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00:00:00 ◼   ► Yeah, we could get right into it.

00:00:01 ◼   ► So how long-- when did you--

00:00:02 ◼   ► you had the dev kit for Apple TV?

00:00:05 ◼   ► Yes.

00:00:08 ◼   ► And what's the story?

00:00:09 ◼   ► I mean, I guess it doesn't matter.

00:00:11 ◼   ► I'm curious, I did not get the dev kit.

00:00:13 ◼   ► And I guess I should have signed up for it.

00:00:15 ◼   ► I just assumed that I would get a review unit.

00:00:19 ◼   ► But they didn't.

00:00:20 ◼   ► I didn't get one until yesterday.

00:00:22 ◼   ► So we're recording here on Friday, October 30.

00:00:25 ◼   ► I got mine from Apple yesterday on the 29th.

00:00:28 ◼   ► And I don't think I've touched one.

00:00:30 ◼   ► Yeah, no I haven't since the event last month.

00:00:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, you got kind of a host bid on that.

00:00:35 ◼   ► 'Cause a lot of press outlets just signed up and got one.

00:00:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, is that what happened?

00:00:42 ◼   ► But I think a lot of them did get review units too.

00:00:44 ◼   ► And I just, you know, it seems haphazard.

00:00:47 ◼   ► Doesn't seem like there was any rhyme or reason to it.

00:00:49 ◼   ► Like who got one and who didn't?

00:00:51 ◼   ► Like TechCrunch didn't get it until yesterday either.

00:00:55 ◼   ► - Oh yeah? - Yeah.

00:00:57 ◼   ► I don't think I don't know if Renee got one. No, he didn't

00:01:00 ◼   ► Serenity did. Oh, really? Well, she had access to one I know that. Ah

00:01:05 ◼   ► Yeah, it's such a weird thing. Like it's meta. It's so inside baseball, but I guess that's what the point of podcasts is. Yeah

00:01:13 ◼   ► Is that it was the least secretive device?

00:01:18 ◼   ► Give once it was unveiled, you know, so there's it was unveiled on stage in September

00:01:24 ◼   ► I think they did a pretty good job keeping it under wraps.

00:01:26 ◼   ► Everybody knew that a new Apple TV was coming,

00:01:28 ◼   ► but nobody had screenshots or anything.

00:01:31 ◼   ► Nobody knew what the remote was exactly like.

00:01:35 ◼   ► No, it hurt stuff, but nothing.

00:01:38 ◼   ► I mean, I know people who'd seen them,

00:01:40 ◼   ► but nobody even told me what they look like.

00:01:42 ◼   ► Right, but then they started taking the developer requests the next day,

00:01:48 ◼   ► and some people started getting them a week later.

00:01:51 ◼   ► And I guess you were under an NDA based on your ADC account,

00:01:56 ◼   ► and that you weren't supposed to write about it, but it certainly wasn't a well-kept secret.

00:02:01 ◼   ► There was an additional NDA that came with the devkit.

00:02:05 ◼   ► Like a new NDA.

00:02:08 ◼   ► Yeah, that told you not to do anything with this devkit.

00:02:10 ◼   ► Right.

00:02:13 ◼   ► I'd like to talk about it.

00:02:13 ◼   ► My favorite...

00:02:15 ◼   ► It just never works.

00:02:16 ◼   ► Well, the best example of that would be the iFixit guys

00:02:17 ◼   ► who signed up for the devkit, agreed to an NDA,

00:02:20 ◼   ► And that as soon as it came, they took it apart and published their take-apart.

00:02:25 ◼   ► I was pretty frustrated, actually.

00:02:33 ◼   ► Defqits are a very rare thing for Apple to do.

00:02:38 ◼   ► Right.

00:02:40 ◼   ► And it's like, we don't want to piss them off and make them not do it.

00:02:41 ◼   ► I think it's great that they did this.

00:02:45 ◼   ► Yeah, I think it's great, too.

00:02:47 ◼   ► I think it was a mistake to sell them for a buck.

00:02:47 ◼   ► They should have been like double, triple the price of what the actual shipping unit was going to be.

00:02:51 ◼   ► Yeah, why do you think they did it that way?

00:02:53 ◼   ► Well, I think they wanted everybody to get as frictionless as possible

00:02:58 ◼   ► and encourage people to work on their awesome platform.

00:03:02 ◼   ► They probably have to charge a dollar for some reason, you know?

00:03:06 ◼   ► Yeah, like maybe in a way that Steve Jobs had to take a $1 salary,

00:03:11 ◼   ► I think there was some kind of legal requirement.

00:03:14 ◼   ► Yeah, accounting or...

00:03:16 ◼   ► pay your CEO or something like that. I swear that it was something like that.

00:03:21 ◼   ► And maybe it was something like that too where they have to sell it for some amount of money.

00:03:24 ◼   ► Just to account for it in some way other than...

00:03:28 ◼   ► Anyway, so...

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00:03:42 ◼   ► No, so anyway though, they had these out there.

00:03:44 ◼   ► Lots of journalists and writers bought them,

00:03:47 ◼   ► even though they weren't going to develop apps on them.

00:03:49 ◼   ► And I guess they mostly stuck to the NDA,

00:03:50 ◼   ► but it wasn't like it was tough to get.

00:03:52 ◼   ► But then the reviews all, there was clearly

00:03:56 ◼   ► like some number of people,

00:03:57 ◼   ► just like with every other Apple device,

00:03:59 ◼   ► iPhones and iPads, that they got pre-release access to them,

00:04:04 ◼   ► probably about a week before.

00:04:06 ◼   ► And then the embargo was clearly,

00:04:11 ◼   ► I think it was six o'clock Eastern on Wednesday,

00:04:14 ◼   ► 'cause all of a sudden--

00:04:15 ◼   ► - And what he had to review up.

00:04:17 ◼   ► - Right, and I was actually out at having dinner

00:04:20 ◼   ► with our friend Whiskus and Brady Harron,

00:04:25 ◼   ► you know, the guy from Hello Internet.

00:04:29 ◼   ► He's over here in the States.

00:04:30 ◼   ► And we were out and it was like all of a sudden,

00:04:33 ◼   ► we were talking about the fact that there were no reviews

00:04:35 ◼   ► of the Apple TV and then we were at dinner

00:04:38 ◼   ► and then all of a sudden it was like,

00:04:40 ◼   ► of a sudden there were like 15 reviews of Apple TV. But it was weird like, you know,

00:04:45 ◼   ► iMore wasn't on that list, TechCrunch wasn't on the list. It's very strange.

00:04:51 ◼   ► I guess the actual was, which makes sense, I think.

00:04:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:04:55 ◼   ► It's like a lot of media stuff that they cover. And Christina's pretty... she's been kicking

00:05:00 ◼   ► ass recently.

00:05:01 ◼   ► Yeah, I just actually, just before we started recording, I actually just linked to her review.

00:05:04 ◼   ► It's the only one I've read completely and just linked to it because I thought she nailed

00:05:09 ◼   ► I was like boy, that's every single thing there is about it. Yeah. Yeah, and she's been getting good interviews and stuff recently - yeah

00:05:16 ◼   ► Yeah, cuz well who she disinterview Johnny I've

00:05:20 ◼   ► Johnny I've and I'm gonna blank on it now. I

00:05:23 ◼   ► Don't know should have been a note right well, and she did and she got to she's the one who got access to

00:05:29 ◼   ► when Tim Cook did the meet-and-greet with the

00:05:34 ◼   ► the teenagers at WWDC

00:05:36 ◼   ► Yeah, she went and covered that. And I think that was an impromptu conversation, really.

00:05:44 ◼   ► I think it might have been, but I think it was right place, right time.

00:05:49 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's good reporting.

00:05:53 ◼   ► So, I know you've only had it a day. I've had mine longer.

00:06:01 ◼   ► I guess I can talk about that. But whatever. I have.

00:06:05 ◼   ► Well, I am actually mad.

00:06:09 ◼   ► Because if they don't do another dev kit, I'm going to be sad.

00:06:13 ◼   ► This is my question for you. My question, before we go on to it, is what was your experience like?

00:06:17 ◼   ► Have you been able to upgrade from the betas of the OS to the GM?

00:06:22 ◼   ► Yeah. It's dead easy.

00:06:26 ◼   ► But it didn't require using the diagnostic port, or it did?

00:06:30 ◼   ► does if you can't wear by diagnostic port I mean they'd USB port but they

00:06:34 ◼   ► even tell you in the instructions they're like USB C port and then they're

00:06:38 ◼   ► like this is only used for diagnostics yeah well you know flashing in OS on to

00:06:44 ◼   ► your things counts I guess you just go to the website you download the package

00:06:49 ◼   ► like the OS package and then you connect iTunes to it and it shows up in iTunes

00:06:56 ◼   ► And then you just, what is it, like option click restore,

00:07:01 ◼   ► and use the package you've got.

00:07:03 ◼   ► - Right, so it's exactly like doing it with a phone.

00:07:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's identical.

00:07:06 ◼   ► - So you connect it to your Mac with USB,

00:07:11 ◼   ► like when you connect a phone,

00:07:13 ◼   ► and then you can just do it from the iTunes app.

00:07:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, and it's a USB-C, which is like,

00:07:18 ◼   ► one of the first times I've been super thankful

00:07:20 ◼   ► that I've owned a MacBook, 'cause I'm like,

00:07:22 ◼   ► "Oh, look, it just works."

00:07:23 ◼   ► I don't have to worry about anything.

00:07:26 ◼   ► Yeah, so I guess if your computer was a MacBook, the new MacBook One port thing, you would

00:07:33 ◼   ► have to have a USB-C to USB-C cable.

00:07:36 ◼   ► Yeah, that's what I did.

00:07:38 ◼   ► Oh, really?

00:07:39 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:07:40 ◼   ► So I've got a...

00:07:42 ◼   ► I mean, when I bought the MacBook, I bought two little adapter things, like one for USB-C

00:07:47 ◼   ► and one that turns USB-C into...

00:07:49 ◼   ► It's the HDMI out, and it has a USB port.

00:07:53 ◼   ► So when did the App Store go live?

00:07:58 ◼   ► Yesterday.

00:08:02 ◼   ► Okay.

00:08:03 ◼   ► I couldn't tell you what time, but I think about noon.

00:08:04 ◼   ► Because what we had to do was, so we had a GM candidate for the past few days.

00:08:06 ◼   ► Then to get the App Store, and this was kind of confusing, we needed to re-download the OS

00:08:14 ◼   ► and flash that back onto the device for the App Store to show up.

00:08:20 ◼   ► But if I'm not mistaken, I think the version numbers are identical.

00:08:23 ◼   ► Huh? I wonder what they flipped one switch or I don't know exactly what they did,

00:08:28 ◼   ► but whatever. Like right now, mine is,

00:08:31 ◼   ► is if I just got out of a box from a store.

00:08:33 ◼   ► Huh? So it's exactly the same.

00:08:39 ◼   ► As mine setting is. Yeah.

00:08:41 ◼   ► All right. So first run experience. Pretty cool.

00:08:48 ◼   ► the way that they do the, if you want to,

00:08:52 ◼   ► just unlock your iPhone and get it near the Apple TV.

00:08:57 ◼   ► - That is the way computers should work, like all of them.

00:09:02 ◼   ► If you can do it with Macs, do it with Macs, just do it.

00:09:06 ◼   ► - And it doesn't transfer everything,

00:09:10 ◼   ► but it certainly gets you most of the way there.

00:09:13 ◼   ► And just getting it so that it's on your WiFi is huge.

00:09:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:17 ◼   ► Like you just wave your, it's basically magic.

00:09:21 ◼   ► And I know that's way overused when you talk

00:09:22 ◼   ► about Apple stuff, but you take your phone, you

00:09:24 ◼   ► put it close to your box and the older ones did

00:09:26 ◼   ► this too, but it's just cool to have a new thing.

00:09:30 ◼   ► Um, and it would just say, yeah, connecting to

00:09:33 ◼   ► the network and it logs you in, it's got all

00:09:35 ◼   ► the passwords, uh, it's got your iCloud

00:09:38 ◼   ► information.

00:09:38 ◼   ► So your, uh, your, what are you calling it now?

00:09:43 ◼   ► Apple ID.

00:09:44 ◼   ► Your Apple ID.

00:09:45 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:09:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:46 ◼   ► All your Apple ID stuff is over. So you've got all the Game Center stuff set up.

00:09:51 ◼   ► You've got your photos. All of that is just done.

00:09:55 ◼   ► And it's amazing. Because passwords are a pain in the ass to type.

00:10:00 ◼   ► Anyway. Let alone on a crazy keyboard thing.

00:10:04 ◼   ► I did have to enter my Apple ID password, though, one time to enable purchases.

00:10:13 ◼   ► Yeah, I think I did that too.

00:10:17 ◼   ► And I can see why. It's sort of like, I think the same logic

00:10:21 ◼   ► the way that when you restart your iPhone, you have to enter the password

00:10:25 ◼   ► once before you can go back to just using touch ID.

00:10:29 ◼   ► Yeah, I think the notion is that you can unlock the device, but if you're

00:10:33 ◼   ► going to do any real monetary damage, it wants to make

00:10:37 ◼   ► sure that you are who you say you are.

00:10:41 ◼   ► - I wonder, you know, and I, yeah, it's like they,

00:10:44 ◼   ► before you can do, yeah, exactly what you said,

00:10:47 ◼   ► monetary damage, you've really gotta enter your password.

00:10:51 ◼   ► I guess I can see the logic behind that,

00:10:53 ◼   ► but entering a password on the goddamn TV is so,

00:10:55 ◼   ► it's still such a pain in the ass.

00:10:57 ◼   ► I still am tempted to suggest that maybe you should be able

00:11:00 ◼   ► to use Touch ID on your phone, but there's, you know,

00:11:04 ◼   ► I guess, you know what I mean?

00:11:08 ◼   ► Like if it's somehow, if somehow it would,

00:11:11 ◼   ► it would send you an alert.

00:11:13 ◼   ► Like the way that like with our family sharing,

00:11:15 ◼   ► if Jonas wants to get an app,

00:11:18 ◼   ► me and Amy get these alerts that say,

00:11:21 ◼   ► hey, Jonas, who's a member of, you know,

00:11:23 ◼   ► a kid in your family sharing plan wants to get this app,

00:11:26 ◼   ► whatever the name of the app is, is this okay?

00:11:28 ◼   ► And actually, I guess I think they actually stopped

00:11:33 ◼   ► letting you use touch ID for that though,

00:11:34 ◼   ► now that I think about it.

00:11:35 ◼   ► I think now you have to enter your password on the phone.

00:11:38 ◼   ► - Hmm. - Hmm.

00:11:40 ◼   ► I guess maybe what I wish you could do with the Apple TV, and maybe you can, is maybe somehow use the...

00:11:45 ◼   ► maybe you can... can you still use the old remote app to enter passwords?

00:11:48 ◼   ► I think the old remote app is bust.

00:11:52 ◼   ► The old remote, physical remote, works, which is interesting.

00:11:55 ◼   ► Oh, does it? The IR one?

00:11:57 ◼   ► No, I didn't know that.

00:11:58 ◼   ► Yeah, I did it by accident and it totally worked. Look at that.

00:12:01 ◼   ► Until you start tapping and clicking and dragging your finger around.

00:12:04 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:12:05 ◼   ► That's actually funny.

00:12:07 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know about that.

00:12:10 ◼   ► So, after you enter that password, then they ask you,

00:12:13 ◼   ► "Do you want to use this password?"

00:12:15 ◼   ► "Do you want me to prompt you for the password?" "Never?"

00:12:19 ◼   ► I don't know what it is. I think it's like, yeah, it's like

00:12:24 ◼   ► your three options are

00:12:26 ◼   ► "Don't ever ask me for my password again. Just let me buy stuff."

00:12:30 ◼   ► Which, I don't know about you, but

00:12:32 ◼   ► that's what I do. Yeah, well that's what I do too, and I'm lucky. I definitely

00:12:36 ◼   ► understand why some parents wouldn't be able to do that, but Jonas is super trustworthy

00:12:39 ◼   ► with stuff like that. And even if he decided to risk it, he's only going to get away with

00:12:45 ◼   ► it once.

00:12:45 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:12:46 ◼   ► But it's so much more convenient, and I'm not worried, you know what I mean? Unlike

00:12:53 ◼   ► a device that's in your pocket that you might leave in a cab or something like that, your

00:12:56 ◼   ► Apple TV is not leaving your home.

00:12:57 ◼   ► It's in your living room. It's a safe place.

00:13:00 ◼   ► Right. If somebody who I don't trust is operating my Apple TV, I've got bigger problems now.

00:13:05 ◼   ► than if they're going to buy movies that I don't want.

00:13:09 ◼   ► Wouldn't that be like the ultimate dick move for a burglar?

00:13:13 ◼   ► Before he disconnects your Apple TV to rip it off and steal your TV set,

00:13:17 ◼   ► before he takes it, he just quick logs in

00:13:21 ◼   ► and buys some shitty movies. Like, subscribes you to all the Adam Sandler movies

00:13:25 ◼   ► or something like that. And then leaves the house. So not only did you

00:13:29 ◼   ► get burgled, you got stuck footing a bill for a bunch of movies you didn't like.

00:13:33 ◼   ► That actually sounds like a scene out of an Adam Sandler movie.

00:13:36 ◼   ► I think we're onto something here.

00:13:41 ◼   ► It buys you a bunch of albums on Apple Music that you don't want to.

00:13:49 ◼   ► It signs you up to Apple Music.

00:13:52 ◼   ► So anyway, first run experience. I feel like I've already complained too much.

00:14:03 ◼   ► I still want it to be better, but it's so good. It is such a better experience than any other first-run experience I've ever seen.

00:14:11 ◼   ► So I've done it manually quite a bit, because earlier betas didn't have...

00:14:18 ◼   ► Well, I think they had it, but they told you it was pretty flaky, so I didn't use it.

00:14:22 ◼   ► And man, it's a pain in the ass when you...

00:14:25 ◼   ► Sorry, I shouldn't say it's a pain in the ass. Comparatively, it's night and day.

00:14:29 ◼   ► I mean, laboriously entering in all your email addresses

00:14:33 ◼   ► and you gotta do it for a few different things.

00:14:36 ◼   ► It's a huge pain in the ass.

00:14:38 ◼   ► You have a wifi network, that sucks.

00:14:40 ◼   ► This was amazing.

00:14:42 ◼   ► It was the first time I tried it yesterday.

00:14:45 ◼   ► It was the first time I tried the Bluetooth Magic

00:14:47 ◼   ► and it was great.

00:14:48 ◼   ► - We know some of the people who work on Apple TV

00:14:54 ◼   ► and have for a while and I know that a couple of them

00:14:56 ◼   ► have been, you know, personally, take it personally

00:14:59 ◼   ► that they want this experience to be better for years.

00:15:02 ◼   ► 'Cause I know one of the features the old Apple TV had,

00:15:03 ◼   ► I actually don't know if the new one still supports it,

00:15:05 ◼   ► but remember how the old Apple TV

00:15:07 ◼   ► would let you pair a Bluetooth keyboard?

00:15:10 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:15:11 ◼   ► - And then you could use that to enter passwords

00:15:14 ◼   ► and stuff like that the first time, just to,

00:15:15 ◼   ► if you wanted to.

00:15:16 ◼   ► And I thought that's a great idea,

00:15:19 ◼   ► and I'm so glad that they did it,

00:15:21 ◼   ► but I never, I've never once actually done it.

00:15:23 ◼   ► Because it always seems to me like,

00:15:25 ◼   ► If I'm already at the couch and I've got the stupid remote in my hand,

00:15:29 ◼   ► where by stupid remote I mean the old remote,

00:15:32 ◼   ► and in my mind the pain of just sitting there and pecking away at the on-screen keyboard to enter my password,

00:15:40 ◼   ► as much as it annoys me, it doesn't annoy me enough to go up to my office,

00:15:44 ◼   ► get a Bluetooth keyboard, come downstairs, pair it, and go through that.

00:15:48 ◼   ► Yeah, even if you had one lying around in your living room, I'd find it annoying.

00:15:52 ◼   ► Half the time when I watch TV, it's because I want to stop doing my work, which involves typing on a keyboard.

00:15:59 ◼   ► You know what I mean? I just don't want a keyboard anywhere near me.

00:16:02 ◼   ► I will hunt and peck with that stupid controller if I have to.

00:16:05 ◼   ► I never really wanted to pair any Bluetooth stuff up to it. It's cool you could do it, though.

00:16:11 ◼   ► Some of the stuff that works automatically really impressed me.

00:16:16 ◼   ► Without me having to configure it at all, the volume up, volume down buttons

00:16:21 ◼   ► automatically controlled the volume on my TV.

00:16:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, interestingly, it does it on your TV too.

00:16:28 ◼   ► Not, you know what I mean?

00:16:30 ◼   ► Rather than increasing and decreasing the volume

00:16:32 ◼   ► coming out of the back of your set top box

00:16:34 ◼   ► out of the Apple TV, it's doing it,

00:16:37 ◼   ► like you see your TV UI come up when it does it.

00:16:40 ◼   ► - Exactly, right.

00:16:41 ◼   ► - And I think that those IR things

00:16:45 ◼   ► have like a standard set of actions

00:16:47 ◼   ► that most equipment takes.

00:16:50 ◼   ► So I think that that's how it figured it out.

00:16:54 ◼   ► But it was a pleasant surprise.

00:16:56 ◼   ► It was, man, I used to hate,

00:16:58 ◼   ► I mean, we're complaining about very fresh world problems here,

00:17:00 ◼   ► but I used to hate having to find the other one

00:17:01 ◼   ► more controlled just to lower the volume.

00:17:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, so for me, it actually,

00:17:05 ◼   ► I was very impressed that it worked,

00:17:07 ◼   ► and it does exactly what you said.

00:17:08 ◼   ► It shows my pioneer UI.

00:17:10 ◼   ► You know, and so you get this,

00:17:15 ◼   ► all of a sudden you have this, it is ugly.

00:17:17 ◼   ► - It's ugly, it's ugly.

00:17:18 ◼   ► At the event, it was so funny, at the Apple event in September

00:17:21 ◼   ► when they were showing this, whenever anybody would--

00:17:23 ◼   ► I forget what brand of TVs they were using.

00:17:26 ◼   ► They were, of course, all identical.

00:17:28 ◼   ► But whatever brand it was-- and maybe it was Panasonic.

00:17:30 ◼   ► But it doesn't matter.

00:17:31 ◼   ► Somebody liked Panasonic.

00:17:32 ◼   ► When you'd hit volume up and volume down,

00:17:34 ◼   ► and you'd see the onscreen interface for the volume,

00:17:36 ◼   ► the Apple, the product marketing people who was ever there

00:17:39 ◼   ► supervising the demo would always and every time say,

00:17:43 ◼   ► that's not our UI.

00:17:45 ◼   ► That's the TV set.

00:17:46 ◼   ► So they'd try to spin it.

00:17:47 ◼   ► It was like this-- and of course, it's just like always

00:17:50 ◼   ► with the Apple product marketing people.

00:17:52 ◼   ► It was a rehearsed line.

00:17:53 ◼   ► So I'm not quoting it exactly right.

00:17:55 ◼   ► But it amused me because it was perfectly calibrated

00:17:59 ◼   ► to do two things.

00:18:01 ◼   ► One, it was setting it up as, hey, this is a cool feature.

00:18:05 ◼   ► Our remote will talk to your TV.

00:18:07 ◼   ► And then two, it was excusing the jankiness

00:18:11 ◼   ► of the onscreen graphics.

00:18:12 ◼   ► Like, this is-- don't--

00:18:13 ◼   ► It's not our fault.

00:18:14 ◼   ► Do not think that we designed this little crazy blue bar that shows you what the volume is at right now.

00:18:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:18:21 ◼   ► That's cool. It's a good feature.

00:18:22 ◼   ► Also, it makes a lot of sense to do it that way because there's no synchronization problem then between

00:18:29 ◼   ► what people are expecting from their television remote control and what the volume of the Apple TV device is.

00:18:34 ◼   ► If you hit mute on your old TV remote, it's going to mute.

00:18:41 ◼   ► I think it's just good to have one less level of confusion about what the output is actually going to be.

00:18:48 ◼   ► So for me, I was impressed that that worked. But it actually is useless because I don't use the volume from my TV.

00:18:55 ◼   ► I have this little box from Bose that powers the speakers on our TV.

00:19:01 ◼   ► So we have to use this Bose remote control.

00:19:03 ◼   ► And the Bose thing is a little... I guess you'd call it a receiver, but it's even smaller than the Apple TV.

00:19:09 ◼   ► It's just this tiny little black box that's like a little puck

00:19:13 ◼   ► that the speakers are plugged into

00:19:17 ◼   ► And so you can you make the TV learn the remote yeah

00:19:22 ◼   ► No, yeah, so you go to Apple in the Apple TV

00:19:27 ◼   ► you say it's you go to remotes, and it's like do you want to control a different device and

00:19:30 ◼   ► The setup for this was I was like oh what am I?

00:19:35 ◼   ► Figured that they wouldn't do remember the old way it would be like what brand you have and if it's like

00:19:39 ◼   ► Bose, they're like, "Try these codes, 857, 863, and 877."

00:19:44 ◼   ► 'Cause those are the ones that Bose typically uses.

00:19:49 ◼   ► And if those don't work, well, maybe try this one.

00:19:54 ◼   ► I knew it wouldn't be like that, but it was so easy.

00:19:56 ◼   ► So what they said is they say,

00:19:59 ◼   ► "If you wanna control the volume on a different device

00:20:01 ◼   ► "using your Apple TV, okay, go get your other remote

00:20:06 ◼   ► "from the manufacturer of your other device."

00:20:09 ◼   ► and press down and hold volume up until this line is filled.

00:20:14 ◼   ► And so you just press and hold the volume up

00:20:16 ◼   ► on our other remote and takes about two or three seconds

00:20:19 ◼   ► and then like a progress bar fills up.

00:20:21 ◼   ► It's sort of like the, it's similar to the equivalent

00:20:25 ◼   ► of when you're training touch ID with a new fingerprint.

00:20:28 ◼   ► And then they're like, okay, got it.

00:20:30 ◼   ► Now do volume down and just keep holding volume down

00:20:33 ◼   ► until we tell you to stop.

00:20:34 ◼   ► And it takes about two or three seconds

00:20:36 ◼   ► and then you're done, that's it.

00:20:38 ◼   ► and then all of a sudden your Apple TV,

00:20:40 ◼   ► my Apple TV remote instead of controlling my TV's remote,

00:20:43 ◼   ► controls my receiver's volume.

00:20:46 ◼   ► - That's great.

00:20:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, it really is great.

00:20:48 ◼   ► - Piece of cake, 'cause these things

00:20:50 ◼   ► are such a hassle usually, so.

00:20:52 ◼   ► - Yeah, and that's one of those things that I really do,

00:20:55 ◼   ► I'd love to hear the war stories

00:20:57 ◼   ► from the team that did it, 'cause you just know

00:20:58 ◼   ► that getting that to work on, you know,

00:21:02 ◼   ► 30 or 40 different brands of consumer electronic devices,

00:21:05 ◼   ► you just know that it's as screwy

00:21:08 ◼   ► as when you talk to people who work on email clients about the different IMAP servers out there and stuff like that.

00:21:13 ◼   ► You just know it's probably even worse.

00:21:15 ◼   ► Yeah. It's a good way of doing it though. It's cool. Anyway, so that's awesome.

00:21:20 ◼   ► So within minutes, you had your whole setup working.

00:21:23 ◼   ► Yeah. The other thing I had to do, and it makes sense, and I only noticed it when I first started playing a couple of games.

00:21:30 ◼   ► You remember the game Cannibal?

00:21:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:34 ◼   ► So that's there and it it plays really good on TV

00:21:38 ◼   ► But the one thing I noticed was it was the first game and the only one so far that I noticed that it it goes

00:21:46 ◼   ► Corner to corner. So like the score was cut off by overscan

00:21:49 ◼   ► hmm, and

00:21:52 ◼   ► I

00:21:53 ◼   ► Jonas was with me and it was so I it's like it and so I went into settings

00:21:57 ◼   ► I thought maybe I could fix on Apple TV and then I realized like the settings

00:22:01 ◼   ► There is a section where it talks about something with overscan.

00:22:04 ◼   ► But then the settings explains you've got to change it on your TV.

00:22:07 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a TV setting that they crop around the edges there.

00:22:10 ◼   ► Right, and that made all the sense in the world.

00:22:12 ◼   ► Of course the Apple TV isn't sending...

00:22:15 ◼   ► - Cropped image. - Right, a cropped image to the TV.

00:22:17 ◼   ► It's the TV that's doing it.

00:22:19 ◼   ► And then it's like, "Oh, God, now I'm stuck going into the goofy Pioneer image."

00:22:25 ◼   ► Or the goofy little computer that's built into my TV set from Pioneer.

00:22:30 ◼   ► and it's horrible. It's so confusing. But then Jonas was with me and thankfully reminded me that

00:22:35 ◼   ► we had solved the exact same problem with the PS4 when we got it for Christmas last year.

00:22:41 ◼   ► Oh cool. It wasn't until like PC mode or something.

00:22:44 ◼   ► Exactly. That's exactly it. You put it in PC mode, which is sort of... I understand it,

00:22:48 ◼   ► but there's no way a normal person would understand it. I understand what they're

00:22:51 ◼   ► saying though. They're saying this is not an analog video device. This is a computer that

00:22:57 ◼   ► that is sending a pixel-per-pixel precise image

00:23:01 ◼   ► to what it considers more like a PC monitor than a TV.

00:23:06 ◼   ► So once we did that, then it was perfect.

00:23:09 ◼   ► - That's cool.

00:23:11 ◼   ► Did the colors change at all?

00:23:13 ◼   ► - No, not by doing that.

00:23:15 ◼   ► No, it really just changed--

00:23:18 ◼   ► - TV's mannequin.

00:23:19 ◼   ► - So crazy.

00:23:21 ◼   ► So much old stuff built in there.

00:23:22 ◼   ► There's so much, what would you call it, technical debt?

00:23:25 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:23:26 ◼   ► the whole reason for over over scanning it made all the sense in the world in

00:23:30 ◼   ► the CRT era yeah but it makes no sense at all and when everything's digital and

00:23:36 ◼   ► it's crazy that everything always defaults to the under scan over scan I

00:23:41 ◼   ► guess yeah did that make sense yeah did you do the same thing did you have to

00:23:48 ◼   ► change yours to PC mode I didn't have to but maybe you just haven't noticed

00:23:53 ◼   ► Maybe you haven't noticed, but I did play "Cannibalt."

00:23:55 ◼   ► Huh.

00:23:57 ◼   ► So, but maybe I didn't look at the thing. I'll have to go look.

00:24:00 ◼   ► Yeah, you could, it's very obvious. You could just, I mean, "Cannibalt" really puts the score literally in the top right corner.

00:24:06 ◼   ► I mean, it's, they're way outside the safe zone.

00:24:09 ◼   ► Yeah. Well, that's the other thing. When designing for a TV, they tell you to, there's like a, like the overscan border, they tell you where it is, and you shouldn't go there.

00:24:18 ◼   ► and even when filming, they take it into account when they're filming.

00:24:23 ◼   ► Which is kind of bananas in that that's how entrenched this thing is.

00:24:28 ◼   ► Even the production side is basically just adapting, throwing its hands up and being like,

00:24:34 ◼   ► "Okay, well, let's just avoid the edges."

00:24:37 ◼   ► Even though now there's no more technical reason for it.

00:24:41 ◼   ► That it's a digital image you're shooting on video,

00:24:44 ◼   ► video and it's going to be digital all the way through until it gets on the display.

00:24:50 ◼   ► But because everybody shoots within the safe zone, you still have to shoot within the safe

00:24:54 ◼   ► zone. And the devices still default sometimes to, well, maybe they didn't shoot with the

00:24:59 ◼   ► safe zone, so we're going to overscan.

00:25:01 ◼   ► Yeah. Too weird. Byzantine little crazy technological nightmare.

00:25:10 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:25:12 ◼   ► All right, let me take a break.

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00:28:22 ◼   ► So what else?

00:28:24 ◼   ► So when I got my home yesterday,

00:28:27 ◼   ► the App Store, like you said,

00:28:31 ◼   ► it must have gone live during the day,

00:28:32 ◼   ► probably when they started giving them out to people like,

00:28:35 ◼   ► you know, monkeys like me in the media.

00:28:37 ◼   ► - So you had a briefing, right?

00:28:40 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:28:40 ◼   ► - Can we say you had a briefing?

00:28:41 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:28:42 ◼   ► - I guess we just did.

00:28:43 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:28:44 ◼   ► - Like, what were the talking points?

00:28:48 ◼   ► Like, what did they run you through?

00:28:50 ◼   ► - Well, officially the briefings are off the record,

00:28:55 ◼   ► so I won't quote them.

00:28:56 ◼   ► - Okay, okay, okay.

00:28:57 ◼   ► - But I don't think it's a secret either.

00:28:58 ◼   ► It wasn't really, it's, you know, it was,

00:29:02 ◼   ► In my personal experience, I've said this before,

00:29:05 ◼   ► I'm not quite sure where to draw the line

00:29:06 ◼   ► with what's NDA and what's not,

00:29:08 ◼   ► but the basic gist, I have never ever gotten a review unit

00:29:11 ◼   ► of an Apple product that didn't include a briefing.

00:29:14 ◼   ► And not like with a room full of people,

00:29:17 ◼   ► you get like one-on-one time

00:29:18 ◼   ► with somebody from product marketing.

00:29:20 ◼   ► And it's always, people who are,

00:29:24 ◼   ► but people at Apple are like,

00:29:25 ◼   ► the product marketing team for Apple TV

00:29:27 ◼   ► is intimately familiar with the product,

00:29:29 ◼   ► they really know it.

00:29:30 ◼   ► So the big parts that they emphasized, the universal search and Siri, absolutely, they went through a couple of demos, let me play with it.

00:29:39 ◼   ► But it's clear that that is central to their vision for why are they even in the business of making Apple TV.

00:29:48 ◼   ► This universal search is absolutely huge.

00:29:51 ◼   ► Yeah, so I phrased that the wrong way.

00:29:56 ◼   ► No, it's alright.

00:29:58 ◼   ► I'm curious what they want to push.

00:30:01 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that's a good question. I think because usually what they want to push really is the most interesting things.

00:30:08 ◼   ► It's not like, it's so easy to overthink it. And if they're talking about A, B, and C, then you can overthink it and think,

00:30:14 ◼   ► well then D must be the part that's really interesting because they don't want to talk about it.

00:30:18 ◼   ► about it and maybe that's a problem or whatever. Now, Universal Search, you know,

00:30:24 ◼   ► the basic gist of using the trackpad, which I, you know, we can talk about this

00:30:30 ◼   ► more, I think we should. To me it's interesting. Now this is the

00:30:34 ◼   ► sort of thing they don't talk about, but the feel of it, the way that you can kind

00:30:38 ◼   ► of feel the UI as you slide your thumb around, is really interesting because

00:30:42 ◼   ► usually a touchpad has always been a thing where you have a cursor on screen

00:30:48 ◼   ► that you move around, right? Just think about like a MacBook like when you or

00:30:52 ◼   ► the new Magic Trackpad for you know desktops. You slide your finger around

00:30:56 ◼   ► and there's a thing on screen you know the arrow usually but it you know turns

00:31:01 ◼   ► into an I beam when you're editing text or whatever it moves around in response.

00:31:05 ◼   ► Well there is nothing on screen on Apple TV. It's you're just sort of implicitly

00:31:11 ◼   ► moving a selection around and different things pop up and move. I think they did

00:31:16 ◼   ► great job of that.

00:31:18 ◼   ► - They did an amazing job of that.

00:31:20 ◼   ► Like we could talk about that for ages.

00:31:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, we can hold it.

00:31:23 ◼   ► - They call it focus, but yeah.

00:31:25 ◼   ► Get back to it.

00:31:26 ◼   ► - What else did they want us to show?

00:31:28 ◼   ► Oh, they definitely wanted to show,

00:31:30 ◼   ► and I think rightly so.

00:31:31 ◼   ► And if anything to me has been underplayed so far

00:31:34 ◼   ► in the reviews of it that I've seen,

00:31:36 ◼   ► is the video scrubbing.

00:31:39 ◼   ► Meaning that when you fast forward video,

00:31:44 ◼   ► you get a fantastic, to me the best,

00:31:49 ◼   ► it's even better than TiVo.

00:31:51 ◼   ► And TiVo to me, I know John Siracusa

00:31:54 ◼   ► holds the same opinion on it,

00:31:56 ◼   ► is really until now the only fast-forwarding video

00:32:00 ◼   ► for anything I've ever connected to my TV

00:32:03 ◼   ► that actually is decent.

00:32:06 ◼   ► The old Apple TV was complete shit

00:32:08 ◼   ► for fast-forward and rewind,

00:32:09 ◼   ► especially for streaming content.

00:32:13 ◼   ► Because you'd have no visual indication of it.

00:32:15 ◼   ► You just have this timeline thing that moves.

00:32:17 ◼   ► And every once in a while, it just

00:32:19 ◼   ► goes back to the beginning of the whole stream.

00:32:21 ◼   ► And the new one, it's so good.

00:32:24 ◼   ► It's so fast.

00:32:25 ◼   ► The little thumbnail that shows you

00:32:27 ◼   ► what you will get if you stop as you fast forward,

00:32:31 ◼   ► it updates perfectly.

00:32:34 ◼   ► It's almost like I wonder if they had to dial it back

00:32:36 ◼   ► and slow it down so it doesn't change too much.

00:32:40 ◼   ► It's like it updates exactly as frequently

00:32:42 ◼   ► you want it to and whatever it is that you're looking at on that thumbnail when

00:32:45 ◼   ► you hit click it again to say all right start playing from here it just starts

00:32:49 ◼   ► playing exactly what it showed in the thumbnail is exactly what you will see

00:32:53 ◼   ► blown up to the full size of the screen and it sound I think it's it obviously

00:32:58 ◼   ► anything you fast-forward should work the way I just said but nothing has

00:33:02 ◼   ► worked that way until now and they definitely wanted to show that off and

00:33:07 ◼   ► and then mostly just games, I guess.

00:33:10 ◼   ► - Oh, interesting, okay.

00:33:13 ◼   ► Yeah, that fast forward thing is amazing.

00:33:18 ◼   ► Have you tried telling Siri to go back 30 seconds?

00:33:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, and it works great.

00:33:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's awesome.

00:33:23 ◼   ► - I find the only thing that I find so far is

00:33:29 ◼   ► it's almost like I forget to use Siri.

00:33:33 ◼   ► I've only had it for literally 20 to 30 hours.

00:33:38 ◼   ► - Exactly where it's gonna go.

00:33:39 ◼   ► I find myself going to the store,

00:33:43 ◼   ► navigating around top shows to find a show

00:33:46 ◼   ► that I know what I'm looking for.

00:33:47 ◼   ► I could just say it.

00:33:48 ◼   ► - I forget what I wanted.

00:33:51 ◼   ► - I need to break my old habits.

00:33:52 ◼   ► - Right, I started doing the type ahead to type something

00:33:55 ◼   ► and I was annoyed and I was just like,

00:33:57 ◼   ► oh wait, I'm not supposed to type to find it.

00:34:02 ◼   ► I think they even offer you reminders. It's like they even show you.

00:34:06 ◼   ► They're like, you know, you could, you know, just hit the Siri button.

00:34:09 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:34:11 ◼   ► That's cool. I know some people have been frustrated with it, but whatever.

00:34:14 ◼   ► It's Siri, so...

00:34:16 ◼   ► I think you can have good and bad experiences with it at times.

00:34:22 ◼   ► Yeah, it's always like that. It's definitely... but it's getting better across all devices.

00:34:28 ◼   ► You know, the watch...

00:34:29 ◼   ► Oh yeah, I agree.

00:34:30 ◼   ► the phone and with everything. It is getting better at a very rapid... Does this one seem

00:34:34 ◼   ► way faster to you? I think so. And it um... Like the words just appear as as I say them.

00:34:41 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't, I almost don't even know how it could be faster. Like why, why, and unless it's

00:34:47 ◼   ► just that it's, you know, the the team working on Apple TV are such engineering badasses that

00:34:54 ◼   ► that they're actually better than the people on the watch

00:34:58 ◼   ► and phone teams or something.

00:35:00 ◼   ► I really, it almost seems inexplicable

00:35:02 ◼   ► how much faster it is than Siri on the phone.

00:35:06 ◼   ► - The only thing I could come up with

00:35:07 ◼   ► was that it's a smaller problem set,

00:35:09 ◼   ► so they've got a lot more stuff cached locally for,

00:35:11 ◼   ► like you often say, "Show me."

00:35:14 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:35:15 ◼   ► - And then the name of a TV show,

00:35:16 ◼   ► and I've already got like a list about the TV show,

00:35:18 ◼   ► so they have a pretty confident guess before maybe.

00:35:22 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Maybe.

00:35:23 ◼   ► - I don't know though.

00:35:25 ◼   ► It was like,

00:35:26 ◼   ► I was interested, so for example,

00:35:30 ◼   ► we were watching a movie as a family last night.

00:35:34 ◼   ► Jonas had like an in-service day today,

00:35:38 ◼   ► where the teachers are, I don't know,

00:35:40 ◼   ► grading papers or something.

00:35:42 ◼   ► So he did, yesterday was the beginning of his weekend,

00:35:45 ◼   ► so he could stay up late and we watched a movie.

00:35:48 ◼   ► But I was interested, and oddly enough,

00:35:50 ◼   ► Amy was too in the Thursday night football game,

00:35:53 ◼   ► which was the Miami Dolphins against

00:35:56 ◼   ► the New England Patriots because Daniel Tosh,

00:36:00 ◼   ► you ever see that Tosh?

00:36:02 ◼   ► - That guy-- - I bet you hate him.

00:36:04 ◼   ► You hate him. (both laughing)

00:36:08 ◼   ► 'Cause he's not a good person,

00:36:10 ◼   ► which is, he's a very funny guy.

00:36:13 ◼   ► I think he's hilarious, but Amy really likes his show.

00:36:16 ◼   ► She likes him.

00:36:17 ◼   ► So I watch with her and I get grossed out

00:36:21 ◼   ► by some of this stuff.

00:36:22 ◼   ► I really, I'm a little squeamish.

00:36:24 ◼   ► And so if you don't know,

00:36:25 ◼   ► Daniel Tosh has a show on, a weekly show on Comedy Central

00:36:28 ◼   ► where they show clips from YouTube

00:36:30 ◼   ► and wherever else they can find them on the internet

00:36:32 ◼   ► of people doing stupid things and often getting hurt.

00:36:36 ◼   ► And then he makes fun of them.

00:36:37 ◼   ► But anyway, he raised $25,000 and he had a,

00:36:42 ◼   ► he did this before too.

00:36:47 ◼   ► raised like $25,000 for charity with the awesome with the idea but well just

00:36:53 ◼   ► with the idea though that once he raised the 25 grand for charity he would go to

00:36:58 ◼   ► Vegas and bet it all on one hand a blackjack and then if he won it would

00:37:03 ◼   ► all go to the charity and if he lost they would get nothing and he went and

00:37:07 ◼   ► played one hand a blackjack and lost and it was true I mean he was there at the

00:37:12 ◼   ► Mirage and he had a stack of $25,000 in front of him.

00:37:16 ◼   ► And so this year, he raised $25,000.

00:37:21 ◼   ► And it's actually for a pal of his who,

00:37:24 ◼   ► some other comedian, I hadn't heard him,

00:37:26 ◼   ► but the poor guy's got a brain tumor or something.

00:37:29 ◼   ► And it's a typical US thing, even with Obamacare,

00:37:34 ◼   ► it's like his insurance is gonna bankrupt him or something.

00:37:37 ◼   ► So the money's gonna go to help this comedian friend

00:37:39 ◼   ► of his, you know, pay off his medical bills

00:37:42 ◼   ► from brain tumor.

00:37:44 ◼   ► So great cause.

00:37:45 ◼   ► But what he did is he bet the whole thing

00:37:48 ◼   ► on the first half, this is like the longest tangent

00:37:52 ◼   ► in the history of the show.

00:37:53 ◼   ► He bet the whole thing on the first half

00:37:56 ◼   ► of the Miami Dolphins New England Patriots game.

00:37:59 ◼   ► Now the backstory here is that Tash is a lifelong

00:38:03 ◼   ► Miami Dolphins fan.

00:38:04 ◼   ► Loves the Miami Dolphins.

00:38:06 ◼   ► The Miami Dolphins are terrible.

00:38:09 ◼   ► They're so bad they've already fired their,

00:38:11 ◼   ► you know, like three games into the season

00:38:12 ◼   ► they fired their coach.

00:38:13 ◼   ► And that, you know, I mean, that's.

00:38:14 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:38:15 ◼   ► If you can't even wait till the end of the season

00:38:18 ◼   ► to fire your coach, you know your team is in bad shape.

00:38:21 ◼   ► So the Miami Dolphins are terrible

00:38:23 ◼   ► and the New England Patriots are quite possibly,

00:38:25 ◼   ► probably the best team in football this year.

00:38:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, don't talk about this.

00:38:30 ◼   ► - So what he did is he bet on the Patriots

00:38:36 ◼   ► for the first half only

00:38:38 ◼   ► so that he could, by all accounts,

00:38:41 ◼   ► they're almost certainly gonna be ahead at halftime.

00:38:44 ◼   ► They had to be ahead by at least three and a half points,

00:38:46 ◼   ► and he'd win.

00:38:47 ◼   ► But then he could go back and root for the Miami Dolphins

00:38:50 ◼   ► to win the game by coming back in the second half.

00:38:53 ◼   ► So anyway, long story short,

00:38:54 ◼   ► we were interested in the score of the game,

00:38:56 ◼   ► and so I did the Siri thing in the middle of a movie.

00:38:58 ◼   ► Hey Siri, what's the score of the Dolphins game?

00:39:00 ◼   ► And the score was already up.

00:39:03 ◼   ► Like it felt like I was gonna wait for like a little spinner

00:39:07 ◼   ► while she processes it.

00:39:08 ◼   ► And in the meantime, it was like the New England Patriots are up 17-0 in the first half or

00:39:13 ◼   ► whatever it was.

00:39:14 ◼   ► Anyway, long story short, Tosh did win the bet.

00:39:17 ◼   ► The Dolphins got killed.

00:39:18 ◼   ► OK, cool.

00:39:19 ◼   ► So, I mean, good that he's helping out his brain buddy.

00:39:24 ◼   ► He's such a dick.

00:39:26 ◼   ► I'm sure that he'd, you know, behind the scenes, and probably gave him money, but at least

00:39:31 ◼   ► publicly.

00:39:32 ◼   ► And he did have a picture of the ticket you get from the sportsbook.

00:39:35 ◼   ► He did bet $25,000 on the Patriots.

00:39:38 ◼   ► anyway long story short, anyway, long story short, you got your sports scores pretty quick.

00:39:45 ◼   ► instantaneously and that to me is not the sort of question I guess that you can yeah

00:39:51 ◼   ► I mean you know I mean how many I guess people ask about weather and ask about

00:39:55 ◼   ► sports scores and I don't know it seems to me like it's more than just local

00:39:59 ◼   ► caching it's really really good and I just feel like it it has to become

00:40:04 ◼   ► habit-forming because it is such a useful way to navigate the Apple TV.

00:40:08 ◼   ► Yeah, I just still haven't got there yet. I still do the left-right-up-down thing

00:40:13 ◼   ► way too often. Yeah. I'll get there. The other little thing, and I wonder maybe I

00:40:20 ◼   ► haven't actually tried this, but I know at the event when I played with it I

00:40:23 ◼   ► kept I'd press the button and I would say "H*ck, what's the temperature outside?" and

00:40:28 ◼   ► that screwed it all up and they're like "Oh no no you don't have to say don't say

00:40:32 ◼   ► just ask what the weather is but it's weird because I've sort of gotten

00:40:37 ◼   ► grooved on saying because hmm I guess I should have prefaced that because I

00:40:43 ◼   ► know famous that's probably me doing that probably set off serious although

00:40:49 ◼   ► strangely it didn't set off mine on my phone right here yeah maybe we'll beep

00:40:55 ◼   ► it out if you heard beeps I don't know you may or not have heard beeps 30

00:40:59 ◼   ► seconds ago it was because I said a GY Siri the only thing the only thing that

00:41:12 ◼   ► ever gets beeped on on my talk show anyway you would think it shouldn't

00:41:20 ◼   ► screw it up though like why would that screw yeah I wonder if maybe they've

00:41:24 ◼   ► maybe they could just maybe the in I wouldn't be surprised if in the interim

00:41:28 ◼   ► maybe they've made it so Siri will just ignore it. Recognize it and ignore it.

00:41:33 ◼   ► You don't need to say it but if you do, out of habit, it shouldn't hurt you.

00:41:37 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It seems like you holding the button, which is effectively

00:41:41 ◼   ► the same thing as summoning. It seems like the sort of thing that when before

00:41:47 ◼   ► it goes out to a wider audience you can see why they didn't do that because the

00:41:51 ◼   ► only people who were using it were on the team and they knew exactly how it

00:41:54 ◼   ► worked and so they of course never said **** because they knew not to say **** but

00:41:58 ◼   ► - Stop doing it.

00:41:59 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:42:00 ◼   ► - Beep.

00:42:01 ◼   ► They knew not to say the thing.

00:42:05 ◼   ► But then once it got out into a wider release,

00:42:09 ◼   ► maybe it was like, oh yeah, obviously we should

00:42:12 ◼   ► just listen for that and just discard it.

00:42:15 ◼   ► Sort of like with the live photos,

00:42:17 ◼   ► the way that in the, for the first month with the iPhone 6,

00:42:21 ◼   ► if you drop your camera, drop it meaning lower it

00:42:25 ◼   ► after you snap the picture,

00:42:26 ◼   ► your live photo ends up with this blurry picture

00:42:30 ◼   ► of somebody's feet every single time.

00:42:31 ◼   ► And then starting in iOS 9.1, they detect that

00:42:35 ◼   ► and just crop it at the point where you lower the camera.

00:42:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, I love live photo client, that's a good idea.

00:42:41 ◼   ► - It's so great, but it's so, you can totally see

00:42:44 ◼   ► how this seemingly obvious feature

00:42:47 ◼   ► of detecting the lowering of the camera,

00:42:49 ◼   ► how it slipped through, because the only people using it

00:42:52 ◼   ► knew they had gotten in the habit of holding the camera

00:42:56 ◼   ► for one and a half seconds after they take the photo.

00:42:59 ◼   ► - And it's really like when you're not thinking about it

00:43:01 ◼   ► and you're not really,

00:43:03 ◼   ► 'cause that's part of the beauty of the live photos,

00:43:05 ◼   ► you don't have to think about it.

00:43:07 ◼   ► You just do it, but then you end up with these weird things.

00:43:10 ◼   ► So I wouldn't be surprised if the, you know.

00:43:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, something slips through, but don't do it again.

00:43:19 ◼   ► What's the Amazon one?

00:43:25 ◼   ► Alexa?

00:43:28 ◼   ► Huh? I tricked you into saying it.

00:43:30 ◼   ► But what do you have to say, though?

00:43:32 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:43:34 ◼   ► I don't know what the...

00:43:36 ◼   ► Anyway, whatever.

00:43:38 ◼   ► We can't...

00:43:40 ◼   ► I find it a little bit disconcerting that we're worried about saying the Bonk thing,

00:43:44 ◼   ► because it's going to upset robots.

00:43:46 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:43:48 ◼   ► It's not really a feature of one of the living.

00:43:50 ◼   ► Shh!

00:43:52 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:43:54 ◼   ► Shh.

00:43:55 ◼   ► Don't--

00:43:56 ◼   ► No, no, no.

00:43:56 ◼   ► Don't wake up the robot.

00:43:57 ◼   ► Let me take another break here.

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00:47:39 ◼   ► Yeah, cozy. The winter's coming in.

00:47:42 ◼   ► What else?

00:47:45 ◼   ► So we got as far as turning the actual thing on.

00:47:48 ◼   ► Yeah, let's talk about the input. You're sliding around this trackpad.

00:47:51 ◼   ► And what did you say is called Focus?

00:47:54 ◼   ► Yeah, it's called... internally the class that takes care of all of that is called the UI Focus Engine.

00:48:00 ◼   ► So... I mean...

00:48:03 ◼   ► I know we don't have a selection rectangle, but...

00:48:07 ◼   ► You know, think of it like that, right? Like as you move down you get the selection rectangle.

00:48:13 ◼   ► What actually happens for listeners who haven't seen it is you move from one icon or button to the other

00:48:20 ◼   ► and as you move onto one it gets bigger and gets a parallax effect on it too

00:48:28 ◼   ► so that as you slightly move your finger around the trackpad, the angle of the icon changes

00:48:35 ◼   ► giving it a nice 3D feel.

00:48:39 ◼   ► Like you feel like you're manipulating an object.

00:48:42 ◼   ► - It definitely has a 3D feel.

00:48:46 ◼   ► I feel like for a 1.0 product, it's remarkably polished.

00:48:50 ◼   ► And this might just be a factor of how long

00:48:52 ◼   ► they've been working on it internally.

00:48:54 ◼   ► But it's like, to me, the 3D-ness,

00:48:58 ◼   ► the way that the selected item pops towards you a little,

00:49:01 ◼   ► and the way that there is this parallax.

00:49:03 ◼   ► And there's also, like you said, if you're going to the left and you're selecting items

00:49:10 ◼   ► from the left to the right and you're still kind of pressing your thumb, you've stopped,

00:49:15 ◼   ► you're hovering on one, but you're still kind of got your thumb going a little to the right,

00:49:20 ◼   ► that's the way it tilts a little bit.

00:49:22 ◼   ► It's as though you're sort of pressing it to the right.

00:49:25 ◼   ► You can idly play with them.

00:49:27 ◼   ► I do, just because I'm like, "Oh yeah, do I want to watch this?"

00:49:29 ◼   ► I'm looking at the parallax effect.

00:49:32 ◼   ► Like often the text will pop from the front to the background,

00:49:35 ◼   ► or there'll be a couple layers in there.

00:49:36 ◼   ► - It's such a cool thing,

00:49:39 ◼   ► but it would be so easy to do too much,

00:49:41 ◼   ► to have it too strong.

00:49:43 ◼   ► And it's not, I feel like it is delightfully understated.

00:49:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, if anything, I think that the white shine

00:49:51 ◼   ► that they put on is a little bit too much, but whatever.

00:49:55 ◼   ► - It is funny though, because it is absolutely,

00:49:58 ◼   ► positively not flat, to use that overused term.

00:50:02 ◼   ► It is a very, very visually 3D effect.

00:50:06 ◼   ► The things really pop.

00:50:10 ◼   ► Yeah, while preserving some of the...

00:50:14 ◼   ► I guess it's difficult to explain it, but I mean, the elements are flat, but they're

00:50:18 ◼   ► stacked in a way such that it's clearly 3D. You know what I mean?

00:50:22 ◼   ► Like the settings icon looks almost

00:50:26 ◼   ► identical to the iOS icon, but it is stacked in a way so the gears are

00:50:31 ◼   ► like, they descend into space so you can see them move a bit. Yeah, and buttons are

00:50:38 ◼   ► definitely buttons. You go back and forth on this, I've kind of

00:50:46 ◼   ► gotten used to it with iOS 7, starting with iOS 7, the new look of iOS where a

00:50:51 ◼   ► a lot of buttons don't have an actual outline,

00:50:55 ◼   ► they're just text.

00:50:56 ◼   ► And it's almost like clicking,

00:50:58 ◼   ► more like clicking, tapping a hyperlink

00:51:01 ◼   ► than tapping a button.

00:51:02 ◼   ► And I can kind of see why they did that.

00:51:05 ◼   ► It's never quite sat right with me,

00:51:06 ◼   ► but I kind of have come to peace with it.

00:51:10 ◼   ► But I really like that on this new Apple TV

00:51:12 ◼   ► that buttons are buttons again.

00:51:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, they have like a pretty distinctive outline

00:51:17 ◼   ► and when you move on to one,

00:51:18 ◼   ► it makes a different sound.

00:51:20 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:51:21 ◼   ► As you navigate around the UI, you get sounds

00:51:23 ◼   ► for what you're selecting too, which is nice.

00:51:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, and it's really, in my opinion, well done again.

00:51:29 ◼   ► I think the old Apple TV sounds were pretty good too,

00:51:32 ◼   ► but I think that the tweaks that they've done

00:51:34 ◼   ► are all for the better.

00:51:36 ◼   ► And it just kind of, again, it's almost not like you're,

00:51:40 ◼   ► it's not over the top, it's not like a lot of beeping

00:51:43 ◼   ► and buzzing, it's just subtle little feedback

00:51:47 ◼   ► that it almost is like it helps you feel it.

00:51:50 ◼   ► it makes it feel like your finger can feel these buttons

00:51:52 ◼   ► because you're getting some kind of,

00:51:55 ◼   ► even though it's not like a force feedback on the remote,

00:51:59 ◼   ► you're getting some kind of sensual input.

00:52:03 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:52:04 ◼   ► I would love to see some kind of haptic feedback

00:52:08 ◼   ► in the remote eventually.

00:52:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think that's gotta come eventually,

00:52:11 ◼   ► especially it just seems like they're doing so much

00:52:15 ◼   ► so quickly, you know, the haptic stuff that they're doing is,

00:52:19 ◼   ► If you think about it, it's like we're just early days on it, really.

00:52:23 ◼   ► I mean, we're still in the first year of having a Force Touch trackpad.

00:52:29 ◼   ► They just came out with the first phones with the 3D Touch a month ago, right?

00:52:36 ◼   ► Six weeks ago.

00:52:38 ◼   ► The Watch only came out in April.

00:52:42 ◼   ► So the Watch was one of the first ones they came out with, but the Watch has really sort

00:52:45 ◼   ► the simplest implementation where it's really just, you know, is it a force touch or not?

00:52:49 ◼   ► It's not like a degree of force. So I think that's inevitable. I think it's got to be, you know,

00:52:54 ◼   ► whether it's next year or two years from now that there will be an Apple TV remote that has some kind of...

00:52:59 ◼   ► - Haptic, yeah. They don't need it super robust either. It's a smaller device, so you don't need to move it that...

00:53:06 ◼   ► You don't mean like the weight of the device is going to matter for the oscillator.

00:53:11 ◼   ► - Right, right, and in a way that,

00:53:15 ◼   ► the way that you're, like the big,

00:53:18 ◼   ► the only real, to me, the only real downside

00:53:20 ◼   ► to the Force Touch on the new iPhone 6s is,

00:53:23 ◼   ► 6s sounds so weird.

00:53:28 ◼   ► I'll just say 6s, or I'll say it like I write it,

00:53:30 ◼   ► iPhone's 6s, is that it made 'em way more,

00:53:35 ◼   ► like noticeably more, like about 20 grams more,

00:53:39 ◼   ► Apple doesn't really make things typically that get heavier.

00:53:45 ◼   ► I think it's worth it. But on the remote, a little bit more might actually make it even feel better.

00:53:50 ◼   ► The remote is so lightweight that if they have to add 20 grams to it to get force touch in there, so what?

00:53:57 ◼   ► Yeah. Well, also the engine won't have to be as forceful, right? Because it's got less to wiggle.

00:54:04 ◼   ► So anyway, I mean, that's a minor...

00:54:07 ◼   ► That's how excited I am. Now I'm like, "Oh, wouldn't it be cool if...

00:54:11 ◼   ► X." You know what I mean? It's not even a complaint. It's just like...

00:54:15 ◼   ► I would just say this. I would just go zoom back, big picture,

00:54:19 ◼   ► of the three...

00:54:23 ◼   ► I won't count the watch, because the watch to me is not really an OS.

00:54:27 ◼   ► It's sort of, you know, it's a watch.

00:54:31 ◼   ► Maybe I should, but of iOS, OS X, and Apple TV,

00:54:36 ◼   ► and they all have these new, if we start with iOS 7,

00:54:44 ◼   ► these new user interfaces, they're all using

00:54:47 ◼   ► the San Francisco system font.

00:54:49 ◼   ► I think that the Apple TV is the best designed one.

00:54:53 ◼   ► I just, and little things like what do the buttons look like,

00:54:59 ◼   ► what do the icons look like,

00:55:01 ◼   ► To me, it's the best, it's my favorite of them now.

00:55:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think I've done amazing.

00:55:08 ◼   ► - Maybe I'm judging that a little early.

00:55:09 ◼   ► Maybe if I, you know, a month from now

00:55:11 ◼   ► after I've really gotten used to it,

00:55:13 ◼   ► maybe I'll start to see more things to complain about.

00:55:16 ◼   ► But I feel like there are the least things in there

00:55:19 ◼   ► that I would really wish that they would do differently.

00:55:21 ◼   ► I don't really have any complaints like that.

00:55:23 ◼   ► I just think it's gorgeous and has such a great feel.

00:55:26 ◼   ► - Could also be because there's less to it, right?

00:55:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's possible too. - There's less to it.

00:55:30 ◼   ► But there's less UI. You don't have a complicated app, necessarily.

00:55:35 ◼   ► The way this focus engine thing works is that in code, it moves the focus

00:55:44 ◼   ► the way that the viewer is seeing the screen.

00:55:51 ◼   ► If you were to move right and there's a list to the right,

00:55:59 ◼   ► it would jump to where you would expect it to go as viewer, not programmatically, per se.

00:56:04 ◼   ► What's a good way of putting this?

00:56:11 ◼   ► So you can imagine having a button, like a view button, that was covered up by something else.

00:56:13 ◼   ► And if you press down, it would have selected the button logically in the code,

00:56:19 ◼   ► but something is covering it. It will instead pick the thing that's covering it.

00:56:24 ◼   ► Because that's the foremost on the screen.

00:56:26 ◼   ► It doesn't...man, sorry I'm trying to explain to you in a non-technical way,

00:56:34 ◼   ► but there's a way that you'd structure the code in all of these views that relate to each other,

00:56:39 ◼   ► and there's a hierarchy of views of what gets embedded in what.

00:56:44 ◼   ► But that isn't necessarily what gets presented on the screen,

00:56:47 ◼   ► because you could have stuff like popups showing up,

00:56:50 ◼   ► or things coming in from the side, or a view element is either hidden,

00:56:53 ◼   ► or its alpha value has gone to zero, it's become completely transparent.

00:56:59 ◼   ► And this focus engine will take all of that into account.

00:57:04 ◼   ► So it'll consider what the user is seeing rather than what the developer has written.

00:57:09 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that makes sense from a layperson.

00:57:12 ◼   ► I think people can kind of know what they mean by that.

00:57:15 ◼   ► In the code, or in--do they still call it interface builder?

00:57:21 ◼   ► interface builder what would you call yeah they still called IB interface

00:57:25 ◼   ► build but it's inside Xcode now right yeah that a lot of times these the the

00:57:32 ◼   ► the UI is almost it's like an outline where there are you know views that are

00:57:38 ◼   ► sub views and that you can effectively at a higher level you can just collapse

00:57:43 ◼   ► the whole thing like a section of an outline and just know that if you move

00:57:47 ◼   ► this thing around all of its subviews go with it and when you think of it that

00:57:51 ◼   ► way you can think of what would the outline considered to be next you know

00:57:57 ◼   ► it isn't that sort of what you're talking about like it would be like a

00:57:59 ◼   ► logical thing like you know that this is beneath it because it's the next thing

00:58:03 ◼   ► in this outline which has a linear view but it isn't related to this but the

00:58:08 ◼   ► visual layout right totally different yeah right and it would be like a

00:58:12 ◼   ► picture of a web page with like a three column web page this is a left-hand

00:58:15 ◼   ► There's the content and then there's whatever, the ads of stuff on the right.

00:58:20 ◼   ► Now imagine navigating with the focus.

00:58:25 ◼   ► If you pressed the down button, you'd be going down the left-hand side, the source list.

00:58:28 ◼   ► And then if you pressed right, you would jump over to the main content view.

00:58:32 ◼   ► Now, if a dialog box popped up, and you were in the left and you pressed right,

00:58:37 ◼   ► you would jump into the dialog box instead, because it's foremost.

00:58:41 ◼   ► foremost, it's more prominent.

00:58:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's, in the bottom line,

00:58:49 ◼   ► and I feel like it's, again, to overuse the word magic,

00:58:52 ◼   ► they have taken an input paradigm, the trackpad,

00:58:57 ◼   ► that is so much easier to conceptualize

00:59:02 ◼   ► if you're just moving a pointer on screen, right?

00:59:06 ◼   ► Just think of the arrow from Mac, that Mac arrow cursor.

00:59:10 ◼   ► Conceptually, that's super simple.

00:59:12 ◼   ► You move a thing and it moves exactly along with your finger.

00:59:18 ◼   ► And then it solves everything because whatever you tap on

00:59:22 ◼   ► is what's underneath the arrow.

00:59:23 ◼   ► So getting rid of the idea of a pointer is conceptually,

00:59:28 ◼   ► I would think, to implement it very, very difficult

00:59:30 ◼   ► because they've done it in a way that it has to--

00:59:34 ◼   ► normal people are never going to think about this.

00:59:37 ◼   ► Yeah, no, and you shouldn't.

00:59:38 ◼   ► And there's a fair amount of new stuff that they've added to UIKit

00:59:43 ◼   ► to support this notion of focus.

00:59:48 ◼   ► And it's unique to the platform.

00:59:53 ◼   ► It doesn't exist, doesn't even make sense on a phone or an iPad.

00:59:57 ◼   ► So I don't know, it's really cool.

01:00:02 ◼   ► Yeah, I really feel like they've knocked themselves out on it.

01:00:05 ◼   ► And I don't think they're going to get the recognition.

01:00:05 ◼   ► And they know that too, that it's like some of the stuff that works, it really requires

01:00:12 ◼   ► amazing engineering.

01:00:14 ◼   ► Everybody's just going to take it for granted very, very soon.

01:00:17 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean that's kind of the…

01:00:20 ◼   ► So we crapped all over the on-screen keyboard just the idea of it.

01:00:26 ◼   ► And it still is less than optimal.

01:00:28 ◼   ► But when you have to enter a password or something like that, or if you...

01:00:37 ◼   ► Like Netflix, like to turn on Netflix I had to enter our Netflix credentials.

01:00:42 ◼   ► There's no way around that.

01:00:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:44 ◼   ► That app's better too, by the way.

01:00:47 ◼   ► The Netflix app?

01:00:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:49 ◼   ► Actually, I guess there is a way around it.

01:00:50 ◼   ► We can talk about it.

01:00:51 ◼   ► Did you see that there's a net news wire for Apple TV?

01:00:55 ◼   ► I did.

01:00:56 ◼   ► I have not tried it out yet.

01:00:57 ◼   ► So it's, in a sense, so BlackPixel,

01:01:00 ◼   ► people who have NetNewswire now, did an Apple TV app.

01:01:03 ◼   ► I was surprised, I was like, it doesn't seem,

01:01:05 ◼   ► RSS does not seem like something I wanna do on my TV.

01:01:08 ◼   ► Having played with it, I think I'm right

01:01:11 ◼   ► that it's probably not something I wanna do on my TV,

01:01:13 ◼   ► but it may not have been that much work for them.

01:01:16 ◼   ► I don't know, but it's interesting.

01:01:18 ◼   ► But the thing that was the most interesting to me was

01:01:21 ◼   ► they have their own sync engine.

01:01:27 ◼   ► And so you can enter your email and password

01:01:28 ◼   ► in the Apple TV the old-fashioned way.

01:01:30 ◼   ► Or you can just launch iOS Net News Wire on your iPhone

01:01:34 ◼   ► if you're on the same Wi-Fi network.

01:01:36 ◼   ► And they tell you this.

01:01:39 ◼   ► Or you can just, the easier way would be to just launch

01:01:42 ◼   ► Net News Wire for iOS.

01:01:43 ◼   ► So I launched it on my iPhone.

01:01:45 ◼   ► And there on my iPhone I got a dialog box

01:01:48 ◼   ► with the option to grant the Apple TV app

01:01:53 ◼   ► on this, the name of my Apple TV.

01:01:56 ◼   ► my NetNewswire Sync, and I hit a button and it was there.

01:02:01 ◼   ► - Oh, that's great.

01:02:03 ◼   ► - So that's, you know what I mean?

01:02:04 ◼   ► Whether I'm actually gonna read RSS on my Apple TV,

01:02:08 ◼   ► to get Sync credentials across, that was great.

01:02:10 ◼   ► I wish Netflix would have had the same option.

01:02:12 ◼   ► Hopefully more and more apps will start doing stuff like that

01:02:16 ◼   ► so that you don't have to do it.

01:02:18 ◼   ► But anyway, when you do type on the new Apple TV,

01:02:21 ◼   ► I do think they've made the keyboard better

01:02:23 ◼   ► than the old one.

01:02:24 ◼   ► Like the old one that was arranged in a two-dimensional grid,

01:02:29 ◼   ► it was like A, B, C, D, E, F, and then next line,

01:02:34 ◼   ► whatever letter comes after F.

01:02:37 ◼   ► - G, it's G. - Is it?

01:02:41 ◼   ► I forget.

01:02:42 ◼   ► I often don't remember mid-alphabet.

01:02:46 ◼   ► I have to start from the beginning.

01:02:48 ◼   ► - I do it every time, yeah.

01:02:50 ◼   ► - I have to start from the beginning,

01:02:51 ◼   ► and I didn't feel like doing it.

01:02:52 ◼   ► - I don't want to admit that, but I do.

01:02:54 ◼   ► And sometimes I can always do it from the beginning, but sometimes I'm amazed by things.

01:03:00 ◼   ► I'm like, "Wow, S and T are really far back in the alphabet. I never thought of them as

01:03:06 ◼   ► being so far back."

01:03:07 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, they were pretty far back. Yeah, they really are.

01:03:12 ◼   ► Like those are, to me, those are big boy consonants. Like, you know, S is the most frequently used

01:03:17 ◼   ► consonant. T is, you know, super up there in frequency. You just think that they'd have,

01:03:21 ◼   ► you know, better seats.

01:03:22 ◼   ► Better position. Yeah, exactly.

01:03:24 ◼   ► I heard a man's got...

01:03:27 ◼   ► This show is just called "The Weeds" at this point.

01:03:29 ◼   ► I was watching TV the other night,

01:03:32 ◼   ► and they had somebody do a sobriety test.

01:03:34 ◼   ► It was like, say the alphabet backwards.

01:03:38 ◼   ► And I'm like, "Are you kidding me? I couldn't do that anyway."

01:03:43 ◼   ► I would... As we speak right now, I am stone cold sober.

01:03:49 ◼   ► I could not do that.

01:03:51 ◼   ► Z, Y. I'd have to--

01:03:55 ◼   ► I would have to do it, like, in-- think about it as, like,

01:03:57 ◼   ► a programming code.

01:03:58 ◼   ► It would be like you would--

01:04:01 ◼   ► you would flunk the student, because the algorithm

01:04:04 ◼   ► I would have to use--

01:04:05 ◼   ► I can do Z and Y. All right, X. I was going to say W.

01:04:10 ◼   ► X, Y, Z. So you get a--

01:04:11 ◼   ► I would, more or less, once I got past X to W,

01:04:14 ◼   ► I would have to redo the entire alphabet.

01:04:17 ◼   ► A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V.

01:04:21 ◼   ► - You would scan the entire thing.

01:04:22 ◼   ► Find the last one. - All right, and then I can go B.

01:04:25 ◼   ► I would not be able to pass that field sobriety test.

01:04:29 ◼   ► - No, yeah, but the actress rattled it off,

01:04:31 ◼   ► and I was like, well, okay, well,

01:04:33 ◼   ► I guess I've drank too much,

01:04:37 ◼   ► or this is just not realistic at all.

01:04:39 ◼   ► - In my head, too, honestly,

01:04:43 ◼   ► I'm not gonna sing here on the show,

01:04:45 ◼   ► but in my head, when I do the alphabet in my head,

01:04:47 ◼   ► I do it in the singsong.

01:04:49 ◼   ► - Singsong voice, yeah, of course.

01:04:51 ◼   ► You have to, yeah.

01:04:52 ◼   ► - It's just one of those things that I stopped caring about.

01:04:57 ◼   ► Like doing, I could do--

01:04:59 ◼   ► - I know, I feel like I got to a functional enough level

01:05:01 ◼   ► with it, and I'm like, okay, putting that aside.

01:05:04 ◼   ► - I can naturally do.

01:05:05 ◼   ► My brain, I do, I can naturally, without having to stress,

01:05:09 ◼   ► I can do pretty significant arithmetic in my head.

01:05:15 ◼   ► But I only do it because it is easy for me.

01:05:18 ◼   ► And I've been talking to Jonas about it.

01:05:20 ◼   ► Jonas isn't so good at arithmetic.

01:05:24 ◼   ► And I was like, you gotta do what you gotta do

01:05:27 ◼   ► to pass these tests.

01:05:27 ◼   ► You gotta study and you gotta work on this.

01:05:29 ◼   ► I was like, but in the long run in life,

01:05:31 ◼   ► this is a problem that computers have solved.

01:05:33 ◼   ► You have to understand the concepts to know what to do.

01:05:35 ◼   ► But if you can't do 647 minus 87 in your head,

01:05:40 ◼   ► don't worry about it.

01:05:41 ◼   ► You're gonna have a calculator with you

01:05:42 ◼   ► everywhere you go in your life.

01:05:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:05:44 ◼   ► That's good advice.

01:05:46 ◼   ► What you don't have is a sign with the alphabet on it.

01:05:51 ◼   ► Right.

01:05:52 ◼   ► But, so, alphabetization, for me, does not come naturally.

01:05:55 ◼   ► I don't do it.

01:05:56 ◼   ► But it's a solved problem, right?

01:05:57 ◼   ► My computer alphabetizes everything for me that I want alphabetized.

01:06:01 ◼   ► Why would I have to worry about it?

01:06:02 ◼   ► Well, if you go down and find a list view, do you…

01:06:05 ◼   ► You must know.

01:06:07 ◼   ► You instinctively know if you're too low or too high.

01:06:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:06:11 ◼   ► You know, if you're looking at the W, and you're like, "Do you go down to find that H?"

01:06:15 ◼   ► No, you'll go back up.

01:06:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:06:17 ◼   ► Yeah, as I'm looking at the list, I'm not like...

01:06:23 ◼   ► I'm not...

01:06:27 ◼   ► A good therapy for alphabets.

01:06:30 ◼   ► I'm not like...

01:06:33 ◼   ► I'm not bad at alphabetizing. I just can't do it all in my head automatically.

01:06:38 ◼   ► I can't quite remember with K before L or L after K unless I look at it in a list.

01:06:45 ◼   ► But I kind of know basically where they are.

01:06:47 ◼   ► Yeah. The neighborhood.

01:06:49 ◼   ► [laughter]

01:06:51 ◼   ► Let's go back to talking about accounting.

01:06:53 ◼   ► [laughter]

01:06:57 ◼   ► No, the UI. UI for Apple TV. It's really, really well done.

01:07:02 ◼   ► I think they've done a good job, and I think it's got legs, too. I think this is going to...

01:07:07 ◼   ► I don't think it's going to run out of possibilities.

01:07:10 ◼   ► So the difference, I was talking about the keyboard, and the old one was a grid, and

01:07:14 ◼   ► you'd have to go up, down, left, and right to select letters.

01:07:18 ◼   ► And it wouldn't go, you couldn't go right to go down to the next row.

01:07:24 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:07:25 ◼   ► Yeah, it would bump you out into the next few.

01:07:27 ◼   ► Right.

01:07:28 ◼   ► If you were at the top right of the grid, I would think going right would move you down,

01:07:32 ◼   ► move the selection to the next letter in the alphabet.

01:07:35 ◼   ► but it wouldn't, it would just sort of like beep at you

01:07:36 ◼   ► or something.

01:07:37 ◼   ► So the new one is just a straight list

01:07:42 ◼   ► across the screen from A to Z.

01:07:45 ◼   ► And so all you do is go left, right.

01:07:49 ◼   ► But one of the things I noticed is,

01:07:52 ◼   ► and I think it's really cool,

01:07:53 ◼   ► is as you move the selection for which letter it is,

01:07:56 ◼   ► it's not just one, like the rectangle highlighting

01:08:00 ◼   ► the selection moves a little bit

01:08:02 ◼   ► as you move your finger on the trackpad.

01:08:06 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:08:06 ◼   ► Does that make sense?

01:08:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's leading a bit.

01:08:09 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:08:10 ◼   ► - It's ready to go to the next one.

01:08:11 ◼   ► And then when you let go, it'll come back to rest

01:08:13 ◼   ► like on the left that you--

01:08:14 ◼   ► - Right, so if you're pressing a little bit to the left

01:08:16 ◼   ► on the trackpad, the selection range will be a little bit

01:08:19 ◼   ► more like leaning towards the next letter of the left,

01:08:22 ◼   ► but you still haven't moved your thumb far enough

01:08:24 ◼   ► to actually move it to the next letter.

01:08:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, it feels very visceral.

01:08:28 ◼   ► - Yes, exactly.

01:08:29 ◼   ► It has a real visceral feel to it

01:08:31 ◼   ► that it makes it, you know, so for all the crapping

01:08:34 ◼   ► I've done about on-screen keyboards in general,

01:08:36 ◼   ► I feel like the one that they've built for this

01:08:38 ◼   ► is a nice, is about as good as it could get.

01:08:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm not,

01:08:43 ◼   ► I don't know what more you could have done.

01:08:44 ◼   ► Like you've got basically a D-pad, or like a track pad,

01:08:48 ◼   ► and like 24 letters plus all of the 26 letters,

01:08:52 ◼   ► however many letters.

01:08:53 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:08:55 ◼   ► - People are gonna, this is like the episode.

01:08:57 ◼   ► - Wow.

01:08:58 ◼   ► - The episode where we reveal ourselves

01:09:00 ◼   ► the dumbest people ever. The point I wanted to make was, so if you long press or if you hold

01:09:09 ◼   ► letter, you get the capital letters and the letters with accents. Oh man, I didn't know that.

01:09:15 ◼   ► Yeah, is there another way of doing it? Yeah, they go down to the bottom and you can,

01:09:20 ◼   ► it's like more or less switching to all caps. Okay, yeah. There's like a capital A, capital B,

01:09:25 ◼   ► capital C, and then there's the next one over is lowercase a, lowercase b, lowercase c. Okay,

01:09:29 ◼   ► I just tried the long press first and it worked.

01:09:32 ◼   ► I should have tried that. See, that's my failing, not theirs.

01:09:35 ◼   ► Because that seems like if I had to guess...

01:09:38 ◼   ► This is like the problem of talking about it with only one day of using it.

01:09:43 ◼   ► But that exactly makes sense. Brilliant.

01:09:46 ◼   ► Yeah. So it works way better and it's nice.

01:09:50 ◼   ► And you're still going back and forth through the alphabet, but it's not that big a deal.

01:09:54 ◼   ► I got actually pretty quick at doing that grid.

01:09:57 ◼   ► Like remember when we were kids and you'd have to type in codes?

01:10:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:10:02 ◼   ► And you'd get really good at it?

01:10:04 ◼   ► I got pretty good at like navigating that grid on the Apple TV.

01:10:08 ◼   ► You mean like codes like to...

01:10:12 ◼   ► Oh yeah, sorry, like a code for like an arcade game, like a Nintendo game.

01:10:15 ◼   ► Like, put in your code, your save code.

01:10:18 ◼   ► And you'd have to... they would have like a similar grid of letters and numbers.

01:10:23 ◼   ► Yeah, or remember when you used to get to enter three initials for a high score?

01:10:27 ◼   ► Right.

01:10:28 ◼   ► Right.

01:10:29 ◼   ► Man, those are the days.

01:10:30 ◼   ► What were your three initials?

01:10:31 ◼   ► GTE?

01:10:32 ◼   ► Uh, I think I would just put guy.

01:10:34 ◼   ► That's pretty good, yeah, that's pretty good.

01:10:38 ◼   ► I've mentioned this before.

01:10:39 ◼   ► Mine was GRU.

01:10:42 ◼   ► That's a good one.

01:10:43 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know.

01:10:44 ◼   ► It just came to me early on and I thought it's better than the initials.

01:10:49 ◼   ► I have to admit, I don't think I got on the high scores that much.

01:10:53 ◼   ► I did on Star Wars.

01:10:54 ◼   ► Oh, of course you did.

01:10:56 ◼   ► Although on Star Wars, the coin-op Star Wars, the first three, every time you reset the machine,

01:11:02 ◼   ► the first three were built in, they're in the ROM and they're incredibly high.

01:11:07 ◼   ► So if you just bought, had a brand new Star Wars coin-op game,

01:11:12 ◼   ► and you played it the first time, the best you could probably do is to be fourth.

01:11:17 ◼   ► the top three were, it was like, one of them was like,

01:11:20 ◼   ► they were like in-jokes, like one of them was OBI.

01:11:23 ◼   ► - Oh, that's cool.

01:11:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, but I thought that they were so high

01:11:27 ◼   ► that they were impossible, and then one time

01:11:28 ◼   ► I was in an arcade and I saw, it was like the first time,

01:11:31 ◼   ► like I thought I was the baddest ass at Star Wars

01:11:33 ◼   ► who'd ever lived, 'cause there was no internet,

01:11:35 ◼   ► so you couldn't, you never found out about the people

01:11:38 ◼   ► who were really good at games.

01:11:40 ◼   ► And I was just waiting for the machine,

01:11:42 ◼   ► and I was like, Christ, how many games

01:11:44 ◼   ► is this guy gonna play?

01:11:45 ◼   ► And I like, look, and he had like this score

01:11:50 ◼   ► that boggled my mind, and he was at a level

01:11:53 ◼   ► that I didn't think you'd ever be able to get to.

01:11:55 ◼   ► And I was just like, oh, I'm actually not very good

01:12:00 ◼   ► at this game at all.

01:12:02 ◼   ► - That was a great game, though.

01:12:04 ◼   ► - It was a good game.

01:12:06 ◼   ► Vector graphics.

01:12:10 ◼   ► All right, the keyboard's good, the focus section.

01:12:14 ◼   ► Video playback, so this is the part,

01:12:18 ◼   ► I mentioned this before, so when you fast forward

01:12:21 ◼   ► and rewind and scrub the video, it is so good.

01:12:24 ◼   ► It is, to me, everything that they promised on stage.

01:12:27 ◼   ► It works great in Apple's app,

01:12:33 ◼   ► like when you play the movies and TV shows

01:12:36 ◼   ► that you get from iTunes.

01:12:37 ◼   ► It's available, this is what I've been told,

01:12:40 ◼   ► It is available to developers,

01:12:42 ◼   ► and they encourage all developers to do it,

01:12:43 ◼   ► but they can't, it's not like every app

01:12:46 ◼   ► will do it right automatically.

01:12:48 ◼   ► Like somebody could make like a streaming app

01:12:50 ◼   ► that doesn't use the best APIs for this,

01:12:54 ◼   ► or that maybe the server that's sending the streaming video

01:12:56 ◼   ► doesn't do something that they need to have happen.

01:12:58 ◼   ► So there might be, I haven't seen any yet,

01:13:00 ◼   ► but I haven't played with a lot

01:13:01 ◼   ► of the third-party video apps yet.

01:13:03 ◼   ► But it seemed as though they were sort of bracing me

01:13:07 ◼   ► for the fact that maybe in some third-party apps video,

01:13:10 ◼   ► the scrubbing of the video isn't going to be as awesome as it is in Apple's.

01:13:15 ◼   ► But it could be. They're not using APIs that aren't available to third-party apps,

01:13:18 ◼   ► but developers might have to do some work on that.

01:13:22 ◼   ► Yeah, I would imagine that that's a collaboration between the backend server stuff and the app itself.

01:13:25 ◼   ► Because you do have to, at some point when you start doing the scrubbing,

01:13:32 ◼   ► you need to see where the thumbnail.

01:13:36 ◼   ► So it's got to come from somewhere.

01:13:38 ◼   ► So it's probably kind of difficult to coordinate.

01:13:42 ◼   ► And some apps may just do raw streaming.

01:13:44 ◼   ► - Yeah. - I think the Apple TV app

01:13:47 ◼   ► reads ahead as much as it can, basically.

01:13:50 ◼   ► - Right, but I will say this,

01:13:52 ◼   ► 'cause we watched a movie last night on Netflix.

01:13:54 ◼   ► It was exactly, it was like,

01:13:56 ◼   ► we're right out of a commercial for Apple TV,

01:14:01 ◼   ► where we wanted, 'cause it's Halloween season,

01:14:04 ◼   ► so we wanted to watch a scary movie.

01:14:05 ◼   ► So we were gonna watch Scream and ask Siri for,

01:14:10 ◼   ► show me the movie Scream.

01:14:14 ◼   ► And we'd already entered our Netflix password.

01:14:17 ◼   ► And the first thing that came up was Netflix had the movie

01:14:22 ◼   ► and they prioritize free.

01:14:24 ◼   ► So if there's a way in one of the apps

01:14:27 ◼   ► you've configured on Apple TV

01:14:29 ◼   ► to watch what you're looking for for free,

01:14:31 ◼   ► that will be the first option.

01:14:32 ◼   ► So it's not just that they show third party options.

01:14:35 ◼   ► They will show them before Apple's own option

01:14:40 ◼   ► just because they prioritize free.

01:14:44 ◼   ► Like they-- - That's good.

01:14:45 ◼   ► That's really good.

01:14:46 ◼   ► - I mentioned-- - Some things I like

01:14:47 ◼   ► about Apple is that they do actually.

01:14:49 ◼   ► - I mentioned it last night when it worked like that.

01:14:52 ◼   ► I was like, they told me that it would prioritize free.

01:14:54 ◼   ► And Amy, that gave me like,

01:14:57 ◼   ► you're actually gonna praise them for doing the obvious,

01:15:01 ◼   ► for not trying to charge you four dollars for a movie you could watch for

01:15:04 ◼   ► you should be able to watch for free because you have netflix

01:15:08 ◼   ► and i was like well she has a point but i mean

01:15:11 ◼   ► it's i guess yeah we are so jaded and accustomed to companies but i mean

01:15:18 ◼   ► i would not have been surprised at all if they if if they had

01:15:22 ◼   ► prioritized itunes you know or at least you know not prioritized but yeah well i

01:15:25 ◼   ► guess whoever's first is prioritized if itunes was always first

01:15:29 ◼   ► I would not have been shocked at all. In fact, I remember having a similar thing years ago.

01:15:33 ◼   ► I invented a movie, I forget which one, and then months later

01:15:37 ◼   ► I went to go and watch it again. So I invented it again.

01:15:41 ◼   ► And iTunes or the TV came back and told me

01:15:45 ◼   ► "You invented this before. Are you sure you want to do it?"

01:15:49 ◼   ► I'm like, "Oh, that's super nice of you. Yes, I do. But thank you for

01:15:53 ◼   ► not just taking me my money."

01:15:57 ◼   ► easily just taking the money and being like, "Well, I guess you want to watch it again."

01:16:00 ◼   ► Right. And you know that somewhere inside Apple there's somebody who probably,

01:16:04 ◼   ► somebody who works for iTunes who probably was, somebody had to at least advocate for it a little.

01:16:09 ◼   ► Like, you know it was probably a debate inside. Yeah. Well, I mean, that doesn't just happen

01:16:13 ◼   ► either. Like, they have to go check, "Have I ever rented this movie before?" Like, that's cool.

01:16:19 ◼   ► That, you know, like somebody took active measures to make that a feature.

01:16:25 ◼   ► Right, because every single alert along the way, you know, they definitely, you know,

01:16:29 ◼   ► it's a terrible experience if it's too easy to accidentally rent something. Terrible.

01:16:33 ◼   ► And even Apple, nobody's, no company is so greedy that they want people to be angry at

01:16:37 ◼   ► them. So, they're, you know, I don't know that any, there's ever been a video on demand

01:16:42 ◼   ► platform that makes it too easy to rent something by accident. But yeah, that's an extra nice

01:16:47 ◼   ► step. And I feel like on this, on the new Apple TV, by being willing to say, "Hey,

01:16:51 ◼   ► You've got HBO Go and this movie is,

01:16:56 ◼   ► in HBO's current selection of movies,

01:16:58 ◼   ► you could just watch it there for free.

01:17:00 ◼   ► By making that the first option,

01:17:02 ◼   ► you know that again, there was probably somebody there

01:17:04 ◼   ► on the iTunes team who was like,

01:17:05 ◼   ► "Aw, come on, naw, let's put iTunes first."

01:17:08 ◼   ► And it's, you know, I'm glad they didn't do it.

01:17:10 ◼   ► It comes back to the old,

01:17:12 ◼   ► the thing we often come back to when talking about Apple,

01:17:14 ◼   ► that of the three people that Apple generally

01:17:17 ◼   ► has to think about, Apple themselves,

01:17:19 ◼   ► and what's in the best interest of the company.

01:17:22 ◼   ► They're users, the people who buy the products, and then last, developers.

01:17:27 ◼   ► That they do want to do well by all three, but the order tends to be

01:17:31 ◼   ► Apple first, user second, developer's third.

01:17:35 ◼   ► Here's a case where I think they're putting a user first.

01:17:41 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:17:43 ◼   ► I guess...

01:17:47 ◼   ► Well, yeah, I guess. I mean, they're putting the happiness of the users ahead, because they think that that's a longer term.

01:17:52 ◼   ► And art for their own success, right?

01:17:54 ◼   ► And arguably developers, too, right? So, like, you know, Netflix is a developer.

01:17:59 ◼   ► And the fact that Netflix can get their thing listed before iTunes's version of the same movie is good for them.

01:18:07 ◼   ► I think it's, you know, I'm not surprised, you know, it seems obvious, you know, it made my wife roll her eyes,

01:18:14 ◼   ► because it seems so obvious that this is the way it should be.

01:18:18 ◼   ► But you just know that there's a lot of little decisions

01:18:20 ◼   ► that Apple sometimes makes that don't

01:18:23 ◼   ► show that sort of priority.

01:18:24 ◼   ► Right.

01:18:26 ◼   ► So yeah, that was cool.

01:18:28 ◼   ► How do you like the Netflix app?

01:18:29 ◼   ► I thought it was great.

01:18:32 ◼   ► And I always thought that the old Apple TV Netflix app

01:18:35 ◼   ► was sort of crap.

01:18:37 ◼   ► And what else do we have?

01:18:40 ◼   ► Like Netflix, because Netflix is so device agnostic, right?

01:18:44 ◼   ► They've got no box of their own.

01:18:46 ◼   ► There's no Netflix box.

01:18:47 ◼   ► So they just wanna be everywhere, right?

01:18:49 ◼   ► They're built into TVs.

01:18:51 ◼   ► I was at a family member's house

01:18:53 ◼   ► for a kid's birthday party or something a couple months ago.

01:18:58 ◼   ► And somebody had Netflix built into their TV.

01:19:01 ◼   ► Like it wasn't like a box connected to their TV.

01:19:04 ◼   ► Like their TV--

01:19:04 ◼   ► - I have that.

01:19:05 ◼   ► I have that.

01:19:06 ◼   ► I could do Netflix on my TV.

01:19:07 ◼   ► I would any, which is bananas.

01:19:10 ◼   ► - It doesn't make any sense to me

01:19:11 ◼   ► because I don't, I'm just out of touch

01:19:13 ◼   ► on how computerized TVs are out of the box.

01:19:16 ◼   ► So Netflix is everywhere,

01:19:19 ◼   ► and with varying degrees of quality.

01:19:21 ◼   ► But I've always thought Apple TV

01:19:22 ◼   ► was actually one of the worst ones.

01:19:24 ◼   ► It just seemed a little, I don't know, half-assed.

01:19:29 ◼   ► - So I'm not sure how much it could have done,

01:19:33 ◼   ► because all of the old Apple stuff was basically this,

01:19:36 ◼   ► it's like a markdown language.

01:19:39 ◼   ► Sort of like HTML, but specifically just for doing

01:19:42 ◼   ► those kind of Apple TV apps, which is why they all kind of look the same and

01:19:46 ◼   ► we're kind of bland. Well, I always thought though that their streaming

01:19:49 ◼   ► wasn't that great either. Yeah. I mean if you just hit play and you wait a couple

01:19:55 ◼   ► seconds and then just play it right through it goes but you know you couldn't

01:19:58 ◼   ► fast forward or rewind worth a shit. Yeah, I think I just gave up trying to be

01:20:02 ◼   ► honest. Well, and I'm trying to remember the last time I was frustrated by that

01:20:06 ◼   ► and then I'm actually thinking like you know what I just don't think I bother.

01:20:09 ◼   ► Well, and who wonders how long Netflix has been working with Apple on the new Apple TV?

01:20:15 ◼   ► Because we know that the Apple TV, this Apple TV, the new one, the good one, has been in the works for a while.

01:20:21 ◼   ► And it seems like Apple and Netflix have a pretty good relationship for companies that more or less could be seen as competitors.

01:20:29 ◼   ► I'm not aware of any weird animosity stuff.

01:20:35 ◼   ► Netflix was there day one. They were on the phone. They were on everywhere.

01:20:39 ◼   ► And Netflix was on the old Apple TV very early on as one of the very first third-party partners that got that sort of relationship.

01:20:47 ◼   ► Yeah, I have a feeling that Netflix thinks its fight is with HBO.

01:20:51 ◼   ► Yeah, definitely.

01:20:53 ◼   ► And it doesn't want it, you can't fight a two-front war, right?

01:20:57 ◼   ► Like you can't take on all of the technology players and

01:20:59 ◼   ► like people like HBO or AMC in that.

01:21:01 ◼   ► >> Yeah.

01:21:02 ◼   ► Well, I think it's partly with HBO, but then there's a bunch of HBOs now.

01:21:07 ◼   ► And I also think that what Netflix sees is that one of their biggest

01:21:13 ◼   ► competitors is the fact that there's only so much time in the day.

01:21:19 ◼   ► And it's really that they've got a fight to make it worth your time, you know, that for a couple of hours every month, you're going to find something good to watch on Netflix.

01:21:28 ◼   ► Yeah, that's huge. And that way of looking at media is super interesting too, because that means video games can gobble up your TV.

01:21:36 ◼   ► Right. Just the amount of time, yeah. Just the amount of--there's only so much--everybody's got to go to sleep at some point.

01:21:43 ◼   ► finite amount of time and what are they going to do?

01:21:45 ◼   ► Well, if it's messing around on Twitter, then guess what?

01:21:47 ◼   ► They're not watching whatever it is,

01:21:50 ◼   ► your friends' reruns or something.

01:21:51 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:21:53 ◼   ► So I don't know, I think that the video playback is great

01:21:55 ◼   ► and I know that it's going to be,

01:21:57 ◼   ► I'll take it for granted soon enough,

01:21:59 ◼   ► but at this point, I'm just,

01:22:00 ◼   ► I'm thrilled every time I fast forward and rewind.

01:22:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, it is really good.

01:22:05 ◼   ► They've done an amazing job with this little device.

01:22:07 ◼   ► Oh, did you, this is a weird one

01:22:09 ◼   ► that you probably didn't notice.

01:22:11 ◼   ► go to the main menu.

01:22:15 ◼   ► Okay. Home screen. Just put the remote down for, wait a bit.

01:22:19 ◼   ► Everything will dim, except for the icon that you've got focused.

01:22:23 ◼   ► It'll have like a spotlight on it. And then as soon

01:22:27 ◼   ► as you move the remote, move it, just nudge it,

01:22:31 ◼   ► the screen won't go back to normal. And they're using the accelerometer

01:22:35 ◼   ► inside the remote. Right. And when you put it down like on a coffee table or

01:22:39 ◼   ► or a couch, it is perfectly still.

01:22:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly.

01:22:42 ◼   ► - So even like the difference between being perfectly still

01:22:47 ◼   ► because it's resting on your coffee table

01:22:48 ◼   ► versus it's in your hand, but you're not moving your hand,

01:22:52 ◼   ► it knows that it's in your hand.

01:22:54 ◼   ► - Exactly, it's just really nice.

01:22:57 ◼   ► It's a weird little touch, but it's just really cool.

01:22:59 ◼   ► Also, I love that they put an accelerometer in that thing.

01:23:03 ◼   ► For no apparent reason that we can see from the UI, right?

01:23:08 ◼   ► Right?

01:23:09 ◼   ► Yeah, well not in their UI, but it's obviously, you know, we can get into games, you know,

01:23:14 ◼   ► later as we work towards the end of this.

01:23:17 ◼   ► But I wonder though, I wonder though if they would have put an accelerometer in the remote

01:23:22 ◼   ► if they hadn't been thinking about games.

01:23:24 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:23:26 ◼   ► I mean, why do they use it?

01:23:27 ◼   ► They don't use it.

01:23:28 ◼   ► Except for that nice little touch.

01:23:30 ◼   ► So I don't know.

01:23:34 ◼   ► I'm super happy that they put it in there.

01:23:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:23:37 ◼   ► What do you think about the screensavers?

01:23:40 ◼   ► I love them. I think they're so gorgeous. They're like hypnotic.

01:23:43 ◼   ► Yeah, I can't get enough of them.

01:23:45 ◼   ► I have a...

01:23:47 ◼   ► My old screensaver is a shared thing, but it's just photos of

01:23:53 ◼   ► Indy, like Vicky's dog, basically.

01:23:55 ◼   ► And he's so cute, so I love watching that.

01:23:57 ◼   ► But I feel kind of bad, because now I just leave the standard city screen

01:24:02 ◼   ► viewers, screensavers.

01:24:04 ◼   ► And they are gorgeous.

01:24:07 ◼   ► I don't know how they shot those, but it's amazing.

01:24:09 ◼   ► Yeah, there's something.

01:24:11 ◼   ► It would be a great-- well, they're Apple,

01:24:14 ◼   ► so maybe they won't.

01:24:15 ◼   ► But with new Apple, you never know.

01:24:16 ◼   ► It would be interesting if they did

01:24:18 ◼   ► one of those little behind the scenes things

01:24:20 ◼   ► that they sometimes do and just showed how they made them.

01:24:23 ◼   ► Because it really caught Jonas's eye, too.

01:24:26 ◼   ► He even asked the question, how did they do this?

01:24:28 ◼   ► Because it somehow looks different than the footage

01:24:32 ◼   ► that you typically see shot out of like a helicopter.

01:24:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know if it's drones or if it's a helicopter,

01:24:40 ◼   ► but shot at a super high frame rate.

01:24:42 ◼   ► - Right.

01:24:43 ◼   ► - But it's not actually, 'cause you can see cars

01:24:44 ◼   ► driving down the street at some point.

01:24:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, there's definitely some kind of high frame rate,

01:24:50 ◼   ► but it definitely is not like a static image.

01:24:54 ◼   ► I guess it's drones?

01:24:55 ◼   ► The New York Times had a piece this week

01:24:59 ◼   ► on the way that Greenland is melting at an alarming rate.

01:25:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:25:04 ◼   ► And the team of researchers from, I

01:25:08 ◼   ► think it was like the University of Wisconsin, whoever it was,

01:25:10 ◼   ► doing this.

01:25:12 ◼   ► It was an amazing story just to hear about what they're doing

01:25:15 ◼   ► and the danger, just the danger of going up there

01:25:18 ◼   ► and having this water rush by.

01:25:20 ◼   ► Like if the ice you're standing on

01:25:22 ◼   ► to measure the temperature of the water cracked and went in,

01:25:24 ◼   ► you-- like they said, the chance of death is 100%.

01:25:28 ◼   ► There's nothing that anybody would be able to do to save you.

01:25:31 ◼   ► Kind of terrifying.

01:25:33 ◼   ► Certainly has a sense of being at the end of the world.

01:25:36 ◼   ► You're up here and all you see is ice and stuff like that.

01:25:40 ◼   ► So it's a great story in general, really interesting,

01:25:42 ◼   ► fascinating.

01:25:42 ◼   ► But the thing that really captivated me

01:25:44 ◼   ► was the video footage they had from these drones.

01:25:47 ◼   ► And it just occurred to me-- and they

01:25:49 ◼   ► were talking about the budget concerns

01:25:50 ◼   ► that these scientists have, that they're using taxpayer money.

01:25:55 ◼   ► And it's just really, really tight budget.

01:25:58 ◼   ► Like, every single dollar had to be accounted for just to get--

01:26:02 ◼   ► and some of the stuff is so expensive.

01:26:04 ◼   ► It was like $5,000 an hour for the helicopter that drove them to--

01:26:08 ◼   ► or flew them to where they were going.

01:26:11 ◼   ► It just occurred to me that even just like 10 years ago,

01:26:13 ◼   ► there's no way they would have gotten any kind of aerial video footage.

01:26:17 ◼   ► Because of-- drones have absolutely fundamentally

01:26:22 ◼   ► changed the type of footage we get.

01:26:25 ◼   ► it's like video footage that would have cost,

01:26:28 ◼   ► that would have been like in the budget

01:26:29 ◼   ► of like a $20 million documentary film.

01:26:33 ◼   ► Now a team of university researchers

01:26:35 ◼   ► can get just as good at footage.

01:26:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's pretty amazing.

01:26:39 ◼   ► - There is a certain smoothness to drone footage

01:26:41 ◼   ► that I guess that's what Apple use,

01:26:43 ◼   ► but I don't know, these screensavers are--

01:26:45 ◼   ► - They look great, yeah.

01:26:47 ◼   ► Did you hear, just because we're in the weeds here,

01:26:50 ◼   ► researchers were using drones

01:26:54 ◼   ► to check out bears hibernating,

01:26:56 ◼   ► but the drones would wake them up.

01:26:57 ◼   ► - Oh.

01:26:58 ◼   ► - So we screwed up a bunch of bears.

01:27:01 ◼   ► - It's like some kind of Heisenberg joke insert there.

01:27:08 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:27:10 ◼   ► And it's funny too to think about,

01:27:13 ◼   ► 'cause I'll bet the bears were annoyed.

01:27:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's this buzzing thing hanging around here.

01:27:18 ◼   ► Of course you're gonna be like, what is this?

01:27:20 ◼   ► This is not natural.

01:27:22 ◼   ► - Bears just seem like the type of animal

01:27:24 ◼   ► just don't want to annoy.

01:27:26 ◼   ► (laughs)

01:27:27 ◼   ► - So you send a robot to do it for you.

01:27:29 ◼   ► - Right.

01:27:30 ◼   ► Like imagine if you were on a hike

01:27:31 ◼   ► and you had nothing to do with the drones

01:27:33 ◼   ► or the research, you're just in bear country.

01:27:35 ◼   ► (laughs)

01:27:36 ◼   ► And now there's like a bunch of angry bears

01:27:38 ◼   ► that got woken up in the middle of their hibernation.

01:27:42 ◼   ► - Oops.

01:27:45 ◼   ► - I've always been a little jealous of bears.

01:27:49 ◼   ► - Why, 'cause the people they can--

01:27:51 ◼   ► - Hibernating sounds like the best thing.

01:27:55 ◼   ► Like, doesn't that just seem great?

01:27:57 ◼   ► Like, just skip winter.

01:27:59 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:28:00 ◼   ► - You just skip it.

01:28:01 ◼   ► - Sounds pretty luxurious.

01:28:02 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:28:03 ◼   ► - I mean, I'm sure like the realities of it are not great,

01:28:05 ◼   ► but...

01:28:06 ◼   ► - Oh man, I bet, you know,

01:28:08 ◼   ► they've got all that fat in the fur.

01:28:10 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:28:10 ◼   ► - They're nice and warm.

01:28:11 ◼   ► I think, you know, it's like getting to be like,

01:28:14 ◼   ► you know, late November, starting to get cold.

01:28:16 ◼   ► You make one good kill, have a good meal.

01:28:20 ◼   ► And then you're like, you know what?

01:28:21 ◼   ► - You know what, that was it.

01:28:23 ◼   ► You're like, that was it, that was a good rabbit

01:28:25 ◼   ► I just ate and then you just go and next thing you know,

01:28:27 ◼   ► man, you just sleep for four months.

01:28:29 ◼   ► That'd be awesome.

01:28:30 ◼   ► - That does sound pretty good.

01:28:32 ◼   ► - I read, I do remember reading once

01:28:35 ◼   ► 'cause I'm fascinated by it, by hibernation.

01:28:40 ◼   ► I wish I could, I would do it.

01:28:41 ◼   ► That'd be great, just shut the daring fireball down

01:28:43 ◼   ► for four months just, you know, hibernating.

01:28:46 ◼   ► I'll just put up a thing, you know, sleeping.

01:28:49 ◼   ► And then just wake up and it's spring, right?

01:28:50 ◼   ► You just skip all the no sunshine, skip the sun going down at five at night, skip the cold temperature.

01:28:59 ◼   ► It is weird. Do they wake up ever?

01:29:01 ◼   ► Yeah, they do. That's the thing I was going to say. They don't actually sleep continuously for four months.

01:29:06 ◼   ► They do wake up and take a piss every once in a while.

01:29:10 ◼   ► Oh, so they even move?

01:29:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:29:13 ◼   ► Oh, okay. So it means...

01:29:15 ◼   ► Well, that makes sense.

01:29:18 ◼   ► it's like the equivalent of waking up in the middle of the night though and going

01:29:21 ◼   ► to the bathroom. Yeah, and then just going back. Just on a four-month schedule. You

01:29:25 ◼   ► just wake up and you know maybe get it. Man, that sounds like the lap of luxury.

01:29:29 ◼   ► Get a drink of water. Yeah, that does sound pretty good. I just like sleeping.

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01:33:38 ◼   ► All right, what else we got on Apple TV?

01:33:42 ◼   ► Oh, here's one I noticed, and speaking of games.

01:33:48 ◼   ► Here's one I noticed, and I can't believe,

01:33:52 ◼   ► this one is maybe the first thing that I encountered

01:33:55 ◼   ► that surprised me.

01:33:56 ◼   ► So we did the thing like I talked about, where we,

01:34:00 ◼   ► okay, you have a new Apple TV, use your iPhone,

01:34:04 ◼   ► and it'll send your WiFi password and your Apple ID

01:34:08 ◼   ► and stuff like that.

01:34:09 ◼   ► All work great, but for Game Center,

01:34:12 ◼   ► that means that our Apple TV is me.

01:34:15 ◼   ► And when we launch a game that is Game Center integration,

01:34:18 ◼   ► it says, "Hello, Gruber."

01:34:19 ◼   ► And it doesn't seem like there's any easy way to switch.

01:34:23 ◼   ► Like it seems to me like it oughta be like PS4 and Xbox,

01:34:28 ◼   ► where you can set up multiple profiles

01:34:31 ◼   ► that Jonas can easily, when he's playing a game, easily switch to his Apple ID and not

01:34:37 ◼   ► have to log out and log in and type his password, which is ridiculous. It seems like you should

01:34:42 ◼   ► be able to have multiple Game Center profiles. I understand why you don't on an iOS device,

01:34:46 ◼   ► because they're designed to be personal. And I know that a lot of people wish that the

01:34:51 ◼   ► iPad in particular could have multiple user accounts. But that's just not how they're

01:34:56 ◼   ► designed. But Apple TV, by definition, is designed to be used by everybody who lives

01:35:00 ◼   ► in the same household. I agree. I think it's a big oversight. I'm really surprised. I mean,

01:35:05 ◼   ► I can't help but think that they know about it. And even given all the time that they've

01:35:08 ◼   ► spent working on it, I just can't help but hope that this is just, "Well, we didn't get

01:35:13 ◼   ► to that yet." Yeah. Well, I have to assume it's "we didn't get to that yet." But I'm

01:35:17 ◼   ► not entirely sure how closely tied the Game Center account is to your Apple ID. If you

01:35:24 ◼   ► switch to the Game Center account, it should be totally separate, right? It is. Yeah. And

01:35:29 ◼   ► You can also do the same thing like with the iPhone.

01:35:33 ◼   ► You can have a different iTunes store account

01:35:35 ◼   ► from your iCloud account.

01:35:38 ◼   ► So if you, like I do, like a dummy,

01:35:41 ◼   ► I have an Apple ID that I use for iCloud.

01:35:44 ◼   ► This is the thing I get email from.

01:35:45 ◼   ► It's the address where you can send me iMessages.

01:35:48 ◼   ► But I have a different account for my store purchases.

01:35:52 ◼   ► I think there's a lot of, like,

01:35:53 ◼   ► people who've been using iTunes

01:35:54 ◼   ► since the early days of the store,

01:35:55 ◼   ► a lot of people might have that type of setup.

01:35:57 ◼   ► - It's weird.

01:35:58 ◼   ► I started with an iTunes account.

01:36:01 ◼   ► Yeah, iTunes. I remember iTunes.

01:36:04 ◼   ► Was the domain iTunes back then or did they not even have email?

01:36:09 ◼   ► I can't remember.

01:36:13 ◼   ► For me it was...

01:36:14 ◼   ► I do know that I give everybody, like my Mac.com is what I give everybody,

01:36:18 ◼   ► despite the fact that it's...

01:36:20 ◼   ► Here's one thing that bugs me.

01:36:22 ◼   ► Mac and Me and iCloud and all of their experimental stuff down into one account.

01:36:27 ◼   ► They just counted all of the same.

01:36:34 ◼   ► But other services don't.

01:36:36 ◼   ► So I'll get a Google invite to a Google group and it'll be like my @me account.

01:36:39 ◼   ► I can't log in because it's .Mac or I used iCloud.

01:36:44 ◼   ► It's frustrating.

01:36:49 ◼   ► Yeah, it's the penalty of not having the foresight to pick the right one.

01:36:51 ◼   ► not having the foresight to pick the right domain

01:36:54 ◼   ► off the start.

01:36:56 ◼   ► Compare and contrast with Google, who nailed it, right?

01:36:59 ◼   ► It was, it used to be that Google didn't have any way

01:37:02 ◼   ► that you could get email from them.

01:37:04 ◼   ► And then low one April Fool's Day, they said,

01:37:07 ◼   ► "Okay, now we have a thing called Gmail,

01:37:10 ◼   ► "and you can sign up for whatever you want at gmail.com."

01:37:13 ◼   ► And 10 years later, it's exactly the same,

01:37:17 ◼   ► and you've never had to worry about it.

01:37:18 ◼   ► They didn't change it to Google Mail,

01:37:19 ◼   ► they didn't change it to @Google.

01:37:21 ◼   ► Last month, they didn't change it to Alphabet or AML.

01:37:24 ◼   ► That's what Amy gets, Amy gets AML.

01:37:29 ◼   ► You know, they just got it right the first time

01:37:33 ◼   ► and nobody ever has to worry about it.

01:37:35 ◼   ► And you know, like I still use the Mac.com too,

01:37:38 ◼   ► but every once in a while, for whatever reason,

01:37:40 ◼   ► it's like something will come in to me.com and--

01:37:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, it gets annoying.

01:37:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, and like you said, other services don't see that

01:37:48 ◼   ► just being the synonyms for the same email account.

01:37:51 ◼   ► Yeah. And I know that they--so they rebranded them.

01:37:55 ◼   ► Because they're like, "Okay, that last one sucked." And they've done that three times now.

01:38:00 ◼   ► But it's just collateral damage for long-term users. Every time they change it up, it's like, "Ah, man."

01:38:06 ◼   ► Yeah. I like sticking with the Mac.com one, just out of nostalgia.

01:38:10 ◼   ► But that was the name that was the most short-sighted.

01:38:14 ◼   ► known that they were going to use this for more than just the Mac. Yeah. Oops. Well, anyway, you can

01:38:22 ◼   ► have a different ID for the store than for your iCloud. So to get like your photos and stuff in

01:38:28 ◼   ► through the photo syncing, you can have a different account for that and you can have a different

01:38:32 ◼   ► account for Game Center. It defaults to whichever one you use when you first set it up because for

01:38:37 ◼   ► most people that's the right thing is they're going to use the same ID for all of those things.

01:38:42 ◼   ► But it doesn't seem like there's any way-- unless I miss something-- it doesn't seem like there's any way to switch Game Center accounts.

01:38:47 ◼   ► It does fuel it, not in a point of release, but eventually a multi-user system would make a lot of sense for the TV, right?

01:38:56 ◼   ► Yeah, it seems like it. Because it really does seem-- and Netflix has a pretty good thing for that,

01:39:02 ◼   ► where you can tell Netflix how many people are in your family, and right when you launch the app, who's watching?

01:39:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, it even asks me, it says guy or kids,

01:39:10 ◼   ► and I don't even have any kids, but I'm like, still me.

01:39:14 ◼   ► I think I use kids when I'm babysitting,

01:39:17 ◼   ► like my friend's kid or something.

01:39:19 ◼   ► - Right, and keep them out of the, you know.

01:39:22 ◼   ► - Well, it's not like there's anything crazy on there.

01:39:24 ◼   ► - Well, I wasn't even thinking crazy,

01:39:26 ◼   ► but with kids, I mean, even like,

01:39:28 ◼   ► depending on how young they are, even like PG-13 stuff is--

01:39:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, there can be some pretty scary stuff, yeah.

01:39:33 ◼   ► - I mean, you don't wanna have kids

01:39:36 ◼   ► watching Indiana Jones eat the monkey brains.

01:39:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly.

01:39:39 ◼   ► Well, especially when I'm babysitting.

01:39:41 ◼   ► - Right.

01:39:42 ◼   ► - Which is like, just don't screw this one up.

01:39:45 ◼   ► - I was guy, it was great,

01:39:47 ◼   ► you made me watch a man eat a monkey's brain.

01:39:50 ◼   ► And then all of a sudden you're in trouble.

01:39:52 ◼   ► You're like, it's Indiana Jones.

01:39:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, so that needs to change at some point.

01:39:58 ◼   ► 'Cause that would, that affects a lot of stuff, right?

01:40:01 ◼   ► 'Cause if you can change users,

01:40:03 ◼   ► then suggestions can change.

01:40:06 ◼   ► Basically system-wide you can start doing more interesting stuff.

01:40:10 ◼   ► Like the apps on the home screen can change.

01:40:13 ◼   ► Yeah, totally.

01:40:15 ◼   ► You don't necessarily want Minecraft or whatever.

01:40:18 ◼   ► I can't even think of anything.

01:40:20 ◼   ► But a pile of stuff that Jonas wants, you don't necessarily want, right?

01:40:24 ◼   ► Right. I think in the long run,

01:40:27 ◼   ► almost any and all games that we end up with this thing are going to be for Jonas, not for me.

01:40:31 ◼   ► I mean, so in some sense...

01:40:33 ◼   ► I mean, he doesn't want to see Wall Street Journal video thing.

01:40:37 ◼   ► Like the whole things DE conference is not necessarily going to be tuning into that all the time.

01:40:43 ◼   ► I don't know why.

01:40:49 ◼   ► It's just me and you, so I'll brag.

01:40:51 ◼   ► But I was happy when I installed Cannibalt.

01:40:54 ◼   ► And I got Cannibalt from the list of...

01:40:56 ◼   ► I guess they've made it... what are they calling it?

01:40:58 ◼   ► it a universal, it's not a universal binary, but like a universal download. So like if

01:41:02 ◼   ► you already own it, you can just download it for free. So it was like, here's all the

01:41:05 ◼   ► apps I've already purchased that have Apple TV apps today. And I went to Cannibal. And

01:41:10 ◼   ► the app description for Cannibal starts with a quote from me about how nice a game it is,

01:41:16 ◼   ► which is really close. And I look at Jonas and I was like, yeah, and Jonas, he just looked

01:41:22 ◼   ► at me and he was like, doesn't even mention you by name, it just says "Daring Fireball."

01:41:29 ◼   ► I was like, I was trying to impress you.

01:41:31 ◼   ► He was like, wow, that's not impressive.

01:41:34 ◼   ► He's got a good head on his shoulders though.

01:41:36 ◼   ► I know you're proud and that's awesome, but it's good that he's not like...

01:41:40 ◼   ► No, he is not wild at all.

01:41:42 ◼   ► He is not impressed.

01:41:43 ◼   ► I thought it was pretty cool though.

01:41:46 ◼   ► But I also think it's cool because I am obviously not very well known for my game reviews.

01:41:50 ◼   ► I don't play many games.

01:41:53 ◼   ► And so I think that's what made it so surprising to me.

01:41:57 ◼   ► I think if you added up all of the games I've even mentioned

01:42:01 ◼   ► in what, 13 years of writing Daring Fireball,

01:42:05 ◼   ► you probably still might have some fingers to spare.

01:42:08 ◼   ► Certainly wouldn't use up all your fingers and toes.

01:42:11 ◼   ► It's gotta be less than 20.

01:42:13 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, you don't talk about games much at all.

01:42:15 ◼   ► - So I thought that was pretty cool.

01:42:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, so Cannonball's cool.

01:42:20 ◼   ► Adam put in quite a bit of work to get that working.

01:42:23 ◼   ► Not quite a bit of work.

01:42:24 ◼   ► He spent like a week to get it working,

01:42:25 ◼   ► but he had to do this UI focus thing.

01:42:28 ◼   ► - Hmm.

01:42:28 ◼   ► Yeah, it's actually, there is sort of,

01:42:32 ◼   ► 'cause it's become a bigger game in some ways

01:42:35 ◼   ► than it used to be.

01:42:36 ◼   ► Like there's some kind of,

01:42:37 ◼   ► I haven't played in a long time.

01:42:38 ◼   ► Maybe the iPhone game has it too,

01:42:39 ◼   ► but like at the beginning there,

01:42:40 ◼   ► you can select like a level or something.

01:42:43 ◼   ► I didn't even know.

01:42:43 ◼   ► I only played the default again, but it was excellent.

01:42:47 ◼   ► So he did have to do work.

01:42:48 ◼   ► You know him?

01:42:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

01:42:50 ◼   ► - Oh, I didn't know that.

01:42:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, I've worked with him before.

01:42:52 ◼   ► - Yeah, it translates very well.

01:42:54 ◼   ► And it's, you know--

01:42:55 ◼   ► - It does, yeah, it's great.

01:42:57 ◼   ► Alto's Adventure is good, you know, try out that one.

01:43:00 ◼   ► - All right, I haven't heard of it.

01:43:02 ◼   ► I've never heard of this game.

01:43:03 ◼   ► - It's a snowboarding one.

01:43:04 ◼   ► It's, again, similar kind of idea