118: ‘Sloppy on the Side’ With Guest Adam Lisagor
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Oh boy, I'm way into this.
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You have no idea how long I've been, how I've been looking forward to this.
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that weird? Should I not? Should I play it cool? No, I don't think it's weird at all. If anything,
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I feel like one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you about, I mean I've been wanting to talk
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to you about this ever since we were in Montreal last year and we both talked to each other into
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being super excited about the watch. Is that I feel like too many other people are playing it
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cool and they're trying to be credible. Reserving judgment. Yeah, and that's totally cool to,
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you know, I think just being completely honest. There's, you know, a lot of things to complain
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about too, but I feel like, I don't know, I feel like not being excited about it. What's the fun
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in that? Oh no, this has got, I mean, you got to treat this like Christmas. When I was probably
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seven years old, I got a transformer watch, a wristwatch that was a transformer for Hanukkah
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and I cried. Tears of joy. Tears of joy, yeah, tears of transformer Hanukkah joy. And I think
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that I there's no reason I shouldn't have the same reaction literally as opposed as opposed to
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the kid across the street who got a go bot's watch and cried because it's because it was the go box
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go box was like the original Samsung
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So you reminded me that I used to be a watch guy.
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I haven't, I haven't for so long.
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But when I was a kid, my grandfather was an accountant
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and one of his clients was I think a reseller
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of Casio watches.
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And so every, like once a year, he would hand me down
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the latest, like the last year's version of a data bank
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or whatever it was.
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And that was just, I think that was like just,
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early gadget fetish for me.
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And like you said,
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last, your last episode with Multsy,
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you were talking about how inscrutable those interfaces were
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and how you basically had to memorize like the equivalent
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of a NES Contra code.
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- Just in order to like get to timer mode
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or something like that.
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- Yeah, it was like triple click the lower right button
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to get into the mode where you can set the alarm.
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- Which looked exactly like the mode for setting the time,
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except that there was a little tiny button,
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like an A, that would flash.
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That meant, hey, this is the alarm.
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And then you would just have to know
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that you were setting the time for your alarm
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and not changing the time on your watch.
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But once you got there, it felt so good.
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One of the things, it's just a little thing,
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and I know that it's,
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I feel like the two main points of the big question marks
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is should anybody be excited about Apple Watch in general
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as just a thing they might wanna wear on their wrist?
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And then there's this whole other angle
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where I know that as time goes on, you say things,
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and I keep seeing it on Twitter when people,
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people like to complain on Twitter.
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I don't know if you ever noticed that.
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But then they'll say, you mean,
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and they'll say, this is a really cool thing you can do.
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This is a nice part of wearing the Apple Watch every day.
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and then they say, you mean exactly like every other smartwatch on the market for the last
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two years? And it's like, okay, yeah, you know, maybe they, you know, give some points
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to some of these other guys for shipping first. I mean, but it doesn't take away that it's
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a nice part of the experience on the wrist. And one of those things, one of those little
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things is that you never have to set the time on the watch. It's like once you've paired
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it with your phone, it always just gets the time.
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Pete: Yeah, I mean, that's one of those things that's completely invisible. I've not once
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thought about that fact except that's just the time you take it for granted because
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clocks set themselves now that's what clocks do right and i was thinking about that with the
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context of those old digital watches like i wrote about from my teenage years where i can't even
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remember whether some of them and i i guess i just went through them every couple years because they
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even back then they weren't that expensive by the 80s like in the 70s digital watches were really
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expensive and by the 80s they were you know you get them for your eighth grade son without thinking
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about it. But I think that I had some that you could set the month, even though it didn't show it
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like on the face because it was like too much detail, but then at least that way when like
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April 30th rolls around and it goes to May 1st, it doesn't tell you that it's the 31st.
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I think. But it was like you had to—it just was another thing you had to set though. Like if the
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battery—like when you did change the battery and had to start over from scratch, you had to set
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so many different fields, the hour, the date, the time, the day of the week, you know, all this stuff.
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But I think at that point in technology we didn't...
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We didn't...
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I might be wrong about this.
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We weren't thinking that far in advance to...
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We wanted our gadgets to know how to do things themselves.
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I don't think that that was an expectation.
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It was almost like, "No, of course.
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It's like a manual transmission.
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You want that control.
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You want to take out of the box, unfold the 18-fold mostly Japanese instructions."
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And then figure out what is the code you need to get to to get to world time or something
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And that's part of the thing.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm not, yeah, I wasn't even complaining about it and I didn't complain
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about it when I did it.
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I thought it was a cool feature.
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I was like, "Hey, this is great.
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This way when a short month rolls around, I won't have to worry about it.
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I'll go through the hassle now of setting everything so that I don't have to do it again."
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Yeah, so are people asking you, I mean obviously people on this, people online obviously, but
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people in the world, are they seeing your watch and saying, "Hey, what do you think
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Yeah, totally.
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I'm about, I haven't kept exact count, but if I had to guess, I would guess that
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I'm 23 out of 25 for when I use Apple Pay at Whole Foods.
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And that's probably about right, because it's been a little bit over a month and
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I go there just about every day.
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I'd say about 23 out of 25 times, the cashier has commented on it, even though I'm definitely
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trying to do it as subtly as possible.
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Because I'm trying—it's like I'm playing a game where I'm trying not to be noticed
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using the watch to Apple Pay, and yet they inevitably notice.
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And out of the two times that they didn't, the one time it was a cashier who I'd had
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before, and she just kind of gave me the, "Oh, you're the guy who already has the
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Apple Watch."
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And then there was one time where cashier didn't didn't make note of it. That was her and she batted her eyelashes and you moved on
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She was clearly impressed
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With your prowess
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Technological prowess I used it. I used Apple pay this morning for the first time because I
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I've been preparing to be on on on your show and I wanted to do everything I could possibly do like exercise for instance
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Just so I knew that, you know got the well-rounded experience this morning. I used Apple pay
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with the watch and my go-to for Apple Pay because I never remember where it's
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gonna be is I go to McDonald's. So I went to McDonald's I got my egg white delight
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McMuffin. Used the watch couldn't be easier. Cashier could it did not give a
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shit. I paid it you know I guess it worked like it was supposed to. I took my
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sandwich out to the parking lot ate it in the parking lot and went to work and
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now I feel prepared like with I like I have no extra commentary on that
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experience except that it worked exactly like it's supposed to and it makes you
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feel like I've got a I've got a currency device on my on my wrist that's the
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thing is that I'm noticing is is just how all-encompassing it is as a device
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and I feel like what they've done is they've just prepared like all of the
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pieces have kind of culminated in this thing that you now strap to yourself.
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Tom Bilyeu Yeah, and I can kind of say, and this might be where you're going to, but I can kind of
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see how they've already laid like the groundwork for like the Apple Watch from five years from now.
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Like not even just like a 2.0 from next year, but I'm thinking like a lot further down the road
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where all of the things that it doesn't have,
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like it doesn't do cellular networking on its own
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and it doesn't have its own storage
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where you can keep all of your videos and stuff like that.
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I could just see where this would have it all.
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And then you would, you know, you could like
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have like your iCloud, your whole iCloud thing.
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I was, yeah, I mean, it definitely,
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that's where I wanted to get this conversation to.
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mostly because like you know just in a as a partly as a response to people who are
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basically just like being negative nellies about where it is now without the
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presence of mind to remember what iva iphone version one is what was what it was and what it
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was like what it was missing and and how it iterated and how you know in the in the preview
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in the next eight years it got to this incredible all-encompassing tool that almost kind of
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feels like it's fully matured and that people don't necessarily step back outside of themselves
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and say okay this is what this device is now I wonder what it's gonna be five years from
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now like you said.
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Yeah I'm trying to remember some of this stuff that wasn't in iPhone 1.0. I know there was
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no notifications, like so you couldn't slide down from the top to see any kind of notifications,
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and there was no control center from the bottom. It was really just the home screen of apps,
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and it was one home screen because there were no other apps. And you would just hit the
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home button to go to the home screen and hit an app to go to an app, and that was it. Like,
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that was the scope of the whole system. You're either in an app, and if you're in an app,
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the app had the whole screen, and otherwise you were on the home screen, and then you
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we'd use that to launch an app and that was it.
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And part of the brilliance of the design
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is how simple that was.
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- Absolutely, and it almost had to be constrained
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in order to just teach us what the thing was.
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So we could get like sort of acclimated to the language
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and then they could start to grow it out.
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And I wonder, so then I wonder how you extend that
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to the watch and what it's,
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I mean, there are things about the UI right now
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that I don't get naturally and I don't,
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and they kind of annoy me, you know,
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like the app, the home screen full of apps
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is fun to play with, but I don't necessarily feel
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like it's perfectly natural yet.
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- No, and I'm, I still even a month in 'em,
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I tapped the wrong app.
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- Right, yeah, the tap targets are weird.
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- They're not, maybe they're a little too small,
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but they're definitely too close to each other.
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That's the bigger problem isn't necessarily the size,
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'cause I did, I think I said this with Multi
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or with Joanne Stern, I actually took out a ruler
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and measured, and they are a quarter of an inch,
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which is like the minimum, you know,
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it's just basically the minimum size for a tap target.
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But the problem is they're right next to each other,
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whereas like on the iPhone, when you'd have like
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quarter inch tap targets, you'd still put some spacing
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between them.
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- Right, and when you get it right,
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it feels like magic, right?
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But that, but unless it happens all the time
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that you get it right, it's not real magic.
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It's just the illusion of magic.
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I feel like, one of the things that I realized is,
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I use Overcast a lot.
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That's probably my most frequently used app on the watch.
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And Overcast just would by default,
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when all my apps came over, when I sunk with the watch,
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Overcast ended up to the right side, the very edge,
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to the very right edge.
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And I realized, oh, that's an easier tap target.
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I don't know if it's I don't know if it's mentally or not. Yeah, because actually physically no that makes sense though because it's sort of like a
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Fitz's law right where the the main the menu bar on the Mac is easier to click on because you can you can just slide your
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Arrow all the way to the top and you can't go too far. There's a similar
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I think there's a similar
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Usability advantage to being at the edge of that app cloud because you can't you you can get sloppy on the side
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You know what? I mean? Yeah. Yeah and
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Guess that was the story of my college years as well sloppy on the side
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So there's a clock in the middle that's what they called right
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So, I guess it does that work and does that work in theory and in practice that the clock being in the middle makes it
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An easier tap target then do you just kind of get a bull's-eye?
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I I don't know cuz I almost never go back to the clock like oh really? Yeah, I just assume
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that and to me it's it's like the most underreported thing and I think people
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just sort of get it but it's like to me the thing you have to get over with is
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the in this thinking that it don't treat it like a little iPhone on your wrist
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and in the iPhone whatever you were last doing when you unlock your iPhone there
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it is again when you come back with the watch just when you're done with
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whatever like maybe you wanted to change to a new podcast because you're using an
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Overcast and then when you switch and you cue it up and you now you've got the new episode of whatever you want listen to playing
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in your earbuds, then you just put your wrist down and you're done and
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Next time you want to go to your watch. It's just right back on the watch face
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You know like you never have to clean up as soon as you're done doing what it is that you did on your watch
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Just put your wrist down and trust that it'll it'll come back to the watch face on its own. Yeah, that makes sense
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Do you have what are things that you've experienced?
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having done so I remember when the when the first iPhone came out I had these
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moments all the time of love like oh I just did something like I just I got a
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link in an email I clicked the link it opened up in mobile Safari I watched a
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video and then I closed it and I thought I could never have done that before you
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know six months ago the you know I just did something that I that I this
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technology enabled that I could never have done before it existed and I feel
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like I'm having sort of similar things like just those those realizations of
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with the watch of oh this is why this exists this is one of those little
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vignettes that they put in their commercials yeah I think you know and
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again I know that there are other smart watches or whatever you want to call
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them that get text messages you know transcript you know zap them between
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your you know your phone and your watch so I realized that it's not
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necessarily exclusive to Apple watch but I've tried it I've have the pebble and
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I've worn the pebble and it's it's a little different number one the Apple
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watch is pretty reliable I find the Bluetooth connection to be really good
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and with pebble it was always flicking out which probably isn't pebbles fault
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it's probably the limits of third-party apps versus Apple getting to have you
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know tightest possible integration at the OS level on both the watch and the
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phone but it's pretty cool when I like I do all the grocery shopping that's why I
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go to Whole Foods so I'm at the Whole Foods and I'm walking around and I feel
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my wrist go and Amy says can you get oj2 and then I don't even at you know I
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don't know it just just it's nice because then you know you don't have to
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go in your pocket and get out of your phone you don't you don't have to take
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it out of your pocket is that reason yeah sorry my headphones broke for a
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second no that's okay hey let me take a time out here just real quick and let
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you know that if I start sounding like a terrible robot or something tell me right away because
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it's a USB problem not a Skype problem.
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Not an emotional problem.
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No but but I had to episode a few weeks I should what I should do of course is just
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as soon as we're done recording go to Amazon and buy a new microphone and instead I start
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each show and then realize halfway through that I should hold the guest hey if I start
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sounding bad, tell me right away. Don't be polite and say, "I don't care." Because it means the
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audio I'm recording is bad too. All right. Oh, that sucks. Oh, so you've blown
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a couple of episodes. Yeah, it was like the last half hour of the episode with Serenity Caldwell,
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and so I recreated my audio. I played it, listened, and did it again. And I think it came out pretty
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good I think it actually made me it like I tighten up a lot of my argument that's
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um that the French call it a spree to scalia so you could basically just go
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back and retroactively say smarter things yeah exactly that's perfect that's
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exactly what it was like okay I'm gonna do that after we record but it was the
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biggest pain in the ass as I'm sure you can it well imagine what it's like to to
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You have to redub it and the crosstalk was just you know, horrifying
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But uh, so which what what watch are you wearing?
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Okay, so what I ordered is the 42 millimeter space black steel
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With the black links, right? Really? I'm and I'm not like I said, I'm not a watch guy
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So even that felt like it was bordering on a little too dressy for me
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But as I as I think is is common that one's being delayed in shipment pretty heavily and I ordered it
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You know right after
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The store opened. Yeah, I ordered the same one and I ordered it first
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I ordered it before Amy's or Jonas's or any of the bands and it still it has not shipped
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I don't believe that one has shipped to anybody but I could be wrong good
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I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like I haven't seen anybody post pictures of such a watch. Yeah
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I know it's weird to feel the privilege of a delayed shipment. I don't know like just
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the fact like that we're does that make it more precious when it actually comes? I don't
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Well and it put and I you know I am in no place to complain because I've had the regular
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steel link bracelet for five weeks now so it's.
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Is that the one you're wearing?
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Yeah that's the one that's the review unit from Apple. People have asked I guess I should
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answer is that the typical review unit period from apple is 60 days i actually haven't even
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looked at the thing that i signed but i it's always been it doesn't matter whether it's like
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a new mac or a phone or tablet or you know ipad anything it's always 60 days and they don't come
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knocking after 60 if you're still testing something i mean i never like use them as my own although i
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guess i kind of am with the watch because i'm still wearing it but it's my thought is oh well
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It's their fault that the one I order is delayed. I'll just keep wearing it
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But I think that you know
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They would even rather have me still wearing it and being able to write about it then
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You know, what does the watch mean to them for me to send it back?
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But anyway, I'll have this watch until mine comes and then I'll package it back up and send it back to them
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Well, that's great. That's it's a loaner. They gave you a loan or just like your insurance company
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So my insurance company is Roxanna's watch which I ordered
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For her shortly after mine and actually everybody on the team here at sandwich
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Got one and so they kind of staggered in
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I think JP's came first. He got the Milanese loop
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Yeah, it's really handsome
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But she so I ordered her a 38 millimeter one steel
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Stainless steel with the black sport band and as soon as it came I just said this is mine now and
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What are you gonna do and she doesn't honestly she's
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She's very sweet and she did cheat. It's not important to her
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She's just letting me wear it until I am until I get mine
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and also I wanted to just like I want it was so important to me that I get to spend time with it and
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You know get to know it a little bit better on an intimate level
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So that I could start
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You know, let's say let's say
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Conceivably, this is what I do for a living I guess
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Um, so it was important to me that I know what the watch is like.
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Yeah, I mean in all seriousness, it is absolutely not inconceivable
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that you guys will be writing, directing and shooting,
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uh, a promotional video for some new product. Part of which products experience
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is a watch extension. Totally. I can't wait for it to happen. We haven't done it yet,
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but now we certainly can. Right. And it's, you know,
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I you know you do you but you have to use it to get it. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And so I've got the 38
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Watch face on and it's a little small for me
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I think it's a little tiny and not because it looks tiny or dainty like, you know
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Like like you were saying it it looks fine, but I want a bigger screen. I think
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Just yeah, like a bigger screen. I I don't I I have actually no concept of how much bigger
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here the 42 is gonna look and feel on my wrist.
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But I know even incrementally, what is that?
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Four millimeters out of, is like nearly a 10%,
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oh well it's a little bit more than a 10% increase, right?
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- Yeah, but it's somehow, my guess is with you going
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from 38 to 42, when yours shows up, you're gonna be like,
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you're gonna have like 15 minutes where you're a little
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worried you think this might be too big.
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And then like, but then like 20 minutes later you're like,
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oh no, this is right.
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Which brings me to a strange phenomenon,
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which is one of those first, you know,
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just kind of like startling realizations that I had
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having spent very minimal time with the watch.
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It's just like, and I am talking about maybe 10, 15 minutes
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of having the watch on my hand after I paired it
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and I sunk it and put the phone back in my pocket.
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The next opportunity I had to take the phone out,
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it felt like a giant screen.
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Like, did you have that experience too?
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Where your phone came out and you're like, whoa,
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This is like a flat screen that I just took out of my pocket.
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- Yeah, a little bit.
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Especially if you're trying to,
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I don't think you're supposed to be dictating
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large amounts of text on a watch,
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but it definitely works for texting.
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And I think that the Siri transcription
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is really, really good, including when you're out on cellular.
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- Yeah, it's great.
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I haven't used it a whole lot.
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I mean, I've used it a little bit,
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but you know, there's the whole kind of
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social acceptability of dictating
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into your watch in public,
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or dictating into your phone even.
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Like if you're at the market,
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you don't wanna talk to your thing
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'cause you sound like a dick, right?
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- I feel like that's the case.
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Do you, like if you get a thing on your watch,
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if you get a text on your watch from Amy,
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and you're at Whole Foods
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and you're not the only one in the aisle,
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do you respond or do you do an emoji
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even though emojis are for children?
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- I'm kind of, I'm a little self-conscious about it,
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but I try to, I just try to start walking in a direction
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where I'm away from other customers
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and I try to keep my voice down and cut my hands.
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But I do, I cut my hands around the watch,
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I realize, though, that it does kind of make you look conspirational. Like, you know what I mean?
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Like, you're going off and whispering into your own rest. Like, 'cause like, the thing I'm
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self-conscious about is I don't want to be loud talking into it. Like, I'll only do it in a way
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that it seems as though strangers aren't going to hear what it is that I'm dictating, even though
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if they looked at me and gave two seconds of thought about it, they'd realize I must be talking
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to some kind of gadget. But as long as they can't really hear me and I'm not intruding on their
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conversations and I don't mind and I feel like it's the way the future and got yeah,
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it is the way of the future and God bless you for being polite and considerate about it.
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And especially thinking about how many people probably out there and in the world wouldn't be
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and also like think about how far we've come that it used to be like people
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loud talking to their Bluetooth earpiece or whatever that were.
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And I also think that it's, you know, and it just became acceptable and it's just,
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you can't go anywhere in the Western world without seeing it, but at first,
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10 years ago, it was really weird when you would see grown adults, like in public,
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thumb typing into a three-inch device with all of their attention on it. Like, it just was a
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weird thing to be doing in public, is sitting there pecking away at an electronic device,
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like you know like an eight-year-old on a Gameboy. But yeah but you know but now
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it's it's it's everywhere. Right now it's so something we do. And hopefully that
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the idea is that just like is in that movie Her where you see people on the
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subway and everybody's whispering softly into their earpiece or whatever that
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that just becomes a way of life and and nobody thinks twice about it. I think
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think it's hopefully it's gonna happen and hopefully it doesn't create a cacophony of
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Yeah, I loved that.
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I loved it too.
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Yeah, it hit me deeply on an emotional level but also it's just fun for future thinking
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I think it's gonna look pretty good in hindsight though sort of like the way 2001 seems great
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Sure, or even or Blade Runner like the fashions are all sort of like weighted toward that era
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Weighted toward the early 80s with the shoulder pads and the angles and whatnot
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Just like the high-waisted pants in her are kind of weighted towards to on 2013 or 2014
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I think it'll hold up and it'll sort of be emblematic of
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of our version of futurism.
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is that your gadgets still totally matter as much as ever.
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But your identity and your treatment,
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they're all just front ends to like a cloud-based system.
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And you just pick the size that you want at this moment.
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like a lot of the visual component
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and just had it be so reliant on voice and sound,
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which was an interesting way to go.
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And I don't know how far we're gonna go in that direction,
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especially with Siri and the state that it's in now
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in terms of its ability to understand us
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and communicate back.
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I thought it was interesting.
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And also just as a storytelling element,
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by not inundating the technology with visuals,
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they allowed the human elements
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to take more of a front seat.
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- Yeah, and I feel like it's,
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like the touch components on the watch play into that too,
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where it's not about what you're looking at.
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It's some other sense.
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And with her, a lot of the,
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and cinematically, it has to be, it can't be touch, right?
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I mean, at least not with the display outputs that we have at the moment.
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Although I guess you can imagine some kind of game that ties into like an Apple Watch
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and like rumbles on your wrist at certain points in a movie like the way that a rumble
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pad in a video game would.
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So maybe something like that is coming now that I think about it off the top of my head.
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But you know, it just had to be verbal because that makes for cinema and it lets Scarlett
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Johansson, you know, truly act.
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Basically the best vocal interface in the world.
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Her voice was just like representative of what technology, AI should sound like.
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It really was.
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Without being a creepy perv about it.
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Like yeah, that's what I would want my robot to sound like too.
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But to me it was the interaction that the characters had with the technology was so
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ambient and you know you didn't have to break stride while you were getting off the train
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to walk to your office building and something some kind of notification would come in. You don't
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break stride and that to me is what the touch on the wrist helps to enable. Absolutely just
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it's there you just kind of ambiently feel it and like in a tactile way. And so like what do you
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feel like how's the how's the Taptic engine holding up for you? Do you enjoy it? I do. I
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enjoy it a lot and like more and more as time goes on I've got my watch the sound off all the time.
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I never… some of the sounds are too annoying and I find that they're not necessary.
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I haven't really learned to distinguish between what the different sounds and the
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different patterns and everything mean.
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I think universally they just mean hey look over here or glance over here rather.
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But it's never a displeasing feeling to like to just have a small like little minute
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tap even if it happens whatever ten times in an hour or something or even
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yeah because something's going up like some group chat that you're on is blown
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up and is getting messages you know a frequent barrage of messages from
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colleagues or something like that right I mean if you're doing something else
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important like like recording a podcast and like and your wrist is blowing up
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then that's maybe not as not quite not quite as fun but I for the first few
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days after I had I was wearing the watch I was I found myself wanting more taps
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like I wanted like well I'd be driving and I turned on navigation even though I
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know exactly how the hell to get to where I'm going
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turn on navigation just because it's kind of fun to get 12 taps to turn right
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or something yeah that physically pleasing of a sensation I forget if I
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talked to I know I didn't write about it but I may be a man but I did I got
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driving directions to my accountant last month and so this was to get my taxes
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don't know, maybe like a 20 to 30 minute drive outside the city. It was actually the first
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time I was driving with the i-Thing and I wanted to test the directions. Now I've been
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going to the same accountant for years and years and years, so I know how to get there,
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but I wanted to try the directions. But it was actually kind of an amazing, in one of
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those like, I know people do this every day, but I don't drive every day, so it was a little
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science fiction to me—is westbound out of Philadelphia, there's really only one road.
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It's called the Schuylkill Expressway, and it's called the Schuylkill Expressway because it goes
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right along the path of the Schuylkill River. And knowing how to spell the word "Schuylkill" is a
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true test of being a Philadelphian. S-C-H-U-Y-L-K-I-L-L. Old Indian name. Anyway, you just go
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out—but anyway, it's a notoriously bad road, though, because it's a lot of the way, it's only
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two lanes in each direction and so any little accident and it just dies. And I ended up,
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there was some kind of tractor trailer accident earlier in the morning and it had been shut
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down for a while and Siri gave me what I thought was crazy directions. She was getting me off
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the school goal almost as soon as I got on it and I thought, well, I'll just go her way.
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And as soon as I took that exit and I looked ahead from what she steered me away from,
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I was like, Oh my God, I would have, there's no way I would have made the appointment.
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I would have had to like and trying to reschedule an appointment with your accountant when it's
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already I don't know it was like April 4th or something like that it's like you're already
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you know I mean he would have helped me out because you belong but it's still I would
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have felt like it like a dirtbag you don't you don't stand your accountant up in early
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April so she took me this different way where I've never been before and I really didn't
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know where I was going and so I didn't know at the time what the difference between the
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left and right taps were but it was enough that I just felt something and you could just
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glance at your wrist and you know and it would say 600 feet make a left and it was great
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Oh yeah it was great and the display that the what you actually see on the wrist is
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so minimal that it doesn't get in the way you can you can sort of interpret it at a
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a glance because you're supposed to be driving and most of the experience is audio and you
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know I typically when I'm driving I use Waze.
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I put I mount my iPhone to the dash thing and I use Waze and Waze has better directions.
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It's smarter about traffic.
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It's smarter in so many ways but the audio quality sounds like it's coming through the
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telephone rather than you know like a built-in library of or an internal audio engine.
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I don't know technically whether that's true except Waze sounds like garbage and Apple
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Maps sounds amazing.
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So to go back and get directions from the watch sounds amazing and feels amazing and
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it's like oh yeah.
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It's again we should name one of those moments where you're like this is the future.
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This feels like the future.
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And even to pile on that, last week I had made a dinner reservation using OpenTable
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so I could meet somebody after work.
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And I get in the car and then OpenTable gives me an alert on my wrist, because they have
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a watch out, gives me an alert on my wrist that I've got my dinner reservation in like
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what 10 minutes or something.
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And then I tap into the app on the wrist and go to the location and it opens up the map
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and starts giving me directions.
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Like holy cow, I didn't expect for it to do that, I didn't ask for it to do that, but
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that's what the watch does in 2015.
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Yeah, one of my first experiences like that was with, again I don't want to repeat myself,
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but I think I said this the most, but it was on the Amtrak train and I had already saved
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the pass to my pass book on the phone and it just, when I got to Penn Station, it just
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appeared on my watch.
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And then when we got on a train, the guy came by and I didn't have to fish anything out,
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didn't have to switch.
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I just held my wrist up to the guy and he scanned it and boom, we're on the train.
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So it's awesome.
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I feel sync between the watch and the phone is just really highly tuned.
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I haven't felt it lacking in any way.
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And that's kind of enjoyable to watch when you see different sync services between your
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devices kind of fail at more points along the way.
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Do you think it was a mistake for Apple to already have apps?
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And it's absolutely true in some cases where the basic thought when they announced Apple
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The watch kit back in November and said hey, we're gonna ship this in a couple of weeks
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Way before the watch comes out
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I just remember thing that sounds like a bad idea because you're asking people to write software even if it's a limited
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SDK and it really is limited
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But you're asking them to write software for a device that they've never used and so they're not really know
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They're not really familiar with how they're supposed to use it
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And I think it's definitely true that some apps really
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Really suffer from that. Oh, absolutely
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Yeah, I have a number of them on my watch that really suffered from that.
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Now do you think or do you know anecdotally or otherwise whether any developers were given
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early access to the watch specifically for making their apps better?
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I think you have to define layers of access.
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I don't think anybody got a watch.
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I think some people clearly got access.
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I mean and obviously a lot of people got the developer lab invitations.
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And I think in the middle there's at each level there's a smaller number of developers who got
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early access to I think to the labs though not not that they got to take a watch and wear it
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but that they got to you know fly out to Cupertino and and write stuff yeah but on the other hand
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sorry I think well I just think that for example though I would assume twitter is on that list of
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companies that had really privileged access and I think that their app is useless almost
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>> Oh, yeah, it's awful. But on the other hand, Marco's app is incredible.
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>> And I have no idea how he kind of figured out what user patterns would make the most sense
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without having the device in his hand. Except that, like, I'm never wondering. From the very
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first time I launched Overcast on the watch, I never wondered how anything worked. It was
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exactly where it was supposed to be. Yeah, I know he was worried about it. I remember,
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because I actually helped him beta test then before he shipped it, just so that, you know,
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I had the review unit and I could, you know, couldn't help much because he was getting ready
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to ship it, at least a little bit of sanity checking. His big concern, or one of his concerns,
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was that there wouldn't be any point to it because there's that now-playing widget,
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which can work with anything. And his thought was, well, what's the point of even doing it
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at all if the now playing handles everything. I said no, there's definite usefulness. Even
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with just one day of testing Overcast on the watch, it was absolutely useful because there's
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no way with now playing to do anything really other than just play and pause, whereas Overcast
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on the watch, you can switch to a new podcast and stuff like that.
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PAUL Yeah, I mean it's got context awareness. It knows what you're listening to, which is
00:42:15
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hugely important for a podcast library where people kind of listen to every thing differently
00:42:21
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and that's pretty awesome and I you know the now playing app is there but I don't know exactly what
00:42:29
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it does and I don't know what it can what it hijacks and what it doesn't hijack and I'd rather
00:42:33
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just leave it leave it alone I wish there was you know it's just one of those apple apps that you
00:42:37
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just kind of put in a drawer somewhere. Yeah I kind of feel like as a pundit overall that it's
00:42:43
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And it's the sort of thing that I try to be cognizant of, but I know that I'm being guilty,
00:42:47
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is it's like Apple can't win. Because if they didn't have any apps, I would be complaining
00:42:52
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that there should be apps already. And now that they shipped with apps on day one, I'm complaining
00:42:59
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because the apps, some of them don't work so well, and some of them don't seem to have been designed
00:43:04
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with the context in mind. Yeah, I can't wait till Slack's app gets good because I use Slack almost
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more than anything besides email.
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And I can't figure out how to actually respond to reply to Slack.
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And if you just open up Slack, the Slack watch app, you're presented with two icons, one
00:43:27
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of which is I think direct messages and one of which is mentions of your name.
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And neither one seems to be great at tracking what conversations I actually need access
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And then if you get an alert in Slack, which I always do, there's no all you can do it
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on the watch is dismiss it right away.
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You can't actually reply from that alert, which I don't want to do because that's I
00:43:55
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mean Slack is all about two-way communications, not broadcasting, broadcast of a platform.
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Well in the same way that you can respond to text messages, right?
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It's the fact that you can respond to text messages and dictate a little thing is what
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you would want to do with Slack.
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And which brings me to a point I was going to make, which is like how forgiving we now
00:44:20
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can sort of let ourselves be of like dictating.
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Do you call it Siri?
00:44:30
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I just call it Siri.
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So when you're dictating to Siri, even if it's like responding to a message, do you
00:44:37
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- You know how you can choose a sent from iPhone signature
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with mail, from mobile mail?
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And the idea behind that was,
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theoretically it was probably just so that you could see,
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the other person receiving it cut you a little slack
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for reasons of brevity or typos or whatever.
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I feel like Dictated by Siri kinda needs its own little,
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and by the way, I turn sent from my iPhone off
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because I will like, I'll write a frickin' novel
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in an email from my phone.
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It's just like one of my, I play my email on my phone
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like Beethoven and I take pride in that
00:45:15
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with italics and proper quote levels and everything.
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And so it would shame me to tell somebody--
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- To try to make an excuse.
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You wouldn't wanna-- - Yeah, yeah.
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I wouldn't wanna do that.
00:45:26
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But then again, if you're trying to respond to a message,
00:45:32
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dictated into your watch and then beat
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and then go on with your business,
00:45:36
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you're not gonna sit there getting frustrated
00:45:38
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because she misheard something
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and maybe it's clear enough,
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maybe it's like enough to get the point.
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I've had a couple of misfires
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with badly dictated messages, replies to text,
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but that's just kind of fun.
00:45:55
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- It's partly because there's like a tipping point
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I've realized where as Siri dictation has crossed some point on the curve between too
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slow and inaccurate to be useful and it's reached a tipping point now where it's quick
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enough and accurate enough to be useful.
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And I, you know, and this has happened for me sometime in the last year.
00:46:25
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You know, and I wrote a piece about it about how it was so much better on my iPhone a couple
00:46:28
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months ago like I think it a large part them ramping this up for the watch but
00:46:34
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as it reaches that tipping point suddenly you trusted a lot more whereas
00:46:38
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in the first couple of years where Siri existed and they had this dictation I
00:46:42
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would double-check every time before I'd hit send and now I a lot of times I I'm
00:46:47
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hitting send without really looking at it and sometimes they are there's some
00:46:51
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pretty bad typos in there. Yeah I accidentally texted to Roxanna the other day she said hey
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can you stop by the store on the way home and I think I did I responded I dictated do
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you want me to stop on the way home or do you want to want me to come home first and
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then I like I dictated that and then I went on with what I was doing what got sent was
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you want me to come home? Do you want me to stop on the way home or do you want me to come home
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first? I can't even." And then that's sent. And she was like, "What? Did you just say? What's
00:47:29
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with the attitude?" Because it's like, it's like, it's like caddy. It's like kind of bitchy in the
00:47:38
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wrong way. Yeah. Usually if it's, if it's good, meaning like it's not, it's going to be obvious
00:47:44
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to your recipient, it's going to look like a homonym. You know, like if they read it
00:47:48
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out loud in their head, they'll take a guess. I actually kind of like that, like with Amy
00:47:52
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or other friends, you know, more technically inclined, you know, let's face it, it's
00:47:58
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mostly who I'm texting. I like it when they can guess and they're like Siri or vice
00:48:04
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versa. I'll do it to them and try to guess whether the weird typo in the message they
00:48:08
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just sent me was because of that. Like, I feel like it's becoming a skill. Whereas
00:48:11
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I can't even at the end doesn't sound like that. It sounds exactly like you're giving her a hard time
00:48:16
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Yeah, it really does sounds intentional like Siri just manufactured some attitude
00:48:20
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I can't I can't believe you would even ask me to do that
00:48:24
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What do you think of the fact that Siri doesn't talk back to you to the watch? Oh
00:48:30
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That's a good question
00:48:34
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It somehow feels natural to me
00:48:37
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Although I do feel like a lot of her personality is missing because of that
00:48:41
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but it somehow seems right to me.
00:48:43
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- True, but maybe we know that personality so well already
00:48:48
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that's ingrained that we can kinda hear her voice.
00:48:51
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Maybe like you did, it took me a couple days to realize it.
00:48:54
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Oh, like she's not talking,
00:48:56
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she's not talking through the speaker
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when I ask her something.
00:48:59
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She's just like, it's just coming out in text,
00:49:01
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but I already can hear her.
00:49:03
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- Yeah, and I guess that's why I was a little slow to answer
00:49:06
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is because the fact that she doesn't talk,
00:49:09
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or depending on your country and your preferences,
00:49:11
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he doesn't talk, it sneaks up on you on the watch
00:49:16
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and you realize only after you've really been using Siri
00:49:21
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a lot that it never talks to you.
00:49:23
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- Right, I kinda like it.
00:49:26
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- It's a little bit more private.
00:49:28
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Yeah, I had this thought that the watch is kind of,
00:49:34
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maybe the watch is what cracks Siri open
00:49:36
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more than, much more than any other, anything else.
00:49:38
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the watch is kind of one of the of the of the many things that the watch is
00:49:42
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watch is like a Siri machine basically yeah I think a large part of it I think
00:49:47
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if you're not using Siri a couple of times a day then you're not really
00:49:51
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getting the most out of the watch right I really do think that's true it's got a
00:49:55
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freaking microphone in it it's I think that's one thing that's a lot of people
00:49:59
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aren't really thinking about is you're wearing something on your on your wrist
00:50:03
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that has a microphone in it that you can just talk to
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and it can record your thoughts,
00:50:10
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which makes it even more frustrating to me
00:50:12
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that there's not a voice recorder app on it.
00:50:14
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- That's a little weird.
00:50:16
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Well, let's hold that thought
00:50:17
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You're in I hear like a vacuum cleaner or something.
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No, that's you.
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There's an airplane over here.
00:52:22
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Alright, I'll just make a note of the time. I don't know what she's doing downstairs.
00:52:30
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Crazy. What is it? 53 minutes? I think if I told her...
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What do we do?
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I think she's grinding something. I don't know. It's doing something in the kitchen.
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go to to get high quality buckwheat holes. They're hand grown and milled in North Dakota.
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They've searched the world just to get the best ones that they can. Everything, even
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the zipper is nice. It's an environmentally friendly organic product. No chemical based
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foams, no bird feathers, anything like that. Really, really good probably for people with
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allergies. Even the cotton they use on the outside of the pillow is 100% unbleached certified
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organic cotton. So here's the thing. It's just like a lot of these products where it's
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like, Hmm, I don't know if I want to try it below that I've only bought online because
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somebody told me about it on a podcast. They have a 60 night full guarantee refund. So
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get it, try it, start sleeping on it, give it two months. And if you don't like it, just
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put it back in the box and they will send you a refund. No questions asked, no hassle.
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That's how sure they are that you're going to like it. They have three different sizes.
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Go there, read, tells you all about them.
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Really, really good prices.
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You can save 20% on each additional that you buy.
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And the URL that you want to use is hullopillow.com/talkshow.
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So my thanks to them.
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I love buying crazy stuff like that on the internet.
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Just trying it out. Yeah, I'm telling we've been using it to get all this free stuff
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Yeah, but I wouldn't still have it. You know, we still have both of them on the bed. It's it's a great poem
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Welcome daring fire ballers. That's what they get you see when you go there. So what were we talking about with the
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No voice recorder app was the thing I said, yeah, and there's no notes app
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No voice recorder app
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Like yeah, so like I mean you don't even need both of those
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You just need one or the other because you could I feel I don't know. That's not true. I
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Know what you mean though?
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Because the whole idea is you just have a thought in your head you want to commit to the watch and
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If you get dictaphone you want to put it down. Yeah
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So why not like I do that all time do you do I I do
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My number one use case for voice recorder app on the phone is when I'm working with a composer
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and I don't like have an, you know, I need to like, I'll often like sing a thing if I'm
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trying to express it and can't put it in words, I'll sing a thing and then I'll send it off
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as an audio thing.
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Or maybe sometimes we record temp voiceover with the voiceover app.
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And every once in a while, I guess I'm driving and I have a thought and I want to record
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it so I don't forget it.
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Then that's the third use case.
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But to me, the fact that there's nothing like that on the watch is unconscionable.
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Yeah, the closest thing I could think of would be like, at least with the built-in apps,
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would be like texting yourself.
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But even then, it just seems a little weird.
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And there are definitely third-party apps.
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Evernote has a pretty decent app.
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I forget what else I've tried.
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And it seems like it's fairly focused on the watch specific thing.
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I think if and when the day comes that there's a Vesper thing for the phone, it would really
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just be a big plus button and make a new note and that's it.
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Just hit plus, start talking, there's the text and then you're done.
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This is really all I really want.
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Sounds great.
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I wonder if you could use Siri and just say, "Hey Siri, make a new note."
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I wonder what she would do.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know. Does she know how to work with reminders that or uh
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Or any notes out that it still confuses me what Siri works with and what she doesn't work with? Yeah
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I'm not sure. I don't think that would work on the watch. Although I'm not sure what happens versus the phone
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You know, it's a funny thing when you're on a podcast if you use the phrase
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Hey and in the name of the product it it
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Will end up getting notes from people whose devices while they were listening to the show started going
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I'm not saying we can't say it because it's hard to talk about it without saying
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a series but it turns out though that it turns out that people who like listen obviously if you're
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listening with headphones on which is probably how most people listen to podcasts nowadays it doesn't
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but if you know a lot awful lot of people like my pal brent simmons he just likes to listen to
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podcasts on his speakers at his desk while he works you know it's like he said like haven't
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talked you know the way you know other people like to have talk radio on he just likes to have
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podcasts it makes it sound like he's in a you know office full of friends or whatever but then
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then it makes your charging iPhone at your desk wake up.
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- That's awesome.
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So I mean that's dangerous also.
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Once Siri becomes more aware of operating
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the insides of a phone rather than just referring
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to the outsides.
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- And it puts great power in front of us
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'cause we could do something like say the phrase
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that would initiate that and then immediately say,
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text my wife I'm leaving you send.
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- Well that's dark, I was just thinking like
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hey Siri make a fart sound.
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That's probably a little better.
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- What are your favorite apps?
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- I totally love the weather app.
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I think that the weather app has one,
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it took me a while to get used to it
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and this is one of those apps,
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this is the built in weather app from Apple
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And it's one of those apps where it's, to me, surprisingly deep.
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Because it starts with all of the cities you've configured on your iPhone weather app.
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So it already knows the cities that you're interested in.
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And you can scroll down to get details and you get like a 10 day forecast and all this
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You go side to side to switch cities and locations.
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But then while you're on a city, you can tap it and it changes from like the next like
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a clock style it's you know and to me that's optimized for the watch it's like
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the next 10 hours of like precipitation the cloud cover and the temperature my
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only complaint is I kind of wish that they combined the cloud cover and
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temperature ones because I want the temperature and the you know whether or
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not it's like likely to rain hmm you pay attention to the weather a lot I guess
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you would have to. Yeah, we don't live in Southern California. I don't, I never ever
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open a weather app but I'm just, I'm looking through it as you're talking and yeah it is
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really nicely done. Yeah well and you know April, April's probably a good time to have been trying
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it because April is the type of month where the weather is, you have no idea you know and just
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because it's really cold in the morning when you wake up it might go up to 70 in the afternoon and
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and you wanna see that.
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So it's like just knowing,
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like looking at the temperature right now
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at 10 in the morning doesn't necessarily give you a clue
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as to what it's gonna be like in the afternoon.
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- So I think the weather app was probably
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when I first put on the watch and it's loading the cities
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and I saw the status spinner.
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I think that's probably the first time I saw like,
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oh, an app takes time.
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It's not instantaneous like on your iPhone.
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- Yeah, but sometimes it doesn't.
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I still can't quite figure out
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why sometimes it takes longer than others.
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And maybe it's because I'm not quite sure how much of it is to blame on Bluetooth and
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how much of it is like that the phone is checking the weather in advance already and already
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has up to date weather information.
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And then other times maybe the watch is like, you know, hey phone, tell me about the weather.
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This guy wants to see the weather and the phone is like, oh shit, I haven't checked
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You got to wait.
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And you know,
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get smarter about caching that stuff and smarter about just collecting the data when you need
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it and maybe collecting a little too much.
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And maybe that's kind of like the, you know how like scrolling on the iPhone one wasn't
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quite as glassy as it is now.
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Maybe that's a kind of a sort of an analog to like waiting for data to load on the watch.
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What about you?
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What are your favorite apps?
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Well yeah like I said Overcast is probably I use it a lot.
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Remote is really cool.
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Then again I've always been a I've always liked the remote app on the iPhone.
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See I never did.
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Even when it was before when people would complain endlessly about it.
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Yeah it takes forever to connect but I think it's probably I'm still one of those people
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that's just kind of still impressed by the fact that I can control my something on my
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TV with my phone and it just it never doesn't amaze me and so now the fact that
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I can do that a little bit quicker and the pairing like sort of seems to last
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longer I think you know before getting dumped and I have to then reconnect I
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just think it's it's pretty cool. I find that I have always I mean I just lose
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the stupid Apple TV remote I lose it ten times every time I watch a movie I mean
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I mean, not and lose it, meaning like,
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is it on my left-hand side of the couch,
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right-hand side?
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15 minutes, and all I wanted to do was quick pause
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because Amy's asking me a question from upstairs
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or in the kitchen or something,
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and I just wanna pause the damn thing.
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I really like having it on the wrist.
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And it's one of those little things
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where I feel like you kinda have to take
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what people at Apple say at their word,
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like when Tim Cook has said what he likes
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about wearing the Apple Watch,
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and he's, you know, I've heard him say it
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like three or four times, that he likes using it
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as a remote control to control his Apple TV.
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And as somebody who never liked the one on the phone,
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'cause I always found then it's like, it's even worse,
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'cause it's a device that's just as small
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and I can, you know, lose it between seat cushions.
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But then, you know, what are the odds
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that the current app is the remote app?
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It's not, because I'm probably texting people
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or checking Twitter because I'm doing two things at once,
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and then I've got to double tap to switch.
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But the way that the thing works on the watch
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is if you're watching something, actively watching it,
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it just automatically goes back to being the remote,
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not the clock face or anything like that,
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which to me is exactly what I want.
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It's as though the device read my mind.
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It's good for that.
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A little tip, we taped the remote,
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sorry, the Apple TV remote in our bedroom,
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we taped it to like a little packet of Kleenex.
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So that's a life hack.
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But we, you know, the kids in bed with us playing with it
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and he'll drop it down between the mattress
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and the bed frame quicker than anything.
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But yeah, so that's a fun one.
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Other than that, I think activity tracker is really cool.
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Heart rate monitor is really cool.
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I like the fact that,
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So we worked with Jawbone up as a client.
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We did something with Fitbit.
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So I've had the experience
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of wearing these activity trackers,
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but honestly it just always felt too cumbersome
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for me to like keep something like with me all the time
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that was dedicated to that purpose.
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If I'm not gonna wear a watch,
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then I don't really wanna wear a wristband
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that only does that one thing.
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But now that I've got everything in that thing
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and the fact that it's an activity tracker,
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now I'm finally getting the value of an activity tracker.
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And so just earlier today,
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if I can either take the elevator up to my office
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or take the stairs,
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and I know that this stupid thing is gonna remind me
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that I have like 100 more calories to burn or something,
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then I don't know why.
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I guess I don't have as much free agency as I think I do,
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but I'm gonna take the stairs because I'm a child
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and I want a little trophy.
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- I thought it was silly when I saw people say
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that it had, somebody had a report,
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it might have been a Wired magazine story,
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like behind the scenes of the creation of the watch.
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It probably was 'cause that guy had the most access
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and that it's become common within Apple,
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like in the middle of a meeting
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for people to just stand up randomly.
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Because a watch that they're wearing said,
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hey, you know, you know, there's like your last chance to get another hour where you've stood for a minute and it's just like become part of
01:05:26
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the in and again
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It's like you can and within Apple
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I'm sure that people would just chuckle because they know why you're doing it and maybe you wouldn't do it if you were in a
01:05:35
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Meeting with people from another company, you know who aren't familiar
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But that within the walls of Apple this create seemingly crazy behavior has become a norm
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That you can just stand up for a minute and kind of you know, move your legs in the middle of a meeting
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Because you want to make your watch happy and I have to admit I expected to turn that off and I still have it on
01:05:55
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Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of fun. It's task completion
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And I you got to think that an app is coming. That's more like a game
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almost like yo level of stupid simplicity where
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like it just reminds you it sends you a reminder to like pump your fists and
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and you have to pump your fist no matter where you are.
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And if you do it quicker, you get more points or something.
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And then just idiots are gonna be
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pumping their fists all over the place.
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- I think that they did a really interesting
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amount of design on those activity like summaries
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and the stand reminders in terms of getting the balance
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right so that you keep using it
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and that it changes your behavior, which is the goal.
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But combine that with,
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obviously the team that made the watch has been using it
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in some degree internally for a while, right?
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Like a year, maybe longer, testing these prototypes.
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Probably longer than that, that the people in the design lab
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have been wearing the early prototypes
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to try to fine tune the software.
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And I feel like once they got into it for a very long time,
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it would be easy to lose track of,
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I think this is how a lot of first run experiences go wrong,
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is that the team that makes it gets into it and gets it
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and understands it and loses track of what it would be like
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to have it on your wrist for the first day.
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And then you feel like, my God,
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this thing will not shut up about me standing.
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And I feel like they dialed it back to a level
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where it's really well-balanced between those two
01:07:31
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in terms of being frequent enough
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to get you to change some of your behavior,
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but not so frequent that you feel like,
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why in the world would this thing be bugging me like this?
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- Totally, if you just, I think that's the case,
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is if you ignore it, then it knows you're ignoring it.
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And instead of, maybe instead of shutting itself off
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completely, it just gives you less frequent alerts.
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And so it's kind of like, it onboards you,
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and then instead of you saying, this sucks,
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I'm jumping off, it does just very smart little things
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to keep you on.
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And that's exactly what happened with me,
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is like first I found it cool, then I found it annoying,
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then I actually gave in and wanted to do what it told me.
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And it has been a little bit of an eye-opener for me.
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I've never worn any of those trackers.
01:08:21
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It's been a little bit of an eye-opener for me,
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like that there's definitely some,
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shockingly a correlation between a very productive day
01:08:32
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as a blogger and a very sedentary day.
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Like the day that I wrapped up the second sort of Apple Watch review that I published
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like a week ago, it was like my circles went nowhere.
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It was like I finally got like on a chain, like I finally got on a groove and I was in
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the zone and I felt like I had this article I'd been trying to get out for a long time
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Alf and then it's like when I finished it, I looked down and it looked like my watch
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usually does it like, you know, two in the afternoon.
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You should win an award for that. All right, there should be like anti
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You know how they give you the have you gotten some of those awards they give you like these. Yeah
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Yeah, I just got like this silver concentric circles one. Yeah, they should give you like a booby-boo
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Booby award, you know for for when you've really screwed up
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Right and the thing is one of the things that's so interesting about this watch is
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And I feel like it's one of those things that we just the first version of it the one that you and I are talking
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About right now just has not even tapped into it. But the watch knows when you're wearing
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Right it as soon as you take it off like to show somebody or to change the band or whatever
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it knows it's off your wrist because the sensors are off and it locks the screen and
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But that means that like if you are not going to wear it all the time
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If you're gonna wear like your you know, dress watch when you go out at night or something like that
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you're going to wear it sometimes. The watch knows when you're not being active because you're not
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wearing it and it also knows when you're not being active even though you are wearing it,
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which is a big difference, right? Like if I just decide to wear my old watch for another day
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and I don't put the Apple watch on for a day, I'm not going to register any activity on the watch,
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but the watch also knows that I haven't been like a complete turd.
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Ted, off screen Sure.
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Whereas if you are, if you're wearing it, I think that's so interesting
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and I feel like it could really come into play in a lot of different ways.
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Jon Moffitt That's true, but it also entices you to keep wearing it until the moment you
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shut your eyes to go to sleep, right?
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Jon Moffitt Yeah, I totally underestimated that, you know, before I started wearing it, is how much
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those fitness tracking things, even as somebody who's not super into those features, but they
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still motivate me to keep wearing it and not wear my other watches because I want to get the credits.
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Yeah I went for a run the other night and turned on the like what is it's not
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it's the it's the exercise app it's not the activity tracker. Workout. Yeah the
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workout app and I told it I was going for an outdoor run and I went I was
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running I did I ran for 24 minutes I got home it told me you should probably run
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for 30 minutes I went back out and ran for another six minutes I came back in I
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I came back in the house, I took the watch off,
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but it was still going 'cause it was like,
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I didn't set a goal, I had just left it as an open exercise.
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And I took off the watch and then like the bottom
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of the watch was glowing green and it frightened me.
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I didn't know why.
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And then I just, like I researched it a little bit
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and found out that the green light is how it actually
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reads your heart rate.
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Do you know about that?
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- Yes, a little bit.
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And I think it switches to a more powerful mode
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when you're in the midst of a workout.
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- Probably, yeah.
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- And it pulls your heartbeat constantly
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as opposed to doing it every six, seven minutes.
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- Right, which is weird to me because,
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if you and I are both sitting, presumably,
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if you go over to the heart rate monitor
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in your glances or whatever,
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then it's gonna tell you your heart rate
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was whatever three minutes ago,
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but now it's reading, it's taking a new reading.
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And that's weird to me when I saw that the first time
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that three minutes ago it was like,
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it was paying attention to my heart rate.
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I didn't tell it to do that,
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but I think it's kind of awesome that it did.
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And so presumably there's like,
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I've got a whole day's worth of data.
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And if I were going through like medical stuff,
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that would be kind of interesting to my doctor,
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I would think.
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- Yeah, yeah, 69 beats per minute a minute ago.
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But now I just took it again, it says I'm at 83.
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So I don't know, you got me excited.
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I think I get nervous.
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I think I get nervous when I look at it
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and it makes my heart rate go up.
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was six. I was I don't even want to say what mine was I was 95. That's it because I guess I
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yeah that's why I'm because I'm excited yeah and I had a big lunch.
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I think the workout app is an interesting app too I like it and I like the way that it is like
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just brain dead super simple here's some big buttons for different types of workouts
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go pick the one that you're gonna start right now tap the button and hit go.
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Yeah although I wasn't sure I wasn't sure what to do when I go for a run whether I should tell it
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how far I want to go or how long I want to go. Yeah I think like the last well I didn't do either
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the last item on the list was just open ended just measure how how much I'm doing and then
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we'll call it done. Yeah I think I think there's an interesting combination here and and again
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I haven't used a Fitbit or any of those things but I feel like one of the problems that never made me want to use one
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Is that they didn't really show you anything you just you know
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At least the one that like Amy has it doesn't really have much of a display
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It just I don't know like four bars that light up and then you have to plug it in your computer
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Or sync it with the iPhone app and then use a different device to check what it thinks you did
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whereas I feel like a lot of a
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Lot of things with the phone to me are the key to their success is that the phone is both
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both sides of the equation.
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And two examples are Instagram and like Periscope
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and Meerkat where it's the same device
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that people are using to shoot the photos
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and edit the photos and post the photos
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is the same device that everyone else is using
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to see the photos.
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And I feel like that's the way that the fitness tracking
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stuff on the watch to me works.
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And I know it doesn't have like everything.
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Like it's interesting where they cut it off.
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Like I think it shows you like your last workout
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but it doesn't show you your whole workout history.
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You have to go to the phone app to see your workout history.
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But that's because the history
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is too much information for the watch.
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It's just enough, but it's like,
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here's what I think you did today.
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- Yeah, and I think that that kind of just speaks
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to the whole purpose of the watch in general is just enough
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and not too much because too much is just gonna be,
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is gonna make people, is gonna turn people off to it.
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And I've noticed that just with like the notifications,
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- Do you use the Gmail app at all?
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- No, I do not. - Or do you just use
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- I just use Apple Mail.
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- So Apple Mail, well, so Sandwiches email
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is all run through Google.
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And Google, like, you don't get Google push email
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working very well through Apple Mail.
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So what I do is I use the Gmail app on my phone
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to right away push me an alert, you know,
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notification that I have new email.
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And then when I get that alert,
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I know to go into my Apple Mail app
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and it'll go and fetch that email.
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It's kind of a roundabout way of being obsessive about email
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but it works for me.
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So I use Gmail as basically like an alert.
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And so I've got Gmail alerts on my watch.
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And what Gmail does when it notifies you
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of a new email on your watch,
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is it only gives you a few lines of preview of the message.
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Whereas Apple Mail, when it tells you there's a new email,
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you can actually scroll through the whole email.
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But the weird psychological effect of that is,
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because I'm obsessive about email,
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if Gmail tells me about I've got a new email
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and I can see only the first few lines,
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then I know I can then kind of save it for later
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and then go back when I have time,
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go into my mail program,
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and then I know I can respond to it then.
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But if it shows me the whole thing,
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I think that I have to respond to it right then.
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So that's another instance of just enough info
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to know to do something later with it.
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And this is kind of like that time,
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reevaluating your time that people were talking about
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early on that the watch kind of affords you
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is like the opportunity to take your iPhone out
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less and less.
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- Yeah, and I know, I've gone back and forth.
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That's one of those things where I'm so,
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I feel like it's just, I'm lucky that I've had the watch as long as I have, because into me,
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and it's like my opinion has changed on it, where at first I thought that it was,
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that this whole argument that it's about taking your phone out less, I was like,
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I'm not taking my phone out any less. I didn't think I was, but then I thought about it and I
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realized I kind of was. It's like, and to me, the difference is, do I want to do something?
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If I want to do something, I still go to the phone.
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But it's it's like, do I just want to check?
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What do I want to check something?
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Then I can just look at the watch and I don't know.
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There's like a subtle difference there, and I'm sure you know, there's all sorts of things that are sort of gray areas where one.
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But if I'm just checking something, it's it's I'm using the watch and I'm not taking the phone out.
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So I am taking the phone out, but I'm not using it less like if it's something I really want to do, I'm still going to do it on the on the phone.
01:18:06
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Yeah, and you want to do stuff.
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I even want to do more stuff with the watch.
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That's one of the first things I noticed is that because we're trained to do that, you
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check something and then you do something about it right away.
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It feels unnatural to check something, have it appear on the watch, and not do something
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about it right away.
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So you have to kind of get used to that, or at least I did.
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it makes me want to be able to do more with the watch but I'm okay that I can't I guess.
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But yeah that's the end of that thought.
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Well but I feel like email is almost like ground zero for that line of thinking because
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and this is the thing that I thought boy that sounds really weird but now that I've had
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the watch a month it kind of makes sense is that the watch has your email you know from
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mail dot app and on the thing but you can't write so you don't get to respond and you don't get to
01:19:05
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craft a new message it's really just read only and it's and i've been using email forever on
01:19:12
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all sorts of everything from you know terminals to you know dial up modems and i've never heard
01:19:18
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of a read only email client before and it just didn't make any sense to me even though i don't
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write that much email anymore compared you know with slack and and instant messaging picking up
01:19:28
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up a lot of the smaller messages.
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It just didn't make sense to me,
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but I kind of think it is,
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'cause I think it's exactly that use case
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where you said, where it's really,
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even though you can read the whole message on the watch,
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just in case maybe it is important,
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it's really just about those first few lines.
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Like, is this something you wanna go deal with right now?
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- And I do think there's an anxiety reduction in that.
01:19:55
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- Absolutely, you're exactly right.
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It's anxiety reducing.
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'Cause what's the alternative?
01:20:00
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You get a notification or you get a buzz in your pocket
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while you're having a conversation with somebody.
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It's rude to check the notification.
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So then you have the anxiety of not knowing what it is.
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So I think that's it.
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That sums it up right there in an instant.
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It's just suddenly just from the ability
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to turn your wrist 40 degrees up towards you
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and glance down at it,
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you know that you don't have to pay attention to it.
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then you go on with the rest of your conversation.
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- Do you know who has a really cool app for,
01:20:33
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and part of it is for the phone,
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but I feel like the iPhone app is actually pretty good,
01:20:37
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is the New York Times.
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And I never had the New York Times thing on my phone.
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I do read the New York Times on the web a lot,
01:20:44
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but I never really use their apps.
01:20:46
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But I wanted to test their watch app,
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and they had one of the apps that came out
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like way, you know, really early,
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like the day after I got the review unit.
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So it was like really, there weren't that many third party
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apps in the app store yet to try, so I wanted to try it.
01:21:02
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And the reason why is that they,
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unlike every other news organization
01:21:06
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I've ever granted temporary permission
01:21:09
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to send me notifications for,
01:21:11
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they really do only send you notifications
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for important news.
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So days will go by and they don't send you any notifications
01:21:18
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because nothing really happened.
01:21:20
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But then, you know, like the earthquake,
01:21:25
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the earthquake hit over in Nepal then it's like well that's something I you know that was that
01:21:29
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was actually worth you tapping me on the wrist to tell me that it had happened um and I you know um
01:21:37
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I don't know where I was going with that well no I mean just once again it's just enough it's just
01:21:42
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the important stuff it doesn't need to ping you every time you know whatever that's it says I
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- I don't, like I have the breaking news app on my phone.
01:21:54
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I have Circa and you can like scroll
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through the top five stories and then you're good.
01:22:05
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And if you wanna go any deeper, but like,
01:22:07
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so here's another question.
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Do you find yourself like lying awake at night,
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like in bed, you've got your watch on,
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you want to like consume more content through the watch
01:22:20
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other than because it's a new toy
01:22:22
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and you wanna play with it?
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- Only in the first few days when I had it,
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and that has totally worn off.
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Like I don't wanna consume any content on the watch.
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Another example, it's very common for me.
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I mean, I'm guessing it's probably common
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for everybody who listens to podcasts.
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This is the whole reason I think people like podcasts,
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is that we, as a, you know,
01:22:45
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the type of people that you and I are,
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we just cannot bear to be bored at all.
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for like for 15 seconds.
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I cannot, you know, and again, it's, you know,
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Louis C.K. has entire bits about, you know,
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how this just shows up what's wrong with us.
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But like, if I'm in a store and there's two people
01:23:01
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ahead of me at the register, I'm taking out my phone
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and I'm gonna read Twitter or something
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because God forbid I don't have something
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to occupy my mind for the next 45 seconds.
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It never tempts me to go to the watch.
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Like, 'cause the watch isn't a do something, don't bore me.
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know like again if I'm taking action I'm I want to go find something not to be
01:23:22
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bored by I'd still go to the phone I think to go to the phone like the watch
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is for things that you don't even have to think about you know what I mean I
01:23:30
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don't know there's like a certain and again you know Apple's using the word
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it's an official name of the featured glances but I think it's brilliantly
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chosen word hmm what glances do you know that's a good question I feel like I
01:23:45
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I would have been thinking about it,
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like I've been waiting for the other watch I ordered to come
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and I was thinking that I would set it up differently
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and probably have a lot fewer glances.
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I seem to have a lot and I kind of feel like glances are
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like you really should just make them your favorites
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and then that's like the quickest way
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to get to those things that you do
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because then you don't have to go to that home screen
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where there's these tiny little buttons.
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You just swipe up and swipe over and there's your glance.
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- Yeah, I mean when I first saw the idea of glances,
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I thought that it was supposed to,
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you're supposed to consider it like your doc or something.
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- Those are your shortcuts.
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But I think that's not what they intended for it to be
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because theoretically you can access any of your apps
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pretty easily anyway.
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You don't need a shortcut.
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I think it's just for like the little bits of information
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that you want accessible to you very quickly
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without having to launch the app.
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That's what I think.
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But I don't have too many of those things.
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I mean like power, you know battery power is one of them.
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What do I have?
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- Yeah but I find with the battery power,
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now maybe it's different for you
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and I would be interested to hear that.
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Like right now, mine is at 76%.
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So and we're recording at, it's nine o'clock Eastern.
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So I mean it's, I'm mostly through the day.
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- Oh that's pretty good.
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- Mine's at 59 but I pretty much obsessively like
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lift my wrist every time I need one.
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but I think that's a 38 42 factor, you know, like Joanna Stern and I were talking about it like
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Apple's promised battery life is all for the 38 and then they just say in real small print
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The 42 will get longer battery life in most contexts
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And so but they don't say how much more because they don't want people to feel bad
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About their 38. They just want you to get the one that's going to fit fit you right and I really think it's
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Sorry, well, I just think that the battery life is not an issue
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Yeah, it's not it's not going to screw anybody at the end of the day
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like when they need to do whatever thing you get used to every day every night
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you click in the charger and and that's and that's all you need to do it's like
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yeah like you like you said you never have to think about it and there are so
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many things like that that you don't have to think about and I think it's
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great it's just becoming more and the tech is becoming more and more seamless
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But they keep coming back.
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It's like you guys seriously wanna sponsor every week?
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And they're like yes,
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because people keep buying pictures from us.
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for my mom for Mother's Day.
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- Oh man, that's a great Mother's Day gift.
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- She's gonna like it.
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- Dingus for your car.
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How's your dad?
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Is your dad still over in--
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- He's back, he got back two days ago.
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Thanks for asking.
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- I was worried about him.
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- Yeah, he got out.
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So he was leading a crew of volunteers
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doing a dental clinic.
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He does that every year in Nepal.
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He goes to India as well and they do Guatemala.
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And so he was leading a crew in Nepal.
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He had been there for a few days when the earthquake hit.
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And it basically sort of shut down the building,
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damaged a lot of the building where they do the clinic,
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so they couldn't do the clinic.
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But then it was just about getting all of these volunteers
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out safely and flights were shut down for many days.
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And then once everybody was safe and out,
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with very minimal communication with the rest of my family,
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we didn't quite know what was going on.
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He managed to get out and landed a couple days ago
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and he was on the news and I haven't watched it yet.
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I have a link in my inbox.
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So that'll be fun.
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You can put that in the show notes.
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- That's an amazing story and it's a great thing
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that your dad does.
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Your dad was a dentist or is a dentist now.
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- He's retired, he was a kid's dentist, spaceship dentist.
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His spaceships were all basically sort of pseudo Star Wars
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themed with like mechanical doors, automatic doors.
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- In other words, that's what you as a patient,
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as when you would sit in like a little starship captain's
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chair and then you'd get your teeth cleaned.
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Is that what you're saying?
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- Yeah, there were video monitors everywhere.
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Old school, '80s video monitors.
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There was like Starfield.
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I think he had like real production designers
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do the interiors of the offices
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when he came up with this idea.
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And everything was in that light gray
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kind of Star Wars in inside spaceship yeah aesthetic it's pretty neat as a kid
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and my robots and things yeah it makes being a dentist cool I mean honestly but
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anyway what a great story glad to hear that he's okay okay well of course I
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love your dad I haven't seen him yeah I know he used to go to Mac world right
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here this is like the coolest dad ever spaceship Dennis chairs and took you to
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mackerel. Yeah he's a good guy. I'll convince him to go again so he can come
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out. He was um when the earthquake hit he was like he was getting acupuncture done
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and he had like electrodes hooked up to his his feet and he had his eyes closed
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and then opened his eyes and noticed that the whole world was shaking and
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things were falling off the shelf. Everybody was running out of the office
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where he was and he just ended up running out of the office with the electrodes strapped to his feet.
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Darrell Bock No way.
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Darrell Bock I thought you were going to say that he thought that maybe the electrodes were too
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powerful. Like maybe it was just…
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PAUL Yeah. Who knows what goes through your mind.
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Darrell Bock I don't know.
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PAUL It's not a natural thing for a human to experience.
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Darrell Bock No, definitely not. I mean, and even though you guys as Californians are probably more
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accustomed to thinking about earthquakes. But I don't know. It would drive me – it would be the
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last thing that would occur to me. I would be like what the hell is going on and then like a minute
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later someone say that was an earthquake dummy and I'd be like oh of course but that doesn't even
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occur to me. Yeah no I mean it was huge it was huge it was huge. All right here's an idea that's
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been popping up in my head with the watch I'm gonna hear what you think is as we go and trying
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to think zigzagging between you know nitty-gritty details on the watch today and and big picture
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thoughts like what's it going to be like in five years is like one thing I can't imagine
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not or having on the watch because I can't figure out how they would how they would do the angles to
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make it practical is how would they put a camera on it. Yeah I mean like it's interesting you you
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said that because I think that's the number one missing thing right now hardware wise and I did
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to me it would be it would be pretty natural I don't think it would be a front-facing camera
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that like looks up at you because I think what the main use case of it is that you want to shoot
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a picture of something else besides your face. It's not a FaceTime camera. It's a, you want to
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avoid that seven seconds delay between reaching, you know, seeing something you want to take a
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picture of, reaching your pocket, launching the camera app, shooting the picture. You want to
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to avoid that so you just raise your arm and the camera is pointing outwards and there's
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your camera and I feel like that cuts the experience down to maybe what two and a half
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three seconds and I can already think of a number of times you know I have a two-year-old
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you can never know what you never know what amazing funny thing he's gonna do next and
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there's there there have already been lots of times when I when I've thought if I only
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I could raise my wrist and shoot that. Yeah, well, I think that, you know, for reasons trivial,
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you know, like, hey, I want to be able to shoot my kid or my cat, to the deadly serious. Like,
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like the current world where ordinary citizens have a phone with them within seconds of being
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launched at all times has changed the relationship with the police all around this country. Like,
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a big part of what's going on with the protests in Baltimore and other cities is a lot of
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ways based on footage that's come out that people have shot on their phones.
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And if news is breaking, it's just getting to be at this point where it just seems like
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we've always got a camera with us.
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And the lens can be anywhere.
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The lens is like sort of the easy part.
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It's the sensors a little bit more difficult than the capture mechanism and the storage
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is more difficult than that.
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But I feel like it won't be too long where the lens is really on everybody's wrist.
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So where do you think they would put it though?
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Oh, I have no idea.
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I am not an industrial design person.
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was a Samsung phone or not phone watch that that that had it built into the wrist strap
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and yeah absolutely and what my experience with that and I love telling this story is
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I was I was shooting a commercial where I was on camera and what they do when with wardrobe
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and continuity and everything is the second assistant director it's their job to come
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over and take a picture of you after every scene so you know they know exactly what your
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wardrobe looked like. And so our second AD was all day throughout the shoot coming over
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with his little point-and-shoot camera, snapping a photo, saving it for continuity. And then
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towards the end of the day, he said, "Oh, let me grab you real quick, take a picture."
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He didn't have his camera with him, so he held up his Samsung, what is it, gear?
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Yeah, well, I think they have a couple phones called gear.
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So he lifted up his Samsung watch and he snaps a photo and says okay we're good.
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And I was like whoa I know that the Apple watch isn't going to do that but I already
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I want the feature but I know that they're not going to build it and I can see why Samsung
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put it where they did on the strap.
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But it made the strap everybody you know a lot of the reviewers said it you know the
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strap is not comfortable because it's you know it's got electronic circuitry between
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the side of your wrist and the watch face makes it thicker and it defeats what's clearly a central
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part of Apple Watch's design which is this idea of band swap ability. So I wouldn't go there but
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I can see why ergonomically they put it there. Anyway, the tension that I see is that it seems
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to me like the tension is I expect to have a camera with me at all times but I also now feel
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like soon enough I'll be able to go with just my Apple watch and you know yeah
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but yet then I wouldn't have a camera with me so then I feel like therefore
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dot dot dot they have to add a camera eventually yeah well I mean it's gonna
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be iterative and the first version of the camera on the watch if there is one
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is gonna look like garbage just like the first you know the first camera on the
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iPhone looked pretty bad do you ever go back through your photos library and
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and look at the first iPhone pictures you took.
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- Yeah, yeah, totally.
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- And they look terrible.
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And that's okay.
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And there wasn't a front-facing camera at first.
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And that's okay.
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And it didn't shoot video.
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- Yeah, not shooting video.
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Not shooting video is one that every time it comes up now,
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I go back and I go back and I'm like, wait, is that right?
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I gotta double check that.
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And I go back. - Yeah, me too.
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- And I go back and double check.
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And it's like, holy shit, it did not shoot video.
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It's such an integral part of the product now
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that we would never be without,
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that it doesn't make sense that they would ever
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ship something without that.
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And you just have to wonder how many of those things
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are not in the watch right now.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I feel like there's gotta be some way that they could do it.
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I don't know if it would be.
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Maybe it would be a front-facing camera,
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so you could use it for face time.
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But then if you turn your wrist away,
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you wouldn't be able to see the framing.
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You would just point your wrist at what you're shooting
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and hit the digital crown and it would snap a photo
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and then you could turn your wrist back
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to see what it captured.
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- Yeah, that seems like it would work.
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I mean, we're not all framing up.
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- Our iPhone snaps pretty, very specifically anyway.
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- Yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, that's the sort of thing where I could be off base
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and maybe there'll never be a camera on it,
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but I feel like, I don't know,
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seems to me like everything gets a camera eventually.
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- It does and everything gets smaller
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and faster and everything.
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I loved that part of what of yours and Molt's conversation
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where you were talking about the iPad and the rev cycles
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and your reasoning behind, was this your reasoning
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or was this somebody else's that you read?
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The reasoning behind people not updating as much.
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- It was sort of what I was thinking
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but it was better put into words by that one comment
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on Dr. Drang's blog, like a reader of his blog.
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that was so smart I mean so you can recap it if you want I probably want to
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his case probably still won't do as succinct a job as that guy did but it
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was the basic gist was that we're only five years into this you know the first
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iPad was five years ago so we're still in the first upgrade cycle and seems
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like for a lot of people on iPad lasts you know four or five years and so we
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still haven't gotten to the point where you kind of know how many people should
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be you know if Apple is doing a good job with making new products every year how
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many people should be buying one every year because their people are still on
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their first one and they're pleased with it yeah and when why wouldn't they be it
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does it does pretty much what what you needed to do which is it you can browse
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web you can watch video you can do some creative kind of stuff and the processor
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hasn't gotten that much faster and yeah Roxana's dad still uses the version 1
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iPad that we that I had originally bought and we gave to him because all he
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wants is to watch YouTube videos all day of like classical music and architecture
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videos and stuff and it does it does a trick for him and I and it's such a is
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it weird to say it's kind of like a secondary device it's not no I don't
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think it's weird to say I think it's you know it is what it is you know and I
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I think we're going to get, as time goes on,
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we're gonna get more and more secondary tertiary,
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we're just gonna surround ourselves with little displays.
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You know, and that's what the watch is another one, I think.
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Is that, I mean--
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- Well it could be, but it also could be a primary.
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Like I think that the second it gets a feature
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that is a must-have feature that version one doesn't have,
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I think it'd be, it's no longer a secondary device
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and it's a primary device.
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Like even like just consider what would happen
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if the next, if maybe two years from now,
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it's got a camera and people start seeing
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that people who have just bought the new version two watch
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are getting all these cool cameras or whatever.
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Argument's sake, it's some other feature
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that you can only do with version two.
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- And like, you know, the fact that the iPad got a lens
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on it was not that killer app that the iPad needed
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in order for people to buy more of them.
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I think you can make an argument that the iPhone 1 suffered from enough feature constraint
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that version 2 was where people started to really buy into it and it allowed them to
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do more things.
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And how many people did you see using a version 1 iPhone even three years after the iPhone
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Oh, all the time.
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Well no actually I guess I would say the opposite now that I think about it.
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Well I mean my question was kind of leading in the opposite direction.
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I feel like there weren't that many people.
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I feel like the iPhone 1 kind of disappeared quickly.
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I could be wrong.
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Yeah and because they didn't in the grand scheme of things they didn't really sell that
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many in the first place.
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I guess so yeah you're right and it could be just like a parallel model with the watch.
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Do you know what made me jump on that and say yes was that there's one teacher at Jonas's
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school who was using an original iPhone until like last year and that's so cool it's a beautiful
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it is a beautiful device it's gorgeous i love the device and you know i i just don't think that he
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was you know he cared you know about the technology or whatever but it was he just shot to mind is yes
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i saw that one teacher who's still using an old iphone uh yeah but no i mean like the argument i
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I was trying to make is that the iPhone 1 lacked so many features that then came out
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in iterative versions that it became obsolete pretty quickly.
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That's what I was going with.
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And so that didn't happen with the iPad, but I think it will happen with the watch.
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I think the watch will start to get new things that only later versions of the watch can
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you know, I think medical sensors and stuff like that too, you know, who knows what it'll be
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We I wouldn't know I probably would not have predicted
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It was the camera back then because I don't think our expectation was so low for cell phone cameras that I thought
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Well, of course these pictures aren't great. It's a cell phone camera and it never not weird
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Yeah that the landscape for video for mobile video back then was the flip camera. Yeah, I was just thinking about that because when the first
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iPhone with video did come out
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I remember comparing it against the Flip,
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and the Flip still had better picture.
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And you think, well, of course it had better picture.
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It's a dedicated camera.
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Whereas the writing was on the wall
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that they just could not compete with Apple in the long run,
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and the sensor technology is advancing it.
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It's such an amazing clip that it didn't take long
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for there to be an iPhone that blew the Flip away.
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And then, just quality-wise,
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let alone in terms of only having one device in your pocket
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and already being on the internet, et cetera.
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- No, but we have tons of videos
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from the earlier years of Jonas's life
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that were all shot on flips.
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I don't know, I do know where the files are,
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but it feels like a bygone era.
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- It does, and because,
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I feel like there's no longer this idea of scarcity.
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Well, I don't know, it's an interesting question.
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Do you feel like when you're rolling video on your iPhone,
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do you feel like storage is scarce
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and you wanna keep it to it,
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like you wanna cut the clip short?
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Obviously you're not gonna shoot a two hour video
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of piano recital on your iPhone or something like that.
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- No, I don't do stuff like that.
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But I don't-- - Most of the clips
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are gonna be like a minute, two minutes at the most.
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- Yeah, well, the video story for us is weird
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because, so Jonas was born in 2004
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And so for, in January, and so for Christmas that year,
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my mother-in-law got us a Panasonic Mini DV camera.
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She wanted, you know, she was like,
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"I wanna buy you a camera, you know, I want, you know,
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"lots of video." - That's right.
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- It was wonderful, and you know, she said,
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"What, you tell me what to get."
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And I got a, you know, I don't know, you know,
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like a consumer, you know, dad,
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it was a dad camera from 2004.
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I thought it was cool how small Mini DV was, you know.
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But then, you know, it's like, so first few years of his life, like 2004, 2005, 2006 especially,
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it's all shot on mini DV tapes.
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And I, because they were tapes, then you, to me, once you get over halfway done with
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your tape, you're like, well, I'll just keep shooting because, you know, it'll say,
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you know, like the little sticker on the tape that says Mother's Day 2006 or something
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I might as well just shoot the rest of the tape though because the next time I want to shoot something
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I want to start with a fresh tape. Yeah
01:46:26
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So I think that those early years of his life where I was shooting mini TV
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there's a lot of filler footage where I just let the camera go because I figured I'd rather just use up the tape and
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then the next era is the flip era where most of the videos were shot with the flip and then
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They're the clips are like just as long as you want them to be and it's you know
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We don't need to we don't need footage of every single present being open on Christmas. This is good
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We got the one where he you know was most excited and put it away
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Yeah, and did you think that when you had a flip did you think of those videos as files? No, no
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Not really, but I was always glad though that they would be more easily put on a hard drive
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You know and moved from computer to computer than the DVD the mini TV tapes, which I've still never really dealt with
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I'm just so thankful now that we're moving to the side. Yeah
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cliche but the era of the cloud and that literally, you know, it took five days for
01:47:25
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everything to sync when I migrated to photos, but my
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25,000 photos and my
01:47:32
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2000 videos that I've shot are all somewhere protected in the cloud and I never have to worry about cassettes
01:47:39
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I never have to worry about
01:47:40
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You know obsolete
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disk formats hard drives all that stuff is just like it's somebody else's problem now and
01:47:48
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And it's not there's no barrier to going and recalling it
01:47:51
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I don't need a deck to play all that stuff. I don't need a special cable, right? It's just it's just there
01:47:57
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I think that's a beautiful beautiful thing that I
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mean there a lot of lip service is paid to it because everybody's you know, the cloud is is what it's the
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It's the golden
01:48:10
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I can't even think of the words to express what I was trying to say.
01:48:15
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The cloud is so whatever, it's just, it's trite at this point, but it's very real.
01:48:21
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Like that data storage has sort of disappeared and we don't have to worry about it anymore.
01:48:26
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Yeah, I like the way, to me it feels like magic when I take, and I take more screenshots
01:48:30
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with my stupid watch than most people because I'm thinking about tweeting things like about
01:48:34
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a stupid UI or maybe thinking about it for an article or whatever.
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But it's really cool to me that when you do it and you take a screenshot, it just shows
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up on your phone.
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And then I was like texting them from my phone to myself or air dropping them, air dropping
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them to my Mac.
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And then I thought, I thought, you know what, I bet they just show up in the new Photos
01:48:54
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And I went to the new Photos app and there, you know, it says today and there's all your
01:48:58
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screenshots.
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They just show up.
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You don't have to sit there and airplay them around, air drop them around to yourself.
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You just wait a couple seconds and it just shows up in photos quicker than if you had
01:49:11
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I mean, obviously images are heavier data than something like a contact, but you remember
01:49:17
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that feeling of like when iCloud first got its shit together and you could add a new
01:49:22
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contact on your phone, it would show up in your contacts app in your Mac instantaneously
01:49:27
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or a calendar or something.
01:49:28
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That's very lightweight data.
01:49:29
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It was still impressive that they got it all working, especially after MobileMe.
01:49:33
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But now that the fact that they can do that with images, which 10 years ago we would have
01:49:39
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just like, everything would have choked instantaneously.
01:49:43
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I think that's incredible.
01:49:47
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It's really fun to watch and I think that the one thing that disappoints me is that
01:49:51
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Apple hasn't done a great job of educating people on the fact that it exists and preparing
01:49:59
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them for what it means with everything that everybody's like constantly collecting with
01:50:05
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their devices.
01:50:06
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I still kind of feel like Apple's nickel and diamond people on the cost.
01:50:09
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I feel like the free tier could be significantly higher.
01:50:13
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Like I don't mind paying four bucks a month or whatever I am for 200 gigabytes or whatever.
01:50:18
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But I kind of feel like the free tier is way too stingy.
01:50:21
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Like there's no way it covers everybody's photos and videos.
01:50:27
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I bet they open that up pretty quickly though.
01:50:28
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Yeah, I think so too that's but it seems like that sort of thing that that they'll just keep every WWDC
01:50:33
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They'll announce new pricing and they'll always by the time May rolls around will always be bitching about you know
01:50:39
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How much it cost because it was prices were set a year ago
01:50:42
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All right. Let me take one last break and then we'll do the last stretch of the show
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Registrar's from like 1995 until today and are all over the place and the other companies aren't that great?
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And you really just want them all under one roof. You don't have to do all that work
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And again, it just sounds too good to be true
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Cuz you think well you got to pay, you know, probably have to pay through the nose for that
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It's it's I can't even imagine how in theory they could make it less of a hassle to move all of your existing domains
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It makes people angry. They don't be angry at hover
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They picked date, but I've been the one talking about it
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But people get angry about it because what he's coming back for from is a year-long suspension from performance enhancing drugs
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from here so that's that looks awesome that looks awesome I don't I mean I was
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just I was looking at the site as you were talking about it I'm gonna use this
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to register a couple of things I thought you needed to go to like shady places to
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to get the new TLDs no but yeah I think you did it first I think you did it
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first but that did not anymore yeah that's cool I like when you say our good
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friends at cuz it's almost there's a little there's something a little good
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fellas about it you know this is my this is my good friend hover or this is our
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good friends at fracture well you know what it makes me the thing that makes me
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happy about so many of these sponsors is that they come back and you know it's
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like to me if I I love new sponsors too and so the rails tutorial you know
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The thing is great first time that they sponsored the show. I hope they come back
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Hope they have great success
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but the fact that the other three sponsors
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Hello was here a couple months ago and they you know
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Like they only signed up for one the first time and then they were so happy with the results
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They sold so many pillows. I mean, which is a crazy thing for me to say like I I
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I could definitely like 10 15 years ago. Imagine a world where I had some kind of talk show
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I wouldn't have known to call it a podcast at the time
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But I could have imagined doing it and I could have imagined that the way that I did it was by selling ads
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You know because that seems to be how shows always did work and probably always will I?
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Could not have imagined that like one of the happy sponsors of the show was selling pillows
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Right, I just doesn't it just I would not have occurred to me. But anyway, it's pretty cool
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I mean, yeah, however, anybody can do any kind of business they want to know
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hover has been a sponsor of this show as long as the show has had
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Sponsors like years and years and years to some level of regularity, you know, at least every quarter
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They've they've sponsored a couple episodes
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So I mean it I and I sincerely mean that they're my good friends because they've you know
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Been part of my business for a long time and I think I truly think they have a great product
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It's super cool
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Let's bring it home. But what are your last thoughts on the watch?
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What do you what do you want to talk about that? We haven't talked to about yet
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Well, I mean just we talked about the future a little bit
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Mean I said the camera what do you what else do you think that the watch has in?
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In two or three years that it doesn't have now well
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I can't figure out how they'll do it, but I can't it to me. It's gotta gain its own networking
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But then you know so you so you don't need an iPhone eventually is that what you're saying like yeah
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But it's I'm not quite sure you know
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Maybe it's just Wi-Fi
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I would probably would be at first probably the first step to that would be to have true Wi-Fi
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And I know that it this gets complicated because the watch does support Wi-Fi at a certain level
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But it's really just using like that back channel Wi-Fi to stay in contact with your phone while you're on the same network
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So like your phone can be all the way
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On the fourth floor and you're down in the basement
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You know getting clothes out of the dryer and it's still connected because it's on the Wi-Fi but your phone
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I mean your watch doesn't get on Wi-Fi like if your phone isn't with you period that's really cool
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I didn't realize that that's how that worked. I because I'd heard that it had Wi-Fi by right because Bluetooth
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I the gist of it is I think Bluetooth is a practical range of about 30 feet and
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You know, I think it gets kind of sketchy at that, but it definitely is true
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I've I haven't some people have asked like have I tested exactly how far away the phone can be now because I don't do reviews
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like I'm not gonna sit there with a tape measure and
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Measure whether I get text messages at 25 feet and do I get them at 26 feet and stuff like that?
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But I've definitely had the phone way more than 30 feet away inside my house and I still
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get text messages and stuff like that.
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And that's so smart because the only places you're going to be that far away from your
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phone in the first place are places where you know the Wi-Fi.
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You have – you're on the Wi-Fi network and it's a friendly place.
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Otherwise you're outside of a network and you're worried about everybody stealing
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So everything's together.
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So I don't know how the business of it would work because even if you buy a cellular
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You still have to pay at least, you know, like 10, 15 bucks a month to get some kind
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And nobody wants to keep spending 10, 15 bucks a month.
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But there's got to be some kind of way, I think, that once they can shrink a cellular
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antenna and fit it in a watch and not have it, you know, decrease the battery to less
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than a day, that it'll have independent cellular.
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Well, is it okay to – is it fair to say that I don't really want that?
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Like I don't – yeah.
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I feel like if I stepped back to 2002,
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when we were hooking our iPods up through Firewire
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to our Macs in order to manage the libraries on them,
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if you asked me, would you like,
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if you could just have music on your iPod,
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you didn't need to do it through your Mac,
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or even the iPhone, you know,
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like the iPhone you still needed to connect to your Mac
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at the beginning.
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And you asked me like, would you want that to not happen?
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So you could just do everything you want.
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I'd probably say the same.
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I'd probably say, no, I'm good.
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I like keeping everything on my Mac
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and then just managing it there.
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- Yeah, I think you're underestimating.
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I don't think it's because, and again,
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it's not because I think that you wanna do a lot
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on your watch without the phone.
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'Cause again, I don't think that's ever gonna change.
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But I do think though that you should be able
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to just not worry about how close you are to your phone.
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- Sure. - Like if you wanted to,
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you know, and for exercising, I think that's a huge one,
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is that you don't have to have your stupid phone
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strapped to your arm in a band or whatever.
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And that you can just go for a run for five miles
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and if an important notification comes in,
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you're still gonna get it.
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So I think it's gotta happen eventually,
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but I don't know, you'd have to switch to some kind of plan
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where everything is sort of a la carte.
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You know, you just sign up, you give Verizon $100 a month
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and you get all of your devices.
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It sort of works like that with the family plan now, but.
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- Yeah, I could see it, I could see that.
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- I know, 'cause I'm not gonna, I almost missed it,
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but GPS is another one.
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and I know that the people who run and bicycle are,
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that's like the number one thing
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that they feel like this first one's missing.
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- That makes sense.
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I mean, the first iPhone didn't have GPS
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and it felt like you had to do this bullshit triangulating
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to get your location on a map, which seemed like a jip.
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But I feel like the, it's not a concern for me.
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I'm not an avid sportsman, so maybe that's why.
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but I have GPS, pretty accurate GPS on my phone.
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So I don't think anybody's sweating.
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- Yeah, but the exercise,
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the people who are really into fitness,
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they wanna go without the phone.
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They wanna just, 'cause the watch is so much better.
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Then you don't have this, you know.
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There's just no good way to run with the phone on, really.
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And they just wanna go and do it.
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Without GPS, they feel like they can't,
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because there's so many of these apps for bicycling
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where they have like, they already have like three years
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of like every single bike ride they've had,
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they have an exact map of where they've gone.
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And they don't wanna lose it.
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Same way that we were talking before about with the watch,
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where now that you've got the watch on for a week
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and you've got like this week worth of activity things,
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you wanna keep wearing the watch tomorrow
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because you don't wanna lose that.
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- Skip the day, yeah, skip the day.
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- But they've already got,
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they're already used to having that GPS data.
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- Well, I keep my phone in the little fanny pack.
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Like they make these like really slim profile
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fanny packs that you can wear when you're running.
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Don't laugh at me.
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Don't laugh at Jon Gruber.
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Really cool fanny packs is what you're saying.
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Well you can't even, it's very low profile, you can't even see it under the sports bra.
02:02:27
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Okay so like Cable tweeted the other day, was it Cable or maybe somebody tweeted, regardless,
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He had a waiter ask him if I saw his watch and said oh you have the new iPhone watch.
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And I thought that was kind of fascinating that it's I mean a waiter asked me yesterday
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oh can I see your iWatch can you can you show me what it does.
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iWatch makes sense whatever that's the go-to.
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iPhone watch made a different kind of sense because that means that people are some people
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are just naturally associated with the hub being the computer that it sort of connects
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to being the iPhone. I think that's kind of cool on top of which it kind of looks like
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an iPhone 6.
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It, it, yeah, and I think it kind of, it does, it is an interesting way to say it and it
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does sort of, I wonder whether inside Apple how much they were worried about the fact
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that they're selling it as a thing you have to have with an iPhone. You know, that it,
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Is that a bitter pill for people to swallow that this thing really needs to be within
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30 feet of your iPhone at all times to have functionality?
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I don't think so.
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I think I could be wrong, but I think people would look at – people like myself would
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look at it as an advantage.
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I think it's awesome.
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It's like a tetherless tether.
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What it just means to me is that it makes my watch that much powerful.
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my imbues my watch with the power of an iPhone which has been working for eight years to
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be as powerful as it is now.
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It really, the one thing that really struck me early on was how much the watch wants to
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be in contact with your iPhone. Because as soon as it's out of range of your iPhone,
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like if you power your iPhone off, you get like what in my opinion is almost an ugly
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icon. Not ugly like that it was poorly drawn, but because it's like a red, you know what
02:04:27
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I mean? It's like up where the notification.
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No, what are you talking, which one are you talking about?
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So if you turn your phone off, the watch gets a little icon up at the top, a little red.
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It's like a little red phone with a line through it, like it's saying I can't find the phone
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that I'm paired with.
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And there's no way to get rid of that icon until you're back in range of the phone.
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And it's just – at first I thought, wow, they really made that glaring.
02:04:54
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But then I realized using it that it's because the watch really does want to be within range
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of the phone at all times.
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it's it's like lacking in oxygen when it's not not doesn't have the phone
02:05:05
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totally how cool is that pairing process of pointing your phone at your watch I
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think it's so great and I think I you know I'm guilty as charged that I
02:05:17
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haven't sung it to praises enough but I feel like it's unheralded how good the
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pairing process is incredible beautiful could have been a QR code thank God it
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wasn't just like magical.
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I can't think of a...
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The last time I had an experience with tech
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that was that magical is with the first time I slid
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the power on the first iPhone
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and it showed me a picture of the world.
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I was like, holy crap, this is a magical thing.
02:05:45
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That unboxing experience of point your phone
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at the weird magic eye type graphic on your watch,
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That was just some smart consumer technology.
02:05:59
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- Yeah, and as it sinks the first time,
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to me the animation is just gorgeous.
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It's very simple, but they sweat so many details
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in that process.
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So there's a watch on the phone,
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like a picture of a watch on the phone
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as the phone app is syncing with the watch,
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and the animation on the fake watch
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that's shown on the phone, it stays in perfect sync
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with the animation, the progress spinner on the watch itself.
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- It's so cool, it's just signaling to you
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that these two things are connected.
02:06:38
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And I feel like maybe even a perfect way of summing up
02:06:43
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or capping the show is, you told me,
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when we were texting back and forth,
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when you had the watch and I didn't yet,
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And you told, and you said, I realized what,
02:06:54
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and it's sort of, you wrote this piece about it anyway,
02:06:56
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but you said, I realized what the phone is,
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or what the watch is.
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What did you say?
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You know what I mean? - It's just a really cool
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digital watch.
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- Yeah, it's a cool ass digital watch.
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It's like the most sophisticated digital watch
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you've ever seen.
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And you know, it does,
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and I think the most futuristic thing probably
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in that old world context of what is a watch
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is like that you can make phone calls with it.
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I think that's pretty awesome.
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It's not something that I would put into practice
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hardly ever.
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I think it's awesome that my watch rings
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when I get a new call and I can decline it from there
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but I would never like, especially in front of people,
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I would never like take a call on my watch
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and just start talking to somebody.
02:07:42
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It seems like a weird thing to do.
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But it is super futuristic and bond like.
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But to me, I think if I were to summarize what the watch is,
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I would say it's a really cool second screen
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for your iPhone.
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- Yeah, yeah, I would totally agree.
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- And it's strapped to your body, so it's always there.
02:08:02
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- I will say this, I have to say this before we go,
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'cause we didn't really talk about the touch communication.
02:08:10
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- But that's hard for you to talk about.
02:08:11
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Here's the thing, it's hard for you to talk about though,
02:08:12
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'cause Roxanna doesn't have, well, you have hers
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and you don't have yours.
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- Yeah, so like she's the most intimate person,
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you know, connected to me.
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So I have yet to try that out.
02:08:25
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And so like, I mean, you sent me a tap message
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that I only just got like when we were halfway
02:08:31
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through the show 'cause I was ignoring it.
02:08:33
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- No, that was my way of like,
02:08:35
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I wanted it to be like, are you ready?
02:08:37
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- Yeah, okay, that's nice.
02:08:39
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I just did like, I sent you an old fashioned text
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like a grandpa. - Right.
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And it's like, so I have yet to prove out that use case,
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I think, for myself.
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Whether it's a heartbeat or whether it's like,
02:08:52
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drawing a sketch, to me, the screen is way too small
02:08:55
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to draw anything meaningful and for some reason,
02:08:57
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the only thing I can think to draw is a dick and dies.
02:09:00
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I don't wanna do that.
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And then the next meaningful thing is a happy face
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and I don't wanna do that either.
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So I just end up not using it.
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- I send a lot of happy faces.
02:09:09
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No, but you know, I said this before,
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It's and it's so true is that for those features and so many people after my initial review came up there
02:09:19
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Like did you how many did Apple give you did they give you two so you can test the drawing?
02:09:23
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And the way that we tested the drawing was we I could send taps and the heartbeats and doodles to people who worked at Apple
02:09:31
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But I know and I did it just to see that it worked
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but it always felt a little weird because it's like
02:09:37
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all of those communications seem way too
02:09:41
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Informal and the heartbeat one to me really does I hate to use the word because it sounds corny
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But it really is a little intimate
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It just doesn't seem like something you would send to somebody you have a professional relationship with
02:09:51
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What do you do me a favor as an experiment? I've got I've got a tap message
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Cued up for you. I'm just gonna try to try drawing something. All right
02:10:00
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All right, because this is the first time I've done this in real time. Okay?
02:10:04
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Did it come?
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No, I didn't get it.
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Some of these things are sometimes a little latent.
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So I don't know.
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Here, I'll send you a couple taps.
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Oh yeah, I'm getting your taps.
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That's kind of nice.
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It's like raindrops.
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What am I supposed to I don't even know what I'm supposed to do. We'll just draw a picture
02:10:35
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Okay, but did you add me to the?
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Yeah, you're in my favor. All right
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And I don't think I'm getting it all right now right there it is
02:10:47
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All right, so it works it's an action shot
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This is the future I
02:11:02
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Did that to Dalrymple
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I've kind of guessed when Dalrymple was gonna get a review unit and I was checking and you can tell if somebody has an Apple
02:11:12
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Watch because then when you put them in your friends and you go to their friends
02:11:16
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They they get the third button down underneath, you know and say instead of just phone call and text
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You can also send them a digital touch
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So I just kept waiting for Dalrymple to get the digital touch and as soon as he did I sent him a similar drawing
02:11:28
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So I could so that I could be at first
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Oh that's great that feels good. Well Adam Leesagore always pleasure to have
02:11:38
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you on the show. Thanks so much I was greatly looking. Really really great now
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