127: ‘A Sack Full of Plucked Feathers’ With Guest John Moltz
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Did you hear something just go ping?
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- No. - Good.
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(both laughing)
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- How's the new setup working?
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- It's great, it comes with all these dials.
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See, that's my old setup.
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My old setup was just a mic and then add a USB
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and the USB goes in your computer and that is it.
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There's nothing else.
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- Oh, do you have like a preamp?
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- Yeah, this one has, here's the box right here.
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It's an Onyx Blackjack Premium 2x2 USB recording interface
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from Mackie, and it's got a bunch of these dials and stuff.
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Looks serious, I mean, it makes me feel very professional.
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It's a very nice piece of equipment,
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but now I've got all these dials to turn.
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Marco told me how to set it up.
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He just sent me a picture and just said,
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just turn all the dials like this.
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- Yeah, so I did that.
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- Man, that thing, wow.
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Really, you have the one that's on Amazon?
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How many dials?
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- Well, this one's six, like all of them.
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This one has all of them.
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- No, this one is--
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- The one I'm looking at has like 120 dials.
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- No, no, no, this one has five dials, two inputs,
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something for the monitor, and then--
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This looks like one of your bad interfaces of the day.
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Or the week or whatever.
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It looks like an Access database gone wrong.
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- Are you sending it by Skype or are you sending it?
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Oh, I see it, I see it.
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If that had shown up, if I had just done what Marco said
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and this had shown up at my door, I would have just...
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- Yeah, it would've been very cinematic.
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It would've been one of those things
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where I would've opened,
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you know, you open the cardboard box from Amazon,
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and then I would've seen this,
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and then I would've just set the box down,
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and I would've gotten my keys.
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- Wiped into the ocean.
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Just started driving.
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- Just drive right to the Atlantic Coast.
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- Oh, so you, okay, so you have the Onyx Blackjack 2x2.
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- Yeah, oh god, if I got this, I'd just kill myself.
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That's more manageable.
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- You know what though, to me it looks like
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it might as well be this.
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- Well it's five more dials than you're used to having.
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- It's five more dials than I can handle.
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- It's five times as complicated
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as what you were using before.
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- I don't know if it's because I'm getting older.
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I don't know.
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I think maybe it's a little bit of column A,
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a little bit of column B.
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Like I don't think I've ever been very smart
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about dealing with complex interfaces.
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But you know, it's like with the Apple Music stuff,
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you know, and the iCloud photo library and stuff.
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I need it to be one dial.
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I like, you know, I like one dial.
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- So I don't know.
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But you say I sound good, so we'll take it.
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- Yeah, yeah, no, I think so.
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What do I know?
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- Yeah, you've got crackerjack ears, right?
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- (laughs) Right.
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I am not, no.
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I've actually been struggling.
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I bought a couple of Bluetooth headphones
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when I got the Apple Watch.
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- And was gonna write up a thing about it,
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but I just don't even feel like I can do it
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because I don't, first of all,
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neither one of them is good, so.
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- Which ones do you get?
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- So I don't feel like I have a recommendation.
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I got cheap ones, I got really cheap ones,
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and I feel like I, and that's the other thing,
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is I feel like I should try one that's like 100 bucks
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'cause I got ones that were like 30,
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and they're terrible.
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So it's like, so far that's the only advice I have
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is don't buy ones that are $30,
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which I don't feel like is great advice.
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- Yeah, I don't know if you remember,
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I would, when Joanna Stern was on a few weeks ago,
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back in April, we were talking about it.
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We both bought the same ones, these Beats ones,
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which are overpriced.
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I mean-- - Yeah, right.
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That's what I've heard too, so I didn't wanna buy those.
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But do those work okay?
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- Yeah, I think so.
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Well, the thing was is that we both were complaining
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about latency and then it was a follow-up a week or two later some kind
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listener of the show was like dude you got to get the firmware update and I'm
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like firmware update for headphones I mean what the hell is that but it was
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honest-to-god truth you go to beats audio and you tell them you got the
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beats whatever they're called Bluetooth and then you you get a download and once
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you got once I got the download and installed it it really did it I wouldn't
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say it fixed the latency because I'm still you know I'm used to the zero
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latency of a wired headphone. Right. But it's the latency after installing the
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software update on these on these beats was like what you would expect from
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Bluetooth headphones. You know it's there's like a fraction of a second
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latency but it's reasonable. Yeah. Well one of these would not was skipping and
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the other one the other one was and I wanted him for running the other one was
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Well, I do think Marco tweeted the other day, asked if anybody running iOS 9 beta is experiencing
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like some skips and fallouts with Bluetooth headphones.
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And I hadn't really thought about it, but I think I was.
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I think I am.
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And so it's like the beauty of you switching to Bluetooth headphones is that now you're
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are susceptible to software bugs and regressions.
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Like we've taken this--
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- Yeah, it's been more complicated.
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- We've taken this thing that worked perfectly
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since before we were born, right?
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Like 1970, whatever, when we were born,
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or for you, '68, whatever the hell it is,
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there were headphones, you plugged them in,
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and then you hear what you're supposed to hear,
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and it works, right?
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Until you step on the headphones or something.
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And now we've replaced it with something
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that when you upgrade your operating system,
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maybe your headphones don't work so good.
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- You need a firmware upgrade.
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- Right, you need a firmware update.
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- Yeah, you must have had speakers
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with that big jack, right?
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- Yeah. - Headphones, I mean.
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- No, well, now I have a new pair that I'm wearing
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as we speak right now because--
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- Oh, they probably, yeah, this thing
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has that big jack, doesn't it?
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- Yeah, and so Marco said-- - I'm seeing that right now.
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- Marco told me I had it, he was like,
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"You have an adapter for that."
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I'm like, well, I'm sure I do,
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but who the hell knows where it is?
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And he goes, well, then you should get new headphones too.
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So now I'm wearing a pair
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of Marco approved headphones as well.
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- Well, thanks to cleaning out my basement,
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I know exactly where my adapter is.
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You organized that stuff? - Yeah, I saw it.
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I saw it, yeah.
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It's one of those big coiled,
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it's a long cable,
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and it's one of those springy cables too.
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So I could walk around.
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because you know back in the day you wanted to listen to music and walk around
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the room and do stuff and boy could I do that that was what that was that was
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Bluetooth headphones back then it was a really really long cable because you
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couldn't move your stereo oh but you still needed to move around and it
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wasn't like you could put it in your pocket I mean that was like you know I
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probably had that I probably got that thing before you know I probably had
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that I probably had headphones for that kind of jack before there was before the
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Walkman came out.
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- Yeah, yeah, nice big fat headphones.
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So anyway, yeah, rather than buy a $2 adapter,
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I bought a $200 pair of headphones.
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No, but in my defense, the headphones I had been wearing
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were, they still work, and so I can't say that they're,
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you know, somewhere my depression-era grandparents
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are coming out of the grave to kill me.
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But they still work, but they date back
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to like when I was doing the show with Dan Benjamin.
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I mean, they're pretty old.
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And the leather on the thing that goes over your head
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is all peeling off.
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I guess it's not even leather.
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It's quote, unquote leather.
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- Yeah, that happened to me.
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- Right, and so like every time I record a show now
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or until I got these new headphones--
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- Little things are falling out of your hair.
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- Well, when I was done with the show,
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the first thing I would do would be like to shake my hair
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and get all the flakes of leatherette out.
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So I thought why not splurge and get a new set of headphones.
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- You're worth it.
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You deserve it after how many years of podcasting?
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- Like a year, two years.
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- Oh, well, this show, right?
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This version of the show.
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- No, this show has gotta be up to three years now, right?
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'Cause this is episode 127.
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- Yeah, so how does that, yeah.
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- Yeah, three years.
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- Oh my God, we're old.
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- Everything's old.
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So what else is going on?
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So do you have, well you probably talked about music on like 20 other podcasts by now.
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Well you know what though we should talk about though. I talked about it with Dalrymple and it was the day that Jim posted his "Well I Lost 4700 Songs"
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And then the show went into editing I think we're I don't know when but it wasn't gonna air for like four days
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And in the meantime, you know, he got called into Apple and he wrote like a follow-up and he straightened it out
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And so, you know, it was his call but he you know
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He's like I'm gonna take some of the music stuff out cuz it's not relevant, you know
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It's a the danger of recording a podcast as opposed to live broadcasting
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I thought it was funny, but he took some of that out
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but we could that we should definitely talk about cuz I don't even know what the hell he took out but
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I mean have you what's your experience been like anything like his or I have hardly done anything with it. That's the thing
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Oh, yeah, we were on vacation when it first came out and I signed up for it
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So who knows maybe my music is gone. I don't know. I haven't looked but I
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Signed I signed up with for it, you know
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Cuz it's free for a couple of months and I wanted to try the radio stuff out which is new to me
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I mean, I'm you know, I'm the old guy who'd never tried the streaming stuff. Yeah, I guess I've tried Spotify
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But it didn't really stick for me
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And I tried the radio but it's it. I don't know. I haven't really done anything
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It seems like all my music is still there
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But I am terribly confused though because I'm I'm another one of these people where I do pay for iTunes match
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I do have thousands of songs that I ripped from CDs
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But now I've got the Apple music right what about you?
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Yeah, I mean, but I well I didn't count my songs before I
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Join the service so I have no I have no way of knowing
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If anything's missing or not actually as far as I can tell I mean other than going back and looking for specific songs
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Which I'm not gonna do so I have not I can't say that I've experienced any loss of things that I
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brought to the table
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And the funny thing is about Jim's post was that I had used it and kind of liked it.
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I mean, I liked listening to the curated playlists and I liked listening to the radio stuff.
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And then I kind of just forgot about it a little bit.
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Because that's kind of the way I've been using streaming services anyway.
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I have these playlists that I make of music that I own and I usually end up listening
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And then when I get bored with those, I'll go out and do discovery through some streaming
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service basically.
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Just say, "Okay, here's some songs that I like, play me some other stuff that's like
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this stuff."
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And then usually what I do is I go out and I buy the stuff that I like, just because
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I'm 110 years old.
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So I had kind of like, you know, I'd gone into that other that phase again where I was
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just listening to things that I owned, and then Jim's post reminded me, "Oh yeah, Apple
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Music is out there."
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And I went back and I tried it again.
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I mean, I agree that the interface is kind of confusing.
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Like, I really don't quite understand the difference
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between some of the tabs.
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But I do like it for music discovery quite a bit.
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I think the playlists are good.
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And I generally find something that I
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want to keep anytime that I start listening to it
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for any extended period of time.
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And then the other thing that I recently just tried,
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which I hadn't tried the time before, was picking a song
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and then telling it to make a channel off that song,
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which I think works really well.
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So as far as for using it for music discovery,
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I really kind of like it.
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And then the other thing that I like about it
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is because I do so many playlists,
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because I manage my playlists myself,
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it will sync those through the cloud now.
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So I don't have to sync back and forth between my phone
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and the Mac where my music is on to get the playlist on there.
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Yeah, see, I haven't done playlists in years.
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No, I swear.
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You just, what do you do?
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You just pick songs that you want to listen to immediately?
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Yeah, I don't know, for the most part.
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I don't really listen to a lot of music,
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is the realization that I have come to.
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It's not a service for you.
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I am really looking forward to it.
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I wanna get it in my car somehow.
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- Yeah, that would be nice.
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- I need like a new car, I guess.
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- Is that what you, yeah, 'cause I have,
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I mean, I basically, 'cause I have my phone in my car,
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I have it in my car.
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- Yeah, well, I can put my phone in my car,
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but I can't really hook my phone up to my car.
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- Okay, well, you might just need a new stereo.
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- Well, yeah, but-- - You don't necessarily,
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no, I know you went out and bought a $200 pair of headphones,
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but you don't necessarily have to go out and buy a new car.
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- Again, it'd be a lot easier to just buy a new car
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that had a Lightning jack.
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- Honey, I need to get Apple Music in the car,
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so we're gonna have to buy a new car.
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- Here, sign this.
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- Co-sign this lease with me.
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- Oh, she's the only name on it?
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- I'm putting the whole thing on her.
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I thought that the...
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- So you got your license back is what you're saying.
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- Oh, I did, I got that back a couple years ago.
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- I think it's such an ambitious undertaking,
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the whole Apple Music thing, and I totally understand the...
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the one foot on the shore, one foot on the boat,
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it's kinda hard to make this shift
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from being a download-focused service
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that you don't wanna just pull the plug on
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and that you still wanna support.
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So if people do just wanna buy albums,
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you can still do it to this new streaming thing.
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I totally realize how complex this is.
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And I agree with you that on the content side,
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I think they nailed it.
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I think from everything I've heard,
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people really like these stations,
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the ones that are human curated.
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People really like--
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- People even like Beats 1.
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- Yeah, exactly. - Which I don't,
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I can't bear.
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I mean, to me, that's like,
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that was the whole purpose of this digital music process
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was to get away from that kind of thing.
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Like, I don't wanna hear somebody talking.
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So it's not for me, but I'm kind of amazed
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that so many people seem to like it.
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- Yeah, to me, I think it's sort of trying to be
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what MTV was in the '80s.
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It's, you know, here's what everybody's listening to,
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where everybody is people who care about new music.
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But you know what I mean?
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Like when we were in the '80s,
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there was just one MTV, that was it.
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And like, you know, the top 10 countdown every day
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at five o'clock or whatever time it came on,
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we'd play everything from Motley Crue to Madonna
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to Lionel Richie, you know,
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there were, it wasn't really segregated by genres.
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It was just here's popular music,
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everything from heavy metal to dance music
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or whatever you wanna call it.
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And here's what's new.
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And I feel like that's sort of what they're trying
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to do with Beats 1.
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- Yeah, that's what it seems like.
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- But on the flip side, somebody has to make an app
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that presents all this.
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And I do think it's kind of complicated.
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And the other complaints that I've heard from some people,
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And maybe it's just the nature of the sort of people
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who like to read my stuff, that it's picky people.
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But the thing that seems to drive some people really crazy
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is that if you don't sign up for Apple Music
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and you're not even interested in it,
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the new music app is like,
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there's tabs that just don't apply to you anymore.
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And the other thing I know that people have complained about
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is when you do sign up for Apple Music,
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it puts my music last in the tabs.
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- And I thought that was sort of like a weird thing
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to complain about.
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It's sort of like, is the rightmost tab
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the least important tab?
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I don't know.
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But I brought that up to my wife and Amy agreed.
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She was like, oh yeah, that kind of,
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to me she thought that implies
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that's the least important thing in the app.
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Whereas it's really, it might be for you,
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depending on the size of your music library,
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you might have like 40 or 50 gigabytes of music
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and it's all stuffed into one tab in the lower right.
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- Right, yeah, I mean the nice thing,
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one of the improvements that I found was going in
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and you can turn off connect
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in, what is it, it's like restrictions, I think?
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'Cause it's sort of a, you know, it's like,
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you don't want your kid,
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you want your kid to have the iPod touch
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but you don't want your kid to see like musicians swearing
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or something like that.
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I guess that's what that's for but you can turn off connect and then when you turn off connect it puts the playlist tab in
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the spot where connect is hmm
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so that was kind of nice that actually made it a lot better because since I
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You know use playlists so much
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And you don't really man
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If you don't really connect that often and I really can't that often right? I never leave the house
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So why would I need connect?
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I haven't really that's one of the things I haven't really heard anybody follow up on like is connect working
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Is it is are people using it? Is it taking off?
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Is it really just is it or is it is it ping all over again and nobody's using it or is it somewhere in between?
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Yeah, I haven't seen anybody even talk about it really no not since it came out
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It just it seems like it's just like kind of a blog for the artists
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In a way, I mean they just seem to post
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Where they are post some pictures and maybe a little commentary
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Didn't find it very interesting or useful at this point anyway
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And they had they had written something about like saying that they were you know
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They were gonna bring more to it later
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But at this point it was not really it's just not the kind of thing that I'm interested in. Yeah
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So are you an iTunes match customer?
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- No, I haven't been.
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So I don't know if that makes it better.
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- Yeah, I feel like that's sort of the point.
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I feel like that's-- - The crux of the problem.
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- Yeah, or the perfect storm of the problem.
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I don't know.
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And it never worked that well, I don't know.
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I think I was telling, see this is one of those things,
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I don't know if it got cut,
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but I'll just tell the story again,
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where Amy, where iTunes,
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I forget if you can even sign up for a family plan there,
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but Amy has, I don't know how many gigabytes of music,
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but she's got enough music where it's like her total,
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it's pretty big, and it's like she could never sync
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her whole library to her phone,
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otherwise it would fill up.
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So she got the 128 gigabyte iPhone,
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and now she can sync her whole library and have tons,
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it's one of those things where like,
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I think with a 64 gigabyte phone,
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combined with a photo library and stuff, it would be tight.
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And with 128, then she has plenty of room,
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including every single song she has in her iTunes library,
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which is what she wants, so that if she gets in the mood
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to listen to something, she can listen to it.
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And I don't know, she's had Jeffrey Zeldman luck
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with cloud services.
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It's like, I would set her up, and it would say that,
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she wants it all there.
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She doesn't want to have to stream it.
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She doesn't want the cloud icons.
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She wants all of her music on the phone
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because she paid for the giant 128 gigabyte phone.
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And it looks like it's all there, and then it's there.
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And then a couple months ago, she came back from the gym,
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and she's mad at me, not mad at our course.
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She's mad at me because all of her music is in the cloud.
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And I'm like, well, that can't be.
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And then I look at her music app,
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and every single song is in the cloud.
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And I can't explain it, I don't understand.
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So the way--
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- And that was before music?
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- Yes, before Apple Music.
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So the way I fixed it for her is I just turned off
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iCloud match, iTunes match, whatever it's called,
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and just hooked her up by USB cable to her Mac
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and just synced it like the 2007 way.
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Just hooked her up to iTunes, said sync all of the music,
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all of her playlists, and I said,
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"I fixed your iTunes cloud."
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And she said, "Thank you."
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And now she thinks that iTunes Cloud works perfectly.
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- Well wasn't the whole thing with match
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that you would just sign up once
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and it would match your previous catalog
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and then basically give you rights to everything
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that you got from Napster or whatever.
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And then you just can cancel your subscription
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after the second year.
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You don't really need it unless you want it.
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I mean so like in her situation,
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she doesn't even want it in the cloud,
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so she wouldn't really pass that first year
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have any need to have an iTunes match.
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- Right, but there was supposed to be a way
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that you could just say,
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but I also want all my music on the device, you know?
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- I don't wanna have to pull it down by on-demand.
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But anyway, I had a long story short.
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- And that is definitely currently the one thing
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that I find completely fiddly
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and I don't quite understand yet is,
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'cause I like having it all on the device too,
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partially because I have a Sonos and I wanna play,
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and I wanna play something on the Sonos
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has to be on the device at least until they get Apple Music, which they said
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they're going to be doing. But if I want to play something on the Sonos it has to
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be on my phone. I have to have something, I have to have it
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physically someplace in order to play it obviously. I can't play it from Apple's
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cloud because Sonos doesn't know anything about Apple's cloud. So, and
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just trying to do that often befuddles me. But I think it's gotten a little bit
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easier with an update they recently did because I think and maybe I just it was
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there before and I just missed it but now you can go into like a playlist and
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just say make this entire playlist available offline hmm yeah I don't know
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and it should download all the music so my suggestion my suggestion and it was
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just a flippant offhand and you know I you know maybe I'm just waving my hands
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here and there's good reasons for it but my suggestion that I tossed out there is
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why not make it an all new app? Just have an Apple Music app and then if you sign
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up for Apple Music, you use the Apple Music app and it streams all the radio
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and it the the thing I'm thinking just loosely maybe I'm you know being stupid
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somehow maybe I'm overlooking something and yes if you have an iTunes library of
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songs that you already own that app could just see those songs and show them
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to you but it would never try to like delete them or do anything magic with
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them and then you'd have two apps and then if you don't want Apple music you
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could just keep using iTunes yeah which would play your music and then iTunes
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could be iTunes and then Apple music could be this app that much like the new
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photos for Mac app is like a clean slate both in terms of like the interface it
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presents and in terms of the online syncing stuff that it's supposed to do
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And there were a bunch of people like reactions.
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You know, a lot of the stuff I write often gets
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polarized reactions, but this was so completely polarized,
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it blew me away, where like, it seemed like half
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the people responding to that were like, yes, exactly,
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you know, this is exactly what Apple should have done.
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And the other half were, you're an idiot,
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you're completely missing the fact that the entire,
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but here's what's funny, I kind of agree with both sides.
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Obviously I agree with the side that says
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this sounds like an interesting idea,
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and the people who say I'm an idiot,
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which is like half the reaction,
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we're saying the entire point of this
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is to have all of your music in one app.
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What was the slogan at WWC was one thought about music.
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And I see the appeal of that.
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But my response to that response, I guess,
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is one thought about music sounds good,
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it sounds like a good idea,
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but I'm saying that if you look at the actual software,
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especially iTunes on Mac, or I guess Windows,
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which is probably the same.
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It's just, it's more complicated now than it ever has been.
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And we've been complaining about how complicated it is
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for years, at least since like the iPhone came out, right?
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I mean, sometime around that era is when people started
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complaining that iTunes was getting, you know,
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had too much on its shoulders.
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And now with Apple Music in there too, it's more than ever.
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It's all of the store.
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It still has, you could still buy iOS apps in iTunes.
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So it's all the music store, the entire iOS app store,
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but not the Mac app store.
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All of your music that you own.
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And now it's got all of the Apple Music stuff
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that you subscribe to.
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To me, that's an awful lot that you're asking one app to do.
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- Seems like, yeah.
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It does seem like it should be broken apart,
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and it's easy to say that 'cause we don't know
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any of the real reasons why it's actually one app,
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particularly.
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- But at this point, it's just--
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- Right, and I wanna emphasize that.
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- Completely unwieldy.
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- Right, Marco mentioned it too in his post
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that it's easy to think of a lot of reasons
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why they didn't go that route,
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why they might have fully considered it
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and decided not to go that route.
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And I'm not saying they should have,
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I'm just tossing this as an idea of maybe they could have,
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and maybe things would be better.
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The one thought that occurs to me about it is
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it might have taken a lot longer.
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I mean, look how long photos for Mac took.
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It was announced at WWDC last year,
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and they even said when they announced it,
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it would be early 2015.
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I think they said early 2015,
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or at least they said it's not coming soon.
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And it still didn't ship.
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it didn't come out of beta until like April or May.
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I mean, it was very close to a year
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after they announced it at WWDC 2014
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before photos for Mac shipped not as a beta for Mac.
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It absolutely takes longer to start over,
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even if your goal is to have a simpler,
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less complicated interface.
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So maybe that's the main reason.
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I don't know, that it's always easier
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to just keep tacking on to iTunes
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then to take the time to start something now.
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Yeah, every once in a while you read one of these opinion pieces
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or someone says that Apple's the new Microsoft, which
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I think is ridiculous.
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But this is like one instance where I actually
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think it's kind of does apply in that iTunes does seem like it's
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just become so overburdened with added features
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that it's like Office was back in the early 2000s.
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- Well, it is, as a general rule,
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the idea that you just keep tacking into this one app
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is sort of the Microsoft, in loose general terms,
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it's sort of a Microsoft way of doing things
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and not the Apple way of doing things.
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- Yeah, and they've never gotten rid of anything.
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- Right, I mean, and just comparing--
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- And the Apple, it seems like,
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we used to go through this throughout the 2000s
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where like iMovie and things like that
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where they would take something and then just like
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blow it up and start all over again,
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and you'd lose things.
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But often you'd end up with a better app.
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And in this instance,
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they just don't seem to be doing that at all.
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- What about, do they still have podcasts in iTunes?
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I know on iOS, see that's another,
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that's a perfect example, right?
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So on iOS, they, yeah.
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So in iOS, they created an entirely separate podcast app.
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And on the whole, it's what matters anyway,
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'cause I mean, I know from the stats from this show
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that most people listen to podcasts on their phone
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or some kind of mobile device, so it makes sense.
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But it's crazy that on the desktop,
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they still have podcasts in there too, right?
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And maybe that's another sign of the Mac
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as a second-class citizen to iOS,
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that they don't make a standalone version of.
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- Can you tell what the client is?
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Can you tell what the biggest usage by client is?
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- Yeah. - On the list?
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Is it the podcast's app or something else?
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- Well, for me, it's Overcast.
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- Yeah, okay.
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Right, there's a little bit of selection bias there.
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- Yeah, without question.
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It's because, you know,
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Darren, or Darren Fireball readers
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and listeners of this show are way more likely to,
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you know, to even know, I've heard of Overcast,
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let alone, you know, be smart enough
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to actually sign up for it.
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And somebody sent me, after I tweeted,
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I think I tweeted that, I tweeted the stats
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that I get from SoundCloud,
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which is where I host the audio for this.
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And they said that they're like the producer
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on like a general interest podcast.
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Seemed pretty popular, you know,
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some like 20 or 30,000 downloads per episode.
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And for them, Overcast was way down.
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I mean, it wasn't even close,
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'cause it was even behind other iOS clients,
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just because it hasn't been out as long.
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But, you know.
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But I don't get it.
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I'm trying to look it up here.
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Where's the stats?
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It doesn't say podcasts for iOS.
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It's called, it's the background process
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that does the downloading.
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So you probably can't tell if it's the difference
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between that--
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- Apple Core Media.
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- Yeah, if it's the difference between that
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and iTunes on a Mac.
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- Well, no, because then-- - No, you can't,
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but you can tell by platform.
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- No, but then it says, so here's my stats
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for the previous episode with Jason Snell, episode 126.
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So for the RSS version, which is just about everybody,
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Overcast is 29,000.
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Apple Core Media iPhone, which I take to mean
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the podcast app on iPhone, this is about 17,000.
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Then there's iTunes, which is 4,500.
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and I think that's iTunes on the Mac.
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Apple Core Media iPad, so it's interesting,
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I do get it broken out between iPhone and iPad is 2,700.
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Mozilla is 2,400, and I think Mozilla means,
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see this is where I have to guess,
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I think it means anybody who listens in any browser,
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because you know how like every browser says
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that they're like Mozilla?
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- Because there's no freaking way that Mozilla would come,
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the actual Mozilla would come in ahead of Safari.
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Then downcast at a respectable 1900,
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pocket casts at 1700, Instacast, Castro,
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and then way down at 200,
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poor old Apple Core Media for iPod.
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Not many, and I figured, I would have said a year ago
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a joke that one of them was John Syracuse it but now he's got an iPhone that's right
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No, so I do have good stats like that that's interesting
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But to me it's crazy that they still stick. I
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podcasts in the iTunes I
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Don't even yeah. Yeah
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And I wonder if some of it is just about they feel like if they put it in a different app now that people are
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Going not open the other app
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Really for you know, like a new service like music
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- Well, and I guess it's so that there's,
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I mean, they're called, I even, did I tweet this
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or blog it, I always forget, but it's funny
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that we call them podcasts, but nobody listens
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on iPods anymore, everybody listens on iPhones and stuff.
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But if you do listen to it on your iPod,
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and it's not an iPod touch, it's like an iPod iPod,
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then I guess you still need to sync it from iTunes.
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So I guess I understand why they haven't taken it out
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for people who need to sync to an iPod,
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but for anybody who just wants to listen to it,
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I really think it ought to be a standalone app,
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even on the Mac, that works just like the iOS podcast app.
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- But what do I know?
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Maybe that's next.
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- Yeah, I don't know.
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- Keep holding.
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that in the app store for the Apple TV.
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Someday they'll come.
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- All right, let me take a break
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anytime in your adult life,
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than a racket.
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It's an absolute racket.
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You go to like Mattress USA or something like that,
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and you shop the Sealy or whatever brand you want,
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and you write them down, you write down what they cost,
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what the model names are, you drive across town
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to Mattress King or whatever the hell
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the next store is called, and you look at the same brand,
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and you look at the mattresses,
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they all have different names,
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so there's no way to compare.
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They do this on purpose, so that it really is,
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it's like a racket where each store gets their own
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like model names from the same manufacturer,
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so that you can't price compare.
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And all the prices are high anyway.
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And they've got 11 mattresses set up
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that you're supposed to lay on them in the retail store.
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Gross, number one, gross.
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and then in between twin and king,
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all the price points in between 500 and 950.
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$950 for a premium king size mattress is crazy.
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You're never gonna beat that at retail mattress stores.
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It's an outstanding price point for a great mattress.
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Here's the thing though, you don't get to try it beforehand.
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You don't even get to sit on it or anything like that.
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You gotta trust it.
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But here's the deal.
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They have guaranteed, I think it's like 40 days,
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So you buy this thing, it shows up for free,
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and a vacuum packet in this crazy box
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that's like the size of a big dorm room refrigerator,
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shows up, they give you a special tool,
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you take it up to the bedroom where you want it,
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you open this thing up, and it makes a really cool sound,
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and then it sucks up all the air,
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and then all of a sudden, you've got a mattress.
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You've got 100 days from that point to sleep on this thing,
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And then they take care, they send like a UPS guy
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and that's it, it's gone.
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That's how sure they are that you're gonna like it.
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I don't think anybody ever takes them up on it.
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They sent me one last year, it's like brand new right now.
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The other cool thing,
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you can get this same day,
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and they bring it,
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like a guy straps it to his back
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and brings it to your house on a bicycle.
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That's how crazy the boxes are that these things are.
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just to see the guy show up
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with a mattress on his back.
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and you'll save 50 bucks. So they're already low prices. You'll save 50 bucks.
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Terms and conditions apply. I don't know what the terms and conditions are, but
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it's a good deal. And I know a lot of listeners have taken them up on this and
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I've gotten a lot of feedback from people who are like, "It really did sound
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crazy to buy a mattress from a podcast." But I did and it was great. So my thanks
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to Casper. One of the conditions is no lice. Yeah, no lice. Nobody has ever, nobody
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- The light's free.
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- How about the, 'cause this is the thing
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I wrote the other day is just thinking about Apple Music
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and the problems people are having.
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My problems, it seems to me like everything's working for me
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it's just that I'm confused about how it's supposed to work.
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Compare and contrast with the new iCloud photo library
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which I was more worried about
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because I care much more about my photos than I do my music.
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And I have backups of everything and I've got stuff,
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but I just, I don't know,
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I just worried that it wasn't gonna work.
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And I backed up my phone beforehand
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so that if I turned on this thing
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and it erased my photo library on my phone,
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I could just restore the phone to where I was
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before I turned it off.
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I backed up my Mac, I backed up my phone,
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And I turned this thing on a couple weeks ago, whenever.
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And again, everybody's had the same sort of first reaction.
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If you have thousands of photos,
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I think I've got like 17 or 18,000 photos total
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from my old iPhoto library and what I took on the phone.
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It did take a while for them to sync initially.
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I don't know, a couple of days, something like that.
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But lo and behold, maybe like a day or two,
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two days after I signed up for this thing
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and turned it on on all my devices.
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All of my devices have all my photos.
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And when I take a photo with my phone,
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by the time I go to my Mac,
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even if I'm just sitting here at my desk
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and I go to the Photos app, there it is.
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It's right there at the bottom of my, all your photos.
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It is, and for people who say Apple never gets
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cloud services right or something like this,
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I would say the Photos thing seems like an example
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where they did.
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Have you tried it?
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I'm actually fiddling with it right now,
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just because I was afraid of that initial sync
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process taking so long.
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And also, just the fact that I felt
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like I was going to probably have to upgrade the storage
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space because I didn't think I was going to--
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because I think my libraries--
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and that was the other thing I was trying to do,
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was figure out how big my library is.
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But that's always been my problem,
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is that I just have too many pictures.
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and a lot of them are just crap and should be thrown away,
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but I don't wanna go through that process
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of going through every single thing
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and trying to figure out what should go and what should stay.
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So I have not done it yet.
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But it sounds like maybe I should.
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- And I tweeted, I guess I, or I blogged about it yesterday,
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and a couple people on Twitter,
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obviously it's not working for 100% of all people.
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There's some, I don't know,
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does anything ever work for 100% of all people?
00:42:25
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I don't know.
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But it seems to me like there are a lot fewer people encountering problems with the iCloud
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photo library than there are people encountering problems with the music.
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And conceptually, to me, it is very, very simple.
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It's all of your photos and all of your albums across all your devices.
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And you have two options.
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Download the originals to this device, whether it's a Mac or iOS thing.
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And that means you get the original image that was taken from the camera or optimize.
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And if there's something that's a little hand-wavy, it's what does this optimize photo storage
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Somehow it means on this device you don't get the full-res versions.
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iCloud will resize them to make sense on your device.
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So I guess you get smaller ones on your phone and bigger ones on your Mac.
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But on either case, if you turn on optimized storage, you're not going to get the original
00:43:23
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- The complaint I've seen on Twitter from people
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is that even with optimized photo storage on,
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it still takes up too much space,
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that it's taking up 10 or 20 gigabytes on people's phones.
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And they don't have that much space
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maybe because they bought a 16 gigabyte phone
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or 32 or something like that,
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which is a reasonable complaint.
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But then if you have, I guess the argument would be
00:43:45
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that if you have a space-constricted device,
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storing your entire photo library even optimized
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is not a good idea for that device.
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- 'Cause I don't know what the solution would be.
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I guess Apple could in theory store
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even tinier thumbnails or something.
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I'm not quite sure. - Yeah.
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Isn't that what the Google,
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I mean the Google service goes down real low, doesn't it?
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- I guess because, and maybe that just is their
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web-based route showing because something like Flickr
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or any kind of web-based photo storage service,
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there's the idea that it even could download all your photos
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doesn't even make sense because there's no way to,
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you know, you only get five megabytes of local storage
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or whatever the limit is for a website with local storage.
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- Where is, is that stored in, yeah, there it is.
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Oh no, that's not it.
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Oh, there it is, okay, yeah,
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so my library is like almost 50 gigs.
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- Your iPhoto library?
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my photos library.
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- Oh, 'cause you have upgraded to photos.
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- I've upgraded to photos, yes.
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I have not turned on--
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- How many--
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- 8500 photos.
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- How many pictures is it?
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So I've got 16,500.
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- The big things are probably the videos.
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- Yeah, probably.
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- Does it sync the videos too?
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- Yeah. - Yeah.
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They call it photos, but it's just like photos
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your on your phone on the phone it really means anything you shot with a
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camera yeah I know it's certainly very nice to have but I just I don't feel
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like paying for an extra extra service because that's not gonna fit no that is
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not gonna fit well what are you you still on that you're on the free tier
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yeah I'm still on the free tier yeah yeah that ain't gonna work but that
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That raises a good point though, that it's twofold,
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which was A, why is the free tier still just five gigabytes
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for this company with 200, again,
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and it seems like it always comes up
00:45:59
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when you're on the show, it's like,
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let's spend Tim Cook's money.
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- And so we'll put in our standard disclaimer here
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that we understand we're not trying to say we're know-it-alls
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and we know more than Apple how to spend money,
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and that the way that you accumulate $200 billion in cash
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is by maybe not spending your money willy-nilly
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on every idea that two idiots on a podcast say
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that you should spend money on.
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I'm just saying it seems to me though,
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given what other companies with less money
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than Apple offer for free storage,
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it just seems to me like maybe Apple could be
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a little bit more competitive in that regard
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as to how big the free tier is,
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and that it would be in their interest
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in terms of getting more people to use this,
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the photo syncing, which I think they've put a lot
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of work into and would like people to use.
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And then the flip side would be
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the 16 gigabyte devices thing.
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- Yeah, completely.
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- Because even if, and this was like when I asked
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Phil Schiller on stage last month,
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part of his answer defending the 16 gigabyte devices
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is that more and more of people's storage is cloud-based.
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But even if, as these people responding to me on Twitter
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are pointing out, even if you turn on
00:47:24
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optimized photo storage, if you have a lot of photos,
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it still consumes an awful lot of storage on your device.
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Or at least awful lot if you have a 16 gigabyte device.
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Mm-hmm yeah, if you have a 16 gigabyte device you basically don't have any room to spare
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Yeah, it's really it's just it's
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And I lived with a four gigabyte phone for two years well. I think it makes sense
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This is one of the differences between the music and photos if you just use the streaming for Apple music
00:47:59
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I guess that makes a lot of sense on a 16 gigabyte device right that you don't have anything stored locally or almost nothing
00:48:05
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That it really is just cached
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and you're listening to the Beats 1 radio station
00:48:11
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or something like that, that's fantastic, right?
00:48:14
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That you can listen to a wide variety of music,
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you can search for music, you can get the urge
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to listen to a certain artist,
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and as long as you've got the bandwidth,
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if you've got WiFi or enough space on your cellular plan,
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you can just listen to it without worrying
00:48:29
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about the storage.
00:48:31
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But with the photos, even again,
00:48:34
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there's just no way to participate in this
00:48:36
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if you have a lot of photos in your library
00:48:38
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without using some significant degree of local storage.
00:48:41
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And 16 gigabytes just is pretty brutally short for that.
00:48:48
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- They don't really sell an eight gigabyte phone anymore,
00:48:53
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- Not new, but not top tier,
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but if you go and buy an iPhone 5C,
00:49:01
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it's only eight gigabytes.
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- Is it still, is it?
00:49:03
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- Yeah, absolutely.
00:49:06
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Oh my God. So yeah they still do.
00:49:08
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Yeah. So for all my I mean they still
00:49:10
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said you know that's I consider that selling
00:49:12
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it. I mean you can you buy it
00:49:14
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on lock for $450.
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Yeah if there's a buy now phone
00:49:19
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if there's a buy now next to a button
00:49:22
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next to it on
00:49:23
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the website I guess yes technically
00:49:26
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it is for sale.
00:49:27
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But yeah I think your only choice yeah your
00:49:33
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only choice if you buy a five seat
00:49:35
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today is to get an eight gigabyte.
00:49:37
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And it's just the way that it works.
00:49:40
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So if they don't move the baseline
00:49:43
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for the brand new top tier 6S and 6S+,
00:49:47
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which again, I'm just guessing
00:49:49
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that's what they're gonna do in September.
00:49:51
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If they don't move the baseline up to 32,
00:49:54
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then I don't know what they're gonna do.
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Are they gonna, if they keep the storage tiers the same,
00:49:59
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it seems like all the storage tiers will be the same,
00:50:01
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and then the mid tier one is still gonna be
00:50:03
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only 16 gigabytes and the low-end one might still only be 8 gigabytes which
00:50:09
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seems crazy. That seems completely crazy. I mean the good news is
00:50:15
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that they you know have have done the work to make iOS 9 require a lot less
00:50:21
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storage space initially to upgrade which is was definitely I mean they pretty
00:50:28
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much flat out said it was a problem at WWDC for iOS 8.
00:50:32
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But for a lot of this stuff, it really is--
00:50:36
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- You couldn't even upgrade your phone.
00:50:38
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- Right, and it's like, and it really,
00:50:40
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it really starts to, especially I think
00:50:44
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with the camera stuff, really starts to directly conflict
00:50:47
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where it's like, how can they brag about
00:50:50
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how nice the camera is and how high the quality is
00:50:53
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of the video?
00:50:55
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- When you can store about four pictures.
00:50:59
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You can take one panoramic photo.
00:51:02
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Burst mode up to two images.
00:51:07
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- Now I know we've talked,
00:51:11
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I think we've talked about this before,
00:51:12
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but would you go back to the four inch phone?
00:51:15
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- Oh, that's a great question.
00:51:19
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I, in theory, I would.
00:51:25
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And in fact, I just spent almost a week
00:51:28
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using my four-inch iPhone 5S because I put iOS 9 on it
00:51:33
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and I put my SIM card in it so I could actually try it.
00:51:37
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I've since gone and upgraded my regular iPhone 6
00:51:40
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to the latest iOS 9 beta because it's that,
00:51:44
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at least for me, if you go switch to the iOS 9 beta
00:51:49
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and your phone dies, don't complain to me.
00:51:51
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But for me at least, it seems at least as solid
00:51:55
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is iOS 8, so why not?
00:51:57
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And I really, really like the San Francisco font,
00:51:59
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and it's good for testing and stuff.
00:52:01
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But I spent a week using it on my 5S
00:52:04
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before I took the plunge with my iPhone 6.
00:52:07
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And I really, really liked it.
00:52:10
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Really, really, I love the size.
00:52:12
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And I know that the screen is smaller,
00:52:14
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and I'm rocketing towards needing reading glasses.
00:52:19
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So I appreciate the bigger screen size.
00:52:22
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But just as something to carry around,
00:52:24
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I would do it.
00:52:26
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But the big but is,
00:52:28
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here's how I think they're gonna do the phones this year.
00:52:30
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And I don't even think it's that hard to predict.
00:52:32
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I think they'll come out with an iPhone 6S
00:52:35
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and an iPhone 6S Plus.
00:52:38
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And they will be exactly at the prices
00:52:41
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of the current iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus.
00:52:45
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And it'll have a new A9 system on a chip instead of the A8.
00:52:50
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And it'll have a new camera in both.
00:52:52
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I guess when people say the rumor is that there's gonna be
00:52:57
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a rose gold option, that makes sense to me.
00:53:02
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You know, just like when they first went to the iPhone 5S
00:53:07
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was when they added the gold,
00:53:09
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just so there's something that looks like--
00:53:11
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- Some different cosmetic change.
00:53:14
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- That you can tell at a glance this is the new one.
00:53:17
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Who knows, maybe they'll even anodize
00:53:19
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the aluminum differently,
00:53:21
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go from space gray to space black
00:53:22
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or something like that on the black one.
00:53:24
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But just a color difference or something like that.
00:53:27
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Then I think one tier down,
00:53:31
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they will have a new phone called the iPhone 6C,
00:53:35
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which would be, I think, four inches.
00:53:39
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Possibly all new colors compared to the 5C.
00:53:43
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- I would think so.
00:53:44
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Well, probably the iPod colors.
00:53:46
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- That's, yeah, exactly.
00:53:48
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Like instead of that sort of pastel-y palette,
00:53:50
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maybe more of like a bold, bolder colors,
00:53:53
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like the new iPods, yeah, exactly.
00:53:56
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- Which is, I mean, and they come in silver and gold too.
00:54:00
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- Yeah, well, but I don't think they would do that
00:54:02
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with plastic.
00:54:02
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- You don't think they would do those with,
00:54:03
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oh yeah, 'cause these aren't, the iPods are not plastic.
00:54:06
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- No, they're aluminum. - Yeah, right.
00:54:08
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- But I think colors like those colors.
00:54:10
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But I think it'll be the same type of plastic case
00:54:14
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that the 5C has, just with new colors.
00:54:18
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A8, the camera from the iPhone 6.
00:54:23
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And because the case is thicker,
00:54:26
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it won't have the little nubbin sticking out,
00:54:28
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it'll sit flush.
00:54:29
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It'll be just like an iPhone 6,
00:54:32
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except a four inch screen and a plastic exterior.
00:54:37
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Which is a great phone and I'd be very tempted by it,
00:54:39
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but I suspect I'll be an idiot and buy the bigger one
00:54:43
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►
because I want the camera, really.
00:54:46
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►
Even more than the faster system on a chip
00:54:48
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is I want the best camera possible.
00:54:50
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- I think I might get it.
00:54:54
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- I would be very tempted though.
00:54:55
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- Yeah, I think I really just prefer that size.
00:55:00
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And I held one of those, a friend had one, the 5C.
00:55:06
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I'd held them before, but I held it again recently.
00:55:12
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And I really liked it.
00:55:14
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It just felt really good.
00:55:15
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I mean, the plastic, even the plastic felt,
00:55:17
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It's a nice plastic and the seams are well put together.
00:55:22
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It's a nice little phone, so I actually think I'm gonna go.
00:55:26
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I'm gonna go down.
00:55:26
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- Yeah, I could see it.
00:55:28
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What do you have right now?
00:55:31
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- Yeah, so it'd be a new phone.
00:55:33
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- It's the same phone, just a smaller size in plastic.
00:55:37
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As long as I can get, 'cause I have a 64,
00:55:42
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so that would be, I guess that would be a question,
00:55:44
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is if I could get a 64.
00:55:45
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- Oh, yeah, I wonder.
00:55:47
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- 'Cause I don't, well actually no, I think the...
00:55:52
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- What do they sell now with the iPhone 5S?
00:55:56
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- That's what I'm trying to figure out.
00:55:58
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- 16 and 30. - 16 and 32, right?
00:56:00
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- Yeah, so what you need is you need Apple
00:56:02
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to up the minimum.
00:56:04
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- Right, they would have to update the...
00:56:06
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- If they go 32, 64, 128, then the two tiers
00:56:10
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for the mid-tier one would be 32 and 64.
00:56:14
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- I could see them doing it, I really could.
00:56:18
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And then I think the, I guess, the 5S moves down
00:56:23
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to become the--
00:56:27
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- That's weird though.
00:56:28
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- The free phone.
00:56:29
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That's a little weird. - See that's what's weird.
00:56:31
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- That's where, maybe they keep the 5C around,
00:56:34
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you know, and they have the 5C and the 6C.
00:56:36
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It is a little weird.
00:56:39
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- That's the bottom part, yeah,
00:56:40
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the bottom part is what's confusing to me.
00:56:43
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What do they do down there?
00:56:45
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'Cause they have to have a free phone.
00:56:47
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- Right, and I guess the reason it seems a little weird
00:56:50
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to have the 5S be the free one is without turning it on
00:56:54
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and without knowing what the specs are
00:56:56
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of the system on a chip or the camera,
00:56:58
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it just looks like it's the more premium device
00:57:00
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compared to the plastic 5C.
00:57:03
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- Right. - So I don't know.
00:57:05
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- Doesn't it seem like they could just do a 5S,
00:57:07
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I mean 5S internals in plastic?
00:57:09
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- Yeah, but what would they call it?
00:57:11
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They already have a 5C.
00:57:17
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Apple circa 1993 would have been done.
00:57:25
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Yeah, right.
00:57:27
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The Performa…
00:57:28
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The Performa, the iPhone Performa.
00:57:30
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The Performa 6400CD.
00:57:32
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Well, of course it's called the CD.
00:57:35
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It has a compact disc player.
00:57:37
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That's the one I have.
00:57:41
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640i CD. It has Wi-Fi. Of course we have to put an "i" in there. What do you say?
00:57:54
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What do you think? Do you think you think you're gonna go smaller?
00:57:57
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Well, if I can get 64 I think I will. If what we're describing is what it is, if
00:58:02
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it's basically iPhone 6 internals in a plastic case and the cases are
00:58:06
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are not the current ones.
00:58:10
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The colors are not the current ones.
00:58:11
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They're the more like the current iPod ones
00:58:14
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than the current 5C.
00:58:16
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And I can get 64 gigs.
00:58:18
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I will probably go with the,
00:58:20
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what are we calling it?
00:58:24
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- 6C, I think it'll be called the 6C.
00:58:26
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And I totally, I do, and having spent a week with it
00:58:30
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just now, and I've never done that before.
00:58:33
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Usually by nine months into the iPhone cycle,
00:58:35
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I can't go back to the old one 'cause it feels too slow.
00:58:38
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But the 5S to me totally holds up
00:58:43
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and it feels a little bit slower than the 6, but not much.
00:58:46
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It's like a really good phone.
00:58:49
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The 5S is to me probably the best phone they've ever made.
00:58:53
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►
It's held up past its prime better than any previous phone.
00:58:58
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►
And I miss that form factor.
00:58:59
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►
- Right, that phone to me was the pinnacle
00:59:04
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of iPhone technology.
00:59:06
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- And just the way that the sides are flat
00:59:09
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and the size of it, it feels to me like I couldn't drop it
00:59:11
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►
if I wanted to.
00:59:12
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Like it just feels like undroppable,
00:59:14
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whereas the 6 just feels, still feels like, you know, it's--
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but if you take a deep breath and think about it,
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from someone who eats two or three steaks a week.
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who is like, "Hey, if you wanna pluck my hair out--"
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down in Mexico?
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The drug guy who broke out of prison?
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So you fill me in on that.
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- So I forget his real name,
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but everybody just calls him El Chapo.
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of the Medellin Cartel back in the '80s?
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was real famous. He's a guy who's like hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in drug
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Rita it's is that the official story was that it was with some intelligence from the United States and then the Mexican
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Mexican in federal police uniforms just for the optics, you know that they you know that it didn't look
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Come on, the guy busted out
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right into his cell.
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in the shower.
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- In the shower, that's what, yeah.
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video surveillance, so they have the footage.
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and he just disappears.
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has like mining level expertise digging these tunnels
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because apparently that's how they get
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a lot of the drugs into the United States,
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that they've got like a-- - Okay, of course.
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- They've got like a network of tunnels like this.
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But it's a mile in a little hand dug tunnel.
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They rigged up a dirt bike,
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like a little motorcycle onto a track.
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that's on a track and then it just scooted him
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right out to this building and now he's gone.
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Yeah, lighted, it says lighted and ventilated tunnel nearly a mile long.
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anybody from the media, they've let people from the media down into the tunnel and they've
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let people into his cell and look at the hole that was dug and shine like a flashlight down
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there. But nobody has verified that the tunnel goes all the way from this building right into
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his cell. And there's the... So the conspiracy theory is that he didn't even have to do that.
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That part was faked so there'd be some kind of cover story, but that...
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For him getting out?
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But yeah, but that the corruption is so bad...
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Oh, so somebody just waltzed them out the front door?
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Yeah. That somebody decided... And there's a couple of people who work in the prison
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who've been arrested already for not doing their jobs.
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maybe he cut them a deal where it's like,
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I'll send your family so much money,
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you'll do a couple years, you'll do five years or whatever,
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but I'll make it worth your while.
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just to have a cover story.
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I don't know.
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Either way that means that.
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- I know, I like the previous.
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I like to think that they made the whole tunnel.
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That's just, that's much more, that's much more romantic. The other one is, uh,
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this, uh, disappointing that it's just simple corruption.
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I don't mean to laugh. I mean, it's, you know, yeah, it's not,
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it's not great that he's out, but right. I mean, you know,
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they didn't kill anybody on the way out, but he'll probably get somebody. Oh.
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is that he got into it, or either he
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Have you heard this?
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- What was I asleep all week?
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- Yeah, I don't know.
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So I guess he busted out, and Donald Trump,
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this fit right into Donald Trump's narrative
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that Mexico is not to be trusted,
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and that there's sort of a criminal element
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running wild down there or whatever.
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I don't know, Donald Trump shot his mouth off
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that if he were president,
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nobody would be breaking out of Mexico.
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- I did see that, I didn't understand it.
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I didn't because I didn't know who El Chapo was.
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- But then after he shot his mouth off,
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there was something like an unofficial Twitter account
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for El Chapo that tweeted at Donald Trump
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that he better shut his mouth and watch his back.
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- El Chapo's media intern fired back angrily.
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That's gonna look interesting on a resume.
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- I was a social media manager for El Chapo.
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- I just like the idea that the guy busted out
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of the second, the most secure prison in all of Mexico
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for the second time with all this publicity
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and then he gets on Twitter and starts getting upset
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that Donald Trump is talking bad about him.
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So anyway, if anybody out there is listening
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No insult implied.
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We don't need any trouble.
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El Chapo put, what's it say here?
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I just Googled this.
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El Chapo puts $100 million bounty for Donald Trump dead.
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Wow, that's from TMZ.
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I don't know if that's true.
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- Yeah, only if it comes straight from El Chapo's Twitter
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account, can you trust it?
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- I wonder if he has the check mark.
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- Verified El Chapo.
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- All right, what else is going on?
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Bit of follow up, bit of follow up with Jason Snell
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on the previous episode we had talked about the new Pebble Time smartwatch and
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I complained about the the my two big complaints about the one that I bought
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were that the screen it was very very low contrast I couldn't read it and the
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fonts are too small and that the the vibration alert is way too strong and
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powerful so they came out in the meantime I guess they did listen to my
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show they put out a software update that gives you a little bit of control over
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the screen and over the taptic response and so I got some email from people who
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are like holy cow you just complained about this you know they've fixed it it
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doesn't really fix either of them in my opinion the taptic thing maybe a little
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bit but it still is is taptic thing it seems to me I installed the update it
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does seem like turning that down lessens the feeling like I'm getting an electric
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shock when it vibrates on my wrist, but it's still loud.
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I still can hear it.
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And the brightness thing doesn't solve any
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of the problems at all, because the brightness
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is only when the backlight is on, and it is brighter,
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and that can help a little bit,
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but it doesn't help the contrast at all,
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and it doesn't help at all with the lack of contrast
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when the backlight isn't on at all.
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So I still have to give a thumbs down to the pebble time.
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- I'm assuming that Pebble is in the smartwatch market share numbers that came out.
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- I guess so.
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- I think that's part of the news from this week, the smartwatch.
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- It doesn't say specifically, it just says Apple, Samsung and others.
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And Pebble's, well I don't know, is Pebble,
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I would think Pebble would be bigger than Samsung,
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but I really have no idea.
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- Yeah, I don't know about that.
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Samsung might be ahead of Pebble,
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but Pebble's got it ranked somewhere on there.
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I mean, they've sold, you know.
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- Yeah, well they only have three,
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Apple, Samsung, and others.
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So this is strategy analytics.
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Saying that Apple Watch captures
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75% global smartwatch market share in Q2 2015.
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which doesn't, I mean, you know,
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that doesn't seem terribly surprising.
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Even though nobody really knows how many they shipped.
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- No, nobody knows, so.
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- But on the other hand-- - You think you know,
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you're wrong.
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- On the other hand, nobody knows how many Samsung
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has ever shipped because Samsung stopped reporting
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all those numbers for everything, not just for watches,
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but for smartphones and stuff too a while ago.
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So, you know.
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- Yeah, and I was talking about this with Dan
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and Guy on our show and,
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I just, why does Apple,
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why is Apple the one that seems to report all this stuff
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and nobody else does?
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- Yeah, it's always a little funny to me
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that Apple, which has long had the reputation
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as being the most secretive of companies,
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is the one that, you know,
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reveals the most about its sales and stuff like that.
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And now that they're not, they're still being held
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to a different standard.
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- Amazon doesn't even know how to put a label on an access.
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- I like that people like--
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- They'll only report numbers.
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- Snell, when he was tweeting or posting some of the results
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from all the companies that posted stuff
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in the last week or two.
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'Cause in the interim, Apple has reported
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its quarterly results and a couple other companies did too.
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He calls them Amazon charts.
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So among the many charts he made
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for Apple's quarterly results is he made one
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for Apple Watch sales and it just has a bunch of quarters
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with nothing. - A line going up.
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- Then a line going up and with no access.
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Sales are up from since before it went on sale.
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Yeah, the first quarter is really the best, right?
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They just shoot straight up.
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So I haven't really been paying attention.
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What has happened to Apple's stock price since then?
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I know overnight when they first released their results, their stock dropped something
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like 6% overnight.
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Yeah, it looks like it's still down.
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Although it seems like it's returned a little bit.
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- Down from when though?
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- Well, from before they reported the results.
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So it's at 1.22 now.
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- Yeah, before they announced their results,
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it was up around like 1.30ish, 1.32.
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- Still way up for the year.
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- But it's been sort of flat since about February.
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I mean, going up and down,
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but not really getting out of that same range.
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- Which, you know, on the whole,
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again, what am I, am I a financial expert?
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But it seems to make sense to me
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that a large, very large, and predictable company
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should have a relatively stable stock.
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Like, I don't know.
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To me, it has been, and I can laugh
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because I don't have my money in Apple.
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But I, and I worry sometimes.
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I was thinking about it the other day
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that I crack jokes about the volatility
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of Apple's stock price.
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And it occurred to me that there's probably
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an awful lot of people who read "Daring Fireball"
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and listen to this show who it's not very funny at all.
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- Not very funny. (laughs)
01:20:36
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- And again, and I don't think it's, you know,
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I don't think it's the knee jerk,
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oh, well, they're fans of Apple,
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so they put their money in Apple.
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I think it's probably because they're smart people
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and it's been a very good buy for a long time.
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And I think that a reasonable person
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could reasonably expect that their future remains bright.
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So this has nothing to do with investing in a company
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'cause you're a fan, I think it's smart.
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And I think that when they reveal record-breaking
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quarterly results.
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And the market cap drops $50 billion in after hours trading.
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It's not very funny at all.
01:21:19
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- Why are we laughing?
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- I don't know.
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I do think in all seriousness though,
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I think, and again, I'm not an expert.
01:21:27
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I know that one of the strategic differences
01:21:30
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the company has made in this Tim Cook era
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from the Steve Jobs era is that they've gotten involved
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in the stock buybacks and the,
01:21:39
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what do you call it when they give money
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back to the shareholders? - Dividends.
01:21:43
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- Dividends.
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The dividends, I don't know, maybe not so much,
01:21:48
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but with the stock buybacks,
01:21:49
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that it actually, it's a way to mitigate that
01:21:52
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because presumably, if Apple's smart,
01:21:56
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they waited until after they announced these results
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to do more of the stock. - To buy the stock.
01:22:01
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- Right, that if they could,
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if they are smart enough to foresee
01:22:05
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that the fact that there's so many people
01:22:08
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whose expectations were so high
01:22:10
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that this was considered disappointing
01:22:13
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even though it broke records.
01:22:14
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- Well I guess that's the nice thing
01:22:17
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about being an Apple investor currently
01:22:19
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is that even if the stock is flat,
01:22:20
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there are other things that make it an attractive buy.
01:22:24
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- Right, right.
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Just sit there and hold it
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and you're gonna make more money than you would
01:22:30
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compared to interest rates.
01:22:34
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or spending it like I do.
01:22:38
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But the five, you look at the five year,
01:22:44
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it's pretty good.
01:22:47
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There was a big, there was kind of a run up in 2012
01:22:51
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and then it came back down towards the end.
01:22:53
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But since then it's been climbing fairly steadily.
01:22:57
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- Yeah, if you smooth out 2012 to 2013,
01:23:02
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it still goes up.
01:23:03
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It went, but it's, you know, it's in the long run, it looks like a,
01:23:07
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clearly an anomaly. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Boy.
01:23:11
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I mean it seems like we got the, we got over the, the fear that Tim Cook was not,
01:23:16
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you know, not the man for the job.
01:23:19
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Well it's, but, but the, the,
01:23:22
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the run-up was under Tim Cook too because jobs died at the end of 2011.
01:23:27
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Yeah. I think there was sort of, I think there was sort of a,
01:23:30
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I think there was a mania in 2012 where there was,
01:23:33
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holy shit, they didn't just shut the doors, right?
01:23:38
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They didn't just shut the doors.
01:23:39
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It seems like the company is still,
01:23:42
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employees are still showing up for work.
01:23:44
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The lights are still on in Cupertino.
01:23:48
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So there was like a mania and they ran it up
01:23:51
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and then there was the second half of the year,
01:23:55
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which is, boy, I had some of the best claim chowder
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of all time where the Apple board should fire Tim Cook.
01:24:02
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Why has it taken so long for the Apple board
01:24:05
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to fire Tim Cook?
01:24:06
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- Those are good times.
01:24:09
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- Good times.
01:24:10
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I bet, again, I bet that was a great time to be Tim Cook.
01:24:13
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Not that he was worried.
01:24:17
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I'm sure he wasn't worried.
01:24:18
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- No, no, not at all.
01:24:19
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I thought it was funny.
01:24:22
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- You know, Al Gore's online too.
01:24:26
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Tim, I've been reading and...
01:24:31
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It sounds, I guess that's a little bit more
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like a Bill Clinton.
01:24:33
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- That's a little bit, but still pretty good.
01:24:36
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- Bill Clinton's on line three.
01:24:37
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- Well, that's great, for some reason
01:24:38
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Bill Clinton's on line three.
01:24:40
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- I've been reading Business Insider.
01:24:43
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- I'll do 'em.
01:24:52
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Some guy on Forbes says you shouldn't be
01:24:56
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- Is that true?
01:24:58
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- Forbes contributor.
01:25:00
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So the stock is doing well.
01:25:07
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The company is doing well.
01:25:08
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They have a lot of money.
01:25:11
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And we still have five gigabytes of iCloud storage.
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- And eight gigabyte iPhone 5Cs.
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it's a good segue.
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That should have been the title of the episode.
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I like molds.
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- As well he should be.
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Say what you want about 16.
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You can say what you want about 16 gigabyte phones,
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but you start cracking jokes about molds.
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- Schiller's at your door.
01:28:58
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- So have you seen this, there's a new documentary
01:29:02
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coming out about Steve Jobs.
01:29:04
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- Oh, the documentary.
01:29:06
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- Yeah, that one.
01:29:07
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- That's the one you wanna talk about, not the other one.
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- And it seems to me like they are,
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I mean, I guess it was done.
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I don't even know why, the independent movie business
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seems so complicated to me,
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'cause they screened it at South by Southwest this year,
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which was March.
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Alex Gibney, and I've seen some of his movies.
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I saw his Scientology movie, Going Clear,
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Scientology and the Prison of Belief,
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which was really highly regarded.
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And I find Scientology fascinating.
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It's just such a weird, crazy thing.
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Like it's a religion, like a religious cult
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for rich celebrities. (laughs)
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- No, you're gonna get letters.
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- Well, I don't know.
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- Talk about people coming to your door.
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- Come to my door.
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You know, I used to get a lot of Scientology paraphernalia.
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Did I ever tell you that?
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- Well, when I was growing up,
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I read a lot of science fiction.
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a lot of science fiction.
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I consumed it vociferously.
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Was that the word?
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I read as much of it, voraciously.
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I read as much of it as I could get.
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L. Ron Hubbard.
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I forget this series, I don't know.
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It was one of the, some crazy shit that he wrote late.
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- Yeah, it's the one that they made the stupid triple--
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- No, I read that one too.
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There was Battlefield Earth, which was one novel,
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which was like a series of 10 novels.
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And I didn't think it was good.
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And it was weird.
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It seemed, I swear to God, I'm not making this up.
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I'm not making this up.
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It seemed weird to me.
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And I was like 10th or 11th grade.
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And it seemed weird to me that the bad guys
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in this space opera, it was something about aliens.
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And most people on Earth don't know the aliens are there.
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And then there's a good guy who's protecting Earth.
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And there's bad guys from another planet
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who are trying to take over the earth
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or something like that.
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And the bad guys are psychiatrists.
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- Yeah, well. - And I thought
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that was a little weird.
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- Until you look into Scientology
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and then it suddenly becomes.
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- Right, but I guess I mail ordered the books
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or something like that.
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Well, then I started getting Scientology stuff in the mail.
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And I did not ask for that.
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And I didn't even know it was the same guy.
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'Cause you remember in the '80s,
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there used to be commercials for the Dianetics all the time.
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- Oh yeah, yeah, right.
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- With the volcanoes exploding and stuff like that.
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They sent me stuff like that.
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And my dad, it wasn't like an intervention,
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but my dad was like,
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"How come all this stuff is coming for you?"
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And I was like, "Oh, well, I read this guy's
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like Star Wars type book,
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and I guess they signed me up for this."
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He goes, "Well, donkey."
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- I guess I'm in a cult now, I guess.
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- My dad's advice was don't get into this shit.
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(both laughing)
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- He was right.
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- But anyway, Gibney made a documentary about Scientology
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that was well-regarded, and I enjoyed it,
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but I didn't think, I enjoyed it
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because I'm interested in the subject,
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but I thought it was sort of a weird documentary.
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but now he's made one about Steve Jobs.
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- Right, and this is the one that the Apple executives
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have objected to.
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- Like, ADQ, I think, was the one who tweeted about
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how it was mean-spirited or something like that.
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- Yeah, I think so.
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- Not the man that he knew.
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- Yeah, and I guess he saw it at South by Southwest?
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I don't know, I guess, I hope he saw it.
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I hope he's not saying it without having seen it.
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And the preview looks great.
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I'll put the trailer in the show notes.
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Here I am copying and pasting it right now
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so I don't forget.
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I think I've been doing a good job, just as a meta note,
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I do think I've been doing a better job lately
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of actually putting in the show notes everything
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that I claim to put in the show notes.
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The trailer looks interesting,
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and it makes it look like it's a fair and balanced
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look at the guy's life.
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But the poster to me is a little worrisome.
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Did you see, have you seen the poster?
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- No, I have not.
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- Let me see if I can find a link to the poster.
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The poster is sort of a weird.
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- So this is Steve Jobs, the man in the machine.
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Not to be confused with the other popular movie, Ex Machina.
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- Also that's Steve Jobs.
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Which Steve Jobs builds a robot.
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- Oh man, where's the poster for this movie?
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I don't know.
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Gotta find the poster.
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- Is it in there?
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The one that's just his face?
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- Yeah, it's like a weird Photoshop job,
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'cause that's not what he, yeah, you know?
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It's, they've sort of, yeah, definitely.
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'Cause you can find the original image for that,
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and it's like they've made him look sinister.
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I don't know how else to say it,
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but they've sort of sinister--
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- Well, yeah, it's like it's all,
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they made the background black instead of, right?
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- Yeah. - It looks like he's in
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the shadows instead of just standing in a room.
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- And they kind of gave him like devil eyes,
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you know what I mean?
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Like they've, there's like a Photoshop filter.
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The eyes do look different, don't they?
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Well, he had very dark, he had very dark eyes,
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so his eyes wouldn't, you wouldn't be able to see,
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it looks at, you know what I mean?
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like if you have dark brown or black eyes,
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you don't see the cornea, or not the cornea,
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what's that called, the iris like that.
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- But it makes it look sort of like what happened
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to Anakin Skywalker when he went to the dark side.
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I don't know, so I'm a little worried.
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I do think-- - It's not talking
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about the prequels.
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- I am going to watch this movie, but I did not watch.
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Have you ever watched the Ashton Kutcher one?
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- I have not seen any of them.
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I did not see the Ashton Kutcher one because I didn't even see Pirates of Silicon Valley.
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I just I really don't have a lot of tolerance for these.
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I mean I would rather read a factual account and I guess this is
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this will probably be more factual but eh, yeah.
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So you're not going to go see this. I don't have
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plans to go see it. It's
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Maybe it's too on point, I don't know.
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It seems like,
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it seems like the thing that I would go see,
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so that's why I don't wanna go see it.
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But it seems like they're beating,
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and I give more power to them
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because I don't feel like this is a dirty trick,
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but the Aaron Sorkin movie is coming out in October.
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This documentary is coming out in September,
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so it's a way to sort of,
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clearly the documentary is gonna have less,
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as an independent production,
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It's not gonna have the marketing behind it that the Aaron Sorkin blockbuster stars studied
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fictional, fictionalized, fictionalized?
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What do you call something like that?
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Based on a two-story book, the thing is gonna have.
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So come out beforehand and you can kind of piggyback on the publicity.
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But I'm not quite sure how it was screened at South by Southwest in March and it isn't
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coming out until September.
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I don't know if they have they you know, yes, they show sort of a pre-release
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Yeah, was that like a rough cut or is that yeah probably yeah, I don't know
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Eddie Q called it mean-spirited, but I don't know maybe that doesn't mean that it's you know, maybe that I don't know
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I I've liked the guy's previous films enough that I'm gonna give it a shot
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It seems like you could you could kind of portray him
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In in you know, depending on what you want to show you can portray him in many different ways
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- Yeah, well, I will put it--
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- There's definitely some things about Steve Jobs
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that weren't great. (laughs)
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I don't think anybody necessarily denies that,
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but if you chose to just show those things, though,
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it wouldn't necessarily be an accurate depiction.
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- Right, so be curious, and it sounds as though
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he's gotten some people who used to work for him
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to do interviews.
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I'm interested to see how recently they worked for him.
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Like, is this all stuff from the '80s and '90s,
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or has anybody who's worked with him
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in the last 15 years opened up?
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- Yeah, 'cause he each certainly changed over the years.
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- Yeah, but-- - Not that he was ever
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like laid back, but I think most of his worst screaming
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was probably during the 80s.
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- I've heard stories. - You don't think so?
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Okay, all right.
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- Well, no, no, I think you're right.
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I think you're right that most of it and the worst--
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- I'm not saying you're shocked, I'm just saying.
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- Right, but that there were still some good stories
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from recent years of yelling and screaming.
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- Trying to think what else is going on.
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Have you got anything else going on?
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- We can talk about Spectre.
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You wanna talk about Spectre?
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- Oh, we should talk about that, but let me take a break.
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and longtime supporters of the show. So, Specter, new trailer for Specter came out last week.
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- I have mixed feelings about it.
01:41:37
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- Well, yeah.
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And are your mixed feelings simply because of what you wrote?
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- Yes. - Okay.
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See, I didn't get what you're alluding to there.
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So wait, where did you read, so where did it say
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chilling connection between Bond and his enemy?
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- Oh, that's on their website.
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if you go to 007.com and--
01:42:05
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- Okay, 'cause I think I saw it on YouTube or something.
01:42:08
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- Yeah, so I will put this in the show notes.
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I'm trying to remain as spoiler-free as I can for this,
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although not quite to the degree I'm doing
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for the Star Wars movie.
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The Star Wars movie, I don't even,
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I didn't even watch the second trailer.
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- Oh my God.
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- I swear to God, I'm going full-on,
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like you say Star Wars and I just go,
01:42:29
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"Nah, nah, nah, nah, my ears are covered."
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I just don't want to know the goddamn thing.
01:42:36
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With the Spectre trailer, I did go there and I read it.
01:42:41
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And at Whiskas, our friend of the show, Dave Whiskas,
01:42:45
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vouched for me that this was not a,
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'cause he's got no self control.
01:42:50
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He has absolutely no self control whatsoever.
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So if they released a trailer called the spoiler trailer,
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Here's the spoiler trailer.
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It'll spoil everything in the movie.
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- It'll tell you everything that's happening in the movie.
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- Dave Whiskus would watch it and then regret it instantly,
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but then he would watch it.
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He vouched for me that the trailer,
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the second, the new trailer for "Spectre"
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was not spoilery.
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And I agree with his conclusion having seen it.
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I don't feel like I know the plot of the movie really.
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Other than what the title alone tells you,
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which is that, you know, all right, "Spectre's" back.
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I was bothered though by the insinuation that there's like some kind of boyhood connection between James Bond and Spectre.
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Well, and this, maybe I'm wrong about that. I don't know.
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It does not say boyhood.
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No, no, but it does say connection, but it does not say boyhood.
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Right, but I don't know. I got a bad feeling about it.
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Like I know indeed. Yeah, I agree that if you're if you're
01:43:55
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Your supposition is correct then I that does seem kind of lame
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So I'm hoping it's not that the best the best email I got from a reader saying hey
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I don't think we should wear I got the heat somebody wrote to me. I forget I forget everybody writes me email
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But there's here's what made me feel better about it. This is my fear. My fear is that
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that Christoph Waltz is Blofeld. Now, so far so good. If they're not saying it,
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they're saying Christoph Waltz is in the film, they're saying that he's like the
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leader of Spectre. If his name is Blofeld, fantastic. But they haven't spoiled that.
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I don't know if it is or not. Everybody is thinking maybe. That would be great.
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My worry is that they're gonna say like James Bond and Blofeld are like long-lost
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brothers or something like that. You know, that there's some kind of like family
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relationship or something like that. And somebody who reads Daring Fireball said,
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"You know what? I was worried about that too, but then I thought about it and
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realized that there's no way, even if they had the idea to do that, they'd
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realize they couldn't because Austin Powers did that." And they would realize
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that they've stepped into the realm of parody and
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and goofiness because Austin Powers had already done that with Dr. Evil.
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Well, good point.
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The worrisome aspect would be if the people making Spectre haven't even seen Austin Powers.
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And like they're putting the finishing touches on the edit right now.
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They're doing the color correction, double checking the spelling and all the titles,
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Credits, you know make sure everybody's you know got their name spelled right in the credits and they're putting some guy walks into the editing room
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This is the plot to Austin Powers
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Back in here
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Change some change couple scenes real fast
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November you have to rerecord some of these lines
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Well the trail I mean the trailer itself I think looks great. Yeah, it does look great
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It's you know, it's got basically everything you want to see you know
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And James Bond trailer. Yeah, I also I like the idea that
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Without any kind of single overarching plot that spanned all these films that they're tying together
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Some of the characters from the entire
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Daniel Craig era, right?
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Yeah, you know with mr. White who's played by here's his name. J. Who's a real creepy looking guy Jesper Christiansen
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he was the the the bad guy pulling the strings in Casino Royale and
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Then at the end of Casino Royale James Bond shows up at his porch and shoots him in the leg
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Right, and then it's you know
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The the best part of quantum of solace is that it opens like immediately afterwards and he's got he's got him in the trunk of
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of his car, which is really cool.
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It was kind of a cool thing,
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'cause they never really did that with the Bond movies.
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They never really--
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- Tied 'em together in any way.
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- Yeah. - Really, yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, they were all, for the most part,
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I mean, a couple references here and there,
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and then a couple dumb references.
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This never happened to the other guy.
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Well, my favorite example of the opposite of that,
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and back in the day when Dan and I were reviewing
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all these movies, they used to recast,
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they just cast the same actor in totally different roles.
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you only live twice,
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which is the one where Bond goes to Japan.
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Sean Connery film.
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I guess his fifth one, after "Thunderball."
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And he meets the MI6 agent.
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He's like an older British fellow
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who's been their station guy in Tokyo for a long time.
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And then he gets, he's a very nice guy,
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but he says to James Bond, it's kind of a famous scene,
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he's gonna make him a drink, and he says,
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"I'm gonna make you a vodka martini,
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"stirred, not shaken," right?
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And of course that's backwards,
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but Connery being a gentleman just says,
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"Sure, good enough.
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"Don't make a fuss, don't make a scene."
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And then the poor guy before,
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I think before he could even finish the drink,
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he got stabbed.
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- Well anyway, that same actor is the guy
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who plays Blofeld in Diamonds Are Forever two movies later.
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So like two movies later.
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- Back then, particularly like 60s, early 70s,
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the only way you would see the movie is if it came on TV.
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The only way you'd see it again is if it came on TV.
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So they have a like, sure, we'll just use the same actor.
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We like the guy, we know the guy.
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- They didn't even put makeup on him,
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they didn't give him a wig or anything.
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He looked exactly the same,
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except that instead of wearing a kimono,
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he was wearing whatever you call those suits
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that Blofeld wears.
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- Naru jacket, right?
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- Yeah, exactly, Naru jacket.
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- Now, you had posted sort of a,
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kind of more like an Easter egg, right?
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From Casino Royale.
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someone had pointed out, which was the guy who tosses in the car keys in the parking
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lot says park, tells him to park the car and then he like rams it into somebody's car.
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Look like Blofeld.
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No, no, no, not Blofeld.
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That's right.
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Look like Goldfinger.
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And, and then the, the, the license plate was sort of a, what do you call those things?
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- The code for-- - Hexadecimal color.
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- Hexadecimal, yeah, for like a goldish.
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- The license plate to me was stretching it,
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'cause it's, I feel like if they were gonna do it
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on the license plate, maybe it would have been
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more like the atomic number for gold or something like that.
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- No, I mean it sincerely, that I think the hex color
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was really stretching it.
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- And it's not quite, it's not really very goldish.
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- But his car was gold.
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it was a gold colored Lexus or something like that.
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And he does it.
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I mean, it's like the exact same sweater.
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To me, it's like beyond coincidence.
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Like maybe they weren't actually saying,
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"Hey, this is gold finger."
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Maybe they were just kind of goofing around
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and it's not really--
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- Yeah, that's what it seemed like to me.
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It's more like an Easter egg than it's a--
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- Well, yeah.
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- Just a funny thing to put in.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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Like we have to have a guy who's gonna toss him the keys
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and we want him to, you know, he's gonna be a jerk
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and purposefully back his car into a thing.
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So we're gonna make the guy a jerk
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who just sort of assumes that he's the, you know,
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And then once you go down that path
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of making the guy a jerk, why don't you make him Goldfinger?
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It's kind of a cool joke.
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I saw another thing too, I will put it in the show notes.
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Somebody, I didn't tweet this yet though,
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but somebody found out, somebody figured out,
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there's a, in one of the old Ian Fleming novels,
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I think it was on Her Majesty's Secret Service,
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which was widely regarded as one of the best books
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that he wrote, and that's the one that George Lazenby,
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Lazenby played the role, is polarizing.
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It's my least favorite of the classic Bond movies.
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Some people love it though.
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But anyway, in the novel, James Bond has to escape
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from somewhere and he doesn't have any weapons on him,
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so he uses his Rolex as a quote unquote knuckle buster.
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So it's like brass knuckles.
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So he takes his Rolex off, puts it around his fist,
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and uses the stainless steel Rolex to bust some jaws.
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And then they even said, it was like in the novel,
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It was like, and then like the next day he like woke up
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and the first thing he did was go to like a jeweler
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to get a new Rolex because it's the only,
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it's like the only, it's like somehow it's like described
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as like the only watch that you can trust
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to like crack skulls with.
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So somebody figured out by freeze framing
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in Casino Royale at the very end of Casino Royale
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in the fight scene in Venice while the building is sinking,
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at some point when James Bond is fighting those guys,
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there's a scene where it looks like he turns his left wrist
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upside down as though the way you would
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to take off your watch, and then it cuts immediately.
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But then if you look at all of the punches he throws
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in the next scene, so you can see that Daniel Craig
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has a watch around his arm.
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It's very clear. - Oh, so really?
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- Yeah, very, very clear. - Oh, interesting.
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- And so the speculation is that,
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but there's also, and that's the one
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with the really, really prominent product placement
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where on the train where he first meets Vesper Lind,
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and he's like, "Well, you..."
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And he says, "I'm good at poker 'cause I can read people."
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And he reads her, and then she tries to read him,
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and she says, "I bet you have a Rolex,"
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and he goes, "Omega," which is super, super...
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Not only is he wearing an Omega wristwatch,
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he says it, and he says it as though it means
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that it's better than a Rolex.
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It's like the best product placement they could ever have.
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The speculation, nobody knows this,
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but the speculation is maybe they were going
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use it that way and the Omega people were like we don't we don't want to you
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don't we don't want to see the washing them getting smashed into somebody I
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think they're nuts though I think if the Omega people shut that down they're out
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of their minds I think that that's it it would have like even doubled what was
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already the best watch product placement and bond history yeah but it was a cool
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thing to me people they paid come pretty like car companies pay tremendous
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amount to see those cars destroyed. Right, exactly. Yeah, I mean like Mercedes was a big part of the
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Jurassic world. Oh, I haven't seen it yet. Mercedes, you know, like Jeep type things everywhere. Yeah,
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and even one there's one, there's one I thought was kind of egregious but I like the movie but
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they're the kids or the kids run off on their own they escape they're sort of
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the person watching them and they run off on their own and they're like they
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because they want to have a good time and she's just like plodding them
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through the dumb stuff the dumb parts of the the park and and so the older kid
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says you know they go see something oh I guess they go see the giant like fish
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dinosaur thing and then the older kid says to the the younger kid let's go
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Let's go see something else really cool and then they cut immediately to her Mercedes
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And then you know and like somebody walks in I mean it's it's a you know, it's sort of a seamless thing
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But it's like I was just like oh god
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They clearly paid for that. There's no way
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but yeah, I mean those things all get like French stuff and
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Yeah, did shoot up and pooped out by dinosaurs, yeah, yeah, so who knows maybe it wasn't maybe it was just cut out
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out just for the sake of cutting it out. Maybe it wasn't even at their request, who knows?
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But it was a nice, I swear to God I will put a link in the show notes, but it's a nice
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homage to original Ian Fleming source material. And it came about somehow, the guy who wrote
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about it was on a movie blog and he got the tip from a collector who bought the original
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prop that Daniel Craig wore for those scenes. And it was a replica of whatever Omega Seamaster
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he was wearing at the time, but with a steel band, but with a, it was the watch itself
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was like rubber. And he bought that original prop. And it drove people, it made him, he
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was like, I did, you know, somehow I guess he talked to somebody with the props department,
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But it didn't make any sense that they would even have that prop.
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And then he like went back and like watched the movie real closely and like freeze-framed
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and figured out, you know, where it was used.
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How many movies is he in for from here on?
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That's a good question.
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I think he's in for at least one more.
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Yeah, I think it's one more.
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I was trying to see if it was on his Wikipedia, but I don't see it.
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No, I think it's at least one more.
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that would bring him to five, right?
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Yeah. - Yeah, yeah.
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- Which is, you know, and would also bring him to,
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you don't wanna run into the Roger Moore problem
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where even with Hollywood makeup, you look,
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you just look too old.
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No, he's not that old.
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He's not that good. - No, no,
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and he's a great-- - He's still in his 40s,
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Yeah. I mean, Roger Moore was like, was he like 83 when he filmed the next one?
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He was really old by the time. I mean, like those action scenes were just,
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you'd see some guy struggling to move and then all of a sudden he's running like
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I think that was the one we had to,
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I think he had to like run up the stairs of the Eiffel Tower.
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That's yeah, that's exactly. Yeah.
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And it really was like this. Yeah.
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- Yeah, the stunt was just Roger Moore
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running up a flight of stairs.
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- Wiped him out.
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Was no good for like a week after that.
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- To his credit, he was on the record
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is that he wanted to wrap it up
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after whichever one he made in like 1981
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or something like that.
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And they begged him. - Put more money at him.
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- Yeah, and just, and he made two more.
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He made two more than he wanted to make.
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Anyway, that feels like a show.
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I don't have anything else on my list of topics
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to talk about. - No.
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- John Moltz, I thank you for returning to the show.
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Where can people get more Moltz?
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- Well, @Moltz on Twitter or verynicewebsite.net.
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- And your podcast with-- - Yes, my podcast
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with Dan Morin and usually Lex Friedman,
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The Rebound, reboundcast.net, and what's the other one?
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Turning this car around with Lex and Jon Armstrong.
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- Yeah, that's a parenting podcast.
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- Yes, and business ideas.
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- And business ideas.
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- Yeah, Death Coaster, Death Coaster is one of our babies.
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The theme park built around a Death Coaster.
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You should open up a restaurant.
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That's a good business for you.
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- Deathcoaster restaurant?
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- Yeah, yeah, combine the two.
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- There'll definitely be a restaurant in the theme park.
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- All right, thank you, Jon.
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- My pleasure.
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- All right, go pick up your kid.
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