224: ‘AirPower, What’s That?’ With Serenity Caldwell
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I just got a Mojave alert from Skype asking me to use my microphone. So hopefully it actually works
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You're doing this on Mojave. Yeah
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You know what they say about you know, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger
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You are very brave I
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Do have Mojave installed but I have it installed on an external USB drive for my iMac
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That was the smart way to go about things. Honestly, it's been it's been pretty solid it is
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I've just run into, yeah.
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It and iOS 12 both, I've been impressed.
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I think there is something to the sort of a focus
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on bug fixed ability type stuff.
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I mean, both, you know, Federighi said it on stage
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at WWDC for iOS.
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It was the first thing he mentioned about iOS 12.
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Gurman had a leaked sort of engineering staff meeting
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from months ago where this was brought up.
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And I think it kind of shows in these betas,
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especially the fact that both of them are,
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both Mac and iOS are both sort of universally held up
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as far as I can tell,
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as some of the most stable WWDC betas in memory.
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- Yeah, I mean, I can definitely attest to that.
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Considering, I don't know,
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how long have you been running betas on your phone?
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'Cause I feel like I've been doing it
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at least since 2012, 2011.
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And usually it's like the first month just sucks.
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- Yeah. - Like you just say goodbye
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to that phone really working in the interest
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of playing around or in our case,
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writing about new features.
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- Well, and the WWDC build ones are bad,
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notoriously bad for two reasons.
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One, they're the first ones that come outside Apple.
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And second, there's a hard and fast date.
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They have to, at some point on Sunday,
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the day before the keynote that they've got to say,
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this is the GM build, you know,
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you know, we know about X, Y, and Z,
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but hey, these things are, you know,
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Craig or Phil or somebody is going to stand on stage
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and say, this is gonna be available after the keynote.
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And so it's going to be available after the keynote.
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So it's understandable.
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- Yeah, we kind of have to log it.
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Did you read the watchOS 5 release notes?
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'Cause those are excellent.
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- No, I did not.
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Tell me about that.
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The developer release notes, which I don't think are behind the firewall, so hopefully
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I'm not breaking NDA to talk about it.
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Well, there's no NDA anymore.
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Yeah, that's true.
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That's true.
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No screenshots NDA.
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But yeah, but the developer release notes are essentially like, "This doesn't work.
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This doesn't work.
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Walkie-talkie's not in this build yet.
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Don't try sending Apple Pay to your friends via messages on your Apple Watch, because
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it's not going to work.
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If you try this specific combination of things
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on your Apple Watch, you'll probably kernel panic it.
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It was just like a long list of like,
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be careful about this, don't do this.
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If you're gonna do this, do it this way.
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I'm like, yeah, this in combination with the fact
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that the watch is pretty much impossible to reset
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if you brick it.
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People wonder why the watch doesn't have a public beta,
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and I'm like, well, this is a great reason why.
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- The watch is still, I mean, again,
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We can get to WWDC news soon, but the watch in general is still such a pain in the ass
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to update at all.
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Like it's gotten better.
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Like the first time like the fight with the original watch, the first time there was a
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software update, I was convinced it was bricked.
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I was like, there is no possible way that this, this slow spinner around the outside,
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you know, like spinning to complete a circle is supposed to take this long.
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And I'm like, look, it's stuck, it's stuck.
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It stuck at like seven o'clock and I like put my finger at the tick mark where it was
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and just waited for it to move just one more tick.
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And then finally it moved.
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I was like, okay, it's not stuck.
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And then it like completes the circle.
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The screen goes black and then it starts another circle.
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And it's like, oh.
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And it's just the secondary circle.
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Now I'm really screwed.
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So it's way better than it was then, but it still takes seemingly so long.
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just seems like there's never a good time to like update your watch unless you you know and and it's
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like you kind of have to babysit it and it has to be on a charger and you know i tend to keep my
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charger up in the bedroom and it's the only place i really need one on a regular basis and i'm like
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i don't want to go up to the bedroom like there's got to be a watch charger around here somewhere
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and no i can't find one if only apple had released that that air power charging station then you
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You could have just charged your watch. Oh, well, I just did you see that? I just linked to that
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No, just right before we started the show. I just I just posted it. That's like you're we're in sync
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I just posted an item on during fireball where the heck is
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Oh my gosh, I I just assume it just got lost in in the move to Apple Park
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It's in a box somewhere and they're like, oh our final design proves we want to approve them, but they're they're all buried
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I don't know something is I don't want to go deep on it. But I mean something clearly I think has gone very wrong with that product
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yeah, well, I mean it's a it's a tricky one right because
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Supporting supporting the iPhone is a pretty standard like cut-and-dry thing because of the standards and everything else
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But they really kind of I feel like they bit off a couple of extra things where they're like and it's gonna work with the
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software so that your iPhone will tell you all of the things that are charging and it's gonna charge the watch with no extra
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"extra fiddly diddly bits, and we're gonna release
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"a new AirPods case that's gonna work with it."
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I'm just like, maybe you start with just saying,
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"It's gonna charge the iPhone,
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"and it can charge two iPhones at once."
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And then you add the extra things,
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'cause I think the extra things are probably getting,
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like, my pet theory now is that AirPower
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is gonna come out with a watch, the Series 4 watch,
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and they're just gonna say it's Series 4 and above,
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because trying to get it to work with a Series 3
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has been such a pain.
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That's just my pet. I have no inside information on this, but it's just my pet theory of
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it's probably the watch. If I had to guess anything, it's probably the watch.
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My fear is that they've got production units and they're like, "All right,
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go through the testing," and set up a hundred of them and two phones catch on fire.
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I don't know. I don't know. It just seems... I don't know. It just... I don't know.
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It's a weird one. It's a very it's a very weird one, especially
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They haven't really they never released a like this will be out later, right? Because they've done that on some products before where they're like
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We know we said this but it's going to be out a little bit later. I don't remember them doing it for air power. Uh, the worst
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Misqueues that I can remember the single worst one I can remember is the white iphone 4 the white iphone 4
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That was my first one too didn't come out was supposed to come out or the black one came out at the end of june
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And that was the last phone that came out at the end of June because the 4s was the first one
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That moves you to the temple what actually moved to October. Yeah, that's right
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But I think it was supposed to be September, you know, and it was just held up but
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The white iPhone 4 didn't ship until I think late April
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Possibly even early May so it was at least like nine months late might have been ten months late
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And even though even though it was 10 months late, it wasn't like the new ones came out two months later, but we didn't know that, you know
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So that was the one year where Amy didn't get a new iPhone because she definitely wanted the white one
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So she was waiting for it and then on her hands. Yeah by the time she came out
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She was like I'm not buying a year-old phone. I mean that's
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$800 it's ridiculous. She knows better. Yeah, so that was a bad one. I mean that was really bad
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That was bad home pod had a delay but the delay was pretty well communicated I think yeah and
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home now air pods were
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That's right
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You know, they did make it before the end of the year
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I mean you could you know just barely like one one
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Production line made it before the end of the year and then they kind of eased up it what February but that's no that's that's the
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Nintendo playbook right like it's no different than a lot of other manufacturers
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We're just it feels weird to us because Apple is not usually one of these companies. That's like
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We're not gonna hit our shipping deadline
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like and so to see them do it just I don't know whether it instills fear or if it's just a
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Profound head scratching like what is going on?
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Yeah, I don't know. So I don't know I hope for Apple's sake they get it out before the September event
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I wouldn't be surprised
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You know how they ship the AirPower 2 update literally one week before WWDC?
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I kind of expect like, "Okay, here's AirPower one week before the iPhone announcement."
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I don't know.
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Thank God. We're going to have to start a betting pool on this. How many people think it'll be
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released before or how many people think it'll be released after and only with Watch Series 4 support?
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they just really just go try to, you know, go full denial like airpower. What's that?
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That was never a product. They just scrub it from the keynote.
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We've always been at war with East Asia.
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Exactly. It's totally. Oh my God. I'm drawing a blank on his name. What's his name?
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Author of 1984.
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Orwell. Geez, how I'm losing it here. Serenity.
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It's only Wednesday. It's only Wednesday, John. I know it's like WWDC
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was still recent, but he gets some sleep. I tell you what, I always forget how hard it is for me,
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at least, to catch up after WWDC. And I think it's the right way to do it, but I'm generally off.
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And it's a combination of things. Like Mondays, the keynote day is just crazy for me,
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because it's just keeping up. And it's always funny to me. This has been the case ever since
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I started going to WWDC where I always feel like one of the least informed people who follows Apple
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all day on Wednesday. I'll be meeting someone at six o'clock and they'll be mentioning something
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that wasn't in the keynote and it's big news. And I'm like, "What? They announced that?" And
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they're like, "Yeah, that came out at noon." And it was like, "What? I had no idea." I feel like
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I'm in this huge information vacuum where I'm just locked into what was in the keynote
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and trying to get all the details on it. Then Tuesday now, in recent years, I'm all consumed
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by my live show. And then by Wednesday, I'm trying to be social because it's like Tuesday
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and Monday, I was totally like—Monday I'm locked into the keynote and briefings. Tuesday,
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I'm in my panic vacuum, preparing for the show. And then Wednesday, I try to be sociable
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And Thursday, I just try to hang out and see people
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and bump into people and not be on the computer.
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And then I wind up with,
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usually I wind up most weeks with a lot of unread emails,
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but it's nothing like WWDC week.
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- WWDC week, I feel like is the week
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where all of my normal computing talents just go to hell.
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Because like you said, it's like there's so much,
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the joy of going to WWDC is talking to people in person
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and making those connections
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that you might not otherwise make.
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And especially if you have the pass, like being able--
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like I had a dev pass for the first time this year.
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And so I was like--
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the few moments of free time I had, I was like, all right,
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got to go check out these sessions.
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Got to go talk to these developers.
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Got to go like, you know, listen to these engineers,
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talk about pencil support and all of these things.
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Got to go talk with ADA winners.
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Got to go podcast in the fancy podcasting room.
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And then before you know it, it's Friday morning,
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and you're like, holy crow, did I really
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go through four days of appointments
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that were like 7 a.m. to 11 p.m.
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Like, you kind of blink and then you look at your computer
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or Twitter, Twitter's the worst,
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especially on, I feel like, on keynote day,
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because, you know, like,
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I know you don't really live blog it so much, but like--
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- No, no, the opposite, really.
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- Yeah, you just like take it in.
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I take it in by live blogging for iMore.
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So I'm like, I basically turn off my main feed
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and just focus on like writing for about two hours straight,
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and then leave Twitter alone while I'm like running around
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and get talking to people and digging into those betas
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so I can find out about that weird feature
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you hear about on Monday afternoon or Monday evening.
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And then by the time I actually touch Twitter again,
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it's like 1500 new tweets.
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And normally, I would just declare Twitter bankruptcy.
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And just, you know, like I've done this before
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I've gone on derby tournaments, right? And I come back and I'm like, I don't want to read this weekend stuff. But Monday, I feel an like an obsessive need to go through this in the hopes of like someone will have spotted something that I missed. Usually, like this year, it was really just like, alright, Steve Trotton Smith, Steve Trotton Smith, like Guillermo Rambo, Steve Trotton Smith.
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No, but it's really helpful, at least for me on Mondays,
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to go through that and find what other people have grabbed
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while researching various things,
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'cause it allows me to put together the full picture,
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but it also means that I'm reading 1,500 tweets
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at 11 p.m. on Monday, and then I don't get to sleep
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until two, and then I have a thing at 6.30
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the next morning.
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So it's, yeah, the email bankruptcy,
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the feeling of just your tech is completely killing you
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slowly is a very real one.
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I find that I really am. I know some people might think I'm exaggerating, but I truly
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am a preposterously bad email person. I really should hire someone I trust to have full access
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to my email. I really should have an assistant who I trust to literally have access to all
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of my email and to go through and read it every day and at least call out anything that's
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say, "Holy crap, this one's important." Because I'll just go days and there'll be truly important
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Well, if something was really important, I feel like they would find a way to get in
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contact with you via text. That's kind of how I've lived my life for the last nine months
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is like if someone hasn't pinged me on Slack or on iMessage, it's probably not life-threateningly
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important. And for all of the things, there's the VIP box. But imagine, I don't know, imagine,
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imagine that you're searching for something else in email. And you've, you know, how you're
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searching for something. And you know, how you get like a weird list, and it might contain things you
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don't think. And I see something totally unrelated to what I'm looking for. But the from address is,
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let's say, a very famous person,
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who everybody's listening to the show knows exactly who they are and that this person
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sent me a very complimentary and kind email and it was five months old.
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I never saw it. That's the—that happened to me about a week ago.
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And you don't get a second email about something like that.
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Like, so urgent emails, yes, somebody will figure out a way to get it. Important emails,
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not always, but I'm very bad at it. But one reason I've gotten worse at it is because of Twitter.
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And it's because I love how if I do want to catch up on Twitter, and for me, I never catch up on my
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timeline, it's impossible. I've many, many years ago realized Twitter was more better for me if I
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I just follow more people than I could ever hopefully complete.
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But I do try to be a completionist or near completionist on mentions to @Gruber and @DaringFireball.
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And I sort of treat them like email.
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If you can fit a comment to me about a Daring Fireball article in a Twitter mention, and
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you're willing to—obviously that's public, not private.
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you're 10 times more likely for me to actually read it
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if you do it on Twitter than if you send it as an email.
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But part of it is that all I have to do is scroll.
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I just scroll and I read and there's never anything to open.
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it just makes it so much harder.
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then you go back and it just seems so much more
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Whereas catching up on Twitter, it might take a while.
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even with the expanded character limit,
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Twitter is still short, right?
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Like there are emails in my inbox right now
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that are like seven paragraphs long.
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And you can't, if you're given the choice
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between reading one email that's seven paragraphs long
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or finishing 20 tweets that are 140 to 240 characters long,
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Like, who am I gonna improve their life
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or be able to help people?
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It's far more likely that I'm gonna be able
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to do it on Twitter than read this email
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and feel, usually emails that are that long
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are like how-tos or questions or things like that.
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Like, I feel for this person, but I'm also like,
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the answer that you're looking for is basically an article.
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Like, I can't, I wanna help you,
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but instead of actually being able to help you in email,
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I'm literally gonna take your question
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'cause that's the only way I can figure out
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how to actually do it if I have the time, right?
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It's just-- - I will say this.
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I owe Twitter an apology, or I should write about this
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on "Dare Fireball," but I'll get it off my chest here
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on the show first, is that when they first switched
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from 140 to 280, I was against it publicly.
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I thought this was a bad idea and that the terseness
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of 140 was essential to what made Twitter Twitter.
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And getting your thoughts into 140 truly is an art.
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And like a couple of the other people who I retweeted
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as being opposed to this were unsurprisingly
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well-known writers, J.K. Rowling, Stephen King.
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I mean, there you go, J.K. Rowling and Stephen King.
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I mean, there's probably the two most successful
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and talented writers of the last, of my lifetime.
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And both, you know, pretty much,
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Maybe Stephen King retweeted JK Rowling, but they were in complete agreement that it's,
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you know, there was a certain genius to it.
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But you know what?
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Not everybody is as talented as JK Rowling or Stephen King.
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And I have to admit it now living with the 280 limit now for months, it hasn't wrecked
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Twitter and I use it.
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For weeks, I stubbornly insisted on only tweeting up to 140 characters and like doing the math,
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looking at my little character counter and if it went over 140, even though I could hit post,
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I would not. And then I gave up on that, realized I was being stubbornly silly. And it's good. It
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is a good thing. But 280 is a really interesting limit. Boy, if everybody who sent email to me
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tried to keep it under 280 characters, I'd have a lot fewer unread emails.
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Yeah, well, it's just, it's a good size, right? And I'm with you, honestly, I was a little bit
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skeptical of the increase in character limit at first, but I find myself using it constantly,
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again, for like, for the bite size things that I don't necessarily want to write in full posts,
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but it's really, it's especially during keynote time and live blogging or commenting on somebody
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else's post, it just, it makes it so much easier for me to be like, getting my point across rather
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than what I used to do in the 140 character limit, which is like, really cool article,
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fascinating read. Like, that's not really helpful. But when I actually get to talk about the article
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and be like, wow, this portrayal of AI is a really interesting, like, look into both our political
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mindset and where we are right now. Like that, that actually I feel like maybe that gets more
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people to read it. I don't know. I don't know. Or the other thing I run into a lot, I don't think
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I get close to 280 a lot, but the thing I notice a lot is I'll think I'll have like a thing. All
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right, I'm not going to post it to during fireball, but I want to tweet this link and I'll think of
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something to say about it. And I'm like, whew, under 140. And then there's no room for the URL.
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And it's like, geez, what am I? And then you start butchering your stuff.
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Sometimes that leads to a better tweet, but most times it just leads to you taking out context,
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- Right, or spelling the word especially ESP dot,
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All right, so here's the thing.
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WWC I got to get this off my chest. There's a
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Day you went around San Jose all day now you say you were busy you you must have been but there's how put this tweet
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In the show note, but you really did you rode around San Jose wearing roller skates. I
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Did I did second year in a row?
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Do you think that works that works in San Jose in a way that it wouldn't work in San Francisco, I think Oh completely
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- Completely.
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For one thing, because the sidewalks and just in general,
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the streets are a lot cleaner and flatter
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than they are in San Francisco.
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Like I think about where I used to,
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I used to stay at Park 53 for many years,
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going to WWDC. - Park 55.
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- Five, Park 55.
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I don't know where 53 came out.
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Anyway, Park 55, yeah, I used to stay up there
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And I just think about like the big, the giant, like brick plaza that you have to cross.
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And I'm just like, no, I would die.
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Like I can skate on bricks, but I, that, that does not seem like an enjoyable way to get
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around that seems like torturing my feet.
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Or whatever you'd have to do to get that safely down a pretty steep hill with roller skates.
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I, you know, I have, I have skated in San Francisco before on roller skates and it was
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was really not pleasant because at the time I didn't really even know how to stop properly
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with edges. So I was constantly like rolling down the hill and then turning backwards to
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try and use like a backwards toe stop while I'm like halfway propped up. Anyway, needless
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to say, not a good experience. I vastly prefer San Jose.
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So interesting way to get around. San Jose is interesting as a pedestrian because most
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Most of it is eminently pedestrian friendly, low traffic, flat.
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A lot of the streets in the area are almost no traffic.
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But like the main street, the one that the convention centers on, what does that, I don't
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even know what the name of it is, is it Market Street?
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I don't know.
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Yeah, it's either Market or Sand something.
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And that corner, like past the Marriott, it's like, you know, like between the Marriott
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And the building where the the California theater is is one of the worst pedestrian
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Intersections I've ever seen in my entire life
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So weird the lights take forever. The street is incredibly wide Apple obviously got them to shut it down
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with police cars for the keynote day, right like they I mean that's they
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I'm sure because it's just too dangerous to handle a crowd.
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It's just a terrible, terrible intersection.
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And then you combine that with the fact
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that there's high-speed trains that go through the middle.
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Not like trolleys, not trolleys.
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Like actual trains.
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And I sit there, I'm not above jaywalking on a street
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that seems jaywalking friendly.
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That's an East Coast thing.
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But you develop a sixth sense of this is a street where,
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look, if there's no cars coming,
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you can just go, it doesn't matter what the light says.
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Not that street, right?
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- That street has too many variables.
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- Right, and you're taking-- - They're the trains,
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they're the turning cars, they're ugh.
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- You see a bunch of obvious WWDC types,
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or alt-conf for type, you know, but somebody who's here
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for the WWDC overall experience,
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and they're talking to each other,
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and they're looking at each other,
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and they're just crossing the street,
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and it's like, you guys have like a 10% chance
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of getting steamed by a train.
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- Well, especially, you know,
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and I was guilty of this a little bit,
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but especially walking around,
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a lot of people looking at their phones
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while crossing the street. - Oh yeah.
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Yeah, same or the same thing, right.
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You see somebody crossing that street with the phone
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and it is like, buddy, you're taking your life in your hands.
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- Yeah, or noise canceling headphones on.
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I'm just like, no, no.
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Of all the places to walk around
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with noise canceling headphones,
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the place with the giant train tracks
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where the trains come very erratically
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and don't sound very loud to begin with, no.
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- Did you ride the scooters?
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- I did not ride the scooters.
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I was very, like, I kept on looking at them.
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Like, the one day that I wasn't skating,
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I was like, hmm, I could get to Soho so much faster
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if I got a scooter.
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And then it was just downloading the app.
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- I did it a couple of times.
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Not too many, but it, 'cause it,
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going from my hotel to the convention center
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wasn't far enough to really justify it.
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And to get to the convention center,
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I had to cross that market street
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or whatever the hell it's called,
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and it just takes all the fun out of it.
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But they're pretty cool.
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I've heard this story.
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This is like a total thing that's happened in California
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and maybe a couple other cities since last year.
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Like last year, there were no scooter startups,
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and now there are a couple of competing
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many million dollar funded scooter startups, which sounds ridiculous. And I'd heard these stories
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that these scooter startups, they have, you know, the two in San Jose at least were Lime,
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L-I-M-E, like the fruit and bird. And they buy a bunch of electric scooters.
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They put them all over the city. You get their app and sign up so that that's how they charge you.
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And then when you want to ride one, it's sort of like in a locked state. You use their app,
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you scan a QR code on the bike or the scooter that you want. And it identifies this is scooter,
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you know, 1234. Okay, it's unlocked for you. You pay something like, I don't know, 35 cents a
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minute or 35. I don't know, some reasonably low price, I forget how they charge. And you just get
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on and go. And then when you're done, you just leave it wherever you don't have to find this is
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this is the part that that seemed silly to me when I first heard the story but it is absolutely true
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it's not like with the bikes you know like city bike and stuff like that which you know the u.s
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has had for years where there are uh the kiosks around the city like philadelphia has them and and
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you have to find one and then that's where the bike you know you put the bike in and it's like
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a special bike holder that is from the company and then you put it in there and it locks up
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No, with these scooters, you just abandon them wherever you want.
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Just tell the app that the app, tell the app, I'm done, and it locks back up. And the city's
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sidewalks are literally just riddled with random $500 electric scooters everywhere. They're
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everywhere. And people, a lot of people are extremely inconsiderate about how they park
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these things. Right. It is kind of... it is... they look like... it looks like the city is littered
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with scooters. And so I really was set to... I mean, the whole idea of scooter is just a silly word.
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And the fact that they... really, no exaggeration. They... I mean, they're just right in the middle
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of the pedestrian sidewalk. It's just crazy. Somebody left one at my hotel that was in the
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driveway like so like if you were driving up to get you know to like do
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valet parking at the hotel you would have to like get out of your car and move the
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scooter to the driveway like who thought that was a good place to leave a scooter
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like it's crazy but I have to say it is incredibly cheap and they are extremely
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fun to ride I mean really really fun because they go quite frankly
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dangerously fast. They're really fun. So I didn't ride one in San Jose, but I
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actually own an electric scooter, like an early generation electric scooter that I
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got after a CES as a, you know, a mime or thing. And I have this video, if I, I think
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I have it up online and I'll give it to you to put in the show notes if you really
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want. But yeah, it's literally my now husband and I, I was like, well, we're in,
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you know, suburban Boston area. And I'm like, there's no real way to place to ride this
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effectively. So I'm like, we're just gonna ride it up and down our like slightly slanted street
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and see how fast we can go, which seemed like a great idea at the time. And mostly it's just
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uncontrollable screaming. We're just like, wow. Like, you just don't expect it to go that fast.
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Like you're thinking, oh, it's like a, it's like, what was the original, the Razor? It's like a
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a scooter with a little bit of extra no yes it has a deep motor in it like I
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think mine can go up to like 20 miles an hour I'm like that's yeah that's what
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these things and I believe it I really do it's it's almost hard it was almost
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hard to max out the speed because it it's just hard to find that much open
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space before you get to another street you know there's just not stoplight yeah
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I was totally expecting something more like a razor with a bit of help you know
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So that you don't have to kick so much but it's like no these things really go and it's funny to the two competing apps
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Or companies, I guess lime and bird lime and bird. I forget which one is which but one of them I think lime I
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But I could be getting it backwards one of them you sign up and they more or less are just like what's your email?
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Forget even how they charged me. I don't think I didn't put a credit card in
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I don't know if they're just charging through the app and paying Apple the 30%
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You know, what's your email? Here's our terms and conditions say you agree
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and then the other one clearly has lawyers who are more involved and it's like you've got to go through and check one by one and
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It's just ridiculous. It is like I totally it's like I understand that I need to wear a helmet
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It's like the first thing you have to check off
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And of course nobody has a helmet right? Because if you're carrying their butts
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Once you're carrying around a helmet you might as well just carry around your own scooter
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You know, like the whole half the fun of it is the abandonment. I
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Came up with I think the perfect analogy. It was bothering me for the first day or two
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I was like this way that you just grab one when you want one. You just grab one
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You don't look for a kiosk. You just find one and grab it
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And and then get on it and go and then you get to where you want to go and just jump off it
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It was like this reminds me of something and like Tuesday it hit me
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It's Grand Theft Auto. Oh
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The whole idea in Grand Theft Auto is that whenever you need a car you just find one open the door pull whoever's in it
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Out and take their car and then you go somewhere and when you get there, you don't even have to stop the car
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You just kind of like do like a rolling stop roll out of the car. Let it crash into the sidewalk
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And then just go about your mission. It's exactly like that
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Excepting Grand Theft Auto every time you take a car you can drive it whereas with the scooters
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It seems like one and three have like a dead battery. Oh, no
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Well, you know the story about the battery thing too right like the roaming battery rechargers
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Yeah, we saw one finally and it was just a guy in a minivan
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Any the app obviously gives him a map of where the ones are he didn't have to like test him
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But there's just a guy in a minivan
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I presume it like the minivan wasn't labeled with bird or lime. It was just a guy
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So I presume he worked for the company either that or he was stealing doesn't he doesn't so here's here's how this works
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And this this blew my mind when I heard it is that the company actually does this Pokemon go style and they offer up
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bounties like like
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Charging bounties. I didn't know that if yeah
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So if you if you want to earn a little bit of extra money like gig economy style
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You can take one of the scooters plug it in and then they'll give you money based on how much you charge it and how?
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Many you charge and if it's in a really weird location
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They'll give you extra money to go and like retrieve it and charge it, huh? So they're like crowdsourcing the
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The charge. Yeah, interesting
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All right, San Jose versus San Fran as the site for WWDC
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I mean it was word got around last year that it was not a temporary change, you know that this was you know
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And as Apple is want to be there was no official statement on it. I mean
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There's actually no if you ask someone from Apple, you know, like as a member of the media on it, you know
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And say is there going to be a WWDC?
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You won't get a straight answer. They won't commit to it because they just can either confirm nor deny, right?
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They just don't you know, they don't talk about future products
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But unsurprisingly they were back at San Jose again
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I think they, you know, like anytime you do something a second time, it comes out a little
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bit better. I didn't see the podcast studio this year because I had to leave a day earlier.
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But I heard that the podcast studio, which was really nice last year, I heard that it was
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even better this year. Oh, it was so gorgeous. Again, I will send you pictures to put in the
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show notes. But that was my, again, first time being in the podcast studio because I didn't have
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have a badge last year. I only had sort of the keynote pass. And they've just, they've
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taken over what would have been a kind of semi ordinary like back room in the convention
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center. And then top to bottom, they've made like this beautiful hand cut styrofoam that
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has the podcast logo in it and all kinds of fancy acoustic things that I have no doubt
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that an Apple audio engineer could talk to you about four hours about why that curve
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was exactly like on some Euclidean geometry scale to, you know, but it's like, it's beautiful,
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it's like a nice little lounge. And then inside, they've just basically built this cave out of
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Styrofoam and then put a high-top table with a bunch of like really high-quality microphones
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and Beats Studio headphones, of course, with cables.
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Pete: On brand.
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Heather; It wasn't, yeah, exactly. They did not, they did not risk wireless connectivity,
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which, you know, I guess that's fair. And it was just it was a really lovely experience. We got to
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set Renee and I sat down with the folks from Agenda and talk to them right after they won the RDA.
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And it's just, you know, it's probably next to like the old Macworld podcast studio. I don't know
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if you ever were in there. It's like this is one of the nicest podcast studios ever been. Yeah,
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like the new one when they when they redid it. It was like the Macworld studio is really nice,
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but this studio was a good deal nicer. Like, it definitely felt like we were one step away from
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being in a radio studio. And it also makes me wonder about Apple's own podcast facilities.
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And I'm like, I don't know if Apple does podcasts internally, but they certainly have the talent to
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do it. Like, it would be really cool. Yeah, I did Jim Dalrymple's show last year with Matt,
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along with Matt Drance. And it was the first time I can ever remember doing a podcast that really
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felt like I was in a pro studio. Because I've got some good equipment here. I've told this before,
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but I just asked Marco. He said, "Just give me a shopping list to go buy." He just sent me a list
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of four things, and I didn't even double check anything. I just clicked, clicked, clicked,
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buy, buy, buy, add to cart, all at Amazon. Now that's what I have. So it's good equipment.
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it wasn't cheap. I mean, you know, I do this every week, I can I can credibly say I'm a pro.
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This is a legitimate significant part of my job. So you know, I spent, I don't know, a couple
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hundred dollars. So I've got equipment, but I don't I don't podcast in an area that you would
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take a photograph of and say that looks like a professional recording area. It looks apps
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actually completely opposite. It looks like something that I'm in the midst of moving.
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It's not sound dampened. It's not yet. I understand.
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But that was really cool. There's just other things that they did that I feel like they're
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really finding their, you know, Apple is finding their, you know, this is how we can make WWDC work.
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It's their voice. Yeah, I have mixed feelings about it though. If I worked at Apple and my
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opinion counted on should we stay in San Jose or go back to San Francisco, I would vote instantly,
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stay in San Jose. I think it's the right thing for WWDC. I think it's the right thing for Apple,
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but I have mixed feelings about it as an attendee because I feel like the city of San Jose is only,
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in terms of like the service industry is only borderline competent and possibly under the
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acceptable line for competence. Well, I mean, yes, I agree with you here. But I have to like,
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I'm trying to assume positive intent, right? And remember that San Jose, really, I mean,
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the last five years is more, it's a city that shuts down at 6pm. In most places, right? It's
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designed to be a worker's city. And then I don't know how much heads up they had about
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WWDC the first year. But to say that they were unprepared for the glutton of people
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coming in is calling it nicely. This year, it did feel a little bit better. I feel like
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things were open maybe a smidge later. You know, restaurants were maybe a little bit
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more accommodating. But overall, yeah.
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All right, so the late night thing aside, right? I get it. It's, it's, it's not a late night city.
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Okay. I'm talking lunch on a weekday at a reasonable time. Let's say around one o'clock,
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one 30. Um, my wife, Amy and I went to for lunch with a friend of the show, Paul, Paul Cofas.
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This was actually the day of my live show. Uh, we went to a cafe, uh, where we've been stressed out.
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We were, we've been before and I know they have just, you know, the food is okay. And you know,
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they have good coffee. And we place our order and I can't eat a lot before the show. So I just got,
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I wanted to get just a bagel with cream cheese. Like we're out of bagels. Or no, I wanted an
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onion bagel or everything bagel. I wanted an everything bagel with cream cheese. And they
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said, we're out of everything bagels. And I said, all right, how about just a plain bagel? And then
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And then they said, "We're out of bagels."
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And I was like, "All right, you could've started with it."
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- Why didn't you tell me that first?
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- And then they're like, "Well, we have English muffins."
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And I was like, "Fine, I'll take an English muffin."
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And they're like, "Do you still want the cream cheese?"
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I've never put cream cheese on an English muffin in my life,
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but I thought, "Sure, that's fine."
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Amy got like a panini.
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I forget what Paul got, but...
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And they gave us, I paid, we got our beverages,
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and they have outdoor seating,
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And it was a beautiful day.
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So why not sit out, outdoors, right outside their door?
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They gave us like a little placard
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that had like a number on it, like 57, right?
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Like a little tent, like a little tent
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that said 57 on both sides.
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Now I've been at places that give you
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something like that before,
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and every other place I've ever been
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where you get something like that,
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you take that placard, you put it on your table,
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and then when your order's ready, somebody picks it up,
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and then they look around for number 57,
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and then they drop it, they take the food to table 57,
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and then they take the little placard away.
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Is that your understanding of how such a thing works?
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- Yep, yeah, in theory that is how it's supposed to work.
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- Yeah, at this establishment, they quote,
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"Have no table service."
00:44:39
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So like an hour after we had placed,
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45 minutes maybe after we'd placed our order,
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I went back in to check and they're like,
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"Oh yeah, we've been calling you from the inside."
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Right, it's just sitting on a counter behind the counter.
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- What? - Yeah.
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And I said, "Well, why did you give me this placard?"
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And they said, "So you'd know you were order 57."
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I'm not making this up.
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Amy went out. - Okay.
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- Amy went out on, I think maybe it was Monday, I forget,
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but I wasn't with her.
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She went out for lunch and she did get table service.
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I mean, she placed an order and her food came
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it came an hour and 15 minutes after she ordered. I mean, it's just really, really bizarre.
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And again, last year I was willing to cut some slack of we weren't ready, although
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they have, you would think that with a giant convention center, there would be other large
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conventions throughout the year. But you would just think, "Hey, okay, this WWDC one, we're
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going to be busy. And there seems to be no awareness of that. So like just getting a
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bite to eat, like for lunch when you're might be in a bit of a rush. Or maybe if you're
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not even in a rush because you have somewhere to go, you're kind of want your food quickly
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because you haven't eaten all day and it's already close to two, you know, and now you're
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starving. Yeah, you don't get that in San Jose.
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No, and I'm hopeful that maybe the lunch crowd will maybe kick it up a notch, presuming that
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there is a WWDC in 2019.
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But it's a problem that I feel like, I just don't know.
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I feel Apple is neurotic enough to put banners all over the city and really shut down streets
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and things like that.
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I'm like, I would think that they would also have somebody coordinating with the restaurant
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industry and being like, "Hello, you stand to make thousands of dollars, maybe hundreds
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of thousands of dollars, if you staff your restaurant correctly.
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Maybe we'll even put it in a list of great places to go, but you need to actually stay
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And I'm like, "This is what I was hoping for last year, and it didn't materialize,
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so I'm just going to make the plea every year until it actually happens."
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there are good restaurants in San Jose. They just don't function for 5,000 attendees.
00:47:15
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So last thing before we get into the actual details of the announcements from last week,
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just the keynote itself. They staged it very differently. I don't know. I think that they
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oriented the big room differently, but it certainly was a much wider and less deep in
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terms of like the last row was closer to the stage than usual. And like, especially I'm not quite
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sure because again, I was only at one before, so I'm not quite sure. Well, I don't quite remember
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what it was like last year, but I certainly remember the setup in Presidio as Apple called
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it, the top floor of Moscone West, which was the same every year that I could remember.
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but it was super deep. Right. It's a deep theater. It is not that wide. It's only like three sections
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wide and very, very deep. And so like if you were in the back of Presidio, you really couldn't see
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the stage. You had to rely on the projectors that they would place at certain points, like halfway
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back or two-thirds back. Whereas this was super wide and they had like entirely new
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screen technology. Yeah. Like it was like panavision. Oh my god. Like super super high res,
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super bright, very sharp and it went edge to edge in this. Well not quite. I mean but effectively
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went edge to edge in this very wide room where people on the sides who maybe couldn't see the
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the speakers on stage very well.
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I still had a big bright screen in front of them.
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Really incredible staging.
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I mean, it really was impressive.
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- It was gorgeous.
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And I really, I appreciated how they used,
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we should say, you know, this big giant wide screen
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was actually three screens that were all able
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to be controlled independently.
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And I really appreciate how,
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appreciated how they used it, right?
00:49:14
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They didn't just blow up and stretch everybody
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or throw the same image up on all three screens.
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They were really using the width,
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Which watching the keynote, I don't know if you've gone back
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and actually watched Apple's recording of it.
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- No, I haven't. - But it's a little weird
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because the recording focuses mostly on the center panel
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on the person on stage.
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And in some ways, like the people who are watching
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the recording from home really didn't get how cool
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the staging and the setup was.
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'Cause you only see it like occasionally on the side.
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I was rewatching like the Apple Books presentation.
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And they're like, and we call it Apple Books.
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And I was waiting for the Apple Books to appear
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above the speaker's head. And I was like, Where is it? And then
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they cut to a different angle. And it was over on one of the
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right hand panels, right? And this like, big, beautiful font.
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And I'm like, Oh, okay, that makes sense. Well, the one on
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the far on the right and the one on the left are the same. Right?
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Yes. And so if you're in the middle, you could choose whether
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you want to look to the right or look to the left. But if you
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were on the right or left, you'd see the one right in front of
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you, the right one and the center one, but you're right. It
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was almost like a two screen experience. I can the only real
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way to replicate it at home would be some kind of
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synchronized playback where you're like watching the main thing on your TV and have like an iPad
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next to you synchronized playing the secondary screen. And like you said, like being like
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Panavision or something, it was this incredible aspect ratio, like super. I don't know what the
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actual aspect ratio is. I'd love to know, but it was at least like it seemingly like three to one.
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I mean, like get your measure app out. And I asked and so like among little things like they
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obviously we're planning that all along. But so for like the opening video, where like a whole
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bunch of like, well known developer types streaming, yeah, like the in there, you know,
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parodying, parodying a David Attenborough video, there's some debate over whether the narrator
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actually was David Attenborough or not. And I never, I never got to ask anybody. And I wasn't
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impression that it might have been
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But I don't know it was either Attenborough or Stephen Fry. All right was the was what I was getting off Twitter
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Yeah, I should have asked somebody
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And it spent time backstage with Greg Jaws react for 45 minutes
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But it's really incredible hearing about it did you see you did you see the section where the middle screen went out
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No, I don't remember that so during the section and I
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don't have my notes in for me so I will not remember her name but there was a
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blonde woman who was demoing the memo G memo G what's it called me emoji right
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during her memo G demo the middle screen flickered it like glitched twice and
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And then on like the third glitch, it went out.
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It was out black.
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I don't know if she knew that
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because she wasn't facing the screen,
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but it was clearly out.
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And the only things you could see were on the sides.
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And I was like, oh, this is gonna be exciting.
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'Cause there was clearly a lot of keynote to go.
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And the middle screen went out.
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What I've heard is that the backstage technologists
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who were there to—the red alert team that something's gone wrong to fix this, that
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within 90 seconds of it going on the fritz—and the whole middle screen went out—they diagnosed
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it as a bad fiber optic cable, identified exactly which cable it was, and swapped it
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out with a replacement cable in 90 seconds. And it was back on fully operational by the
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time her Memoji demo was over.
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Wow. That's a that's what I call like it sometimes I know that
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it's technically not televised, so it can't be eligible for the
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Emmys. But like, those kinds of crews, I feel like deserve
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special technical awards for just making all that stuff
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happen behind the scenes and happen so quickly.
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It's I from what I understand, it could not possibly have been
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diagnosed and fixed in less time. Like it was really like
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equivalent of like a you know like a indie car racing where you come in for a pit stop and it's
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like you cannot change the tires on a car any faster than that and it really would have been
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an awkward moment see like you didn't even notice like it just sort of i think the way it came
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across if you didn't see the glitch part and and it was just sort of like just imagine in any sci-fi
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movie where like the the cheesy sci-fi movie where the bad guy takes over the
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city's television and before he before he comes on screen there's some kind of
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like a little sizzle of pixels you know just like a quick glitch and then you
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get the deep you know voice of Jeffrey Rush or whomever big like yeah I have
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control now. So the other thing I heard was that the way that those that those
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screens worked was they were made up of individual component displays that were
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relatively small let's say roughly the size of like an iPad so it was each like
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imagine how many iPad displays you would need to cover all of that yeah yeah so
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And to get it all working behind the scenes there, they had 22 miles of Ethernet cable.
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Of course, miles.
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22 miles of Ethernet cable.
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And it looked like it.
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I mean, that seems mind-boggling, but it really was worth it.
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It was really impressive display technology.
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I kind of wanted to, like after the keynote, storm the stage and like get my face like
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six inches away from it to just see what it looks like up close. Like, it really seemed
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impossible. Really, it was a very impressive part of the keynote.
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I think you did. I think you did. And you were happy with it?
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in the next hour or so. Oh boy. Announcements, right? What's new? iOS 12.
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Well, did you hear that it's faster? So I have it. I don't have it on my main phone. I have it on
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my year old iPhone 7.
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- Interesting.
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- 'Cause I, and again, we were talking earlier in the show
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about installing the WWDC beta on phones.
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Summer is just not the time for me to have a phone
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that I can't depend on.
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Like if anything, it's like the worst time
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because it's the most often traveling
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and doing, it's like my only connection to the world.
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But I inevitably end up hearing that like beta three
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is really stable and switch to the betas at some point.
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But I'm really resistant this year
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because I really feel like iOS 11 didn't really
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hit its stride until 11.4, and it came out a week before WWDC.
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I think 11.4 is one of the best releases of iOS ever.
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It was very solid.
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It's super solid.
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It delivers all this stuff that is sort of like a file it
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under finally, like iMessage in the cloud, and stuff like that.
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All of this stuff.
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And it's like, it just seems criminal to have one week with the perfect version of iOS and
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then switch to a, immediately switch to a beta with a bunch of broken stuff.
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But I have it on the iPhone 7 and it's, it seems really nice.
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It certainly doesn't seem slow.
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I mean it really, you know, I don't think that that was any, I don't think that was
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No, I think they did a lot of work under the hood.
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And unlike you, I threw caution to the wind
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and I put it on the iPhone 10 because--
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- Did you do it while you were at WWDC?
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- Oh yeah, I did.
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I absolutely did.
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- All right, let me ask you, how did you do that?
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- How did I install it?
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- On Monday, I put all my electronics at my hotel
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and while I was eating lunch, I went and installed it.
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- So you did it over the wifi at the hotel?
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Yeah, I did it over the Wi Fi hotel. And I did it. What at a
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point when I knew people weren't going to be at the hotel. I
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think that was the trick, right? You can't do it in the evenings.
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And you can't do it in the mornings. And you can't do it at
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WWDC. Right? Well, I did do it at WWDC. But for those of you who
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are wondering, why is john confused about how to install an
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iOS beta? It's because the only place I didn't even stress test
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my hotels Wi Fi. So maybe I should have and maybe, you know,
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I just assumed that hotel Wi Fi was unusable. Was garbage. Yeah,
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gigabyte download. But for years now, a couple of years ago, Apple switched to a really nice
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way of getting betas on iOS devices where you don't really download the whole OS. What
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you do is you log into your developer account at the developer.apple.com website. And what
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you download is a provisioning profile. It's just a profile probably measured in kilobytes,
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even megabytes, just kilobytes. And then you approve it with your device passcode. And
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then while you have that profile installed, your phone will look for software updates
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from the beta servers, not just the main servers. And then you download, it's just like a regular
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over the air software update. And I, you know, it's not like I forgot how to use iTunes to
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download an image to my Mac and then the trick with option and you click one of the buttons
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and iTunes to do like a wipe and restore and the other option is to do an upgrade. And
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when you hold down the option key, you can pick the IPSW file from the file system. I
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vaguely remembered it, but I hadn't done it in so long. And the the catch is Apple has
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terrific Wi Fi throughout the convention center, just really world class Wi Fi, but they don't
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let you download the over the air software updates over the Wi Fi and for with the good
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reason that they're worried that that would saturate the Wi-Fi and it wouldn't be good
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Wi-Fi anymore. So you have to use Ethernet. And they do have kiosks with Ethernet located
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throughout the convention center.
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Yeah, but that's a pain to try and hook up to an iOS device.
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I don't know his name. I don't think he knew who I was, but he was very, very kind. I thought
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I was up Schitt's Creek without a paddle because I have a 2014 MacBook Pro, which I've
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smugly been bragging about because my keyboard works with 100% success. Here I am, I'm sprinkling
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sand over my keyboard right now. Guess what? It still works.
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Just to be a smug bastard.
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But their kiosks had regular Ethernet plugs and USB-C plugs.
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And I don't have USB-C, and I don't have a regular Ethernet plug.
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And I used to, for years, carry the old-school USB-to-Ethernet adapter, which Mac users have
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needed for years.
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I couldn't find it in my backpack. I don't know where it is. At some point I lost it
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and I thought I was screwed. A friend happened to walk by and I said, "Hey, you don't happen
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to have an adapter, do you?" And he said, "No." But somebody listened and it ends up
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– it's sort of my laziness/not so great eyesight anymore. One of the plugs that I
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thought was USB-C at the kiosk was the Thunderbolt 2 plug, which I do have.
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Which you have.
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Right. And so I did that and did install it on the thing at the kiosk.
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Got your beta the old fashioned way.
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Yeah. I was seriously thinking like, should I like set up my other phone as a tethering thing and just do it over Wi-Fi and tethering?
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Yeah, well, thankfully, you didn't have to do it that way. But no, I did the over the air update from my hotel. And I did it on my 10 specifically, because I had my eight plus with me as well. And I was just like, well, I have my eight plus and I have a SIM removal tool. So if I completely bork my 10, then at least I still have a perfectly functioning phone on iOS 11.4.
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But I am a creature of enjoyable niche features,
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and Memoji was just weird enough that I was like,
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"Well, yes, of course I wanna try this,"
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and Group FaceTime and all of that.
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These are iPhone 10-only features,
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and if I install the beta on a different phone,
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then it just means that I'm gonna have to install it
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on my iPhone 10 sooner or later
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if I wanna test these features.
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So why not just install it now, get it over with,
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and then have the other phone as my safe phone
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and not panic about it.
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And I haven't regretted it.
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- Yeah, and it's really hard to test on an iPhone 7 for me.
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Like my pattern in recent years has always been
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install the first beta on my one-year-old iPhone,
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the most recent one that's not my main one.
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And as soon as I verify that it seems good enough,
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pop my SIM into there and then use it,
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use that as my main phone.
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and then if anything really goes wrong,
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I can just go back to my newer phone.
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And I can't bring myself to do it with this
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because I've, and I'm not surprised by this,
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but I'm so spoiled by the iPhone X and Face ID.
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- The gestures, yeah.
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- The gesture, it's all driving me nuts.
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Like as much as when I first got the iPhone X,
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it was kind of hard to adjust to the gestures
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and not having a home button to click,
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et cetera, et cetera, going backwards.
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And it's just to me, it just verifies how successful
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the iPhone 10 design is.
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It is just maddening.
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I had completely forgotten about this.
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So on the iPhone 10, let's say you send me an iMessage
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and I look at my lock screen
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and there's the little notification.
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And it'll tell me once I look at the phone,
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it opens it up and tells me what the message says.
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And then I can just tap the message to go to messages
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and I'm in there.
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can't do that with the iPhone 7. You have to unlock the phone. You've got to like go
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to the home button, but then you can't tap a particular message to jump to that message.
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It's impossible to go back. I can use it to just poke around and examine the features,
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but it is so maddening. But I want some of these features. Just before this show started,
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I posted something about Swift and some you know
01:07:37
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Just some sort of pushback on Swift as the be all end all language for all uses and and a very smart friend of mine
01:07:44
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Sent me a series of about five or six
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I messages and I love that they show up in a single stack on the lock screen on this phone
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Yeah, I love it
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But I the fact that I can't just press hard on them to jump to the thread messages
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It makes this phone feel like it's broken
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Well, you clearly have only one choice, and that's to install the beta on your iPhone
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Please don't.
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People who are listening, I'm like, "Please don't do that.
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We're crazy people."
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You should wait for the public beta, at least.
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All right, so features.
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How do you like the Memoji?
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I really like – all right, so here's the thing.
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Memoji, I'm like, "All right, this is a gimmick."
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Animoji I thought were really cute, and then I never used them just because I was just
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like, "All right, whatever."
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They're fun, but I don't usually record videos with sound
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if I'm gonna record videos at all.
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But there's something about creating virtual avatars
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to yourself, especially when they're cute.
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Like the Memoji are, what I really appreciate
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about what Apple's done for this is it's not just like,
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it's not the iOS 11 Notes app with its like five colors
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in the color picker, right?
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Like the Memoji are deeply customizable
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and to an almost shocking extent.
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and they show up, you know, you create one,
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and it's gender neutral to start.
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So you can choose whatever hair you want,
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you can make like purple skin if you wanna just
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make an alien or make something crazy.
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And the hair, like this is the thing that got me,
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is that most of it is just like, it's a fun,
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you know, it's a fun advancement of their Animoji tech,
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where it's just using the RIR sensor
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and the whole Face ID front camera
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to do some really cool stuff.
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But they have made such gigantic improvements
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and the physics engine that they're using for rendering.
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Like the hair is the thing that freaks me out the most.
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And I posted like, I did just like a cute little
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karaoke video right after I got back from WWDC,
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where I was literally spinning the phone around
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while like trying to lip sync to the closing song
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from Black Panther, which is like a Kendrick Lamar song.
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And I'm like, I'm literally spinning the phone
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and there's no artifacts, there's no lag,
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There's no thing.
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The only thing that you notice is the fact that as I'm spinning and bobbing my head,
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you can see the shoulder length hair flowing and bobbing and moving with the physics of
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not just the phone, but me.
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And it was a complete trip.
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And the more I keep on, you can make a whole bunch of these and it's really easy to duplicate
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them and add features and sunglasses and nonsense like that.
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And they're just, it reminds me of when I first got my Nintendo Wii and like I started
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just making tons of Miis, which obviously this will get, you know, compared to.
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But it's like that.
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It's like maybe you don't have just as much customization, like Apple has wisely steered
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away from the like, "Adjust your eyes, one centimeter up or down."
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It's just kind of like, here are our default selections that you can play with.
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But it, I don't know.
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It's just, it's really enjoyable.
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I spent a good two hours messing around with Memoji,
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and I find that I'm actually sending them to people.
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And maybe I'm sending them to people
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'cause it's a new feature and it's whatever,
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but especially tying it in with the camera on iMessage,
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and then also tying it in with group FaceTime,
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which is also kind of a trip.
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I don't know, I feel like there are some actual use cases
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for this just beyond a fun gimmick,
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but like a actual, yeah, let's play around with this.
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- I saw something the other day on Twitter
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that really impressed me was,
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and I don't know who this was,
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it was like I saw somebody retweeted the person who did it,
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but it was really good that they were just like,
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got bored and decided to make a Harry Potter memoji.
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- Oh. - And they just posted
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a whole bunch, but it's like,
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even if they hadn't told me who it was,
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I would have instantly known, you know?
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- Of course. - It was like, oh,
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but it was so, you know, like to me,
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that's pretty telling that it's expressive enough
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you could like look at this image and be like, you know, like, if you're playing the Memoji version
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of Pictionary, you'd be like Harry Potter. The Louis Mantilla made a version of the Pixar
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Inside Out poster with Memojis as the Inside Out characters. And that was great, too. It's just,
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they really do. There's so there's a ton of options. Now, they're not as many as there should
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be. Like there are no AirPods option. There are a whole bunch of earrings option, but there are
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that there are no AirPods, and I'm like,
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that's an odd choice.
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And they're, you know, I know Darumple is complaining
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about the fact that there's no beard that's longer
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than like half an inch.
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So there's still some things that probably need
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to be worked out.
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The beards in general are kind of just like lumps
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on the face, they don't have the same hair mechanics.
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And because the Memoji, like in a vacuum,
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having them be floating heads is not a bad thing.
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But when you apply them to group FaceTime chats
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or photos, that's when they get a little bit weird,
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especially if you have long hair on a Momoji,
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because the long hair hangs down where the neck should be.
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So that when you put it on an actual, like an AR kind of body,
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where it's like your body but the Momoji's head,
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with short hair it looks fine.
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But with the shoulder length hair, it's like, oh,
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my neck is gone.
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My shoulders are gone.
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It just looks like a random floating head.
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It's taken it like the Haunted Mansion ride,
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where the ghost gets overlaid at the end.
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It kind of looks like that, where you're like,
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that's weird.
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So I'm hoping there's still some things to tweak with it.
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But it's gonna sell a lot of iPhone 10s.
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There's no question about that.
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This is the feature to sell the iPhone 10 in the fall
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when they come out with the iPhone 10 too or whatever.
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To get people to upgrade to a, what's it called?
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a notch, a notch, a notch phone, a notch phone, something with the front facing camera array.
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Yeah, death sensor face detection, blah, blah, blah. No, it seems it seems really, you know,
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it is gimmicky. But that doesn't mean it's bad. It might be a good gimmick that people actually use.
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And it's proof of concept of the tech, the technology. Yeah, like it's they don't overtly
01:14:04
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say that like, there's a our kit at work. But clearly there's a our kit at work. Like there
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is face detection, there's eye detection, like there's a lot of stuff that's going on here.
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And granted, the front-facing camera is very advanced, but I mean, I've said this from the
01:14:18
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beginning, like the FaceTime front-facing camera to me, yeah, it enables Face ID, but what's really
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interesting about that technology is when it comes to the back camera, not only how it's going to
01:14:29
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improve photos, but how it's going to improve AR and IR kit. Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, it's sort of
01:14:38
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jumping away to big picture, but I really do think that where Apple is going with this,
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I've said this before, but maybe not in a while. But basically, where are they going? They're going
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in a direction where your phone knows where you are and where you're going. Like in the way that,
01:15:00
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"Okay, I know Center City, Philadelphia pretty well.
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"And so if you put a bag over my head,
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"like the equivalent of putting me in your purse,
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"or if I were an iPhone,
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"putting me in your purse or your pocket,
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"and then take me out, right?
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"It wouldn't take me long to figure out where we are.
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"Oh, I know that store.
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"I know that Wawa.
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okay, we're at, you know, we're broad and chestnut. You know, oh, there's City Hall. Okay,
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I got it. I know where we are. We're on Market Street. It wouldn't take me long. And the phone
01:15:46
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should be able, you know, you soon enough, meaning within a handful of years, should be able to do
01:15:52
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all of that with a combination of GPS and camera and depth sensing. You know, it, it
01:16:03
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just doesn't see it just seems like that's, that's where it's all heading. And, you know,
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that your photos will be tagged, and it won't just know where you were based on GPS, but
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it'll know exactly which way you were oriented.
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Mmm. That's interesting. I didn't even think about that.
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Right? It's inevitable.
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The additional, like, the compass. Yeah.
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Well, and I think what's really interesting, instead of the—in terms of, like, going
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back to the iOS—
01:16:26
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Well, no, no. Think about this. Not just the compass, but once it analyzes the actual picture,
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right? And if you're in a—
01:16:32
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Right? So if you're in a park and you're taking a picture of a friend or a selfie,
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and it's mostly a view and it's mostly, like, green trees and grass, but there's
01:16:41
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statue or a fountain in the background like in the way that if I knew the park
01:16:46
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you were in you know you know exactly which way you returned right I would
01:16:50
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know where if I'm familiar with the park but the phone should be able to be
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familiar with everything everywhere collectively mm-hmm you know well in
01:16:58
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pulling it back to iOS 12 for a second I think it's really interesting you know
01:17:02
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Apple's been building it's sort of underlying proactive technology since
01:17:06
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iOS 9 where it's like yeah your apps will kind of know like when when you're
01:17:10
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in the morning, it'll suggest certain apps to you.
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And they've gone away from that,
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or they went away from that a little bit with iOS 11,
01:17:17
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but with iOS 12, they're bringing it back in a big way
01:17:20
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with shortcuts and Siri suggestions and all of this,
01:17:22
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this, you know, proactive, continuity type stuff.
01:17:26
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But what I think is really interesting about it,
01:17:29
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'cause it's not like the features themselves
01:17:31
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are not dissimilar to what Google is doing
01:17:34
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on their technology, but the way that Apple's executing it
01:17:37
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is the stuff that makes me really excited.
01:17:39
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The fact that people were seeing on the beta
01:17:43
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a suggestion to go into do not disturb mode,
01:17:46
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being like, oh, your lunch with Kathy sounds important.
01:17:49
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And lunch with Kathy was not on a calendar invite,
01:17:51
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it was in iMessages, and people were like,
01:17:53
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whoa, what's going on there?
01:17:55
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And doing some digging into it and realizing,
01:17:58
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this is entirely done locally, this is the phone,
01:18:01
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this is the secure enclave, being like,
01:18:03
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well, you've allowed me access locally to your things,
01:18:07
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So I'm going to locally look at your iMessage
01:18:10
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and locally look at your calendars
01:18:11
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and locally look at what direction you are in a park
01:18:13
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and then give you suggestions based on that.
01:18:16
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And those suggestions aren't necessarily synced
01:18:18
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through iCloud or anything like that.
01:18:19
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They never go up to the cloud.
01:18:21
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So Apple has found a way to like,
01:18:23
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it still seems dirty to be like,
01:18:26
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rummage through your messages.
01:18:27
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But Apple's found a way to like scan your information
01:18:31
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in a way that never violates your security
01:18:33
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because it's being done locally on the phone
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that they can't have access to unless you physically,
01:18:38
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you know, hand it over and unlock it.
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And that's a really like,
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because I think the potential of, you know,
01:18:45
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having a phone that you can go into a park
01:18:47
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and it knows where you're oriented
01:18:48
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and maybe you press an AR button
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and instantly you can turn around
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and see the rest of the park, right?
01:18:53
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You can see what it would have looked like on that day.
01:18:56
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Like there are a ton of possibilities here,
01:18:59
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but it always comes with the caveat
01:19:00
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of personal privacy and security, right?
01:19:03
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Like, how far can we go before we just give over all of our rights to unnamed third company,
01:19:08
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third-party company?
01:19:10
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And I really appreciate the way that Apple has been doing this slowly and smartly to
01:19:14
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the point where, like, their chips are fast enough to process all this locally.
01:19:18
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So you don't have to stress out about, you know, about your messages having to ping up
01:19:24
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to a server so you can get a suggestion to go into do not disturb mode at lunch.
01:19:28
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It's just the phone knows.
01:19:29
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The phone tells you.
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I wonder how much I wonder how that's gonna play in the mid mass market though because
01:19:37
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You know and I think it's one reason
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of several why Apple has been publicly hammering home the
01:19:45
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We value your privacy and we don't want your data
01:19:49
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You know, I don't want to be we don't want we don't it's not just that we don't want to look at it
01:19:54
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We don't even want to have it so that we can't look at it and they've been saying it for years
01:19:59
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I think they mean it and you know, it's not like Apple isn't a little-known brand
01:20:05
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But I wonder though how it'll play when something like that happens how an event that's not on your calendar only in a message
01:20:13
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but a separate component of the OS is
01:20:16
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You know prompting you to you know, do you want to turn off turn do not disturb on for the next hour?
01:20:22
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Because you've got lunch, you know
01:20:24
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Will it freak people out or?
01:20:26
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or will it only surprise them the first two times
01:20:28
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and then they'll get used to it and accept it?
01:20:30
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- Yeah, I mean, I think there'll be a momentary,
01:20:33
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I mean, we already kind of saw it on Twitter last week,
01:20:35
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there'll be a momentary like,
01:20:36
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oh my God, how is this happening?
01:20:38
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I do think that Apple should come out with messaging
01:20:40
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and maybe they already have that
01:20:41
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and kind of in the works for iOS 12,
01:20:43
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where they're just kind of like,
01:20:44
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this is why this is so cool.
01:20:46
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They were just waiting until shortcuts
01:20:48
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kind of got a little bit more refined.
01:20:50
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Maybe we'll see some stuff in the public beta,
01:20:51
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maybe we'll see some stuff at launch.
01:20:53
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But I think it's a really important thing
01:20:56
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to get out in front of.
01:20:57
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'Cause if you can say, you know all those features
01:20:59
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that Google's been doing for years,
01:21:01
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well we can do it now too with our iPhone 10
01:21:04
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and the iPhone 8 with iOS 12,
01:21:06
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but you don't have to do it in some cloud
01:21:10
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where potentially the FBI could have access to your data.
01:21:13
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It's all locally on your phone.
01:21:15
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That's a great message for them to pitch.
01:21:17
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But I do think, I think you're right in that
01:21:20
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there might be some initial panic
01:21:21
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if Apple doesn't grab hold of that narrative and be like,
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this is how this is gonna go.
01:21:26
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- Right, and you're not gonna get ads based on the thing.
01:21:28
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- Yeah, that's also really key, right?
01:21:31
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- I definitely think so.
01:21:33
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- And it's also, I mean, I think about Apple's concern
01:21:39
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over this, you know about the new app store, right?
01:21:41
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You know, the fact that this is something that's kind of,
01:21:43
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I feel like gone completely under the radar
01:21:45
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'cause it wasn't in the keynote, is that iOS 12,
01:21:48
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And even a little, I think they're beta testing it in iOS 11,
01:21:52
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I'm not positive, but iOS 12 offers
01:21:54
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a fully customized app store based on your purchase history
01:21:57
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and like how you rate apps.
01:22:00
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So your today screen actually shows up
01:22:04
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with customized editorials based on your tastes
01:22:08
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and your likes and like what you prefer.
01:22:10
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It's basically like for you with Apple Music,
01:22:12
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but it's through the app store.
01:22:15
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And Apple did it without changing any of their terms
01:22:18
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and conditions and they're not gathering any extra data.
01:22:20
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But I have to assume that there was some concern over,
01:22:25
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especially the Cambridge Analytica stuff and everything else
01:22:27
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that like, how was that going to play?
01:22:30
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How is that gonna play if we introduce it in a keynote,
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if we don't have the exact right wording?
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So again, I think it's like part of that whole messaging.
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Maybe they're still working on the way to present a like,
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we're doing something really cool,
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but we're not doing it with your data
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in a way that other companies are doing.
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- I think with the store in particular,
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people have long accepted it and embraced it as a feature.
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So like, I mean, and Amazon paved the way,
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I mean, literally at this point decades ago,
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I think I first started shopping at Amazon in 1997.
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It may be even '96, I don't know, but certainly in '97.
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But Amazon has always had a recommendation engine
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based on past purchases that's useful.
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It's like, yeah, that actually is useful to me
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'cause you guys get me.
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The creepier part, the part that is more objectionable
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isn't when your behavior on Amazon
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and your suggestions from Amazon are based on your actions.
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It's when you start getting suggestions on Amazon
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for things you didn't search for on Amazon,
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you searched for somewhere else.
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- Yeah. - Or, you know.
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And that's, to me, is the difference with the App Store.
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So of course Apple knows your purchase history.
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It's obvious.
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You could go to the Purchase tab,
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and they'll tell you everything you bought.
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It would be broken if they-- it would be bad if they didn't
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know your purchase history.
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So why not use it to order or show things
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in a different order?
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Privacy related.
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We've got the AirPods-- this is from my notes.
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I clearly meant to look up the actual name of the feature
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before we started, and I didn't.
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It says AirPods listening thing.
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- That's great, that's perfect.
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AirPods as live listeners hearing aids,
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which is designed as an accessibility feature
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and it essentially just means
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that wherever you leave your iPhone
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or if you use your iPhone as a microphone,
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it'll get routed to your AirPods
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the same way it would get routed
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to a three or $400 hearing aid.
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- Right, it's a feature that's already been in iOS
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for at least a year, maybe years,
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where people who use digitally connected hearing aids,
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people with low hearing can do this.
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So now it's just the same feature has been expanded
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to allow you to use AirPods.
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- Yeah, which is honestly, which is really cool
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from an accessibility standpoint.
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It also means that for people who are hard of hearing
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or maybe even people who don't necessarily need
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like hearing aids, but they still want to be able to use,
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to connect and listen to people,
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and maybe they're just starting to lose their hearing,
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maybe they're just your grandparents, right?
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And you wanna have a conversation.
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It allows them to really have that feature
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if they already have a set of AirPods.
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But of course, instantly Twitter was like, "Spying!"
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Which I understand, I understand.
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I mean, it could be used like that.
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- There's a new podcast, a friend of the show,
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Stephen Aquino who has written, you know, I would I would say without question is the leading writer on
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Accessibility and Apple products. I can't even imagine. I don't know who's in second place. Yeah
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He has a new podcast called accessible and
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It he had a great WWDC where he got interviews with
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People at Apple who work on this stuff including
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Apple's senior director of global accessibility policy and initiatives which which Steven and that her name is Sarah Herlinger
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Which they even admitted is a bit a bit of a mouthful of a title
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She was great Steven asked great questions
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But one of the things she said like a specific environment where they were thinking about this and tested it would be a loud restaurant
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So for somebody who maybe doesn't need a hearing aid, but who's hearing?
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Accessibility needs are such that they have trouble
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understanding a conversation in a noisy restaurant
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That so they may not own like a three or four hundred dollar hearing aid because they don't need one usually but they could use
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their air pods in the restaurant and point the phone's microphone just lay it on the table and point it at their
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You know the people they're eating with across the table and get this
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Clarified audio
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Yeah, that that was a specific scenario that they were thinking of where would somebody use this for accessibility?
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But would maybe wouldn't be the owner of hearing aids. I thought it was great. I'll put a link to the show notes
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I swear to God to this episode because it's really really great and
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So I think it's only the third episode of Stevens podcast and he's already got Apple executives on the show, which is pretty awesome
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He's doing it right. He's doing it right, but I thought that was pretty good
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Yeah, yeah, and so everybody freaked out about the spying angle and it's like man
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There are so many things like search the web for like listening devices. It's like, you know again
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You don't want to go down that rabbit hole because then you'll just you'll look at everything and just be like, alright
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So people are listening from my lamp like this has been around since the 50s like we have to understand that it's not unusual
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well think about the way that
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Again, and it's not wrong that people immediately jump to that conclusion. It's actually I guess it's not it's healthy that that your instincts
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You know jump to bad conclusions, but we've had the ability to turn on the iPhone camera and control it from our watch
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Maybe not ever since the original watch but certainly for a couple of years since the original I think well
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Whatever it's yeah couple of years
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So you could prop up your phone in a room and and control it take pictures of people and stuff like that
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I mean and there's also and of course we all know there's all sorts of devices you can buy that are cameras that you can
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hide in a room and surreptitiously take photos of people so
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Again people somebody might eventually abuse it that way
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but it certainly isn't a reason not to add the feature to the OS because it's not the only way to do it.
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It's not like not doing this in iOS 12 is going to keep people from ever being snooped on.
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People are people, you just have to be vigilant
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and be friends with the right folks.
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Go to the right places, I guess.
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- And you do have to leave your $700 or $800,
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$900, $1000 iPhone laying around.
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- Just lying around.
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- Right, so, you know,
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just probably also cheaper ways to do it.
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Group FaceTime, I haven't tried this yet.
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- Oh, I just tried it today.
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It's really cool.
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It's actually, again, for a 1.0 product,
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it is pretty solid.
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And I believe like, I think you were asking JAWS
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about this last week about like,
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oh, you guys use these internally for meetings.
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And after having used it with like five or six people today,
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I'm like, oh yeah, I can totally see this.
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'Cause already on like, you know, when I'm in Montreal,
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I do not have great wifi at all.
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Like just I'm in the back of a railroad apartment,
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it's really patchy signal.
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But I was able to do a group FaceTime on my patchy wifi
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with no issues whatsoever.
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And it's like, it was clear.
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I've never even had a Skype or a Hangouts thing this clear.
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And it was very good in that it was intelligently degrading
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and improving the signal based on what,
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there was never that moment where the entire chat froze
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and you're just like, oh good,
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well I have no idea what's talking anymore.
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Instead it was just like, oh your connection isn't as strong
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okay we're gonna drop out the picture,
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but you're still gonna get full audio,
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you're still like, it's just, you know, just some,
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there's a lot of really nice tweaks under the hood.
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And FaceTime's, I mean, FaceTime's proprietary
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under the hood codec has always been really strong
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in this regard, so I guess I'm not that surprised,
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but it's nice to see that, you know,
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even though this feature feels like three or four years late
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it's still really strong.
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And again, adding Memoji and all the effects
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and everything else, it makes Hangouts,
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like special effects stuff, look primitive,
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look like grade school stuff.
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- Yeah, I kind of-- - Because it's so good.
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I kind of get the feeling that the doesn't really feel like a 1.0 and kind of feels like
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it's three or four years late are one in this two sides of the same coin. Right? The
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reason it seems to have shipped a little at least a couple of years later than I would
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say most of us would have expected to have multiple people, more than two people in a
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FaceTime video chat is that they decided to ship it when it was like rock solid and really
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well done. And so it's not sort of the typical, this works most of the time, 1.0, right?
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Yeah. Well, it makes sense because there already are. Hangouts is pretty solid. Skype is pretty
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solid. There are a million video chat options. So if you're going to introduce something,
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you better make it as good as iMessage.
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Yeah. And as secure as iMessage because one of the questions I asked last week at the
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show. I knew the answer, but it was good to hear it on the record is that even with a 32 person
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group FaceTime, it remains end to end encrypted for everybody involved, which is incredible. Mind
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boggling to me. Yeah. All right, shortcuts. I haven't set up any shortcuts yet. Yeah. So sure.
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I mean, shortcuts, the app doesn't exist yet. So it's, we're still in, we're still in, I think the
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the best thing to think about.
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And Federico Vitucci wrote an amazing piece on this today
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at MacStories.
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Renee has been doing some really great stuff at iMore.
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The things to know about shortcuts
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is it's really like three different things.
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There's Shortcuts the app, which basically replaces workflow.
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And from everything I've been hearing
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and from everything Vitucci and Renee have been hearing,
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it sounds like it's gonna be identical to workflow,
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including all of the callback URL schemes
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and like all of the advanced coding stuff
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that people have been able to do and play around with.
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It doesn't sound like Apple's taking away
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any of that functionality, which is awesome,
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but the app's not ready yet, right?
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It's still workflow in the store,
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and it'll eventually replace it, but until it does,
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we really can't play around with that.
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Then there's also Siri-based shortcuts,
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and these are a little bit more complicated
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in that these are current.
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You can mess around with them in the first beta,
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but they're only found in the Settings app
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under the Siri tab, and eventually,
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it sounds like they may pop up on your lock screen
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is like, hey, you do this pretty often,
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do you wanna create a voice shortcut for it?
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But those right now are only,
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they only show up in settings.
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And it's really easy to create a voice shortcut,
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but it's only for one thing, right?
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Like it's, a great example was,
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if I went into it right now, it would show me,
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it was like, would you like to create a voice shortcut
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for launching iMore.com?
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Or like opening the specific talk show shared note
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that Jon Gruber just linked to you.
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And then you could say, you know, "Talk show."
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And then anytime you said, "Talk show," to Siri,
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Siri would automatically open up that note in specific.
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So it's like little things like that.
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And it sounds like third-party apps
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will also be able to include those kinds of things
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so that you can actually automatically build one
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by either pressing a button in the app
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or the app will suggest it to you on your home screen.
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So that's kind of the other aspect of shortcuts.
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And then they combine together in a lovely way.
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But it just it you still is what is from what I can understand
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you'll still be able to run like work the workflow style shortcuts like as an action extension or as a
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As a standalone like home screen app and things like that
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It's just now in addition to that it's hooking into Siri so that you can do multi-part things with Siri, which is pretty cool
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Hmm, very cool
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Scary it's green screen time. Do they spell it one word or two words two words?
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it is two words in the settings app, so I I
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Suspect that once I have this running on my main phone. I'm going to have some
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some eye-opening
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Some of my usage like the one in particular
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I forget if I said this on stage or backstage to jaws
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But I was like the one about how many times a day you wake your phone
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I just know it's gonna be like whoa, come on, that's busted
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broken. Nobody opens their phone 253 times a day.
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Oh, it's better. I had 4,000 last week. On the week, not the day, right? No. No, no,
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the day. The Tuesday when I was messing around with iOS 12. Like, it was very specifically,
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obviously, a testing issue, but like, it was still a little bit like, "Why? Why? No."
01:35:05
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So I went through and like I told you, I had this longer than you'd think even over super
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fast ethernet where I installed the beta on my iPhone 7 at WWDC but didn't really get
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a chance to use it or hardly at all there and then flew home on Thursday and got in
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and like Friday like decided to check it out and it says you use your phone for two minutes
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I'm like, not for long.
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like, that's not correct. That is a little weird. Yeah, I mean, I've been I've been looking at the
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graph for about a week. And I do find it's really helpful to kind of just generally see a an overall
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picture. They give you most used graphs, not only for individual apps, but also for groupings of
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apps. So like reading and reference my like grouping, which is like books and a couple
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other things. It's like reading and reference 18 hours in the last week. And I'm like, yeah,
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that sounds about right. And they have like social networking and productivity and entertainment and
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things like that. And that's helpful for getting kind of a general idea of what you're doing.
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I haven't set any downtime. I haven't set any app limits yet. I don't know if I will,
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just because it's like, yeah. It's hard when you're also using it for your job. Maybe I'll
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set some downtime stuff for everything but the books app at night, right? Because it might force
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me to actually read and not go to Twitter when I want to be reading actual books.
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I should set the opposite of a limit. I should set like a requirement that I have to spend 45 minutes a day in mail
01:36:38
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Yes, right, right this is something I actually I haven't filed a radar yet
01:36:44
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But it's on my list of Raiders to file as I actually want them when you like use up your screen time for a certain app
01:36:50
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I actually want you to them to prompt you with a different app like oh you spent you know
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You're two hours allotted on tweet
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Would you like to go learn a new language and do a lingo instead?
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Should I have to go check your mail, John Gruber?
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I really should.
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I mean, it would be exactly like the calorie goals or standing goals on the watch.
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Like, come on, you can make it.
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You can do it.
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No, the one thing about screen time that wigs me out a little bit is if you're in a family,
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which I am, you can see everybody in your family's screen time, including your significant other,
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and you can set downtime and app limits for them,
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which I think is kind of screwy.
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I'm like, I'm hoping that that could be turned off
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on the, like, you know, it's like,
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if my husband wants to turn off screen time
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so that I can't see it, just like he can turn off
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find my friends, like I feel like that would probably
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be a good security feature, 'cause I just,
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I feel like, I don't know, I just see controlling
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like ex-girlfriends and boyfriends
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and it makes me uncomfortable.
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But it's cool from, I mean, I don't have a kid,
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but you have a kid, like is this something,
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Is something you're going to use for Jonas?
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I'll take a look at it.
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I mean, we don't really have very many limits on his stuff.
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It's all going to be YouTube.
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It's just going to be--
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And actually, he doesn't watch YouTube on his phone much,
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His phone thing is mostly some stupid meme app,
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where you just page through and just get memes.
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His YouTube usage is almost entirely MacBook.
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And so Mac isn't getting this feature yet, but--
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- Not yet, maybe next year.
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I'm trying to think of other weird and cool things.
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You can set up an alternate face ID appearance,
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although people are now like,
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"Oh, it's a second person for FaceTime."
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And I'm like, "Eh, well, sort of."
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I guess that works.
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- It just seems like though,
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if that's what they really meant,
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they wouldn't use that language.
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This seems like something-- - No.
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- I can't even, you know,
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I can think of dozens of scenarios for this,
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but one that I could think of in particular
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would be if your job requires you to wear a mask
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or certain goggles.
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And I got an email that I actually saw and read
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and much appreciated from a surgeon
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who got an iPhone X and simply couldn't get it to unlock
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while he was wearing a surgical mask.
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And then all of a sudden, a couple of months in,
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it started working, and he wrote to me,
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speculating that either a software improvement,
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something changed.
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I could imagine that this might help
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with some scenario like that,
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where sometimes you're wearing a surgical mask,
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and if you set it up both ways and say,
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"These are both me," it can triangulate it.
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The language of the feature,
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and nobody seems to have figured,
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I don't know, I haven't seen if anybody has figured out
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whether it really does work
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with two entirely different people,
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but I think if that's what they meant,
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they would have said they would have written it differently.
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- They would have just been like, "Multiperson FaceTime."
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- Right. - Isn't that cool?
01:40:03
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- Right, like they don't call it, like with Touch ID,
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they don't call it alternative finger angle.
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You know what I mean?
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It's like you just set up a different finger.
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- Yeah, yeah, exactly. - It's pretty clear,
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you know, that when you're setting up a different finger,
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it's a different finger.
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- Mm-hmm, yeah.
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So other things, there are new Siri voices.
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There's a South African Siri voice,
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and there's also an Irish Siri voice.
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So if you want your iPhone to sound like Friday
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from Iron Man, you can make that happen.
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- That's pretty cool.
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Here's one that I don't know anything about
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'cause I haven't put it on an iPad yet,
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but I understand that you have strong feelings
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about the new swipe gestures on iPad.
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- I really do.
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I have so many.
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Well, okay, so the iPad gestures have been reoriented
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to be in line with the iPhone X.
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So instead of Control Center being part
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like the spaces area when you do the four finger swipe up. And now it's pulled down from the top
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right. And it's like, oh, the camera, you know, the date is in the top left corner, and that stuff is
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in the top right corner. And there's a conspicuous space missing in the middle. I wonder, wonder where
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why that could be. But in addition to all this, it means that when you're swiping up from the bottom,
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it treats it like you would in an iPhone 10, where it automatically goes home. And this is a problem
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because prior to this, if you did a swipe up from the bottom, you would get the dock. And then if
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you continued swiping up from the bottom, you would go home. But the initial like one flick up
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is just to pull the dock up so that you could swap apps. And what I've been doing pretty much
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constantly since I installed this on my iPad is going to flick up to the dock and then sending it
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back home and then reopening the app and then flicking up the dock and sending it back. So it
01:41:45
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- Just to be clear, a small flick does still bring up
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the dock and a larger flick does the iPhone 10 style
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start to go home?
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If you do an up flick and you keep your finger
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on the display, it will pull up the dock.
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But if you flick and lift your finger off the display,
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it will send it all the way home.
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- And that is the annoyance.
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- But what about multitasking?
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Multitasking is still, can you swipe up
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to get to multitasking or?
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- Yeah, you can still do a four finger swipe
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to get to the multitasking screen.
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Yeah, the multi-finger swipes are all mostly intact.
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Split view and slide over and all of that
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seems to all work pretty much identically.
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It's just the dock issue.
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And I have to assume that this is just some tweaking
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that will get fixed in beta.
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Like I'm not gonna panic about it
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until we've gotten a couple betas in.
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'Cause clearly like it's gonna be a different,
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when you associate the same swipe gesture
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with two different things,
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it's a little bit difficult.
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It's kind of like with the iPhone 10,
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having the upward swipe gesture close an app,
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but also like if you do it halfway,
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you can go into multitasking mode, right?
01:42:53
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Or swiping along the bottom, you could switch apps.
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Like these things, they can move them over to the iPad
01:43:00
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for whatever reason they might want to,
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but it's gonna take some time, right?
01:43:05
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It's gonna, they're gonna have to plug everything together.
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- Last but not least, there's the new Apple Books app
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replacing the old iBooks app.
01:43:15
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- So this one is interesting.
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This one I think might end up being the hidden
01:43:19
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like unsung feature of iOS 12.
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'Cause it didn't get, you know,
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it got no screen time basically on the keynote.
01:43:23
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Like it was up as like, "Oh look, new, new books app,
01:43:27
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Which is called SF Serif.
01:43:29
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- They spent more time talking about the name change.
01:43:32
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They really did.
01:43:33
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- I know, I know.
01:43:34
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They're like, "Oh yeah, and it has all these things.
01:43:36
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Next, let's talk about stocks."
01:43:38
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No, it's so Apple Books.
01:43:41
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It's now Apple Books instead of iBooks,
01:43:42
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which I think makes sense.
01:43:44
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Been expecting that name change for a while.
01:43:46
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Has a new font for the headers
01:43:50
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that's now called SF Serif, and it's beautiful.
01:43:53
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It's a really beautiful Serif font.
01:43:55
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But the biggest deal about Apple Books
01:43:58
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is it's just like the reading experience itself
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is almost identical.
01:44:02
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It pretty much looks exactly the same as iOS 11,
01:44:05
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but everything around the reading experience,
01:44:07
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like buying books and organizing books
01:44:09
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and choosing books you wanna read
01:44:11
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and saying that you finished books,
01:44:12
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all of these things are now built into the app.
01:44:14
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It's like they took all the features of Goodreads
01:44:17
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and then they're like, all right,
01:44:18
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how can we make this usable and interesting to people?
01:44:22
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So now when you launch the book apps,
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you have this beautiful like reading now screen
01:44:27
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and it shows the book that you're currently reading
01:44:29
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as well as like how far you're into it
01:44:31
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and either it shows the cover if you haven't opened it
01:44:33
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in the last 24 hours or it actually has it open
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to the specific page.
01:44:37
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And it uses a lot of the horizontal scrolls
01:44:40
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that the new App Store kind of premiered last year
01:44:43
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with iOS 11.
01:44:44
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And it's such a smart design, in my opinion.
01:44:48
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Like obviously, I've had two weeks with it,
01:44:51
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but I have been reading,
01:44:52
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like I read a lot of books on my iPhone.
01:44:54
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It's basically the thing I do before I go to sleep
01:44:57
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and like when I'm standing in lines and things like that.
01:44:59
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I enjoy reading a lot
01:45:01
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and reading on the OLED screen is really easy.
01:45:03
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And the reading experience and just managing books,
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the fact that there's a new want to read section
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that you can tag for either books you already own
01:45:12
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or books you wanna look at in the store.
01:45:14
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And it just displays immediately
01:45:16
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under that Reading Now section.
01:45:17
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So if you wanna find a, if you're like,
01:45:18
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"Oh yeah, someone told me to read that book,"
01:45:20
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I can just throw it on my Want to Read list.
01:45:22
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And I don't have to buy it, I don't have to tag,
01:45:24
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like it's literally just press a button
01:45:26
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and it goes down onto Want to Read
01:45:28
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and I can look at it another time.
01:45:30
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But there's also, there's this new Finished collection.
01:45:34
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And the Finished collection,
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like the Want to Read collection,
01:45:37
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you can tag any book, whether or not you own it.
01:45:39
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which means that you, I go back to the Goodreads comparison,
01:45:42
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it's like I'm thinking about,
01:45:44
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and I've been doing this the last week,
01:45:46
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where it's like all of these books that I have on my shelf
01:45:48
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that I didn't buy digitally, and I'm like,
01:45:50
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I don't want to buy them digitally,
01:45:52
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I don't wanna rebuy the same book,
01:45:54
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but I can indicate in the app, like, I've read this already.
01:45:58
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And then you get this beautiful timeline
01:46:01
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that's like, you read this book now,
01:46:02
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you read this book two weeks ago,
01:46:04
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and you can actually see the pace that you're reading books
01:46:07
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and how often you're reading,
01:46:08
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and all, like it's just, it's a lot of really smart features.
01:46:12
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And it's also heralds the return of a bit of skeuomorphism, for lack of a
01:46:18
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better word, where the actual books have a bit of a, not even really a bit.
01:46:23
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I mean, they're very much looked like hardcover books with a spine and lighting
01:46:27
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effects and, you know, I think anybody who's had the patience would realize
01:46:34
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that after the great flattening of iOS 7,
01:46:37
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that the dial would ease back up eventually
01:46:42
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throughout the OS.
01:46:43
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There's a drop shadow behind the books as well.
01:46:47
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- Yes, it looks really nice.
01:46:48
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- I am not sold on SF Serif.
01:46:51
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I don't hate it.
01:46:54
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I don't know that I love it, but it might be,
01:46:56
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I think it's growing, the more I see it,
01:46:58
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the more it grows on me, and it does.
01:47:00
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As soon as I saw it in a slide,
01:47:01
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the first slide that came up,
01:47:03
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And of course, I admit it was like, that's new.
01:47:05
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It was like the first thing I remember with the watch too.
01:47:09
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Where I thought, Oh, they're using Din. And then I immediately thought, Oh,
01:47:15
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that's not Din.
01:47:16
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That's a new font.
01:47:19
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Right. But do you know, a friend at Apple told me that like internally before they
01:47:23
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had officially named San Francisco, it was at least some designers who had seen
01:47:26
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it and knew that we're calling it Dinvetica. Which if you look at Din and
01:47:32
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Helvetica and then look at on two sides and then look at San Francisco in the middle is
01:47:37
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actually pretty apt.
01:47:39
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It's very similar.
01:47:41
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And I looked at it. As soon as I saw this font, I was like, "Oh, I guarantee you that's
01:47:45
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called San Francisco Serif." It is absolutely, in terms of the X height and a couple of other
01:47:52
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features of it, it was like, "Oh, that's a sibling to San Francisco, the Serif font
01:47:56
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Or in sans-serif font. So I think it fits in that regard and if any app deserves to have
01:48:01
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Seraphon, it would be the books app
01:48:04
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Yeah, I mean it's it's funny because when I first looked at it and it uses a lot of black and white and even you
01:48:10
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Know and it uses a sort of a dark mode when you're in dark lighting and it inverts in a really smart way
01:48:16
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It just looks like the first time I saw it I was like, oh it feels like a newspaper
01:48:22
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It feels like old school, like I thought New York Times the first time I saw it.
01:48:26
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But then the more I look at it, the more I'm like, no, actually, it feels like Boston's
01:48:30
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public library a little bit. Like it has that kind of, it just has a stature to it. And the bookstore,
01:48:36
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I don't know if you ever went into the bookstore and not just through the search screen of the
01:48:40
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iOS 11 app, but the bookstore and the audiobookstore were just some of the most cramped, unfriendly,
01:48:46
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like, felt so gross, especially compared to the new app store. It just, it was so crowded. Like,
01:48:52
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Like you couldn't tell anything and like it was really hard to figure stuff out.
01:48:55
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And there are clearly smart collections being put together by the books crew, but you just
01:48:59
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couldn't read any, like you could not read anything in the reading store.
01:49:04
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And this, they've really, it feels much simpler in a way because everything's so big and bold
01:49:10
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and like you can see the covers and they've made these horizontal scrolls and all that.
01:49:15
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But it doesn't like, I've been comparing it to the iOS 11 app and they're really, they
01:49:19
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haven't lost any feature like parody like there's all of the stuff is still there. It's
01:49:25
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just organized in a much more pleasant way. Yeah. My big fear when they rushed through
01:49:32
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it in the keynote and he didn't really examine the app was I remember thinking, boy, I hope
01:49:38
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this is like the new App Store app. And I hope it's not like the first version of Apple
01:49:44
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music. Oh, yeah. And I would say it's exactly it. It is in terms of it, at least for me,
01:49:52
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and I know there were many others that at least the first version of Apple music felt
01:49:55
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can, I often felt lost. I often felt like, what am I looking at here? Is this my music?
01:50:02
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Is this just music I have access to? Am I am I in a store? Where am I? I don't find
01:50:08
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that at all in the new books. It's like, here's the stuff you're reading. Here's the stuff
01:50:11
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you own, you know, reading now, library, then there's a bookstore, an audio bookstore, and
01:50:16
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then there's search. Like, boy, if those aren't the five sections that I want in the Apple
01:50:21
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Books app, I couldn't imagine a better selection.
01:50:25
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Yeah, it's a it's really nicely organized.
01:50:28
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Yeah. And the one that I the one that I wouldn't have thought of before is the reading now,
01:50:31
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right? Because the old way was you had you had the old the old app was sort of organized
01:50:36
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like a coin, where on the one face was your library and then—and literally it even had
01:50:41
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an animation originally where it would just spin around and then on the other side was
01:50:45
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the store. So it's like, here's what you have, here's what you can get, and then
01:50:50
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you would just flip between the two. But, you know, once you assemble more than a handful
01:50:55
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of books in your library, managing the ones you're actually, you know, currently reading,
01:51:00
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it wasn't great. And having a separate section for that is perfect. It's the digital equivalent
01:51:05
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of like the books on your bedside table versus the books that you have on your shelf.
01:51:09
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Yeah, that's it. Exactly. And it just, it allows you so much more easily to actually
01:51:14
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find what you want it to read.
01:51:15
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Yep. All right. Let me take another break and thank our third and final sponsor of this
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They sell freshly roasted gourmet coffee, and it is shipped directly to you.
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Their coffee beans are roasted to order your order and shipped out immediately."
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Look, this is a perfect gift for Father's Day.
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I think there's time.
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I don't know.
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But it could be, and certainly a good gift for people all times throughout the year.
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Think about it.
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If you know somebody who's a coffee lover in your life, it's a good gift.
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So keep it in mind, even if you don't listen to this episode quite in time for Father's
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say. Every bag of beans that Tres Pontas ships to you has a roast date printed directly on
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it so you know your coffee is fresh. So you might have heard of single origin coffee.
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Tres Pontas is a level higher. It's all of their coffee comes from a single family farm
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from the race family located near the town of Tres Pontas in Brazil. So they have one
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variety of bean. It's all grown on the same family farm and the only difference is the
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the roast profile you want.
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How much do you want it roasted?
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Do you want light, medium, dark, or French roast?
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Personally, I actually prefer the light.
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I'm torn between the light and medium.
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Not really a dark or French roast person, never have been.
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But you get that option.
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And I know some people really like overly roasted coffee.
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And here's the thing, they really do.
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They don't just roast it, package it, seal it up,
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and then put it on shelves.
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And then it waits and it goes out to you.
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they really are sending you, when you order it,
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they really do take the stuff that was shipped that,
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or roasted that day, and then that's what gets shipped
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I have a subscription to this now, and I've had ones
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where the date, when it, ding dong, the package is
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at my house, and the roast date was literally
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three days before.
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It's that fresh.
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And coffee really is a, it's a perishable item.
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It's more like a vegetable or a fruit or something
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like that than like a stable shelf item.
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In my opinion, even though most supermarkets
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are filled with coffee that's been roasted,
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who knows, weeks or months ago,
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it really does make a difference to me.
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You can get it pre-ground.
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I, of course, get whole bean coffee and grind it myself
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to even further maximize the freshness.
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It's really great stuff.
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It is super convenient if you've never tried
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having a coffee subscription service.
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What you can do is you can get it like every week,
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you can get it every two weeks,
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You can get it every four weeks, depending on how fast you go through coffee.
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Obviously if you're buying it for an office or something like that, you might want to
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If you're buying it and you're the only coffee drinker at home like I am, once every two
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weeks is plenty to make coffee every day.
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This is really good stuff from a single farm.
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Certified non-GMO, certified kosher, grown at over a thousand meter altitude, picked
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by hand, roasted by hand in small batches, and processed naturally, not washed. They
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buy coffee at prices paid above fair trade standards. So the farm workers who are doing
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this work receive high wages and it helps their family and the whole community down
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there in Brazil so you can feel good about that. So here's the thing. How do you find
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out more? You can go to trace Pontas, T-R-E-S, Pontas, P-O-N-T-A-S, dot com slash coffee.
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And you can start with just, you don't have to start with a subscription. You can just
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get a 12 ounce bag to try it. And even easier if you want, you can go to Amazon and just
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search for Tres Pontas. Their coffee will be the first thing you see. And when you get
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it from Amazon, that's just the front end for the commerce. They still fulfill it themselves.
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So it's not like Amazon has a separate stash of old stale coffee that they're shipping
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to you. You get the exact same shipment that you would get if you went right to the Tres
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Puntas website and all orders in the USA get free shipping either from trace
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Puntas website or from Amazon I don't know how they do that but that's that's
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that's the fact so you can either get a subscription you can get a single
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package and listeners of the talk show can get an extra 10% off using the code
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the talk show with the the at checkout when buying a coffee subscription so
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that means you would get an extra 10% off with a subscription with this code
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because the subscriptions are sold at a 10% discount so every subscription 10%
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off use the code the talk show 10% off and you they're additive you get 20% off
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so my thanks to trace Pontos for making excellent coffee and for sponsoring this
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program all right we're two hours in we still haven't gotten to the Mac this
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This isn't gonna work.
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We're not gonna get to all of this.
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- No, we're gonna have to speed run the rest of it.
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- All right, Mac OS 10.14 Mojave.
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First thing I'm gonna say, dark mode.
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So I've got that installed.
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I put it on, I'm not a nut,
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I did not install it on the main startup drive,
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but I put it on an external USB drive
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and actually did it from default.
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I didn't like upgrade an old image or something like that.
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I was like, give me the, you know.
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- Interesting.
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- Give me the factory fresh. - The native experience.
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- And I went dark mode.
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Not, I don't really care for it.
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I can see why people like it.
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I know it was by far and away, this is baffling to me,
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by far and away the biggest applause line
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of the entire keynote was macOS dark mode.
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I find that using it system-wide, it is,
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and I'm somebody who has used BB Edit,
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my text editor of choice, in a dark mode
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for somewhere, most of, I would say 95% of the time
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for the last 16, 17 years,
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whenever it was that BBEd at first supported
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having a dark background and light colors.
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Big fan of it for text editing.
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So I know why developers maybe wanted it.
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But as a system-wide color,
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I find that it's really hard to see where windows overlap.
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And I found that tabs in Safari, it's really hard to tell.
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And part of this might be my somewhat declining eyesight.
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Maybe I would feel differently 10, 20 years ago
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when I had perfect 20/20 vision.
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But I found it hard to see which tab is active in Safari.
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But the big one is just overlapping windows.
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They all just look like one big black mass to me.
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I don't see the edge.
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And that's because I was thinking about it.
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But with the regular light background color scheme,
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you get these shadows that show you
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where the window borders are.
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And I've quite frankly have long wished for,
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maybe I'll get it someday, but for a Mac OS X update
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that makes darker shadows that have less distance.
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- They're a little bit closer.
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Just, and I could be wrong, maybe that wouldn't look good.
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But anyway, but with the dark mode,
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there's no such thing as a light shadow, right?
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so there's no lighter shadow that indicates it.
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So you don't really have shadows
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to indicate the tiling depth of Windows.
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And to me, the way I work, especially on my iMac 5K,
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that's a huge part of the way I work.
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And really, on my 13-inch MacBook Pro,
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it's less of an issue
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'cause I'm effectively close to full-screen mode
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in just about every app I use.
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But even so, what I usually do is have it open
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most of the way, and then on the right side of the screen,
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I have like a little bit of a Twitter window sticking out.
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But when I'm in dark mode, you don't really see that.
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- No, it all just kind of blends together.
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I agree with you, and I wasn't expecting to,
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'cause I love the dark toolbar,
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and I tend to like darker windows and darker apps.
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But it really, I don't know if it's just
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that the highlight color, like the whitish gray,
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isn't the right shade, and it's just messing
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with my eyes a little bit. But there's just something like
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especially Safari is wigging me out, I think, in part because
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I've I've gotten used to safaris dark window as being a private
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window. Right for so long. Yes. So I'm like, have wiggling out.
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I'm like, did I open a private window? Like, am I searching the
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right thing? Maybe I haven't tried opening a private window
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in dark mode. Maybe it opens a white window. But I know what it
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does is it opens a dark window with a white URL bar. You know,
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with the location field.
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- Yeah, that's confusing.
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Yeah, I just, I don't know.
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I understand why it took them so long to implement this
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because there are a lot of very specific UI decisions
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that you kind of have to make for this.
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And I really, I appreciate the fact that like
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the dark changes as you like move it around
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certain backgrounds, like it does take on some
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of the highlight colorations of whatever is behind it,
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but I just don't love it.
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I don't love it like I was expecting to.
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I'm really shocked by that.
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- And they say, this is inspired by our pro users,
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meant for everybody, this dark mode.
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And that pro users, pro audio, video, you name it tools
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for decades have had usually been a dark background
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on light, with light text.
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And with your editing video or your editing photos,
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it's obvious because it makes the actual content pop, you know, that the white background can really
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glowing bright LCD screen or, you know, it can be distracting from the images. But the other thing
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about those apps is those apps are usually run full screen or nearly full screen. Like that to
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to me and I didn't really think about that.
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- But you don't get the overlap, yeah.
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- So what I kind of wish after having played with this
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over the weekend and used it,
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is I really wish that I could apply this
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on an app by app basis.
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I would like to tell photos to run in dark mode
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for those reasons.
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And the reason is, I swear it sounds like a little thing
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and I get why people applauded this,
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but it's the main thing.
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A couple of years ago, I switched from Lightroom to Photos.
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And there's a ton of features I miss.
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I mean, the tip of the iceberg--
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They're different apps.
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They're different apps.
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And the surface, boy, oh, boy, I just
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miss the way Lightroom looked.
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It really felt like my photos popped so much more.
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And I think there's a reason why when
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you go into editing mode in Photos,
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it switches to a dark mode.
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Well, I wish it was dark mode all the time,
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whether I was in editing mode or not.
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But I get it.
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But those pro apps, like I said, the thing that occurs to me
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pro video editors. They're not running the Final Cut Pro 10 in a tiny little window overlap.
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You know, they're full screen. It would go crazy. Yeah. Right. And then there's other things too,
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like you open a new text edit document and you've got all this dark everywhere and then you've got
02:02:28
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this bright white text. I don't I can't deal with that. And honestly, it's why I don't like Safari
02:02:35
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and dark mode either is because it's just all of the there's the beautiful dark toolbar and
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There's so much white.
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It does look pretty though.
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I will say that.
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So if you put your Mac into what I would always call screenshot mode, like when Apple shows
02:02:48
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off a new version of Mac OS X, it's always one window perfectly centered with no other.
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You could always see huge swaths of your beautiful desktop picture, which I'm never in.
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My computer is always covered with hundreds of windows.
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When you only have one window open, oh, it looks cool as shit.
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It definitely looks cool, but.
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- But when you have everything overlaps, not so much.
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- Yeah, marzipan apps.
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So there's four apps that are written with iOS
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or that are UI kit app.
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This is Apple's name for it is this mouthful,
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UI kit apps running on Mac.
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News, stocks, home and voice memos.
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Oh, I don't like this.
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There's news and stocks seem mostly the same
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and they're the ones that seem most more complete to me
02:03:39
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make more sense. But I think it's really weird on the Mac when you open an article and it doesn't
02:03:43
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open in your browser. It just opens right in the window you're in. It just feels unnatural to me.
02:03:50
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The home app, it seemed broken. I couldn't even connect to my home pods even though they
02:03:57
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did appear and they were listed. And I could just use my iOS device and perfectly control them.
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But for some reason with the Mac, I mean, it's early, it's a beta.
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But I'll put a link to the show notes. There are some bizarre iOS style dialogue boxes in the home
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app that really look like an I like an iPhone app running in the simulator that I I'm not down with
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this at all. Oh, yeah, I'll put those. I mean, hopefully, hopefully these things shake out,
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right? I'm I'm hopeful that early beta and also as third party developers get their hands on things,
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this will kind of smooth out a little bit. But it's been interesting to hear from people who
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who currently develop iOS apps and like Electron apps,
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who are like, well, this is interesting,
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but also I still can't develop for the PC and the Mac,
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so I'm still gonna keep my Electron app.
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And I'm like, oh, okay.
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- Right, like that's, I said that at my live show last week,
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that's my hope is that, okay,
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you're not gonna write a real Mac app,
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but you do have a web app and you do have an iOS app.
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And so if you're gonna have to move one of those to the Mac,
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why not just move the iOS app?
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And I think that would be better.
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But the problem is if you still wanna have a Windows app
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and whatever other desktop platforms like Chrome
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that you might wanna cover,
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they might say, "Ah, we'll stick with Electron."
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I think it's-- - Yeah, you're still
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kind of up to the screen.
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- I think maybe the best that we can hope for in practice
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won't be that companies that have big monolithic
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Electron apps that are god-awful like Slack
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and the new Skype to name two that I can't stand.
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- Just are painful, yeah.
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will go back to the drawing board and move their iOS apps over. But maybe as we move
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forward in the years to come that future companies that haven't gone down the electron road
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yet for the Mac will go this way instead. So don't think so much about rewriting current
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electron monstrosities, but maybe as we go forward and new companies come out like these
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I'm going to cross my fingers and hope for it. Yeah, a bird for the Mac.
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I thought the end of voice memos app unless I'm missing something is just unbelievably unfinished.
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Like it really buggy as hell and confusing. So I don't even want to talk about it because I'm just
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going to assume that this isn't even close to what it's going to ship as it's it's a beta. And also,
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I mean, voice memos has never been particularly fancy on iOS to begin with. Right? Like,
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I'm kind of assuming that they're going to smooth it all over. Really, the only thing I care about
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Is that it'll eventually have iCloud syncing and I can move my voice memos from my iPhone to my Mac without anything crazy
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All right, tvOS. They didn't really announce anything for tvOS
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Sorry developers
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All we're gonna do is talk about the things you can get if you're using this one internet provider called spectrum
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Like two weeks ago
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Probably in like New York and LA and that's it. And then here we go
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We got a wrap up but we can talk about watch OS 5 for a minute or two
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The walkie-talkie feature not working yet. What are we wasn't really even working in demos?
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But I think it could be really useful I could really imagine this as
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as like the ideal like Jonas is upstairs in his bedroom playing video games and I want to tell him it's time for you know
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time to come down for dinner, this seems like the way to do it. Like a walkie talkie call
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seems like a really lightweight way. And my analogy would be that the walkie talkie calls
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feel like they are to a phone call what a text message is to an email.
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Yes. Right. And you know, 100% agree. An email is formal. You have a subject line and you
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put your signature at the end of it. You know, and a text is just a text.
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Well, I really love the idea from a business perspective, honestly. Like, I'm thinking
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about it in, like, not necessarily hospitals, but in areas where, like, you need to quickly
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check up on something. And, like, in the past, like, I might send an email, and that would
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take forever. And I might send a text to somebody I know really well. But that also might, you
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know, I feel like this is the more urgent version of a text that isn't going to get
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lost in your email box.
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Where it's just like, "Hey, can you talk right this second? Yeah, I can talk right
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the second, "Hey, is this still this?" And then you're like, "Yep, yep, that's it."
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And then you've saved yourself a trip of walking over to their office or whatever.
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Right. All right, that's a wrap. I thank you for your time, Serenity. That was a pretty
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good wrap-up of WWDC.
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It was good seeing you. Good talking to you.
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Everybody can read Serenity's fine work at iMore.com, and they can catch her on Twitter
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as @Cettern. Thank you.