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00:00:00 ◼   ► We've got rumors to talk about I love rumors. I know this is you know what I was thinking about

00:00:04 ◼   ► I think this is sort of like I think this is the the the fall season here the you know, November December

00:00:11 ◼   ► this is like peak rumor season because

00:00:14 ◼   ► Nothing's coming out soon. Mm-hmm, but there are you know, Apple must be working on stuff for next year and beyond

00:00:20 ◼   ► And so now is the time when the rumors start coming out

00:00:24 ◼   ► The big one that I've seen the one that's got everybody in a tizzy

00:00:28 ◼   ► is you know which one it is right yes I do which one is it it's the the

00:00:34 ◼   ► headphone jack thing exactly right that the mini is a mini jack right yeah so

00:00:45 ◼   ► the standard 3.5 millimeter headphone jack that's been in every device that

00:00:50 ◼   ► I'm aware of for a long time is supposedly says one report who had it

00:01:00 ◼   ► originally here let's see it was a Japanese rumor site right at some chapter

00:01:04 ◼   ► of well not a rumor site but well I guess yeah so Mac rumors right it's Mac

00:01:14 ◼   ► Odakara, which MacRumors described as often reliable.

00:01:22 ◼   ► Often. Well, in the scheme of like publishing these things from the supply

00:01:28 ◼   ► chain in Asia, often reliable, if you say it with a straight face, is actually high

00:01:33 ◼   ► praise. High praise, right. But it was not sourced from DigiTimes, right?

00:01:41 ◼   ► No, it's their... So they didn't get it from DigiTimes? No, their report cited a

00:01:47 ◼   ► "reliable source." Okay. And I guess... So it says... Here's Mac

00:01:54 ◼   ► Rumor's translation of it, or interpretation, I guess I should say. The

00:01:59 ◼   ► report citing a "reliable source"

00:02:02 ◼   ► claims the new same-sized Lightning connector will support Lightning-equipped

00:02:06 ◼   ► and Bluetooth headphones and have a DAC, or a digital to audio converter, for backwards

00:02:14 ◼   ► compatibility with wired headphones using a standard 3.5mm stereo jack. A 3.5mm to lightning

00:02:26 ◼   ► adapter would be required. So I guess the gist of it, the way I interpret this, and

00:02:33 ◼   ► And I don't think it's entirely clear.

00:02:34 ◼   ► The way I just interpret it is that they're not replacing the headphone jack with a new

00:02:40 ◼   ► proprietary jack.

00:02:41 ◼   ► They are simply getting rid of the headphone jack and you'll just have to plug in to the

00:02:45 ◼   ► lightning adapter that's already there.

00:02:49 ◼   ► Or use Bluetooth.

00:02:52 ◼   ► Or use Bluetooth.

00:02:53 ◼   ► I don't see why this report says that the new lightning connector has anything to do

00:02:58 ◼   ► with Bluetooth, though.

00:03:01 ◼   ► Doesn't seem like that makes sense.

00:03:02 ◼   ► No, yeah.

00:03:03 ◼   ► I think that's a mistake. That's what I mean about it being a little confusing.

00:03:06 ◼   ► I think what they mean is that you will, you know, your options will be to either plug in headphones with a lightning connector,

00:03:13 ◼   ► A. B. use a new dongle that doesn't exist yet that'll be a, you'll stick it in the lightning port and then you'll stick regular headphones into this dongle.

00:03:24 ◼   ► Or C. you'll switch to Bluetooth headphones.

00:03:28 ◼   ► or D, you'll throw your phone in the river and go back to Blackberry.

00:03:37 ◼   ► I guess the other option would be to...

00:03:41 ◼   ► This would be a great time for Blackberry to come out and proclaim their support for the 3.5mm jack.

00:03:48 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:03:50 ◼   ► Another option, and I love it, I really do,

00:03:53 ◼   ► I deeply enjoy it when other people's small children

00:03:56 ◼   ► do this on, let's say, a train or something,

00:03:58 ◼   ► is you could just use the speakers on the device.

00:04:01 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:04:03 ◼   ► - That's perfect.

00:04:04 ◼   ► - Pumped up to a loud enough volume to, you know,

00:04:08 ◼   ► overtake the sound of the train or the--

00:04:10 ◼   ► - The train.

00:04:11 ◼   ► - Or the jet airliner that you're riding on.

00:04:13 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:04:15 ◼   ► Who needs headphones?

00:04:17 ◼   ► I know. So, but the whole, I mean, the whole thing, so this, this is portrayed as, which,

00:04:23 ◼   ► you know, well, first of all, the, the, this is not the first time we've heard this.

00:04:27 ◼   ► No.

00:04:28 ◼   ► This rumor.

00:04:29 ◼   ► Well, and I think this, this flow has floated also right before the, the iPhone 6, if I

00:04:35 ◼   ► remember correctly.

00:04:36 ◼   ► I think it started, it started though when Lightning debuted, because Lightning has always

00:04:42 ◼   ► supported audio. And you can buy, they exist today. In fact, there's a pair of Philips

00:04:49 ◼   ► ones here in the screenshot that MacRumors has. You can buy Lightning connector headphones

00:04:55 ◼   ► today. The existing Lightning port can support audio, so you can do that right now today.

00:05:00 ◼   ► That's not a new thing.

00:05:03 ◼   ► So in terms of what they're saying about this so-called iPhone 7 having a new next generation

00:05:09 ◼   ► and lightning jack, the female side,

00:05:13 ◼   ► would be that it includes a digital audio converter.

00:05:20 ◼   ► I don't know though why the dongle

00:05:22 ◼   ► wouldn't do the digital audio conversion.

00:05:25 ◼   ► But anyway, that's what they're saying.

00:05:26 ◼   ► So I think right now, and I could be wrong,

00:05:29 ◼   ► I could be definitely wrong about this.

00:05:31 ◼   ► This could be something that maybe the dongle would work

00:05:33 ◼   ► on our existing iPhones.

00:05:34 ◼   ► But I think what they're saying is that

00:05:37 ◼   ► to use standard headphones through the dongle

00:05:40 ◼   ► and the lightning would require this iPhone 7 lightning port

00:05:44 ◼   ► because it would include the digital audio converter inside.

00:05:47 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:05:48 ◼   ► - But otherwise I don't think any of this is new.

00:05:51 ◼   ► You know, the fact that lightning can handle audio

00:05:53 ◼   ► is definitely not new.

00:05:54 ◼   ► You can buy these headphones today

00:05:56 ◼   ► and use them on your phone today.

00:05:57 ◼   ► And the rumors started as soon as that became clear.

00:06:00 ◼   ► 'Cause why else would they do it

00:06:03 ◼   ► unless they plan to get rid of the 3.5 at some point?

00:06:07 ◼   ► Yeah. There was also a smaller jack than the 3.5 millimeter jack that used to be used in

00:06:16 ◼   ► Japan for years, because I remember I bought, when I was in Japan, I accidentally bought

00:06:22 ◼   ► a pair of headphones and took them home and went to put them on my walkman or whatever

00:06:28 ◼   ► it was. And I was like, "This is not right." But I think the reason it was exactly like

00:06:37 ◼   ► that though was that was for smaller so the smaller devices there's so many

00:06:44 ◼   ► jokes that I can't think of no I can't I can't think it's good I can't glad I

00:06:51 ◼   ► can't think of any jokes stem from this no there's nothing there's nothing to be

00:06:57 ◼   ► said well anyway people are some people are very very upset about this they are

00:07:04 ◼   ► and however much controversy there was

00:07:09 ◼   ► when Apple switched from the 30-pin dock connector

00:07:12 ◼   ► to the Lightning adapter,

00:07:16 ◼   ► and people accused Apple of doing this

00:07:19 ◼   ► just to get people to buy more cables.

00:07:22 ◼   ► It was a money grab.

00:07:24 ◼   ► This is the accusation, that it was a money grab.

00:07:26 ◼   ► And I think you and I have talked about this multiple times,

00:07:28 ◼   ► that it was a money grab,

00:07:30 ◼   ► and they wanted to sell new cables,

00:07:33 ◼   ► They wanted you to buy new docks.

00:07:34 ◼   ► They wanted you to buy their little, I think it was $19,

00:07:38 ◼   ► just the little adapter that lets you switch

00:07:41 ◼   ► a 30-pin thing into a lightning thing.

00:07:44 ◼   ► I think it was 19.

00:07:45 ◼   ► - Was it that much or was that the headphone price?

00:07:47 ◼   ► - No, yeah, that's probably right.

00:07:49 ◼   ► That's probably right.

00:07:50 ◼   ► - Although maybe it was 29.

00:07:51 ◼   ► - The headphones are something like 30.

00:07:53 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:07:54 ◼   ► And I laugh about this.

00:07:59 ◼   ► I laugh that people are upset.

00:08:01 ◼   ► But I understand the frustration.

00:08:03 ◼   ► I just laugh at how hard people take this.

00:08:07 ◼   ► - Well, yeah, so the thing that it's portrayed as

00:08:11 ◼   ► a trade-off for is getting a thinner iPhone, right?

00:08:15 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:08:16 ◼   ► - Then that's the only, so it, and everyone says,

00:08:20 ◼   ► I don't want a thinner iPhone, which,

00:08:23 ◼   ► I mean, I don't feel like I need a thinner iPhone,

00:08:29 ◼   ► but in fairness, you haven't seen a thinner iPhone yet.

00:08:32 ◼   ► - No.

00:08:33 ◼   ► you might really like a thinner iPhone.

00:08:35 ◼   ► - Well, and as, oh man, here it is.

00:08:38 ◼   ► So I looked it up on the store.apple.com.

00:08:40 ◼   ► The lightning to 30-pin adapter, not a cable,

00:08:43 ◼   ► just the little adapter.

00:08:44 ◼   ► Right now it sells for $29.

00:08:46 ◼   ► So I think it's, maybe it's always been $29.

00:08:48 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:08:49 ◼   ► - And the lightning to 30-pin adapter

00:08:56 ◼   ► that's more of a cable is $39.

00:09:01 ◼   ► It's got a 0.2 meter cable.

00:09:04 ◼   ► So it's a rather, like a 20 centimeter cable.

00:09:09 ◼   ► And that's $39.

00:09:11 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:09:16 ◼   ► I do get the frustration there.

00:09:18 ◼   ► It does seem to me, it seems very clear to me,

00:09:21 ◼   ► and it just seems funny that it always comes up

00:09:24 ◼   ► when you're on the show, that there's a sort of aspect

00:09:26 ◼   ► of let's spend Tim Cook's money.

00:09:31 ◼   ► that these things should be cheaper,

00:09:33 ◼   ► and that whatever money they make from them,

00:09:36 ◼   ► they would gain in goodwill by making them,

00:09:40 ◼   ► if not giving them away,

00:09:42 ◼   ► coming as close to giving them away as they can.

00:09:44 ◼   ► That if they sold them, it cost,

00:09:46 ◼   ► and presumably it costs a lot less than $29

00:09:49 ◼   ► to make this dongle.

00:09:50 ◼   ► They would make up for it in goodwill.

00:09:54 ◼   ► - Right.

00:09:57 ◼   ► - Is that true? - They're not interested.

00:09:57 ◼   ► They're not interested in that.

00:09:59 ◼   ► Well, I think it would be, it would be, it would make the pill easier to swallow.

00:10:04 ◼   ► It, I, you know, I don't know that people would be completely,

00:10:08 ◼   ► 'cause if you're, if you're heavily invested in, in that jack, and I think, you know, I mean, I think some people are.

00:10:14 ◼   ► I'm not, I wouldn't say that I am particularly. I do have many headphones that I wear with that jack,

00:10:21 ◼   ► but I mostly use them for podcasting, and, and so I'm plugging them into a microphone,

00:10:26 ◼   ► instead of plugging it into my iPhone.

00:10:30 ◼   ► And I mostly, and I'm, you know, I'm not an audiophile,

00:10:36 ◼   ► so I mostly use Apple's headphones

00:10:39 ◼   ► when I'm using my iPhone.

00:10:41 ◼   ► And then I also have a pair of Bluetooth headphones

00:10:45 ◼   ► that I use for exercising.

00:10:47 ◼   ► So it wouldn't really change my life that much.

00:10:50 ◼   ► - I just find it a fun thing to talk about on the show

00:10:55 ◼   ► because it's such a petty little thing

00:11:00 ◼   ► in the grand scheme of things, if you really think about it.

00:11:03 ◼   ► It's just not that big a deal in the life of an iPhone user.

00:11:09 ◼   ► But there's so many implications of a change like this

00:11:13 ◼   ► that it makes it fun to think about the trade-offs on Apple's

00:11:16 ◼   ► part.

00:11:18 ◼   ► So let's tackle some more of these implications

00:11:20 ◼   ► of the audio jack.

00:11:23 ◼   ► So one of them, like you said, the idea

00:11:25 ◼   ► would be that Apple would be motivated to do this,

00:11:29 ◼   ► because it would allow them to make the device thinner.

00:11:32 ◼   ► That at this point, 3.5 millimeters,

00:11:34 ◼   ► just for the port alone, is significant.

00:11:39 ◼   ► You know, it's a constraint, given

00:11:42 ◼   ► how the millimeter thickness of these devices.

00:11:45 ◼   ► Now, obviously, there's existence proof

00:11:47 ◼   ► that they can make thinner devices that still

00:11:49 ◼   ► have that port.

00:11:50 ◼   ► Like the iPod Touch, the current generation iPod Touch,

00:11:53 ◼   ► is like a full millimeter thinner than the iPhone 6S.

00:11:58 ◼   ► - Is it really?

00:12:00 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:12:01 ◼   ► - Okay, actually I have them both here,

00:12:03 ◼   ► but they're in cases.

00:12:04 ◼   ► - Or almost so.

00:12:05 ◼   ► It's like the iPhone 6S is like 6.9 millimeters

00:12:09 ◼   ► and the iPod Touch is like 6.1.

00:12:11 ◼   ► And still has a standard audio port.

00:12:16 ◼   ► And the iPod Nano is even thinner still

00:12:23 ◼   ► and still has the regular audio port.

00:12:28 ◼   ► But as some people on Twitter have pointed out,

00:12:31 ◼   ► if you look at the iPod Nano, the length it takes,

00:12:36 ◼   ► the depth that the headphone jack has

00:12:39 ◼   ► to go into the port to fit, it doesn't actually

00:12:43 ◼   ► go underneath the screen at all.

00:12:44 ◼   ► There's a chin.

00:12:46 ◼   ► So it's not like it also has to fit underneath the screen,

00:12:50 ◼   ► where I think it does on the iPhone.

00:12:52 ◼   ► So thinness is definitely certainly one of the angles.

00:12:56 ◼   ► I don't think it means that they couldn't make

00:12:58 ◼   ► an iPhone 7 that's thinner and keep the jack though.

00:13:02 ◼   ► It just probably makes it easier

00:13:04 ◼   ► because it's one last thing to put in.

00:13:05 ◼   ► And I think that the depth of the jack

00:13:08 ◼   ► is actually more of a problem than the thickness of it.

00:13:10 ◼   ► The fact that the standard audio port has to go so far in.

00:13:14 ◼   ► God, this show could be torn apart

00:13:20 ◼   ► to create a political attack ad against me.

00:13:22 ◼   ► Here's another one.

00:13:30 ◼   ► What do you think would happen if they said,

00:13:32 ◼   ► we're taking out the audio jack because we

00:13:37 ◼   ► want to put more battery in?

00:13:40 ◼   ► That would be an interesting thing for them to say.

00:13:42 ◼   ► So we took out the audio jack, and you'll

00:13:46 ◼   ► get another hour and a half of battery.

00:13:50 ◼   ► - That would be interesting.

00:13:52 ◼   ► It would be an interesting way to justify it.

00:13:54 ◼   ► - Instead of saying it's gonna be even thinner.

00:13:57 ◼   ► - Right, because saying that it's even thinner

00:13:58 ◼   ► really only seems to satisfy Apple's internal obsession

00:14:03 ◼   ► with device thinness.

00:14:05 ◼   ► And it could well be that it's more than just

00:14:09 ◼   ► the taste of Johnny Ive and his team

00:14:13 ◼   ► and whoever else is there that they want these devices,

00:14:15 ◼   ► that they value thinness over the battery life

00:14:18 ◼   ► that could be gained by just making the device thicker

00:14:21 ◼   ► or keeping it the thinness of the,

00:14:24 ◼   ► instead of making it as thin as they possibly can

00:14:27 ◼   ► to get the same battery life as the previous generation,

00:14:29 ◼   ► what if they kept the same thickness

00:14:31 ◼   ► as the device thickness as the previous generation

00:14:36 ◼   ► but used their newfound ability to miniaturize

00:14:39 ◼   ► and thin things to just create more room for a battery?

00:14:42 ◼   ► Right, that's the thing that some people,

00:14:45 ◼   ► a lot of people seem to want Apple to do.

00:14:47 ◼   ► It could well be that Apple has internal marketing

00:14:50 ◼   ► like data, like, you know, that suggests, if not proves,

00:14:57 ◼   ► that given the choice in a store,

00:15:00 ◼   ► people will choose the thinner device.

00:15:02 ◼   ► And that there might be, as much as many of us think

00:15:05 ◼   ► that people would be happier with the thicker device

00:15:09 ◼   ► that gets longer battery life,

00:15:10 ◼   ► Apple might have some knowledge to know

00:15:12 ◼   ► that at the point of sale,

00:15:14 ◼   ► people are gonna buy the thinner one.

00:15:16 ◼   ► And it would expose them to--

00:15:18 ◼   ► - I wouldn't be, yeah.

00:15:19 ◼   ► I wouldn't be surprised by that really

00:15:21 ◼   ► because I don't think it's like,

00:15:23 ◼   ► it's not like this for me anymore

00:15:24 ◼   ► but that used to be the one thing

00:15:26 ◼   ► when I looked at years ago when I looked at Android phones,

00:15:28 ◼   ► I thought, wow, it would be really cool

00:15:30 ◼   ► to have a phone that was that thin.

00:15:32 ◼   ► - Samsung has one, it's one of the galaxies.

00:15:36 ◼   ► It's not the flagship 'cause the flagship one

00:15:37 ◼   ► has higher specs and can't be that thin.

00:15:40 ◼   ► But there's one of the current Galaxy phones,

00:15:42 ◼   ► Somebody, I saw somebody claim is only 5.9 millimeters.

00:15:46 ◼   ► So Samsung's in a race for thinness too.

00:15:49 ◼   ► And don't forget that these are the sort of decisions

00:15:52 ◼   ► that when Apple makes now for next year,

00:15:54 ◼   ► if they stick to the current plan

00:15:57 ◼   ► of using the same hardware for two years,

00:15:59 ◼   ► basic hardware profile for two years,

00:16:02 ◼   ► with a seven next year and then a seven S

00:16:05 ◼   ► the year after that,

00:16:06 ◼   ► that if they make a mistake here and go thicker

00:16:11 ◼   ► and Samsung goes way thinner and it proves to be a hit,

00:16:15 ◼   ► they could be the same sort of thing that happened

00:16:16 ◼   ► with larger screen sizes a few years ago

00:16:19 ◼   ► where larger screen sizes clearly were selling phones.

00:16:24 ◼   ► And there was even, it is one of those rare things

00:16:27 ◼   ► that we have proof of because it came out

00:16:29 ◼   ► in the court case, one of the court cases was Samsung

00:16:33 ◼   ► where there was like an email,

00:16:34 ◼   ► I think might have even been from Schiller himself,

00:16:36 ◼   ► but it was certainly from somebody on Schiller's team.

00:16:39 ◼   ► There was an internal email at Apple

00:16:40 ◼   ► that said some people want what we don't have,

00:16:45 ◼   ► larger screen phones.

00:16:47 ◼   ► And they can't just scramble and, you know,

00:16:53 ◼   ► come out with a new phone next month with a bigger screen.

00:16:55 ◼   ► These things are, you know, have two year lead times,

00:16:59 ◼   ► maybe even longer.

00:17:00 ◼   ► So if Apple thinks or maybe even knows

00:17:05 ◼   ► that thinness sells and they certainly know

00:17:07 ◼   ► that Samsung is capable of making devices

00:17:10 ◼   ► that are thin, if not other companies too,

00:17:13 ◼   ► they may not wanna do this.

00:17:16 ◼   ► Even if they also know that customer satisfaction-wise,

00:17:20 ◼   ► after they've already purchased a phone,

00:17:22 ◼   ► if it had the longer battery life of a thicker thing,

00:17:25 ◼   ► people would be happier.

00:17:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, it is strange though to see lots of people saying

00:17:33 ◼   ► that they don't want something that,

00:17:37 ◼   ► I mean, obviously this is presented as,

00:17:39 ◼   ► no, you gotta get rid of this in order to get that.

00:17:41 ◼   ► If they came out and just said it was gonna be

00:17:42 ◼   ► a thinner phone, you'd probably get

00:17:44 ◼   ► a slightly different reaction

00:17:45 ◼   ► without the, you're gonna lose the headphone jack.

00:17:48 ◼   ► But it seems like it used to be like,

00:17:52 ◼   ► here are the things that, you know,

00:17:54 ◼   ► seems like they might be coming in the next iPhone

00:17:56 ◼   ► and everyone would be pretty excited about those things

00:17:59 ◼   ► with the exception of lighting.

00:18:01 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:18:02 ◼   ► - And I feel like, like I feel like I don't,

00:18:05 ◼   ► I don't necessarily, I don't feel like I'm that excited

00:18:07 ◼   ► about a thinner phone at this point.

00:18:09 ◼   ► and we've had this discussion before too,

00:18:12 ◼   ► I would rather have a smaller phone.

00:18:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, it may not just be about thinness though.

00:18:16 ◼   ► So I say it could be, it could help,

00:18:19 ◼   ► and maybe it would help with battery life too.

00:18:21 ◼   ► But there are other factors too.

00:18:23 ◼   ► Like even if you could just concede for the moment

00:18:26 ◼   ► that they could go as thin as they want to

00:18:28 ◼   ► and still keep the other jack.

00:18:29 ◼   ► That whatever thinness they're planning for

00:18:32 ◼   ► for the iPhone 7, it could accommodate

00:18:34 ◼   ► a 3.5 millimeter headphone jack.

00:18:36 ◼   ► I don't know if that's true or not,

00:18:37 ◼   ► but let's just concede it for the moment.

00:18:39 ◼   ► It's also another point of potential water damage.

00:18:44 ◼   ► One less port is one lens, one less thing

00:18:48 ◼   ► to have to try to protect against water getting in there.

00:18:55 ◼   ► Having two ports definitely takes more space

00:19:00 ◼   ► inside the device than one port that does both things.

00:19:06 ◼   ► that's just like a obvious fact.

00:19:08 ◼   ► So in other ways, other than thinness,

00:19:10 ◼   ► it might, like you said, batteries, one life,

00:19:12 ◼   ► who knows what else they could use that space for,

00:19:15 ◼   ► but they could certainly, they certainly take advantage

00:19:17 ◼   ► of every bit of space that they can.

00:19:19 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:19:20 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:19:25 ◼   ► - The problem is like, is charging.

00:19:26 ◼   ► I mean, everybody's, you know,

00:19:27 ◼   ► - Right. - worked this out already,

00:19:28 ◼   ► but like when you're, and I do this,

00:19:30 ◼   ► I do this sometimes where I put the headphones in

00:19:32 ◼   ► and I'm charging while I'm at my desk

00:19:33 ◼   ► and listening to something.

00:19:35 ◼   ► and having to find a dongle and nobody really wants a dongle.

00:19:45 ◼   ► Like a Y-adapter dongle.

00:19:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:19:48 ◼   ► The idea would be that even if you're on board--

00:19:51 ◼   ► on the one hand, if you want to stick

00:19:52 ◼   ► with your beloved old pair of headphones that

00:19:56 ◼   ► has a 3.5-millimeter jack, then you

00:19:59 ◼   ► need a dongle to go 3.5 to lightning.

00:20:05 ◼   ► And it can't be a tiny little dongle,

00:20:07 ◼   ► because we know how long the adapter is on the headphones.

00:20:13 ◼   ► And I'm looking at it right now.

00:20:16 ◼   ► Yeah, at a minimum, it's at least, what, half an inch?

00:20:23 ◼   ► Not that small.

00:20:24 ◼   ► So you've got this thing sticking out

00:20:26 ◼   ► of your phone plus the actual cable itself

00:20:28 ◼   ► from the headphone that sticks out from the phone.

00:20:30 ◼   ► So it's, you know, cumbersome.

00:20:33 ◼   ► But even if you're willing to go on board

00:20:35 ◼   ► with a new pair of lightning headphones,

00:20:38 ◼   ► which presumably Apple would ship with the device

00:20:40 ◼   ► and other companies are already making,

00:20:43 ◼   ► if you wanna charge and use those at the same times,

00:20:45 ◼   ► you'd still need an adapter

00:20:46 ◼   ► so that you could have two lightning inputs,

00:20:48 ◼   ► one for charging, one for the headphone.

00:20:51 ◼   ► And I'm not even sure if that would work.

00:20:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, unless you have inductive charging.

00:20:57 ◼   ► - Right, and I fully concede.

00:21:00 ◼   ► One of the things, this is just one of those things

00:21:01 ◼   ► where I just like to sit here and think about it

00:21:04 ◼   ► from Apple's perspective, and I don't really have

00:21:07 ◼   ► strong feelings one way or the other.

00:21:08 ◼   ► Like me trying to justify it and thinking of the reasons

00:21:11 ◼   ► Apple might wanna do it isn't me saying

00:21:13 ◼   ► I think this is a great idea.

00:21:15 ◼   ► I'm not sure, I think it's interesting

00:21:18 ◼   ► 'cause there's so many trade-offs,

00:21:19 ◼   ► but the needing to charge or wanting to charge

00:21:23 ◼   ► while you listen with headphones

00:21:24 ◼   ► is absolutely, positively a real thing.

00:21:26 ◼   ► I see my son doing it all the time.

00:21:28 ◼   ► His devices seem to all live in the--

00:21:32 ◼   ► like the best charge they ever seem to get

00:21:34 ◼   ► puts him in the yellow.

00:21:35 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:21:38 ◼   ► Yeah, I think Hank is similar.

00:21:41 ◼   ► I mean, so even just since this rumor popped up,

00:21:44 ◼   ► I've spotted Jonas at least twice using his--

00:21:48 ◼   ► I think it was both times it was his iPad--

00:21:50 ◼   ► but using his iPad with headphones,

00:21:52 ◼   ► watching video while it was charging.

00:21:55 ◼   ► So I fully concede that is not just something people want to do.

00:22:00 ◼   ► It's something people like my son would have to do other than to stare at a black iPhone.

00:22:05 ◼   ► Just let it go out.

00:22:06 ◼   ► Yeah, just stare at the black screen of a dead iPad.

00:22:10 ◼   ► So I don't know how Apple solves it.

00:22:12 ◼   ► Maybe the answer is, of course, that they don't and that this whole story is bullshit

00:22:16 ◼   ► and that they're not getting rid of the separate jack.

00:22:18 ◼   ► Well, that's the other thing that's kind of ridiculous about the whole thing

00:22:22 ◼   ► is it has really been widely discussed

00:22:26 ◼   ► and it is all based off this one.

00:22:29 ◼   ► - Right.

00:22:30 ◼   ► - This one source.

00:22:31 ◼   ► - Like so inside Apple, there's somebody, you know,

00:22:34 ◼   ► some team that clearly already knows the answer to this.

00:22:37 ◼   ► I think that this is one of those decisions

00:22:39 ◼   ► that's already been made.

00:22:41 ◼   ► And they're either, they're laughing one way or the other.

00:22:45 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:22:46 ◼   ► Either way, they're laughing.

00:22:48 ◼   ► Like if there is an iPhone,

00:22:50 ◼   ► If there is a regular, good old fashioned 3.5 millimeter

00:22:54 ◼   ► headphone jack on the iPhone 7 next year,

00:22:56 ◼   ► the team inside Apple is laughing at all of the thought

00:22:59 ◼   ► that we're all putting into this and all the consternation

00:23:02 ◼   ► out there on the web.

00:23:03 ◼   ► And if there's not, they're at least

00:23:05 ◼   ► chuckling at the people who are saying,

00:23:07 ◼   ► there's no way they would do this.

00:23:09 ◼   ► It would make everybody too furious.

00:23:10 ◼   ► Yeah, they're no stranger to controversy.

00:23:17 ◼   ► So I don't think--

00:23:19 ◼   ► It's funny though, because it is clearly controversial.

00:23:22 ◼   ► And it's like there's something about Apple that makes them--

00:23:25 ◼   ► one of the ways that Apple is clearly

00:23:27 ◼   ► different than other companies.

00:23:28 ◼   ► Is they're the only company whoever

00:23:30 ◼   ► seems to face these things?

00:23:31 ◼   ► I never see-- for one thing, other companies

00:23:36 ◼   ► tend to keep legacy ports around almost as long as they can.

00:23:40 ◼   ► As opposed to looking for a way to get rid of legacy ports,

00:23:43 ◼   ► they look for a way to keep them going as long as they can.

00:23:47 ◼   ► Yeah, it's like they don't want to lose that one extra sale.

00:23:50 ◼   ► And then even when they do, I don't know

00:23:52 ◼   ► how they escape the criticism.

00:23:54 ◼   ► Like, Android phones-- iPhones have gone from--

00:23:59 ◼   ► and for the sake of an argument, if you just

00:24:02 ◼   ► count the iPod as a sibling predecessor to the iPhone,

00:24:08 ◼   ► they've gone through two ports ever,

00:24:11 ◼   ► 30-pin, starting with the original iPod, to--

00:24:16 ◼   ► Nope, the first one had FireWire.

00:24:18 ◼   ► Right, so it was the same on the 30 pin end,

00:24:22 ◼   ► but it was only FireWire on the other end.

00:24:24 ◼   ► But you needed a new cable, so we'll call that--

00:24:28 ◼   ► Wait, wait.

00:24:29 ◼   ► No, it was a--

00:24:30 ◼   ► No, the original iPod was FireWire on both ends.

00:24:34 ◼   ► Oh my god, you're right.

00:24:35 ◼   ► Yeah, you are right.

00:24:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:24:36 ◼   ► I'm totally wrong on that.

00:24:38 ◼   ► So there are-- all right, so here's

00:24:39 ◼   ► the changes they've gone through,

00:24:41 ◼   ► including all the iPods.

00:24:43 ◼   ► The first one was FireWire, FireWire.

00:24:45 ◼   ► Then they went 30 pin to FireWire,

00:24:48 ◼   ► and then it was 30 pin to USB.

00:24:51 ◼   ► But if you just made like a clock radio that

00:24:53 ◼   ► had the 30 pin thing, it would work with whatever your iPod

00:24:57 ◼   ► was, and then lightning.

00:25:00 ◼   ► Other devices, the ones that just use like USB,

00:25:02 ◼   ► went through--

00:25:03 ◼   ► I forget the names of them, but there's

00:25:05 ◼   ► like sort of the thicker mini USB.

00:25:09 ◼   ► Then there's the thinner new micro USB.

00:25:12 ◼   ► It was like there was like mini USB, micro USB,

00:25:15 ◼   ► now USB-C, which is nice because it's like lightning and you can't put it in upside down.

00:25:20 ◼   ► It works both directions. For some reason when they switch, they don't get the controversy.

00:25:26 ◼   ► Yeah. That always used to make me laugh because people on the Android side would make fun

00:25:31 ◼   ► of Apple for like, "Oh, your ports match." And I was like, "Yeah, 100 years."

00:25:38 ◼   ► And it's like I know some people are saying that would say, "Well, no, but Apple is the

00:25:43 ◼   ► the only one who tries to gouge you for $29 for an adapter.

00:25:48 ◼   ► But in short order, you can go to Amazon or Monoprice,

00:25:56 ◼   ► for example, and get a high quality adapter that's

00:25:59 ◼   ► not made by Apple for a reasonable price.

00:26:01 ◼   ► So I mean, you can make the transition.

00:26:03 ◼   ► And those are the only places that people on Android

00:26:07 ◼   ► buy cables and stuff like that.

00:26:09 ◼   ► So the fact that Apple's first party adapters and dongles

00:26:13 ◼   ► are seemingly exorbitantly priced.

00:26:16 ◼   ► It doesn't really make things worse

00:26:18 ◼   ► for anybody who's sensitive to that

00:26:19 ◼   ► and just goes to Amazon.

00:26:21 ◼   ► I mean, it's not like Amazon is some obscure company

00:26:23 ◼   ► that nobody's heard of.

00:26:24 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:26:26 ◼   ► - It might be slightly cheaper to get USB adapters.

00:26:33 ◼   ► - Might be.

00:26:34 ◼   ► - Because the other ones, I mean, the other ones,

00:26:36 ◼   ► somebody has to license from Apple, right?

00:26:38 ◼   ► They have to license one end from Apple.

00:26:40 ◼   ► - Right, but there's other--

00:26:41 ◼   ► - It still gets down to the point where it's,

00:26:43 ◼   ► okay, we're still talking about like 10 bucks.

00:26:46 ◼   ► - There's other hassles involved though,

00:26:48 ◼   ► and they're all reasonable.

00:26:49 ◼   ► I mean, these are all reasonable complaints.

00:26:51 ◼   ► They're actual truth, the actual truth, they're obvious.

00:26:54 ◼   ► But the problem where,

00:26:56 ◼   ► like in a two-person household,

00:27:01 ◼   ► where Person A has,

00:27:05 ◼   ► or at one point, you both have phones

00:27:07 ◼   ► with the same port on it,

00:27:08 ◼   ► and then one of you upgrades to a new one

00:27:10 ◼   ► and it has a different port.

00:27:11 ◼   ► And now all the various places, like in that kitchen

00:27:14 ◼   ► or wherever you might share a little charging station,

00:27:18 ◼   ► now you can't just use the same cable.

00:27:19 ◼   ► And you've got to either have two of them everywhere

00:27:22 ◼   ► or divide up the territory 50/50.

00:27:26 ◼   ► Doesn't matter whether it's Lightning and 30 pin

00:27:28 ◼   ► or USB, micro USB, and USB-C. It's the same problem.

00:27:32 ◼   ► But somehow this only becomes like a public brouhaha

00:27:36 ◼   ► with Apple.

00:27:40 ◼   ► get that. I don't get it either. I guess it's because I don't know, I mean I guess you could

00:27:50 ◼   ► feasibly have a choice if you're on Android you could have a choice to go to a phone that

00:27:54 ◼   ► has like the connector that you like, which seems like an awful way to make a decision

00:27:59 ◼   ► to buy how to buy a phone. I really like mini USB and I'm gonna buy whatever phone has a

00:28:06 ◼   ► mini USB jack. Do not try to sell me micro USB.

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00:33:52 ◼   ► Let's go back to the,

00:33:54 ◼   ► if we go back to the audio port thing,

00:33:56 ◼   ► I wanna just say this.

00:33:57 ◼   ► That's the idea of, let's just say, in theory,

00:33:59 ◼   ► that Apple could either, like, let's just say for like

00:34:03 ◼   ► a month after the new iPhone 7 comes out,

00:34:05 ◼   ► and it doesn't have the headphone jack,

00:34:07 ◼   ► if they just have like a fishbowl in the Apple store,

00:34:11 ◼   ► where you can go in and just say,

00:34:15 ◼   ► "Hey, I need another one of those adapters."

00:34:17 ◼   ► And Apple, you know, they just give you one.

00:34:20 ◼   ► Not only would you get one for free with your iPhone,

00:34:23 ◼   ► that you could just go to the Apple store,

00:34:24 ◼   ► and if you want like two or three of them,

00:34:26 ◼   ► they'll just give you like, you know,

00:34:27 ◼   ► a reasonable number of them.

00:34:29 ◼   ► And then after that, like after the holiday season's over

00:34:34 ◼   ► or something like that, they just settle in

00:34:36 ◼   ► and sell them for, let's say,

00:34:38 ◼   ► I mean, I think the cheapest they could possibly

00:34:39 ◼   ► sell them for is, let's say, $9.95.

00:34:42 ◼   ► It doesn't seem to me like they would sell them for less,

00:34:44 ◼   ► but that's pretty cheap.

00:34:45 ◼   ► Why don't they do that?

00:34:47 ◼   ► Why don't they just give them away like candy?

00:34:50 ◼   ► - You got me.

00:34:52 ◼   ► - I think, well, there's two explanations.

00:34:56 ◼   ► One is the cynical one, which is that they really

00:35:00 ◼   ► do purposefully sell them for an exorbitant price

00:35:02 ◼   ► because they want the money.

00:35:04 ◼   ► And my two explanations aren't necessarily

00:35:09 ◼   ► at odds with each other.

00:35:09 ◼   ► There could be different groups within the company

00:35:11 ◼   ► that agree with both of them.

00:35:13 ◼   ► So there could be like a Tim Cook bean counter side,

00:35:18 ◼   ► Jeff Williams operation side that says,

00:35:20 ◼   ► if we can sell these for $29, that would be great

00:35:23 ◼   ► because we can make them for $3.

00:35:26 ◼   ► The other side, the product marketing side, might be sort of a, if we don't make it painful,

00:35:36 ◼   ► sufficiently painful to make this transition, even knowing that there's a cost to our image

00:35:44 ◼   ► because people will see us as money grubbing and purposefully making annoying port decisions

00:35:50 ◼   ► on the iPhone every year.

00:35:52 ◼   ► But if we don't do this, if it's not sufficiently painful, it won't motivate people to move

00:35:56 ◼   ► to the new thing.

00:35:59 ◼   ► And think about it with just the fact that there already are lightning headphones out

00:36:05 ◼   ► there but as far as I can tell, very few people use them.

00:36:09 ◼   ► And there aren't as many as I guess Apple would like.

00:36:13 ◼   ► I'm assuming they're more expensive.

00:36:14 ◼   ► They haven't liked.

00:36:16 ◼   ► Yeah, and I guess they have to be licensed.

00:36:18 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:36:19 ◼   ► Yeah, they would have to be, right?

00:36:22 ◼   ► I...

00:36:24 ◼   ► Well, the thing, I mean, the only thing that's a...

00:36:28 ◼   ► I think that's certainly probably true in the switch from 30-pin to Lightning.

00:36:34 ◼   ► Because I think Lightning was just a... it's just really legitimately a better experience.

00:36:41 ◼   ► The only thing that is kind of a...

00:36:44 ◼   ► I mean, obviously some of this is because we don't really know the whole story yet, even if it's happening.

00:36:49 ◼   ► But like if late the but the charging situation is not really a better such

00:36:53 ◼   ► Situation right that is not a better experience. Hmm

00:36:57 ◼   ► Yeah, so I guess the other question to ask is what would make this configuration better because I really do think Apple would only this

00:37:07 ◼   ► Is only going to happen if Apple thinks that overall this is better in some way

00:37:11 ◼   ► Yeah, and I don't I'm not quite sure I see it especially with the charging and

00:37:17 ◼   ► listening at the same time angle.

00:37:19 ◼   ► We may or may not have just spent the first hour of the show talking about something that's not happening that I don't even think is

00:37:27 ◼   ► going to happen.

00:37:27 ◼   ► But I just think that it could because it just sounds like something Apple would do, which is more or less what I said when I

00:37:33 ◼   ► blogged about it.

00:37:34 ◼   ► I just I just started it just sounds like so appley like we're gonna get rid of this thing that

00:37:39 ◼   ► it seems absurd to get rid of and

00:37:41 ◼   ► and knowing that it's going to make some people very angry

00:37:45 ◼   ► and make everybody else at least mildly annoyed.

00:37:47 ◼   ► Yeah. Well, they've been doing it for, you know, they've been doing it since the iMac, right?

00:37:53 ◼   ► Yeah. The other whole angle on this, and I've seen tons of people on Twitter,

00:37:57 ◼   ► we absolutely have to mention it, can't go on without doing it,

00:38:00 ◼   ► would be that the idea that maybe Apple expects people to switch to wireless headphones

00:38:07 ◼   ► and that maybe even the default ones that will ship with the iPhone will be wireless

00:38:11 ◼   ► and that yes, the you know if you want to use

00:38:16 ◼   ► your old headphones you can do it with the dongle if you want to get a new pair

00:38:20 ◼   ► of lightning headphones you can do it without a dongle

00:38:22 ◼   ► but that the default experience will switch from you know

00:38:26 ◼   ► connected headphones to wireless headphones

00:38:30 ◼   ► and they would have to ship Bluetooth headphones with

00:38:33 ◼   ► every iPhone.

00:38:36 ◼   ► I mean, it certainly would be more expensive.

00:38:41 ◼   ► My experience with wireless headphones, though, is not perfect.

00:38:47 ◼   ► I do like it for some things.

00:38:48 ◼   ► I do like it when I go jogging.

00:38:51 ◼   ► It really is.

00:38:52 ◼   ► There's no configuration of, even not even counting connecting it to an iPhone, but just

00:38:58 ◼   ► connecting it to the smallest iPod Nanos that they ever made or whatever the small one is.

00:39:06 ◼   ► No way does exercising with a wire connected to your ears is it eventually you're going to get tangled up in it.

00:39:17 ◼   ► So for that it's great but there's some problems with it where the latency isn't great.

00:39:23 ◼   ► It certainly isn't the instantaneous latency of a wired connection.

00:39:28 ◼   ► You know like when you hit the clicker on your ear thing to pause it takes a moment.

00:39:34 ◼   ► there's and it's noticeable that it doesn't pause the audio immediately yeah

00:39:38 ◼   ► it's a fraction of a second for me now after I've updated the firmware on on

00:39:43 ◼   ► these beats ones that I have but it's definitely noticeable every time I

00:39:47 ◼   ► notice that every single time because I'm used to I have you know I don't know

00:39:50 ◼   ► a lifetime of thinking that as soon as I hit pause my audio pauses I mean that

00:39:55 ◼   ► was true even in the cassette era yeah did the beats um skip ever or sort of

00:40:00 ◼   ► like stutter every once in a while yeah cuz that's I've got these plantronics

00:40:07 ◼   ► ones that I that I like well enough they're fairly comfortable and they stay

00:40:11 ◼   ► on real well but yeah I mean they I tried several really cheap Bluetooth

00:40:16 ◼   ► headsets and they were well I was really trying to find something that would work

00:40:20 ◼   ► with the watch because I wanted to be able to run right you know just like

00:40:23 ◼   ► leave the house with just the wearing just the watch and my and my Bluetooth

00:40:27 ◼   ► headphones and the cheap ones just did not, you know, this is, there was too much,

00:40:31 ◼   ► way too much skipping. I couldn't, it wasn't a good experience at all. So I got

00:40:34 ◼   ► these Plantronics ones which are much better, but still every once in a while

00:40:37 ◼   ► you get a little skip. Mostly, much more with the watch than with the phone, but

00:40:42 ◼   ► even so I think I've gotten a couple, you know, a couple instances with the phone

00:40:46 ◼   ► too. Yeah, wanting to go and, you know, if I could just put, if I could have a copy

00:40:51 ◼   ► of overcast on my watch and have the actual tele overcast or even I would even maybe even go back

00:40:59 ◼   ► to Apple's podcast player if it wasn't possible for third-party apps but if I could have the

00:41:02 ◼   ► podcasts on my watch and leave the house with nothing but the watch and bluetooth headphones

00:41:09 ◼   ► that would be fantastic because yeah any any possible way of carrying the phone stinks for

00:41:15 ◼   ► if you're going out running or something like that yeah yeah um but it's hard now

00:41:20 ◼   ► And it's just kind of frustrating because that's one of the things that was one of the first videos.

00:41:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:26 ◼   ► Like in the first watch demo, you know, they show these people jogging with headphones.

00:41:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:33 ◼   ► It's like, that's not really...

00:41:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:36 ◼   ► That didn't really pan out so well.

00:41:38 ◼   ► No, and when you... once you get to wireless, the pairing process, no matter how much effort they put into it,

00:41:44 ◼   ► is nowhere near as seamless as the pairing process of a wired pair of headphones, right?

00:41:48 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:41:48 ◼   ► pull it out of this one, stick it into this one,

00:41:51 ◼   ► and you're paired.

00:41:52 ◼   ► Whereas if your wireless headphones are normally paired

00:41:55 ◼   ► with your iPhone, but you wanna just leave and pair,

00:41:58 ◼   ► you know, have it with your watch, you've gotta go,

00:42:01 ◼   ► I forget what you even do,

00:42:03 ◼   ► I think you have to do it on the phone, right?

00:42:04 ◼   ► You go over to the phone and launch the Apple Watch app

00:42:07 ◼   ► and pair it from there, and then it's unpaired from here.

00:42:09 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:42:10 ◼   ► - It's, I don't know, it just seems to me like to make it,

00:42:15 ◼   ► to make that work and make it be the default experience

00:42:17 ◼   ► that we use for headphones seems like it's not there.

00:42:21 ◼   ► And the Bluetooth latency thing,

00:42:22 ◼   ► and the skipping and stuff like that is definitely an issue.

00:42:24 ◼   ► Amy has a pair that she bought,

00:42:26 ◼   ► I forget what brand they were,

00:42:28 ◼   ► but she just went to the wire cutter and bought their,

00:42:32 ◼   ► here's our recommended pair of Bluetooth headphones,

00:42:36 ◼   ► and she just got those.

00:42:38 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:42:42 ◼   ► She was mad, she wanted Marco to do a wireless headphone

00:42:45 ◼   ► thing because she was very upset

00:42:47 ◼   ► because they were not good.

00:42:48 ◼   ► I think what happened is I think that the wire cutter

00:42:51 ◼   ► might be values that cost a little bit more than quality

00:42:55 ◼   ► than we do because hers skip a lot.

00:42:59 ◼   ► - Weren't they still, weren't those still

00:43:00 ◼   ► a couple hundred bucks 'cause I looked at those too?

00:43:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, they weren't cheap, that's the other thing too.

00:43:05 ◼   ► It wasn't like it was, here's what we recommend

00:43:07 ◼   ► 'cause it was super low cost,

00:43:08 ◼   ► it was sort of a balance between cost and...

00:43:12 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:43:13 ◼   ► - And the Beats ones I bought were, I don't know,

00:43:16 ◼   ► They were like three or $4,000.

00:43:18 ◼   ► - Oh my God.

00:43:19 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:43:21 ◼   ► You're kidding.

00:43:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm kidding.

00:43:25 ◼   ► - Okay, for a minute there.

00:43:28 ◼   ► - I think they were.

00:43:29 ◼   ► - I thought that was possible.

00:43:30 ◼   ► - I do think that they were 200.

00:43:31 ◼   ► - 100 bucks probably.

00:43:32 ◼   ► - I think they were like $299 or 249 or something.

00:43:35 ◼   ► It felt like I, this is why--

00:43:37 ◼   ► - 'Cause I looked at that, yeah.

00:43:38 ◼   ► - It felt like as I was cashing out,

00:43:41 ◼   ► I bought them in an Apple store just to look at them

00:43:43 ◼   ► and I thought, I'll buy these Beats ones

00:43:45 ◼   ► because these have come out recently.

00:43:48 ◼   ► I think they came out this year,

00:43:49 ◼   ► so it was after the Apple acquisition.

00:43:52 ◼   ► It's not a very Apple-y product.

00:43:53 ◼   ► It's not like Apple has,

00:43:55 ◼   ► these were probably designed beforehand.

00:43:56 ◼   ► I mean, and they use micro USB, which is real gross,

00:43:59 ◼   ► but for the charging.

00:44:02 ◼   ► But I figured if the Beats ones don't work right with Apple,

00:44:06 ◼   ► and I say this knowing Beats's reputation

00:44:08 ◼   ► that the audio quality for Beats headphones of any sort

00:44:11 ◼   ► is not that great,

00:44:12 ◼   ► and that you're overpaying for the brand.

00:44:15 ◼   ► But I just figured if the Beats ones don't work right,

00:44:21 ◼   ► which ones will?

00:44:22 ◼   ► So I might as well just pay for it.

00:44:24 ◼   ► But paying $249 for a pair of these things really felt like

00:44:27 ◼   ► I was paying like $4,000.

00:44:30 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:44:32 ◼   ► - Well, the Plantronics ones were like 90 bucks.

00:44:36 ◼   ► And they're okay.

00:44:39 ◼   ► - But if even the cheap ones from third parties

00:44:42 ◼   ► cost $99, can Apple really afford to?

00:44:46 ◼   ► - Well, when I say I bought some cheap ones,

00:44:47 ◼   ► I mean, the other ones that I bought were like 30 bucks.

00:44:50 ◼   ► They were really cheap.

00:44:52 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:44:53 ◼   ► - And I don't recommend that.

00:44:55 ◼   ► - No.

00:44:56 ◼   ► - So I had to go, so I basically, I tried these other ones

00:44:59 ◼   ► and I was like, okay, this is a terrible experience.

00:45:01 ◼   ► And then I got the Plantronics one, so I tripled my Outlay

00:45:05 ◼   ► and was satisfied enough.

00:45:09 ◼   ► I mean, so I got the watch and I wanted to be able

00:45:11 ◼   ► to do this, you know, running with the headphones.

00:45:13 ◼   ► And I, at the time, like back in the spring,

00:45:17 ◼   ► I wasn't sure how much I was gonna like the watch.

00:45:21 ◼   ► And so I didn't really wanna dump a lot of money

00:45:25 ◼   ► on this whole thing.

00:45:26 ◼   ► So I wanted, particularly for the headphones,

00:45:30 ◼   ► I wanted to pay as little as possible.

00:45:32 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:45:32 ◼   ► So I don't know, it seems to me that Apple

00:45:37 ◼   ► would have to improve the state of the art considerably

00:45:41 ◼   ► to make that possible as the sort of default experience

00:45:44 ◼   ► for how we're going to listen to stuff

00:45:46 ◼   ► from our iPhones to make wireless.

00:45:48 ◼   ► And I say wireless rather than even Bluetooth

00:45:50 ◼   ► 'cause maybe the way that they would do it

00:45:52 ◼   ► would be to use their own wireless.

00:45:55 ◼   ► - Airplay?

00:45:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know.

00:45:58 ◼   ► - I hope it's not airplay.

00:46:00 ◼   ► - Well, but use something other than Bluetooth

00:46:03 ◼   ► simply because I honestly don't think

00:46:06 ◼   ► Bluetooth is all that good.

00:46:07 ◼   ► Like I quipped last month that, you know,

00:46:10 ◼   ► the slogan of the Bluetooth consortium is,

00:46:13 ◼   ► "Just wait till next year."

00:46:15 ◼   ► But it really is, it's been forever.

00:46:17 ◼   ► Ever since I first bought my first Bluetooth product,

00:46:22 ◼   ► it has always been, you figure it out,

00:46:24 ◼   ► you finally get it working,

00:46:26 ◼   ► and you realize this isn't that great,

00:46:28 ◼   ► and it's kind of finicky, and sometimes it loses.

00:46:31 ◼   ► It loses its connection, even when it's right next door

00:46:34 ◼   ► to the thing it's supposed to be connected to,

00:46:36 ◼   ► and then you go and read about it,

00:46:37 ◼   ► and they're like, "Just wait till Bluetooth 2.0.

00:46:39 ◼   ► It solves all these problems.

00:46:40 ◼   ► And then Bluetooth 2.0 comes out

00:46:42 ◼   ► and you realize that it has all these problems

00:46:44 ◼   ► and they say, "Just wait 'til Bluetooth 3.0.

00:46:46 ◼   ► Just wait 'til Bluetooth 4.0 with low power

00:46:49 ◼   ► and stuff like that."

00:46:50 ◼   ► But it's, now they're saying,

00:46:53 ◼   ► whatever the next Bluetooth is

00:46:55 ◼   ► is gonna solve all these problems.

00:46:56 ◼   ► I mean, I hope it does someday,

00:46:57 ◼   ► but I wouldn't be surprised,

00:46:58 ◼   ► I really wouldn't be surprised at all

00:47:00 ◼   ► if Apple just goes proprietary on it

00:47:02 ◼   ► and figures out their own short range

00:47:05 ◼   ► wireless networking thing.

00:47:08 ◼   ► That'd be nice.

00:47:10 ◼   ► - I don't even know if networking's

00:47:11 ◼   ► quite the right way to put it,

00:47:12 ◼   ► but you know, wireless connector technology.

00:47:14 ◼   ► Just do it on your own.

00:47:16 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:47:17 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:47:18 ◼   ► My experience though with AirPlay has not been great.

00:47:20 ◼   ► So.

00:47:21 ◼   ► - I think that that's more complicated though,

00:47:24 ◼   ► 'cause I think AirPlay is, who knows?

00:47:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's dependent on a lot of different things, right?

00:47:29 ◼   ► I mean, 'cause it has to go through your network and.

00:47:31 ◼   ► - Right, and it goes,

00:47:32 ◼   ► it's not just Bluetooth or something.

00:47:34 ◼   ► It's, you know, goes over the wifi channel

00:47:36 ◼   ► and stuff like that.

00:47:37 ◼   ► The other thing, but it gets back to charging,

00:47:39 ◼   ► and it gets back to, you know, that there's,

00:47:42 ◼   ► if you're using wired headphones and sharing the same port,

00:47:45 ◼   ► there's a problem, or if you wanna charge it,

00:47:48 ◼   ► there's a charging problem with wireless headphones too,

00:47:49 ◼   ► which is that your headphones can lose their battery power,

00:47:53 ◼   ► and that's a real pain in the ass.

00:47:55 ◼   ► And so if your default headphones are wireless,

00:47:59 ◼   ► now you're just adding yet another thing

00:48:01 ◼   ► that you need to charge to your life.

00:48:04 ◼   ► Like, I understand the appeal of,

00:48:06 ◼   ► wow, this is yet another thing that I don't need a cable for anymore to use, but on the

00:48:12 ◼   ► other hand, now you need another thing that you have to charge all the time.

00:48:17 ◼   ► The Beats have decent battery life.

00:48:20 ◼   ► It's about what I kind of, I guess, about the best I could have hoped for, but it's

00:48:24 ◼   ► not great.

00:48:25 ◼   ► I mean, you definitely have to remember, if you use them all the time, you have to remember

00:48:28 ◼   ► to charge them a lot.

00:48:31 ◼   ► The nice thing about the Plantronics is when you turn it on, and actually I don't think

00:48:35 ◼   ► it doesn't work. It should do it when you turn it off, but when you turn it on it tells

00:48:38 ◼   ► you how charged it is. It says "battery full" or "battery partially full."

00:48:45 ◼   ► It's like the smallest icon anybody's ever created, but when you pair them with your

00:48:49 ◼   ► iPhone there's a little charge indicator up in the menu bar.

00:48:55 ◼   ► For everything or just for the beats? Oh, maybe it's just for the beats. I thought

00:48:58 ◼   ► it was for the beats. Yeah, I don't remember seeing that, but I wasn't looking for it.

00:49:03 ◼   ► of a battery that's horizontal, it's a little vertical battery. It is so small that I can't

00:49:09 ◼   ► see it if I have my contact lenses in. I can see it, but I can't read how high it goes

00:49:15 ◼   ► because I could just tell that there's a little rectangle there.

00:49:20 ◼   ► Tim Cynova You sure it's not your detached retina?

00:49:23 ◼   ► Dave Asprey No, it's not. Even if I close my bad eye,

00:49:27 ◼   ► I just can't make it out if I have my contacts in. If I have my glasses on, I can take my

00:49:31 ◼   ► glasses off and then I can see that close but it's just way too small.

00:49:37 ◼   ► What's the indicator on your Plantronics? How does it get to suggest how much

00:49:41 ◼   ► battery is left? When you turn it, when you power it on, when you put them on and

00:49:45 ◼   ► power them on it tells you it talks. Oh, like with a voice? Yeah. Well, what

00:49:52 ◼   ► does it say? Battery full. I think it just says connected or headphones

00:49:59 ◼   ► connected and then the beat refold that says think it's just something else but

00:50:05 ◼   ► camera what it is the beats just play a tone but the tone definitely doesn't

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00:53:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:49 ◼   ► And I sound better when I'm laying flat on my back.

00:53:51 ◼   ► Helps the diaphragm.

00:53:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:56 ◼   ► What's the other-- there's another rumor

00:54:02 ◼   ► that came out today, and it doesn't make any sense.

00:54:06 ◼   ► It doesn't make any sense at all to me.

00:54:08 ◼   ► So I didn't even know how to write about it.

00:54:09 ◼   ► I thought, you know what?

00:54:10 ◼   ► If it doesn't make any sense, it's better for the podcast.

00:54:14 ◼   ► I say that, but I really mean that.

00:54:16 ◼   ► I actually mean that.

00:54:17 ◼   ► I find that having a podcast in addition to a blog,

00:54:21 ◼   ► the best stuff to talk about on the podcast

00:54:24 ◼   ► is the stuff that doesn't make any sense to me.

00:54:27 ◼   ► And this is a story--

00:54:28 ◼   ► MacRumors picked it up.

00:54:30 ◼   ► This is about the-- do you see this with somebody--

00:54:34 ◼   ► I don't know who the source is here.

00:54:35 ◼   ► But somebody is saying that Apple

00:54:37 ◼   ► is working on next generation iPad, MacBook Airs, 13 inch and 15 inch. That'll be coming

00:54:48 ◼   ► out.

00:54:49 ◼   ► 13 inch and 15 inch?

00:54:52 ◼   ► I'll send you the link right now, but I'll read it to you. This is information from Taiwan's

00:55:01 ◼   ► economic daily news

00:55:05 ◼   ► and what they say

00:55:10 ◼   ► is

00:55:12 ◼   ► apple may be preparing to introduce a revamped macbook air at next year's

00:55:15 ◼   ► worldwide developers conference according to taiwan's economic daily

00:55:18 ◼   ► news

00:55:19 ◼   ► nail a little google translate link to the original if apple holds true to

00:55:22 ◼   ► recent history would be that would be in june

00:55:25 ◼   ► blah blah blah

00:55:27 ◼   ► uh...

00:55:30 ◼   ► unclear whether an 11-inch model will also be included. I went to the Google

00:55:35 ◼   ► Translate thing and it did seem like that's what the original article which

00:55:38 ◼   ► was written in Chinese

00:55:39 ◼   ► you know said that it did definitely mention the 11-inch and you know

00:55:43 ◼   ► trying to read between the lines of the

00:55:46 ◼   ► you know the Google Translate English

00:55:49 ◼   ► it seemed like they're saying that it might happen or might not.

00:55:53 ◼   ► But they're saying 13-inch and 15-inch sizes. No

00:55:56 ◼   ► no other stuff about the specs or anything like that,

00:55:59 ◼   ► no news about whether they're retina or not.

00:56:01 ◼   ► This whole thing makes no sense to me whatsoever.

00:56:05 ◼   ► - No, no, it makes no sense to me either.

00:56:08 ◼   ► - Because to me, starting even just with the naming

00:56:12 ◼   ► of the MacBook, the one that only has one USB-C port

00:56:17 ◼   ► that's for charging and connecting peripherals,

00:56:20 ◼   ► which by the way, might be a hint as to how much Apple cares

00:56:25 ◼   ► about you having to use some kind of y splitting dongle

00:56:28 ◼   ► if you need to charge and listen to something

00:56:30 ◼   ► at the same time.

00:56:30 ◼   ► But anyway, the name of it,

00:56:34 ◼   ► the fact that it is thinner and lighter than a MacBook Air,

00:56:37 ◼   ► but they just called it the MacBook,

00:56:39 ◼   ► certainly suggests to me that the MacBook Air

00:56:42 ◼   ► is only hanging around because it can be sold cheaper

00:56:46 ◼   ► than the MacBook.

00:56:47 ◼   ► And as the price of making a MacBook drops,

00:56:50 ◼   ► eventually the MacBook Airs are gonna go away.

00:56:53 ◼   ► It doesn't make any sense to me

00:56:54 ◼   ► that they would do a next generation one.

00:56:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:56:56 ◼   ► It's very strange.

00:56:59 ◼   ► And different sizes.

00:57:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, the only thing that would make sense to me

00:57:04 ◼   ► would be if, here's the only way

00:57:07 ◼   ► that this story makes sense to me,

00:57:08 ◼   ► is if they're not talking about MacBook Airs,

00:57:11 ◼   ► but instead the devices they're talking about

00:57:13 ◼   ► are in fact next generation MacBook Pros.

00:57:16 ◼   ► 'Cause then 13 and 15 inch are the two sizes.

00:57:21 ◼   ► And compared to the MacBook, the current MacBook Pros

00:57:27 ◼   ► are rather thick.

00:57:30 ◼   ► And it seems like Apple sort of prefers, aesthetically,

00:57:34 ◼   ► the teardrop profile for laptops,

00:57:37 ◼   ► and that the MacBook Pros, the Retina MacBook Pros in both

00:57:40 ◼   ► sizes, have the symmetric rectangular sort of profile,

00:57:45 ◼   ► simply because that's the best that they could do at the time

00:57:47 ◼   ► to get all the components in to drive the retina screen.

00:57:51 ◼   ► So my guess would be if there's any truth to this story,

00:57:54 ◼   ► it would be, this would be my guess,

00:57:55 ◼   ► is that new MacBook Pros are coming next year

00:57:58 ◼   ► and they might go back to,

00:58:00 ◼   ► they might go to like an Air style teardrop profile.

00:58:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, 'cause if you go through that

00:58:08 ◼   ► and replace Air with Pro, it makes a lot more sense.

00:58:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I just think marketing-wise,

00:58:13 ◼   ► I feel like the current situation

00:58:15 ◼   ► where they've got three types of MacBook,

00:58:20 ◼   ► even if you just count the pros and the

00:58:24 ◼   ► heirs as the same but which size do you want which I think is fair

00:58:28 ◼   ► I don't think people are confused by whether they want to 11 in jail 13 in

00:58:32 ◼   ► chair

00:58:32 ◼   ► or 13 in chair 15 and are fifth 13 inch pro 15 inch pro

00:58:37 ◼   ► I I still think though that having to choose

00:58:43 ◼   ► that that the the mac book existing alongside the air is just a little bit

00:58:46 ◼   ► confusing

00:58:47 ◼   ► And I know that there's a, well, do you want a retina screen or, you know,

00:58:51 ◼   ► do you want to have the super thin, even more portable size?

00:58:54 ◼   ► But it just seems to me like it's all about what price points they can hit.

00:58:58 ◼   ► And right now they can't hit that eight 99 starting price with this Mac book.

00:59:02 ◼   ► And so the air lives on until it, you know, yeah, until it can.

00:59:07 ◼   ► Is the, is the retina screen itself that, I mean, is that the price difference?

00:59:14 ◼   ► I mean, is that component

00:59:16 ◼   ► that expensive I guess?

00:59:19 ◼   ► I think so combined with having a graphics card that can drive it

00:59:24 ◼   ► because it has to go, you know, it has to really, you know, from a graphics card

00:59:27 ◼   ► perspective it really is more of a 4x

00:59:30 ◼   ► difference in performance than a 2x. It's really the

00:59:33 ◼   ► total number of pixels not just how many pixels are in

00:59:36 ◼   ► an inch in one dimension. I really do think it's

00:59:41 ◼   ► you know definitely, definitely expensive. It doesn't seem like they would

00:59:44 ◼   ► discontinue the pro and rename it the air.

00:59:48 ◼   ► - No, that doesn't make any sense.

00:59:51 ◼   ► - That's another logical possibility going through this,

00:59:54 ◼   ► but that seems unlikely to me.

00:59:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, because you can quibble about some of Apple's

01:00:00 ◼   ► product naming strategies,

01:00:02 ◼   ► and whether they make sense or not,

01:00:05 ◼   ► like the way that the third generation iPad

01:00:08 ◼   ► just became the iPad, not the iPad 3, right?

01:00:13 ◼   ► Wasn't that when they did that?

01:00:14 ◼   ► There was like the iPad, iPad 2, and then iPad.

01:00:18 ◼   ► - I think right now we have iPad Mini 2

01:00:23 ◼   ► and iPad Mini 4, right?

01:00:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, something like that.

01:00:27 ◼   ► - There's no iPad Mini 3 on sale.

01:00:31 ◼   ► - Right.

01:00:31 ◼   ► So like when they decide to just number stuff

01:00:36 ◼   ► versus, you know, like, and you know, there's it,

01:00:40 ◼   ► the whole thing is a little, I don't know, messy, right?

01:00:44 ◼   ► iPads just get a number that increments,

01:00:46 ◼   ► even if the form factor stays the same,

01:00:48 ◼   ► but the iPhone gets this S every other year.

01:00:53 ◼   ► But nothing makes like,

01:00:55 ◼   ► nothing goes contrary to common sense,

01:00:58 ◼   ► which is what it would be if the iPad,

01:01:02 ◼   ► or if the MacBook Pro got renamed the MacBook Air.

01:01:05 ◼   ► It's just that that doesn't make any sense,

01:01:08 ◼   ► 'cause it would be heavier than the regular MacBook.

01:01:13 ◼   ► Pro to me says this is more powerful and therefore it's a little heavier.

01:01:19 ◼   ► Whereas Air says this is lighter.

01:01:22 ◼   ► It also makes sense to me because something like what they intend to call it in marketing

01:01:28 ◼   ► is exactly the sort of thing that whatever the sources in Taiwan who told them this would

01:01:32 ◼   ► have no access to whatsoever.

01:01:36 ◼   ► Because that's just the sort of thing that really doesn't leak out of Cupertino because

01:01:41 ◼   ► there's no reason for it.

01:01:42 ◼   ► They just know the code name for it.

01:01:46 ◼   ► Like the companies in Asia just know something,

01:01:49 ◼   ► it's called like N68 or something like that.

01:01:52 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:01:53 ◼   ► So what's the current, so the current difference

01:01:57 ◼   ► between the Air and the Pro is mostly,

01:02:00 ◼   ► is the retina display and--

01:02:04 ◼   ► - It's actually very complicated.

01:02:05 ◼   ► It's a really, like if you just had to buy one

01:02:08 ◼   ► right now today, it's to me a very complicated decision.

01:02:11 ◼   ► So aesthetically, the retina screen

01:02:14 ◼   ► is the biggest difference.

01:02:15 ◼   ► And so if you really want a retina screen,

01:02:16 ◼   ► then you're gonna get the regular MacBook.

01:02:18 ◼   ► But the Air, even though it's cheaper, is faster.

01:02:22 ◼   ► It has higher performance.

01:02:23 ◼   ► - Huh, I wasn't aware of that.

01:02:29 ◼   ► I guess 'cause I've never looked at,

01:02:30 ◼   ► I haven't looked at a MacBook Pro

01:02:32 ◼   ► in the interest of buying one in years.

01:02:36 ◼   ► - Right.

01:02:38 ◼   ► 'cause I'm all like, I'm, you know,

01:02:40 ◼   ► I've been on the air for a while now, so.

01:02:43 ◼   ► And I actually have recently been thinking,

01:02:45 ◼   ► ah, that's great, I've got, mine has been,

01:02:47 ◼   ► is from 2012, so I'm kind of thinking,

01:02:49 ◼   ► it's gonna be time to upgrade soon.

01:02:53 ◼   ► This seems like kind of a bad time to do it.

01:02:56 ◼   ► - I think it probably is,

01:02:57 ◼   ► because I really don't think you wanna buy,

01:02:59 ◼   ► you don't wanna buy another MacBook Air

01:03:02 ◼   ► without a retina screen.

01:03:03 ◼   ► - Right. - Whatever the performance

01:03:04 ◼   ► games would be, and they're, you know,

01:03:06 ◼   ► three years is pretty significant,

01:03:07 ◼   ► but I think you could probably get by until they,

01:03:12 ◼   ► at least until you see what they come out with next year.

01:03:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I don't, yeah, right,

01:03:17 ◼   ► 'cause I don't wanna get a pro,

01:03:19 ◼   ► and I feel like I somehow just have this feeling

01:03:22 ◼   ► that the upgrade in next year's MacBook

01:03:26 ◼   ► is gonna be significant.

01:03:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, you mean the just plain MacBook with no modifier.

01:03:31 ◼   ► Right, and I just feel, I don't know, I know nothing.

01:03:34 ◼   ► I don't have any information about,

01:03:37 ◼   ► Well, I just know nothing in general,

01:03:38 ◼   ► but I know nothing about Apple's product plans.

01:03:41 ◼   ► I don't ask people to stuff like that anymore.

01:03:45 ◼   ► But just common sense-wise, I'm almost certain

01:03:49 ◼   ► that there'd be a new MacBook next year.

01:03:50 ◼   ► And it's probably going to be a pretty significant upgrade

01:03:53 ◼   ► over last year's, because A, last year's

01:03:55 ◼   ► had a lot of very obvious flaws.

01:03:57 ◼   ► So there's low-hanging fruit of how they can make it better.

01:04:00 ◼   ► And B, it's the first generation of anything

01:04:05 ◼   ► that Apple is almost certainly to be able to improve it

01:04:07 ◼   ► one year over another.

01:04:09 ◼   ► It's only when products have been around

01:04:11 ◼   ► for three or four revolutions

01:04:13 ◼   ► where they might let it sit for 18 months between an update.

01:04:19 ◼   ► Because they've gotten so good at doing blank

01:04:23 ◼   ► that this is good enough,

01:04:25 ◼   ► this is actually gonna be able to be appealing to customers

01:04:30 ◼   ► for 18 months or even closer to two years.

01:04:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:33 ◼   ► So I don't know.

01:04:37 ◼   ► I think if they could make the MacBook better next year

01:04:44 ◼   ► and then maybe keep the same one that they started

01:04:47 ◼   ► selling last year but drop the price significantly,

01:04:51 ◼   ► introduce a new one that's better,

01:04:53 ◼   ► keep this one around at a lower price point.

01:04:58 ◼   ► Get rid of the error.

01:04:59 ◼   ► Yeah, maybe they could get rid of the error.

01:05:00 ◼   ► - And especially too, maybe if they could,

01:05:03 ◼   ► if they can make the pros thinner,

01:05:07 ◼   ► or in teardrops to some degree.

01:05:09 ◼   ► - And improve the performance of it.

01:05:12 ◼   ► - Right.

01:05:13 ◼   ► Maybe like the 13 inch,

01:05:16 ◼   ► or maybe the 11 inch air stays around

01:05:20 ◼   ► just to hit that 8.99 price point,

01:05:22 ◼   ► whatever it is that it starts at today.

01:05:23 ◼   ► - Well yeah, it seems like the kind of thing that,

01:05:24 ◼   ► right, it would be, you know,

01:05:26 ◼   ► what we always call like the educational option,

01:05:30 ◼   ► whatever the cheap thing is.

01:05:33 ◼   ► Something that you really have to go into the store

01:05:36 ◼   ► and ask to see.

01:05:37 ◼   ► The starting price is for the MacBook Air right now.

01:05:43 ◼   ► 11 inch starts at $899 and 13 inch starts at $999.

01:05:47 ◼   ► So who knows if the MacBook could drop that much year

01:05:51 ◼   ► over year.

01:05:52 ◼   ► But maybe it could get close.

01:05:55 ◼   ► What's it start at now, $1299?

01:05:58 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:06:00 ◼   ► - I just loaded the page, but I had to wait

01:06:02 ◼   ► for Apple's excellent animation to load

01:06:07 ◼   ► before I could find it.

01:06:08 ◼   ► 1299, so yeah, I really doubt that it's gonna go

01:06:15 ◼   ► from 1299 to 899 in a year.

01:06:17 ◼   ► So I guess the error gets another year.

01:06:20 ◼   ► - No, there's no way it's gonna go that low.

01:06:22 ◼   ► But they haven't always been that low.

01:06:24 ◼   ► - Right, but I think they could set it up in a way

01:06:27 ◼   ► where they don't emphasize it that much in the way

01:06:29 ◼   ► that they don't really emphasize very much the free iPhone 5S.

01:06:37 ◼   ► That they give a lot of publicity to the new ones, the MacBook

01:06:41 ◼   ► and the MacBook Pro.

01:06:43 ◼   ► And then there's the MacBook Air in the back.

01:06:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:06:46 ◼   ► But for a long time, they started at--

01:06:48 ◼   ► I mean, they started at $999.

01:06:52 ◼   ► And there may have been even a point where they started at $1,100,

01:06:55 ◼   ► the laptops.

01:06:56 ◼   ► Oh, definitely.

01:06:57 ◼   ► I mean, they used to cost $5,000.

01:06:59 ◼   ► - Well, yeah, I mean, I don't mean that long ago, but.

01:07:02 ◼   ► And it almost seems like, I don't think they'd be

01:07:06 ◼   ► too adverse to going back to 9.99

01:07:08 ◼   ► when they have the iPad Pro sitting in the middle.

01:07:13 ◼   ► - Right, that's an interesting point

01:07:14 ◼   ► that maybe they could get away with actually raising--

01:07:17 ◼   ► - Somebody comes in, they only wanna spend X amount,

01:07:20 ◼   ► and they say, "Well, how about this?"

01:07:23 ◼   ► - Right.

01:07:23 ◼   ► 'Cause, you know, let's face it,

01:07:25 ◼   ► their heart isn't really in the lowest possibly priced

01:07:31 ◼   ► products on the internet.

01:07:32 ◼   ► That's for sure.

01:07:33 ◼   ► Although, I mean, I would say that the MacBook Air of all

01:07:40 ◼   ► of them, of all the lowest priced ones,

01:07:44 ◼   ► is probably not such a bad machine.

01:07:48 ◼   ► No, it's not a bad machine.

01:07:49 ◼   ► I just think, though, that being non-retina--

01:07:54 ◼   ► - You know, it gets back to the whole argument

01:07:55 ◼   ► that we had many times about,

01:07:58 ◼   ► hey, what should Apple do with the next generation iPhone?

01:08:01 ◼   ► Should they keep the same thickness?

01:08:03 ◼   ► It's already so nice and thin,

01:08:05 ◼   ► and just miniaturize everything and put more battery in

01:08:08 ◼   ► and extend battery life,

01:08:09 ◼   ► or should they make the device ever thinner?

01:08:12 ◼   ► And Apple tends to lean towards making it thinner,

01:08:14 ◼   ► and lots of people wish that they would

01:08:16 ◼   ► just make the battery life better.

01:08:17 ◼   ► That's exactly, I mean, bottom line,

01:08:19 ◼   ► putting the argument about just one USB port aside,

01:08:22 ◼   ► I think that's ultimately the biggest complaint

01:08:26 ◼   ► people have about the MacBook,

01:08:27 ◼   ► is that the Air was thin enough

01:08:29 ◼   ► and that they should have just kept

01:08:31 ◼   ► making battery life better.

01:08:32 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:08:34 ◼   ► Wow, really?

01:08:36 ◼   ► People still complain about the MacBook Air battery life?

01:08:39 ◼   ► It's pretty good now, isn't it?

01:08:40 ◼   ► - Well, it is pretty good, I guess.

01:08:41 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:08:42 ◼   ► - But that they, you know, or that they could have--

01:08:44 ◼   ► - As someone who does not have a current one, I would--

01:08:46 ◼   ► - Well, and maybe with the performance and stuff too.

01:08:48 ◼   ► - People don't know how good you have it.

01:08:49 ◼   ► - Maybe it's not even battery life,

01:08:51 ◼   ► but maybe it comes down to things like performance

01:08:52 ◼   ► that they wouldn't have had to go with this low power core M

01:08:55 ◼   ► CPU, they could have had to just keep making,

01:08:59 ◼   ► just keep that form factor and just switch

01:09:02 ◼   ► to a retina display and keep making the performance better.

01:09:06 ◼   ► I mean, more or less, I think that what people wanted

01:09:08 ◼   ► was for them to do a retina MacBook Air.

01:09:12 ◼   ► And it looks, I think it looks like they're never

01:09:14 ◼   ► gonna do it this--

01:09:15 ◼   ► - No, I wouldn't think so either.

01:09:16 ◼   ► - This rumor we're talking about aside, I just don't see it.

01:09:19 ◼   ► - No.

01:09:20 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I agree.

01:09:21 ◼   ► I think this is the pro, not the air.

01:09:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, it didn't say anything about colors.

01:09:28 ◼   ► It'd be interesting to know whether the pro

01:09:29 ◼   ► is gonna go with color options for charcoal.

01:09:33 ◼   ► What do they call it?

01:09:34 ◼   ► No, not charcoal, space gray.

01:09:35 ◼   ► - Space gray, yeah.

01:09:37 ◼   ► - I would love to have a space gray one.

01:09:39 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:09:41 ◼   ► - I don't want, I don't covet the MacBook at all

01:09:43 ◼   ► because it's, I want more RAM

01:09:46 ◼   ► and I like having a MacBook Pro.

01:09:47 ◼   ► But I do covet the way that it looks.

01:09:50 ◼   ► I love the Space Gray.

01:09:51 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:09:54 ◼   ► Although it starts with eight gigs of RAM.

01:09:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, I have whatever the most is.

01:10:02 ◼   ► I think it's 16.

01:10:03 ◼   ► - You got it, okay.

01:10:05 ◼   ► - I have a lot of tabs.

01:10:06 ◼   ► It's all browser tabs.

01:10:10 ◼   ► - Must be nice.

01:10:11 ◼   ► - Let's take a break and then we talk--

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01:12:48 ◼   ► What else you got to talk about?

01:12:53 ◼   ► What else is going on this week?

01:12:54 ◼   ► Maybe I should have something to talk about.

01:12:58 ◼   ► - You should, well, do you wanna talk about,

01:13:00 ◼   ► you wanna talk about, well,

01:13:02 ◼   ► you wanna talk about Star Wars at all?

01:13:03 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:13:04 ◼   ► - No.

01:13:05 ◼   ► - No, okay.

01:13:06 ◼   ► I know you don't wanna talk about--

01:13:08 ◼   ► - I don't wanna talk about spoilers.

01:13:09 ◼   ► Yeah, I know you don't want to talk about spoilers.

01:13:11 ◼   ► All right, so if we can do it without talking spoilers,

01:13:13 ◼   ► then I will definitely talk about it.

01:13:15 ◼   ► Well, OK, so do you have tickets?

01:13:18 ◼   ► I do.

01:13:19 ◼   ► Oh, definitely.

01:13:20 ◼   ► And this is one where I really care,

01:13:23 ◼   ► and Amy is sort of vaguely interested, but not like me.

01:13:30 ◼   ► And I didn't know you had to pre-order.

01:13:32 ◼   ► I'm the dad who no longer understands

01:13:34 ◼   ► how movies, theatrical movies, work.

01:13:38 ◼   ► I remember when I was young and my dad found out that movies were $5 for a kid's ticket

01:13:44 ◼   ► and he couldn't believe it.

01:13:45 ◼   ► He just absolutely couldn't believe that it cost $5 to go to a movie.

01:13:50 ◼   ► I'm like that now both with prices like when Jonas and I went to see Spectre and I didn't

01:13:58 ◼   ► know about this online ordering.

01:14:00 ◼   ► It doesn't make any sense to me.

01:14:01 ◼   ► It seems to me like if you want to go see – I just assumed that if you want to go

01:14:04 ◼   ► go see Star Wars on opening weekend, you got to go, you got to drive somewhere and then

01:14:08 ◼   ► you get out and you go wait in a big long line with lots of people. And after you wait

01:14:13 ◼   ► in line, you go see the movie. But it turns out what you need to do is buy your tickets

01:14:16 ◼   ► in advance. I didn't know this. Amy did and really sort of saved my bacon.

01:14:21 ◼   ► So are you, wait, are you saying you cannot buy tickets at the, no, you can't. But I think

01:14:25 ◼   ► for opening weekend because yeah, because you'll never get in. Yeah, I don't. I think

01:14:29 ◼   ► you'll never get in unless they open,

01:14:32 ◼   ► unless they surprise people by having more screenings of it

01:14:36 ◼   ► than they're publicizing in advance.

01:14:38 ◼   ► - Which they might do,

01:14:40 ◼   ► 'cause that seems like that would be, I mean,

01:14:43 ◼   ► yeah, train.

01:14:45 ◼   ► - Although they might pre-sell,

01:14:47 ◼   ► maybe you have to figure out the second pre-sale date

01:14:49 ◼   ► to get in on those.

01:14:50 ◼   ► I mean, it seems as though,

01:14:53 ◼   ► it seems like it might, before it even happens,

01:14:56 ◼   ► that it might become the biggest box office

01:14:59 ◼   ► - Yeah. - opening weekend ever.

01:15:00 ◼   ► - I think it's gonna be huge.

01:15:02 ◼   ► It's gonna be.

01:15:03 ◼   ► So I think I'm out. (laughs)

01:15:06 ◼   ► - Oh, 'cause you don't have tickets.

01:15:07 ◼   ► - 'Cause I don't have tickets.

01:15:08 ◼   ► I don't have tickets yet.

01:15:09 ◼   ► Well, so,

01:15:10 ◼   ► my son doesn't like going to the movies that much.

01:15:15 ◼   ► He doesn't like going out to the movies that much.

01:15:18 ◼   ► And so I approached him with the idea of going to that.

01:15:21 ◼   ► And he, at first he was going,

01:15:22 ◼   ► "Yeah, you know, da, da, da, da."

01:15:24 ◼   ► And then when I showed him the trailer,

01:15:27 ◼   ► he was a little more interested.

01:15:28 ◼   ► So I still haven't gotten like a firm commitment

01:15:32 ◼   ► and I'm not exactly sure when we would schedule this event.

01:15:36 ◼   ► So I feel like rushing out and buying tickets

01:15:40 ◼   ► is like I'm not on an even footing yet.

01:15:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, I wonder if there's like a StubHub aftermarket forum

01:15:45 ◼   ► like sporting events.

01:15:46 ◼   ► Like it seems crazy, but I mean,

01:15:49 ◼   ► it's absolutely insane how hard it was.

01:15:52 ◼   ► And it was one of those things where I did it

01:15:53 ◼   ► the first night that they went on sale at the right time.

01:15:56 ◼   ► And really, I must say,

01:15:58 ◼   ► only because my wife was like,

01:15:59 ◼   ► "Are you gonna buy Star Wars tickets?"

01:16:00 ◼   ► And I'm like, "What are you talking about?"

01:16:01 ◼   ► And she explained to me and I immediately ran to,

01:16:04 ◼   ► I think it's Fandango.

01:16:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah. - It's a funny thing to say.

01:16:08 ◼   ► And it was like buying an Apple product

01:16:11 ◼   ► when they first go on sale,

01:16:12 ◼   ► like their website was going down.

01:16:14 ◼   ► It was saying ridiculous things like--

01:16:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, that was the other thing,

01:16:19 ◼   ► like I couldn't actually get on Fandango.

01:16:22 ◼   ► - It was saying things like that the movie theater

01:16:25 ◼   ► didn't have any tickets available for a certain show.

01:16:28 ◼   ► And two minutes after they went on sale,

01:16:30 ◼   ► I was like, that can't be.

01:16:31 ◼   ► It can't be that they've sold out in two minutes.

01:16:33 ◼   ► And in fact, it wasn't, but it was like

01:16:35 ◼   ► their back end was just completely blown apart.

01:16:39 ◼   ► And then the worst of all any kind of thing like this

01:16:42 ◼   ► when you're in like a mad rush to buy tickets

01:16:44 ◼   ► is when you get through, you get the tickets you want,

01:16:48 ◼   ► and you're going through the process

01:16:51 ◼   ► of like signing into Fandango,

01:16:53 ◼   ► and then it just says like, an error occurred.

01:16:56 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:16:58 ◼   ► And you're like, do I have tickets

01:16:59 ◼   ► or do I not have tickets?

01:17:01 ◼   ► And you don't know.

01:17:02 ◼   ► And it's hard to even check if you have tickets

01:17:04 ◼   ► because their website is down.

01:17:05 ◼   ► And then you go and find out that no,

01:17:07 ◼   ► you don't have tickets yet.

01:17:08 ◼   ► It was stressful.

01:17:10 ◼   ► But I do, I have tickets for,

01:17:12 ◼   ► I think it's a 10 o'clock showing on Thursday,

01:17:17 ◼   ► the night before it opens.

01:17:19 ◼   ► - Before, yeah.

01:17:20 ◼   ► - And I've already been told that I will be responsible

01:17:24 ◼   ► for taking Jonah's school.

01:17:26 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:17:29 ◼   ► - Congratulations.

01:17:30 ◼   ► You're getting up early.

01:17:33 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:17:34 ◼   ► - You're staying up late and getting up early.

01:17:35 ◼   ► - And then I got, I think I have Saturday afternoon

01:17:37 ◼   ► matinee tickets at a, it seems like a better theater,

01:17:40 ◼   ► like a place with reserved seating.

01:17:42 ◼   ► - Oh, so you have two sets of tickets?

01:17:46 ◼   ► - I have two sets of tickets.

01:17:47 ◼   ► I have Thursday night and then Saturday matinee.

01:17:50 ◼   ► - I was trying to find it.

01:17:54 ◼   ► I was gonna show you one of the things that,

01:17:55 ◼   ► you know, when Fandango was going down,

01:17:58 ◼   ► were they, one of the images that,

01:17:59 ◼   ► which you may have seen or may not have seen,

01:18:01 ◼   ► but one of the images that they showed

01:18:02 ◼   ► was Han and Chewie working on the Millennium Falcon.

01:18:05 ◼   ► So it's like, you know, something's gone wrong,

01:18:11 ◼   ► and it's like, you know, Han's got the goggles on,

01:18:14 ◼   ► and they're like welding the Millennium Falcon

01:18:17 ◼   ► from like, Empire Strikes Back.

01:18:20 ◼   ► - That's actually pretty funny.

01:18:21 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:18:22 ◼   ► Nicely done.

01:18:24 ◼   ► You know, that's one of those things I have to rewatch.

01:18:26 ◼   ► I have not rewatched those films in a while,

01:18:29 ◼   ► at least ever since it was announced that,

01:18:33 ◼   ► hey, Disney's buying Star Wars

01:18:36 ◼   ► and we're gonna reboot the franchise,

01:18:38 ◼   ► or not reboot, but, which I think would be terrible.

01:18:41 ◼   ► That would be like, reboot would be like,

01:18:43 ◼   ► we're gonna recast Han Solo.

01:18:44 ◼   ► No, that'd be awful.

01:18:47 ◼   ► But relaunch it.

01:18:48 ◼   ► We're doing the trilogy that everybody always wanted

01:18:52 ◼   ► to take place after you know the one that you loved.

01:18:55 ◼   ► I immediately just stopped watching all of them

01:18:59 ◼   ► and I thought I'll just you know,

01:19:01 ◼   ► I'll wait and then whenever this movie actually comes out,

01:19:04 ◼   ► you know we'll have like a little family movie weekend

01:19:06 ◼   ► then we'll watch all the old ones.

01:19:07 ◼   ► So I'm excited to do that.

01:19:11 ◼   ► - Including the prequels?

01:19:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think you have to include them.

01:19:15 ◼   ► - God.

01:19:16 ◼   ► - I don't know. - It's so hard.

01:19:18 ◼   ► - You know that's an interesting thing.

01:19:20 ◼   ► I've said this before on the show where it's,

01:19:22 ◼   ► I've noticed, and Jonas has been watching him

01:19:25 ◼   ► since he was ridiculously young.

01:19:28 ◼   ► He's never been a kid who's,

01:19:32 ◼   ► he's sort of a very gentle kid in real life.

01:19:34 ◼   ► He is not like a, get Rammy and Roughhouse sort of kid.

01:19:40 ◼   ► And so he, like dealing with like a violent action movie,

01:19:45 ◼   ► if you, even considering Star Wars is sort of violent,

01:19:48 ◼   ► has never caused him to like act up in ways.

01:19:51 ◼   ► And it's never you know he was afraid of the rank or and oh and he didn't like watching the Wampa

01:19:55 ◼   ► He'd run out of the room for that one every time yeah

01:19:57 ◼   ► But he you know but he could handle that sort of thing too like you like so if they're like he didn't want to see

01:20:02 ◼   ► the Wampa

01:20:04 ◼   ► But it wouldn't like keep him up at night or make him cry all it did is when he watched Empire Strikes Back

01:20:09 ◼   ► He would just he knew when it was coming and he just ran out of the room

01:20:12 ◼   ► And then he just sort of wait until he could hear that it was over and then he'd run back in yeah

01:20:18 ◼   ► And he was fine. So we let him watch him early. The thing I noticed was that

01:20:21 ◼   ► They all blurred together for him as a kid and maybe you know, I'm sure somewhere if he's listening Syracuse is

01:20:28 ◼   ► Really angry at me that I didn't really strategize this aspect of my father that I just let him watch what he wanted to

01:20:36 ◼   ► But my theory on that was that I just can't see if if you've got

01:20:40 ◼   ► Unlimited access to Star Wars movies that you can watch in your home on a nice TV

01:20:45 ◼   ► I just couldn't bring myself to not let him do it.

01:20:49 ◼   ► Like, it would have driven me nuts to, when I was a kid, if I could have had all the Star Wars you could eat,

01:20:55 ◼   ► to not be able to do it. So I let him do it and it blurred together.

01:21:00 ◼   ► And I noticed when he'd play with his friends early, like kindergarten and first grade,

01:21:04 ◼   ► A, it impressed me and I really enjoyed the fact that he and his friends were really into Star Wars,

01:21:12 ◼   ► Not quite to the way that you and I were back in the day

01:21:15 ◼   ► You know the way that really Star Wars was everything to me everything and yeah, and you know

01:21:23 ◼   ► 77 through 83 or so

01:21:25 ◼   ► It was the only thing that mattered

01:21:28 ◼   ► It's not quite like that, but they were you know it was more than just you know well this week

01:21:33 ◼   ► They're in the Star Wars and the next week. They were into something else

01:21:36 ◼   ► They were really into Star Wars for all but it all blurred together for them like they just didn't see to

01:21:41 ◼   ► Two trilogies where one was better than another they just see it saw them all and I found that very odd

01:21:48 ◼   ► Yeah, that is interesting

01:21:51 ◼   ► Hank has never seen the earth the prequels. See you're just like Syracuse. Oh, you're probably a better

01:21:56 ◼   ► Well, I started out like that. I started out like no he's not gonna he's not gonna see him

01:22:02 ◼   ► and then you know we got through the

01:22:05 ◼   ► You know, he's so he's seen all the

01:22:09 ◼   ► original movies a few times. Not relentlessly like I have, but he's seen

01:22:14 ◼   ► them a few times and then he got really into the Clone Wars, the animated show.

01:22:19 ◼   ► He was, and for him that's really his Star Wars, I think. But how do you really

01:22:24 ◼   ► like that a lot? So why would you let him watch the the Clone Wars but not watch

01:22:27 ◼   ► the prequels? I think the Clone Wars animated show is better than the

01:22:32 ◼   ► prequels. In many ways I agree, but I feel like they're of a piece because

01:22:38 ◼   ► it's clearly in terms of the timing you know it's it's entirely within the realm

01:22:43 ◼   ► of you know Anakin and Obi-Wan you know being the buddy cops yeah but so as well

01:22:53 ◼   ► so when Clone Wars ended I thought okay well maybe now in this lull is the time

01:23:00 ◼   ► to watch the prequels and I got what I got like a fan at it I thought if I'm

01:23:06 ◼   ► I'm gonna do this.

01:23:08 ◼   ► I'm at least gonna cut out as much Jar Jar

01:23:10 ◼   ► as I possibly can.

01:23:12 ◼   ► And so I offered, I said, okay, we can watch the,

01:23:15 ◼   ► and he said, nah, I'm okay.

01:23:17 ◼   ► - You realize that this is a lot like,

01:23:20 ◼   ► it's a lot like a religious cult.

01:23:23 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:23:26 ◼   ► Right, like where you're raising your son

01:23:31 ◼   ► to not believe in Jar Jar.

01:23:33 ◼   ► - That's right.

01:23:34 ◼   ► Well, I don't think I'm wrong.

01:23:36 ◼   ► No jury in the world would convict me.

01:23:38 ◼   ► Right, but imagine how this could play out, though,

01:23:41 ◼   ► over the decades, where let's say he does agree

01:23:43 ◼   ► to watch with you.

01:23:44 ◼   ► And you guys watch The Phantom Menace,

01:23:48 ◼   ► but you watch your fan edit cut.

01:23:52 ◼   ► And I'm not doubting that that fan edit cut is probably

01:23:54 ◼   ► a better picture.

01:23:56 ◼   ► And it might be a really great experience

01:23:58 ◼   ► if you've never seen the Lucas cut.

01:24:01 ◼   ► But then imagine like 30 years from now--

01:24:04 ◼   ► He sees the Lucas cut.

01:24:05 ◼   ► And he's talking to somebody of similar age.

01:24:08 ◼   ► And they're like, remember that Jar Jar.

01:24:10 ◼   ► And he's like, what the hell are you talking about?

01:24:12 ◼   ► - He's only in it for like five minutes.

01:24:14 ◼   ► Why are you railing it?

01:24:15 ◼   ► Why are you railing it?

01:24:15 ◼   ► It's Jar Jar.

01:24:16 ◼   ► He's like in the background and he's not even doing anything.

01:24:21 ◼   ► Cut out all of his ridiculous antics.

01:24:25 ◼   ► - I saw him.

01:24:27 ◼   ► - But so he didn't want us, he didn't want us.

01:24:30 ◼   ► He was kind of done.

01:24:32 ◼   ► And then since like, as I thought,

01:24:34 ◼   ► oh well after the rebels thing,

01:24:36 ◼   ► the guy was like oh he likes the animated stuff,

01:24:39 ◼   ► maybe he'll watch Rebels and now he's like no, no.

01:24:42 ◼   ► It's like he's moved, it's like he's moved on.

01:24:44 ◼   ► But he might be, he might be coming around

01:24:49 ◼   ► to the movie though, so I'm hoping that's gonna happen.

01:24:52 ◼   ► - Yeah, maybe Disney might solve this problem for you,

01:24:55 ◼   ► but they'll just bombard him with the marketing and--

01:24:58 ◼   ► - That's right, yeah, and other kids at school too.

01:25:02 ◼   ► - Right, exactly.

01:25:03 ◼   ► I think that might happen as well.

01:25:04 ◼   ► - But also largely partly due to Disney.

01:25:07 ◼   ► I feel like Disney knows how to...

01:25:09 ◼   ► Like it's a good thing Disney doesn't try to sell cigarettes.

01:25:13 ◼   ► - Yeah, he was in, yeah really,

01:25:16 ◼   ► he was in the hospital for a few days and he's fine now.

01:25:20 ◼   ► But when he was, well he was sick,

01:25:23 ◼   ► and this was just like last month,

01:25:25 ◼   ► or no, this is currently still this month,

01:25:27 ◼   ► but when this airs, it will have been last month.

01:25:32 ◼   ► started watching James Bond movies. Which he had not seen before. And I had offered,

01:25:38 ◼   ► I think I had offered once or twice before, but he was not, you know, he had not, he didn't really

01:25:42 ◼   ► know enough James Bond to be interested. But I think one of them just ended up being on the

01:25:47 ◼   ► hospital TV and he started watching it and liked it. And so we watched, I think we saw three of the

01:25:54 ◼   ► Pierce Brosnan, and then we watched both of the Timothy Dalton and a bunch of Roger Moore. And

01:26:00 ◼   ► that was as far as we got.

01:26:02 ◼   ► But he's seen like now, I mean, you know, in the span of like

01:26:06 ◼   ► three weeks he's seen

01:26:10 ◼   ► a great swath of James Bond that he had never seen before and he liked him.

01:26:13 ◼   ► He thought that and I think because he was sick, so when we got home

01:26:17 ◼   ► I showed, I started showing him

01:26:19 ◼   ► Casino Royale

01:26:23 ◼   ► and

01:26:24 ◼   ► I think that

01:26:26 ◼   ► it's updated and sort of more realistic

01:26:29 ◼   ► tone was not as comforting to him as like the slow pace of the older ones. Like being

01:26:39 ◼   ► sick, he wanted something that, you know, Roger Moore running around in pants up to

01:26:46 ◼   ► his chest in the 80s was kind of something that was kind of comforting.

01:26:49 ◼   ► Yeah, the Roger Moore ones, and again, they're probably in hindsight, and as time goes on,

01:26:54 ◼   ► they're my least favorite. But I love them though, because they were the new ones when

01:26:58 ◼   ► when I was a kid.

01:27:00 ◼   ► And it's funny because to me as a kid,

01:27:04 ◼   ► the Roger Moore ones looked just crackled with newness,

01:27:08 ◼   ► like just like an unopened package from a company,

01:27:13 ◼   ► an unopened Apple product, they just seemed new.

01:27:17 ◼   ► And the Connery ones seemed old,

01:27:19 ◼   ► like in the way that everything in Star Wars

01:27:22 ◼   ► was meant to look old, like the Millennium Falcon.

01:27:24 ◼   ► And it's just ridiculous 'cause it was only a difference

01:27:27 ◼   ► like 10 years, but I could just see the difference.

01:27:29 ◼   ► I could see that the suits that Connery was wearing

01:27:33 ◼   ► aren't in style today, whatever year, 1979 or '80

01:27:37 ◼   ► or whatever I was watching.

01:27:39 ◼   ► I was like, it looks so '60s, it looks ancient.

01:27:42 ◼   ► Because it just seemed to me like,

01:27:43 ◼   ► like when I was a kid, when I was a 10-year-old kid,

01:27:45 ◼   ► the '60s seemed longer ago than they do to me today.

01:27:49 ◼   ► 'Cause when you're a kid, your sense of time is so acute

01:27:55 ◼   ► and your sense of newness and currency and stuff like that.

01:27:59 ◼   ► And I just love the more ones.

01:28:01 ◼   ► But even in hindsight, now that the more ones look dated

01:28:04 ◼   ► and I think probably are the most dated of any of them,

01:28:08 ◼   ► 'cause they were like the ones that I feel like

01:28:10 ◼   ► were just the most faddish.

01:28:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, his outfits and a lot of those are just hysterical.

01:28:17 ◼   ► Even the earlier ones.

01:28:19 ◼   ► I mean, by the time it gets to the 80s,

01:28:21 ◼   ► he's just so old that it's kind of painful.

01:28:26 ◼   ► - I kind of excuse it because I think the '70s

01:28:29 ◼   ► were a really odd decade where it would have been

01:28:34 ◼   ► very difficult for them to dress him

01:28:38 ◼   ► in a more timeless fashion.

01:28:42 ◼   ► Like I feel like you can get away with that

01:28:44 ◼   ► in most of the-- - It wasn't cool.

01:28:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, and it was so decidedly uncool

01:28:48 ◼   ► that it just couldn't be done.

01:28:50 ◼   ► But overall, the more ones, to me, they just go down like ice

01:28:55 ◼   ► cream on a hot day.

01:28:58 ◼   ► You don't have to work to get into them at all.

01:29:02 ◼   ► And they don't ask you to accept anything unpleasant.

01:29:07 ◼   ► There's a nasty edge to the Connery ones.

01:29:10 ◼   ► Certainly in terms of the content, there's nothing that--

01:29:12 ◼   ► it's really alarming, and they're not particularly

01:29:14 ◼   ► violent because of when they were made,

01:29:15 ◼   ► or at least in terms of what's actually shown on screen.

01:29:19 ◼   ► But there's a certain nasty undertone to Connery's Bond.

01:29:22 ◼   ► Yes.

01:29:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:29:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:29:24 ◼   ► And Moore's was much more relaxed.

01:29:27 ◼   ► I've always said, too, like talking about these,

01:29:29 ◼   ► one of the things is that with Moore,

01:29:31 ◼   ► he played it in a way that there was a sense that he knew

01:29:36 ◼   ► he was James Bond and had already read the script

01:29:39 ◼   ► and knew that he was going to-- he knew that no matter what

01:29:41 ◼   ► predicament he was in at the moment,

01:29:44 ◼   ► hey, I know where the third act ends.

01:29:45 ◼   ► I'm in a raft on the ocean with a beautiful girl.

01:29:48 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:29:49 ◼   ► - It's all gonna be okay.

01:29:50 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:29:51 ◼   ► Like he just always played it as a guy

01:29:56 ◼   ► who had already read the end of the script

01:29:58 ◼   ► and knew where this was going.

01:30:00 ◼   ► - There's still, I mean, there's one of them

01:30:02 ◼   ► and I can't remember, I wanna say for your eyes only,

01:30:05 ◼   ► but like where he slaps the female,

01:30:10 ◼   ► - Oh yeah. - The woman around

01:30:14 ◼   ► And it's really kind of threatening to her.

01:30:19 ◼   ► And then of course they end up.

01:30:22 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:30:24 ◼   ► It's like, oh come on.

01:30:26 ◼   ► - In the sack. - Nice.

01:30:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's our Nogues.

01:30:30 ◼   ► I don't remember which, they blur together.

01:30:33 ◼   ► But it might be for your eyes only.

01:30:35 ◼   ► And it's a scene that seems,

01:30:39 ◼   ► you wouldn't have really thought,

01:30:40 ◼   ► well you might have,

01:30:42 ◼   ► you would have thought twice about it.

01:30:43 ◼   ► but it would have felt natural for Connery's bond to do it.

01:30:48 ◼   ► And it really felt out of place with Roger Moore's.

01:30:52 ◼   ► Not even that Roger Moore as an actor couldn't do it,

01:30:55 ◼   ► but it just didn't go along with the rest

01:30:59 ◼   ► of how he played the character.

01:31:01 ◼   ► - Right.

01:31:02 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:31:06 ◼   ► - Just be clear here that you've,

01:31:12 ◼   ► Your parenting is such that you've never allowed your son

01:31:15 ◼   ► to see the PG--

01:31:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, this is why I draw the line.

01:31:20 ◼   ► - Jar Jar Binks, you've drawn the line.

01:31:23 ◼   ► - That's too far.

01:31:24 ◼   ► - James Bond slapping--

01:31:27 ◼   ► - Wanton misogyny, A-OK.

01:31:31 ◼   ► - Violent misogyny.

01:31:33 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:31:33 ◼   ► - That's okay.

01:31:35 ◼   ► All right, let me take a break here before we wrap it up.

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01:31:52 ◼   ► I never know what to buy anybody.

01:31:54 ◼   ► And I get all stressed out, and then I put it off,

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01:34:39 ◼   ► What else we got?

01:34:41 ◼   ► We gotta wrap it up.

01:34:42 ◼   ► Seems like somebody asked my answer.

01:34:45 ◼   ► >> I think I was actually thinking of the man with the golden gun,

01:34:47 ◼   ► just to be clear.

01:34:48 ◼   ► >> Yeah, you know what?

01:34:49 ◼   ► Now that you say that, that makes sense.

01:34:51 ◼   ► That does make sense.

01:34:51 ◼   ► >> And the one, what was the other one I mentioned?

01:34:54 ◼   ► For your eyes only, is the one that looks like it has incredibly cheap production

01:34:59 ◼   ► values.

01:35:00 ◼   ► >> Yeah, I think that was one of the- >> I think that's the cheesiest of them.

01:35:03 ◼   ► The Man with the Golden Gun ends with a climactic fistfight between Roger Moore and Herve Villages, who was a little person.

01:35:15 ◼   ► James Bond chasing a little person around the master bedroom on a yacht.

01:35:21 ◼   ► It's also got, see that one has,

01:35:24 ◼   ► not only does it have misogyny in it,

01:35:25 ◼   ► it has racism played off for laughs

01:35:29 ◼   ► because it's got that southern sheriff guy in Thailand.

01:35:35 ◼   ► - Right. - Yeah.

01:35:37 ◼   ► And some of the things that he says are just awful.

01:35:40 ◼   ► God.

01:35:42 ◼   ► - Really bad.

01:35:43 ◼   ► - It's just terrible.

01:35:44 ◼   ► - That was an odd decision to bring that guy back

01:35:48 ◼   ► because he was--

01:35:49 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:35:50 ◼   ► I guess people really--

01:35:53 ◼   ► - The racist Southern sheriff was so popular in--

01:35:56 ◼   ► - Right. (laughing)

01:35:58 ◼   ► Let's bring him back again.

01:36:01 ◼   ► - What was he in, what was the first one he was in?

01:36:03 ◼   ► It was the one with the Paul McCartney theme song.

01:36:06 ◼   ► - Live and Let Die.

01:36:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, Live and Let Die.

01:36:10 ◼   ► That they had to bring him back.

01:36:12 ◼   ► Who they've brought back when they've brought people back

01:36:15 ◼   ► is always interesting.

01:36:17 ◼   ► I can't believe you don't have Star Wars tickets.

01:36:20 ◼   ► - I'm probably gonna regret that,

01:36:21 ◼   ► but I'm regretting it already, actually.

01:36:24 ◼   ► - Anything else?

01:36:27 ◼   ► Trying to think if there's any other news this week.

01:36:29 ◼   ► I don't really think so.

01:36:30 ◼   ► Little slow.

01:36:31 ◼   ► - Did you read, did you see the Frasier Spears post?

01:36:35 ◼   ► - No.

01:36:36 ◼   ► What was it on?

01:36:37 ◼   ► iPad Pro?

01:36:38 ◼   ► - iPad Pro, yeah.

01:36:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, what did he say?

01:36:41 ◼   ► - Let me, let me pull it up here.

01:36:46 ◼   ► Can the MacBook Pro replace your iPad?

01:36:48 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:36:51 ◼   ► It's very clever.

01:36:52 ◼   ► - Oh, that's, that's, I can tell where he's going.

01:36:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, the rest of it basically goes

01:36:59 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:36:59 ◼   ► along those lines.

01:37:01 ◼   ► - Oh, I should send, I'm gonna put this

01:37:03 ◼   ► in the show notes too.

01:37:04 ◼   ► I don't, I forget if I link to this on my site or not.

01:37:07 ◼   ► Sometimes it's like when I have something to link to,

01:37:09 ◼   ► I forget if I ever get to it or not,

01:37:11 ◼   ► if it's not real important, but there was a,

01:37:16 ◼   ► This sounds like it's exactly the same sort of thing.

01:37:18 ◼   ► It's a review of a gasoline-powered internal

01:37:23 ◼   ► combustion engine car from the perspective of a Tesla owner.

01:37:27 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

01:37:31 ◼   ► Oh my god, it is so great.

01:37:33 ◼   ► Gas car-- I'll put it in the show notes

01:37:36 ◼   ► so you can find it there.

01:37:37 ◼   ► OK.

01:37:39 ◼   ► This sounds like it's of a similar angle, which

01:37:42 ◼   ► is kind of genius.

01:37:44 ◼   ► I mean, you've seen a lot of posts about,

01:37:48 ◼   ► I mean, particularly because of the things

01:37:50 ◼   ► that Tim Cook said about whether or not an iPad Pro

01:37:52 ◼   ► can be used for serious work,

01:37:53 ◼   ► and you've probably discussed this many times,

01:37:55 ◼   ► but it seems like that was something

01:38:00 ◼   ► that we settled a long time ago,

01:38:03 ◼   ► and people are still trying to make this an argument.

01:38:06 ◼   ► - If you're an artist, note-taker, or teacher,

01:38:09 ◼   ► you're going to really struggle without the native ability

01:38:12 ◼   ► to use an Apple Pencil on the screen.

01:38:14 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:38:16 ◼   ► Oh, that's good, that's really good.

01:38:19 ◼   ► - And how are you gonna use it standing up?

01:38:20 ◼   ► You can't.

01:38:22 ◼   ► It's very difficult to use a MacBook Pro while standing.

01:38:25 ◼   ► Downright dangerous to use one when walking around.

01:38:30 ◼   ► - If you are a road warrior,

01:38:34 ◼   ► the MacBook Pro's total lack of cellular connectivity options

01:38:37 ◼   ► would be a serious hindrance to a proud man.

01:38:39 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:38:41 ◼   ► That's really good.

01:38:43 ◼   ► Alright, I don't think there's anything else.

01:38:48 ◼   ► Unless you can think of something.

01:38:53 ◼   ► No. We'll show movies for another hour and a half.

01:38:56 ◼   ► Yeah, no, maybe not. Maybe next time.

01:38:58 ◼   ► Okay, next time.

01:39:00 ◼   ► John Moltz, people can get all the Moltz they want on Twitter.

01:39:06 ◼   ► And then some.

01:39:07 ◼   ► that's @moltz and then they can see your very fine website. Very nice, very nice

01:39:16 ◼   ► website. Very also it's also very fine but it's but it's mostly very nice

01:39:19 ◼   ► website at verynicewebsite.net. Right and your podcasts, your regular

01:39:26 ◼   ► podcasts are... I do 48 podcasts. You know what, Snell's got you beat. Oh yeah, no,

01:39:32 ◼   ► there's no competing with Snell. I've got a theory, I wanted to bring

01:39:36 ◼   ► Oh, he was just on the show and I thought about it and I just didn't want to I don't want to make him

01:39:40 ◼   ► uncomfortable but I did it has occurred to me that Snell might be a uh remember that movie The Prestige?

01:39:46 ◼   ► Uh yeah. Yeah and I kind of don't want to spoil it for anybody who hasn't watched The Prestige

01:39:53 ◼   ► but I'll just say this. I haven't seen it in a while so I'll have to refresh my memory. Yeah

01:39:56 ◼   ► but I think it might be a prestige type scenario if you know what I mean. Okay. It'll make sense

01:40:03 ◼   ► to people who've seen the prestige.

01:40:04 ◼   ► - Okay, okay.

01:40:05 ◼   ► - Or should I just spoil it?

01:40:07 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:40:10 ◼   ► - No, you're not gonna do it?

01:40:11 ◼   ► - No.

01:40:13 ◼   ► - All right, then I won't, yeah.

01:40:14 ◼   ► - Do you know what though?

01:40:15 ◼   ► - You don't want Star Wars spoilers,

01:40:16 ◼   ► people don't want the prestige spoilers.

01:40:18 ◼   ► - Right.

01:40:20 ◼   ► I do think, I should say this before I wrap up,

01:40:22 ◼   ► I keep forgetting to do stuff like this.

01:40:24 ◼   ► A lot of times I wanna tell people who listen to,

01:40:26 ◼   ► I don't wanna talk to you.

01:40:27 ◼   ► I get so caught up talking to the guests

01:40:29 ◼   ► that I forget to talk to the audience.

01:40:30 ◼   ► I wanna talk to the audiences for a second

01:40:32 ◼   ► just say that I'm thinking about talking about Spectre

01:40:36 ◼   ► on an upcoming show.

01:40:38 ◼   ► And it's not going to quite be the old way that it was with Dan

01:40:40 ◼   ► where we really do a point by point review of the movie.

01:40:43 ◼   ► But there's stuff I want to talk about with that.

01:40:45 ◼   ► And I haven't talked about Skyfall either.

01:40:50 ◼   ► But I might.

01:40:51 ◼   ► And so if you're thinking about--

01:40:53 ◼   ► if you want to listen to it while it's fresh,

01:40:57 ◼   ► and you've been procrastinating on going to the theaters

01:40:59 ◼   ► to see Spectre, you should stop and your homework for the talk show is to go see Spectre.

01:41:04 ◼   ► Okay, I'll have to do that.

01:41:07 ◼   ► And then no one will be mad when I actually do it.

01:41:09 ◼   ► And then they can't.