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You should have tried to get you should have gotten Martha Stewart on this week. Well, what's going on with that?
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I've been so busy this week. I saw Martha Stewart was in the news and I have no idea why
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So - well, she did two things this week
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Well, I guess her company did one of them, but she got sued by loads loads us
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Oh, you know she loads us. So she got sued by loads us for like five thousand bucks
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Over like the in-app purchase thing. She's she's got some I
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I don't even know what they are, but she's got some apps.
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Some app that uses in-app purchase.
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Yes, some app that uses in-app purchases.
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So they sued her, and she's like, "Oh, no.
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For those of you –"
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No, not to Martha.
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Martha Stewart, you don't.
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So she's suing them.
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She's trying to get their claim invalidated.
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Yeah, which would be great, because I think that would have – I assume that would have
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implications for everybody else.
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Yeah, totally.
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For all those of you guys who don't remember, LODESYS, L-O-D-S-Y-S, I think it stands for
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– it's like a Latin word that means a bunch of assholes – is a true patent troll.
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Like it's their quote, unquote –
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They make nothing.
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They make nothing.
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Their office is like a broom closet in Texas.
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Patent troll gets overused.
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patent troll is used by like and there's all sorts of totally legitimate complaints about
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the US patent system and worldwide patents and software patents in particular and people
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throw around the term patent troll to mean companies that are doing objectionable things
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with patents.
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But patent troll is really a company that is like the epitome of the problems with the
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patent system which is a company that actually has no product, doesn't do anything, has a
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patent but has no product that actually does the thing that the patent covers
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that just exists to sue people and and extort licenses and that's what loads us
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is and that they've gone after which is the further objectionable part they've
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gone after a lot of little guys like you know like when you sue Apple over a
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patent or you sue Microsoft well you know they're ready for it and they sue
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other people they've got you know big team of full-time patent lawyers and I'm
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I'm sure it's a pain in the ass to them every time it happens, but it's nowhere near as
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big a deal as when you sue, say, like our friends at the icon factory or James Thompson,
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the guy behind Drag Thing. His TLA Systems is literally a two-person company. It's him
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and his wife, and then they've got a big patent fight on their hands. So, hooray for you,
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Martha Stewart.
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And then she drops her iPad.
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Cracks the corner, cracks the glass in the corner I guess.
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I don't think it's all the way across but I didn't get it too far into this rabbit hole.
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But she tweeted something about, "So do I just wait until someone from Apple comes and picks it up?"
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And then she was kind of getting upset about it on Twitter and then apparently I guess
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she got called by or somehow she got feedback from Apple PR saying, "Hey, you know, lighten
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And so she said something about that on Twitter too.
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But her complaint or part of her complaint was that she said, "You guys should fix this.
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Steve Jobs gave me this iPad.
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You know what?
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I don't know.
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I'm not exactly sure how to react to this.
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I mean, if Steve gives you an iPad...
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You do want it fixed.
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Should the company take care of that iPad in perpetuity?
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I don't know.
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That's funny.
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That seems like kind of a...
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It also means she must be using a pretty old iPad.
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I mean because what's the last one he could have given her it would have been like a
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like a two maybe
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Yeah, I think I had to yeah, and not even a retina screen gross
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And then on the other hand yeah, I think Martha Stewart could probably afford to buy herself a new iPad yeah, you would think so
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It's pretty awesome though because she could obviously afford to pay loads his five thousand dollars
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And it's really cool that instead of doing that she's gonna spend a lot more than that to fight right right? That's pretty awesome
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Yeah, so yeah, maybe her frugality is because that's exactly that
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That's that it's extortion the patent troll game is genuine extortion where they just they they set a price that is you know
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Way less than it would cost to fight and so it just yeah
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You know it can be a very practical and I don't blame anybody who settles
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You know who knows I might too. I don't know depending on what they did. You know that it's you know it can be
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Incredibly expensive to fight. That's what makes it extortion
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I'd love to see you know probably don't want to know the list of people that they've
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Yeah, extorted to date. Yeah, and it's so funny because it was like it's just like when I've seen some of the list
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it's just it just
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Ying Yang's between like multi-billion dollar conglomerates and like yeah one person mom-and-pop
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part-time software jobs
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Because I remember the one time when TLA systems was announced as one of their targets which is James Thompson's
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You know little two-person software company was like the next company listed was the Walt Disney Company
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Well, hopefully she sticks it to him.
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Yeah, that'd be great.
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So anyway, you couldn't get her, so you got me.
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Yeah, couldn't get her.
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Boy, I've always been a big fan of Martha Stewart.
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Yeah, I think I have too.
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I used to watch – Amy and I used to watch her show.
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We didn't really make time for it.
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It would be like a flipping through the channels, and when the Martha Stewart show was on, we'd
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And it was like – and it sounds so dreadfully boring, and it kind of is, except that it's
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It's so boring that it wraps around and is fascinating.
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She is such an interesting person.
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She's so clearly an obsessive compulsive nerd.
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She's in her own way a design nerd.
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It's like there are so many ways on her show where she just does not try to hide it.
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I don't think that her and Steve Jobs were pals, but I think that in a way that he was
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sort of a nut.
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she's a nut in the same ways and it was just fascinating yeah actually and
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thinking about it I mean she went to jail because I mean I'm assuming she
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probably had multiple chances to settle that you know I don't remember about
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that if she could sell no I mean she really got screwed though she really did
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she did get I think she got screwed too but and so maybe they were trying to
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make it yeah I think that I don't know that she had a chance to settle I really
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don't yeah maybe that's maybe that's true but you think that I don't know if
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You think from the SEC's point of view, you don't look good sending Martha to jail.
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Yeah, you would, but I don't know.
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SEC doesn't really seem to show much interest in sending the people who should go to jail
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There's sort of inmates running the asylum aspect to the SEC.
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Maybe that's it.
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It's like she's not one of them, really.
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She's an entertainer.
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One of my favorite things about the mostly old Martha Stewart show, Amy, my wife has
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a terrific margarita recipe, but it's really just, it's just a slightly tweaked version
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of, and she, and Amy admits it, we got from Martha Stewart.
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And then, Chick, you would think, really, you're going to get a margarita recipe from
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Martha Stewart?
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But it's fantastic.
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Number one, it is, I think, literally three quarters tequila.
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It's like three parts tequila to like a quarter part fresh lime and orange juice.
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Well, and there's orange in it too.
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And it really-- and that's mostly lime, but a little bit of, I think, orange juice.
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But it's all fresh squeezed and three quarters tequila.
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And it was like, who knew?
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But that actually is sort of the key to a good margarita.
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Served in hand-blown glass.
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- Yeah, of course.
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- On a doily that you made yourself.
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- Right, and then when I made it,
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I was serving it out of paper cups.
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So here's a good one.
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I loved, it's where, I love this stuff.
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I love these, the analysts.
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You see the thing with the, you know,
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Philip Elmer DeWitt has always seemed,
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he does a good job of sort of--
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- Collecting that stuff.
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Yeah, like analyst specific claim chowder and just sort of holding them to their predictions.
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And the thing with the iPhone 5s and C is how many were they going to sell on the opening
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And for years, Apple has, I think every year, every time the iPhones come out, after the
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opening weekend, they've announced how many they sold.
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And the Wall Street consensus was like five to six million.
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And there were a couple like, what's his name, the TV guy.
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Monster, Gene Monster was calling for five or six million.
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Then Apple announces the number and it's nine million and instead of, "Wow, we were wrong.
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They sold a lot more."
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It was, "Oh, well, they didn't really sell nine million.
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They really sold five or six million," which is what we said.
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And there's like a bunch of them in a closet somewhere or on a store shelves or something
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Tim Cynova Or I think what the Wall Street Journal did
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was said, "Yeah, they sold that many but you have to back out all these other ones."
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First of all, you have to take out China.
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Dave Asprey Yeah, China doesn't count.
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Tim Cynova China doesn't count because they just went
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Dave Asprey Yeah, so that doesn't count.
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Tim Cynova That doesn't count.
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The fact that they're selling two new phones, so you got to take out the C because that
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count that doesn't count so when you take out all these other things then the
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sales are not that impressive even though the numbers that they were
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calling for before they announced them they didn't say oh we're not counting
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the 5c we're only counting the 5s they just they that's what makes it so
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comical to me like you know I hate to be wrong I really do I've said before like
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if there's you know it is the whole point of daring fireball is to write
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about great products and to try never to be wrong.
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But I fail, I do.
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I mean, it's human, so I'm wrong sometimes.
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And you know what I do when I'm wrong?
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I say, "Okay, I was wrong, here's why."
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And you know what, it's great.
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It's like such a relief.
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Just say it, just try it sometime.
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- I was wrong.
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It is a good question, though.
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Like, there is, and again, I think that these guys
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clearly were wrong because they were calling out total iPhone sold for the weekend in their
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predictions but I do think it is an interesting question as to what the split is between the
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5s and the 5c and how does that compare to previous years like last year just one year
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ago when the iPhone 5 went on sale did they sell a lot of the then year old 4s because
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the discount applied to the 4S over the same weekend? I tend to think no. I tend to think
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that the, you know, especially when they were just year old and two year old models at the lower price
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points, that those just sold to people as they on a regular schedule, you know, like when they decided
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to buy a new phone, they go in the store and get it. Whereas the people who actually know, hey, the
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The new iPhone goes on sale today at 9 o'clock.
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They're all interested in the top of the line one.
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People don't go wait in line to buy it.
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But this is the first time you could actually have some kind of indication about how well
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that second tier sold.
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Well, how good is that?
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Well, they're included in the numbers now.
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They're included in the new numbers.
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I'm assuming.
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Well, oh, well.
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I mean, I wonder, does Apple include-- I guess they probably do.
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They probably include the 4S too, don't they?
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Well, I don't know about that.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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But anyway, even if they're throwing the 4S in there as well, couldn't you tell-- this
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one from Locallytics tried to do a web analysis to see what the percentage of 5Cs on the web
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on the web was versus 5Ss.
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And I think they came up with something like--
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I'll have to go back and look.
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It was like a 4 to 1?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that.
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I don't know how they did that, though, because--
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well, maybe I'm wrong.
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I actually don't even know what those in-app analytics packages
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Yeah, I don't know that either, but I'm assuming that they
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figured it out somehow.
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Yeah, you could run some tests on the CPU speed or something
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and know that you're running on an A7 instead of an A6.
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But I don't know--
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- But it's not gonna tell you the exact model.
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- Right, I don't know how you would be able
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to tell a 5C apart from a plain old 5,
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which is really what it looks like internally.
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I don't know, maybe there's some way.
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The other thing, I didn't link to their thing
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because I don't trust those in-app analytics stats
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all that much because--
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- No, I don't either.
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- 'Cause I question the sort of apps that include them.
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Like, I feel like a lot of the apps I use don't use sketchy ad-based analytics, because
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I don't use apps that have ads.
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Well, you guys use that, right?
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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It's loaded up with everything.
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We just have all those.
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It's really only about 100.
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No, it's a good call.
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Otherwise, you don't get good data.
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Yeah, we tracked your location.
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All not true.
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We should be very clear about that.
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But I just don't know.
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That was funny too though because all those people jumped on the fact that after the 5C
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went on pre-order the week before that Apple didn't announce anything about those numbers.
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But like I wrote when that became like a little mini scandal and everybody jumped – or
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not everybody, but the pessimists jumped to the conclusion that they must be bad because
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otherwise they'd promote them, that there's no way they were going to break out the 5S
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from 5C because they don't want competitors to know that.
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The other thing that Philip Omer DeWitt points out is that all these analysts are going nuts
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about this and none of the other smartphone companies ever just – they don't even
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say how many phones they've sold, period.
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Amazon doesn't say how many phones they've sold.
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Every once in a while, they do, right?
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It's like out of context or you can't really pin it down.
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It's not the same.
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It's not the same.
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There's a whole question about them doing shipments as opposed to sales.
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They don't know exactly when this phone gets sold anyway.
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But when Apple sells a phone from its store, it's sold.
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And one of the other things, too, is that clearly the stores, just like with Dow Rumple
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last week on the show, if you wanted to get one on Friday, you should have gone to an
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Apple store, not the carrier stores, because that's where the stores that are getting the
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most of them.
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And Apple doesn't count those as sold until customers have sold them.
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They do count.
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Like when they ship a box of brand new iPhones to a Verizon wireless retail store, those
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count as sold because Verizon takes the phones and gives Apple money and they count as sold.
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And so if they are sitting unsold in the Verizon store, they haven't been sold to customers
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But the ones that go to the Apple stores, they don't count until you have it.
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And that's also true for the as yet unshipped online orders.
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And so I don't even know.
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I think the last I checked, every single one of the 5S's,
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every color, when you go to order it online now,
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it doesn't give you a date.
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It just says October.
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Oh, is that right?
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Because I think that they're--
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I don't know.
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I feel like they can't even--
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they just don't want to estimate.
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But that means however many people--
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right now have ordered online a new 5S,
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and it isn't yet in their hands.
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It's coming in October, but those won't count as sold by Apple until you actually
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have it in your hand.
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I actually went to the carrier store because I was switching from AT&T to Verizon and I
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didn't know how well Apple would be able to deal with that.
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But also because I walked right up.
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That was the other thing.
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And I wasn't getting – I got a 16 gig black, you know, space gray.
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So I knew I was getting a phone that they were most likely to have.
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If I was trying to get white or gold, I certainly wouldn't have gone there, but I figured,
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oh, 16 gig space gray, they're going to have that.
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And sure enough, I went and I got my phone and I walked by the Apple store after that
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and there was still a line.
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It wasn't huge, but there was still a line like 30 people long outside the phone.
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You're saying me and Dalrymple gave you bad advice.
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I didn't listen to you guys until after I already had my phone anyways.
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I agree with that.
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I mean, if you're listening as you walk home with your iPhone in your hand as you went by the line.
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I just think it depends. It depends on what you're looking for and what you're trying to accomplish.
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I was at the XOXO in Portland last weekend.
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Now, I already, I was, you know, the jerk who already had a 5S because I had the review
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unit from Apple and I had the gold one, you know, so I could actually prove that I had
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the new one.
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So, all I did was, but I did, I bought my own personal one, Space Gray, but I ordered
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online because there was no way I was getting up and getting in the line.
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ordered right at like midnight 01 like when my phone said 12 00 put down my
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drink open up the Apple Store app which I think is the best way to do it I opened
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up the app and it said you want to I want to replace this phone the phone I'm
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using with a new one here's the one I want and click like two more buttons and
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then it said okay your order is placed it'll be there in one to three days
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wait you're saying it knew which phone you had yes the Apple when you and I did
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this I think before too but when you order a new iPhone using the Apple store
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app on your iPhone it'll offer you know do you want a new phone or do you want
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to replace this very phone and you know gave me my phone number and I said yes I
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want to replace this phone and then the phones that came because Amy got one too
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it's really it's really slick the phone comes it you know and it came Wednesday
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so that was three days three business days you open it up and it's already
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says like this phone is going to replace you know no really yeah swipe here and
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it'll become you know your you know your phone number will move over and you do
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that and it I guess it what do they call that process activates and then as soon
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as it does your old phone is no longer has a service and your new phone has
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your phone number huh it's really pretty slick I wonder if they'll one day do
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like a tap to tap to replace like with the like with the Apple TV yeah bump the
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fan to tap to set it up yeah I guess you can do that when you order online in the
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website too but you just have to enter you have to enter like your Verizon
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account info and then it lists your phone numbers it's just so much easier
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especially like if you really kind of want to get it fast and you want to kind
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of order within a minute or two you know it's almost like getting WWDC tickets
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It's so much. You just saved so many steps when you say replace this phone
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Right somebody else was with us
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where we were Amy and I were ordering them and
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Forget what happened, but she you know it took her an extra couple of minutes
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And in that in the interim like the shipping time and she got like the same phone that Amy did the gold one
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And it was like days later like estimated arrival
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So, I mean, they did go fast.
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So, if you use the app and your last name is Gruber.
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I don't think that had anything to do with it.
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You get it super fast.
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I don't think that had anything to do with it.
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Right to the front of the line.
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Phil Schiller shows up with it.
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He helps set you up.
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- Make sure your iCloud is backed up.
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So you did the switch, how'd that work?
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How'd that go for you?
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- Pretty well.
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I'm afraid to see my AT&T bill 'cause I'm breaking.
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- Oh, I got that bill last year.
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- I'm breaking contract, but my wife was on,
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we were both on AT&T.
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I was on AT&T for like, oh my God, 15 years?
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- Yeah, that's what I was like too.
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- Something like that.
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And we've never gotten very good reception in the house here.
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And she's running her business off of her phone.
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So she's like-- we tried to micro-sell,
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and it kept dropping us off the micro-cell.
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And finally, we were just like, you know what?
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This is dumb.
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I mean, she was getting calls from clients who were getting--
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they were going to voicemail.
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So she jumped a few months ago, so we
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could keep the same network.
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It went pretty well for me, as I recall.
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It was sort of a hassle, and it was certainly a lot harder
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than just upgrading the place.
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I mean, I said to stand at the counter for a while
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and give them, like, 10,000 pieces of information.
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But it worked.
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Do you think ordering in a store was the way to go?
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Well, I just thought, since I was switching networks,
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that it would be.
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Because I don't--
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I just don't imagine that they're
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that equipped to handle that at the Apple store, but I've never tried it.
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I don't know if AT&T has something like this now too, but I know with Verizon we have a
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pretty nice shared data plan where you just pick how many gigabytes you want for as many
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phones as you have.
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And I even have my iPad on it.
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And so instead of paying separately for the iPad, it's just one collective pool of data.
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they're they give you good warnings in advance and as long as you up move it up like if you're
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going to go over if you have six gigabytes collectively and you get close you can go up to
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eight and you don't pay any penalty for that you just pay the prorated thing and then next month
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you can take it back down to six or whatever you were at so like like over the summer like i
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I watched a lot of baseball games on the iPad,
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and I did have to move the data up,
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but it didn't, you know, it was nice.
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- Well, you won't have that problem shortly.
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- Why is that?
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Oh, watching baseball games.
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Boy, that's something.
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We should go get back to that after,
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I should do a sponsor break,
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'cause I'm gonna get weepy.
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- Yeah, I was gonna ask you.
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DrMR: It's high on my wish list.
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Tom Bilyeu (01h00m 5s): It's pretty slick.
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DrMR - I do. I think mine goes the opposite way on the stimulant and depressant
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DrMR - Mm-hmm.
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Alright, baseball. Oh my god.
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So I just watched that video.
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So as we record, it's Friday the 27th of September.
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And last night at Yankee Stadium was the last game that Mariano Rivera is going to play at Yankee Stadium.
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And, you know, Yankee season has really just gone to shit in the last three weeks.
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I mean they were in it against all odds with the crazy amount of injuries they've had this year
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But they were really in the hunt and when they really just needed they didn't even need to play that great
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But they've really shit the bed and so they're out of the playoffs. They're not I mean I
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think that the
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The last time there was a baseball game at Yankee Stadium where the Yankees weren't in
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playoff contention at least was
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1993 I mean that's a hell of a run
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So they're out of it and so really the only thing at stake is that two of the great Yankees are
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retiring this year Mariano Rivera and Andy Pettit and
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You know Mariano is the bigger deal, and I don't know didn't Pettit retire already once yeah, he retired in
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2010 yeah after they won the World Series in 2009 and then he was gone for a year and then and then missed it and
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And it's been great. I mean the most from one of the most remarkable things about the Yankees this year
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They've had a lot of pitching problems, but Andy Pettitte, who's 41, has been, especially
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in the second half of the season, by far their most reliable pitcher. And Mariano Rivera is 43.
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I think he's — because Jamie Moyer is gone. He's like literally the oldest guy in Major League
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Baseball and had another fantastic all-star caliber season. I mean, he was amazing. I mean,
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there's absolutely not like he couldn't play again. I mean, he's walking away at 43, still
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literally at the top of his game. But it was amazing because everybody wanted to see him. And so,
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even though the Yankees are out of the playoffs, which usually means that Yankee Stadium just
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empties right out. I mean, Yankee fans are only there for one thing and one thing only, and that's
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see some championships. It was a sellout, total sellout. Really wish that I could have been there.
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And it was just like a big, like an Irish funeral at the end.
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Everybody was just slobbering, crying.
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Really kind of amazing.
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And they did.
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They handled it.
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I thought they handled it amazingly.
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No, it was very nice.
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I mean, even someone who does not particularly--
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who is not particularly a Yankee fan.
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It's a nice moment in baseball.
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Any time a guy--
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it's like, we'll never get that in our careers
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where we get to walk out--
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well and all crowd of people to say goodbye so few athletes even do because
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you know usually they play until their past
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past their expiration date
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and they you know they make the decision in the off season you know and they
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don't get that
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what they did
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and and for those of you who aren't baseball fans i apologize but the way that it goes if
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you're a pitcher and they're going to make a pitching change and take you out
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and put another pitcher in the manager of the team comes out to the mound
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takes the ball from your hand.
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It's like a symbolic gesture.
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I don't think the rules actually stipulate
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you have to take the ball from your hand,
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but that's just what it's done.
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It's, you know, manager or at any other league, you know,
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level, the coach comes out, takes the ball from your hand,
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you leave the mound, and then they call in
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the guy who's gonna replace you.
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And Mariano Rivera, as the closer,
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he's always the last pitcher.
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He comes in and nobody takes the ball from him.
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And so when he got to two outs in the ninth, the Yankees manager Joe Girardi, instead of
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coming out, he sent two players out.
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He sent Derek Jeter and Andy Pettit out.
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And Jeter and Pettit took the ball from Moe.
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And they all did.
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Three of them just broke down crying.
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Actually, Jeter was laughing, but that's Jeter.
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And I've never seen anything like that before.
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There's nobody else who you could, you know, I don't even know who could have done that
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before but it was really just kind of amazing part of what was amazing too is
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the catcher is a guy named JR Murphy I think he's like 22 years old so he's a
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young kid they're only really playing them because he's sort of like a test to
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see you know let's see what the kids got but at 22 years old that means when he
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was born the day he was born Mariano Rivera was already in the Yankee minor
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leagues. Which is crazy. Like this kid, like Mariano Rivera was in the Yankee minor leagues
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playing professional baseball for the Yankee organization on the day the kid was born.
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And then he's the guy who got to catch, you know, Mariano Rivera's last appearance. And
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on his face, if you watch that video, Murphy's face, he looks like what you think you would
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look like. Like, he just looks like, "Oh my god, I can't believe that I'm here."
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I was crying. I don't think I've cried in years. I couldn't remember. I was thinking
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about it. I don't remember the last time I've shed a tear. I was watching it. Tears
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coming down my face.
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Tears of laughter?
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No, tears. It was terrible. I mean, you're never going to see Moe again. Well, he's
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And you know what? And there's a certain... I mean, Mo at Yankee Stadium...
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The thing that, to me, is a little ignominious is now the Yankees have three totally meaningless games
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against the Houston Astros.
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that they... I don't know. It just doesn't seem right.
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But, I don't know, because they are meaningless and they don't have playoff implications.
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rumor is that Moe wants to play centerfield so there might he might play
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an inning or two in centerfield down in Astros that would be something to see
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really yeah totally right he's well you know how he you remember when he hurt
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his knee last year he ripped it ligament his knee for years his whole career he
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likes to shag flies he's and that's like how he gets his workout in how he stays
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him and the word has always been that when he was like in the minor leagues
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defensively you know and athletically he was always considered you know maybe one
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of the best in the whole system and he's always said like and nobody could tell
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if he's joking or not that but before he retires he'd like to play a little
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center field for the Yankees. And so, you know, they asked Joe Girardi and he said, "Maybe."
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So that was—
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Well, why not?
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Houston Astros.
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At this point.
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Kind of crazy.
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You know, the season's basically over.
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Right. And you couldn't do that. Like, see, they were playing the Tampa Bay Rays last night. And
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the Tampa Bay Rays are in the wild card chase. So, like, every game they play means something.
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So even if you, the Yankees—
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Right, you're playing Houston, Houston's time.
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Right. There was also a kid who came in, who's the guy who replaces Moe, and he was just
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some no-name kid. I mean, I watch a lot of Yankees games. A kid named Daley, I think,
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came in and threw three pitches and struck the next guy out. And it was like, man, I
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don't think... Because it was 4-0 Tampa. I don't think that the guy purposefully struck
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out. I think the pro baseball players, everybody was there for Mo, but you try to win. But
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talk about nobody really wanting to see him pitch. It's like he did the right thing.
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Threw three pitches and got the hell off. It was kind of nice.
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What's the deal with the Mariners? Are they in the wild card?
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Is anybody listening still?
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Hey, we talked about Martha Stewart for a while.
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I wonder if Martha Stewart likes baseball.
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I wonder if people who aren't baseball fans.
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I wonder if Martha Stewart likes baseball.
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Probably not.
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I would imagine not.
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But, you never know.
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She likes tequila.
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That's right.
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We wouldn't have expected that.
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A lot of tequila, apparently.
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Yeah. Let me tell you about it. Did she make that recipe up after she got out of jail?
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No, no. This was a long time ago. This was like maybe the late 90s or like around 2000 or something.
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She got real anchored for bathtub gin after she got out of prison.
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Right. I think after prison, maybe she had like recipes for how to make your own tequila. How to
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make your own tequila out of things you can get in a prison cafeteria.
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Dan: A potato. Dirty rag.
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Dave What do they make prison liquor out of? Do they make it out of potatoes? I guess anything
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that would ferment, right?
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Dan I should ask my wife. I'm sure she knows.
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Dave Yeah, she probably does.
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Dan My wife is a private investigator. That's
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said not that my wife is she has actually been to prison many times but
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just like a monopoly that just the just visiting area yeah they said that should
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be like the new hipster thing you know how I get a lot of the people are making
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their own beer oh yeah yeah and you make your own like prison that's great is it
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gin I don't know gin seems like that'd be hard to make it's probably no it's
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not really Jim just some kind of Jim would probably be putting on errors for
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what that is just some kind of unclassifiable yeah rot gut I've got
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moonshine moonshine is probably a even classier to probably too classy but
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probably because it seems like moonshine it whenever you know my experience
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watching it be made is watching the Dukes of Hazzard frankly but it just
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seemed to me like it requires a pretty significant apparatus you know there's
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these you know this crazy thing with the tubes and tinctures and glass bubbly
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things you know like a science lab type thing right prison you need you just
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got they got like a little tiny sink in there and they have a toilet I don't
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think I'm not sure that's gonna catch on we laugh but if you and I got sent to
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the first thing I did I think we I might take it as an opportunity that maybe dry
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Have you hacked a Touch ID yet?
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So when did that happen?
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It seemed like it blew up.
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It was early this week.
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And as soon as it started blowing up, I was like, "Well, now we know what the overblown
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fake scandal for the iPhone 5 is going to – 5S is going to be. And then, like, the
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weirdest thing happened. It seemed like the internet collectively came to its senses.
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ISKRA Yeah. I haven't seen anything really outrageous about that, particularly. It seems
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like everybody's like, "You can, you can do it." But it's not exactly like everybody's
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going to be doing it. And-
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Is it interesting that you can that you can spoof a fingerprint?
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like if you know what these guys did is they print they they like took a
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2400 DPI fingerprint scan and then you
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Use that to produce like us like a rubber fake
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Fingerprint put it over your own finger and then your finger, you know can spoof that fingerprint
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I mean, it's you know, it's not impossible, but it's you know, it's kind of mission impossibly, you know
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It's like a spy movie type thing.
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I mean, it takes expertise.
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Yeah, I mean, it takes some expertise.
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Yeah, it's sort of maker-- like I said,
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I think I said maker skills kind of thing.
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It's a crafty-- you have to be a little crafty.
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And then the whole point is still
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that even with that touch ID is still-- it's obviously better
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than what Apple said.
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Most people just don't use a passcode at all.
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Or it's probably still even better than a simple passcode.
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Oh, I think it definitely is.
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I mean, you could argue about that, about whether it's better than a simple passcode.
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But it's unquestionably better than none at all.
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I mean, and the bottom line is the only thing they showed is that if you are being attacked by someone who has the expertise to make a 2400 DPI fake
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or a copy of your fingerprint
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That the sensor can be spoofed. Well, I mean it's interesting but I don't think that's surprising, you know
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Yeah, I don't and I think calling it a hack is is totally misleading that seemed yeah
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That seems like the wrong word, but I don't know of a better word spoons spoof or fool
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You know that you can spoof it with a fake fingerprint a high quality fake print fingerprint
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I really don't think and you know and and I don't think that if I just
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Hand it over my phone to them right now without having wiped it or anything
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I don't think it's possible to just take a fingerprint from it. That would that would be of high enough quality
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I think you'd have to really kind of work to get a fingerprint of that quality
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And even if I'm wrong, you're still talking about experts
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It's not going to be of any help to someone who just steals or finds an iPhone. I
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Think it depends
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And I think I think there are yeah, I know well
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I didn't see the whole I didn't watch the whole thing, but it doesn't I mean it seems like the kind of thing that
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You could follow and do if you really wanted to
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It doesn't seem like people I don't know it doesn't it seem like the people who steal a phone or much more interested in just
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Getting the phone. Yeah, it's selling it. They're not that they're not that interested in getting your
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Your data most most phone phone thieves are right about the phone
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And you know let's face it for a lot of us it's really just a way to defend against somebody
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pooping you. Yeah right. Right by which I mean that there's a whole thing where people if you
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leave your phone unattended your your quote-unquote friends will take it and go to your Twitter and
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then just write the word pooping. Yeah. To fake to make it look as though while you were taking
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a poop you you tweeted it. Yeah and that's that was the example that I use because we've got this
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friend who I go out drinking with frequently, and I know what his passcode is, just because
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I've seen him type it in so many times. And he's got simple passcode turned on. And
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I see people doing this all the time, but when they go to—it's like a bunch of guys
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sitting around at the bar—they just leave their phone in the bar when they go to the
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bathroom. And I don't do that.
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No, I don't do that either, because I want to be on my phone while I'm in the bathroom.
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No, but I don't do that. I don't certainly – I don't know. I feel very uncomfortable
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when my phone is like laying –
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Plus I know those guys would try and get into it.
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They'll poop in you.
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Yeah. So I'll be interested to see if anybody decides to make a big deal out of that because
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it doesn't seem like it's that big a deal.
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No, it doesn't. I do think it's interesting that some of the analysis of it, you know,
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the how secure is it, you know, argument aside, just in terms of is this a cool feature. A
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lot of it, you know, as people kind of figured out more and more how this works, that a lot
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of it really comes down to the fact that Apple is designing its own system on a chips now,
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Right? Like that was a big change. And I remember thinking it was almost unusual how much, how
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proud Steve Jobs seemed of that when they first did it with what, the A4 processor?
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So what would that have been four years ago? So what was that? The first iPhone 4. Right?
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Right. I think that's right. And, you know, I remember thinking it was more about Steve
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jobs sort of being old school, you know, from back in the 70s and 80s when the semiconductor
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industry was new. And, you know, that it was, it made him proud that Apple was doing a lot
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of that now on its own instead of just getting parts from others. But I think part of, in
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hindsight, I think part of why he was so proud about it is that it's enabling them to do
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features that they couldn't otherwise do. That it really is part of the system on a
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chip design that there's this secure enclave where there's storage that is completely,
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like, technically inaccessible to the actual regular operating system. Nothing in iOS,
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not even the root process can access it. And that's going to be, it's going to be hard
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to copy. Because it's, you know, chip design is like a years-long process. Like, I think
00:51:04
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this is something that they started working on you know five years ago maybe
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and it may not take five years for the you know other companies to copy it but
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it will take years
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you like the uh... touch i_d_ use it
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if one of the great things about it is that
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it lets me turn turn on
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the com uh... turn all i guess it's turn off simple passcode
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rights now you have a uh...
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along passcode
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along passcode and i have that set
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to be required to be unlocked immediately
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i mean so i think
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men given those two things i think my phones more secure than it was
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yeah i totally think so
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It'll be interesting to see what happens if somebody, and maybe it's not even a question
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of if, maybe it's, you know, we should admit that it's a question of when somebody is going
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to have their phone unlocked against their will by this.
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You know, and there's a good question about like what law enforcement can do.
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Like Oh yeah.
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you know, that you're something like a password is considered like a in the US like a First
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Amendment type thing like you can't write you know they can't say what's the password
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to your phone you can just you know if you're allowed to not answer a question are are you
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allowed to not have them physically force your thumb against the sensor as you know
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people that sort of an open question on that yeah it's like a key where you can't go
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claim a first amendment right to a key around a physical key like the key to your car right
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except that in this case it is your you know it's a little different than a key because
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it's you know your body so i don't know yeah it's an open question and people are concerned
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about it and then you know i think a lot of this comes down to who are you concerned about
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getting access to your phone you know and obviously you know this nsa stuff is on people's
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minds and rightly so i'm not saying that it shouldn't be but um in terms of like protecting
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you from government agencies no touch ID probably is is not gonna stop anything
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but I you know again against like your friends or your kids or just somebody
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who finds your phone in the back of a cab right like you you lose your phone
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in a cab touch ID is gonna work great yeah I use it all the time
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How many fingers did you set up with?
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I just used toes.
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I said three, I think.
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I think I said three.
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Both my thumbs.
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And then I actually used my – why am I telling you this?
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I shouldn't say this.
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Now someone's going to come in the middle of the night and cut my thumbs off.
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I'm not telling you.
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fingers right now. There was this, I don't know, this is a terrible rattle, but my parents
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had this book, this German book that was trying to teach kids manners from the 1800s. I have
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no idea how they got this book, but we had this book lying around growing up and one
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of the stories, one of these horrible German stories from the mid-1800s was, I think it's
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pronounced Der Stroulpeter, and it was this. The mother goes out. This is because that's
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what they did back then. They just left the kids at home. So she goes out to go grocery
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shopping or whatever, and she tells the kid, "Don't suck your thumb," or "Der Stroulpeter
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will come get you." And so, of course, the minute the woman goes out the door, the kid
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kid starts sucking his thumb and this guy bursts into the door and he's got these
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huge scissor hands and he snips the kid's thumbs off and the kid is just sitting there
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crying with no thumbs. And that's the moral of the story. Don't suck your thumbs or
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some crazy German man with scissor hands is going to cut your thumbs off.
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That's pretty that was that was mid-1800
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Parenting that's pretty rough
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Probably you can look it up. You can look that up on the web
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it's that there's they've a lot of places like boing boing and like laughing squid of
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if it's the case if you go back a hundred years if it always looks like we were pretty terrible to our kids like maybe
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In 1850 when they were using this book to teach kids not to suck their thumbs a hundred years prior to that
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Maybe they actually cut off the kids thumbs and they're like, can you believe that we used to actually do this to the kids?
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And there's like you didn't have modern parenting technology
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That would hey and allow us to convey to the children that their thumbs would be cut off
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Right and grandpa's you actually cut the thumbs off grandpa who grew up then is in the corner and he you know missing a thumb
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Yeah, yeah hurt like hell
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I cannot work in the fields
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Do you see this thing with Steven Elop and the car? Yeah, that was everything on my list
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Long story short and this to me is why he's got who's got two thumbs and 25 million dollars
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rumored by you know, like especially Nokia fans so the
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When when Nokia hired him he came from Microsoft and then shortly after he got there. He said, okay my evaluation is
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We're screwed on smartphone operating systems ours is no good the one we've been worked in you know symbionts
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No good this whatever the me bow whatever it was they were working on not gonna cut it
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We're gonna go to Windows 7 and so everybody was like hmm. We hire a guy from Microsoft
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He comes in and he switches us to Windows phone this seems to me like this guy was a mole
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Maybe his plan is to run Nokia in the ground and then have Microsoft buy them well
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Well then it turns out this week that his contract was structured such that, well, just
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in case Nokia gets cash strapped and their business goes down, and because they're cash
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strapped they have to sell the company to say, or maybe their handset business to say
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Microsoft, well if that happens we'll give you a $25 million bonus.
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And lo and behold that's exactly what happened.
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And then to top that off, I guess because it's such a true scandal in, what, Finland?
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Where are they?
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Because Nokia is, rightly so, that's the pride of Finland.
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And it's a big company worldwide, but it's certainly a bigger deal in Finland.
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There's a scandal over this.
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And so the board apparently went to him and asked him, "Well, would you give that bonus
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his answer is that he can't because he's getting his divorce and his wife won't
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let him I don't know how that it's the shock he's already so he's gotten he's
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already gotten the money I guess I guess whatever else is you know it's is stock
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or whatever it is you know either he's gotten it or he's legally going to get
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then there's nothing they could do unless he volunteered to you know turn
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down or renegotiate or something. The thing with the wife is interesting to me on two
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fronts. On a personal level, the fact that he was willing to publicly throw her under
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the bus makes it a lot less surprising that she wants to divorce him in the first place.
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But the second part is I don't blame her at all. She didn't run Nokia into the ground.
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You know the his wife she is legally entitled to half the money, so you know why in the world should she?
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Let turn it down
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It's you know to me, yeah, no keep the dumbass Nokia boards fault for agreeing to a contract like that, right?
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It just seems like a crazy thing to put in a contract like it would be like if you were hiring a new coach of
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your team and you
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rewarded losing a record number of games. Just in case we only win ten ball games in one of the next three seasons,
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you'll get a bonus.
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Like, why would you put a bonus like that in? I guess it was structured in
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language that made it seem like a golden parachute, right? Like, if the handset business is acquired,
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you know, if you the board approve a handset sale, I get a big bonus.
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But, you know, doesn't it logically seem like
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The only way that the handset business would get sold is if you do a pretty bad job running it I
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Guess the I don't know I mean maybe the idea is that if you look at it the other way that his
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Compensation you know if he had done it if he had done a good job and not run the company into the ground his
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Compensation would have been a lot more
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Guess I don't know it just certainly yeah, yeah, right. I mean you could
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It leaves a bad day just for you know I mean if some of these packages 25 million is not really
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That big and it really does I mean no it I never thought it sounded crazy. It's not you know the
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Kubrick faked the moon landings crazy. It's just you know like hmm
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I don't know that's kind of a conspiracy the idea that he was a Microsoft mole from the beginning
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But you know now that they're actually selling the hints at unit to Microsoft it
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You know it's kind of like well call it a conspiracy or what you will
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it's what happened. And it certainly hasn't been good for Nokia shareholders or customers.
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Jared "Seth" Johnson No.
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So, I'm interested to know what Nokia, the company, is going to do after this.
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I mean, they're buying their mobile services.
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Pete Laskowski Right.
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Jared "Seth" Johnson Microsoft is buying their mobile services business,
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and Nokia is still a company in Finland.
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Pete Laskowski Yeah, I don't know what other businesses they have.
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There was some, and I forget who mentioned this on Twitter, somebody like, maybe it was
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Nealey Patel, said somebody mentioned this in comments or something on The Verge. It may not
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have been The Verge, but I can't remember. That Nokia would go and buy HTC and then start making
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Android phones. Which I thought was interesting. I'm not sure if that really helps them, but...
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I don't know.
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But it gets back to that whole question about what they should have done in the first place.
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It's like their chance for a do-over. Although, four years too late or whatever it was,
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three years. How long ago was that that they ditched? It was three years?
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Yeah, it was pretty fast in the grand scheme of things.
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Because it had to be three years because the iPhone's only been out six years.
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the whole thing was precipitated by the rise of…
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And Windows Phone hasn't been around that long.
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No. I think two years? Is that right?
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No, I think it's been longer than that, but…
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Three years, yeah.
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Yeah, I think it's been three years.
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I keep saying it's going to take over Android. I should go back and find that one again. Every
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once in a while I pull that one out. That's probably a worse, that's probably one of the
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worst claimed chowders ever because it's so so bad and it but it is what they wanted right that
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you know and it's so directly comparable you know that you know some of the Android to iPhone
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comparisons are so tough because Android is just an OS that they license to other people to make
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and iPhone is all Apple whereas Windows Phone is it's an OS that they license to handset makers to
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make like windows phone and android are couldn't be more direct competitors
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right and and what was it like I forget who it was like by 2014 yeah it's gonna
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be yeah we see that's the funny that's the yeah because it was by the end of
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this year yeah it's coming up that one of those firms had speculated that you
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know and it's even worse I got it here all right you got it hang on a sec well
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it's it's even worse than the infamous claim chowder by Eric Schmidt who like
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a year ago said that by the middle of the next summer,
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half the TV sold in America were gonna have Google TV
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hooked up to them.
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Now that's bad, and he was wrong.
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I mean, nobody even talks about Google TV anymore.
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- But at least then he's trying to push his own company.
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I mean, you could call that marketing.
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That's what he's supposed to do.
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Whereas this was an analyst,
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this is pyramid research analyst Stella Boken
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said that Windows Phone is poised to overtake
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Android's massive market share as soon as 2013. And this was back in 2011, May of 2011.
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It's like – you should have known by then.
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With Eric Schmidt, he was on stage being interviewed and I think he sort of has a tendency to run
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his mouth a little bit. He was shooting from the hip. And maybe as soon as he said it,
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he was like, "Ah, I don't know why I said that." But to hell with it. I'm promoting
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Like you said he's a spokesman for the company. Whereas this is supposed to be a measured well considered research report
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Right, right. This is our analysis. This is why you should you should pay our company to provide research
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For you because we're so good. We're so smart
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We understand the market
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And I really I have to believe that they think that a lot of these companies think that
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But they just need to get their name out there and so they need to say something crazy in
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order to get their name out there.
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But I just can never figure out exactly how they reconcile that with looking like idiots
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for saying something that's so obviously not going to happen.
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I don't get it.
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You ever hear of this app?
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I have, yeah.
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It's a great, genius idea.
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You know those little icons you have in your menu bar on your Mac?
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Up in the upper right corner.
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All those little inscrutable, mostly black and white icons.
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Mine are spilling over into the center.
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I try to keep mine down.
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Let me count mine right now.
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This is consciously trying to keep a minimal number.
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I've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen.
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And that's not even counting...
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shows them to you so it reduces the clutter you see all the time but you can still use
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all those things because why do I have 13 of them because every once in a while I really
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do want to use one of them you know I really do have to go into the dropbox menu or something
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like that or I do want to open up the text expander menu I can have them with bartender
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but I can have them out of my way you move them to the bartender bar and then you just
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display them when you want. You can rearrange the order of them. You can
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rearrange the order of all of those things. It's really great. You can even
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have it, you can even do smart things like only have menu items show when they
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update. Like if you have one that, you know, like some Twitter clients have one
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of those little things up there and it'll turn a color when you have direct
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messages or something like that. Well you can set it with bartenders so that it
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only even shows up when it has some kind of notification or an update to tell you.
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They've just released version 1.2. It's fully Mavericks compatible. So if in the
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back of your head, wise guys, you're thinking, "Hey, that's a pretty cool trick,
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but maybe it's not going to work with Mavericks, which is coming out really
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and I think that just shows the confidence they have that when the four
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speaking of crying goodbyes you see Steve Ballmer I didn't yeah that's like
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the big I can't big annual watch that guy yeah it's kind of sad watching him
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go out he's really yeah that's not the way you want to go out it's really
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pretty ugly yeah he is not going out like Mariano Rivera no see a rumor I
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saw right at the top of his game I read it in Business Insider so and Lord only
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knows what I was doing on our website so it could be completely false but I saw
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that it said that a leading candidate to replace him is the guy who's the CEO of
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Ford Ford Motor Company yeah I heard that I don't know anything about the CEO
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of the Ford Motor Company but I will tell you it does not sound to me like he
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should be running Microsoft it doesn't sound to me like any like that sounds
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like going again Scully yeah you know I mean yeah it doesn't seem like that's
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gonna end well yeah it does not it is a it doesn't seem to and I know Ford is
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not like going under and I know that during the whole fiscal crisis that of
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the big three US automakers they were in far better shape you know didn't need a
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bailout like GM did or whatever and you know good for them but nobody really I
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can't think of any other do you thinks Wow Ford's really you know dominating
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the world of cars. So I don't know about that. And the CEO knows how to rescue a gigantic
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software company. Yeah, and I feel like if there's any kind of lesson, I mean, I don't
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know. I still think that a big part of the problem with Balmer as CEO is that the guy
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just never really got it. And I'm not saying you have to be Bill Gates who was literally
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a great programmer. You don't have to be a programmer to run Microsoft, you know,
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in the same way that you don't have to be an industrial designer to run Apple,
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right? Tim Cook is not a designer, but I do feel that Tim Cook fundamentally, when
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you listen to him, he understands what it is that Apple is supposed to be doing.
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And I don't think Balmer ever really got that with Microsoft, at least in the
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consumer space. I think Balmer's understanding of how and why Microsoft
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was successful is entirely revolved around the franchises he had inherited
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and around the enterprise market, which could be, you know, could be lucrative and
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maybe long-term that's the route that Microsoft goes, but I think the reason
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that he's being shown the door is because of their failures in the
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consumer space. Right. Yeah, I mean I don't think there's any question about that.
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And wasn't Ford the company that made a pretty big push into the Microsoft designed
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Software interface to their cars and it was you know shockingly terrible. I
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Don't know that sounds familiar, but I'm not sure I
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Just it seems like the kind of thing where you would have hoped that something they have somebody inside
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That they could promote. Yeah, that was kind of what I thought but I don't know but then I'd yeah
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I bet I don't know any anything about their bench
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and the other thing to me is if that's the route they were gonna go I would have thought that I
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Would think that maybe it wouldn't be we're gonna have a year-long transition. They would have said yeah
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They would have done that quietly on the side and right done a done a little at the old switcheroo
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And I know that it's different circumstances than it was with Steve Jobs because you know
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We now know in hindsight that dirt, you know that that transition was he you know, he was at the end of the rope
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Health-wise he was dying
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Or at least failing
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But you know
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It is though like in terms of like a step-by-step process. It's how you do it
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You know like you you announce something but you say and here's the guy, you know, who's coming up
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Just seems yeah, I don't think they're gonna I don't think they're going to hire someone from inside
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Yeah, it doesn't look like it, which I just think it seems like a terrible I
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Can't really I cannot think of an instance where that's worked really well
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Yeah, I don't know maybe I mean I'm sure it happens all the time, and I'm maybe that's just a feeling of my
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keyed in I am to that kind of thing but I
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would think in the software industry I would
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technology I would have heard of something like that, but it's just that the companies in the saw in the computer industry are to me
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distinctive like the ones that get big and successful like
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Microsoft is nothing like Google and neither one of them is anything like Apple and they're none of those
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Companies or anything like Facebook, you know, and I just feel like it's you know, they have such strong
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Personalities, you know like what it is that makes a successful Microsoft product a Microsoft product. There's a feel to it
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You know it permeates everything they do both the design and the brand and just even what it's meant to do
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And I feel like I don't know bringing in the guy from Ford. I just don't doesn't seem like it's gonna help them at all
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Or what's how about Samsung coming out with a gold I've I found gold the galaxy
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Got anything on that no
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It's just a matter of time and they went with a real gold gold that's the one I didn't even know what joke to crack
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And it's plastic too, well, of course it is that was one of the I think that's one of the hard things
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And I think it you know, it's pretty hard to pull off in plastic. Yeah, I
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I think you just, yeah, you don't want to go there but...
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You know like when you first heard the rumors in like early August or whenever it was that
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it seemed like Apple might be, you know, the new 5s was gonna come in gold and everybody was like,
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"Ooh, it doesn't sound good." Yeah, no, it sounded terrible at first.
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As you sucked the air between your teeth and thought and cringed a little and crinkled your
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eyes and worried, that color of gold that you had in your mind, that's the color of
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gold that Samsung is going with.
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Dan: Now supposedly they had a gold phone prior to this, but it was a flip phone.
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Dave: Of course they did.
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I love the people who defend them.
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So they got there first, but in the all-important gold flip phone market.
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I do think that it's an interesting way going to gold. I don't think it's the only reason
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they went to gold. I think Apple made this gold iPhone because it looks good and a lot
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of people really like it. And I think people, you know, it's an interesting way to keep
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that same hardware design for two years as they've done for six years in a row and have
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something that's compatible with all the existing cases, etc., etc., and yet still make it look
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uh... but i can't help but think though that the fact that they make the iPhone
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out of metal
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you know is it making a gold is an interesting way to differentiate it from
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samsung's plastic
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you know to keep the the five s as a top-tier that the uh...
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that the other phones
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both from competitors
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and even with the five c from apple itself that they're you know
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they're a shelf below. Right. I was gonna go this time I was gonna go with the white
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if they had kept the same color scheme I was actually gonna get my first white iPhone.
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Cause I think the I actually think the white iPhone 5 looks better than the black one.
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But you went to space. Cause my wife my wife ended up getting a white 5. And you went space
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because but I got space great because I think that's something improves I mean
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the the banding around it is is nice yeah it's definitely it's definitely
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better than the black one from last year yeah do you agree like what I said last
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week or maybe it was down a little I forget if I'm stealing this or if I came
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up with it but uh it's my show so I think it's okay do you agree that's
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reminiscent of the original iPhone it's a darker it's a little darker than the
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metal in the original. Yeah, no I think it's, I think it's, oh the back, yeah, a little
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bit. Yeah, I'd say a little bit. I didn't really think about that, but I would say it's
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a little bit like that. It's a nice looking phone though. I could see them switching to
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make like Macbooks in this color. Oh yeah. It's been a long time since they've changed
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the color of Macbooks, you know? Right. I mean, I'm pulling this out of my ass, I mean,
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I don't have any kind of…
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That would throw the Ultrabook business into…
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But I feel like, you know, I don't think Apple worries itself too much about other
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companies copying their designs.
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I mean, I'm sure it's annoying, but at the same time, it's got to be flattering
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because everybody knows, like, when all these other things come out that look so much like
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Mac books that it's, you know, it just emphasizes who's the market leader.
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But at a certain point, I feel like they're going to want to do something new.
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They can't just get this this same color forever, and I feel like this space gray would totally work. Yeah
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Even if it was only for like the MacBook Pro or something like that oh
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That would be back to the back to the black MacBook
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Extra $50 for space gray
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Wait what is that? Oh wait? Did they charge extra for that? Yeah? Yeah? I got that too
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I got that I didn't I end up liking it
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I switched from a power book was it called the Mac that was yet or was it still the was it still the eye?
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No, that was no as the MacBook and and they came out with a black one
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They were plastic and they came out with a black one and it did look better
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I thought and they charged an extra 50 bucks. Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't I wasn't gonna get the white one
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I just couldn't bring myself to get the white one
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But I switched from a power book to that and it wasn't I wasn't happy with that
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that the plastic wasn't, I mean, it was much better once they switched to unibody plastic,
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but the seams were annoying.
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I think that that's one of those cases where that's why some people hate Apple. Like, charging
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extra for the color.
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It is pretty bad.
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Is exactly, it is right, like, it's right teed up perfectly for, that is what makes
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people go crazy about Apple. Absolutely insane crazy.
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They didn't charge extra for gold. No. No. I think that they've kind of learned.
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There was some. I think there was some people were speculating about that
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before, you know, when it first came out. It's really hard to get it. I mean, I think
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it's nonsense. I can't. I'm not even gonna link to it, but I saw a story that
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somebody said that somebody sold a gold iPhone on eBay for $10,000. Oh yeah. Yeah.
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I mean that's crazy. I mean, you know, I can see selling it for double the price to some
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Moron who really has to just can't wait to get their hands on it, but not ten thousand dollars. That can't be true
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It has to be fake
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But I don't know. I read it on the internet. I wouldn't maybe asked I mean people bought that I am rich app
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Somebody did, anyway.
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I wonder what the most that Apple could have gotten away charging for the gold iPhone is.
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I don't even want to speculate.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Imagine if they did, if they charged like five grand for it, and all it is is gold anodized
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Just the gold.
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I think you're gonna charge five grand.
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It should be real gold.
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Dave: Yeah, I wonder what the reception would be like on that.
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Tim Cynova Oh, yeah.
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Dave: It'd be heavy, too.
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Tim Cynova Certainly made for some great headlines.
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Dave People would buy it, though.
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Tim Cynova I'm sure somebody would.
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Dave Those Virtu phones are still...
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Virtu is still around, the company that sells like $5,000 leather cell phones.
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And they've switched to Android finally.
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They used to be like Symbian.
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Somebody took one apart and it really literally was inside the leather and jewel embellished
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It was like a $40 Nokia Symbian phone.
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Somebody would buy it.
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I mean, that's what...
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**BEN HONG:** That's what people claim iPhones are too, though.
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**REZ CABRERA:** Yeah, that's what they claim.
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But you know, Virtu really...
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**BEN HONG:** I mean, it only costs $200 to make.
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And they say that it's like a concierge service.
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Like there's a button you can hit and you know, talk to it.
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If you have a Virtu phone, you have like a button and you can get like a Virtu concierge
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and say, "Hey, I'm in Seattle tonight.
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Can I get a dinner reservation at like a good Italian restaurant?"
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And then somehow they take care of it or something.
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I don't know if it works well or whatever.
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But it seems to me like, you know, there are other ways to get somebody to make a hotel
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reservation or restaurant reservation for you than to buy a $4,000 Symbian phone.
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Tim Cynova You could get a free,
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get the one, what is it, one table app for free.
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Eric Meyer Yeah, it does, you know,
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seems like there's a better way. Tim Cynova
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So, oh, so Amy's got the gold one. Eric Meyer
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Yeah, and I still have the, I have to send it back. I got to send back my review unit.
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Tim Cynova Oh, they gave you a gold,
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They gave me a gold review unit and a pink 5C.
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You know what? People laugh about that.
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There's lots of tweets like that.
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Everybody loved that Apple gave me the pink one.
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I don't think-- it's not a jokey joke pink.
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It's not like a little--
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No, it's really not.
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It's not a little girl's pink.
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It really isn't.
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I mean, I could see that there would be--
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well, I don't know.
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but it's not it's not as ridiculous as it sounds yeah it's it's all it's more
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like a salmon rose yeah something like that it's not exist it's not pink pink
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yeah I guess that's the other question well you know again Apple is never going
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to tell us but we're gonna have to like eyeball it you know as we just observe
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people but I'm curious to see which colors are the most popular how that how
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they're distributed the greens pretty cool I would I would have suspected the
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blue but I think the greens gonna be popular yeah it really stands out and I
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don't know if it's just a coincidence or not but a lot of the ads I've seen so
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far are the green yeah so I don't know yeah green is it looks pretty good and I
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think wasn't trying to remember which ones were the ones that sold out yellow
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yellow apparently sold out first. Yeah. But who knows? Yeah, maybe yellow and green, because I thought green was one of them though.
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But you have no way of knowing whether it's because they made the same number of all and yellow sold out first, or if Apple thought,
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"I don't know about this yellow. We're going to make fewer of them," and then they sold out. Yeah.
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So you don't know. I mean, and Apple's never going to tell you.
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Blackberry reported their revenue. It's getting ugly.
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ugly it's not good when it's gonna happen with them I guess there's some
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crazy guy who's gonna buy the company apparently yeah which is I guess taking
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it is that taking a prior they're taking it private then yeah I guess I just feel
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like you know like he's gonna it's like you know come down off off the like week
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long bender he's on and it wakes up he's gonna go I did what I bought what
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And there was a rumor that what's-his-name was trying to buy it.
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Lazardius or whatever his name is.
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Mike Lazardius.
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Whatever his name is.
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That would have been bad.
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I like my joke on that where it was, you know, that his pitch to the investors is the other
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guy was the problem.
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New candles?
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New candles? What else we got?
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I don't know. Where do they go?
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I don't know. It seems like the point where they should have...
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Like where Nokia is now. Nokia is like, they still have their pride.
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They maybe could still stand alone, but they're selling now. Like the time for
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RIM or BlackBerry was like two or three years ago. They kind of needed
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to sell the company like two years ago.
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And now it's like nobody I don't think anybody knows what to do with them before they did that whole thing with the playbook
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embarrass themselves, yeah
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About the new Kindles
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There's a really look into that that much what other than hearing about the
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May Day service. Yeah
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They look good. It's kind of a weird thing though, like where they didn't do an event
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But they organized, you know, they had some like that big a deal
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Yeah, and they had some you know, but they did have some embargoed
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Reviewers and they you know a couple of interviews conducted in advance, but then they had the embargo lift at midnight
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I forget if it was midnight Pacific or midnight Eastern but either way kind of a weird time to lift an embargo
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Like when a lot of people are in bed
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Just seems weird
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I guess that the strategy is then people wake up in the morning and it's still at the top of the news because nothing else
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happened overnight, but
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Just seemed a little weird
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They look good, but I don't know it. I don't know, you know, I
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Don't see many I you know, they've been out for a while I don't see very many Kindle fires out there in the wild
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And the ones I do see tend to be the this
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You know the small one like the one that people I think people have bought like, you know
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My guess is that they are you know, pretty much bought just to have a Kindle ebook reader that's in color
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Right, which is a totally credible product. I'm not even I'm not disparaging it
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But it you know the ones I've seen over the years have tended to be the small one and it's people on airplanes
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Using them to read books. I
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Assume that they're books who knows what they're reading
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We see it we see more out here obviously we I think we talked about this once before but you know when I used to commute
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up to Seattle
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Yeah, I'd see a lot of them on the train.
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Do you see more window tablets? Because some of those people were...
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I've seen a few, not a lot though. I mean they haven't sold very many. It's pretty hard to...
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I sold... Yeah, I definitely see more, definitely see more Kindles.
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I mean on the train when I was commuting, I would see a fair number of them.
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But I mean, like I said, some of those people were probably going to Amazon.
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I saw somebody at the airport when I was coming home from Portland last week who was
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right out of a Windows commercial, a Windows tablet commercial. She was using hers on her lap
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at the airport with the keyboard and typing away at a pace where I have to admit I could never
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achieve on an iPad personally. You know, it seemed to me like she would, you know, maybe she bought
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the right tablet. I don't know. But I hadn't seen it. I don't see many, many Windows ones
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at all. It almost seems like the announcements are half-hearted. I'm not saying that Kindle
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and Windows have given up on competing against the iPad. But the Kindle won this week. No
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event came at midnight you know it hasn't made that big a splash when
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Microsoft had the next-gen surface announcement you know seemed like the
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guy was half asleep up there it's like yeah we're not giving up we're doing
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another one we know you're not gonna buy it am i wrong and my name I am I am I
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reading it wrong that's how I felt to me I don't know I mean it's gotta be a hard
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hard thing to do yeah let's spend all year making this thing that we know we
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really kind of know people aren't gonna buy they switched the ads you saw the
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ads are now more product centric than the they got rid of the dancing hmm
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which is definitely an improvement they're still not great ads but they're
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but they're much better than the ones they had originally yeah wonder how much
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are going to spend on it. I saw that there was a story...
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A billion dollars already in write-off. There was a story that Motorola was going
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to spend $500 million on an ad campaign for the Moto X, which is a lot of money. I think
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they said that Apple's budget in the US for ads is like a billion a year or something
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like that. But $500 million is roughly in the ballpark. It's not Samsung money. Samsung
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Samsung spends like $10, $11 billion a year on advertising. It'll be interesting to see
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how that goes. I can't remember the last time I saw a Motorola campaign. They seem to have
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Yeah, I haven't seen one either. I don't listen to the radio anymore, but every once in a
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while my wife listens to the radio and I frequently hear a Samsung ad.
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Hmm. No, they spend the most. I mean, they outspend Apple like 10 to 1. I think Horace
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DeGioia was the first guy to kind of point that out. And that it's, you know, arguably,
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you know, nobody ever, famously, nobody ever really knows how to measure the effectiveness
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of advertising. But it does seem, though, that they've spent so much money on advertising
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that competitors like HTC have, they can't keep up because HTC can't spend that kind
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of money because they don't have it.
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They don't have it.
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And they also run the gamut of outlets too, it seems like.
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They have TV ads.
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They've got stuff in the newspaper.
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They've got stuff on the radio, whereas Apple just does, well, I mean, I guess they
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do magazine ads too.
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Yeah, Apple certainly does a lot.
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I've seen one in the newspaper. Probably like a big, like a, you know, like a New York Times.
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But I don't think they don't, they don't do radio. I don't think.
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Yeah. The May Day thing, I guess that's the most interesting thing of all the other tablets
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that was announced this week. This feature where all, all your new Kindle tablets come
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with a one-button feature. You hit it and their goal is that within 15 seconds or less,
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you get a video chat with a customer support rep.
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And you can see them and hear them, and they can hear you,
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but they don't see you.
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All they see is your screen.
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And then they can draw on your screen
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to show you how to do stuff, or they can remotely take control.
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It sounds fantastic for people who
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are nervous about technology.
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It just does not sound to me like something that can scale,
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given the way that no matter what company i call first
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if it's just a good old-fashioned phone call i can't get on the phone with
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somebody sooner than three minutes
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so i don't know
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it is though to me a typical jeff days those feature where it is it does sound
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and it is about making customers happy which i have to say is you know
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certainly one of the
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you know the best things about amazon as a company
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say what you want about their pricing and stuff like that
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and what they do to markets that they enter.
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But in terms of that they want their customers to be happy,
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that's always been the case.
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But for example, I don't think Apple,
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I don't even think, even if Apple wanted to dip
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as far into its cash reserves as possible,
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I don't know that they could technically
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offer that feature for the iPad.
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- They just sell too many.
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I mean, where would you even find enough people
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to answer the phone?
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- Yeah, and I was just thinking,
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that's what I was just thinking about,
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I was wondering if those people,
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where those people are, if they're out here or...
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I'd heard, I'd read some stories about
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some of the support stuff that a lot of these companies
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had shipped overseas years ago coming back
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just because the economy had gotten to the point
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where it was so bad here that they could afford
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to bring some of it back.
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But I don't know, I mean I still think that was a relatively small percentage.
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Like my wife, she had a problem with, she's got a fax printer copy machine thing and she had a problem with it.
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She called to get technical support in that and that went to India.
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So I still think that a lot, I mean the percentage that came back from what went over is not that great.
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great. I had a problem with my cable TV from the wonderful Comcast company this
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week where did we just stopped getting anything other than like three channels
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we just got like the local ABC, NBC, CBS affiliates and you know we were supposed
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to get I don't know 800 channels and so I had to call them and this is a perfect
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example I mean it was like you know it wasn't a horrible experience but I was
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on the phone for 15 minutes all told I mean it was at least three or four
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minutes before I got through the automated part where I had to answer stupid questions
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and then finally get connected to a person. And when I got connected to a person, pretty
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sure she was not in the United States. I mean, she was very nice, but she was, you know,
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we had a little bit of a communication problem in terms of understanding accents, I think.
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She was very nice. And, you know, I don't know, it had been a while since I'd called
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Comcast for any reason but and she didn't ask what she says she goes is it
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okay if I call you by your first name sir I was like yeah sure I was like why
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would you ask that but you know see it was she was over bend over backwards you
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know to be nice but apparently all she had to do is like hit a button and quote
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send a signal to to our the cable cards in the back of our TV and then they just
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suddenly worked again like it it did not seem like I should have been on the
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phone 15 and 20 minutes. It was a very long time for something that, you know, and she said, "I'm
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sending the signal now. Can you get these channels?" And, you know, after she said those words that I
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started getting those channels. It was instantaneous, but I don't know why it took so long before she
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decided to send the signal. Or why they just don't send that signal all the time. Right, exactly. Why
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not send it all the time. Just keep sending the signal. That's a premium service. You
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have to pay extra for that. Well, and I should say I'm not naive. I understand why it takes
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so long. It's because it costs so much less to hire people in other countries like, say,
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India. And you'd only hire a few of them and you make it harder to actually get one
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on the phone and you do all these things. But I'm saying, it just seems like if you're
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I'm kind of surprised that both AT&T and Verizon, at least in my experience, use domestic call
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I wonder why that is.
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Yeah, I mean, it seems like they would have to employ a lot of people.
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Yeah, it seems like you'd have a lot of cost on them.
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Because they've got so many people across the country on both of those networks.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Every time I talk to somebody, well, I don't call at 3 o'clock in the morning, but maybe
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that's what they do.
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Is it possible that they're not going to be able to do that?
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but maybe that's what they do.
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Is it possible that they're union companies?
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Like somehow inherited from the old Ma Bell?
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Yeah, right.
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That's a good question.
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I saw an interview.
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Did you see the thing that was linked up?
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It was like, "What if the iPhone were a standalone business?
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How big would it be?"
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It would be like the 17th biggest company in the Fortune 500.
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I thought it was interesting that in that list, still in the top 10,
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by revenue, both AT&T and Verizon.
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And I know that Verizon is not just Verizon wireless.
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And in fact, Verizon wireless, which is what all of us think of when we think
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of Verizon, is co-owned between Verizon and T-Mobile in Europe,
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and that Verizon is buying the other half of it out from T-Mobile for,
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I don't know, like $20 billion.
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Oh, that's right.
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Yeah, I saw that.
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But still, fundamentally, there are two halves of the same phone--
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what was once when we were kids-- the same phone company.
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Imagine if they hadn't been broken up, how big AT&T would be.
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It's interesting to me that they got split up.
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And then they were split up into a bunch of parts.
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And then somehow, like that liquid metal Terminator,
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they all sort of came back together.
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And they still haven't combined into one.
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And you know that it would never get approved.
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An AT&T Verizon merger would never get approved.
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Because AT&T tried to buy-- was it Sprint or T-Mobile?
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AT&T tried to buy one of them, and it got shot.
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Yeah, and even that got shot down.
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There's no chance.
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But you know that they kind of want to.
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They're only being held apart by federal regulators. It's exactly, it's like two parts of a
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terminator that just desperately want to recombine because all they can think of is,
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"Oh my God, if we could combine, imagine how much we could charge people per month for their
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cell phones." I think my bill went down. I still got to wait for the first
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payment to come through, but it seems like from what they were saying,
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Oh, wait. The best part, I can't wait till you get it. You got to let me know when you
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get your final bill from AT&T.
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That's not going to be good.
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Because I, you know what, I remember last year, it was last year when I switched to
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Verizon and it was, it took a while. It was like five weeks later. So I had kind of forgotten
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about it. And I kind of done the math in my head and knew it was going to be expensive.
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And all of a sudden, at like midday, and I guess the mail came, I hear Amy downstairs,
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What did you do?
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What did you do?
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And I was like, "What?"
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It was a lot.
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Yeah, you don't want to mess with those guys.
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It is in terms of what a corporation can do to you.
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And I know, I guess I shouldn't complain.
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I knew that I had a two-year contract or whatever.
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But it is effectively a legal way for AT&T, when you break off your relationship with
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them to just mail you a box of feces here you go here is a massive bill for a
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service that you haven't used for five you've already been gone for five weeks
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it's it's really is awful it's you can't you can't buy an off con not an off
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contract you can't what's the term I'm looking for you can't just pay out right
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for a Verizon phone, can you? No, I don't think... A Verizon iPhone. No, they won't
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let you. You can do that on AT&T though, right? I think so, yes. Yeah, which is weird. I don't
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know why one of them does that but the other one doesn't. I think because Verizon is like
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a little bit less nickel and dimey but a little bit more control freaky. Yeah. And it's the
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same way that they don't use SIM cards. I mean, they do, but it's only for International
01:41:09
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roaming that you don't have a SIM card from Verizon. It's like somehow your identifier
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is built into the phone hardware. I think that's the reason they stick with that is
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it gives them more control over the devices on their network. That's it. I ran down
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my list for the week. You got anything else?
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No, I think we… oh, the only other thing was the iOS 7 motion sickness.
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Oh, well, that's good. We could do that. That's a good way to close the show, make
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people sick. I think that's pretty interesting. So the idea here is that there's a lot of
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people who now that they've upgraded to iOS 7, that the extra motion in it, the zooming
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in and out, the parallax effect, is making some people who are susceptible to parallax
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of motion sickness, it's triggering it and they're feeling nauseous, nauseated.
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And I've gotten that sort of fake, there's that Star Wars ride, I don't know if they
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still have it, but there's a Star Wars ride at Disney World where you go into a box and
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they basically just shake the box around to simulate flying around in an X-wing or something
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That made me sick because you're not really flying, obviously.
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It's not like, I mean, I can do a roller coaster no problem because you're really moving, but
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That thing actually, walking out of that,
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I thought I was gonna yak.
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I don't have that problem with iOS 7 though.
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It seems to me like, I think I sympathize
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with everybody who's affected.
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And I've seen a lot of stuff online.
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I mean, you read the comments, and it's like,
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people are so stupid.
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There's people who, obviously,
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are clearly not affected by this.
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Their response to some of these articles is,
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well, then these people should buy a different phone.
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Now that's pretty… you're not really thinking this through. This is a fixable problem.
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The answer… nobody is asking for Apple to take all these, if you like them, and I like
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a lot of them, if you like these cool effects and transitions. They're not saying that
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they should take them out. They just want a way to turn them off.
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And Apple already has some of that. You can turn off the parallax, but there's some
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of the zooming effects, like when you go back to the home screen from an app and the icons
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fly in. You know, I think people want that turned off.
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Because I do sympathize. I would, because I love the iPhone and I'm on the iPhone all
01:43:38
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the time, it would be, I would feel like Alex in the Clockwork Orange if using my iPhone
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made me nauseated. I'm like compelled to do this thing that makes me want to throw up.
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Beethoven playing in the background.
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I can't stop checking Twitter and my email on my phone, but now I keep retching.
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And it might be better, it might make it better on the
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iPhone 4, too. Because it's a little difficult on the 4.
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I've heard mixed comments from my readers, and it's
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a very fun way, like having big readership
01:44:17
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during Fireball and not having comments and people just email me. It's a fun way to
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sort of get a survey. I've gotten email from people who are like, "I upgraded on my 4,
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and I can't believe—I was really worried about it because I saw all these people saying
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it was going to be slow. I think it's great." And then I got email from other people who
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are like, "Wow, I upgraded to 7 on my 4 and really regret it."
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Tim Cynova Yeah, I'm kind of in the middle of the road
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on it. I mean, I probably would do it just to get the extra features. I mean, I've got
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That was the first thing that I tested it on was an old 4 and then I went to a 4S and
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finally the 5 but it's...
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Some of it's a little difficult I think.
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Sure takes a while to boot up to.
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What about on the iPad?
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Do you have it on your iPad?
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I just put it on the iPad last night.
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I've got a third generation iPad and when I first upgraded to it I was like, "Oh my
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my god I should not have done this. But it's gotten, it's actually seems to have stabilized
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a little. I'm not sure exactly what was going on in the background, but it seems to be better.
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And I really like the parallax on a bigger screen.
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Yeah. It's much more noticeable, it's more fun,
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I think. I mean it's one of those stupid eye candy things that doesn't really give you
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a lot, but I think it's pretty cool. Yeah, I'm in the middle of the road on it.
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I stick with what I thought a month ago, which was that I thought that, you know, all summer
01:45:50
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long using the betas that on the iPad it was about a month behind the iPhone.
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Like when the iPhone got to a certain point in quality about a month later, iOS 7 on the
01:46:00
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iPad reached that point.
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And so I expected that they were going to release it just for the iPhone at first to
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coincide with the new iPhone event two weeks ago.
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And then in a month later, next month, October, when they do the iPad, then they'll release
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Iowa 7 for iPad. And I, you know, I'm not saying should is maybe a strong word, but
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I still think if they had done that it would probably be in better shape. And I would not
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be surprised at all if when the new iPads come in a couple of weeks that it were up
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to like, let's, I don't know if it's going to be 7.1 or just 7.0.4 or something, but
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some update that isn't even out yet where it's, you know, smoothed out. Because I noticed
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There's some things like where I'm switching just between mail and Safari because I'm
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reading messages where I've linked links and I'm opening them in Safari.
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Sometimes it's real smooth and then sometimes when I switch, it is like three, four, five
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seconds before the other app loads and I can't even hit the – even hitting the home button,
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it's whatever is going on there behind the scenes, the whole system is jammed up and
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I don't see that on the phone.
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I tried to switch the background of the wallpaper and I just like I wasn't getting any response whatsoever
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Yeah, you know I only switched it and it seemed like it was alright. Yeah
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David Barnard, I saw it posted a
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Vine and was it vine at six limited to six seconds
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I think so yeah
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So you have a limit of six seconds and the time it takes to change your wallpaper was longer than a vine
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So like you guys talked about this last week. Yeah, and I thought that was pretty telling so yeah
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But still it was but I also got to the point using it on my phone where going back to i/o six was
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Was jarring in its own way
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So, you know picking up my iPad and seeing i/o six was like yeah, I don't I don't like this anymore
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Yeah, I've moved on
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Emotionally and I need to be on it on all my devices. Yeah, I don't know and part of it
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I think is that you said that the
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That the parallax seems more noticeable on the bigger screen
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I think yeah, so definitely it really makes to me the home screen on an un-updated iPad feel static
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It just feels like there's no life to it
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Yeah, all right, I
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See what you mean. I wrap it up. I'll see what you mean here about the Samsung's history of gold flip phones
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It's actually from Samsung themselves
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It's a Samsung blog. Oh, is that right? Yeah, Samsung tomorrow
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I'll post this to the show notes. It's the golden history of Samsung phones and editorial from Samsung
01:48:42
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So that it's interesting that it comes from Samsung because it's
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It you know, it's like I wonder why they posted this
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Yeah, why would you why they would do that?
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Why would you see the need to defend your decision to put out a new gold phone?
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All right, John moltz, thank you for joining the show. Thank you