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224: ‘AirPower, What’s That?’ With Serenity Caldwell


00:00:00   I just got a Mojave alert from Skype asking me to use my microphone. So hopefully it actually works

00:00:05   You're doing this on Mojave. Yeah

00:00:09   You know what they say about you know, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger

00:00:14   You are very brave I

00:00:17   Do have Mojave installed but I have it installed on an external USB drive for my iMac

00:00:23   That was the smart way to go about things. Honestly, it's been it's been pretty solid it is

00:00:28   I've just run into, yeah.

00:00:30   It and iOS 12 both, I've been impressed.

00:00:33   - Yeah.

00:00:34   I think there is something to the sort of a focus

00:00:37   on bug fixed ability type stuff.

00:00:41   I mean, both, you know, Federighi said it on stage

00:00:45   at WWDC for iOS.

00:00:46   It was the first thing he mentioned about iOS 12.

00:00:48   Gurman had a leaked sort of engineering staff meeting

00:00:55   from months ago where this was brought up.

00:00:58   And I think it kind of shows in these betas,

00:01:00   especially the fact that both of them are,

00:01:04   both Mac and iOS are both sort of universally held up

00:01:08   as far as I can tell,

00:01:09   as some of the most stable WWDC betas in memory.

00:01:14   - Yeah, I mean, I can definitely attest to that.

00:01:17   Considering, I don't know,

00:01:18   how long have you been running betas on your phone?

00:01:20   'Cause I feel like I've been doing it

00:01:21   at least since 2012, 2011.

00:01:26   And usually it's like the first month just sucks.

00:01:30   - Yeah. - Like you just say goodbye

00:01:32   to that phone really working in the interest

00:01:35   of playing around or in our case,

00:01:38   writing about new features.

00:01:40   - Well, and the WWDC build ones are bad,

00:01:42   notoriously bad for two reasons.

00:01:45   One, they're the first ones that come outside Apple.

00:01:48   And second, there's a hard and fast date.

00:01:50   They have to, at some point on Sunday,

00:01:55   the day before the keynote that they've got to say,

00:01:58   this is the GM build, you know,

00:02:00   you know, we know about X, Y, and Z,

00:02:03   but hey, these things are, you know,

00:02:06   Craig or Phil or somebody is going to stand on stage

00:02:10   and say, this is gonna be available after the keynote.

00:02:12   And so it's going to be available after the keynote.

00:02:14   So it's understandable.

00:02:16   - Yeah, we kind of have to log it.

00:02:17   Did you read the watchOS 5 release notes?

00:02:20   'Cause those are excellent.

00:02:22   - No, I did not.

00:02:23   Tell me about that.

00:02:24   The developer release notes, which I don't think are behind the firewall, so hopefully

00:02:29   I'm not breaking NDA to talk about it.

00:02:30   Well, there's no NDA anymore.

00:02:31   No.

00:02:32   Yeah, that's true.

00:02:33   That's true.

00:02:34   No screenshots NDA.

00:02:35   Right.

00:02:36   But yeah, but the developer release notes are essentially like, "This doesn't work.

00:02:40   This doesn't work.

00:02:41   Walkie-talkie's not in this build yet.

00:02:43   Don't try sending Apple Pay to your friends via messages on your Apple Watch, because

00:02:48   it's not going to work.

00:02:50   If you try this specific combination of things

00:02:53   on your Apple Watch, you'll probably kernel panic it.

00:02:56   It was just like a long list of like,

00:02:58   be careful about this, don't do this.

00:03:00   If you're gonna do this, do it this way.

00:03:02   I'm like, yeah, this in combination with the fact

00:03:07   that the watch is pretty much impossible to reset

00:03:10   if you brick it.

00:03:11   People wonder why the watch doesn't have a public beta,

00:03:14   and I'm like, well, this is a great reason why.

00:03:17   - The watch is still, I mean, again,

00:03:19   We can get to WWDC news soon, but the watch in general is still such a pain in the ass

00:03:24   to update at all.

00:03:25   Like it's gotten better.

00:03:28   Like the first time like the fight with the original watch, the first time there was a

00:03:32   software update, I was convinced it was bricked.

00:03:34   I was like, there is no possible way that this, this slow spinner around the outside,

00:03:40   you know, like spinning to complete a circle is supposed to take this long.

00:03:45   And I'm like, look, it's stuck, it's stuck.

00:03:47   It stuck at like seven o'clock and I like put my finger at the tick mark where it was

00:03:52   and just waited for it to move just one more tick.

00:03:54   And then finally it moved.

00:03:56   I was like, okay, it's not stuck.

00:03:57   And then it like completes the circle.

00:04:00   The screen goes black and then it starts another circle.

00:04:03   And it's like, oh.

00:04:04   And it's just the secondary circle.

00:04:06   Now I'm really screwed.

00:04:07   So it's way better than it was then, but it still takes seemingly so long.

00:04:12   just seems like there's never a good time to like update your watch unless you you know and and it's

00:04:18   like you kind of have to babysit it and it has to be on a charger and you know i tend to keep my

00:04:23   charger up in the bedroom and it's the only place i really need one on a regular basis and i'm like

00:04:28   i don't want to go up to the bedroom like there's got to be a watch charger around here somewhere

00:04:32   and no i can't find one if only apple had released that that air power charging station then you

00:04:37   You could have just charged your watch. Oh, well, I just did you see that? I just linked to that

00:04:42   No, just right before we started the show. I just I just posted it. That's like you're we're in sync

00:04:49   I just posted an item on during fireball where the heck is

00:04:52   Oh my gosh, I I just assume it just got lost in in the move to Apple Park

00:04:58   It's in a box somewhere and they're like, oh our final design proves we want to approve them, but they're they're all buried

00:05:04   I don't know something is I don't want to go deep on it. But I mean something clearly I think has gone very wrong with that product

00:05:11   yeah, well, I mean it's a it's a tricky one right because

00:05:14   Supporting supporting the iPhone is a pretty standard like cut-and-dry thing because of the standards and everything else

00:05:21   But they really kind of I feel like they bit off a couple of extra things where they're like and it's gonna work with the

00:05:28   software so that your iPhone will tell you all of the things that are charging and it's gonna charge the watch with no extra

00:05:34   "extra fiddly diddly bits, and we're gonna release

00:05:37   "a new AirPods case that's gonna work with it."

00:05:40   I'm just like, maybe you start with just saying,

00:05:44   "It's gonna charge the iPhone,

00:05:45   "and it can charge two iPhones at once."

00:05:48   And then you add the extra things,

00:05:50   'cause I think the extra things are probably getting,

00:05:52   like, my pet theory now is that AirPower

00:05:55   is gonna come out with a watch, the Series 4 watch,

00:05:59   and they're just gonna say it's Series 4 and above,

00:06:01   because trying to get it to work with a Series 3

00:06:03   has been such a pain.

00:06:04   That's just my pet. I have no inside information on this, but it's just my pet theory of

00:06:08   it's probably the watch. If I had to guess anything, it's probably the watch.

00:06:13   My fear is that they've got production units and they're like, "All right,

00:06:18   go through the testing," and set up a hundred of them and two phones catch on fire.

00:06:23   Oh my God.

00:06:25   I don't know. I don't know. It just seems... I don't know. It just... I don't know.

00:06:31   It's a weird one. It's a very it's a very weird one, especially

00:06:34   They haven't really they never released a like this will be out later, right? Because they've done that on some products before where they're like

00:06:41   We know we said this but it's going to be out a little bit later. I don't remember them doing it for air power. Uh, the worst

00:06:48   production

00:06:50   Misqueues that I can remember the single worst one I can remember is the white iphone 4 the white iphone 4

00:06:56   Yeah

00:06:56   That was my first one too didn't come out was supposed to come out or the black one came out at the end of june

00:07:01   And that was the last phone that came out at the end of June because the 4s was the first one

00:07:05   That moves you to the temple what actually moved to October. Yeah, that's right

00:07:10   But I think it was supposed to be September, you know, and it was just held up but

00:07:18   The white iPhone 4 didn't ship until I think late April

00:07:23   Possibly even early May so it was at least like nine months late might have been ten months late

00:07:29   And even though even though it was 10 months late, it wasn't like the new ones came out two months later, but we didn't know that, you know

00:07:38   Yeah

00:07:39   So that was the one year where Amy didn't get a new iPhone because she definitely wanted the white one

00:07:44   So she was waiting for it and then on her hands. Yeah by the time she came out

00:07:48   She was like I'm not buying a year-old phone. I mean that's

00:07:51   $800 it's ridiculous. She knows better. Yeah, so that was a bad one. I mean that was really bad

00:07:57   That was bad home pod had a delay but the delay was pretty well communicated I think yeah and

00:08:03   home now air pods were

00:08:06   That's right

00:08:08   You know, they did make it before the end of the year

00:08:11   I mean you could you know just barely like one one

00:08:14   Production line made it before the end of the year and then they kind of eased up it what February but that's no that's that's the

00:08:20   Nintendo playbook right like it's no different than a lot of other manufacturers

00:08:24   We're just it feels weird to us because Apple is not usually one of these companies. That's like

00:08:29   We're not gonna hit our shipping deadline

00:08:32   All right

00:08:33   like and so to see them do it just I don't know whether it instills fear or if it's just a

00:08:38   Profound head scratching like what is going on?

00:08:41   Yeah, I don't know. So I don't know I hope for Apple's sake they get it out before the September event

00:08:48   I wouldn't be surprised

00:08:49   You know how they ship the AirPower 2 update literally one week before WWDC?

00:08:55   I kind of expect like, "Okay, here's AirPower one week before the iPhone announcement."

00:09:02   I don't know.

00:09:03   Thank God. We're going to have to start a betting pool on this. How many people think it'll be

00:09:07   released before or how many people think it'll be released after and only with Watch Series 4 support?

00:09:14   they just really just go try to, you know, go full denial like airpower. What's that?

00:09:20   That was never a product. They just scrub it from the keynote.

00:09:25   Right.

00:09:25   We've always been at war with East Asia.

00:09:27   Exactly. It's totally. Oh my God. I'm drawing a blank on his name. What's his name?

00:09:32   Author of 1984.

00:09:36   Orwell.

00:09:37   Orwell. Geez, how I'm losing it here. Serenity.

00:09:39   It's only Wednesday. It's only Wednesday, John. I know it's like WWDC

00:09:44   was still recent, but he gets some sleep. I tell you what, I always forget how hard it is for me,

00:09:53   at least, to catch up after WWDC. And I think it's the right way to do it, but I'm generally off.

00:10:02   And it's a combination of things. Like Mondays, the keynote day is just crazy for me,

00:10:08   because it's just keeping up. And it's always funny to me. This has been the case ever since

00:10:11   I started going to WWDC where I always feel like one of the least informed people who follows Apple

00:10:19   all day on Wednesday. I'll be meeting someone at six o'clock and they'll be mentioning something

00:10:26   that wasn't in the keynote and it's big news. And I'm like, "What? They announced that?" And

00:10:30   they're like, "Yeah, that came out at noon." And it was like, "What? I had no idea." I feel like

00:10:36   I'm in this huge information vacuum where I'm just locked into what was in the keynote

00:10:41   and trying to get all the details on it. Then Tuesday now, in recent years, I'm all consumed

00:10:46   by my live show. And then by Wednesday, I'm trying to be social because it's like Tuesday

00:10:52   and Monday, I was totally like—Monday I'm locked into the keynote and briefings. Tuesday,

00:10:57   I'm in my panic vacuum, preparing for the show. And then Wednesday, I try to be sociable

00:11:06   And Thursday, I just try to hang out and see people

00:11:09   and bump into people and not be on the computer.

00:11:11   And then I wind up with,

00:11:13   usually I wind up most weeks with a lot of unread emails,

00:11:16   but it's nothing like WWDC week.

00:11:19   - WWDC week, I feel like is the week

00:11:21   where all of my normal computing talents just go to hell.

00:11:25   Because like you said, it's like there's so much,

00:11:27   the joy of going to WWDC is talking to people in person

00:11:32   and making those connections

00:11:33   that you might not otherwise make.

00:11:35   And especially if you have the pass, like being able--

00:11:38   like I had a dev pass for the first time this year.

00:11:41   And so I was like--

00:11:43   the few moments of free time I had, I was like, all right,

00:11:46   got to go check out these sessions.

00:11:47   Got to go talk to these developers.

00:11:48   Got to go like, you know, listen to these engineers,

00:11:51   talk about pencil support and all of these things.

00:11:54   Got to go talk with ADA winners.

00:11:55   Got to go podcast in the fancy podcasting room.

00:11:58   And then before you know it, it's Friday morning,

00:12:00   and you're like, holy crow, did I really

00:12:03   go through four days of appointments

00:12:05   that were like 7 a.m. to 11 p.m.

00:12:07   Like, you kind of blink and then you look at your computer

00:12:11   or Twitter, Twitter's the worst,

00:12:13   especially on, I feel like, on keynote day,

00:12:16   because, you know, like,

00:12:18   I know you don't really live blog it so much, but like--

00:12:21   - No, no, the opposite, really.

00:12:22   - Yeah, you just like take it in.

00:12:24   I take it in by live blogging for iMore.

00:12:27   So I'm like, I basically turn off my main feed

00:12:30   and just focus on like writing for about two hours straight,

00:12:35   and then leave Twitter alone while I'm like running around

00:12:39   and get talking to people and digging into those betas

00:12:42   so I can find out about that weird feature

00:12:44   you hear about on Monday afternoon or Monday evening.

00:12:48   And then by the time I actually touch Twitter again,

00:12:50   it's like 1500 new tweets.

00:12:54   And normally, I would just declare Twitter bankruptcy.

00:12:57   And just, you know, like I've done this before

00:12:59   I've gone on derby tournaments, right? And I come back and I'm like, I don't want to read this weekend stuff. But Monday, I feel an like an obsessive need to go through this in the hopes of like someone will have spotted something that I missed. Usually, like this year, it was really just like, alright, Steve Trotton Smith, Steve Trotton Smith, like Guillermo Rambo, Steve Trotton Smith.

00:13:22   No, but it's really helpful, at least for me on Mondays,

00:13:26   to go through that and find what other people have grabbed

00:13:30   while researching various things,

00:13:33   'cause it allows me to put together the full picture,

00:13:35   but it also means that I'm reading 1,500 tweets

00:13:38   at 11 p.m. on Monday, and then I don't get to sleep

00:13:41   until two, and then I have a thing at 6.30

00:13:43   the next morning.

00:13:44   So it's, yeah, the email bankruptcy,

00:13:48   the feeling of just your tech is completely killing you

00:13:51   slowly is a very real one.

00:13:54   I find that I really am. I know some people might think I'm exaggerating, but I truly

00:14:01   am a preposterously bad email person. I really should hire someone I trust to have full access

00:14:10   to my email. I really should have an assistant who I trust to literally have access to all

00:14:16   of my email and to go through and read it every day and at least call out anything that's

00:14:21   say, "Holy crap, this one's important." Because I'll just go days and there'll be truly important

00:14:27   emails.

00:14:29   Well, if something was really important, I feel like they would find a way to get in

00:14:38   contact with you via text. That's kind of how I've lived my life for the last nine months

00:14:42   is like if someone hasn't pinged me on Slack or on iMessage, it's probably not life-threateningly

00:14:51   important. And for all of the things, there's the VIP box. But imagine, I don't know, imagine,

00:14:57   imagine that you're searching for something else in email. And you've, you know, how you're

00:15:03   searching for something. And you know, how you get like a weird list, and it might contain things you

00:15:07   don't think. And I see something totally unrelated to what I'm looking for. But the from address is,

00:15:12   let's say, a very famous person,

00:15:17   who everybody's listening to the show knows exactly who they are and that this person

00:15:23   sent me a very complimentary and kind email and it was five months old.

00:15:29   Oh no!

00:15:30   I never saw it. That's the—that happened to me about a week ago.

00:15:36   And you don't get a second email about something like that.

00:15:41   No.

00:15:42   Like, so urgent emails, yes, somebody will figure out a way to get it. Important emails,

00:15:49   not always, but I'm very bad at it. But one reason I've gotten worse at it is because of Twitter.

00:15:54   And it's because I love how if I do want to catch up on Twitter, and for me, I never catch up on my

00:16:01   timeline, it's impossible. I've many, many years ago realized Twitter was more better for me if I

00:16:08   I just follow more people than I could ever hopefully complete.

00:16:12   But I do try to be a completionist or near completionist on mentions to @Gruber and @DaringFireball.

00:16:19   And I sort of treat them like email.

00:16:23   If you can fit a comment to me about a Daring Fireball article in a Twitter mention, and

00:16:30   you're willing to—obviously that's public, not private.

00:16:34   you're 10 times more likely for me to actually read it

00:16:37   if you do it on Twitter than if you send it as an email.

00:16:39   But part of it is that all I have to do is scroll.

00:16:43   And I'm a really good reader

00:16:46   and I don't have to open anything.

00:16:48   I just scroll and I read and there's never anything to open.

00:16:53   And I know that there are male clients

00:16:55   that are more timeline-y, you know,

00:16:58   but it's still like just the nature of email.

00:17:01   And this in hindsight sort of insane practice

00:17:06   of quoting entire messages and that the chains of emails

00:17:11   contain the previous emails,

00:17:13   it just makes it so much harder.

00:17:15   It's like you're in, you scroll the email,

00:17:17   then you go back and it just seems so much more

00:17:21   of an uphill process, you know, fighting upstream.

00:17:25   Whereas catching up on Twitter, it might take a while.

00:17:27   It might be like, wow, I am way behind,

00:17:30   but at least it feels like I'm swimming downstream.

00:17:33   - Well, you're actually, it's helpful because Twitter,

00:17:36   even with the expanded character limit,

00:17:38   Twitter is still short, right?

00:17:40   Like there are emails in my inbox right now

00:17:44   that are like seven paragraphs long.

00:17:46   And you can't, if you're given the choice

00:17:51   between reading one email that's seven paragraphs long

00:17:54   or finishing 20 tweets that are 140 to 240 characters long,

00:17:59   Like, who am I gonna improve their life

00:18:03   or be able to help people?

00:18:05   It's far more likely that I'm gonna be able

00:18:07   to do it on Twitter than read this email

00:18:10   and feel, usually emails that are that long

00:18:13   are like how-tos or questions or things like that.

00:18:16   Like, I feel for this person, but I'm also like,

00:18:19   the answer that you're looking for is basically an article.

00:18:23   Like, I can't, I wanna help you,

00:18:26   but instead of actually being able to help you in email,

00:18:28   I'm literally gonna take your question

00:18:30   and then I'm gonna write an article about it

00:18:31   'cause that's the only way I can figure out

00:18:33   how to actually do it if I have the time, right?

00:18:36   It's just-- - I will say this.

00:18:37   I owe Twitter an apology, or I should write about this

00:18:41   on "Dare Fireball," but I'll get it off my chest here

00:18:43   on the show first, is that when they first switched

00:18:45   from 140 to 280, I was against it publicly.

00:18:49   I thought this was a bad idea and that the terseness

00:18:51   of 140 was essential to what made Twitter Twitter.

00:18:57   And getting your thoughts into 140 truly is an art.

00:19:02   And like a couple of the other people who I retweeted

00:19:06   as being opposed to this were unsurprisingly

00:19:08   well-known writers, J.K. Rowling, Stephen King.

00:19:13   I mean, there you go, J.K. Rowling and Stephen King.

00:19:15   I mean, there's probably the two most successful

00:19:18   and talented writers of the last, of my lifetime.

00:19:22   And both, you know, pretty much,

00:19:26   Maybe Stephen King retweeted JK Rowling, but they were in complete agreement that it's,

00:19:30   you know, there was a certain genius to it.

00:19:32   But you know what?

00:19:33   Not everybody is as talented as JK Rowling or Stephen King.

00:19:37   And I have to admit it now living with the 280 limit now for months, it hasn't wrecked

00:19:42   Twitter and I use it.

00:19:44   For weeks, I stubbornly insisted on only tweeting up to 140 characters and like doing the math,

00:19:52   looking at my little character counter and if it went over 140, even though I could hit post,

00:19:57   I would not. And then I gave up on that, realized I was being stubbornly silly. And it's good. It

00:20:03   is a good thing. But 280 is a really interesting limit. Boy, if everybody who sent email to me

00:20:11   tried to keep it under 280 characters, I'd have a lot fewer unread emails.

00:20:17   Yeah, well, it's just, it's a good size, right? And I'm with you, honestly, I was a little bit

00:20:22   skeptical of the increase in character limit at first, but I find myself using it constantly,

00:20:29   again, for like, for the bite size things that I don't necessarily want to write in full posts,

00:20:35   but it's really, it's especially during keynote time and live blogging or commenting on somebody

00:20:40   else's post, it just, it makes it so much easier for me to be like, getting my point across rather

00:20:45   than what I used to do in the 140 character limit, which is like, really cool article,

00:20:51   fascinating read. Like, that's not really helpful. But when I actually get to talk about the article

00:20:56   and be like, wow, this portrayal of AI is a really interesting, like, look into both our political

00:21:04   mindset and where we are right now. Like that, that actually I feel like maybe that gets more

00:21:08   people to read it. I don't know. I don't know. Or the other thing I run into a lot, I don't think

00:21:14   I get close to 280 a lot, but the thing I notice a lot is I'll think I'll have like a thing. All

00:21:20   right, I'm not going to post it to during fireball, but I want to tweet this link and I'll think of

00:21:23   something to say about it. And I'm like, whew, under 140. And then there's no room for the URL.

00:21:29   And it's like, geez, what am I? And then you start butchering your stuff.

00:21:34   Sometimes that leads to a better tweet, but most times it just leads to you taking out context,

00:21:41   - Right, or spelling the word especially ESP dot,

00:21:45   and all of a sudden it looks like you're jotting shorthand.

00:21:49   All right, anyway, I'm gonna take a break here.

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00:24:37   All right, so here's the thing.

00:24:38   WWC I got to get this off my chest. There's a

00:24:40   Day you went around San Jose all day now you say you were busy you you must have been but there's how put this tweet

00:24:50   In the show note, but you really did you rode around San Jose wearing roller skates. I

00:24:55   Did I did second year in a row?

00:24:58   Do you think that works that works in San Jose in a way that it wouldn't work in San Francisco, I think Oh completely

00:25:08   - Completely.

00:25:09   For one thing, because the sidewalks and just in general,

00:25:14   the streets are a lot cleaner and flatter

00:25:18   than they are in San Francisco.

00:25:20   Like I think about where I used to,

00:25:23   I used to stay at Park 53 for many years,

00:25:27   going to WWDC. - Park 55.

00:25:28   - Five, Park 55.

00:25:30   I don't know where 53 came out.

00:25:32   Anyway, Park 55, yeah, I used to stay up there

00:25:35   And I just think about like the big, the giant, like brick plaza that you have to cross.

00:25:41   And I'm just like, no, I would die.

00:25:44   Like I can skate on bricks, but I, that, that does not seem like an enjoyable way to get

00:25:48   around that seems like torturing my feet.

00:25:51   Yeah.

00:25:52   Or whatever you'd have to do to get that safely down a pretty steep hill with roller skates.

00:25:58   Oh my God.

00:25:59   I, you know, I have, I have skated in San Francisco before on roller skates and it was

00:26:03   was really not pleasant because at the time I didn't really even know how to stop properly

00:26:07   with edges. So I was constantly like rolling down the hill and then turning backwards to

00:26:11   try and use like a backwards toe stop while I'm like halfway propped up. Anyway, needless

00:26:16   to say, not a good experience. I vastly prefer San Jose.

00:26:20   So interesting way to get around. San Jose is interesting as a pedestrian because most

00:26:28   Most of it is eminently pedestrian friendly, low traffic, flat.

00:26:35   A lot of the streets in the area are almost no traffic.

00:26:41   But like the main street, the one that the convention centers on, what does that, I don't

00:26:44   even know what the name of it is, is it Market Street?

00:26:45   I don't know.

00:26:46   Yeah, it's either Market or Sand something.

00:26:50   And that corner, like past the Marriott, it's like, you know, like between the Marriott

00:26:56   And the building where the the California theater is is one of the worst pedestrian

00:27:01   Intersections I've ever seen in my entire life

00:27:05   So weird the lights take forever. The street is incredibly wide Apple obviously got them to shut it down

00:27:13   with police cars for the keynote day, right like they I mean that's they

00:27:22   I'm sure because it's just too dangerous to handle a crowd.

00:27:25   It's just a terrible, terrible intersection.

00:27:27   And then you combine that with the fact

00:27:29   that there's high-speed trains that go through the middle.

00:27:32   Not like trolleys, not trolleys.

00:27:35   Like actual trains.

00:27:37   And I sit there, I'm not above jaywalking on a street

00:27:42   that seems jaywalking friendly.

00:27:44   That's an East Coast thing.

00:27:45   But you develop a sixth sense of this is a street where,

00:27:50   look, if there's no cars coming,

00:27:51   you can just go, it doesn't matter what the light says.

00:27:54   Not that street, right?

00:27:55   - That street has too many variables.

00:27:57   - Right, and you're taking-- - They're the trains,

00:27:58   they're the turning cars, they're ugh.

00:28:01   - You see a bunch of obvious WWDC types,

00:28:04   or alt-conf for type, you know, but somebody who's here

00:28:06   for the WWDC overall experience,

00:28:10   and they're talking to each other,

00:28:11   and they're looking at each other,

00:28:12   and they're just crossing the street,

00:28:14   and it's like, you guys have like a 10% chance

00:28:17   of getting steamed by a train.

00:28:19   (laughing)

00:28:21   - Well, especially, you know,

00:28:23   and I was guilty of this a little bit,

00:28:25   but especially walking around,

00:28:26   a lot of people looking at their phones

00:28:28   while crossing the street. - Oh yeah.

00:28:29   Yeah, same or the same thing, right.

00:28:31   You see somebody crossing that street with the phone

00:28:33   and it is like, buddy, you're taking your life in your hands.

00:28:36   - Yeah, or noise canceling headphones on.

00:28:38   I'm just like, no, no.

00:28:40   Of all the places to walk around

00:28:41   with noise canceling headphones,

00:28:42   the place with the giant train tracks

00:28:45   where the trains come very erratically

00:28:47   and don't sound very loud to begin with, no.

00:28:50   - Did you ride the scooters?

00:28:52   - I did not ride the scooters.

00:28:54   I was very, like, I kept on looking at them.

00:28:58   Like, the one day that I wasn't skating,

00:29:00   I was like, hmm, I could get to Soho so much faster

00:29:04   if I got a scooter.

00:29:06   And then it was just downloading the app.

00:29:08   - I did it a couple of times.

00:29:10   Not too many, but it, 'cause it,

00:29:13   going from my hotel to the convention center

00:29:16   wasn't far enough to really justify it.

00:29:18   And to get to the convention center,

00:29:20   I had to cross that market street

00:29:22   or whatever the hell it's called,

00:29:23   and it just takes all the fun out of it.

00:29:26   But they're pretty cool.

00:29:30   I've heard this story.

00:29:31   This is like a total thing that's happened in California

00:29:35   and maybe a couple other cities since last year.

00:29:38   Like last year, there were no scooter startups,

00:29:40   and now there are a couple of competing

00:29:44   many million dollar funded scooter startups, which sounds ridiculous. And I'd heard these stories

00:29:51   that these scooter startups, they have, you know, the two in San Jose at least were Lime,

00:29:57   L-I-M-E, like the fruit and bird. And they buy a bunch of electric scooters.

00:30:03   They put them all over the city. You get their app and sign up so that that's how they charge you.

00:30:10   And then when you want to ride one, it's sort of like in a locked state. You use their app,

00:30:15   you scan a QR code on the bike or the scooter that you want. And it identifies this is scooter,

00:30:21   you know, 1234. Okay, it's unlocked for you. You pay something like, I don't know, 35 cents a

00:30:27   minute or 35. I don't know, some reasonably low price, I forget how they charge. And you just get

00:30:33   on and go. And then when you're done, you just leave it wherever you don't have to find this is

00:30:39   this is the part that that seemed silly to me when I first heard the story but it is absolutely true

00:30:44   it's not like with the bikes you know like city bike and stuff like that which you know the u.s

00:30:49   has had for years where there are uh the kiosks around the city like philadelphia has them and and

00:30:56   you have to find one and then that's where the bike you know you put the bike in and it's like

00:31:00   a special bike holder that is from the company and then you put it in there and it locks up

00:31:04   No, with these scooters, you just abandon them wherever you want.

00:31:07   Just tell the app that the app, tell the app, I'm done, and it locks back up. And the city's

00:31:15   sidewalks are literally just riddled with random $500 electric scooters everywhere. They're

00:31:22   everywhere. And people, a lot of people are extremely inconsiderate about how they park

00:31:30   these things. Right. It is kind of... it is... they look like... it looks like the city is littered

00:31:38   with scooters. And so I really was set to... I mean, the whole idea of scooter is just a silly word.

00:31:43   And the fact that they... really, no exaggeration. They... I mean, they're just right in the middle

00:31:50   of the pedestrian sidewalk. It's just crazy. Somebody left one at my hotel that was in the

00:31:55   driveway like so like if you were driving up to get you know to like do

00:31:59   valet parking at the hotel you would have to like get out of your car and move the

00:32:04   scooter to the driveway like who thought that was a good place to leave a scooter

00:32:09   like it's crazy but I have to say it is incredibly cheap and they are extremely

00:32:16   fun to ride I mean really really fun because they go quite frankly

00:32:23   dangerously fast. They're really fun. So I didn't ride one in San Jose, but I

00:32:28   actually own an electric scooter, like an early generation electric scooter that I

00:32:34   got after a CES as a, you know, a mime or thing. And I have this video, if I, I think

00:32:43   I have it up online and I'll give it to you to put in the show notes if you really

00:32:45   want. But yeah, it's literally my now husband and I, I was like, well, we're in,

00:32:52   you know, suburban Boston area. And I'm like, there's no real way to place to ride this

00:32:57   effectively. So I'm like, we're just gonna ride it up and down our like slightly slanted street

00:33:00   and see how fast we can go, which seemed like a great idea at the time. And mostly it's just

00:33:05   uncontrollable screaming. We're just like, wow. Like, you just don't expect it to go that fast.

00:33:12   Like you're thinking, oh, it's like a, it's like, what was the original, the Razor? It's like a

00:33:18   a scooter with a little bit of extra no yes it has a deep motor in it like I

00:33:24   think mine can go up to like 20 miles an hour I'm like that's yeah that's what

00:33:28   these things and I believe it I really do it's it's almost hard it was almost

00:33:32   hard to max out the speed because it it's just hard to find that much open

00:33:36   space before you get to another street you know there's just not stoplight yeah

00:33:40   I was totally expecting something more like a razor with a bit of help you know

00:33:46   So that you don't have to kick so much but it's like no these things really go and it's funny to the two competing apps

00:33:52   Or companies, I guess lime and bird lime and bird. I forget which one is which but one of them I think lime I

00:33:59   But I could be getting it backwards one of them you sign up and they more or less are just like what's your email?

00:34:06   I

00:34:07   Forget even how they charged me. I don't think I didn't put a credit card in

00:34:11   I don't know if they're just charging through the app and paying Apple the 30%

00:34:15   You know, what's your email? Here's our terms and conditions say you agree

00:34:19   Okay

00:34:20   and then the other one clearly has lawyers who are more involved and it's like you've got to go through and check one by one and

00:34:26   It's just ridiculous. It is like I totally it's like I understand that I need to wear a helmet

00:34:32   It's like the first thing you have to check off

00:34:34   And of course nobody has a helmet right? Because if you're carrying their butts

00:34:39   Once you're carrying around a helmet you might as well just carry around your own scooter

00:34:43   You know, like the whole half the fun of it is the abandonment. I

00:34:47   Came up with I think the perfect analogy. It was bothering me for the first day or two

00:34:52   I was like this way that you just grab one when you want one. You just grab one

00:34:58   You don't look for a kiosk. You just find one and grab it

00:35:01   And and then get on it and go and then you get to where you want to go and just jump off it

00:35:07   It was like this reminds me of something and like Tuesday it hit me

00:35:13   It's Grand Theft Auto. Oh

00:35:15   Yeah

00:35:18   The whole idea in Grand Theft Auto is that whenever you need a car you just find one open the door pull whoever's in it

00:35:25   Out and take their car and then you go somewhere and when you get there, you don't even have to stop the car

00:35:32   You just kind of like do like a rolling stop roll out of the car. Let it crash into the sidewalk

00:35:38   And then just go about your mission. It's exactly like that

00:35:42   Excepting Grand Theft Auto every time you take a car you can drive it whereas with the scooters

00:35:47   It seems like one and three have like a dead battery. Oh, no

00:35:51   Well, you know the story about the battery thing too right like the roaming battery rechargers

00:35:56   Yeah, we saw one finally and it was just a guy in a minivan

00:36:00   Any the app obviously gives him a map of where the ones are he didn't have to like test him

00:36:07   But there's just a guy in a minivan

00:36:09   I presume it like the minivan wasn't labeled with bird or lime. It was just a guy

00:36:15   So I presume he worked for the company either that or he was stealing doesn't he doesn't so here's here's how this works

00:36:22   And this this blew my mind when I heard it is that the company actually does this Pokemon go style and they offer up

00:36:29   bounties like like

00:36:31   Charging bounties. I didn't know that if yeah

00:36:34   So if you if you want to earn a little bit of extra money like gig economy style

00:36:39   You can take one of the scooters plug it in and then they'll give you money based on how much you charge it and how?

00:36:45   Many you charge and if it's in a really weird location

00:36:48   They'll give you extra money to go and like retrieve it and charge it, huh? So they're like crowdsourcing the

00:36:53   The charge. Yeah, interesting

00:36:56   huh

00:36:58   All right, San Jose versus San Fran as the site for WWDC

00:37:03   I mean it was word got around last year that it was not a temporary change, you know that this was you know

00:37:08   And as Apple is want to be there was no official statement on it. I mean

00:37:13   There's actually no if you ask someone from Apple, you know, like as a member of the media on it, you know

00:37:20   And say is there going to be a WWDC?

00:37:23   2019

00:37:25   You won't get a straight answer. They won't commit to it because they just can either confirm nor deny, right?

00:37:30   They just don't you know, they don't talk about future products

00:37:33   But unsurprisingly they were back at San Jose again

00:37:37   I think they, you know, like anytime you do something a second time, it comes out a little

00:37:42   bit better. I didn't see the podcast studio this year because I had to leave a day earlier.

00:37:49   But I heard that the podcast studio, which was really nice last year, I heard that it was

00:37:54   even better this year. Oh, it was so gorgeous. Again, I will send you pictures to put in the

00:38:00   show notes. But that was my, again, first time being in the podcast studio because I didn't have

00:38:05   have a badge last year. I only had sort of the keynote pass. And they've just, they've

00:38:09   taken over what would have been a kind of semi ordinary like back room in the convention

00:38:14   center. And then top to bottom, they've made like this beautiful hand cut styrofoam that

00:38:20   has the podcast logo in it and all kinds of fancy acoustic things that I have no doubt

00:38:25   that an Apple audio engineer could talk to you about four hours about why that curve

00:38:29   was exactly like on some Euclidean geometry scale to, you know, but it's like, it's beautiful,

00:38:35   it's like a nice little lounge. And then inside, they've just basically built this cave out of

00:38:40   Styrofoam and then put a high-top table with a bunch of like really high-quality microphones

00:38:45   and Beats Studio headphones, of course, with cables.

00:38:49   Pete: On brand.

00:38:50   Heather; It wasn't, yeah, exactly. They did not, they did not risk wireless connectivity,

00:38:55   which, you know, I guess that's fair. And it was just it was a really lovely experience. We got to

00:39:02   set Renee and I sat down with the folks from Agenda and talk to them right after they won the RDA.

00:39:07   And it's just, you know, it's probably next to like the old Macworld podcast studio. I don't know

00:39:13   if you ever were in there. It's like this is one of the nicest podcast studios ever been. Yeah,

00:39:18   like the new one when they when they redid it. It was like the Macworld studio is really nice,

00:39:21   but this studio was a good deal nicer. Like, it definitely felt like we were one step away from

00:39:26   being in a radio studio. And it also makes me wonder about Apple's own podcast facilities.

00:39:33   And I'm like, I don't know if Apple does podcasts internally, but they certainly have the talent to

00:39:38   do it. Like, it would be really cool. Yeah, I did Jim Dalrymple's show last year with Matt,

00:39:45   along with Matt Drance. And it was the first time I can ever remember doing a podcast that really

00:39:51   felt like I was in a pro studio. Because I've got some good equipment here. I've told this before,

00:40:01   but I just asked Marco. He said, "Just give me a shopping list to go buy." He just sent me a list

00:40:07   of four things, and I didn't even double check anything. I just clicked, clicked, clicked,

00:40:11   buy, buy, buy, add to cart, all at Amazon. Now that's what I have. So it's good equipment.

00:40:17   it wasn't cheap. I mean, you know, I do this every week, I can I can credibly say I'm a pro.

00:40:23   This is a legitimate significant part of my job. So you know, I spent, I don't know, a couple

00:40:30   hundred dollars. So I've got equipment, but I don't I don't podcast in an area that you would

00:40:35   take a photograph of and say that looks like a professional recording area. It looks apps

00:40:42   actually completely opposite. It looks like something that I'm in the midst of moving.

00:40:51   It's not sound dampened. It's not yet. I understand.

00:40:56   But that was really cool. There's just other things that they did that I feel like they're

00:41:01   really finding their, you know, Apple is finding their, you know, this is how we can make WWDC work.

00:41:08   It's their voice. Yeah, I have mixed feelings about it though. If I worked at Apple and my

00:41:16   opinion counted on should we stay in San Jose or go back to San Francisco, I would vote instantly,

00:41:23   stay in San Jose. I think it's the right thing for WWDC. I think it's the right thing for Apple,

00:41:29   but I have mixed feelings about it as an attendee because I feel like the city of San Jose is only,

00:41:37   in terms of like the service industry is only borderline competent and possibly under the

00:41:45   acceptable line for competence. Well, I mean, yes, I agree with you here. But I have to like,

00:41:54   I'm trying to assume positive intent, right? And remember that San Jose, really, I mean,

00:41:59   the last five years is more, it's a city that shuts down at 6pm. In most places, right? It's

00:42:06   designed to be a worker's city. And then I don't know how much heads up they had about

00:42:12   WWDC the first year. But to say that they were unprepared for the glutton of people

00:42:19   coming in is calling it nicely. This year, it did feel a little bit better. I feel like

00:42:24   things were open maybe a smidge later. You know, restaurants were maybe a little bit

00:42:30   more accommodating. But overall, yeah.

00:42:34   All right, so the late night thing aside, right? I get it. It's, it's, it's not a late night city.

00:42:38   Okay. I'm talking lunch on a weekday at a reasonable time. Let's say around one o'clock,

00:42:44   one 30. Um, my wife, Amy and I went to for lunch with a friend of the show, Paul, Paul Cofas.

00:42:52   This was actually the day of my live show. Uh, we went to a cafe, uh, where we've been stressed out.

00:42:58   We were, we've been before and I know they have just, you know, the food is okay. And you know,

00:43:02   they have good coffee. And we place our order and I can't eat a lot before the show. So I just got,

00:43:12   I wanted to get just a bagel with cream cheese. Like we're out of bagels. Or no, I wanted an

00:43:18   onion bagel or everything bagel. I wanted an everything bagel with cream cheese. And they

00:43:22   said, we're out of everything bagels. And I said, all right, how about just a plain bagel? And then

00:43:26   And then they said, "We're out of bagels."

00:43:28   (laughs)

00:43:29   And I was like, "All right, you could've started with it."

00:43:31   - Why didn't you tell me that first?

00:43:33   - And then they're like, "Well, we have English muffins."

00:43:34   And I was like, "Fine, I'll take an English muffin."

00:43:36   And they're like, "Do you still want the cream cheese?"

00:43:38   I've never put cream cheese on an English muffin in my life,

00:43:40   but I thought, "Sure, that's fine."

00:43:42   Amy got like a panini.

00:43:46   I forget what Paul got, but...

00:43:49   And they gave us, I paid, we got our beverages,

00:43:54   and they have outdoor seating,

00:43:55   And it was a beautiful day.

00:43:56   So why not sit out, outdoors, right outside their door?

00:44:00   They gave us like a little placard

00:44:02   that had like a number on it, like 57, right?

00:44:06   Like a little tent, like a little tent

00:44:08   that said 57 on both sides.

00:44:10   Now I've been at places that give you

00:44:12   something like that before,

00:44:13   and every other place I've ever been

00:44:15   where you get something like that,

00:44:16   you take that placard, you put it on your table,

00:44:19   and then when your order's ready, somebody picks it up,

00:44:22   and then they look around for number 57,

00:44:24   and then they drop it, they take the food to table 57,

00:44:27   and then they take the little placard away.

00:44:29   Is that your understanding of how such a thing works?

00:44:31   - Yep, yeah, in theory that is how it's supposed to work.

00:44:34   - Yeah, at this establishment, they quote,

00:44:37   "Have no table service."

00:44:39   So like an hour after we had placed,

00:44:42   45 minutes maybe after we'd placed our order,

00:44:45   I went back in to check and they're like,

00:44:46   "Oh yeah, we've been calling you from the inside."

00:44:50   Right, it's just sitting on a counter behind the counter.

00:44:53   - What? - Yeah.

00:44:55   (laughing)

00:44:57   And I said, "Well, why did you give me this placard?"

00:45:01   And they said, "So you'd know you were order 57."

00:45:04   (laughing)

00:45:06   I'm not making this up.

00:45:08   Amy went out. - Okay.

00:45:09   - Amy went out on, I think maybe it was Monday, I forget,

00:45:12   but I wasn't with her.

00:45:13   She went out for lunch and she did get table service.

00:45:18   I mean, she placed an order and her food came

00:45:21   it came an hour and 15 minutes after she ordered. I mean, it's just really, really bizarre.

00:45:30   And again, last year I was willing to cut some slack of we weren't ready, although

00:45:33   they have, you would think that with a giant convention center, there would be other large

00:45:38   conventions throughout the year. But you would just think, "Hey, okay, this WWDC one, we're

00:45:45   going to be busy. And there seems to be no awareness of that. So like just getting a

00:45:53   bite to eat, like for lunch when you're might be in a bit of a rush. Or maybe if you're

00:45:59   not even in a rush because you have somewhere to go, you're kind of want your food quickly

00:46:04   because you haven't eaten all day and it's already close to two, you know, and now you're

00:46:08   starving. Yeah, you don't get that in San Jose.

00:46:12   No, and I'm hopeful that maybe the lunch crowd will maybe kick it up a notch, presuming that

00:46:22   there is a WWDC in 2019.

00:46:24   But it's a problem that I feel like, I just don't know.

00:46:28   I feel Apple is neurotic enough to put banners all over the city and really shut down streets

00:46:37   and things like that.

00:46:38   I'm like, I would think that they would also have somebody coordinating with the restaurant

00:46:42   industry and being like, "Hello, you stand to make thousands of dollars, maybe hundreds

00:46:48   of thousands of dollars, if you staff your restaurant correctly.

00:46:52   Maybe we'll even put it in a list of great places to go, but you need to actually stay

00:46:57   open."

00:46:58   And I'm like, "This is what I was hoping for last year, and it didn't materialize,

00:47:02   so I'm just going to make the plea every year until it actually happens."

00:47:05   there are good restaurants in San Jose. They just don't function for 5,000 attendees.

00:47:15   So last thing before we get into the actual details of the announcements from last week,

00:47:19   just the keynote itself. They staged it very differently. I don't know. I think that they

00:47:26   oriented the big room differently, but it certainly was a much wider and less deep in

00:47:34   terms of like the last row was closer to the stage than usual. And like, especially I'm not quite

00:47:44   sure because again, I was only at one before, so I'm not quite sure. Well, I don't quite remember

00:47:49   what it was like last year, but I certainly remember the setup in Presidio as Apple called

00:47:56   it, the top floor of Moscone West, which was the same every year that I could remember.

00:48:01   but it was super deep. Right. It's a deep theater. It is not that wide. It's only like three sections

00:48:09   wide and very, very deep. And so like if you were in the back of Presidio, you really couldn't see

00:48:16   the stage. You had to rely on the projectors that they would place at certain points, like halfway

00:48:23   back or two-thirds back. Whereas this was super wide and they had like entirely new

00:48:28   screen technology. Yeah. Like it was like panavision. Oh my god. Like super super high res,

00:48:37   super bright, very sharp and it went edge to edge in this. Well not quite. I mean but effectively

00:48:45   went edge to edge in this very wide room where people on the sides who maybe couldn't see the

00:48:52   the speakers on stage very well.

00:48:54   I still had a big bright screen in front of them.

00:48:57   Really incredible staging.

00:48:58   I mean, it really was impressive.

00:49:01   - It was gorgeous.

00:49:01   And I really, I appreciated how they used,

00:49:04   we should say, you know, this big giant wide screen

00:49:07   was actually three screens that were all able

00:49:09   to be controlled independently.

00:49:11   And I really appreciate how,

00:49:13   appreciated how they used it, right?

00:49:14   They didn't just blow up and stretch everybody

00:49:17   or throw the same image up on all three screens.

00:49:19   They were really using the width,

00:49:22   Which watching the keynote, I don't know if you've gone back

00:49:24   and actually watched Apple's recording of it.

00:49:26   - No, I haven't. - But it's a little weird

00:49:27   because the recording focuses mostly on the center panel

00:49:32   on the person on stage.

00:49:33   And in some ways, like the people who are watching

00:49:36   the recording from home really didn't get how cool

00:49:38   the staging and the setup was.

00:49:40   'Cause you only see it like occasionally on the side.

00:49:43   I was rewatching like the Apple Books presentation.

00:49:47   And they're like, and we call it Apple Books.

00:49:49   And I was waiting for the Apple Books to appear

00:49:51   above the speaker's head. And I was like, Where is it? And then

00:49:54   they cut to a different angle. And it was over on one of the

00:49:56   right hand panels, right? And this like, big, beautiful font.

00:49:59   And I'm like, Oh, okay, that makes sense. Well, the one on

00:50:02   the far on the right and the one on the left are the same. Right?

00:50:05   Yes. And so if you're in the middle, you could choose whether

00:50:07   you want to look to the right or look to the left. But if you

00:50:09   were on the right or left, you'd see the one right in front of

00:50:11   you, the right one and the center one, but you're right. It

00:50:14   was almost like a two screen experience. I can the only real

00:50:17   way to replicate it at home would be some kind of

00:50:19   synchronized playback where you're like watching the main thing on your TV and have like an iPad

00:50:25   next to you synchronized playing the secondary screen. And like you said, like being like

00:50:31   Panavision or something, it was this incredible aspect ratio, like super. I don't know what the

00:50:36   actual aspect ratio is. I'd love to know, but it was at least like it seemingly like three to one.

00:50:41   I mean, like get your measure app out. And I asked and so like among little things like they

00:50:47   obviously we're planning that all along. But so for like the opening video, where like a whole

00:50:51   bunch of like, well known developer types streaming, yeah, like the in there, you know,

00:50:58   parodying, parodying a David Attenborough video, there's some debate over whether the narrator

00:51:06   actually was David Attenborough or not. And I never, I never got to ask anybody. And I wasn't

00:51:12   impression that it might have been

00:51:14   But I don't know it was either Attenborough or Stephen Fry. All right was the was what I was getting off Twitter

00:51:19   Yeah, I should have asked somebody

00:51:21   if only I

00:51:23   Connections

00:51:26   And it spent time backstage with Greg Jaws react for 45 minutes

00:51:31   But it's really incredible hearing about it did you see you did you see the section where the middle screen went out

00:51:41   No, I don't remember that so during the section and I

00:51:48   don't have my notes in for me so I will not remember her name but there was a

00:51:52   blonde woman who was demoing the memo G memo G what's it called me emoji right

00:51:58   during her memo G demo the middle screen flickered it like glitched twice and

00:52:05   And then on like the third glitch, it went out.

00:52:08   It was out black.

00:52:10   I don't know if she knew that

00:52:12   because she wasn't facing the screen,

00:52:14   but it was clearly out.

00:52:17   And the only things you could see were on the sides.

00:52:20   And I was like, oh, this is gonna be exciting.

00:52:23   'Cause there was clearly a lot of keynote to go.

00:52:25   And the middle screen went out.

00:52:27   What I've heard is that the backstage technologists

00:52:34   who were there to—the red alert team that something's gone wrong to fix this, that

00:52:45   within 90 seconds of it going on the fritz—and the whole middle screen went out—they diagnosed

00:52:50   it as a bad fiber optic cable, identified exactly which cable it was, and swapped it

00:52:57   out with a replacement cable in 90 seconds. And it was back on fully operational by the

00:53:02   time her Memoji demo was over.

00:53:04   Wow. That's a that's what I call like it sometimes I know that

00:53:09   it's technically not televised, so it can't be eligible for the

00:53:12   Emmys. But like, those kinds of crews, I feel like deserve

00:53:15   special technical awards for just making all that stuff

00:53:18   happen behind the scenes and happen so quickly.

00:53:20   It's I from what I understand, it could not possibly have been

00:53:24   diagnosed and fixed in less time. Like it was really like

00:53:29   equivalent of like a you know like a indie car racing where you come in for a pit stop and it's

00:53:34   like you cannot change the tires on a car any faster than that and it really would have been

00:53:40   an awkward moment see like you didn't even notice like it just sort of i think the way it came

00:53:45   across if you didn't see the glitch part and and it was just sort of like just imagine in any sci-fi

00:53:53   movie where like the the cheesy sci-fi movie where the bad guy takes over the

00:54:00   city's television and before he before he comes on screen there's some kind of

00:54:06   like a little sizzle of pixels you know just like a quick glitch and then you

00:54:13   get the deep you know voice of Jeffrey Rush or whomever big like yeah I have

00:54:18   control now. So the other thing I heard was that the way that those that those

00:54:24   screens worked was they were made up of individual component displays that were

00:54:30   relatively small let's say roughly the size of like an iPad so it was each like

00:54:36   imagine how many iPad displays you would need to cover all of that yeah yeah so

00:54:43   And to get it all working behind the scenes there, they had 22 miles of Ethernet cable.

00:54:49   Miles?

00:54:52   Miles.

00:54:52   Of course.

00:54:54   22 miles.

00:54:55   Of course, miles.

00:54:56   22 miles of Ethernet cable.

00:54:58   And it looked like it.

00:55:00   I mean, that seems mind-boggling, but it really was worth it.

00:55:04   It was really impressive display technology.

00:55:08   I kind of wanted to, like after the keynote, storm the stage and like get my face like

00:55:14   six inches away from it to just see what it looks like up close. Like, it really seemed

00:55:19   impossible. Really, it was a very impressive part of the keynote.

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00:57:59   - I think you mentioned that the last time you were on.

00:58:01   - Oh, did I really?

00:58:02   I think you did. I think you did. And you were happy with it?

00:58:05   Yeah, I really was. I didn't keep the subscription up after the finish just because I,

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00:58:37   All right. I guess we could just go in Apple's order. I want to see what we can mow through

00:58:45   in the next hour or so. Oh boy. Announcements, right? What's new? iOS 12.

00:58:50   Well, did you hear that it's faster? So I have it. I don't have it on my main phone. I have it on

00:58:59   my year old iPhone 7.

00:59:02   - Interesting.

00:59:03   - 'Cause I, and again, we were talking earlier in the show

00:59:06   about installing the WWDC beta on phones.

00:59:09   Summer is just not the time for me to have a phone

00:59:14   that I can't depend on.

00:59:15   Like if anything, it's like the worst time

00:59:17   because it's the most often traveling

00:59:20   and doing, it's like my only connection to the world.

00:59:23   But I inevitably end up hearing that like beta three

00:59:28   is really stable and switch to the betas at some point.

00:59:31   But I'm really resistant this year

00:59:33   because I really feel like iOS 11 didn't really

00:59:37   hit its stride until 11.4, and it came out a week before WWDC.

00:59:42   I think 11.4 is one of the best releases of iOS ever.

00:59:47   It is--

00:59:48   It was very solid.

00:59:49   It's super solid.

00:59:50   It delivers all this stuff that is sort of like a file it

00:59:54   under finally, like iMessage in the cloud, and stuff like that.

00:59:58   Airplay 2.

00:59:59   Airplay 2.

01:00:01   All of this stuff.

01:00:02   And it's like, it just seems criminal to have one week with the perfect version of iOS and

01:00:07   then switch to a, immediately switch to a beta with a bunch of broken stuff.

01:00:12   But I have it on the iPhone 7 and it's, it seems really nice.

01:00:18   It certainly doesn't seem slow.

01:00:20   I mean it really, you know, I don't think that that was any, I don't think that was

01:00:24   bullshit.

01:00:25   No.

01:00:26   No, I think they did a lot of work under the hood.

01:00:29   And unlike you, I threw caution to the wind

01:00:32   and I put it on the iPhone 10 because--

01:00:33   - Did you do it while you were at WWDC?

01:00:36   - Oh yeah, I did.

01:00:37   I absolutely did.

01:00:37   - All right, let me ask you, how did you do that?

01:00:41   - How did I install it?

01:00:42   - Yes.

01:00:43   - On Monday, I put all my electronics at my hotel

01:00:48   and while I was eating lunch, I went and installed it.

01:00:51   - So you did it over the wifi at the hotel?

01:00:53   - Yeah.

01:00:54   - Wow.

01:00:55   Yeah, I did it over the Wi Fi hotel. And I did it. What at a

01:00:58   point when I knew people weren't going to be at the hotel. I

01:01:01   think that was the trick, right? You can't do it in the evenings.

01:01:03   And you can't do it in the mornings. And you can't do it at

01:01:06   WWDC. Right? Well, I did do it at WWDC. But for those of you who

01:01:10   are wondering, why is john confused about how to install an

01:01:13   iOS beta? It's because the only place I didn't even stress test

01:01:18   my hotels Wi Fi. So maybe I should have and maybe, you know,

01:01:21   I just assumed that hotel Wi Fi was unusable. Was garbage. Yeah,

01:01:24   gigabyte download. But for years now, a couple of years ago, Apple switched to a really nice

01:01:32   way of getting betas on iOS devices where you don't really download the whole OS. What

01:01:37   you do is you log into your developer account at the developer.apple.com website. And what

01:01:43   you download is a provisioning profile. It's just a profile probably measured in kilobytes,

01:01:49   even megabytes, just kilobytes. And then you approve it with your device passcode. And

01:01:55   then while you have that profile installed, your phone will look for software updates

01:01:59   from the beta servers, not just the main servers. And then you download, it's just like a regular

01:02:03   over the air software update. And I, you know, it's not like I forgot how to use iTunes to

01:02:10   download an image to my Mac and then the trick with option and you click one of the buttons

01:02:16   and iTunes to do like a wipe and restore and the other option is to do an upgrade. And

01:02:21   when you hold down the option key, you can pick the IPSW file from the file system. I

01:02:27   vaguely remembered it, but I hadn't done it in so long. And the the catch is Apple has

01:02:33   terrific Wi Fi throughout the convention center, just really world class Wi Fi, but they don't

01:02:39   let you download the over the air software updates over the Wi Fi and for with the good

01:02:45   reason that they're worried that that would saturate the Wi-Fi and it wouldn't be good

01:02:49   Wi-Fi anymore. So you have to use Ethernet. And they do have kiosks with Ethernet located

01:02:57   throughout the convention center.

01:02:58   Yeah, but that's a pain to try and hook up to an iOS device.

01:03:03   I don't know his name. I don't think he knew who I was, but he was very, very kind. I thought

01:03:07   I was up Schitt's Creek without a paddle because I have a 2014 MacBook Pro, which I've

01:03:14   smugly been bragging about because my keyboard works with 100% success. Here I am, I'm sprinkling

01:03:23   sand over my keyboard right now. Guess what? It still works.

01:03:29   Just to be a smug bastard.

01:03:32   But their kiosks had regular Ethernet plugs and USB-C plugs.

01:03:43   And I don't have USB-C, and I don't have a regular Ethernet plug.

01:03:48   And I used to, for years, carry the old-school USB-to-Ethernet adapter, which Mac users have

01:04:00   needed for years.

01:04:01   I couldn't find it in my backpack. I don't know where it is. At some point I lost it

01:04:05   and I thought I was screwed. A friend happened to walk by and I said, "Hey, you don't happen

01:04:12   to have an adapter, do you?" And he said, "No." But somebody listened and it ends up

01:04:19   – it's sort of my laziness/not so great eyesight anymore. One of the plugs that I

01:04:25   thought was USB-C at the kiosk was the Thunderbolt 2 plug, which I do have.

01:04:31   Which you have.

01:04:32   Right. And so I did that and did install it on the thing at the kiosk.

01:04:38   Got your beta the old fashioned way.

01:04:40   Yeah. I was seriously thinking like, should I like set up my other phone as a tethering thing and just do it over Wi-Fi and tethering?

01:04:50   Yeah, well, thankfully, you didn't have to do it that way. But no, I did the over the air update from my hotel. And I did it on my 10 specifically, because I had my eight plus with me as well. And I was just like, well, I have my eight plus and I have a SIM removal tool. So if I completely bork my 10, then at least I still have a perfectly functioning phone on iOS 11.4.

01:05:13   But I am a creature of enjoyable niche features,

01:05:18   and Memoji was just weird enough that I was like,

01:05:22   "Well, yes, of course I wanna try this,"

01:05:24   and Group FaceTime and all of that.

01:05:26   These are iPhone 10-only features,

01:05:30   and if I install the beta on a different phone,

01:05:33   then it just means that I'm gonna have to install it

01:05:35   on my iPhone 10 sooner or later

01:05:36   if I wanna test these features.

01:05:38   So why not just install it now, get it over with,

01:05:40   and then have the other phone as my safe phone

01:05:43   and not panic about it.

01:05:45   And I haven't regretted it.

01:05:47   - Yeah, and it's really hard to test on an iPhone 7 for me.

01:05:52   Like my pattern in recent years has always been

01:05:56   install the first beta on my one-year-old iPhone,

01:06:00   the most recent one that's not my main one.

01:06:02   And as soon as I verify that it seems good enough,

01:06:05   pop my SIM into there and then use it,

01:06:08   use that as my main phone.

01:06:09   and then if anything really goes wrong,

01:06:11   I can just go back to my newer phone.

01:06:13   And I can't bring myself to do it with this

01:06:18   because I've, and I'm not surprised by this,

01:06:20   but I'm so spoiled by the iPhone X and Face ID.

01:06:24   - The gestures, yeah.

01:06:26   - The gesture, it's all driving me nuts.

01:06:28   Like as much as when I first got the iPhone X,

01:06:32   it was kind of hard to adjust to the gestures

01:06:34   and not having a home button to click,

01:06:36   et cetera, et cetera, going backwards.

01:06:38   And it's just to me, it just verifies how successful

01:06:41   the iPhone 10 design is.

01:06:43   It is just maddening.

01:06:45   I had completely forgotten about this.

01:06:47   So on the iPhone 10, let's say you send me an iMessage

01:06:51   and I look at my lock screen

01:06:53   and there's the little notification.

01:06:54   And it'll tell me once I look at the phone,

01:06:58   it opens it up and tells me what the message says.

01:07:03   And then I can just tap the message to go to messages

01:07:06   and I'm in there.

01:07:07   can't do that with the iPhone 7. You have to unlock the phone. You've got to like go

01:07:11   to the home button, but then you can't tap a particular message to jump to that message.

01:07:19   It's impossible to go back. I can use it to just poke around and examine the features,

01:07:24   but it is so maddening. But I want some of these features. Just before this show started,

01:07:34   I posted something about Swift and some you know

01:07:37   Just some sort of pushback on Swift as the be all end all language for all uses and and a very smart friend of mine

01:07:44   Sent me a series of about five or six

01:07:46   I messages and I love that they show up in a single stack on the lock screen on this phone

01:07:53   Yeah, I love it

01:07:55   But I the fact that I can't just press hard on them to jump to the thread messages

01:08:00   It makes this phone feel like it's broken

01:08:03   Well, you clearly have only one choice, and that's to install the beta on your iPhone

01:08:08   10.

01:08:09   Please don't.

01:08:11   People who are listening, I'm like, "Please don't do that.

01:08:13   We're crazy people."

01:08:14   You should wait for the public beta, at least.

01:08:17   All right, so features.

01:08:19   Memoji.

01:08:20   How do you like the Memoji?

01:08:22   I really like – all right, so here's the thing.

01:08:24   Memoji, I'm like, "All right, this is a gimmick."

01:08:26   Animoji I thought were really cute, and then I never used them just because I was just

01:08:30   like, "All right, whatever."

01:08:31   They're fun, but I don't usually record videos with sound

01:08:34   if I'm gonna record videos at all.

01:08:36   But there's something about creating virtual avatars

01:08:40   to yourself, especially when they're cute.

01:08:43   Like the Memoji are, what I really appreciate

01:08:46   about what Apple's done for this is it's not just like,

01:08:48   it's not the iOS 11 Notes app with its like five colors

01:08:53   in the color picker, right?

01:08:54   Like the Memoji are deeply customizable

01:08:58   and to an almost shocking extent.

01:08:59   and they show up, you know, you create one,

01:09:01   and it's gender neutral to start.

01:09:03   So you can choose whatever hair you want,

01:09:06   you can make like purple skin if you wanna just

01:09:08   make an alien or make something crazy.

01:09:11   And the hair, like this is the thing that got me,

01:09:13   is that most of it is just like, it's a fun,

01:09:16   you know, it's a fun advancement of their Animoji tech,

01:09:18   where it's just using the RIR sensor

01:09:20   and the whole Face ID front camera

01:09:22   to do some really cool stuff.

01:09:24   But they have made such gigantic improvements

01:09:27   and the physics engine that they're using for rendering.

01:09:30   Like the hair is the thing that freaks me out the most.

01:09:33   And I posted like, I did just like a cute little

01:09:37   karaoke video right after I got back from WWDC,

01:09:41   where I was literally spinning the phone around

01:09:43   while like trying to lip sync to the closing song

01:09:46   from Black Panther, which is like a Kendrick Lamar song.

01:09:50   And I'm like, I'm literally spinning the phone

01:09:52   and there's no artifacts, there's no lag,

01:09:55   There's no thing.

01:09:57   The only thing that you notice is the fact that as I'm spinning and bobbing my head,

01:10:01   you can see the shoulder length hair flowing and bobbing and moving with the physics of

01:10:07   not just the phone, but me.

01:10:09   And it was a complete trip.

01:10:14   And the more I keep on, you can make a whole bunch of these and it's really easy to duplicate

01:10:18   them and add features and sunglasses and nonsense like that.

01:10:23   And they're just, it reminds me of when I first got my Nintendo Wii and like I started

01:10:28   just making tons of Miis, which obviously this will get, you know, compared to.

01:10:33   But it's like that.

01:10:34   It's like maybe you don't have just as much customization, like Apple has wisely steered

01:10:38   away from the like, "Adjust your eyes, one centimeter up or down."

01:10:42   It's just kind of like, here are our default selections that you can play with.

01:10:47   But it, I don't know.

01:10:48   It's just, it's really enjoyable.

01:10:50   I spent a good two hours messing around with Memoji,

01:10:53   and I find that I'm actually sending them to people.

01:10:56   And maybe I'm sending them to people

01:10:58   'cause it's a new feature and it's whatever,

01:11:00   but especially tying it in with the camera on iMessage,

01:11:05   and then also tying it in with group FaceTime,

01:11:08   which is also kind of a trip.

01:11:10   I don't know, I feel like there are some actual use cases

01:11:13   for this just beyond a fun gimmick,

01:11:17   but like a actual, yeah, let's play around with this.

01:11:20   - I saw something the other day on Twitter

01:11:22   that really impressed me was,

01:11:25   and I don't know who this was,

01:11:26   it was like I saw somebody retweeted the person who did it,

01:11:28   but it was really good that they were just like,

01:11:30   got bored and decided to make a Harry Potter memoji.

01:11:34   - Oh. - And they just posted

01:11:36   a whole bunch, but it's like,

01:11:37   even if they hadn't told me who it was,

01:11:38   I would have instantly known, you know?

01:11:40   - Of course. - It was like, oh,

01:11:42   but it was so, you know, like to me,

01:11:44   that's pretty telling that it's expressive enough

01:11:46   you could like look at this image and be like, you know, like, if you're playing the Memoji version

01:11:51   of Pictionary, you'd be like Harry Potter. The Louis Mantilla made a version of the Pixar

01:11:59   Inside Out poster with Memojis as the Inside Out characters. And that was great, too. It's just,

01:12:06   they really do. There's so there's a ton of options. Now, they're not as many as there should

01:12:10   be. Like there are no AirPods option. There are a whole bunch of earrings option, but there are

01:12:14   that there are no AirPods, and I'm like,

01:12:15   that's an odd choice.

01:12:16   And they're, you know, I know Darumple is complaining

01:12:21   about the fact that there's no beard that's longer

01:12:23   than like half an inch.

01:12:26   So there's still some things that probably need

01:12:28   to be worked out.

01:12:29   The beards in general are kind of just like lumps

01:12:31   on the face, they don't have the same hair mechanics.

01:12:34   And because the Memoji, like in a vacuum,

01:12:37   having them be floating heads is not a bad thing.

01:12:41   But when you apply them to group FaceTime chats

01:12:43   or photos, that's when they get a little bit weird,

01:12:47   especially if you have long hair on a Momoji,

01:12:49   because the long hair hangs down where the neck should be.

01:12:53   So that when you put it on an actual, like an AR kind of body,

01:12:57   where it's like your body but the Momoji's head,

01:13:00   with short hair it looks fine.

01:13:01   But with the shoulder length hair, it's like, oh,

01:13:04   my neck is gone.

01:13:05   My shoulders are gone.

01:13:06   It just looks like a random floating head.

01:13:08   It's taken it like the Haunted Mansion ride,

01:13:12   where the ghost gets overlaid at the end.

01:13:14   It kind of looks like that, where you're like,

01:13:15   that's weird.

01:13:17   So I'm hoping there's still some things to tweak with it.

01:13:20   But it's gonna sell a lot of iPhone 10s.

01:13:23   There's no question about that.

01:13:25   This is the feature to sell the iPhone 10 in the fall

01:13:28   when they come out with the iPhone 10 too or whatever.

01:13:31   - Right.

01:13:32   To get people to upgrade to a, what's it called?

01:13:40   a notch, a notch, a notch phone, a notch phone, something with the front facing camera array.

01:13:47   Yeah, death sensor face detection, blah, blah, blah. No, it seems it seems really, you know,

01:13:53   it is gimmicky. But that doesn't mean it's bad. It might be a good gimmick that people actually use.

01:13:58   And it's proof of concept of the tech, the technology. Yeah, like it's they don't overtly

01:14:04   say that like, there's a our kit at work. But clearly there's a our kit at work. Like there

01:14:08   is face detection, there's eye detection, like there's a lot of stuff that's going on here.

01:14:14   And granted, the front-facing camera is very advanced, but I mean, I've said this from the

01:14:18   beginning, like the FaceTime front-facing camera to me, yeah, it enables Face ID, but what's really

01:14:25   interesting about that technology is when it comes to the back camera, not only how it's going to

01:14:29   improve photos, but how it's going to improve AR and IR kit. Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, it's sort of

01:14:38   jumping away to big picture, but I really do think that where Apple is going with this,

01:14:45   I've said this before, but maybe not in a while. But basically, where are they going? They're going

01:14:52   in a direction where your phone knows where you are and where you're going. Like in the way that,

01:15:00   "Okay, I know Center City, Philadelphia pretty well.

01:15:05   "And so if you put a bag over my head,

01:15:10   "like the equivalent of putting me in your purse,

01:15:13   "or if I were an iPhone,

01:15:15   "putting me in your purse or your pocket,

01:15:17   "and then take me out, right?

01:15:20   "It wouldn't take me long to figure out where we are.

01:15:25   "Oh, I know that store.

01:15:27   "I know that Wawa.

01:15:28   okay, we're at, you know, we're broad and chestnut. You know, oh, there's City Hall. Okay,

01:15:40   I got it. I know where we are. We're on Market Street. It wouldn't take me long. And the phone

01:15:46   should be able, you know, you soon enough, meaning within a handful of years, should be able to do

01:15:52   all of that with a combination of GPS and camera and depth sensing. You know, it, it

01:16:03   just doesn't see it just seems like that's, that's where it's all heading. And, you know,

01:16:09   that your photos will be tagged, and it won't just know where you were based on GPS, but

01:16:14   it'll know exactly which way you were oriented.

01:16:16   Mmm. That's interesting. I didn't even think about that.

01:16:19   Right? It's inevitable.

01:16:20   The additional, like, the compass. Yeah.

01:16:21   Right.

01:16:22   Well, and I think what's really interesting, instead of the—in terms of, like, going

01:16:25   back to the iOS—

01:16:26   Well, no, no. Think about this. Not just the compass, but once it analyzes the actual picture,

01:16:30   right? And if you're in a—

01:16:31   Oh.

01:16:32   Right? So if you're in a park and you're taking a picture of a friend or a selfie,

01:16:37   and it's mostly a view and it's mostly, like, green trees and grass, but there's

01:16:41   statue or a fountain in the background like in the way that if I knew the park

01:16:46   you were in you know you know exactly which way you returned right I would

01:16:50   know where if I'm familiar with the park but the phone should be able to be

01:16:53   familiar with everything everywhere collectively mm-hmm you know well in

01:16:58   pulling it back to iOS 12 for a second I think it's really interesting you know

01:17:02   Apple's been building it's sort of underlying proactive technology since

01:17:06   iOS 9 where it's like yeah your apps will kind of know like when when you're

01:17:10   in the morning, it'll suggest certain apps to you.

01:17:13   And they've gone away from that,

01:17:15   or they went away from that a little bit with iOS 11,

01:17:17   but with iOS 12, they're bringing it back in a big way

01:17:20   with shortcuts and Siri suggestions and all of this,

01:17:22   this, you know, proactive, continuity type stuff.

01:17:26   But what I think is really interesting about it,

01:17:29   'cause it's not like the features themselves

01:17:31   are not dissimilar to what Google is doing

01:17:34   on their technology, but the way that Apple's executing it

01:17:37   is the stuff that makes me really excited.

01:17:39   The fact that people were seeing on the beta

01:17:43   a suggestion to go into do not disturb mode,

01:17:46   being like, oh, your lunch with Kathy sounds important.

01:17:49   And lunch with Kathy was not on a calendar invite,

01:17:51   it was in iMessages, and people were like,

01:17:53   whoa, what's going on there?

01:17:55   And doing some digging into it and realizing,

01:17:58   this is entirely done locally, this is the phone,

01:18:01   this is the secure enclave, being like,

01:18:03   well, you've allowed me access locally to your things,

01:18:07   So I'm going to locally look at your iMessage

01:18:10   and locally look at your calendars

01:18:11   and locally look at what direction you are in a park

01:18:13   and then give you suggestions based on that.

01:18:16   And those suggestions aren't necessarily synced

01:18:18   through iCloud or anything like that.

01:18:19   They never go up to the cloud.

01:18:21   So Apple has found a way to like,

01:18:23   it still seems dirty to be like,

01:18:26   rummage through your messages.

01:18:27   But Apple's found a way to like scan your information

01:18:31   in a way that never violates your security

01:18:33   because it's being done locally on the phone

01:18:36   that they can't have access to unless you physically,

01:18:38   you know, hand it over and unlock it.

01:18:41   And that's a really like,

01:18:43   because I think the potential of, you know,

01:18:45   having a phone that you can go into a park

01:18:47   and it knows where you're oriented

01:18:48   and maybe you press an AR button

01:18:50   and instantly you can turn around

01:18:51   and see the rest of the park, right?

01:18:53   You can see what it would have looked like on that day.

01:18:56   Like there are a ton of possibilities here,

01:18:59   but it always comes with the caveat

01:19:00   of personal privacy and security, right?

01:19:03   Like, how far can we go before we just give over all of our rights to unnamed third company,

01:19:08   third-party company?

01:19:10   And I really appreciate the way that Apple has been doing this slowly and smartly to

01:19:14   the point where, like, their chips are fast enough to process all this locally.

01:19:18   So you don't have to stress out about, you know, about your messages having to ping up

01:19:24   to a server so you can get a suggestion to go into do not disturb mode at lunch.

01:19:28   It's just the phone knows.

01:19:29   The phone tells you.

01:19:30   I wonder how much I wonder how that's gonna play in the mid mass market though because

01:19:37   You know and I think it's one reason

01:19:40   of several why Apple has been publicly hammering home the

01:19:45   We value your privacy and we don't want your data

01:19:49   You know, I don't want to be we don't want we don't it's not just that we don't want to look at it

01:19:54   We don't even want to have it so that we can't look at it and they've been saying it for years

01:19:59   I think they mean it and you know, it's not like Apple isn't a little-known brand

01:20:05   But I wonder though how it'll play when something like that happens how an event that's not on your calendar only in a message

01:20:13   but a separate component of the OS is

01:20:16   You know prompting you to you know, do you want to turn off turn do not disturb on for the next hour?

01:20:22   Because you've got lunch, you know

01:20:24   Will it freak people out or?

01:20:26   or will it only surprise them the first two times

01:20:28   and then they'll get used to it and accept it?

01:20:30   - Yeah, I mean, I think there'll be a momentary,

01:20:33   I mean, we already kind of saw it on Twitter last week,

01:20:35   there'll be a momentary like,

01:20:36   oh my God, how is this happening?

01:20:38   I do think that Apple should come out with messaging

01:20:40   and maybe they already have that

01:20:41   and kind of in the works for iOS 12,

01:20:43   where they're just kind of like,

01:20:44   this is why this is so cool.

01:20:46   They were just waiting until shortcuts

01:20:48   kind of got a little bit more refined.

01:20:50   Maybe we'll see some stuff in the public beta,

01:20:51   maybe we'll see some stuff at launch.

01:20:53   But I think it's a really important thing

01:20:56   to get out in front of.

01:20:57   'Cause if you can say, you know all those features

01:20:59   that Google's been doing for years,

01:21:01   well we can do it now too with our iPhone 10

01:21:04   and the iPhone 8 with iOS 12,

01:21:06   but you don't have to do it in some cloud

01:21:10   where potentially the FBI could have access to your data.

01:21:13   It's all locally on your phone.

01:21:15   That's a great message for them to pitch.

01:21:17   But I do think, I think you're right in that

01:21:20   there might be some initial panic

01:21:21   if Apple doesn't grab hold of that narrative and be like,

01:21:24   this is how this is gonna go.

01:21:26   - Right, and you're not gonna get ads based on the thing.

01:21:28   - Yeah, that's also really key, right?

01:21:31   - I definitely think so.

01:21:33   - And it's also, I mean, I think about Apple's concern

01:21:39   over this, you know about the new app store, right?

01:21:41   You know, the fact that this is something that's kind of,

01:21:43   I feel like gone completely under the radar

01:21:45   'cause it wasn't in the keynote, is that iOS 12,

01:21:48   And even a little, I think they're beta testing it in iOS 11,

01:21:52   I'm not positive, but iOS 12 offers

01:21:54   a fully customized app store based on your purchase history

01:21:57   and like how you rate apps.

01:22:00   So your today screen actually shows up

01:22:04   with customized editorials based on your tastes

01:22:08   and your likes and like what you prefer.

01:22:10   It's basically like for you with Apple Music,

01:22:12   but it's through the app store.

01:22:15   And Apple did it without changing any of their terms

01:22:18   and conditions and they're not gathering any extra data.

01:22:20   But I have to assume that there was some concern over,

01:22:25   especially the Cambridge Analytica stuff and everything else

01:22:27   that like, how was that going to play?

01:22:30   How is that gonna play if we introduce it in a keynote,

01:22:33   if we don't have the exact right wording?

01:22:35   So again, I think it's like part of that whole messaging.

01:22:39   Maybe they're still working on the way to present a like,

01:22:42   we're doing something really cool,

01:22:44   but we're not doing it with your data

01:22:47   in a way that other companies are doing.

01:22:48   - I think with the store in particular,

01:22:50   people have long accepted it and embraced it as a feature.

01:22:54   So like, I mean, and Amazon paved the way,

01:22:58   I mean, literally at this point decades ago,

01:23:00   I think I first started shopping at Amazon in 1997.

01:23:03   It may be even '96, I don't know, but certainly in '97.

01:23:08   But Amazon has always had a recommendation engine

01:23:10   based on past purchases that's useful.

01:23:15   It's like, yeah, that actually is useful to me

01:23:18   'cause you guys get me.

01:23:20   The creepier part, the part that is more objectionable

01:23:23   isn't when your behavior on Amazon

01:23:26   and your suggestions from Amazon are based on your actions.

01:23:31   It's when you start getting suggestions on Amazon

01:23:35   for things you didn't search for on Amazon,

01:23:38   you searched for somewhere else.

01:23:40   - Yeah. - Or, you know.

01:23:42   And that's, to me, is the difference with the App Store.

01:23:44   So of course Apple knows your purchase history.

01:23:46   It's obvious.

01:23:47   You could go to the Purchase tab,

01:23:49   and they'll tell you everything you bought.

01:23:52   It would be broken if they-- it would be bad if they didn't

01:23:54   know your purchase history.

01:23:55   So why not use it to order or show things

01:23:58   in a different order?

01:24:01   What else?

01:24:02   Privacy related.

01:24:03   We've got the AirPods-- this is from my notes.

01:24:07   I clearly meant to look up the actual name of the feature

01:24:10   before we started, and I didn't.

01:24:12   It says AirPods listening thing.

01:24:14   - That's great, that's perfect.

01:24:16   AirPods as live listeners hearing aids,

01:24:20   which is designed as an accessibility feature

01:24:23   and it essentially just means

01:24:24   that wherever you leave your iPhone

01:24:26   or if you use your iPhone as a microphone,

01:24:28   it'll get routed to your AirPods

01:24:30   the same way it would get routed

01:24:31   to a three or $400 hearing aid.

01:24:33   - Right, it's a feature that's already been in iOS

01:24:36   for at least a year, maybe years,

01:24:38   where people who use digitally connected hearing aids,

01:24:43   people with low hearing can do this.

01:24:48   So now it's just the same feature has been expanded

01:24:50   to allow you to use AirPods.

01:24:53   - Yeah, which is honestly, which is really cool

01:24:55   from an accessibility standpoint.

01:24:57   It also means that for people who are hard of hearing

01:25:00   or maybe even people who don't necessarily need

01:25:03   like hearing aids, but they still want to be able to use,

01:25:07   to connect and listen to people,

01:25:10   and maybe they're just starting to lose their hearing,

01:25:12   maybe they're just your grandparents, right?

01:25:14   And you wanna have a conversation.

01:25:16   It allows them to really have that feature

01:25:21   if they already have a set of AirPods.

01:25:22   But of course, instantly Twitter was like, "Spying!"

01:25:27   Which I understand, I understand.

01:25:31   I mean, it could be used like that.

01:25:33   - There's a new podcast, a friend of the show,

01:25:36   Stephen Aquino who has written, you know, I would I would say without question is the leading writer on

01:25:42   Accessibility and Apple products. I can't even imagine. I don't know who's in second place. Yeah

01:25:48   He has a new podcast called accessible and

01:25:52   It he had a great WWDC where he got interviews with

01:25:58   People at Apple who work on this stuff including

01:26:04   Apple's senior director of global accessibility policy and initiatives which which Steven and that her name is Sarah Herlinger

01:26:11   Which they even admitted is a bit a bit of a mouthful of a title

01:26:14   She was great Steven asked great questions

01:26:19   But one of the things she said like a specific environment where they were thinking about this and tested it would be a loud restaurant

01:26:24   So for somebody who maybe doesn't need a hearing aid, but who's hearing?

01:26:29   Accessibility needs are such that they have trouble

01:26:33   understanding a conversation in a noisy restaurant

01:26:35   That so they may not own like a three or four hundred dollar hearing aid because they don't need one usually but they could use

01:26:42   their air pods in the restaurant and point the phone's microphone just lay it on the table and point it at their

01:26:48   You know the people they're eating with across the table and get this

01:26:52   Clarified audio

01:26:56   Yeah, that that was a specific scenario that they were thinking of where would somebody use this for accessibility?

01:27:01   But would maybe wouldn't be the owner of hearing aids. I thought it was great. I'll put a link to the show notes

01:27:06   I swear to God to this episode because it's really really great and

01:27:10   So I think it's only the third episode of Stevens podcast and he's already got Apple executives on the show, which is pretty awesome

01:27:17   He's doing it right. He's doing it right, but I thought that was pretty good

01:27:20   Yeah, yeah, and so everybody freaked out about the spying angle and it's like man

01:27:26   There are so many things like search the web for like listening devices. It's like, you know again

01:27:31   You don't want to go down that rabbit hole because then you'll just you'll look at everything and just be like, alright

01:27:36   So people are listening from my lamp like this has been around since the 50s like we have to understand that it's not unusual

01:27:42   well think about the way that

01:27:44   Again, and it's not wrong that people immediately jump to that conclusion. It's actually I guess it's not it's healthy that that your instincts

01:27:51   You know jump to bad conclusions, but we've had the ability to turn on the iPhone camera and control it from our watch

01:27:58   Maybe not ever since the original watch but certainly for a couple of years since the original I think well

01:28:03   Whatever it's yeah couple of years

01:28:04   So you could prop up your phone in a room and and control it take pictures of people and stuff like that

01:28:11   I mean and there's also and of course we all know there's all sorts of devices you can buy that are cameras that you can

01:28:16   hide in a room and surreptitiously take photos of people so

01:28:20   Again people somebody might eventually abuse it that way

01:28:23   but it certainly isn't a reason not to add the feature to the OS because it's not the only way to do it.

01:28:28   It's not like not doing this in iOS 12 is going to keep people from ever being snooped on.











01:28:35   JADE, SINGING

01:28:35   - Exactly.

01:28:36   People are people, you just have to be vigilant

01:28:38   and be friends with the right folks.

01:28:41   Go to the right places, I guess.

01:28:43   - And you do have to leave your $700 or $800,

01:28:46   $900, $1000 iPhone laying around.

01:28:49   - Just lying around.

01:28:50   - Right, so, you know,

01:28:52   just probably also cheaper ways to do it.

01:28:55   Group FaceTime, I haven't tried this yet.

01:28:58   - Oh, I just tried it today.

01:28:59   It's really cool.

01:29:00   It's actually, again, for a 1.0 product,

01:29:04   it is pretty solid.

01:29:05   And I believe like, I think you were asking JAWS

01:29:08   about this last week about like,

01:29:10   oh, you guys use these internally for meetings.

01:29:12   And after having used it with like five or six people today,

01:29:15   I'm like, oh yeah, I can totally see this.

01:29:18   'Cause already on like, you know, when I'm in Montreal,

01:29:21   I do not have great wifi at all.

01:29:23   Like just I'm in the back of a railroad apartment,

01:29:25   it's really patchy signal.

01:29:27   But I was able to do a group FaceTime on my patchy wifi

01:29:32   with no issues whatsoever.

01:29:34   And it's like, it was clear.

01:29:35   I've never even had a Skype or a Hangouts thing this clear.

01:29:38   And it was very good in that it was intelligently degrading

01:29:42   and improving the signal based on what,

01:29:46   there was never that moment where the entire chat froze

01:29:49   and you're just like, oh good,

01:29:51   well I have no idea what's talking anymore.

01:29:54   Instead it was just like, oh your connection isn't as strong

01:29:57   okay we're gonna drop out the picture,

01:29:58   but you're still gonna get full audio,

01:29:59   you're still like, it's just, you know, just some,

01:30:02   there's a lot of really nice tweaks under the hood.

01:30:04   And FaceTime's, I mean, FaceTime's proprietary

01:30:06   under the hood codec has always been really strong

01:30:08   in this regard, so I guess I'm not that surprised,

01:30:11   but it's nice to see that, you know,

01:30:13   even though this feature feels like three or four years late

01:30:16   it's still really strong.

01:30:17   And again, adding Memoji and all the effects

01:30:20   and everything else, it makes Hangouts,

01:30:23   like special effects stuff, look primitive,

01:30:26   look like grade school stuff.

01:30:27   - Yeah, I kind of-- - Because it's so good.

01:30:29   I kind of get the feeling that the doesn't really feel like a 1.0 and kind of feels like

01:30:34   it's three or four years late are one in this two sides of the same coin. Right? The

01:30:40   reason it seems to have shipped a little at least a couple of years later than I would

01:30:44   say most of us would have expected to have multiple people, more than two people in a

01:30:48   FaceTime video chat is that they decided to ship it when it was like rock solid and really

01:30:57   well done. And so it's not sort of the typical, this works most of the time, 1.0, right?

01:31:04   Yeah. Well, it makes sense because there already are. Hangouts is pretty solid. Skype is pretty

01:31:10   solid. There are a million video chat options. So if you're going to introduce something,

01:31:16   you better make it as good as iMessage.

01:31:18   Yeah. And as secure as iMessage because one of the questions I asked last week at the

01:31:23   show. I knew the answer, but it was good to hear it on the record is that even with a 32 person

01:31:28   group FaceTime, it remains end to end encrypted for everybody involved, which is incredible. Mind

01:31:34   boggling to me. Yeah. All right, shortcuts. I haven't set up any shortcuts yet. Yeah. So sure.

01:31:43   I mean, shortcuts, the app doesn't exist yet. So it's, we're still in, we're still in, I think the

01:31:48   the best thing to think about.

01:31:49   And Federico Vitucci wrote an amazing piece on this today

01:31:53   at MacStories.

01:31:54   Renee has been doing some really great stuff at iMore.

01:31:57   The things to know about shortcuts

01:31:58   is it's really like three different things.

01:32:00   There's Shortcuts the app, which basically replaces workflow.

01:32:04   And from everything I've been hearing

01:32:06   and from everything Vitucci and Renee have been hearing,

01:32:09   it sounds like it's gonna be identical to workflow,

01:32:11   including all of the callback URL schemes

01:32:13   and like all of the advanced coding stuff

01:32:16   that people have been able to do and play around with.

01:32:17   It doesn't sound like Apple's taking away

01:32:19   any of that functionality, which is awesome,

01:32:21   but the app's not ready yet, right?

01:32:23   It's still workflow in the store,

01:32:24   and it'll eventually replace it, but until it does,

01:32:27   we really can't play around with that.

01:32:28   Then there's also Siri-based shortcuts,

01:32:32   and these are a little bit more complicated

01:32:34   in that these are current.

01:32:37   You can mess around with them in the first beta,

01:32:39   but they're only found in the Settings app

01:32:41   under the Siri tab, and eventually,

01:32:43   it sounds like they may pop up on your lock screen

01:32:46   is like, hey, you do this pretty often,

01:32:47   do you wanna create a voice shortcut for it?

01:32:50   But those right now are only,

01:32:53   they only show up in settings.

01:32:56   And it's really easy to create a voice shortcut,

01:32:59   but it's only for one thing, right?

01:33:00   Like it's, a great example was,

01:33:04   if I went into it right now, it would show me,

01:33:05   it was like, would you like to create a voice shortcut

01:33:07   for launching iMore.com?

01:33:09   Or like opening the specific talk show shared note

01:33:13   that Jon Gruber just linked to you.

01:33:15   And then you could say, you know, "Talk show."

01:33:17   And then anytime you said, "Talk show," to Siri,

01:33:20   Siri would automatically open up that note in specific.

01:33:23   So it's like little things like that.

01:33:25   And it sounds like third-party apps

01:33:27   will also be able to include those kinds of things

01:33:31   so that you can actually automatically build one

01:33:33   by either pressing a button in the app

01:33:34   or the app will suggest it to you on your home screen.

01:33:37   So that's kind of the other aspect of shortcuts.

01:33:41   And then they combine together in a lovely way.

01:33:44   But it just it you still is what is from what I can understand

01:33:47   you'll still be able to run like work the workflow style shortcuts like as an action extension or as a

01:33:52   As a standalone like home screen app and things like that

01:33:56   It's just now in addition to that it's hooking into Siri so that you can do multi-part things with Siri, which is pretty cool

01:34:02   Hmm, very cool

01:34:05   Screen time

01:34:08   Scary it's green screen time. Do they spell it one word or two words two words?

01:34:13   it is two words in the settings app, so I I

01:34:17   Suspect that once I have this running on my main phone. I'm going to have some

01:34:22   some eye-opening

01:34:25   reports

01:34:26   Some of my usage like the one in particular

01:34:29   I forget if I said this on stage or backstage to jaws

01:34:31   But I was like the one about how many times a day you wake your phone

01:34:34   I just know it's gonna be like whoa, come on, that's busted

01:34:38   broken. Nobody opens their phone 253 times a day.

01:34:43   Oh, it's better. I had 4,000 last week. On the week, not the day, right? No. No, no,

01:34:52   the day. The Tuesday when I was messing around with iOS 12. Like, it was very specifically,

01:34:59   obviously, a testing issue, but like, it was still a little bit like, "Why? Why? No."

01:35:05   So I went through and like I told you, I had this longer than you'd think even over super

01:35:11   fast ethernet where I installed the beta on my iPhone 7 at WWDC but didn't really get

01:35:19   a chance to use it or hardly at all there and then flew home on Thursday and got in

01:35:24   and like Friday like decided to check it out and it says you use your phone for two minutes

01:35:29   a day.

01:35:30   I'm like, not for long.

01:35:34   like, that's not correct. That is a little weird. Yeah, I mean, I've been I've been looking at the

01:35:39   graph for about a week. And I do find it's really helpful to kind of just generally see a an overall

01:35:44   picture. They give you most used graphs, not only for individual apps, but also for groupings of

01:35:50   apps. So like reading and reference my like grouping, which is like books and a couple

01:35:55   other things. It's like reading and reference 18 hours in the last week. And I'm like, yeah,

01:35:59   that sounds about right. And they have like social networking and productivity and entertainment and

01:36:03   things like that. And that's helpful for getting kind of a general idea of what you're doing.

01:36:10   I haven't set any downtime. I haven't set any app limits yet. I don't know if I will,

01:36:14   just because it's like, yeah. It's hard when you're also using it for your job. Maybe I'll

01:36:21   set some downtime stuff for everything but the books app at night, right? Because it might force

01:36:26   me to actually read and not go to Twitter when I want to be reading actual books.

01:36:31   I should set the opposite of a limit. I should set like a requirement that I have to spend 45 minutes a day in mail

01:36:38   Yes, right, right this is something I actually I haven't filed a radar yet

01:36:44   But it's on my list of Raiders to file as I actually want them when you like use up your screen time for a certain app

01:36:50   I actually want you to them to prompt you with a different app like oh you spent you know

01:36:55   You're two hours allotted on tweet

01:36:56   Would you like to go learn a new language and do a lingo instead?

01:36:59   Should I have to go check your mail, John Gruber?

01:37:02   I really should.

01:37:03   I mean, it would be exactly like the calorie goals or standing goals on the watch.

01:37:08   Like, come on, you can make it.

01:37:10   You can do it.

01:37:12   No, the one thing about screen time that wigs me out a little bit is if you're in a family,

01:37:17   which I am, you can see everybody in your family's screen time, including your significant other,

01:37:22   and you can set downtime and app limits for them,

01:37:25   which I think is kind of screwy.

01:37:28   I'm like, I'm hoping that that could be turned off

01:37:31   on the, like, you know, it's like,

01:37:34   if my husband wants to turn off screen time

01:37:36   so that I can't see it, just like he can turn off

01:37:39   find my friends, like I feel like that would probably

01:37:41   be a good security feature, 'cause I just,

01:37:43   I feel like, I don't know, I just see controlling

01:37:46   like ex-girlfriends and boyfriends

01:37:48   and it makes me uncomfortable.

01:37:50   But it's cool from, I mean, I don't have a kid,

01:37:52   but you have a kid, like is this something,

01:37:55   Is something you're going to use for Jonas?

01:37:57   I'll take a look at it.

01:37:58   I mean, we don't really have very many limits on his stuff.

01:38:04   It's all going to be YouTube.

01:38:05   It's just going to be--

01:38:06   Yeah.

01:38:06   And actually, he doesn't watch YouTube on his phone much,

01:38:09   though.

01:38:11   His phone thing is mostly some stupid meme app,

01:38:15   where you just page through and just get memes.

01:38:18   His YouTube usage is almost entirely MacBook.

01:38:24   And so Mac isn't getting this feature yet, but--

01:38:27   - Not yet, maybe next year.

01:38:29   I'm trying to think of other weird and cool things.

01:38:32   You can set up an alternate face ID appearance,

01:38:36   although people are now like,

01:38:38   "Oh, it's a second person for FaceTime."

01:38:41   And I'm like, "Eh, well, sort of."

01:38:43   I guess that works.

01:38:44   - It just seems like though,

01:38:46   if that's what they really meant,

01:38:47   they wouldn't use that language.

01:38:49   This seems like something-- - No.

01:38:51   - I can't even, you know,

01:38:53   I can think of dozens of scenarios for this,

01:38:55   but one that I could think of in particular

01:39:00   would be if your job requires you to wear a mask

01:39:06   or certain goggles.

01:39:09   And I got an email that I actually saw and read

01:39:13   and much appreciated from a surgeon

01:39:15   who got an iPhone X and simply couldn't get it to unlock

01:39:22   while he was wearing a surgical mask.

01:39:24   And then all of a sudden, a couple of months in,

01:39:28   it started working, and he wrote to me,

01:39:30   speculating that either a software improvement,

01:39:32   something changed.

01:39:33   I could imagine that this might help

01:39:37   with some scenario like that,

01:39:39   where sometimes you're wearing a surgical mask,

01:39:41   and if you set it up both ways and say,

01:39:44   "These are both me," it can triangulate it.

01:39:47   The language of the feature,

01:39:49   and nobody seems to have figured,

01:39:51   I don't know, I haven't seen if anybody has figured out

01:39:53   whether it really does work

01:39:54   with two entirely different people,

01:39:56   but I think if that's what they meant,

01:39:58   they would have said they would have written it differently.

01:39:59   - They would have just been like, "Multiperson FaceTime."

01:40:02   - Right. - Isn't that cool?

01:40:03   - Right, like they don't call it, like with Touch ID,

01:40:05   they don't call it alternative finger angle.

01:40:08   You know what I mean?

01:40:09   It's like you just set up a different finger.

01:40:11   - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - It's pretty clear,

01:40:13   you know, that when you're setting up a different finger,

01:40:15   it's a different finger.

01:40:16   - Mm-hmm, yeah.

01:40:18   So other things, there are new Siri voices.

01:40:20   There's a South African Siri voice,

01:40:22   and there's also an Irish Siri voice.

01:40:24   So if you want your iPhone to sound like Friday

01:40:27   from Iron Man, you can make that happen.

01:40:29   - That's pretty cool.

01:40:31   Here's one that I don't know anything about

01:40:33   'cause I haven't put it on an iPad yet,

01:40:34   but I understand that you have strong feelings

01:40:37   about the new swipe gestures on iPad.

01:40:40   - I really do.

01:40:41   I have so many.

01:40:42   Well, okay, so the iPad gestures have been reoriented

01:40:45   to be in line with the iPhone X.

01:40:47   So instead of Control Center being part

01:40:50   like the spaces area when you do the four finger swipe up. And now it's pulled down from the top

01:40:56   right. And it's like, oh, the camera, you know, the date is in the top left corner, and that stuff is

01:41:00   in the top right corner. And there's a conspicuous space missing in the middle. I wonder, wonder where

01:41:07   why that could be. But in addition to all this, it means that when you're swiping up from the bottom,

01:41:12   it treats it like you would in an iPhone 10, where it automatically goes home. And this is a problem

01:41:18   because prior to this, if you did a swipe up from the bottom, you would get the dock. And then if

01:41:24   you continued swiping up from the bottom, you would go home. But the initial like one flick up

01:41:30   is just to pull the dock up so that you could swap apps. And what I've been doing pretty much

01:41:35   constantly since I installed this on my iPad is going to flick up to the dock and then sending it

01:41:41   back home and then reopening the app and then flicking up the dock and sending it back. So it

01:41:45   - Just to be clear, a small flick does still bring up

01:41:48   the dock and a larger flick does the iPhone 10 style

01:41:53   start to go home?

01:41:54   - Sort of.

01:41:55   If you do an up flick and you keep your finger

01:41:58   on the display, it will pull up the dock.

01:42:01   But if you flick and lift your finger off the display,

01:42:04   it will send it all the way home.

01:42:05   - Gotcha.

01:42:06   - And that is the annoyance.

01:42:08   - But what about multitasking?

01:42:09   Multitasking is still, can you swipe up

01:42:12   to get to multitasking or?

01:42:14   - Yeah, you can still do a four finger swipe

01:42:16   to get to the multitasking screen.

01:42:18   Yeah, the multi-finger swipes are all mostly intact.

01:42:22   Split view and slide over and all of that

01:42:25   seems to all work pretty much identically.

01:42:27   It's just the dock issue.

01:42:29   And I have to assume that this is just some tweaking

01:42:31   that will get fixed in beta.

01:42:33   Like I'm not gonna panic about it

01:42:34   until we've gotten a couple betas in.

01:42:36   'Cause clearly like it's gonna be a different,

01:42:40   when you associate the same swipe gesture

01:42:42   with two different things,

01:42:44   it's a little bit difficult.

01:42:45   It's kind of like with the iPhone 10,

01:42:47   having the upward swipe gesture close an app,

01:42:49   but also like if you do it halfway,

01:42:51   you can go into multitasking mode, right?

01:42:53   Or swiping along the bottom, you could switch apps.

01:42:56   Like these things, they can move them over to the iPad

01:43:00   for whatever reason they might want to,

01:43:03   but it's gonna take some time, right?

01:43:05   It's gonna, they're gonna have to plug everything together.

01:43:09   - Last but not least, there's the new Apple Books app

01:43:12   replacing the old iBooks app.

01:43:15   - So this one is interesting.

01:43:17   This one I think might end up being the hidden

01:43:19   like unsung feature of iOS 12.

01:43:20   'Cause it didn't get, you know,

01:43:21   it got no screen time basically on the keynote.

01:43:23   Like it was up as like, "Oh look, new, new books app,

01:43:26   new font."

01:43:27   Which is called SF Serif.

01:43:29   - They spent more time talking about the name change.

01:43:32   They really did.

01:43:33   - I know, I know.

01:43:34   They're like, "Oh yeah, and it has all these things.

01:43:36   Next, let's talk about stocks."

01:43:38   No, it's so Apple Books.

01:43:41   It's now Apple Books instead of iBooks,

01:43:42   which I think makes sense.

01:43:44   Been expecting that name change for a while.

01:43:46   Has a new font for the headers

01:43:50   that's now called SF Serif, and it's beautiful.

01:43:53   It's a really beautiful Serif font.

01:43:55   But the biggest deal about Apple Books

01:43:58   is it's just like the reading experience itself

01:44:00   is almost identical.

01:44:02   It pretty much looks exactly the same as iOS 11,

01:44:05   but everything around the reading experience,

01:44:07   like buying books and organizing books

01:44:09   and choosing books you wanna read

01:44:11   and saying that you finished books,

01:44:12   all of these things are now built into the app.

01:44:14   It's like they took all the features of Goodreads

01:44:17   and then they're like, all right,

01:44:18   how can we make this usable and interesting to people?

01:44:22   So now when you launch the book apps,

01:44:24   you have this beautiful like reading now screen

01:44:27   and it shows the book that you're currently reading

01:44:29   as well as like how far you're into it

01:44:31   and either it shows the cover if you haven't opened it

01:44:33   in the last 24 hours or it actually has it open

01:44:35   to the specific page.

01:44:37   And it uses a lot of the horizontal scrolls

01:44:40   that the new App Store kind of premiered last year

01:44:43   with iOS 11.

01:44:44   And it's such a smart design, in my opinion.

01:44:48   Like obviously, I've had two weeks with it,

01:44:51   but I have been reading,

01:44:52   like I read a lot of books on my iPhone.

01:44:54   It's basically the thing I do before I go to sleep

01:44:57   and like when I'm standing in lines and things like that.

01:44:59   I enjoy reading a lot

01:45:01   and reading on the OLED screen is really easy.

01:45:03   And the reading experience and just managing books,

01:45:07   the fact that there's a new want to read section

01:45:10   that you can tag for either books you already own

01:45:12   or books you wanna look at in the store.

01:45:14   And it just displays immediately

01:45:16   under that Reading Now section.

01:45:17   So if you wanna find a, if you're like,

01:45:18   "Oh yeah, someone told me to read that book,"

01:45:20   I can just throw it on my Want to Read list.

01:45:22   And I don't have to buy it, I don't have to tag,

01:45:24   like it's literally just press a button

01:45:26   and it goes down onto Want to Read

01:45:28   and I can look at it another time.

01:45:30   But there's also, there's this new Finished collection.

01:45:34   And the Finished collection,

01:45:35   like the Want to Read collection,

01:45:37   you can tag any book, whether or not you own it.

01:45:39   which means that you, I go back to the Goodreads comparison,

01:45:42   it's like I'm thinking about,

01:45:44   and I've been doing this the last week,

01:45:46   where it's like all of these books that I have on my shelf

01:45:48   that I didn't buy digitally, and I'm like,

01:45:50   I don't want to buy them digitally,

01:45:52   I don't wanna rebuy the same book,

01:45:54   but I can indicate in the app, like, I've read this already.

01:45:58   And then you get this beautiful timeline

01:46:01   that's like, you read this book now,

01:46:02   you read this book two weeks ago,

01:46:04   and you can actually see the pace that you're reading books

01:46:07   and how often you're reading,

01:46:08   and all, like it's just, it's a lot of really smart features.

01:46:12   And it's also heralds the return of a bit of skeuomorphism, for lack of a

01:46:18   better word, where the actual books have a bit of a, not even really a bit.

01:46:23   I mean, they're very much looked like hardcover books with a spine and lighting

01:46:27   effects and, you know, I think anybody who's had the patience would realize

01:46:34   that after the great flattening of iOS 7,

01:46:37   that the dial would ease back up eventually

01:46:42   throughout the OS.

01:46:43   There's a drop shadow behind the books as well.

01:46:46   Looks good.

01:46:47   - Yes, it looks really nice.

01:46:48   - I am not sold on SF Serif.

01:46:51   I don't hate it.

01:46:54   I don't know that I love it, but it might be,

01:46:56   I think it's growing, the more I see it,

01:46:58   the more it grows on me, and it does.

01:47:00   As soon as I saw it in a slide,

01:47:01   the first slide that came up,

01:47:03   And of course, I admit it was like, that's new.

01:47:05   It was like the first thing I remember with the watch too.

01:47:09   Where I thought, Oh, they're using Din. And then I immediately thought, Oh,

01:47:15   that's not Din.

01:47:16   That's a new font.

01:47:19   Right. But do you know, a friend at Apple told me that like internally before they

01:47:23   had officially named San Francisco, it was at least some designers who had seen

01:47:26   it and knew that we're calling it Dinvetica. Which if you look at Din and

01:47:32   Helvetica and then look at on two sides and then look at San Francisco in the middle is

01:47:37   actually pretty apt.

01:47:39   It's very similar.

01:47:40   Yeah.

01:47:41   And I looked at it. As soon as I saw this font, I was like, "Oh, I guarantee you that's

01:47:45   called San Francisco Serif." It is absolutely, in terms of the X height and a couple of other

01:47:52   features of it, it was like, "Oh, that's a sibling to San Francisco, the Serif font

01:47:56   Or in sans-serif font. So I think it fits in that regard and if any app deserves to have

01:48:01   Seraphon, it would be the books app

01:48:04   Yeah, I mean it's it's funny because when I first looked at it and it uses a lot of black and white and even you

01:48:10   Know and it uses a sort of a dark mode when you're in dark lighting and it inverts in a really smart way

01:48:16   It just looks like the first time I saw it I was like, oh it feels like a newspaper

01:48:21   You know

01:48:22   It feels like old school, like I thought New York Times the first time I saw it.

01:48:26   But then the more I look at it, the more I'm like, no, actually, it feels like Boston's

01:48:30   public library a little bit. Like it has that kind of, it just has a stature to it. And the bookstore,

01:48:36   I don't know if you ever went into the bookstore and not just through the search screen of the

01:48:40   iOS 11 app, but the bookstore and the audiobookstore were just some of the most cramped, unfriendly,

01:48:46   like, felt so gross, especially compared to the new app store. It just, it was so crowded. Like,

01:48:52   Like you couldn't tell anything and like it was really hard to figure stuff out.

01:48:55   And there are clearly smart collections being put together by the books crew, but you just

01:48:59   couldn't read any, like you could not read anything in the reading store.

01:49:04   And this, they've really, it feels much simpler in a way because everything's so big and bold

01:49:10   and like you can see the covers and they've made these horizontal scrolls and all that.

01:49:15   But it doesn't like, I've been comparing it to the iOS 11 app and they're really, they

01:49:19   haven't lost any feature like parody like there's all of the stuff is still there. It's

01:49:25   just organized in a much more pleasant way. Yeah. My big fear when they rushed through

01:49:32   it in the keynote and he didn't really examine the app was I remember thinking, boy, I hope

01:49:38   this is like the new App Store app. And I hope it's not like the first version of Apple

01:49:44   music. Oh, yeah. And I would say it's exactly it. It is in terms of it, at least for me,

01:49:52   and I know there were many others that at least the first version of Apple music felt

01:49:55   can, I often felt lost. I often felt like, what am I looking at here? Is this my music?

01:50:02   Is this just music I have access to? Am I am I in a store? Where am I? I don't find

01:50:08   that at all in the new books. It's like, here's the stuff you're reading. Here's the stuff

01:50:11   you own, you know, reading now, library, then there's a bookstore, an audio bookstore, and

01:50:16   then there's search. Like, boy, if those aren't the five sections that I want in the Apple

01:50:21   Books app, I couldn't imagine a better selection.

01:50:25   Yeah, it's a it's really nicely organized.

01:50:28   Yeah. And the one that I the one that I wouldn't have thought of before is the reading now,

01:50:31   right? Because the old way was you had you had the old the old app was sort of organized

01:50:36   like a coin, where on the one face was your library and then—and literally it even had

01:50:41   an animation originally where it would just spin around and then on the other side was

01:50:45   the store. So it's like, here's what you have, here's what you can get, and then

01:50:50   you would just flip between the two. But, you know, once you assemble more than a handful

01:50:55   of books in your library, managing the ones you're actually, you know, currently reading,

01:51:00   it wasn't great. And having a separate section for that is perfect. It's the digital equivalent

01:51:05   of like the books on your bedside table versus the books that you have on your shelf.

01:51:09   Yeah, that's it. Exactly. And it just, it allows you so much more easily to actually

01:51:14   find what you want it to read.

01:51:15   Yep. All right. Let me take another break and thank our third and final sponsor of this

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01:56:02   program all right we're two hours in we still haven't gotten to the Mac this

01:56:09   This isn't gonna work.

01:56:10   We're not gonna get to all of this.

01:56:11   - No, we're gonna have to speed run the rest of it.

01:56:14   - All right, Mac OS 10.14 Mojave.

01:56:17   First thing I'm gonna say, dark mode.

01:56:19   So I've got that installed.

01:56:20   I put it on, I'm not a nut,

01:56:22   I did not install it on the main startup drive,

01:56:24   but I put it on an external USB drive

01:56:27   and actually did it from default.

01:56:29   I didn't like upgrade an old image or something like that.

01:56:31   I was like, give me the, you know.

01:56:33   - Interesting.

01:56:33   - Give me the factory fresh. - The native experience.

01:56:36   - And I went dark mode.

01:56:38   Not, I don't really care for it.

01:56:42   I can see why people like it.

01:56:44   I know it was by far and away, this is baffling to me,

01:56:46   by far and away the biggest applause line

01:56:48   of the entire keynote was macOS dark mode.

01:56:51   I find that using it system-wide, it is,

01:56:57   and I'm somebody who has used BB Edit,

01:56:59   my text editor of choice, in a dark mode

01:57:02   for somewhere, most of, I would say 95% of the time

01:57:07   for the last 16, 17 years,

01:57:11   whenever it was that BBEd at first supported

01:57:13   having a dark background and light colors.

01:57:16   Big fan of it for text editing.

01:57:17   So I know why developers maybe wanted it.

01:57:20   But as a system-wide color,

01:57:23   I find that it's really hard to see where windows overlap.

01:57:27   And I found that tabs in Safari, it's really hard to tell.

01:57:34   And part of this might be my somewhat declining eyesight.

01:57:37   Maybe I would feel differently 10, 20 years ago

01:57:41   when I had perfect 20/20 vision.

01:57:43   But I found it hard to see which tab is active in Safari.

01:57:48   But the big one is just overlapping windows.

01:57:51   They all just look like one big black mass to me.

01:57:54   I don't see the edge.

01:57:55   And that's because I was thinking about it.

01:57:57   But with the regular light background color scheme,

01:58:01   you get these shadows that show you

01:58:03   where the window borders are.

01:58:05   And I've quite frankly have long wished for,

01:58:09   maybe I'll get it someday, but for a Mac OS X update

01:58:12   that makes darker shadows that have less distance.

01:58:17   - They're a little bit closer.

01:58:19   - Yeah.

01:58:20   Just, and I could be wrong, maybe that wouldn't look good.

01:58:25   But anyway, but with the dark mode,

01:58:28   there's no such thing as a light shadow, right?

01:58:31   so there's no lighter shadow that indicates it.

01:58:35   So you don't really have shadows

01:58:36   to indicate the tiling depth of Windows.

01:58:40   And to me, the way I work, especially on my iMac 5K,

01:58:45   that's a huge part of the way I work.

01:58:48   And really, on my 13-inch MacBook Pro,

01:58:52   it's less of an issue

01:58:53   'cause I'm effectively close to full-screen mode

01:58:56   in just about every app I use.

01:58:58   But even so, what I usually do is have it open

01:59:00   most of the way, and then on the right side of the screen,

01:59:04   I have like a little bit of a Twitter window sticking out.

01:59:06   But when I'm in dark mode, you don't really see that.

01:59:09   - No, it all just kind of blends together.

01:59:12   I agree with you, and I wasn't expecting to,

01:59:14   'cause I love the dark toolbar,

01:59:16   and I tend to like darker windows and darker apps.

01:59:20   But it really, I don't know if it's just

01:59:23   that the highlight color, like the whitish gray,

01:59:25   isn't the right shade, and it's just messing

01:59:28   with my eyes a little bit. But there's just something like

01:59:31   especially Safari is wigging me out, I think, in part because

01:59:35   I've I've gotten used to safaris dark window as being a private

01:59:38   window. Right for so long. Yes. So I'm like, have wiggling out.

01:59:43   I'm like, did I open a private window? Like, am I searching the

01:59:45   right thing? Maybe I haven't tried opening a private window

01:59:48   in dark mode. Maybe it opens a white window. But I know what it

01:59:51   does is it opens a dark window with a white URL bar. You know,

01:59:55   with the location field.

01:59:57   - Yeah, that's confusing.

01:59:59   Yeah, I just, I don't know.

02:00:02   I understand why it took them so long to implement this

02:00:05   because there are a lot of very specific UI decisions

02:00:09   that you kind of have to make for this.

02:00:11   And I really, I appreciate the fact that like

02:00:13   the dark changes as you like move it around

02:00:17   certain backgrounds, like it does take on some

02:00:19   of the highlight colorations of whatever is behind it,

02:00:22   but I just don't love it.

02:00:25   I don't love it like I was expecting to.

02:00:26   I'm really shocked by that.

02:00:28   - And they say, this is inspired by our pro users,

02:00:31   meant for everybody, this dark mode.

02:00:32   And that pro users, pro audio, video, you name it tools

02:00:37   for decades have had usually been a dark background

02:00:42   on light, with light text.

02:00:44   And with your editing video or your editing photos,

02:00:51   it's obvious because it makes the actual content pop, you know, that the white background can really

02:00:57   glowing bright LCD screen or, you know, it can be distracting from the images. But the other thing

02:01:07   about those apps is those apps are usually run full screen or nearly full screen. Like that to

02:01:14   to me and I didn't really think about that.

02:01:16   - But you don't get the overlap, yeah.

02:01:21   - So what I kind of wish after having played with this

02:01:24   over the weekend and used it,

02:01:25   is I really wish that I could apply this

02:01:27   on an app by app basis.

02:01:29   I would like to tell photos to run in dark mode

02:01:32   for those reasons.

02:01:35   And the reason is, I swear it sounds like a little thing

02:01:38   and I get why people applauded this,

02:01:40   but it's the main thing.

02:01:41   A couple of years ago, I switched from Lightroom to Photos.

02:01:44   And there's a ton of features I miss.

02:01:47   I mean, the tip of the iceberg--

02:01:49   They're different apps.

02:01:50   They're different apps.

02:01:51   And the surface, boy, oh, boy, I just

02:01:53   miss the way Lightroom looked.

02:01:55   It really felt like my photos popped so much more.

02:01:59   And I think there's a reason why when

02:02:02   you go into editing mode in Photos,

02:02:03   it switches to a dark mode.

02:02:05   Well, I wish it was dark mode all the time,

02:02:06   whether I was in editing mode or not.

02:02:10   But I get it.

02:02:11   But those pro apps, like I said, the thing that occurs to me

02:02:13   pro video editors. They're not running the Final Cut Pro 10 in a tiny little window overlap.

02:02:19   You know, they're full screen. It would go crazy. Yeah. Right. And then there's other things too,

02:02:23   like you open a new text edit document and you've got all this dark everywhere and then you've got

02:02:28   this bright white text. I don't I can't deal with that. And honestly, it's why I don't like Safari

02:02:35   and dark mode either is because it's just all of the there's the beautiful dark toolbar and

02:02:39   There's so much white.

02:02:41   It does look pretty though.

02:02:42   I will say that.

02:02:43   It does.

02:02:44   So if you put your Mac into what I would always call screenshot mode, like when Apple shows

02:02:48   off a new version of Mac OS X, it's always one window perfectly centered with no other.

02:02:54   You could always see huge swaths of your beautiful desktop picture, which I'm never in.

02:03:00   My computer is always covered with hundreds of windows.

02:03:05   When you only have one window open, oh, it looks cool as shit.

02:03:09   It definitely looks cool, but.

02:03:11   - But when you have everything overlaps, not so much.

02:03:14   - Yeah, marzipan apps.

02:03:17   So there's four apps that are written with iOS

02:03:19   or that are UI kit app.

02:03:21   This is Apple's name for it is this mouthful,

02:03:24   UI kit apps running on Mac.

02:03:27   News, stocks, home and voice memos.

02:03:30   Oh, I don't like this.

02:03:33   There's news and stocks seem mostly the same

02:03:36   and they're the ones that seem most more complete to me

02:03:39   make more sense. But I think it's really weird on the Mac when you open an article and it doesn't

02:03:43   open in your browser. It just opens right in the window you're in. It just feels unnatural to me.

02:03:50   The home app, it seemed broken. I couldn't even connect to my home pods even though they

02:03:57   did appear and they were listed. And I could just use my iOS device and perfectly control them.

02:04:03   But for some reason with the Mac, I mean, it's early, it's a beta.

02:04:08   But I'll put a link to the show notes. There are some bizarre iOS style dialogue boxes in the home

02:04:12   app that really look like an I like an iPhone app running in the simulator that I I'm not down with

02:04:19   this at all. Oh, yeah, I'll put those. I mean, hopefully, hopefully these things shake out,

02:04:25   right? I'm I'm hopeful that early beta and also as third party developers get their hands on things,

02:04:31   this will kind of smooth out a little bit. But it's been interesting to hear from people who

02:04:37   who currently develop iOS apps and like Electron apps,

02:04:41   who are like, well, this is interesting,

02:04:43   but also I still can't develop for the PC and the Mac,

02:04:47   so I'm still gonna keep my Electron app.

02:04:49   And I'm like, oh, okay.

02:04:51   - Right, like that's, I said that at my live show last week,

02:04:55   that's my hope is that, okay,

02:04:56   you're not gonna write a real Mac app,

02:04:58   but you do have a web app and you do have an iOS app.

02:05:02   And so if you're gonna have to move one of those to the Mac,

02:05:05   why not just move the iOS app?

02:05:07   And I think that would be better.

02:05:09   But the problem is if you still wanna have a Windows app

02:05:12   and whatever other desktop platforms like Chrome

02:05:14   that you might wanna cover,

02:05:16   they might say, "Ah, we'll stick with Electron."

02:05:18   I think it's-- - Yeah, you're still

02:05:18   kind of up to the screen.

02:05:20   - I think maybe the best that we can hope for in practice

02:05:22   won't be that companies that have big monolithic

02:05:25   Electron apps that are god-awful like Slack

02:05:28   and the new Skype to name two that I can't stand.

02:05:32   - Just are painful, yeah.

02:05:34   will go back to the drawing board and move their iOS apps over. But maybe as we move

02:05:38   forward in the years to come that future companies that haven't gone down the electron road

02:05:44   yet for the Mac will go this way instead. So don't think so much about rewriting current

02:05:50   electron monstrosities, but maybe as we go forward and new companies come out like these

02:05:56   scooters.

02:05:57   I'm going to cross my fingers and hope for it. Yeah, a bird for the Mac.

02:06:00   I thought the end of voice memos app unless I'm missing something is just unbelievably unfinished.

02:06:06   Like it really buggy as hell and confusing. So I don't even want to talk about it because I'm just

02:06:11   going to assume that this isn't even close to what it's going to ship as it's it's a beta. And also,

02:06:15   I mean, voice memos has never been particularly fancy on iOS to begin with. Right? Like,

02:06:22   I'm kind of assuming that they're going to smooth it all over. Really, the only thing I care about

02:06:26   Is that it'll eventually have iCloud syncing and I can move my voice memos from my iPhone to my Mac without anything crazy

02:06:32   All right, tvOS. They didn't really announce anything for tvOS

02:06:36   Sorry developers

02:06:43   All we're gonna do is talk about the things you can get if you're using this one internet provider called spectrum

02:06:49   Like two weeks ago

02:06:54   Probably in like New York and LA and that's it. And then here we go

02:06:57   We got a wrap up but we can talk about watch OS 5 for a minute or two

02:07:01   The walkie-talkie feature not working yet. What are we wasn't really even working in demos?

02:07:08   But I think it could be really useful I could really imagine this as

02:07:15   as like the ideal like Jonas is upstairs in his bedroom playing video games and I want to tell him it's time for you know

02:07:23   time to come down for dinner, this seems like the way to do it. Like a walkie talkie call

02:07:28   seems like a really lightweight way. And my analogy would be that the walkie talkie calls

02:07:34   feel like they are to a phone call what a text message is to an email.

02:07:40   Yes. Right. And you know, 100% agree. An email is formal. You have a subject line and you

02:07:45   put your signature at the end of it. You know, and a text is just a text.

02:07:50   Well, I really love the idea from a business perspective, honestly. Like, I'm thinking

02:07:55   about it in, like, not necessarily hospitals, but in areas where, like, you need to quickly

02:08:00   check up on something. And, like, in the past, like, I might send an email, and that would

02:08:05   take forever. And I might send a text to somebody I know really well. But that also might, you

02:08:09   know, I feel like this is the more urgent version of a text that isn't going to get

02:08:14   lost in your email box.

02:08:15   Right.

02:08:16   Where it's just like, "Hey, can you talk right this second? Yeah, I can talk right

02:08:19   the second, "Hey, is this still this?" And then you're like, "Yep, yep, that's it."

02:08:23   And then you've saved yourself a trip of walking over to their office or whatever.

02:08:27   Right. All right, that's a wrap. I thank you for your time, Serenity. That was a pretty

02:08:33   good wrap-up of WWDC.

02:08:34   Yeah.

02:08:35   It was good seeing you. Good talking to you.

02:08:39   Likewise.

02:08:40   Everybody can read Serenity's fine work at iMore.com, and they can catch her on Twitter

02:08:45   as @Cettern. Thank you.