The Talk Show

54: Green iPhone 5C Hidden In A Beard


00:00:00   All right, what a crazy day. It's we are recording on Wednesday. What the hell day is it September

00:00:05   18. So it's iOS seven day, as well as the day after all the the embargo lifted on the iPhone

00:00:16   five s and five C reviews and joining me today. I think for the first time is this the first time

00:00:21   you've been on the talk show first time? Jim Dalrymple? Hey, don't john. I'm doing good.

00:00:29   And you know, you pointed out, we were both at the Apple shindig last week and saw each

00:00:36   other like mid-event, like while they were talking.

00:00:39   So we just waved and literally did not say a word to each other.

00:00:42   I think for the first time ever.

00:00:44   It just was, it was so crowded.

00:00:48   It was like if you didn't, if you weren't already standing next to somebody, you had

00:00:51   no chance to just wander over and say hi to the people you know.

00:00:54   Well, it's funny you mentioned on the phone that Ohm Malek and I were sitting like right

00:01:00   across the aisle from each other and we didn't see each other.

00:01:04   Because I blend in pretty well.

00:01:06   Camouflage.

00:01:08   Yeah, it was a good event though.

00:01:14   I know you don't like them at the campus as much, but I do.

00:01:20   I like those ones.

00:01:22   I don't have any kind of phobia or anxiety disorder or anything

00:01:28   like that.

00:01:29   But just in general, I just don't like crowds.

00:01:33   I don't like being elbow to elbow with people.

00:01:39   And I'll just give you an example.

00:01:40   So I'm not a big concert goer.

00:01:42   I do go to concerts.

00:01:43   But I have to really like the band to go to a concert,

00:01:47   because I just don't like being that crowd.

00:01:50   And that's what, when they're on the Apple's campus,

00:01:54   the event is, it's just packed.

00:01:56   I mean, they invite far fewer people, but even so,

00:02:01   it just isn't meant for that.

00:02:04   - That's true.

00:02:06   You know, I don't go to concerts that much either,

00:02:08   but you wait until your son gets older,

00:02:10   then you'll be going.

00:02:11   - Amy'll take him.

00:02:14   (laughing)

00:02:17   He might have to invite down Uncle Jim to take him to the metal shows or something.

00:02:23   And you know what? And honestly, if there is any kind of trouble at a concert, Amy would

00:02:27   be better anyway.

00:02:28   Well, there you go. Well, I wouldn't mess with her. I'll tell you that. No way.

00:02:36   So I am interested. I think we're years away, obviously, and they haven't even broken ground.

00:02:41   But I think that when the new campus, the spaceship arrives, we already know from the

00:02:46   plans that have come out that part of the spaceship is is a compared to the town hall

00:02:52   they have now massive amphitheater where I would expect they're going to have all of

00:02:58   their future Apple events and I you know that that should be different because I think that

00:03:02   it's going to be built with the kind of crowds they draw in mind.

00:03:07   Well and it makes a lot of sense I mean you know Apple pulled out of all the trade shows

00:03:12   years ago because they wanted to do their own

00:03:14   types of events.

00:03:15   And you know, the first event I think that they

00:03:18   really held was, was either the iPod or the

00:03:22   MacBook, you know, the original white MacBook

00:03:25   when they had all those schools that, well, the

00:03:29   one big school that, that took it and then others

00:03:31   came on later.

00:03:32   But I think that they really saw the chance to

00:03:37   to control the environment.

00:03:39   Yeah.

00:03:40   you know and uh... they don't need to go to moscone i mean moscone west when you

00:03:44   go to an event there it holds thousands of people

00:03:48   you know and sometimes i i think that they

00:03:51   they want more control over

00:03:53   what they're putting out and and how that information is

00:03:56   going around the internet

00:03:58   i like the events at the yerba buena center i think that's a really nice

00:04:02   facility i think it's a nice stage i mean it was great last year when the

00:04:06   foo fighters were there it sounded fantastic

00:04:10   And I kind of like seeing Apple out of the isolated nature of their own campus.

00:04:19   Like, I vaguely worry—well, you and I talked about this on the phone, but, you know, I

00:04:23   might as well say it here—but I vaguely worry that come the future Spaceship Campus,

00:04:30   that we're literally not going to see Apple anywhere outside their own—the enclave of

00:04:37   of their own campus except WWDC.

00:04:40   - Right.

00:04:41   - And I don't think that's healthy.

00:04:43   I'm not sure.

00:04:43   I'm not sure why though.

00:04:44   - And who knows?

00:04:46   This thing is gonna be huge.

00:04:48   Who knows what we could see for WWDC?

00:04:50   - Right, I've thought of that too.

00:04:51   It doesn't seem practical to me

00:04:53   that they would build into their campus facilities

00:04:56   for a four or 5,000 person campus, or I mean conference,

00:04:59   but I don't know, who knows?

00:05:01   The thing's gonna be huge.

00:05:02   - Yeah.

00:05:03   I mean, maybe at that point they can expand it.

00:05:07   You know, and part of the reason that they can't

00:05:12   expand it right now is because they just don't

00:05:14   have the resources.

00:05:15   I mean, you can only have so many engineers,

00:05:17   but by that time, with that size campus,

00:05:20   I mean, down in Cupertino last week,

00:05:23   you know, I went to see some friends that didn't

00:05:26   even work at Apple driving through Cupertino.

00:05:29   Every building down there is Apple.

00:05:31   Yeah.

00:05:31   You know, they're so spread out.

00:05:33   I mean, some of the buildings are miles away.

00:05:35   - Yeah.

00:05:36   - There they are.

00:05:39   - You know, it's true, and I know a lot of people,

00:05:42   I mean, I'm guessing most people out there

00:05:45   listening to the show have never stepped foot

00:05:46   on Apple's campus because it's out of the way.

00:05:49   But I know a lot of people who are fans of the company,

00:05:51   if they're in the area, they'll make a pilgrimage,

00:05:54   they'll stop in, there is a company store

00:05:56   that people can go to.

00:05:58   It's like, I think the only place

00:05:59   where you can actually buy Apple T-shirts,

00:06:02   You know famously they don't sell they don't sell Apple t-shirts and Apple retail stores

00:06:07   And so people go and do that, but one thing you're struck by and it's you know

00:06:13   Knowing how big Apple has gotten you know that they're the you know

00:06:16   Biggest by market cap company in the world or second X on or whatever the the actual official

00:06:22   One infinite loop campus is relatively small by them by their current standards and it's like you said and you think like well

00:06:29   can, given how big Apple's gotten, how can they really still be in these buildings? And you're

00:06:33   exactly right. They're spread all over Cupertino right now.

00:06:36   Yeah. And it's no exaggeration when you look at how far and wide those buildings are. I mean,

00:06:46   and some of them, what's funny is that they came from companies like HP and other large companies

00:06:53   that gave up those buildings and Apple snaps them up and you know they put hundreds of

00:06:59   people in them.

00:07:00   And the land for the new campus was from HP too.

00:07:04   Yeah.

00:07:05   Yeah.

00:07:06   Yeah, I think truth be told and you know some of this growth came so quickly but and it's

00:07:10   hard I mean it's hard to build a massive spaceship.

00:07:16   I mean it really is it's like a skyscraper that you know you lay down on the ground and

00:07:22   form a donut out of. I mean, but it's, you know, it's as big or bigger than like a massive

00:07:28   Manhattan skyscraper in terms of, you know, floor space.

00:07:32   Yeah.

00:07:33   You know, and that doesn't happen overnight, obviously. But it's overdue. I mean, the company

00:07:37   is bursting at the seams on campus.

00:07:40   Well, and it's going to be good for them. I mean, I've seen people walking out of One

00:07:47   infinite loop to go to a meeting they hop in their car and you know drive across town

00:07:52   yeah just just for a meeting I mean you know having everybody in in one central place is

00:07:57   going to be good for for the whole company because then you'll have you know these the

00:08:02   meetings that they have the design meetings I mean you know people aren't gonna they're

00:08:06   not gonna be put out by doing this you just kind of stop by I just worry though that in

00:08:11   terms of like public relations that it's too it's gonna be too isolating for them I mean

00:08:15   people often make the joke that Apple is sort of like Willy Wonka, you know, that they're

00:08:21   secretive and they, you know, every once in a while come out with these amazing things.

00:08:25   But there's, you know, there's that aspect of Willy Wonka too where he, you know, he

00:08:29   secluded himself in the factory and closed the gates and got real weird, you know.

00:08:34   Yeah, that's true.

00:08:35   You know, and Apple employees are, they do go to conferences, you know, they go to CES,

00:08:41   They go to all sorts of conferences.

00:08:43   They just don't go and speak publicly.

00:08:46   They're just there and you kind of have to look

00:08:48   at their name badge to find out they're there.

00:08:50   I just worry about that, that long term,

00:08:54   it's that they're too isolated as a company.

00:08:57   - I don't know.

00:09:00   It's gonna be an interesting thing to see.

00:09:05   Once they start moving everything in there,

00:09:10   if they start closing off,

00:09:13   I don't know if they would close off like that.

00:09:16   I mean, the only thing that they're doing

00:09:18   is pulling their employees all together.

00:09:22   - Yeah.

00:09:23   - You know, and all the resources that they have

00:09:24   and putting those all together.

00:09:26   - Yeah, I would say it's two different things.

00:09:27   I think for day-to-day operations,

00:09:29   it's gonna be a huge win, no doubt about it.

00:09:31   And I think, you know, almost like the,

00:09:33   well, I don't even think it's a coincidence.

00:09:36   I don't think it's, I think it's the opposite.

00:09:38   I think it's by design that like Pixar's campus

00:09:40   where they purposefully designed it with this atrium where everybody would have to – central

00:09:45   atrium where no matter what your job was, you'd kind of have to run into other people,

00:09:49   that it would be good if the people who were working on the ray tracer software would just

00:09:55   by coincidence run into the story team and they'd meet and maybe become friends and,

00:10:00   you know, and that good ideas can come out of accidental meetings. I think there'd

00:10:04   be a lot more of that sort of stuff.

00:10:06   stuff. I'm saying no from a public relations standpoint for events that it's, and conferences

00:10:12   and stuff. It's worrisome to me that maybe we'll never see them outside of their own campus.

00:10:18   Ted: Yeah, and that could very well happen considering the scope of what they're building.

00:10:23   Justin: And just, you know, what we know about how much control they like to have over stuff.

00:10:28   Ted; Yeah. Well, I mean, they have control over stuff now, and, you know, things are still leaking.

00:10:34   Yeah, you know so

00:10:36   Tim said what last year that they were gonna double up on security

00:10:42   Secrecy seekers, but yet here they are

00:10:45   Yeah, you know I've gotten a lot of questions about that

00:10:48   Why in this week, and that's a that's as good a place to start as any is

00:10:53   For the most part I would say the only thing that maybe was a surprise was that that the that the 5s went to

00:11:02   64-bit

00:11:04   Yeah

00:11:06   Let's I don't not even sure what to think about that but

00:11:10   the bottom line though, is that the the stuff that leaked I

00:11:14   Think all of it just about all of it came from the Asia supply chain and

00:11:21   I don't know that there's anything Apple can do about that

00:11:27   That's it's so tough, you know, despite the fact that that a lot of this stuff leaked from the Asian supply chain

00:11:34   Most of the analysts were still wrong. Oh the analysts were definitely it's you know, who's right? It's the people who literally

00:11:42   Pay off factory employees to sneak out

00:11:47   Components right right. I mean like there's no like analysis to it

00:11:51   It's it's just black market bribery to get you know, here's here's the gold frame

00:11:57   from the iPhone 5s, you know, here it is.

00:12:01   - And how do you stop that?

00:12:03   I mean, it's almost impossible.

00:12:04   - Yeah, I don't know.

00:12:05   Software-wise, almost nothing leaked.

00:12:08   I mean, even something as stupid and as innocuous

00:12:10   as the fact that it, only in the GM, none of the betas,

00:12:14   they added all new ringtones and alert tones,

00:12:19   that didn't leak, they had that, you know,

00:12:20   I mean, that was the only software surprise,

00:12:22   but it, you know, didn't leak.

00:12:24   - Yep.

00:12:24   - You know, and I think I even mentioned last week

00:12:26   I had Brent Simmons and Dave Whiskas on the show. Think about this. iOS 7 itself did not

00:12:31   leak until they showed it at WWDC. Now, there were rumors that it was going flat, that it

00:12:36   was a radical redesign, that it was going to be polarizing. But the actual, you know,

00:12:40   what it actually looked like did not leak until they showed it on stage at WWDC.

00:12:45   Tim Cynova Yeah, that's right.

00:12:47   John Green So the stuff that happens on campus in Cupertino,

00:12:51   they're definitely, I think they have successfully doubled down on secrecy. The stuff that goes

00:12:55   through the agent's supply chain, it just leaks like a sieve.

00:12:59   Is that why they're moving some of the manufacturing to the US or to different

00:13:03   places? You know, they're talking about Brazil and they talk about the US?

00:13:07   I wouldn't be surprised if it's part of it. You know, you always have to read between

00:13:12   the lines with these with Tech Tim and Phil on stage. I mean, they're, you know,

00:13:17   they're so polished, so rehearsed. But, you know, and again, this just could be my

00:13:21   imagination I'm totally just you know armchair psych psych psychologist here

00:13:28   but like when when Tim Cook was up there after Craig Federighi did the run

00:13:34   through of what's new in iowa7 and the next thing was to talk about new iPhones

00:13:38   and Tim said something along the lines of some you know new iPhones some of you

00:13:42   maybe have been expecting this I couldn't help but think though that he

00:13:46   He hated that.

00:13:47   He hated it.

00:13:49   Hated it that we already knew sort of what the 5S looked like.

00:13:53   Hated that we'd already – I don't know.

00:13:56   I just felt like I could see it and that the gold, it was not a surprise.

00:14:01   Really think that that disappointed them.

00:14:03   I think it must disappoint them because they work for a couple of years on these products

00:14:13   then they're leaked, you know, a few months before they come out. And Apple loves the surprise. They

00:14:20   love that factor of their keynotes that they can say, "Oh yeah, just one more thing." But if

00:14:27   everybody knows what the one more thing is, then, you know, it's done. Steve hated that.

00:14:32   And I have to think that Tim does too. But, you know, it wasn't really much of a surprise.

00:14:41   We we did get confirmation on you know colors and pricing and and things like that

00:14:47   But it's got to be a letdown to get up in the morning and see

00:14:51   Your new product that will be announced in a month's time splashed all over the internet

00:14:56   Yeah, I think so and I can't help but think that there's it maybe maybe that's it's simple enough not to

00:15:04   think it about like why did the 64-bit stay secret and the other stuff didn't I think it's probably because the

00:15:12   a7 is

00:15:14   If not the most expensive component it's one of you know, maybe maybe the display

00:15:20   something like that and so it would be a lot harder to smuggle that out and a

00:15:27   Lay person, you know, like someone who'd simply assembles them

00:15:30   They have no idea what they're looking at. You can't look at the A7 and tell that it's a 64-bit

00:15:36   RV8. It just says A7 designed by Apple in California or something like that. They don't

00:15:42   know what it is. And I think it's a harder thing to smuggle out. And if they did, how would somebody

00:15:47   else even tell what it is? Well, and you mentioned it earlier that the secrecy on campus is getting a

00:15:56   lot better and that's where they would be developing iOS 7 so you know 64-bit versions

00:16:02   of that remember when when Steve announced the Intel version of of Mac OS X and said there's

00:16:08   a building on campus where this has been developed for the last year alongside the other version and

00:16:12   nobody knew right I mean that that that is incredible and if you've ever been on campus

00:16:20   you know, there are people walking around with trolleys with black cloths draped over them.

00:16:27   You know, so there is a lot of secrecy that goes on there, even from their own employees.

00:16:35   And the employees understand that, you know, I think these days, a lot of those people that

00:16:42   work there really want to work for Apple. And more often than not, if you talk to people,

00:16:50   that work there, they believe what they're doing

00:16:53   actually means something.

00:16:55   They're making changes, they're innovating on things,

00:16:58   and they wanna continue to work there.

00:17:01   - Yeah, because if you don't work there,

00:17:02   where else are you gonna work

00:17:04   that has the same priorities as Apple?

00:17:06   - Yeah.

00:17:07   - And I think that the same logic applies to Google.

00:17:11   I think in general, obviously there are exceptions,

00:17:14   and I'm sure that there are some people working at Google

00:17:16   who used to work at Apple and vice versa.

00:17:19   But on the whole though, they attract different types

00:17:22   of engineers, different types of designers,

00:17:25   people with, you know, who see different things

00:17:28   as the most important thing they could be working on.

00:17:31   - Well, and for the good ones, for these great engineers,

00:17:35   they do have a choice.

00:17:37   You know, Apple goes looking for them,

00:17:39   and Google goes looking for them.

00:17:42   So they can pretty much work where they want.

00:17:45   You know, it's not a matter of, oh boy,

00:17:47   I better take this job at Apple

00:17:48   because I've got nothing else.

00:17:50   All of these companies try and bring over the greatest.

00:17:56   So, I talked to a developer down there,

00:18:01   well, he owns a company and he's looking for developers.

00:18:05   He can't find good developers in the San Jose,

00:18:10   in the Valley basically,

00:18:12   because they're all taken up and Apple pays them well

00:18:16   and everybody gives them great benefits.

00:18:18   Apple, Google. So he ended up going to Austin because there's nobody left out there.

00:18:25   Ted

00:18:44   You know, they left maybe two years ago,

00:18:47   and I know some of them who are already back.

00:18:50   You know, that the door, not because they had to,

00:18:52   but you know, and it's almost like that's how you do

00:18:55   a sabbatical at Apple.

00:18:56   Like if you're tired and wanna try something,

00:18:58   you leave and you go and work somewhere else

00:19:01   for a year or two, and then if you want

00:19:03   and the itch is still there, you go back to Apple

00:19:05   and the door is usually open if you left on good terms

00:19:09   and did good work.

00:19:11   - Yeah, yeah, and there's a lot of people

00:19:13   that have done that.

00:19:14   - I mean, Schiller did that, right?

00:19:16   - Oh, I don't think so.

00:19:17   Did he?

00:19:18   - Schiller was there and he went to Macromedia

00:19:21   and then came back?

00:19:22   - Oh, I didn't know he was at Apple before Macromedia.

00:19:24   I only knew that he was at Macromedia.

00:19:27   Well, that doesn't surprise me, I guess.

00:19:29   I knew that he was at Macromedia, though.

00:19:32   - I mean, there's--

00:19:32   - Boy, that was a long time ago.

00:19:34   It's hard to imagine. - Wow.

00:19:36   - 'Cause Schiller's gotta be the executive

00:19:39   who's been there the longest.

00:19:40   - He must be.

00:19:41   Because I know that he was senior vice president for product marketing before jobs returned.

00:19:48   He was like maybe the only guy who survived the return of jobs.

00:19:53   I think he was.

00:19:55   Yeah.

00:19:56   He could be.

00:19:58   Very hard to imagine a modern Apple without Phil Schiller.

00:20:02   It really is.

00:20:03   But you're right.

00:20:05   And just going back one step, you're right though that the whole idea that on day one,

00:20:09   a 7 64-bit total secret

00:20:14   well it's gotta be because it was

00:20:17   produced at at apple but

00:20:19   the most people care about sixty four bit

00:20:23   well i went into it in my review uh...

00:20:28   and you know in sixty four bit in and of itself no not really worth worrying

00:20:32   about it's a developer problem and you know just like with with mac OS X i

00:20:36   don't think that uh...

00:20:38   really had to worry about it when Mac OS X went 64-bit.

00:20:42   Unlike every other platform I'm aware of, like Windows, you didn't have to worry

00:20:46   about what version of an app you had. It all just worked.

00:20:50   And I think it'll be like that for consumers with this.

00:20:54   The big difference is the move from the old ARMv7

00:20:58   architecture to ARMv8, which has

00:21:02   a whole bunch of real performance improvements, and it

00:21:06   It makes sense if you're going to go to ARMv8 to go 64-bit at the same time.

00:21:12   So in a way they should care because it's really what enabled the 5s to be literally,

00:21:18   like no exaggeration, twice as fast as the 5 from a year ago.

00:21:27   And twice as fast in one generation of phones is – that's significant.

00:21:33   Yeah, it's really like the old days of the PC industry, you know, where you could, you know,

00:21:38   you buy a computer and a year later for the same price you could buy one that was twice as fast and you feel like

00:21:43   man, that's, you know, I can't believe I should have waited a year to buy my computer. It really is like that with mobile.

00:21:49   Yeah.

00:21:50   It certainly isn't like that with PCs anymore.

00:21:53   Like, you know.

00:21:54   No.

00:21:55   A new MacBook Air you buy today is not twice as fast. It's better. The battery life,

00:22:00   they've certainly made significant improvements

00:22:02   year over year, but you don't see doubling of clock speed,

00:22:06   or I guess not clock speed,

00:22:07   but CPU performance year over year.

00:22:09   It's really amazing.

00:22:11   - Well, and I think people realize now

00:22:14   that the PC isn't really what they need anymore.

00:22:19   You know, I mean, for all intents and purposes,

00:22:22   the iPhone is a PC.

00:22:24   - Oh, definitely.

00:22:25   - And then you have the iPad.

00:22:28   I work, I still work on a MacBook Pro,

00:22:33   but I can easily work on an iPad.

00:22:37   I can work on my phone if I really need to.

00:22:39   I don't like to, but I can.

00:22:41   - I do a significant amount of work on my phone.

00:22:46   One thing I do, a lot of on my phone,

00:22:48   is queue up material that I want to link to

00:22:52   later in the day.

00:22:53   So I'll just start my day with the phone in my hand

00:22:57   and start reading.

00:22:58   And if I see something, hey, I should link to that

00:23:01   from during Fireball, you know,

00:23:02   unless I'm gonna be on the phone all day,

00:23:04   I won't peck it all out on my thumbs right there.

00:23:06   I'll just send it to Pinboard

00:23:08   and then later when I'm at my desk,

00:23:09   I've already got six or seven things

00:23:11   that I've flagged to post.

00:23:14   - Yep.

00:23:15   - It's tremendously useful to me.

00:23:16   - Well, I do, I started using ReadingList.

00:23:20   I was using Instapaper.

00:23:22   But when I started trying out ReadingList

00:23:25   because it syncs now between all the devices.

00:23:29   I tried that out to see how that would work.

00:23:32   And it's pretty good.

00:23:34   - Yeah, and it's gotten better too.

00:23:35   - Yeah, it's not perfect by any stretch,

00:23:39   but usually what I do, somebody asks me

00:23:42   how long my reading list was.

00:23:44   Well, as soon as I linked to something, I delete it.

00:23:47   - Right.

00:23:48   - So my list isn't that long.

00:23:50   But it's a pretty efficient way to do things.

00:23:55   Now at night when I put my computer down I usually pick up my iPad and you know that's

00:24:02   just casual reading you know going through you know the latest things that people send

00:24:08   or whatever and you know that's a more casual type of browsing for me to sit down with the

00:24:16   iPad and do that.

00:24:17   But then you know saving links and things like that but if I have to post something

00:24:22   I'll probably reach over and grab my Macbook again.

00:24:26   Yeah, I would say it just is a rough schedule. The iPhone is my morning device. My Mac at

00:24:35   my desk is my afternoon to evening device. And then my iPad is my evening device. Like

00:24:42   last night was a perfect example. So I was late publishing my – the embargo I think

00:24:47   embargo I think was 9 p.m. Pacific on the iPhone reviews and I was I was late

00:24:55   as usual I think I published right after midnight Eastern Time so about three

00:25:00   hours late that's actually good for you that's pretty good I was tired I had a

00:25:15   busy day linking before I really settled down to write. I had a lot of notes from the week.

00:25:19   I mean, when I write this stuff, I have notes scribbled in Vesper, I have notes scribbled

00:25:27   in paper notebooks, I have the beginnings in BB Edit of sort of like a text file with the article.

00:25:34   But I just sort of like let it all stew and then I just start writing. And I think I ended up at

00:25:39   up at about 6,000 words or so. I was tired. I mean, that's a busy day, 6,000 words. I

00:25:47   mean, I'm not saying I wrote all 6,000 words, but I kind of put them all together. And it's

00:25:52   midnight and all the other reviews were out. And even when I'm late, I don't stop and

00:25:57   read. I want to get my review out without being biased by what other people have said.

00:26:01   But then there are so many reviews that came out on the embargo. The last thing in the

00:26:06   world I would want to do is still be at my desk and read them on the computer. Reading

00:26:10   them on the iPad with a beer in my hand on the couch, it was so much better than the

00:26:17   old days before the iPad. It really was. I mean, it was –

00:26:20   I know.

00:26:21   You know, I'm laying back. I'm on the couch in the living room, not at my desk.

00:26:24   I mean, I've had – you know, by the time – when you write 6,000 words in a day, the

00:26:27   last thing you want to do is still be at your desk.

00:26:29   Yep. No, I agree.

00:26:31   not be better. And you know what? I would not want to read like you can't read a non

00:26:37   less shrimpies. You can't read that. I can't read that on an iPhone.

00:26:43   No, you can't read that without a beer or case. Right. Something to I love his because

00:26:49   it made mine feel short. I I loved I linked to his today and I said, I don't think that

00:26:56   anybody more qualified to do this type of review. I mean, he just, he basically tears

00:27:04   the thing apart and, you know, talks about things that the very tech-minded people care

00:27:13   about and you need that. You really do.

00:27:17   You know what I was nervous about? I'm going to take a break in a minute for the first

00:27:20   But I was nervous because I went a little bit more benchmarky in mine than I usually

00:27:27   do, because I really thought that the 64-bit transition was so interesting, and there'd

00:27:32   been so much controversy about, ah, this going to 64-bit with only 1 gig of RAM is a total

00:27:37   gimmick, blah, blah, blah.

00:27:38   So I really went a lot more technical than I have in a long time.

00:27:43   And I was so worried, because I knew when I read Anand that if he said, like, ah, this

00:27:49   this is kind of a meh upgrade performance-wise

00:27:51   that I was toast.

00:27:52   (laughing)

00:27:54   So I, and I usually do, he breaks his up

00:27:56   over multiple pages.

00:27:58   I actually skipped and went to the CPU performance page

00:28:03   first just to like double check and everything he had

00:28:06   kind of jibed with mine, you know, that wow,

00:28:08   this is, you know, it's about twice as fast

00:28:10   year over year and it's faster than all the leading

00:28:12   Android phones and I was like, whoo.

00:28:14   - Yeah, well, when I look at something like that,

00:28:18   I kind of take the end user approach in my reviews and this time I went for the pain points.

00:28:27   And for me that's that damn password, you know, unlocking the phone every single time.

00:28:33   And I did have concerns about the fingerprint sensor because as I laid out in the review,

00:28:40   you know, I was worried it was going to say, "Okay, I'm on law, I'm awake and oh, you want

00:28:45   to do a fingerprint and okay I'll read and you know it'd just be this painful experience that

00:28:51   I could actually type it in faster than waiting for the fingerprint and that would be useless as a

00:28:57   feature that you would want to continue to use. I mean it has to be fast and it really is.

00:29:05   You just press the home button to wake the phone up and just keep just rest your thumb on it and I

00:29:14   I use my thumb instead of a finger because that's how I hold the phone.

00:29:18   I just rest my thumb on it and it's immediate.

00:29:20   It just opens up.

00:29:21   Let's pick it up from there.

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00:31:09   So my description of the fingerprint sensor is exactly like you said it's it's so much faster than I think it even has to be

00:31:17   Yeah, right

00:31:18   Like my thought going in was exactly the same as yours that it it can't be like

00:31:23   Roughly as long as it takes to enter a passcode. It has to be way faster than the passcode. Yeah, because

00:31:31   It's just the way that any sort of disruption has to be 10 times better than the thing that

00:31:40   came before it.

00:31:42   And just, I don't want to go too far off on a tangent, but I think that's exactly the

00:31:45   problem that Windows Phone faces.

00:31:47   Windows Phone is, by all accounts, really good mobile operating system, but it was late.

00:31:53   And at best, it's roughly on par with Android and iOS.

00:31:58   It's like the same thing.

00:31:59   not 10 times better.

00:32:01   So it just has trouble getting traction.

00:32:03   Whereas the original iPhone was 10 times better

00:32:06   than what came before it.

00:32:07   That's what does it.

00:32:09   So if you're gonna get rid of passcodes,

00:32:11   the thing that you're gonna get rid of them with

00:32:13   has to be like 10 times better,

00:32:14   and that's what Touch ID is.

00:32:16   It is, it is so much faster than I really thought

00:32:21   that they were gonna be able to achieve.

00:32:22   I had like my hopes, I hope it's like that fast.

00:32:26   and they exceeded it by a long shot.

00:32:29   - You know, there are these features that come out

00:32:32   in whether it's iOS or OS X,

00:32:35   what's that thing called in OS X, Exposé.

00:32:39   - Yeah.

00:32:40   - You know, you can do these windows

00:32:42   and you can have all this stuff going on.

00:32:45   I never used it.

00:32:46   You know, it's one of those things that

00:32:49   when it first comes out, you look at it and say,

00:32:51   wow, that's cool.

00:32:52   But if it doesn't actually remove a problem or a pain point for you, then you're not

00:32:59   going to end up using it.

00:33:02   The hopes that I had similar to yours for the Touch ID was they were pretty high expectations

00:33:09   and it exceeded them for me.

00:33:11   And so much, and you know, we talked about this on the phone, so much so that I went

00:33:16   to my 5C and clicked it on and left my thumb there on the thing waiting for it to unlock

00:33:22   and I thought, "Oh my god, it's broken."

00:33:24   (laughs)

00:33:25   - I've seen that in at least three different reviews

00:33:27   of the iPhone 5S today.

00:33:28   Everybody does it.

00:33:30   Everybody.

00:33:31   - That shows you that the feature works.

00:33:35   And it does remove a problem.

00:33:36   And it absolutely did for me.

00:33:39   So yeah, that's something that,

00:33:41   that in itself is a reason to buy the 5S.

00:33:44   - I think Tim Cook even kind of touched on this,

00:33:48   I think in his wrap up at the end of the event.

00:33:50   I know he touched on it, and I can't remember when, but I think it was at the very end when

00:33:54   he was wrapping it up, when he was talking about the new stuff.

00:34:00   And there's not that much new, really.

00:34:01   I mean, there's Touch ID, there's the improved camera with the burst mode and the slow-mo,

00:34:06   and there's the performance gains.

00:34:09   But that they really focus not just on adding new stuff, but new stuff that everybody will

00:34:15   find useful.

00:34:17   And reading between the lines there, to me, it's putting a finger at no better example

00:34:22   than the Samsung Galaxy S4, the one that was unveiled at Radio City Music Hall with the

00:34:29   song and dance show and all this stuff.

00:34:32   And these features, they had all these new features like watching a video and then when

00:34:37   you move your eyes away, it'll pause automatically and something where you can somehow move and

00:34:45   manipulate items on the screen without actually touching the glass and then you

00:34:49   read all the reviews and everybody says these things are gimmicks and they don't

00:34:52   even work that well I don't like it yeah and and now you know here we are six

00:34:56   seven months later nobody even talks about those features nobody says boy all

00:35:01   the other Android phones and iPhone need to get this look away from video and

00:35:06   have it pause automatically because you know what that's nobody actually has a

00:35:10   problem pausing a video right tap the screen tap pause well and and where are

00:35:16   you gonna watch video on your phone you know sometimes maybe you're in an

00:35:19   airport so you know you lift your eyes up and look around and expect it to keep

00:35:24   going like which I would and then a pause it no right you wouldn't want that

00:35:27   no it's it's like you said though it's it is hard to find actual problems to

00:35:34   solve and to and to solve them in a way that it works for everybody well and

00:35:39   And there, I think you just nailed something that Apple does that nobody else does.

00:35:46   I think that they actually look for the problems to solve.

00:35:50   Instead of coming up and saying, "I've got this fancy new feature," and I'll

00:35:54   grant it, Apple probably does this too.

00:35:57   You know, "Let's make a backup that looks like it's in space and on your Mac."

00:36:01   And you know, they highlight that stuff as well.

00:36:05   But it doesn't seem to me that a lot of companies actually look for something to solve.

00:36:11   When Apple looks at the passcode, "Okay, we need people or we want people to be secure

00:36:18   and we want them to lock their phones.

00:36:20   This is a real problem."

00:36:22   And your phone beeps, you pick it up, you type in your passcode and then you lock it

00:36:30   and put it back down again and then it beeps again.

00:36:32   Then you got to pick it back up.

00:36:34   Well that's an actual problem that people have with security.

00:36:39   And they solve that.

00:36:40   I would like, you know, people talk about why I'm so mean to Samsung.

00:36:46   Well, don't just take, you know, ten new features and throw them in there if they don't actually

00:36:54   do anything.

00:36:55   Right, you're wasting people's time, you really are.

00:36:58   And I can see why they do it.

00:36:59   They shouldn't, but I can see why.

00:37:01   they're not actually helping customers, because if the feature isn't helpful. But they're

00:37:06   doing it because so many people in the technology press and the business press have this insatiable

00:37:15   desire for endless revolution. Like, I'm going to avoid the word innovation, because I've

00:37:22   talked about it, that I think innovation means something different than what the people who

00:37:27   say Apple can't innovate anymore. What they say – what they think innovation means is

00:37:31   revolution. They want a new – the 2007 iPhone every 12 months.

00:37:36   Right.

00:37:37   And that's not going to happen. Real innovation is incremental and it's like a – it's

00:37:41   always about going a layer deeper. Often, often going – every once in a while it is

00:37:46   about revolution, but for the most part it's incremental. And for some reason in technology,

00:37:52   that's where people see this. Maybe because technology is still relatively a new field.

00:37:57   But I think about the automobile industry,

00:38:00   and nobody demands stuff like that.

00:38:02   Nobody, like when BMW comes out with the new 3 Series,

00:38:06   is demanding that I can't believe that it still

00:38:09   has tires on the road, and we don't have hover cars yet.

00:38:14   You know what I mean?

00:38:15   George Lucas showed us a land speeder in 1977.

00:38:18   Why can't BMW make one?

00:38:21   Do you know what they do?

00:38:22   They work on things like making the doors nicer.

00:38:26   That's right.

00:38:26   It's funny how if you get into somebody who's driving a later model premium car, like a '97 BMW, still a nice car, but you get into it and you know what? It's roughly on par with a mid-range Honda Civic today.

00:38:44   You know, what would have happened in 2007 if Apple brought out the first iPhone and

00:38:51   it was exactly the 5S with the iOS 7?

00:38:55   People probably would have lynched jobs for being a witch.

00:38:57   You know?

00:38:58   Right.

00:38:59   You know?

00:39:00   Right.

00:39:01   What do you need this airdrop thing for?

00:39:03   What is that kind of witchcraft that you're talking about there, Steve?

00:39:07   You know, and that's why it's incremental, because as the technology unfolds, we realize

00:39:14   that there are things that we need to do and there are things that we want to do there are different

00:39:19   types of media and files and information that we want to share okay well here's the thing called

00:39:27   airdrop it took seven years but we didn't know that we wanted that in 2007 we didn't even know

00:39:33   we wanted the iphone in 2007 yeah it's true that's another one where it's a simple problem and it's

00:39:40   "Hey, you've got one of these devices.

00:39:42   "I've got one of these devices,

00:39:43   "and we can see each other.

00:39:45   "We're right here in a room together.

00:39:46   "Shouldn't I be able to just send you a link or a picture?"

00:39:51   - And what did we do before that?

00:39:53   Well, text it to me or email it to me or, you know,

00:39:56   no, just airdrop it.

00:39:58   Just do it, it's done.

00:39:59   - Yeah, I did it.

00:40:01   I used it last week.

00:40:02   Last week after going out to California

00:40:04   for the Apple shindig, instead of flying straight home,

00:40:07   I went to Denver, where my Q branch colleagues were.

00:40:11   That's where we ended up recording the talk show.

00:40:13   But Dave Whiskus lives there, and Brent Simmons

00:40:16   was in town for the i360 Mac conference.

00:40:22   And so it was a convenient way for the three of us to meet face to face

00:40:25   and do some Vesper work.

00:40:27   But we used AirDrop.

00:40:28   It was great.

00:40:29   Here, I have a picture.

00:40:30   Let me show you this here.

00:40:31   And AirDrop, there it is.

00:40:35   It was super convenient.

00:40:36   I often don't run into stuff like that when I'm at home because I am like a little like

00:40:40   a hermit up here.

00:40:42   Yeah, me too.

00:40:46   But spending two days working like a regular person with colleagues in the same room, it's

00:40:51   fantastic.

00:40:52   Yeah.

00:40:53   It could not be easier.

00:40:55   Really great feature.

00:40:56   And it just solves a problem that's been staring us in the face the whole time.

00:41:01   And that's it.

00:41:03   The greatest features, I think, are the ones that solve a problem that you don't realize

00:41:10   there's a solution to.

00:41:12   You know, there's another thing that's a pain point.

00:41:16   Well, there is a solution.

00:41:17   Text that file to me, that's fine.

00:41:19   But there is a better solution.

00:41:21   And you know, we didn't even know that there was a solution needed that we didn't already

00:41:25   have.

00:41:26   But there it is.

00:41:27   Yeah.

00:41:28   You know, and those are the ones that you'll end up using.

00:41:31   And just to clarify, looking at Phil Schiller's bio on Apple, it says, "Since rejoining

00:41:39   Apple in 1997."

00:41:41   So he was there before.

00:41:43   I thought I better clarify just in case I was wrong.

00:41:46   Yeah, you probably had the scoop at Mac Central in 1995 or whenever it was when he left to

00:41:54   go to Macromedia.

00:41:55   That's probably what you're remembering.

00:41:56   You're probably the one who broke the news.

00:41:58   Man, that was a long time ago.

00:42:00   Jeez.

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00:44:43   So I think that there's a pretty clear consensus

00:44:51   that the 5S is a great upgrade.

00:44:56   5C is a great phone.

00:45:00   Clearly spec wise it's the same as the 5.

00:45:03   If you have an iPhone 5,

00:45:04   you're not gonna upgrade to the 5C.

00:45:06   I mean, that's, you know, you're just--

00:45:08   - Except for the color, a lot of people will do that.

00:45:10   - I don't think anybody who already has a 5 would, though.

00:45:13   I mean, somebody might.

00:45:15   I mean, I wouldn't say nobody,

00:45:16   but you know, it's hard to recommend.

00:45:18   The 5S is the, if you already have a 5,

00:45:22   is the 5S a worthy upgrade?

00:45:24   - Yeah, I think so.

00:45:25   - You're, you know, if you're willing to pay that,

00:45:29   the price that, you know,

00:45:30   'cause everybody already has a 5, bought it a year ago.

00:45:33   If you're willing to pay the price,

00:45:35   I think it's worth it.

00:45:36   I mean, I think it's probably worth it for the camera alone.

00:45:39   But I'm a dummy.

00:45:42   I've bought my own new iPhone every single year.

00:45:45   And I've never regretted it though,

00:45:47   so maybe I'm not that dumb.

00:45:48   I don't know, it feels like money well spent to me.

00:45:49   But it totally feels like a solid upgrade to me.

00:45:53   - Now, the camera is one of the last things

00:45:56   that I looked at.

00:45:57   I see you walking around even at the event last week

00:46:01   and you've got the nice DSLR

00:46:03   and you've got a nice camera.

00:46:05   I don't because I totally suck at photography.

00:46:10   I'm just terrible.

00:46:12   And if my iPhone doesn't take a good picture,

00:46:16   then I just don't have good pictures.

00:46:18   So I need the iPhone camera to be good.

00:46:22   I do like to film videos and I filmed some videos

00:46:27   for the review of the slow-mo feature

00:46:29   and put them in there of my dogs playing Frisbee.

00:46:35   And the videos were always, you know,

00:46:36   they're always very cool because one of my border callers,

00:46:40   Harold, he just, he loves to jump as high as he can

00:46:43   for the Frisbee.

00:46:44   And so it was great, I went out, you know,

00:46:47   you throw the Frisbee and he jumps like five feet in the air,

00:46:50   catches this thing, and I slow-mowed that section of it.

00:46:54   It was brilliant, I loved it.

00:46:55   - Yeah, it's a really clever, you know,

00:46:58   and like, it is an intersection of hardware and software.

00:47:02   I mean, obviously the hardware, the camera itself, hardware, has to be capable of shooting

00:47:07   120 frames per second, which not a lot of, very few, cell phone-sized cameras can.

00:47:14   But it's more than that, though.

00:47:16   It's the software where it's so easy to pick the points where you want it in slow

00:47:22   mo.

00:47:23   Yeah.

00:47:24   Easy enough to make the whole clip slow mo.

00:47:27   Easy enough to say, you know, forget about the slow mo.

00:47:29   I don't want any of it slow mo.

00:47:30   I just want the video at regular speed.

00:47:32   I forget the slow-mo.

00:47:34   Whatever you want, it is so easy to specify.

00:47:37   - Yeah, it's in and out points.

00:47:39   - And it seems so obvious once you've seen it,

00:47:43   and I'm sure by next year when lots of phones have this,

00:47:47   that all sorts of Android phones

00:47:49   are gonna have the exact same interface.

00:47:52   But that sort of interface that seems so obvious

00:47:54   once you've seen it, it's not obvious.

00:47:56   - No.

00:47:57   And no, it's not.

00:47:58   I mean, thinking about it going in and saying,

00:48:01   okay, slow-mo video, do I export that

00:48:04   or does it pick the part automatically

00:48:07   or what happens here?

00:48:08   And the thing is, I did three separate videos

00:48:13   and I pick the in and out points

00:48:17   and then you export the video and share it.

00:48:21   That's, I emailed it to myself,

00:48:24   but then you can go back in and pick new in and out points.

00:48:28   the video is still there, the ability to do slow-mo

00:48:31   is still there, the ability to change it up.

00:48:34   So you can do whatever you want as long as you have

00:48:36   the video on your iPhone.

00:48:39   And then re-export it and mail it to yourself again.

00:48:43   - Yeah, so the way it works behind the scenes

00:48:46   is when you shoot a slow-mo clip, it shoots the whole thing

00:48:48   at 120 frames per second, so it's four times

00:48:51   the number of frames that a regular 30 frames per second

00:48:54   video is, but then you set these in and out points

00:48:56   and they're just saved as metadata on a file,

00:48:58   and then when you export it, it'll

00:49:00   export a version that does 30 frames per second

00:49:03   at the real speed and just goes--

00:49:07   it couldn't be better.

00:49:08   I think it's a lot like the way the filters work

00:49:11   on the still pictures, where it doesn't really save them.

00:49:13   It saves the filter as metadata, and it only really

00:49:17   does the application of it at full resolution

00:49:19   when you export.

00:49:20   Right.

00:49:23   Something else to note about slow-mo.

00:49:25   on the third video that I posted,

00:49:27   you can actually hear the audio being slowed down as well.

00:49:31   And the dog was really kind of close to me

00:49:34   when he jumped and caught the Frisbee.

00:49:38   You can hear his teeth

00:49:39   (laughing)

00:49:40   grasp onto the Frisbee in slow-mo.

00:49:43   It's like, oh, crunch.

00:49:47   It's great.

00:49:49   It's great.

00:49:50   I loved it.

00:49:53   One of the things that struck me, especially with these new camera features on the 5S,

00:49:58   the burst mode and the slow-mo, is, and you know, I think that the last year, or I guess

00:50:06   it wasn't last year, it was the introduction of iOS 7, but that was back at WWDC when they

00:50:11   added the built-in Instagram-style filters, is how clearly Apple is designing this for

00:50:18   the idea that your photos are never really going to leave your iPhone.

00:50:22   You might sync them to iPhoto on a Mac or something, or Lightroom or Aputure or something.

00:50:28   You could, you can if you want, but you no longer are expected to.

00:50:33   Your phone is the one-stop place for the entire photo experience.

00:50:38   Because I think back, like I used to shoot film.

00:50:41   I got into photography in the late 90s and shot film, and in my first Canon SLR I shot

00:50:47   on film and the first couple of years after my son was born, all the pictures I shot on film.

00:50:53   And what do you do with film? Well, you take it and get developed and you get prints. And then,

00:50:57   you know, we would take the prints and, you know, throw out anything that turned out bad and take

00:51:01   the good ones and put them in a photo album and there you go. That's what you do. What did you

00:51:06   do with digital photos, right? That was a big question when we first went to digital. And before

00:51:12   iPhoto existed, what we'd do is we'd hook up the digital camera to your computer and you'd dump all

00:51:17   the files into a folder in the finder and you'd have all these pictures and you'd

00:51:23   like open them up in something and look at them and maybe throw out. But then you just

00:51:27   wound up ending up with a thousand photos and they all have like these names like IMG_5689.jpg,

00:51:39   right? In all caps, of course. Right? And there was. It was a serious question. And

00:51:47   When Apple first came out with iPhoto, that was how Steve Jobs pitched it.

00:51:51   It's like, "Look, that's nonsense here.

00:51:53   We'll help you organize your photos."

00:51:59   And iPhoto is a great app, and it certainly made that better, but it wasn't good enough.

00:52:04   I feel like the true solution of what do we do with digital photos is the iPhone.

00:52:15   It's keeping them on the device and then finding the ones you really want to share and sharing

00:52:19   them to Instagram or to Flickr or to email or a text message or whatever right there.

00:52:28   There is no sync process.

00:52:29   There is no move it to a real computer and then do something.

00:52:33   The iPhone is the real computer and you can get rid of the red eye right there and you

00:52:38   can adjust the color balance, put some kind of filter on to give it a warmer look or a

00:52:43   or a black and white look, right there.

00:52:45   - Do you think that's for everybody though?

00:52:47   - I do, I think it's way more for everybody

00:52:50   than sinking by a USCB cable,

00:52:55   connecting it to something even like iPhoto,

00:52:57   and then doing those things.

00:53:00   Because for the most part, I think you want to do something

00:53:03   like post it to Flickr or send it to a friend

00:53:07   or a family member or something

00:53:09   right after you took the photo.

00:53:10   - Oh, that's true.

00:53:11   I feel like you go on vacation and it's so much more fun

00:53:16   to take a picture of you in front of some kind of landmark

00:53:20   and then send it right after you took the picture

00:53:23   than to do it eight days later when you get home.

00:53:25   - No, that part is true.

00:53:26   What about the people that, like Monique,

00:53:30   she may post on Facebook or post a picture or something,

00:53:34   but then she likes to get home and organize her pictures,

00:53:37   vacation, this is where we went and look at them

00:53:39   it's a nice big screen make make a book or what you do is no heart you know you're

00:53:44   no if that's what you like to do it's you're no worse for the where right now

00:53:47   it's no skin off your back you can still do that this is like a new convenience

00:53:51   added on top but the thing that really also made me think about today was David

00:53:55   pogues review of iOS 7 I think mentioned that when you set a filter in in iOS

00:54:02   like you take a picture and then you use one of Apple's built-in 8 filters and

00:54:07   And then you sync your phone to your computer and suck it into iPhoto or whatever.

00:54:12   You don't get that filter.

00:54:13   You just get the photo you shot.

00:54:14   The filter is just like metadata that's on the iPhone and it only really gets applied

00:54:19   when you do it from the iPhone.

00:54:21   It makes sense to me and that doesn't even surprise me, but it did surprise Pogue.

00:54:27   So maybe, you know, I saw the link that you posted on that, maybe it was yesterday.

00:54:34   Maybe that is the way that they're heading.

00:54:36   they're just easing into it. They don't freak people out or something.

00:54:41   JS And the big one for me, and I wrote about it in my review, but the burst mode

00:54:46   is just so eye-opening. And like you said, I have an SLR. I have a really nice Canon 5D. I have some

00:54:52   really nice lenses for it. I'm not a professional photographer. I'm not even a prosumer. I'm maybe

00:54:58   like an avid amateur. But I do like shooting in, call it burst mode, call it continuous mode,

00:55:05   especially shooting kids, but just hold the button down and shoot as fast as the camera

00:55:11   will go for a second or two. And it just increases the odds that on one of those ones you get,

00:55:19   your subjects are in focus, their eyes are open, and the light looks good on them. But

00:55:24   then what do you do with the rest if you just shot 12 photos? And then it's like delete,

00:55:28   delete, delete, delete, delete, delete. No, wait, no, wait. Was this the one that was

00:55:31   was good or not. The Burst Mode software interface on the iPhone is, again, in hindsight, it's

00:55:40   like, well, of course this is how it works. But I've never seen a camera that worked like

00:55:44   that before, you know, where you go open up the Burst when you're ready and you just click

00:55:50   a button that says Favorites, and then it shows you all of the photos in the Burst in

00:55:54   a timeline, and it automatically makes like a guess as to which one is the best using

00:55:59   like the facial recognition and stuff. I haven't used it. I mean, a week isn't long enough

00:56:04   to really test how good their guesses is, so I just didn't comment on it. But, you know,

00:56:09   it might do pretty well. It seems like the facial recognition for focus has always worked

00:56:12   pretty well on the iPhone. You pick one, you pick two, you could pick none, but you pick

00:56:19   however many you want. Those that you pick get saved as their own items in the photo

00:56:24   roll and then you can delete that whole burst stack in one action. It is so great and it's

00:56:31   so much quicker than, like the old way, like with my Canon, which is like a $2,000 camera,

00:56:39   I think maybe like a $2,500 camera. If I shoot a burst of 20 photos, it's easier for me to

00:56:48   my selects, pick the one or two keepers and throw out the other 18, once I sync to Lightroom

00:56:56   on my computer and do it on my computer. It's a total pain in the ass to do it on the camera.

00:57:01   Just I just don't even bother. I don't even bother trying because it's like delete, confirm,

00:57:05   delete, confirm. Forget it. You know what I mean? Whereas the iPhone now, the iPhone

00:57:11   5S has now made it where it's easier to do your picks, keep your selects, and get rid

00:57:19   of the other ones. It's way easier on the phone than it would be to do it in iPhoto

00:57:24   or Aperture or Lightroom.

00:57:25   Darrell Bock Yeah.

00:57:26   John "Slick" Baum: Like, they've totally inverted the model of where it's easier,

00:57:31   you know, where your first pass triage of your photos is easier done. Couldn't be

00:57:37   happier with it.

00:57:38   just what you want. And again, another pain point.

00:57:41   Right. And so, you know, in terms of people who are upgrading and have to pay the full price

00:57:45   because they're still on contract because they have an iPhone 5, to me, a good point-and-shoot

00:57:50   camera is still worth, you know, two, three, four hundred dollars. You know, that to me factors into

00:57:58   the price of upgrading to the 5S is that it's, you know, it is a great point-and-shoot camera.

00:58:03   Well, and that's what people like me need. I mean, you know, you can tell me that it has,

00:58:10   you know, an f 2.5. I don't know what that means. I mean, you're just speaking gibberish to me.

00:58:17   As it should be.

00:58:19   I just, if I can take the camera and, you know, when Monique and I are going on vacation or

00:58:27   something and we look at what we have to pack do we need a camera no I'm gonna

00:58:33   use the iPhone you can bring camera if you want but I'm gonna use the iPhone

00:58:36   and that's all I use so it's important to me that it focuses properly and you

00:58:42   know using the the burst mode is gonna be great for me because I take such

00:58:49   shitty pictures yeah that using the burst mode and then to go in and have it

00:58:53   recommend, oh here's a good one.

00:58:56   This one has the right lighting and it's not blurred

00:59:01   and it's all, fine, okay iPhone 5, I'll take your advice

00:59:06   and I'll keep that one.

00:59:09   The rest of them, delete.

00:59:11   - The most surprising statistic I've seen in a while,

00:59:14   'cause I thought it would be a big number

00:59:16   and it was way bigger than I thought,

00:59:17   was a week or two ago when I was writing about Nintendo

00:59:21   and how I think that their handheld market is

00:59:26   in serious danger due to the post-PC.

00:59:30   But Nintendo aside, as further example

00:59:33   of devices being disrupted, I wanted to look up

00:59:36   what's going on with the point-and-shoot camera industry.

00:59:38   And it was, I think it was 42%.

00:59:41   The Wall Street Journal reported a few weeks ago

00:59:44   that point-and-shoot camera sales were down 42%

00:59:49   in just 12 months this year, which is almost phenomenal bottoming out of the market.

00:59:58   All right? And I think that it's one of those things that it's not like, "Oh, well, the damage

01:00:04   was done between 2012 and 2013. Now to level out." No way. I think that when you see a trend line

01:00:10   like that, I think you're going to see it happening, you know, next year is going to be like another

01:00:15   40, 50 percent that there's just less and less. Yes, the optics, the actual like physics of light

01:00:25   going through a lens and hitting a sensor are way better on a point and shoot camera that has,

01:00:32   you know, a big dedicated lens way bigger compared to the phone. But you can't beat the software and

01:00:39   you can't beat the connectivity and the apps and the social sharing that you get on the phone.

01:00:44   You know the camera that's with you is the best camera and isn't that the way that that a lot of this stuff is it's

01:00:49   making

01:00:51   The camera or whatever it is good enough

01:00:54   that

01:00:56   It's there. It's with you. You trust it. You're willing to use it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm that's that's exactly what it is

01:01:04   For me. Yeah, it's exact same way that we're we're PC laptop sales have dropped off with tablets

01:01:11   It's not because tablets are faster than Windows and Mac laptops or that they're more powerful

01:01:16   or that you can do more multitasking or that the screen is as big or that you can type as fast,

01:01:21   et cetera. It's that it's good enough and that it's so much easier and nicer, right?

01:01:28   That's how disruption works. You think you're safe because of your specs. And in the meantime,

01:01:33   the disruptor is eating you out from the bottom.

01:01:38   And the same thing happened, I mean, you talk about, you know, this statistic with cameras,

01:01:45   look at printers. When's the last time you printed anything? And it's not that it got disrupted and

01:01:51   replaced with something else, it just became obsolete.

01:01:53   I would buy a printer that could only print airline boarding passes.

01:01:57   [Laughter]

01:01:57   (laughter)

01:01:59   I mean, we still have a printer, and it's on the network,

01:02:06   because my kids are both in university,

01:02:10   and they need to pass in papers.

01:02:13   And you know, why they don't just let them email

01:02:16   the papers in, I don't know, in this day and age,

01:02:19   but they have to print it off.

01:02:21   - My son is in fourth grade,

01:02:22   and is allowed to email his homework.

01:02:24   - Yeah, there you go.

01:02:25   - Yeah.

01:02:26   This is university in Canada too.

01:02:28   Yeah.

01:02:30   Universities are slower to move.

01:02:32   They still take dogs sleds to school.

01:02:34   See, I would want to print maybe because I would want to make sure the font turned out alright.

01:02:39   And I don't trust them to have the font.

01:02:41   But that's me. I'm an idiot.

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01:05:50   - All right, here's a question.

01:05:53   Arno Sazna.

01:05:54   I don't think I, there's so many questions here,

01:05:56   this worked out so well that I don't even know

01:05:58   how they're gonna get 'em all, but here's a good question.

01:05:59   - There's a ton.

01:06:00   - Why is iOS 7 so much better on the iPhone than the iPad?

01:06:04   I like it on the iPad.

01:06:09   You know, there seems to be some mixed reaction on that.

01:06:11   I kind of expected last week that they were going to only release it this week for iPhone

01:06:16   and release it for the iPad next month when I think everybody expects there to be another

01:06:22   Apple event to unveil new iPads.

01:06:24   It just seems to me like iOS 7 is about a month behind on iPad.

01:06:30   wasn't ready at WWDC, the first beta was always two or three weeks behind, and it still feels

01:06:35   two or three weeks behind to me. That's not to say it's unusable, because I've been using

01:06:39   iOS 7 on my iPhone, my main iPhone, since July, and it's been fine. I've had a fine

01:06:45   summer using iOS 7 as my main OS.

01:06:48   Tom Bilyeu (01h00m 10s): Agreed. And I've been using it on my iPad since

01:06:51   about the same time, and I don't have any problems with it.

01:06:57   Yeah, but I do have heard from other people and I've seen some people on Twitter who are

01:07:00   seeing some real performance bottlenecks. David Barnard, a friend of the show, guy behind

01:07:07   all the app Cubby apps, was tweeting and took video of, he was changing the wallpaper on

01:07:12   his iPad mini after updating it to the iOS 7 GM. And it, or he was shooting a vine, you

01:07:18   know, and the vine only gives you six seconds. The vine wasn't long enough to show how long

01:07:23   it took for the wallpaper change to take place. So I mean obviously there's you know, but I I tried it myself

01:07:29   I changed the wallpaper and it didn't I didn't see that so it's not like well

01:07:33   Everybody's iPad mini takes seven or eight seconds to change the wallpaper. I mean, there's obviously something wrong on his I

01:07:40   Don't know. I just feel like there is a point that I do feel like it has been true that iOS

01:07:46   iPad iOS 7 has been a few weeks behind the iPhone version

01:07:50   But I don't know I it'll be interesting to see what happens today and tomorrow after people upgrade, you know

01:07:56   Whether there's an outcry from iPad users in particular

01:07:59   Versus iPhone users, but I'm with you my me personally with with my iPad mini running the iOS 7 GM

01:08:06   I like it better than I liked it running iOS 6. Yeah

01:08:09   Here's a good question is Jim jealous that Apple gave you a pink 5c

01:08:19   No, no, I'm not what color did you get I get green? Oh

01:08:23   Here's a question from a guy named Craig

01:08:27   Hockenberry who's that? That sounds like a weird name does a green iPhone get lost in a beard like snot. I

01:08:34   Can't answer that I don't I have neither a green iPhone nor a beard Wow, but luckily Jim is here Wow with Bob. I

01:08:47   I have to admit that I did have a green iPhone,

01:08:51   but on the first night, it got lost over here.

01:08:54   So I haven't actually seen it since.

01:08:56   - Can I tell you what one of my,

01:08:58   just to interrupt the questions,

01:09:00   you know what my favorite little feature of iOS 7 is?

01:09:05   It's the fact that there's no longer a limit

01:09:08   on your Safari tabs.

01:09:10   - Oh.

01:09:11   - Now, I, you know, it used to be eight,

01:09:15   And if you had eight and opened another link, like say--

01:09:19   like if you just were in Safari and I

01:09:21   saw that there was a little eight in the corner,

01:09:23   then I knew, hey, don't open a new tab till I close one.

01:09:25   But what would happen is I'd be in Mail, click a link,

01:09:28   and it would go to Safari.

01:09:30   And it would erase--

01:09:31   it would overwrite the oldest tab you had open.

01:09:33   But then I'd be like, well, what was that?

01:09:35   Maybe that was something important.

01:09:37   Now it just keeps opening and opening and opening them.

01:09:40   It doesn't magically keep them all in RAM.

01:09:43   You know the way that sometimes an old tab that you have open in Safari, you have to,

01:09:50   it'll have to reload it from the network before it'll actually show you the content.

01:09:55   It doesn't magically keep them all in RAM because, you know, there's, you know, actually

01:09:59   only still one gigabyte of RAM.

01:10:01   But it remembers the URL and it now remembers a screenshot of what it looked like.

01:10:07   So the tabs that have been erased from memory, when you're paging through your tabs, it still

01:10:12   looks like the tab so you can identify it visually.

01:10:14   Yeah.

01:10:15   I have found this to be such a great feature and it's one of those things where I always

01:10:21   knew it was an annoyance that the ninth tab that you open in Safari would overwrite the

01:10:26   first but now that I can keep, you know, I can have 12, 13, 14 open, it's what a great

01:10:32   feature and I really like the interface for flipping through them too.

01:10:36   I think it's really great.

01:10:39   And when you tap on the one that you want,

01:10:43   it kind of flips out from the bottom.

01:10:45   - Yeah.

01:10:46   - You know, so that's, there's a lot of these things

01:10:49   like that and like multitasking that I really like.

01:10:53   It kind of shows that even though Apple moved away

01:10:56   from the skeuomorphic design a lot,

01:10:59   they still do care about the details.

01:11:01   - Oh, definitely.

01:11:02   - I know, so.

01:11:03   - You know, that's a good question for you.

01:11:05   You had concerns when the rumors were first coming out

01:11:08   the move away from skeuomorphism. You wrote a really good piece on the loop about how,

01:11:16   hey, you know, you're a little worried about this if it's true. You don't want to prejudge it. You're

01:11:19   going to wait and see what they show you. But you like the skeuomorphism. You like the attention to

01:11:24   detail. I do. What do you think about iOS 7 in that regard? I guess that's the thing. There are

01:11:34   are so many details that they looked at. I really do like some of the the

01:11:40   schemomorphic elements that Apple had in its OS, you know, like the the shredder

01:11:44   in Passbook, you know, stuff like that. It was cool. There's no way

01:11:50   around it. But they've replaced that with, I think, more dynamics. You know, I

01:11:58   know the people are against the the icons flying in from like behind the or

01:12:03   in front of the screen and I kind of like it.

01:12:06   I love it.

01:12:07   You know, it gives the phone a feeling of interaction without you really having to do

01:12:14   anything.

01:12:15   You press the button and watch it go, you know?

01:12:17   And I wouldn't want to get rid of that.

01:12:19   Right.

01:12:20   I think one of the best ways to put it is maybe it's like they've exchanged one style

01:12:25   of flourishes for a different style of flourishes.

01:12:30   It's not, though, that they've gone plain, right?

01:12:34   And again, I like Windows Phone.

01:12:37   If I had to use some phone other than an iPhone, I would definitely, no doubt in my mind, choose

01:12:45   probably a Nokia Windows Phone over any Android phone.

01:12:48   I really do like it better.

01:12:50   But I think Windows Phone's flat look, if you will, if you want to use the F word, and

01:12:56   we all know how much we all love the F word.

01:12:59   I think their look is plain and truly flat in a way that Apple's is not because Apple,

01:13:08   you know, I can't emphasize enough until you use iOS 7 and I think by the time the show

01:13:12   airs a lot of, you know, there's an awful lot of people who are going to be like one

01:13:16   or two days into iOS 7.

01:13:18   It isn't flat.

01:13:20   It's like the buttons are flat maybe but the actual interaction from the home screen to

01:13:28   app to Notification Center is very three-dimensional. It's layered. And I think it's—and I think that

01:13:35   the transitions, the animations between those layers are just great. And I think it really

01:13:40   shows that they still sweat the details just like they used to when they were making the felt in

01:13:45   Game Center really look as much like felt as they could. It's just a different way.

01:13:50   Yeah, that is a great way to put it. So, you know, do I miss the felt? No, I don't. It's that kind of

01:14:02   interactivity of things like, I like the familiarity of if I'm gonna shred something, I like to see a

01:14:10   shredder. It might be stupid, I know, but I like to see a shredder. I like the shredder too. But,

01:14:16   But they focus on different things now.

01:14:20   And you know what?

01:14:21   If you have the 5S, I'm looking at it right now.

01:14:25   And if you tilt the screen, the background will move.

01:14:30   And all that takes power in the phone

01:14:35   in order to get that done.

01:14:36   So I'm happier than what I thought I would have been.

01:14:42   All right, good enough.

01:14:43   All right, here's a good question.

01:14:44   Totally serious.

01:14:45   This one's from Justin Hicks.

01:14:47   Did the two of you believe Apple has much bigger plans

01:14:50   for the fingerprint scanning technology?

01:14:52   - That's a tough one because right now,

01:15:00   Apple has to be wary of all the security experts out there

01:15:05   and the fact that it's very safe.

01:15:08   But I would think that the fingerprint

01:15:13   would be a great thing to do.

01:15:14   I mean, you can purchase with it.

01:15:16   - Yeah, and so I think, yes,

01:15:19   I think they definitely have bigger plans.

01:15:20   Now, I think like a lot of stuff with Apple,

01:15:23   don't get too caught up on like the next, say,

01:15:28   one, two, three, four months.

01:15:30   You know, take a bigger view.

01:15:31   Maybe, maybe a lot of it won't come out for a year

01:15:34   until iOS 8, but I definitely think

01:15:36   that they have bigger plans for it.

01:15:37   - Yeah.

01:15:39   - So one thing that was missing, it was announced at WWDC

01:15:42   and it was in all of the seeds over summer of iOS 7 was iCloud keychain.

01:15:46   Yeah.

01:15:47   Which I thought was working pretty well for me, is not in iOS 7.0 or that just released

01:15:54   a few hours ago 7.0.1 and they didn't mention it last week.

01:15:58   I heard and I saw a couple other people heard, you know, that it doesn't even seem to be

01:16:03   a secret that it's probably going to come out with Mavericks when Mac OS X Mavericks,

01:16:10   the 10.9 ships in a couple of weeks probably,

01:16:14   and that it'll come back to iOS 7 then.

01:16:17   So it's not that they've abandoned it,

01:16:20   it just wasn't quite ready right now.

01:16:23   - Well, I mean, in actual fact, that's what you need,

01:16:26   if you need Mavericks in order to really share

01:16:28   a lot of this stuff with, so.

01:16:29   - Not true, though, because what if you don't even

01:16:32   have a Mac, what if you just have an iPad and an iPhone?

01:16:35   iCloud Keychain is useful to you right now, today.

01:16:39   So I don't think you need Mavericks, but apparently that's how they're going to – how and when

01:16:44   they're going to demo it.

01:16:45   But anyway, I can't help but think that at some point in the future, iCloud Keychain

01:16:50   combined with Touch ID would be great, right?

01:16:57   OnePassword is a great program, and I hope they have a long future ahead of them.

01:17:01   But built into the OS, wouldn't that be great if like when you need to fill in a password

01:17:06   in a website that you could just do it with your thumb and then the password comes in?

01:17:10   Yeah, absolutely.

01:17:12   I mean, obviously, you know, I'm glad I don't have to be the guy designing the security behind all

01:17:16   that because I used to be pretty good at math like in high school, but I'll tell you what,

01:17:22   I wasn't that good at math. I mean, that's serious, and that's serious pressure too,

01:17:26   because you got to get that right. But, you know, Apple has smart people who can do it,

01:17:30   and I think that'd be a great feature. And, you know, the other big thing everybody is

01:17:34   is sort of speculating about using your phone for payments, you know, go into Starbucks and buy a

01:17:41   coffee and pay for it by putting your thumb on the scanner instead of, you know, like a barcode scan.

01:17:47   Well, and here's something else. Do you allow third party access to that?

01:17:52   I think so too, but that could be the sort of thing where I see it happening in, let's say,

01:17:58   iOS 8 instead of iOS 7. Right. You know, once that they've had a year to shake some stuff out,

01:18:03   but I think yes. I think bottom line, Justin Hicks, I think they have very big plans for

01:18:08   the fingerprint scanning. All right. How about Micah Clements? You find you're using the new

01:18:18   5S camera features in daily use or are they more of a novelty like panorama?

01:18:23   I think burst mode is a daily use thing. I don't, I think for, unless your subjects are like

01:18:30   posing like in front of something and standing completely still, there's no reason not to

01:18:35   shoot a burst. If it's kids moving around or you're shooting like your kids playing

01:18:41   soccer or in your case, like if you were trying to get a still photo of your dog catching

01:18:46   a Frisbee, the burst mode to me is an everyday thing. I think that's why they made it. It's

01:18:52   not a mode. You just hold down the shutter button.

01:18:54   I think Burst Mode to me is a game changer. I know that that's a cliche, but I think it really is. I think it changes the way I'll take. I'll tell you what, it particularly changes, you know, I can't imagine using a third party camera app to shoot photos.

01:19:12   whether I'm going to Instagram it or use some other app to put the filter on. I already shot

01:19:18   most of my photos using the built-in system camera app, but now I'll do it for sure because it's the

01:19:23   only app with burst mode. Yep. Well, and clearly I like the slow-mo feature. I have instances where

01:19:32   that will definitely come in handy for me. You know what I would like to see, and I did point

01:19:38   this out. I would like to see better night shots and low light condition shots.

01:19:42   Yeah. I think that's where they're really running into the physics, you know, that,

01:19:47   yeah, you know, and you don't have to know what f stops are. You don't have to know the difference

01:19:51   between aperture and stuff. It's, you know, it's just simple physics. The bigger the distance

01:19:57   between the glass and the sensor, the more the bigger the glass can be and the more glass there

01:20:02   is, the more light comes in and the bigger the distance, the bigger the sensor itself can be

01:20:07   and a bigger sensor can get a better exposure in low light than a small sensor. Now, compare like

01:20:12   that big honking Canon SLR you saw me with last week to the iPhone 5S. And you see that there are

01:20:20   serious, just simple physical limitations. I mean, it's this tiny little lens and the sensor is only

01:20:27   what's less than a quarter of an inch away. It's amazing that it does as well as it does.

01:20:32   I wouldn't be surprised if they've got, you know, Apple in particular is working on

01:20:37   Truly revolutionary technology in that regard, but the iPhone 5s is not it is improved. It does take better low-light pictures

01:20:44   But it's true as of yet as of 2013

01:20:49   There is no breakthrough technology that lets you take the sort of low-light pictures

01:20:54   You could take with a SLR and a really fast lens

01:20:57   on something this size I

01:21:01   Hate physics

01:21:04   Yeah, I did I was in when I was in London a couple weeks ago. I went out for a walk

01:21:10   it was like midnight went out for a walk and ended up in Trafalgar Square and

01:21:14   Took a nice shot

01:21:18   posted it on Facebook and

01:21:20   When I get back to the hotel later, I looked at it and

01:21:24   It was just it was crap

01:21:27   You know it was all grainy and awful and see this is where me not being a photographer. I look at it and say

01:21:33   That's that's junk no, but I guess there's something called physics that has something to do with that

01:21:41   Here's a good question a lot of people have asked about this so

01:21:45   The big news with the 5c again, it's not an engineering difference. It's a marketing and branding change from prior years

01:22:00   But that alone, that's not to diminish it.

01:22:03   I love marketing and branding.

01:22:04   I think it's as important as an engineering upgrade like the 5S.

01:22:10   But they've clearly split the iPhone into a family of new products, right?

01:22:17   Like the way that MacBooks have the MacBook Airs and the MacBook Pros.

01:22:20   The way that desktops have iMacs and Mac Pros.

01:22:24   So now we have the 5C and the 5S.

01:22:28   Where do you think the names are going to go next year? Presumably, presumably the high-end

01:22:34   one is going to be an iPhone 6, but what, I'm really at a loss. I mean, Apple's naming

01:22:42   often confuses me. I honestly have no idea what to guess. Because I do, I think that

01:22:48   they're going to have, now that they've split it in two, they're going to have, I think

01:22:51   they're going to have two new ones every year.

01:22:53   Well, they pretty much have to.

01:22:55   Right. I think next year we'll see a new high-end phone that replaces the 5S.

01:23:01   Right.

01:23:01   I think we will see a new mid-range phone that replaces the 5C. And my guess is the 5C,

01:23:08   today's 5C, will move down to the free with contract range.

01:23:14   And then, you know—

01:23:15   But what will they call them? I really have no idea. I don't know how to guess.

01:23:19   Yeah. And, you know, they could end up in naming convention trouble every year from now on,

01:23:25   But you know they'll figure something out, but yeah, that's a good. I mean they can't just name it

01:23:30   Well, I suppose they could they could name it the the six and the six C

01:23:34   Or do they go the six C squared?

01:23:38   Here's here's my best guess, but I would not want to wager more than five bucks on it is that they would go to

01:23:46   iPhone 6

01:23:50   Just playing six no letter and that's the new high-end one and that the

01:23:55   the mid-range one stays plastic,

01:23:57   maybe they change up the colors,

01:23:59   and it would be called the iPhone 5CS.

01:24:02   They've gone two letters before, they had the 3GS.

01:24:06   So I don't think it would be unprecedented,

01:24:08   it would be the 5CS.

01:24:10   It would be like an iPhone 5C, but with the A7,

01:24:13   and maybe the better camera with the burst mode in slow-mo.

01:24:17   That's my best guess, but I really don't know.

01:24:20   - Yeah, that's a good guess.

01:24:23   Very hard for me to guess though.

01:24:25   These names really confuse me.

01:24:27   It really almost, it almost makes me happy

01:24:30   that they've, with iPad, they just call 'em all iPad

01:24:33   and we just go, you know, we the writers

01:24:34   have to just go like fourth generation.

01:24:36   - Right. - Yeah.

01:24:37   - I just had one here.

01:24:43   Oh, how about performance?

01:24:47   Seems a little leggy on my current chin iPod touch.

01:24:51   I haven't spent a lot of time with iOS 7 on a… now the iPod Touch is 4S caliber, right?

01:25:03   It's an A5. In fact, I don't even think I installed it on my 4S. I think I kept my

01:25:10   4S running iOS 6. I sort of need my old iPhones now for testing Vesper. Yeah, I've heard

01:25:21   that from other people and in fact a lot of I've heard a couple they even you can

01:25:24   get iPhone iOS 7 on the even on the iPhone 4 no s and I've heard it's really

01:25:29   pretty laggy there and that's that sucks for people who upgrade trusting Apple if

01:25:34   it's true I don't know though personally yeah I I don't know either I've only

01:25:39   installed it on a five five s and 5c and my iPad mini and yeah and my my iPad I

01:25:46   actually my iPad mini is the one that I left at iOS 6 but I'll update that

01:25:51   tonight but it wouldn't be the first time in fact it usually seems to be the

01:25:56   case that whatever the least supported iPhone is for a new version of iOS it's

01:26:00   a little laggy on it yeah yeah so I'd you know not sure what to say about that

01:26:05   that other than sorry if that's what you think let's see here's one from oh

01:26:15   that's a good one this one's from Amy Jane Gruber oh seriously what's the deal

01:26:24   with the ants? What's the deal with the ants in our shower?

01:26:36   I think Montero already answered that one.

01:26:39   Yeah, I guess that one's for me, not for you.

01:26:41   Yeah.

01:26:42   Yeah, I don't know. We've got these little baby ants in our shower, and it doesn't seem

01:26:46   like, you know, I don't know, they seem like immune to pesticide. I'm not sure what the

01:26:50   deal is, though.

01:26:52   Yeah.

01:26:53   Yeah, I mean, you can come up here and shower in Canada.

01:26:59   You know, you can live in an igloo for a while.

01:27:02   No ants.

01:27:03   Hey, what color iPhone 5s did you get?

01:27:06   Gold.

01:27:07   Yeah, so did I. I wonder if everybody...

01:27:09   No, because Anand got black.

01:27:11   Yeah, I noticed that.

01:27:13   What's your take on the gold?

01:27:14   I love the gold.

01:27:16   I really do.

01:27:17   When I first, it was actually a post that you linked to when news of the champagne or

01:27:26   gold first came out, you rightly pointed to the fact that Apple had released gold products

01:27:32   before in an iPad mini, or sorry, iPod mini.

01:27:38   And it was ugly as hell.

01:27:39   Oh my God, that thing was ugly.

01:27:41   I remembered it when I clicked on your link

01:27:45   and I thought, I never wanted one of those.

01:27:47   And I was kind of, I was worried, but I thought,

01:27:52   I gotta give Apple some design credit.

01:27:55   And as soon as I saw it,

01:27:57   I thought that's the one I want, definitely.

01:28:01   So that's what I got.

01:28:03   - Yeah, the gold is, as I wrote,

01:28:06   the gold is not my gripe with it.

01:28:08   I kinda like the gold, it's the white.

01:28:09   I just don't like the white face around any of my iOS devices.

01:28:12   I just like it when it's off to just look like a slab of black.

01:28:16   I wish-- I almost wish that they had four phones, black with space

01:28:21   gray, white with silver, white with gold, and black with the gold.

01:28:25   I think the black with the gold could be a cool look.

01:28:29   You know?

01:28:30   I guess in your parlance, it would be like a Boston Bruins look.

01:28:35   Oh.

01:28:36   Right?

01:28:37   Oh, boy.

01:28:38   That would be--

01:28:38   I need a Boston--

01:28:39   Well, I was going to say Pittsburgh Steelers,

01:28:41   but I was trying to put it in terms that you would understand.

01:28:45   I told Apple I wanted a purple phone.

01:28:47   I want a loop phone.

01:28:49   No, no purple phone.

01:28:50   No, no purple.

01:28:52   What the hell?

01:28:52   Well, but there's-- you know what?

01:28:53   There's clearly, though, once they've-- now

01:28:55   that they've gone plastic with the mid-range,

01:28:57   I think that they're--

01:28:58   whether they'll change the palette every year or not,

01:29:01   I don't know.

01:29:02   But there's almost an infinite range of colors

01:29:04   that they could go to now easily.

01:29:06   True.

01:29:09   It's not a question from a reader, but I didn't really mention this. But I think looking at,

01:29:15   especially in the hands-on area last week where you could look at all five of the 5C

01:29:20   colors together, it's, they're so designed with the color palette of iOS 7 in mind. It's,

01:29:29   you know, I don't know. Like that's the one thing, I know people complain about the icons,

01:29:33   they complain about this and that when iOS 7 first came out, but there were a lot of

01:29:36   of color complaints about the color palette.

01:29:39   And I think as the months have gone on, everybody is sort of--

01:29:42   unless I'm missing something, everybody

01:29:43   has sort of shut up about that.

01:29:45   I feel like they were just-- they're

01:29:48   skating to where the puck was heading in terms

01:29:51   of what colors are in.

01:29:52   Right.

01:29:53   And I think that the hardware and the software

01:29:55   are so clearly from the same design movement.

01:30:00   It's almost unprecedented at Apple.

01:30:04   Maybe the last time that the hardware and software seemed so clearly designed together

01:30:08   was like the original iMacs, those candy translucent plastics combined with the original version

01:30:15   of Mac OS X with all the translucent.

01:30:19   Yeah.

01:30:21   I really like the way that the 5C feels.

01:30:26   It doesn't feel like plastic to me.

01:30:28   No.

01:30:29   It almost feels ceramic.

01:30:31   Or enamel.

01:30:32   Yeah.

01:30:33   Yeah, that's it.

01:30:34   You know, I had the same thought. I have a Lumia 800 from Nokia here, and I think that

01:30:40   they're still making theirs out of the same polycarbonate. Now, they've gone a different

01:30:44   route with their plastic. Theirs has more of a...it's not polished and shiny, it's more

01:30:50   of a matte finish. But it is, without question, the only phone I've held in years that rivals

01:30:59   an iPhone for build quality. And that's a good, you know, the matte is a, you know,

01:31:03   but it's real, just like the 5C, it feels rigid and not like plastic. It feels like

01:31:10   something, I don't know, the word plastic has this cheap connotation that the iPhone

01:31:15   5C doesn't feel like and that the Lumias do not feel like. Even though the iPhones

01:31:21   are very, very glossy, almost super glossy, and the Lumias are the opposite of glossy.

01:31:26   They're matte.

01:31:27   It's two different ways to go but with modern materials.

01:31:30   Whereas I think the old 3G/3GS kind of did feel plasticy in a cheap way.

01:31:36   Yeah, somebody – I wasn't sure if I like the feel of the 5C better than the old ones

01:31:46   or if I was – somebody asked me this yesterday and I said yes, that it felt more sturdy.

01:31:52   But then I responded back again and said, "They're two different shapes."

01:31:57   And when you're – am I convincing myself that the 5C is more sturdy or is it actually

01:32:02   a sturdier phone?

01:32:04   I really do think it is sturdier.

01:32:06   Yeah.

01:32:07   And I guess it will be up to the take apart guys to determine it.

01:32:12   But Apple talked about the fact that it has this rigid steel frame inside, which I don't

01:32:16   think that the 3GS had.

01:32:18   I don't think so.

01:32:19   No.

01:32:20   there's a steel frame inside here that really does add a rigidity to the whole thing that

01:32:27   you didn't have in the 3G/3GS.

01:32:31   You remember I told you that when I went back to the home screen on my 5S that the icons

01:32:40   jumped?

01:32:41   Yeah.

01:32:43   And I didn't put that in my review because I found out what it was.

01:32:48   Oh, what was it?

01:32:49   the background. So to test it, I opened up a folder. So there's no icons really to

01:32:58   jump. Opened up a folder and the background moved. So whether it's the way I'm holding

01:33:03   the phone or maybe I tilt the phone down when I do it. So the background moves and it looked

01:33:11   like the icons were moving. So it looked like a little video glitch or something when you

01:33:17   you went back to the thing,

01:33:20   when you went back to the home screen.

01:33:22   So, yeah.

01:33:23   - Hey, did you try the motion, what do they call them?

01:33:27   The moving wallpapers?

01:33:29   - Yeah.

01:33:29   - Are you using one?

01:33:33   - I was using one up until last night.

01:33:36   I had the little, you know, the little bubbles.

01:33:40   And then I put a planet on there instead.

01:33:43   - I found it a little distracting.

01:33:45   - Yeah.

01:33:46   - I did use it for a day though,

01:33:47   it didn't seem to have any adverse effect on battery life.

01:33:50   - It did not.

01:33:51   - I think that makes maybe even a lot of sense,

01:33:55   because who spends a lot of time

01:33:56   with their home screen open?

01:33:59   Right, it should only affect the battery life

01:34:01   while the home screen's open,

01:34:02   and who really has the display on the home screen

01:34:04   for more than a few seconds at a time?

01:34:07   - It's true. - It's nice.

01:34:09   - But we don't know what's going on

01:34:10   in the background either.

01:34:11   - Right. - Maybe it is

01:34:12   doing something.

01:34:12   - It's also interesting to me

01:34:14   that the default wallpapers are not,

01:34:16   They've added this feature now where we have motion wallpapers, but none of the default

01:34:20   wallpapers are moving.

01:34:23   That's a little interesting to me, because usually if you're going to add something like

01:34:26   that, you're going to use it by default.

01:34:28   I'm looking at it now.

01:34:31   I have the star system or whatever it is, and it's moving.

01:34:36   Yeah, well, I don't have the motion.

01:34:40   I mean, they look okay, but I don't like them.

01:34:45   I like the monochrome ones. I like the real – I feel like with the brighter and more

01:34:48   vibrant icons, having like a monochromatic background really makes the icons pop.

01:34:53   Tom Bilyeu: I'm going to try that. You don't like them, but you have ants in your shower

01:34:57   too.

01:34:58   John Greenewald Exactly. Here's Jeff Schwab on Twitter. He

01:35:00   says, "These ants never would have infiltrated the shower if Steve Jobs were still in charge.

01:35:06   Thanks Obama." Yeah, I guess he's right. It wouldn't have happened if Steve Jobs

01:35:11   were still around.

01:35:12   Let's see here.

01:35:16   Oh, here's, who built the A7 processor?

01:35:20   Ooh, good question. Anand thinks it's Samsung.

01:35:24   Even though we're all sort of, there's so much speculation that this is the year that Apple's finally broken away

01:35:28   from Samsung as their CPU maker. His best guess is Samsung.

01:35:32   And it'd be really tough for me to bet against Anand.

01:35:36   Yeah, I wouldn't bet against him. Because then he would call and ask me a question about a processor

01:35:40   something, I'd have to hang up on them.

01:35:41   So, my guess is I think it's Samsung because Anand says so, but I'm hoping it's that

01:35:46   TSMC because the hell with Samsung.

01:35:49   That would be very cool.

01:35:50   Yeah.

01:35:51   But we'll find out.

01:35:53   I guess we'll find out tomorrow night because those iFixit guys, they're – I love those

01:35:57   guys.

01:35:58   Yeah.

01:35:59   Because they fly.

01:36:00   They don't live there.

01:36:01   They fly.

01:36:02   They book tickets to go to Australia.

01:36:04   At least they have in past years.

01:36:06   I don't know if they're doing it this year, but the last few years, they book tickets

01:36:08   to go to Australia because that is where the international date line is. That's where

01:36:13   the iPhone first goes on sale, to get one first and start. They have it like taken apart

01:36:18   before 8 a.m. Eastern time in the U.S. even rolls around. So, hopefully we'll find out

01:36:25   some answers on that, probably within about 24 hours. But I don't know what to guess.

01:36:31   There's no, I have no information. I asked around a little bit and got zero answer. Apple

01:36:36   just does not talk about the suppliers.

01:36:39   Even if they know that iFixit's gonna take this thing apart

01:36:43   in 48 hours, they won't tell you off the record.

01:36:45   They just do not talk about it.

01:36:47   - Absolutely not.

01:36:48   - Right.

01:36:49   - There's actually a good follow-up here.

01:36:52   How does Touch ID work when you swipe over

01:36:54   a specific notification?

01:36:56   So when, in other words, you're on the home screen

01:37:01   and your phone is locked and there's one email out of 10

01:37:05   that you want to read, if you swipe on that email and you're and you put it'll bring up the,

01:37:13   you know, the pad, the passcode, the passcode, and then you just rest your thumb on the,

01:37:20   on the sensor and the fingerprint sensor and it'll open up directly into that message,

01:37:25   right? Swipe it first, like you ordinarily would. And then instead of entering the code,

01:37:29   you do the thing. Also, a nice touch on touch ID, if you by habit start entering your passcode

01:37:37   and then think, "Oh, wait. Why am I doing this?" You've entered like two out of the

01:37:40   four digits. Why am I doing this? You touch the home button, it still works. You don't

01:37:44   have – yeah. It just – and the animation fills in the dots on your code, which I think

01:37:50   is a nice touch.

01:37:51   - Yeah, so that was Daniel Middlecote that asked that one.

01:37:55   That's actually a good one.

01:38:00   I found that one out by mistake.

01:38:02   'Cause I often do that.

01:38:03   You get a message and I wanna read it.

01:38:06   I'll go directly to that one.

01:38:07   - Yeah, it's actually very much the same as it was

01:38:09   when you used the passcode.

01:38:11   You just do the touch IT once you get

01:38:13   to the passcode screen.

01:38:15   Whereas if you just wanna open the iPhone,

01:38:17   you don't even have to get to the passcode screen.

01:38:19   You just turn the phone on and touch the sensor.

01:38:22   - Yep.

01:38:23   - Let's see.

01:38:25   - And in case anybody is wondering,

01:38:27   you can add multiple fingerprints to the iPhone.

01:38:31   - Yes, up to five.

01:38:32   And they don't have to, you know,

01:38:33   obviously they don't all have to be yours.

01:38:36   Like I wrote, you could do both your thumbs,

01:38:38   both index fingers, and let your spouse add one,

01:38:42   just for emergency purposes.

01:38:47   If you had a yellow iPhone 5C and a banana,

01:38:51   which would you put in your pants?

01:38:52   (laughing)

01:38:55   - I think it's easy.

01:38:56   I think you put one in the right pocket

01:38:58   and one in the left pocket.

01:38:59   - Yeah, it seems easy to me.

01:39:02   Thank you, Mike Hay.

01:39:03   - Great question from Thomas Richards.

01:39:06   Fingerprint scanner on iPad, yes or no?

01:39:09   I'm gonna say this year's iPad, yes or no?

01:39:12   That's a good question.

01:39:15   - I say yes.

01:39:16   I'm gonna say I hope so but I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is no you

01:39:24   know I and I wonder here's and here's why I say that is just because of that

01:39:28   mantra of our most forward-thinking iPhone yet you know and forward-thinking

01:39:34   forward-thinking they keep saying that which makes me wonder if how much that

01:39:38   some of this stuff isn't coming to other iOS devices until next year well I will

01:39:44   say this just just to be perfectly clear I know nothing about you know a fingerprint

01:39:50   thing on on the new iPad but I'll go yes because I think even though the iPhone is

01:39:58   the most forward-thinking product they've known about it for some time and I think that

01:40:03   they would have built that in.

01:40:06   Yeah and it could be too that it maybe it appears on the full-size iPad but not the

01:40:10   iPad mini or you know or some other way that they will tear the iPad similarly

01:40:16   where the lower price models don't have it but the higher priced ones do. Like I

01:40:20   can see that. Here's another thing I heard today this is scuttlebutt this is

01:40:24   not from like this is like secondhand but it does make sense is that the 64

01:40:30   bit and the ARM v8 that whole move on the a7 had to happen for touch ID that

01:40:40   Touch ID can only work with the ARMv8 and 64-bit. They couldn't do Touch ID until they

01:40:48   did that. And the explanation, I think, is because one of the performance advantages

01:40:54   of ARMv8 is that the instruction set now has cryptographic shortcuts, that some of the,

01:41:01   you know, common cryptographic algorithms are built into the CPU. So instead of actually

01:41:08   computing the math the traditional way. It's just a shortcut where if your code needs to

01:41:14   do AES 256-bit encryption, it's an instruction code right on the processor, and it just goes

01:41:22   through. And so that's one of those things that helps make Touch ID instantaneous, because

01:41:30   none of this stuff is – I can't emphasize this enough – there are no pictures of your

01:41:38   thumbprint or fingerprint stored anywhere.

01:41:41   It's an encrypted ID where your thumbprint is part of what makes the ID, but that the

01:41:48   whole thing gets computed instantly.

01:41:50   So I don't know if that's true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it is true,

01:41:55   and that touch ID will only appear as devices get the A7 system on a chip.

01:42:03   I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in fact, what's the point of making new iPads?

01:42:08   year if at least the high-end ones don't go to the A7. And so if they go to the A7, who

01:42:12   knows? Maybe the touch ID sensor is not that relatively expensive, and so maybe it's a

01:42:17   no-brainer. Yeah, of course the iPad's going to get it.

01:42:20   I just think it will. And maybe it'll be some layering of how they do it. But the way that

01:42:28   they did it, if you look at next year, they have the 5CS, as you mentioned earlier, then

01:42:36   And it'll definitely get it.

01:42:38   Yeah, this one gets it because it's already--

01:42:40   so it worked out perfectly for me.

01:42:42   Yeah, so anyway, I think our answer is probably slash

01:42:47   hopefully this year for the iPad,

01:42:49   and definitely eventually next year at the latest,

01:42:52   the iPad will definitely have Touch ID.

01:42:53   Touch ID will within two years will be on all iPhones

01:42:56   and iPads, no doubt.

01:42:58   Yeah.

01:42:59   It's absolutely the future of logging into your device.

01:43:04   Here's the thing I was told by Apple, and I believe it, is that over the course of developing

01:43:09   Touch ID, they actually had to dial back the places where you still have to enter your

01:43:14   passcode and your store ID because they realized that if you never had to enter it, you'd

01:43:21   forget it.

01:43:23   Right?

01:43:25   That you only get to use Touch ID if you set up a passcode or password or passphrase if

01:43:30   you want the longer one for your phone.

01:43:32   But if they let you log into it without ever having to use it, like for example, if you

01:43:36   turn your power your phone all the way off and then power it on, you have to enter the

01:43:39   code.

01:43:40   You have to enter a code before you can log in using your thumb.

01:43:44   And they had it set up at some point where you could just, once you set up the thumb,

01:43:47   you could always use the thumb, but they realized that the people who did that, they forgot

01:43:51   their passcodes.

01:43:52   It's kind of funny.

01:43:53   That is kind of funny.

01:43:55   And you know what?

01:43:56   I went to buy something on the App Store and it asked me for to manually put in my my passcode

01:44:03   Even though I had activated the purchase by thumb. So what's what's it been like a week?

01:44:10   Maybe maybe it pops up every now and then and yeah, I'm not sure what the I'm not sure what the rule is on that

01:44:16   If it's a timing thing or what? Yeah

01:44:18   My friend that irons asked I know he asked yesterday

01:44:22   Can the Verizon iPhone walk and chew gum at the same time?

01:44:26   meaning when you're on a

01:44:30   Phone call do you can you still get LTE date?

01:44:33   Can you get LTE data or does it drop back to edge and the bad news is I've tested this it

01:44:37   Cannot it's still if when you're on a cell phone call on Verizon

01:44:42   Data drops to edge. Oh, that's too bad

01:44:46   Well, you know but good thing for me I don't

01:44:51   I don't make a lot of voice calls.

01:44:55   - Yeah, we don't anymore, do we?

01:44:56   - Yeah, and you know what's interesting?

01:44:57   Now that iOS 7's out and everybody I know

01:44:59   is gonna upgrade, I'm interested to know

01:45:01   how many of the voice calls I do make

01:45:04   will go as voice-only FaceTime calls.

01:45:08   And A, the quality should be way better.

01:45:12   And B, because that's just data,

01:45:14   it'll still be, it'll still have,

01:45:17   it'll solve that problem.

01:45:18   If you make a voice-only FaceTime call

01:45:20   instead of an official phone call,

01:45:23   you'll work around that problem.

01:45:27   But no, Verizon users,

01:45:28   'cause my test units were both on Verizon.

01:45:30   No, the Verizon doesn't work yet.

01:45:33   - It's funny, when you look at voice calls,

01:45:38   I mean, it's to the point now where,

01:45:41   my daughter, she's 20,

01:45:43   she thinks that something's,

01:45:47   catastrophe must have happened

01:45:49   if there's an actual voice call,

01:45:50   why wouldn't you just text?

01:45:52   My son won't even answer his phone.

01:45:54   - My wife never answers her phone.

01:45:57   I've been lucky if she answered it for me.

01:45:58   Anybody else calls her?

01:45:59   Nobody.

01:46:00   She just, she never answers her phone

01:46:02   and never listens to voicemail.

01:46:03   - Nice.

01:46:04   - She's got like a red badge on her phone app

01:46:06   that says like 147.

01:46:08   - Love it.

01:46:09   - Hey, I have a question for you.

01:46:12   So I guess Apple, I never thought about this,

01:46:13   but your review units, are they,

01:46:17   They're set up for like Bell Canada or whatever the hell you have up there?

01:46:20   No, I actually have, I've had an AT&T account for about 15 years.

01:46:25   Oh, and that just works?

01:46:27   Yeah, yeah.

01:46:28   I did not know that.

01:46:30   Here's a question from Joan Bone.

01:46:33   Hone Bone? I'm not quite sure how to pronounce his name.

01:46:36   He just updated to iOS 7.

01:46:40   The launch and close app animations.

01:46:42   Time waster? Ways to turn off?

01:46:45   Sorry if obvious, haven't looked yet. As far as I know, there is no way to turn them off. I don't know.

01:46:51   Maybe in accessibility. I don't know if there's like a seasickness setting or something like that.

01:46:55   But I don't think they're time wasters. I guess some people are annoyed by them, but I think that they're pleasant because to me they give you a sense of place in the OS.

01:47:07   I like them.

01:47:08   So now I like them too and it's a multitasking love multitasking.

01:47:14   Yeah, you know the way that you go into it the way that you get out of it.

01:47:19   Yeah, the way it's sort of like a half.

01:47:21   There's like the home screen and when you're in an app, which is full screen and multitasking exists like halfway in between the two which I think is perfect conceptually.

01:47:31   What was it that did that web OS had these kind of?

01:47:37   multitasking like this?

01:47:39   Yes.

01:47:40   I thought it was great.

01:47:42   Yeah, it's very serious. And it's, you know, and like flicking the things to close them is kind of fun.

01:47:46   Same thing with flicking the tabs in Safari to close them.

01:47:49   Right on. Yeah.

01:47:50   Here's a question from Dave Addy.

01:47:52   Good friend. I met him at Webstock this year too.

01:47:57   Great app developer.

01:47:58   Smart guy.

01:47:59   Given the scale of changes needed to support iOS 7, when will Apple stop accepting apps linked against iOS 6?

01:48:09   Let me think about that. I think...

01:48:13   It's going to be pretty immediate, I think.

01:48:16   No, no. In other words, they might stop accepting iOS 6 only apps, ones that aren't native for 7, but...

01:48:26   But when would they stop accepting apps that also support 6?

01:48:31   You know, when are they going to...

01:48:33   I think that might be a ways off, honestly.

01:48:36   I do, because I think that there are...

01:48:39   Even though...

01:48:41   Even though I expect, you know, just like with iOS 6, which reached like 95% of the iOS installed base,

01:48:49   I expect iOS 7 to, within a few months, be running on 90+% of iOS devices.

01:48:55   at which point I think a reasonable developer could say,

01:48:59   "I'm just going to erase the hassles of supporting both and just go iOS 7 only."

01:49:03   There are institutions that, even though that makes sense to me, I think

01:49:07   that culturally there are places where they're like, "No, no, no, we want everybody,

01:49:11   so we're going to still link to iOS 6 or iOS 5 even, or something like that."

01:49:15   So I think it'll be a while before Apple doesn't let you

01:49:19   do that. But I think, conversely, let me flip the question around,

01:49:23   I don't think developers should hesitate to go iOS 7 only I

01:49:28   Don't mean I think eliminates hassles. I don't think you lose many users

01:49:33   I think the users you do lose are not your best customers and there are so many cool things in iOS 7 like text kit

01:49:40   that

01:49:43   It just makes sense and you know you can't use it you can't really go you can't dive into text kit and still support iOS 6

01:49:51   Yeah, and the background updates if you have an app that loads content from the web

01:49:56   I mean, there's so much stuff iOS 7 is such a great update. Yeah, I

01:49:59   Think developers shouldn't wait for Apple to make them drop iOS 6 just drop it and go ahead. I

01:50:05   Couldn't agree more I've said that you know about every major update, you know, how far back should we go?

01:50:12   it really it depends on on what kind of cool features you want to offer your users as a developer and

01:50:21   you know, as a user, I want you to make the best app you can.

01:50:24   If that means you're going iOS 7 only, do it.

01:50:27   - Yeah.

01:50:28   - Give me the absolute best that you can.

01:50:29   - And I think that's what iPhone customers want.

01:50:32   - Yeah. - I really do.

01:50:33   I think that's the reason they picked iPhones

01:50:35   in the first place.

01:50:36   - Yep.

01:50:37   - Please advise on bling or gunmetal spacey color.

01:50:41   Thanks guys, can't wait for the show.

01:50:43   That's from Rob Richmond.

01:50:44   Well, I mean, you know, it's really hard to recommend that

01:50:46   without, you know, for people who wanna order at midnight

01:50:49   without having seen them in person,

01:50:52   'cause I wanna get an ASAP, you know.

01:50:54   You're gonna have to go with your gut.

01:50:56   All I can say about the gold, you really like it.

01:50:58   All I can say, it's as nice as gold could be.

01:51:01   The gold wouldn't keep me from getting it.

01:51:03   And if I were going to get one,

01:51:04   if somebody said to me, "You can't get black.

01:51:06   "You have to get one of the two with the white face,"

01:51:08   I'd go with the gold, just because I think it looks cool

01:51:11   and it's kinda new.

01:51:12   - But all of them look great. - It is not winging,

01:51:15   yeah, it doesn't look like Donald Trump's phone.

01:51:17   - Right, yeah.

01:51:18   And that's part of what I was afraid of.

01:51:20   - Right.

01:51:20   Me personally, I like the Black though.

01:51:23   And I think the Black is a really nice upgrade

01:51:25   over last year's, which I still like.

01:51:27   And that was my phone last year.

01:51:29   The best way I can put it, I'm not the only person

01:51:32   who's observed this.

01:51:33   To me, and this is, I haven't seen the Black one in a week.

01:51:36   I haven't seen it since I was in the hands-on area

01:51:38   last week in Cupertino.

01:51:40   But in hindsight, and I studied it a lot there,

01:51:44   it really reminds me of the original iPhone,

01:51:46   2007 one with the black face and the black plastic on the back for the antenna and that

01:51:51   silver sort of metal back. Instead of being black colored, it's dark metal colored.

01:51:59   If you like black phones, you're going to love the space gray one.

01:52:02   Yeah, I agree. None of them look bad. Now, if you took five of those gold ones and put

01:52:09   them around your neck on a chain, yeah, okay, bling it.

01:52:13   Yeah, somebody's got to do that. Somebody has got to do that eventually. You could get

01:52:16   it blingy. You could definitely bling it up a little.

01:52:19   Yeah, but it's not – you don't look at it and say, "Oh, God, really? Do I have

01:52:24   to go out with that?" Let's see. Also, the video shot at 120 frames per second.

01:52:34   Can it export playback at 120 frames per second? I don't know. I think it would if you – like

01:52:42   If you share it, I could be wrong here.

01:52:46   This is from Eric VanQuil Esquire.

01:52:49   It doesn't really look like an Esquire, judging by his Twitter ID, but I'll give it to him.

01:52:56   Classy guy. Anybody with Esquire after it, I'll answer your question.

01:52:59   I think the way it works is if you export through the sharing menu,

01:53:04   it's going to down sample to 30 frames per second and turn the slow-mo.

01:53:09   the slow mo, you know, it'll all be 30 frames per second. I think if you just connect it as a USB

01:53:14   device and use, you know, iPhoto or image capture or whatever, whatever that thing is, the

01:53:20   thing that just sucks photos off a camera.

01:53:24   Yeah, a camera, the camera app.

01:53:27   Yeah. What's it called?

01:53:29   Capture.

01:53:31   Yeah. It'll come off as just the raw data, so it will come off, I think, as 120 frames per second.

01:53:38   I can't imagine that it wouldn't it'll just you know I

01:53:40   Actually didn't do that. I'm trying to log in and look for the

01:53:46   For the movie that I posted

01:53:50   So I can see what it is, but we'll be moved on by the time I get there all right

01:53:56   Any issues with battery life on the iPhone 5?

01:54:00   Ours technica tests show it's way worse, and I've had similar issues

01:54:05   I presume that means with an old iPhone 5 upgraded to iOS 7.

01:54:10   I haven't done extensive testing.

01:54:12   Like I said though, I've been running iOS 7 on my main iPhone all summer long, since

01:54:16   beta 3, I think since July.

01:54:20   I didn't notice any real difference.

01:54:22   No improvement, no worsening of battery life over the summer.

01:54:26   And I did a lot of vacations and traveling over summer, so I actually used my iPhone

01:54:31   a lot and didn't have any problems.

01:54:33   But I don't doubt if Ars Technica has tests that show that it's worse. I don't know.

01:54:38   But I didn't think it was bad.

01:54:39   I actually did have some problems starting off, but that was one of the betas. To be

01:54:51   honest, I didn't really worry about it.

01:54:53   I had one, and I guess I should say I had one. Again, I just chalked this up to being

01:54:57   I had one last month where I got the 20% warning.

01:55:02   It's like the first time I got the warning, I said, "Hey, warning, you're down to 20%."

01:55:06   And the battery went red, and then the phone shut down.

01:55:10   You know, like when you get to zero, literally about 30 seconds later.

01:55:15   Like it went from 20 to zero in 30 seconds, and I thought, "Wow, that's scary."

01:55:20   And I charged it up, and then ever since, I never saw that happen again.

01:55:24   But that to me is what happens when you install a beta on your phone.

01:55:27   Well exactly, and since I, with the 5S, I noticed a lot better battery life with the updated version of iOS 7.

01:55:39   Because you don't know what's on in the background in these betas.

01:55:42   I mean they could have debugging stuff, they could have all kinds of stuff going on.

01:55:47   Yeah, and I think it probably matters too as to what else you have turned on.

01:55:50   turned on. What apps have you granted location tracking privileges to? What apps have – do

01:55:55   you have Bluetooth on and what are you allowing to connect to you by Bluetooth?

01:56:00   I have – I bought one of those Pebble watches and I really didn't like it. I didn't

01:56:06   write about it just because – well, maybe I will when I speculate more about watches

01:56:11   in the future. But anyway, long story short though, I definitely noticed and didn't

01:56:15   see anybody else complaining about it. I definitely noticed that just pairing the Pebble watch

01:56:19   with my iPhone really hurt battery life on my phone.

01:56:22   And it was, you know, I don't get a lot of phone calls

01:56:24   or texts all day, so it wasn't like there were tons

01:56:26   of notifications going back and forth.

01:56:28   Just pairing them, I noticed a noticeable difference.

01:56:31   So, I guess it depends on what you've got.

01:56:33   - Yeah.

01:56:34   - I tend to keep a lot of things off,

01:56:36   and I don't even have my email check in the background.

01:56:39   I haven't, I've, like, for five or six years,

01:56:41   I just, I check email when I open the mail app.

01:56:44   - Wow.

01:56:45   Yeah, I have that stuff on.

01:56:47   I have Wi-Fi on. Bluetooth, I turn off when I'm traveling.

01:56:53   Yeah. You do need Bluetooth for AirDrop, though. That's a reason to keep Bluetooth on.

01:56:58   True. But I think if you just turn Bluetooth on

01:57:00   but don't pair anything and just wait and use it for AirDrop, it shouldn't really have

01:57:03   much of an effect. That's true. To get back to Esquire's question,

01:57:10   The videos that I exported from my phone using slow-mo,

01:57:14   exported in H.264,

01:57:17   568 by 320, FPS 30.

01:57:21   - What'd you use to export them?

01:57:29   - The iPhone.

01:57:29   - Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

01:57:31   And I think if you connect it to the,

01:57:34   what's that app called again?

01:57:37   God damn it.

01:57:38   Image Capture.

01:57:39   Yeah, then I think they'll come off as just the raw 120 frames per second video and the the data rate was 826

01:57:47   per second so

01:57:50   You know it's not a high def movie, but that's not what they were going for either

01:57:56   Yeah, here's another question same guy Eric van quill esquire does the flashlight light up both LEDs yes

01:58:03   How hard is the leather case to remove not too hard, but I found kind of hard

01:58:09   Because I've even put it on I did because when I was walking around the first few days

01:58:14   especially when I was still in San Francisco where

01:58:16   More people know me and and more people are tech savvy

01:58:20   I did not want anybody to ask me about the goddamn gold iPhone like the rules of reviewing it are

01:58:26   You're allowed they want you to use it

01:58:29   I mean, it's not like you, you know, I'd get you get in any trouble if somebody says hey John Gruber has a gold iPhone

01:58:34   I saw you're supposed to use it. You're not supposed to show it off

01:58:37   You can't let other people touch it. I just didn't even want to bother with it.

01:58:41   I thought putting in a case would just make sure, and I wanted to try the case. I found it a little

01:58:45   hard to take out off, though. But I think in a good way where it's on solid. The rubbery case,

01:58:51   the silicone case for the 5C is really easy to get on and off, though, because it's stretchy,

01:58:59   as opposed to the leather one. And does the flashlight light up both? Yes, it does.

01:59:06   Here's Ryan Jones. Ryan Jones asks, "Predict 5S sellout time. One minute."

01:59:12   I don't think it's going to-- I think it's going to be very constrained.

01:59:17   Yeah. Although, you know, what is sellout? Like, if it, you know, it's going to drop--

01:59:22   I think it's going to drop to, you know, two weeks very quickly. Because who knows? I mean,

01:59:29   it doesn't even go on sale to the 20th. Who knows what the first person who gets their order in,

01:59:33   Who knows what the delivery time is? Apple hasn't said for online stuff. I mean, obviously,

01:59:40   if you really want one on the 20th, the only way to do it is to get in line at an Apple

01:59:45   store.

01:59:46   Right.

01:59:47   I saw a thing yesterday where I think All Things D had a report from carriers that said

01:59:50   that they got like a ridiculously small shipment of 5 S's. Well, don't forget that Tim Cook

01:59:57   even said, I mean, this isn't speculation. Tim Cook said specifically earlier this year

02:00:01   that they would like to sell a higher proportion of iPhones through their own stores. You know,

02:00:07   that the carriers got fewer doesn't mean that Apple stores will have fewer.

02:00:12   That's exactly right.

02:00:13   Right.

02:00:14   Yeah, I mean, people read the worst into this stuff and it's not always the worst.

02:00:20   It is going to be tight though. There's no doubt in my mind. And that's – I know

02:00:23   for a fact that's why they didn't take preorders of it because it's going to be

02:00:26   tighter. It's harder to make. And who knows what the reason is. Is it the A7? Is it the

02:00:30   the touch ID sensor, is it both?

02:00:34   Who knows, but it's new, it's new components,

02:00:37   they're in demand.

02:00:41   - It could be something as simple as they made

02:00:42   a last minute change.

02:00:44   - Yes, yeah.

02:00:45   - And had to start over.

02:00:49   - Yeah, but if you want one on day one

02:00:53   and you wanna get up early and go to a retail store,

02:00:55   don't think that hey, everybody's gonna go

02:00:58   the Apple store so I'll go to Verizon or AT&T or Sprint or whatever and beat the lines.

02:01:04   I think that's the wrong way to do it. I think if you really want one on day one, your best

02:01:07   bet is to bite the bullet and get up in the middle of the night and get in line at your

02:01:10   local Apple store because the Apple store is going to have a lot more than the carriers.

02:01:14   Mad Fientist Agreed.

02:01:18   Hmm, is Apple done with skeuomorphic design for good?

02:01:22   I don't know. Is there room for iOS eg iBooks?

02:01:27   I'll tell you what, this year I expect a new version of iBooks

02:01:31   probably at the iPad event. I'm surprised we didn't get it already.

02:01:35   I guess maybe they're waiting for the iPad event. I don't know.

02:01:38   But I would be shocked if they don't redesign iBooks along the lines of newsstand

02:01:43   where they get rid of this skeuomorphism.

02:01:46   Is it gone for good?

02:01:48   Ah, I mean, you know, forever is a long time, and, you know, fashion moves in cycles.

02:01:53   Yeah, I hope it's not.

02:01:57   I think it'll start coming back in small doses, you know.

02:02:00   I think part of what brought the end of it was that it was taken to its, like, logical conclusion, where it couldn't get any more skeuomorphic, right?

02:02:11   Like with retina to screens and the incredible color fidelity of these iOS devices, you know,

02:02:19   it couldn't get anymore.

02:02:20   So I think it was taken to an extreme and then they, you know, dialed it back.

02:02:23   I think that, you know, it's almost like a dial that went all the way around to zero

02:02:28   and now it'll start ticking up the other way again, I guess.

02:02:31   Yep.

02:02:32   I hope so.

02:02:33   I don't want to see them get rid of it altogether.

02:02:36   It's so hard to detect fashion trends in the short term.

02:02:39   You have to kind of take a long-term look.

02:02:41   - Yeah.

02:02:42   - Let's see.

02:02:46   I might be wrapping up.

02:02:48   You see any other good questions?

02:02:50   - I don't.

02:02:51   - Sorry if I missed your good question.

02:02:53   I'm sure that it was great and it's my fault

02:02:55   that I missed it if you're out there

02:02:57   and you did send a question.

02:02:59   What do you think of the new notification center?

02:03:05   I think it, I find it to be very useful.

02:03:08   I think the reorganization of it is better to me.

02:03:12   - I like Notification Center on iOS and the Mac.

02:03:17   - Yeah. - I find it to be

02:03:19   a very useful feature.

02:03:20   It's another one of those things

02:03:21   that fixes a pain point for me.

02:03:25   You know, one that I didn't really know

02:03:26   that there was a fix for.

02:03:28   I can be working on either iOS or macOS

02:03:33   and get a notification, just glance up and see,

02:03:36   okay, it's nothing I have to worry about,

02:03:38   and then keep working instead of stopping going to email

02:03:41   and saying, oh, is that the email from Gruber

02:03:44   I was waiting for?

02:03:45   No, it's not, then go back.

02:03:46   And you kind of lose your train.

02:03:50   The momentum is gone at that point,

02:03:52   especially if you get a lot of email or tweets or whatever.

02:03:55   So I love it.

02:03:56   - Yeah.

02:03:58   Here's Marcus Mendez asks, if iOS 7 and Touch ID

02:04:01   might be a way to seamlessly switch between profiles,

02:04:04   and then there's a URL, I don't have time to read it,

02:04:06   but I'm guessing what he means is sort of like

02:04:08   multiple user accounts. I would say Touch ID maybe, but not with iOS 7. iOS 7 is clearly

02:04:15   still like all previous versions of iOS, a single user OS. At some point in the future,

02:04:20   could it switch to a multi-user's thing and could it be tied to like for let's say like

02:04:25   a school system with some kind of cloud storage so that any kid could pick up any iPad in

02:04:32   the classroom and use their fingerprint to get their stuff?

02:04:36   I think I'm a cool. Yeah, I think sure I don't think it's an ios 7 thing though

02:04:40   I think that's you know in the future, but it's the sort of cool thing that touch ID could could

02:04:45   Could foreshadow yeah

02:04:48   There's a here's an interesting one

02:04:50   Daniel Reed I plan to use my 5s as a completely on the tethered device never sink over USB pros and cons I

02:04:59   Think that's how I use mine now. Yeah, you know what I will I'm gonna jump in on our own

02:05:05   And I'm going to say that I find restoring from an iCloud backup to be a pain in the

02:05:10   ass.

02:05:11   Really?

02:05:12   Yeah, because it seems to me like I'm never quite done downloading all the apps.

02:05:16   You know, like first it downloads your data, but doesn't download your apps.

02:05:20   The apps then come back from the store, not from the backup.

02:05:24   And it doesn't get them all.

02:05:25   At least it didn't for me.

02:05:26   Yeah, I did do my 5S like that through an iCloud backup in the hotel.

02:05:33   And there were some apps, yeah, that it didn't download.

02:05:36   I wasn't too concerned about the apps because they were trying.

02:05:40   I don't even know what happened because it should be downloading them from iCloud because

02:05:44   they were purchased apps.

02:05:45   Well, no, the way that it works, though, is your iCloud—and this is smart in some ways—where

02:05:49   the apps don't count against your backup because, hey, why bother?

02:05:53   We're not going to take up your precious 20 gigs or whatever you've paid for of iCloud

02:05:57   storage for apps because we've got them in the store.

02:06:00   It's like a two-step process where the first step is your data, which is the most important

02:06:05   thing, and then it syncs apps and downloads them from the store.

02:06:07   And the same thing with music that you've bought with iTunes Match.

02:06:11   It's like a separate process, but there's no good indication of how far along it is

02:06:15   in restoring it.

02:06:16   And just like you, I get these review units while I'm traveling to San Francisco and

02:06:21   I'm stuck on hotel Wi-Fi.

02:06:25   It's good enough to get my data and stuff like my email accounts reconfigured in mail,

02:06:30   which alone is a huge convenience.

02:06:32   You don't have to set up four different email accounts and type it all in.

02:06:37   But to actually download the apps, it's sort of a pain in the ass.

02:06:39   But in general, that's mostly how I use mine.

02:06:44   The only time I ever even think about connecting my iPhone to a USB is to back up and restore

02:06:49   just to get all the apps quicker than I can download them from iTunes.

02:06:53   Yeah, I don't have Wi-Fi sync on anymore.

02:06:56   I don't have, I remember being excited about

02:06:59   Wi-Fi sync, I don't even use it anymore.

02:07:02   Yeah.

02:07:02   I don't use, obviously, you plug it in to charge

02:07:07   it, because my computer is always with me when

02:07:10   I'm at home, it's very convenient.

02:07:12   So I plug it in to charge it, but nothing

02:07:14   happens in iTunes.

02:07:16   You know, it pops up in iTunes, but it

02:07:18   doesn't sync, you know, that's off.

02:07:21   So it just, it's iCloud all the time.

02:07:25   I don't even do anything.

02:07:27   - Yeah, but anyway, I think it's certainly the future,

02:07:30   and I think you'll probably do well

02:07:32   doing it like that today.

02:07:33   - Yeah.

02:07:34   - Here's a quick question from Zach Kahn, good question.

02:07:36   Any word on why AirDrop only works iOS to iOS

02:07:40   and not iOS to iOS or Mac?

02:07:43   My best guess, I do not have an answer,

02:07:45   but my best guess is just wait.

02:07:49   I think it will. I think it's almost inevitable that it will work. I can't imagine that they'd

02:07:53   give the feature the same name and not have them work together yet.

02:07:56   Yeah.

02:07:57   I don't know what technical problem, you know, has kept them from getting it to work together

02:08:01   yet.

02:08:02   Yeah, it just seems like an obvious thing.

02:08:07   I think that's about it. Here's one last question. It's from Christine Gambrel. I think this

02:08:13   question is for you. Why are you so perfect?

02:08:18   You know, I get asked that a lot and it's hard for me to explain.

02:08:28   I think that that question would probably be best asked of Monique and Amy Jane.

02:08:35   And I wouldn't want to be around for the answer.

02:08:37   Darrell Bock Yeah, you've never smelled all the farts

02:08:40   in my office.

02:08:41   I'm not perfect.

02:08:42   [Laughter]

02:08:43   Dave Asprey I'm gorgeous, but I don't know if I'm

02:08:46   perfect.

02:08:47   for Jim. Why are you so gorgeous? Or even better, somebody else asked, I can't remember his name,

02:08:51   somebody asked, "How come your laugh is not one of the new ringtones?"

02:08:55   Jim Dalrymple See? It should be a purple phone with a laugh for a ringtone.

02:09:00   John "Slick" Baum: Yeah.

02:09:00   Jim Dalrymple Apple would sell like 50 million of them.

02:09:04   But no, they don't listen to me.

02:09:08   John "Slick" Baum Yeah, they don't know what they're doing.

02:09:09   All right, Jim Dalrymple, thank you very much. What a great show.

02:09:13   Jim Dalrymple Thanks a lot, John.

02:09:14   And thank you everybody out there sent those questions in I think a lot of those were good and and for all the ones we

02:09:19   Missed I'll try to answer them on Twitter instead, but thanks

02:09:23   Thanks