The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► Oh shit, I'm so stupid.

00:00:02 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:00:04 ◼   ► Oh, it's not that stupid.

00:00:06 ◼   ► But I am starting a new thing where I'm just sharing

00:00:10 ◼   ► an Apple Note with whoever's on the show.

00:00:13 ◼   ► - Mm, okay.

00:00:14 ◼   ► - And then you can just paste, we can paste links in there.

00:00:17 ◼   ► - I like it.

00:00:18 ◼   ► - Right now, all it just says is TTS 168 Serenity Caldwell.

00:00:22 ◼   ► Anyway, the stupid thing is that I was trying to do it

00:00:25 ◼   ► and I'm like, why can I not do this?

00:00:27 ◼   ► I know I've done it already and it's because

00:00:28 ◼   ► I'm staring at a Mac that's still running El Capitan.

00:00:32 ◼   ► - Oh no!

00:00:33 ◼   ► - So I've gotta do it from my phone.

00:00:36 ◼   ► - Ugh, such technology problems.

00:00:40 ◼   ► - Did you get this?

00:00:40 ◼   ► Did you get it? - Yes I did.

00:00:41 ◼   ► - Anyway. - Let's see if it'll open.

00:00:43 ◼   ► - So we're sharing, we are sharing, this is my new thing.

00:00:45 ◼   ► We can't even tell people on the air, it's not a secret,

00:00:47 ◼   ► but I've shared a note from Apple Notes with Serenity

00:00:52 ◼   ► so that we could paste links and maybe I'll remember

00:00:56 ◼   ► to put all the links in the show notes that I say that I put.

00:00:59 ◼   ► Seems like a perfect use of the shared note feature,

00:01:02 ◼   ► but before we started recording,

00:01:04 ◼   ► I spent a minute staring at my screen,

00:01:06 ◼   ► trying to figure out how to do it,

00:01:08 ◼   ► and it was because I'm staring at a machine

00:01:09 ◼   ► that's still running a Mac, running LCAP,

00:01:11 ◼   ► which doesn't have the feature.

00:01:13 ◼   ► - Where is my collaborate button?

00:01:15 ◼   ► Where has it gone to?

00:01:16 ◼   ► - I am, we have so much to talk about,

00:01:19 ◼   ► I don't know how the hell we're gonna do it,

00:01:20 ◼   ► but I'm excited, here's what I'm excited about.

00:01:23 ◼   ► My last show was with Jim Dalrymple,

00:01:25 ◼   ► and everything was still new.

00:01:26 ◼   ► And I feel like, you know, like the phones and the watch,

00:01:29 ◼   ► and I don't think Sierra was out yet.

00:01:31 ◼   ► I like talking about these things more

00:01:35 ◼   ► once I've gotten to know them a little better.

00:01:37 ◼   ► Like I even said on my show the last time,

00:01:39 ◼   ► I found writing a review of the iPhone after five days

00:01:42 ◼   ► to be incredibly stressful, 'cause I don't know what I--

00:01:43 ◼   ► - It's really hard.

00:01:44 ◼   ► - Right, so I'm anxious to hear your thoughts

00:01:47 ◼   ► now that we've starting to settle in with these new devices

00:01:49 ◼   ► and both new operating systems.

00:01:51 ◼   ► But what I was gonna tell you is,

00:01:54 ◼   ► I'm like a reckless, I'm reckless with my iOS devices.

00:01:57 ◼   ► I'll install the first beta of whatever's coming out

00:02:01 ◼   ► as soon as somebody else on Twitter says they installed it

00:02:04 ◼   ► and it didn't blow up.

00:02:06 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, same.

00:02:07 ◼   ► - So my iPhone, my personal iPhone is already running

00:02:10 ◼   ► the developer beta of 10.1 because who cares?

00:02:15 ◼   ► - Is your personal iPhone a seven plus this time around

00:02:17 ◼   ► or just a seven? - No, it's a seven.

00:02:18 ◼   ► I've just switched, I think Saturday I switched

00:02:22 ◼   ► from my Plus review unit to the phone

00:02:26 ◼   ► I ended up buying for myself,

00:02:27 ◼   ► which is jet black regular, so.

00:02:29 ◼   ► But I had to run the beta because I put the beta on the Plus

00:02:35 ◼   ► so I could take portrait mode photos,

00:02:38 ◼   ► and then once you've upgraded that device,

00:02:40 ◼   ► if I wanted to keep carrying forward that backup and restore

00:02:44 ◼   ► so I have all my stuff and don't have to set up

00:02:46 ◼   ► my email accounts and everything again.

00:02:48 ◼   ► So I have to be running the beta here.

00:02:49 ◼   ► but I find iOS betas to be just fine.

00:02:52 ◼   ► - Yeah, they've been remarkably stable.

00:02:54 ◼   ► I think the entire iOS 10 beta release cycle

00:02:57 ◼   ► has been remarkably stable.

00:02:59 ◼   ► I installed two days after WWDC for running the dev beta

00:03:04 ◼   ► and I have not had problems since.

00:03:05 ◼   ► Like little things here and there, little problems, but.

00:03:09 ◼   ► - But on my Macs, I tend to be very conservative.

00:03:12 ◼   ► I don't like running,

00:03:13 ◼   ► I don't run the developer betas over the summer

00:03:15 ◼   ► and I haven't, I've upgraded my MacBook

00:03:19 ◼   ► which I don't really use that much.

00:03:21 ◼   ► Or at least I haven't been

00:03:23 ◼   ► 'cause I haven't been traveling lately.

00:03:24 ◼   ► So I did install Sierra on that one,

00:03:27 ◼   ► but I'm not, my iMac at my desk, I'm waiting.

00:03:30 ◼   ► - I am exactly the same.

00:03:32 ◼   ► I did not install Sierra on this iMac

00:03:34 ◼   ► until the day after release,

00:03:36 ◼   ► because our, thankfully, we have a staff at iMore now,

00:03:39 ◼   ► which is really lovely,

00:03:40 ◼   ► and Lori Gill kind of took point

00:03:42 ◼   ► on all of the macOS Sierra coverage,

00:03:44 ◼   ► which meant I didn't have to worry about it.

00:03:46 ◼   ► So I had like seven devices,

00:03:48 ◼   ► Like seven iOS devices running iOS 10 and no Macs in the house running Sierra.

00:03:53 ◼   ► I just typed uptime in the terminal.

00:03:55 ◼   ► So my iMac's been up for 23 days without a restart.

00:03:58 ◼   ► And I find that to be very typical.

00:04:01 ◼   ► Like I just come in here every day and just hit the keyboard to wake it up.

00:04:04 ◼   ► There are features I'm looking forward to.

00:04:06 ◼   ► I can't wait to get the thing where I can log in with my Apple Watch.

00:04:10 ◼   ► Auto unlock, yeah. That's been kind of fun.

00:04:12 ◼   ► I've enjoyed that the last four days.

00:04:14 ◼   ► So I maybe by the next episode I record I will be running Sierra here and it does seem it seemed to me on on my macbook

00:04:21 ◼   ► where I did upgrade to Sierra that it was the

00:04:25 ◼   ► Least inconvenient major version of Mac OS 10 upgrade I've ever done

00:04:32 ◼   ► It seemed to me like almost nothing broke or changed

00:04:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I have had no problems created. I haven't launched an Adobe program yet

00:04:41 ◼   ► So Photoshop still could be completely borked and I wouldn't know it

00:04:44 ◼   ► But I'm pretty sure I haven't heard any complaining from my artist friends.

00:04:48 ◼   ► So I haven't really run into anything major where it's just completely broken or completely a pain.

00:04:52 ◼   ► Yeah, one of the reasons I'm so conservative upgrading a Mac is that I have so many little super nerdy things that I install and set up.

00:04:59 ◼   ► Like I have a bunch of scripts I've written for myself in Perl, and they require Perl modules from the CPAN open source repository.

00:05:08 ◼   ► And you just type some things on the command line and install them.

00:05:11 ◼   ► And every time to my memory, every time I've ever done a major upgrade of Mac OS 10. I've had to reinstall those because pearls considered part of the system.

00:05:20 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, that would make sense.

00:05:23 ◼   ► It's just I accept it. It makes sense to me. But then this time I didn't have to all the stuff I had installed from CPAN was still there.

00:05:30 ◼   ► They finally the you know, the Mac OS engineers listened to you and said, You know what, we're just gonna make the the pearl upgrade process easier this time.

00:05:39 ◼   ► Who's our friend in the background?

00:05:40 ◼   ► - That's Olive, who I'm actually gonna go tell

00:05:43 ◼   ► to quiet down in just a second.

00:05:45 ◼   ► There's a new puppy in the back fence

00:05:47 ◼   ► that she gets really excited about.

00:05:49 ◼   ► - I like having a dog on the show.

00:05:51 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, it gives it a little bit of color.

00:05:53 ◼   ► - People got very mad at me last week.

00:05:55 ◼   ► I said I don't like cats.

00:05:57 ◼   ► - I am an equal opportunity pet lover.

00:06:01 ◼   ► We have two dogs and one cat in this house.

00:06:03 ◼   ► - There we go, that brings balance to the talk show

00:06:06 ◼   ► so people can stop complaining.

00:06:07 ◼   ► And then the problem was that--

00:06:09 ◼   ► - Balance to the forced touch.

00:06:10 ◼   ► - The problem was that Jim Dalrymple agreed with me.

00:06:12 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:06:14 ◼   ► I'm nothing against dogs.

00:06:15 ◼   ► Dogs are great, but I grew up with cats, all cats,

00:06:18 ◼   ► and then my fiance owns dogs,

00:06:20 ◼   ► so it's been a kind of like a merging of the households.

00:06:23 ◼   ► - Well, there we go.

00:06:24 ◼   ► I think the last time we had a dog barking

00:06:26 ◼   ► in the background of the show was Joanna Stern

00:06:28 ◼   ► when she had her dog was a puppy,

00:06:31 ◼   ► and I think had an accident in the room

00:06:33 ◼   ► while she was on the show.

00:06:34 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:06:35 ◼   ► - Comic gold.

00:06:36 ◼   ► - Yep, yep.

00:06:37 ◼   ► It's like, okay, let's talk about MacBooks

00:06:40 ◼   ► - Oh, wait, wait.

00:06:42 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:06:43 ◼   ► So it seems to me like Apple has their upgrade mojo in place

00:06:47 ◼   ► and it just scanning the internets,

00:06:49 ◼   ► it seems like there were relatively few people

00:06:52 ◼   ► who's seemingly on Twitter had any kind of problem

00:06:55 ◼   ► upgrading either to iOS 10 or to Sierra.

00:06:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, and honestly, this is probably

00:07:00 ◼   ► when one of the smoother upgrade cycles

00:07:03 ◼   ► that I've seen on the Twitter webs.

00:07:07 ◼   ► The only thing I've really seen complaints about

00:07:10 ◼   ► the home button. And even those have kind of tapered off after the first couple days, you know,

00:07:14 ◼   ► there were the there were the outrages of like, why doesn't my slide to unlock work and even my

00:07:19 ◼   ► personal trainer when I went to saw her last see her last week, she was she was very outraged at

00:07:24 ◼   ► the idea of of having to change her home her unlock behavior. And then when I saw her the next

00:07:29 ◼   ► week, she's like, Yeah, I've gotten used to it. It's fine.

00:07:32 ◼   ► That's an interesting change because it's one that I've heard that too from, you know, real people.

00:07:37 ◼   ► And I've, what I recall is I think I started running the second developer beta,

00:07:45 ◼   ► maybe the third, because I had like, I was traveling in early July and I didn't want to

00:07:49 ◼   ► take a chance while I was traveling. So as soon as we got home from a trip in July, that's when

00:07:53 ◼   ► I started running the developer betas on my iPhone. And I've at first, like anybody else, I was confused.

00:08:00 ◼   ► It seemed like getting into getting past the lock screen was weird.

00:08:04 ◼   ► And I just thought what I remember thinking was, ah, it's a beta.

00:08:08 ◼   ► I'm sure they'll figure this out by the end of the summer.

00:08:11 ◼   ► And they didn't really, I don't think they actually changed anything.

00:08:13 ◼   ► It's just that eventually I, I, it became the new normal to me.

00:08:17 ◼   ► Yeah, it gets, you get comfortable with it and then you switch back to a device

00:08:21 ◼   ► running iOS nine and you're like, why won't you, what, what I'm

00:08:24 ◼   ► just, I'm trying to unlock you.

00:08:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:26 ◼   ► And it's just seems normal now.

00:08:29 ◼   ► Although I guess it's, I guess it's,

00:08:32 ◼   ► are there still a lot of people who don't have Touch ID?

00:08:35 ◼   ► - I don't think there are a ton of people

00:08:36 ◼   ► who don't have Touch ID, but the,

00:08:39 ◼   ► I like my personal trainer who I was talking to,

00:08:41 ◼   ► she's like, I've never put a passcode on my iPhone.

00:08:43 ◼   ► And immediately I told her, well,

00:08:45 ◼   ► here are the reasons why you should put a passcode

00:08:47 ◼   ► in Touch ID on your iPhone.

00:08:49 ◼   ► But there are a lot of people who still don't do passcodes

00:08:52 ◼   ► and don't do Touch ID despite having Touch ID-enabled iPhones

00:08:55 ◼   ► which boggles my mind.

00:08:56 ◼   ► It's so easy.

00:08:58 ◼   ► - That would be an interest.

00:08:58 ◼   ► I wonder what that is.

00:08:59 ◼   ► I've always thought, and I do think it's true,

00:09:03 ◼   ► that the original slide to unlock, which Apple bragged about,

00:09:10 ◼   ► it was a big part of the original iPhone presentation.

00:09:14 ◼   ► It was a part of the ads.

00:09:15 ◼   ► It was a part of the brand.

00:09:16 ◼   ► It was actually a big part of their lawsuits with Samsung.

00:09:21 ◼   ► I forget.

00:09:21 ◼   ► I think they sued other people too, right?

00:09:23 ◼   ► And it was held up.

00:09:25 ◼   ► It was like Apple's version of Amazon's one click.

00:09:28 ◼   ► You know, like this is a ridiculous thing

00:09:30 ◼   ► to be able to patent.

00:09:31 ◼   ► No, this is actually genius.

00:09:32 ◼   ► You know, arguments on both sides

00:09:34 ◼   ► should be able to patent an idea that's so simple,

00:09:36 ◼   ► blah, blah, blah.

00:09:37 ◼   ► I really do think though that that feature

00:09:40 ◼   ► was designed for a phone that doesn't have a passcode.

00:09:44 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

00:09:45 ◼   ► I mean, it was designed in kind of the pre-passcode era

00:09:48 ◼   ► where I don't think until my iPhone 4

00:09:52 ◼   ► that I really ever thought about having passcodes

00:09:54 ◼   ► my devices or thought seriously about what it meant to protect the information that was on my

00:10:00 ◼   ► device. Because the iPhone 3G and 3GS, I feel like all I had on those phones were like Twitter

00:10:06 ◼   ► and the camera app, and I wasn't taking any pictures that were particularly sensitive,

00:10:12 ◼   ► and I wasn't doing a ton of banking on my phone because 3G networks at that point were still slow.

00:10:17 ◼   ► But now, I mean, you know, my 7 Plus, I feel like I can pretty much do my entire job on it.

00:10:23 ◼   ► I don't need a computer for some things.

00:10:28 ◼   ► - No, I think that's definitely true.

00:10:30 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:10:31 ◼   ► - That's what I hear from so many people.

00:10:33 ◼   ► But I just think we just didn't, I don't know,

00:10:36 ◼   ► the whole industry, both on the company's side,

00:10:40 ◼   ► like Apple's side, as the creator of this device

00:10:44 ◼   ► and this operating system, and on the consumer side,

00:10:46 ◼   ► and on our side as people who write about this stuff,

00:10:50 ◼   ► the last decade has been a real eye-opener

00:10:53 ◼   ► in terms of privacy and security.

00:10:55 ◼   ► Like I think before that, we really only thought

00:10:57 ◼   ► of security as security that goes through bugs.

00:11:00 ◼   ► You know, like, oh, there's an exploit in Windows XP,

00:11:05 ◼   ► and all you have to do is visit this website

00:11:08 ◼   ► and code can get run locally with full privileges

00:11:11 ◼   ► on your computer and you're in trouble.

00:11:13 ◼   ► And that's what we thought of it as.

00:11:15 ◼   ► As opposed to just the privacy aspects of this system,

00:11:19 ◼   ► it doesn't have any bugs, it's working as designed.

00:11:23 ◼   ► But if somebody picks up your phone

00:11:24 ◼   ► and plugs it into iTunes,

00:11:25 ◼   ► they'll just be able to see all your stuff.

00:11:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, and it's, I mean,

00:11:31 ◼   ► the scary thing about that

00:11:33 ◼   ► is really the social engineering part of it,

00:11:36 ◼   ► where even I think until really,

00:11:40 ◼   ► we got it with Snowden,

00:11:41 ◼   ► and we got it with even Mr. Robot of all things,

00:11:44 ◼   ► alerting people to the idea of like,

00:11:46 ◼   ► yeah, if people know your security questions

00:11:49 ◼   ► a couple of facts about you, they can pretty much take over your life. Like, I remember,

00:11:52 ◼   ► do you remember Matt Honan's piece from a few years ago?

00:11:54 ◼   ► Pete: Yep.

00:11:55 ◼   ► Jodi, yeah, about his password dilemmas and troubles and how basically somebody took over all of his

00:12:00 ◼   ► stuff and like, that kind of stuff is, I think, an eye-opener for, definitely was an eye-opener

00:12:06 ◼   ► for a lot of the tech concerted audience, but it's still, I think, making its way towards the general

00:12:11 ◼   ► public. Where the general public is worried about security and this broad, nebulous idea,

00:12:16 ◼   ► but they don't really think about it on a very discreet,

00:12:19 ◼   ► you know, individual basis.

00:12:20 ◼   ► Like talking to my personal trainer,

00:12:22 ◼   ► if someone picks up, if you go to Africa

00:12:24 ◼   ► and someone picks up your phone,

00:12:26 ◼   ► they could basically steal your identity.

00:12:29 ◼   ► No problem.

00:12:30 ◼   ► - Right, it's true.

00:12:32 ◼   ► - She was going to Africa, it's not just like random.

00:12:35 ◼   ► Picking Africa, picking on Africa.

00:12:37 ◼   ► - And I also think the iPhone, and therefore iOS

00:12:39 ◼   ► in particular, also started on the wrong foot in some ways

00:12:43 ◼   ► because it's in some ways I think Apple had conceived of it as as much as the

00:12:50 ◼   ► successor to the iPod as it was to the Mac and so yes there were some you know

00:12:57 ◼   ► some aspects of whatever you want to call the original the original version

00:13:01 ◼   ► of iOS when I think it didn't even have a name it was called like iPhone OS

00:13:05 ◼   ► iPhone OS yeah and they even had like marketing material that they even called

00:13:09 ◼   ► it OS 10 it was like runs OS 10 you know they didn't know what to call it at

00:13:12 ◼   ► first. But a lot of it was was sort of stripped out by the idea that it was sort of more like an

00:13:19 ◼   ► iPod, which never had any real sort of security, right? You could always just plug an iPod into

00:13:25 ◼   ► another computer and see what was on it.

00:13:27 ◼   ► Well, you had DRM to music for a long time, or you had music, it was one way transfer, right?

00:13:32 ◼   ► The security was really more on the the format of the files you bought from the store than the

00:13:37 ◼   ► device itself. And you know, just wasn't a protected device. I mean, you could really

00:13:43 ◼   ► just plug somebody else's iPhone into your, you know, your Mac and, you know, communicate

00:13:47 ◼   ► over USB. So they've had, you know, obviously come a long way from there to here. And I

00:13:51 ◼   ► do think that the slide to unlock just didn't really fit, you know, touch ID is slide on

00:13:57 ◼   ► the slide to unlock for the modern secure world.

00:14:01 ◼   ► Yeah, it's the, this is the easy way to open your phone after you've put it some level of security.

00:14:08 ◼   ► And especially as they've rolled out touch ID to more places, including like on iOS 10, a little feature that I even noticed today is if you go into say Apple Music and you're signing into your user account,

00:14:20 ◼   ► As long as you have Touch ID enabled for iTunes,

00:14:25 ◼   ► you can now use your fingerprint for that.

00:14:26 ◼   ► You don't even have to enter in your password

00:14:28 ◼   ► in these weird random places of the OS,

00:14:31 ◼   ► which I think was even still a thing in iOS 9,

00:14:34 ◼   ► where there were still some areas

00:14:35 ◼   ► where you had to type out your long complicated password.

00:14:38 ◼   ► And now it's all like,

00:14:39 ◼   ► as long as you're already in the system,

00:14:41 ◼   ► you can authorize just about anything

00:14:43 ◼   ► with a Touch ID fingerprint.

00:14:44 ◼   ► - It does seem like I've had to type my passwords

00:14:47 ◼   ► in fewer times.

00:14:48 ◼   ► And it's one of the little things that it seems like,

00:14:52 ◼   ► it's so annoying that we notice it

00:14:55 ◼   ► when we're getting badgered by it

00:14:56 ◼   ► and we yell at Apple for it,

00:14:58 ◼   ► and then we don't really notice when they fix it.

00:15:00 ◼   ► So we don't get to give them the little pat on the head

00:15:02 ◼   ► and say, "Thank you, Apple."

00:15:04 ◼   ► You know, and the number of times where I used to have to,

00:15:08 ◼   ► I'd just be out and I would just get prompted

00:15:10 ◼   ► for my iCloud password, and it wouldn't even tell me why.

00:15:14 ◼   ► Right?

00:15:15 ◼   ► It's just like a system-- - Oh, I know.

00:15:16 ◼   ► It's just like this random thing.

00:15:17 ◼   ► - Right, but it does seem to me anecdotally,

00:15:19 ◼   ► at least for me personally,

00:15:20 ◼   ► that I don't see that as much as I,

00:15:23 ◼   ► almost never, it's almost never inexplicable.

00:15:25 ◼   ► It's always got like an explanation

00:15:27 ◼   ► and therefore I don't feel bad about it.

00:15:29 ◼   ► So good for Apple on that.

00:15:33 ◼   ► So before we get into the details,

00:15:35 ◼   ► while we're on this subject, let's try to,

00:15:38 ◼   ► I have at least one, but think about the things

00:15:41 ◼   ► that Apple still has a lot of,

00:15:45 ◼   ► Where are they falling short on their upgrade,

00:15:48 ◼   ► when you upgrade devices?

00:15:50 ◼   ► Overall, I think they're getting really good at it.

00:15:52 ◼   ► But I'll give one example. - They are.

00:15:53 ◼   ► - And I know this has gotta be worse for you than me,

00:15:56 ◼   ► 'cause I think you have more Apple Watches.

00:15:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, I was gonna say,

00:15:59 ◼   ► does your example involve upgrading to a new Apple Watch?

00:16:02 ◼   ► - Yes, and upgrading to a new Apple Watch is the worst.

00:16:07 ◼   ► - Yeah. - It takes forever,

00:16:09 ◼   ► and if you forget to do it in the right order,

00:16:12 ◼   ► you've gotta start all over from scratch.

00:16:14 ◼   ► You just want to put like a head to the desk kind of a thing.

00:16:20 ◼   ► It's very frustrating, especially as people who are dealing with review units, having

00:16:26 ◼   ► certain Apple watches paired to certain devices and some of them being backups of your old

00:16:30 ◼   ► phone and some of them not being backups of your old phone, and then trying to switch

00:16:35 ◼   ► those watches from one device to another is pretty much impossible unless they're on your

00:16:39 ◼   ► Apple ID and on your specific backup.

00:16:41 ◼   ► - You're basically tied to the phone.

00:16:43 ◼   ► And that's the thing that took me a while

00:16:46 ◼   ► to wrap my head around,

00:16:47 ◼   ► is like if your Apple Watch is not a separate device,

00:16:51 ◼   ► it's your Apple Watch and your iPhone.

00:16:53 ◼   ► And all of the backups get stored basically

00:16:57 ◼   ► as your iPhone backups.

00:16:58 ◼   ► So if you pair an Apple Watch to a brand new iPhone

00:17:01 ◼   ► that you haven't restored from backup,

00:17:03 ◼   ► and then you're like,

00:17:04 ◼   ► "Oh, I wanna switch that Apple Watch to a backed up iPhone,"

00:17:08 ◼   ► you're gonna be in a little bit of trouble.

00:17:10 ◼   ► You're not gonna be very happy.

00:17:12 ◼   ► - I find that the thing that gets me

00:17:15 ◼   ► is the fact that you don't get your watch backed up

00:17:18 ◼   ► until you unpair it from the phone.

00:17:22 ◼   ► And that feels so wrong to me.

00:17:24 ◼   ► And I don't see how any normal person,

00:17:26 ◼   ► no normal person would ever, ever think

00:17:29 ◼   ► that that's how it should be done.

00:17:31 ◼   ► And even if they're told that that's how it's done,

00:17:33 ◼   ► it doesn't look like you're doing the right thing.

00:17:37 ◼   ► Like even if you're just, somebody says,

00:17:40 ◼   ► here's what you do with your new iPhone.

00:17:42 ◼   ► First, unpair your watch from your old phone.

00:17:46 ◼   ► - Well, and the thing is-- - Then back up your old phone.

00:17:48 ◼   ► Then restore your new phone from that backup.

00:17:51 ◼   ► And then your watch, as you knew it, will still be there.

00:17:54 ◼   ► And then you can repair the watch,

00:17:56 ◼   ► and it'll go right back to where it was.

00:17:57 ◼   ► But when you go through those steps,

00:17:59 ◼   ► it doesn't look like you're doing that.

00:18:01 ◼   ► It looks like you're erasing your watch.

00:18:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, and there's no good dialogue from that box.

00:18:08 ◼   ► And it is, I'm pretty sure the watch

00:18:10 ◼   ► does get backed up nightly the same way

00:18:12 ◼   ► that the iPhone does when there's an iCloud backup.

00:18:14 ◼   ► No, it doesn't, 'cause there are intermediary backups

00:18:17 ◼   ► that are made, however, if you want to upgrade,

00:18:21 ◼   ► so let's say I'm going from a watch Series 0

00:18:23 ◼   ► to a watch Series 2, and I don't unpair the watch Series 0

00:18:28 ◼   ► before I go to the Series 2, the most recent backup

00:18:31 ◼   ► I might find might be two, three days old.

00:18:33 ◼   ► it's not gonna be current, which means you're not gonna

00:18:35 ◼   ► have your move data and you're not gonna have

00:18:37 ◼   ► your activity stuff, or it might be even older

00:18:39 ◼   ► if the backup didn't go through properly.

00:18:42 ◼   ► And that's really frustrating, the fact that you can't,

00:18:45 ◼   ► and there's no way to make a manual backup

00:18:48 ◼   ► unless you unpair it, which you were talking about,

00:18:50 ◼   ► which is like, that is the most frustrating thing.

00:18:53 ◼   ► Because when people Google how to backup your watch,

00:18:58 ◼   ► and it's not how to backup your watch,

00:19:00 ◼   ► it's how to unpair your watch,

00:19:01 ◼   ► which also makes a backup.

00:19:04 ◼   ► Like why couldn't there just be a button Apple?

00:19:06 ◼   ► Like really?

00:19:07 ◼   ► - I don't even see how you can see

00:19:09 ◼   ► where your latest backup is.

00:19:10 ◼   ► I don't know that you can.

00:19:11 ◼   ► I'm looking at that.

00:19:13 ◼   ► - The only way that you can see where your latest backup is

00:19:16 ◼   ► is when you're pairing a new watch, which is really dumb.

00:19:19 ◼   ► 'Cause that's, I ran into that in a weird kind of,

00:19:24 ◼   ► where I had, this is complicated,

00:19:26 ◼   ► I had a backup of my phone,

00:19:28 ◼   ► or I had restored an iPhone 7 review unit

00:19:31 ◼   ► from the regular backup of my phone.

00:19:33 ◼   ► So it was running all of my apps and everything else.

00:19:36 ◼   ► And then I had a watch that I was doing some activity data on

00:19:41 ◼   ► and then I switched to my Jet Black iPhone 7 Plus,

00:19:45 ◼   ► which came in.

00:19:46 ◼   ► And the iPhone 7 Plus, I had restored from an iPhone backup,

00:19:50 ◼   ► but I'd restored from an iPhone backup like two days prior.

00:19:53 ◼   ► So the 7 Plus and the 7 were two days off

00:19:58 ◼   ► in terms of backups.

00:19:59 ◼   ► So when I got my new, my non-review Apple Watch Series 2

00:20:03 ◼   ► and I went to pair it with the jet black iPhone 7 Plus,

00:20:08 ◼   ► it was only showing me Apple Watch backups

00:20:11 ◼   ► that were two days old or more.

00:20:13 ◼   ► Because it couldn't see that, despite the fact

00:20:16 ◼   ► that these phones were essentially going

00:20:18 ◼   ► to the same iCloud backup and had the same information

00:20:21 ◼   ► on them and like had the same health data even

00:20:24 ◼   ► because of it being in iCloud,

00:20:27 ◼   ► it couldn't see the Apple watch backups that the iPhone seven made because in

00:20:32 ◼   ► iCloud's mind it was an iPhone seven plus Apple watch combo and an iPhone seven

00:20:37 ◼   ► plus plus Apple watch combo. And it's just like,

00:20:41 ◼   ► it's, it's the same iCloud account. It's so frustrating.

00:20:46 ◼   ► I really hope that they put some effort into that. And I,

00:20:48 ◼   ► I'm almost surprised they haven't because I always think like, okay,

00:20:51 ◼   ► so when people like me and you sit here and complain and it's worse for us

00:20:56 ◼   ► because I'm on my third iPhone 7 now.

00:20:59 ◼   ► I had two review units and the one I bought and now own.

00:21:03 ◼   ► And only the one watch, I'm still

00:21:05 ◼   ► wearing the review unit watch because I don't know

00:21:07 ◼   ► what I want to buy for myself.

00:21:08 ◼   ► But I realized that it's a tiny little violin that's

00:21:14 ◼   ► playing sad music for us because we have this--

00:21:16 ◼   ► We have all of these phones.

00:21:18 ◼   ► Yeah, we have all these gadgets to play with.

00:21:21 ◼   ► But I just can't help but think--

00:21:23 ◼   ► and I know that they're not supposed

00:21:24 ◼   ► to solve these problems for us because we're edge cases.

00:21:26 ◼   ► But even normal people who just bought one new phone,

00:21:29 ◼   ► it's terrible if you go through

00:21:31 ◼   ► and didn't remember to unpair your watch first.

00:21:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, or the worst part is if you're wearing your,

00:21:36 ◼   ► yeah, if you're wearing your watch

00:21:37 ◼   ► and it's still paired to your old phone

00:21:39 ◼   ► and you don't think about pairing it to your new phone

00:21:41 ◼   ► until a couple days after you've had your new phone,

00:21:44 ◼   ► which is entirely likely because people,

00:21:46 ◼   ► again, you treat the Apple Watch as a separate device

00:21:49 ◼   ► for a certain period.

00:21:50 ◼   ► It was what you were saying with the first iPhone, right?

00:21:52 ◼   ► Where it's like, they're treating the Apple Watch

00:21:54 ◼   ► as pretty much a separate device.

00:21:56 ◼   ► oh, it has GPS now and you can go outside for walks

00:21:59 ◼   ► and you leave your iPhone at home,

00:22:01 ◼   ► but it is still tied to the iPhone.

00:22:02 ◼   ► And that's something that's not really marketed enough

00:22:05 ◼   ► outside of the, yeah, it uses the iPhone cellular signal.

00:22:08 ◼   ► No, it is an iPhone accessory.

00:22:10 ◼   ► So if it's not tied to your right iPhone,

00:22:12 ◼   ► then everything falls apart.

00:22:13 ◼   ► And that is something that I can see being very confusing

00:22:16 ◼   ► for the average user and something

00:22:18 ◼   ► that they'll just throw their hands up about.

00:22:19 ◼   ► - Well, and the thing is that surely

00:22:21 ◼   ► there must be a lot of people inside Apple

00:22:23 ◼   ► who go through the same thing

00:22:24 ◼   ► because they are using test devices.

00:22:27 ◼   ► So that's why I'm a little surprised that they

00:22:29 ◼   ► haven't addressed this.

00:22:31 ◼   ► I mean, and I think it's one of the reasons why

00:22:34 ◼   ► you are now able to have multiple watches paired

00:22:36 ◼   ► with one phone.

00:22:38 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:22:39 ◼   ► And part of it is that, of course, yeah,

00:22:41 ◼   ► if you want to buy a couple Apple watches,

00:22:43 ◼   ► Apple would love to sell you a couple.

00:22:45 ◼   ► But I'm sure that part of the reason that it's in there

00:22:47 ◼   ► is that some of the most likely--

00:22:48 ◼   ► Testers.

00:22:49 ◼   ► The most likely people to have several Apple

00:22:52 ◼   ► watches at the same time are people inside Apple who are testing new, you know, either

00:22:56 ◼   ► new, new software or new hardware or both.

00:22:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:23:00 ◼   ► It's got to get better.

00:23:02 ◼   ► It absolutely has to.

00:23:03 ◼   ► And I mean, I'm hopeful, especially as the as the watch evolves, but it's still it's

00:23:08 ◼   ► a pain point.

00:23:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:23:10 ◼   ► And it also seems like one thing in Siri, I didn't put a stopwatch to it.

00:23:13 ◼   ► So maybe it's just it went from really bad to sort of kind of bad.

00:23:17 ◼   ► The wireless network speed between your phone and the watch or something is so unbelievably slow.

00:23:25 ◼   ► It's so painful.

00:23:27 ◼   ► I swear I was restoring this watch after I just went through this again over the weekend where I had to unpair it,

00:23:36 ◼   ► because now I have it paired with the phone that I own myself.

00:23:39 ◼   ► And I let it go for an hour and I came back to it and it was still on that spinning, that slow spinner around the outside.

00:23:46 ◼   ► Oh no. I was like this is crazy. Did you restore your apps too?

00:23:51 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't have a lot of apps on my phone. But even so, yeah exactly.

00:23:55 ◼   ► It just it takes, when I was, I did a ton of speed tests because I got a, I got a series 2 review unit

00:24:02 ◼   ► but I also bought a series 1 for myself and then I had my original series 0 and I was doing like cross

00:24:07 ◼   ► crossways speed tests on all of these and the one thing like the series 2 like blows the series 0 out of the water in

00:24:15 ◼   ► in a bunch of different ways, the original generation Apple Watch. But when it comes to

00:24:21 ◼   ► barking talks, when it comes to the difference between like series two, series one, and the

00:24:28 ◼   ► original generation Apple Watch and boot time or restore time, like the boot time on an Apple Watch

00:24:35 ◼   ► series two is still over a minute. The boot time on series zero is like two and a half minutes,

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00:26:53 ◼   ► Anything else that bothers you about Apple's upgrade process?

00:27:00 ◼   ► like Mac, iOS, switching to a new device,

00:27:03 ◼   ► upgrading the OS, anything along those lines?

00:27:06 ◼   ► - Overall, I find it pretty smooth.

00:27:10 ◼   ► The only thing that I think is a little bit frustrating

00:27:13 ◼   ► is the, as much as I love the over-the-air download process

00:27:17 ◼   ► for iOS, it can be very frustrating to update

00:27:21 ◼   ► if you're on the go, obviously,

00:27:23 ◼   ► because it's a big download.

00:27:24 ◼   ► It's a bit, the iOS 10 download was a gigabyte.

00:27:28 ◼   ► But the problem is, because of the way

00:27:30 ◼   ► way that the download currently works, say I'm waiting around for my download to fit

00:27:35 ◼   ► in, like it's update day, right?

00:27:37 ◼   ► It's release day and I've downloaded half of the release, half of iOS 10 to my iPhone

00:27:42 ◼   ► and then for some reason I need to go out and do an errand.

00:27:45 ◼   ► Well, I could either leave the phone at home and at the rate that it was going maybe like

00:27:50 ◼   ► 10 kilobits a second, that would be downloaded, maybe half downloaded by the time I get back,

00:27:56 ◼   ► Or maybe I need the phone while I'm out and about, and if I take the phone and I leave

00:28:02 ◼   ► while it's downloading, there's no place where I can be like, pause my download while I go

00:28:07 ◼   ► off Wi-Fi, go do my errand, and then come back and resume my download and still have

00:28:12 ◼   ► the half of the update that I downloaded back.

00:28:15 ◼   ► You can do that on Safari for the Mac, you can do that even with iOS apps at this point

00:28:20 ◼   ► with pause download.

00:28:22 ◼   ► But there's no way to do that for these big updates.

00:28:25 ◼   ► And I realize that's, again, maybe a bit of an edge case.

00:28:29 ◼   ► But I know a lot of people who don't end up updating to iOS 10 because they don't

00:28:34 ◼   ► find time to.

00:28:35 ◼   ► Even with, Apple's done a lot better with the install while I'm sleeping and

00:28:40 ◼   ► stuff like that.

00:28:42 ◼   ► And the auto install night, that's all really nice improvements to this feature.

00:28:48 ◼   ► But it still runs, there are still people who, they start to install it and

00:28:54 ◼   ► and they think it's installed

00:28:55 ◼   ► because they started the process

00:28:56 ◼   ► and they don't even think, oh, you know,

00:28:58 ◼   ► if I leave my house before the install process is completed,

00:29:01 ◼   ► it's never, it's just going to stop the install process

00:29:04 ◼   ► and I'm never gonna get it installed.

00:29:06 ◼   ► Like just the average user

00:29:07 ◼   ► is not obsessive about download things.

00:29:09 ◼   ► They just, they've gotten used to the iOS app, you know?

00:29:13 ◼   ► I'm downloading an iOS app

00:29:15 ◼   ► and the iOS app is gonna download wherever I am.

00:29:17 ◼   ► Or it'll, you know, even if it can't get

00:29:19 ◼   ► a good network connection

00:29:20 ◼   ► or if I have cellular data turned off

00:29:22 ◼   ► while I'm running around,

00:29:23 ◼   ► it'll come back and finish downloading

00:29:25 ◼   ► when I get back to my computer.

00:29:27 ◼   ► But the update is not like that.

00:29:29 ◼   ► So that's my nitpicky complaint.

00:29:31 ◼   ► I can't really think of too many other ones.

00:29:33 ◼   ► - Me neither, but I agree with you.

00:29:36 ◼   ► Here's one thing, if we're gonna skip around,

00:29:39 ◼   ► but if we talk about iOS 10

00:29:42 ◼   ► and how it's faring in the real world,

00:29:44 ◼   ► I'm hearing from, I don't wanna drop names,

00:29:48 ◼   ► but people in the house,

00:29:52 ◼   ► that the heavier doses of 3D touch to do things,

00:29:59 ◼   ► or force touch, whatever they call it.

00:30:01 ◼   ► I guess on iOS it's called 3D touch.

00:30:04 ◼   ► It is not a welcome addition to the operating system.

00:30:09 ◼   ► Not a welcome addition, how?

00:30:10 ◼   ► That it's too confusing or not intuitive

00:30:14 ◼   ► when you need to press hard and when you just

00:30:16 ◼   ► need to normally tap.

00:30:17 ◼   ► and that having these things that,

00:30:19 ◼   ► like just to do the stickers in messages

00:30:24 ◼   ► that you have to force touch on the arrow.

00:30:25 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, to move it.

00:30:27 ◼   ► - I see some merit in that.

00:30:32 ◼   ► And to me, it's sort of like the old one button mouse

00:30:36 ◼   ► versus two button mouse argument,

00:30:39 ◼   ► where it seemed like, but maybe a little different,

00:30:44 ◼   ► because it seemed like in the old days

00:30:47 ◼   ► when Apple seemingly obstinately stuck to a one-button mouse

00:30:51 ◼   ► when every single, it was a fundamental aspect

00:30:55 ◼   ► of the Windows user interface

00:30:56 ◼   ► that there were things you would right-click on.

00:30:58 ◼   ► You couldn't really even properly use Windows

00:31:02 ◼   ► without a two-button mouse, and I don't know that anybody,

00:31:05 ◼   ► I don't even know that you could buy it

00:31:06 ◼   ► like a one-button mouse for a PC.

00:31:09 ◼   ► It wasn't even a thing.

00:31:11 ◼   ► Whereas, and it seemed like everybody,

00:31:13 ◼   ► the consensus among the nerds was that Apple

00:31:16 ◼   ► just sticking to this out of spite. Whereas what I saw was that this is, sure, if you're

00:31:21 ◼   ► a power user, you can go buy a two-button mouse or mouse with a scroll wheel and plug

00:31:26 ◼   ► it in and it'll work. But for most people, all they have to do is understand click. And

00:31:31 ◼   ► having just one type of click is fundamentally, it's so much simpler than even just having

00:31:37 ◼   ► two types of clicks, let alone the crazy gaming mice you can buy with 20 different buttons.

00:31:43 ◼   ► But even just going from one to two is a huge difference.

00:31:46 ◼   ► And everybody has seen people in the real world who don't know what to click on, what

00:31:52 ◼   ► to double click on, and stuff like that.

00:31:55 ◼   ► Click and double click was confusing enough for some people.

00:31:59 ◼   ► And I felt like that was part of the genius of iOS, was dialing that all the way back

00:32:03 ◼   ► to just tap.

00:32:04 ◼   ► Everything is a tap.

00:32:06 ◼   ► And I think Force Touch convulates that to some degree.

00:32:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:32:11 ◼   ► we were already getting into more advanced options with things like long presses, which have existed, I don't know, at least at least four or five iOS generations, maybe more. And earlier with the with third parties, I see 3d touch a lot in the way that I see two button mice on, you know, 1990s, early 2000s Apple computers, which is, there's not really anything on an iPhone, at least that I can think of,

00:32:40 ◼   ► where 3D touch is necessary to do a core function.

00:32:44 ◼   ► You know, 3D touch makes it faster

00:32:47 ◼   ► to open the battery pane in settings,

00:32:48 ◼   ► but you can still get to the battery pane

00:32:50 ◼   ► if you tap on settings and then tap on battery

00:32:52 ◼   ► and then tap on low power mode.

00:32:54 ◼   ► Like, can you think of something in,

00:32:57 ◼   ► like I can think of stuff on the watch

00:32:59 ◼   ► where you need force press to do extra things,

00:33:02 ◼   ► but is there something besides maybe stickers

00:33:06 ◼   ► where you really need a force press?

00:33:07 ◼   ► - The messages is one where there's certain things

00:33:10 ◼   ► that you seem to have to force press.

00:33:11 ◼   ► And then the other thing is to interact

00:33:13 ◼   ► with the notification widgets, right?

00:33:15 ◼   ► It seems like-- - Yeah, well, that's true.

00:33:17 ◼   ► But again, you can tap on the notification widget

00:33:20 ◼   ► and it'll send you to the right area.

00:33:22 ◼   ► - Well, I get it, but it seems like Amy,

00:33:25 ◼   ► to just name one person, doesn't always get,

00:33:28 ◼   ► and she seems frustrated that sometimes she thinks

00:33:33 ◼   ► she's pressing plenty hard enough to get a force touch

00:33:36 ◼   ► and it's not registering.

00:33:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, well that I think is an absolutely valid complaint

00:33:41 ◼   ► in that Force Touch sometimes works marvelously.

00:33:45 ◼   ► And I have my Force Touch 3D Touch pressed firmly.

00:33:50 ◼   ► I have my setting to the lightest version

00:33:53 ◼   ► so that it will trigger almost immediately

00:33:55 ◼   ► once I start pressing down on the screen.

00:33:57 ◼   ► And I would say it works about 75% of the time.

00:34:00 ◼   ► - Right, that's not good enough.

00:34:02 ◼   ► - No, exactly.

00:34:03 ◼   ► And it's like, I mean, it will work other times,

00:34:05 ◼   ► but other times it requires a little bit of firmer press

00:34:07 ◼   ► and I'm not sure if it's because there's something

00:34:10 ◼   ► on my fingers or if it's just the screen is misreading.

00:34:13 ◼   ► But yeah, it's a little bit frustrating.

00:34:16 ◼   ► And the place where I notice it the most

00:34:18 ◼   ► is turning the keyboard, if you press firmly

00:34:21 ◼   ► when the keyboard's active, you can turn that

00:34:24 ◼   ► into a movable cursor.

00:34:25 ◼   ► And I use that all the time when I'm writing on iOS.

00:34:29 ◼   ► And it was very, I don't know, very noticeable for me.

00:34:32 ◼   ► - I would just, I will reiterate that.

00:34:34 ◼   ► That is my favorite 3D Touch feature.

00:34:37 ◼   ► The first time I saw it last year, I was like,

00:34:39 ◼   ► oh, I will use that all the time.

00:34:41 ◼   ► And then I proceeded to forget that it existed

00:34:43 ◼   ► for weeks at a time.

00:34:44 ◼   ► So for listeners of the show, if you take one thing away,

00:34:46 ◼   ► if you're gonna write down an actual note

00:34:48 ◼   ► while you're listening to us talk,

00:34:49 ◼   ► the one thing I would emphasize is remember

00:34:51 ◼   ► that you can force touch on the keyboard

00:34:53 ◼   ► to make the cursor like a mouse cursor

00:34:56 ◼   ► that you can move around.

00:34:56 ◼   ► Because once you really do internalize that

00:34:59 ◼   ► and you don't even have to think about it to use it,

00:35:02 ◼   ► it is the best text editing change

00:35:05 ◼   ► since the original iPhone.

00:35:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, since copy and paste, quite honestly.

00:35:09 ◼   ► I don't use the, I rarely use the loop ever.

00:35:13 ◼   ► Like, and if you press harder--

00:35:15 ◼   ► - If you get a notification that you want to reply to,

00:35:17 ◼   ► like a messages one would be an example,

00:35:20 ◼   ► Tweetbot has it now for DMs,

00:35:22 ◼   ► you have to force touch on it to get the inline,

00:35:25 ◼   ► don't even open the app, just let me reply right here.

00:35:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, no, it looks like if you just tap the notification,

00:35:31 ◼   ► it'll send you directly into the app.

00:35:33 ◼   ► But I mean, again--

00:35:33 ◼   ► - But you have to force touch to get that little shortcut.

00:35:35 ◼   ► to get the short, but again, we're talking about shortcuts.

00:35:37 ◼   ► We're not talking about things where it's like,

00:35:40 ◼   ► or you know what, actually, I take it back,

00:35:42 ◼   ► because if it appears at the top of the screen,

00:35:45 ◼   ► you can drag down and it'll give you the information.

00:35:49 ◼   ► So you can drag on it the same way that you could

00:35:51 ◼   ► in I think iOS 9 or iOS 8,

00:35:53 ◼   ► and it would give you the same kind of further preview.

00:35:56 ◼   ► - If it were up to me, I think I would make,

00:35:59 ◼   ► I think that Force Touch should only and always

00:36:03 ◼   ► be a shortcut for a long press.

00:36:06 ◼   ► - Yes, I agree with that.

00:36:07 ◼   ► - So that anything that you do with a force touch,

00:36:10 ◼   ► if you just hold there, you'll get the same thing.

00:36:13 ◼   ► And I think that would be an accessibility win,

00:36:16 ◼   ► 'cause I think it would help for anybody

00:36:17 ◼   ► who actually can't press hard enough.

00:36:20 ◼   ► And I think conceptually it would simplify things.

00:36:22 ◼   ► And I know that there are some conflicts.

00:36:25 ◼   ► Like right now you force touch on an app icon

00:36:28 ◼   ► on the home screen to get the list of shortcuts

00:36:30 ◼   ► for that app, and you long press

00:36:32 ◼   ► to get into jiggle mode where you rearrange apps.

00:36:35 ◼   ► But I-- - That's so annoying.

00:36:36 ◼   ► I wish you'd just do both.

00:36:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think it should just be one shortcut

00:36:40 ◼   ► and then one of the options for every app

00:36:42 ◼   ► would be like edit dot dot dot.

00:36:43 ◼   ► - Edit, yeah, exactly.

00:36:44 ◼   ► - And use like an icon to indicate that,

00:36:47 ◼   ► I'm sure there's some visual way that you could indicate

00:36:49 ◼   ► like this is how you get into the old jiggle mode.

00:36:52 ◼   ► It could easily be tied together like that.

00:36:56 ◼   ► And the other one that I remember

00:36:58 ◼   ► is if you go to the Apple Weather app

00:37:00 ◼   ► and you go to the list of cities or locations,

00:37:05 ◼   ► I tried to rearrange them before a trip

00:37:08 ◼   ► to move where I was going up to be number two

00:37:11 ◼   ► so I could always, right beneath the local,

00:37:14 ◼   ► wherever I am, and I couldn't remember

00:37:17 ◼   ► how to rearrange the cities for the life of me.

00:37:19 ◼   ► I just kept force touching on them

00:37:20 ◼   ► and it just kept opening them

00:37:22 ◼   ► and it took me a minute to remember

00:37:24 ◼   ► that you have to press and hold on that.

00:37:24 ◼   ► - Wow, you have to press firmly.

00:37:27 ◼   ► - No, not press firmly.

00:37:28 ◼   ► You press firmly-- - Oh, no, no, no,

00:37:29 ◼   ► - That's right, press lightly to rearrange.

00:37:32 ◼   ► Press firmly to like pull up a pop-up.

00:37:34 ◼   ► - Right, and if while you're waiting

00:37:37 ◼   ► for the hold to be long enough,

00:37:38 ◼   ► you start pressing too hard, it opens up.

00:37:40 ◼   ► - Those little things are so frustrating,

00:37:44 ◼   ► especially if you are somebody who goes in between

00:37:48 ◼   ► pressing firmly and long presses,

00:37:50 ◼   ► like trying to rearrange your app icons.

00:37:52 ◼   ► That's kind of an exercise in frustration,

00:37:56 ◼   ► And maybe just not enough people rearrange their app icons on a regular basis anymore.

00:38:01 ◼   ► They just, they don't care about the way their home screen looks or, cause I feel like Apple must be getting complaints about this, right?

00:38:08 ◼   ► Oh, I'm trying to rearrange my icons and I can't remember how to do it anymore.

00:38:11 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:38:12 ◼   ► It just, uh, I feel like it could be made together.

00:38:16 ◼   ► I feel like they, you know, be like an iOS 11 change, not like an iOS 10.2 change, but I feel like long press and force touch could be unified.

00:38:25 ◼   ► I think so. And it may, it may be one of those things where, sorry, the...

00:38:33 ◼   ► A little more.

00:38:34 ◼   ► Yeah. I think Rick is coming home. So they're really excited. Yeah, I think it may be something where in iOS 11, we may see a more drastic change to the home screen or something like that, where they're kind of like, we know this is a hack job right now.

00:38:52 ◼   ► but we promise it will all go away soon.

00:38:56 ◼   ► And I under, like, part of me understands that from a,

00:39:00 ◼   ► okay, we're working towards a bigger objective

00:39:03 ◼   ► and a bigger picture here, but the fact remains

00:39:05 ◼   ► that 3D Touch has now been in an operation

00:39:07 ◼   ► or will be in operation for two whole release cycles.

00:39:10 ◼   ► And to say, like, this is a hand wave,

00:39:12 ◼   ► we're gonna make it better soon for two years worth,

00:39:15 ◼   ► that's stretching it for the average user.

00:39:18 ◼   ► That's kind of painful.

00:39:20 ◼   ► - It is interesting to me watching the reaction

00:39:22 ◼   ► of people who are all new to iOS 10.

00:39:26 ◼   ► And we talked before about the home button change,

00:39:29 ◼   ► where you have to--

00:39:31 ◼   ► there's no more swipe to unlock.

00:39:34 ◼   ► Seems like at first, an awful lot of people

00:39:37 ◼   ► objected to some of the visual changes in iOS 10,

00:39:41 ◼   ► which I think in broad strokes--

00:39:45 ◼   ► In terms of the new control center?

00:39:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:39:47 ◼   ► And the-- yeah.

00:39:49 ◼   ► In a way, the widgets look more like windows.

00:39:53 ◼   ► There's like a 3D-ness, and they're not full width.

00:39:57 ◼   ► They have entire-- they're encapsulated.

00:40:00 ◼   ► They're a little bubbly.

00:40:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:02 ◼   ► There's just a little bit more depth to the interface.

00:40:04 ◼   ► It is-- to borrow an overused term from when iOS 7 came out,

00:40:10 ◼   ► it's less flat.

00:40:12 ◼   ► And not so much in a way that the actual individual buttons

00:40:16 ◼   ► and little windows themselves have 3D,

00:40:19 ◼   ► but that the layering of where they are in the system

00:40:22 ◼   ► is more 3D.

00:40:22 ◼   ► I like it a lot.

00:40:23 ◼   ► I think it's actually, to me, it's like iOS 10 has really,

00:40:28 ◼   ► it just shows how long it takes to get a major design right.

00:40:35 ◼   ► And to me, iOS 10 is the one where,

00:40:38 ◼   ► what they were thinking with iOS 7,

00:40:40 ◼   ► they've really dialed it back up

00:40:44 ◼   ► to the appropriate level of depth.

00:40:47 ◼   ► - It's an iMovie 08 to iMovie 11 kind of thing.

00:40:50 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:40:51 ◼   ► - I wrote a, go ahead.

00:40:53 ◼   ► - Well, it just seems to me like people complained

00:40:55 ◼   ► about it at first, but it seems like right now,

00:40:57 ◼   ► as of now, everybody, now it was really just the newness

00:41:00 ◼   ► that bothered them.

00:41:01 ◼   ► And now they've gotten used to it.

00:41:03 ◼   ► - Well, it's the, any time that you change

00:41:06 ◼   ► someone's interaction path, they're gonna grumble

00:41:08 ◼   ► about it for a little while.

00:41:09 ◼   ► Same thing we were talking about with touch ID

00:41:12 ◼   ► and opening the phone, where it's like the control center

00:41:14 ◼   ► now having multiple cards.

00:41:16 ◼   ► Initially, that was a bit of a pain,

00:41:18 ◼   ► especially if you're dealing with sliders,

00:41:20 ◼   ► because if you don't tap on the right place for a slider,

00:41:23 ◼   ► you might accidentally slide the pane left to right,

00:41:26 ◼   ► and putting things in slightly different places,

00:41:29 ◼   ► being like, oh, I can't find this anymore,

00:41:31 ◼   ► and where is this?

00:41:32 ◼   ► And why does Notification Center

00:41:34 ◼   ► still have the widget screen in it,

00:41:36 ◼   ► despite the fact that the widget screen

00:41:37 ◼   ► is now its own real thing on the left-hand side?

00:41:40 ◼   ► Like there are still little bits and pieces here

00:41:43 ◼   ► that aren't quite right, but I wrote about this

00:41:47 ◼   ► right after WWDC in terms of the way that Apple

00:41:50 ◼   ► has changed the visual narrative to really be about

00:41:53 ◼   ► stacks and layers and about, you know,

00:41:55 ◼   ► the home screen is kind of your neutral layer now

00:41:58 ◼   ► and then apps pop up on top and you've got control center

00:42:02 ◼   ► and notification center on top above everything else.

00:42:06 ◼   ► And it's just, it's unified it now,

00:42:07 ◼   ► where it actually makes sense.

00:42:09 ◼   ► and then the lock screen is on top of everything else

00:42:11 ◼   ► because the lock screen is basically like

00:42:12 ◼   ► keeping you in this box.

00:42:14 ◼   ► Like, you're opening the box, you're pressing through

00:42:17 ◼   ► with the home button to go into this box.

00:42:20 ◼   ► And it's, I don't know, from a purely like,

00:42:24 ◼   ► tactile visual sense, which, odd combination of words there,

00:42:28 ◼   ► but really, it's very pleasing subconsciously, I think.

00:42:33 ◼   ► And initially, again, people are gonna be complaining

00:42:36 ◼   ► about it because it's not what they were used to, right?

00:42:39 ◼   ► But as you get used to it,

00:42:41 ◼   ► I think it becomes more and more comfortable

00:42:43 ◼   ► and things make sense.

00:42:45 ◼   ► It goes from a, I'm looking for this feature.

00:42:49 ◼   ► Oh, well, now I'm getting trained.

00:42:51 ◼   ► I'm getting visually trained to be like, okay,

00:42:54 ◼   ► well, apps are found by pulling something up

00:42:58 ◼   ► or pulling from a side of the screen

00:43:00 ◼   ► or moving from side, like there's, I don't know,

00:43:03 ◼   ► I really like the direction they're going with this.

00:43:06 ◼   ► - One of the things that I think

00:43:08 ◼   ► that they got wrong in iOS 7,

00:43:10 ◼   ► and to me, this is, iOS 10 is really where they've fixed it

00:43:15 ◼   ► in a lot of ways, is, and this is something I think that,

00:43:19 ◼   ► I'm willing to excuse a lot of it

00:43:20 ◼   ► as it just takes more than one or two years

00:43:23 ◼   ► to get a complete redesign right.

00:43:26 ◼   ► This is one of the things I think they could have gotten

00:43:28 ◼   ► much better right from the start,

00:43:30 ◼   ► and for some reason whatever was in their heads,

00:43:33 ◼   ► collectively, was wrong, was making sure

00:43:37 ◼   ► that the visual indication of something

00:43:39 ◼   ► that's either on or off is absolutely clear.

00:43:43 ◼   ► And I think it was a desire for aesthetic purposes

00:43:50 ◼   ► to not use color is what burned them in iOS 7.

00:43:55 ◼   ► And so for example, what I'm looking at

00:43:57 ◼   ► is the way that when you have Wi-Fi on in Control Center,

00:44:00 ◼   ► it's just a bright, vivid blue.

00:44:02 ◼   ► And then if you tap it to turn it off,

00:44:04 ◼   ► it is very clearly off because it's gray and drab.

00:44:09 ◼   ► I think that's one of my favorite changes,

00:44:11 ◼   ► is just the way that they're way more

00:44:14 ◼   ► willing in iOS 10 to use plops, little bits of very vivid color

00:44:20 ◼   ► to clearly indicate state in a way that they weren't before.

00:44:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:25 ◼   ► I mean, the color changes to iOS 10, I think,

00:44:27 ◼   ► have been one of the biggest improvements

00:44:31 ◼   ► upon the flat design, because you do,

00:44:34 ◼   ► it's like, okay, we can't use depth inside our buttons

00:44:38 ◼   ► to show what's on, what's off,

00:44:40 ◼   ► so let's actually use really bright, vivid, nice colors.

00:44:43 ◼   ► And you saw them kind of experimenting with that

00:44:45 ◼   ► in the original music app,

00:44:47 ◼   ► but it's really come kind of full circle now.

00:44:50 ◼   ► And you can kind of even see where they're going

00:44:53 ◼   ► by looking at the new music app and the new maps app

00:44:55 ◼   ► in terms of that like bolder, the bolder design

00:44:58 ◼   ► and using bright colors for each of the entries.

00:45:01 ◼   ► I like that so much more than just,

00:45:03 ◼   ► here's black and here's gray.

00:45:06 ◼   ► - All right, here's one I got like,

00:45:08 ◼   ► it was like my most explosively popular tweet of the month

00:45:12 ◼   ► was just the simple observation

00:45:16 ◼   ► that the night shift button in Control Center

00:45:19 ◼   ► has an unusual prominence and amount of screen real estate.

00:45:22 ◼   ► - It's so large, I don't understand.

00:45:25 ◼   ► Like, I never ever want to use this feature.

00:45:29 ◼   ► I don't like it.

00:45:30 ◼   ► I understand lots of people do.

00:45:33 ◼   ► Very popular with some people,

00:45:34 ◼   ► but I don't understand why it's so much more prominent

00:45:36 ◼   ► than any of the five things at the top,

00:45:38 ◼   ► airplane mode, wifi, Bluetooth,

00:45:41 ◼   ► do not disturb, and then rotation lock.

00:45:45 ◼   ► - Especially because night shift

00:45:46 ◼   ► should be set automatically, right?

00:45:49 ◼   ► - Right.

00:45:50 ◼   ► - It's like to go at a certain time.

00:45:51 ◼   ► - Right, if you really like the feature,

00:45:53 ◼   ► why in the world wouldn't you have it set

00:45:54 ◼   ► to turn on at sundown.

00:45:57 ◼   ► - I wonder if it's a placeholder for something.

00:46:01 ◼   ► - That's what an awful lot of people suspect

00:46:04 ◼   ► is that it's a placeholder,

00:46:06 ◼   ► but what is it that they think it's a placeholder for?

00:46:09 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:46:10 ◼   ► - There is something, and it's not occurring to me.

00:46:13 ◼   ► There's something that people--

00:46:14 ◼   ► - I mean, you could argue play/pause buttons

00:46:16 ◼   ► instead of the music having its own--

00:46:18 ◼   ► - Well, that's the thing, that's where I'm going,

00:46:19 ◼   ► is that there are people,

00:46:21 ◼   ► 'cause there used to be room there

00:46:22 ◼   ► for the little playback controls.

00:46:25 ◼   ► And people, that does seem like one change

00:46:27 ◼   ► that I think has merit,

00:46:28 ◼   ► and it's not just resistance to change,

00:46:31 ◼   ► but that seems to me like real people

00:46:33 ◼   ► are not happy with the playback controls

00:46:36 ◼   ► being on a second screen.

00:46:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't mind it so much.

00:46:41 ◼   ► It's just, it's the problem of discovery, right?

00:46:44 ◼   ► Where people who are used to Control Center

00:46:46 ◼   ► just having one pane, they pull it up,

00:46:48 ◼   ► and they don't see the tiny dots at the bottom.

00:46:50 ◼   ► They just see the fact that there are no music controls,

00:46:52 ◼   ► so they automatically assume that the music app,

00:46:55 ◼   ► just you can't control it from Control Center anymore.

00:46:57 ◼   ► - It would be nice to be able to edit

00:47:00 ◼   ► the Control Center though,

00:47:01 ◼   ► to make Control Center something

00:47:03 ◼   ► where you can configure it to be just what you use.

00:47:07 ◼   ► - I completely agree.

00:47:09 ◼   ► Maybe that's the placeholder for Night Shift.

00:47:12 ◼   ► - Some people, I've also seen some people

00:47:14 ◼   ► in response to my tweets say,

00:47:15 ◼   ► why can't it be like Notification Center

00:47:17 ◼   ► where you pull down from the top

00:47:19 ◼   ► and Notification Center is full screen?

00:47:21 ◼   ► Why doesn't control center full screen?

00:47:23 ◼   ► Then there'd be room for everything on one screen.

00:47:25 ◼   ► And I think that the obvious answer to that is,

00:47:29 ◼   ► especially with the plus,

00:47:30 ◼   ► you can't reach the stuff at the top.

00:47:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, and-- - You know, that it's,

00:47:34 ◼   ► it seems very clearly designed to me

00:47:37 ◼   ► that it's meant to be reachable with one thumb,

00:47:40 ◼   ► and then, you know, so therefore it really shouldn't

00:47:44 ◼   ► and can't be full screen.

00:47:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, and if you try, you can't use reachability

00:47:49 ◼   ► when Control Center is active?

00:47:51 ◼   ► You can with Notification Center,

00:47:52 ◼   ► but not with Control Center.

00:47:54 ◼   ► - Reachability is a good one.

00:47:57 ◼   ► So I wrote in my iPhone 7 review

00:48:00 ◼   ► that I had to turn reachability off

00:48:02 ◼   ► because I found myself constantly,

00:48:05 ◼   ► inadvertently invoking it.

00:48:07 ◼   ► Anecdotally, asking around with a bunch of friends on Slack,

00:48:13 ◼   ► A, my friends, a lot of my friends

00:48:17 ◼   ► have run into this themselves

00:48:18 ◼   ► and had to do the same thing, turn off reachability.

00:48:21 ◼   ► And B, they reported that the normals in their life

00:48:26 ◼   ► have been running into the same thing

00:48:30 ◼   ► and that the normal people have no idea

00:48:33 ◼   ► what the hell reachability is.

00:48:35 ◼   ► And that it just--

00:48:36 ◼   ► - They just don't know why their screen

00:48:38 ◼   ► is going down halfway.

00:48:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, a friend of the show, John Siracusa,

00:48:41 ◼   ► said that his mom invoked it on her iPad

00:48:45 ◼   ► and his dad fixed it by restarting the iPad.

00:48:47 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:48:49 ◼   ► But that it was so confusing that it looked,

00:48:52 ◼   ► and I can see why.

00:48:53 ◼   ► It almost seems like a drawing problem.

00:48:55 ◼   ► Like you've run into this bizarre bug

00:48:57 ◼   ► where the computer is drawing your screen halfway down.

00:49:00 ◼   ► - Oh my gosh. - Have you run into this

00:49:02 ◼   ► or no?

00:49:03 ◼   ► - You know, I actually, I was expecting to,

00:49:06 ◼   ► after hearing a bunch of people get really concerned

00:49:08 ◼   ► about it with the new home button,

00:49:09 ◼   ► and I actually haven't at all.

00:49:11 ◼   ► Then maybe that's just because I have used reachability

00:49:16 ◼   ► a fair amount when I've been using the plus.

00:49:18 ◼   ► So I have figured out kind of a way to trigger it

00:49:21 ◼   ► versus a way to just press the home button.

00:49:23 ◼   ► The bigger problem that I've actually been having,

00:49:24 ◼   ► and again, this is kind of a niche thing,

00:49:26 ◼   ► but I've had a problem taking screenshots

00:49:28 ◼   ► where I used to have no problem whatsoever,

00:49:32 ◼   ► but because of the home button,

00:49:33 ◼   ► I now have the same problem that I have on the Apple Watch

00:49:35 ◼   ► where I have to press one button and then the other

00:49:38 ◼   ► to really make sure that the screenshot takes,

00:49:40 ◼   ► especially if I'm doing something weird,

00:49:41 ◼   ► like taking a picture of the camera app

00:49:43 ◼   ► while the camera app is open.

00:49:45 ◼   ► I don't know why either.

00:49:48 ◼   ► I don't know why.

00:49:49 ◼   ► And subjective preference for the new home button

00:49:54 ◼   ► versus the old home button aside,

00:49:56 ◼   ► I find that my screenshots have like a 50% failure right now.

00:50:00 ◼   ► Either the home button takes me home

00:50:05 ◼   ► before the screenshot takes off

00:50:07 ◼   ► or the power button powers off of the--

00:50:09 ◼   ► - Turns it off and that's even worse.

00:50:11 ◼   ► - Turns it off.

00:50:12 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:50:13 ◼   ► I have found the opposite though.

00:50:16 ◼   ► I found that the only way I can get it to work reliably

00:50:18 ◼   ► is to concentrate very hard on simultaneously post,

00:50:22 ◼   ► very, with much concentration,

00:50:24 ◼   ► pressing both buttons at the same time.

00:50:26 ◼   ► - It's even worse on the plus model too,

00:50:28 ◼   ► because it's so darn big.

00:50:30 ◼   ► Just trying to time it is impossible.

00:50:33 ◼   ► Like those are truly, truly first world problems.

00:50:38 ◼   ► And not a huge deal.

00:50:40 ◼   ► But you know, it's things that I certainly

00:50:43 ◼   ► wouldn't be adverse to an Apple engineer looking at

00:50:46 ◼   ► and being like, hmm, maybe we need to adjust the timing.

00:50:48 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:50:49 ◼   ► Trying to think what else people are complaining about.

00:50:54 ◼   ► Like that might be it.

00:50:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, hmm, on the iPhone.

00:51:02 ◼   ► I mean, people are complaining

00:51:03 ◼   ► about the home button behavior,

00:51:05 ◼   ► that aside, or just the feel of the home button.

00:51:07 ◼   ► But I feel, I don't know.

00:51:08 ◼   ► I really like the new home button.

00:51:10 ◼   ► I vastly prefer it. - Okay, that was

00:51:11 ◼   ► my next question. - Yeah.

00:51:13 ◼   ► - What setting do you use?

00:51:15 ◼   ► - Currently, I have the hardest click on,

00:51:16 ◼   ► 'cause I do like, I just like the feel of the Taptic Engine,

00:51:20 ◼   ► so I like having kind of that rumble

00:51:24 ◼   ► when I press in on the home button.

00:51:26 ◼   ► But I also like kinda, Matthew Panzorino mentioned this

00:51:30 ◼   ► in his review, and I thought that it was quite smart,

00:51:33 ◼   ► where he was saying, "Oh, I switch the severity

00:51:36 ◼   ► of the Taptic Engine when I'm doing things where I

00:51:39 ◼   ► don't want to wake up my baby or I want to do, you

00:51:41 ◼   ► know, I want to access the home button while I'm on

00:51:43 ◼   ► a podcast and I don't want to disturb anybody.

00:51:45 ◼   ► And I'm like, that's actually brilliant because

00:51:48 ◼   ► there are, there've been so many times where I'm

00:51:50 ◼   ► like, I want to test out an iPhone or test out a

00:51:52 ◼   ► feature in the middle of a podcast.

00:51:53 ◼   ► But, but the click on an old iPhone, especially

00:51:57 ◼   ► if you're doing it anywhere near the mic is a,

00:51:58 ◼   ► is pretty prominent.

00:52:00 ◼   ► And it's, it's like a click on an old, a click

00:52:03 ◼   ► on an old trackpad or an old mouse.

00:52:05 ◼   ► I am still firmly in the I prefer the old the old button old button and I it's been enough time now

00:52:13 ◼   ► uh that I think it's I think it you know I forget when did I get this when did I start using this

00:52:20 ◼   ► it must have been three weeks three weeks yeah um but I can accept it and I've I had that feeling

00:52:26 ◼   ► right from the start even just a day in I was like I don't think I like this I think I prefer

00:52:31 ◼   ► or the other way, but it's fine.

00:52:33 ◼   ► I am also on button level three.

00:52:38 ◼   ► Other friend of the show, though, Ben Thompson,

00:52:40 ◼   ► of Stratechery fame, he loves the new button.

00:52:44 ◼   ► And that's where I'm going with this,

00:52:46 ◼   ► is that it is very clear that I don't like it as much.

00:52:49 ◼   ► Other people-- you, Ben Thompson-- like it,

00:52:52 ◼   ► prefer it to the old button.

00:52:53 ◼   ► Ben also is a proponent of setting one.

00:52:57 ◼   ► He thinks that setting three is for people

00:53:00 ◼   ► who want to fake a button and that you should go with the flow that it's not a button.

00:53:06 ◼   ► And he likes it on setting number one.

00:53:08 ◼   ► And so on his advice, I spent a day and a half on setting one.

00:53:12 ◼   ► And I guess I can kind of see it, but then when I went back to three, I was like, "Oh,

00:53:16 ◼   ► no, this is much nicer."

00:53:17 ◼   ► No, you know, I just like tactile sensation too.

00:53:20 ◼   ► This is the same reason why sometimes I will just open up the date picker and just play

00:53:25 ◼   ► with it on the new models, because it's just nice.

00:53:28 ◼   ► It's nice to feel.

00:53:29 ◼   ► On that, I was thinking, I'm so glad you said that, because you mentioned with the control

00:53:36 ◼   ► center, when you go to change the brightness slider, if you miss, you actually just slide

00:53:42 ◼   ► over to music.

00:53:43 ◼   ► They should have a little taptic feedback for the slider.

00:53:46 ◼   ► Oh, that's a great idea.

00:53:47 ◼   ► Like a little tick, tick, tick.

00:53:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:50 ◼   ► As soon as you, then you know that you've got the little, the thing that you actually

00:53:54 ◼   ► slide.

00:53:55 ◼   ► - Especially you already have the haptic

00:53:57 ◼   ► in Control Center when you slide up.

00:53:59 ◼   ► - Right. - But you don't have a haptic

00:54:00 ◼   ► sliding side to side, so clearly.

00:54:02 ◼   ► - It would let you know, it would confirm for you

00:54:04 ◼   ► that you've got the nubbin or whatever.

00:54:06 ◼   ► - I honestly think right now in iOS 10.0.2,

00:54:10 ◼   ► I think we're on the main seed,

00:54:15 ◼   ► taptic feedback is very,

00:54:16 ◼   ► I don't wanna say haphazardly implemented,

00:54:19 ◼   ► but it's very much like the engineers put in

00:54:22 ◼   ► a bunch of potential things

00:54:24 ◼   ► and then left out a bunch of potential other ones

00:54:26 ◼   ► and like, let's see what sticks.

00:54:27 ◼   ► Let's see what people like.

00:54:28 ◼   ► Let's see if, you know, people might write and say,

00:54:31 ◼   ► we hate all of this tactic stuff.

00:54:33 ◼   ► But every, like there are places where I feel like

00:54:35 ◼   ► I should have tactic.

00:54:36 ◼   ► Like in notes, tapping on a note

00:54:39 ◼   ► to change to the keyboard view,

00:54:40 ◼   ► I wanted like a little, a click there to let me know,

00:54:44 ◼   ► oh, I'm in editing view, oh, I'm out of editing view.

00:54:47 ◼   ► Or have you, this is my favorite--

00:54:49 ◼   ► - Well, it should feel like it comes up.

00:54:50 ◼   ► Like in the way that when you spin the date picker,

00:54:52 ◼   ► it feels like it's spinning in the direction

00:54:55 ◼   ► that you are spinning.

00:54:57 ◼   ► The keyboard, when it slides up,

00:54:59 ◼   ► should have like a slight chunk

00:55:01 ◼   ► that would fake the-- - Signify, yeah.

00:55:04 ◼   ► - Like when you had a slider phone,

00:55:06 ◼   ► and you'd, like the old Palm Pre,

00:55:09 ◼   ► obviously when you slid the keyboard down,

00:55:11 ◼   ► it felt like something was sliding down, because it was.

00:55:14 ◼   ► - Well, and you have that feeling

00:55:17 ◼   ► for control center anyway,

00:55:18 ◼   ► so it's a haptic that's already implemented.

00:55:21 ◼   ► - Right, it should be exactly the same

00:55:22 ◼   ► the control center on?

00:55:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, have you used, and this is my favorite haptic

00:55:27 ◼   ► maybe in the system, if you go over on the digital keyboard

00:55:32 ◼   ► and you hold down, not firm press mind you,

00:55:36 ◼   ► just long press on say the dash button,

00:55:39 ◼   ► it brings up a little haptic to change it

00:55:42 ◼   ► from a dash to an end dash to an end dash to a bullet.

00:55:46 ◼   ► And then when you're sliding between those,

00:55:48 ◼   ► you have haptic for all of those little options.

00:55:52 ◼   ► And that is my favorite.

00:55:54 ◼   ► Like as soon as I discovered that,

00:55:56 ◼   ► that made me look towards the future

00:55:58 ◼   ► where I was saying like,

00:55:59 ◼   ► where things are not so haphazardly implemented.

00:56:01 ◼   ► And when perhaps we might have the battery life

00:56:04 ◼   ► to be able to put the entire keyboard haptic,

00:56:07 ◼   ► which I actually, I really wanna see a full haptic keyboard,

00:56:11 ◼   ► even just as a proof of concept

00:56:12 ◼   ► with the current haptic engine.

00:56:14 ◼   ► 'Cause I think it would actually be better.

00:56:16 ◼   ► Not like obviously it's not gonna feel

00:56:17 ◼   ► like a real keyboard, but I think it would be a lot better

00:56:20 ◼   ► than people currently think it might be.

00:56:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, I have that on the Moto X.

00:56:27 ◼   ► This is my most, I guess I'm waiting

00:56:30 ◼   ► for to see what Google announces next week,

00:56:32 ◼   ► but it's the most recent Android device I bought.

00:56:35 ◼   ► It's from December 2014, and it's the one

00:56:38 ◼   ► that you could pick what the material on the back is.

00:56:42 ◼   ► Remember that phone?

00:56:43 ◼   ► - Yeah. - That's a real gimmick.

00:56:44 ◼   ► But anyway, this phone has haptic feedback

00:56:47 ◼   ► on the keyboard, but it has no directional sense at all.

00:56:51 ◼   ► You know, like so whether you're in the Q at the top left

00:56:55 ◼   ► or the M at the bottom right, it's the same tap.

00:57:00 ◼   ► Whereas it seems like Apple's got something

00:57:02 ◼   ► in the new phones that has a little bit of a,

00:57:05 ◼   ► you know, X and Y axis.

00:57:07 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, there's definitely a rotational motor.

00:57:09 ◼   ► And you can kind of feel that even just doing 3D touch

00:57:12 ◼   ► on the home screen, where if you tap on something

00:57:15 ◼   ► in sort of the bottom right corner,

00:57:16 ◼   ► that's gonna pull up a widget going upwards,

00:57:20 ◼   ► you can actually feel it going up,

00:57:22 ◼   ► as opposed to pressing at the top of the screen

00:57:24 ◼   ► and having a widget going down.

00:57:26 ◼   ► And I don't know how much of that is brain trickery

00:57:28 ◼   ► and how much of that is actually the motor jiggling

00:57:30 ◼   ► in a certain direction, but it's nifty.

00:57:33 ◼   ► - I can't, I have to imagine that they looked into it

00:57:35 ◼   ► and just, either they weren't satisfied

00:57:38 ◼   ► and therefore didn't release it,

00:57:39 ◼   ► or there's some, they had to have tried it.

00:57:42 ◼   ► Because for all the things that,

00:57:44 ◼   ► if we're gonna start putting haptic feedback

00:57:46 ◼   ► in the OS, the keyboard had to have been on the top of the list of things to try.

00:57:52 ◼   ► Well, that's, I think that's got to be their eventual goal. Like when they talked about

00:57:56 ◼   ► putting the Taptic Engine way back in the first generation of the Apple Watch, that

00:58:00 ◼   ► was my first thought is I'm like, this is, this is our slow path to getting a fully haptic

00:58:05 ◼   ► keyboard and having that work properly. But I have to imagine that haptic is not quite

00:58:11 ◼   ► where they want it, where they actually want to, you know, put it on the keyboard, because

00:58:15 ◼   ► I imagine their eventual goal is to combine haptics with the pressure sensitivity of the screen.

00:58:22 ◼   ► And really, like, in a way that what 3D Touch is currently doing, but if you can actually feel

00:58:27 ◼   ► depth, which you can sort of with 3D Touch, but not really, and it requires a much bigger

00:58:35 ◼   ► touch target area. But if you could feel depth on those tiny little keys, like that is potentially

00:58:40 ◼   ► a game changer for mobile keyboards. And it's, you know, it's, it would have to be done exactly

00:58:46 ◼   ► right or feel like gimmick. And right now the the Taptic Endon does feel a little a little static,

00:58:51 ◼   ► but the potential is there, the potential is there. And, you know, as I said, I, I can tell

00:58:57 ◼   ► it's not ready yet. But I still want a third party keyboard that just doesn't all have to keyboard

00:59:01 ◼   ► just for fun. Because I think it would be a blast. I can't help but think it's coming. I do think

00:59:09 ◼   ► I've said this many times over the years that it often matters what's tacked on five, ten

00:59:18 ◼   ► years, fifteen years after something was created as opposed to what was there from the outset.

00:59:26 ◼   ► The Force Touch and the haptic feedback to me has that sort of, it would be different

00:59:31 ◼   ► and more pervasive if it had been there right from the original iPhone.

00:59:35 ◼   ► It's like in the original iPhone, every single control,

00:59:40 ◼   ► every single standard user interface control

00:59:43 ◼   ► was reimagined from what that looks like on the Mac

00:59:47 ◼   ► to accommodate the difference between a touchscreen

00:59:50 ◼   ► with a big fat finger as opposed to a mouse and keyboard

00:59:54 ◼   ► and a mouse and pointer system

00:59:56 ◼   ► where you have this pixel level precision.

00:59:58 ◼   ► So things like the date picker, right,

01:00:02 ◼   ► where you get the spinning control on iOS

01:00:05 ◼   ► as opposed to a dropdown menu that you get on.

01:00:08 ◼   ► I think that if they had 3D touch from the beginning,

01:00:13 ◼   ► every control would have some sort of haptic feedback.

01:00:17 ◼   ► Whereas like you said now,

01:00:19 ◼   ► it seems like half the teams went through

01:00:21 ◼   ► and added some haptic feedback

01:00:23 ◼   ► and some of the other teams just were like, ah.

01:00:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, they're like, okay.

01:00:30 ◼   ► There's pretty much no haptic feedback in music,

01:00:32 ◼   ► for example.

01:00:33 ◼   ► Music is another one of those that has a card

01:00:35 ◼   ► that kind of flies up that could use it.

01:00:37 ◼   ► But yeah, there's not a, I really think it's an early,

01:00:41 ◼   ► we're seeing it in kind of its early days.

01:00:43 ◼   ► And did you get a chance, there was an app

01:00:47 ◼   ► on one of the demo phones at the event a few weeks back

01:00:50 ◼   ► that was a music app where you could play keys.

01:00:53 ◼   ► - Yes, yes. - Yeah, and it would,

01:00:54 ◼   ► I have no idea what that app is,

01:00:56 ◼   ► but I really wanna find it.

01:00:58 ◼   ► - I might be able to get that for you.

01:01:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, I could probably email somebody

01:01:02 ◼   ► get that information. But I just remember playing around with that and having a light bulb go off in

01:01:10 ◼   ► my head and being like, this is what Apple's waiting for. They're, yes, playing with it

01:01:16 ◼   ► themselves, but what they're really waiting to see is how third-party apps take advantage of Haptic.

01:01:22 ◼   ► And also, I imagine where they can steal. Not necessarily steal as in a bad way, but steal

01:01:28 ◼   ► as in the pull to refresh kind of thing,

01:01:30 ◼   ► where watch how third parties are doing it

01:01:32 ◼   ► and see if they're coming up with better ideas

01:01:35 ◼   ► than the internal team is coming up with.

01:01:37 ◼   ► See if they wanna try something different

01:01:39 ◼   ► that we've never thought of before.

01:01:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, so I don't know what the name of it was,

01:01:43 ◼   ► but the demo app they had put up like a piano keyboard

01:01:46 ◼   ► that was the width of the iPhone.

01:01:47 ◼   ► And it not only gave you the feedback,

01:01:50 ◼   ► the feedback seemed to correlate

01:01:52 ◼   ► to the location of the key you were pressing.

01:01:54 ◼   ► - Yeah. - That's the main thing,

01:01:56 ◼   ► is it really did feel like it wasn't just that the phone was clicking, it was that the key on the

01:02:01 ◼   ► screen was clicking. Yeah, it's not just, it's not a rumble controller, it's a specificity controller,

01:02:07 ◼   ► and, and you could change, you could change how heavy your press was, and you could feel that

01:02:14 ◼   ► difference, which that was the really like, yeah, again, it's the, it's the pressure combined with

01:02:19 ◼   ► haptics, which really makes this not just like a Nintendo rumble controller, but something much

01:02:25 ◼   ► more powerful.

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01:04:49 ◼   ► (laughs)

01:04:50 ◼   ► - The same way.

01:04:50 ◼   ► (laughs)

01:04:52 ◼   ► You were talking about the music app.

01:04:55 ◼   ► I hear something that I still don't get

01:04:59 ◼   ► about going from one phone to another.

01:05:02 ◼   ► I don't understand how I'm supposed to get all my music

01:05:05 ◼   ► from one to another.

01:05:06 ◼   ► It just seems to me like every time I back up my Mac,

01:05:11 ◼   ► here's how I do the phones.

01:05:11 ◼   ► I do it to the Mac through iTunes

01:05:13 ◼   ► 'cause I think it's faster than iCloud.

01:05:15 ◼   ► So I take my old phone or the review unit phone I use for two weeks, back it up to my

01:05:21 ◼   ► Mac, and then I take the new phone and go through the initial setup and say "restore

01:05:26 ◼   ► from iTunes" and then I connect it to my Mac and I restore it.

01:05:30 ◼   ► And then it seems like none of my music is here.

01:05:32 ◼   ► It's all got the cloud.

01:05:33 ◼   ► And I don't know if it's because I'm using Apple Music, but I had all of my music.

01:05:38 ◼   ► What I would like is to have my entire personal music library on the phone for all time and

01:05:45 ◼   ► And then anytime I'm anywhere on an airplane or something like that, I've got all my music.

01:05:49 ◼   ► And I would like to use Apple Music to listen to anything else that I want to listen to

01:05:53 ◼   ► that I don't maybe don't own as a thing.

01:05:56 ◼   ► And it doesn't seem to me like I know how to do that.

01:05:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:06:00 ◼   ► Do you understand?

01:06:01 ◼   ► I do.

01:06:02 ◼   ► I completely understand.

01:06:03 ◼   ► Okay.

01:06:04 ◼   ► But only because I've spent like practically a year troubleshooting Apple Music.

01:06:07 ◼   ► Can you explain this to me?

01:06:09 ◼   ► If you can explain this to me, this will be worth the entire episode of the show.

01:06:13 ◼   ► Okay.

01:06:14 ◼   ► So, from what I understand, when you restore from a backup of your phone, your previous

01:06:18 ◼   ► phone had all of your music locally, or had it, or ideally that's what you want.

01:06:23 ◼   ► Right.

01:06:24 ◼   ► Okay.

01:06:25 ◼   ► So, you had downloaded all of your local music previously to your previous phone, and for

01:06:27 ◼   ► some reason it did not restore with that music.

01:06:29 ◼   ► Correct.

01:06:30 ◼   ► Is that right?

01:06:31 ◼   ► Yes.

01:06:32 ◼   ► Okay.

01:06:33 ◼   ► So, I'm just, as a guess, because you have iCloud Music Library installed, I'm thinking

01:06:39 ◼   ► that Apple says, well, you know, john obviously wants, you

01:06:43 ◼   ► know, wants his apps restored. And so we're going to make a

01:06:47 ◼   ► actually not a deep with with an iTunes backup. Now, do you do

01:06:50 ◼   ► you still get all of your apps from the iTunes backup? Or does

01:06:53 ◼   ► it make it download them from from the cloud, I still have to

01:06:55 ◼   ► download them from the cloud. And there, that's the trick

01:06:58 ◼   ► then. So that's, that's their argument there is that to make

01:07:02 ◼   ► your iTunes backup faster, and not, you know, not stress about

01:07:06 ◼   ► it so much, we're going to save your information and make sure that all of the data for your

01:07:11 ◼   ► apps is all fine.

01:07:12 ◼   ► And when you restore your apps, that data gets plugged back in.

01:07:16 ◼   ► But we are not going to take the time to download multiple gigabytes of apps to iTunes and make

01:07:22 ◼   ► your restore longer.

01:07:24 ◼   ► And probably the same exact thing applies to your music where it's like, you may have

01:07:28 ◼   ► downloaded 40 gigs of music onto your old iPhone 7 review unit, but we're not going

01:07:34 ◼   ► to wait while 40 gigs of music is backed up to this phone or

01:07:39 ◼   ► backed up to your iMac and then rebat and then like transferred

01:07:42 ◼   ► back to your to your new iPhone seven that's, that's going to

01:07:45 ◼   ► be that's going to be too long for you, you're going to get

01:07:47 ◼   ► frustrated, it's going to take half the day. So instead, we're

01:07:50 ◼   ► just going to say, okay, if you want to redownload that music,

01:07:53 ◼   ► you can from iCloud music library. What I don't get is

01:07:57 ◼   ► when you restore a when you restore a an iPhone, your, your

01:08:02 ◼   ► apps all download automatically, I'm surprised that it wouldn't download your, redownload

01:08:08 ◼   ► your music from the cloud, because it knows, again, it has that metadata, it knows what

01:08:11 ◼   ► you had prior.

01:08:13 ◼   ► So in theory, that should happen as well, if we're following that same model from the

01:08:17 ◼   ► apps.

01:08:18 ◼   ► But it doesn't sound like it's currently doing that.

01:08:21 ◼   ► And that's a point of contention.

01:08:25 ◼   ► What I will say that Apple has done that's much better this time around with iCloud Music

01:08:32 ◼   ► library than prior. Well, A, they've made it so that if you're subscribed to Apple Music,

01:08:39 ◼   ► your music gets uploaded to iCloud Music Library as your music. So there's no more DRM, which

01:08:44 ◼   ► is very helpful, unless you're downloading an Apple Music song. And that also allows them

01:08:50 ◼   ► to essentially split your library. So now there's a setting, I'm just going into settings

01:08:56 ◼   ► really quickly so I can remember what it's actually called so I don't misquote it here.

01:09:00 ◼   ► inside Apple Music, there's now a setting called add playlist songs. And essentially, when you add

01:09:09 ◼   ► music from the Apple Music Library, if you don't have add playlist songs enabled, those songs will

01:09:17 ◼   ► just go into an Apple Music playlist. So they won't, they won't contaminate your library. They'll

01:09:24 ◼   ► just kind of hang out sort of in an in an Apple Music repository rather than messing around with

01:09:31 ◼   ► your local library. At least that's how it worked in the beta. Hopefully it hasn't changed.

01:09:35 ◼   ► I like that. Yeah, exactly. That was that's a really nice, like subtle thing. And I believe

01:09:40 ◼   ► it's turned off by default. It's on online and I don't remember turning on so I don't know.

01:09:44 ◼   ► Alright, then maybe Yeah, it might. It may have changed in the beta. But that is that is one

01:09:51 ◼   ► option for kind of separating your two. And then also, of course, there's the downloaded music

01:09:57 ◼   ► option. I think I feel like there was an easier way to download a bunch of albums.

01:10:05 ◼   ► I know.

01:10:05 ◼   ► I didn't find it. And

01:10:07 ◼   ► well, oh, you know, I mean, it also is probably I'm like, I'm tapping on the my various albums. And

01:10:13 ◼   ► I'm like, maybe I have all of my albums stored locally on this phone. Maybe that happened

01:10:18 ◼   ► because I'm tapping on all of them and it says delete from library. Of course that may be delete.

01:10:24 ◼   ► Yeah, oh yeah, download. There we go. So you can download by album and you can download by,

01:10:30 ◼   ► no, you can't download by artist. I would just like to say download everything. Download all,

01:10:36 ◼   ► yeah. I wonder if you can do that in the music settings. And now we're just troubleshooting on

01:10:40 ◼   ► the air. This is great. Well, we'll look at it later. Anyway, I wish, I think that Apple Music

01:10:46 ◼   ► is much better designed this year than last.

01:10:49 ◼   ► I think it's a very promising sign that they got it,

01:10:53 ◼   ► that what was so confusing last year.

01:10:56 ◼   ► I still feel like it has a long way to go.

01:10:58 ◼   ► - It really does.

01:10:59 ◼   ► There is automatic, yeah.

01:11:01 ◼   ► Optimized storage is now a toggle, which is really nice.

01:11:05 ◼   ► So you can just keep your downloaded music

01:11:07 ◼   ► as your downloaded music.

01:11:08 ◼   ► - Right, and that's the feature where

01:11:09 ◼   ► if your device is running low on space,

01:11:11 ◼   ► it'll start removing--

01:11:15 ◼   ► - Culling.

01:11:16 ◼   ► calling music that you haven't played recently, which

01:11:19 ◼   ► is a pretty good feature.

01:11:20 ◼   ► And only stuff that you can re-download if you need to.

01:11:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:11:25 ◼   ► I really wish there was an easier way to download all music.

01:11:27 ◼   ► It's a little frustrating.

01:11:29 ◼   ► I still feel like at a fundamental level,

01:11:32 ◼   ► they're trying to do away with the distinction between my

01:11:35 ◼   ► music, my personal--

01:11:37 ◼   ► the music collection I started building when Napster first

01:11:39 ◼   ► collected, I first started downloading MP3s

01:11:43 ◼   ► or turning my old CD collection into MP3s, and Apple Music,

01:11:48 ◼   ► this thing that I pay for that has everything.

01:11:50 ◼   ► I still-- I just want--

01:11:52 ◼   ► I just want all of my music, which now easily fits--

01:11:55 ◼   ► I forget how big my total music library is,

01:11:57 ◼   ► but it used to be in the old days

01:11:59 ◼   ► where, like when the 8 gigabyte was the big iPhone,

01:12:02 ◼   ► couldn't have it all.

01:12:03 ◼   ► And now it's a joke.

01:12:05 ◼   ► It's-- I don't know.

01:12:06 ◼   ► If I've got like 10 gigs of music or something like that,

01:12:08 ◼   ► well, a 256 gigabyte iPhone can have it all easily.

01:12:12 ◼   ► - And then some. - Right.

01:12:14 ◼   ► - And then-- - And record some 4K video too.

01:12:16 ◼   ► - Right, and so then no matter where I am,

01:12:17 ◼   ► if I have no network access whatsoever,

01:12:19 ◼   ► I'm in an elevator on an airplane. (laughs)

01:12:24 ◼   ► I know that I at least have all the music

01:12:27 ◼   ► that it's my music and I can play it all right now.

01:12:30 ◼   ► So anyway, that's-- - That's the way it should be.

01:12:33 ◼   ► Maybe in the, when they finally redesign iTunes, ha ha ha.

01:12:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, maybe, I don't know.

01:12:41 ◼   ► All right, so what did you end up buying a phone for yourself yet?

01:12:45 ◼   ► I did.

01:12:46 ◼   ► What did you get?

01:12:47 ◼   ► I ended up buying a jet black iPhone 7 Plus.

01:12:50 ◼   ► And you have it already?

01:12:51 ◼   ► I have, well, I have it because I ordered it.

01:12:54 ◼   ► I didn't know that Renee and I were going to be getting review units until a couple

01:13:00 ◼   ► days before the launch.

01:13:02 ◼   ► So I ordered mine at 3am, 3.01am on the Apple Store app from bed because I wasn't sure when

01:13:09 ◼   ► otherwise when I would be getting a phone.

01:13:12 ◼   ► So I just, I went ahead and I was just like,

01:13:15 ◼   ► I really, I really, I hate, I hate the plus.

01:13:18 ◼   ► Sorry, hashtag Mike was wrong.

01:13:21 ◼   ► But I wanted the camera features

01:13:25 ◼   ► and I knew that if I was going to be writing

01:13:27 ◼   ► about the camera features, I kinda needed the bigger phone.

01:13:31 ◼   ► But I was like, you know, I also have 14 days,

01:13:33 ◼   ► so if I really despise the giant phone carrying,

01:13:38 ◼   ► then I can return it and go back to an iPhone 7

01:13:41 ◼   ► or wait like a million weeks

01:13:43 ◼   ► to get an iPhone 7 properly.

01:13:44 ◼   ► So I have that and then I have an iPhone 7

01:13:48 ◼   ► and an iPhone 7 Plus that are my review units.

01:13:50 ◼   ► So I actually have jet black iPhones in both models.

01:13:53 ◼   ► No one come rob me.

01:13:54 ◼   ► - You must have gotten your order in like at 301.

01:13:59 ◼   ► That's Eastern time.

01:14:00 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, yeah.

01:14:01 ◼   ► I was probably one of the first people,

01:14:03 ◼   ► at least in my Twitter feed,

01:14:04 ◼   ► who actually got the app open

01:14:07 ◼   ► and showing on the ordering screen.

01:14:08 ◼   ► And I still was pushed out a week.

01:14:11 ◼   ► Like I didn't get my seven plus until,

01:14:14 ◼   ► I don't know, the middle of last week.

01:14:16 ◼   ► - I think that was the first batch, I really do.

01:14:18 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Yeah.

01:14:19 ◼   ► - Well, they went quickly.

01:14:21 ◼   ► I think like two people I know got them on release day.

01:14:24 ◼   ► - And well, was it the plus size?

01:14:26 ◼   ► 'Cause it seems like the plus--

01:14:27 ◼   ► - The plus jet black, yeah.

01:14:28 ◼   ► - Wow, that's amazing.

01:14:29 ◼   ► They must have really been like in the first--

01:14:31 ◼   ► - Right on the, yeah.

01:14:33 ◼   ► - I had a lot of trouble with the app.

01:14:35 ◼   ► And in years past, the app always seemed like

01:14:38 ◼   ► that was the way to go, use the iPhone app to order.

01:14:41 ◼   ► So I switched like 10 minutes in to,

01:14:45 ◼   ► after 10 minutes of things not going well,

01:14:49 ◼   ► switched to the website,

01:14:50 ◼   ► and the website actually worked perfectly.

01:14:52 ◼   ► I just was like, bloop, bloop, bloop, new iPhone,

01:14:54 ◼   ► bloop, bloop, bloop, another new iPhone.

01:14:56 ◼   ► - I had no problems with the app

01:14:59 ◼   ► once I got it to actually load.

01:15:01 ◼   ► My initial thing was just, I mean,

01:15:04 ◼   ► I was doing probably the horrible thing

01:15:06 ◼   ► that no Apple server tech wants to hear,

01:15:09 ◼   ► which is as soon as 3001 hit,

01:15:14 ◼   ► I kept on force quitting the app and then reloading,

01:15:17 ◼   ► force quitting, reloading, force quitting, reloading.

01:15:19 ◼   ► It's like the horrible version

01:15:22 ◼   ► of the command refresh on a Mac.

01:15:25 ◼   ► And I got through probably 302, 303,

01:15:28 ◼   ► and other people were trying to do that

01:15:29 ◼   ► and didn't get through until 315, I think.

01:15:31 ◼   ► - It wasn't clear if you just left the app open,

01:15:34 ◼   ► whether it would reload.

01:15:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, no, it's true.

01:15:37 ◼   ► - It wasn't clear.

01:15:38 ◼   ► My assumption was that it would,

01:15:40 ◼   ► but since I don't know force quitting,

01:15:43 ◼   ► I know it's gonna reload, so therefore I force quit.

01:15:45 ◼   ► - Exactly, exactly.

01:15:46 ◼   ► It's the same principle way back when with the live blogs.

01:15:50 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:15:51 ◼   ► - If they just would've printed on the,

01:15:55 ◼   ► the store was down before they enabled it,

01:15:57 ◼   ► if they would've just put on that page

01:16:00 ◼   ► saying that the store is down,

01:16:01 ◼   ► that there is no need to refresh,

01:16:03 ◼   ► then I would have trusted them and I would have left it open.

01:16:08 ◼   ► It also says, MacRumors--

01:16:10 ◼   ► I don't know if you saw this this morning--

01:16:12 ◼   ► has a report from Ming-Chi Kuo, the supply chain guru,

01:16:20 ◼   ► that Jet Black models are suffering from a, quote,

01:16:23 ◼   ► "low casing production yield rate," meaning 30% to 40%

01:16:27 ◼   ► of the units that they are making

01:16:30 ◼   ► don't pass Apple's quality standards.

01:16:33 ◼   ► I don't think there's any difference

01:16:35 ◼   ► between the regular size and plus on that.

01:16:37 ◼   ► - No, no.

01:16:38 ◼   ► Or at least there isn't anything in his data

01:16:40 ◼   ► that was released to MacGromers.

01:16:42 ◼   ► But what I do think, I'm not surprised by it,

01:16:46 ◼   ► given how tetchy Jet Black is to begin with,

01:16:49 ◼   ► and the deals with scratches and everything else.

01:16:52 ◼   ► But specifically, I don't know if you noticed this,

01:16:55 ◼   ► you have at least one Jet Black review model, right?

01:16:58 ◼   ► - I have a Jet Black review model,

01:17:00 ◼   ► and the one I bought is Jet Black.

01:17:02 ◼   ► jet black. Yeah. The thing that we were noticing at iMore is that the unlike pretty much every

01:17:11 ◼   ► other model of iPhone 7, there's a little bit of a, like a protrudence for the SIM card. If you put

01:17:20 ◼   ► your finger on the side with the jet black iPhone, you've got a little bit of a bump there. Whereas

01:17:26 ◼   ► if you do that on anything like on another iPhone 7, like on a matte iPhone 7, you don't really feel

01:17:32 ◼   ► that so much. And I have to think that there are little bits, little things like that with the

01:17:37 ◼   ► anodization, especially because of the way they do this and the double anodization process with,

01:17:44 ◼   ► you know, I'm going to get it wrong if I try and describe it in detail, so I'm just going to avoid

01:17:49 ◼   ► it. But I mean, there's a lot of technology that goes into making this phone look the way it does,

01:17:55 ◼   ► which is honestly kind of magical in terms of like how ridiculous it ends up looking.

01:18:01 ◼   ► If I go into full Princess and the P mode, I would claim, and I think I could do this blindfolded,

01:18:09 ◼   ► that my review unit, iPhone 7 in Jet Black, the SIM card prudence is almost indistinguishable.

01:18:17 ◼   ► And on this one that I now own, it is noticeable. Not like I am complaining about it.

01:18:25 ◼   ► Not, it's not, yeah.

01:18:26 ◼   ► But it is slightly different.

01:18:28 ◼   ► Yeah. And I imagine all of them are slightly different. Like on my review iPhone 7, it is much more noticeable than on my 7 Plus. There's a definite cutout.

01:18:42 ◼   ► So are you happy that you ordered Jet Black for yourself?

01:18:45 ◼   ► for yourself.

01:18:46 ◼   ► Sarah: Oh yeah, without a question. I was a little nervous about it initially because I really wasn't

01:18:53 ◼   ► sure how badly it would scratch up and whether or not the material finish would be enough that I

01:19:01 ◼   ► would feel comfortable keeping it caseless, especially with the 7+ being as massive as it is.

01:19:07 ◼   ► But I have, you know, I've been rocking the review unit in a case because I generally try and not to

01:19:12 ◼   ► destroy Apple's materials.

01:19:13 ◼   ► um and then the way i treat my review units better than the ones i own and i know some of the other

01:19:18 ◼   ► reviewers don't they're like yeah what the hell is a review unit yeah the only thing i've done

01:19:23 ◼   ► to the the poor reviewing unit is made it film underwater a bunch of times and it seems to be

01:19:27 ◼   ► okay good good good phone uh but yeah my my seven plus i got in jet black no regrets i love i love

01:19:33 ◼   ► the tactile finish i've got probably i don't know i'm like the thing is i've got it i know i've got

01:19:40 ◼   ► a ton of scratches on this thing, but unless I'm looking at it in direct light, I really

01:19:44 ◼   ► can't see them.

01:19:45 ◼   ► That's kind of the beauty and the curse of the jet black finish, is that in sunlight

01:19:50 ◼   ► or in direct light, you can see every single scratch and bemoan it and cry and have it

01:19:56 ◼   ► hurt your heart.

01:19:57 ◼   ► But in every other lighting, and just by holding it in your hand, you can't feel the scratches

01:20:03 ◼   ► on the casing.

01:20:05 ◼   ► You can't really notice them and even in direct sunlight, it just, it looks, again, it ages,

01:20:13 ◼   ► it's starting to age well, as opposed to just looking like, I could have seen a version

01:20:18 ◼   ► of this, maybe not an Apple phone that had a sort of this kind of aluminum anodization,

01:20:24 ◼   ► where the second you get a scratch, you can start to see like the aluminum under the black

01:20:29 ◼   ► casing and it starts feeling really weird and just not not ending up being a good experience

01:20:35 ◼   ► but I'm I'm pretty impressed in how they've ended up doing that was the problem that people

01:20:39 ◼   ► had with space black on the the iPhone five oh it was just scratching that way they called

01:20:47 ◼   ► it did they call it space black I think so it was either you might have just been black

01:20:52 ◼   ► it might have been before the era of space blank whatever it was I liked it but it when

01:20:56 ◼   ► - When it did scratch or flake,

01:20:58 ◼   ► especially around that beveled edge,

01:21:01 ◼   ► it did show the more naturally aluminum color underneath.

01:21:06 ◼   ► And I do feel like they've gone back to these dark colors

01:21:11 ◼   ► because they've got it down now

01:21:13 ◼   ► where the anodization layer is deep enough

01:21:17 ◼   ► that even if you get a scratch,

01:21:18 ◼   ► the scratch is still the same color as the...

01:21:20 ◼   ► - The regular, yeah. - The virgin device.

01:21:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, I remember an Apple spokesperson talking to me

01:21:29 ◼   ► about having the anodization,

01:21:31 ◼   ► doing a double coat of anodization

01:21:33 ◼   ► and having one of them seep into the pores of the aluminum,

01:21:36 ◼   ► which may or may not be an actual description

01:21:38 ◼   ► of how the process actually works,

01:21:40 ◼   ► but I can definitely believe that idea.

01:21:43 ◼   ► And we did, I will say, RIP Rene's review unit,

01:21:47 ◼   ► because he did drop it a couple of times

01:21:50 ◼   ► into water at semi-high velocities,

01:21:53 ◼   ► and there's a little bit of a chipped corner

01:21:56 ◼   ► on one of the phones.

01:21:57 ◼   ► And that one, the very visible chip

01:22:01 ◼   ► does have a lighter aluminum look to it

01:22:03 ◼   ► than the just normal run-of-the-mill scratches.

01:22:07 ◼   ► But I think that's to be expected.

01:22:08 ◼   ► If you physically smash a corner of your phone

01:22:12 ◼   ► into pavement, you're probably not gonna retain

01:22:15 ◼   ► that beautiful finish.

01:22:16 ◼   ► But the screen didn't break, so.

01:22:18 ◼   ► - It is a finish.

01:22:19 ◼   ► I mean, it's not magic.

01:22:20 ◼   ► It's not like they-- - No.

01:22:21 ◼   ► - Well, I don't know, maybe there's something.

01:22:23 ◼   ► Maybe they could make black aluminum, but it is a finish,

01:22:26 ◼   ► not just like the metal itself is that color.

01:22:29 ◼   ► I am 100% convinced I've made the right call

01:22:32 ◼   ► for me personally.

01:22:33 ◼   ► It took me a long time though.

01:22:34 ◼   ► Even when I recorded a week ago with Jim,

01:22:36 ◼   ► I was still on the fence as to whether it was the right move.

01:22:40 ◼   ► But now I'm convinced.

01:22:41 ◼   ► And I really don't even care what it looks like

01:22:43 ◼   ► after a year, even if it's all scratched up.

01:22:45 ◼   ► The feel alone is enough for me because I've always been,

01:22:51 ◼   ► I mean, it's starting with the five even,

01:22:54 ◼   ► five, five S, six, six S.

01:22:57 ◼   ► So for four generations, I've always been a little unhappy

01:23:01 ◼   ► with the slipperiness of the aluminum back.

01:23:03 ◼   ► And it was particularly bad with the iPhone six.

01:23:07 ◼   ► And anecdotally broken, backed up by the fact

01:23:09 ◼   ► that the iPhone six was the one and only iPhone

01:23:12 ◼   ► I've ever cracked a screen on.

01:23:14 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:23:15 ◼   ► - And I remember last year with the six S asking,

01:23:19 ◼   ► When I got the review unit and had the briefing, I said, "This feels more tactile to me.

01:23:28 ◼   ► Did you guys change something, or is it just that my personal old iPhone is worn?"

01:23:34 ◼   ► And they denied it.

01:23:35 ◼   ► They said, "Oh, that's interesting."

01:23:37 ◼   ► It's like the weird way that when Apple doesn't want to talk about something, they won't say

01:23:42 ◼   ► you're crazy.

01:23:43 ◼   ► They'll say, "It's interesting you would say so."

01:23:44 ◼   ► No, I don't think we've done anything.

01:23:47 ◼   ► But I think they did.

01:23:48 ◼   ► disclose right and I just think that they didn't want to say that the old one

01:23:52 ◼   ► was slippery so they didn't want to say the new one is less slippery but it

01:23:56 ◼   ► clearly was to me and it seems like everybody I know who's had both backs it

01:23:59 ◼   ► up but the difference with Jeff black is just night and day it's it's oh yeah

01:24:03 ◼   ► it's just not slippery at all and that to me is like it it just feels so much

01:24:09 ◼   ► better coming in and out of my pocket I found so much more certain that I'm not

01:24:12 ◼   ► going to fat finger the the phone then it's worth it somebody posted a picture

01:24:18 ◼   ► on Twitter the other day showing their old, either very

01:24:22 ◼   ► original or first or second year iPod.

01:24:26 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

01:24:27 ◼   ► I forget who posted the picture, but the back of the iPod

01:24:30 ◼   ► was a very shiny, polished, mirrored aluminum.

01:24:34 ◼   ► And they all got scratched to hell.

01:24:37 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

01:24:38 ◼   ► The original case.

01:24:39 ◼   ► Right.

01:24:40 ◼   ► That nobody complained.

01:24:42 ◼   ► We've gotten to the point now where--

01:24:44 ◼   ► and if your personality type is the such

01:24:47 ◼   ► that the idea of these quote unquote micro abrasions

01:24:50 ◼   ► bothers you, it seems to me that's very clearly half

01:24:53 ◼   ► of the reason why they have the regular black in addition

01:24:56 ◼   ► to jet black.

01:24:57 ◼   ► I think the other half being the aforementioned production

01:24:59 ◼   ► problems with jet black.

01:25:02 ◼   ► But if you're bothered by the idea of an easily

01:25:05 ◼   ► micro abrasioned finish, don't get it.

01:25:10 ◼   ► Yeah, no one is forcing you to get the jet black iPhone.

01:25:14 ◼   ► But if you don't care so much about resale value

01:25:17 ◼   ► And I think that is a big concern for folks,

01:25:19 ◼   ► especially overseas, is, you know,

01:25:21 ◼   ► I'm gonna get this phone, but I'm gonna keep it

01:25:23 ◼   ► in pristine condition for a year,

01:25:25 ◼   ► and then able to resell it.

01:25:27 ◼   ► And once the Apple upgrade program, I think,

01:25:30 ◼   ► floats out to more countries and more areas,

01:25:35 ◼   ► that will become less of an issue, maybe, possibly.

01:25:39 ◼   ► Although, I mean, still, you're talking about reselling

01:25:41 ◼   ► into the gray market, which is a whole different question.

01:25:44 ◼   ► But that's the only reason why I could think

01:25:46 ◼   ► to avoid the jet black or to get the jet black

01:25:49 ◼   ► and then immediately put it into a case.

01:25:51 ◼   ► 'Cause you can.

01:25:52 ◼   ► My review unit, my iPhone 7 jet black,

01:25:55 ◼   ► has basically been in a Sena case

01:25:57 ◼   ► since the day I got it, or the day after I got it,

01:26:00 ◼   ► and it has maybe one or two scratches on the back,

01:26:05 ◼   ► and then the one night that I kept it out of its case

01:26:09 ◼   ► to do some photo tests, this is my own damn fault.

01:26:16 ◼   ► I had also gotten a brand new nylon band,

01:26:19 ◼   ► and I had taken it out of its, you know,

01:26:21 ◼   ► out of the packaging from the Apple store,

01:26:23 ◼   ► and I'd put the nylon band in my pocket,

01:26:26 ◼   ► and I put the iPhone 7 in my pocket,

01:26:28 ◼   ► and the nylon band's buckle rubbed up

01:26:31 ◼   ► against the front upper corner of the poor iPhone 7.

01:26:34 ◼   ► So it has this now very, very smoothed in set of scratches

01:26:39 ◼   ► from that nylon band buckle

01:26:42 ◼   ► just kind of etching its way in there.

01:26:45 ◼   ► And it doesn't, again, you cannot tell

01:26:47 ◼   ► that it's scratched at all unless you catch the light.

01:26:50 ◼   ► And then it's this like circle of doom here.

01:26:54 ◼   ► But otherwise, you know, eh, it looks fine.

01:26:56 ◼   ► - I do feel that the term microabrasion,

01:26:59 ◼   ► it's slightly euphemistic, but I feel like it's warranted.

01:27:01 ◼   ► 'Cause for me, the definition between a scratch

01:27:04 ◼   ► and a microabrasion is these microabrasions,

01:27:06 ◼   ► and this is all I've seen on both of the ones I have here,

01:27:09 ◼   ► are exactly like you said.

01:27:10 ◼   ► You have to catch the light at the right angle

01:27:12 ◼   ► and look for them, and then you can see them.

01:27:14 ◼   ► but you can't feel them with your skin

01:27:17 ◼   ► and you can't even feel them with like your fingernail.

01:27:19 ◼   ► And to me, a scratch is something that you can see

01:27:23 ◼   ► in regular light and/or something that you can feel

01:27:28 ◼   ► with your skin or your fingernail.

01:27:30 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

01:27:31 ◼   ► There's a, I got a scratch on my iPhone 6S Plus

01:27:36 ◼   ► on the screen that is very noticeable.

01:27:38 ◼   ► That's like a fingernail type scratch.

01:27:41 ◼   ► And I, you know, this, I've put the 7 Plus since I got it through some fairly hefty, like, it was out on the beach doing some photography for my upcoming Apple Watch review.

01:27:51 ◼   ► And I managed to walk away from this thing not only being near the beach, but also being dipped in the water and like swum around with sand particles and dust particles and everything else.

01:28:03 ◼   ► And it came out of it pretty much pristine.

01:28:06 ◼   ► So I really think that although the yield rate may be low on the jet black, it's probably for a good reason.

01:28:13 ◼   ► And I kind of feel for Apple's shipping department and their production lines, because I'm sure having the yield rate below is a pain in the ass for their profit margins and everything else.

01:28:25 ◼   ► But it's resulting in, hopefully, a much better overall product for people when they finally get them into their hands.

01:28:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:28:30 ◼   ► And I've said this before, I will probably say it again all year long.

01:28:34 ◼   ► I actually feel bad for regular black because I love it.

01:28:38 ◼   ► I love the regular black. - Oh, it's gorgeous.

01:28:39 ◼   ► I almost got it.

01:28:40 ◼   ► - I wish that they'd come out with it a year ago

01:28:42 ◼   ► so that I would have had a year

01:28:44 ◼   ► where I got to use the regular black

01:28:46 ◼   ► because I like it so much more than Space Gray's sort of,

01:28:49 ◼   ► am I dark, am I light, eh, sort of in the middle.

01:28:52 ◼   ► - Shrug.

01:28:54 ◼   ► - I really feel bad that this new finish

01:28:57 ◼   ► that I absolutely love that I didn't,

01:29:01 ◼   ► I'm not gonna actually own.

01:29:03 ◼   ► Here's my hope.

01:29:03 ◼   ► My hope is that they bring the exact same flat black aluminum

01:29:07 ◼   ► finish to the MacBook Pro.

01:29:09 ◼   ► Yes.

01:29:10 ◼   ► I would love that.

01:29:11 ◼   ► And I do-- I really like the flat black aluminum.

01:29:13 ◼   ► I thought that was the phone that I

01:29:15 ◼   ► was going to get until I touched the Jet Black.

01:29:17 ◼   ► And I think yield rate and cost aside,

01:29:21 ◼   ► even if it was the exact same yield rate and cost for Apple,

01:29:24 ◼   ► I think Jet Black would be wrong for the MacBook Pro.

01:29:28 ◼   ► I feel like you're--

01:29:31 ◼   ► You know, like, okay, so there's fingerprints that you can wipe off on this, but the fingerprints

01:29:35 ◼   ► are always pointed away from me, right?

01:29:37 ◼   ► You know, on the back of the phone.

01:29:40 ◼   ► Whereas like on the palm rest on your MacBook, I think it would be really ugly.

01:29:45 ◼   ► Well, also, you remember the—I think about Apple's history with black laptops, and

01:29:50 ◼   ► I think about the Wall Street, and I think about the black MacBook, and all of those—I

01:29:54 ◼   ► mean, have they ever really made a glossy computer aside from the iBooks outer shell?

01:29:59 ◼   ► No, I don't think so.

01:30:01 ◼   ► I just think it's I think it's glossy is just wrong for a Mac

01:30:04 ◼   ► book. Yeah, it just doesn't feel right. So that's my hope. My hope

01:30:07 ◼   ► is they bring that that that same black to the MacBook Pros

01:30:10 ◼   ► and then I'll get to own it.

01:30:11 ◼   ► Yeah, oh, for sure. That's I would I would buy a new black

01:30:16 ◼   ► Mac laptop in a heartbeat.

01:30:18 ◼   ► I would buy what I'm so superficial. I would buy one.

01:30:22 ◼   ► Even if it didn't have any if it was like, Whoa, what's going on?

01:30:25 ◼   ► Exactly the same. This is a two year old Intel CPU.

01:30:29 ◼   ► It's black.

01:30:30 ◼   ► It's mine.

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01:33:48 ◼   ► talk show. You've been doing a lot of stuff with the cameras, you and Renee,

01:33:53 ◼   ► with the iPhone. And I saw last night, I think it was last night, but it was

01:33:57 ◼   ► certainly over the weekend, where you were doing like product review

01:34:02 ◼   ► photography of Apple Watch. And had, what did you say? It was like you did a

01:34:07 ◼   ► glider? What was it that you were talking about? Oh yeah, yeah, so a slider.

01:34:12 ◼   ► So yeah, with a, and actually I didn't even know this was the

01:34:16 ◼   ► professional term for it until we were filming with Michael Fisher, who used to work for

01:34:22 ◼   ► pocket now someone and now works on his own YouTube channel. And he brought these big

01:34:28 ◼   ► giant slider rigs to put his camera on which are basically exactly what they sound like

01:34:32 ◼   ► where you put your camera on a on a big like horizontal thing. And then you move your camera

01:34:39 ◼   ► all along the slider reel while you're while you're filming. And it and it makes for those

01:34:44 ◼   ► like beautiful nice pans that you see in product videos or like this the slow zooms the you know

01:34:53 ◼   ► it basically it's like a it's like a tiny steady camera rig for the for the ground or for a table

01:34:58 ◼   ► and I don't have any of that equipment because I do some videography but I'm not you know I

01:35:08 ◼   ► generally am only doing videos for specific events. And I think it was last year when we

01:35:16 ◼   ► started experimenting with the idea of could we shoot a review video on a phone, I did the iPhone

01:35:23 ◼   ► 6s review entirely on my iPhone as a fun, like, just a throwback after Rene did his official

01:35:31 ◼   ► review and in order to shoot like those beautiful like pretty device shots I'm

01:35:38 ◼   ► like well I can't shoot this even with my I have like a couple of different

01:35:41 ◼   ► pseudo steady cam rigs for the phone and even with those rigs I can't shoot a

01:35:47 ◼   ► nice slow pan without it looking jittery and too much for Final Cut to fix and so

01:35:54 ◼   ► while I was filming this stuff I had kind of an epiphany last year and I'm

01:35:57 ◼   ► like, Wait a second, what if I shoot in slow mo. So I flipped

01:36:04 ◼   ► over to the slowmo slider and I made sure it was I think it's

01:36:06 ◼   ► like 120 frames per second 1080p and then just shot the same the

01:36:12 ◼   ► same pan, but shot it in slowmo with my rig. And when you play

01:36:16 ◼   ► it back in slow motion, it looks almost identical to using those

01:36:21 ◼   ► sliders.

01:36:22 ◼   ► I I've just done it. I've put a link to your tweet with it, which

01:36:25 ◼   ► has the video in the show notes, and people can go.

01:36:28 ◼   ► I was blown away, honestly.

01:36:31 ◼   ► Part of it is that I'm an idiot, and I still run a website.

01:36:35 ◼   ► It's 2001, and there are no videos.

01:36:40 ◼   ► But--

01:36:41 ◼   ► Probably for the best.

01:36:42 ◼   ► I feel like one of--

01:36:44 ◼   ► it made me realize that I wouldn't have a reason

01:36:47 ◼   ► to do it for that, like a product review

01:36:50 ◼   ► shot of Apple Watch.

01:36:51 ◼   ► But I realized, looking at that, that I'm vastly

01:36:54 ◼   ► underusing slow motion video in period, just for my personal use.

01:36:59 ◼   ► It's like it hasn't really gotten into my head

01:37:02 ◼   ► that I have an amazing slow motion camera,

01:37:06 ◼   ► and that it can make all sorts of things interesting.

01:37:10 ◼   ► I tend to only think of the most obvious thing,

01:37:12 ◼   ► like catching my kid at the beach jumping off a rock into the ocean.

01:37:18 ◼   ► Well, shoot that in slow-mo.

01:37:20 ◼   ► That'll look cool.

01:37:21 ◼   ► But that's the most obvious-- that's the first thing everybody thinks of.

01:37:24 ◼   ► That's your traditional slow-mo shot.

01:37:26 ◼   ► Right.

01:37:27 ◼   ► You can get, like, for just shooting a panorama

01:37:30 ◼   ► or something like that, I think it smooths out

01:37:32 ◼   ► the motion in an amazing way.

01:37:34 ◼   ► It's just unbelievable to me that this video in your tweet

01:37:37 ◼   ► was shot with a phone.

01:37:39 ◼   ► I know.

01:37:40 ◼   ► Without some kind of complicated tracking rig,

01:37:44 ◼   ► slider, whatever they call it.

01:37:46 ◼   ► It really is amazing.

01:37:48 ◼   ► And on top of that, that particular shot,

01:37:50 ◼   ► that was shot freehand.

01:37:51 ◼   ► That wasn't even shot with a stabilizer rig or anything.

01:37:55 ◼   ► That was just shot with my hands next to a--

01:37:58 ◼   ► - That doesn't make any sense to me.

01:37:59 ◼   ► I mean, it's amazing.

01:38:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's--

01:38:01 ◼   ► - It's a really, really great shot.

01:38:05 ◼   ► - Thank you.

01:38:05 ◼   ► I have really been having a ton of fun with these cameras,

01:38:09 ◼   ► not only with the 7 Plus and portrait mode

01:38:11 ◼   ► and all of that stuff, but even with video,

01:38:14 ◼   ► I think one of the things that people are discounting

01:38:18 ◼   ► is that the iPhone 7 with optical image stabilization

01:38:22 ◼   ► becomes pretty great for low light photography,

01:38:25 ◼   ► but becomes amazing for video all of a sudden.

01:38:28 ◼   ► Like the iPhone 7 is now a camera

01:38:30 ◼   ► that I feel as comfortable shooting with

01:38:33 ◼   ► as I did with my 6S Plus,

01:38:36 ◼   ► which prior to that, the 6S Plus was the only thing

01:38:38 ◼   ► I would use to film anything with,

01:38:39 ◼   ► because it looked too shaky

01:38:43 ◼   ► and it didn't have the same,

01:38:45 ◼   ► you know, the right temperature and color tone that I wanted because the OIS just, you know,

01:38:51 ◼   ► it wasn't there. All it had was digital image stabilization. And now that the 7 has that,

01:38:55 ◼   ► that's a huge step up for anybody who wants to shoot video. And then you combine that with the

01:39:01 ◼   ► f/1.8 aperture on the wide angle lens, and it means that you can shoot video in lower light