0:00:00You should have tried to get you should have gotten Martha Stewart on this week. Well, what's going on with that?
0:00:04I've been so busy this week. I saw Martha Stewart was in the news and I have no idea why
0:00:08So - well, she did two things this week
0:00:10Well, I guess her company did one of them, but she got sued by loads loads us
0:00:17Oh, you know she loads us. So she got sued by loads us for like five thousand bucks
0:00:22Over like the in-app purchase thing. She's she's got some I
0:00:27I don't even know what they are, but she's got some apps.
0:00:30Some app that uses in-app purchase.
0:00:32Yes, some app that uses in-app purchases.
0:00:34So they sued her, and she's like, "Oh, no.
0:00:37For those of you –"
0:00:38No, not to Martha.
0:00:39Martha Stewart, you don't.
0:00:40Really?
0:00:41So she's suing them.
0:00:42She's trying to get their claim invalidated.
0:00:45Awesome.
0:00:46Yeah, which would be great, because I think that would have – I assume that would have
0:00:50implications for everybody else.
0:00:52Yeah, totally.
0:00:53For all those of you guys who don't remember, LODESYS, L-O-D-S-Y-S, I think it stands for
0:00:58– it's like a Latin word that means a bunch of assholes – is a true patent troll.
0:01:06Like it's their quote, unquote –
0:01:08They make nothing.
0:01:09They make nothing.
0:01:10Their office is like a broom closet in Texas.
0:01:17Patent troll gets overused.
0:01:19patent troll is used by like and there's all sorts of totally legitimate complaints about
0:01:23the US patent system and worldwide patents and software patents in particular and people
0:01:31throw around the term patent troll to mean companies that are doing objectionable things
0:01:36with patents.
0:01:37But patent troll is really a company that is like the epitome of the problems with the
0:01:42patent system which is a company that actually has no product, doesn't do anything, has a
0:01:47patent but has no product that actually does the thing that the patent covers
0:01:51that just exists to sue people and and extort licenses and that's what loads us
0:01:56is and that they've gone after which is the further objectionable part they've
0:02:02gone after a lot of little guys like you know like when you sue Apple over a
0:02:07patent or you sue Microsoft well you know they're ready for it and they sue
0:02:11other people they've got you know big team of full-time patent lawyers and I'm
0:02:15I'm sure it's a pain in the ass to them every time it happens, but it's nowhere near as
0:02:18big a deal as when you sue, say, like our friends at the icon factory or James Thompson,
0:02:25the guy behind Drag Thing. His TLA Systems is literally a two-person company. It's him
0:02:31and his wife, and then they've got a big patent fight on their hands. So, hooray for you,
0:02:38Martha Stewart.
0:02:39And then she drops her iPad.
0:02:43Oh no.
0:02:44Cracks the corner, cracks the glass in the corner I guess.
0:02:47I don't think it's all the way across but I didn't get it too far into this rabbit hole.
0:02:52But she tweeted something about, "So do I just wait until someone from Apple comes and picks it up?"
0:03:00[Laughter]
0:03:04And then she was kind of getting upset about it on Twitter and then apparently I guess
0:03:13she got called by or somehow she got feedback from Apple PR saying, "Hey, you know, lighten
0:03:18up."
0:03:21And so she said something about that on Twitter too.
0:03:26But her complaint or part of her complaint was that she said, "You guys should fix this.
0:03:32Steve Jobs gave me this iPad.
0:03:37You know what?
0:03:38I don't know.
0:03:39I'm not exactly sure how to react to this.
0:03:42I mean, if Steve gives you an iPad...
0:03:46You do want it fixed.
0:03:47Should the company take care of that iPad in perpetuity?
0:03:52I don't know.
0:03:53That's funny.
0:03:54That seems like kind of a...
0:03:55It also means she must be using a pretty old iPad.
0:03:57Right.
0:03:58I mean because what's the last one he could have given her it would have been like a
0:04:02like a two maybe
0:04:05Yeah, I think I had to yeah, and not even a retina screen gross
0:04:10And then on the other hand yeah, I think Martha Stewart could probably afford to buy herself a new iPad yeah, you would think so
0:04:19It's pretty awesome though because she could obviously afford to pay loads his five thousand dollars
0:04:25And it's really cool that instead of doing that she's gonna spend a lot more than that to fight right right? That's pretty awesome
0:04:31Yeah, so yeah, maybe her frugality is because that's exactly that
0:04:35That's that it's extortion the patent troll game is genuine extortion where they just they they set a price that is you know
0:04:43Way less than it would cost to fight and so it just yeah
0:04:47You know it can be a very practical and I don't blame anybody who settles
0:04:52You know who knows I might too. I don't know depending on what they did. You know that it's you know it can be
0:04:58Incredibly expensive to fight. That's what makes it extortion
0:05:02I'd love to see you know probably don't want to know the list of people that they've
0:05:10Yeah, extorted to date. Yeah, and it's so funny because it was like it's just like when I've seen some of the list
0:05:17it's just it just
0:05:19Ying Yang's between like multi-billion dollar conglomerates and like yeah one person mom-and-pop
0:05:26part-time software jobs
0:05:28Because I remember the one time when TLA systems was announced as one of their targets which is James Thompson's
0:05:34You know little two-person software company was like the next company listed was the Walt Disney Company
0:05:49Well, hopefully she sticks it to him.
0:05:52Yeah, that'd be great.
0:05:54Yeah.
0:05:55Oh, man.
0:05:56So anyway, you couldn't get her, so you got me.
0:05:57Yeah, couldn't get her.
0:05:58Boy, I've always been a big fan of Martha Stewart.
0:06:01Yeah, I think I have too.
0:06:03I used to watch – Amy and I used to watch her show.
0:06:06We didn't really make time for it.
0:06:08It would be like a flipping through the channels, and when the Martha Stewart show was on, we'd
0:06:12watch.
0:06:13And it was like – and it sounds so dreadfully boring, and it kind of is, except that it's
0:06:18It's so boring that it wraps around and is fascinating.
0:06:23She is such an interesting person.
0:06:24She's so clearly an obsessive compulsive nerd.
0:06:28She's in her own way a design nerd.
0:06:33It's like there are so many ways on her show where she just does not try to hide it.
0:06:40I don't think that her and Steve Jobs were pals, but I think that in a way that he was
0:06:44sort of a nut.
0:06:45she's a nut in the same ways and it was just fascinating yeah actually and
0:06:50thinking about it I mean she went to jail because I mean I'm assuming she
0:06:55probably had multiple chances to settle that you know I don't remember about
0:07:00that if she could sell no I mean she really got screwed though she really did
0:07:04she did get I think she got screwed too but and so maybe they were trying to
0:07:07make it yeah I think that I don't know that she had a chance to settle I really
0:07:10don't yeah maybe that's maybe that's true but you think that I don't know if
0:07:15You think from the SEC's point of view, you don't look good sending Martha to jail.
0:07:23Yeah, you would, but I don't know.
0:07:25SEC doesn't really seem to show much interest in sending the people who should go to jail
0:07:29to jail.
0:07:30Exactly.
0:07:31There's sort of inmates running the asylum aspect to the SEC.
0:07:37Maybe that's it.
0:07:38It's like she's not one of them, really.
0:07:42She's an entertainer.
0:07:43Right.
0:07:44One of my favorite things about the mostly old Martha Stewart show, Amy, my wife has
0:07:49a terrific margarita recipe, but it's really just, it's just a slightly tweaked version
0:07:56of, and she, and Amy admits it, we got from Martha Stewart.
0:08:00And then, Chick, you would think, really, you're going to get a margarita recipe from
0:08:03Martha Stewart?
0:08:04But it's fantastic.
0:08:05Number one, it is, I think, literally three quarters tequila.
0:08:09It's like three parts tequila to like a quarter part fresh lime and orange juice.
0:08:17Well, and there's orange in it too.
0:08:19And it really-- and that's mostly lime, but a little bit of, I think, orange juice.
0:08:24I think.
0:08:25I forget.
0:08:26But it's all fresh squeezed and three quarters tequila.
0:08:28And it was like, who knew?
0:08:32But that actually is sort of the key to a good margarita.
0:08:37Served in hand-blown glass.
0:08:38- Yeah, of course.
0:08:40- On a doily that you made yourself.
0:08:43- Right, and then when I made it,
0:08:45I was serving it out of paper cups.
0:08:47(laughing)
0:08:50So here's a good one.
0:08:53I loved, it's where, I love this stuff.
0:08:56I love these, the analysts.
0:08:58You see the thing with the, you know,
0:09:01Philip Elmer DeWitt has always seemed,
0:09:04he does a good job of sort of--
0:09:07- Collecting that stuff.
0:09:07Yeah, like analyst specific claim chowder and just sort of holding them to their predictions.
0:09:15And the thing with the iPhone 5s and C is how many were they going to sell on the opening
0:09:20weekend?
0:09:21And for years, Apple has, I think every year, every time the iPhones come out, after the
0:09:26opening weekend, they've announced how many they sold.
0:09:30And the Wall Street consensus was like five to six million.
0:09:34And there were a couple like, what's his name, the TV guy.
0:09:38Monster, Gene Monster was calling for five or six million.
0:09:42Then Apple announces the number and it's nine million and instead of, "Wow, we were wrong.
0:09:47They sold a lot more."
0:09:48It was, "Oh, well, they didn't really sell nine million.
0:09:53They really sold five or six million," which is what we said.
0:09:56And there's like a bunch of them in a closet somewhere or on a store shelves or something
0:10:04like that.
0:10:05Tim Cynova Or I think what the Wall Street Journal did
0:10:09was said, "Yeah, they sold that many but you have to back out all these other ones."
0:10:14First of all, you have to take out China.
0:10:15Dave Asprey Yeah, China doesn't count.
0:10:16Tim Cynova China doesn't count because they just went
0:10:18into China.
0:10:19Dave Asprey Yeah, so that doesn't count.
0:10:20Tim Cynova That doesn't count.
0:10:22The fact that they're selling two new phones, so you got to take out the C because that
0:10:26count that doesn't count so when you take out all these other things then the
0:10:30sales are not that impressive even though the numbers that they were
0:10:34calling for before they announced them they didn't say oh we're not counting
0:10:37the 5c we're only counting the 5s they just they that's what makes it so
0:10:43comical to me like you know I hate to be wrong I really do I've said before like
0:10:47if there's you know it is the whole point of daring fireball is to write
0:10:53about great products and to try never to be wrong.
0:10:58But I fail, I do.
0:10:59I mean, it's human, so I'm wrong sometimes.
0:11:01And you know what I do when I'm wrong?
0:11:02I say, "Okay, I was wrong, here's why."
0:11:05And you know what, it's great.
0:11:06It's like such a relief.
0:11:08Just say it, just try it sometime.
0:11:11- Yeah.
0:11:11- I was wrong.
0:11:12So comical.
0:11:15It is a good question, though.
0:11:19Like, there is, and again, I think that these guys
0:11:22clearly were wrong because they were calling out total iPhone sold for the weekend in their
0:11:26predictions but I do think it is an interesting question as to what the split is between the
0:11:335s and the 5c and how does that compare to previous years like last year just one year
0:11:40ago when the iPhone 5 went on sale did they sell a lot of the then year old 4s because
0:11:48the discount applied to the 4S over the same weekend? I tend to think no. I tend to think
0:11:55that the, you know, especially when they were just year old and two year old models at the lower price
0:12:00points, that those just sold to people as they on a regular schedule, you know, like when they decided
0:12:08to buy a new phone, they go in the store and get it. Whereas the people who actually know, hey, the
0:12:13The new iPhone goes on sale today at 9 o'clock.
0:12:17They're all interested in the top of the line one.
0:12:21People don't go wait in line to buy it.
0:12:22You know.
0:12:23But this is the first time you could actually have some kind of indication about how well
0:12:30that second tier sold.
0:12:32Well, how good is that?
0:12:35Well, they're included in the numbers now.
0:12:38They're included in the new numbers.
0:12:39I'm assuming.
0:12:40Well, oh, well.
0:12:41I mean, I wonder, does Apple include-- I guess they probably do.
0:12:47They probably include the 4S too, don't they?
0:12:48Well, I don't know about that.
0:12:50Yeah, I don't know.
0:12:52But anyway, even if they're throwing the 4S in there as well, couldn't you tell-- this
0:13:03one from Locallytics tried to do a web analysis to see what the percentage of 5Cs on the web
0:13:11on the web was versus 5Ss.
0:13:13And I think they came up with something like--
0:13:19I'll have to go back and look.
0:13:20It was like a 4 to 1?
0:13:21Yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that.
0:13:23I don't know how they did that, though, because--
0:13:25well, maybe I'm wrong.
0:13:26I actually don't even know what those in-app analytics packages
0:13:30can see.
0:13:31Yeah, I don't know that either, but I'm assuming that they
0:13:33figured it out somehow.
0:13:34Yeah, you could run some tests on the CPU speed or something
0:13:39and know that you're running on an A7 instead of an A6.
0:13:43But I don't know--
0:13:44- But it's not gonna tell you the exact model.
0:13:45- Right, I don't know how you would be able
0:13:46to tell a 5C apart from a plain old 5,
0:13:50which is really what it looks like internally.
0:13:52I don't know, maybe there's some way.
0:13:54The other thing, I didn't link to their thing
0:13:56because I don't trust those in-app analytics stats
0:14:01all that much because--
0:14:03- No, I don't either.
0:14:05- 'Cause I question the sort of apps that include them.
0:14:09Like, I feel like a lot of the apps I use don't use sketchy ad-based analytics, because
0:14:15I don't use apps that have ads.
0:14:17Well, you guys use that, right?
0:14:19Oh, Vesper?
0:14:20And Vesper.
0:14:21Oh, yeah, yeah.
0:14:22It's loaded up with everything.
0:14:28We just have all those.
0:14:29It's really only about 100.
0:14:30No, it's a good call.
0:14:31Otherwise, you don't get good data.
0:14:35Right.
0:14:36Yeah, we tracked your location.
0:14:45All not true.
0:14:47We should be very clear about that.
0:14:52But I just don't know.
0:14:56That was funny too though because all those people jumped on the fact that after the 5C
0:15:00went on pre-order the week before that Apple didn't announce anything about those numbers.
0:15:06But like I wrote when that became like a little mini scandal and everybody jumped – or
0:15:11not everybody, but the pessimists jumped to the conclusion that they must be bad because
0:15:15otherwise they'd promote them, that there's no way they were going to break out the 5S
0:15:19from 5C because they don't want competitors to know that.
0:15:22The other thing that Philip Omer DeWitt points out is that all these analysts are going nuts
0:15:27about this and none of the other smartphone companies ever just – they don't even
0:15:31say how many phones they've sold, period.
0:15:33Amazon doesn't say how many phones they've sold.
0:15:37Every once in a while, they do, right?
0:15:40It's like out of context or you can't really pin it down.
0:15:43It's not the same.
0:15:44It's not the same.
0:15:45There's a whole question about them doing shipments as opposed to sales.
0:15:52They don't know exactly when this phone gets sold anyway.
0:15:57But when Apple sells a phone from its store, it's sold.
0:16:03Right.
0:16:04And one of the other things, too, is that clearly the stores, just like with Dow Rumple
0:16:12last week on the show, if you wanted to get one on Friday, you should have gone to an
0:16:16Apple store, not the carrier stores, because that's where the stores that are getting the
0:16:20most of them.
0:16:21And Apple doesn't count those as sold until customers have sold them.
0:16:27They do count.
0:16:28Like when they ship a box of brand new iPhones to a Verizon wireless retail store, those
0:16:34count as sold because Verizon takes the phones and gives Apple money and they count as sold.
0:16:39And so if they are sitting unsold in the Verizon store, they haven't been sold to customers
0:16:44yet.
0:16:45But the ones that go to the Apple stores, they don't count until you have it.
0:16:49And that's also true for the as yet unshipped online orders.
0:16:57And so I don't even know.
0:16:58I think the last I checked, every single one of the 5S's,
0:17:02every color, when you go to order it online now,
0:17:05it doesn't give you a date.
0:17:06It just says October.
0:17:08Oh, is that right?
0:17:10Because I think that they're--
0:17:11I don't know.
0:17:12I feel like they can't even--
0:17:14they just don't want to estimate.
0:17:16But that means however many people--
0:17:18I'm sure it's probably millions--
0:17:20right now have ordered online a new 5S,
0:17:24and it isn't yet in their hands.
0:17:26It's coming in October, but those won't count as sold by Apple until you actually
0:17:33have it in your hand.
0:17:34Tim Cynova Yeah.
0:17:35I actually went to the carrier store because I was switching from AT&T to Verizon and I
0:17:41didn't know how well Apple would be able to deal with that.
0:17:45But also because I walked right up.
0:17:49That was the other thing.
0:17:50And I wasn't getting – I got a 16 gig black, you know, space gray.
0:17:55So I knew I was getting a phone that they were most likely to have.
0:17:58If I was trying to get white or gold, I certainly wouldn't have gone there, but I figured,
0:18:04oh, 16 gig space gray, they're going to have that.
0:18:10And sure enough, I went and I got my phone and I walked by the Apple store after that
0:18:14and there was still a line.
0:18:17It wasn't huge, but there was still a line like 30 people long outside the phone.
0:18:21You're saying me and Dalrymple gave you bad advice.
0:18:24I didn't listen to you guys until after I already had my phone anyways.
0:18:27I agree with that.
0:18:29I mean, if you're listening as you walk home with your iPhone in your hand as you went by the line.
0:18:35I just think it depends. It depends on what you're looking for and what you're trying to accomplish.
0:18:43I was at the XOXO in Portland last weekend.
0:18:50Now, I already, I was, you know, the jerk who already had a 5S because I had the review
0:18:57unit from Apple and I had the gold one, you know, so I could actually prove that I had
0:19:02the new one.
0:19:03So, all I did was, but I did, I bought my own personal one, Space Gray, but I ordered
0:19:08online because there was no way I was getting up and getting in the line.
0:19:17ordered right at like midnight 01 like when my phone said 12 00 put down my
0:19:24drink open up the Apple Store app which I think is the best way to do it I opened
0:19:28up the app and it said you want to I want to replace this phone the phone I'm
0:19:32using with a new one here's the one I want and click like two more buttons and
0:19:37then it said okay your order is placed it'll be there in one to three days
0:19:41wait you're saying it knew which phone you had yes the Apple when you and I did
0:19:47this I think before too but when you order a new iPhone using the Apple store
0:19:53app on your iPhone it'll offer you know do you want a new phone or do you want
0:19:58to replace this very phone and you know gave me my phone number and I said yes I
0:20:02want to replace this phone and then the phones that came because Amy got one too
0:20:07it's really it's really slick the phone comes it you know and it came Wednesday
0:20:12so that was three days three business days you open it up and it's already
0:20:19says like this phone is going to replace you know no really yeah swipe here and
0:20:24it'll become you know your you know your phone number will move over and you do
0:20:28that and it I guess it what do they call that process activates and then as soon
0:20:33as it does your old phone is no longer has a service and your new phone has
0:20:37your phone number huh it's really pretty slick I wonder if they'll one day do
0:20:42like a tap to tap to replace like with the like with the Apple TV yeah bump the
0:20:51fan to tap to set it up yeah I guess you can do that when you order online in the
0:20:55website too but you just have to enter you have to enter like your Verizon
0:20:59account info and then it lists your phone numbers it's just so much easier
0:21:02especially like if you really kind of want to get it fast and you want to kind
0:21:07of order within a minute or two you know it's almost like getting WWDC tickets
0:21:11You know
0:21:13It's so much. You just saved so many steps when you say replace this phone
0:21:16Right somebody else was with us
0:21:19where we were Amy and I were ordering them and
0:21:26Forget what happened, but she you know it took her an extra couple of minutes
0:21:31And in that in the interim like the shipping time and she got like the same phone that Amy did the gold one
0:21:36And it was like days later like estimated arrival
0:21:40So, I mean, they did go fast.
0:21:44So, if you use the app and your last name is Gruber.
0:21:51I don't think that had anything to do with it.
0:21:52You get it super fast.
0:21:54I don't think that had anything to do with it.
0:21:57Right to the front of the line.
0:21:59Phil Schiller shows up with it.
0:22:02He helps set you up.
0:22:06- Make sure your iCloud is backed up.
0:22:08So you did the switch, how'd that work?
0:22:14How'd that go for you?
0:22:15- Pretty well.
0:22:17I'm afraid to see my AT&T bill 'cause I'm breaking.
0:22:23- Oh, I got that bill last year.
0:22:24- I'm breaking contract, but my wife was on,
0:22:28we were both on AT&T.
0:22:29I was on AT&T for like, oh my God, 15 years?
0:22:32- Yeah, that's what I was like too.
0:22:33- Something like that.
0:22:34And we've never gotten very good reception in the house here.
0:22:38And she's running her business off of her phone.
0:22:40So she's like-- we tried to micro-sell,
0:22:46and it kept dropping us off the micro-cell.
0:22:48And finally, we were just like, you know what?
0:22:50This is dumb.
0:22:51I mean, she was getting calls from clients who were getting--
0:22:54they were going to voicemail.
0:22:57So she jumped a few months ago, so we
0:23:03could keep the same network.
0:23:06It went pretty well for me, as I recall.
0:23:08It was sort of a hassle, and it was certainly a lot harder
0:23:10than just upgrading the place.
0:23:11Yeah.
0:23:11I mean, I said to stand at the counter for a while
0:23:13and give them, like, 10,000 pieces of information.
0:23:17But--
0:23:18Right.
0:23:19But it worked.
0:23:20Do you think ordering in a store was the way to go?
0:23:24Well, I just thought, since I was switching networks,
0:23:26that it would be.
0:23:27Because I don't--
0:23:29I just don't imagine that they're
0:23:32that equipped to handle that at the Apple store, but I've never tried it.
0:23:35I don't know if AT&T has something like this now too, but I know with Verizon we have a
0:23:39pretty nice shared data plan where you just pick how many gigabytes you want for as many
0:23:46phones as you have.
0:23:47And I even have my iPad on it.
0:23:50And so instead of paying separately for the iPad, it's just one collective pool of data.
0:23:56they're they give you good warnings in advance and as long as you up move it up like if you're
0:24:05going to go over if you have six gigabytes collectively and you get close you can go up to
0:24:09eight and you don't pay any penalty for that you just pay the prorated thing and then next month
0:24:15you can take it back down to six or whatever you were at so like like over the summer like i
0:24:19I watched a lot of baseball games on the iPad,
0:24:24and I did have to move the data up,
0:24:27but it didn't, you know, it was nice.
0:24:29- Well, you won't have that problem shortly.
0:24:33- Why is that?
0:24:34Oh, watching baseball games.
0:24:36Boy, that's something.
0:24:39We should go get back to that after,
0:24:40I should do a sponsor break,
0:24:42'cause I'm gonna get weepy.
0:24:44- Yeah, I was gonna ask you.
0:24:48Get the sponsor break out before you start sobbing like a little kitty.
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0:28:29Alright, baseball. Oh my god.
0:28:32So I just watched that video.
0:28:36So as we record, it's Friday the 27th of September.
0:28:41And last night at Yankee Stadium was the last game that Mariano Rivera is going to play at Yankee Stadium.
0:28:49And, you know, Yankee season has really just gone to shit in the last three weeks.
0:28:55I mean they were in it against all odds with the crazy amount of injuries they've had this year
0:28:59But they were really in the hunt and when they really just needed they didn't even need to play that great
0:29:04But they've really shit the bed and so they're out of the playoffs. They're not I mean I
0:29:09think that the
0:29:11The last time there was a baseball game at Yankee Stadium where the Yankees weren't in
0:29:17playoff contention at least was
0:29:191993 I mean that's a hell of a run
0:29:23So they're out of it and so really the only thing at stake is that two of the great Yankees are
0:29:28retiring this year Mariano Rivera and Andy Pettit and
0:29:31You know Mariano is the bigger deal, and I don't know didn't Pettit retire already once yeah, he retired in
0:29:38Yeah
0:29:402010 yeah after they won the World Series in 2009 and then he was gone for a year and then and then missed it and
0:29:46Came back
0:29:48And it's been great. I mean the most from one of the most remarkable things about the Yankees this year
0:29:52They've had a lot of pitching problems, but Andy Pettitte, who's 41, has been, especially
0:29:58in the second half of the season, by far their most reliable pitcher. And Mariano Rivera is 43.
0:30:04I think he's — because Jamie Moyer is gone. He's like literally the oldest guy in Major League
0:30:09Baseball and had another fantastic all-star caliber season. I mean, he was amazing. I mean,
0:30:17there's absolutely not like he couldn't play again. I mean, he's walking away at 43, still
0:30:24literally at the top of his game. But it was amazing because everybody wanted to see him. And so,
0:30:29even though the Yankees are out of the playoffs, which usually means that Yankee Stadium just
0:30:33empties right out. I mean, Yankee fans are only there for one thing and one thing only, and that's
0:30:38see some championships. It was a sellout, total sellout. Really wish that I could have been there.
0:30:45And it was just like a big, like an Irish funeral at the end.
0:30:50Everybody was just slobbering, crying.
0:30:52[LAUGHTER]
0:30:54Really kind of amazing.
0:30:55And they did.
0:30:56They handled it.
0:30:57I thought they handled it amazingly.
0:30:59Yeah.
0:31:00No, it was very nice.
0:31:01I mean, even someone who does not particularly--
0:31:03who is not particularly a Yankee fan.
0:31:06It's a nice moment in baseball.
0:31:08Any time a guy--
0:31:09it's like, we'll never get that in our careers
0:31:12where we get to walk out--
0:31:13No.
0:31:13[LAUGHTER]
0:31:14and wave
0:31:17well and all crowd of people to say goodbye so few athletes even do because
0:31:21you know usually they play until their past
0:31:24you know
0:31:25past their expiration date
0:31:27and they you know they make the decision in the off season you know and they
0:31:30don't get that
0:31:32what they did
0:31:33and and for those of you who aren't baseball fans i apologize but the way that it goes if
0:31:36you're a pitcher and they're going to make a pitching change and take you out
0:31:40and put another pitcher in the manager of the team comes out to the mound
0:31:44takes the ball from your hand.
0:31:45It's like a symbolic gesture.
0:31:47I don't think the rules actually stipulate
0:31:48you have to take the ball from your hand,
0:31:50but that's just what it's done.
0:31:51It's, you know, manager or at any other league, you know,
0:31:55level, the coach comes out, takes the ball from your hand,
0:31:58you leave the mound, and then they call in
0:32:00the guy who's gonna replace you.
0:32:01And Mariano Rivera, as the closer,
0:32:06he's always the last pitcher.
0:32:08He comes in and nobody takes the ball from him.
0:32:13And so when he got to two outs in the ninth, the Yankees manager Joe Girardi, instead of
0:32:20coming out, he sent two players out.
0:32:22He sent Derek Jeter and Andy Pettit out.
0:32:25And Jeter and Pettit took the ball from Moe.
0:32:28And they all did.
0:32:29Three of them just broke down crying.
0:32:31Actually, Jeter was laughing, but that's Jeter.
0:32:37And I've never seen anything like that before.
0:32:39There's nobody else who you could, you know, I don't even know who could have done that
0:32:42before but it was really just kind of amazing part of what was amazing too is
0:32:48the catcher is a guy named JR Murphy I think he's like 22 years old so he's a
0:32:53young kid they're only really playing them because he's sort of like a test to
0:32:56see you know let's see what the kids got but at 22 years old that means when he
0:33:00was born the day he was born Mariano Rivera was already in the Yankee minor
0:33:05leagues. Which is crazy. Like this kid, like Mariano Rivera was in the Yankee minor leagues
0:33:13playing professional baseball for the Yankee organization on the day the kid was born.
0:33:17And then he's the guy who got to catch, you know, Mariano Rivera's last appearance. And
0:33:22on his face, if you watch that video, Murphy's face, he looks like what you think you would
0:33:28look like. Like, he just looks like, "Oh my god, I can't believe that I'm here."
0:33:35I was crying. I don't think I've cried in years. I couldn't remember. I was thinking
0:33:40about it. I don't remember the last time I've shed a tear. I was watching it. Tears
0:33:44coming down my face.
0:33:48Tears of laughter?
0:33:49No, tears. It was terrible. I mean, you're never going to see Moe again. Well, he's
0:33:54And you know what? And there's a certain... I mean, Mo at Yankee Stadium...
0:33:58The thing that, to me, is a little ignominious is now the Yankees have three totally meaningless games
0:34:03against the Houston Astros.
0:34:07Which is just... it just doesn't seem right. It just seems like...
0:34:12that they... I don't know. It just doesn't seem right.
0:34:16But, I don't know, because they are meaningless and they don't have playoff implications.
0:34:20rumor is that Moe wants to play centerfield so there might he might play
0:34:24an inning or two in centerfield down in Astros that would be something to see
0:34:29really yeah totally right he's well you know how he you remember when he hurt
0:34:34his knee last year he ripped it ligament his knee for years his whole career he
0:34:38likes to shag flies he's and that's like how he gets his workout in how he stays
0:34:42in shape is before every game he's out with the outfielders and it always has
0:34:47been his whole career catching long you know running down fly balls and catching
0:34:52him and the word has always been that when he was like in the minor leagues
0:34:57that a lot of the Yankees scouts thought he was one of the best outfield I don't
0:35:02know if he was ever a good hitter I don't know if he could hit but
0:35:04defensively you know and athletically he was always considered you know maybe one
0:35:08of the best in the whole system and he's always said like and nobody could tell
0:35:13if he's joking or not that but before he retires he'd like to play a little
0:35:16center field for the Yankees. And so, you know, they asked Joe Girardi and he said, "Maybe."
0:35:22So that was—
0:35:27Well, why not?
0:35:27Houston Astros.
0:35:29At this point.
0:35:29Kind of crazy.
0:35:31You know, the season's basically over.
0:35:33Right. And you couldn't do that. Like, see, they were playing the Tampa Bay Rays last night. And
0:35:37the Tampa Bay Rays are in the wild card chase. So, like, every game they play means something.
0:35:41So even if you, the Yankees—
0:35:43Right, you're playing Houston, Houston's time.
0:35:45Right. There was also a kid who came in, who's the guy who replaces Moe, and he was just
0:35:55some no-name kid. I mean, I watch a lot of Yankees games. A kid named Daley, I think,
0:36:00came in and threw three pitches and struck the next guy out. And it was like, man, I
0:36:06don't think... Because it was 4-0 Tampa. I don't think that the guy purposefully struck
0:36:11out. I think the pro baseball players, everybody was there for Mo, but you try to win. But
0:36:18talk about nobody really wanting to see him pitch. It's like he did the right thing.
0:36:23Threw three pitches and got the hell off. It was kind of nice.
0:36:31What's the deal with the Mariners? Are they in the wild card?
0:36:33Oh God.
0:36:34[laughter]
0:36:35Is anybody listening still?
0:36:38Hey, we talked about Martha Stewart for a while.
0:36:41Yeah.
0:36:42I wonder if Martha Stewart likes baseball.
0:36:43I wonder if people who aren't baseball fans.
0:36:45I wonder if Martha Stewart likes baseball.
0:36:47Probably not.
0:36:48Probably.
0:36:49I would imagine not.
0:36:52Yeah.
0:36:53But, you never know.
0:36:55She likes tequila.
0:36:56That's right.
0:36:57We wouldn't have expected that.
0:37:00Yeah.
0:37:01A lot of tequila, apparently.
0:37:02Yeah. Let me tell you about it. Did she make that recipe up after she got out of jail?
0:37:08No, no. This was a long time ago. This was like maybe the late 90s or like around 2000 or something.
0:37:14She got real anchored for bathtub gin after she got out of prison.
0:37:20Right. I think after prison, maybe she had like recipes for how to make your own tequila. How to
0:37:29make your own tequila out of things you can get in a prison cafeteria.
0:37:34Dan: A potato. Dirty rag.
0:37:41Dave What do they make prison liquor out of? Do they make it out of potatoes? I guess anything
0:37:48that would ferment, right?
0:37:49Dan I should ask my wife. I'm sure she knows.
0:37:51Dave Yeah, she probably does.
0:37:53Dan My wife is a private investigator. That's
0:37:55said not that my wife is she has actually been to prison many times but
0:38:00just like a monopoly that just the just visiting area yeah they said that should
0:38:06be like the new hipster thing you know how I get a lot of the people are making
0:38:10their own beer oh yeah yeah and you make your own like prison that's great is it
0:38:18gin I don't know gin seems like that'd be hard to make it's probably no it's
0:38:22not really Jim just some kind of Jim would probably be putting on errors for
0:38:26what that is just some kind of unclassifiable yeah rot gut I've got
0:38:33moonshine moonshine is probably a even classier to probably too classy but
0:38:39probably because it seems like moonshine it whenever you know my experience
0:38:43watching it be made is watching the Dukes of Hazzard frankly but it just
0:38:47seemed to me like it requires a pretty significant apparatus you know there's
0:38:52these you know this crazy thing with the tubes and tinctures and glass bubbly
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0:39:03need something you can hide in it's gotta be something you can they only
0:39:08got they got like a little tiny sink in there and they have a toilet I don't
0:39:17think I'm not sure that's gonna catch on we laugh but if you and I got sent to
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0:44:12What else is going on?
0:44:19Touch ID?
0:44:22That's pretty good.
0:44:23What happened?
0:44:24What did it?
0:44:25What?
0:44:26I don't even know what to say.
0:44:28Have you hacked a Touch ID yet?
0:44:31So when did that happen?
0:44:32It seemed like it blew up.
0:44:34It was early this week.
0:44:36And as soon as it started blowing up, I was like, "Well, now we know what the overblown
0:44:40fake scandal for the iPhone 5 is going to – 5S is going to be. And then, like, the
0:44:46weirdest thing happened. It seemed like the internet collectively came to its senses.
0:44:51ISKRA Yeah. I haven't seen anything really outrageous about that, particularly. It seems
0:44:59like everybody's like, "You can, you can do it." But it's not exactly like everybody's
0:45:05going to be doing it. And-
0:45:06Is it interesting that you can that you can spoof a fingerprint?
0:45:10like if you know what these guys did is they print they they like took a
0:45:132400 DPI fingerprint scan and then you
0:45:17Use that to produce like us like a rubber fake
0:45:22Fingerprint put it over your own finger and then your finger, you know can spoof that fingerprint
0:45:28I mean, it's you know, it's not impossible, but it's you know, it's kind of mission impossibly, you know
0:45:35It's like a spy movie type thing.
0:45:37I mean, it takes expertise.
0:45:38Yeah, I mean, it takes some expertise.
0:45:42Yeah, it's sort of maker-- like I said,
0:45:44I think I said maker skills kind of thing.
0:45:48It's a crafty-- you have to be a little crafty.
0:45:52And then the whole point is still
0:45:54that even with that touch ID is still-- it's obviously better
0:46:00than what Apple said.
0:46:03Most people just don't use a passcode at all.
0:46:05Or it's probably still even better than a simple passcode.
0:46:10Oh, I think it definitely is.
0:46:12I mean, you could argue about that, about whether it's better than a simple passcode.
0:46:17But it's unquestionably better than none at all.
0:46:20I mean, and the bottom line is the only thing they showed is that if you are being attacked by someone who has the expertise to make a 2400 DPI fake
0:46:30or a copy of your fingerprint
0:46:32That the sensor can be spoofed. Well, I mean it's interesting but I don't think that's surprising, you know
0:46:39Yeah, I don't and I think calling it a hack is is totally misleading that seemed yeah
0:46:44That seems like the wrong word, but I don't know of a better word spoons spoof or fool
0:46:48You know that you can spoof it with a fake fingerprint a high quality fake print fingerprint
0:46:54I really don't think and you know and and I don't think that if I just
0:46:58Hand it over my phone to them right now without having wiped it or anything
0:47:03I don't think it's possible to just take a fingerprint from it. That would that would be of high enough quality
0:47:10I think you'd have to really kind of work to get a fingerprint of that quality
0:47:13And even if I'm wrong, you're still talking about experts
0:47:15It's not going to be of any help to someone who just steals or finds an iPhone. I
0:47:20Think it depends
0:47:26And I think I think there are yeah, I know well
0:47:29I didn't see the whole I didn't watch the whole thing, but it doesn't I mean it seems like the kind of thing that
0:47:33You could follow and do if you really wanted to
0:47:37but well
0:47:39It doesn't seem like people I don't know it doesn't it seem like the people who steal a phone or much more interested in just
0:47:45Getting the phone. Yeah, it's selling it. They're not that they're not that interested in getting your
0:47:49Your data most most phone phone thieves are right about the phone
0:47:56And you know let's face it for a lot of us it's really just a way to defend against somebody
0:48:01pooping you. Yeah right. Right by which I mean that there's a whole thing where people if you
0:48:09leave your phone unattended your your quote-unquote friends will take it and go to your Twitter and
0:48:13then just write the word pooping. Yeah. To fake to make it look as though while you were taking
0:48:20a poop you you tweeted it. Yeah and that's that was the example that I use because we've got this
0:48:24friend who I go out drinking with frequently, and I know what his passcode is, just because
0:48:28I've seen him type it in so many times. And he's got simple passcode turned on. And
0:48:34I see people doing this all the time, but when they go to—it's like a bunch of guys
0:48:38sitting around at the bar—they just leave their phone in the bar when they go to the
0:48:41bathroom. And I don't do that.
0:48:45No, I don't do that either, because I want to be on my phone while I'm in the bathroom.
0:48:51No, but I don't do that. I don't certainly – I don't know. I feel very uncomfortable
0:48:56when my phone is like laying –
0:49:00Plus I know those guys would try and get into it.
0:49:03They'll poop in you.
0:49:06Yeah. So I'll be interested to see if anybody decides to make a big deal out of that because
0:49:17it doesn't seem like it's that big a deal.
0:49:18No, it doesn't. I do think it's interesting that some of the analysis of it, you know,
0:49:25the how secure is it, you know, argument aside, just in terms of is this a cool feature. A
0:49:31lot of it, you know, as people kind of figured out more and more how this works, that a lot
0:49:35of it really comes down to the fact that Apple is designing its own system on a chips now,
0:49:43Right? Like that was a big change. And I remember thinking it was almost unusual how much, how
0:49:51proud Steve Jobs seemed of that when they first did it with what, the A4 processor?
0:49:56So what would that have been four years ago? So what was that? The first iPhone 4. Right?
0:50:04Right. I think that's right. And, you know, I remember thinking it was more about Steve
0:50:11jobs sort of being old school, you know, from back in the 70s and 80s when the semiconductor
0:50:16industry was new. And, you know, that it was, it made him proud that Apple was doing a lot
0:50:22of that now on its own instead of just getting parts from others. But I think part of, in
0:50:29hindsight, I think part of why he was so proud about it is that it's enabling them to do
0:50:33features that they couldn't otherwise do. That it really is part of the system on a
0:50:39chip design that there's this secure enclave where there's storage that is completely,
0:50:45like, technically inaccessible to the actual regular operating system. Nothing in iOS,
0:50:51not even the root process can access it. And that's going to be, it's going to be hard
0:50:57to copy. Because it's, you know, chip design is like a years-long process. Like, I think
0:51:04this is something that they started working on you know five years ago maybe
0:51:08longer
0:51:10yeah
0:51:11and it may not take five years for the you know other companies to copy it but
0:51:14it will take years
0:51:21you like the uh... touch i_d_ use it
0:51:26ideal yeah
0:51:28yeah i mean
0:51:30if one of the great things about it is that
0:51:32it lets me turn turn on
0:51:35the com uh... turn all i guess it's turn off simple passcode
0:51:39rights now you have a uh...
0:51:41along passcode
0:51:42along passcode and i have that set
0:51:45so for the
0:51:46to be required to be unlocked immediately
0:51:49yes yeah
0:51:51i mean so i think
0:51:52men given those two things i think my phones more secure than it was
0:51:56yeah i totally think so
0:51:58It'll be interesting to see what happens if somebody, and maybe it's not even a question
0:52:03of if, maybe it's, you know, we should admit that it's a question of when somebody is going
0:52:08to have their phone unlocked against their will by this.
0:52:12Right.
0:52:13You know, and there's a good question about like what law enforcement can do.
0:52:19Like Oh yeah.
0:52:22you know, that you're something like a password is considered like a in the US like a First
0:52:29Amendment type thing like you can't write you know they can't say what's the password
0:52:33to your phone you can just you know if you're allowed to not answer a question are are you
0:52:38allowed to not have them physically force your thumb against the sensor as you know
0:52:46people that sort of an open question on that yeah it's like a key where you can't go
0:52:52claim a first amendment right to a key around a physical key like the key to your car right
0:52:57except that in this case it is your you know it's a little different than a key because
0:53:00it's you know your body so i don't know yeah it's an open question and people are concerned
0:53:04about it and then you know i think a lot of this comes down to who are you concerned about
0:53:08getting access to your phone you know and obviously you know this nsa stuff is on people's
0:53:13minds and rightly so i'm not saying that it shouldn't be but um in terms of like protecting
0:53:19you from government agencies no touch ID probably is is not gonna stop anything
0:53:25but I you know again against like your friends or your kids or just somebody
0:53:30who finds your phone in the back of a cab right like you you lose your phone
0:53:35in a cab touch ID is gonna work great yeah I use it all the time
0:53:46How many fingers did you set up with?
0:53:50Toes.
0:53:51I just used toes.
0:53:53I said three, I think.
0:53:55I think I said three.
0:53:57Both my thumbs.
0:54:00And then I actually used my – why am I telling you this?
0:54:03I shouldn't say this.
0:54:04I guess so.
0:54:05Now someone's going to come in the middle of the night and cut my thumbs off.
0:54:10I'm not telling you.
0:54:13Forget it.
0:54:14fingers right now. There was this, I don't know, this is a terrible rattle, but my parents
0:54:27had this book, this German book that was trying to teach kids manners from the 1800s. I have
0:54:34no idea how they got this book, but we had this book lying around growing up and one
0:54:38of the stories, one of these horrible German stories from the mid-1800s was, I think it's
0:54:46pronounced Der Stroulpeter, and it was this. The mother goes out. This is because that's
0:54:51what they did back then. They just left the kids at home. So she goes out to go grocery
0:54:54shopping or whatever, and she tells the kid, "Don't suck your thumb," or "Der Stroulpeter
0:54:59will come get you." And so, of course, the minute the woman goes out the door, the kid
0:55:04kid starts sucking his thumb and this guy bursts into the door and he's got these
0:55:10huge scissor hands and he snips the kid's thumbs off and the kid is just sitting there
0:55:19crying with no thumbs. And that's the moral of the story. Don't suck your thumbs or
0:55:28some crazy German man with scissor hands is going to cut your thumbs off.
0:55:34That's pretty that was that was mid-1800
0:55:36Parenting that's pretty rough
0:55:40Probably you can look it up. You can look that up on the web
0:55:43it's that there's they've a lot of places like boing boing and like laughing squid of
0:55:47if it's the case if you go back a hundred years if it always looks like we were pretty terrible to our kids like maybe
0:55:54In 1850 when they were using this book to teach kids not to suck their thumbs a hundred years prior to that
0:56:00Maybe they actually cut off the kids thumbs and they're like, can you believe that we used to actually do this to the kids?
0:56:05And there's like you didn't have modern parenting technology
0:56:09That would hey and allow us to convey to the children that their thumbs would be cut off
0:56:13Right and grandpa's you actually cut the thumbs off grandpa who grew up then is in the corner and he you know missing a thumb
0:56:19Yeah, yeah hurt like hell
0:56:22I cannot work in the fields
0:56:26Do you see this thing with Steven Elop and the car? Yeah, that was everything on my list
0:56:31so
0:56:33Long story short and this to me is why he's got who's got two thumbs and 25 million dollars
0:56:38Who
0:56:42It was long
0:56:45rumored by you know, like especially Nokia fans so the
0:56:48When when Nokia hired him he came from Microsoft and then shortly after he got there. He said, okay my evaluation is
0:56:56We're screwed on smartphone operating systems ours is no good the one we've been worked in you know symbionts
0:57:02No good this whatever the me bow whatever it was they were working on not gonna cut it
0:57:05We're gonna go to Windows 7 and so everybody was like hmm. We hire a guy from Microsoft
0:57:10He comes in and he switches us to Windows phone this seems to me like this guy was a mole
0:57:15Maybe his plan is to run Nokia in the ground and then have Microsoft buy them well
0:57:21Well then it turns out this week that his contract was structured such that, well, just
0:57:25in case Nokia gets cash strapped and their business goes down, and because they're cash
0:57:32strapped they have to sell the company to say, or maybe their handset business to say
0:57:38Microsoft, well if that happens we'll give you a $25 million bonus.
0:57:45And lo and behold that's exactly what happened.
0:57:49And then to top that off, I guess because it's such a true scandal in, what, Finland?
0:57:56Finland.
0:57:57Where are they?
0:57:58Yeah.
0:57:59Finland.
0:58:00Because Nokia is, rightly so, that's the pride of Finland.
0:58:03And it's a big company worldwide, but it's certainly a bigger deal in Finland.
0:58:07There's a scandal over this.
0:58:09And so the board apparently went to him and asked him, "Well, would you give that bonus
0:58:14back?"
0:58:16his answer is that he can't because he's getting his divorce and his wife won't
0:58:20let him I don't know how that it's the shock he's already so he's gotten he's
0:58:31already gotten the money I guess I guess whatever else is you know it's is stock
0:58:37or whatever it is you know either he's gotten it or he's legally going to get
0:58:42then there's nothing they could do unless he volunteered to you know turn
0:58:45down or renegotiate or something. The thing with the wife is interesting to me on two
0:58:51fronts. On a personal level, the fact that he was willing to publicly throw her under
0:58:55the bus makes it a lot less surprising that she wants to divorce him in the first place.
0:59:02But the second part is I don't blame her at all. She didn't run Nokia into the ground.
0:59:08You know the his wife she is legally entitled to half the money, so you know why in the world should she?
0:59:16Let turn it down
0:59:19It's you know to me, yeah, no keep the dumbass Nokia boards fault for agreeing to a contract like that, right?
0:59:27It just seems like a crazy thing to put in a contract like it would be like if you were hiring a new coach of
0:59:35your team and you
0:59:37rewarded losing a record number of games. Just in case we only win ten ball games in one of the next three seasons,
0:59:43you'll get a bonus.
0:59:45Like, why would you put a bonus like that in? I guess it was structured in
0:59:49language that made it seem like a golden parachute, right? Like, if the handset business is acquired,
0:59:56you know, if you the board approve a handset sale, I get a big bonus.
1:00:00But, you know, doesn't it logically seem like
1:00:04The only way that the handset business would get sold is if you do a pretty bad job running it I
1:00:10Guess the I don't know I mean maybe the idea is that if you look at it the other way that his
1:00:18Compensation you know if he had done it if he had done a good job and not run the company into the ground his
1:00:22Compensation would have been a lot more
1:00:27Guess I don't know it just certainly yeah, yeah, right. I mean you could
1:00:32It leaves a bad day just for you know I mean if some of these packages 25 million is not really
1:00:37That big and it really does I mean no it I never thought it sounded crazy. It's not you know the
1:00:45Kubrick faked the moon landings crazy. It's just you know like hmm
1:00:50I don't know that's kind of a conspiracy the idea that he was a Microsoft mole from the beginning
1:00:54But you know now that they're actually selling the hints at unit to Microsoft it
1:00:58You know it's kind of like well call it a conspiracy or what you will
1:01:01it's what happened. And it certainly hasn't been good for Nokia shareholders or customers.
1:01:07Jared "Seth" Johnson No.
1:01:08So, I'm interested to know what Nokia, the company, is going to do after this.
1:01:16I mean, they're buying their mobile services.
1:01:21Pete Laskowski Right.
1:01:22Jared "Seth" Johnson Microsoft is buying their mobile services business,
1:01:24and Nokia is still a company in Finland.
1:01:28Pete Laskowski Yeah, I don't know what other businesses they have.
1:01:30There was some, and I forget who mentioned this on Twitter, somebody like, maybe it was
1:01:35Nealey Patel, said somebody mentioned this in comments or something on The Verge. It may not
1:01:39have been The Verge, but I can't remember. That Nokia would go and buy HTC and then start making
1:01:46Android phones. Which I thought was interesting. I'm not sure if that really helps them, but...
1:01:54I don't know.
1:01:58But it gets back to that whole question about what they should have done in the first place.
1:02:02It's like their chance for a do-over. Although, four years too late or whatever it was,
1:02:11three years. How long ago was that that they ditched? It was three years?
1:02:18Yeah, it was pretty fast in the grand scheme of things.
1:02:20Because it had to be three years because the iPhone's only been out six years.
1:02:26the whole thing was precipitated by the rise of…
1:02:29And Windows Phone hasn't been around that long.
1:02:33No. I think two years? Is that right?
1:02:38No, I think it's been longer than that, but…
1:02:40Three years, yeah.
1:02:41Yeah, I think it's been three years.
1:02:43Yeah.
1:02:43I keep saying it's going to take over Android. I should go back and find that one again. Every
1:02:56once in a while I pull that one out. That's probably a worse, that's probably one of the
1:03:00worst claimed chowders ever because it's so so bad and it but it is what they wanted right that
1:03:08you know and it's so directly comparable you know that you know some of the Android to iPhone
1:03:13comparisons are so tough because Android is just an OS that they license to other people to make
1:03:18and iPhone is all Apple whereas Windows Phone is it's an OS that they license to handset makers to
1:03:24make like windows phone and android are couldn't be more direct competitors
1:03:28right and and what was it like I forget who it was like by 2014 yeah it's gonna
1:03:35be yeah we see that's the funny that's the yeah because it was by the end of
1:03:38this year yeah it's coming up that one of those firms had speculated that you
1:03:43know and it's even worse I got it here all right you got it hang on a sec well
1:03:48it's it's even worse than the infamous claim chowder by Eric Schmidt who like
1:03:53a year ago said that by the middle of the next summer,
1:03:55half the TV sold in America were gonna have Google TV
1:03:58hooked up to them.
1:03:59Now that's bad, and he was wrong.
1:04:01I mean, nobody even talks about Google TV anymore.
1:04:03- But at least then he's trying to push his own company.
1:04:07I mean, you could call that marketing.
1:04:09That's what he's supposed to do.
1:04:12Whereas this was an analyst,
1:04:14this is pyramid research analyst Stella Boken
1:04:18said that Windows Phone is poised to overtake
1:04:21Android's massive market share as soon as 2013. And this was back in 2011, May of 2011.
1:04:28It's like – you should have known by then.
1:04:35With Eric Schmidt, he was on stage being interviewed and I think he sort of has a tendency to run
1:04:42his mouth a little bit. He was shooting from the hip. And maybe as soon as he said it,
1:04:46he was like, "Ah, I don't know why I said that." But to hell with it. I'm promoting
1:04:49Like you said he's a spokesman for the company. Whereas this is supposed to be a measured well considered research report
1:04:57Right, right. This is our analysis. This is why you should you should pay our company to provide research
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1:05:10Yeah
1:05:11And I really I have to believe that they think that a lot of these companies think that
1:05:15But they just need to get their name out there and so they need to say something crazy in
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1:05:22But I just can never figure out exactly how they reconcile that with looking like idiots
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1:08:23speaking of crying goodbyes you see Steve Ballmer I didn't yeah that's like
1:08:29the big I can't big annual watch that guy yeah it's kind of sad watching him
1:08:34go out he's really yeah that's not the way you want to go out it's really
1:08:39pretty ugly yeah he is not going out like Mariano Rivera no see a rumor I
1:08:47saw right at the top of his game I read it in Business Insider so and Lord only
1:08:51knows what I was doing on our website so it could be completely false but I saw
1:08:56that it said that a leading candidate to replace him is the guy who's the CEO of
1:09:00Ford Ford Motor Company yeah I heard that I don't know anything about the CEO
1:09:06of the Ford Motor Company but I will tell you it does not sound to me like he
1:09:09should be running Microsoft it doesn't sound to me like any like that sounds
1:09:12like going again Scully yeah you know I mean yeah it doesn't seem like that's
1:09:21gonna end well yeah it does not it is a it doesn't seem to and I know Ford is
1:09:26not like going under and I know that during the whole fiscal crisis that of
1:09:31the big three US automakers they were in far better shape you know didn't need a
1:09:35bailout like GM did or whatever and you know good for them but nobody really I
1:09:41can't think of any other do you thinks Wow Ford's really you know dominating
1:09:45the world of cars. So I don't know about that. And the CEO knows how to rescue a gigantic
1:09:55software company. Yeah, and I feel like if there's any kind of lesson, I mean, I don't
1:10:02know. I still think that a big part of the problem with Balmer as CEO is that the guy
1:10:07just never really got it. And I'm not saying you have to be Bill Gates who was literally
1:10:13a great programmer. You don't have to be a programmer to run Microsoft, you know,
1:10:19in the same way that you don't have to be an industrial designer to run Apple,
1:10:24right? Tim Cook is not a designer, but I do feel that Tim Cook fundamentally, when
1:10:29you listen to him, he understands what it is that Apple is supposed to be doing.
1:10:34And I don't think Balmer ever really got that with Microsoft, at least in the
1:10:38consumer space. I think Balmer's understanding of how and why Microsoft
1:10:44was successful is entirely revolved around the franchises he had inherited
1:10:50and around the enterprise market, which could be, you know, could be lucrative and
1:10:55maybe long-term that's the route that Microsoft goes, but I think the reason
1:10:58that he's being shown the door is because of their failures in the
1:11:01consumer space. Right. Yeah, I mean I don't think there's any question about that.
1:11:07And wasn't Ford the company that made a pretty big push into the Microsoft designed
1:11:13Software interface to their cars and it was you know shockingly terrible. I
1:11:19Don't know that sounds familiar, but I'm not sure I
1:11:24Just it seems like the kind of thing where you would have hoped that something they have somebody inside
1:11:32That they could promote. Yeah, that was kind of what I thought but I don't know but then I'd yeah
1:11:37I bet I don't know any anything about their bench
1:11:40Yeah
1:11:40and the other thing to me is if that's the route they were gonna go I would have thought that I
1:11:45Would think that maybe it wouldn't be we're gonna have a year-long transition. They would have said yeah
1:11:49No
1:11:50They would have done that quietly on the side and right done a done a little at the old switcheroo
1:11:55And I know that it's different circumstances than it was with Steve Jobs because you know
1:12:00We now know in hindsight that dirt, you know that that transition was he you know, he was at the end of the rope
1:12:06Health-wise he was dying
1:12:08Or at least failing
1:12:11But you know
1:12:13It is though like in terms of like a step-by-step process. It's how you do it
1:12:17You know like you you announce something but you say and here's the guy, you know, who's coming up
1:12:22mm-hmm
1:12:24Just seems yeah, I don't think they're gonna I don't think they're going to hire someone from inside
1:12:29Yeah, it doesn't look like it, which I just think it seems like a terrible I
1:12:33Can't really I cannot think of an instance where that's worked really well
1:12:38Yeah, I don't know maybe I mean I'm sure it happens all the time, and I'm maybe that's just a feeling of my
1:12:45How
1:12:48keyed in I am to that kind of thing but I
1:12:51would think in the software industry I would
1:12:56technology I would have heard of something like that, but it's just that the companies in the saw in the computer industry are to me
1:13:03So
1:13:06distinctive like the ones that get big and successful like
1:13:09Microsoft is nothing like Google and neither one of them is anything like Apple and they're none of those
1:13:14Companies or anything like Facebook, you know, and I just feel like it's you know, they have such strong
1:13:23Personalities, you know like what it is that makes a successful Microsoft product a Microsoft product. There's a feel to it
1:13:29You know it permeates everything they do both the design and the brand and just even what it's meant to do
1:13:36And I feel like I don't know bringing in the guy from Ford. I just don't doesn't seem like it's gonna help them at all
1:13:48Or what's how about Samsung coming out with a gold I've I found gold the galaxy
1:13:53Got anything on that no
1:13:57It's just a matter of time and they went with a real gold gold that's the one I didn't even know what joke to crack
1:14:05And it's plastic too, well, of course it is that was one of the I think that's one of the hard things
1:14:12And I think it you know, it's pretty hard to pull off in plastic. Yeah, I
1:14:18I think you just, yeah, you don't want to go there but...
1:14:22You know like when you first heard the rumors in like early August or whenever it was that
1:14:28it seemed like Apple might be, you know, the new 5s was gonna come in gold and everybody was like,
1:14:33"Ooh, it doesn't sound good." Yeah, no, it sounded terrible at first.
1:14:37As you sucked the air between your teeth and thought and cringed a little and crinkled your
1:14:42eyes and worried, that color of gold that you had in your mind, that's the color of
1:14:48gold that Samsung is going with.
1:14:51Dan: Now supposedly they had a gold phone prior to this, but it was a flip phone.
1:14:58Dave: Of course they did.
1:15:00I love the people who defend them.
1:15:01Dan.
1:15:02So they got there first, but in the all-important gold flip phone market.
1:15:10I do think that it's an interesting way going to gold. I don't think it's the only reason
1:15:18they went to gold. I think Apple made this gold iPhone because it looks good and a lot
1:15:21of people really like it. And I think people, you know, it's an interesting way to keep
1:15:25that same hardware design for two years as they've done for six years in a row and have
1:15:33something that's compatible with all the existing cases, etc., etc., and yet still make it look
1:15:38really know
1:15:39uh... but i can't help but think though that the fact that they make the iPhone
1:15:43out of metal
1:15:44you know is it making a gold is an interesting way to differentiate it from
1:15:49samsung's plastic
1:15:54you know to keep the the five s as a top-tier that the uh...
1:15:59that the other phones
1:16:00both from competitors
1:16:02and even with the five c from apple itself that they're you know
1:16:06they're a shelf below. Right. I was gonna go this time I was gonna go with the white
1:16:15if they had kept the same color scheme I was actually gonna get my first white iPhone.
1:16:19Cause I think the I actually think the white iPhone 5 looks better than the black one.
1:16:27But you went to space. Cause my wife my wife ended up getting a white 5. And you went space
1:16:30because but I got space great because I think that's something improves I mean
1:16:36the the banding around it is is nice yeah it's definitely it's definitely
1:16:41better than the black one from last year yeah do you agree like what I said last
1:16:45week or maybe it was down a little I forget if I'm stealing this or if I came
1:16:48up with it but uh it's my show so I think it's okay do you agree that's
1:16:53reminiscent of the original iPhone it's a darker it's a little darker than the
1:16:57metal in the original. Yeah, no I think it's, I think it's, oh the back, yeah, a little
1:17:02bit. Yeah, I'd say a little bit. I didn't really think about that, but I would say it's
1:17:08a little bit like that. It's a nice looking phone though. I could see them switching to
1:17:14make like Macbooks in this color. Oh yeah. It's been a long time since they've changed
1:17:21the color of Macbooks, you know? Right. I mean, I'm pulling this out of my ass, I mean,
1:17:27I don't have any kind of…
1:17:29That would throw the Ultrabook business into…
1:17:34Exactly.
1:17:35But I feel like, you know, I don't think Apple worries itself too much about other
1:17:38companies copying their designs.
1:17:40I mean, I'm sure it's annoying, but at the same time, it's got to be flattering
1:17:43because everybody knows, like, when all these other things come out that look so much like
1:17:46Mac books that it's, you know, it just emphasizes who's the market leader.
1:17:51But at a certain point, I feel like they're going to want to do something new.
1:17:54They can't just get this this same color forever, and I feel like this space gray would totally work. Yeah
1:18:00Even if it was only for like the MacBook Pro or something like that oh
1:18:05That would be back to the back to the black MacBook
1:18:09Extra $50 for space gray
1:18:13Wait what is that? Oh wait? Did they charge extra for that? Yeah? Yeah? I got that too
1:18:20I got that I didn't I end up liking it
1:18:24I switched from a power book was it called the Mac that was yet or was it still the was it still the eye?
1:18:30No, that was no as the MacBook and and they came out with a black one
1:18:34They were plastic and they came out with a black one and it did look better
1:18:37I thought and they charged an extra 50 bucks. Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't I wasn't gonna get the white one
1:18:43I just couldn't bring myself to get the white one
1:18:45But I switched from a power book to that and it wasn't I wasn't happy with that
1:18:50that the plastic wasn't, I mean, it was much better once they switched to unibody plastic,
1:18:55but the seams were annoying.
1:18:57I think that that's one of those cases where that's why some people hate Apple. Like, charging
1:19:04extra for the color.
1:19:06It is pretty bad.
1:19:08Is exactly, it is right, like, it's right teed up perfectly for, that is what makes
1:19:18people go crazy about Apple. Absolutely insane crazy.
1:19:24They didn't charge extra for gold. No. No. I think that they've kind of learned.
1:19:30There was some. I think there was some people were speculating about that
1:19:32before, you know, when it first came out. It's really hard to get it. I mean, I think
1:19:36it's nonsense. I can't. I'm not even gonna link to it, but I saw a story that
1:19:40somebody said that somebody sold a gold iPhone on eBay for $10,000. Oh yeah. Yeah.
1:19:45I mean that's crazy. I mean, you know, I can see selling it for double the price to some
1:19:49Moron who really has to just can't wait to get their hands on it, but not ten thousand dollars. That can't be true
1:19:55It has to be fake
1:19:56But I don't know. I read it on the internet. I wouldn't maybe asked I mean people bought that I am rich app
1:20:03So
1:20:08Somebody did, anyway.
1:20:12I wonder what the most that Apple could have gotten away charging for the gold iPhone is.
1:20:21I don't even want to speculate.
1:20:26Yeah, I don't know.
1:20:28Imagine if they did, if they charged like five grand for it, and all it is is gold anodized
1:20:33color.
1:20:34Just the gold.
1:20:35Yeah.
1:20:36I think you're gonna charge five grand.
1:20:38It should be real gold.
1:20:39Dave: Yeah, I wonder what the reception would be like on that.
1:20:42Tim Cynova Oh, yeah.
1:20:44Dave: It'd be heavy, too.
1:20:46Tim Cynova Certainly made for some great headlines.
1:20:49Dave People would buy it, though.
1:20:52Tim Cynova I'm sure somebody would.
1:20:56Dave Those Virtu phones are still...
1:20:57Virtu is still around, the company that sells like $5,000 leather cell phones.
1:21:05And they've switched to Android finally.
1:21:07They used to be like Symbian.
1:21:09Somebody took one apart and it really literally was inside the leather and jewel embellished
1:21:16case.
1:21:17It was like a $40 Nokia Symbian phone.
1:21:23Somebody would buy it.
1:21:24I mean, that's what...
1:21:25I mean...
1:21:26**BEN HONG:** That's what people claim iPhones are too, though.
1:21:28**REZ CABRERA:** Yeah, that's what they claim.
1:21:29But you know, Virtu really...
1:21:30**BEN HONG:** I mean, it only costs $200 to make.
1:21:32And they say that it's like a concierge service.
1:21:36Like there's a button you can hit and you know, talk to it.
1:21:39If you have a Virtu phone, you have like a button and you can get like a Virtu concierge
1:21:43and say, "Hey, I'm in Seattle tonight.
1:21:47Can I get a dinner reservation at like a good Italian restaurant?"
1:21:52And then somehow they take care of it or something.
1:21:53I don't know if it works well or whatever.
1:21:56But it seems to me like, you know, there are other ways to get somebody to make a hotel
1:22:00reservation or restaurant reservation for you than to buy a $4,000 Symbian phone.
1:22:05Tim Cynova You could get a free,
1:22:07get the one, what is it, one table app for free.
1:22:11Eric Meyer Yeah, it does, you know,
1:22:13seems like there's a better way. Tim Cynova
1:22:18So, oh, so Amy's got the gold one. Eric Meyer
1:22:22Yeah, and I still have the, I have to send it back. I got to send back my review unit.
1:22:26Tim Cynova Oh, they gave you a gold,
1:22:28They gave me a gold review unit and a pink 5C.
1:22:33You know what? People laugh about that.
1:22:35There's lots of tweets like that.
1:22:36Everybody loved that Apple gave me the pink one.
1:22:40I don't think-- it's not a jokey joke pink.
1:22:43It's not like a little--
1:22:44No, it's really not.
1:22:44Yeah.
1:22:45It's not a little girl's pink.
1:22:48It really isn't.
1:22:49I mean, I could see that there would be--
1:22:53well, I don't know.
1:22:54It's pink.
1:22:55but it's not it's not as ridiculous as it sounds yeah it's it's all it's more
1:22:59like a salmon rose yeah something like that it's not exist it's not pink pink
1:23:04yeah I guess that's the other question well you know again Apple is never going
1:23:09to tell us but we're gonna have to like eyeball it you know as we just observe
1:23:13people but I'm curious to see which colors are the most popular how that how
1:23:17they're distributed the greens pretty cool I would I would have suspected the
1:23:22blue but I think the greens gonna be popular yeah it really stands out and I
1:23:30don't know if it's just a coincidence or not but a lot of the ads I've seen so
1:23:35far are the green yeah so I don't know yeah green is it looks pretty good and I
1:23:43think wasn't trying to remember which ones were the ones that sold out yellow
1:23:48yellow apparently sold out first. Yeah. But who knows? Yeah, maybe yellow and green, because I thought green was one of them though.
1:23:53But you have no way of knowing whether it's because they made the same number of all and yellow sold out first, or if Apple thought,
1:23:59"I don't know about this yellow. We're going to make fewer of them," and then they sold out. Yeah.
1:24:03So you don't know. I mean, and Apple's never going to tell you.
1:24:09Blackberry reported their revenue. It's getting ugly.
1:24:15ugly it's not good when it's gonna happen with them I guess there's some
1:24:22crazy guy who's gonna buy the company apparently yeah which is I guess taking
1:24:29it is that taking a prior they're taking it private then yeah I guess I just feel
1:24:33like you know like he's gonna it's like you know come down off off the like week
1:24:38long bender he's on and it wakes up he's gonna go I did what I bought what
1:24:44And there was a rumor that what's-his-name was trying to buy it.
1:24:49Lazardius or whatever his name is.
1:24:51Lazardius.
1:24:52Lazardius.
1:24:53Mike Lazardius.
1:24:54Whatever his name is.
1:24:56That would have been bad.
1:24:57I like my joke on that where it was, you know, that his pitch to the investors is the other
1:25:03guy was the problem.
1:25:07New candles?
1:25:11New candles? What else we got?
1:25:13I don't know. Where do they go?
1:25:17I don't know. It seems like the point where they should have...
1:25:21Like where Nokia is now. Nokia is like, they still have their pride.
1:25:25They maybe could still stand alone, but they're selling now. Like the time for
1:25:29RIM or BlackBerry was like two or three years ago. They kind of needed
1:25:33to sell the company like two years ago.
1:25:37And now it's like nobody I don't think anybody knows what to do with them before they did that whole thing with the playbook
1:25:43Yeah
1:25:45embarrass themselves, yeah
1:25:47About the new Kindles
1:25:51There's a really look into that that much what other than hearing about the
1:25:56May Day service. Yeah
1:25:58They look good. It's kind of a weird thing though, like where they didn't do an event
1:26:03But they organized, you know, they had some like that big a deal
1:26:07Yeah, and they had some you know, but they did have some embargoed
1:26:10Reviewers and they you know a couple of interviews conducted in advance, but then they had the embargo lift at midnight
1:26:17I forget if it was midnight Pacific or midnight Eastern but either way kind of a weird time to lift an embargo
1:26:22Like when a lot of people are in bed
1:26:25Just seems weird
1:26:27I guess that the strategy is then people wake up in the morning and it's still at the top of the news because nothing else
1:26:31happened overnight, but
1:26:33Just seemed a little weird
1:26:36They look good, but I don't know it. I don't know, you know, I
1:26:39Don't see many I you know, they've been out for a while I don't see very many Kindle fires out there in the wild
1:26:47And the ones I do see tend to be the this
1:26:51You know the small one like the one that people I think people have bought like, you know
1:26:56My guess is that they are you know, pretty much bought just to have a Kindle ebook reader that's in color
1:27:04Right, which is a totally credible product. I'm not even I'm not disparaging it
1:27:08But it you know the ones I've seen over the years have tended to be the small one and it's people on airplanes
1:27:14Using them to read books. I
1:27:17Assume that they're books who knows what they're reading
1:27:19We see it we see more out here obviously we I think we talked about this once before but you know when I used to commute
1:27:30up to Seattle
1:27:33Yeah, I'd see a lot of them on the train.
1:27:35Do you see more window tablets? Because some of those people were...
1:27:39I've seen a few, not a lot though. I mean they haven't sold very many. It's pretty hard to...
1:27:51I sold... Yeah, I definitely see more, definitely see more Kindles.
1:27:56I mean on the train when I was commuting, I would see a fair number of them.
1:28:01But I mean, like I said, some of those people were probably going to Amazon.
1:28:04And…
1:28:04I saw somebody at the airport when I was coming home from Portland last week who was
1:28:10right out of a Windows commercial, a Windows tablet commercial. She was using hers on her lap
1:28:15at the airport with the keyboard and typing away at a pace where I have to admit I could never
1:28:23achieve on an iPad personally. You know, it seemed to me like she would, you know, maybe she bought
1:28:29the right tablet. I don't know. But I hadn't seen it. I don't see many, many Windows ones
1:28:34at all. It almost seems like the announcements are half-hearted. I'm not saying that Kindle
1:28:42and Windows have given up on competing against the iPad. But the Kindle won this week. No
1:28:52event came at midnight you know it hasn't made that big a splash when
1:28:57Microsoft had the next-gen surface announcement you know seemed like the
1:29:02guy was half asleep up there it's like yeah we're not giving up we're doing
1:29:09another one we know you're not gonna buy it am i wrong and my name I am I am I
1:29:15reading it wrong that's how I felt to me I don't know I mean it's gotta be a hard
1:29:19hard thing to do yeah let's spend all year making this thing that we know we
1:29:25really kind of know people aren't gonna buy they switched the ads you saw the
1:29:30ads are now more product centric than the they got rid of the dancing hmm
1:29:36which is definitely an improvement they're still not great ads but they're
1:29:39but they're much better than the ones they had originally yeah wonder how much
1:29:46are going to spend on it. I saw that there was a story...
1:29:54A billion dollars already in write-off. There was a story that Motorola was going
1:29:58to spend $500 million on an ad campaign for the Moto X, which is a lot of money. I think
1:30:04they said that Apple's budget in the US for ads is like a billion a year or something
1:30:09like that. But $500 million is roughly in the ballpark. It's not Samsung money. Samsung
1:30:16Samsung spends like $10, $11 billion a year on advertising. It'll be interesting to see
1:30:24how that goes. I can't remember the last time I saw a Motorola campaign. They seem to have
1:30:30given up.
1:30:31Yeah, I haven't seen one either. I don't listen to the radio anymore, but every once in a
1:30:36while my wife listens to the radio and I frequently hear a Samsung ad.
1:30:41Hmm. No, they spend the most. I mean, they outspend Apple like 10 to 1. I think Horace
1:30:46DeGioia was the first guy to kind of point that out. And that it's, you know, arguably,
1:30:52you know, nobody ever, famously, nobody ever really knows how to measure the effectiveness
1:30:56of advertising. But it does seem, though, that they've spent so much money on advertising
1:31:06that competitors like HTC have, they can't keep up because HTC can't spend that kind
1:31:12of money because they don't have it.
1:31:13Right.
1:31:14They don't have it.
1:31:15And they also run the gamut of outlets too, it seems like.
1:31:21Right.
1:31:22They have TV ads.
1:31:23They've got stuff in the newspaper.
1:31:25They've got stuff on the radio, whereas Apple just does, well, I mean, I guess they
1:31:32do magazine ads too.
1:31:33Yeah, Apple certainly does a lot.
1:31:35I've seen one in the newspaper. Probably like a big, like a, you know, like a New York Times.
1:31:40But I don't think they don't, they don't do radio. I don't think.
1:31:47Yeah. The May Day thing, I guess that's the most interesting thing of all the other tablets
1:31:51that was announced this week. This feature where all, all your new Kindle tablets come
1:31:55with a one-button feature. You hit it and their goal is that within 15 seconds or less,
1:32:01you get a video chat with a customer support rep.
1:32:05And you can see them and hear them, and they can hear you,
1:32:09but they don't see you.
1:32:10All they see is your screen.
1:32:13And then they can draw on your screen
1:32:15to show you how to do stuff, or they can remotely take control.
1:32:18It sounds fantastic for people who
1:32:24are nervous about technology.
1:32:26It just does not sound to me like something that can scale,
1:32:30given the way that no matter what company i call first
1:32:34for support
1:32:36if it's just a good old-fashioned phone call i can't get on the phone with
1:32:39somebody sooner than three minutes
1:32:42so i don't know
1:32:45it is though to me a typical jeff days those feature where it is it does sound
1:32:49crazy
1:32:52and it is about making customers happy which i have to say is you know
1:32:56certainly one of the
1:32:57you know the best things about amazon as a company
1:32:59say what you want about their pricing and stuff like that
1:33:02and what they do to markets that they enter.
1:33:05But in terms of that they want their customers to be happy,
1:33:08that's always been the case.
1:33:10But for example, I don't think Apple,
1:33:15I don't even think, even if Apple wanted to dip
1:33:17as far into its cash reserves as possible,
1:33:19I don't know that they could technically
1:33:22offer that feature for the iPad.
1:33:24- Right.
1:33:26- They just sell too many.
1:33:27I mean, where would you even find enough people
1:33:31to answer the phone?
1:33:32- Yeah, and I was just thinking,
1:33:34that's what I was just thinking about,
1:33:35I was wondering if those people,
1:33:36where those people are, if they're out here or...
1:33:40I'd heard, I'd read some stories about
1:33:44some of the support stuff that a lot of these companies
1:33:47had shipped overseas years ago coming back
1:33:51just because the economy had gotten to the point
1:33:53where it was so bad here that they could afford
1:33:54to bring some of it back.
1:33:56But I don't know, I mean I still think that was a relatively small percentage.
1:34:04Like my wife, she had a problem with, she's got a fax printer copy machine thing and she had a problem with it.
1:34:11She called to get technical support in that and that went to India.
1:34:17So I still think that a lot, I mean the percentage that came back from what went over is not that great.
1:34:24great. I had a problem with my cable TV from the wonderful Comcast company this
1:34:31week where did we just stopped getting anything other than like three channels
1:34:36we just got like the local ABC, NBC, CBS affiliates and you know we were supposed
1:34:42to get I don't know 800 channels and so I had to call them and this is a perfect
1:34:46example I mean it was like you know it wasn't a horrible experience but I was
1:34:50on the phone for 15 minutes all told I mean it was at least three or four
1:34:54minutes before I got through the automated part where I had to answer stupid questions
1:34:58and then finally get connected to a person. And when I got connected to a person, pretty
1:35:03sure she was not in the United States. I mean, she was very nice, but she was, you know,
1:35:07we had a little bit of a communication problem in terms of understanding accents, I think.
1:35:13She was very nice. And, you know, I don't know, it had been a while since I'd called
1:35:19Comcast for any reason but and she didn't ask what she says she goes is it
1:35:23okay if I call you by your first name sir I was like yeah sure I was like why
1:35:28would you ask that but you know see it was she was over bend over backwards you
1:35:31know to be nice but apparently all she had to do is like hit a button and quote
1:35:35send a signal to to our the cable cards in the back of our TV and then they just
1:35:40suddenly worked again like it it did not seem like I should have been on the
1:35:45phone 15 and 20 minutes. It was a very long time for something that, you know, and she said, "I'm
1:35:51sending the signal now. Can you get these channels?" And, you know, after she said those words that I
1:35:57started getting those channels. It was instantaneous, but I don't know why it took so long before she
1:36:01decided to send the signal. Or why they just don't send that signal all the time. Right, exactly. Why
1:36:10not send it all the time. Just keep sending the signal. That's a premium service. You
1:36:16have to pay extra for that. Well, and I should say I'm not naive. I understand why it takes
1:36:20so long. It's because it costs so much less to hire people in other countries like, say,
1:36:26India. And you'd only hire a few of them and you make it harder to actually get one
1:36:31on the phone and you do all these things. But I'm saying, it just seems like if you're
1:36:39I'm kind of surprised that both AT&T and Verizon, at least in my experience, use domestic call
1:36:46centers.
1:36:47I wonder why that is.
1:36:48Yeah, I mean, it seems like they would have to employ a lot of people.
1:36:51Yeah, it seems like you'd have a lot of cost on them.
1:36:53Because they've got so many people across the country on both of those networks.
1:36:57Yeah, I don't know.
1:36:58Every time I talk to somebody, well, I don't call at 3 o'clock in the morning, but maybe
1:37:03that's what they do.
1:37:04Is it possible that they're not going to be able to do that?
1:37:06but maybe that's what they do.
1:37:08Is it possible that they're union companies?
1:37:11Like somehow inherited from the old Ma Bell?
1:37:15Yeah, right.
1:37:17Bell.
1:37:18That's a good question.
1:37:22I saw an interview.
1:37:23Did you see the thing that was linked up?
1:37:24It was like, "What if the iPhone were a standalone business?
1:37:27How big would it be?"
1:37:28It would be like the 17th biggest company in the Fortune 500.
1:37:31I thought it was interesting that in that list, still in the top 10,
1:37:36by revenue, both AT&T and Verizon.
1:37:39And I know that Verizon is not just Verizon wireless.
1:37:42And in fact, Verizon wireless, which is what all of us think of when we think
1:37:46of Verizon, is co-owned between Verizon and T-Mobile in Europe,
1:37:51and that Verizon is buying the other half of it out from T-Mobile for,
1:37:55I don't know, like $20 billion.
1:37:57It's huge.
1:37:58Oh, that's right.
1:37:58Yeah, I saw that.
1:38:01But still, fundamentally, there are two halves of the same phone--
1:38:05what was once when we were kids-- the same phone company.
1:38:08Imagine if they hadn't been broken up, how big AT&T would be.
1:38:13It's interesting to me that they got split up.
1:38:19And then they were split up into a bunch of parts.
1:38:22And then somehow, like that liquid metal Terminator,
1:38:27they all sort of came back together.
1:38:29And they still haven't combined into one.
1:38:31And you know that it would never get approved.
1:38:33An AT&T Verizon merger would never get approved.
1:38:36No.
1:38:39Because AT&T tried to buy-- was it Sprint or T-Mobile?
1:38:43T-Mobile?
1:38:45AT&T tried to buy one of them, and it got shot.
1:38:47Yeah, and even that got shot down.
1:38:50There's no chance.
1:38:51But you know that they kind of want to.
1:38:54Oh, yeah.
1:38:57They're only being held apart by federal regulators. It's exactly, it's like two parts of a
1:39:04terminator that just desperately want to recombine because all they can think of is,
1:39:08"Oh my God, if we could combine, imagine how much we could charge people per month for their
1:39:12cell phones." I think my bill went down. I still got to wait for the first
1:39:21payment to come through, but it seems like from what they were saying,
1:39:25Oh, wait. The best part, I can't wait till you get it. You got to let me know when you
1:39:29get your final bill from AT&T.
1:39:33That's not going to be good.
1:39:34Because I, you know what, I remember last year, it was last year when I switched to
1:39:37Verizon and it was, it took a while. It was like five weeks later. So I had kind of forgotten
1:39:41about it. And I kind of done the math in my head and knew it was going to be expensive.
1:39:44And all of a sudden, at like midday, and I guess the mail came, I hear Amy downstairs,
1:39:48"John!"
1:39:49What did you do?
1:39:51What did you do?
1:39:52And I was like, "What?"
1:39:55It was a lot.
1:39:56It was big.
1:39:57Yeah.
1:39:58Yeah, you don't want to mess with those guys.
1:40:01It is in terms of what a corporation can do to you.
1:40:05And I know, I guess I shouldn't complain.
1:40:07I knew that I had a two-year contract or whatever.
1:40:10But it is effectively a legal way for AT&T, when you break off your relationship with
1:40:16them to just mail you a box of feces here you go here is a massive bill for a
1:40:25service that you haven't used for five you've already been gone for five weeks
1:40:31it's it's really is awful it's you can't you can't buy an off con not an off
1:40:39contract you can't what's the term I'm looking for you can't just pay out right
1:40:43for a Verizon phone, can you? No, I don't think... A Verizon iPhone. No, they won't
1:40:46let you. You can do that on AT&T though, right? I think so, yes. Yeah, which is weird. I don't
1:40:52know why one of them does that but the other one doesn't. I think because Verizon is like
1:40:59a little bit less nickel and dimey but a little bit more control freaky. Yeah. And it's the
1:41:05same way that they don't use SIM cards. I mean, they do, but it's only for International
1:41:09roaming that you don't have a SIM card from Verizon. It's like somehow your identifier
1:41:16is built into the phone hardware. I think that's the reason they stick with that is
1:41:22it gives them more control over the devices on their network. That's it. I ran down
1:41:29my list for the week. You got anything else?
1:41:31No, I think we… oh, the only other thing was the iOS 7 motion sickness.
1:41:39Oh, well, that's good. We could do that. That's a good way to close the show, make
1:41:42people sick. I think that's pretty interesting. So the idea here is that there's a lot of
1:41:50people who now that they've upgraded to iOS 7, that the extra motion in it, the zooming
1:41:55in and out, the parallax effect, is making some people who are susceptible to parallax
1:42:01of motion sickness, it's triggering it and they're feeling nauseous, nauseated.
1:42:07And I've gotten that sort of fake, there's that Star Wars ride, I don't know if they
1:42:12still have it, but there's a Star Wars ride at Disney World where you go into a box and
1:42:16they basically just shake the box around to simulate flying around in an X-wing or something
1:42:22like that.
1:42:23That made me sick because you're not really flying, obviously.
1:42:28It's not like, I mean, I can do a roller coaster no problem because you're really moving, but
1:42:31That thing actually, walking out of that,
1:42:33I thought I was gonna yak.
1:42:35I don't have that problem with iOS 7 though.
1:42:39- Right.
1:42:40It seems to me like, I think I sympathize
1:42:44with everybody who's affected.
1:42:45And I've seen a lot of stuff online.
1:42:47I mean, you read the comments, and it's like,
1:42:50people are so stupid.
1:42:51There's people who, obviously,
1:42:52are clearly not affected by this.
1:42:55Their response to some of these articles is,
1:42:58well, then these people should buy a different phone.
1:43:00Now that's pretty… you're not really thinking this through. This is a fixable problem.
1:43:07The answer… nobody is asking for Apple to take all these, if you like them, and I like
1:43:12a lot of them, if you like these cool effects and transitions. They're not saying that
1:43:15they should take them out. They just want a way to turn them off.
1:43:20And Apple already has some of that. You can turn off the parallax, but there's some
1:43:23of the zooming effects, like when you go back to the home screen from an app and the icons
1:43:28fly in. You know, I think people want that turned off.
1:43:31Right.
1:43:32Because I do sympathize. I would, because I love the iPhone and I'm on the iPhone all
1:43:38the time, it would be, I would feel like Alex in the Clockwork Orange if using my iPhone
1:43:42made me nauseated. I'm like compelled to do this thing that makes me want to throw up.
1:43:51Beethoven playing in the background.
1:43:53I can't stop checking Twitter and my email on my phone, but now I keep retching.
1:43:57[laughs]
1:44:01And it might be better, it might make it better on the
1:44:05iPhone 4, too. Because it's a little difficult on the 4.
1:44:09I've heard mixed comments from my readers, and it's
1:44:13a very fun way, like having big readership
1:44:17during Fireball and not having comments and people just email me. It's a fun way to
1:44:21sort of get a survey. I've gotten email from people who are like, "I upgraded on my 4,
1:44:28and I can't believe—I was really worried about it because I saw all these people saying
1:44:31it was going to be slow. I think it's great." And then I got email from other people who
1:44:34are like, "Wow, I upgraded to 7 on my 4 and really regret it."
1:44:38Tim Cynova Yeah, I'm kind of in the middle of the road
1:44:42on it. I mean, I probably would do it just to get the extra features. I mean, I've got
1:44:46That was the first thing that I tested it on was an old 4 and then I went to a 4S and
1:44:53finally the 5 but it's...
1:44:57Some of it's a little difficult I think.
1:44:59Sure takes a while to boot up to.
1:45:04What about on the iPad?
1:45:05Do you have it on your iPad?
1:45:06I just put it on the iPad last night.
1:45:07I've got a third generation iPad and when I first upgraded to it I was like, "Oh my
1:45:14my god I should not have done this. But it's gotten, it's actually seems to have stabilized
1:45:20a little. I'm not sure exactly what was going on in the background, but it seems to be better.
1:45:25And I really like the parallax on a bigger screen.
1:45:27Yeah. It's much more noticeable, it's more fun,
1:45:30I think. I mean it's one of those stupid eye candy things that doesn't really give you
1:45:40a lot, but I think it's pretty cool. Yeah, I'm in the middle of the road on it.
1:45:44I stick with what I thought a month ago, which was that I thought that, you know, all summer
1:45:50long using the betas that on the iPad it was about a month behind the iPhone.
1:45:56Like when the iPhone got to a certain point in quality about a month later, iOS 7 on the
1:46:00iPad reached that point.
1:46:01And so I expected that they were going to release it just for the iPhone at first to
1:46:06coincide with the new iPhone event two weeks ago.
1:46:09And then in a month later, next month, October, when they do the iPad, then they'll release
1:46:14Iowa 7 for iPad. And I, you know, I'm not saying should is maybe a strong word, but
1:46:19I still think if they had done that it would probably be in better shape. And I would not
1:46:23be surprised at all if when the new iPads come in a couple of weeks that it were up
1:46:28to like, let's, I don't know if it's going to be 7.1 or just 7.0.4 or something, but
1:46:35some update that isn't even out yet where it's, you know, smoothed out. Because I noticed
1:46:39There's some things like where I'm switching just between mail and Safari because I'm
1:46:44reading messages where I've linked links and I'm opening them in Safari.
1:46:48Sometimes it's real smooth and then sometimes when I switch, it is like three, four, five
1:46:53seconds before the other app loads and I can't even hit the – even hitting the home button,
1:46:58it's whatever is going on there behind the scenes, the whole system is jammed up and
1:47:02I don't see that on the phone.
1:47:04I tried to switch the background of the wallpaper and I just like I wasn't getting any response whatsoever
1:47:10Yeah, you know I only switched it and it seemed like it was alright. Yeah
1:47:14David Barnard, I saw it posted a
1:47:18Vine and was it vine at six limited to six seconds
1:47:23I think so yeah
1:47:26So you have a limit of six seconds and the time it takes to change your wallpaper was longer than a vine
1:47:32So like you guys talked about this last week. Yeah, and I thought that was pretty telling so yeah
1:47:37But still it was but I also got to the point using it on my phone where going back to i/o six was
1:47:45Was jarring in its own way
1:47:48So, you know picking up my iPad and seeing i/o six was like yeah, I don't I don't like this anymore
1:47:55Yeah, I've moved on
1:47:58Emotionally and I need to be on it on all my devices. Yeah, I don't know and part of it
1:48:03I think is that you said that the
1:48:05That the parallax seems more noticeable on the bigger screen
1:48:09I think yeah, so definitely it really makes to me the home screen on an un-updated iPad feel static
1:48:15It just feels like there's no life to it
1:48:18Yeah, all right, I
1:48:21See what you mean. I wrap it up. I'll see what you mean here about the Samsung's history of gold flip phones
1:48:27It's actually from Samsung themselves
1:48:29It's a Samsung blog. Oh, is that right? Yeah, Samsung tomorrow
1:48:35I'll post this to the show notes. It's the golden history of Samsung phones and editorial from Samsung
1:48:42So that it's interesting that it comes from Samsung because it's
1:48:48It you know, it's like I wonder why they posted this
1:48:52Yeah, why would you why they would do that?
1:48:56Why would you see the need to defend your decision to put out a new gold phone?
1:49:00All right, John moltz, thank you for joining the show. Thank you