120: ‘The Move to Frisco’ With Guest Dan Frommer
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You're a letterman fan. Yes, you've been watching the end of the show sort of. Yeah,
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I watched last night and the night before. Yeah, the Bill Murray popping out of a cake.
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That was kind of strange. It was like to me, it was a real throwback to the 80s. I mean,
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that's the type of just nonsense from the the late night show in the 80s. Yeah. And I don't know,
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like some of it it almost seems like that the fact that Bill Murray was there was almost wasted
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but I guess not because so much of it is reminiscing and those and the you know the old
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videos and that kind of stuff but it was fun so we're recording on Wednesday the 20th letterman's
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final show will air actually he's probably funny I didn't even think about it he's probably recording
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it as we are. That's actually kind of, whoa, this gave me goosebumps.
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Pete: Should we hang up and go?
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Jon: It's funny, I've never gone. I'm a huge Letterman fan. Never once
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saw him live and I do kind of regret that.
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Pete I never got to see Jordan live either, so.
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Pete It's okay. We'll live.
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Jon Did I ever see Jordan live? I don't think I did. I don't think I did. I think I wasted all
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of those years. I almost had, I had tickets once. One time early on in the run of his show on CBS,
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so this was probably, I think about, it was probably 1998, thinking about where I lived.
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I had a roommate for a year and they did a thing where they were going to
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have like a whole week of shows where their audiences were all going to be from the same city.
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And so one night that week, the whole audience was from Philadelphia. And you know, you entered
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a contest and you did it. And my roommate and I thought, "You know what? We've never gone. We've
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always wanted to see Letterman. Let's enter this and we'll be in the Philly crowd." And we won.
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And so we got, you know, I don't know, thousands of people entered. We were one of like three,
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you know, 300 who got two seats. And all we had to do was show up for like a bus around noon,
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and they were going to bus everybody up together. And we were getting ready to go, and my roommate
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like checked his email, and there was a thing that was like, "All you have to do is click
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this button by, you know, last Friday, and you're good to go." And it was like,
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I just looked at him, I was like, "Are you freaking kidding me?" And he's like, "I'm sorry."
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So we won, but we didn't claim the tickets in time. And so I guess the idea behind it was,
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you know, they want to make sure they filled the whole theater. And so the click the thing was like,
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"Okay, you've won, but are you sure you're going to go?" And then it was like, that's all you had
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to do. But in the meantime, they filled our seats with alternates.
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Oh, well, that's a good story. Probably better than the show would have been. Maybe. I don't know.
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I've never been to any of those tapings. And I even live in New York City, and I've been here for
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now, uh, 10 years basically, and I've never gone to on it, but I, my first year in New
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York, I found some email mailing list where you sign up and you get emails inviting you
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to be in studio audiences for random stuff.
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And I've never even gone to one of those, but it's funny to see the stuff that comes
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It's, you know, weird game shows.
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And um, one day maybe I'll go to a Fallon now that he's, he's the man.
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Yeah. Or the Seth Meyers show. Or Seth, yeah. I don't know. I'm a little wistful about the
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Letterman thing. I guess I think he's right. It's like one of those things where
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I think he's right that this is the time to go. I do think he's—I think he's—I think he picked
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the right time. I think sooner would have been too soon, and I think it probably is time. But
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it's still—it's like you just—how can you not be sad if you're a fan?
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Yeah, and I wonder how much of it has to do with not just, you know, hosting the show,
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but all the other demands that being, you know, being a public figure in the media today are.
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For example, he doesn't really do anything online, he doesn't really do anything in social media,
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and I wonder how much of that gig now is that sort of stuff. Maybe it's none of it, I don't know.
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No, he's pretty clear about it. I think it was in the New York Times interview. Either that or he
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did two big interviews recently, which is unusual for him. He's, you know, usually pretty reticent.
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But he did the New York Times interview and the Rolling Stone interview, cover story really.
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I think maybe in both places it was acknowledged that the game today with the late night show
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is partly, at least partly, to make viral bits that can be separated from the rest of the show
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five minutes on YouTube and can get shared. And that his show really doesn't do that,
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and it's not really set up to do that.
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kind of the opposite of John Oliver,
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which is basically exists to feed
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the Monday Morning Blogger quota.
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- Right. - Every single site
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rushing to summarize what he said the night before.
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- That is exactly what happens with his show.
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It is so funny.
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It's like, why don't you just let people watch it?
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Well, but that is one way, you know,
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wink to let people watch it is to have them watch it on your blog with your, you know,
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your summary and commentary.
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Hey, I really enjoyed your intimate look at your iPhone stands and I want to send you
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You posted this weekend, Daring Fireball, your two iPhone docs and I think you'll get
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a kick out of the one that I bought in Tokyo.
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Is this for real?
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Is this for real?
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I don't wanna even say,
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did you own this stock?
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- Yeah, I bought it in Tokyo.
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- All right, I don't even think we should talk about it.
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I'm going to put it in the show notes right now
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as Dan's iPhone dock.
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You're all gonna have to go and load the show notes
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and see this for yourself because there's absolutely no way
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that we can do justice to it,
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unless you really wanna talk about it.
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- I'll just tell you the backstory.
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Here's what I think.
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I don't even remember.
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Uh, well, I know where I found it.
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I found it in, uh, Tokyo hands, which is the greatest.
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Uh, it's, it's kind of a mixture of a home Depot and, um, I don't know, like a
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bed bath and beyond or something like that.
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I don't know.
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It's just a great home and a hardware store in Tokyo.
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And I think it, it, I don't think it's the same company that makes the, uh,
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incredibly realistic food models that you would see outside of a Japanese restaurant where
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uh you know the each little piece of sushi looks perfect and that kind of stuff i bought those in
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the past does this thing have a charger no no no so it just props it up it's just a way to prop up
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i have a i have a six plus i don't need a charger sir uh uh anyway the year before i bought this i
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I got an iPhone 4S case that's bacon and eggs,
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and that looks even more ridiculous.
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So this cheeseburger iPhone holder is my favorite.
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I wanted to get one for the office,
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but I was worried that someone would snag it
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'cause it's just so crazy.
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- I've been meaning to write about these iPhone docs
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for a while, and it's just one of those things
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where I didn't really have a reason to, and then went at.
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So the thing is is Apple came out yesterday--
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- Right, and that was the context.
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Right, with a new lightning thing.
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And it's just been--
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I like having an iPhone dock, a charging dock, though.
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I like that if I'm going to have to charge my phone while I'm
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at my desk or something like that,
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why not have it on a dock?
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It's better than having it lay down.
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But over the years, it's just been like nobody
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could ever keep it straight.
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The original iPhone shipped with a dock.
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It was right there in the box.
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And it was a great dock.
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And then it didn't fit the 3G or 3GS.
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And it's like, oh, well, no.
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And then they didn't come with a dock.
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And then the iPhone 4 came out.
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And it turned out the iPhone 4 fit in the original iPhone
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dock really well.
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Even though the iPhone 4 had a sort of square bottom,
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and the original iPhone was more like the Apple Watch,
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sort of a pill-shaped, capsule-shaped thing,
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it just fit in the crevice they had for it almost perfectly.
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And the 30-pin was more than enough to keep it stable.
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So I went back to the original dock with my iPhone 4 and 4S.
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But then ever since, it's been a shit show.
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- I never had a dock until the elevation dock,
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which came, what, two weeks before the cord switched.
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So that was it for me.
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I was like, all right, I'm not buying anymore.
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- I somehow wound up with two elevation docks.
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I think I bought one, I did the Kickstarter,
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and then I think they sent me one as like,
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You know like in my role as a you know, maybe you'll link to it public figure type thing
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I don't know says I don't remember buying two but somehow I wound up with two and never used either of them because
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Exactly. They it only shipped like two it was 30 pin and it only shipped two weeks before the the first lightning phone came out
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I guess that must have been the iPhone 5
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And they did have a thing where you can you can go there now even and get like a kit so you can transform it
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and from a 30 pin thing to a lightning thing,
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but I never bothered with that.
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- No, who wants to do that?
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- Well, I'm sure some people do,
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but it wasn't worth it for me.
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- No, nor I.
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- The big things for me with the dock is,
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in most cases, you wanna be able to use it one-handed.
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In other words, you don't have to put one hand on the dock
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and one hand on the phone to separate it
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without picking up the dock with the phone.
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And you want it to be able to fit.
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I like the idea.
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I mean, I waste money on everything.
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I just like the idea though of getting a dock
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and then being able to use it for maybe more than a year
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just in case the iPhone shape sizes changes.
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So I like the idea of a dock that is sort of agnostic
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to the shape of the iPhone.
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- Future proof?
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- Future proof.
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- Well, it makes sense too
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because so many people use a case now
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and that's a slightly different shape
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than a phone with no case
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or there are so many different sizes.
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There's 5C, 5S, 6, 6 Plus.
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So lots of different phones to handle with one design.
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- Yeah, the new iPhone dock from Apple seems,
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I'm curious, I guess I'll buy one
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just because I'm, again, I'm really bad with money.
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I don't need it, but I'm curious about how it works,
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so I guess I'll buy one.
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because it doesn't have any kind of,
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the only thing that, it's just a lightning nubbin
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that sticks out of a flat piece of plastic.
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There is no back, there's no slot that the phone goes into.
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It's just a lightning, the lightning port itself
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is the only thing that's gonna support the phone,
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which sounds like it would be a little fragile,
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but I don't know, maybe they've figured some way
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to make it really sturdy.
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- It makes me feel less irresponsible
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for picking my phone up by its lightning cable
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all the time, which I do.
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- Yeah, do you have the problem where you,
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your lightning cables kinda wear out over time
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because of that?
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- Has not happened yet.
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In fact, the one I'm using now is a third-party one,
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and even that one has been really good, so.
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- It seems like it's tricky business designing a dock,
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because like you said, number one, future-proving it,
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you wanna go for different thicknesses
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and widths of the iPhone,
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and then you wanna go case or no case,
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and how many types of cases can you manage to support,
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- And how easy do you want it to be to dock and undock it,
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whereas it seems that Lightning has its own kind of
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tension system built in, so.
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- I don't know.
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I don't use, yeah, that's why I don't use a dock.
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Just kinda plug in and flop it down
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on the table next to me.
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I have a question for you though, which is,
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why do you think they made this?
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Or if they'd had it a long time ago,
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why do you think they decided to ship it now?
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- Somebody said, and I don't know if it's right or not,
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but somebody said on Twitter that the docs over the years,
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a lot of them that Apple has,
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Apple's own first party doc for iPhone
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has often come out mid-cycle on the iPhone,
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that they didn't come out alongside the phones.
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And I don't know why that would be.
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I saw somebody else who tweeted that,
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I think it was Jeremy Horowitz,
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who's at 9to5 Mac now, that he, I guess he got one already
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and it, like he read the fine print on the box or whatever
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and it was 2014, so it must have, you know,
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they must have started assembling them months ago,
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but they didn't start selling them until now.
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I don't quite get it.
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I think the basic idea though is that for some people,
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a dock, whether you use it at your desk
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or you use it like at your bedside or you have both,
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it's, you know, it's a sensible place.
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If you're gonna charge your phone at the same place
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all the time, it makes sense to have a dock
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instead of just a cable.
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I mean, if you just have a cable,
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you definitely can't do it one-handed.
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You need two hands.
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So the one-hand ability is definitely, to me, a convenience.
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And I get my desk, like when I'm developing,
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you know, working on betas of Vesper and stuff like that,
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as a dev, I know almost all developers have some kind of dock
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so that they can have their phone in a usable,
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readable state alongside their computer.
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I have some corrections to make.
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- Uh-oh. - I should get this
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out of the way. - Let's do it.
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Actually, a lot of these are pretty old.
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Paul Kaphakis was on the show, I don't know, two months ago, and we were talking about
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aspirin and whether it was something that was thousands of years old or like a hundred
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So aspirin, as we know, it was first produced 110 years ago in the late 1800s.
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Sort of a snake oil type thing, but it actually worked.
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But the natural form of it, which is called salicylic acid, is found in plants, i.e. the
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willow and myrtle, and has been used for thousands of years.
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So that's the source of the confusion.
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As early as 3000 B.C., the ancient Egyptians used willow bark and myrtle to reduce pain
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And those are some of the ingredients that were used to make aspirin starting in the
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So it's sort of a little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. I have another note
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here. I don't even remember which show it was. I think it was Merlin Mann when we were
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talking about—
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Man, these are old shows.
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Yeah, well, I forgot to look at these notes. I have these notes for all the follow-up,
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all the corrections. Really, this should be a very long list, because I make a lot of
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mistakes every episode. But when Merlin was on, we had a discussion about when to let
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our growing children watch which movies.
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And I said that, you know, "Caddyshack" came up,
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and I said, "No, of course Jonas
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"hadn't seen "Caddyshack" yet."
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And then my wife was actually listening to the show,
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of letting him watch it.
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for a couple minutes during one scene.
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like, "Just look over there for a second." And it's a great movie to see. And then you watch it
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again like 50 times in college and it's a totally different movie at that point. But why not?
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Tom Bilyeu: Yeah. Again, no idea which episode this was for, but somebody—I guess we were talking
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about some of my eye problems and we were talking about that Warby Parker should make a monocle.
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ends up they do make a monocle. I'll put that in the show notes. Warby Parker does make a
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monocle. I don't know that I would recommend it. It seems to me like that's sort of taken the,
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you know, the hipster, the hipster thing a little far going with a monocle. But there you go.
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That's marketing, man.
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Warby monocle. There he goes right in the show notes.
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Joanna Stern. Joanna Stern was the great Joanna Stern was on the show a few weeks ago and we were
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talking about these both of us had turned out bought the same bluetooth headset beats
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power beats these little beats power beats or bluetooth they're meant for like you know wearing
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my exercise and stuff i'd never had bluetooth you ever had bluetooth headphones no so i'd never had
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had them before and I bought them while I was testing the watch because I wanted to
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- And these are like the $180 ones?
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- Yeah, they're, you know, like everything from Beats are pretty expensive.
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I find I've been pretty happy with them so far.
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Pretty comfortable.
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- And these are the ones that had that little like kind of finger coming off them that holds
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in your ear?
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- Yeah, sort of.
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There's like a thing that wraps around your ear and then there's a thing that goes in
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But the complaint we both had was that the latency was really bad, just the Bluetooth latency.
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So like when you pause, it was like, it felt to me, I don't know what it really was, but it felt to me like a second or two goes by before the audio actually pauses.
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And then you hit play again and it's a second or two before it plays, which was like driving me nuts.
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And somebody sent in, I forget who, sorry, I don't remember, that you got to run the Beats Updater.
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There's a firmware update for these headphones you go to
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I'll put it in the show notes, but anybody who bought these things guy it never even occurred to me
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I guess it makes sense that there would be such a thing, but I've never thought of
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Headphones as having firmware that you could update
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so you run this beats updater and
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It still is not quite it
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I don't think Bluetooth can ever you know is ever gonna match the latency of hardware
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But you know like a you know a cable but it it's a it reduces the latency all the way down to what I expected
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At the outset there's like a fraction of a second where when you pause
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Until it actually pauses and there's a fraction of a second when you go to restart the audio before it actually starts playing again
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But it seems totally reasonable and way different than what it was when I opened them out of the box
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So anybody out there who buys like these beats
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Headphones if you get these Bluetooth ones and you find the latency is like insane
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like how could they do this get this updater the updater is weird too it's
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like a Mac app that you run that then goes to opens a web page in Safari and
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it's the web page that shows you the progress as it updates a thing that's
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plugged into your device by USB very strange but it worked isn't that amazing
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software update for your headphones it just never would have occurred to me to
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look how do you how do you charge them and how often do you charge them USB you
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charge them by USB there's a little micro USB thing on the bottom of the
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left earpiece and it has a rubber nub and that covers it I guess for you know
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sweat and water resistance so you just plug it in by USB so the the fact that
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Apple made that iPhone dock and and does not yet have a proper charging station
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is something that puzzles me.
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But, you know.
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- Charging station for what?
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- Well, just now I have three things I plug in
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almost every night.
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Four if you count this new MacBook.
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And now if I get wireless headphones, that's five.
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So someone's gotta do a, you know, it could be Apple.
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I don't know, someone's gotta do
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the best charging station possible.
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- So how long do they last?
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I think that they say they last like six hours.
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- All right, so that's once a week or something.
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- I've been running a lot recently,
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at the last, since the weather's gotten nicer.
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And I did have one run where my headphones conked out
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halfway through, and I was very confused.
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It just was like, it just plays like a little sad song,
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like, (imitates guitar)
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and then I guess that means we're out of juice, goodbye.
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And then you got nothing.
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So I don't know, I try to remember to charge him
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every second day or two, I don't know.
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It's hard to know.
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do get a little battery meter in your status bar in iOS. So it's like when you have them
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paired with your phone, it shows up in between your phone's battery indicator and the little
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Bluetooth icon in the status bar. There's a little vertical battery, a little tiny one.
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It's actually hard for me to see, but I can kind of get a rough picture of whether it's
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like mostly full or mostly empty. So you can see the battery on your phone of the charge
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of your headphones. It's all fiddly enough. The whole thing is fiddly enough that I now
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understand why Apple doesn't ship their own wireless headphones yet.
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Darrell Bock Yeah. But it works well with the watch?
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Dave: It did in my testing, but in real life I don't – what I really want to listen to
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do is podcasts.
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- And to listen to podcasts, I still need my phone,
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so I've still got my phone on my arm while I'm running.
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I have it paired with my phone 99.9% of the time.
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I did pair it to the watch while testing it
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to see if it worked, and it did work,
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but that's really only good for music
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that you stick on your watch.
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- So strange they didn't launch with podcast support,
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but priorities, I guess. - Well, it is strange.
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- Yeah, and who knows what the schedule is
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for third-party apps.
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I mean, a WatchKit app is never gonna be able to do it.
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There's no way, like Marco can't make Overcast
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store anything locally on the watch yet, right?
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It's all, WatchKit is all stuff that runs
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and stores stuff on the phone.
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So the only way that you could get podcasts on it now
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would be if you put the actual podcast episodes
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in your iTunes library and then made a playlist in iTunes.
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this sounds like having an iPod in 2002. You make a playlist and then you tell your watch,
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"That's the playlist I want to sync to." But then you're stuck managing your podcast by hand like
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Tom Bilyeu: Yeah, it's not worth it yet.
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Darrell Bock No. I mean, it would, in theory, be nice. I would love to go running without the
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phone and just have the watch. And I don't care about GPS, so that wouldn't bother me. But it's
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to have the podcast to listen to, I still need the phone.
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Cool. What else you got?
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Correction wise. Oh, one more thing. And this is like super nerdy. This was last week with
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David Sparks on the show and I said, it was my mistake, not his, that RTF, you know,
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the rich text format that TextEdit has long defaulted to, I think all the way back to the next
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days even before next was purchased by
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apple you know the rich text format and that's a microsoft originated format was
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sort of cross-platform
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uh... wasn't supported i was i said it still isn't supported in i was and i was
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talking about the complications that people you know you have a few
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you'd if you restore your text anything but plain text
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that long-term eventually whatever style text format you have chosen to use
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is not going to be supported anymore
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and it turns out rich text format is in i_o_s_ as of i was seven
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i was seven added it and i'll put a link in the show notes there's an and s are
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at r_t_f_ text document type
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in i_o_s_ as of i was seven
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but uh... and so it's not even that recent i guess i guess it's two years
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ago but i'd i did not know that
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what uh... anyway from i_o_s_ one through six there was no r_t_f_ support
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so i was kind of right
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What format does the notes app use?
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- That's a very good question.
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I think that it now uses HTML under the hood.
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- Interesting, 'cause I believe it does styling, right?
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- Yeah, it didn't use to and now it does
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and I believe it's HTML.
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It's some kind of HTML under the hood
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but you're not supposed to know that.
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- Yeah, interesting.
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What does Vesper use?
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- That's plain text.
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- Oh, that's right.
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- Right, which is a very deliberate choice on our part.
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- Yeah, cool.
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- I think that's it though.
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Now I think I've cleared the deck on corrections and mistakes.
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- Speaking of those Bluetooth earbuds,
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well I remember I did go into the Apple store
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a few weeks ago and just kind of looking at the options
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that were out there in case I was gonna do
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an impulse purchase.
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and the guy there kind of showed me all the different options and that's the one that
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he recommended but even those looked a little cumbersome.
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Pete: Which ones?
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PAUL Which ones?
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PAUL The Beats ones, the ones that you have.
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PAUL Yeah. Do you know what drives me nuts about them? I know that they didn't make them,
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they're probably designed before the Beats acquisition by Apple and I know that they're
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made for anybody, they're not meant to be paired with an Apple product, they're meant to be paired
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with any product that supports Bluetooth. But the little clicky thing for plus/minus and play/pause
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and that has the microphone on it is on the left string, not the right string. And every Apple one
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ever made is on the right string. And so I still have the habit where if I go to pause it while
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I'm wearing them, I reach up with my right hand and I fish around and can't feel it.
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I've experienced the same thing these bows headphones i'm wearing now have it on the left
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Your uh, your phone pod, I guess so whatever you'd call it and it why would you do that?
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If you're a designer like I I know that you can't just say well apple did it this way
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So it's a standard but it's a de facto standard because nobody makes more headphones than apple
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I think apple's probably like the number one headphone maker in the world
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There's probably more pairs of those white earbuds out there than any other headphone in existence
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I guess in this case because there is only one chord coming off of them. These are can headphones earbuds, I guess by definition you have to have
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two chords so
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Uh, all the earbuds i've seen do it on the right
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But I don't know
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So what's going on?
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You know what I got yesterday?
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What's that?
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I got my personal Apple watch.
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- I got the one that I ordered one minute
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after they went on sale.
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Space black link bracelet.
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- How do you like it?
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- I like it a lot.
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I'm very, very happy that I picked this one.
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- What band were you wearing with the review unit mostly?
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- Mostly the link bracelet.
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- Oh, okay, I didn't know you had one.
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- So yeah, I got the watch.
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They asked me, you know, when the, you know,
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like a week before I got the review unit,
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they were, you know, they were like,
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which one do you want?
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And we're not seeding review units of the edition models.
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So it was like, you can have any one you want
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except for the edition,
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which I would not have asked for anyway.
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- Have you seen one yet in the wild?
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- I have not, not outside the store.
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- I have not either.
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- Or an Apple event.
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I've actually been thinking about writing about that,
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Hold that thought, hold that thought.
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- All right, all right.
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And I asked for this one. I asked for I said well, okay, I'll take the space black
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Link bracelet and they said okay, and then when I got my review unit there, we couldn't give you that one
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Sorry, and so they gave me the regular link bracelet
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Asked why and they just gave me that Apple like we don't you know, we're not gonna tell you why and that was that
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But my guess you know just based on the shipping times is that they just were back logged production wise even with the relatively few number
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That they would need for you know review unit, but definitely for sure though