first?
00:50:23
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Well, we're talking AirPods. Should we talk battery life on the AirPods?
00:50:27
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Yeah, yeah. So that's a good topic.
00:50:31
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So this was interesting.
00:50:33
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I sent you an article and then I can't remember if it's from this article or yeah.
00:50:37
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So the article talks about how two years ago, this guy heard everybody on podcast raving
00:50:42
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about AirPods and so he decided to buy a pair.
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And now two years later, you know, early 2017, he buys them early 2019.
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He's had them for a couple of years and that the battery life on them is crap.
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And that now he hears all sorts of people on podcasts complaining about a similar issue
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with poor battery life on their AirPods. And I know you and I have had discussions with several
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people who've run into this exact same issue. Yeah, Amy's got that issue. And it didn't do it.
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Before they went through the watch. Before they went through the watch.
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Let's set that aside as a caveat. Yeah. And I've noticed too, because I tend to,
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like one of the things I do, I listen to long podcasts, I listen to like ATP. And I listen to
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a long enough podcast and I get to the point where they start playing that sad little beep
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boop boop. Right. Yeah. So I use them, I have them with me most days, but I use them for
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brief phone calls and maybe a little bit of music listening. I almost never hit this.
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So I have not had any complaints about the battery life, but it's very clear that, you know, battery,
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we all know batteries degrade over time. And these do not through cycles, right? Not just time,
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But you know as as you charge and discharge and charge and discharge that the battery deteriorates
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So I and and these these devices have really no way for somebody to replace the battery
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so, you know the iPhone obviously famously had issues with batteries and an Apple Institute of replacement plan and
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You had to go to Apple to do it and you still have to go to Apple to do it
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But it is possible to do to my knowledge
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Apple does not have anything for the batteries in the AirPods. Is that right?
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No, I don't think so. No, they definitely right
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So so if you if you two years in if your AirPods if their batteries are so crummy that you know
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They're unusable or you're not getting enough use time out of them. Your option is pretty much
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Throw them away or hopefully recycle them with Apple I think but not
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Not not get a new battery for 50 bucks or even you know any amount of money
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Yeah, there's no replacement for it. And it does seem wasteful now. You really think about it.
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They're $160. They still sound great, right? It's just the battery, right? There's nothing
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wrong with mine, which I've had since December of 2016, I guess now. Absolutely nothing wrong
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with them. I've never lost one, amazingly, yet. And my battery life is okay, but I can definitely
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tell it's not as good as it used to be because when they were brand new I never heard that sound
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right I remember people saying it and I was like well I got to like keep these out of the case
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because I that one of the ways that I've never lost one you put it right back in the dance right
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I'm very very very religious about like it's either in my ear in my hand or in the case
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absolutely never put them anywhere else and so but you keep putting them in the case and they
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keep charging through cycles right right it was only you know I would say only in the last year
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have I started hearing that sound and I don't my use isn't any different so they clearly don't get
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as good a battery life as they used to. And as you said it's interesting because these are,
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Amy noted that when these first came out people said well they look dumb and I have definitely
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noticed in the past six months that it is very rare to see somebody using headphones that are
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not AirPods. I shouldn't say very rare but it's very common to see them the same way 10 or 15
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years ago you'd see the white corded headphones for iPods. AirPods have become that which is
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incredible. But if they have a two year or even even a three year lifespan and then they're
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literally just trash that's pretty bad for a high-end product. The iPod headphones were
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20 or 30 bucks which was probably too expensive for what they were but they were cheap by
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comparison and you know if those got disposable because the cord frayed or whatever not the end of
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end of the world, but when you're paying $160 for a pair of headphones, it's not unreasonable
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to think, "Hey, these should last me, I don't know what the right number is, but five or
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ten years, and if I have to pay a little bit to replace the battery, okay."
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But Apple has obviously moved away from any sort of replaceable battery.
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I don't think there's, just off the top of my head, I can't think of any product where
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you can replace the battery short of taking it to Apple at least.
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Yeah, it seems like a shame.
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I mean, I get it.
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You know, there's just these little things that are glued together.
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But it's one of those things that I feel, they're very futuristic, right?
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Like if you could go back in time and say, "Oh my God, you're going to have these wireless
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headphones with practically no latency, and they run for hours, and they stay in perfect
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sync even though they're not connected to each other at all."
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You'd be like, "That's an amazing futuristic product."
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But I can't help but think that like 10, 20 years from now, we're going to look back and
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say, "My God, what a waste.
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We're spending $160 on these things that only lasted three years."
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Well, and it's funny because I haven't hit this battery issue yet, but sooner or later
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I will, and I'll want to replace them.
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And I feel bad saying it, but I'll probably buy another pair of AirPods.
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And like I said, I hope they recycle them.
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I hope you can turn them into Apple.
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I haven't looked to see if you're able to do that.
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I assume so.
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But even that's a pretty poor way to handle it as opposed to throwing a new battery in
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there or some sort of upgrade that currently isn't possible.
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So the new ones, they have a new chip, the H1 chip, which when I first linked it up,
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I was like, "I wonder why?"
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Because the other ones had the W1 chip, which I thought was wireless.
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I guess that's what the W was.
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But now the watches still have W chips.
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Their system chips are the S. So it's like the S3 or the S2.
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And then they have the W chip for their wireless communication.
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But these headphones, the new AirPods have the H1.
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And I wondered about it.
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And then I got an answer from somebody who would
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know that the H is for headphones.
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That was certainly the assumption.
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But yeah, you've confirmed that.
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I have confirmed that the H is for headphones.
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Somebody speculated-- another good guess
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was that the H was for Hey Siri.
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- Which I guess I always try not to say on the show,
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There's my iPad.
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- Lighting up.
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- Yeah, Hey Dingus.
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Which is a good guess, but it's not, it's for headphones.
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And they get, you know,
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supposedly they have longer talk time.
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Talk time was always sort of the,
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it seems like that microphone really drains the battery.
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- But the nice thing about the,
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so there's two things here,
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but the nice thing about the talk time,
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even when it was, I think it was two hours
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and now it's three hours, is that right?
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- Something like that.
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- Well, but the thing is when you're using it as a headset,
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it's easy enough to just use one.
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- Because they both have a microphone
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and obviously you won't hear out of both ears,
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you won't hear your conversation,
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but the person on the other end won't really know
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that you only are using one at a time.
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So even if you have a long phone conversation,
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it's possible to swap those.
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Whereas if you're listening to music,
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you really probably want both those headphones in your ears.
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Yeah. But the thing that I noticed with this was that none of the other battery life was
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No. It doesn't seem like it. It seems like, you know, or at least, I mean, if it is better,
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they're not…
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They're not touting it as better. Yeah.
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Right. Right. Yeah. And it's funny that they're not calling them AirPods 2. They're
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just sort of… It's sort of a quiet announcement. They're just sort of, you know, "Hey,
00:58:28
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we've refreshed them," you know, even though it seems like it is an all-new chip.
00:58:32
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now they have the optional wireless charging case, which is what is extra 40 extra bucks
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for it. So yeah, I use a wireless charging pad for my phone at night. It's easy to just
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toss down on. But I don't think I'd pay the extra 40 bucks for that case.
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I, it's a close call for me because it's like, I, I kind of, I'd like to have the functionality,
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40 bucks is quite a lot for
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You know something you certainly don't need
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Yeah, and they charge so fast right like the nice thing about you know like your phone
00:59:09
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Typically at the end of the day my phone at least is always under 50%
00:59:13
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So it needs a you know a lot of charge and so overnight
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Yeah, just put it on the bedside pad and fall asleep, and then assume. It'll be full when you wake up
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But with the AirPods, it really is true that if I feel like they're low, I can just plug
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them into a lightning cable, and a couple minutes later, they're 100%.
00:59:32
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Right, right.
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So if it were $10 more, I'd say, "Yeah, sure, I'll buy it just in case I ever want that."
00:59:38
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But they've managed to find a price point where, like you said, I'm sort of on the fence
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And I don't think I'd buy it, but maybe I'd convince myself that I should get it.
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And I don't know, they seem to have some science there with those prices, I think.
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The other thing that is nice is that the case is available by itself for $80.
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I'm trying to train myself to round that.
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You're rounding up on the 9s?
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On the 99, like, you know, $49.99 is $50.
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$49, I'm okay with calling that $49, but whatever.
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Well, it's $79.
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Right, right.
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But you can buy it as a standalone case and it is it's compatible with the original AirPods
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So if you have existing AirPods and you really want that case you can
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Spend 80 bucks to get the case and it'll work with your AirPods
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So it seems very nice that was interesting
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But then going back to what we were talking about with battery life if you've had those AirPods already for a year or two
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You may well be better served just getting a whole new pair
01:00:45
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You're you're describing your AirPods is not having great battery life. It'd be pretty foolish for you to just buy the case at this point
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Yeah, but on the other hand, I'm loyal like I feel like these are my AirPods
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You know, I mean like I you know, I mean like I'm not gonna ditch them just cuz they're old, you know
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You know, you don't want to be sticking new things in your ears. I
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Don't know it's I
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Don't know. I feel like I have a sense of loyalty to them like with the phones
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I don't you know as soon as the new phone comes out. I'm like this old phone is garbage. Eric put it on shelf
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But with my AirPods, I feel like they're, you know, we've been places together.
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I'm not going to abandon them just because the battery life is sunk.
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You know, it's not bad.
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My battery life isn't terrible.
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That's the other thing.
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Well, but it's not, you know, it's, if you know it's going down, you know,
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it's getting worse over time.
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The other thing too is, is to charge them overnight, you really kind of need the air
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Which doesn't appear to exist at all.
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Right, because my at least I have a couple of these Qi compatible phone chargers.
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And they're all small enough. They only hold a phone, right?
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They only hold a phone. There's no there is no room on any of the ones that I own for a second device,
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even just a tiny little AirPods case.
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Right, and not only I think the way that they're built, they could only charge one device,
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even if there were physically, you know, space to drop the case on there,
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It still wouldn't work because they can only charge one device at a time. I think right there's some kind of communication, you know handshake
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It's like hey, I'm a charging pad and your device is like I'm a device that wants to charge on you
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And then they're like, you know, nice to meet you. Here's some power
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But that's it, you know, I like you said I don't think you could do another one
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It's like they only have one hand for handshaking. So we were we were talking about this as far as
01:02:35
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Where is the airpower Matt now now that they have finally shipped this?
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Qi compatible wireless charging case
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And I don't think we have a very good answer here, right?
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No, the Wall Street Journal just reported this week that it is entering production and
01:02:52
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there have been a whole bunch of people that found stuff in the
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iOS 10.12. I'm sorry 12.2 beta that there was indication the indication that it's coming
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There have been a few images found on like for an Apple websites like Apple Australia or whatever
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But it's it's very strange that on Wednesday. They say here's the new air pods with a wireless charging case and
01:03:15
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Obviously the obvious question is well, what do I charge these with?
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They say G. Yeah, right, right
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I mean I can charge it on a mat that I already have maybe but
01:03:25
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You remember when you told me a year and a year and a half ago
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When did they announce it was it was fall of 2017, right? Yeah a year and a half 18 months ago wolf
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This is really late. And they did say at the time it would be later that year. So it's, you know,
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maybe we should only, you know, the clock should only start from December of 2017.
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Did they I thought no, no, they said 20. They said it was coming 2018. Right?
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No, no. Originally, they said it was coming later in that year. Really? It was it. Yeah,
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it was it was definitely supposedly, at first it was coming in 2017. It was it was a lot like,
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The air pods were the year prior where they announced him along with the phone
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And they came out two or three months later right at the end of December, right?
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That was like right before Christmas as I recall. I remember I got him on like December 21st. I ordered him
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I think right it was it was cutting it as close as theoretically possible to the holidays, right?
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All right, well hold on I got a fact-check you here because
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the Apple PR from September of 2017
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Says coming next year on the airpower. Oh
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Maybe I'm wrong. All right, we we it says quick coming in 2018
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That's all it said which that's in the actual press release from September of 2017
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I love well, I'm glad you corrected me so I don't have to listen to people
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Well, but so so when do we count it from because if you say in September of 2017 in 2018, this will be coming
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Obviously, it's at least at this point three months late
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But realistically you figure before Christmas of that year and maybe halfway through that year
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And so yeah in my mind this should have been here almost a year ago at least
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And and as we said doesn't still doesn't exist and and so interesting that it's potentially in production
01:05:19
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But then what's their strategy as far as announcing this goes? I?
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Can only assume it'll be the quietest release
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ever. Like I don't even know.
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It'll just show up in the store. There won't even be a press release.
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Right. Will there even be an article in Newsroom?
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I guess they have to put an article in Newsroom.
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But whose name? Will Phil Schiller have a quote that says, you know,
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because like most of the stuff this week has a quote from Phil Schiller
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saying how great the new iPads are or how fast the new iMacs are.
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Like is anybody going to want to put their name on this?
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AirPower. Press release. I don't know.
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It's it is a damn curious thing. I mean the whole thing is strange because
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Why did they announce this at all in?
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2017 because when they when that event happened that was the first wireless charging phones qi charging phones
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iPhones and they gave you a phone and they gave you what like a
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Belkin charging pad, right? Yeah, there were two that they half of the reviewers got a white one from Belkin
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which I did and then the other half got a
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What brand was it Mophie did I want to say it was a Mophie I remember I think it's a Mophie and
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I think it's the one I actually have it my dad
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I actually paid for it to get it because I didn't like the I didn't like the Belkin one at all
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huh if the Belkin one had like a
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Really is a really ugly plug that goes in the socket, you know the electrical socket. It's a really ugly plug and
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It just seemed way too finicky in terms of getting the phone
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perfectly positioned and oh and the light was driving me nuts it has like a
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bright green light that faces up as it's charging you yeah so you put it on your
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bed and you've got like this weird green light whereas the mophie has a very
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subtle off-white light that points down towards the table or whatever it's
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sitting on which is exactly what I want I want it you know I like to see that
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light because then I know the phone is on it properly but it is so subtle that
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it doesn't you know distract when you're trying to sleep. So now does that one stay on as it's
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charging though? Yes. Okay because I got I don't know I got like a $20 one on Amazon and the
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feature that it has it's a subtle light like you're describing you put the phone on it it lights up
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and then over 10 seconds it fades down which is it's perfect for the inside yeah. Right all you
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want is you want you just want that light to just like note that it's working it's charging all right
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Yeah, so they did give us charging. So they could have a different charging pad.
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The airpower was not going to exist for or be available for sale for at least
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three months at that point. But they did have them. They did have them backstage,
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like when I had my briefing to get, you know, the little press briefing where I got the
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what were the iPhones of that time? I guess it was the the 10 s or no, the 10. Yeah, so I got the
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the iPhone 10 in in the room they had you know they always have every
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everything that's new set up so you can see it you know pretty you know just just
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see everything all that they have I just all the new cases and everything they
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had an air power set up and I tried it you know like I even you know took a
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phone off put it back on it was you know there was a functioning prototype of the
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air power there that I could play with or they just shoved a mophie one inside
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No, because I remember it because they had it set up where it had a watch on it too.
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I think what I did… because my phone at the time wouldn't have been Qi charging.
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Your personal phone wouldn't have been, yeah.
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No, but I think I had my Apple watch on and I took it off and put it on and it charged
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and everything worked.
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It was nice.
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So, I mean, I guess they obviously thought this was going to be done sooner than it was,
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but probably much sooner than it was.
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But it still to me does not make sense why they bothered to pre-announce it, because
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this is not something people were clamoring for.
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And now they look foolish 16 months, 18 months on, where it still is not available.
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Yeah, if they had just kept their mouths shut about it and hadn't pre-announced it, we would
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have all just been, "Well, I don't know why Apple doesn't make a first party charging
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But, you know, whatever.
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I'll get one of the other ones.
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dude. You know, I mean, how many key chargers if you search on
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Amazon, there's like 500. Well, and even beyond that there are
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now ones that will do a phone and a watch and lightning or an
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AirPods case rather. So there there are there are alternatives
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to the air power already. If you really feel that's the other
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thing too is. So digit times there's a story on Mac rumors
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today that Digitimes is reporting that the journal says they're in high production. Digitimes
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says they will be made available in quote "late March." And so as we record, it's already
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March 22nd. The event is the 25th on Monday. So presumably that means if Digitimes is correct,
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that's next week. But if Digitimes is correct, it's a big if. I have a friend texted me right
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before we started recording. A friend at Apple texted me and said, "More and more I see
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reports from Digitimes." And I think, "I hope that's true, but I know it's not."
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I wish that were true.
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Yeah, I wish it were true. And this isn't somebody who knows whether the AirPower is
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shipping or not. They want it to ship and they're disappointed because they feel like
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Digitimes saying it's going to ship means it won't.
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Well, here's the big question is how much is the thing going to cost because most of
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these third party ones are relatively cheap. They've and they've really come down in price
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over the last year. Like, how ridiculous is it going to be if this thing is like 100 bucks?
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Well, I think I think 100 might be viable. I think over the net over that will be Yeah,
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just not not at all in line with the market. Right. I mean, you know, the backstory on
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this is that they faced engineering problems with these multiple coils to support multiple devices.
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And you know, that, you know, you can't have these pads get hot, they can't, you know,
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catching fire is bad. You know, and presumably, you know, you say, why did they pre announce
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presumably, but I guess the backstory is somebody, you know, whoever makes that decision, whether it's
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Phil Schiller, or Tim Cook, or some combination of the, you know, executives voting, okay, let's
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announce it or let's not not announce it. Somebody in engineering on airpower obviously convinced
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them. Okay, we haven't solved all the problems yet. But we've got it right. You know, like, it's,
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it's, you know, sometimes you just, you know, like, when you're doing a math problem, and it's
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like, you don't have the answer yet. But you know, you, you know, you know how to get the answer.
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And somehow they convinced the decision makers. We're not done yet. But we've got it. And they
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They obviously did somebody was wrong. Well, I mean, that's the thing. Like I don't fault engineering for running into issues with this
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I don't I don't know enough about the air power itself. But like you said there's there's all sorts of issues with
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Fires and and and having enough energy to charge multiple devices and and making it work
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But I certainly can question the marketing decision to say hey this thing is coming when no one no one asked for it
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And no one would bat an eye if they had never announced this
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so I think instead they wind up obviously with with some egg on their face and
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it'll be very interesting to me if this does ship next week because
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Why not do it this week if they're doing this week of hardware?
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And presumably they won't do it at the event itself if it really will be a no hardware event
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You know, there's no way they're gonna do it on stage. There's I mean
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There's just no way no
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stage this thing that is months or years late and yeah right and then the only
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thing you would be able to demo are the things they demoed a year and a half
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ago right there's nothing done right the demo is already done so you know the
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best you can hope for is a press release I guess I wouldn't be surprised if they
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do it alongside the air pods you know make maybe when reviewers get these new
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air pods they'll get an air power to next week oh that's an interesting idea
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Because a sort of oh and by the way, this is ready - yeah, that's my guess is that it'll be this is ready - but they
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Just didn't want to talk about they wanted nothing but good good stories about Apple this week
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Because the final ease will be justified as much as I get all these publications
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Guff over the use of finally in headlines, you know when airpower does ship or if if it should
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Find the finally's will be completely justified
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That's why it's worth complaining about the misuse of finally because then when there actually is a good finally
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It take you know takes away from that. Yeah, absolutely takes away from
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the A12 system on a chip. They both have True Tone displays, laminated displays, which is the
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physical process that puts the pixels closer to the surface. Pretty much everything state of the
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art with the displays with the lack of, the only thing missing really is ProMotion, which is Apple's
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brand name for having 120 hertz refresh rate instead of 60 hertz, which of all the things
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that the iPad Pro has on their display would be my pick as if you had to leave one off.
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That's what I would say.
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The least important of the features on the chip.
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It is nice. I can kind of tell side by side, but when you're actually using it,
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you don't really see it. Whereas True Tone has been, for me, really painful when I go
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back to using devices that don't have it.
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Like I've really gotten used to True Tone.
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And when you have one, like your phone with it,
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and then it's like nighttime and you're looking at it,
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like an iPad that doesn't have True Tone,
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it just looks so wrong to me.
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What are your thoughts on it?
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What do you use?
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I don't even know if you use an iPad.
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- Well, it's interesting.
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I read your review of them and I think,
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I don't wanna misquote you or anything,
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but basically you said,
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if you had to pick an iPad and just from scratch,
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the new mini would be your iPad, right?
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- You've got an iPad Pro that you're using
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and so this won't necessarily replace that,
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but just picking from starting from Go,
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you'd start with the mini.
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I've got a bunch of test devices.
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I've got an old, I think I've got the first iPad
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that had retina, which I think was the iPad 3.
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That's ancient at this point,
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but it's still useful for some testing.
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And I've got an iPad mini that I use basically at random.
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During the baseball season, I use it to watch baseball games
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if I'm out on the deck or something.
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But so day to day, my iPad sits,
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I'm looking at it in a cabinet where it's behind a door
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'cause I don't use it.
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So I read this review and I said,
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"Okay, that sounds really nice."
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And I also like the mini size that's been the iPad
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that I got the most use out of,
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but I don't have personally any need to purchase it
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because I just don't use the device frequently enough
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that I should upgrade what I already have.
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- Yeah, I'm only buy an iPad once every couple of years
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person because I just don't use it enough.
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And what I do use it for is so,
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I don't need like the latest chip.
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- The top of the line, right, exactly.
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And personally, me personally,
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without going on long digression about my eyesight,
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The other problem I have with the Mini is whether it's big enough.
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And trying to make a very long story short, for like two years
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I needed reading glasses.
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And it's very strange, because usually once you need glasses--
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You're done.
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Your eyes don't get better.
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But my right eye has actually gotten worse.
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And because it's gotten worse at distance,
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it's actually gotten better up close.
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And so I've got like this-- I forget what they call it-- but it's a strategy.
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Even if you have good eyes, if you have contact lenses,
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when you get older and you need reading glasses,
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some people will get a contact lens in the one eye
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that is for distance and the other eye for up close.
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And you're, you know, at first it's weird, they say,
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and then your brain sort of works it out.
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And all of a sudden, you know, it just works.
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I've sort of stumbled my way into that strategy
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where my left eye is, you know,
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sees 20/20 for distance and my right eye does not,
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but it can see up close without reading glasses now.
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So like if I had reviewed this iPad Mini a year ago,
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the same device, I really would have--
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- It would have been too small.
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- --needed reading glasses to use.
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It would have been too small
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and I would have needed reading glasses.
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But I sort of needed the reading glasses
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even with the bigger iPad.
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But now in 2019, my eyes have changed
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and now I can read the Mini again without reading glasses.
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I really, I used the heck out of it all week.
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That's what I try to always do when I do these reviews.
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But will that change?
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The older I get, the more likely,
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it's almost certain I'm gonna need reading glasses again.
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And having a bigger iPad where,
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one of the interesting things about
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what they've always done with the Mini
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is it's pixel for pixel the same as a bigger iPhone or iPad.
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They just shrink the pixels
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and there's more of them per inch.
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It's the same interface, but everything is smaller.
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And so as a mid-forties person rocketing towards needing reading glasses permanently, the bigger iPad size is more readable to me.
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So that's just a personal thing.
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But if like five years ago when my eyes were a lot younger and I didn't need reading glasses, the mini would be my iPad for sure.
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But now let me ask you, do you read much on the phone?
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I read a lot on the phone.
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Because the phone's smaller, right?
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I mean, there's everything on there is smaller.
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So how is that better than,
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how is the mini potentially too small and the phone isn't?
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- Just because it's,
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when I switched back to the bigger, my 11 inch iPad Pro,
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it's just, my eyes just feel more relaxed.
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- I see, it's just the comparison between the two iPads.
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- Right, right.
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I will say this, people have been saying for years,
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is part of the reason the lack of,
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I mean, I think it was three and a half years
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between iPad mini updates,
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and they've never really quite been on like a,
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you know, it's obviously the odd iPad out.
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- Right, they're not concerned with making it
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the top of the line iPad.
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- Right, and they're not concerned
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with updating it every year, et cetera.
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But, you know, and so people wonder,
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is the iPad, you know, once it goes two, three years
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without an update, people who are iPad mini fans
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start to worry reasonably so that maybe, you know,
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this is it, they're not gonna update it again.
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Um, and part of the thinking behind that is, Hey, phones have gotten so big, you
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know, has the, do people who like an iPad mini type thing is, is something like an
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iPhone tennis max, the, the reason that they don't need doesn't yeah.
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And I would, I find the iPad to be such a different interface and experience.
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And it's, even though the mini is obviously the closest iPad to a big
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phone size, it's so much bigger.
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Right. There's no possible way that you could make a phone that big. You could not call an eight inch diagonal screen a phone
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It wouldn't fit in any pants, I don't even think it would fit in Craig Hockenberry's pants
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Now it's just wondering I bet Samsung has a phone that's that big that they call a phone
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I'm not saying you're wrong. I think they're wrong, but I think that someone out there is calling a device that big a phone
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it is just more like, like I said in my review, it puts the pad on an iPad. It just feels like a
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pad in a way that even a big phone doesn't. I think it's a really delightful size. I really
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like it. I know it's not their most popular iPad because if it were, they'd update it more
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frequently. But it's obviously popular enough because they're keeping it around for at least
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another generation though. Yeah. It sort of makes me wish that they made two minis. If they made
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this one, that could start at a $399 price. And if they also made an iPad Pro mini that had all of
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the new stuff in the Pro, the edge to edge display, the pencil to support the better speakers. I mean,
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I don't know if that might actually be a problem with the size, that speakers actually take up a
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- There's a significant amount of space.
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- Physical space.
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- In theory though, that would be great.
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- Well, I mean, this is the same,
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every year I feel the same way about the phone.
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I want a top of the line phone that is smaller
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than what they're putting out there.
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And they do not want to make that apparently.
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Well, I guess not.
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I don't know.
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That would have been another announcement this week.
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- That's right.
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- The iPhone.
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- It might've just happened.
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Should we check?
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- Well, I know.
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- While we're recording.
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and make sure the iPhone SE 2 did not come out.
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Well, so you mentioned the pencil.
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I think it's worth touching on that briefly because as I said, this is a weird week.
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And I think it's also really weird that this new, two new iPads use an old Apple pencil.
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And you explained why and your explanation of why makes sense.
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But I think it's very strange to walk into an Apple store, buy a brand new iPad.
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I guess to the shelves now stock both pencils
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They must right because the old pencil is still a current pencil
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yeah, and there's and it's
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It is it's unfortunate. I would say it is an unf and I certainly don't think they planned it this way
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I think it's just sort of the way things worked out
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you know, it there's just no way to get pencil to support on this older device without doing
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Adding X Y & Z that all would have made it significantly more expensive right defeats the whole purpose
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Right like a big part of this is that the new mini starts at $400 and the new iPad air starts at
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Which is a lot less money than the the 11 inch iPad pro just starts at $800
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Um, it's, you know, it's, it's not a stretch to say the, you know, the
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mini is literally half the price and the iPad air is almost only half the price.
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I think, I think, I think unfortunate is definitely the right word, but, uh, I,
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so I, I understand why it is this way, but at the same time, it's very strange
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for Apple to be saying, here is a brand new device and use it not with the brand
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new pencil that came out, what last fall, I think, uh, and if you have that pencil
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that pencil for some other reason it won't it doesn't even work with it right no definitely
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it does not work not only not only can it not charge it it does not even physically right on
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the device right old well because you can't pair it right because it doesn't mean the only way
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the only way to pair it is with the uh the inductive charging port on the new ipad pros
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and the only way to pair the old pencil is through lightning like to pair it with a new ipad which is
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really clever. Like I because I have an old pencil that I've had
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for a long time with the lightning port and just plugged
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it into the new iPad Mini. And as soon as I plugged it in, it
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was like, Okay, now now I'm paired with this iPad. But you
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can't do that with the new iPads because iPad pros because they
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don't like lightning. Yeah. So that Yeah, there's there's
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that's the other question people have is, hey, how come if they
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moved to USB C, why didn't these move to USB C? And I think one
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of the answers is the pencil.
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Right, right. Yeah, absolutely. If it's needed to pair it and to sync up with that, yeah,
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absolutely. And to charge it. Well, so it's very strange that-
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If I mentioned it in my review, I probably should have. One of the nice little things I just should
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add is the new iPad Mini comes with a 12-watt charger. And I believe, I don't remember what the
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fourth generation Mini came with, but I think the fourth generation still came with the little
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tiny phone size 5 watt charger. So at least they're giving you a nice charger with it now.
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John "Slick" Baum: It came with the very smallest one? It didn't come with a slightly bigger 10
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watt one? John "Slick" Baum; No, last I remember, I don't know if the fourth generation did,
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but at least the third generation mini still came with the phone charger, the little 5 watt.
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John "Slick" Baum; The little cube looking one. John "Slick" Baum; One that looks like a dice.
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John "Slick" Baum; Yeah, right. Yeah. Huh, interesting. John "Slick" Baum; Can't believe
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I just said a dice. John "Slick" Baum; What kind of gambler are you, John?
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Oh, here's my thinking. I would like to imagine. It's all about cost cutting.
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To make these minis and airs.
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Right. So they didn't have to do a new industrial design. It's the same physical footprint as the
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old iPad mini, and the iPad Air looks like an older Air. It doesn't have the edge-to-edge
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display with the round corners, which is nicer, but also more expensive. It doesn't have that
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inductive charging port for the new pencil, which again is more expensive.
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Somebody told me after I published my first look at it that it's definitely
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that that little charging thing is definitely fairly expensive.
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Like it wasn't going to make the cut on a $400 device.
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It doesn't have Face ID because Face ID is more expensive than Touch ID sensors.
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So you know this that the other thing to get these prices down now you're stuck
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with the old pencil. I will say, and one of my favorite things about reviewing Apple products,
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my favorite things to do is use the new thing for a while, like a week or two, and then go back to
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the old thing. Like go back to my, you know, if I get a brand new iPhone, use the new review unit
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for a week or two weeks or something like that. And then go back to my personal one from a year
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ago and see what I noticed. Is there anything slower, you know, and in the old, in the original
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days like five, six, seven, eight years ago, it would always be like, I'd go back to my
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year old iPhone and typing would always feel so slow.
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Everything was just lower.
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Yeah, it just felt, it was like, wow, this is unbelievable.
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You notice that like you get used to the speed of the faster speed of a new thing and it
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just becomes normal.
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And then the way to really tell is to go back to the old thing.
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So after having the new Apple Pencil with my iPad Pro since, what, October?
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Going back to the old Pencil, it was really, eh.
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It really, it feels a little, it almost feels like greasy in your hand.
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Right, you mentioned that, and it's also round, so it just rolls everywhere.
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Right, and it's weighted.
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There's some kind of way that it's weighted so it supposedly stops rolling, and it's a
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clever design and but everything that everybody ever complained about the
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pencil it's all magnified once you're used to the newer right right and right
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that the matte finish is definitely better so much better it just feels
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better in every way the flat side is so much better right to stop rolling the
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charging is obviously so much better it's certainly more graceful yeah I mean
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it you know I've never been a hater of the hey stick it in the iPad it looks
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silly sticking out but for 15 seconds right it literally needs 15 seconds to charge so
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yeah you don't need to do it for all um likewise i'm not a hater of the the the magic mouse with
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the lightning port on the belly right that you can't use while doing it because you don't have
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to charge it for that long right i get it that it's it's not great but it would be such it would
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The design doesn't have room for a lightning port on the outside.
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But boy, that old pencil seems...
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And the other thing is, man, those caps are so fiddly.
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So my strategy with the old pencil was always, I don't even know where the actual cap cap is.
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I think I lost it on a train at one point.
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And yeah, that's what yeah now that I think about it
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I was on an Amtrak train and it fell between the seats and I I like took out my the iPhone flashlight
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And look down there and it was a nightmare. I didn't see it
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If I saw it, I might have tried to fish it fish it out, but I looked down there and it was so gross
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I was like I was like that cap is gone
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but what I usually did is I kept the the
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Female to female lightning thing on it as the cap so that I could charge it
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Just by plugging it into like a lightning cable
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Oh, I see and I just just I used that as a cap and but it going back to that like just having a cap
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It's so fiddly it just feels like you're constantly at risk of losing this little tiny delicate thing, right?
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And that's why I say that the pencil - is so obviously superior
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That it's strange to me for them to ship a new product that only uses the pencil one
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And again, we discussed why but it once once you've made these advances like touch ID is not so much worse than face ID
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But the pencil one seems so much worse than the pencil -
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Yeah, it really does and and so it is it is like the unfortunate aspect
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I get why they've done this and it's great that they have pencil support at all because the iPad mini
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didn't have pencil support until now, but
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But it is an unfortunate situation.
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I don't know how else to say it.
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I think it would be interesting.
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What I think is interesting is to imagine the alternate universe where Apple had decided
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it was worthwhile to do the equivalent of a… for the iPad, do what they did with the
01:35:14
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the iPhone XR, which is, okay, we're gonna make some sacrifices for cost to hit a significantly
01:35:22
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lower price point, but let's move these iPads to the new world, right?
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Because the new iPad Pros are clearly the equivalent of the iPhone X for iPad.
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But they only did that in the second year.
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So that's almost what the next...
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Well, I guess these aren't updated every year, so that sort of flies in the face of that.
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that's almost what the next iPad update should be. Yeah, maybe they will. Maybe next year,
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there will be the equivalent of a, you know, the mid range iPad Air and iPad Mini will be updated.
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But I don't really have faith that they're going to do a mini update in one year. Like after going
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three and a half years, I feel like we're looking at like two or three years down the road. Right.
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Now, I think I think that's probably right. But it's interesting to see what happens there. Yeah,
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But I just think it would be so…
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And I almost feel like the flip side too might have proved popular.
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Where let's say the iPhone XR didn't exist and they went with an iPhone 9 that looked
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like it still had touch ID.
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Everything that these iPads have that still had a rectangular screen without the round
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corners, still had touch ID, and maybe hit an even lower price point, but had the A12
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processor and the new camera and stuff like that.
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I've written about it and I think it's underappreciated that I still feel like there's an awful lot
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of normal people out there who are not quite rational, but it's just a natural resistance
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to not having a home button and touch ID.
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To the newer phones, right? They're just sticking with whatever they whatever the style is they have yeah, right?
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I really do feel that and because that's how people that's how regular people think they don't think oh, this is cool
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I can't wait to relearn how I use my phone, right?
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right they think oh my god, how about how would I use my phone without without a home button and
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They think you know and it's a natural suspicion to think that I don't know this face
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I'd you can't possibly work as well as touch ID. I love touch ID, you know
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So right adding adding touch ID didn't really change anything
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You could still use your phone exactly the same way you used to right
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And then if you figured out touch ID you realized oh, this is much better, but yeah switching to face
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ID is a big difference yeah, and it's it's the amazing aspect of
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To me it was just brilliant of making the home button the touch ID sensor instead of writing on the back like a lot of
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Android phones do
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Because it totally you didn't have to buy into it at all like it could have been
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a terrible experience. It could be like touch ID was just awful. And you'd be fine because
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it still worked exactly like your phone, iPhone did before. Right, exactly. You just put your
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passcode in and just click the button to make it make go.
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All right, I'm broadcasting. Sorry, I'm recording from a MacBook and I can either have my microphone
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or power. So we're on like a 90 minute clock right now just FYI. All right, let's keep
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moving in. So while we're, we can, what else is on the agenda here? We got the new iMacs. I don't
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really have much to say about it. I was gonna say there's, you have this note and it makes perfect
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sense. They announced these, there's some speed bumps. Was there anything to them that is
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extraordinary the way, you know, the iPads have been really updated? These are just incremental
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updates to the iMac, right? It's a true speed bump in the traditional sense of the word where
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the physical form factor is exactly the same, the displays are unchanged, but there's no reason to
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update those displays. They're wonderful displays. 4K on the 21 inch and 5K on the bigger one.
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Twenty-seven, yeah.
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It's very hard to find PCs with 5K monitors, especially all in one design.
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And the color is wonderful on them.
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Everything's great about them.
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You know, so they just, you know, they were just overdue.
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I think they were up at like 600 days since the last update, which is,
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that's my only complaint would be, I don't think it's unreasonable for Apple to
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update things like the iMac once a year.
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Do you think it should be, does that sound frequent enough or people, people think
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that it should be more frequent or less frequent?
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I think once a year is about right.
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I think that they should update all of the Macs once a year.
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As as so so this this is, you know, worth touching on.
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Last fall, when they finally updated the mini and the air, it
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had been for the mini, it had been literally years since an
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update in the air had people thought the air was dead.
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And and now suddenly, it's actually probably the best
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laptop for the most number of people.
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but I don't need that type of update every year.
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This type of speed bump where you say,
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hey, we're gonna charge the same price,
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but you're gonna get more functionality out of it
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than you would have from the version last year.
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That's great.
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And doesn't take, I don't wanna dictate Apple's time,
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but takes a whole lot less time than a brand new design does.
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- And it seems like at least for a while,
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up until last year,
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they had sort of gotten away from
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doing those updates frequently.
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So, you know, this type of update I actually really like to see because they should do
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this every year.
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And the Mini that was updated last October, this October, hey, throw a slightly faster
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chip in there and charge me the same price.
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The Mini is now SSD only, right?
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The Mac Mini?
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So this is, I think the, is this the last spinning hard drive they're shipping?
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Pro is SSD. The Mac Pro is ancient.
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Well, forget the Mac Pro. We're not even counting that.
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The iMac Pro is SSD only. These new iMacs are the last spinning disks. And hopefully
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the last—this is the last generation where they will be. Because that's the big knock
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That's got to be—I mean, the only reason for that is price.
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The only reason is price. And, you know, it certainly is easier, you know, they didn't
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re-architect them. They're not like a new system architecture. The iMac Pro truly is,
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it's not just a name. It's not like they just made it dark aluminum and put the pro name on it.
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It is truly an entirely different system architecture. It has an entirely different
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set of chips. It uses Intel Xeon chips. It has an entirely different cooling system,
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which is amazing. I know Stephen Hackett in particular had replaced a very nice iN iMac,
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like the previous generation iMac, with an iMac Pro just because of fan noise. Because he does
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a lot of video and I guess probably podcast audio stuff. Stuff made his fan run on the iMac, and on
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the iMac Pro it doesn't. I don't own an iMac Pro, but I've seen Apple demo it and do really, really
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stressful stuff and then you get behind it and you don't hear anything. It's truly an amazing thing.
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These iMacs don't have that. And spinning disks, I mean, they suck. I mean, they're terrible. They're
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unreliable. They're slow. But again, they're also cheap. And anybody who says these, I've seen it,
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people argue, hey, these new iMacs should be SSD only. But if you're going to argue that,
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that you also are implicitly arguing that the starting price
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should be significantly higher.
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Like you can't have both.
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You can't, you can say your gut feeling is that for,
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hey, for 1300 bucks, you should be able to get an SSD,
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but you know, you're spending Tim Cook's money.
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- Well, I'm looking at them right now.
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They also all start with one terabyte drives.
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So I mean, you could definitely put a smaller SSD in there.
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The SSD cost goes up with the storage space, obviously.
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So I don't know that everyone who's buying an iMac
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needs a terabyte drive.
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You could potentially put a 512 SSD
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or even a 240, whatever, 240, 480 in there
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and have these prices.
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The other thing to note is that SSD prices
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in the past like six to 12 months have crashed.
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Flash memory prices have crashed.
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So maybe this is an example, like you said,
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this is probably, hopefully the last ones
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that have a spinning hard drive.
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And it's potentially something where
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when they were looking to make these,
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they said, all right, we can do this
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and then re-engineer the back,
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the internals of it to better support an SSD
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now that they're cheaper.
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- Yeah, I don't think that the iPad Pro
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is going to trickle down.
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Like I don't think they're ever gonna sell consumer iMacs
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with Xeon chip architecture.
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But obviously a lot of the stuff that the iMac Pro has
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should be in the iMac eventually.
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You know, and the other big thing is the T2
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probably will be like the T3 or T4
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by the time the iMacs get it.
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But to have like that little iOS--
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- Secondary chip in there.
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- Secondary chipped and running all of the security
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related features, maybe by the time the iMacs
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get this next update, maybe there'll be face ID on the Mac.
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- Oh yeah, could be.
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- That would be cool.
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And now obviously that would go through the T2 subsystem.
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But who knows, maybe by the time the iMacs get a major thing, it won't really be a T2
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subsystem, it'll just be an entirely iOS or ARM-based computer.
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Like maybe the main processor will be Apple's ARM thing from the much-rumored,
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you know, Apple doing its own chips for the Mac.
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But the one thing I'm 99.9% sure is that Apple has never shipped an iOS computer
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that that touches a spinning hard disk. So like, why doesn't the new iMac have a T2? I'm sure
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there's other reasons hard to write but it's there's iOS doesn't have any support for spinning
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hard drives and the T2 needs some kind of boot partition to boot up and need storage. So the iMac
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Pro gets it because the iMac Pro is SSD only so we can have a T2 chip but our poor new iMac still
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have to even if you get one that's SSD only still, you know,
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has an architecture that supports spinning hard disks.
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Do you ever think about spinning hard disks? They're kind of
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crazy when you think about it.
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Do you remember the original iPod had a spinning hard disk?
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Yes, absolutely. For years, right?
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I mean, a desktop computer having it. Okay, it sits there.
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And yeah, it spins, but it's on its own. The iPod you would walk
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with I ran with it,
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Right. You run, you go work out at the gym, and you have a crazy spinning hard disk playing music all the time.
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I mean, I always think of it, you're old enough, I'm, you're not really old enough, I'm just barely old enough, but you know, I recognize a record player when I see it.
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And I always sort of think of a spinning hard disk as a obviously shrunk down record player.
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And yeah, so to think that there's one of those inside of an iPod is insane.
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And that the quote-unquote slow ones spin at 5,400 rotations per minute.
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Like they're spinning at these crazy fast speeds reading ones and zeros.
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With a tiny little needle.
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Right. It's insane when you think about it. But I would have to think,
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I really hope that these would be the last, by the time the IMAX get updated again,
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and let's face it, probably 600 days. Maybe not. Although maybe. Maybe the thing is,
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is that if Apple does a switch to ARM on the Mac,
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maybe everything will get an update faster.
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- Every year or so, yeah.
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That's one of my big hopes with the switch to ARM.
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I think we'll get better battery life.
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I have faith that their performance is gonna be excellent.
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I mean, our phones already benchmark faster than MacBooks.
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- But that it's, you know,
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maybe it really is Intel's problems
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hitting their roadmaps on a predictable schedule
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that's keeping Apple from updating these things.
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I mean, I was told off the record, but point blank,
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that the reason the MacBook Air took so long
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to get to this new thing was Intel.
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For whatever reason, they didn't really have a chip
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that Apple saw as suitable for this new Air design.
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And that's why there is no CPU upgrade.
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- On the Air itself?
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- Right, there's no build to order
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to get a faster chip or something.
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Intel has one chip that Apple deems usable for the air,
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and it took them a long time to get it out.
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- I mean, I can see something there,
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but at the same time, something like the Mini,
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where they were selling the same computer for four years
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with the same chip, there were faster chips in the interim.
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They might not have been that much better,
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but they were a little faster
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and a little more energy efficient.
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And it's not that hard to just slot in a new chip
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and sell that as an upgrade
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instead of charging the same price for four years
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for a now four year old chip.
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- Well, that's the other thing is when they,
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I get the strategy, I totally get it,
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but Apple considers these prices as like part of the brand
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of the device, you know, that iMac is a 1299 starting point.
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I mean, the Mac Pro is the most ridiculous one, right?
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I mean, the Mac Pro is 10 years old at this point,
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practically, and it's still at the same price
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because they don't wanna lower the price
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'cause when they do come out with new Mac Pros,
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want those same prices higher price. Right. They don't want to say all of a sudden now the Mac Pro,
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here's the new Mac Pro. It's amazing, but it's double the price because they were steadily
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lowering the price over the years based on the reduction in components. I mean,
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who knows what the profit margin is? Like if you're, if you had to buy a Mac Pro now,
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if you're putting about 10% of the price value, right? Like if you depend on a Mac Pro
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and you accidentally run it through the washing machine.
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And then putting it in a giant bag of rice doesn't bring it back to life and you need to replace it.
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And so you're like, I know this is a bad time to buy one, but I need it. You're probably giving
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Apple insane margins on a Mac Pro today. I mean, it's got to be crazy because it's.
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I've heard that they don't sell a lot of them, but that is actually the majority of the company's
01:49:58
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profit is just Mac Pros. They only sell a few but it's a $3,000 plus machine and
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they make $3,000 on each one. I'm sure that the aluminum is probably the most
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expensive part. It's just it's just like really just the case is the most
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expensive thing. It's crazy. But hopefully that would be the point. I mean and you
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know there like the iPhone is certainly I mean there's a the iPhone makes all
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money. So of course, the iPhone is the one that's on the most rigorous schedule. But their chip team
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year in, year out does incredibly impressive work. They've never had a bad year for the chips. There's
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never been a year where this year's a... - Whatever is not that much better.
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- Right. It's always, even when the phones themselves are like, "Ah, this one's really
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just an S year," or whatever you want to say, the chips always show a nice improvement,
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especially in recent years on the GPU front. So hopefully they could bring that to the Mac.
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Well, and I also think there's a profit component there where obviously they're paying Intel for
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these chips, and then they resell them. But if you're making the chips yourself,
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it makes a lot more sense to say every year, "Hey, we've got a new chip, let's upgrade these Macs."
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And there'll be a speed bump that we can charge for because we're making all the profit on that.
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So yeah, I certainly have a similar hope if we if we switch to to
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Their ARM processors that will see more Mac updates
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yeah, and the other thing too and I think it's sort of a foreshadowing is that the the high-end iPads for years have had like
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An X behind their name, you know, there's like the a 10x and whatever
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But the a 12 X this year is so much more powerful and because it has it's more cores
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It's not just slightly faster than the regular A12.
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I just ran the benchmarks when I was benchmarking these iPads.
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The multi-core stuff is insane.
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I have total faith that that chip team, Johnny Cerucci's team, can walk and chew gum and
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can design new chips every year for the incredibly power-conscious phone while at the same time
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making incredibly fast ones that don't have to be so power conscious for a Mac laptop.
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I mean, I would just take the A12X in a laptop.
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Throw it in a laptop.
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I hear you typing. I hear your little MacBook clicking. I don't want to speculate too much
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about next week's event. I mean, it'll be what it'll be, but it certainly sounds like there's
01:54:23
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no hardware. And if there is hardware, it'd be shocking. At this point, yeah. Right. Because
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what would it be? What's left? Here's my—the one thing I want to say is everybody is widely
01:54:33
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acknowledged I mean there's a bunch of leaks because the news these people are
01:54:38
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all it's not Apple that's leaking it's their partners but they're gonna do a
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news subscription thing and so you you'll pay one fee maybe it's ten bucks
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and you if you subscribe to Apple news you will get subscription content from a
01:54:52
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whole bunch of publishers who currently have you know either everything's behind
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a paywall or they have some paywall content you'll get it all supposedly the
01:55:02
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New York Times and Washington Post are not in yet, but the Wall Street Journal is, which
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is interesting. I forget how many subscriptions I have. I pay for the New York Times. I pay
01:55:13
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for the Wall Street Journal. I pay for a couple of smaller things. But I also am a subscriber
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to the Washington Post as well. I forget what I pay. Do you subscribe to the Wall Street
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I don't. The Post I know, I want to say, is either $2.99 or $3.99 a month because I have
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that. And then I have Boston Globe, which I don't remember what it is, but the journal,
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the journal is the one that I run into. There are often, not often, but there are often enough that
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I notice it. Articles that I think, oh, I want to check that out. And then I hit their paywall.
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And then I either give up on it, or I think there's a workaround where you can search Twitter
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and get a link that works at least some of the time. But I, that's, that's the paywall that I
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hit the most that I at least remember so that that's the most interesting one of
01:55:59
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the possible candidates that are supposedly in this service if if it's 10
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bucks a month it wouldn't take much for it to be worth easily worth 10 bucks a
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month right if you you know three four right so this how much is the journal on
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its own looks here like I don't know if this is for paper though like is this
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I'm looking at their website says it's $15 a month and that's with the 60% off that's only good for the next 43
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So, I don't know I don't know though if they're if they're trying to give me a paper subscription now
01:56:36
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I don't you know the way these newspapers still want you to you know, try to trick you into getting this
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Get a physical copy that goes right into your recycling bin
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It's still my favorite. It's still my favorite story of all one of my all-time favorite. I'm old stories
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I know I've told you this. I know I've told it on the podcast, but it must have been three or four
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years ago. It must have been. But I was at Starbucks and I was waiting for a beverage to
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be prepared. And there were two young women, college-aged, maybe 21, 22 years old, talking.
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I believe it had the Sunday paper, but they had the Philadelphia Inquirer. And the one girl was
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explaining to the other girl that they, you know, she really
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was genuine, genuinely unfamiliar with the concept of a
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newspaper. And, and she was saying, and they print this,
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they do this every day. And she said, Yes, every single day. And
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the other girl said, Why would they do that? I don't think you
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have told me. I almost burst out laughing. Because on the one
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hand, I do kind of feel like you, you're she's a bit of an
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an idiot, right? I mean, there's how would you I mean, like you
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said, record players, like, right, you should at least be
01:57:50
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aware of this. She's she's also not wrong. Right? That's the
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thing is it when you think about what is in a printed newspaper
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every single day, 365 days a year, or 100, you know, some of
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these papers have been around, you know, 100, 150 years. It's
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insane. It is absolutely insane. They print out all of the news,
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whether you want to read it or not. I, you know, but anyway,
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these these publications still want you to get your dead tree
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version. So I don't know.
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Well, you do know you do know the reason why they want that,
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Because it boosts their circulation, and they boost
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their ad sales, right? That they're still they're still
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selling, you know, they still make a dangerous amount of their
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money dangerous in terms of the long term health of right
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things. Great word for it, right? They they're dangerously
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dependent on print advertising and print advertising goes by circulation. And so environment be
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damned, these publications are happy if you have a print subscription that you never use
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if you just let the newspapers pile up on your porch.
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I mean, something's got to lie in the birdcage, right?
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My grandfather, my mom's dad, he died when I was in first grade. But I have very fond
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memories of him. He was a very, very nice man, very kind. My little he was my little pop pop. He was
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also, you know, the genes are there. He was also a bit eccentric. And one of his eccentricities was
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he he didn't throw away his newspapers. He kept on God. He had like a his chair, there was pop pops
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chair that was his, you know, his like Barca lounger. And behind his chair, he I guess, you
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it wasn't like he kept them for years, but he'd had months of newspapers at a time. And he kept
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them in mint condition. Like when he read the newspaper, he very carefully refolded it. And
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when he was done with the paper of the day, you could have still sold it at the newsstand.
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And so the stack of them was very neat. I guess his thinking was if he had thought of it,
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you know, it was like his version of Google. Like, I read an article a couple of days ago.
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Let me dig through this pile of newspapers.
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The stacks were so neat. It's a very vivid memory, because you would think it would be a mess,
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but it really looked like as neatly organized as like the stack of newspapers at a newsstand
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to start a day, you know, where they're all the today's newspaper.
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Right. Well, so there's two, it's not at all clear what's going to happen next week.
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and i don't really like speculating on this stuff either but there's two different things that we're
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talking about this would be a news service that potentially makes sense because there is no real
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to my knowledge is there any there's no major service that says hey give us x amount of dollars
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and you'll get access to all the news you could you could want from the journal the new york times
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the post right now you really have to subscribe to the new york times you subscribe to the wall
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street journal you subscribe to the washington post you give three different payments to three
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different companies if you want all of the content. And infamously with the New York Times,
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if you want to unsubscribe, you need to call them on the telephone, talk to a friendly operator
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somewhere in Iowa or something like that. Infamously very difficult to unsubscribe from
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the New York Times to get out of that. But so that service, if that service exists,
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and let's just assume it does, that's at least interesting depending on the price and depending
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on what different papers are included in there. The other one that's I think getting more publicity
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is some sort of video movie tv service. And this is the one that I... you asked me about it before
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the show and I basically said, "Eh, I don't care." Because, well, and for a reason. One,
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Tell me how many subscription services for TV do you have right now?
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Right. I've got Netflix.
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I've got Netflix.
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I've got HBO through AT&T. So that's actually free-ish. It's paid, you know, indirectly.
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We still have a cable subscription.
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Okay, so you still have proper cable.
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So I have proper cable.
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I've switched to streaming cable, which saved me a bunch of money.
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I've got Amazon Prime, which gives me Prime Video.
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I do have that.
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this year got hulu for they had like a 12 for 12 months deal it's the crummy ad version but i wanted
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to test it out anyway so i have i have hulu and i pay for the i pay for the ad free version because
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the good version their ads are horrible they really are uh so you've got so just hulu and
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netflix are two services that are effectively the same thing yeah and that you're paying a
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a monthly subscription fee for net-- sorry, Amazon on top of that, I view that as just
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coming along for the ride with a Prime subscription.
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But already having Netflix and Hulu, what is Apple going to do differently?
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I think the only answer is, and the reason that I'm sort of annoyed by this whole thing
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is that they're going to have different content.
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And that, I mentioned that the thing that happened with music is that it doesn't matter
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what music subscription service you subscribe to.
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If you have Apple Music, you get all the music.
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If you have Spotify, you get all the music.
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You know, there's a few of them that are at least on par with one another.
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And by and large, you don't need to go to a specific service to get a specific artist.
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Tidal is sort of the exception there where they were trying to have exclusives and things
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But I think a lot of that stuff is temporarily exclusive.
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And then three months later, it shows up on Spotify and Apple Music.
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now if you wanted if you said hey I want to have access to streaming all movies
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you'd have to sign up for five or ten different services to get it yeah and
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adding yet another service doesn't do anything no it makes the problem worse
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well the rumor is that they are going to bundle it make it like a TV package you
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know where they're gonna have a bunch of cable channels and you'll get regular
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what we consider regular TV through this Apple TV subscription thing like but
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But what if you don't need that?
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What if you just want to watch Apple's original shows?
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Do you have to pay and get, as somebody who still subscribes to cable, or you who already
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Or if you have the Sony one, which looks very good.
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If you already have the Sony one, is your only option to give Apple 10 bucks a month
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or $15 a month or whatever it's going to cost to get a whole bunch of channels you already
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have some other way?
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all you really want to do is watch the original shows that Apple's making.
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I don't know.
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To me, that's the most interesting thing that they'll announce next week.
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It's not necessarily what, but just how much, how are they going to charge for this?
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And, and yeah, I think there's, there's definitely questions there that I I'll
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be interested to see answered, but I don't see any way in which this will be sort of
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what Apple Music was, or even the iTunes Music Store was to music, where this is
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the one solution you need. Right. And that's it. Right. And that's frustrating to me because
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I don't need to pay for yet another subscription. I would like to pay more money even for one
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subscription and just be done with it. And just have everything. Just give me everything.
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I don't think we're going to get that. Probably not. Last but not least, I want to talk a
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little bit about Mac software. I don't know if you know, do you know anything about the
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indie Mac software market?
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I have a passing knowledge of it. Yeah.
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There was an article that you I actually saw it. But I didn't read it either. But then
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I read it. There's a profile of longtime Apple executive Sean Pruden, who maybe
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I wasn't familiar with her before.
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Well, she co hosted the Apple design awards for years, right? Okay. Okay. That's probably
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where she's best known outside the company. It's an interesting profile. She's been at
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Apple for 30 years. But there's a part of the article that caught your attention and
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caught mine too. I don't know if I want to paraphrase or if I should just read it.
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I guess I should just read it.
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I'm trying to find it in the article, but now I don't know.
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Yeah. And she works for the App Store. But here's the quote. She says, "I don't know
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if you remember, but the way you used to buy software was in a box at a store. There was
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no way you could come up with an idea for an app and create it and put it in a shiny
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disk and sell it yourself. It just wasn't going to happen. So the app store really democratized
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software. And it has democratized software, but there's an entire still thriving business.
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almost like she's forgetting something and I can't quite put my finger on it
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there's it's like you went from retail stores selling software and then and
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then the App Store and it's was that was there something called the web in
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between there John so when when did when was rogue amoeba started I believe it's
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the same year as daring fireball 2002 2002 and you guys have never put
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software on in a box have you? We have never needed to. Early on there were a couple bundles
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that other companies made that we put Audio Hijack in briefly but it was it was basically a
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flirtation because growing up getting software in a box was something to aspire to maybe or you know
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that's how you bought software as she said. But yeah so essentially no our software has for 16,
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17 years, been sold online exclusively. You enter your credit card number, you download the software
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from our website, and you get a license key in an email and you unlock it that way.
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Again, I'm not slagging on the App Store. And certainly, it certainly made writing
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software for phones a democratized thing prior to the iPhone. The idea that one person or a two
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person team or something like that would write phone software was crazy. I mean, it was just
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You had to go through the carriers, you had to be a big business to do it. That's 100% true.
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Right. But in terms of software in general, especially for the Mac, and even for Windows,
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just for what we call PCs, that democratization was the web.
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The web did it. The web absolutely did it. And so we said 2002 for when our company started,
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I was selling software online for about four years before that with other companies.
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And we, you know, have talked to plenty of people about the mid
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nineties, maybe even mid to late nineties is when you could start
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having a web only piece of software that could make real money.
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Enough money to support a business and support actual employees with
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a real wage and stuff like that.
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And that's a decade before the app store.
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And it meant you didn't need to put anything physical in a store, physical
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And, uh, so yeah, to, to sort of skip over this and then, uh, I'm pretty
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sure Phil Schiller was on the talk show, sorry, on ATP. Yeah. And I think he made a very similar
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point that, you know, maybe as a talking point for them, obviously, that again, sort of skipped
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over the idea that, hey, there was a way to do this after retail stores and before the
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It's, I get it, I do get that they want to promote the App Store, but it's such a huge
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mission. It's just, I mean, and it's still going strong, right? I mean,
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our stuff is almost all of it is exclusively sold directly from our website.
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Right. And, you know, it's still a great way to run a business. I mean, we, you and I know a lot of
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fellow, you know, indie Mac developers, you know, and we can do an entire two hour episode of the
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show just on the App Store. But, you know, the App Store is what it is, but it's nowhere near as big,
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important for the Mac as it is for the iPhone. And most of the
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Indian developers I know, either aren't in that Mac App Store or
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if they are, they sell apps that are also available.
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Also available directly, right.
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Right. And it avoids that 30% tax, it avoids the review
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process. The sandboxing rule, certainly some of Roga Mipa's
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apps are would be difficult to sandbox difficult is putting it very kindly yes
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I'm not quite sure how audio hijack would work in a sandbox world other than
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not at all that's about right yeah but you know and it just keeps you
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independent it puts the independent you know the independent and independent
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developer that you're not you know you're just everything you know you want
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to do a software update. Here's the software update. Right. You know,
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what can I can I use this as my my chance to show briefly, of
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course, that that's exactly what I was going to segue to. So you
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asked me to be on the show literally just yesterday. I
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think you had a cancellation and I'm, I'm the fallback.
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Moltz canceled. Oh, wait a minute. No, wait. I will I refuse
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to be below molt but no it it was slightly unfortunate timing because
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we're looking to push out a very widely focused broadly focused product brand
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new product next week and so this morning I put up a teaser post on our
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blog so if people are interested to see what our news is next week they should
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check out macaudio.com and click over to our blog and they'll be able to
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sign up to get information on this when it comes out next week. So we have a product that is
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hopefully coming out next week that absolutely would not fit in the App Store and could not be
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sandboxed, but should appeal to just about anybody doing anything with audio on their Mac, even
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listening to Apple Music or Spotify. That's very clever of you. I realized when you said that
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yesterday that timing-wise, it didn't really work out for you, but doing a teaser does.
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No, I I we're not big on teasers, but I'll take the opportunity to do it once in a while. Yeah
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Well, my thanks for you joining hey, what about you doing anything on June 4th
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June 4th, there's some sort of show I think yeah, you're gonna announce it. I
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I'm there for you, buddy. That's it. It's been a long time since you've been a regular guest on the show, right?
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Maybe last year, but we we don't do it. We don't do it terribly regularly
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Oh, how often how many times have you been the announcer for the talk show live at WWDC? Oh
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I could look it up at least five maybe five or six because it goes back to the
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The days in San Francisco mezzanine in San Francisco multiple years. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you've got that voice
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You've got that announcing voice down pat and the face for it as well
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No, so I don't have any tickets to announce.
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I know people want it.
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I will try to get them out soon.
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I know that they sell out very quickly.
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But you do have everything pinned down, right?
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The talk show live will be Tuesday, June 4th at once again from the lovely California
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Theater in San Jose.
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Beautiful, beautiful theater.
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Very excited about it.
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Don't have any guests lined up yet.
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working on that and I'll work on ticketing but stay tuned I'm not quite sure how to do it I know
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it's I don't know if I don't know how to run a lottery it seems like that would be a fair way
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to do it but but we'll see but anyway stay tuned save the date and I look forward to seeing you
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there Paul well and and if your guest falls through there then it might just be you and
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me talking on stage exactly right so you know keeps keeps literally be waiting in the wings so