00:01:11 ◼ ► still got to dot the I's and cross the T's on the feed redirection and stuff like that.
00:01:27 ◼ ► podcast client, if they get a 302 HTTP, which is like a 301 says redirect, go over there,
00:01:36 ◼ ► but don't not permanently 302 is permanent and then it should remember the new URL so if you were
00:01:43 ◼ ► previously subscribed at mule radio dotnet slash the talk show whatever the feed URL is
00:01:49 ◼ ► your your podcast software will just automatically update to daring fireball dotnet feeds the talk
00:01:57 ◼ ► show or whatever i don't know i haven't decided on the URL yet but nobody should notice a damn thing
00:02:28 ◼ ► No problems whatsoever. Do you see the rumor today just broke hours before we started recording that?
00:02:41 ◼ ► No, that won't. But it's funny, Dan Fromer, friend of the show, occasional guest of the talk show,
00:03:05 ◼ ► Or 2005, but it was Ev Williams and Biz Stone and all these guys, you know, they left Google after
00:03:17 ◼ ► they all got the hell out of Google and they made Odeo and it was going to be like, like
00:03:21 ◼ ► Blogger for podcasting. And it just, they just didn't seem, it seemed, you know, it was a good
00:03:27 ◼ ► idea I mean they were on to something in terms of like back in 2004 2005 thinking podcasting was
00:03:33 ◼ ► gonna be big clearly they're at it you know that the base the fundamental idea there's pretty good
00:03:39 ◼ ► and ahead of its time but they didn't never get quite got it to work and then it was like one of
00:03:45 ◼ ► their guys you know guy named Jack is over there and they were like anybody else have any ideas and
00:04:15 ◼ ► and it went from Twitter being an audio product to Twitter being a standalone corporation.
00:05:07 ◼ ► know, just to like save on paperwork or something. I don't know. Like, it might have been easier
00:05:37 ◼ ► of with the—what's the parenting show? Get back in and I'm going to turn this car around.
00:06:04 ◼ ► But there are, there's all sorts of details you have to worry about. And a fundamental one is,
00:06:30 ◼ ► which is, you know, start talking about hundreds of dollars, and I might just squander it.
00:06:35 ◼ ► Thousands of dollars, you've got my attention. And SoundCloud is free. I mean, I don't want to
00:06:41 ◼ ► get too into baseball here. But to me, it's sort of an interesting, it's the perils of venture
00:06:47 ◼ ► backed cloud services. So SoundCloud is free for everything. And it started life, I guess,
00:06:55 ◼ ► as sort of a music hosting service where musicians could put songs up and have people playing,
00:07:04 ◼ ► you can put your podcast there and they don't insert their own ads. They have a player that
00:07:10 ◼ ► you can embed. Like if you've got, you know, if anybody's ever looked at the talk show pages on
00:07:14 ◼ ► Mule Radio, they use the SoundCloud embeddable player. That's what we use. And it but that
00:07:26 ◼ ► audio player, you know, like Dave Whiskus's unprofessional show. Him and Jamie Newberry
00:07:35 ◼ ► now are the hosts of that. I forget who used to be the host. But Dave. Well, what's his—I
00:07:58 ◼ ► They should do a show they should do a show and they should be called like those guys the other guys
00:08:16 ◼ ► But I got an unprofessional he hosts the their audio with SoundCloud, but he uses a different, you know, HTML 5 audio player
00:08:29 ◼ ► hosts your audio on Amazon S3. And so, you know, it's hundreds, if for a popular enough
00:08:36 ◼ ► show, thousands of dollars worth of S3 bandwidth that SoundCloud is just covering based on
00:08:54 ◼ ► And no idea how to monetize this. Right. And so like with like my friends and as I've been talking
00:09:00 ◼ ► and planning and plotting and detailing, you know, everything I have to do to move the talk show to
00:09:07 ◼ ► be part of Daring Fireball. And I hear that and I think, "Well, that's too good to be true." And
00:09:12 ◼ ► too good to be true is to me, it makes me very uncomfortable. I'd rather pay a reasonable amount
00:09:18 ◼ ► of money for something that I feel is sustainable, then do it. And I say this to some people,
00:09:22 ◼ ► and some people hear it and they think, "Oh yeah, you have a good point. That is a little
00:09:26 ◼ ► worrisome." And then other people are like, "Just take the free hosting, dummy. And worry about
00:09:34 ◼ ► Tim Cynova - Well, you have an established podcast. So in your situation, it's a little easier with
00:09:41 ◼ ► established sponsors and such. So it's a little easier to actually go out and shell something out.
00:09:48 ◼ ► but like right, you know, when we started up, we didn't have any, we didn't have any advertisers
00:09:51 ◼ ► to begin with. And so it would have been a lot harder. Right. It's not that I have a lot of
00:09:57 ◼ ► confidence that I was going to go someplace. And there's other options besides Amazon S3.
00:10:01 ◼ ► There's all sorts of things like, you know, one could do to host a podcast, but they're, you know,
00:10:05 ◼ ► because SoundCloud offers a good quality, you know, because it's backed by S3. I'm, they don't
00:10:14 ◼ ► tell you that. But it just, if you poke around and see where your stuff's coming from, it seems
00:10:17 ◼ ► like it is. Good quality. It works around the world, which is often a problem. Like if you were
00:10:23 ◼ ► just to do like the obvious thing and just get like a Linux server and start just put your audio
00:10:31 ◼ ► files there and let people download it. Like people around the world might have trouble getting it,
00:10:35 ◼ ► whereas something that's meant to be a content delivery system, like S3 works better. And then
00:10:41 ◼ ► you don't have to pay. And again, like you said, it seems like a perfect fit for Twitter.
00:10:47 ◼ ► You guys have no idea. You guys have exorbitant costs and no idea how to make money for it.
00:11:21 ◼ ► in terms of the money. They have some kind of tiering and paid accounts and something. I don't
00:11:25 ◼ ► know. Amy, what's her name? And Paul Kefasis have a show that Neneh used Libsyn to. I'm so bad with
00:11:55 ◼ ► whenever I see a J. O. N. I just assume that's what that is. I assume that you're a Jonathan,
00:12:01 ◼ ► right? But we're not right. I mean, you're not know that's John. No, I see J. O. N. And
00:12:12 ◼ ► Then when other people will say to me if they say hey is your real name Jonathan group is your full name Jonathan grouper
00:12:35 ◼ ► This is before any kind of ultrasound type technology. So when my mom was pregnant with me in
00:12:49 ◼ ► Nope sounded and neither or nor had color, right? Right, but my mom was a hundred percent convinced that she was having a girl
00:12:57 ◼ ► She'd had no children before but she just felt like she was having a girl and she even has she still has it like
00:13:04 ◼ ► a little like back pocket sized book of baby names like that sort of little almost like a
00:13:12 ◼ ► pamphlet book with thousands of names but it's you know it's it's like you could fit in like
00:13:17 ◼ ► you it's like the size of a field notes but 45 names that you know used to buy books like that
00:13:22 ◼ ► in a supermarket yeah and she has it and and like the girl pages are all like worn you know that
00:13:31 ◼ ► there's also and there's there's annotated dozens and dozens of names circled and then different
00:13:35 ◼ ► colors for like second and there's like two boys names it was like jason and uh i forget the other
00:13:42 ◼ ► one uh i didn't like it though um but there were like two boys names that were like vaguely
00:13:48 ◼ ► underlined and that was it that was the only thought she'd put into it and then i came out
00:14:00 ◼ ► And she was upset because she didn't know she just was so sure it was a girl that had no names picked out and my
00:14:08 ◼ ► 1973 and men's was not done. No, it was not done. He was in a smoke-filled room with a bunch of cigars. Yeah
00:14:27 ◼ ► I guess he joined my mom and they said she said well, what are we gonna call him and he discusses his name is John
00:14:34 ◼ ► There was like no discussion if my mom had spent like hours and hours over the proceeding like eight months
00:14:41 ◼ ► Picking out girls names and my they'd never discussed it and my dad just goes his name is John now
00:14:47 ◼ ► It ends up that both both of my grandparents her dad and my dad's dad were both named John
00:14:57 ◼ ► What about you you named after anybody yeah, my grandfather my mom's dad he passed away like
00:15:30 ◼ ► Well that the beats one which I thought would have been old news by the time we were recording this is still not still at limbo
00:15:39 ◼ ► Like that we're getting close to two weeks now right since it'll be like the end of this week will be two weeks Friday, right?
00:15:48 ◼ ► And a lot of people have been writing to me, you know at daring fireball emailing saying like hey
00:15:53 ◼ ► Maybe this whole thing is just nonsense and you know Apple not denying it is just their usual
00:16:00 ◼ ► Because if they and there might be you know, who knows I don't I actually don't know but you know
00:16:07 ◼ ► The idea would be well, why wouldn't Apple just publicly deny it if it weren't true the idea then would be
00:16:14 ◼ ► That they'd be given tonight anything right because then they'd be giving it away if there's another subsequent one
00:16:37 ◼ ► You know keep people in up in the air until they have actually make the announcement themselves
00:16:42 ◼ ► they have to not comment on everything whether it's true or false. So there's some logic there.
00:16:47 ◼ ► But I do think though, that if it weren't the case, I don't think they would address it
00:16:52 ◼ ► officially with an official statement, but I think behind the scenes, they'd get word out. And we
00:16:57 ◼ ► haven't, I haven't seen any sign of that. There's not a single report from anybody saying, you know,
00:17:04 ◼ ► unnamed sources familiar with the situation say that Apple is not buying Beats. Everything has
00:17:10 ◼ ► said, you know, indicates that they that they still intend to and Peter Kafka of recode.
00:17:25 ◼ ► longer than expected, but that this is the week sometime this week, it'll be announced,
00:17:48 ◼ ► guess is it's not the video that was the problem, it's the fact that the video got posted.
00:18:04 ◼ ► expected to be posted to Facebook. You know, he's a very, very smart man. And he's clearly been,
00:18:12 ◼ ► if it's true, he's clearly been in… He knows enough that Apple doesn't want anything announced.
00:18:19 ◼ ► I think that it was the fact that it was his friend that… It wasn't that he posted it to Facebook,
00:18:30 ◼ ► Because it was only up for a few hours. And then it was taken down early in the morning.
00:18:34 ◼ ► And it also seemed like the sort of situation where maybe he wouldn't have been getting up
00:18:45 ◼ ► - That would probably be my guess as well, yeah. There might have been a little sleeping in done
00:18:59 ◼ ► a pair of Beats headphones around without hitting somebody with an opinion about it though.
00:19:04 ◼ ► Yeah, yeah, I think the funny thing is I think that's it's to me the interesting thing about it
00:19:41 ◼ ► Think I think it yeah everything. I mean, I think everything that Apple does has that has that element to it
00:19:56 ◼ ► It did seem confusing at first to a lot of us to me at least and I think it's still I think it's still
00:20:02 ◼ ► Confusing a little bit anyway, because it doesn't seem like the hardware is that great. It doesn't seem like
00:20:11 ◼ ► From what everybody says it doesn't seem like the licenses for the music go along with the sale, right? But then there's
00:20:24 ◼ ► But three billion seems like a lot for an aqua higher, right? Exactly, right? I don't you know, maybe all together though
00:20:31 ◼ ► Maybe yeah, I mean maybe all together. It seems like something a little bit here a little bit there
00:20:51 ◼ ► widely known as a keen Apple observer, I'm willing to say, I just don't know. And just wait. And I'll
00:21:01 ◼ ► just wait. You know, I don't have there's no way that I could go off on any kind of strongly
00:21:06 ◼ ► opinionated. You know, column or rant here on the show one way or the other that this is stupid,
00:21:15 ◼ ► or it's genius. Either way, I don't know, because I don't know enough yet. I don't know why more
00:22:13 ◼ ► Right. Yeah, I think that's the to me, that's the only thinking man's take is, and it's that it
00:22:19 ◼ ► doesn't make it less intriguing. If anything, it makes it more intriguing. Because it's like, wow,
00:22:23 ◼ ► now we you know, there's something interesting going on here. I can't wait to find out more
00:22:27 ◼ ► about it. There's got to be you just feel like there's got to be something more. You know,
00:22:33 ◼ ► like, I don't think I really, really, really do not think that the the answer is, Apple has just
00:22:42 ◼ ► given up and decided to just be lazy and just throw billions around willy-nilly without really
00:22:54 ◼ ► I think it's the case that they haven't made a billion, they've never made a billion dollar
00:23:00 ◼ ► acquisition. And then all of a sudden now after never having done so now they're just going to
00:23:08 ◼ ► spend money willy-nilly. I mean, that doesn't… It just doesn't make sense to me. Like without
00:23:14 ◼ ► a very, very concrete idea of how it's going to help Apple. I just don't see it though.
00:23:31 ◼ ► Right. Right. But there's also, I mean, I think there's just a part from the value of the dollar,
00:23:43 ◼ ► some of these acquisitions that have happened have just driven up. It's like every time somebody
00:24:16 ◼ ► probably '97 is a little bit better because it's, you know, Christmas week or New Year's week,
00:24:22 ◼ ► 96 is effectively 97 anyway. But even so, the dot com bubble was still in the early days,
00:24:30 ◼ ► you know, it had gotten started, but it was still early days. And so I think at that point,
00:24:37 ◼ ► acquisitions were still largely done on traditional metrics of revenue, revenue and profit,
00:24:46 ◼ ► like the idea that you would value an acquisition on anything. Well, it's sad in a lot of cases,
00:24:56 ◼ ► but in others, maybe not. So you know, like, a good example might be Facebook buying Instagram,
00:25:08 ◼ ► They'd, they'd never done was clearly worth a lot, right? Because they had growth. And they had,
00:25:14 ◼ ► you know, all of these images, they had even a good technology, like one thing that to me often
00:25:19 ◼ ► goes on unsaid about Instagram, because it's, when things work, we just don't notice it, we take it
00:25:24 ◼ ► for granted. But Twitter, which was all just text, you know, had so many problems with scaling with
00:25:33 ◼ ► the fail well, etc. Instagram was doing something, you know, where I'm guessing the average Instagram
00:25:40 ◼ ► post is at least… Well, I don't know. It's got to be at least a thousand times bigger than a tweet,
00:25:47 ◼ ► though, because it's an image, not just 140 characters. I don't know. It could be 10,000
00:25:56 ◼ ► times more. I don't even know. I don't even know how big an Instagram image is. But it's got to be
00:25:59 ◼ ► at least a thousand times more and never really had scaling problems. And the previous darling of
00:26:10 ◼ ► social photo sharing Flickr. Now, we have to go way back in the day for the early days of Flickr
00:26:16 ◼ ► before Yahoo bought them. Also had, you know, terrible scaling problems. And it was far smaller
00:26:23 ◼ ► than Instagram was. They did a great job. So there's some value there. But billions or what
00:26:28 ◼ ► was it 1 billion that Facebook bought them for? I think so. For a company that never even tried to
00:26:34 ◼ ► make a nickel. That's crazy. Well, not crazy, but it's it's it would certainly be crazy if you
00:26:39 ◼ ► had a lot of users which is a pretty important rhetoric for that kind of thing and the potential
00:26:53 ◼ ► something like apple buying beats for three billion today to apple's next acquisition in 97
00:27:01 ◼ ► isn't about the the inflationary difference between 400 and some million then and three
00:27:27 ◼ ► in cash using overseas cash, and pay, you know, 30 or 40% income tax on the thing, it's
00:27:35 ◼ ► a drop in the bucket, right? They could spend 5 billion on beats, and it's only 1/35 of their
00:27:43 ◼ ► entire cash on hand. Whereas the 400 and some million acquisition of Next in 1997 was, people
00:27:53 ◼ ► say this all the time that it's a bet the company move. That is one case where it's not the least
00:27:58 ◼ ► bit hyperbolic, where it was enough, you know, Apple was near bankruptcy, they didn't have,
00:28:03 ◼ ► they couldn't afford to lose to not have it work out. Right. If you're with us basically, so yeah,
00:28:10 ◼ ► so Microsoft's investment was Microsoft 150 million, right? 150 million. Yeah. So it was
00:28:16 ◼ ► three times bigger. A third. Yeah. And it seemed so Microsoft basically paid for a third of that.
00:28:22 ◼ ► I've said this before. Microsoft's people often look back at that and say that Microsoft helped
00:28:32 ◼ ► make much of a difference compared, you know, in terms of keeping the company afloat, like,
00:28:36 ◼ ► right, they needed office. Yeah, they still needed billions of revenue per quarter, just to stay in
00:28:42 ◼ ► the black. So 150 million investment from Microsoft. I mean, it was enough at the time that it
00:28:47 ◼ ► certainly didn't hurt. But it didn't really make a big difference. I mean, they needed billions in
00:28:51 ◼ ► revenue, and to keep costs down to stay in the black quarter quarter. It was the, like you said,
00:28:57 ◼ ► yeah, the commitment to keep doing office and the political value of the $150 million investment.
00:29:10 ◼ ► So, you know, considering that they've taken that about that, and that's not even a record quarter,
00:29:34 ◼ ► Company watcher. I'm certainly concerned about it where it's not the money. It's to me that the
00:29:40 ◼ ► The potential that it could signify a lack of focus, you know that focus has always been
00:30:47 ◼ ► To me, that's one of the single biggest questions about this potential acquisition. It's fascinating
00:30:55 ◼ ► to me because on the one hand, I can't see Apple owning a sub-brand. On the other hand,
00:31:19 ◼ ► Right. I have heard from some people, I mean, clearly among audiophiles, like your Marco
00:31:34 ◼ ► and really can tell the difference between different headphones. Beats is like a non-entity
00:31:44 ◼ ► will keep buying their audio file headphones from Sennheiser and whoever else." But normal
00:31:51 ◼ ► people love the way beats headphones sound, and that it's not about fidelity and reproducing
00:32:31 ◼ ► only been making their own stuff for a little while six, six months or something. Yeah,
00:32:36 ◼ ► Maybe a little longer than that, but I've also seen other people and this is on Twitter and you know
00:32:50 ◼ ► People who are clearly not a fan of Apple products in general saying it's a perfect acquisition for Apple overpriced technology
00:33:03 ◼ ► I don't think it's a problem for Apple that from among some people the idea that Apple buys beats
00:33:07 ◼ ► Reinforces that notion of the company because I feel like those people there's nothing Apple could ever do in a million years to turn them around
00:33:14 ◼ ► Right, you know and if your goal is to get a hundred percent of all consumers to view your brand
00:33:31 ◼ ► So what other what other acquisitions? Well, let's take a break. Okay. And let me tell you about our
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00:37:41 ◼ ► our sons, who are 10 years old, are really into watching videos of people playing video games.
00:37:57 ◼ ► 42 games so far. I've probably watched about 30 of them. So, I'm probably up close to 100
00:38:04 ◼ ► hours of baseball that I've watched so far this year. And yet, I'm the one who was thinking,
00:38:10 ◼ ► just like a month ago. How crazy it is that my son watches people playing game, video of people
00:38:16 ◼ ► playing games rather than playing them himself. Whereas I haven't played baseball in 15 years and
00:38:22 ◼ ► watch hundreds of hours over the year. And it just hit me like a ton of bricks like, duh, it's the
00:38:27 ◼ ► same thing. You know, I'm into baseball. So I love watching my favorite baseball team play. He's into
00:38:32 ◼ ► video games. And so he loves watching people play video games. And I would rather watch people play
00:38:38 ◼ ► video games because I have a better chance than with my local sports team. I have a better chance
00:38:43 ◼ ► seeing somebody actually win. So. I think that maybe if you're Google YouTube, that makes a lot
00:38:57 ◼ ► of sense. I also think it's interesting that it's being dealt with as a YouTube acquisition,
00:39:03 ◼ ► not a Google acquisition. I thought that was interesting too. And I didn't even notice this,
00:39:06 ◼ ► but like the head of YouTube, her title is CEO. Like their YouTube, I didn't know that. I just
00:39:13 ◼ ► thought because they were trying to get the same unified sign in everywhere. I didn't realize that
00:39:17 ◼ ► YouTube is, you know, as independent as it seems to be. But it totally makes sense to be, you know,
00:39:24 ◼ ► for it to, you know, it does make sense that it's YouTube in particular, not Google in general that
00:39:29 ◼ ► might be making this acquisition. Yeah. Somebody and I apologize because I don't remember it was
00:39:34 ◼ ► a retweet of someone who I don't follow, but said that a while ago Vimeo had noticed that people were
00:39:56 ◼ ► you don't want that kind of thing on your... I mean, they're a little more artsy, I guess.
00:40:00 ◼ ► Yeah, and they've you know, they've yeah, they've always sort of differentiated themselves from YouTube or YouTube has sort of been like
00:40:15 ◼ ► The copyright stuff in particular and I'm sure that there's some kind of content based stuff that that would get
00:40:22 ◼ ► Rejected from YouTube, but if it's legal you can post it and they don't care what it is
00:40:31 ◼ ► I mean and they basically usually it seems like they usually wait for someone asked to have it taken down, right?
00:40:35 ◼ ► Whereas Vimeo is always sort of yeah exactly they sort of want a sort of artistic style. I
00:40:41 ◼ ► Don't know and they also have restrictions about commercials type stuff. You know where you can't
00:40:56 ◼ ► Aspect of it. Yeah, I thought it was more like but we don't we don't want let's play videos on our
00:41:05 ◼ ► I did see somebody tweeted that one of the things people who are fans of Twitter concerned about with the YouTube acquisition
00:41:15 ◼ ► You know and YouTube has gotten very very good at flagging such things identifying right copyright music
00:41:23 ◼ ► But to me, that's sort of a, you know, and, you know, I'm not a big fan of Google. I think it's
00:41:29 ◼ ► fair to say, but I have to say that if you're putting copyright music in your videos and
00:41:33 ◼ ► uploading them to a commercial website, and it gets flagged, it's on you. Yeah, there's sort of,
00:41:40 ◼ ► you know, the world's tiniest violin playing a sad song here for you. It's like, you know,
00:41:44 ◼ ► I understand that it's it in if, you know, it's one of those things like comics ology going to
00:41:50 ◼ ► Amazon where you know it is making it worse for you as a user but you know come on you know
00:42:04 ◼ ► Like you had to you know, you had to think eventually that's that bubble was gonna burst one way or the other
00:42:15 ◼ ► video people people spent you know note and observe observing noting and then monetizing the fact that
00:42:22 ◼ ► Millions of people are watching hundreds and hundreds of hours of people play video games this that's gonna become a thing
00:42:31 ◼ ► Idiots like me who think wow these crazy kids today. You know no longer see it as odd or unusual
00:42:39 ◼ ► Yeah, I think it may be you mentioned this before but I feel like that's this is kind of my first
00:43:07 ◼ ► I feel like I'm almost proud of myself for being as uncommudgeonly as to recognize that
00:43:13 ◼ ► this is normal, that I shouldn't be seeing, that I was wrong, that I shouldn't be seeing,
00:43:20 ◼ ► Jared: And it wasn't until he started watching that stuff that I even realized that this was
00:43:27 ◼ ► such a huge industry. I wrote that article about the guys doing Minecraft stuff and they're making
00:43:39 ◼ ► I mean, because it all comes down to the bottom line is attention. This is not a new observation,
00:43:46 ◼ ► it's obvious, but that's the one thing that we have collectively in the aggregate that's
00:43:51 ◼ ► a limited resource. Every person only has 24 hours in a day and we need to spend a certain
00:43:56 ◼ ► number of hours of that sleeping and eating and working or going to school or something.
00:44:01 ◼ ► So if you're capturing in the aggregate millions of hours of attention, there's tremendous value
00:44:30 ◼ ► is a good fit for starters, but also just, I mean, the fact that this guy who was working
00:45:09 ◼ ► Was just talking to somebody yesterday we we got together with friends yesterday out-of-town friends
00:45:16 ◼ ► And and we were talking about that the that's the thing that really greats about the Comcast
00:45:26 ◼ ► Merger which is really Comcast buying Time Warner, which is for almost the same amount of money like forty six billion dollars
00:45:33 ◼ ► It would be one thing if Comcast's argument was, "Okay, don't worry, this is still going
00:45:39 ◼ ► to be okay for consumers. Here's why." And there's some kind of argument they could make
00:45:56 ◼ ► largest competitor. It makes no sense, right? If the Yankees and Red Sox merged, you could say,
00:46:05 ◼ ► "Well, this would be good for baseball for this reason or the other." But you can't say it would
00:46:10 ◼ ► increase competition because it's two arch rivals with big budgets. It can't. Direct TV and AT&T
00:46:24 ◼ ► Yeah, it's the classic lobbyist talk. Yeah, I also saw that DirecTV in particular was part of
00:46:31 ◼ ► a compart of Comcast. And I think it's driven. It could be the sort of thing where maybe AT&T
00:46:38 ◼ ► wouldn't have done this if they didn't have the nagging feeling that this Comcast/Time Warner
00:46:49 ◼ ► But part of Comcast's argument that this is not anti-competitive or bad for consumers in
00:46:56 ◼ ► a competitive way is that the average U.S. citizen has like three options, or at least three options
00:47:04 ◼ ► as an alternative to Comcast and Time Warner. But it's not about cable service to your home or
00:47:10 ◼ ► any kind of wired thing. It's DirecTV, that they're counting as competition, something of an
00:47:24 ◼ ► glad that here in Tacoma we have a city provided broadband. You know, very few cities have
00:47:31 ◼ ► done that. Forget who else. I just saw somebody was, was it San Diego? I forget. They're
00:47:38 ◼ ► somewhere in Southern California where they have municipal Wi-Fi and that it works. It's
00:47:49 ◼ ► you're downtown and you can just walk around and get on the Wi-Fi and you have superior
00:48:42 ◼ ► I mean, it's certainly no worse than Comcast. I feel good that I'm not sending Comcast my money.
00:48:55 ◼ ► I mean, I experience ups and downs. I don't have any idea if I experience more ups and downs than
00:49:03 ◼ ► your average Comcast user. But I don't get a lot of them. And I pay for like the cheapest level.
00:50:01 ◼ ► do it during your free trial period. And then once your whole Mac is backed up over the
00:50:06 ◼ ► cloud to back blazes servers, everything else is just incremental after that. And they have
00:50:21 ◼ ► time. So if you're on your iPhone, and there's a file that you know is on your Mac and your
00:50:26 ◼ ► Mac is backed up to backblaze. You can just go into backblaze on your iPhone, go to where that
00:50:31 ◼ ► file is on your hard drive, and download it right there to your iPhone from anywhere, anytime.
00:50:37 ◼ ► And it's all for just $5 a month. No upgrades. There's no, oh, for well, there is a $5, $5 a
00:50:45 ◼ ► month tier, but it's not really the one you want. You're going to want to upgrade to a bigger thing
00:50:49 ◼ ► because you only get so much. No, it's nothing like that. It's just $5 a month for everybody,
00:50:55 ◼ ► per Mac. Great service. I always say it makes you sleep better knowing you have an offsite backup.
00:51:02 ◼ ► I've been using it. I forget how long I've been using it. And it just runs in the background
00:51:08 ◼ ► on your Mac. Nothing to worry about. Just a great service. I think it's probably a great thing,
00:51:13 ◼ ► not just for all of you out there listening to the show. But it's also a great thing that you could
00:51:20 ◼ ► set up for your parents or anybody like less technical family and friends members who have
00:51:25 ◼ ► Macs so that you know that everything they have is getting backed up off site just in case
00:51:32 ◼ ► something bad happens in the house or wherever their Mac is great, great, great service.
00:51:36 ◼ ► If you haven't tried it, I just can't imagine what you're waiting for. And I don't even know,
00:51:42 ◼ ► I can't imagine why anybody would try it and then not sign up for it because it's just so great.
00:51:48 ◼ ► Where do you go to sign up and find out more easy? Go to their website, www dot back blaze.com
00:52:07 ◼ ► Yes, just you but you should I currently don't have offsite backup. Well, then you're not is dumb.
00:52:16 ◼ ► Yeah, really dumb. And you should start it. Start it right now while we're recording the show over
00:52:21 ◼ ► Skype because I'm sure that won't cause any trouble whatsoever. I'll wait until we're done.
00:52:31 ◼ ► I already ruined it. I tell you, it does put perspective on it. Where if you want, you know,
00:52:45 ◼ ► and it was mega mega news for you know a week and a half if assuming it comes to fruition this week
00:52:52 ◼ ► i'm sure it'll pop pop back up to the top of the tech news uh what is that 1 15th the size of
00:52:59 ◼ ► atnt's purchase of direct tv yeah do you think that they would wait until wwdc i've that's it
00:53:08 ◼ ► i thought of that i you know they're close enough now because what we're as we record today we're
00:53:13 ◼ ► two weeks to the day. We're recording on Monday the 19th. So, we're two weeks to the day. So,
00:53:18 ◼ ► I don't know. Why not? And especially if they have some sort of consumer-based story to tell about
00:53:28 ◼ ► why they're doing it and what they have planned together, why not? Why not just get all the
00:53:35 ◼ ► paperwork ready to go and don't put the signatures down until Sunday, June 1st, and then Monday,
00:53:41 ◼ ► June 2nd have something on the keynote. It's close enough that I wouldn't be surprised.
00:53:47 ◼ ► Then you got instant news. Not that anybody's probably not going to write about it anyway, but…
00:53:53 ◼ ► Well, and they get their own… They get to spin it their way. Tell their side of the story and
00:54:03 ◼ ► explain themselves first in a in a in a forum that's more you know a richer medium than just
00:54:15 ◼ ► a press release right a press release you just can write what you want to say whereas during a
00:54:19 ◼ ► wwdc keynote you can tell it and you can you know use use your voice and you know slides and
00:54:32 ◼ ► it's, you know, it's the way that, you know, there's something about watching people talk
00:54:38 ◼ ► that's different and better than just reading about it. Right. The iPhone announcement in
00:54:43 ◼ ► 2007 would not have been the iPhone announcement if it had just come out in a press release
00:55:21 ◼ ► Stan Sigmund was to the iPhone keynote what Christian Laitner was to the Dream Team. Do
00:55:32 ◼ ► you remember the Dream Team, the first time the US sent professional basketball players to the
00:55:44 ◼ ► it's just you know those three the three at the top are arguably that I think well you know LeBron's
00:55:49 ◼ ► probably up there now maybe I don't know but you know at the time they were all three were
00:55:53 ◼ ► considered arguably the single greatest player of all time all on the same team oh you know almost
00:56:00 ◼ ► all not just all stars but Hall of Famers down the line and then they had they had room for one
00:56:06 ◼ ► college player and it it could have been either Shaq who wound up having a fantastic pro career
00:56:12 ◼ ► you know, Hall of Fame career, or Christian Leitner from Duke, and they picked Christian Leitner.
00:57:40 ◼ ► I'm gonna have another live audience episode of the talk show. I've done this last two years as we the third year
00:58:12 ◼ ► I will announce it here on the show in the next episode not this episode not not the one you're listening to right now
00:58:23 ◼ ► Have instructions URL or something like that where you go to buy your tickets for the show. So the first crack at
00:58:41 ◼ ► Keep your eyes peeled for the next episode of the talk show episode 82 give it a listen and in that show
00:59:05 ◼ ► Two weeks now, maybe you want to hold off on you want to hold off on speculation for your next show?
00:59:19 ◼ ► Big iPhone, I don't think so. Oh, wait. Wait, wait. I got a better. I got a better question split-screen iPad. Yeah
00:59:36 ◼ ► Mark Gurman who reported it enough that I don't think that he you know, I think his source probably, you know was reasonably
01:00:05 ◼ ► apps at the same time. But you wouldn't really want to write my guess is if it's true, it's
01:01:06 ◼ ► be a new size. It would be a new window size, right? Because it's, you know, it's something
01:01:21 ◼ ► work on existing iPads. Um, and then, so you could just take the half the size of the iPad
01:01:27 ◼ ► screen and that's the size that the app would be running in, you know, 10, 20, 2048, uh,
01:02:05 ◼ ► in sort of insinuated that it might have implications for well, I guess he said this, but
01:02:11 ◼ ► for data sharing between different apps. On that point, I think he was I think he was guessing,
01:02:20 ◼ ► guessing. Yeah, I don't think so. Because I don't think Yeah, it didn't seem like that was,
01:02:23 ◼ ► you know, what came from his source. It seemed like that was his reference. Yeah, I don't think
01:04:31 ◼ ► Yeah, full screen can getting into full screen mode accidentally required a phone call and I feel like whatever the iPad does for
01:04:39 ◼ ► Two apps on the screen at the same time cannot be something that it's gonna get me a phone call
01:04:44 ◼ ► Yeah, if I get a phone call about it, then I then Apple is somebody didn't do their job
01:04:55 ◼ ► Convenient enough that power users who know what they're doing and who really want to do it can get into it easy enough that it's that
01:05:10 ◼ ► Don't want to call them iPad doubters, but you know people who just generally down on the iPad as like a
01:05:28 ◼ ► In iOS, especially on the iPad maybe compared to the phone just because it's big enough that you could do stuff
01:05:34 ◼ ► Like nobody is saying they want two apps on the same time on the iPhone or at least nobody's saying
01:05:45 ◼ ► computers in general are to most people. It's just if you understand it and you never really
01:06:05 ◼ ► it. I didn't link to it because it was, you know, it's like one of those things like you
01:06:12 ◼ ► meant it honestly, but he said, look at how, you know, how huge the usability advantage
01:06:16 ◼ ► of Android is versus iOS. Usability, he called it. And it was his his home screen on both
01:06:26 ◼ ► devices. And he carries both like for work for some reason, he has an Android, a Galaxy
01:06:41 ◼ ► of like home automation ones so that he can like, you know, open his garage door and change
01:06:47 ◼ ► his thermostat and do all this stuff without ever entering an app, but do it right from
01:06:51 ◼ ► his Android home screen, which is cool in a geeky way. It's kind of, you know, and obviously
01:06:57 ◼ ► it makes him happy. And maybe, you know, he's too fiddly. Yeah, he's a perfect example of
01:07:21 ◼ ► usability advantage for different people iOS has in terms of never making people feel like they're
01:07:26 ◼ ► lost. Right? Because what happens you're in two screen mode and you hit the home button,
01:07:32 ◼ ► what happens? Do both apps go away and replace with your home screen? Because that's what I
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01:10:25 ◼ ► So I don't know if you notice as I tweeted a couple of times about it, but a couple of weeks ago, I
01:10:29 ◼ ► bought I bought a Firefox Firefox, yeah, the ZTE open see Firefox OS phone. I saw it. I forget what
01:10:41 ◼ ► site I was reading. But it said that they started to sell it in the US on eBay. It's like an eBay
01:10:46 ◼ ► store. You just go there $99 smartphone unlocked. Oh, it's on. Of course, it's of course, it's on.
01:10:55 ◼ ► unlocked. So, you just go there and you spend 99 bucks. A couple days later, you get your phone.
01:11:06 ◼ ► I get these things and never end up writing about it. But long story short, it's not a good phone.
01:11:13 ◼ ► Oh, darn. B, one thing though that is interesting is that they copied conceptually, and I don't
01:11:31 ◼ ► years behind the footsteps of the modern smartphone, which is a touchscreen device that more or
01:11:56 ◼ ► as the iPhone, except it doesn't have a mute switch. So there's an on/off switch at the
01:12:01 ◼ ► top, just like the iPhone. Volume up, volume down on the side. And then on the front face,
01:12:08 ◼ ► underneath the screen, there's just a circle, and that circle is the home button. And the
01:12:12 ◼ ► home button does exactly what the home button on the iPhone does, is it takes you to a home
01:12:40 ◼ ► regard it is really pretty bad. And I don't mean that you just pop your sim out and put
01:12:51 ◼ ► it's a GSM phone and so it doesn't work. And I was I was going to go to T mobile and just
01:13:29 ◼ ► that you could get one for it's like 50 bucks a month and it's prepaid. You don't have to get
01:13:33 ◼ ► in a contract or anything, but even 50 bucks felt like too much to waste on this thing.
01:13:37 ◼ ► Where at a dollar? Well, you know, and I don't regret the $100 I feel like it I got $100 worth
01:13:42 ◼ ► of curiosity answered and just using it at home on the Wi Fi network is more than enough to satisfy
01:13:49 ◼ ► my questions about it. I don't feel I don't feel like the ability to actually go out and use it
01:13:53 ◼ ► outside the house right would answer anything other than, you know, so I haven't been able
01:13:59 ◼ ► will send any text messages because I don't have a SIM card in it and I haven't been able
01:14:13 ◼ ► when I say that it's not good, I do not mean in comparison to a $700 iPhone 5S, which is
01:14:19 ◼ ► truly not a fair comparison. A $99 unlocked phone to an iPhone 5S that in the unlocked,
01:14:27 ◼ ► know, sells for seven or $800, which is that's not a fair comparison. I would say and I don't
01:14:33 ◼ ► have it here. So I can't you know, I don't have one in the house. But where Nokia has been going
01:14:39 ◼ ► and now Nokia's handset division is part of Microsoft. And Motorola has been going on Android,
01:14:47 ◼ ► in terms of lower cost smartphones. And I did see when I was out at build for the Microsoft
01:14:53 ◼ ► conference a month ago, I saw a low end Nokia, Windows phone handset that I think unlocked
01:15:16 ◼ ► anything caliber, not even iPhone four s caliber, but pretty good, like in terms of things like
01:15:22 ◼ ► frame rate and, you know, load a web page and slide your thumb around and how does it keep up
01:15:27 ◼ ► with your thumb and stuff like that pretty good. And I know Motorola has a new thing I forget which
01:15:32 ◼ ► the model number is, but they have one that's like $129. And so they're not quite at the $99 price I
01:15:38 ◼ ► paid for this, but 129 to 99 is pretty fair comparison. And this this phone has got a lot
01:15:44 ◼ ► of problems. Video. So when you shoot video on this phone, it's like 380 by like 240 pixels,
01:15:59 ◼ ► So you're, you know, I mean, it's almost like if that's all they were able to put in here,
01:16:08 ◼ ► I almost, I mean, I guess it's better than nothing, but it's not much better than nothing.
01:16:12 ◼ ► Yeah. Can you remember? Do you remember that the original iPhone didn't shoot video? Yeah,
01:16:17 ◼ ► that's that is I caught myself thinking about that kind of crazy. Is that right? I was like,
01:16:24 ◼ ► that can't be right. And then they like went back and looked and I was like, Yep, that was right.
01:16:27 ◼ ► But I do think I bet that that was the sort of decision Apple made with the original iPhone,
01:16:34 ◼ ► where they probably could have done something like shot posted stamp sized 15 frames per second
01:16:39 ◼ ► video and they were like it'd be better not to even shoot video than to offer video like that
01:16:44 ◼ ► eventually there was an app how did that work right that's sort of when did video come to the
01:16:51 ◼ ► iPhone was it was it was another 3g 3gs because the 3gs the 3g only because it needed a better
01:16:57 ◼ ► processor right the 3g only added 3g and a new a new case design right but technically it didn't
01:17:06 ◼ ► didn't increase the CPU. You know, didn't increase the RAM, didn't increase the storage.
01:17:10 ◼ ► The one and only technical difference other than the outside appearance between the original iPhone
01:17:15 ◼ ► and the 3G was 3G. Maybe there was a jailbreak app that added video to the earlier ones. Because
01:17:25 ◼ ► I remember that there was one and I never installed it just because I think by that point,
01:17:30 ◼ ► I already moved on. The camera is just really bad. The video, it's not just that the video is low.
01:17:34 ◼ ► It's it really takes terrible, terrible photographs. And again, I so with the Nokia one,
01:17:42 ◼ ► the Nokia is low end $129 smartphone. The only photos I got to take I was in a room in Moscone,
01:17:49 ◼ ► where they had demo unit set up for media to play with. I mean, but I could I it the Nokia has a,
01:17:56 ◼ ► you know, if anything, they have it. Yeah. If anything, Apple just Apple just hired their
01:18:01 ◼ ► Yeah, yeah. And from everything I've read about it, that's a pretty big hire that he wasn't,
01:18:06 ◼ ► it's not just the name that he actually was largely, you know, played a big part in making
01:18:11 ◼ ► Nokia. They're either one and two or two and one. I mean, that's, you know, more or less the gist
01:18:16 ◼ ► is that the two best companies that at mobile photography right now are Apple and Nokia. And
01:18:21 ◼ ► it doesn't matter which one you think is one and which ones too. You know, they're just leading the
01:18:30 ◼ ► it just feels like it's at least 10 years old. And it makes me wonder about Firefox in general.
01:18:38 ◼ ► I mean, I know I've was never really a full time Firefox user on the on the desktop. But it just
01:18:45 ◼ ► it's like, why are they way it just feels to me like this is just a waste of time on their part.
01:18:51 ◼ ► I don't know. And I feel like they're they feel locked out because these mobile platforms don't
01:18:57 ◼ ► allow, at least iOS certainly doesn't allow them to include their own rendering engine. You know,
01:19:04 ◼ ► even Chrome doesn't get to Chrome for iOS doesn't use the Chrome rendering engine. It's just a Chrome
01:19:11 ◼ ► wrapper around the system's WebKit version. You know, and so if you're a company like Mozilla,
01:19:23 ◼ ► engine out there powering people surfing the web. I could see why you would want a mobile operating
01:19:29 ◼ ► system of your own so you could do it. But if this is how far behind you are, boy, it's going to be
01:19:34 ◼ ► tough to get anybody to—I just can't see why anybody would buy it. If you have the $99 to spend
01:19:40 ◼ ► on it, I just can't see why you wouldn't save up another $30 and get a Motorola Android phone or
01:19:46 ◼ ► get a Nokia Windows 8 phone when you get so much more. And much more likely you'd get the Android
01:20:01 ◼ ► Right. I just feel—and I feel like the only other reason I can think of that someone would
01:20:04 ◼ ► buy this phone would be the politics of it, you know, that you support the whole political angle
01:20:10 ◼ ► of Mozilla and the, you know, open web and etc., etc. But I just don't see how there's enough
01:20:21 ◼ ► Right. Well, it looks like it erased my notebook. I had some notes, but they were written using the
01:20:31 ◼ ► notebook app on the actual phone and it seems as though now they're gone. That's a shame.
01:20:38 ◼ ► I can remember a lot of them. One of the big problems with this operating system is that it
01:20:55 ◼ ► things and people who support, who are fans of it, I guess, tried to call me a hypocrite
01:21:10 ◼ ► Well, that's because it's not 2007 anymore, right? It's you know, the world's moved on and
01:21:24 ◼ ► It was acceptable for Apple then but it's unacceptable now and they said no it was unacceptable for Apple then - it used to drive me
01:21:37 ◼ ► Shortcoming, but it was clearly acceptable because we were using it and you're even admitting that you still used it, right?
01:21:47 ◼ ► Can't imagine why someone would buy this phone where they can't select cut copy and paste
01:21:51 ◼ ► When for about the same amount of money they could buy a different one that does I mean everything has to be taken in
01:22:05 ◼ ► Even with its flaws right that people and we did put up with it with those shortcomings
01:22:13 ◼ ► Can't believe that it erased my notes. I think it's because I might let the battery die. I don't know
01:22:22 ◼ ► You can't and you know even the web browser which you would think would be the one thing that might be good because it's you know
01:22:40 ◼ ► You can't jump to the top like it doesn't have the iPhone thing where you just tap the status bar and scroll to the top
01:22:51 ◼ ► So if you're scrolled down on a web page and you want to switch to another tab that's open
01:22:55 ◼ ► You have to sit there and flick flick flick flick flick flick flick flick flick flick flick flick flick flick flick flick flick flick and and
01:23:01 ◼ ► It doesn't really have a lot of inertia either. So if it's a long enough page that you've been reading
01:23:20 ◼ ► Therefore there's no bookmark. Let's and I use you know, it's there's no book. There are no bookmarks that no
01:23:33 ◼ ► Well, I guess our bookmarks here. Oh, yeah. I've just found it. Well, let's just say that the bookmarks are hidden
01:23:47 ◼ ► Not intuitive the email client isn't too bad. It's got a decent. I map client. It's usable at least
01:23:55 ◼ ► But they just and you know and it's this whole is it Thunderbird is a branded Thunderbird is that no are they owned by?
01:24:01 ◼ ► Oh, I don't know if they talk about Thunderbird anymore. No, they call it. It's just called email
01:24:12 ◼ ► To me looks like and I you know, God knows I love some curmudgeonly grammar and spelling and stuff like that
01:24:25 ◼ ► um and they have a thing called marketplace which is like their app store but really it's just sort
01:24:31 ◼ ► of like a directory of mobile operated mobile optimized websites and when you create an app
01:24:38 ◼ ► and download an app out of one of these things it's really just you know like when you're on iOS
01:24:43 ◼ ► like when you use the plus button and save a web page as an app and it just you just lose the
01:24:48 ◼ ► browser chrome um so that's like what the twitter app for this thing is the twitter app is just a
01:24:55 ◼ ► it seems a little bit different than when you go to Twitter on an iPhone, but not much.
01:25:05 ◼ ► And therefore though, you can't do anything like have two different accounts any more than you can
01:25:11 ◼ ► have two accounts on the Twitter website. There's no account switching. So it's just, when you use
01:25:19 ◼ ► Twitter on this, it's just the mobile Twitter website. Yeah. I remember that those days of
01:25:24 ◼ ► using like the mobile Major League Baseball site and all those the website's mobile yeah
01:25:31 ◼ ► right right no that's a lot like using this mostly mostly because of edge all right not because
01:25:38 ◼ ► they were better they were just they loaded faster right and so on the one hand there's the web and
01:25:47 ◼ ► what you call the web as a developer can mean different things to different people and one
01:25:51 ◼ ► thing could just be using HTML, CSS, and JavaScript to do the actual layout and development of the app.
01:26:02 ◼ ► And webOS worked that way, right? From Palm and later HP, where apps were really just sort of like
01:26:08 ◼ ► bundles that inside were implemented using HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. And there's nothing wrong
01:26:13 ◼ ► with that. Although there's some performance problems you have to overcome if you want to be
01:26:19 ◼ ► compared favorably to native code, like Objective C running on iOS, or even the Java type bytecode
01:26:29 ◼ ► that you run on Android. But it could be overcome. But what Firefox OS does really is just load
01:26:38 ◼ ► things, you know, actual websites over the internet and save them. And so a lot of stuff stops working
01:26:44 ◼ ► if you don't have an internet connection. Like there's games, they call it, there's games you
01:26:50 ◼ ► can get. But then if you don't have an internet connection, the games don't load because you can't
01:26:54 ◼ ► connect to the server anymore. And it's not entirely cached locally. And I just don't feel
01:27:00 ◼ ► like there's any, you know, I don't, we haven't gotten to a place where always having an internet
01:27:14 ◼ ► the thing you bought? You bought the for similar reasons. Like, I want to find out what the
01:27:36 ◼ ► was it was all right. I mean, it's, you know, for I mean, I think in that case, at the price,
01:28:03 ◼ ► But I, you know, not a year into using it, I ended up having battery problems and then,
01:28:11 ◼ ► I had to reset it, recondition it to get it to the point where it would really hold a charge for
01:28:16 ◼ ► a good amount of time. And then one of the things I wanted to use it for was listening to music
01:28:22 ◼ ► on my desk as I was working. And it was just... There was a lot of bleed through in the device
01:28:31 ◼ ► of sound from other electronics. The kind of problems that we used to have with... I mean,
01:29:33 ◼ ► I mean, I'll wait until I see it, but I don't feel like I want a bigger iPhone particularly.
01:29:39 ◼ ► I'm curious. The other thing I guess I'm curious about, and it occurred to me when I was thinking
01:29:43 ◼ ► about how the buttons are the same as the iPhone, except for the lack of a mute switch,
01:29:47 ◼ ► but most phones don't have mute switches. And Apple, who is notoriously sort of minimalist
01:30:01 ◼ ► like whenever I try out these other phones and you have to do like this one the way to get into mute
01:30:05 ◼ ► is you hold down the power button and instead of you know like as though to turn off the phone
01:30:09 ◼ ► but you get a menu with four options turn off airplane mode or turn it on silence incoming
01:30:21 ◼ ► at least an android phone that I had a while ago did where if you wanted to turn off the sound you
01:30:27 ◼ ► hold down the power button, wait for a menu to come up, and then hit it. I love that, like,
01:30:33 ◼ ► at the start of my son's concert a couple weeks ago, I didn't even have to take my phone out of
01:30:48 ◼ ► I do the opposite. I mean, I almost always have it in mute and only when I'm expecting a call that
01:31:27 ◼ ► not going to tell me when to silence my phone. I'm turning mine up. And I've set my ringtone
01:31:38 ◼ ► school program by some bouncers. Now, I'd seen like back in the fall, I'd seen a few things
01:31:57 ◼ ► playing field. If they had come out with this in 2009, two years after the iPhone, I would say
01:32:03 ◼ ► maybe because that's when Android was new too. I think it was the end of 2008 when the first
01:32:26 ◼ ► And had a lot of problems and a lot of problems just like this where you know it was it was like they were still
01:32:32 ◼ ► Growing out you know they'd started with the idea of an operating system that required a keyboard and required an up-down left rice device
01:32:55 ◼ ► Long long time ago though since I could have you know used a phone of any operating system where you can't even select text
01:33:05 ◼ ► bizarre just feels like and it just makes me think that Mozilla as a whole is just off in their own cocoon and
01:33:10 ◼ ► Echo chamber in terms of you know, the politics of the whole thing are the only reason keeping it afloat
01:33:24 ◼ ► I guess that they have of all the people who switched to Firefox on Windows a decade ago, you know still
01:33:31 ◼ ► Giving them some revenue because they go up to the search bar and search through Google and that they have a you know
01:34:14 ◼ ► It's called don't make me turn this turning this don't make me turn this car around automobile over
01:34:20 ◼ ► With on the freeway with turning this car around turning this car around with John Armstrong and Casey and the other guy Casey lists