00:00:17 ◼ ► Like the week before thanksgiving and we've got now as of today the day we're recording
00:00:31 ◼ ► Getting to see the Millennium Falcon flying over some sand wherever that was tattooing or whatever was that like you get chills
00:00:43 ◼ ► That agree with that. Yeah drawing a blank on anything else that you would call a franchise that I could put up there with them
00:00:54 ◼ ► Cinematic universe stuff. I like that stuff, but it's not there's no Marvel movie that's ever been announced
00:01:02 ◼ ► Either of these that maybe it's because it's so new like do you think maybe in 30 years do you think someday Jonas when they?
00:01:13 ◼ ► Don't know. I know I wouldn't I just don't think that they're of the caliber. Wait, you've seen Guardians, right? Yeah
00:01:23 ◼ ► But I'd say that that's the thing that I've seen in theaters lately that gave me anywhere near that same level of feeling
00:01:33 ◼ ► Guardian knowing that Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is coming out or when they when they announced the trailer or whatever
00:01:41 ◼ ► Yeah, but that's cuz you grew up with Star Wars. Well, it's and grew up with James Bond. Maybe that's it
00:01:46 ◼ ► I'm not even saying it's because the quality I'm just saying right right me and I generate
00:01:50 ◼ ► and there's an it's just interesting to me though because they're the two my two favorite franchises and
00:01:55 ◼ ► They're coming out in such close proximity to each other. So Star Wars is I don't think there's a date
00:02:01 ◼ ► It's like just December 2015. Yeah, December and then was it November 9th for bond or 6th or something?
00:02:18 ◼ ► I honestly thought that blockbuster action movies like that took more than a year. Well, maybe they they've
00:02:25 ◼ ► They knew about the movie. So maybe like the visual effects are all done. They just got to go and shoot it real quick
00:02:33 ◼ ► But I guess it just goes to show how much longer production because and clearly these are two franchises that are known for
00:02:58 ◼ ► But a lot of the sets and everything are practical and so I guess it doesn't take that much longer to edit
00:03:04 ◼ ► You know after shooting then Star Wars. Well, yeah the visual thing not just that there's more visual effects
00:03:10 ◼ ► But I don't I'm I haven't seen the script for the new Bond movie, but I'm guessing that none of the characters are fully CG
00:03:25 ◼ ► I just seems that just seems like the pace of Star Wars seems exactly right to me and I know that if I were a kid
00:03:39 ◼ ► I could not believe how you know they had to wait four years for the Empire Strikes Back and well
00:03:51 ◼ ► but now that I'm an adult like ever since this new Star Wars movie was announced the whole thing where Lucas is selling it to
00:04:07 ◼ ► You know more or less the same amount of time in the real world that's passed since Star Wars is gonna be in
00:04:12 ◼ ► their universe what it is and then they announced JJ Abrams was gonna direct and the writers and etc and
00:04:25 ◼ ► Like this is proceeding at a reasonable pace and yeah 2015 sounds like a reasonable time for the movie to come out
00:04:36 ◼ ► 11 months from now that seems crazy you say that but episode 1 Phantom Menace came out in
00:04:50 ◼ ► You got to figure they probably took a little bit of time off between right so let's say let's say a year and a half
00:05:08 ◼ ► But like fully realized well more or less fully realized CG characters that have to be animated and all these little details I
00:05:19 ◼ ► I think and if they can do that in a year and a half then it's not inconceivable that you I mean didn't they make
00:05:37 ◼ ► It is dangerous not dangerous, but it's hallowed the talk show ground talking about the Bond movies
00:05:45 ◼ ► And it is something that I you know purposely and deliberately did not you know in the old run with with Dan Benjamin
00:06:02 ◼ ► We included never say never again, which is not in the M production. So we did 23 episodes of the show
00:06:20 ◼ ► WWDC or places like that everybody I'd say half the comments about the show are always about the the bond series
00:06:32 ◼ ► You know has a lot more staying power than the first half of the show, right exactly evergreen
00:06:36 ◼ ► All right, it's you know, pretty much as relevant and I didn't you know, we Dan and I broke up and he's no longer here
00:06:50 ◼ ► and I don't think there ever will be I don't think be right to do it with somebody else and
00:06:57 ◼ ► But we can talk, you know without going for a whole hour about Skyfall we can still talk bond, but it's tough
00:07:14 ◼ ► Star Wars than then then Spectre, which that's the title. It's it's I don't know. It's uh, I
00:07:22 ◼ ► Say yes, but because I've seen it like you ask yes somebody who somebody with more than one kid who their favorite kid is and
00:07:32 ◼ ► But if one of the kids hasn't been born yet well I like the first one better because I've seen it
00:07:39 ◼ ► Interesting that they're coming out at the same time and now big news came out within a week or two of each other and they're
00:07:45 ◼ ► Too my two favorite thing it just seems so serendipitous and I was thinking about it a lot
00:07:50 ◼ ► I'm even thinking maybe I'll do maybe like a Star Wars special episode of this show. It's sometime this month
00:08:07 ◼ ► I could we could I could easily put together a guest or two and we could do three shows on Star Wars
00:08:12 ◼ ► You could start a whole new podcast just talking about Star Wars. All right, but comparing it to the bond franchise
00:08:27 ◼ ► Which really I really don't think it's fair because even though it was released theatrically
00:08:39 ◼ ► I think well was it was made as a TV pilot and they were like, this is actually pretty good
00:08:48 ◼ ► Green side maybe they didn't maybe they didn't even maybe it was 1.85 which or something like that's which is close to the 69
00:08:55 ◼ ► I remember seeing that in the theater and walking out and just thinking what what was that?
00:08:59 ◼ ► Like that wasn't that wasn't anything like I thought it was gonna be and I'm watching the cartoon like the animated series
00:09:12 ◼ ► It wasn't I would I would say with my my most recent benchmarks for Star Wars quality being the prequel trilogy
00:09:25 ◼ ► Yeah, I don't I think it it always felt padded out to me. It always felt to me like they didn't you know, they
00:09:39 ◼ ► They only had about half as many that were decent and it always felt padded out and maybe cliffhanger
00:09:44 ◼ ► Yes, did you watch it while it was going? Yeah for the most part not like we don't eat but but
00:09:49 ◼ ► Yeah, maybe that's it cuz I watched them all back-to-back. So I'd watch six or seven at a time
00:09:59 ◼ ► It's padded out by the good ones. So even if even if half them are bad, you're still kind of remembering more of the good stuff
00:10:10 ◼ ► it was a lost opportunity and I felt like they had a lot of things that were repetitious and that took away from that the
00:10:26 ◼ ► Makes it changes the like the way the movies present it, you know, they had the the one encounter in the second movie where?
00:10:34 ◼ ► Anakin lost his arm and obi-wan almost got killed and yoda came in and rescued him with the you know quick fight
00:10:41 ◼ ► And then in the next movie and they made it seem as though look we haven't seen this guy since the last time when he
00:10:50 ◼ ► But in the meantime if you've watched the Clone Wars TV show they've fought against Dooku dozens of times in between well in the movies
00:10:58 ◼ ► It always seemed like there's a huge chunk of time that we just didn't get to see and it felt really awkward
00:11:09 ◼ ► There's probably some stuff that happened like the just getting Lando into Jabba's Palace and like getting everything set up to pull that off
00:11:18 ◼ ► But you're not really missing out on much by not seeing those things like you can still get a sense of time has passed
00:11:23 ◼ ► But you don't need to know exactly how much time right and there was a reference in Empire Strikes Back
00:11:41 ◼ ► It's like Ord Mandel or something like that that there was like a bounty that they encountered a bounty hunter recently
00:11:51 ◼ ► Yeah, you get hints at it you get hints that there's been some time has but the difference between the gap between episode 2
00:12:01 ◼ ► Yeah, if you're watching it sitting down to watch it even if you watch them back-to-back
00:12:05 ◼ ► It feels like there's an entire movie missing which is one of the big failings of the prequel trilogy
00:12:14 ◼ ► Backstory stuff because I felt like I missed it to begin with my yeah, I just I just feel like it could have been better
00:12:19 ◼ ► Yeah, well my trouble with it was that it never really felt like Star Wars. Yeah, I agree with that, too
00:12:27 ◼ ► And once you kind of ease into it, like once you get used to it, it's pretty it's pretty good
00:12:31 ◼ ► It's entertaining but it never really felt like canonical Star Wars and the way that the expanded universe stuff always kind of feels like fan
00:12:41 ◼ ► So I still say there's only six movies. I would heart that and that's the big difference is we've only had six movies over
00:13:01 ◼ ► Trilogies and we've had another gap since the last trilogy that really helps to soften the blow
00:13:12 ◼ ► And I think that's actually where Star Wars especially now that Disney owns it and you know, this is what Disney does
00:13:21 ◼ ► We're going to see you know, there's there's going to be more Star Wars trilogies after this one whether it's you know
00:13:26 ◼ ► A thousand years ago or in the future or whatever and some might be good and some might be bad
00:13:33 ◼ ► It'll work itself out and OB abs might be that you can you can get by with ebbs and flows
00:13:39 ◼ ► but the fact that there have only been six is what makes people bitch so much about the
00:13:50 ◼ ► Yeah to make a comparison in another medium you look at a TV show like Sherlock and each season is only I think three episodes
00:14:05 ◼ ► You don't just wait till next week. All right, right and it's like I've always said it like comparing baseball to football
00:14:15 ◼ ► 100 and us plays 162 regular season games a year and football and the NFL they only play 16 games
00:14:32 ◼ ► That's a quarter of your season is you've just lost all in a row right baseball you lose a game
00:14:39 ◼ ► but I do feel though that the pressure is really on Star Wars at this point though because everybody was
00:14:53 ◼ ► But I think that if you polled people if this were a democracy if opinions were democracy
00:14:59 ◼ ► They'd just be expunged from the record if we could if we go back in time and unmake those movies
00:15:04 ◼ ► I bet most people would elect to do that. I'm I'm not of that opinion, and I spoke it's been a long time
00:15:11 ◼ ► I'm nowhere near as down on the prequel trilogy as a lot of my peers are of our generation and maybe it's partly because I
00:15:18 ◼ ► Have a son who you know, so young and I've said this before it was with moltz a while back
00:15:36 ◼ ► And I know some people, you know, like I'd Syracuse it famously has like wouldn't even let his kids watch the prequel trilogy
00:15:46 ◼ ► Yeah, I understand why as a cinema fan you would do that but you're robbing your kid of
00:15:53 ◼ ► You know something that is pierce now they did, you know, they like the clone troopers and stuff like that
00:15:58 ◼ ► It's it's it's different for them. I don't know and I think it's very hard to compare to when
00:16:05 ◼ ► You live in a world where you can watch them on demand whereas I grew up and it wasn't I don't think they came out
00:16:13 ◼ ► so there's plenty of crap that we watched when we were kids that we really liked and we can look back as adults and
00:16:23 ◼ ► They did re-release them like in between so like you could go see Star Wars two years after it came out again
00:16:30 ◼ ► But you know you were limited by how many times your parents will let you go to the movie theater
00:16:56 ◼ ► I would go to the comic book stores and they would have like Star Wars stuff and it always looked to me
00:17:01 ◼ ► Maybe it was the haircuts or the quality of the printing, but it always just looked old
00:17:04 ◼ ► It looked like old 70s like the original Battlestar Galactica or Flash Gordon like it had that vibe
00:17:10 ◼ ► It's like this is stuff. That's like it's gonna be old and cheesy. I don't want to bother
00:17:13 ◼ ► And it wasn't until a friend had gotten I think for his birthday the VHS set like one of the VHS
00:17:30 ◼ ► So the movie ends and I'm still like glued to the edge of my seat. My life had been changed
00:17:35 ◼ ► I'd still remember seeing it the first time and I was I don't know it must have been must have been the first run
00:17:59 ◼ ► And my sister's two years younger than me and a lot of times, you know, she was only two
00:18:19 ◼ ► Most of the movies I went to see when I was four or five years old were pretty crappy and not very
00:18:59 ◼ ► The sense of enormity that that Star Destroyer gives you in a theater, I remember my dad
00:19:19 ◼ ► Although, you know, maybe looking back, maybe the fact that the first time I saw it was
00:19:33 ◼ ► I remember too another I do remember the I also remember the first time I saw Star Wars
00:19:39 ◼ ► on home video it was my friend Joe's birthday must have been I don't know what year it would
00:20:15 ◼ ► Weren't released yet. Oh Joe's Joe's dad had a bootleg version of the Empire Strikes Back the bestly shit and
00:20:33 ◼ ► so like if you if like a bunch of us were going to the mall and two dads were driving you wanted to go with
00:20:42 ◼ ► It just seemed too good to be true though. I really thought that he was setting us up. I
00:20:46 ◼ ► Couldn't believe that I was gonna get to watch Star Wars in a house. I thought he's he's shitting us
00:20:56 ◼ ► He put it in and holy shit. It was Star Wars and it was the other thing. I remember very distinctively
00:21:03 ◼ ► What they did for the aspect ratio was it wasn't pan and scan and it wasn't letterboxed it was squished
00:21:22 ◼ ► It was funny. It's just one of those things like you got used to I'd say within like 10 minutes
00:21:33 ◼ ► During the like the late 90s just after Napster. Did you did you get into the thing of downloading movies at all?
00:21:45 ◼ ► but it always seemed like too much work and it was always so hard to find it and then you had to like
00:22:01 ◼ ► I just can never get into it always seemed like too much work and I never ever ever ever
00:22:09 ◼ ► I was you know 18 years old and I didn't know anybody the idea that I could see a movie
00:22:20 ◼ ► like there's no way to get the audio and the video to line up the way you would expect them to and I
00:22:24 ◼ ► To this day. I have no idea technically what would even cause that problem or why anybody would find that to be acceptable
00:22:32 ◼ ► By the end the audio is out of sync with the video and the aspect ratio is just super squished you can get used to
00:22:49 ◼ ► But I wonder how many movies I thought were terrible. They're actually pretty good. I don't know that's a good question
00:22:59 ◼ ► Well or teaser you got to talk about that lightsaber. Yeah, I don't I didn't think anything of it
00:23:05 ◼ ► I was surprised that I was mostly offline at the time. I was it was Thanksgiving weekend
00:23:09 ◼ ► We were traveling so I heard that the trailer came out, but I didn't want to watch it on shitty screen
00:23:18 ◼ ► The couple of days after Thanksgiving I watched I wanted to see it. I wanted to see it for the first time on my TV
00:23:24 ◼ ► I've of course noticed the lightsaber, but I didn't really think anything of it because I thought that the
00:23:50 ◼ ► When the when the Phantom Menace trailer came out the very first trailer was a huge deal
00:23:59 ◼ ► Finally we had enough bandwidth to get video and there there were like a million parodies of the episode the Phantom Menace trailer like there's a
00:24:05 ◼ ► South Park version I remember pretty clearly everybody was doing a thing with the trailer
00:24:17 ◼ ► Any you know the the snap hiss and the red blade comes out and you get excited and then the other one comes out
00:24:22 ◼ ► Yeah, and you just kind of like you lose your mind for a second like that's that's so why didn't I ever think of that?
00:24:31 ◼ ► This had kind of a similar effect where I'm watching the trailer and you hear the snap hiss and the red blade comes out and there's
00:24:41 ◼ ► It's like a broken lightsaber and you're like the me at least I'm tuned into that for a second
00:25:07 ◼ ► I don't I feel like if you if you know the force you the force will keep you from hurting yourself with it
00:25:17 ◼ ► I mean the internet has done a pretty good job of showing that that's a terrible design if somebody's blade slides down
00:25:28 ◼ ► Yeah, I don't know. I guess it's supposed to be something like a cross guard. Maybe it's just supposed to look cool
00:25:36 ◼ ► I've always had the impression that you don't really need a cross guard on lightsabers like you do on real swords because it seems to
00:25:42 ◼ ► Like when two sabers connect they kind of stick and there's no way to slide it. Oh, really?
00:25:50 ◼ ► But I don't seem like me seems like when they lock up and they make that two sabers locked up sound
00:26:02 ◼ ► I thought that like obi-wan's blade was shorting out because the angle at which that scene was filmed
00:26:12 ◼ ► So I thought for a long time that his blade was shorting out and that's where the dramatic tension in that scene came from wasn't
00:29:45 ◼ ► You'll start to figure things out and if they give you enough plot points in the trailer your moviegoer story
00:29:52 ◼ ► Follower mind is gonna fill in those gaps and you you know what the story is gonna be before it all down the theater
00:30:04 ◼ ► I don't think that any you know, I don't think most good films adhere to it in a very formal sense
00:30:11 ◼ ► I just think it's the basic sense that you know, you know, you want to have a beginning middle and end
00:30:35 ◼ ► I'm making a note now because when it comes out I want to see it and then it keeps going
00:30:40 ◼ ► I've already been there and it keeps going and they're clearly going into act two, right?
00:30:46 ◼ ► They're clearly going into the middle of movie and it's like wait. Why are you showing me this?
00:30:54 ◼ ► Let me let me just experience this and I do think too though as somebody who has a a rudimentary
00:31:00 ◼ ► You know dilettantes and interest in making movies and has you know, I should I made student films in college and I you know
00:31:41 ◼ ► Disappointing well ever since Hunger Games and I've this I've established this rule every time I break it every time I watch a trailer
00:31:48 ◼ ► I regret it the most recent example is I watch the trade. Did you see a million ways to die in the West?
00:32:08 ◼ ► No, that's a good example of a movie that I probably would have put on my to to watch list
00:32:17 ◼ ► I was I was hoping cuz family guy as a show like it or hate it. It's pretty dense with jokes
00:32:23 ◼ ► So I went in thinking well, yeah, they put some stuff in the trailer, but there's gonna be a lot of stuff
00:32:30 ◼ ► Yeah, and to the point when did when the things happened that happened in the trailer and people in the theater are laughing
00:32:57 ◼ ► It was an 80s movie. Let me look it up De Niro and Charles Grodin. I have no idea what that would be Midnight Run
00:33:04 ◼ ► 1988 hmm now for whatever reason I saw that was in now that was like when I was in like junior high
00:33:15 ◼ ► you know, it was like a group of teenagers as we went to movies. So I saw tons and that was like
00:33:19 ◼ ► peak theater watching movies life for me. I saw the trailer for that movie like a dozen times
00:33:26 ◼ ► and Charles Grodin is like a guy with a bunch of phobias and Robert De Niro is like a bounty
00:33:42 ◼ ► In the tropes category, De Niro is a tough guy and Grodin's the opposite and he's got all these things.
00:33:48 ◼ ► And he says like, you know, there's this line where Charles Grodin says something like,
00:34:01 ◼ ► And it was in the trailer all this time. And then we went to see the movie and he gives the line in
00:34:08 ◼ ► the movie and it was, you know, and everybody in the theater laughed. And I remember thinking,
00:34:12 ◼ ► Why is everybody laughing surely you've seen this because it's in all the trailers. It was in the commercials
00:34:16 ◼ ► It was like the signature spoiled joke of the movie, but yet for some reason the theater still left
00:34:21 ◼ ► Yeah, I don't get it. Well, that's just I think it's just something I think I was too cynical at times a teenager
00:34:29 ◼ ► People pay the movie people want the movie to be good because they took two hours of their lives to see it and they spent
00:34:38 ◼ ► You know a group like they wouldn't laugh if they were watching it at home if it was well
00:34:46 ◼ ► Yeah, and that well even a really funny movie if I'm watching it by myself at home. I rarely laugh out loud right
00:34:57 ◼ ► did you see somebody was just somebody maybe it was you somebody posted a link to the the original trailer for a new hope and
00:35:09 ◼ ► was a real a really interesting juxtaposition in the editing styles because then back in the 70s
00:35:20 ◼ ► And he's like you give a little bit about the character and then it talks about and then they're gonna have these crazy
00:35:25 ◼ ► Villains and you get excited about the type of story more than any specific thing that's gonna happen
00:36:57 ◼ ► there on the screen. Give me give me the Millennium Falcon and a John Williams score. Just even
00:37:05 ◼ ► Yeah, so kudos to J.J. Abrams and to Disney and everybody else that they made a completely
00:37:16 ◼ ► Well, we were talking about this on Twitter, the question of the Stormtrooper and whether
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00:44:44 ◼ ► That's like here's your jeans this month right done. Right? Do these look good? Yes. All right, give us your size
00:45:04 ◼ ► You know your shirt size and your pants sides just done standing order. Yeah, let me subscribe to that
00:45:20 ◼ ► All right Star Wars trailer should we dissect it I say I'm gonna save everything else about Star Wars for a future episode
00:45:26 ◼ ► But we could dissect the trailer we can dissect the trailer. I think who do you think the narrator is I?
00:45:36 ◼ ► there was some speculation that it was Benedict Cumberbatch, which was a I can hear it but
00:46:03 ◼ ► Like some sage like character, but I guess there isn't there's like an air of darkness or villainy to the voice
00:46:13 ◼ ► Hmm Jonas thinks though Jonas watched it with me. He thinks that the character with the red lightsaber is a woman
00:46:21 ◼ ► That would be interesting. I think he's thrown off though by the sort of kilt like thing that the guy is wearing
00:46:29 ◼ ► Yeah, because that's pretty tip. I mean even Darth Vader kind of wears us. Yeah, but Jonas, but he but his cape usually hides it
00:47:14 ◼ ► You're a man, even though I've seen that, you know, the Clone Wars thing with Asajj Ventress and you know
00:47:22 ◼ ► They you know, he was much more open to the idea that that character could be a man or woman
00:47:29 ◼ ► Do you think in this do you think that the lightsaber might have something to do with that?
00:47:36 ◼ ► I mean if that's the case, I don't mean the the weird cross guard thing but like the weird kind of
00:47:41 ◼ ► Almost flame looking blade rather than just a solid. Yeah, there's a John. There's an article put it in the show notes
00:48:02 ◼ ► Jedis at least the major characters, you know, like some of the scenes in the prequel trilogy where they had like a hundred Jedi running around
00:48:08 ◼ ► You know and you know, they were just all copy and paste jobs, you know, you get blue you get green you get blue
00:48:16 ◼ ► But the major characters all had a lightsaber that said something about their character
00:48:28 ◼ ► And it's simple and it's elegant. It is exactly what he says. It's the elegant weapon from a more civilized time
00:48:33 ◼ ► Even in the original Darth Vader's lightsaber had a black, you know more black than chrome on the handle
00:48:41 ◼ ► Just looked a little bit more into the time. Here's the only one who had a red lightsaber
00:48:44 ◼ ► Right, which looks it just at least to my eyes, you know, maybe it's just I'm trained it
00:48:51 ◼ ► But it just seems more natural that the bad guys would have read right reds the color of yeah
00:48:56 ◼ ► We didn't see green until return of the Jedi and then I guess the only reason we saw green is because it showed up better
00:49:05 ◼ ► No, that was actually yeah, that's the exact story is that they were they they had they just they at the time
00:49:12 ◼ ► They just thought blues good guys are blue bad guys are red and then they went to do it and they'd never done one
00:49:25 ◼ ► Yeah, it works and then even episode one we still only see red green blue wasn't until episode two
00:49:43 ◼ ► Yeah, I've heard that story and I heard that it then that Lucas said no no no and then like a day later Lucas came back
00:49:55 ◼ ► Like what do you what do you think his thought process is like is there like some canonical?
00:49:59 ◼ ► Here's how the gems inside the thing work or or is he just like trying to hold steadfast to some
00:50:12 ◼ ► like it's one of the things little things that worked for me in the prequel trilogy where is it's
00:50:23 ◼ ► Three Jedi for if you count Vader, right? Oh, I bet that was I bet it was the the scene at the the end of clones
00:50:34 ◼ ► How do you how do you more visually establish that mace Windu is above all of these guys that he's you know?
00:50:56 ◼ ► Well, I've got to do this scene with a thousand Jedi on the screen at once and if all you see is
00:51:05 ◼ ► It's like well not just that but you could realize well if I'm gonna give people like yellow and pink and all this other shit
00:51:33 ◼ ► And so he had to do it on his own and that's why it crackles and sizzles and seems a little bit less a little bit
00:52:16 ◼ ► Although you know if if the good guys can show up as ghosts and help guide other good guys
00:52:26 ◼ ► Maybe there's something to the Emperor was able to do the same thing to restart shit well and the other thing too that
00:52:41 ◼ ► They just didn't call them Sith like they are there were already. You know there was the video game
00:52:44 ◼ ► I mean again what's canon and what's not anymore is up to for date, but there was the one
00:52:48 ◼ ► I think it was actually called wasn't it called like the secret apprentice where Vader had a secret apprentice
00:52:56 ◼ ► so he had a secret apprentice and the you know, even if you say well video game is in Canon, I think the Clone Wars show is
00:53:04 ◼ ► You know, there was a saj ventress who was like a secret apprentice to Dooku so there were
00:53:25 ◼ ► I I would say that because what we get the the always to thing it's from that line of dialogue from Yoda
00:53:41 ◼ ► That what he meant was there's always gonna be more if we see one there's got to be another one
00:53:45 ◼ ► Right was a master and apprentice not that there are only two exactly two, but there are always at least two
00:53:51 ◼ ► They're always coming pairs. Right right. Like we've we've seen this one dude. There's gonna be another dude
00:53:56 ◼ ► We don't know if this is the master or the apprentice, but there's gonna be and somewhere out there. There's another dude
00:54:00 ◼ ► It just seems it's like you said it's such a stupid rule that if they if they're if their goal was to overthrow the Jedi
00:54:07 ◼ ► I order over there's hundreds of them. All right, we're gonna overthrow these guys and we're only gonna have two of us
00:54:19 ◼ ► Maybe just leave out the part where everybody before you including you has killed their master
00:54:24 ◼ ► You just leave that out of the history so that you don't plant that idea in your friend is his head
00:54:36 ◼ ► I think it's because I think the idea there was that they always you know that each one of them is so arrogant and so
00:54:42 ◼ ► Confident in their you know dominance over their apprentice that they're they're not they always think that this can't happen to me
00:54:48 ◼ ► But when you're like the 301, you know, you know from history that that's always gone the other direction
00:54:56 ◼ ► Right. It's like I know you and I trust you but if I knew that if I knew that the last 30 people
00:55:10 ◼ ► Like it really I'm pretty sure that you're I I trust you you seem like a non psychopath you seem like a friend
00:55:30 ◼ ► This is they're like okay. Well. Here's here's the story of how literally everyone before you has killed their master including me
00:55:52 ◼ ► And that's I think notable that says a lot about the movie and the the time period and the attitude of the movie that we see
00:56:09 ◼ ► They've hired some industrial designers to come in and redo some shit. Yeah, it seems like a slightly tweaked stormtroopers
00:56:17 ◼ ► Yeah, it's not it's not a huge departure like they feel like stormtroopers right in the same way that the clone troopers kind of feel
00:56:29 ◼ ► Even though it's been a longer period of time, it seems like there's been less advancement,
00:56:49 ◼ ► The X-wings we see look pretty much like X-wings, but with a little bit of advancement.
00:56:58 ◼ ► Like everything had carbon scoring on everything was a little broken a little bit shitty
00:57:05 ◼ ► But it hasn't turned around so much like there's been a long period where things still kind of sucked and there wasn't a lot of
00:57:13 ◼ ► Technological advancement which is what I would expect to have happened there and it feels authentic
00:57:24 ◼ ► the tremendous victory of both blowing up a second Death Star and killing the Emperor and Vader and
00:57:31 ◼ ► Leave leaving the entire, you know, which presumably the entire, you know leadership structure of the Empire was you know
00:58:04 ◼ ► So like it maybe like knock them knocked it down said that they were on even terms and it's been like a 30 year war of
00:58:15 ◼ ► Yeah, I could get that and maybe like not not necessarily that the Empire's got their back up against a wall but more that
00:58:22 ◼ ► They had to decentralize leadership or something or maybe somebody stepped in and there's a and lost so many resources that they're no longer
00:58:32 ◼ ► Advancing at the extreme pace that they were we last saw them right like when we last saw them
00:58:50 ◼ ► We saw in the Clone Wars to the Star Destroyers and TIE fighters, you know that we see, you know
00:58:58 ◼ ► armor design in 20 years but now in 30 years they've made very little progress at all and
00:59:13 ◼ ► Not really redesign. I would say it was more like a like a dot one like a like a point release
00:59:19 ◼ ► Like a 1.1 releases of the armor and there could have been like some kind of necessity there
00:59:27 ◼ ► I'm a little surprised that the Thai fighters look exactly the same though because I I always thought as a kid
00:59:32 ◼ ► based on return of the Jedi like when the Thai interceptors came out which were much more like
00:59:58 ◼ ► But who knows what the explanation maybe they're more like maybe I'm just thinking the the economics of video games where?
01:00:24 ◼ ► It just seemed to me that will just stop using the tie fighters. They they have no shields
01:00:30 ◼ ► But you're just sending people to their death with those things. Yeah, they well they went for a quantity over quality approach
01:00:42 ◼ ► Well, it's clearly the mark of a military that doesn't feel like it has much in the way of opposition
01:00:58 ◼ ► Yeah, because everybody was the Empire so we'll just replace you maybe even at the time
01:01:12 ◼ ► That when you see the x-wings they're flying really low like almost right right around a few feet above the wall
01:01:20 ◼ ► surface of some body of water and when we see the Falcon and the TIE fighters coming at it, it's right above the
01:01:29 ◼ ► So we've got a teaser for a movie called Star Wars that doesn't show a single star, right?
01:01:34 ◼ ► I don't think it did well, maybe there's at the end when the crew and the credit comes up
01:01:47 ◼ ► We don't see any you know star destroyers or whatever the Republic has. Well, I hope nothing happened to space
01:01:52 ◼ ► Pretty cool. What do you think about the idea that they didn't show any of the that the only face?
01:01:57 ◼ ► They show is the the new character the the black guy in the stormtrooper outfit. What's it? The actor's name?
01:02:10 ◼ ► Want to believe I sincerely want to believe that everything about this teaser was a well-thought-out decision
01:02:21 ◼ ► Yeah, yeah, that's right. I want to believe that everything we were shown we were shown for a reason
01:02:29 ◼ ► Well, no the the other face we see is the the girl riding on the oh, right, right there
01:03:31 ◼ ► Which I think is gonna be this is a familiar world, but we're gonna be meeting new people
01:03:34 ◼ ► We're going to be taking things beyond what you what you've seen before and then ending it on a note of
01:03:39 ◼ ► Literally on a note of here's what here's what we mean. We know you came in hoping to see
01:03:56 ◼ ► 97 97 I remember for something, you know when the trailer for that care teaser came out for that
01:04:10 ◼ ► It was like for you know for a generation kids, you know, people have only seen yeah Star Wars trilogy on on the
01:04:20 ◼ ► Blew up the TV set it like ends up the TV set was in outer space and an x-wing flew by and like blew it up
01:04:30 ◼ ► No, but like somebody at like, you know ILM did it right like it looked right it didn't well
01:04:35 ◼ ► I mean just conceptually just the idea of a tie an x-wing blowing up a TV. It just sounds dumb, right?
01:04:41 ◼ ► The the first pitch meeting it sounds like something that you would do like in the Terry Gilliam style from you know
01:04:47 ◼ ► Just be silly but it the giant foot squishes it yeah, it somehow worked because it was just like we're not gonna
01:04:52 ◼ ► Show you any of it yet. We're just gonna let you know you're gonna see it on a big-ass screen
01:04:59 ◼ ► Even for what it was we can say there's a lot that could be said about the special editions
01:05:06 ◼ ► The the idea that things were put in into the movie to make it better to enhance it for to make it feel more
01:05:21 ◼ ► The that you'd get like a really crisp clean print and they cleaned it up and the blacks would be blacker and the lines would
01:05:30 ◼ ► If that meant that we had to sit through a couple of extra do backs and the the Tatooine
01:05:43 ◼ ► You know that all it has to be exactly like what you saw in 1977 or it's you know, it doesn't count
01:05:54 ◼ ► If you get rid of that awful job a scene and you get rid of any time any time you digitally move Han Solo
01:06:00 ◼ ► Anytime Harrison Ford is on screen and they digitally alter anything take those out and put them back the way they were and the rest
01:06:11 ◼ ► Obsessives would even notice that you'd almost have to see it side by side to notice it like oh there was only one do back back
01:06:20 ◼ ► I forget what's even called the the monster the big animal thing on in most easily that the Jawa falls off of
01:06:28 ◼ ► Yeah, like even that was kind of okay like it didn't it didn't take me out of the movie
01:06:43 ◼ ► Yeah, I need to feel more alive and less like a matte painting. Yeah, and it is in hindsight, you know, the the
01:06:49 ◼ ► Lack of anything outside the windows in the original felt a little cheap. I don't know but yeah
01:06:55 ◼ ► Yeah, like they like it felt like they're there on a set right but then you know, I don't know
01:06:59 ◼ ► I still think I think even the jaw while falling off though anything that's like a gag is too much
01:07:10 ◼ ► Is that it let us know that George Lucas had lost his mind and it I think it set expectations for the new trilogy
01:07:16 ◼ ► Accordingly, do you really think it did because I've I think I know still managed to be disappointed
01:07:25 ◼ ► I think there would've been people jumping on buildings if it if it had come out it dropped out of the blue without the special
01:07:35 ◼ ► Feel like there was a disturbance in the force then you're not hooked up, right? I remember when Phantom Menace came out opening day
01:07:46 ◼ ► Me and my friends and everybody else that I could hear talking outside the theater. Everybody was really excited. Everybody enjoyed it
01:07:52 ◼ ► Yeah, I did too. It weren't bad there there. You know, I've said this before they're not terrible. They're only they're only
01:07:59 ◼ ► Significantly worse compared to the original trilogy and ice I see lots and lots of of action movies
01:08:05 ◼ ► you know the type of movies where there are things like laser guns and chase scenes and and
01:08:09 ◼ ► You know superhero powers and stuff like that and the the the prequel trilogy is way better than almost all of them
01:08:16 ◼ ► That's way better than typical stuff that I see, you know, it's maybe better than typical
01:08:21 ◼ ► I was gonna say that it wasn't that Phantom Menace was a good movie or even necessarily a passable movie
01:08:34 ◼ ► They could not emotionally handle the movie they actually saw and so they had to walk out feeling good about it
01:08:48 ◼ ► We still don't quite feel clean that it starts to dawn on us that that was a really terrible thing that it just happened now
01:08:58 ◼ ► But they're the parts that were that were worst were so obviously bad right away like what you don't think it's a bad movie
01:09:08 ◼ ► It's supposed to be a kids movie and it all centers around trade negotiations, but they don't spend too much time
01:09:16 ◼ ► Why are they going on on this and I still don't really know what happened in that movie
01:09:19 ◼ ► Yeah, and I still yeah, and I also think that it's suffered, you know from some fundamental
01:09:25 ◼ ► Big-picture problems like establishing which sides of good guys which sides the bad guys, you know, they like that
01:09:51 ◼ ► And it's all based on the stupid cockamamie idea that the you know that the Emperor was more or less
01:09:55 ◼ ► You know trumped up the whole war on false charges and there was no good guys or bad guys
01:10:04 ◼ ► like if you're gonna make a popcorn movie you want to have crisply clearly defined good guys bad guys not any kind of
01:10:10 ◼ ► Ambiguity in that in that area. You should know who's who right and it's you know, who's fighting with him?
01:10:16 ◼ ► What why are they fighting the droids you know and every time we meet somebody interesting they almost immediately die
01:10:22 ◼ ► Seriously Darth Maul we get to meet that guy we're excited and then he gets cut in half I
01:10:29 ◼ ► Kind of I had a feeling that he was gonna go down because he don't he didn't talk enough the fact that we don't
01:10:42 ◼ ► And then he he's barely in the movie and when he's in the movie. He's awesome, and then he dies yeah
01:10:45 ◼ ► The best good guy in the movie is Qui-Gon too. Because Obi-Wan had such a limited part in the movie.
01:10:50 ◼ ► Yeah, like our hero, the only thing that we can even remotely attach to emotionally, he dies.
01:11:02 ◼ ► instantly, the first, you know, and I saw it on opening day two, was the whole opening the can of worms with this midichlorian nonsense.
01:11:18 ◼ ► you know like due to some cut the way that the contracts were written for the movies that 20th Century Fox held the rights to
01:11:29 ◼ ► He didn't have the legal ability to do it. And so 20th Century Fox went ahead and made this
01:11:41 ◼ ► They handed it to a bunch of people who had no idea what it who didn't really understand what made the original
01:11:49 ◼ ► So they've got a drop like the Emperor from a helicopter and I can't call anything specter, right?
01:12:00 ◼ ► It felt like you're seeing a two-hour snippet of something that could have been 80 hours and they never they just told you your father's
01:12:06 ◼ ► Fought in the Clone Wars never told you what it was just sounds like a cool name for a science fiction war, right?
01:12:10 ◼ ► Your father fought in the Clone Wars. They don't even there's no explanation for it. That's all they say and
01:12:15 ◼ ► That's the best explanation. It just sounds like it fills out the world. It makes the world seem so much bigger
01:12:24 ◼ ► Right, and then the new one is just it, you know filling in it's just explaining all the mysteries from the first trilogy and
01:12:36 ◼ ► Like if it had been done successfully, you know in the way that people wanted a prequel trilogy
01:12:42 ◼ ► Like when people heard that the new Star Wars trilogy was gonna be a prequel rather than a sequel and it was gonna go back
01:12:58 ◼ ► The only way the prequel trilogy would have worked was if the prequel trilogy had itself left
01:13:09 ◼ ► See what happened then right there should have been just as many mysteries about what had led up to the prequel trilogy
01:13:18 ◼ ► Yeah right now in in my mind the chronology of the Star Wars universe is all the stuff that happened in the original trilogy
01:13:25 ◼ ► And then all the stuff that happened in the prequel trilogy and before that was like I don't know 10,000 years ago
01:13:34 ◼ ► I don't really care right and instead we got like an explanation for the force that makes it sound as though if you gave a
01:13:43 ◼ ► Now now there's a thing you could physically take away from somebody right they have like a device that you could like stick the
01:13:58 ◼ ► Well, it seems like the only reason to do that as a writer, the only reason to do that is to explain how they were able to...
01:14:14 ◼ ► I'm just saying that's got to be... that's the only thing I could think of that Lucas said, "Okay, well, I got to solve this problem.
01:14:20 ◼ ► Well, there's a pretty ham-fisted way and it's totally not cinematic a cinematic would have way would have been to do something
01:14:26 ◼ ► That was physical like make him like a test of how many you know how heavy a thing he could levitate or something like that
01:14:38 ◼ ► When he has to lift up the x-finger when he goes into the cave and he fights Vader who turns out to be him
01:14:47 ◼ ► That would be the way to handle that's how they did it with Luke. It was good enough for Luke
01:15:14 ◼ ► Evie and spell it out and get a full detail on all the stuff that's new but it's a redesigned interface
01:15:45 ◼ ► And part of the thing that makes the new Squarespace 7 interface so much better than what came
01:15:49 ◼ ► before and it really has always been a good interface for a while but it's all wizzy wig.
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01:19:50 ◼ ► Think it makes total sense for them because I think that they're much more targeted like advert
01:19:54 ◼ ► I've seen Squarespace ads on TV. They have TV ads. I mean there they definitely have a huge ad budget
01:20:05 ◼ ► Podcasts are so much more likely to be the sort of people who are going to build a website of any kind
01:20:16 ◼ ► You know far less money than you would pay to get an ad in you know, the New Yorker or something like that
01:20:34 ◼ ► I mean, maybe I'm just not paying enough attention, but I had no idea this was coming this this came out of no
01:20:38 ◼ ► Yeah, see I knew that I've tried to stay as spoiler-free as I could but I knew that there was a new one coming
01:20:49 ◼ ► It wasn't like a never say never again thing where he said I'm never gonna do another one
01:20:53 ◼ ► But he was pretty adamant that he only wanted to direct one, you know, because he does so many other things
01:20:58 ◼ ► You know and he you know, not just other movies, but he you know does theater and stuff like that
01:21:09 ◼ ► they would have been further ahead already if they hadn't been waiting for Mendez because he had a
01:21:14 ◼ ► Maybe that's why I'd only take a year. He had a play in London that he was directing and you know and
01:21:26 ◼ ► It's like the opposite of a movie like as soon as you get a scene right in a movie you move on whereas in a play
01:21:40 ◼ ► Success that it you know, it was almost inevitable that they would get him to come back
01:21:48 ◼ ► He couldn't refuse and he brought back like the same writing team and the same we got the same production team
01:22:00 ◼ ► Header of the show that guy didn't do and I'm not gonna do a whole two-hour thing on Skyfall
01:22:26 ◼ ► It has a good feel the ends, you know, the just the it's just such a great cast, you know
01:22:48 ◼ ► At least that you know, but the Bond movies have varied so much over the 50 years of the course
01:22:53 ◼ ► But that would it's so clearly made by people who love the things about Bond that I love about Bond
01:23:02 ◼ ► Agree, yeah, you know it makes here's that here's an example that it makes no logical sense
01:23:08 ◼ ► But I like it is one of the things that I thought was perfect in movie is the way that when bond wants to
01:23:29 ◼ ► this is certainly inconspicuous and it also makes no sense in the sense that it's a reboot of
01:23:39 ◼ ► Where did that car even come from whatever the vague rules of continuity were before and and then you know
01:24:14 ◼ ► That never would have happened to the other fellow. Oh, yeah that never happened to the yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's just it's just part
01:24:25 ◼ ► Her Majesty's Secret Service is clearly the most divisive of all the Bond movies in my opinion because it's either somebody reason people either hate
01:24:36 ◼ ► I generally agree with in large measures who swear up and down that it's the best Bond movie
01:24:49 ◼ ► He's such a smart. Oh, yes, you can just google it. You can find lots of people who will make the argument
01:25:02 ◼ ► He reviewed he wrote like a massive thing almost like a like a booklet almost like a booklet length thing where he reviewed every single
01:25:13 ◼ ► And I don't know if he said it was his very favorite, but he at least said it was if not, it was very close
01:25:40 ◼ ► Bobsled like overturns or whatever and bonds at the bottom and what he doesn't go up there double-check that he just assumes that he's dead
01:25:48 ◼ ► It doesn't make any sense. I felt like I have to serve it. I feel like he deserved to have his wife killed by
01:25:54 ◼ ► Like there was no sorry there was no cockamamie, you know way that he disappeared off a cliff and maybe he had a you know
01:26:03 ◼ ► Parachute or something or some secret escape or something like that. He just wanted a rookie move. Yeah, just didn't go and check
01:26:19 ◼ ► Think in the same way that I want to believe that JJ Abrams picked every shot in the Star Wars teaser for a reason I
01:26:40 ◼ ► But like they're trying to say in the same way that at the end of Skyfall you hear money penny
01:26:58 ◼ ► We're in this place where the Bond movies the country of the Bond movies is Luke. Yeah, it looks like yeah, I even he even
01:27:26 ◼ ► Whereas in the in the old Bond movies it always and and in the novels both in the movies and the novels
01:27:34 ◼ ► It there's an idea that M and M has been there forever, you know that he's been there for a lot
01:27:42 ◼ ► He's been in charge of mi6 for a long time, right? It's a kind of a paternal relationship. Yeah, yes exactly
01:27:47 ◼ ► It's in fact, it's in the novels at least I think it even is it even says so explicitly that it's like a paternal
01:27:54 ◼ ► Relationship and you can kind of see it in the movies. Yeah with the like the thing with the gun the
01:28:04 ◼ ► Yeah, the one that in the original Quartermaster comes in and says it's it would be good for a lady
01:28:14 ◼ ► I mean, that's gonna hit me for not knowing this, but yeah, the question of he was supposed
01:28:22 ◼ ► I think he carried a Beretta and the Quartermaster and M insisted that he switch to the Walter
01:28:52 ◼ ► Boot major booth right boot, right? The backstory on that is that there was a guy who was like a weapons expert who?
01:29:01 ◼ ► Who wrote to Ian Fleming after one of the novels and he said look I love these novels. I'm a big fan
01:29:20 ◼ ► You know for this and for the serious business that he gets into he ought to carry, you know, like something something else
01:29:40 ◼ ► Fleming the man who would be bond, you know, I I have it in my notes here to talk to you about that. I I
01:29:48 ◼ ► This was my even a year ago where me and you and Brent were somehow like in a back channel
01:30:04 ◼ ► well Brent was he'd watched the first episode and recommended that we watch it but said it was terrible hmm and
01:30:14 ◼ ► I put it on my I put on my list of things to watch and then it was like I hit one of those like
01:31:29 ◼ ► And what the show felt like to me was not so much like a biopic about Fleming as it was kind of
01:31:48 ◼ ► So it feels to me like this is the template for bond by the way, I think you just grew bird
01:32:01 ◼ ► Biopic would be like it was like a disease over the eye or something. Oh, let's let's find this out biopic
01:32:07 ◼ ► I like that you call it a group break, right? I'm gonna alright. I'm gonna let's look this up
01:32:22 ◼ ► and there's like three or four different systems of diacritical marks to show you how to like
01:32:26 ◼ ► Pronounce a word and where the emphasis goes. I don't I don't understand any of them once like all those Schwoz and everything starts showing
01:32:33 ◼ ► Well, this is what the internet is for. Yeah, it'll uh, you can just listen a little a little audio clip. Here's one
01:32:40 ◼ ► Bio pic. Oh, you're right. Yeah, it's a yeah, it's a bio and a picture. So it's a bio pic
01:32:54 ◼ ► I just think it's industry lingo, you know, yeah. Yeah, they're like a chick flick. I've learned something today biopic
01:33:09 ◼ ► Whenever I hear somebody pronounce a word differently than I have pronounced it my entire life
01:33:20 ◼ ► It's like with the Sith thing like you get you mispronounce enough words that you've read visually
01:33:25 ◼ ► But never pronounced enough and you're almost always wrong you start to assume that if I pronounce it differently, I'm wrong
01:33:31 ◼ ► Wait, did you miss found Seth? No, but in the way that like you pointed out that maybe if you know
01:33:39 ◼ ► Anything down information if you killed you if you're a Sith apprentice and you just killed your master
01:33:46 ◼ ► To become the master. Maybe you don't take an apprentice if you realize that you're completing like a
01:33:51 ◼ ► Thousand generation chain of that happening, you know over and over again every time and if you're the new guy 30 years later
01:34:00 ◼ ► Did you see the thing where the the poster that they unveil and there's a cool little movie they have to where it just shows
01:34:16 ◼ ► It almost reminds me of the did you see you saw it at Singleton - but do you see Dave Addy's post? Yeah on
01:34:22 ◼ ► The opening credits of alien. Yeah, it's sort of that same sort of effect where the word specter is revealed piece by piece in the letters
01:34:44 ◼ ► Did you just mention is that the logo looks like the old spectrum of the broken glass underneath? Yeah
01:34:58 ◼ ► The Hydra logo from the Marvel Universe and the specter logo shares some visuals limited similarities, right?
01:35:08 ◼ ► Organization that you know, you can't you know, kill one technical and still got other seven ones around the world or whatever
01:35:23 ◼ ► Yeah, I mean there's there's there's lots of good all the news and casting is good news
01:35:34 ◼ ► It's funny. It's and it seems like they've really in and there's what's his name the guy from Guardians of the Galaxy
01:35:39 ◼ ► David Bautista, yeah is mr. Hinks, which is so obviously it's so old-school Bond henchmen
01:35:48 ◼ ► I mean, you know look at the guy. Yeah. Yeah gotta be like a criminal henchman with the name. Mr
01:36:04 ◼ ► It's got a little bit of camp in it. Yes, that's that's kind of what made bond fun then. Will it work now?
01:36:10 ◼ ► Yeah, I don't know. So the the speculation has been there have been rumors and again, I've tried to avoid them
01:36:17 ◼ ► But you know, I think everybody now that they're calling the movie specter. It's not spoiling anything that there were rumors that Kristoff Waltz
01:36:23 ◼ ► Was gonna play Blofeld for a while. You're saying you didn't see those rumors the the name that what was the name?
01:36:30 ◼ ► They gave him for him in their announcement. They've saying he's playing a character named Oberhauser
01:36:38 ◼ ► I googled it because I wanted to find out what it meant in German because I thought maybe that was a hint at something because
01:36:48 ◼ ► It's the name of this like Nazi general who has tried for war crimes after World War two
01:36:58 ◼ ► That it can't possibly be a real character's name that has to be masking something. Yeah, I think he's blow fell
01:37:13 ◼ ► Specter and then blow felled is revealed in the next movie in the same way that you got hints of specter or maybe even
01:37:23 ◼ ► No, you don't really get to see blowfeld until two or three movies in four movies before yeah four movies in or five five
01:37:34 ◼ ► No, and blowfeld was a guy and a cat you saw him from behind a chair and he had the cat
01:37:39 ◼ ► But you never saw his face and then in Russia with love you saw him in that secret meeting room where he was behind
01:37:48 ◼ ► So you still couldn't see his face and he'd like that was where he unveiled that was where they unveiled the the gag
01:37:56 ◼ ► Boardroom table and he could hit right right to kill a guy and then he wasn't in Goldfinger
01:38:04 ◼ ► he wasn't in Goldfinger Goldfinger and Goldfinger had nothing to do with the specter and then in
01:38:26 ◼ ► The the guy with the eyepatch was the the head operative of the mission. Oh, I think maybe we saw him
01:38:42 ◼ ► Largo is the only guy and then the next movie is you only live twice and that's where we finally see him and he's played by
01:38:51 ◼ ► The the the and it's the one that everybody remembers it's the guy the bald guy with the scarred face
01:38:57 ◼ ► Right in the in the crazy suit right the like the you know the doctor evil the doctor evil look
01:39:03 ◼ ► I want to say we saw him and we saw a glimpse of him in two movies prior mostly because
01:39:09 ◼ ► The the three times that we see him the first two hints and then the time when we actually see him
01:39:14 ◼ ► There's like three different looks the clearly three different actors. It's always different actors. Yeah, and in fact it was part of the way that they
01:39:43 ◼ ► Strang wise or maybe it was the guy who played the guy who'd played him in in from Russia with love was
01:39:52 ◼ ► The guy who played strang wise the strang ways the guy who's very was yeah the guy who in in Jamaica in
01:40:09 ◼ ► Tried to sneak in and bond killed him while he was playing member bond was playing solitaire to wait for him to come back
01:40:27 ◼ ► You only live twice the one where he goes to Japan and before it gets all crazy racist and he dawned the yellowface makeup
01:40:40 ◼ ► wearing a kimono and it's like he's been stationed there. He's a British guy who's been stationed there for 30 years and
01:41:01 ◼ ► You know, it just accepts it and doesn't bother correcting him and then he gets stabbed by like a ninja assassin and bond has to go
01:41:21 ◼ ► Really? Yeah, and he doesn't even look different. It wasn't even like they gave him different makeup or a different hairstyle. That's right
01:41:27 ◼ ► That's right. So a lot of this blurs together for me because I watch all of the Bond movies over the course of a month
01:41:35 ◼ ► You would never ever have like a like a recasting. It's almost like, you know, like they were they were casting out of like
01:41:42 ◼ ► You know like Saturday Night Live like where you have like a an ensemble cast and you just have to keep reusing actors
01:41:59 ◼ ► The the previous companion was always in that same episode in fact as a totally different character
01:42:14 ◼ ► I don't know people and I think cuz nobody got to rewatch movies on home video that everybody just assumed that they were
01:42:24 ◼ ► I don't know, but it's crazy that just two movies apart the same guy played a British agent and blow felt
01:42:41 ◼ ► You got to bring back blow felt and if you're gonna have blow felt who I mean, he's as good an actor as anybody
01:42:51 ◼ ► They try to do the thing where they they want to keep you guessing as to who the who the guy was who committed the
01:42:57 ◼ ► Murder, but like you can just say look, but this is the character actor that I've seen in other TV shows clearly. That's the murderer
01:43:03 ◼ ► Right you look at this a big-budget big production like this. You don't bring in Kristoff Waltz to just play some dude
01:43:10 ◼ ► That's it. I look at it this way if blow felt is in the movie. It's got to be Kristoff Waltz and
01:43:18 ◼ ► If blow felts not in the movie then when because how many more does Daniel Craig have in him, right?
01:43:36 ◼ ► Finally have you know like in the old Bond movies finally have a movie where Bond doesn't get that guy at the end
01:43:43 ◼ ► You know blow fell to ski. I'm expecting blow felled. Whatever his crazy scheme is in this movie will escape at the end
01:43:50 ◼ ► You know, whatever hard lessons bond has learned in casino Royale quantum solace and Skyfall
01:44:08 ◼ ► That wasn't a failure on the level of the guy who was trying to destroy the world kind of got away with blowing up a chunk
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01:50:23 ◼ ► So what else would specter here's the thing I was thinking about with specter and and net one it's
01:50:30 ◼ ► That this was just resolved legally last year this whole backstory and those of you have been listening listen to that whole bond
01:50:48 ◼ ► Ian Fleming had collaborated with before the bond thing even really got big. I don't think
01:50:54 ◼ ► Yeah, they were there doing it wasn't it supposed to be like a TV movie. Yeah, and they came up with
01:50:59 ◼ ► Collaboratively, I think there was even a third collaborator though who who'd never you know
01:51:10 ◼ ► Just a bit as Ian Fleming and Kevin McClory came up with the premise. That was basically Thunderball. What if a
01:51:22 ◼ ► Compromise a pilot who would be flying a test flight with a nuclear-armed fighter plane and
01:51:33 ◼ ► Drop the bomb not you know ignited but just drop it in the ocean somewhere where they could
01:51:49 ◼ ► One of the things about that thunderbolt plot is in the grand scheme of the whole world is at risk
01:52:01 ◼ ► that you know that there are pilots who are flying planes that have nuclear-armed weapons and
01:52:08 ◼ ► Then at that point you've got one guy who you know, if you could compromise that one guy maybe you know
01:52:18 ◼ ► I guess whatever the original what TV movie that was supposed to be somehow it fell through
01:52:22 ◼ ► but Ian Fleming thought well that was a hell of a good story and he went ahead and just used it for the
01:52:30 ◼ ► I mean I can hardly I mean I can see the the contention there, but yeah, I guess I you know
01:52:40 ◼ ► I mean like only really maybe maybe only in Fleming and and and McClory really know how much of it
01:53:00 ◼ ► The the people who make the movies even they were aware of it and they even you know were wary of making
01:53:10 ◼ ► But they had lawyer enough lawyers who said now that's is all gonna go away this McClory's a crock, you know a crackpot
01:53:22 ◼ ► It was like a you know, like the the fable of Solomon where you know, two women come in saying this is our baby
01:53:38 ◼ ► It was like a Solomonic decision with this where they both had the rights to Thunderbolt
01:53:44 ◼ ► Ian Fleming and thus eon productions who had the rights to Ian Fleming's James Bond and Kevin Maclaurie
01:53:50 ◼ ► so Kevin McClory had the legal rights to make a movie based on the novel thunderball and
01:53:56 ◼ ► That's you know, and he spent like decades trying to get it made and that's what eventually became never say never again
01:54:02 ◼ ► That's why I never say never again. The plot is so similar to thunderball. It's a weird it's a weird
01:54:11 ◼ ► It is weird. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird that you know, I you know, it's like all those fables, you know
01:54:19 ◼ ► They're painted the the the the lying woman was was like, you know painted in broad strokes. She was like the
01:54:29 ◼ ► Yeah, and to say like if she had a fleet of TIE fighters, she wouldn't to put shields on
01:54:41 ◼ ► Even the ability to use the name James Bond right whatever you'd say about his claim to the story
01:54:46 ◼ ► Okay, great. You can you can use the same story. Just use a different name for the character
01:54:50 ◼ ► Yeah, I've linked to this before I put it in the show notes again. I hope it's still there on YouTube
01:55:06 ◼ ► But you talked about how great it would be if they redid the whole movie like that, right?
01:56:25 ◼ ► Right, right because this was that the whole point of that movie was this is how he becomes bond, right?
01:56:50 ◼ ► similar to like Batman Begins and that was at the time and movies when Batman Begins and
01:56:54 ◼ ► Like rebooting a thing was the thing to do like give us some more origin stories, please
01:56:59 ◼ ► Yeah, it was a casino Riles like the greatest origin story ever. I think I think I'd agree with that
01:57:09 ◼ ► There's I don't think I'm giving away any secrets by saying that Vesper land my favorite bond girl
01:57:13 ◼ ► And I think that is such such a defining moment in bonds life if you want to imagine that it's it's one guy
01:57:44 ◼ ► And had the mindset and was on the type of person who would be on a career path to become a double-o in mi6
01:57:51 ◼ ► It's you know, what is it? Like? What would that what would that character be? Like when he's like one cut below becoming a double-o
01:57:59 ◼ ► You know and what would he be like when he first gets granted the double-o status and isn't really comfortable at that level
01:58:09 ◼ ► Isn't quite prepared for it, you know, but still maybe a little a little insufferably arrogant. Yeah
01:58:16 ◼ ► He knows he's on the cusp, but he's not he's not seasoned enough to be comfortable in it yet
01:58:21 ◼ ► Yeah, and we've that scene on the train with him and Vesper going back and forth trading shots and he loses that argument
01:58:28 ◼ ► Yeah, if anybody who doesn't anybody who doesn't hold that that's one of the best scenes in an action movie in
01:58:40 ◼ ► It's like we're just not gonna be able to have a we're not gonna agree on anything when it comes to cinema
01:58:45 ◼ ► It's not even actually that's one of my favorite scenes in a movie. Yeah, it's just so good
01:59:03 ◼ ► It's just notoriously thin, you know, and it's more or less just blah blah blah. Let's go to bed
01:59:17 ◼ ► You can see why both of them like each other and you can see why both of them dislike each other and you can see
01:59:26 ◼ ► Yeah, when she asks, how's the lamb and he says skewer? Yeah sympathizes. He says it with a smile
01:59:31 ◼ ► Like he's kind of into this he's into this lady. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely one of the best scenes
01:59:36 ◼ ► I it makes it to otherwise it's a great movie anyway, but it's it's really the scene that like puts it over the top
01:59:57 ◼ ► No is is you know, one of the agents of specter and from Russia with love is a specter movie
02:00:08 ◼ ► crackpot guy goldfinger and his plan and then in the fourth and fifth ones they went back to
02:00:16 ◼ ► So you're saying that with Casino Royale you had this there was this shadowy organization that I believe
02:00:26 ◼ ► But I believe in Casino Royale there was never given a name to it, but there was the guy mr. White
02:00:33 ◼ ► The great scene at the end of the movie when this guy mr. White who had been like behind all this
02:00:41 ◼ ► And who saved James Bond's life by coming in and killing La Shifra and letting Bond go when he was being tortured
02:00:48 ◼ ► Lefler, yeah, how would you pronounce it? I think it's Le Chiffre Le Chiffre. Yeah, I mean
02:01:12 ◼ ► And then he's you know, one of the neat things about quantum of solace, which it opposite of Skyfall
02:01:24 ◼ ► Like if I redid I bet of all the the the commentaries I did with Dan on the original series
02:01:33 ◼ ► Which I at the time did not like because of a bunch of plot holes and some weak writing
02:01:41 ◼ ► And I I even like I like the idea that it starts like an hour after Casino Royale. Yeah, it's like the next day
02:01:51 ◼ ► White in the trunk of his car, but you don't even know that until he opens the trunk of his car
02:02:02 ◼ ► Assuming that this was a whole new story starting over was what ruined the movie for the people who didn't like it
02:02:10 ◼ ► I think that's why I like it more and more I do think so that it's the fact that it continues from it
02:02:14 ◼ ► Yeah, take a day take an afternoon and watch them back to back quantum of solace is a much better movie than you probably so
02:02:21 ◼ ► I didn't know this I was under the impression that the criminal organization and you know and that they had like the
02:02:32 ◼ ► You know and he he betrays them and you know almost kills them and bond and he's the guy who rescues. Mr. White from captivity
02:02:39 ◼ ► That that organization in quantum of solace it ends up that they call the organization quantum at some point and if you google and you
02:02:51 ◼ ► Organization James Bond you'll see that there's people who call that organization quantum and that's how I read it
02:03:12 ◼ ► Explanation behind the scenes was that dates they'd hadn't settled this lawsuit with the clever Kevin McClory mistake
02:03:28 ◼ ► some amount of money they gave to Kevin McClory's estate because I guess McClory died a few years ago and
02:03:40 ◼ ► That seems like the thing that could only happen after McClory dies and after Albert Broccoli dies
02:03:55 ◼ ► Because that was one of the side effects even though McClory only had the rights to redo as in terms of Ian Fleming's material
02:04:06 ◼ ► Couldn't use specter anymore and they did make a few more movies, you know after thunderball, but at some point after
02:04:21 ◼ ► Explicitly told they can't make if they use specter then McClure you would get the rights to that movie, too
02:04:26 ◼ ► You know that if they put him in, you know, the spy love right that then then McClure, you know
02:04:32 ◼ ► somehow specter was somehow part of what you got with thunderball and so last year they finally just made it all go away and
02:04:39 ◼ ► Now they own the rights to it. So now they can call it specter. So I feel like they should
02:04:48 ◼ ► Somehow blur the lines of that what was called quantum and just say that that's you know specter
02:04:57 ◼ ► It could be that that was the precursor organization would have been don't even really need to give us a whole bunch of backstory
02:05:08 ◼ ► Yeah, like the call it call it a give us an allusion to project quantum, and that's good enough. Yeah
02:05:33 ◼ ► We know what you're doing. You're just trying to get to the word specter. Just if you want to call it specter
02:05:38 ◼ ► Just call it specter. Yeah, cool name. Yeah, because we all agree. It's a cool man. Yeah
02:05:42 ◼ ► There's no reason to back run him it and and the one that Fleming came up with was pretty bad
02:05:49 ◼ ► Yeah, and they totally embraced that with the there in one of the I don't know if it was an Iron Man movie
02:06:01 ◼ ► You know said him from the whatever a homeland blah blah blah blah blah and strategic homeland intelligence
02:06:07 ◼ ► Something in logistics division. I can't believe I remembered that much of it. All right
02:06:11 ◼ ► Yeah, and he's like somebody says that's a mouthful and he says yeah, we're working on it. Yeah
02:06:17 ◼ ► That's actually but if you think about it, it's actually I remember thinking about it when it came out
02:06:25 ◼ ► Like there aren't any like real clunker words in there like there are in the specter actor
02:06:30 ◼ ► I wonder how many people they had working on that. I don't know if they came up with one guy. He was really good at
02:06:38 ◼ ► That's just such a fun word. Where is the air? It's the special executive for counterintelligence
02:06:48 ◼ ► So you have to use the S and the P from special right and I mean if you're gonna if you're gonna make a special
02:06:53 ◼ ► Case for any word it should be the word special and the way Fleming spelled it if counterintelligence was hyphenated
02:07:05 ◼ ► Sometimes you get two words only have one letter and I think revenge really sticks out as sort of
02:07:11 ◼ ► You know that if you weren't back running it, why would you put revenge in as the organization, you know counterintelligence? Okay terrorism, definitely
02:07:21 ◼ ► Extortion definitely right as opposed to you know, like a religious terrorist group that is just after for the the you know
02:07:40 ◼ ► Like it's like look guys we can do all these things but only the people who have wronged us
02:07:46 ◼ ► implies that you're gonna have they're gonna build up a list of enemies along the way that they have to get revenge against as opposed to
02:07:56 ◼ ► That there is nobody that you need to seek revenge against because you're never gonna get wronged
02:08:01 ◼ ► Oh, I thought it was that they were it was all in the name of revenge against people for things that had already happened
02:08:14 ◼ ► There's the guy that like gave him a swirly in second grade right the girl who wouldn't go to the prom with him
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02:13:33 ◼ ► I didn't really look like it seemed like poor art direction, but he goes up to the bartender and just says
02:13:38 ◼ ► Three measures of Gordon's one measure. Ah, yes half a measure of Kina Lillie and the bartender hands him a bottle of beer
02:13:58 ◼ ► You know if you're not a Bond fan. It doesn't make it. That's that that whole interaction makes no sense
02:14:07 ◼ ► I think it still makes sense it means that here's a guy's coming in wanting a hoity-twitty kind of drink
02:14:21 ◼ ► I was gonna say in his life, which may have also been true. Yeah, it's very watching it at no point
02:15:50 ◼ ► Just comes up with clever. His whole job is to come up with clever ideas to screw the Germans
02:16:05 ◼ ► It sets it up that his the whole the whole reason he wrote the bond series was to have a guy like him
02:16:14 ◼ ► Exploring those fantasies getting to live out those fantasies through your character. Yeah, I forget her name, but there's like a
02:16:28 ◼ ► Uncannily like the the original money penny in the movies which must have been that they had to be intentional
02:16:42 ◼ ► I haven't looked it up yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if that part of it for example is just purely fiction. Yeah
02:16:48 ◼ ► But it's so tough to tell because so much of that era of his life is just him telling those stories
02:16:53 ◼ ► My bottom line on Fleming is for anybody if you love Bond and you like the you like Bond you should watch it
02:17:01 ◼ ► Especially while it's free on Netflix and if you're not if you're like kind of like and on Bond it's I would say skip it
02:17:06 ◼ ► What was the other Oh everything or nothing the documentary? Yeah, that was disappointing too. I thought really
02:17:12 ◼ ► Well, I liked it. But again, I wouldn't recommend it for anybody who wasn't a big fan. I
02:17:19 ◼ ► Every or nearly every Bond movie you'd probably like Fleming and you'd probably like everything or nothing
02:17:30 ◼ ► I actually I think top of my head. I think I actually really liked everything or nothing. I enjoyed it
02:17:37 ◼ ► To hear Lazenby get to talk about in hindsight the way he acted and his role in the bond universe
02:17:46 ◼ ► Yeah, I totally take it back now that I think about it cuz that's the one I was misremembering
02:18:12 ◼ ► He doesn't really remember the differences between the movies. They're all more or less the same
02:18:16 ◼ ► He well, not that he doesn't remember the differences, but that he can't he doesn't remember which one was which right, right?
02:18:20 ◼ ► Yeah, that's what I mean that there's like well, they all they're all kind of blurred together like he remembers
02:18:33 ◼ ► Because that that era I have the same problem. I remember golden I very very clearly and everything after that for him
02:18:39 ◼ ► I don't remember which I don't even remember that was there was he in three of them or four of them
02:18:59 ◼ ► I'll go as high as four you might be right. So there was golden eye in 95 tomorrow never dies in 97
02:19:17 ◼ ► Terry Hatcher as like an old girlfriend who's now back in his life because she was dating the Rupert Murdoch then there's the world is not
02:19:28 ◼ ► Oh, that's right. There were four Halle Berry, right? I think that was Halle Berry and I think that was also the
02:19:44 ◼ ► But yeah, but you know what and it's funny you want to talk about you know, is specter a good title at least
02:19:50 ◼ ► You know like those those those other titles are so empty tomorrow never dies. The world is not enough die another day
02:19:57 ◼ ► They sound like Bond movies, but they sound like what they are like Bond movies that are indistinguishable from one another
02:20:19 ◼ ► I guess the title means nothing it refer to anything that happened the same thing with the world is not enough
02:20:24 ◼ ► I don't know like if you told me the world is not enough is the one with the Rupert Murdoch guy
02:20:28 ◼ ► I would say that makes sense because it's like he wanted to take over the world or something. I don't know but it's not
02:20:36 ◼ ► Dr. No was about a crazy German guy who wants to steal all the gold in Fort Knox. I would be like no
02:21:17 ◼ ► Goldfinger that that meant something to the plot right diamonds are for them meant some moonraker that
02:21:22 ◼ ► Definitely meant something to the plot say what you will about moonraker that title meant something right but tomorrow never dies
02:21:27 ◼ ► Same as skyfall skyfall, you know, and it breaks a pattern where it's not named after like the bad guy or the McGuffin
02:21:34 ◼ ► But it's about the character, you know, you know, you'll never like 30 40 years from now
02:21:43 ◼ ► Quantum of solace quantum of solace fails that test the song test now the title test and the and and the song test it is
02:21:55 ◼ ► Maybe it was a good song or is that the it was Chris Cornell Chris Cornell, but not not full-on sound garden
02:22:03 ◼ ► I would say it passes the song test but Skyfall that that song like that still stands you still hear that on the radio
02:22:09 ◼ ► Yeah steer here like in the when you're out shopping or something. You'll hear that on the PA like that's still a good song
02:22:19 ◼ ► And so I would tell I would hold hardly recommend the world or know what's the documentary?
02:22:24 ◼ ► Everything or nothing. Yeah, because that's that's where we learned what what eon productions stood for an eon everything or nothing, right?
02:22:35 ◼ ► I didn't know that and it's because I just knew it always confused me that it didn't seem like it had any kind of
02:22:56 ◼ ► Angry that that they're not able to have their voices heard when they're when we're trying to struggle to remember these things
02:23:03 ◼ ► We need a life. We need the live audience. I'm sure people are yelling at their phones right now. It's Saltzman. Yeah
02:23:18 ◼ ► So you've got a new thing that you've been doing for a couple weeks couple months better at the better elevation
02:23:47 ◼ ► But there's no like this led to that kind of a causal relationship. So now you're doing a show on YouTube
02:23:54 ◼ ► Do you consider yourself a youtuber? I guess just today I signed up for a Vimeo Pro account
02:24:12 ◼ ► They would give you a $200 gift card to B&H, which is a like a photography electronic store
02:24:17 ◼ ► Here in New York, and I need to buy some more equipment. So this was like well, I'm gonna spend that money
02:24:25 ◼ ► Rolling my eyes thinking about our sponsors this we don't really have anybody who sells gadgets even in the rotation of sponsors
02:24:35 ◼ ► They have amazing prices a major amazing service and this crazy like pneumatic tube system for sending the things down to
02:24:48 ◼ ► Yeah, I've never been there in person, but I've heard that it's cool. It's pretty amazing
02:25:02 ◼ ► like there must have been a chocolate factory back there where Willy Wonka and the Oompa Loompas were sending money through tubes and
02:25:11 ◼ ► And that's it's kind of like being in the chocolate factory watching the tubes go over your head
02:25:18 ◼ ► If you want like an obscure lens for like a Canon or Nikon or something like that man B&H has everything
02:25:23 ◼ ► But anyway you bet you're doing you're doing this how many episodes you up to now five six six
02:25:46 ◼ ► But it's the complaint about podcasts like the talk show that it's unstructured and goes on
02:25:56 ◼ ► Monologuing yeah and a couple weeks ago. I did an episode about podcasting about what I thought the problem with podcasting is and
02:26:10 ◼ ► You know, it's this show but it sort of seems like there's the talk show and then there's a bunch of shows that kind of
02:26:26 ◼ ► I've never done a podcast about design like even unprofessional was very specifically not talking about work
02:26:31 ◼ ► Yeah, that was the whole premise of unprofessional was that it was here's somebody whose work we admire and right at whatever field and we are
02:26:39 ◼ ► Ground rules for the episode is that we are not going to talk about that work. Yeah, that's the one rule
02:26:44 ◼ ► We can talk about anything but work and sometimes it would be crazy stuff like talking to somebody about like, you know
02:26:58 ◼ ► You never know where it's gonna the conversation is gonna take you and that's kind of what it's like to be at a bar and talk
02:27:18 ◼ ► you know the old thing where there's like three blind guys feeling an elephant and they all say different things and one guy's like
02:27:25 ◼ ► You know moltz if he was the blind guy would be right underneath the middle and he'd be like it's an elephant and it's a man
02:27:37 ◼ ► I'd recognize that anywhere these grapefruit sizes. Well, they're probably bigger than grapefruit sizes
02:27:46 ◼ ► I'm so clearly not familiar with the Alpha genitae. I think that I think the topic was about how they they were or were not prehensile
02:28:01 ◼ ► But I don't know well it was because like kangaroos kangaroos. They are prehensile. Oh anyway. Yeah getting way off topic here
02:28:21 ◼ ► And it was a it was a very illuminating and disturbing moment that should be just as well known as the pouches thing
02:29:09 ◼ ► Mean, it's broad daylight open and I would say 10 or 15 feet away from the railing and there's these big
02:29:42 ◼ ► Right and for the most part those turtles don't even move and this the male this old male turtle is really going
02:29:49 ◼ ► And it was I it was one of the best it was like the reason zoos exist because it's like what do you watch?
02:29:55 ◼ ► Do you watch the 85 year old turtle have at it or do you turn around and watch all the parents try to decide?
02:30:03 ◼ ► What do I do like some of the parents were clearly of the let's just pretend this is nothing
02:30:22 ◼ ► I don't want to act as though this is anything to be embarrassed about I'm going you know
02:30:28 ◼ ► Mature professional and and there's no way you could there's no possible way that you could talk to like a ten-year-old kid in a serious
02:30:35 ◼ ► Way about turtles who are having having sex it becomes a meta zoo where you're watching people watch animals
02:30:51 ◼ ► I've had it in my notes for the next time you were on the show to talk about the podcast you called it podcast intervention
02:30:56 ◼ ► Yeah, it just seems like we've got a lot of really smart people and a lot of very talented people but
02:31:03 ◼ ► We we've kind of fallen into and when I say we I mean like, you know the Apple tech community
02:31:10 ◼ ► No, I mean not like the world at large or even the tech community at large but like in within our bubble
02:31:17 ◼ ► Variations on the same theme and it's not that I think people shouldn't do podcasts. In fact, I think people should do more podcasts
02:31:23 ◼ ► I think everybody should have a podcast. I think it's a great way to communicate ideas and broadcast them
02:31:27 ◼ ► I just wish that we would maybe try some other stuff too and maybe try some variation in the way we approach podcasting
02:31:36 ◼ ► It's we work together on this show you edit the show for those who don't know Dave edits the show Dave
02:31:48 ◼ ► Well, you are you you should you should be correct you do enough work on this show that you should get a credit except we
02:31:56 ◼ ► There would be an edited and some kind of maybe even produced by Dave whiskers credit on the talk show
02:32:07 ◼ ► But when I saw that episode of better elevation, I even know you I don't even remember if you mentioned my show
02:32:14 ◼ ► I think you said good things about this show in ATP something about the fact that we you know that this show in ATP work because
02:32:20 ◼ ► The authors have strong voices that we already knew and now we get to hear them in another context something
02:32:27 ◼ ► It's that you would you listen to the talk show not because you heard there's this thing called the talk show and it's great podcast
02:32:32 ◼ ► You're probably listening to the talk show because you read during fireball. Yeah, I've done who knows I know that's a good question
02:32:42 ◼ ► It's a subset of the people who read daring fireball that there are very I maybe there are some though
02:32:48 ◼ ► I'd love to hear from you. But if there are people who don't like daring fireball, but do like the show
02:32:52 ◼ ► But I I do kind of feel like it's sort of like I it's funny to start tying some of these strings together
02:33:06 ◼ ► Well, yeah, you you've referred to the talk show as the it's like the director's commentary track writing fireball
02:33:11 ◼ ► But what I saw your your better elevation it even though you were complimentary towards the show. I took it as you know, I
02:33:25 ◼ ► I do feel like I'm incredibly lazy with the format of this show that there's more I could do we could do anything
02:33:35 ◼ ► Kind of pissed some people off and some people thought that I was attacking one person or another
02:33:47 ◼ ► Multiple podcast networks that are run by a white dude who is on more than one of those shows
02:33:58 ◼ ► And it's really easy to assume that I'm talking about anyone who's people when really I'm the fact that there are more than one
02:34:04 ◼ ► There's more than one person that I could be talking about is kind of what I'm talking about, right?
02:34:07 ◼ ► it's not like it's not like it has anything particular to do with Leo Laporte or Dan Benjamin or
02:34:16 ◼ ► or or Mike Hurley or Renee Richie or but there's so many to choose from and that's kind of what I'm talking about where
02:34:22 ◼ ► We might have a hundred podcasts, but it seems like it's maybe the same 20 people doing all 100 of them
02:34:37 ◼ ► You know from the tech world who's on a bunch of shows and it can apply to so many of them
02:34:41 ◼ ► and any one of those shows any one of those people their quality shows quality people do most of them are friends of mine people that
02:34:46 ◼ ► I would I would speak very highly of them and their shows and their approach to their work
02:34:49 ◼ ► Mike early I talked to a lot even before like I sent him the script for the show and we talked a lot about like
02:34:54 ◼ ► The state of podcasting and what what could be done to push things forward and he's got a lot of great ideas
02:35:10 ◼ ► It's like you zoom out in attack of the clones and you see just a sea of blue and green lightsabers
02:35:19 ◼ ► You have to add some more colors in there and I'm worried that as our sphere of influence grows
02:35:25 ◼ ► We're not really adding anything else to it. Like we're kind of working with those same ingredients
02:35:35 ◼ ► Popular show and I already have an audience and I'm not doing anywhere near enough to exercise any sort of muscles to play with the
02:35:45 ◼ ► It's you know hit record and we've got plenty of stuff to talk about and I think that it's you know
02:35:58 ◼ ► They're growing up faster than traffic at daring fireball like a daring fireball is sort of peaked
02:36:03 ◼ ► Readership wise at least in terms of things you can measure but the show is gaining popularity
02:36:07 ◼ ► and I think it's because I've gotten so many interesting people on who have interesting things to say but the forum is
02:36:14 ◼ ► incredibly lazy, it's get somebody interesting on the other end and hit record for two hours and
02:36:31 ◼ ► people were I kept seeing when that when that thinking man there's been all this discussion now about
02:36:35 ◼ ► podcasts over the last couple of weeks and I keep hearing the same phrase repeated which is
02:36:49 ◼ ► You would come up with an idea and you'd think through it and you would edit it and you would refine it and you'd go through
02:37:01 ◼ ► So it's not that podcasts are the new blogs. It's more like podcasts or the new I am logs
02:37:17 ◼ ► Like for example, I and I know not that nobody has ever done it but like for something like WWDC, you know
02:37:24 ◼ ► Instead of just doing one big show or like I've done last couple years like the live show which I could still do
02:37:30 ◼ ► But why not in the course of the week do you know a couple of 15-minute episodes just with?
02:37:36 ◼ ► You know new stuff like if I don't have time on day one to do a real episode of the show
02:37:41 ◼ ► Why can't I have something that hits the feed and goes to podcast things with just like a 10-minute overview?
02:38:02 ◼ ► Why couldn't the feed for the talk show have a bunch of little things in it? Yeah. Yeah
02:38:07 ◼ ► And so it was I don't know Jason Snell was on unprofessional months ago and we had this like sort of meta discussion about
02:38:29 ◼ ► But you put out a YouTube video and that could hit tens or hundreds of thousands of views it could hit millions of views
02:38:39 ◼ ► 20 to 30 million subscribers to say nothing of the views they get just subscribers people who are actively subscribed to that channel and
02:38:54 ◼ ► And I started thinking about that and I decided that whatever I do next I want to I want to try something new
02:38:59 ◼ ► I want to I want to push a boundary that I don't feel like we've been pushing and something that I
02:39:23 ◼ ► As a show was just them filming while they were recording the radio show. Yeah, and that was a little bit higher production value
02:39:38 ◼ ► With Leo's shows the guests are all you know, there's also, you know, they're recording audio
02:39:45 ◼ ► Some of the people are in the studio and it works a little bit more because it looks a little bit more like a regular
02:39:54 ◼ ► Mac break weekly or something like that. It's just a stupid view of me here in my home office
02:40:16 ◼ ► Whereas I do think though that in theory there is something that like the ATP guys could do that would be video
02:40:24 ◼ ► Right, right and that's where I get excited about the idea of video as a medium and it's so funny to talk about this as
02:40:43 ◼ ► Well, and it's funny because it's something, you know, it gets to the weird notion that
02:40:47 ◼ ► you have to have a name for a thing and that the name for a thing can affect the way people
02:41:04 ◼ ► but that it was only after we had a name for it that we all kind of agreed that you'd make
02:41:08 ◼ ► posts and they would top down chronological order that it made the whole thing take off.
02:41:17 ◼ ► People were doing what we now call podcasts before the word podcast existed. I mean they
02:41:22 ◼ ► were doing it before there was even an iPod which is where the pod and podcast come from.
02:41:46 ◼ ► I actually had to use like a telephone and call in and we talked for like two hours. Yeah, I think we need
02:42:31 ◼ ► It seems like, in the same way that anybody could sit down in front of Tumblr or Squarespace
02:42:40 ◼ ► And it seems like there should be. It seems like there should be really great software for making podcasts.
02:42:45 ◼ ► Because everybody who writes software has a podcast now. You'd think that this would just happen.
02:42:51 ◼ ► I almost feel like the board podcast has become known as just two people or or a panel of people just turning on record and
02:43:06 ◼ ► It would be a little bit more open-ended and might be might entice people more to do editing
02:43:39 ◼ ► But it's it's a great example of what you could be doing with the medium and what's funny to me is audio as a medium
02:44:44 ◼ ► I feel like it's an editing problem too though because I feel like that the tools to make these like we're in it
02:44:50 ◼ ► They'll come eventually. They'll probably come sooner rather than later, but I feel like it's more than just about hitting record and
02:44:56 ◼ ► Then hitting stop and then somehow being able to quickly post what happened in between hitting record and stop like
02:45:05 ◼ ► I'm not saying it right it's I know your level of quality anything but the tools for editing and posting video from your phone
02:45:13 ◼ ► Way better than podcasting from your phone. Yeah, I think it's funny that we've got these super high def cameras
02:45:17 ◼ ► And there's always this big push every year when the new iPhone comes out we talk about the camera
02:45:21 ◼ ► But there's been no major advancements to the microphone technology. Hmm. That's a good point. Right like nobody would recommend
02:45:29 ◼ ► Recording a podcast using the built-in mic on an iPhone. Whereas you could record pretty you can record pretty damn good video with
02:45:35 ◼ ► Yeah, but the audio notoriously is terrible. Yeah, I found you I go and I spend all this this damn money on a
02:46:03 ◼ ► What better you can get better than what used to be considered professional video pretty quickly, right? Yeah, definitely and professionally
02:48:33 ◼ ► Like I felt like well, this is still really early and the whole point is to be experimenting. So let's try something new
02:48:38 ◼ ► Yeah, maybe it's gonna be terrible. Maybe it's gonna be unwatchable, but I'm just gonna try something new and if it works
02:48:46 ◼ ► I found that one super easy to listen to or watch, you know, like it went down like butter
02:48:51 ◼ ► Whereas all the ones where you're on camera to me not because they're you're bad or awkward or unprofessional
02:49:04 ◼ ► I don't know. It's the way like whenever you see somebody, you know on a video doesn't it have like a weird effect on you
02:49:14 ◼ ► But like if somebody I knew was on Letterman, it's weird like it's weird when I see Clayton Morris on TV. Yeah
02:49:31 ◼ ► That same video where he's talking about the aluminium and how the thing is contoured in the whatever
02:49:42 ◼ ► Probably be a little off-putting. So maybe there's maybe there is an element to there's an intimacy to eye contact that that
02:49:54 ◼ ► Yeah, maybe there's some kind of psychology but like, you know, the nightly news guys all look right at the camera
02:50:00 ◼ ► You know, the teleprompter is set up so that it looks like they're looking at the camera. Yeah, and I think it's it's maybe a
02:50:05 ◼ ► Instructional versus informative. I don't know maybe there's got to be I'm sure somebody's done studies on this
02:50:14 ◼ ► I don't know Jon Stewart does the for a whole first half of his show looking right at the camera. Yeah, it's true
02:50:18 ◼ ► Could be about the distance from the camera to like the length of focal length of the lines
02:50:22 ◼ ► I don't know but that's often the wheat where should people go where so you're not married to YouTube in particular though
02:50:27 ◼ ► You might be switching to Vimeo. It's video. Well, not not switching. I'm just trying to like YouTube
02:50:34 ◼ ► YouTube is the second largest search engine and that's that's a real thing and I don't want to miss out on
02:50:42 ◼ ► but I also some people just hate YouTube and they hate Google and that's you know, at least an understandable position and
02:50:52 ◼ ► So both like I'm just trying to I'm trying to make some stuff and see what works and whatever works
02:51:04 ◼ ► like I would be hesitant to say that you're a youtuber now because I don't want to I don't I
02:51:13 ◼ ► Deuce Heather Armstrong a mommy blogger. It's like she's not a mommy blogger. She's a writer. She's a really good one
02:51:26 ◼ ► Like I'm sure the word like when they first started abbreviating television is TV it it's you know in the 40s or 50s
02:51:37 ◼ ► Whereas when you open that word right who was born in the era where TV is an just almost
02:51:48 ◼ ► You know, they could have called it anything and it would just seem awesome because TV is awesome
02:51:58 ◼ ► I stuck with calling them web blogs for as long as I could but now it's been long enough that it's you know
02:52:04 ◼ ► It no longer feels like anything and I feel like youtuber is that way and I've noticed with Jonas like, you know who watches
02:52:11 ◼ ► Obsessive amounts of YouTube he watches far more YouTube than he watches commercial television
02:52:31 ◼ ► Democrat ization of content effect where this is sort of like this was our dream, right?
02:52:36 ◼ ► The the Internet's dream was that anybody could make stuff and just put it out there, right?
02:52:40 ◼ ► I'm playing music with some friends now and we're talking about like well in the 90s if
02:52:46 ◼ ► If you wanted to you know make a video that would be seen by anybody if you want to make a record you had to
02:52:53 ◼ ► now like we could we could record a song and make the video for it and have like the song on iTunes and the video
02:53:10 ◼ ► Then you can give them out or sell them at the venue where if you were still below that you you know
02:54:10 ◼ ► This is where the people who can't make it in the real world go and you know, pretend like they're doing it and then
02:54:21 ◼ ► The good stuff could be coming from anywhere and you realize that the new format is the one that has the most freedom
02:54:27 ◼ ► Where you don't have to do it in 30-minute increments because you're based on this TV model where everything has to be
02:54:33 ◼ ► 30 60 90 minutes long to fit in a schedule and you can do something like say I have a six-minute essay
02:54:47 ◼ ► Which is exactly what I feel like if there's anything I've done you know successfully with
02:54:59 ◼ ► If I need three thousand words I can use three thousand words and if I can make my point
02:55:08 ◼ ► couldn't have, you know, Paul Krugman's column in the New York Times can't be seven words long.
02:55:18 ◼ ► Yeah, and I look at your stuff and Marco's stuff and Jason Snell's stuff and it seems especially
02:55:25 ◼ ► the three of you in particular. It strikes me that you guys have these voices that people listen to
02:55:30 ◼ ► and you've got these shows like literally voices that people listen to and like there's an authority
02:55:54 ◼ ► but like my whole point my the whole spirit of all of this is like I just want to try new stuff and I want
02:56:09 ◼ ► Where's the one place people can go if they want to see a couple episodes of better elevation?
02:56:13 ◼ ► YouTube comm slash better elevation or vimeo comm slash better elevation or or just Google for better elevation