The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► You had a rough week this week, huh?

00:00:02 ◼   ► Well with the baseball. Yeah, you have the baseball and then you got owned by Kefauzis?

00:00:08 ◼   ► It's just one indignity after another. That was stupid. I mean who cares? Who does something like that?

00:00:14 ◼   ► Tiny tiny men. Exactly. I mean, I don't care. I'm not superstitious. Superstitions are for red.

00:00:21 ◼   ► That just says everything you need to know about Red Sox fans.

00:00:23 ◼   ► You know what I mean? Like there was a, you know, when they built the new Yankee Stadium a couple years ago

00:00:28 ◼   ► there was some goofball guy in the construction crew who

00:00:31 ◼   ► apparently

00:00:34 ◼   ► Are supposedly purportedly reputedly?

00:00:37 ◼   ► Put a Red Sox jersey into like a vat of concrete that they you know

00:00:43 ◼   ► Poured a column or something like that and then they ended up like ripping it out or something

00:00:47 ◼   ► I don't even know if it was there who does stuff like that

00:00:49 ◼   ► Well, you know that they were cursed for what is it 86 years or whatever it was no they did weren't cursed they just stunk

00:00:57 ◼   ► That's it. It was it's superstitious Red Sox fans who thought it was a curse whereas Yankee fans just said, you know, they stink

00:01:05 ◼   ► Yeah

00:01:07 ◼   ► Honda good team this year though good team my elderly relatives who are Yankees fan used to call the Yankees

00:01:15 ◼   ► What the uncle bums always the bums those bums?

00:01:18 ◼   ► Always wait, but they were Yankee fans. Yeah called the Yankees the bums, huh? I

00:01:24 ◼   ► Thought that was I thought that was also what they used to call the the Brooklyn Dodgers

00:01:29 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that's what every every person who grew up, you know in New York 50 70 years ago. They're all bums

00:01:36 ◼   ► Big week for you last week. Yeah, do you got the review out, right? Yeah, that's why I'm doing all these podcasts

00:01:48 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm in demand for a week and a half a year

00:01:51 ◼   ► our little you know the media I

00:01:54 ◼   ► Don't want to call it the in the ecosphere. What do you want to call it?

00:01:58 ◼   ► But they you know the way that there's a bunch of cabal maybe well, but it's more than that though

00:02:03 ◼   ► there's also people who aren't

00:02:05 ◼   ► cabal implies that we're

00:02:07 ◼   ► Implies that there's a plan and there's not yeah exactly

00:02:11 ◼   ► It's just you know that there are now shows and there's more websites and stuff like that

00:02:16 ◼   ► But a lot of people have shows and now you can we can we as you know

00:02:21 ◼   ► indie nerd whatever we are is

00:02:23 ◼   ► But when we have something big and new come out like a new app

00:02:26 ◼   ► Like when I had Vesper come out last year or you when you you know, you've got the the big

00:02:32 ◼   ► Really? It's we call them reviews, but they're almost like

00:02:35 ◼   ► Short concise books if you think of them as short concise books, they don't seem so long

00:02:39 ◼   ► But now we can do what like

00:02:43 ◼   ► Actors do when a movie comes out is you go on a bunch of shows and you let people know

00:02:48 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm hoping that like what I try to do is I don't have to do that

00:02:53 ◼   ► So I don't have to go on all the shows that I don't want to go on

00:02:55 ◼   ► I just go on the shows that I do want to go on and that narrows down

00:02:57 ◼   ► Considerably like because I don't feel compelled to just you know

00:03:00 ◼   ► Tons and tons of offers like you know, hey come on here coming in

00:03:03 ◼   ► There's always you know offers here and there but as soon as this comes out

00:03:06 ◼   ► everybody wants to PC on I have the luxury unlike the people who have to go and promote a movie to right to pick and

00:03:11 ◼   ► Choose only right so but like so you're not gonna go on guy English's stupid show. No, I already blew him off

00:03:16 ◼   ► No, I will go on his show. It's just like I couldn't I like literally couldn't fit in the schedule

00:03:20 ◼   ► You know what time do I have for podcasting?

00:03:22 ◼   ► I have like after the kids are in bed and even then usually only on weekdays and just you know

00:03:27 ◼   ► When I'm booked up on booked up is only you know, five slots a week and doing five things a night

00:03:31 ◼   ► Makes my wife angry. So yeah, I can believe that trying to try to keep that under control

00:03:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if my wife would be angry or she'd be happier

00:03:40 ◼   ► So how would how's the reaction gone to the to the review? Yeah, it's good

00:03:46 ◼   ► I guess

00:03:47 ◼   ► Do you think people are starting to take him for granted?

00:03:49 ◼   ► I mean like I think you know

00:03:51 ◼   ► I think it's been tapering off the past few years in terms of just attention on the Mac at all

00:03:55 ◼   ► And so the people who like it still really really like it like that's my that's my core audience of you know

00:04:01 ◼   ► The people who do like what I do really really like it, but then for everyone else. It's like yeah, you know there's this thing

00:04:06 ◼   ► It's alright

00:04:07 ◼   ► I guess like if you look at the the histogram of you know because it's split up into like pages quote unquote pages

00:04:12 ◼   ► but not really.

00:04:13 ◼   ► If you look at the histogram of who visits the first page,

00:04:16 ◼   ► second page, third page, or whatever,

00:04:18 ◼   ► it looks like a big U shape.

00:04:19 ◼   ► Because tons of people get the first page,

00:04:21 ◼   ► and tons of people read the last page,

00:04:23 ◼   ► and people who read the middle not so much.

00:04:25 ◼   ► So it's always been like that, but now it just-- it does well.

00:04:31 ◼   ► A lot of people read it.

00:04:34 ◼   ► But I think just the interest in it in general

00:04:37 ◼   ► is people aren't as excited.

00:04:38 ◼   ► And it was the 10th one, 10th major release.

00:04:40 ◼   ► It's like all right. I guess they're still doing that Mac thing. Let's learn about it a little bit, and that's that

00:04:45 ◼   ► Do you ever think about doing them for iOS too? No no no I don't I don't I don't want to do them for iOS

00:04:53 ◼   ► I don't feel like I mean you could say like oh well

00:04:55 ◼   ► I do them for the Mac because I've got all this history you know being a Mac user since 1984 and everything well

00:05:00 ◼   ► I've been an iOS user since pretty much day one too, but it just doesn't feel the same to me

00:05:04 ◼   ► You know doesn't it's not that's not my thing some kid who was 12 years old in

00:05:10 ◼   ► 2007 should be doing these iOS reviews you know what I mean like for whom

00:05:14 ◼   ► iOS is that that seminal technology moment in their life and for me that was the Mac, but it's not

00:05:20 ◼   ► iOS is not that for me a little if you you know if you look at my reviews

00:05:24 ◼   ► iOS is just like this shadow that looms over the entire thing because it's hard to even talk about the Mac without

00:05:29 ◼   ► You know

00:05:31 ◼   ► Comparing comparing it to iOS and thinking about how it is a reaction to iOS or how iOS might be a reaction to what it's doing

00:05:39 ◼   ► Like, it's impossible to do an OS X review

00:05:41 ◼   ► without talking about iOS.

00:05:42 ◼   ► So I do, but I wouldn't want to review the OS proper.

00:05:46 ◼   ► Yeah, in other words, it's your obsession

00:05:50 ◼   ► with Mac OS X that drives it.

00:05:52 ◼   ► It's not just that you want to have

00:05:56 ◼   ► a big, comprehensive review of something that Apple's done.

00:06:00 ◼   ► This is the thing that you really-- your mind just

00:06:03 ◼   ► naturally latches onto wanting to know all these details.

00:06:07 ◼   ► And I like Macs better, and I like the things

00:06:09 ◼   ► you can do with them.

00:06:10 ◼   ► And a lot of the technology things I'm talking about,

00:06:12 ◼   ► there are probably equivalents in iOS,

00:06:14 ◼   ► or they may have started in iOS or whatever.

00:06:18 ◼   ► Maybe it's just because I have more background.

00:06:20 ◼   ► But it seems like a lot of these things,

00:06:22 ◼   ► I can get more technical info about the details of OS X.

00:06:27 ◼   ► Even just from Apple, just from going to the WLDC sessions,

00:06:29 ◼   ► you're much more likely to see some in-depth end users,

00:06:33 ◼   ► and even developers really, don't need

00:06:35 ◼   ► to know this information.

00:06:36 ◼   ► but they're gonna talk about it in a presentation

00:06:38 ◼   ► than you would for iOS.

00:06:39 ◼   ► And I guess the people who jailbreak iOS

00:06:41 ◼   ► and are in there with debuggers and poking and prodding it

00:06:43 ◼   ► could do a similar type of thing,

00:06:44 ◼   ► but Apple is not offering up that information

00:06:47 ◼   ► as readily as they have historically offered it up

00:06:50 ◼   ► for the Mac.

00:06:50 ◼   ► And then there's all the dev tools and stuff,

00:06:52 ◼   ► which is common to all platforms,

00:06:53 ◼   ► and that could be in an iOS review

00:06:55 ◼   ► just as easily as an OS X review.

00:06:56 ◼   ► But yeah, I like the weird things

00:07:00 ◼   ► and nooks and crannies of OS X,

00:07:01 ◼   ► and OS X has evolved more.

00:07:03 ◼   ► Like it's older, and so if you look back,

00:07:06 ◼   ► Even though iOS 7 is this big radical break, if you compare iOS 1 through 6 and then 7,

00:07:12 ◼   ► that's just like the first quarter of OS X's history.

00:07:17 ◼   ► The way it's changed and how just look and feel, interface, technology is underpinning

00:07:22 ◼   ► everything, the time before iOS existed compared to the time after, OS X has been through a

00:07:27 ◼   ► lot whereas iOS is still spring chicken.

00:07:30 ◼   ► It's maybe not as interesting from a historical perspective quite yet.

00:07:36 ◼   ► One thing that stuck out to me, and part of it

00:07:38 ◼   ► is the fact that this is the 10th one,

00:07:40 ◼   ► and that makes the math a lot easier,

00:07:44 ◼   ► is you can divide and just sort of figure, well,

00:07:48 ◼   ► over the lifetime of Mac OS--

00:07:51 ◼   ► I still call it Mac OS X. I even write it sometimes.

00:07:54 ◼   ► Yeah, I know.

00:07:55 ◼   ► It's hard.

00:07:55 ◼   ► I try to train myself out of it.

00:07:58 ◼   ► It's like one of those ways around just curmudgeonly.

00:08:01 ◼   ► Because to me, putting the Mac in Mac OS X,

00:08:04 ◼   ► It just jumps out at you and there's no confusion.

00:08:07 ◼   ► Whereas with iOS and OS 10, it's all about that OS.

00:08:13 ◼   ► And to me, it's one of those, then I could get confused.

00:08:16 ◼   ► And I might write the wrong one.

00:08:18 ◼   ► Or if I'm reading somebody else's,

00:08:19 ◼   ► I'll read it the wrong way if I'm reading too fast.

00:08:22 ◼   ► Yeah, and everyone read so much into dropping of the Mac.

00:08:24 ◼   ► And I still don't quite understand the thinking

00:08:27 ◼   ► behind it, other than just the basic, well, it's

00:08:29 ◼   ► one fewer word.

00:08:30 ◼   ► It's simplification, right?

00:08:32 ◼   ► But it's like, oh, they can drop the Mac,

00:08:33 ◼   ► Because then you could have OS X on non Mac platforms and fast forward like four years and it's like no, not so much.

00:08:39 ◼   ► Yeah, and I was one of those ones and God bless my readers, but it was like one of those ones where it was

00:08:46 ◼   ► I mean like 30 or 40 emails over the next day or two from people who all

00:08:51 ◼   ► Suggesting the same thing that it meant that that Apple was gonna license

00:08:55 ◼   ► Yeah, the OS to you know, probably not everybody but maybe like just for example just Dell

00:09:02 ◼   ► and let Dell make...

00:09:04 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean like who knows, you know, who knows how these decisions come to pass, but you know,

00:09:08 ◼   ► there was that brief moment where they were trying to say OS X was like the common platform

00:09:12 ◼   ► beneath iOS and Mac OS X or iPhone OS and Mac OS X. It was like three days when that was the case and

00:09:17 ◼   ► then they backpedaled and then later, you know, took off the Mac again. Like,

00:09:21 ◼   ► you know, it could be

00:09:24 ◼   ► preparing for possibly doing that or running in this OS and something that's not a Mac because it's like a

00:09:29 ◼   ► TV thing or like who knows what you know, but they just

00:09:32 ◼   ► It seems to have a mind of its own

00:09:35 ◼   ► It's like well we're doing this name change and if if the name change was really going to be linked to hey

00:09:40 ◼   ► We're licensing it you think it would be announced at the same time

00:09:42 ◼   ► It's not like you you change the name first and then announce the licensing later

00:09:46 ◼   ► So the name change like has a life of its own and it's one of those things where Apple

00:09:50 ◼   ► Apple doesn't explain like remember when you're trying to ask Apple about like, you know

00:09:53 ◼   ► What's the deal with like the new iPad when you know and they were just they you know, it was like talking to her

00:09:58 ◼   ► I'm not gonna get political. Anyway, it was like talking points.

00:10:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:10:01 ◼   ► They all said the same thing. They're like, you know, we have a speech every time you ask it,

00:10:06 ◼   ► we just like to call it the new iPad. Like they were reading from an index card.

00:10:08 ◼   ► Right. But it's in a way that it's utterly a

00:10:11 ◼   ► nonpartisan. It has nothing to do with left or right, liberal, conservative, Republican, Democrat.

00:10:17 ◼   ► All of them are the same. Where when you get one of them in public, especially like on a

00:10:23 ◼   ► campaign for an election, you just cannot knock them off the talking points.

00:10:28 ◼   ► Even if you have a question that none of the talking points answer, they'll just pick one

00:10:33 ◼   ► of them at random and it ends up like a non sequitur.

00:10:36 ◼   ► Well, Apple is as disciplined or even more disciplined than political campaigns at the

00:10:42 ◼   ► top of their game.

00:10:43 ◼   ► Because some political campaigns, good reporters can trip them up or whatever, but the very

00:10:49 ◼   ► best, most efficient political machines cannot be tripped up. And they speak with one voice,

00:10:53 ◼   ► and they stick to their talking points, and they execute their strategy, and it's like

00:10:57 ◼   ► talking to a brick wall. I mean, who cares? Like, the name of a product's not a big deal,

00:11:00 ◼   ► but Apple employs that strategy to great effect. So if they don't want to explain why they

00:11:05 ◼   ► change names, they're not going to. And in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really

00:11:09 ◼   ► matter, so we're just left to scratch our heads and go, oh, well, that's what it's called

00:11:13 ◼   ► now.

00:11:14 ◼   ► little background on that and it's not definitive and I can't you know it's

00:11:19 ◼   ► it's off the record and again it's not definitive so I could be wrong but

00:11:23 ◼   ► somebody was telling me that they had the name iPad air in mind all along or

00:11:32 ◼   ► at least you know like this product was on the roadmap for a while and they knew

00:11:35 ◼   ► they wanted to call it iPad air but that wanting to call this year's new full

00:11:42 ◼   ► size iPad the air when they could make it this size and this weight was why they stopped

00:11:47 ◼   ► putting the numbers after the iPad three and four because they felt like if they did two

00:11:54 ◼   ► more iPads with numbers it would create it it would make the iPad air when it come out

00:12:00 ◼   ► if it wasn't called the five make it seem like it I think they overthink stuff like

00:12:04 ◼   ► this that it would you know that once you get to four it would have to be five to be

00:12:09 ◼   ► better than the four, but they didn't want to call it that. They wanted to call it the

00:12:12 ◼   ► air. So they just stopped, you know, they just had two models, but they didn't. But

00:12:16 ◼   ► everybody, I just call them, everybody else, like we call them the iPad 3 and iPad 4.

00:12:20 ◼   ► Yeah, and like that, that strategy, whether they thought it was a good idea or not, like

00:12:25 ◼   ► all they did was trade a future scenario in which people expect a number that's one bigger

00:12:29 ◼   ► than the previous number for a more present scenario. Because people had all this, all

00:12:33 ◼   ► the same stuff happened when it was the new iPad. And so all that stuff that happened,

00:12:38 ◼   ► what they were trying to avoid. All they did was shift it forward in time, which is fine,

00:12:41 ◼   ► like whatever. You know, I think it's reasonable to take the numbers off the thing. But if

00:12:45 ◼   ► it was their strategy to like, we don't want that burden on top of the Air. We want that

00:12:49 ◼   ► burden now on top of the iPad 3. Well, you got what you wanted.

00:12:52 ◼   ► Well, and the flip side of that too is it makes me think that they're going to stick

00:12:57 ◼   ► with the numbers for the iPhone. If they thought about that and they didn't want to have these

00:13:02 ◼   ► numbers and not, you know, eventually go away for the iPad, then why would they, why are

00:13:06 ◼   ► they still, you know, numbering the iPhones. So…

00:13:08 ◼   ► **Matt Stauffer** Well, you know, wait for them to drop the number on the iPhone and then, you know,

00:13:12 ◼   ► two years later, the iPhone Air that's going to be a thickness of a credit card is going to come out.

00:13:15 ◼   ► **Ezra Kleinman** Exactly. That's a good point. That might be.

00:13:18 ◼   ► I also think in general that Apple, not that they're not good at naming things,

00:13:25 ◼   ► but they're not good at explaining why they name things. I think even to themselves, that they just,

00:13:30 ◼   ► you know, even without Steve Jobs there, even as it goes on, it's sort of, you know,

00:13:35 ◼   ► They just pick names that feel right and whether there's any

00:13:38 ◼   ► Sense to it or not

00:13:41 ◼   ► They don't care or names that feel wrong like MacBook. Yeah, Marco's still hung up on that one

00:13:46 ◼   ► No, I mean, it's us, you know, you get used to anything you get used to anything

00:13:49 ◼   ► But like you just you have to judge a name like when you first see it and say is this name have any awkward?

00:13:55 ◼   ► Aspect of it that's weird. And what am I trading that awkwardness for my train that awkwardness for better brand recognition for the word

00:14:01 ◼   ► Mac, well, you just took it out of the OS name, so I'm not sure what the grand strategy is there.

00:14:05 ◼   ► iPod and iPad relying on this different vowel sound and very similar looking letters to

00:14:12 ◼   ► distinguish, it's not the greatest, but it worked out in the end. iPod Touch, people call it the

00:14:19 ◼   ► iTouch, it's kind of a mess. In the end, the names don't matter that much, but certainly I would say

00:14:25 ◼   ► Naming is not consistent vision of naming is not Apple strong suit, but you know, you have to pick a weakness

00:14:32 ◼   ► It's fine where we are recording this on Halloween evening

00:14:35 ◼   ► I was out trick-or-treating with the boy and his friends earlier this evening and one of the kids dad's

00:14:43 ◼   ► Who knows what I do asked me he says he wants to get a new 13-inch

00:14:48 ◼   ► Notebook or laptop or whatever and wanted to know which one you should get the air book or the MacBook Pro

00:14:55 ◼   ► Pro. I don't think I've ever heard that one before.

00:14:58 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, if you're not in-- don't follow this stuff.

00:15:01 ◼   ► The names all start to sound the same.

00:15:02 ◼   ► They all got "I" in the front of them.

00:15:04 ◼   ► There's some sort of-- "Air" is like in the mix.

00:15:06 ◼   ► And sometimes there's Mac, and there's a pad and pods.

00:15:09 ◼   ► And people don't know.

00:15:10 ◼   ► People don't care.

00:15:12 ◼   ► I think I had a good answer for him.

00:15:14 ◼   ► I think that's become a very easy decision to make,

00:15:17 ◼   ► just a little bit off the topic here.

00:15:20 ◼   ► But to choose which MacBook to buy.

00:15:23 ◼   ► I think here's how I think it is

00:15:25 ◼   ► I think if you spend a lot of time running off the battery you should get the air and if you spend most of your

00:15:30 ◼   ► Time with the AC cord plugged in and you should spend the extra couple hundred bucks and get the pro

00:15:36 ◼   ► I think the screen is still a factor in my like it depends if you think people care

00:15:41 ◼   ► But I think even regular people know what a bad viewing angle is like they don't they can't articulate it

00:15:46 ◼   ► But like, you know, it's it's the case that a lot of people still can't tell you

00:15:51 ◼   ► retina, non-retina, but everybody can tell the difference between IPS and TN panels.

00:15:58 ◼   ► This screen doesn't quite look as good, because if you're at a slightly off angle, that's

00:16:02 ◼   ► the one remaining weakness of the Air, even though I still recommend it.

00:16:05 ◼   ► It was so much easier to recommend it when none of the machines were retina.

00:16:09 ◼   ► Like there was that honeymoon period where, which laptop Mac should I get?

00:16:13 ◼   ► The default answer was 13-inch Air.

00:16:16 ◼   ► And then you could just waffle from there.

00:16:18 ◼   ► it's like 13 inch air, but have you seen the screen on the 13 inch retina? Even before the revisions,

00:16:23 ◼   ► you know, like that's those things look so nice. And if you're gonna be spending all day looking

00:16:27 ◼   ► at the actual laptop screen, especially now the 13 inch, you know, non-air is getting so thin,

00:16:34 ◼   ► it's it's a harder decision. Yeah, it's pretty comparable to like, I don't know, maybe I'm a

00:16:39 ◼   ► little off, but I think it's getting pretty close to the weight of the original 13 inch

00:16:44 ◼   ► It's not quite there, but like I said in an ATP couple of weeks ago, if you just imagine

00:16:49 ◼   ► the original error, but it didn't taper.

00:16:51 ◼   ► It's very similar.

00:16:54 ◼   ► Just stuff with extra battery.

00:16:57 ◼   ► Like a bazillion times faster and better battery life and everything else so much better about

00:17:02 ◼   ► it.

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00:17:52 ◼   ► files you put on it between each one if you have more than one and all the Macs

00:17:57 ◼   ► you sign into on the same account what's the advantage of it well it's your

00:18:02 ◼   ► device you control it you know where it is and there is no cloud component the

00:18:07 ◼   ► The only part that's online that these guys do is the magic to sort of poke holes through

00:18:14 ◼   ► your router, your home network, your office network.

00:18:18 ◼   ► They don't do any storage though.

00:18:19 ◼   ► All they do is connect sort of a peer-to-peer basis just to sort of get you through the

00:18:24 ◼   ► – what do you call it?

00:18:28 ◼   ► The firewall?

00:18:29 ◼   ► Whatever you want to call it, the router.

00:18:31 ◼   ► Am I saying this right, John?

00:18:33 ◼   ► John: Firewall, you got it.

00:18:35 ◼   ► They don't store your stuff on any kind of cloud-based system.

00:18:41 ◼   ► And I can't imagine. I say this every time these guys come on as a sponsor.

00:18:44 ◼   ► I really can't imagine the...

00:18:48 ◼   ► I mean it's a terrible complicated and

00:18:51 ◼   ► political situation with the US government and the NSA and the spying and

00:18:56 ◼   ► stuff like that that's going on.

00:18:58 ◼   ► With leaks coming every single week. I can't even imagine

00:19:02 ◼   ► the forethought that went into them launching this product about a year ago

00:19:05 ◼   ► and then to have this next year of news break out like this.

00:19:09 ◼   ► In terms of trying to convince people why you might want to take

00:19:13 ◼   ► control and ownership of your distributed

00:19:17 ◼   ► ubiquitous everywhere you go file storage.

00:19:21 ◼   ► They have an app for the iPhone so you can

00:19:24 ◼   ► use that you can connect to your stuff from wherever you are even on your phone.

00:19:28 ◼   ► It's a great product, really is. Works

00:19:32 ◼   ► very simply, very quietly.

00:19:34 ◼   ► It's just a completely unobtrusive piece of hardware.

00:19:37 ◼   ► That is the one thing I always,

00:19:39 ◼   ► when I first heard about it months ago,

00:19:41 ◼   ► my first thought was, well, do I really want to hook up?

00:19:44 ◼   ► I'm lazy, I really am.

00:19:46 ◼   ► And the older I get, the lazier I get.

00:19:47 ◼   ► Do I really wanna hook up some kind of complicated,

00:19:50 ◼   ► you know, piece of storage hardware?

00:19:54 ◼   ► This thing is adorably a little cute.

00:19:56 ◼   ► I mean, it's, you know, fits in the palm of your hand.

00:19:59 ◼   ► Very simple to set up.

00:20:01 ◼   ► Quiet and all the good things you could say about it

00:20:04 ◼   ► Where do you go to find out more easy you go

00:20:11 ◼   ► File transporter comm slash talk ta lk nice short code that way

00:20:20 ◼   ► They will know that you came from the show

00:20:23 ◼   ► It's cheap

00:20:26 ◼   ► You can do things. What's the starting cost for this thing John? You know, cuz you they sponsor your show - isn't like

00:20:32 ◼   ► $2.99 I

00:20:35 ◼   ► Think have the new one that doesn't have the hard drive into that

00:20:38 ◼   ► I think is even cheaper

00:20:39 ◼   ► But they do sell an empty one that you can supply your own hard drive for but yeah, it's something like that

00:20:43 ◼   ► Here's one you could get one look at this your own unlimited private cloud. Here it is. It's brand new. It's a new device

00:20:49 ◼   ► $99, that's the little puck shape one. That's the little puck shaped one. Yeah, I'm get started for $99

00:20:54 ◼   ► I should also add, here's another thing, no fees.

00:20:57 ◼   ► You don't pay fees, you don't pay any kind of monthly thing.

00:20:59 ◼   ► You buy them, it's like Apple.

00:21:02 ◼   ► It's like you give them money for hardware

00:21:04 ◼   ► and then it just runs for free after that.

00:21:07 ◼   ► No monthly fees, you just buy the thing.

00:21:09 ◼   ► And really, it's great.

00:21:11 ◼   ► If you're a nerd, you wanna buy the one

00:21:12 ◼   ► that doesn't come with a hard drive,

00:21:13 ◼   ► you put your own hard drive in it.

00:21:15 ◼   ► Otherwise, you can get one from them

00:21:16 ◼   ► that's all set up, ready to go right out of the box.

00:21:18 ◼   ► So check 'em out, filetransporter.com/talk.

00:21:23 ◼   ► Yeah, this new puck-shaped one looks adorable.

00:21:27 ◼   ► Reminds me of the old Griffin thing.

00:21:29 ◼   ► Remember that Griffin--

00:21:30 ◼   ► It was a big knob that you turned or something?

00:21:32 ◼   ► Yeah, it was this hardware thing.

00:21:36 ◼   ► You'd plug it in USB.

00:21:38 ◼   ► Or was it so old that it was ADB?

00:21:40 ◼   ► I think it was USB.

00:21:43 ◼   ► And it was just a dial.

00:21:45 ◼   ► And there was software where you could

00:21:47 ◼   ► make it control your volume.

00:21:50 ◼   ► If you wanted instead, you could have it scroll whatever app

00:21:53 ◼   ► you were in.

00:21:54 ◼   ► It would be nice if you could play Kaboom with it.

00:21:58 ◼   ► I'm sure you could.

00:21:59 ◼   ► You must have been able to.

00:22:00 ◼   ► It seems like it would be criminal not to let you play Kaboom.

00:22:04 ◼   ► That was my favorite, one of my favorite games for 2600.

00:22:08 ◼   ► It was a very good game.

00:22:10 ◼   ► There was a whole, I don't even know what you want to call it.

00:22:13 ◼   ► There was a genre of classic video games which was going side to side catching things.

00:22:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:20 ◼   ► Like this is it could be just be childhood, you know, Rosie rose colored childhood memory

00:22:25 ◼   ► But I would love for someone to hook one of those things up to find like a TV with an RF

00:22:29 ◼   ► Interface and everything when I hook it up with period correct hardware and see what is the latency between?

00:22:35 ◼   ► when you turn that little analog knob and when you know the image moves on the screen because it just felt like

00:22:41 ◼   ► You were directly connected wired up to that little stack of things trying to catch your stuff as they fall

00:22:47 ◼   ► Maybe the lag was horrendous and I just don't remember because I was so young but

00:22:50 ◼   ► In my memory, that was the most responsive "I move part of my body and an image moves

00:22:56 ◼   ► on a screen" interface that I can remember.

00:22:59 ◼   ► Atari called it the "paddle," right?

00:23:01 ◼   ► That's what they called them, the "that controller."

00:23:06 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:23:07 ◼   ► That was the only device, well, maybe there's newer ones that come.

00:23:10 ◼   ► But that was one of the weird things about Atari is it came with two sets of controllers.

00:23:13 ◼   ► You had a set of joysticks and a set of paddles, because it was for two totally different games,

00:23:18 ◼   ► types of games. My favorite of the genre was Circus Atari. Do you remember that one?

00:23:24 ◼   ► **Matt Stauffer** It does not ring a bell.

00:23:26 ◼   ► **Justin Jackson** Ooh, that was a really good one. It was the same type thing. It was you were a

00:23:30 ◼   ► clown on a teeter totter and it just went side to side and then you had a partner who would jump on

00:23:37 ◼   ► a trampoline to start and you had to catch him and you had to catch him on the upside of the

00:23:43 ◼   ► teeter totter and then he would shoot you up in the air and then you'd be the, you know,

00:23:47 ◼   ► You'd just go side to side and there were balloons to pop.

00:23:51 ◼   ► It was Breakout, really.

00:23:54 ◼   ► But instead of, you know, I don't know what the premise in Breakout was, you were clowns

00:23:58 ◼   ► popping balloons.

00:23:59 ◼   ► AG Yeah, my one friend with the 2600 must not have had that game because I never had

00:24:04 ◼   ► one.

00:24:05 ◼   ► DAVE It was good and it didn't look good.

00:24:06 ◼   ► It sounded so stupid because it didn't have any spaceships, didn't have any guns.

00:24:10 ◼   ► I mean, you were, you know, the box showed you that you were a clown.

00:24:15 ◼   ► So it was one of those ones where we got it like when we got our family 2600 for Christmas,

00:24:19 ◼   ► but my sister and I never played it.

00:24:21 ◼   ► And then one day I was home sick, like I had the flu or something, missed school.

00:24:26 ◼   ► And I was sick of all...

00:24:27 ◼   ► I was sick, I was like ill, but I was also tired, bored of all the games I had.

00:24:34 ◼   ► And then I realized there was this circus Atari game that I'd never really played.

00:24:37 ◼   ► And I put it in and I had like seven continuous hours, just played it nonstop.

00:24:43 ◼   ► it up. It's a good one. But it would be – it was absolutely dependent upon the paddle.

00:24:49 ◼   ► It wouldn't make any sense with the joystick.

00:24:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:24:53 ◼   ► I think the latency was pretty good on those things. I seem to recall that you could get

00:24:58 ◼   ► – it was really – you could get very precise. I don't think – because I don't think

00:25:01 ◼   ► there was much – again, it could just be the haze of 20, 30 – I guess 30 years, jeez,

00:25:10 ◼   ► memories. But it seems, you know, it was very simple, you know, there really wasn't much

00:25:16 ◼   ► going on. There wasn't much processing going on. I mean, it was just electrical impulses

00:25:20 ◼   ► from the paddle into the thing and then just shooting them up on the TV.

00:25:24 ◼   ► AG: There's a great book on this that I have not read but I keep meaning to called "Racing

00:25:28 ◼   ► the Beam."

00:25:29 ◼   ► AG Yeah. I think I got a copy of that book, like a courtesy copy, as the writer of "Daring

00:25:36 ◼   ► And it's like I never read it, but it's somewhere on my list of books

00:25:40 ◼   ► I actually want to read. Yeah, and I think the title is a reference to the practice of trying to do computations

00:25:46 ◼   ► You know the electron beam is scanning left to right left to right doing a rows at a time of the television in your CRT

00:25:52 ◼   ► And it was you know there wasn't enough memory to do anything for an entire screen image

00:25:55 ◼   ► So what you would do is do some calculations and the beam would start to draw them

00:25:58 ◼   ► And then you would ditch what you did and start doing new

00:26:01 ◼   ► Calculations before the beam got to the row that you were figuring out what it was going to look like right?

00:26:05 ◼   ► I think that's what it's a reference to.

00:26:07 ◼   ► Again, not having read the book, I'm surmising based on.

00:26:10 ◼   ► But that's what makes me think it must have been pretty darn

00:26:13 ◼   ► responsive, is that you just had so little to work with

00:26:15 ◼   ► and so little to do that how could you take time

00:26:17 ◼   ► to do anything?

00:26:18 ◼   ► Because everything just had to respond immediately.

00:26:24 ◼   ► There was no big, long, hard thinking

00:26:26 ◼   ► about what you were going to do.

00:26:28 ◼   ► You didn't have time.

00:26:28 ◼   ► You just had to figure out what the dots were going to be

00:26:30 ◼   ► and throw them up on the screen and react to input immediately.

00:26:34 ◼   ► one of my friends from college... I don't think he listens... I don't know if he listens to this show, but if he's out there...

00:26:38 ◼   ► hello Andrew Ross, a good friend from college, but I know he reads the site.

00:26:42 ◼   ► And he

00:26:46 ◼   ► corrected me a couple weeks ago. Somehow Pac-Man came up on Daring Fireball

00:26:51 ◼   ► and I called the bad guys "ghosts."

00:26:54 ◼   ► But they weren't ghosts, they were monsters. That was the...

00:26:58 ◼   ► you know, what were the bad guys in Pac-Man according to the official game?

00:27:02 ◼   ► They were

00:27:03 ◼   ► monsters but Atari called them ghosts for the pac-man version or the Atari

00:27:08 ◼   ► version of pac-man because they couldn't figure out a way to animate all for them

00:27:15 ◼   ► at the same time and so they they would draw each of them only 1/4 at the time

00:27:20 ◼   ► and so they looked flickery and transparent because they were only

00:27:23 ◼   ► drawing one at a time of the four ghosts or the four monsters so they just they

00:27:28 ◼   ► just instead of calling it a bug they just said rename them ghosts and called

00:27:32 ◼   ► it a feature.

00:27:33 ◼   ► Well, they do look kind of like ghosts.

00:27:35 ◼   ► They do look kind of like something

00:27:36 ◼   ► with a sheet over its head with two eye holes cut

00:27:39 ◼   ► and a ragged bottom to the sheet.

00:27:42 ◼   ► So it fit quite well.

00:27:43 ◼   ► But the monstrous thing, it just sounds

00:27:45 ◼   ► like a bad translation of whatever the word is

00:27:49 ◼   ► in Japan for these things.

00:27:50 ◼   ► And like, well, that roughly means monster, whatever.

00:27:52 ◼   ► It's a video game.

00:27:53 ◼   ► Who cares?

00:27:54 ◼   ► It probably came out because of your-- what do you call it?

00:27:57 ◼   ► Talk?

00:27:57 ◼   ► Didn't you do that at Webstock?

00:27:59 ◼   ► No, you know what?

00:28:00 ◼   ► I think, well, maybe it was.

00:28:02 ◼   ► Maybe it was.

00:28:03 ◼   ► Maybe it was my web-- maybe that's what it was.

00:28:05 ◼   ► Because I don't even think I linked to that talk

00:28:07 ◼   ► down there on Fireball, though.

00:28:08 ◼   ► But maybe he just saw it because somebody else--

00:28:10 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know how I saw it, but I came up on a Twitter feed

00:28:13 ◼   ► or whatever.

00:28:13 ◼   ► Maybe just the web stock account and someone retweeted it

00:28:15 ◼   ► or whatever.

00:28:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:16 ◼   ► And I do think, though, that you're right, though,

00:28:18 ◼   ► and the reason that I remember them as ghosts is because they

00:28:20 ◼   ► do.

00:28:21 ◼   ► They have that classic sheet over a head look.

00:28:26 ◼   ► Like from a Charlie Brown special.

00:28:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:29 ◼   ► I didn't see any kids dressed like that today.

00:28:31 ◼   ► You don't see that.

00:28:32 ◼   ► Me neither.

00:28:33 ◼   ► You see any good costumes on the kids?

00:28:36 ◼   ► Eh, that's all right.

00:28:38 ◼   ► I mean, we don't get a lot of kids here.

00:28:39 ◼   ► We get like maybe three quarters of a bowl of candy's worth of kids.

00:28:44 ◼   ► It's mostly like younger kids with parents.

00:28:47 ◼   ► Some of them are cute, but nothing super impressive.

00:28:50 ◼   ► Also this year, not a lot of the kids who are not really dressed up like the kids who

00:28:54 ◼   ► are a little bit too old to be trick or treating and didn't even put in the effort to put on

00:28:57 ◼   ► of thing, but just want free candy.

00:29:01 ◼   ► When we do trick or treating, usually my wife goes out

00:29:03 ◼   ► with the kids, and I am the person who mans the house,

00:29:06 ◼   ► so we can hand out candy and be a good neighbor or whatever.

00:29:11 ◼   ► And let me tell you, you can learn not everything

00:29:14 ◼   ► you need to know, but you can learn a hell of a lot

00:29:16 ◼   ► in about three seconds about every kid that

00:29:18 ◼   ► comes to your door based on how they deal with the candy

00:29:21 ◼   ► situation.

00:29:22 ◼   ► Because some people, when you come to their door,

00:29:25 ◼   ► they let you know immediately how it's going to be.

00:29:27 ◼   ► I just simply extend the bowl and do not offer any advice about how many candies you should

00:29:33 ◼   ► take or anything like that.

00:29:35 ◼   ► Some kids ask, "How many can we take?"

00:29:37 ◼   ► Some kids don't ask and just take one.

00:29:39 ◼   ► Some kids don't ask and take two hands full.

00:29:43 ◼   ► Some kids try to take one and say, "Thank you," but then rotate around their friend

00:29:46 ◼   ► and come on the other side and take another one and say, "Thank you."

00:29:49 ◼   ► And you could just like, "I should be taking these kids' names down."

00:29:52 ◼   ► "Uh-huh.

00:29:53 ◼   ► All right.

00:29:54 ◼   ► I got your number.

00:29:55 ◼   ► Yep.

00:29:56 ◼   ► Okay.

00:29:57 ◼   ► It is a 30-second personality test for young children, how they deal with that bowl of

00:30:03 ◼   ► candy.

00:30:04 ◼   ► John: Jonas would certainly be a take one.

00:30:08 ◼   ► He's very…

00:30:09 ◼   ► John: Without asking?

00:30:10 ◼   ► Like, how many do we have?

00:30:12 ◼   ► John; If you extended it, the bowl, then he would reach in and very selectively pick whatever,

00:30:19 ◼   ► take a look and pick one thing that he thought looked best.

00:30:22 ◼   ► John; The people asking, like…

00:30:24 ◼   ► It's also about the way they ask.

00:30:25 ◼   ► Some people are asking is they just want to make sure they're not doing anything bad,

00:30:29 ◼   ► but they're also asking because they're hoping the answer is not one.

00:30:32 ◼   ► And I give different answers to different kids, because I'm running an experiment here.

00:30:36 ◼   ► Depending on how the kids look or whatever, sometimes they say one, sometimes they say

00:30:40 ◼   ► two.

00:30:41 ◼   ► Really, towards the end of the night, I want the bowl to be depleted so I don't have leftover

00:30:44 ◼   ► candy, so I give higher numbers.

00:30:45 ◼   ► But then occasionally, the kids will come and I'll see a couple of greedy people in

00:30:48 ◼   ► there and one of their friends will ask and I'll say, "One, actually."

00:30:51 ◼   ► You know, like not like, I'm just like, one,

00:30:54 ◼   ► I'm trying not to interfere with the experiment,

00:30:55 ◼   ► but fascinating, I should film it.

00:30:59 ◼   ► - You should tell them, take what you feel you deserve.

00:31:01 ◼   ► - No, that's let your conscience be your guide

00:31:03 ◼   ► is what I almost say to these kids,

00:31:05 ◼   ► but I feel like they'll, you know,

00:31:06 ◼   ► I don't wanna be the weird house.

00:31:08 ◼   ► - Take what you've earned.

00:31:12 ◼   ► - Right.

00:31:13 ◼   ► - What kind of candy do you give out?

00:31:15 ◼   ► - My wife buys it, it's just, you know,

00:31:17 ◼   ► little miniatures, you know, I responded to Marco

00:31:21 ◼   ► and Tiff's tweet about their candy and which candy do you think would go first. And I read

00:31:26 ◼   ► it late so I didn't get the answer, but I knew what the answer would be.

00:31:28 ◼   ► I didn't see it. What were the options? I didn't see the tweet.

00:31:30 ◼   ► It was like Whoppers, Dots, like little Jolly Rancher looking things, and Butterfingers,

00:31:39 ◼   ► I think. And maybe they weren't Jolly Ranchers. They might have been gum. But the kids, I've

00:31:44 ◼   ► learned this from doing Halloween, they love the crappiest candy, whatever it is, just like sugar,

00:31:50 ◼   ► Just like nerds or you know like dots for the first one to go there just terrible

00:31:54 ◼   ► You know completely sugar-candy my memory from childhood is that you always go for the chocolate first even when we were little so you

00:32:01 ◼   ► crazy

00:32:01 ◼   ► Snickers bar versus anything else like you're not gonna who wants a jolly ranch or who wants a piece of gum who wants nerds who?

00:32:07 ◼   ► Wants dots everyone wanted chocolate but kids these days they want Sour Patch kids they want dots

00:32:13 ◼   ► They want skittles like and we and what we get is you know Snickers bars Milky Way bars Three Musketeers

00:32:19 ◼   ► Butter fingers and also, you know Skittles and some other type of candy and the terrible crap sugar candy always goes first

00:32:26 ◼   ► And it boggles my mind. Yeah, I think I've told this story before I think back on the old show with

00:32:32 ◼   ► Dan but the the gold standard

00:32:35 ◼   ► For me and on my neighborhood growing up as a kid was always

00:32:40 ◼   ► Full size pack of

00:32:43 ◼   ► Reese's peanut butter cups. They hold two packs, right? You'd get two whole peanut butter cups or

00:32:50 ◼   ► some other similar full-size milk chocolate covered candy bar. A full Snickers or a full

00:32:57 ◼   ► Hershey bar. A lot of people are doing that. Like, it's a trend. I mean, and Andy Inako just posted

00:33:04 ◼   ► that that's what he was doing. But like the full-size ones, that would start to get spendy

00:33:07 ◼   ► with the amount of kids that we get. And honestly, but I don't think their parents would probably

00:33:12 ◼   ► give us the stink eye of giving like this two-year-old kid a Snickers bar the size of his

00:33:16 ◼   ► forearm. It's not, you know, I know what it's like to have kids. At least with the small ones, you can

00:33:21 ◼   ► say, "Okay, you can have one candy," and they eat one and they're not wired all night. You eat one of

00:33:25 ◼   ► those Snickers bars. That's too much. I remember there was this Dnavich family in my neighborhood

00:33:30 ◼   ► growing up, and Mrs. Dnavich was always really into Halloween. She was just one of those moms who

00:33:35 ◼   ► just loved it. They had a pretty cool house, and it had like a second floor porch. I don't know what

00:33:41 ◼   ► what you call it, like a balcony/porch on the second floor.

00:33:44 ◼   ► And they always, every year, they hung up like a witch.

00:33:47 ◼   ► Like, she probably-- it was one of those tricks of perspective

00:33:51 ◼   ► where I'm sure in real life she wasn't actually

00:33:54 ◼   ► a five-foot tall mannequin.

00:33:57 ◼   ► She's probably more like four feet tall or something.

00:33:59 ◼   ► But from the street, it looked like a full-sized witch

00:34:01 ◼   ► on a broom hanging up there and some kind of lighting

00:34:06 ◼   ► to light her up and it looked great.

00:34:08 ◼   ► She always gave out full-size candy bars.

00:34:10 ◼   ► Because she knew me, because I was around the corner,

00:34:16 ◼   ► she would let me take two.

00:34:17 ◼   ► And CNN, I would be like, really?

00:34:19 ◼   ► I would think, is this a trick?

00:34:21 ◼   ► I'm going to get in trouble when I accept the second one, right?

00:34:25 ◼   ► This can't be true.

00:34:26 ◼   ► Second one's filled with razor blades, though.

00:34:28 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:34:32 ◼   ► Is that still a thing?

00:34:33 ◼   ► Does that ever--

00:34:33 ◼   ► I don't think kids know about that these days.

00:34:35 ◼   ► These days, when the kids come, we

00:34:37 ◼   ► have a separate bowl for peanut free.

00:34:38 ◼   ► That's the level things are in our neighborhood.

00:34:42 ◼   ► And the kids come and they ask for it.

00:34:43 ◼   ► They say, do you have any peanut free?

00:34:45 ◼   ► And I say, actually, I do.

00:34:46 ◼   ► Here you go.

00:34:48 ◼   ► Ready for it.

00:34:49 ◼   ► Yeah, the razor blade thing.

00:34:51 ◼   ► That's got to be one of those things that never actually

00:34:53 ◼   ► happened.

00:34:54 ◼   ► No, I don't think it ever did.

00:34:55 ◼   ► But just the thought of it was just-- it was enough.

00:34:59 ◼   ► You just turn it over in your mind as a little kid.

00:35:01 ◼   ► It's like, I love candy.

00:35:02 ◼   ► I love Halloween.

00:35:03 ◼   ► But biting into a piece of candy and finding a straight razor

00:35:06 ◼   ► cutting into the roof of my mouth would not be good.

00:35:09 ◼   ► It didn't stop you.

00:35:10 ◼   ► You'd still get the candy and you'd delete it.

00:35:11 ◼   ► And I remember the other one too was--

00:35:15 ◼   ► I don't know if it was because somebody figured it out

00:35:18 ◼   ► that, hey, it doesn't even make that-- it would actually

00:35:19 ◼   ► be kind of hard to put a razor blade in a candy bar

00:35:22 ◼   ► and then seal it back up.

00:35:24 ◼   ► The other one was that there were rumors that some people

00:35:27 ◼   ► put straight pins in them.

00:35:29 ◼   ► Yeah, it's easier to sneak in there.

00:35:32 ◼   ► The thing was they'd give you an apple,

00:35:33 ◼   ► and the apple would have the tiny, thin, straight razor in it.

00:35:36 ◼   ► And that, you could sneak in there.

00:35:37 ◼   ► And that's just like, you know how you bite into an apple.

00:35:39 ◼   ► You don't want a razor blade being involved there.

00:35:41 ◼   ► But yeah, that's all just things to scare kids as far as--

00:35:44 ◼   ► I've never read an actual documented case of it

00:35:46 ◼   ► really happening, which is pretty amazing considering

00:35:48 ◼   ► how prevalent that myth was and how much copycat people do

00:35:52 ◼   ► crazy things like that.

00:35:53 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:35:54 ◼   ► Nobody would ever think to do it until it

00:35:56 ◼   ► became a prevalent meme.

00:35:59 ◼   ► And then all sorts of weirdos would think, well,

00:36:01 ◼   ► maybe I should do that.

00:36:02 ◼   ► I guess maybe weirdos have trouble attracting children to their houses on Halloween.

00:36:06 ◼   ► Because there really are things.

00:36:08 ◼   ► I don't really think it was ever a thing where that was an actual problem, but I know that

00:36:12 ◼   ► there were things where you can take your Halloween candy to the emergency room and

00:36:16 ◼   ► get them X-rayed.

00:36:17 ◼   ► I mean, that's like an actual thing in some places.

00:36:20 ◼   ► And it's like, imagine if you actually suffered some kind of accident or injury on Halloween

00:36:26 ◼   ► and you're waiting—you always wait too long in the emergency room.

00:36:30 ◼   ► And then you gotta sit there and wait for kids to get their damn Snickers X-rayed?

00:36:34 ◼   ► I got their candy irradiated.

00:36:36 ◼   ► Right.

00:36:37 ◼   ► Yeah, they do stuff like that that just makes parents feel better.

00:36:41 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:36:42 ◼   ► I guess they could offer that as a service at the airport, too.

00:36:44 ◼   ► Like, take one of the TSA lines and let kids walk through with their candy and see if it

00:36:48 ◼   ► sets it off.

00:36:49 ◼   ► No, then you'll just see the candy, like, naked without the wrapper, but you won't actually

00:36:52 ◼   ► see what's inside it.

00:36:56 ◼   ► see all the gummy bears genitalia.

00:37:05 ◼   ► Smooth as Ken doll.

00:37:07 ◼   ► Mavericks.

00:37:08 ◼   ► Have you gotten used to the name?

00:37:13 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm fine with it.

00:37:15 ◼   ► I mean, in the grand scheme of things, it's weird and awkward, but it's fine.

00:37:21 ◼   ► It's not like MacBook.

00:37:22 ◼   ► It's not like Wii.

00:37:23 ◼   ► It's not embarrassing.

00:37:24 ◼   ► It's just eccentric, which is fine.

00:37:27 ◼   ► Right. And apparently it did start. I read that the story behind the name of the location was that,

00:37:34 ◼   ► you know, at some point in the 60s, I guess it didn't even have a name until then when, you know,

00:37:38 ◼   ► like surfing culture got to be big. And then a bunch of, you know, hippie surfers in the 60s

00:37:44 ◼   ► found this great beach. And one of them had a dog named Maverick. And that somehow that's,

00:37:49 ◼   ► and who knows if it's apocryphal or not, but that it came from that the beach was Maverick's,

00:37:54 ◼   ► because that's where the dog Maverick hung out while his owner surfed.

00:37:58 ◼   ► So you were joining a long, distinguished line of people who have been telling me the origin of the

00:38:04 ◼   ► name by reciting to me or summarizing to me the very thing that I linked in the paragraph where

00:38:11 ◼   ► I discussed the name. And I know everyone doesn't follow every link, but it's like,

00:38:14 ◼   ► I linked that in the review. I read it on the iPad. There's too many links.

00:38:17 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I will stay to be here. But the point is, yeah, lots of people are like,

00:38:20 ◼   ► you may not know this, but Mavericks is actually blah, blah, blah. So, you know, a lot of people

00:38:24 ◼   ► were just simply reciting or copying and pasting the actual page I link, which is like the Wikipedia

00:38:29 ◼   ► page about the thing. And the second strain of corrections to this is people saying,

00:38:33 ◼   ► "It's not actually plural. You see, it's possessive because..." And again, this is mentioned in the

00:38:36 ◼   ► Wikipedia. It's not, you know, it's possessive, blah, blah, blah. One person had the presence

00:38:40 ◼   ► of mind to link to the other thing, which was my second go-to that I was going to link to this,

00:38:44 ◼   ► but I didn't want to have too many links. See? I just linked to the Wikipedia page. Page explaining

00:38:49 ◼   ► that when they do place names and they're possessive, they tend to drop the apostrophes.

00:38:52 ◼   ► Like, that has historical precedent, you know, Saint Mary's or whatever. It's, you know,

00:38:56 ◼   ► S-T period Mary's, but without the apostrophe S. So yeah, no, I totally understand where the name

00:39:02 ◼   ► comes from. I understand what it is. But, you know, if you don't know the backstory and you see

00:39:07 ◼   ► "Mavericks," it reads as plural. And most people don't know or care or understand the backstory,

00:39:12 ◼   ► and that's why it's awkwardly plural. Is it really plural? Is it, you know, it's either awkwardly

00:39:15 ◼   ► plural or awkwardly possessive, but you know, whatever you decide. But there's a certain

00:39:19 ◼   ► awkwardness to it. But, you know, maverick is a word that people know and like, and it's

00:39:23 ◼   ► distinctive, and hey, it's not a cat, right? So, you know, we're off in a new direction,

00:39:27 ◼   ► and there are plenty of places in California to go to next.

00:39:30 ◼   ► Does McDonald's still have the apostrophe? I'm looking it up.

00:39:34 ◼   ► Friendly's dropped it. Remember that?

00:39:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:39:37 ◼   ► Or, for now, Friendly's dropped—it used to be just "friendly," like, singular.

00:39:40 ◼   ► Yeah, or was that—did they switch to—

00:39:44 ◼   ► They added the apostrophe S because everybody called it "Friendlies."

00:39:48 ◼   ► And so it used to be singular, "Friendly."

00:39:50 ◼   ► And for the longest time, we had one near where

00:39:53 ◼   ► I grew up that had a sign, like a big fancy sign on a brick building that

00:39:56 ◼   ► didn't have the apostrophe S on it.

00:39:58 ◼   ► And I would tell people, you know the place is actually named Friendly, right?

00:40:01 ◼   ► And they'd be like, no.

00:40:01 ◼   ► I'm like, come look at the sign.

00:40:02 ◼   ► And they would swear that sign says Friendly until you get up there

00:40:05 ◼   ► and look at it, see?

00:40:05 ◼   ► No apostrophe S. And then it's like, oh, it must have fallen off.

00:40:08 ◼   ► Nope.

00:40:08 ◼   ► Didn't fall off.

00:40:09 ◼   ► But they gave in.

00:40:10 ◼   ► We had two in my vague hometown area growing up.

00:40:15 ◼   ► And one of them was a Friendly's and one was a Friendly.

00:40:18 ◼   ► And I noticed stuff like that.

00:40:21 ◼   ► And I always wondered-- and this is before you could look stuff up on the internet.

00:40:24 ◼   ► I always wondered whether perhaps they were two rival brands.

00:40:28 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:40:28 ◼   ► Yeah, like McDowell's.

00:40:30 ◼   ► Right.

00:40:30 ◼   ► That some jerk started Friendly after Friendly's started because they didn't

00:40:38 ◼   ► register the trademark on the non-possessive or something like that.

00:40:41 ◼   ► You can get a sundae and a Yankees cup.

00:40:42 ◼   ► Because all I could think was otherwise it doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't you enforce

00:40:46 ◼   ► consistency across all of your franchises?

00:40:48 ◼   ► Well, they did slowly. Do you have one of those still or did you remember getting those? It was

00:40:52 ◼   ► like the upside-down plastic baseball cap.

00:40:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:55 ◼   ► You can get a sundae in it. I still think I have a Yankees version of that somewhere.

00:40:58 ◼   ► I don't know if I got one at Friendly or where I got that, but I do remember having a little,

00:41:04 ◼   ► Yeah, like a little plastic batting helmet, roughly the size of a scoop of ice cream.

00:41:11 ◼   ► It's a pretty good deal considering the crap that you get with like Happy Meals and stuff now.

00:41:15 ◼   ► They just gave you that as the thing they served your ice cream in, and you take it home,

00:41:18 ◼   ► and you got a nice little--

00:41:19 ◼   ► Yeah, something you might actually want to keep.

00:41:21 ◼   ► And I'm assuming it was licensed from Major League Baseball and was the real logo on it.

00:41:24 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm sure. Had to be. McDonald's still has the apostrophe.

00:41:28 ◼   ► Although I wonder, did you have like Phillies hats or something? I didn't really think about it,

00:41:33 ◼   ► about doing we had Yankees things I don't know if I don't know how I got the

00:41:37 ◼   ► one I had a Yankees one I don't know if there's back in the old days when the

00:41:40 ◼   ► only one they just assumed the entire country recognized the Yankees supremacy

00:41:45 ◼   ► and just about the whole country gets Yankees hats right I don't know if I

00:41:48 ◼   ► don't know how that I don't know or I you know for all I know I don't remember

00:41:51 ◼   ► getting it I just remember having and for all I know somebody some relative of

00:41:55 ◼   ► mine got it somewhere else and you know let's get one of those for John keep it

00:41:59 ◼   ► form. I don't know. But I remember having the little hat.

00:42:04 ◼   ► I keep trailing off Mavericks and going off into baseball.

00:42:11 ◼   ► Yeah. And friendlies.

00:42:12 ◼   ► I really thought this would be the show where there wasn't any baseball. The episode where

00:42:15 ◼   ► there's no baseball.

00:42:16 ◼   ► Well, hey, how could it not be like this could have been preempted by game seven?

00:42:19 ◼   ► Yeah, it could have been. I had a bad feeling about the Cardinals.

00:42:25 ◼   ► And watch any of it. I'm not paying attention to it at all, but my Twitter feed is still

00:42:28 ◼   ► So I feel like I'm like a contact contact high from baseball talk.

00:42:33 ◼   ► I was talking to my dad.

00:42:36 ◼   ► My dad's a big baseball fan, and we were talking the other day.

00:42:39 ◼   ► And I guess he does not like-- I've said this on the show many times-- he does not like

00:42:42 ◼   ► the American League.

00:42:43 ◼   ► He doesn't like the designated hitter role.

00:42:45 ◼   ► So he just, you know, he watches sports, and he likes baseball, but he doesn't watch a

00:42:49 ◼   ► lot of-- it won't just-- like if it's two American League teams playing on TV on ESPN

00:42:53 ◼   ► or something, he won't watch.

00:42:56 ◼   ► So he was really kind of unaware of the whole beard situation

00:42:59 ◼   ► with the Red Sox until--

00:43:00 ◼   ► I mean, he'd heard about it.

00:43:02 ◼   ► But then he was watching the World Series.

00:43:03 ◼   ► And he was like--

00:43:04 ◼   ► he said that the Red Sox looked like the type of guys.

00:43:08 ◼   ► If you saw a couple of them in the bus station,

00:43:10 ◼   ► you'd just walk the other way.

00:43:13 ◼   ► Yeah, I knew about the beard thing, but only like,

00:43:15 ◼   ► you know, academically, like I understood the concept.

00:43:18 ◼   ► And then I'd caught a piece of a game.

00:43:19 ◼   ► And I'm like, all right, this is out of control.

00:43:22 ◼   ► Someone had a good tweet.

00:43:23 ◼   ► I forget who it was.

00:43:24 ◼   ► It might have actually been Dan Poger.

00:43:26 ◼   ► No, maybe it was a comedian saying, after the series,

00:43:28 ◼   ► the Red Sox are going to go back to their normal jobs

00:43:31 ◼   ► of driving a carriage for the Amish.

00:43:35 ◼   ► Like, they were just some serious beard,

00:43:37 ◼   ► like Jebediah caliber beards poking out of these people

00:43:41 ◼   ► here.

00:43:43 ◼   ► They just look like the type of people who don't bathe.

00:43:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:43:47 ◼   ► They don't.

00:43:48 ◼   ► It's not a good look on a lot of them.

00:43:50 ◼   ► Being looking a little scruffy is good,

00:43:52 ◼   ► But once it goes out into Amish/homeless person,

00:43:57 ◼   ► that's just too much.

00:43:59 ◼   ► It doesn't look classy.

00:44:02 ◼   ► No, it does not.

00:44:03 ◼   ► I don't know enough about baseball to know.

00:44:08 ◼   ► I see you making the comments about the weird alternate

00:44:10 ◼   ► uniforms and stuff like that.

00:44:12 ◼   ► But all sports teams go through some awkward phase

00:44:15 ◼   ► with their outfits.

00:44:16 ◼   ► But if you had to pick a team that aesthetically

00:44:18 ◼   ► is the apple of baseball, it would

00:44:19 ◼   ► be the Yankees with the pinstripes.

00:44:21 ◼   ► It's like it's just classy and simple and straightforward.

00:44:24 ◼   ► And even their logo is--

00:44:26 ◼   ► it's not like a weird teal-looking thing.

00:44:29 ◼   ► Red Sox have a certain class to them.

00:44:31 ◼   ► But when you have someone with a big giant beard

00:44:33 ◼   ► and the bright saturated red, it starts

00:44:35 ◼   ► to look a little bit Ronald McDonald.

00:44:38 ◼   ► It did accentuate the un-Yankeyness of the Red Sox.

00:44:45 ◼   ► Yankees, in fact, famously have always

00:44:48 ◼   ► had a grooming code.

00:44:53 ◼   ► In the '70s and maybe even early '80s,

00:44:56 ◼   ► when men's fashion was such that the hairstyles were longer,

00:45:01 ◼   ► the Yankees would occasionally get dinged by George Steinbrenner

00:45:03 ◼   ► like, hey, you got to go get a haircut.

00:45:05 ◼   ► So they have a Don Mattingly exception?

00:45:07 ◼   ► Mattingly got in trouble for his hair at one point

00:45:11 ◼   ► later in his career.

00:45:13 ◼   ► And it just became a weird thing.

00:45:16 ◼   ► It was just sort of like an 80s mullet type look.

00:45:18 ◼   ► And it wasn't really long hair.

00:45:19 ◼   ► But I don't know.

00:45:20 ◼   ► It was like Steinbrenner got a bee in his bonnet over it.

00:45:25 ◼   ► But Mattingly was already like the team captain

00:45:28 ◼   ► and a perennial all-star.

00:45:29 ◼   ► And I just remember as a kid thinking,

00:45:31 ◼   ► boy, what a silly thing for the Yankees

00:45:34 ◼   ► to be worried about because they stunk at the time.

00:45:37 ◼   ► And also the facial hair.

00:45:39 ◼   ► It's like working at Disney or something like that

00:45:42 ◼   ► when you're on the Yankees.

00:45:43 ◼   ► You can't have--

00:45:44 ◼   ► I can't scare the kids.

00:45:45 ◼   ► Matt only had the big handlebar, right?

00:45:47 ◼   ► Right.

00:45:47 ◼   ► You could have a mustache.

00:45:48 ◼   ► Couldn't have a beard, though.

00:45:49 ◼   ► I think the most you can get away with is--

00:45:53 ◼   ► I know that there's some pitchers, a lot of pitchers,

00:45:56 ◼   ► who don't like to shave before they pitch.

00:45:58 ◼   ► So you can go like three or four days without shaving.

00:46:01 ◼   ► You don't have to shave every day, but you can't grow a beard.

00:46:05 ◼   ► I guess catchers can be Quasimodo.

00:46:07 ◼   ► Doesn't matter what they look like.

00:46:08 ◼   ► Yeah, nobody ever sees their face.

00:46:11 ◼   ► Nobody ever sees their face.

00:46:12 ◼   ► No one ever sees their face or their prehensile tails.

00:46:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:46:17 ◼   ► Are you sad to see the big cat names go?

00:46:20 ◼   ► No, because I think they were out.

00:46:21 ◼   ► Like, I would have liked to see a lynx in there somewhere.

00:46:23 ◼   ► I think that's the only one that they left on the floor.

00:46:26 ◼   ► Because I think that's kind of a cool name.

00:46:28 ◼   ► It's got an X in it.

00:46:29 ◼   ► It's interesting.

00:46:30 ◼   ► But that would have to be kind of like a middle name.

00:46:31 ◼   ► And once you go lion, where can you go?

00:46:33 ◼   ► I mean, even mountain lion's a cop out.

00:46:34 ◼   ► Like, yeah, I guess it's like lion, but different.

00:46:37 ◼   ► But mountain lion is-- you know, mountain lion

00:46:39 ◼   ► is nothing compared to lion.

00:46:40 ◼   ► It's not lightning bug and lightning, but it's close.

00:46:42 ◼   ► Yeah, and snow leopard was sort of it worked on two levels where it got them an extra year without coming up with a new cat

00:46:50 ◼   ► And it really did fit that that release in terms of it famously being the look

00:46:56 ◼   ► Quote-unquote no new features release and snow leopards look cool. Yeah, like I mean a lot of it, you know

00:47:02 ◼   ► You get a pic cool links is probably don't look that cool, but the name is cool

00:47:06 ◼   ► So that's probably the only one they do and it's kind of a shame

00:47:09 ◼   ► They never got to like when they did cheetah and puma they were not into the putting the cat branding out in your face

00:47:14 ◼   ► Yeah

00:47:15 ◼   ► Like yeah

00:47:16 ◼   ► There was just behind the scenes and then they burned those two names and like and cheetah is great as like the ultimate inside joke

00:47:21 ◼   ► But the people who are putting out that oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What are we gonna start with? Yeah, we're gonna call us when cheetah

00:47:25 ◼   ► I know I even want yeah, I tend to think I don't even know if that's the origin if it was it wasn't like hey

00:47:32 ◼   ► Let's give them big cat names. It was oh my god. This thing is so slow. Let's call it cheetah

00:47:38 ◼   ► Internally and then somehow it's stuck

00:47:40 ◼   ► Yeah

00:47:40 ◼   ► And then as the wine names which at least they had the good sense the marketing department had the good sense not to try to

00:47:45 ◼   ► Go with the wine names, which they continue to have

00:47:47 ◼   ► Do that. I don't know about this. Yeah, they all the OS releases. I think all of them have have you know a

00:47:53 ◼   ► Super secret code name, especially now that the when the code names became, you know

00:47:57 ◼   ► It started with Jaguar where they started to become the marketing names as well

00:48:00 ◼   ► They have wine names and I get I'm assuming it's Bertrand

00:48:03 ◼   ► I mean, you know gonna go with that but like I even up to line

00:48:06 ◼   ► I think lion was like Barolo or something. I don't drink wine, so I don't know a lot of wine name

00:48:10 ◼   ► So what Pino was it was maybe?

00:48:12 ◼   ► 10 3 or something

00:48:15 ◼   ► I don't remember the name some some Apple person could send you an email and tell you what all the wine names were and are

00:48:19 ◼   ► But if you if you like

00:48:21 ◼   ► Gripped through the various shell scripts and other readable things occasionally you can find a comment or a reference to a name of a wine

00:48:28 ◼   ► And that's what they're talking about

00:48:30 ◼   ► Do we I forget if I talked about this and if I did I would think it might have been when you were on the show

00:48:36 ◼   ► Also could have been in person like at WWDC. I don't know but if I'm repeating myself forgive me

00:48:41 ◼   ► I don't know. I forget what it's been on this show three months ago

00:48:44 ◼   ► But the other names that were went unused

00:48:49 ◼   ► But couldn't for obvious reasons. I was talking to somebody at Apple about him was you know

00:48:55 ◼   ► How could they if they wanted to how could they have gotten another cat?

00:48:58 ◼   ► Cougar

00:49:01 ◼   ► Which they didn't want to use for the connotation and pop culture of you know, older women who chase young men

00:49:07 ◼   ► But cougar is a pretty cool, you know until recently I think they could have used that I think that that usage of cougar is

00:49:16 ◼   ► kind of a

00:49:18 ◼   ► Modern thing and I think they could have gotten over that

00:49:21 ◼   ► I don't I don't know that the that the snickering over calling a version cougar would have lasted any longer than the snickering over

00:49:29 ◼   ► iPad yeah, you know it would have blown over and it was perfectly serviceable name right you know what uh what is it?

00:49:34 ◼   ► It's you know what are they gonna call the big one the maxi pad?

00:49:37 ◼   ► You know I think Cougars if you know I mean there was John Cougar Mellencamp, and it's pretty cool cat

00:49:43 ◼   ► What was the other one I

00:49:48 ◼   ► Can't remember there was one more that they could also ocelot

00:49:52 ◼   ► ocelot is

00:49:55 ◼   ► You know is one. I think I

00:49:58 ◼   ► could swear I've had this conversation before I just can't remember if it was on the show or not Jonas used to play and

00:50:03 ◼   ► When he was the seven and eight year old Little League teams

00:50:07 ◼   ► In the league he played here in Philly all the teams had big cat names

00:50:13 ◼   ► And I think that there were the ten or eleven teams in the league

00:50:17 ◼   ► So it was a little bit more than you know, the maybe there are twelve teams

00:50:21 ◼   ► So it was more than the OS releases and there there wasn't ocelots

00:50:26 ◼   ► Which I think is probably the worst I mean

00:50:28 ◼   ► It's you know most of the kids couldn't even spell that and the other cool cat that was one of his team names

00:50:34 ◼   ► And they I know that Apple considered it. I think if they've gone one more. This is the one they would have used was

00:50:39 ◼   ► Wildcats

00:50:42 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean like a lot of these names as you know any biologist points out

00:50:46 ◼   ► They're like different names for the same actual animal and then known by different names and wildcat

00:50:50 ◼   ► I'm assuming is you know similar type of things what the hell's a wildcat right right?

00:50:54 ◼   ► You know but like the wildcat is a one that definitely has you have to tie that to something

00:50:59 ◼   ► There has to be something wild about it like it right. You know Mavericks is like a little bit maverick

00:51:04 ◼   ► It's different or whatever, but not it's nothing like wildcat like wildcat could be like when you do

00:51:09 ◼   ► You know iOS six to seven type transition. Well. It's wildcat. It's wild you know whatever

00:51:13 ◼   ► But you can't just you can't just slap that on something like if they had called this one

00:51:17 ◼   ► Wildcat all the reviews would be like this isn't very wild

00:51:21 ◼   ► Even now like a lot of them were like it's even mine like it's not particularly maverick

00:51:26 ◼   ► Like I made that point in the end of it. It's like, you know, kind of like cheetah was the slowest maverick is

00:51:30 ◼   ► Not really, you know boldly asserting a you know new direction. It's kind of not maverick. I

00:51:37 ◼   ► I'm gonna I don't want to spoil it. I'm gonna assume I think you know, hopefully I think that you know

00:51:43 ◼   ► Anybody out there is listening

00:51:45 ◼   ► If you've had plenty of time to read

00:51:48 ◼   ► John's review so I mean I don't want to spoil it, but at the end you you said if it was if os10 were

00:51:54 ◼   ► Anthropomorphized you you cast as as os 10 woody allen

00:51:59 ◼   ► And you said ios would be the suave coolness of brad pitt this totally see brad pitt as ios

00:52:06 ◼   ► Anthropomorphized I wouldn't say woody allen now well

00:52:11 ◼   ► I say not not the os, but this particular release of the os because it's kind of like oh well

00:52:16 ◼   ► "Well, you know, I don't know about this whole wood thing.

00:52:19 ◼   ► We're gonna get the wood out there, but, you know, just I think everything is okay.

00:52:22 ◼   ► If we'll leave at the Felton Game Center..."

00:52:24 ◼   ► This is my Woody Allen impression.

00:52:25 ◼   ► That's pretty good.

00:52:26 ◼   ► I'm really enjoying that.

00:52:27 ◼   ► But, like, yeah, it's like Woody Allen is kind of cool in some of his movies, you know?

00:52:32 ◼   ► But he also can get easily flustered and seems uncertain, right?

00:52:36 ◼   ► And so this thing is like it's kind of got a little bit of, you know, Woody Allen is

00:52:42 ◼   ► smart and resourceful and introspective.

00:52:45 ◼   ► that was the subhead of this thing of like time for introspection.

00:52:47 ◼   ► It seems like OS X is like looking at stuff in the mirror and go,

00:52:50 ◼   ► "What am I going to do with my life?"

00:52:51 ◼   ► And it's wiped off a lot of the crap that was added to all those applications,

00:52:54 ◼   ► making them look like books and look like the iOS apps.

00:52:57 ◼   ► But that's all it's done to this point is wipe the stuff off.

00:52:59 ◼   ► Like it just smear, smear, smear, leather gone from calendar.

00:53:02 ◼   ► But it's not like, "Oh, let me just radically rethink all these applications."

00:53:06 ◼   ► And some of them it didn't even get time to clean up.

00:53:08 ◼   ► So it knows what it doesn't want to be,

00:53:11 ◼   ► but doesn't even have the time to rewind it.

00:53:13 ◼   ► And so that's why I'm looking for something that's like, you know, Woody Allen is—people

00:53:18 ◼   ► have different impressions of Woody Allen, so that's difficult to say. Most people would not

00:53:22 ◼   ► think of the Woody Allen—maybe if you're a neurotic New Yorker, you will look up to Woody Allen in

00:53:28 ◼   ► some degree, but other people might look at Woody Allen as just entirely like the sort of nervous,

00:53:33 ◼   ► sweating, fidgeting type of thing. But there are admirable things about Woody Allen, but he also

00:53:37 ◼   ► has that angle of uncertainty and always questioning himself. Yeah. I guess there is this

00:53:42 ◼   ► sort of introspection is a good way to put it, where that's really where most of the

00:53:49 ◼   ► changes in Mavericks are. I mean, it's very obvious. You don't even have to read a 24,000

00:53:56 ◼   ► word review to figure out that it doesn't really look different than before, other than,

00:54:01 ◼   ► as you said, in the case of specific apps that have been de-s-... Let's use the S-word,

00:54:08 ◼   ► skew skew amorphized is the f word before stalled before stalled right but

00:54:16 ◼   ► what did they end up looking like they've really all those apps you know

00:54:19 ◼   ► contacts and etc really just look like generic apps you know it it's just a

00:54:28 ◼   ► very straightforward right out of app kit well and I'm not even that because

00:54:33 ◼   ► if you had made them straight with app kit they would not be like they are what

00:54:36 ◼   ► What they are is like underneath that--

00:54:39 ◼   ► it's like makeup.

00:54:39 ◼   ► If you wipe off all that makeup underneath there,

00:54:41 ◼   ► it's like just the thing that was always under there.

00:54:43 ◼   ► Because it's strangely structured,

00:54:45 ◼   ► like contacts where they had the three panes out of the books

00:54:48 ◼   ► or whatever.

00:54:48 ◼   ► Yeah, you're right.

00:54:49 ◼   ► Once you get rid of the book art,

00:54:51 ◼   ► it's like, would I ever make this window

00:54:52 ◼   ► if I didn't know that previously it had started

00:54:54 ◼   ► as a book type thing?

00:54:55 ◼   ► And they made the three panes more or less

00:54:57 ◼   ► independently resizable so you can get it

00:54:58 ◼   ► into arrangements that would never

00:55:00 ◼   ► correspond to a book that always had

00:55:01 ◼   ► to be split down the middle.

00:55:02 ◼   ► But if you just started from scratch

00:55:04 ◼   ► and said, make me a contacts window,

00:55:05 ◼   ► you would never make a window like that.

00:55:06 ◼   ► It only makes sense if you look at, oh, I see it used to be covered with a book, you

00:55:10 ◼   ► know?

00:55:11 ◼   ► Or the notes application, oh, I see this used to be yellow-lined paper, and then this was

00:55:16 ◼   ► a sidebar.

00:55:17 ◼   ► Now it's just kind of like this beige thing.

00:55:18 ◼   ► You have to know where it came from for the current Windows to make sense.

00:55:21 ◼   ► Otherwise, they look kind of small and squinty and strange and use weird fonts and don't

00:55:24 ◼   ► look like Mac apps at all.

00:55:26 ◼   ► They look like iOS apps that have been scoured down.

00:55:30 ◼   ► That's more or less what they are.

00:55:31 ◼   ► And again, I assume it's because they didn't have time to do anything else.

00:55:33 ◼   ► They said well, we're sure as hell not not shipping that leather stuff anymore. That was the easiest one

00:55:38 ◼   ► Okay, just replace it with a gray header and throw a little bit of you know

00:55:42 ◼   ► Thin Helvetica in there for like the month name or whatever, but they're they're not entirely rethought. It's just like

00:55:47 ◼   ► You know backpedaling

00:55:50 ◼   ► Yeah notes in particular

00:55:52 ◼   ► I think really kind of sticks out cuz like you can like double click a note to open it into its own window

00:55:56 ◼   ► But it it doesn't have a standard

00:55:59 ◼   ► window title bar at all, it's like a

00:56:02 ◼   ► It used to be like a little yellow sticky note.

00:56:04 ◼   ► And now that they're not that yellow anymore,

00:56:06 ◼   ► now it's just like a weird window.

00:56:07 ◼   ► It doesn't make it-- doesn't read that well.

00:56:10 ◼   ► And like, reminders kept whatever

00:56:13 ◼   ► that crazy black stuff is.

00:56:14 ◼   ► It's like, well, they didn't have time to redo reminders.

00:56:16 ◼   ► They didn't have time to get to redo Game Centers.

00:56:18 ◼   ► There's too much graphics.

00:56:19 ◼   ► And all those people are too busy working on iOS 7 now,

00:56:21 ◼   ► and whatever.

00:56:24 ◼   ► It's sort of like-- if you want to go

00:56:28 ◼   ► with the anthropomorphized thing,

00:56:30 ◼   ► It's sort of like somebody who's sobered up after a long bender.

00:56:39 ◼   ► And Game Center is like the face tattoo?

00:56:42 ◼   ► Yeah, sort of.

00:56:43 ◼   ► Or maybe a face tattoo is a little tough, or a little out there.

00:56:49 ◼   ► But yeah.

00:56:49 ◼   ► I was going for the hangover, which I hadn't seen.

00:56:51 ◼   ► But it's the lampshade on the head.

00:56:53 ◼   ► And it's like, well, you woke up and you're just like, geez,

00:57:00 ◼   ► I'm just going to I'm just going to put on a t-shirt

00:57:02 ◼   ► Call it dressed

00:57:05 ◼   ► And but it did the introspection though I did you know so yeah the look and feel is obviously it's really just

00:57:14 ◼   ► Taking out those over-the-top

00:57:17 ◼   ► skeuomorphic resources and that's really the extent of

00:57:20 ◼   ► Significant changes to the way it looks I mean like you know they change the doc again, too

00:57:26 ◼   ► I mean like they always screw with the doc

00:57:28 ◼   ► The doc on the side looks different.

00:57:30 ◼   ► Like, you know.

00:57:30 ◼   ► There are so few user interface elements

00:57:33 ◼   ► that are guaranteed to be visible in OS X.

00:57:35 ◼   ► The doc is-- it's like the doc, the menu bar, and the window

00:57:38 ◼   ► title bar.

00:57:39 ◼   ► So like, that's the look of the OS.

00:57:40 ◼   ► Because there's not that much other surface area.

00:57:42 ◼   ► So any time they change the doc, it's like, well,

00:57:44 ◼   ► that's the one thing that you know

00:57:45 ◼   ► is going to be in people's faces.

00:57:47 ◼   ► And you know.

00:57:49 ◼   ► So most of the changes, you know,

00:57:51 ◼   ► how do you write a 24,000 word review

00:57:53 ◼   ► of an OS that didn't really change

00:57:55 ◼   ► that much the way it looks?

00:57:57 ◼   ► It's, you know, the stuff that's new is under the hood.

00:58:01 ◼   ► And it's really sort of a deep--

00:58:03 ◼   ► it is sort of introspective.

00:58:05 ◼   ► It's like, why are we doing this?

00:58:07 ◼   ► Why have we spent all this time over the decades letting

00:58:11 ◼   ► background processes consume as much CPU time as they could?

00:58:15 ◼   ► What is the purpose of the OS?

00:58:17 ◼   ► What is the job of the OS?

00:58:18 ◼   ► Job used to be like give every process all the resources it

00:58:22 ◼   ► needs, manage access to the hardware,

00:58:23 ◼   ► and coordinate them all, and have them just maximize it.

00:58:26 ◼   ► And now it's like the parent that was too permissive.

00:58:30 ◼   ► And it realizes, what is the purpose of being a parent?

00:58:32 ◼   ► Is it just to give your kid everything that they want?

00:58:34 ◼   ► Maybe not.

00:58:34 ◼   ► Like iOS, again, if you can't talk about the Mac without talking about iOS,

00:58:38 ◼   ► iOS showed-- because you had to, you had no choice.

00:58:41 ◼   ► Like you're on a phone, you can't have all that crap in the background.

00:58:44 ◼   ► And there's that story that I don't remember the source of this.

00:58:48 ◼   ► Maybe you do, like Steve Jobs, seeing the iPad.

00:58:50 ◼   ► I'm the source of the story.

00:58:52 ◼   ► I wanted to tell you this.

00:58:53 ◼   ► This is my story.

00:58:55 ◼   ► Well, I wasn't there, but I spoke to someone who was there.

00:59:00 ◼   ► It was after the original iPad was unveiled.

00:59:07 ◼   ► So it's 2010, and it had been a secret project.

00:59:10 ◼   ► Everybody was something, something.

00:59:11 ◼   ► Apple's doing a tablet.

00:59:13 ◼   ► But like any Apple project, only the people who worked on the iPad knew about the iPad

00:59:19 ◼   ► before it came out.

00:59:20 ◼   ► I mean, the iOS team knew more or less, but that was it.

00:59:23 ◼   ► And then after it came out, then everybody at Apple knew what it was, and then he could

00:59:27 ◼   ► do it.

00:59:28 ◼   ► And there was a meeting with the hardware team for the MacBook hardware team.

00:59:31 ◼   ► And it was, "What are we going to do for the next MacBook?"

00:59:33 ◼   ► And Jobs had been on his first medical leave – well, not first, but the first toward

00:59:42 ◼   ► the latter years of his life.

00:59:44 ◼   ► In 2009, he'd been gone a lot of the time.

00:59:46 ◼   ► And it was when he came back, it was that first – that one – it was the medical

00:59:51 ◼   ► that started with the Kim canceling the Macworld keynote and this etc and was

00:59:56 ◼   ► when he came back in the summer and it was like what is he gonna do with maybe

01:00:00 ◼   ► less time that he can spend in and he spent the rest of that year doing the

01:00:04 ◼   ► original iPad but it really devoted himself to it I mean he knew the iPad

01:00:08 ◼   ► in and out and so his next meeting with the the MacBook people this must have

01:00:12 ◼   ► been probably like March of 2010 it kid they came in her and they expect it was

01:00:19 ◼   ► like budgeted it like three hours. It was like going to be a three hour meeting where

01:00:22 ◼   ► Steve Jobs is going to lay out the line of what are we going to do with the MacBook.

01:00:25 ◼   ► He came in carrying an iPad and there were all the existing MacBooks around the table.

01:00:32 ◼   ► And he said, "Here, look at this. This is asleep." And then he touched the button on

01:00:36 ◼   ► the iPad and it instantly turned on. He goes, "Now it's awake." And he goes, "I'm going

01:00:40 ◼   ► to do it again." He turned it off. He says, "Now it's asleep. Touch the button. Now it's

01:00:44 ◼   ► awake. He goes, Why can't I do that on this and pointed to a MacBook and then he just left the room.

01:00:50 ◼   ► Yeah, and it's the same thing that we all felt like when we, you know, the iPhone to begin with

01:00:58 ◼   ► is like, that's why it seems so magical. You use it and you're like, why is this thing that I know

01:01:03 ◼   ► is like one, especially the original iPhone one 10,000th as powerful as the Mac? Why does it feel

01:01:09 ◼   ► so? Why does it feel so fast? Why does it feel so responsive? Why does the magnet is kind of unfair

01:01:14 ◼   ► to do that to the MacBook hardware team,

01:01:16 ◼   ► if that's who he was talking to, because it's not just

01:01:19 ◼   ► a hardware solution.

01:01:20 ◼   ► And Mavericks is finally the software side of that coming.

01:01:25 ◼   ► All these things that iOS does to be

01:01:30 ◼   ► that responsive and such crappy hardware,

01:01:32 ◼   ► finally getting the Mac to get some of that religion.

01:01:35 ◼   ► Do less stuff.

01:01:35 ◼   ► Only do what the user asks.

01:01:38 ◼   ► Do what they ask immediately.

01:01:39 ◼   ► Everything else gets screwed.

01:01:42 ◼   ► And you can't do that entirely on the Mac,

01:01:44 ◼   ► because the part of the Mac is useless,

01:01:45 ◼   ► be able to run all this stuff in the background.

01:01:46 ◼   ► But if you spend any time with the command line tools

01:01:49 ◼   ► like fs_usage, or in the old days, sc_usage,

01:01:53 ◼   ► and these other command line tools that show you

01:01:54 ◼   ► what's going on in your system, fs_usage in particular,

01:01:56 ◼   ► I'm always looking at it, because I'm always trying

01:01:58 ◼   ► to figure out what the hell is grinding my disk to death.

01:02:00 ◼   ► So much crap, just run this on your machine now.

01:02:03 ◼   ► fs_usage, it should be in your path if you've got the,

01:02:06 ◼   ► maybe it's part of the dev tools.

01:02:07 ◼   ► Look at how many processes are just beating your disk

01:02:10 ◼   ► to hell, and you're like, what are these things doing?

01:02:12 ◼   ► Does something really need to be checking

01:02:13 ◼   ► this preference file 30 times a second.

01:02:17 ◼   ► Sometimes I've written bug reports for programs

01:02:19 ◼   ► that say, your program is looking at this--

01:02:23 ◼   ► is statting this file literally hundreds of times a second.

01:02:27 ◼   ► That seems excessive.

01:02:28 ◼   ► Don't do that.

01:02:29 ◼   ► And Mavericks is, what is the role of the OS

01:02:32 ◼   ► and the introspection angle?

01:02:33 ◼   ► Maybe the role of the OS is to say,

01:02:35 ◼   ► I don't care how fast you want to check that file.

01:02:37 ◼   ► If you're not the process that the user is interacting with,

01:02:40 ◼   ► but you're some faceless demon and something else is going on,

01:02:43 ◼   ► and more important things are happening,

01:02:44 ◼   ► you're gonna be throttled.

01:02:46 ◼   ► I'm gonna give you less CPU time.

01:02:47 ◼   ► And there's always been process priority

01:02:49 ◼   ► and stuff like that,

01:02:51 ◼   ► and Mac OS X has always prioritized

01:02:53 ◼   ► the quote-unquote interactive tasks

01:02:54 ◼   ► over the non-interactive ones,

01:02:55 ◼   ► but Mavericks is really cranking it up,

01:02:58 ◼   ► not just giving them less time,

01:02:59 ◼   ► but also trying to have fewer of those things happening.

01:03:01 ◼   ► And it's kind of weird.

01:03:02 ◼   ► It's happening at the same time

01:03:04 ◼   ► that iOS 7 is finally saying,

01:03:05 ◼   ► "Okay, a couple of applications can run in the background,"

01:03:08 ◼   ► kind of like you do on the Mac.

01:03:10 ◼   ► iOS used to be just this totalitarian regime

01:03:12 ◼   ► where nobody gets to run only one process at once.

01:03:15 ◼   ► And now, with the A7 and stuff, they finally

01:03:17 ◼   ► have enough CPU power to say, OK, we can open up

01:03:19 ◼   ► the policy a little bit.

01:03:21 ◼   ► Apps can run in the background, subject to some restrictions.

01:03:24 ◼   ► And the Mac is coming from the other direction,

01:03:26 ◼   ► trying to lock everything down.

01:03:27 ◼   ► But it's one of those things where

01:03:29 ◼   ► I feel like you had to go all the way to the iOS, the iPhone,

01:03:33 ◼   ► and iPad to sort of open your eyes to these questions.

01:03:38 ◼   ► The questions just didn't occur prior to that.

01:03:41 ◼   ► Why would you let an application that the user can't even see,

01:03:48 ◼   ► why are we letting it spend as much CPU time

01:03:50 ◼   ► as it wants to update its UI?

01:03:53 ◼   ► You know, it doesn't make any sense.

01:03:55 ◼   ► Whereas iOS, that's like when you think,

01:03:57 ◼   ► when you sit there and think, well, why does the iPad

01:04:01 ◼   ► get such amazing battery life?

01:04:03 ◼   ► And one of the things is, even now that it has multitasking

01:04:07 ◼   ► and you can keep multiple apps in memory to some degree,

01:04:11 ◼   ► And you get a real win out of that when you switch.

01:04:14 ◼   ► If you're switching from mail to Safari

01:04:18 ◼   ► to your Twitter client, and all three of them

01:04:20 ◼   ► can stay in open in RAM,

01:04:22 ◼   ► they may not be doing stuff in the background,

01:04:25 ◼   ► but then when you switch to them,

01:04:26 ◼   ► it's right there where you left off

01:04:28 ◼   ► and there's no wait at all.

01:04:30 ◼   ► But on the other hand, it's not doing anything

01:04:33 ◼   ► in the background that you don't need to happen.

01:04:36 ◼   ► And all of a sudden, I think that Apple is clearly asking,

01:04:39 ◼   ► why can't the Mac be more like that?

01:04:40 ◼   ► So here's the thing about that Steve Jobs story.

01:04:44 ◼   ► At that time, and to this day, but at that time as well,

01:04:48 ◼   ► Max had an amazing reputation for being

01:04:51 ◼   ► the laptop that wakes from sleep really, really fast.

01:04:54 ◼   ► Like they were the gold standard of the industry.

01:04:56 ◼   ► And even among PC users, they'd see how fast-- this

01:04:59 ◼   ► is before that meeting they had this reputation.

01:05:01 ◼   ► And it's exactly-- it's totally Steve Jobs' move

01:05:04 ◼   ► to come into the room.

01:05:05 ◼   ► And the one thing he picks on is the one thing

01:05:06 ◼   ► that MacBooks are universally recognized

01:05:09 ◼   ► as being the best in the industry at.

01:05:10 ◼   ► And that's a thing that he says is crap.

01:05:12 ◼   ► And why is it crap?

01:05:13 ◼   ► Because Apple itself had made a device that shows,

01:05:15 ◼   ► don't be satisfied merely by being the laptop

01:05:18 ◼   ► that wakes from sleep the fastest.

01:05:19 ◼   ► There's a whole other realm of possibility

01:05:21 ◼   ► over here on this little thing.

01:05:23 ◼   ► - Right, don't just compare yourself to Windows PCs.

01:05:26 ◼   ► - Right, and the thing about the iPad,

01:05:28 ◼   ► I remember back in the day,

01:05:29 ◼   ► and I even find myself slipping into this,

01:05:31 ◼   ► I think I even did in the review,

01:05:32 ◼   ► like the iPad was so amazing

01:05:33 ◼   ► 'cause it was like 10 hour battery life,

01:05:35 ◼   ► and that's when laptops were getting

01:05:36 ◼   ► like three and four hour battery lives.

01:05:38 ◼   ► And you look at it and you're like,

01:05:39 ◼   ► how the hell does this thing have a 10-hour battery life

01:05:43 ◼   ► when the battery for a MacBook Pro or whatever

01:05:47 ◼   ► weighs more than the entire iPad screen at all?

01:05:51 ◼   ► We have this huge battery, and we get three hours.

01:05:53 ◼   ► And they have a battery that's so skinny that we barely

01:05:55 ◼   ► need to shove it in the back of this thing.

01:05:56 ◼   ► And that continued to happen as the battery for the iPad

01:05:58 ◼   ► got skinnier and skinnier.

01:06:00 ◼   ► It was like the Mac laptops had bigger batteries.

01:06:03 ◼   ► And now finally with Mavericks, even before that with Haswell,

01:06:07 ◼   ► Like, finally, Mac laptops are getting the benefit

01:06:11 ◼   ► of having just massively more battery than the iPad.

01:06:13 ◼   ► Because the iPad now has this little tiny sliver.

01:06:15 ◼   ► iPad Air has a battery.

01:06:16 ◼   ► It's probably like a sheet of paper inside there.

01:06:19 ◼   ► There's no room in there.

01:06:20 ◼   ► The battery is so tiny compared to the battery

01:06:22 ◼   ► in a 15-inch MacBook Pro, which is just seven big, chunky cells.

01:06:27 ◼   ► They're still small.

01:06:29 ◼   ► And a MacBook Air running Mavericks,

01:06:31 ◼   ► we were getting like 14, 15 hours of battery life.

01:06:34 ◼   ► So now suddenly, the world makes sense again.

01:06:37 ◼   ► the thing with the bigger battery does get more battery life, whereas before it was like

01:06:39 ◼   ► the thing with the bigger battery gets a third of the battery life of the iPad.

01:06:43 ◼   ► Right. Why in the world does the Mac, even the 11-inch MacBook Air, which clearly has

01:06:49 ◼   ► the smallest battery of any MacBook, because it's the smallest anything in a MacBook, but

01:06:55 ◼   ► if it weighs two and a half times as much as an iPad, how could it not get better battery

01:07:01 ◼   ► life? Or at least match it or something.

01:07:03 ◼   ► But it was you know and I think it's only really with this year's models that it really jumped past it and like you said

01:07:08 ◼   ► With Mavericks, it's clearly past it

01:07:11 ◼   ► I mean, it's yeah as well as the big part of it in terms of like, you know the hardware

01:07:15 ◼   ► That was the big win, you know getting the CPU putting more stuff on the chip, you know

01:07:19 ◼   ► Like we're not it's not an a7 system on a chip yet

01:07:21 ◼   ► But like we're there they're going towards each other and then the software side of it is the other half of that

01:07:26 ◼   ► Okay, we have the CPU and chipset that's able to not use a lot of power and it's not doing anything now

01:07:31 ◼   ► it's the OS's job to make sure we're not doing anything when we're not doing anything.

01:07:35 ◼   ► Well, you ran your own tests for your review where you, you know, and it's, you know,

01:07:42 ◼   ► like a real-world test. It's not some kind of abstract benchmark. It was loading web pages,

01:07:47 ◼   ► waiting a couple seconds, you know, maybe to simulate actually, you know, looking at the

01:07:52 ◼   ► web page and then closing it and loading more. Yeah, I got a newfound, not a newfound,

01:07:58 ◼   ► I always had respect for an antagonist people with lots of benchmarks but doing benchmarks like this like synthetic ones are so much nicer because they're

01:08:04 ◼   ► Repeatable but I'm doing a real benchmark using real websites, right?

01:08:08 ◼   ► Right and real websites vary from day to day right or you know you and you installed the flash plug-in

01:08:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm like a real-world usage. But then if if if your advertisements that are flash-based

01:08:20 ◼   ► Consume CPU it matters which ads load

01:08:23 ◼   ► yeah, and then it's like I would have to because I'm trying to I was trying to compare Mavericks to mountain lion and

01:08:28 ◼   ► And I'd only had one machine to test on.

01:08:31 ◼   ► So I'd run the Mavericks one.

01:08:33 ◼   ► I'd reboot for the battery to recharge and run the next one.

01:08:36 ◼   ► And I was getting such variability

01:08:38 ◼   ► on the Mountain Lion ones.

01:08:39 ◼   ► The Mavericks ones were pretty consistent,

01:08:41 ◼   ► but the Mountain Lion ones just varied like crazy.

01:08:43 ◼   ► And so the numbers in the review are direct numbers from runs.

01:08:49 ◼   ► But we had many, many runs.

01:08:50 ◼   ► And I was like, should I average them?

01:08:51 ◼   ► Should I not?

01:08:52 ◼   ► I just kind of took an actual run

01:08:54 ◼   ► that was kind of in the middle.

01:08:55 ◼   ► But they vary.

01:08:56 ◼   ► It's like, what is the weather on the internet today

01:08:58 ◼   ► in terms of flash ad crap?

01:09:00 ◼   ► And if it's a bad flash ad weather day on the internet,

01:09:02 ◼   ► the machine that willingly runs flash ads

01:09:05 ◼   ► is going to get slaughtered.

01:09:06 ◼   ► And Mavericks is like, I don't care what the flash ad weather

01:09:08 ◼   ► is like.

01:09:09 ◼   ► I'll load the flash thing, but I'm not

01:09:10 ◼   ► going to let it auto play.

01:09:11 ◼   ► Like, I intentionally pick pages that occasionally

01:09:14 ◼   ► had auto playing ads, like YouTube and--

01:09:16 ◼   ► I think The Verge has them occasionally as well.

01:09:18 ◼   ► Like, I was trying to pick sites that tech nerds might go to.

01:09:22 ◼   ► The test itself, I think it was gentle,

01:09:24 ◼   ► like it was a light usage test, because it was like,

01:09:27 ◼   ► go to web pages, change to a tab, go to a text edit document,

01:09:30 ◼   ► add a line of text, let the autosave thing work,

01:09:32 ◼   ► hide the window, show the window, bring this tab

01:09:34 ◼   ► to the front, hide that tab.

01:09:36 ◼   ► But it's really light usage, not doing anything strange

01:09:39 ◼   ► at all.

01:09:39 ◼   ► So in that respect, it's not representative of you

01:09:41 ◼   ► actually using and hammering on your computer.

01:09:43 ◼   ► But I just wanted to see what kind of percentage increase

01:09:46 ◼   ► could we get.

01:09:46 ◼   ► And I was trying to demo AppNap, making sure

01:09:49 ◼   ► that AppNap was a factor.

01:09:51 ◼   ► Like, I was stopping for like five seconds, at least,

01:09:53 ◼   ► changing tabs to simulate reading something for five seconds, and that's enough time for

01:09:57 ◼   ► AppNap to kick in.

01:09:58 ◼   ► And Flash was there to demonstrate the amazing benefit you get by not auto-playing Flash

01:10:03 ◼   ► ads, even though Flash was installed.

01:10:07 ◼   ► If people read it, they should look at the mountain lion numbers, because if you're not

01:10:10 ◼   ► currently getting 12 or 13 hours out of mountain lion, you're not going to get 15 hours out

01:10:15 ◼   ► of Mavericks.

01:10:16 ◼   ► It's like the percentage increase is probably representative, but the absolute value is

01:10:21 ◼   ► It depends on the age of your battery and all that stuff.

01:10:23 ◼   ► But it does seem true, though.

01:10:26 ◼   ► I mean, it really just seems bottom line true.

01:10:28 ◼   ► And it's one of those things that seems--

01:10:31 ◼   ► it sounds too good to be true, and everybody naturally sort of just

01:10:34 ◼   ► thinks, let's see.

01:10:36 ◼   ► When Craig Federighi first ran through the features back at WWDC of Mavericks

01:10:45 ◼   ► and said that we can get with these things that we're doing,

01:10:48 ◼   ► AppNap and the coalesced network.

01:10:54 ◼   ► Timers.

01:10:55 ◼   ► Yeah, and I/O, if you can even just coalesce hitting

01:11:00 ◼   ► the hard drive, it adds up, and you're

01:11:03 ◼   ► going to get 20%, 30% more battery life.

01:11:08 ◼   ► Just by upgrading to the new OS, that sounds too good to be

01:11:11 ◼   ► true.

01:11:12 ◼   ► And I asked Apple if they had any kind of number

01:11:14 ◼   ► that they were going to throw out there

01:11:16 ◼   ► as a marketing type thing.

01:11:18 ◼   ► I really didn't expect anything, and to their credit,

01:11:19 ◼   ► they didn't give one, because this is the thing

01:11:21 ◼   ► about battery life.

01:11:22 ◼   ► The whole game here is you're not,

01:11:25 ◼   ► you can't get blood from a stone.

01:11:26 ◼   ► The battery has the energy that it has.

01:11:27 ◼   ► The CPU has the energy it has, and I was trying to emphasize

01:11:30 ◼   ► that with the early on graph showing, pulled right from WWC.

01:11:33 ◼   ► Look at this CPU.

01:11:34 ◼   ► It uses nothing when you're not using it,

01:11:36 ◼   ► but it uses 25 watts when you're hammering it,

01:11:39 ◼   ► and it's a 54 watt hour battery.

01:11:41 ◼   ► Do the math.

01:11:42 ◼   ► How many hours do you get when you're using 25 watts

01:11:44 ◼   ► and your battery's 54 watt?

01:11:45 ◼   ► You don't get 12, that's for sure.

01:11:48 ◼   ► That's the thing about battery usage, and that's why I talked about the application

01:11:51 ◼   ► so much, is that you get this new OS, and you go out and you put it on your machine,

01:11:55 ◼   ► and you're like, "Wow, now I'm going to get real battery life increase."

01:11:58 ◼   ► There's nothing the OS can do if you're running a bunch of crap that is just, you know, hamming

01:12:02 ◼   ► your CPU and your GPU constantly.

01:12:04 ◼   ► Like, the OS can't stop that.

01:12:05 ◼   ► If you have some third-party thing that's in your menu bar, drawing 60 frames a second

01:12:09 ◼   ► constantly, that is going to suck your power like a vampire.

01:12:11 ◼   ► Like, Mavericks' whole trick is it doesn't magically make more battery, it makes less

01:12:15 ◼   ► stuff go on.

01:12:16 ◼   ► But if you force stuff to go on, you're going to-- like,

01:12:18 ◼   ► you could burn your--

01:12:19 ◼   ► through your battery just as fast

01:12:21 ◼   ► from average because you can't amount

01:12:22 ◼   ► to money if you just have a bad application.

01:12:23 ◼   ► Just one bad application.

01:12:24 ◼   ► So there's the-- what do you call it?

01:12:26 ◼   ► The wall of shame?

01:12:29 ◼   ► In the--

01:12:30 ◼   ► Energy shaming, yeah.

01:12:31 ◼   ► It's a great idea.

01:12:32 ◼   ► And I think it's one of my favorite parts of your review

01:12:35 ◼   ► because I noticed the feature.

01:12:38 ◼   ► And I thought, oh, that's interesting.

01:12:39 ◼   ► And it shows-- and for anybody who doesn't know,

01:12:42 ◼   ► it's like when you go to the battery meter in the menu bar.

01:12:45 ◼   ► And do you even-- is that on desktops?

01:12:47 ◼   ► How does that show up on desktops?

01:12:49 ◼   ► Yeah, I went and looked for it recently.

01:12:51 ◼   ► I'm like, I wish that showed up on desktops.

01:12:52 ◼   ► Because even though I don't have battery power,

01:12:54 ◼   ► I want to know what the hell is stealing my CPU cycle--

01:12:56 ◼   ► Right.

01:12:56 ◼   ► --and doing my disk and doing all this crap.

01:12:58 ◼   ► Right.

01:12:58 ◼   ► So it's in the battery meter.

01:13:00 ◼   ► So I guess you don't see it on desktops.

01:13:02 ◼   ► But you go up to the little battery thing in the menu bar,

01:13:04 ◼   ► and you pull it down.

01:13:05 ◼   ► And in addition to telling you the stuff it used to tell you,

01:13:08 ◼   ► like whether you show the percentage or not,

01:13:11 ◼   ► or just show the icon, it now has a list of apps

01:13:15 ◼   ► using significant energy.

01:13:17 ◼   ► And so it's all posited in the terms of energy.

01:13:21 ◼   ► But like you said, it also means which apps

01:13:24 ◼   ► are slowing my system down.

01:13:25 ◼   ► If there's an app using 30% of your CPU,

01:13:28 ◼   ► even if you're plugged into AC, if you're

01:13:30 ◼   ► using a Mac Pro or an iMac or something,

01:13:33 ◼   ► you'd still like to know about that app because if you

01:13:36 ◼   ► can make it stop doing that, your machine will be faster.

01:13:38 ◼   ► And it's brutal because, first of all, it shows the icon.

01:13:41 ◼   ► So your face is out there.

01:13:45 ◼   ► And the battery menu is like, people

01:13:46 ◼   ► know about the battery menu.

01:13:48 ◼   ► People just know about it.

01:13:50 ◼   ► They like to have it in the menu bar.

01:13:52 ◼   ► They don't just look a little icon.

01:13:53 ◼   ► It is very likely to be found.

01:13:55 ◼   ► Because you can get all the same information

01:13:56 ◼   ► by just going to activity monitor,

01:13:57 ◼   ► but nobody knows about activity monitor.

01:13:58 ◼   ► Normally users don't hang out there.

01:14:00 ◼   ► So if you look in the menu, it's putting

01:14:02 ◼   ► in front of more or less regular users' faces, potentially

01:14:06 ◼   ► your application icon.

01:14:08 ◼   ► And like I said in the review, if I was a developer,

01:14:11 ◼   ► I would be kind of annoyed by this,

01:14:12 ◼   ► 'cause you just know the support email you're gonna get.

01:14:14 ◼   ► 'Cause like, oh, your app is using significant,

01:14:16 ◼   ► it's like, it's a game, you're playing the game.

01:14:18 ◼   ► Of course it's gonna be using, like, what the hell?

01:14:20 ◼   ► It's not magic, and your app is gonna show up,

01:14:22 ◼   ► and you're just gonna have to field request after request

01:14:24 ◼   ► about like, yes, I understand, people are gonna complain.

01:14:27 ◼   ► But it's the only way to do it to get,

01:14:30 ◼   ► to shame the people who really need to be shamed.

01:14:32 ◼   ► Your stupid little dinky thing that I'm not even using

01:14:34 ◼   ► is showing up on this menu, what the hell is the deal?

01:14:37 ◼   ► And when you select it from the menu,

01:14:39 ◼   ► it goes to activity monitor with the application highlighted,

01:14:42 ◼   ► like as in kill me now.

01:14:44 ◼   ► Like this is a quit button right up in the,

01:14:45 ◼   ► like it's like volunteering to say,

01:14:48 ◼   ► this here's the guilty application,

01:14:49 ◼   ► you wanna kill it off?

01:14:50 ◼   ► Just click this big red stop sign button in the toolbar

01:14:53 ◼   ► and we'll kill it.

01:14:54 ◼   ► - So the day that Mavericks came out,

01:14:57 ◼   ► my friend James Duncan Davidson, the photographer,

01:15:02 ◼   ► he just emailed me with a, oh boy,

01:15:06 ◼   ► screenshot of his app shame list, which listed Photoshop.

01:15:14 ◼   ► And he said, this is when no documents open.

01:15:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:17 ◼   ► And you know, and now there's the thing where it's like, if you really--

01:15:24 ◼   ► if Photoshop is--

01:15:26 ◼   ► who knows what the hell it's doing.

01:15:27 ◼   ► But if it's doing something where it's using significant energy while you

01:15:31 ◼   ► and don't even have a document open.

01:15:34 ◼   ► But your professional work is such that you need Photoshop.

01:15:39 ◼   ► Well, this is what you're getting at, though.

01:15:41 ◼   ► You're not--

01:15:43 ◼   ► Mavericks--

01:15:44 ◼   ► Your computer is there to be used for something.

01:15:46 ◼   ► Right, but Mavericks isn't going to magically make that less

01:15:50 ◼   ► painful on your battery life.

01:15:52 ◼   ► And the thing is, that's not instantaneous.

01:15:54 ◼   ► It's not a snapshot of looking at activity monitor top.

01:15:57 ◼   ► That energy stuff is averaged over a long period of time.

01:16:00 ◼   ► So it's trying to say, in the past 10 minutes, 15 minutes,

01:16:03 ◼   ► hour, whatever, even an activity monitor,

01:16:05 ◼   ► the average energy impact, it's not like,

01:16:08 ◼   ► right now I'm not doing anything in Photoshop.

01:16:09 ◼   ► Why is it in the menu?

01:16:10 ◼   ► It's in the menu because over the past little while,

01:16:13 ◼   ► that's been the guy that's been using a lot of your energy,

01:16:15 ◼   ► even if you're not doing it right now.

01:16:17 ◼   ► So if he was just saying, I don't have any documents open

01:16:19 ◼   ► now and it's still in the menu,

01:16:20 ◼   ► yeah, it's gonna be in the menu.

01:16:21 ◼   ► But if you haven't touched Photoshop in 10, 15, 20 minutes

01:16:24 ◼   ► and it's still in the menu,

01:16:25 ◼   ► then maybe something's going wrong.

01:16:26 ◼   ► Obviously, it's there kind of quote, unquote, "unfairly."

01:16:30 ◼   ► And I think the annoying users who

01:16:33 ◼   ► are going to send an email to developers--

01:16:35 ◼   ► maybe not Adobe, because they're not going to listen or whatever.

01:16:38 ◼   ► But if you make some little application,

01:16:40 ◼   ► and your users keep sending you email,

01:16:42 ◼   ► maybe it'll make you look at the WWDC session

01:16:45 ◼   ► about how can I make my application more

01:16:47 ◼   ► energy efficient.

01:16:49 ◼   ► There's so much low-hanging fruit

01:16:50 ◼   ► that regular developers can do.

01:16:52 ◼   ► And Apple trying to preach at them at WWDC,

01:16:54 ◼   ► saying, oh, having session after session about here's

01:16:56 ◼   ► you be energy efficient? They've been doing that for years, and developers are like, "Yeah,

01:16:59 ◼   ► yeah, whatever." Now, if it's a support load and your customers realize that you're doing

01:17:03 ◼   ► something silly, then maybe you're like, "Okay, fine. I'll go look at the sessions and I'll

01:17:07 ◼   ► change my application."

01:17:08 ◼   ► Yeah, and I don't know. It's just one of those cultural things where maybe it's like the

01:17:15 ◼   ► way that certain values get hammered, just kind of become ingrained over time. I don't

01:17:25 ◼   ► I just might be a bad analogy but like when when I grew up

01:17:27 ◼   ► you know

01:17:28 ◼   ► nobody had car seats and the kids just stood in the backseat and jumped up and down until you got to where you were going

01:17:33 ◼   ► Now if you saw like a four-year-old kid standing in the backseat of a car, you'd be appalled you would call it called police

01:17:39 ◼   ► I wouldn't I mean, you know

01:17:41 ◼   ► Just want kids to die and right well

01:17:45 ◼   ► I don't want him to die. I would just wish him good

01:17:48 ◼   ► I was just send like a good thought his way and hope that I hope his parents aren't safe drivers

01:17:53 ◼   ► I don't want to get involved.

01:17:55 ◼   ► Is that terrible?

01:17:56 ◼   ► Would you call the police?

01:17:57 ◼   ► Dr. Justin Marchegiani Talk to Amy about it after the show.

01:18:00 ◼   ► Dr. Justin Marchegiani Alright.

01:18:03 ◼   ► But you know, it's collectively we've shared—we've raised the importance of safety in cars, you

01:18:11 ◼   ► know, collectively, you know, where adults are expected to be wearing seatbelts.

01:18:15 ◼   ► Seatbelts are expected to, you know, you know, we expect even more now.

01:18:19 ◼   ► We have airbags and side impact airbags.

01:18:22 ◼   ► We have all this stuff.

01:18:23 ◼   ► You're expected to survive most car crashes.

01:18:27 ◼   ► It's just become a priority.

01:18:29 ◼   ► And I think that energy usage and doing--

01:18:32 ◼   ► just every little step along the way, prioritizing these things

01:18:37 ◼   ► has got to become a developer priority.

01:18:40 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't remember what I actually said,

01:18:42 ◼   ► but I was tempted to say that that little presence in the menu

01:18:45 ◼   ► bar is the most important energy saving feature of the OS long term.

01:18:49 ◼   ► because it's the part-- you can do all you want with the internals

01:18:52 ◼   ► and all you want with developer evangelism, but it's so hard to--

01:18:56 ◼   ► it's like eating your vegetables.

01:18:58 ◼   ► It's so hard to get people to care about this.

01:19:00 ◼   ► You need something.

01:19:01 ◼   ► What's going to move the needle on this one aspect of this?

01:19:04 ◼   ► Because that's the worst thing that could have happened to Apple.

01:19:06 ◼   ► And that's one of the reasons that I ran my Mavericks energy

01:19:08 ◼   ► test with only Apple-supplied applications plus Flash,

01:19:12 ◼   ► is because if third-party developers don't get on board with this,

01:19:15 ◼   ► there's nothing Mavericks can do to extend your battery life,

01:19:18 ◼   ► because you're just going to keep running the same third party applications you have.

01:19:21 ◼   ► They're going to need up all your battery.

01:19:22 ◼   ► And maybe the OS trying to be quiet will help a little,

01:19:25 ◼   ► but if the OS itself, if you aren't using Apple's bundled applications,

01:19:29 ◼   ► you aren't getting the benefit of Apple's work that they did on that.

01:19:31 ◼   ► And the OS is rarely doing anything anyway, so maybe you get a little benefit.

01:19:35 ◼   ► But third party applications will just kill your battery life.

01:19:38 ◼   ► And so how do you do that?

01:19:39 ◼   ► We made this amazing OS that can be super energy efficient.

01:19:42 ◼   ► We have all these new APIs that you can learn when you're not visible

01:19:45 ◼   ► and learn when you don't have to draw stuff and set your priorities and throttle.

01:19:48 ◼   ► if no one uses those APIs, you don't get the benefit of all this hard work. It's like,

01:19:52 ◼   ► how the hell do we get people to use these APIs? You have to shame them. You have to put them up

01:19:56 ◼   ► there and go, this guy right here, he sucks. You know, and you're going to unfairly shame

01:20:01 ◼   ► applications that are not doing anything bad that merely are being used a lot.

01:20:05 ◼   ► Because or because the whole point of them is to do something CPU. Yeah, like like a game like

01:20:10 ◼   ► yes, a game is going to destroy your battery life. That's the whole point of the game is to use every

01:20:13 ◼   ► single resource on the entire system to its maximum extent. If you're not using every execution unit

01:20:18 ◼   ► In your and every core in your CPU and you know using all the bandwidth and all the processing power in your GPU

01:20:23 ◼   ► You know

01:20:24 ◼   ► That's not a good game design

01:20:25 ◼   ► right if you shoot 300 photographs and a bunch of videos on vacation and come in and plug it in and take

01:20:31 ◼   ► Start sucking those pictures off your SD card into iPhoto or Lightroom or aperture and you have it set to you know

01:20:37 ◼   ► Like aperture a Lightroom. I don't know if I voted that but you can like and you know put like a

01:20:43 ◼   ► default

01:20:45 ◼   ► filter over every one of them. You're filtering 300 photos at once while reading from a slow

01:20:50 ◼   ► SD card. It's going to be, you know, that's exactly what you're asking the app to do,

01:20:55 ◼   ► though, is to do something that is, you know, IO and CPU intensive.

01:21:00 ◼   ► And so it's going to get painted with the same brush. So it's not a perfect system,

01:21:04 ◼   ► but it's the only tool they have at their disposal. They were desperate enough, it's

01:21:07 ◼   ► like, "We've just got to shame them." You know, like, I guess it's kind of still hidden

01:21:12 ◼   ► in a little bit, but it's prominent enough. Like, activity monitor is not sufficient.

01:21:16 ◼   ► No one goes to activity monitor, but people click that battery menu, especially when they

01:21:19 ◼   ► want to see the time remaining if they don't display it. They're like, "Oh, I see the battery.

01:21:25 ◼   ► The little stuff inside the battery has moved a little bit, but I want to know how much

01:21:28 ◼   ► time do I have left?" And a lot of people don't display that in the menu bar. I don't

01:21:31 ◼   ► even know if you can anymore, because it takes up more room. So they click to see, and when

01:21:34 ◼   ► they click to see it, there is the hall of shame right there.

01:21:37 ◼   ► I love it. I do. I do. I just did not give... This is one of those things where I just didn't

01:21:42 ◼   ► give it a lot of thought before reading your review. And then I really... Like you said,

01:21:45 ◼   ► I really do think it might have the most lasting impact of all of these changes on battery

01:21:49 ◼   ► life.

01:21:50 ◼   ► All right. Let me do the second sponsor break. I'm going to talk about our good friends,

01:21:55 ◼   ► long-time Mac developers, now great iOS developers too. Smile. And they have a great app I want

01:22:02 ◼   ► I tell you about called PDF pen scan plus.

01:22:07 ◼   ► PDF pen scan plus.

01:22:10 ◼   ► It's a great app.

01:22:11 ◼   ► One touch scanning directly from your iPhone or iPad camera.

01:22:17 ◼   ► You can scan multiple pages into a single document.

01:22:21 ◼   ► You can use OCR to convert scans into searchable PDFs.

01:22:26 ◼   ► The OCR is performed by the app itself,

01:22:28 ◼   ► not offloaded to a cloud service.

01:22:32 ◼   ► So you can do OCR even if you aren't connected to the network,

01:22:36 ◼   ► or if you have sensitive documents that you can't share,

01:22:40 ◼   ► or maybe it's like a HIPAA type thing, you're not legally--

01:22:43 ◼   ► you can't have this thing going off to a cloud service.

01:22:46 ◼   ► Happens right there on your iPhone or iPad.

01:22:50 ◼   ► You can export PDFs with the OCR text included.

01:22:55 ◼   ► They support 16 languages for OCR.

01:22:58 ◼   ► It's a perfect companion to Smiles' great app, PDF Pen,

01:23:04 ◼   ► for iPad and iPhone, which is a great, great PDF.

01:23:07 ◼   ► These guys have been doing great stuff with PDF for longer

01:23:11 ◼   ► than I can remember.

01:23:13 ◼   ► They have sharing options you can share by Dropbox,

01:23:17 ◼   ► Evernote, other services.

01:23:18 ◼   ► But just hooking up to Dropbox alone

01:23:20 ◼   ► means that you can use your iPhone or iPad

01:23:22 ◼   ► to scan documents, put them together, multiple pages, one

01:23:26 ◼   ► document, share it by Dropbox, and there it is waiting for you when you get back to your

01:23:30 ◼   ► Mac or wherever else you want it.

01:23:33 ◼   ► PDF Scan Plus is available on the App Store at the intro price of just $4.99.

01:23:40 ◼   ► Five bucks and it's like you've got what used to be a $100, $200 document scanner right

01:23:46 ◼   ► there on your iPhone.

01:23:48 ◼   ► I have a great video, a demo video by David Sparks, who's a great podcaster and blogger.

01:23:57 ◼   ► He'll show you all the powerful features that are packed into this great tool.

01:24:01 ◼   ► So where do you go to find out more?

01:24:02 ◼   ► Go to Smilesoftware.com/talkshow.

01:24:11 ◼   ► And it will take you right there to the page where you can learn all about it.

01:24:17 ◼   ► Great app.

01:24:18 ◼   ► Scanning is one of those things that I still like let out a sigh when I realize I have to use my scanner because I've

01:24:23 ◼   ► Got my printer hooked up to my airport thing, but I can't do scanning through it

01:24:26 ◼   ► So every time I got a scan I have to like plug the printer directly into the computer to use a stupid flatbed

01:24:31 ◼   ► Scanner and lift the thing up and put it on so terrible

01:24:34 ◼   ► I I should just get this app and just stop doing that because I don't care about you know

01:24:38 ◼   ► Like I just want you know scanning documents for you know

01:24:41 ◼   ► Archival purposes or whatever just take my phone or iPod and take a picture of the thing

01:24:46 ◼   ► Yeah, it makes a ton of sense for me. I mean it's and I you know what am I doing?

01:24:50 ◼   ► I mean how often do I need to scan something, but when I do it's such a pain

01:24:53 ◼   ► Yeah, and the P it p didn't mention but like PDF pen there are other application for editing PDFs

01:24:57 ◼   ► It always annoyed me dealing with PDFs like a preview would almost kind of it was so close to being what you wanted

01:25:03 ◼   ► But you're like oh you can't really do that because it's a PDF and PDFs aren't editable to their read-only right having PDF pen

01:25:09 ◼   ► Like the whole concept of it's a PDF, but you can finally screw with it

01:25:12 ◼   ► It's like oh, thank God because it's nothing worse than just dealing with a PDF that you just want to change one little thing

01:25:16 ◼   ► or modify in some simple way that you think

01:25:18 ◼   ► should be possible and is not.

01:25:19 ◼   ► - Right, and it's, you know, I forget when I first saw that,

01:25:24 ◼   ► you know, like PDFs that you could have

01:25:26 ◼   ► that were clearly scanned, but had been OCR'd

01:25:29 ◼   ► so you can search--

01:25:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, you'd swipe the text and you're like,

01:25:32 ◼   ► how is it selecting this text?

01:25:33 ◼   ► - Right, because this is clearly not a font,

01:25:35 ◼   ► this is, you know, this looks like a fax.

01:25:37 ◼   ► - It's like ink blots and everything

01:25:38 ◼   ► and you're swiping over it.

01:25:40 ◼   ► - Powerful stuff.

01:25:41 ◼   ► OCR seems like one of those tasks,

01:25:44 ◼   ► I guess never gonna be perfect, of course.

01:25:46 ◼   ► I mean, you've talked about this on your show

01:25:48 ◼   ► with Marco and Casey about, you know,

01:25:52 ◼   ► I talked to Marco about it too,

01:25:55 ◼   ► the episode a couple weeks back where Casey brought up

01:25:57 ◼   ► the episode of the Shield show

01:26:01 ◼   ► where they made a joke about Siri.

01:26:03 ◼   ► And you pointed out, look, Siri could improve a lot

01:26:06 ◼   ► and maybe it needs to improve a lot,

01:26:08 ◼   ► but it's never going to not be make funable, right?

01:26:12 ◼   ► We're never gonna get to a point where AI,

01:26:15 ◼   ► at least in our lifetimes, where AI isn't going to be,

01:26:18 ◼   ► have some kind of uncanny valley,

01:26:20 ◼   ► where it's clearly not a person,

01:26:21 ◼   ► and therefore we can make fun of it.

01:26:24 ◼   ► OCR is sorta like that.

01:26:25 ◼   ► - If you wanna get really depressed about that,

01:26:26 ◼   ► think how often you see people make fun

01:26:28 ◼   ► of their human coworkers or assistants.

01:26:33 ◼   ► Even when you have an actual human,

01:26:35 ◼   ► it's the subject of ridicule

01:26:36 ◼   ► about how it doesn't understand what you want,

01:26:38 ◼   ► because it's not inside your brain.

01:26:40 ◼   ► It's an unsolvable problem.

01:26:44 ◼   ► Unless we have direct telepathy or become a hive mind.

01:26:48 ◼   ► And same thing with OCR. Human beings can't read stuff when it's

01:26:52 ◼   ► sufficiently smudged and crappy. Just look at the stupid captchas that we all have to do on the web.

01:26:56 ◼   ► Did you see the Paul

01:27:00 ◼   ► forget his last name, the guy from Tapbots

01:27:04 ◼   ► Tapbots Paul. See that's the thing, I don't know his last name.

01:27:08 ◼   ► Paul Paul hadad he bought a surface Microsoft surface to try it out and

01:27:14 ◼   ► Here's the capture. Yeah

01:27:17 ◼   ► I'm like a login or something you you buy a new surface and you start setting it up in the first run experience

01:27:22 ◼   ► like step four of the first run experience is to do a capture and it's like

01:27:28 ◼   ► Just in case you're a robot right with with hot dog fingers using the surface, right?

01:27:33 ◼   ► But why do they care if robots are buying surfaces? You're buying a surface.

01:27:38 ◼   ► It's like maybe, you know, again, you know, with water filled or hot dog fingers, like there's a

01:27:43 ◼   ► bunch of like machines somewhere where they have a bunch of surfaces lined up with these little

01:27:48 ◼   ► things, you know, trying to scam captchas. I don't understand it either.

01:27:54 ◼   ► There's another, a capture that I don't understand the scenario that they're defending against either

01:27:59 ◼   ► is the, what's that, the GoGo wireless internet

01:28:04 ◼   ► on the airplane.

01:28:07 ◼   ► At least, that's the network we have on US Air,

01:28:12 ◼   ► and I have an account, I fly enough where I have like,

01:28:16 ◼   ► I just have like my account credentials saved.

01:28:18 ◼   ► So when I'm on an airplane and there's WiFi,

01:28:21 ◼   ► I type in my password, I say yes, use my saved credit card,

01:28:26 ◼   ► and then I have to do a captcha.

01:28:28 ◼   ► And it stinks if you're on the phone,

01:28:30 ◼   ► because it's like you can't see the captcha

01:28:33 ◼   ► and see the text field and the keyboard all at the same time.

01:28:38 ◼   ► So you have to memorize the captcha and then type it in.

01:28:41 ◼   ► And it's case sensitive.

01:28:43 ◼   ► It's like, I don't understand what

01:28:45 ◼   ► they're defending against.

01:28:46 ◼   ► I just gave you my username and password.

01:28:48 ◼   ► I just let you charge my credit card.

01:28:50 ◼   ► Why am I doing a captcha?

01:28:52 ◼   ► There is a BS business buzzword to explain

01:28:55 ◼   ► every crazy thing like that.

01:28:56 ◼   ► And I think in this case, the BS word is best practices,

01:29:00 ◼   ► which is someone just decides it's best practice to have

01:29:01 ◼   ► a caption on every login screen,

01:29:03 ◼   ► and then they blanket apply that policy.

01:29:04 ◼   ► Why? Best practices, best practices.

01:29:06 ◼   ► This is definitely a Merlin topic.

01:29:08 ◼   ► And so you end up with it in places where it makes no sense

01:29:11 ◼   ► because if you didn't take it there, it's like,

01:29:12 ◼   ► well, don't you understand?

01:29:13 ◼   ► That's best practices.

01:29:14 ◼   ► Everyone has captures now.

01:29:15 ◼   ► It's corporate policy.

01:29:16 ◼   ► - Way to the future.

01:29:17 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:29:18 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:29:20 ◼   ► Have you even seen that movie?

01:29:22 ◼   ► - The Aviator?

01:29:23 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:29:24 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, I love it.

01:29:25 ◼   ► I wonder, I mean, I've seen it as well, but I think the movie is more obscure than

01:29:32 ◼   ► a lot of the other things they reference, even like the Big Lebowski, but now it has

01:29:36 ◼   ► come to prominence due to their obsession with it.

01:29:39 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that the Aviator, I saw it when, I didn't see it in theaters, it's

01:29:45 ◼   ► the whole having kids thing where I don't see many movies at all in theaters anymore,

01:29:49 ◼   ► but I did see it when it first, I love, big Scorsese fan, and so when it first came out

01:29:53 ◼   ► on iTunes, I got it. And I remember being a little disappointed the first time I saw

01:29:57 ◼   ► it. I don't know what I expected it to be. I guess I wanted it to be Goodfellas with

01:30:01 ◼   ► a billionaire. And it wasn't. And I was a little disappointed. And then I watched it

01:30:07 ◼   ► like a year or so ago and thought, "My God, what a remarkable movie." The second time

01:30:12 ◼   ► I watched it a year or two later, two, three years later, I really thought, "This is just

01:30:17 ◼   ► fantastic. Love that movie."

01:30:19 ◼   ► It grows on you. You know, I don't think I'm obsessive compulsive. I don't have any kind

01:30:28 ◼   ► of disorder like that, but it seems like such an otherworldly... If you don't suffer from it,

01:30:33 ◼   ► I think it's hard to imagine it, and I feel like he really kind of... I don't know. By the second

01:30:39 ◼   ► time I watched it, I came out of it thinking somehow, "There but for the grace of God go I."

01:30:42 ◼   ► Maybe I am a little closer to that than than

01:30:45 ◼   ► comfort

01:30:47 ◼   ► Yeah

01:30:48 ◼   ► You know I think everyone can identify with it a little bit all right

01:30:51 ◼   ► Some some more than others. Let's say all right

01:30:54 ◼   ► What a great guy that Howard Hughes was I

01:31:00 ◼   ► I don't know if I've ever seen anything about him

01:31:05 ◼   ► That wasn't like fictionalized like news reels or interviews or read anything about the actual person so all I have in my mind is the

01:31:11 ◼   ► fictional Howard Hughes. Yeah, just building airplanes, building casinos, and

01:31:17 ◼   ► dating famous actresses, making movies. There's a life. I mean, what more was there to do?

01:31:25 ◼   ► Peeing into bottles, wearing tissue boxes on your feet. Yeah, that doesn't end well.

01:31:28 ◼   ► This is really, really this is a cautionary tale about working from home.

01:31:34 ◼   ► You should be, that's why you should be on the watch out for this.

01:31:37 ◼   ► Exactly, that's that is sort of

01:31:40 ◼   ► That is sort of I think what made it uncomfortable for me so I installed the

01:31:46 ◼   ► David underscores underscore David Smith. How do we say his name?

01:31:51 ◼   ► underscore David Smith, yes

01:31:53 ◼   ► his

01:31:55 ◼   ► Pedometer app for the iPhone the what's it called steps. I forget what?

01:32:00 ◼   ► Pedometer plus plus plus plus I don't know what I don't know how it got two pluses but

01:32:06 ◼   ► Pedometer plus plus great app. I think it's a free app and there's like you can do it like an in-app purchase to give them

01:32:12 ◼   ► a couple bucks

01:32:13 ◼   ► But it just ties into your the motion

01:32:16 ◼   ► Processor and the iPhone 5s and gives you your steps

01:32:20 ◼   ► I

01:32:22 ◼   ► Take shockingly few steps on some days and this is this is still

01:32:28 ◼   ► Before winter, you know, it's it's actually, you know, October in Philadelphia is actually beautiful. It's probably

01:32:35 ◼   ► Probably my favorite month the climate wise in Philadelphia. It couldn't be more beautiful. We haven't had a lot of rain

01:32:41 ◼   ► There's zero reason why I shouldn't be getting more steps than at any point in here

01:32:45 ◼   ► And I've you know, I took here you go Wednesday. I took 13 steps

01:32:50 ◼   ► Don't you have to get coffee in the morning?

01:32:52 ◼   ► Don't you like the Starbucks down the street from every morning or something make it at home now Oh

01:32:56 ◼   ► Amy's got the Fitbit and everything that you should buy you one and you could be like Fitbit buddies

01:33:02 ◼   ► then maybe you'd be motivated, because now you just

01:33:04 ◼   ► have like 13 steps.

01:33:06 ◼   ► Did you walk really carefully from your bed to the office

01:33:09 ◼   ► so those didn't count as steps, like you

01:33:10 ◼   ► were shuffling your feet and your bunny slippers?

01:33:12 ◼   ► No.

01:33:13 ◼   ► So here's my actual score for Wednesday, October 30,

01:33:15 ◼   ► was 3,466 steps.

01:33:18 ◼   ► But you're supposed to-- and it gets colored red.

01:33:22 ◼   ► So 10,000, everybody says, is what you want every day.

01:33:27 ◼   ► I only got 3,466 on Wednesday.

01:33:31 ◼   ► Yeah, those step draggers there, I feel like they should count things differently.

01:33:34 ◼   ► Because I park in a parking garage, like I usually on the fifth floor by the time I get

01:33:37 ◼   ► there, and I run up and down those steps to the fifth floor parking garage, and those

01:33:40 ◼   ► should count for more steps than just walking up the steps.

01:33:43 ◼   ► Yeah, that's because—

01:33:44 ◼   ► You run up five flights of stairs, it's very different than walking up five flight

01:33:46 ◼   ► stairs, and yet same number of steps.

01:33:48 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

01:33:49 ◼   ► Taking steps, going up as flight of steps is definitely more, and going down steps is

01:33:55 ◼   ► less, I think.

01:33:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:33:57 ◼   ► Because you just, you know, going down steps is really just a controlled fall.

01:33:59 ◼   ► And they're just trying to get you to move.

01:34:00 ◼   ► I mean, it's motivating you to get outside more.

01:34:04 ◼   ► You could get yourself a dog or something.

01:34:06 ◼   ► Trick or treat.

01:34:07 ◼   ► Trick or treat today, though.

01:34:08 ◼   ► I got a good one.

01:34:09 ◼   ► I got 15,000 steps.

01:34:11 ◼   ► Yeah, well, there you go.

01:34:13 ◼   ► Once your son gets tired of you, which will happen,

01:34:15 ◼   ► then you get yourself a dog, and you'll have something

01:34:17 ◼   ► to do in your old age.

01:34:19 ◼   ► Go ahead.

01:34:19 ◼   ► Take the dog out for a walk every day.

01:34:21 ◼   ► It makes you get outside.

01:34:22 ◼   ► You're not a smoker, so you don't have a reason

01:34:23 ◼   ► to be outside in the winter, right?

01:34:25 ◼   ► So you've got to get some reason to be out there.

01:34:27 ◼   ► Do you track your steps?

01:34:30 ◼   ► You don't track your steps.

01:34:31 ◼   ► No, I don't use any.

01:34:32 ◼   ► I think I might be interested in trying it.

01:34:35 ◼   ► I like the concept of the gameplay type thing,

01:34:37 ◼   ► but it's never come up.

01:34:39 ◼   ► I sure as hell don't want to wear anything

01:34:41 ◼   ► on my wrist, which is going to be a problem for the iWatch.

01:34:43 ◼   ► But I don't want one of those Fitbit that's attached there.

01:34:45 ◼   ► And the ones that clip onto your clothes,

01:34:47 ◼   ► I know it's just like my laundry machines will eat it.

01:34:50 ◼   ► I'm not responsible enough to have

01:34:52 ◼   ► $100 little rubberized electronic turds

01:34:56 ◼   ► clipped to my clothes, because I'll wash it in the first week,

01:34:58 ◼   ► and then I'll have to buy another one.

01:34:59 ◼   ► Eventually, it's like it's like a tax of like, you know average of $75 a month for the rest of my life to keep buying new

01:35:04 ◼   ► Fitbits. Yeah, I'm exactly the same. I I bought one

01:35:07 ◼   ► I bought the it was an Indiegogo project or it was a Kickstarter one of those things. It was called the misfit shine

01:35:13 ◼   ► You know misfit is the company

01:35:16 ◼   ► and it's like a you know a

01:35:19 ◼   ► Fitbit and it was a little it's like a little quarter-sized disc and it had a couple of ways

01:35:25 ◼   ► You could wear you could wear it on your wrist. I chose not to I

01:35:28 ◼   ► Magnet thing I put it on my pants and I had it for six days before I lost it like on the seventh day

01:35:33 ◼   ► I was like, where's that thing? And I'm no I felt in the toilet somewhere, you know, I do

01:35:37 ◼   ► Yeah, and I didn't remember I couldn't remember the last time I checked it from the day before I remember

01:35:43 ◼   ► I definitely had it the day before and at some point I didn't have it and then it's gone

01:35:47 ◼   ► So the phone is the perfect thing then because the phone is like you're not gonna lose track of that because it cost so much

01:35:51 ◼   ► Money and you're using it all the time and it's got the tracker in and it doesn't kill your battery

01:35:54 ◼   ► so you're good to go.

01:35:55 ◼   ► Like, I put that, I put underscore David Smith's Spinnaker plus list thing on my wife's iPhone.

01:36:00 ◼   ► It doesn't work for her, unfortunately, because her phone is not allowed in all sorts of places

01:36:04 ◼   ► in her work for security reasons.

01:36:07 ◼   ► So it's like she doesn't get the benefit of the steps that are taking place when she doesn't

01:36:11 ◼   ► have her phone with her, because a lot of times it has to be left elsewhere.

01:36:14 ◼   ► So her numbers are low, but she has excuses.

01:36:17 ◼   ► It's like a secure zone 12 stories up, and the only way to get there is on a flight of

01:36:23 ◼   ► stairs.

01:36:24 ◼   ► You can't bring it with you. You gotta stay in the purse in the office.

01:36:28 ◼   ► So like the longest hallway in the whole facility. No credit.

01:36:31 ◼   ► It's Maxwell Smart. You gotta throw all those doors.

01:36:33 ◼   ► Right. What else in Mavericks? What's your favorite thing? What's your favorite thing

01:36:40 ◼   ► that they did this year in Mavericks? I said this on ATP that we recorded earlier

01:36:45 ◼   ► in the week and people are going to think I'm crazy or a total noob as the kids say.

01:36:50 ◼   ► Like, you know the whole thing of back when Mac OS X was slow?

01:36:53 ◼   ► After every release of OS X, people in the forums

01:36:56 ◼   ► would install it.

01:36:57 ◼   ► Oh, it's so much snappier.

01:36:59 ◼   ► And it's because every time you install a new version of the OS

01:37:02 ◼   ► like you've quit all your applications,

01:37:04 ◼   ► everything's fresh, all the caches are rebuilt for you.

01:37:08 ◼   ► Of course it feels faster.

01:37:09 ◼   ► You just click System Preferences,

01:37:10 ◼   ► and it was like one bounce.

01:37:11 ◼   ► And it opened right up.

01:37:12 ◼   ► Because nothing else was happening in your machine

01:37:13 ◼   ► because you just rebooted it and you just reinstalled the OS.

01:37:16 ◼   ► Of course it feels snappy.

01:37:18 ◼   ► So that effect has always been there, right?

01:37:20 ◼   ► But I really feel like having installed Mavericks

01:37:22 ◼   ► on so many machines, that it actually does feel snappier,

01:37:27 ◼   ► taking into account that yes, of course,

01:37:29 ◼   ► it's gonna be a snapper and everything's quit.

01:37:30 ◼   ► Like I've been using it for days and days and days,

01:37:32 ◼   ► like the release version on my real machines,

01:37:34 ◼   ► to do real work, in actual work, and it feels snappier.

01:37:39 ◼   ► And it could all be in my head.

01:37:41 ◼   ► I'm totally willing to believe that it's all in my head.

01:37:43 ◼   ► But if it's not all in my head, what it's coming from is

01:37:46 ◼   ► My computer is doing less useless crap.

01:37:48 ◼   ► And that means it's more available to do the stuff

01:37:52 ◼   ► that I want it to do.

01:37:53 ◼   ► And so it could just be they shorten some animation somewhere.

01:37:56 ◼   ► It could be anything.

01:37:57 ◼   ► Even terminal, for instance.

01:38:00 ◼   ► When I use terminal and type ls or something in a local directory

01:38:03 ◼   ► or do something that spits out text, it seems like the text

01:38:05 ◼   ► appears in the terminal window faster.

01:38:07 ◼   ► And it's like, that can't be possible.

01:38:09 ◼   ► It already appeared so lightning fast.

01:38:10 ◼   ► It wasn't like I was waiting for little characters.

01:38:12 ◼   ► It was already so fast.

01:38:13 ◼   ► Why does it feel faster to me?

01:38:15 ◼   ► So there's some either psychological,

01:38:19 ◼   ► not really there, but I think it's there,

01:38:21 ◼   ► or actual kind of like trickery, perceived trickery,

01:38:24 ◼   ► or whatever, it just, you know,

01:38:26 ◼   ► maybe it's just because I spent so freaking long

01:38:28 ◼   ► writing that review, it just feels more efficient to me.

01:38:30 ◼   ► It just does.

01:38:32 ◼   ► - I think it's subtle, but I think it does feel

01:38:35 ◼   ► a little snappier too, and I'm running it mostly

01:38:36 ◼   ► on a very old PowerBook, a 2008 MacBook,

01:38:40 ◼   ► when I say PowerBook, MacBook Pro.

01:38:43 ◼   ► and the 2010 MacBook Air that I mentioned in my iPad review.

01:38:49 ◼   ► Not new stuff.

01:38:51 ◼   ► So there's definitely-- and I feel like on both machines,

01:38:53 ◼   ► it feels a little snappier.

01:38:54 ◼   ► And I think there's got to be room for that snappiness

01:38:58 ◼   ► improvement because, specifically,

01:39:00 ◼   ► just comparing the way Mac OS X feels to an iPad, even older

01:39:05 ◼   ► iPads.

01:39:06 ◼   ► And that's just the whole initial appeal of iOS is,

01:39:10 ◼   ► my god this this feels so much more responsive to my input than my computer

01:39:17 ◼   ► even though it's only you know a tenth or is 20th you know as powerful as a you

01:39:22 ◼   ► know CPU eyes my actual favorite like real feature that is not all in my head

01:39:27 ◼   ► is the new version of Safari because I use Safari as my main browser but I also

01:39:33 ◼   ► run Chrome all day I always use two browsers and have certain things I do in

01:39:36 ◼   ► and certain things I do in Safari,

01:39:37 ◼   ► but Safari is my default.

01:39:40 ◼   ► And one of the things I always liked about Safari

01:39:42 ◼   ► is I felt like when I hit Command-N to make a new window,

01:39:45 ◼   ► which I occasionally do because I don't always use tabs,

01:39:46 ◼   ► so I feel like they get too crowded to make a new window,

01:39:49 ◼   ► it just felt like it was fast.

01:39:50 ◼   ► It was like a native UI.

01:39:52 ◼   ► Everything about it was native.

01:39:53 ◼   ► It was fast, right?

01:39:54 ◼   ► And Chrome, what I liked about it was

01:39:56 ◼   ► I felt like when Safari was starting to get hung up,

01:39:59 ◼   ► especially Safari 6 and the WebKit 2 thing

01:40:01 ◼   ► where I would get hung up and you get that dialog box

01:40:03 ◼   ► and you have to reload all your windows, which pissed me off

01:40:05 ◼   ► no end. When that happened, or when something was slower, when I just saw the progress bar

01:40:09 ◼   ► in Safari just hanging there, I always knew I could switch to Chrome, make a new window,

01:40:15 ◼   ► and because it was a separate process, no matter what the hell's going on in all my other Chrome

01:40:18 ◼   ► tabs and all my other Chrome windows, no matter what the hell Safari is doing being hung,

01:40:22 ◼   ► I can get a new Chrome window and it will load the damn thing that I want it to load,

01:40:25 ◼   ► because it's independent. And so going to process per tab in Safari is like...

01:40:29 ◼   ► Maybe this is just me. People write in and say, "I still get that dialog box that says

01:40:35 ◼   ► things are not responding. It's just not all the tabs in Safari now, it's just a few of them.

01:40:38 ◼   ► Which I suppose could happen, but I used to get that "pages are not responding,

01:40:42 ◼   ► do you want to visit page or reload all the tabs" thing.

01:40:45 ◼   ► Used to get it in the old version of Safari constantly.

01:40:48 ◼   ► It was driving me nuts, it was driving me to the point where I was thinking of switching my default browser.

01:40:51 ◼   ► And during the whole course of writing the review on a Mountain Lion system,

01:40:55 ◼   ► I kept getting it again and again. It was taunting me, saying goodbye to me.

01:40:58 ◼   ► And I never once, not once, still haven't, not once, gotten it on Mavericks or Safari 7.

01:41:03 ◼   ► I don't you know it may happen

01:41:05 ◼   ► You know and it may be when it happens it still happens in the effect is less

01:41:08 ◼   ► But I just haven't seen it all and that that that is a big change in my daily life because if you use safari is

01:41:14 ◼   ► Your default browser and you get that thing like more than you know once every couple of weeks

01:41:18 ◼   ► It really changes when that just goes away, and you don't see that anymore

01:41:22 ◼   ► Yeah, I you the story you just told is me exactly everything about it. I'd Safari is my default browser

01:41:29 ◼   ► I

01:41:30 ◼   ► I've run into that dialog box all the time

01:41:35 ◼   ► over the time that Safari's used that

01:41:40 ◼   ► two process architecture, where there was one

01:41:44 ◼   ► to render the UI and one monolithic process

01:41:47 ◼   ► to handle all of the rendering.

01:41:50 ◼   ► That whole time, was it just one OS release

01:41:53 ◼   ► or was it two OS releases?

01:41:54 ◼   ► Was it just Mountain Lion?

01:41:56 ◼   ► - I am so bad at remembering what you're saying, Matt.

01:41:59 ◼   ► I think it might have been Lion and Mountain Lion, whatever

01:42:01 ◼   ► WebKit2 came out of.

01:42:02 ◼   ► Well, the whole time I ran into that so many times.

01:42:04 ◼   ► And when it would get bad, that and that reason alone

01:42:08 ◼   ► made me think that maybe I should switch

01:42:10 ◼   ► to Chrome as my main browser.

01:42:13 ◼   ► The only reason-- and there's not one other thing about Chrome

01:42:16 ◼   ► that I prefer to Safari, except for the fact

01:42:18 ◼   ► that Chrome for years has had a-- each tab gets

01:42:22 ◼   ► its own rendering process.

01:42:24 ◼   ► I do like other things about Chrome.

01:42:27 ◼   ► When I use Google's applications,

01:42:28 ◼   ► I use them in Chrome because I think

01:42:29 ◼   ► it's a nice marriage between all their crazy stuff

01:42:31 ◼   ► that they do to make things fast and everything.

01:42:33 ◼   ► But it's just Chrome is-- and again,

01:42:35 ◼   ► people have different experiences.

01:42:36 ◼   ► People email me and say, you keep saying Chrome is solid,

01:42:39 ◼   ► but it crashes for me all the time.

01:42:40 ◼   ► Chrome is so solid for me.

01:42:42 ◼   ► I'm on the beta channel for Chrome.

01:42:44 ◼   ► I don't even do the regular releases.

01:42:45 ◼   ► I'm on the beta.

01:42:46 ◼   ► So every time a new beta comes out,