54: Green iPhone 5C Hidden In A Beard
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All right, what a crazy day. It's we are recording on Wednesday. What the hell day is it September
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18. So it's iOS seven day, as well as the day after all the the embargo lifted on the iPhone
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five s and five C reviews and joining me today. I think for the first time is this the first time
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you've been on the talk show first time? Jim Dalrymple? Hey, don't john. I'm doing good.
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And you know, you pointed out, we were both at the Apple shindig last week and saw each
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other like mid-event, like while they were talking.
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So we just waved and literally did not say a word to each other.
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I think for the first time ever.
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It just was, it was so crowded.
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It was like if you didn't, if you weren't already standing next to somebody, you had
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no chance to just wander over and say hi to the people you know.
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Well, it's funny you mentioned on the phone that Ohm Malek and I were sitting like right
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across the aisle from each other and we didn't see each other.
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Because I blend in pretty well.
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Yeah, it was a good event though.
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I know you don't like them at the campus as much, but I do.
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I like those ones.
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I don't have any kind of phobia or anxiety disorder or anything
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But just in general, I just don't like crowds.
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I don't like being elbow to elbow with people.
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And I'll just give you an example.
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So I'm not a big concert goer.
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I do go to concerts.
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But I have to really like the band to go to a concert,
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because I just don't like being that crowd.
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And that's what, when they're on the Apple's campus,
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the event is, it's just packed.
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I mean, they invite far fewer people, but even so,
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it just isn't meant for that.
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- That's true.
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You know, I don't go to concerts that much either,
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but you wait until your son gets older,
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then you'll be going.
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- Amy'll take him.
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He might have to invite down Uncle Jim to take him to the metal shows or something.
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And you know what? And honestly, if there is any kind of trouble at a concert, Amy would
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be better anyway.
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Well, there you go. Well, I wouldn't mess with her. I'll tell you that. No way.
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So I am interested. I think we're years away, obviously, and they haven't even broken ground.
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But I think that when the new campus, the spaceship arrives, we already know from the
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plans that have come out that part of the spaceship is is a compared to the town hall
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they have now massive amphitheater where I would expect they're going to have all of
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their future Apple events and I you know that that should be different because I think that
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it's going to be built with the kind of crowds they draw in mind.
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Well and it makes a lot of sense I mean you know Apple pulled out of all the trade shows
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years ago because they wanted to do their own
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types of events.
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And you know, the first event I think that they
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really held was, was either the iPod or the
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MacBook, you know, the original white MacBook
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when they had all those schools that, well, the
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one big school that, that took it and then others
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came on later.
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But I think that they really saw the chance to
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to control the environment.
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you know and uh... they don't need to go to moscone i mean moscone west when you
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go to an event there it holds thousands of people
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you know and sometimes i i think that they
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they want more control over
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what they're putting out and and how that information is
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going around the internet
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i like the events at the yerba buena center i think that's a really nice
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facility i think it's a nice stage i mean it was great last year when the
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foo fighters were there it sounded fantastic
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And I kind of like seeing Apple out of the isolated nature of their own campus.
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Like, I vaguely worry—well, you and I talked about this on the phone, but, you know, I
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might as well say it here—but I vaguely worry that come the future Spaceship Campus,
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that we're literally not going to see Apple anywhere outside their own—the enclave of
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of their own campus except WWDC.
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- And I don't think that's healthy.
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I'm not sure.
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I'm not sure why though.
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- And who knows?
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This thing is gonna be huge.
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Who knows what we could see for WWDC?
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- Right, I've thought of that too.
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It doesn't seem practical to me
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that they would build into their campus facilities
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for a four or 5,000 person campus, or I mean conference,
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but I don't know, who knows?
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The thing's gonna be huge.
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I mean, maybe at that point they can expand it.
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You know, and part of the reason that they can't
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expand it right now is because they just don't
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have the resources.
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I mean, you can only have so many engineers,
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but by that time, with that size campus,
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I mean, down in Cupertino last week,
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you know, I went to see some friends that didn't
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even work at Apple driving through Cupertino.
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Every building down there is Apple.
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You know, they're so spread out.
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I mean, some of the buildings are miles away.
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- There they are.
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- You know, it's true, and I know a lot of people,
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I mean, I'm guessing most people out there
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listening to the show have never stepped foot
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on Apple's campus because it's out of the way.
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But I know a lot of people who are fans of the company,
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if they're in the area, they'll make a pilgrimage,
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they'll stop in, there is a company store
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that people can go to.
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It's like, I think the only place
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where you can actually buy Apple T-shirts,
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You know famously they don't sell they don't sell Apple t-shirts and Apple retail stores
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And so people go and do that, but one thing you're struck by and it's you know
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Knowing how big Apple has gotten you know that they're the you know
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Biggest by market cap company in the world or second X on or whatever the the actual official
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One infinite loop campus is relatively small by them by their current standards and it's like you said and you think like well
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can, given how big Apple's gotten, how can they really still be in these buildings? And you're
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exactly right. They're spread all over Cupertino right now.
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Yeah. And it's no exaggeration when you look at how far and wide those buildings are. I mean,
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and some of them, what's funny is that they came from companies like HP and other large companies
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that gave up those buildings and Apple snaps them up and you know they put hundreds of
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people in them.
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And the land for the new campus was from HP too.
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Yeah, I think truth be told and you know some of this growth came so quickly but and it's
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hard I mean it's hard to build a massive spaceship.
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I mean it really is it's like a skyscraper that you know you lay down on the ground and
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form a donut out of. I mean, but it's, you know, it's as big or bigger than like a massive
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Manhattan skyscraper in terms of, you know, floor space.
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You know, and that doesn't happen overnight, obviously. But it's overdue. I mean, the company
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is bursting at the seams on campus.
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Well, and it's going to be good for them. I mean, I've seen people walking out of One
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infinite loop to go to a meeting they hop in their car and you know drive across town
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yeah just just for a meeting I mean you know having everybody in in one central place is
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going to be good for for the whole company because then you'll have you know these the
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meetings that they have the design meetings I mean you know people aren't gonna they're
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not gonna be put out by doing this you just kind of stop by I just worry though that in
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terms of like public relations that it's too it's gonna be too isolating for them I mean
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people often make the joke that Apple is sort of like Willy Wonka, you know, that they're
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secretive and they, you know, every once in a while come out with these amazing things.
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But there's, you know, there's that aspect of Willy Wonka too where he, you know, he
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secluded himself in the factory and closed the gates and got real weird, you know.
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Yeah, that's true.
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You know, and Apple employees are, they do go to conferences, you know, they go to CES,
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They go to all sorts of conferences.
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They just don't go and speak publicly.
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They're just there and you kind of have to look
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at their name badge to find out they're there.
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I just worry about that, that long term,
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it's that they're too isolated as a company.
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- I don't know.
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It's gonna be an interesting thing to see.
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Once they start moving everything in there,
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if they start closing off,
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I don't know if they would close off like that.
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I mean, the only thing that they're doing
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is pulling their employees all together.
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- You know, and all the resources that they have
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and putting those all together.
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- Yeah, I would say it's two different things.
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I think for day-to-day operations,
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it's gonna be a huge win, no doubt about it.
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And I think, you know, almost like the,
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well, I don't even think it's a coincidence.
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I don't think it's, I think it's the opposite.
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I think it's by design that like Pixar's campus
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where they purposefully designed it with this atrium where everybody would have to – central
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atrium where no matter what your job was, you'd kind of have to run into other people,
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that it would be good if the people who were working on the ray tracer software would just
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by coincidence run into the story team and they'd meet and maybe become friends and,
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you know, and that good ideas can come out of accidental meetings. I think there'd
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be a lot more of that sort of stuff.
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stuff. I'm saying no from a public relations standpoint for events that it's, and conferences
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and stuff. It's worrisome to me that maybe we'll never see them outside of their own campus.
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Ted: Yeah, and that could very well happen considering the scope of what they're building.
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Justin: And just, you know, what we know about how much control they like to have over stuff.
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Ted; Yeah. Well, I mean, they have control over stuff now, and, you know, things are still leaking.
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Yeah, you know so
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Tim said what last year that they were gonna double up on security
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Secrecy seekers, but yet here they are
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Yeah, you know I've gotten a lot of questions about that
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Why in this week, and that's a that's as good a place to start as any is
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For the most part I would say the only thing that maybe was a surprise was that that the that the 5s went to
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Let's I don't not even sure what to think about that but
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the bottom line though, is that the the stuff that leaked I
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Think all of it just about all of it came from the Asia supply chain and
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I don't know that there's anything Apple can do about that
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That's it's so tough, you know, despite the fact that that a lot of this stuff leaked from the Asian supply chain
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Most of the analysts were still wrong. Oh the analysts were definitely it's you know, who's right? It's the people who literally
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Pay off factory employees to sneak out
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Components right right. I mean like there's no like analysis to it
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It's it's just black market bribery to get you know, here's here's the gold frame
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from the iPhone 5s, you know, here it is.
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- And how do you stop that?
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I mean, it's almost impossible.
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- Yeah, I don't know.
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Software-wise, almost nothing leaked.
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I mean, even something as stupid and as innocuous
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as the fact that it, only in the GM, none of the betas,
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they added all new ringtones and alert tones,
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that didn't leak, they had that, you know,
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I mean, that was the only software surprise,
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but it, you know, didn't leak.
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- You know, and I think I even mentioned last week
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I had Brent Simmons and Dave Whiskas on the show. Think about this. iOS 7 itself did not
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leak until they showed it at WWDC. Now, there were rumors that it was going flat, that it
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was a radical redesign, that it was going to be polarizing. But the actual, you know,
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what it actually looked like did not leak until they showed it on stage at WWDC.
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Tim Cynova Yeah, that's right.
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John Green So the stuff that happens on campus in Cupertino,
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they're definitely, I think they have successfully doubled down on secrecy. The stuff that goes
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through the agent's supply chain, it just leaks like a sieve.
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Is that why they're moving some of the manufacturing to the US or to different
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places? You know, they're talking about Brazil and they talk about the US?
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I wouldn't be surprised if it's part of it. You know, you always have to read between
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the lines with these with Tech Tim and Phil on stage. I mean, they're, you know,
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they're so polished, so rehearsed. But, you know, and again, this just could be my
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imagination I'm totally just you know armchair psych psych psychologist here
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but like when when Tim Cook was up there after Craig Federighi did the run
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through of what's new in iowa7 and the next thing was to talk about new iPhones
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and Tim said something along the lines of some you know new iPhones some of you
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maybe have been expecting this I couldn't help but think though that he
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He hated that.
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He hated it.
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Hated it that we already knew sort of what the 5S looked like.
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Hated that we'd already – I don't know.
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I just felt like I could see it and that the gold, it was not a surprise.
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Really think that that disappointed them.
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I think it must disappoint them because they work for a couple of years on these products
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then they're leaked, you know, a few months before they come out. And Apple loves the surprise. They
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love that factor of their keynotes that they can say, "Oh yeah, just one more thing." But if
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everybody knows what the one more thing is, then, you know, it's done. Steve hated that.
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And I have to think that Tim does too. But, you know, it wasn't really much of a surprise.
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We we did get confirmation on you know colors and pricing and and things like that
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But it's got to be a letdown to get up in the morning and see
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Your new product that will be announced in a month's time splashed all over the internet
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Yeah, I think so and I can't help but think that there's it maybe maybe that's it's simple enough not to
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think it about like why did the 64-bit stay secret and the other stuff didn't I think it's probably because the
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If not the most expensive component it's one of you know, maybe maybe the display
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something like that and so it would be a lot harder to smuggle that out and a
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Lay person, you know, like someone who'd simply assembles them
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They have no idea what they're looking at. You can't look at the A7 and tell that it's a 64-bit
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RV8. It just says A7 designed by Apple in California or something like that. They don't
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know what it is. And I think it's a harder thing to smuggle out. And if they did, how would somebody
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else even tell what it is? Well, and you mentioned it earlier that the secrecy on campus is getting a
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lot better and that's where they would be developing iOS 7 so you know 64-bit versions
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of that remember when when Steve announced the Intel version of of Mac OS X and said there's
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a building on campus where this has been developed for the last year alongside the other version and
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nobody knew right I mean that that that is incredible and if you've ever been on campus
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you know, there are people walking around with trolleys with black cloths draped over them.
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You know, so there is a lot of secrecy that goes on there, even from their own employees.
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And the employees understand that, you know, I think these days, a lot of those people that
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work there really want to work for Apple. And more often than not, if you talk to people,
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that work there, they believe what they're doing
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actually means something.
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They're making changes, they're innovating on things,
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and they wanna continue to work there.
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- Yeah, because if you don't work there,
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where else are you gonna work
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that has the same priorities as Apple?
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- And I think that the same logic applies to Google.
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I think in general, obviously there are exceptions,
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and I'm sure that there are some people working at Google
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who used to work at Apple and vice versa.
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But on the whole though, they attract different types
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of engineers, different types of designers,
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people with, you know, who see different things
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as the most important thing they could be working on.
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- Well, and for the good ones, for these great engineers,
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they do have a choice.
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You know, Apple goes looking for them,
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and Google goes looking for them.
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So they can pretty much work where they want.
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You know, it's not a matter of, oh boy,
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I better take this job at Apple
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because I've got nothing else.
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All of these companies try and bring over the greatest.
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So, I talked to a developer down there,
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well, he owns a company and he's looking for developers.
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He can't find good developers in the San Jose,
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in the Valley basically,
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because they're all taken up and Apple pays them well
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and everybody gives them great benefits.
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Apple, Google. So he ended up going to Austin because there's nobody left out there.
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You know, they left maybe two years ago,
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and I know some of them who are already back.
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You know, that the door, not because they had to,
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but you know, and it's almost like that's how you do
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a sabbatical at Apple.
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Like if you're tired and wanna try something,
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you leave and you go and work somewhere else
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for a year or two, and then if you want
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and the itch is still there, you go back to Apple
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and the door is usually open if you left on good terms
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and did good work.
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- Yeah, yeah, and there's a lot of people
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that have done that.
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- I mean, Schiller did that, right?
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- Oh, I don't think so.
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- Schiller was there and he went to Macromedia
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and then came back?
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- Oh, I didn't know he was at Apple before Macromedia.
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I only knew that he was at Macromedia.
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Well, that doesn't surprise me, I guess.
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I knew that he was at Macromedia, though.
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- I mean, there's--
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- Boy, that was a long time ago.
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It's hard to imagine. - Wow.
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- 'Cause Schiller's gotta be the executive
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who's been there the longest.
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- He must be.
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Because I know that he was senior vice president for product marketing before jobs returned.
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He was like maybe the only guy who survived the return of jobs.
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I think he was.
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He could be.
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Very hard to imagine a modern Apple without Phil Schiller.
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It really is.
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But you're right.
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And just going back one step, you're right though that the whole idea that on day one,
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a 7 64-bit total secret
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well it's gotta be because it was
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produced at at apple but
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the most people care about sixty four bit
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well i went into it in my review uh...
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and you know in sixty four bit in and of itself no not really worth worrying
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about it's a developer problem and you know just like with with mac OS X i
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don't think that uh...
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really had to worry about it when Mac OS X went 64-bit.
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Unlike every other platform I'm aware of, like Windows, you didn't have to worry
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about what version of an app you had. It all just worked.
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And I think it'll be like that for consumers with this.
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The big difference is the move from the old ARMv7
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architecture to ARMv8, which has
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a whole bunch of real performance improvements, and it
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It makes sense if you're going to go to ARMv8 to go 64-bit at the same time.
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So in a way they should care because it's really what enabled the 5s to be literally,
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like no exaggeration, twice as fast as the 5 from a year ago.
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And twice as fast in one generation of phones is – that's significant.
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Yeah, it's really like the old days of the PC industry, you know, where you could, you know,
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you buy a computer and a year later for the same price you could buy one that was twice as fast and you feel like
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man, that's, you know, I can't believe I should have waited a year to buy my computer. It really is like that with mobile.
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It certainly isn't like that with PCs anymore.
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Like, you know.
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A new MacBook Air you buy today is not twice as fast. It's better. The battery life,
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they've certainly made significant improvements
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year over year, but you don't see doubling of clock speed,
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or I guess not clock speed,
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but CPU performance year over year.
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It's really amazing.
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- Well, and I think people realize now
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that the PC isn't really what they need anymore.
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You know, I mean, for all intents and purposes,
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the iPhone is a PC.
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- Oh, definitely.
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- And then you have the iPad.
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I work, I still work on a MacBook Pro,
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but I can easily work on an iPad.
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I can work on my phone if I really need to.
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I don't like to, but I can.
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- I do a significant amount of work on my phone.
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One thing I do, a lot of on my phone,
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is queue up material that I want to link to
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later in the day.
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So I'll just start my day with the phone in my hand
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and start reading.
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And if I see something, hey, I should link to that
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from during Fireball, you know,
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unless I'm gonna be on the phone all day,
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I won't peck it all out on my thumbs right there.
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I'll just send it to Pinboard
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and then later when I'm at my desk,
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I've already got six or seven things
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that I've flagged to post.
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- It's tremendously useful to me.
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- Well, I do, I started using ReadingList.
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I was using Instapaper.
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But when I started trying out ReadingList
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because it syncs now between all the devices.
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I tried that out to see how that would work.
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And it's pretty good.
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- Yeah, and it's gotten better too.
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- Yeah, it's not perfect by any stretch,
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but usually what I do, somebody asks me
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how long my reading list was.
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Well, as soon as I linked to something, I delete it.
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- So my list isn't that long.
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But it's a pretty efficient way to do things.
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Now at night when I put my computer down I usually pick up my iPad and you know that's
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just casual reading you know going through you know the latest things that people send
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or whatever and you know that's a more casual type of browsing for me to sit down with the
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iPad and do that.
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But then you know saving links and things like that but if I have to post something
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I'll probably reach over and grab my Macbook again.
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Yeah, I would say it just is a rough schedule. The iPhone is my morning device. My Mac at
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my desk is my afternoon to evening device. And then my iPad is my evening device. Like
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last night was a perfect example. So I was late publishing my – the embargo I think
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embargo I think was 9 p.m. Pacific on the iPhone reviews and I was I was late
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as usual I think I published right after midnight Eastern Time so about three
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hours late that's actually good for you that's pretty good I was tired I had a
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busy day linking before I really settled down to write. I had a lot of notes from the week.
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I mean, when I write this stuff, I have notes scribbled in Vesper, I have notes scribbled
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in paper notebooks, I have the beginnings in BB Edit of sort of like a text file with the article.
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But I just sort of like let it all stew and then I just start writing. And I think I ended up at
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up at about 6,000 words or so. I was tired. I mean, that's a busy day, 6,000 words. I
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mean, I'm not saying I wrote all 6,000 words, but I kind of put them all together. And it's
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midnight and all the other reviews were out. And even when I'm late, I don't stop and
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read. I want to get my review out without being biased by what other people have said.
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But then there are so many reviews that came out on the embargo. The last thing in the
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world I would want to do is still be at my desk and read them on the computer. Reading
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them on the iPad with a beer in my hand on the couch, it was so much better than the
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old days before the iPad. It really was. I mean, it was –
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You know, I'm laying back. I'm on the couch in the living room, not at my desk.
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I mean, I've had – you know, by the time – when you write 6,000 words in a day, the
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last thing you want to do is still be at your desk.
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Yep. No, I agree.
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not be better. And you know what? I would not want to read like you can't read a non
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less shrimpies. You can't read that. I can't read that on an iPhone.
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No, you can't read that without a beer or case. Right. Something to I love his because
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it made mine feel short. I I loved I linked to his today and I said, I don't think that
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anybody more qualified to do this type of review. I mean, he just, he basically tears
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the thing apart and, you know, talks about things that the very tech-minded people care
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about and you need that. You really do.
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You know what I was nervous about? I'm going to take a break in a minute for the first
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But I was nervous because I went a little bit more benchmarky in mine than I usually
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do, because I really thought that the 64-bit transition was so interesting, and there'd
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been so much controversy about, ah, this going to 64-bit with only 1 gig of RAM is a total
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gimmick, blah, blah, blah.
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So I really went a lot more technical than I have in a long time.
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And I was so worried, because I knew when I read Anand that if he said, like, ah, this
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this is kind of a meh upgrade performance-wise
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that I was toast.
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So I, and I usually do, he breaks his up
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over multiple pages.
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I actually skipped and went to the CPU performance page
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first just to like double check and everything he had
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kind of jibed with mine, you know, that wow,
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this is, you know, it's about twice as fast
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year over year and it's faster than all the leading
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Android phones and I was like, whoo.
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- Yeah, well, when I look at something like that,
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I kind of take the end user approach in my reviews and this time I went for the pain points.
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And for me that's that damn password, you know, unlocking the phone every single time.
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And I did have concerns about the fingerprint sensor because as I laid out in the review,
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you know, I was worried it was going to say, "Okay, I'm on law, I'm awake and oh, you want
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to do a fingerprint and okay I'll read and you know it'd just be this painful experience that
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I could actually type it in faster than waiting for the fingerprint and that would be useless as a
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feature that you would want to continue to use. I mean it has to be fast and it really is.
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You just press the home button to wake the phone up and just keep just rest your thumb on it and I
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I use my thumb instead of a finger because that's how I hold the phone.
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I just rest my thumb on it and it's immediate.
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It just opens up.
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Let's pick it up from there.
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So my description of the fingerprint sensor is exactly like you said it's it's so much faster than I think it even has to be
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Like my thought going in was exactly the same as yours that it it can't be like
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Roughly as long as it takes to enter a passcode. It has to be way faster than the passcode. Yeah, because
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It's just the way that any sort of disruption has to be 10 times better than the thing that
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came before it.
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And just, I don't want to go too far off on a tangent, but I think that's exactly the
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problem that Windows Phone faces.
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Windows Phone is, by all accounts, really good mobile operating system, but it was late.
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And at best, it's roughly on par with Android and iOS.
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It's like the same thing.
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not 10 times better.
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So it just has trouble getting traction.
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Whereas the original iPhone was 10 times better
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than what came before it.
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That's what does it.
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So if you're gonna get rid of passcodes,
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the thing that you're gonna get rid of them with
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has to be like 10 times better,
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and that's what Touch ID is.
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It is, it is so much faster than I really thought
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that they were gonna be able to achieve.
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I had like my hopes, I hope it's like that fast.
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and they exceeded it by a long shot.
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- You know, there are these features that come out
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in whether it's iOS or OS X,
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what's that thing called in OS X, Exposé.
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- You know, you can do these windows
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and you can have all this stuff going on.
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I never used it.
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You know, it's one of those things that
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when it first comes out, you look at it and say,
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wow, that's cool.
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But if it doesn't actually remove a problem or a pain point for you, then you're not
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going to end up using it.
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The hopes that I had similar to yours for the Touch ID was they were pretty high expectations
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and it exceeded them for me.
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And so much, and you know, we talked about this on the phone, so much so that I went
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to my 5C and clicked it on and left my thumb there on the thing waiting for it to unlock
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and I thought, "Oh my god, it's broken."
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- I've seen that in at least three different reviews
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of the iPhone 5S today.
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Everybody does it.
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- That shows you that the feature works.
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And it does remove a problem.
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And it absolutely did for me.
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So yeah, that's something that,
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that in itself is a reason to buy the 5S.
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- I think Tim Cook even kind of touched on this,
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I think in his wrap up at the end of the event.
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I know he touched on it, and I can't remember when, but I think it was at the very end when
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he was wrapping it up, when he was talking about the new stuff.
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And there's not that much new, really.
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I mean, there's Touch ID, there's the improved camera with the burst mode and the slow-mo,
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and there's the performance gains.
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But that they really focus not just on adding new stuff, but new stuff that everybody will
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find useful.
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And reading between the lines there, to me, it's putting a finger at no better example
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than the Samsung Galaxy S4, the one that was unveiled at Radio City Music Hall with the
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song and dance show and all this stuff.
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And these features, they had all these new features like watching a video and then when
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you move your eyes away, it'll pause automatically and something where you can somehow move and
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manipulate items on the screen without actually touching the glass and then you
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read all the reviews and everybody says these things are gimmicks and they don't
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even work that well I don't like it yeah and and now you know here we are six
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seven months later nobody even talks about those features nobody says boy all
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the other Android phones and iPhone need to get this look away from video and
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have it pause automatically because you know what that's nobody actually has a
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problem pausing a video right tap the screen tap pause well and and where are
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you gonna watch video on your phone you know sometimes maybe you're in an
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airport so you know you lift your eyes up and look around and expect it to keep
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going like which I would and then a pause it no right you wouldn't want that
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no it's it's like you said though it's it is hard to find actual problems to
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solve and to and to solve them in a way that it works for everybody well and
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And there, I think you just nailed something that Apple does that nobody else does.
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I think that they actually look for the problems to solve.
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Instead of coming up and saying, "I've got this fancy new feature," and I'll
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grant it, Apple probably does this too.
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You know, "Let's make a backup that looks like it's in space and on your Mac."
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And you know, they highlight that stuff as well.
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But it doesn't seem to me that a lot of companies actually look for something to solve.
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When Apple looks at the passcode, "Okay, we need people or we want people to be secure
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and we want them to lock their phones.
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This is a real problem."
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And your phone beeps, you pick it up, you type in your passcode and then you lock it
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and put it back down again and then it beeps again.
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Then you got to pick it back up.
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Well that's an actual problem that people have with security.
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And they solve that.
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I would like, you know, people talk about why I'm so mean to Samsung.
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Well, don't just take, you know, ten new features and throw them in there if they don't actually
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do anything.
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Right, you're wasting people's time, you really are.
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And I can see why they do it.
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They shouldn't, but I can see why.
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they're not actually helping customers, because if the feature isn't helpful. But they're
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doing it because so many people in the technology press and the business press have this insatiable
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desire for endless revolution. Like, I'm going to avoid the word innovation, because I've
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talked about it, that I think innovation means something different than what the people who
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say Apple can't innovate anymore. What they say – what they think innovation means is
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revolution. They want a new – the 2007 iPhone every 12 months.
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And that's not going to happen. Real innovation is incremental and it's like a – it's
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always about going a layer deeper. Often, often going – every once in a while it is
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about revolution, but for the most part it's incremental. And for some reason in technology,
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that's where people see this. Maybe because technology is still relatively a new field.
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But I think about the automobile industry,
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and nobody demands stuff like that.
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Nobody, like when BMW comes out with the new 3 Series,
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is demanding that I can't believe that it still
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has tires on the road, and we don't have hover cars yet.
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You know what I mean?
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George Lucas showed us a land speeder in 1977.
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Why can't BMW make one?
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Do you know what they do?
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They work on things like making the doors nicer.
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That's right.
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It's funny how if you get into somebody who's driving a later model premium car, like a '97 BMW, still a nice car, but you get into it and you know what? It's roughly on par with a mid-range Honda Civic today.
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You know, what would have happened in 2007 if Apple brought out the first iPhone and
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it was exactly the 5S with the iOS 7?
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People probably would have lynched jobs for being a witch.
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What do you need this airdrop thing for?
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What is that kind of witchcraft that you're talking about there, Steve?
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You know, and that's why it's incremental, because as the technology unfolds, we realize
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that there are things that we need to do and there are things that we want to do there are different
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types of media and files and information that we want to share okay well here's the thing called
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airdrop it took seven years but we didn't know that we wanted that in 2007 we didn't even know
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we wanted the iphone in 2007 yeah it's true that's another one where it's a simple problem and it's
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"Hey, you've got one of these devices.
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"I've got one of these devices,
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"and we can see each other.
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"We're right here in a room together.
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"Shouldn't I be able to just send you a link or a picture?"
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- And what did we do before that?
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Well, text it to me or email it to me or, you know,
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no, just airdrop it.
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Just do it, it's done.
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- Yeah, I did it.
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I used it last week.
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Last week after going out to California
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for the Apple shindig, instead of flying straight home,
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I went to Denver, where my Q branch colleagues were.
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That's where we ended up recording the talk show.
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But Dave Whiskus lives there, and Brent Simmons
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was in town for the i360 Mac conference.
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And so it was a convenient way for the three of us to meet face to face
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and do some Vesper work.
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But we used AirDrop.
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It was great.
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Here, I have a picture.
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Let me show you this here.
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And AirDrop, there it is.
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It was super convenient.
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I often don't run into stuff like that when I'm at home because I am like a little like
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a hermit up here.
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Yeah, me too.
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But spending two days working like a regular person with colleagues in the same room, it's
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It could not be easier.
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Really great feature.
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And it just solves a problem that's been staring us in the face the whole time.
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And that's it.
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The greatest features, I think, are the ones that solve a problem that you don't realize
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there's a solution to.
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You know, there's another thing that's a pain point.
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Well, there is a solution.
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Text that file to me, that's fine.
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But there is a better solution.
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And you know, we didn't even know that there was a solution needed that we didn't already
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But there it is.
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You know, and those are the ones that you'll end up using.
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And just to clarify, looking at Phil Schiller's bio on Apple, it says, "Since rejoining
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Apple in 1997."
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So he was there before.
00:41:43
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I thought I better clarify just in case I was wrong.
00:41:46
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Yeah, you probably had the scoop at Mac Central in 1995 or whenever it was when he left to
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go to Macromedia.
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That's probably what you're remembering.
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You're probably the one who broke the news.
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Man, that was a long time ago.
00:42:02
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So I think that there's a pretty clear consensus
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that the 5S is a great upgrade.
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5C is a great phone.
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Clearly spec wise it's the same as the 5.
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If you have an iPhone 5,
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you're not gonna upgrade to the 5C.
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I mean, that's, you know, you're just--
00:45:08
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- Except for the color, a lot of people will do that.
00:45:10
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- I don't think anybody who already has a 5 would, though.
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I mean, somebody might.
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I mean, I wouldn't say nobody,
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but you know, it's hard to recommend.
00:45:18
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The 5S is the, if you already have a 5,
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is the 5S a worthy upgrade?
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- Yeah, I think so.
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- You're, you know, if you're willing to pay that,
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the price that, you know,
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'cause everybody already has a 5, bought it a year ago.
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If you're willing to pay the price,
00:45:35
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I think it's worth it.
00:45:36
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I mean, I think it's probably worth it for the camera alone.
00:45:39
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But I'm a dummy.
00:45:42
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I've bought my own new iPhone every single year.
00:45:45
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And I've never regretted it though,
00:45:47
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so maybe I'm not that dumb.
00:45:48
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I don't know, it feels like money well spent to me.
00:45:49
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But it totally feels like a solid upgrade to me.
00:45:53
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- Now, the camera is one of the last things
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that I looked at.
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I see you walking around even at the event last week
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and you've got the nice DSLR
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and you've got a nice camera.
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I don't because I totally suck at photography.
00:46:10
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I'm just terrible.
00:46:12
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And if my iPhone doesn't take a good picture,
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then I just don't have good pictures.
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So I need the iPhone camera to be good.
00:46:22
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I do like to film videos and I filmed some videos
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for the review of the slow-mo feature
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and put them in there of my dogs playing Frisbee.
00:46:35
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And the videos were always, you know,
00:46:36
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they're always very cool because one of my border callers,
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Harold, he just, he loves to jump as high as he can
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for the Frisbee.
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And so it was great, I went out, you know,
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you throw the Frisbee and he jumps like five feet in the air,
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catches this thing, and I slow-mowed that section of it.
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It was brilliant, I loved it.
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- Yeah, it's a really clever, you know,
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and like, it is an intersection of hardware and software.
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I mean, obviously the hardware, the camera itself, hardware, has to be capable of shooting
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120 frames per second, which not a lot of, very few, cell phone-sized cameras can.
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But it's more than that, though.
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It's the software where it's so easy to pick the points where you want it in slow
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Easy enough to make the whole clip slow mo.
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Easy enough to say, you know, forget about the slow mo.
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I don't want any of it slow mo.
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I just want the video at regular speed.
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I forget the slow-mo.
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Whatever you want, it is so easy to specify.
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- Yeah, it's in and out points.
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- And it seems so obvious once you've seen it,
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and I'm sure by next year when lots of phones have this,
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that all sorts of Android phones
00:47:49
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are gonna have the exact same interface.
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But that sort of interface that seems so obvious
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once you've seen it, it's not obvious.
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And no, it's not.
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I mean, thinking about it going in and saying,
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okay, slow-mo video, do I export that
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or does it pick the part automatically
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or what happens here?
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And the thing is, I did three separate videos
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and I pick the in and out points
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and then you export the video and share it.
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That's, I emailed it to myself,
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but then you can go back in and pick new in and out points.
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the video is still there, the ability to do slow-mo
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is still there, the ability to change it up.
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So you can do whatever you want as long as you have
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the video on your iPhone.
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And then re-export it and mail it to yourself again.
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- Yeah, so the way it works behind the scenes
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is when you shoot a slow-mo clip, it shoots the whole thing
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at 120 frames per second, so it's four times
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the number of frames that a regular 30 frames per second
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video is, but then you set these in and out points
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and they're just saved as metadata on a file,
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and then when you export it, it'll
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export a version that does 30 frames per second
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at the real speed and just goes--
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it couldn't be better.
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I think it's a lot like the way the filters work
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on the still pictures, where it doesn't really save them.
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It saves the filter as metadata, and it only really
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does the application of it at full resolution
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when you export.
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Something else to note about slow-mo.
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on the third video that I posted,
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you can actually hear the audio being slowed down as well.
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And the dog was really kind of close to me
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when he jumped and caught the Frisbee.
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You can hear his teeth
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grasp onto the Frisbee in slow-mo.
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It's like, oh, crunch.
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One of the things that struck me, especially with these new camera features on the 5S,
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the burst mode and the slow-mo, is, and you know, I think that the last year, or I guess
00:50:06
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it wasn't last year, it was the introduction of iOS 7, but that was back at WWDC when they
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added the built-in Instagram-style filters, is how clearly Apple is designing this for
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the idea that your photos are never really going to leave your iPhone.
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You might sync them to iPhoto on a Mac or something, or Lightroom or Aputure or something.
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You could, you can if you want, but you no longer are expected to.
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Your phone is the one-stop place for the entire photo experience.
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Because I think back, like I used to shoot film.
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I got into photography in the late 90s and shot film, and in my first Canon SLR I shot
00:50:47
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on film and the first couple of years after my son was born, all the pictures I shot on film.
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And what do you do with film? Well, you take it and get developed and you get prints. And then,
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you know, we would take the prints and, you know, throw out anything that turned out bad and take
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the good ones and put them in a photo album and there you go. That's what you do. What did you
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do with digital photos, right? That was a big question when we first went to digital. And before
00:51:12
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iPhoto existed, what we'd do is we'd hook up the digital camera to your computer and you'd dump all
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the files into a folder in the finder and you'd have all these pictures and you'd
00:51:23
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like open them up in something and look at them and maybe throw out. But then you just
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wound up ending up with a thousand photos and they all have like these names like IMG_5689.jpg,
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right? In all caps, of course. Right? And there was. It was a serious question. And
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When Apple first came out with iPhoto, that was how Steve Jobs pitched it.
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It's like, "Look, that's nonsense here.
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We'll help you organize your photos."
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And iPhoto is a great app, and it certainly made that better, but it wasn't good enough.
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I feel like the true solution of what do we do with digital photos is the iPhone.
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It's keeping them on the device and then finding the ones you really want to share and sharing
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them to Instagram or to Flickr or to email or a text message or whatever right there.
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There is no sync process.
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There is no move it to a real computer and then do something.
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The iPhone is the real computer and you can get rid of the red eye right there and you
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can adjust the color balance, put some kind of filter on to give it a warmer look or a
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or a black and white look, right there.
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- Do you think that's for everybody though?
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- I do, I think it's way more for everybody
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than sinking by a USCB cable,
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connecting it to something even like iPhoto,
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and then doing those things.
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Because for the most part, I think you want to do something
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like post it to Flickr or send it to a friend
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or a family member or something
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right after you took the photo.
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- Oh, that's true.
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I feel like you go on vacation and it's so much more fun
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to take a picture of you in front of some kind of landmark
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and then send it right after you took the picture
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than to do it eight days later when you get home.
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- No, that part is true.
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What about the people that, like Monique,
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she may post on Facebook or post a picture or something,
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but then she likes to get home and organize her pictures,
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vacation, this is where we went and look at them
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it's a nice big screen make make a book or what you do is no heart you know you're
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no if that's what you like to do it's you're no worse for the where right now
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it's no skin off your back you can still do that this is like a new convenience
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added on top but the thing that really also made me think about today was David
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pogues review of iOS 7 I think mentioned that when you set a filter in in iOS
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like you take a picture and then you use one of Apple's built-in 8 filters and
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And then you sync your phone to your computer and suck it into iPhoto or whatever.
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You don't get that filter.
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You just get the photo you shot.
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The filter is just like metadata that's on the iPhone and it only really gets applied
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when you do it from the iPhone.
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It makes sense to me and that doesn't even surprise me, but it did surprise Pogue.
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So maybe, you know, I saw the link that you posted on that, maybe it was yesterday.
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Maybe that is the way that they're heading.
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they're just easing into it. They don't freak people out or something.
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JS And the big one for me, and I wrote about it in my review, but the burst mode
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is just so eye-opening. And like you said, I have an SLR. I have a really nice Canon 5D. I have some
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really nice lenses for it. I'm not a professional photographer. I'm not even a prosumer. I'm maybe
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like an avid amateur. But I do like shooting in, call it burst mode, call it continuous mode,
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especially shooting kids, but just hold the button down and shoot as fast as the camera
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will go for a second or two. And it just increases the odds that on one of those ones you get,
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your subjects are in focus, their eyes are open, and the light looks good on them. But
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then what do you do with the rest if you just shot 12 photos? And then it's like delete,
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delete, delete, delete, delete, delete. No, wait, no, wait. Was this the one that was
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was good or not. The Burst Mode software interface on the iPhone is, again, in hindsight, it's
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like, well, of course this is how it works. But I've never seen a camera that worked like
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that before, you know, where you go open up the Burst when you're ready and you just click
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a button that says Favorites, and then it shows you all of the photos in the Burst in
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a timeline, and it automatically makes like a guess as to which one is the best using
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like the facial recognition and stuff. I haven't used it. I mean, a week isn't long enough
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to really test how good their guesses is, so I just didn't comment on it. But, you know,
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it might do pretty well. It seems like the facial recognition for focus has always worked
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pretty well on the iPhone. You pick one, you pick two, you could pick none, but you pick
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however many you want. Those that you pick get saved as their own items in the photo
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roll and then you can delete that whole burst stack in one action. It is so great and it's
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so much quicker than, like the old way, like with my Canon, which is like a $2,000 camera,
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I think maybe like a $2,500 camera. If I shoot a burst of 20 photos, it's easier for me to
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my selects, pick the one or two keepers and throw out the other 18, once I sync to Lightroom
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on my computer and do it on my computer. It's a total pain in the ass to do it on the camera.
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Just I just don't even bother. I don't even bother trying because it's like delete, confirm,
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delete, confirm. Forget it. You know what I mean? Whereas the iPhone now, the iPhone
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5S has now made it where it's easier to do your picks, keep your selects, and get rid
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of the other ones. It's way easier on the phone than it would be to do it in iPhoto
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or Aperture or Lightroom.
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Darrell Bock Yeah.
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John "Slick" Baum: Like, they've totally inverted the model of where it's easier,
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you know, where your first pass triage of your photos is easier done. Couldn't be
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happier with it.
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just what you want. And again, another pain point.
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Right. And so, you know, in terms of people who are upgrading and have to pay the full price
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because they're still on contract because they have an iPhone 5, to me, a good point-and-shoot
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camera is still worth, you know, two, three, four hundred dollars. You know, that to me factors into
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the price of upgrading to the 5S is that it's, you know, it is a great point-and-shoot camera.
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Well, and that's what people like me need. I mean, you know, you can tell me that it has,
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you know, an f 2.5. I don't know what that means. I mean, you're just speaking gibberish to me.
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As it should be.
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I just, if I can take the camera and, you know, when Monique and I are going on vacation or
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something and we look at what we have to pack do we need a camera no I'm gonna
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use the iPhone you can bring camera if you want but I'm gonna use the iPhone
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and that's all I use so it's important to me that it focuses properly and you
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know using the the burst mode is gonna be great for me because I take such
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shitty pictures yeah that using the burst mode and then to go in and have it
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recommend, oh here's a good one.
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This one has the right lighting and it's not blurred
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and it's all, fine, okay iPhone 5, I'll take your advice
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and I'll keep that one.
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The rest of them, delete.
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- The most surprising statistic I've seen in a while,
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'cause I thought it would be a big number
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and it was way bigger than I thought,
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was a week or two ago when I was writing about Nintendo
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and how I think that their handheld market is
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in serious danger due to the post-PC.
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But Nintendo aside, as further example
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of devices being disrupted, I wanted to look up
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what's going on with the point-and-shoot camera industry.
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And it was, I think it was 42%.
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The Wall Street Journal reported a few weeks ago
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that point-and-shoot camera sales were down 42%
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in just 12 months this year, which is almost phenomenal bottoming out of the market.
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All right? And I think that it's one of those things that it's not like, "Oh, well, the damage
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was done between 2012 and 2013. Now to level out." No way. I think that when you see a trend line
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like that, I think you're going to see it happening, you know, next year is going to be like another
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40, 50 percent that there's just less and less. Yes, the optics, the actual like physics of light
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going through a lens and hitting a sensor are way better on a point and shoot camera that has,
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you know, a big dedicated lens way bigger compared to the phone. But you can't beat the software and
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you can't beat the connectivity and the apps and the social sharing that you get on the phone.
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You know the camera that's with you is the best camera and isn't that the way that that a lot of this stuff is it's
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The camera or whatever it is good enough
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It's there. It's with you. You trust it. You're willing to use it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm that's that's exactly what it is
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For me. Yeah, it's exact same way that we're we're PC laptop sales have dropped off with tablets
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It's not because tablets are faster than Windows and Mac laptops or that they're more powerful
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or that you can do more multitasking or that the screen is as big or that you can type as fast,
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et cetera. It's that it's good enough and that it's so much easier and nicer, right?
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That's how disruption works. You think you're safe because of your specs. And in the meantime,
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the disruptor is eating you out from the bottom.
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And the same thing happened, I mean, you talk about, you know, this statistic with cameras,
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look at printers. When's the last time you printed anything? And it's not that it got disrupted and
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replaced with something else, it just became obsolete.
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I would buy a printer that could only print airline boarding passes.
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I mean, we still have a printer, and it's on the network,
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because my kids are both in university,
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and they need to pass in papers.
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And you know, why they don't just let them email
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the papers in, I don't know, in this day and age,
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but they have to print it off.
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- My son is in fourth grade,
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and is allowed to email his homework.
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- Yeah, there you go.
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This is university in Canada too.
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Universities are slower to move.
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They still take dogs sleds to school.
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See, I would want to print maybe because I would want to make sure the font turned out alright.
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And I don't trust them to have the font.
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But that's me. I'm an idiot.
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I don't think I, there's so many questions here,
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how they're gonna get 'em all, but here's a good question.
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- There's a ton.
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- Why is iOS 7 so much better on the iPhone than the iPad?
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I like it on the iPad.
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You know, there seems to be some mixed reaction on that.
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I kind of expected last week that they were going to only release it this week for iPhone
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and release it for the iPad next month when I think everybody expects there to be another
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It just seems to me like iOS 7 is about a month behind on iPad.
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wasn't ready at WWDC, the first beta was always two or three weeks behind, and it still feels
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two or three weeks behind to me. That's not to say it's unusable, because I've been using
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iOS 7 on my iPhone, my main iPhone, since July, and it's been fine. I've had a fine
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summer using iOS 7 as my main OS.
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Tom Bilyeu (01h00m 10s): Agreed. And I've been using it on my iPad since
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about the same time, and I don't have any problems with it.
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Yeah, but I do have heard from other people and I've seen some people on Twitter who are
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seeing some real performance bottlenecks. David Barnard, a friend of the show, guy behind
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all the app Cubby apps, was tweeting and took video of, he was changing the wallpaper on
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his iPad mini after updating it to the iOS 7 GM. And it, or he was shooting a vine, you
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know, and the vine only gives you six seconds. The vine wasn't long enough to show how long
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it took for the wallpaper change to take place. So I mean obviously there's you know, but I I tried it myself
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I changed the wallpaper and it didn't I didn't see that so it's not like well
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Everybody's iPad mini takes seven or eight seconds to change the wallpaper. I mean, there's obviously something wrong on his I
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Don't know. I just feel like there is a point that I do feel like it has been true that iOS
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iPad iOS 7 has been a few weeks behind the iPhone version
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But I don't know I it'll be interesting to see what happens today and tomorrow after people upgrade, you know
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Whether there's an outcry from iPad users in particular
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Versus iPhone users, but I'm with you my me personally with with my iPad mini running the iOS 7 GM
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I like it better than I liked it running iOS 6. Yeah
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Here's a good question is Jim jealous that Apple gave you a pink 5c
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No, no, I'm not what color did you get I get green? Oh
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Here's a question from a guy named Craig
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Hockenberry who's that? That sounds like a weird name does a green iPhone get lost in a beard like snot. I
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Can't answer that I don't I have neither a green iPhone nor a beard Wow, but luckily Jim is here Wow with Bob. I
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I have to admit that I did have a green iPhone,
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but on the first night, it got lost over here.
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So I haven't actually seen it since.
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- Can I tell you what one of my,
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just to interrupt the questions,
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you know what my favorite little feature of iOS 7 is?
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It's the fact that there's no longer a limit
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on your Safari tabs.
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- Now, I, you know, it used to be eight,
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And if you had eight and opened another link, like say--
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like if you just were in Safari and I
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saw that there was a little eight in the corner,
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then I knew, hey, don't open a new tab till I close one.
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But what would happen is I'd be in Mail, click a link,
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and it would go to Safari.
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And it would erase--
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it would overwrite the oldest tab you had open.
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But then I'd be like, well, what was that?
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Maybe that was something important.
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Now it just keeps opening and opening and opening them.
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It doesn't magically keep them all in RAM.
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You know the way that sometimes an old tab that you have open in Safari, you have to,
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it'll have to reload it from the network before it'll actually show you the content.
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It doesn't magically keep them all in RAM because, you know, there's, you know, actually
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only still one gigabyte of RAM.
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But it remembers the URL and it now remembers a screenshot of what it looked like.
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So the tabs that have been erased from memory, when you're paging through your tabs, it still
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looks like the tab so you can identify it visually.
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I have found this to be such a great feature and it's one of those things where I always
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knew it was an annoyance that the ninth tab that you open in Safari would overwrite the
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first but now that I can keep, you know, I can have 12, 13, 14 open, it's what a great
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feature and I really like the interface for flipping through them too.
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I think it's really great.
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And when you tap on the one that you want,
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it kind of flips out from the bottom.
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- You know, so that's, there's a lot of these things
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like that and like multitasking that I really like.
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It kind of shows that even though Apple moved away
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from the skeuomorphic design a lot,
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they still do care about the details.
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- Oh, definitely.
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- I know, so.
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- You know, that's a good question for you.
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You had concerns when the rumors were first coming out
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the move away from skeuomorphism. You wrote a really good piece on the loop about how,
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hey, you know, you're a little worried about this if it's true. You don't want to prejudge it. You're
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going to wait and see what they show you. But you like the skeuomorphism. You like the attention to
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detail. I do. What do you think about iOS 7 in that regard? I guess that's the thing. There are
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are so many details that they looked at. I really do like some of the the
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schemomorphic elements that Apple had in its OS, you know, like the the shredder
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in Passbook, you know, stuff like that. It was cool. There's no way
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around it. But they've replaced that with, I think, more dynamics. You know, I
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know the people are against the the icons flying in from like behind the or
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in front of the screen and I kind of like it.
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You know, it gives the phone a feeling of interaction without you really having to do
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You press the button and watch it go, you know?
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And I wouldn't want to get rid of that.
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I think one of the best ways to put it is maybe it's like they've exchanged one style
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of flourishes for a different style of flourishes.
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It's not, though, that they've gone plain, right?
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And again, I like Windows Phone.
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If I had to use some phone other than an iPhone, I would definitely, no doubt in my mind, choose
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probably a Nokia Windows Phone over any Android phone.
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I really do like it better.
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But I think Windows Phone's flat look, if you will, if you want to use the F word, and
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we all know how much we all love the F word.
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I think their look is plain and truly flat in a way that Apple's is not because Apple,
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you know, I can't emphasize enough until you use iOS 7 and I think by the time the show
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airs a lot of, you know, there's an awful lot of people who are going to be like one
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or two days into iOS 7.
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It isn't flat.
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It's like the buttons are flat maybe but the actual interaction from the home screen to
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app to Notification Center is very three-dimensional. It's layered. And I think it's—and I think that
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the transitions, the animations between those layers are just great. And I think it really
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shows that they still sweat the details just like they used to when they were making the felt in
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Game Center really look as much like felt as they could. It's just a different way.
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Yeah, that is a great way to put it. So, you know, do I miss the felt? No, I don't. It's that kind of
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interactivity of things like, I like the familiarity of if I'm gonna shred something, I like to see a
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shredder. It might be stupid, I know, but I like to see a shredder. I like the shredder too. But,
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But they focus on different things now.
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And you know what?
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If you have the 5S, I'm looking at it right now.
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And if you tilt the screen, the background will move.
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And all that takes power in the phone
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in order to get that done.
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So I'm happier than what I thought I would have been.
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All right, good enough.
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All right, here's a good question.
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Totally serious.
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This one's from Justin Hicks.
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Did the two of you believe Apple has much bigger plans
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for the fingerprint scanning technology?
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- That's a tough one because right now,
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Apple has to be wary of all the security experts out there
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and the fact that it's very safe.
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But I would think that the fingerprint
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would be a great thing to do.
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I mean, you can purchase with it.
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- Yeah, and so I think, yes,
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I think they definitely have bigger plans.
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Now, I think like a lot of stuff with Apple,
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don't get too caught up on like the next, say,
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one, two, three, four months.
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You know, take a bigger view.
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Maybe, maybe a lot of it won't come out for a year
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until iOS 8, but I definitely think
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that they have bigger plans for it.
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- So one thing that was missing, it was announced at WWDC
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and it was in all of the seeds over summer of iOS 7 was iCloud keychain.
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Which I thought was working pretty well for me, is not in iOS 7.0 or that just released
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a few hours ago 7.0.1 and they didn't mention it last week.
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I heard and I saw a couple other people heard, you know, that it doesn't even seem to be
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a secret that it's probably going to come out with Mavericks when Mac OS X Mavericks,
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the 10.9 ships in a couple of weeks probably,
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and that it'll come back to iOS 7 then.
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So it's not that they've abandoned it,
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it just wasn't quite ready right now.
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- Well, I mean, in actual fact, that's what you need,
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if you need Mavericks in order to really share
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a lot of this stuff with, so.
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- Not true, though, because what if you don't even
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have a Mac, what if you just have an iPad and an iPhone?
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iCloud Keychain is useful to you right now, today.
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So I don't think you need Mavericks, but apparently that's how they're going to – how and when
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they're going to demo it.
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But anyway, I can't help but think that at some point in the future, iCloud Keychain
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combined with Touch ID would be great, right?
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OnePassword is a great program, and I hope they have a long future ahead of them.
01:17:01
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But built into the OS, wouldn't that be great if like when you need to fill in a password
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in a website that you could just do it with your thumb and then the password comes in?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I mean, obviously, you know, I'm glad I don't have to be the guy designing the security behind all
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that because I used to be pretty good at math like in high school, but I'll tell you what,
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I wasn't that good at math. I mean, that's serious, and that's serious pressure too,
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because you got to get that right. But, you know, Apple has smart people who can do it,
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and I think that'd be a great feature. And, you know, the other big thing everybody is
01:17:34
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is sort of speculating about using your phone for payments, you know, go into Starbucks and buy a
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coffee and pay for it by putting your thumb on the scanner instead of, you know, like a barcode scan.
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Well, and here's something else. Do you allow third party access to that?
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I think so too, but that could be the sort of thing where I see it happening in, let's say,
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iOS 8 instead of iOS 7. Right. You know, once that they've had a year to shake some stuff out,
01:18:03
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but I think yes. I think bottom line, Justin Hicks, I think they have very big plans for
01:18:08
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the fingerprint scanning. All right. How about Micah Clements? You find you're using the new
01:18:18
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5S camera features in daily use or are they more of a novelty like panorama?
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I think burst mode is a daily use thing. I don't, I think for, unless your subjects are like
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posing like in front of something and standing completely still, there's no reason not to
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shoot a burst. If it's kids moving around or you're shooting like your kids playing
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soccer or in your case, like if you were trying to get a still photo of your dog catching
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a Frisbee, the burst mode to me is an everyday thing. I think that's why they made it. It's
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not a mode. You just hold down the shutter button.
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I think Burst Mode to me is a game changer. I know that that's a cliche, but I think it really is. I think it changes the way I'll take. I'll tell you what, it particularly changes, you know, I can't imagine using a third party camera app to shoot photos.
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whether I'm going to Instagram it or use some other app to put the filter on. I already shot
01:19:18
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most of my photos using the built-in system camera app, but now I'll do it for sure because it's the
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only app with burst mode. Yep. Well, and clearly I like the slow-mo feature. I have instances where
01:19:32
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that will definitely come in handy for me. You know what I would like to see, and I did point
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this out. I would like to see better night shots and low light condition shots.
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Yeah. I think that's where they're really running into the physics, you know, that,
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yeah, you know, and you don't have to know what f stops are. You don't have to know the difference
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between aperture and stuff. It's, you know, it's just simple physics. The bigger the distance
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between the glass and the sensor, the more the bigger the glass can be and the more glass there
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is, the more light comes in and the bigger the distance, the bigger the sensor itself can be
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and a bigger sensor can get a better exposure in low light than a small sensor. Now, compare like
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that big honking Canon SLR you saw me with last week to the iPhone 5S. And you see that there are
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serious, just simple physical limitations. I mean, it's this tiny little lens and the sensor is only
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what's less than a quarter of an inch away. It's amazing that it does as well as it does.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they've got, you know, Apple in particular is working on
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Truly revolutionary technology in that regard, but the iPhone 5s is not it is improved. It does take better low-light pictures
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But it's true as of yet as of 2013
01:20:49
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There is no breakthrough technology that lets you take the sort of low-light pictures
01:20:54
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You could take with a SLR and a really fast lens
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on something this size I
01:21:01
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Hate physics
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Yeah, I did I was in when I was in London a couple weeks ago. I went out for a walk
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it was like midnight went out for a walk and ended up in Trafalgar Square and
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Took a nice shot
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posted it on Facebook and
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When I get back to the hotel later, I looked at it and
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It was just it was crap
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You know it was all grainy and awful and see this is where me not being a photographer. I look at it and say
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That's that's junk no, but I guess there's something called physics that has something to do with that
01:21:41
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Here's a good question a lot of people have asked about this so
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The big news with the 5c again, it's not an engineering difference. It's a marketing and branding change from prior years
01:22:00
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But that alone, that's not to diminish it.
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I love marketing and branding.
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I think it's as important as an engineering upgrade like the 5S.
01:22:10
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But they've clearly split the iPhone into a family of new products, right?
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Like the way that MacBooks have the MacBook Airs and the MacBook Pros.
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The way that desktops have iMacs and Mac Pros.
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So now we have the 5C and the 5S.
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Where do you think the names are going to go next year? Presumably, presumably the high-end
01:22:34
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one is going to be an iPhone 6, but what, I'm really at a loss. I mean, Apple's naming
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often confuses me. I honestly have no idea what to guess. Because I do, I think that
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they're going to have, now that they've split it in two, they're going to have, I think
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they're going to have two new ones every year.
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Well, they pretty much have to.
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Right. I think next year we'll see a new high-end phone that replaces the 5S.
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I think we will see a new mid-range phone that replaces the 5C. And my guess is the 5C,
01:23:08
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today's 5C, will move down to the free with contract range.
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And then, you know—
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But what will they call them? I really have no idea. I don't know how to guess.
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Yeah. And, you know, they could end up in naming convention trouble every year from now on,
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But you know they'll figure something out, but yeah, that's a good. I mean they can't just name it
01:23:30
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Well, I suppose they could they could name it the the six and the six C
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Or do they go the six C squared?
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Here's here's my best guess, but I would not want to wager more than five bucks on it is that they would go to
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Just playing six no letter and that's the new high-end one and that the
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the mid-range one stays plastic,
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maybe they change up the colors,
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and it would be called the iPhone 5CS.
01:24:02
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They've gone two letters before, they had the 3GS.
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So I don't think it would be unprecedented,
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it would be the 5CS.
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It would be like an iPhone 5C, but with the A7,
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and maybe the better camera with the burst mode in slow-mo.
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That's my best guess, but I really don't know.
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- Yeah, that's a good guess.
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Very hard for me to guess though.
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These names really confuse me.
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It really almost, it almost makes me happy
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that they've, with iPad, they just call 'em all iPad
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and we just go, you know, we the writers
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have to just go like fourth generation.
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- Right. - Yeah.
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- I just had one here.
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Oh, how about performance?
01:24:47
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Seems a little leggy on my current chin iPod touch.
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I haven't spent a lot of time with iOS 7 on a… now the iPod Touch is 4S caliber, right?
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It's an A5. In fact, I don't even think I installed it on my 4S. I think I kept my
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4S running iOS 6. I sort of need my old iPhones now for testing Vesper. Yeah, I've heard
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that from other people and in fact a lot of I've heard a couple they even you can
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get iPhone iOS 7 on the even on the iPhone 4 no s and I've heard it's really
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pretty laggy there and that's that sucks for people who upgrade trusting Apple if
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it's true I don't know though personally yeah I I don't know either I've only
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installed it on a five five s and 5c and my iPad mini and yeah and my my iPad I
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actually my iPad mini is the one that I left at iOS 6 but I'll update that
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tonight but it wouldn't be the first time in fact it usually seems to be the
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case that whatever the least supported iPhone is for a new version of iOS it's
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a little laggy on it yeah yeah so I'd you know not sure what to say about that
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that other than sorry if that's what you think let's see here's one from oh
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that's a good one this one's from Amy Jane Gruber oh seriously what's the deal
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with the ants? What's the deal with the ants in our shower?
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I think Montero already answered that one.
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Yeah, I guess that one's for me, not for you.
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Yeah, I don't know. We've got these little baby ants in our shower, and it doesn't seem
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like, you know, I don't know, they seem like immune to pesticide. I'm not sure what the
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deal is, though.
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Yeah, I mean, you can come up here and shower in Canada.
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You know, you can live in an igloo for a while.
01:27:03
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Hey, what color iPhone 5s did you get?
01:27:07
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Yeah, so did I. I wonder if everybody...
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No, because Anand got black.
01:27:11
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Yeah, I noticed that.
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What's your take on the gold?
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I love the gold.
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I really do.
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When I first, it was actually a post that you linked to when news of the champagne or
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gold first came out, you rightly pointed to the fact that Apple had released gold products
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before in an iPad mini, or sorry, iPod mini.
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And it was ugly as hell.
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Oh my God, that thing was ugly.
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I remembered it when I clicked on your link
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and I thought, I never wanted one of those.
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And I was kind of, I was worried, but I thought,
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I gotta give Apple some design credit.
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And as soon as I saw it,
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I thought that's the one I want, definitely.
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So that's what I got.
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- Yeah, the gold is, as I wrote,
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the gold is not my gripe with it.
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I kinda like the gold, it's the white.
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I just don't like the white face around any of my iOS devices.
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I just like it when it's off to just look like a slab of black.
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I wish-- I almost wish that they had four phones, black with space
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gray, white with silver, white with gold, and black with the gold.
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I think the black with the gold could be a cool look.
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I guess in your parlance, it would be like a Boston Bruins look.
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That would be--
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I need a Boston--
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Well, I was going to say Pittsburgh Steelers,
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but I was trying to put it in terms that you would understand.
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I told Apple I wanted a purple phone.
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I want a loop phone.
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No, no purple phone.
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No, no purple.
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What the hell?
01:28:52
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Well, but there's-- you know what?
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There's clearly, though, once they've-- now
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that they've gone plastic with the mid-range,
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I think that they're--
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whether they'll change the palette every year or not,
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I don't know.
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But there's almost an infinite range of colors
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that they could go to now easily.
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It's not a question from a reader, but I didn't really mention this. But I think looking at,
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especially in the hands-on area last week where you could look at all five of the 5C
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colors together, it's, they're so designed with the color palette of iOS 7 in mind. It's,
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you know, I don't know. Like that's the one thing, I know people complain about the icons,
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they complain about this and that when iOS 7 first came out, but there were a lot of
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of color complaints about the color palette.
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And I think as the months have gone on, everybody is sort of--
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unless I'm missing something, everybody
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has sort of shut up about that.
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I feel like they were just-- they're
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skating to where the puck was heading in terms
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of what colors are in.
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And I think that the hardware and the software
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are so clearly from the same design movement.
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It's almost unprecedented at Apple.
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Maybe the last time that the hardware and software seemed so clearly designed together
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was like the original iMacs, those candy translucent plastics combined with the original version
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of Mac OS X with all the translucent.
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I really like the way that the 5C feels.
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It doesn't feel like plastic to me.
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It almost feels ceramic.
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Yeah, that's it.
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You know, I had the same thought. I have a Lumia 800 from Nokia here, and I think that
01:30:40
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they're still making theirs out of the same polycarbonate. Now, they've gone a different
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route with their plastic. Theirs has more of a...it's not polished and shiny, it's more
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of a matte finish. But it is, without question, the only phone I've held in years that rivals
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an iPhone for build quality. And that's a good, you know, the matte is a, you know,
01:31:03
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but it's real, just like the 5C, it feels rigid and not like plastic. It feels like
01:31:10
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something, I don't know, the word plastic has this cheap connotation that the iPhone
01:31:15
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5C doesn't feel like and that the Lumias do not feel like. Even though the iPhones
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are very, very glossy, almost super glossy, and the Lumias are the opposite of glossy.
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They're matte.
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It's two different ways to go but with modern materials.
01:31:30
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Whereas I think the old 3G/3GS kind of did feel plasticy in a cheap way.
01:31:36
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Yeah, somebody – I wasn't sure if I like the feel of the 5C better than the old ones
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or if I was – somebody asked me this yesterday and I said yes, that it felt more sturdy.
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But then I responded back again and said, "They're two different shapes."
01:31:57
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And when you're – am I convincing myself that the 5C is more sturdy or is it actually
01:32:02
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a sturdier phone?
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I really do think it is sturdier.
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And I guess it will be up to the take apart guys to determine it.
01:32:12
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But Apple talked about the fact that it has this rigid steel frame inside, which I don't
01:32:16
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think that the 3GS had.
01:32:18
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I don't think so.
01:32:20
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there's a steel frame inside here that really does add a rigidity to the whole thing that
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you didn't have in the 3G/3GS.
01:32:31
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You remember I told you that when I went back to the home screen on my 5S that the icons
01:32:43
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And I didn't put that in my review because I found out what it was.
01:32:48
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Oh, what was it?
01:32:49
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the background. So to test it, I opened up a folder. So there's no icons really to
01:32:58
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jump. Opened up a folder and the background moved. So whether it's the way I'm holding
01:33:03
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the phone or maybe I tilt the phone down when I do it. So the background moves and it looked
01:33:11
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like the icons were moving. So it looked like a little video glitch or something when you
01:33:17
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you went back to the thing,
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when you went back to the home screen.
01:33:23
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- Hey, did you try the motion, what do they call them?
01:33:27
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The moving wallpapers?
01:33:29
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- Are you using one?
01:33:33
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- I was using one up until last night.
01:33:36
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I had the little, you know, the little bubbles.
01:33:40
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And then I put a planet on there instead.
01:33:43
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- I found it a little distracting.
01:33:46
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- I did use it for a day though,
01:33:47
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it didn't seem to have any adverse effect on battery life.
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- It did not.
01:33:51
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- I think that makes maybe even a lot of sense,
01:33:55
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because who spends a lot of time
01:33:56
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with their home screen open?
01:33:59
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Right, it should only affect the battery life
01:34:01
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while the home screen's open,
01:34:02
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and who really has the display on the home screen
01:34:04
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for more than a few seconds at a time?
01:34:07
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- It's true. - It's nice.
01:34:09
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- But we don't know what's going on
01:34:10
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in the background either.
01:34:11
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- Right. - Maybe it is
01:34:12
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doing something.
01:34:12
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- It's also interesting to me
01:34:14
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that the default wallpapers are not,
01:34:16
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They've added this feature now where we have motion wallpapers, but none of the default
01:34:20
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wallpapers are moving.
01:34:23
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That's a little interesting to me, because usually if you're going to add something like
01:34:26
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that, you're going to use it by default.
01:34:28
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I'm looking at it now.
01:34:31
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I have the star system or whatever it is, and it's moving.
01:34:36
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Yeah, well, I don't have the motion.
01:34:40
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I mean, they look okay, but I don't like them.
01:34:45
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I like the monochrome ones. I like the real – I feel like with the brighter and more
01:34:48
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vibrant icons, having like a monochromatic background really makes the icons pop.
01:34:53
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Tom Bilyeu: I'm going to try that. You don't like them, but you have ants in your shower
01:34:58
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John Greenewald Exactly. Here's Jeff Schwab on Twitter. He
01:35:00
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says, "These ants never would have infiltrated the shower if Steve Jobs were still in charge.
01:35:06
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Thanks Obama." Yeah, I guess he's right. It wouldn't have happened if Steve Jobs
01:35:11
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were still around.
01:35:12
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Let's see here.
01:35:16
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Oh, here's, who built the A7 processor?
01:35:20
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Ooh, good question. Anand thinks it's Samsung.
01:35:24
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Even though we're all sort of, there's so much speculation that this is the year that Apple's finally broken away
01:35:28
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from Samsung as their CPU maker. His best guess is Samsung.
01:35:32
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And it'd be really tough for me to bet against Anand.
01:35:36
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Yeah, I wouldn't bet against him. Because then he would call and ask me a question about a processor
01:35:40
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something, I'd have to hang up on them.
01:35:41
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So, my guess is I think it's Samsung because Anand says so, but I'm hoping it's that
01:35:46
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TSMC because the hell with Samsung.
01:35:49
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That would be very cool.
01:35:51
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But we'll find out.
01:35:53
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I guess we'll find out tomorrow night because those iFixit guys, they're – I love those
01:35:59
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Because they fly.
01:36:00
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They don't live there.
01:36:02
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They book tickets to go to Australia.
01:36:04
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At least they have in past years.
01:36:06
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I don't know if they're doing it this year, but the last few years, they book tickets
01:36:08
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to go to Australia because that is where the international date line is. That's where
01:36:13
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the iPhone first goes on sale, to get one first and start. They have it like taken apart
01:36:18
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before 8 a.m. Eastern time in the U.S. even rolls around. So, hopefully we'll find out
01:36:25
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some answers on that, probably within about 24 hours. But I don't know what to guess.
01:36:31
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There's no, I have no information. I asked around a little bit and got zero answer. Apple
01:36:36
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just does not talk about the suppliers.
01:36:39
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Even if they know that iFixit's gonna take this thing apart
01:36:43
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in 48 hours, they won't tell you off the record.
01:36:45
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They just do not talk about it.
01:36:47
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- Absolutely not.
01:36:49
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- There's actually a good follow-up here.
01:36:52
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How does Touch ID work when you swipe over
01:36:54
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a specific notification?
01:36:56
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So when, in other words, you're on the home screen
01:37:01
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and your phone is locked and there's one email out of 10
01:37:05
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that you want to read, if you swipe on that email and you're and you put it'll bring up the,
01:37:13
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you know, the pad, the passcode, the passcode, and then you just rest your thumb on the,
01:37:20
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on the sensor and the fingerprint sensor and it'll open up directly into that message,
01:37:25
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right? Swipe it first, like you ordinarily would. And then instead of entering the code,
01:37:29
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you do the thing. Also, a nice touch on touch ID, if you by habit start entering your passcode
01:37:37
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and then think, "Oh, wait. Why am I doing this?" You've entered like two out of the
01:37:40
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four digits. Why am I doing this? You touch the home button, it still works. You don't
01:37:44
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have – yeah. It just – and the animation fills in the dots on your code, which I think
01:37:50
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is a nice touch.
01:37:51
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- Yeah, so that was Daniel Middlecote that asked that one.
01:37:55
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That's actually a good one.
01:38:00
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I found that one out by mistake.
01:38:02
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'Cause I often do that.
01:38:03
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You get a message and I wanna read it.
01:38:06
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I'll go directly to that one.
01:38:07
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- Yeah, it's actually very much the same as it was
01:38:09
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when you used the passcode.
01:38:11
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You just do the touch IT once you get
01:38:13
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to the passcode screen.
01:38:15
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Whereas if you just wanna open the iPhone,
01:38:17
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you don't even have to get to the passcode screen.
01:38:19
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You just turn the phone on and touch the sensor.
01:38:23
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- Let's see.
01:38:25
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- And in case anybody is wondering,
01:38:27
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you can add multiple fingerprints to the iPhone.
01:38:31
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- Yes, up to five.
01:38:32
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And they don't have to, you know,
01:38:33
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obviously they don't all have to be yours.
01:38:36
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Like I wrote, you could do both your thumbs,
01:38:38
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both index fingers, and let your spouse add one,
01:38:42
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just for emergency purposes.
01:38:47
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If you had a yellow iPhone 5C and a banana,
01:38:51
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which would you put in your pants?
01:38:55
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- I think it's easy.
01:38:56
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I think you put one in the right pocket
01:38:58
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and one in the left pocket.
01:38:59
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- Yeah, it seems easy to me.
01:39:02
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Thank you, Mike Hay.
01:39:03
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- Great question from Thomas Richards.
01:39:06
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Fingerprint scanner on iPad, yes or no?
01:39:09
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I'm gonna say this year's iPad, yes or no?
01:39:12
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That's a good question.
01:39:15
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- I say yes.
01:39:16
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I'm gonna say I hope so but I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is no you
01:39:24
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know I and I wonder here's and here's why I say that is just because of that
01:39:28
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mantra of our most forward-thinking iPhone yet you know and forward-thinking
01:39:34
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forward-thinking they keep saying that which makes me wonder if how much that
01:39:38
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some of this stuff isn't coming to other iOS devices until next year well I will
01:39:44
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say this just just to be perfectly clear I know nothing about you know a fingerprint
01:39:50
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thing on on the new iPad but I'll go yes because I think even though the iPhone is
01:39:58
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the most forward-thinking product they've known about it for some time and I think that
01:40:03
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they would have built that in.
01:40:06
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Yeah and it could be too that it maybe it appears on the full-size iPad but not the
01:40:10
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iPad mini or you know or some other way that they will tear the iPad similarly
01:40:16
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where the lower price models don't have it but the higher priced ones do. Like I
01:40:20
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can see that. Here's another thing I heard today this is scuttlebutt this is
01:40:24
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not from like this is like secondhand but it does make sense is that the 64
01:40:30
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bit and the ARM v8 that whole move on the a7 had to happen for touch ID that
01:40:40
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Touch ID can only work with the ARMv8 and 64-bit. They couldn't do Touch ID until they
01:40:48
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did that. And the explanation, I think, is because one of the performance advantages
01:40:54
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of ARMv8 is that the instruction set now has cryptographic shortcuts, that some of the,
01:41:01
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you know, common cryptographic algorithms are built into the CPU. So instead of actually
01:41:08
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computing the math the traditional way. It's just a shortcut where if your code needs to
01:41:14
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do AES 256-bit encryption, it's an instruction code right on the processor, and it just goes
01:41:22
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through. And so that's one of those things that helps make Touch ID instantaneous, because
01:41:30
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none of this stuff is – I can't emphasize this enough – there are no pictures of your
01:41:38
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thumbprint or fingerprint stored anywhere.
01:41:41
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It's an encrypted ID where your thumbprint is part of what makes the ID, but that the
01:41:48
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whole thing gets computed instantly.
01:41:50
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So I don't know if that's true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it is true,
01:41:55
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and that touch ID will only appear as devices get the A7 system on a chip.
01:42:03
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if, in fact, what's the point of making new iPads?
01:42:08
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year if at least the high-end ones don't go to the A7. And so if they go to the A7, who
01:42:12
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knows? Maybe the touch ID sensor is not that relatively expensive, and so maybe it's a
01:42:17
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no-brainer. Yeah, of course the iPad's going to get it.
01:42:20
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I just think it will. And maybe it'll be some layering of how they do it. But the way that
01:42:28
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they did it, if you look at next year, they have the 5CS, as you mentioned earlier, then
01:42:36
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And it'll definitely get it.
01:42:38
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Yeah, this one gets it because it's already--
01:42:40
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so it worked out perfectly for me.
01:42:42
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Yeah, so anyway, I think our answer is probably slash
01:42:47
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hopefully this year for the iPad,
01:42:49
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and definitely eventually next year at the latest,
01:42:52
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the iPad will definitely have Touch ID.
01:42:53
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Touch ID will within two years will be on all iPhones
01:42:56
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and iPads, no doubt.
01:42:59
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It's absolutely the future of logging into your device.
01:43:04
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Here's the thing I was told by Apple, and I believe it, is that over the course of developing
01:43:09
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Touch ID, they actually had to dial back the places where you still have to enter your
01:43:14
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passcode and your store ID because they realized that if you never had to enter it, you'd
01:43:25
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That you only get to use Touch ID if you set up a passcode or password or passphrase if
01:43:30
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you want the longer one for your phone.
01:43:32
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But if they let you log into it without ever having to use it, like for example, if you
01:43:36
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turn your power your phone all the way off and then power it on, you have to enter the
01:43:40
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You have to enter a code before you can log in using your thumb.
01:43:44
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And they had it set up at some point where you could just, once you set up the thumb,
01:43:47
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you could always use the thumb, but they realized that the people who did that, they forgot
01:43:51
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their passcodes.
01:43:52
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It's kind of funny.
01:43:53
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That is kind of funny.
01:43:55
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And you know what?
01:43:56
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I went to buy something on the App Store and it asked me for to manually put in my my passcode
01:44:03
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Even though I had activated the purchase by thumb. So what's what's it been like a week?
01:44:10
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Maybe maybe it pops up every now and then and yeah, I'm not sure what the I'm not sure what the rule is on that
01:44:16
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If it's a timing thing or what? Yeah
01:44:18
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My friend that irons asked I know he asked yesterday
01:44:22
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Can the Verizon iPhone walk and chew gum at the same time?
01:44:26
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meaning when you're on a
01:44:30
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Phone call do you can you still get LTE date?
01:44:33
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Can you get LTE data or does it drop back to edge and the bad news is I've tested this it
01:44:37
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Cannot it's still if when you're on a cell phone call on Verizon
01:44:42
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Data drops to edge. Oh, that's too bad
01:44:46
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Well, you know but good thing for me I don't
01:44:51
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I don't make a lot of voice calls.
01:44:55
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- Yeah, we don't anymore, do we?
01:44:56
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- Yeah, and you know what's interesting?
01:44:57
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Now that iOS 7's out and everybody I know
01:44:59
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is gonna upgrade, I'm interested to know
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how many of the voice calls I do make
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will go as voice-only FaceTime calls.
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And A, the quality should be way better.
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And B, because that's just data,
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it'll still be, it'll still have,
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it'll solve that problem.
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If you make a voice-only FaceTime call
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instead of an official phone call,
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you'll work around that problem.
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But no, Verizon users,
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'cause my test units were both on Verizon.
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No, the Verizon doesn't work yet.
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- It's funny, when you look at voice calls,
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I mean, it's to the point now where,
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my daughter, she's 20,
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she thinks that something's,
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catastrophe must have happened
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if there's an actual voice call,
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why wouldn't you just text?
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My son won't even answer his phone.
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- My wife never answers her phone.
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I've been lucky if she answered it for me.
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Anybody else calls her?
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She just, she never answers her phone
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and never listens to voicemail.
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- She's got like a red badge on her phone app
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that says like 147.
01:46:09
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- Hey, I have a question for you.
01:46:12
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So I guess Apple, I never thought about this,
01:46:13
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but your review units, are they,
01:46:17
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They're set up for like Bell Canada or whatever the hell you have up there?
01:46:20
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No, I actually have, I've had an AT&T account for about 15 years.
01:46:25
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Oh, and that just works?
01:46:28
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I did not know that.
01:46:30
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Here's a question from Joan Bone.
01:46:33
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Hone Bone? I'm not quite sure how to pronounce his name.
01:46:36
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He just updated to iOS 7.
01:46:40
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The launch and close app animations.
01:46:42
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Time waster? Ways to turn off?
01:46:45
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Sorry if obvious, haven't looked yet. As far as I know, there is no way to turn them off. I don't know.
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Maybe in accessibility. I don't know if there's like a seasickness setting or something like that.
01:46:55
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But I don't think they're time wasters. I guess some people are annoyed by them, but I think that they're pleasant because to me they give you a sense of place in the OS.
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I like them.
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So now I like them too and it's a multitasking love multitasking.
01:47:14
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Yeah, you know the way that you go into it the way that you get out of it.
01:47:19
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Yeah, the way it's sort of like a half.
01:47:21
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There's like the home screen and when you're in an app, which is full screen and multitasking exists like halfway in between the two which I think is perfect conceptually.
01:47:31
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What was it that did that web OS had these kind of?
01:47:37
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multitasking like this?
01:47:40
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I thought it was great.
01:47:42
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Yeah, it's very serious. And it's, you know, and like flicking the things to close them is kind of fun.
01:47:46
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Same thing with flicking the tabs in Safari to close them.
01:47:49
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Right on. Yeah.
01:47:50
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Here's a question from Dave Addy.
01:47:52
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Good friend. I met him at Webstock this year too.
01:47:57
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Great app developer.
01:47:59
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Given the scale of changes needed to support iOS 7, when will Apple stop accepting apps linked against iOS 6?
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Let me think about that. I think...
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It's going to be pretty immediate, I think.
01:48:16
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No, no. In other words, they might stop accepting iOS 6 only apps, ones that aren't native for 7, but...
01:48:26
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But when would they stop accepting apps that also support 6?
01:48:31
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You know, when are they going to...
01:48:33
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I think that might be a ways off, honestly.
01:48:36
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I do, because I think that there are...
01:48:39
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Even though...
01:48:41
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Even though I expect, you know, just like with iOS 6, which reached like 95% of the iOS installed base,
01:48:49
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I expect iOS 7 to, within a few months, be running on 90+% of iOS devices.
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at which point I think a reasonable developer could say,
01:48:59
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"I'm just going to erase the hassles of supporting both and just go iOS 7 only."
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There are institutions that, even though that makes sense to me, I think
01:49:07
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that culturally there are places where they're like, "No, no, no, we want everybody,
01:49:11
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so we're going to still link to iOS 6 or iOS 5 even, or something like that."
01:49:15
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So I think it'll be a while before Apple doesn't let you
01:49:19
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do that. But I think, conversely, let me flip the question around,
01:49:23
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I don't think developers should hesitate to go iOS 7 only I
01:49:28
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Don't mean I think eliminates hassles. I don't think you lose many users
01:49:33
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I think the users you do lose are not your best customers and there are so many cool things in iOS 7 like text kit
01:49:43
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It just makes sense and you know you can't use it you can't really go you can't dive into text kit and still support iOS 6
01:49:51
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Yeah, and the background updates if you have an app that loads content from the web
01:49:56
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I mean, there's so much stuff iOS 7 is such a great update. Yeah, I
01:49:59
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Think developers shouldn't wait for Apple to make them drop iOS 6 just drop it and go ahead. I
01:50:05
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Couldn't agree more I've said that you know about every major update, you know, how far back should we go?
01:50:12
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it really it depends on on what kind of cool features you want to offer your users as a developer and
01:50:21
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you know, as a user, I want you to make the best app you can.
01:50:24
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If that means you're going iOS 7 only, do it.
01:50:28
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- Give me the absolute best that you can.
01:50:29
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- And I think that's what iPhone customers want.
01:50:32
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- Yeah. - I really do.
01:50:33
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I think that's the reason they picked iPhones
01:50:35
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in the first place.
01:50:37
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- Please advise on bling or gunmetal spacey color.
01:50:41
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Thanks guys, can't wait for the show.
01:50:43
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That's from Rob Richmond.
01:50:44
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Well, I mean, you know, it's really hard to recommend that
01:50:46
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without, you know, for people who wanna order at midnight
01:50:49
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without having seen them in person,
01:50:52
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'cause I wanna get an ASAP, you know.
01:50:54
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You're gonna have to go with your gut.
01:50:56
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All I can say about the gold, you really like it.
01:50:58
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All I can say, it's as nice as gold could be.
01:51:01
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The gold wouldn't keep me from getting it.
01:51:03
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And if I were going to get one,
01:51:04
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if somebody said to me, "You can't get black.
01:51:06
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"You have to get one of the two with the white face,"
01:51:08
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I'd go with the gold, just because I think it looks cool
01:51:11
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and it's kinda new.
01:51:12
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- But all of them look great. - It is not winging,
01:51:15
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yeah, it doesn't look like Donald Trump's phone.
01:51:17
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- Right, yeah.
01:51:18
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And that's part of what I was afraid of.
01:51:20
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Me personally, I like the Black though.
01:51:23
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And I think the Black is a really nice upgrade
01:51:25
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over last year's, which I still like.
01:51:27
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And that was my phone last year.
01:51:29
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The best way I can put it, I'm not the only person
01:51:32
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who's observed this.
01:51:33
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To me, and this is, I haven't seen the Black one in a week.
01:51:36
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I haven't seen it since I was in the hands-on area
01:51:38
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last week in Cupertino.
01:51:40
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But in hindsight, and I studied it a lot there,
01:51:44
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it really reminds me of the original iPhone,
01:51:46
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2007 one with the black face and the black plastic on the back for the antenna and that
01:51:51
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silver sort of metal back. Instead of being black colored, it's dark metal colored.
01:51:59
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If you like black phones, you're going to love the space gray one.
01:52:02
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Yeah, I agree. None of them look bad. Now, if you took five of those gold ones and put
01:52:09
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them around your neck on a chain, yeah, okay, bling it.
01:52:13
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Yeah, somebody's got to do that. Somebody has got to do that eventually. You could get
01:52:16
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it blingy. You could definitely bling it up a little.
01:52:19
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Yeah, but it's not – you don't look at it and say, "Oh, God, really? Do I have
01:52:24
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to go out with that?" Let's see. Also, the video shot at 120 frames per second.
01:52:34
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Can it export playback at 120 frames per second? I don't know. I think it would if you – like
01:52:42
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If you share it, I could be wrong here.
01:52:46
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This is from Eric VanQuil Esquire.
01:52:49
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It doesn't really look like an Esquire, judging by his Twitter ID, but I'll give it to him.
01:52:56
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Classy guy. Anybody with Esquire after it, I'll answer your question.
01:52:59
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I think the way it works is if you export through the sharing menu,
01:53:04
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it's going to down sample to 30 frames per second and turn the slow-mo.
01:53:09
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the slow mo, you know, it'll all be 30 frames per second. I think if you just connect it as a USB
01:53:14
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device and use, you know, iPhoto or image capture or whatever, whatever that thing is, the
01:53:20
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thing that just sucks photos off a camera.
01:53:24
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Yeah, a camera, the camera app.
01:53:27
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Yeah. What's it called?
01:53:31
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Yeah. It'll come off as just the raw data, so it will come off, I think, as 120 frames per second.
01:53:38
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I can't imagine that it wouldn't it'll just you know I
01:53:40
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Actually didn't do that. I'm trying to log in and look for the
01:53:46
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For the movie that I posted
01:53:50
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So I can see what it is, but we'll be moved on by the time I get there all right
01:53:56
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Any issues with battery life on the iPhone 5?
01:54:00
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Ours technica tests show it's way worse, and I've had similar issues
01:54:05
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I presume that means with an old iPhone 5 upgraded to iOS 7.
01:54:10
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I haven't done extensive testing.
01:54:12
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Like I said though, I've been running iOS 7 on my main iPhone all summer long, since
01:54:16
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beta 3, I think since July.
01:54:20
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I didn't notice any real difference.
01:54:22
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No improvement, no worsening of battery life over the summer.
01:54:26
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And I did a lot of vacations and traveling over summer, so I actually used my iPhone
01:54:31
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a lot and didn't have any problems.
01:54:33
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But I don't doubt if Ars Technica has tests that show that it's worse. I don't know.
01:54:38
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But I didn't think it was bad.
01:54:39
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I actually did have some problems starting off, but that was one of the betas. To be
01:54:51
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honest, I didn't really worry about it.
01:54:53
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I had one, and I guess I should say I had one. Again, I just chalked this up to being
01:54:57
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I had one last month where I got the 20% warning.
01:55:02
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It's like the first time I got the warning, I said, "Hey, warning, you're down to 20%."
01:55:06
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And the battery went red, and then the phone shut down.
01:55:10
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You know, like when you get to zero, literally about 30 seconds later.
01:55:15
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Like it went from 20 to zero in 30 seconds, and I thought, "Wow, that's scary."
01:55:20
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And I charged it up, and then ever since, I never saw that happen again.
01:55:24
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But that to me is what happens when you install a beta on your phone.
01:55:27
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Well exactly, and since I, with the 5S, I noticed a lot better battery life with the updated version of iOS 7.
01:55:39
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Because you don't know what's on in the background in these betas.
01:55:42
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I mean they could have debugging stuff, they could have all kinds of stuff going on.
01:55:47
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Yeah, and I think it probably matters too as to what else you have turned on.
01:55:50
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turned on. What apps have you granted location tracking privileges to? What apps have – do
01:55:55
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you have Bluetooth on and what are you allowing to connect to you by Bluetooth?
01:56:00
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I have – I bought one of those Pebble watches and I really didn't like it. I didn't
01:56:06
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write about it just because – well, maybe I will when I speculate more about watches
01:56:11
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in the future. But anyway, long story short though, I definitely noticed and didn't
01:56:15
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see anybody else complaining about it. I definitely noticed that just pairing the Pebble watch
01:56:19
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with my iPhone really hurt battery life on my phone.
01:56:22
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And it was, you know, I don't get a lot of phone calls
01:56:24
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or texts all day, so it wasn't like there were tons
01:56:26
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of notifications going back and forth.
01:56:28
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Just pairing them, I noticed a noticeable difference.
01:56:31
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So, I guess it depends on what you've got.
01:56:34
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- I tend to keep a lot of things off,
01:56:36
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and I don't even have my email check in the background.
01:56:39
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I haven't, I've, like, for five or six years,
01:56:41
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I just, I check email when I open the mail app.
01:56:45
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Yeah, I have that stuff on.
01:56:47
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I have Wi-Fi on. Bluetooth, I turn off when I'm traveling.
01:56:53
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Yeah. You do need Bluetooth for AirDrop, though. That's a reason to keep Bluetooth on.
01:56:58
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True. But I think if you just turn Bluetooth on
01:57:00
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but don't pair anything and just wait and use it for AirDrop, it shouldn't really have
01:57:03
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much of an effect. That's true. To get back to Esquire's question,
01:57:10
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The videos that I exported from my phone using slow-mo,
01:57:14
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exported in H.264,
01:57:17
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568 by 320, FPS 30.
01:57:21
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- What'd you use to export them?
01:57:29
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- The iPhone.
01:57:29
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- Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
01:57:31
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And I think if you connect it to the,
01:57:34
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what's that app called again?
01:57:37
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God damn it.
01:57:38
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Image Capture.
01:57:39
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Yeah, then I think they'll come off as just the raw 120 frames per second video and the the data rate was 826
01:57:47
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per second so
01:57:50
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You know it's not a high def movie, but that's not what they were going for either
01:57:56
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Yeah, here's another question same guy Eric van quill esquire does the flashlight light up both LEDs yes
01:58:03
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How hard is the leather case to remove not too hard, but I found kind of hard
01:58:09
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Because I've even put it on I did because when I was walking around the first few days
01:58:14
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especially when I was still in San Francisco where
01:58:16
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More people know me and and more people are tech savvy
01:58:20
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I did not want anybody to ask me about the goddamn gold iPhone like the rules of reviewing it are
01:58:26
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You're allowed they want you to use it
01:58:29
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I mean, it's not like you, you know, I'd get you get in any trouble if somebody says hey John Gruber has a gold iPhone
01:58:34
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I saw you're supposed to use it. You're not supposed to show it off
01:58:37
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You can't let other people touch it. I just didn't even want to bother with it.
01:58:41
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I thought putting in a case would just make sure, and I wanted to try the case. I found it a little
01:58:45
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hard to take out off, though. But I think in a good way where it's on solid. The rubbery case,
01:58:51
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the silicone case for the 5C is really easy to get on and off, though, because it's stretchy,
01:58:59
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as opposed to the leather one. And does the flashlight light up both? Yes, it does.
01:59:06
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Here's Ryan Jones. Ryan Jones asks, "Predict 5S sellout time. One minute."
01:59:12
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I don't think it's going to-- I think it's going to be very constrained.
01:59:17
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Yeah. Although, you know, what is sellout? Like, if it, you know, it's going to drop--
01:59:22
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I think it's going to drop to, you know, two weeks very quickly. Because who knows? I mean,
01:59:29
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it doesn't even go on sale to the 20th. Who knows what the first person who gets their order in,
01:59:33
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Who knows what the delivery time is? Apple hasn't said for online stuff. I mean, obviously,
01:59:40
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if you really want one on the 20th, the only way to do it is to get in line at an Apple
01:59:47
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I saw a thing yesterday where I think All Things D had a report from carriers that said
01:59:50
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that they got like a ridiculously small shipment of 5 S's. Well, don't forget that Tim Cook
01:59:57
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even said, I mean, this isn't speculation. Tim Cook said specifically earlier this year
02:00:01
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that they would like to sell a higher proportion of iPhones through their own stores. You know,
02:00:07
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that the carriers got fewer doesn't mean that Apple stores will have fewer.
02:00:12
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That's exactly right.
02:00:14
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Yeah, I mean, people read the worst into this stuff and it's not always the worst.
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It is going to be tight though. There's no doubt in my mind. And that's – I know
02:00:23
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for a fact that's why they didn't take preorders of it because it's going to be
02:00:26
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tighter. It's harder to make. And who knows what the reason is. Is it the A7? Is it the
02:00:30
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the touch ID sensor, is it both?
02:00:34
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Who knows, but it's new, it's new components,
02:00:37
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they're in demand.
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- It could be something as simple as they made
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a last minute change.
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- Yes, yeah.
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- And had to start over.
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- Yeah, but if you want one on day one
02:00:53
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and you wanna get up early and go to a retail store,
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don't think that hey, everybody's gonna go
02:00:58
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the Apple store so I'll go to Verizon or AT&T or Sprint or whatever and beat the lines.
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I think that's the wrong way to do it. I think if you really want one on day one, your best
02:01:07
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bet is to bite the bullet and get up in the middle of the night and get in line at your
02:01:10
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local Apple store because the Apple store is going to have a lot more than the carriers.
02:01:14
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Mad Fientist Agreed.
02:01:18
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Hmm, is Apple done with skeuomorphic design for good?
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I don't know. Is there room for iOS eg iBooks?
02:01:27
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I'll tell you what, this year I expect a new version of iBooks
02:01:31
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probably at the iPad event. I'm surprised we didn't get it already.
02:01:35
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I guess maybe they're waiting for the iPad event. I don't know.
02:01:38
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But I would be shocked if they don't redesign iBooks along the lines of newsstand
02:01:43
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where they get rid of this skeuomorphism.
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Is it gone for good?
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Ah, I mean, you know, forever is a long time, and, you know, fashion moves in cycles.
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Yeah, I hope it's not.
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I think it'll start coming back in small doses, you know.
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I think part of what brought the end of it was that it was taken to its, like, logical conclusion, where it couldn't get any more skeuomorphic, right?
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Like with retina to screens and the incredible color fidelity of these iOS devices, you know,
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it couldn't get anymore.
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So I think it was taken to an extreme and then they, you know, dialed it back.
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I think that, you know, it's almost like a dial that went all the way around to zero
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and now it'll start ticking up the other way again, I guess.
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I don't want to see them get rid of it altogether.
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It's so hard to detect fashion trends in the short term.
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You have to kind of take a long-term look.
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- Let's see.
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I might be wrapping up.
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You see any other good questions?
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- Sorry if I missed your good question.
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I'm sure that it was great and it's my fault
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that I missed it if you're out there
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and you did send a question.
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What do you think of the new notification center?
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I think it, I find it to be very useful.
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I think the reorganization of it is better to me.
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- I like Notification Center on iOS and the Mac.
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- Yeah. - I find it to be
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a very useful feature.
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It's another one of those things
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that fixes a pain point for me.
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You know, one that I didn't really know
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that there was a fix for.
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I can be working on either iOS or macOS
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and get a notification, just glance up and see,
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okay, it's nothing I have to worry about,
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and then keep working instead of stopping going to email
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and saying, oh, is that the email from Gruber
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I was waiting for?
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No, it's not, then go back.
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And you kind of lose your train.
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The momentum is gone at that point,
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especially if you get a lot of email or tweets or whatever.
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So I love it.
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Here's Marcus Mendez asks, if iOS 7 and Touch ID
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might be a way to seamlessly switch between profiles,
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and then there's a URL, I don't have time to read it,
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but I'm guessing what he means is sort of like
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multiple user accounts. I would say Touch ID maybe, but not with iOS 7. iOS 7 is clearly
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still like all previous versions of iOS, a single user OS. At some point in the future,
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could it switch to a multi-user's thing and could it be tied to like for let's say like
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a school system with some kind of cloud storage so that any kid could pick up any iPad in
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the classroom and use their fingerprint to get their stuff?
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I think I'm a cool. Yeah, I think sure I don't think it's an ios 7 thing though
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I think that's you know in the future, but it's the sort of cool thing that touch ID could could
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Could foreshadow yeah
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There's a here's an interesting one
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Daniel Reed I plan to use my 5s as a completely on the tethered device never sink over USB pros and cons I
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Think that's how I use mine now. Yeah, you know what I will I'm gonna jump in on our own
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And I'm going to say that I find restoring from an iCloud backup to be a pain in the
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Yeah, because it seems to me like I'm never quite done downloading all the apps.
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You know, like first it downloads your data, but doesn't download your apps.
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The apps then come back from the store, not from the backup.
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And it doesn't get them all.
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At least it didn't for me.
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Yeah, I did do my 5S like that through an iCloud backup in the hotel.
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And there were some apps, yeah, that it didn't download.
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I wasn't too concerned about the apps because they were trying.
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I don't even know what happened because it should be downloading them from iCloud because
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they were purchased apps.
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Well, no, the way that it works, though, is your iCloud—and this is smart in some ways—where
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the apps don't count against your backup because, hey, why bother?
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We're not going to take up your precious 20 gigs or whatever you've paid for of iCloud
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storage for apps because we've got them in the store.
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It's like a two-step process where the first step is your data, which is the most important
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thing, and then it syncs apps and downloads them from the store.
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And the same thing with music that you've bought with iTunes Match.
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It's like a separate process, but there's no good indication of how far along it is
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in restoring it.
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And just like you, I get these review units while I'm traveling to San Francisco and
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I'm stuck on hotel Wi-Fi.
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It's good enough to get my data and stuff like my email accounts reconfigured in mail,
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which alone is a huge convenience.
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You don't have to set up four different email accounts and type it all in.
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But to actually download the apps, it's sort of a pain in the ass.
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But in general, that's mostly how I use mine.
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The only time I ever even think about connecting my iPhone to a USB is to back up and restore
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just to get all the apps quicker than I can download them from iTunes.
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Yeah, I don't have Wi-Fi sync on anymore.
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I don't have, I remember being excited about
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Wi-Fi sync, I don't even use it anymore.
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I don't use, obviously, you plug it in to charge
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it, because my computer is always with me when
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I'm at home, it's very convenient.
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So I plug it in to charge it, but nothing
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happens in iTunes.
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You know, it pops up in iTunes, but it
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doesn't sync, you know, that's off.
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So it just, it's iCloud all the time.
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I don't even do anything.
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- Yeah, but anyway, I think it's certainly the future,
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and I think you'll probably do well
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doing it like that today.
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- Here's a quick question from Zach Kahn, good question.
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Any word on why AirDrop only works iOS to iOS
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and not iOS to iOS or Mac?
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My best guess, I do not have an answer,
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but my best guess is just wait.
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I think it will. I think it's almost inevitable that it will work. I can't imagine that they'd
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give the feature the same name and not have them work together yet.
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I don't know what technical problem, you know, has kept them from getting it to work together
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Yeah, it just seems like an obvious thing.
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I think that's about it. Here's one last question. It's from Christine Gambrel. I think this
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question is for you. Why are you so perfect?
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You know, I get asked that a lot and it's hard for me to explain.
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I think that that question would probably be best asked of Monique and Amy Jane.
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And I wouldn't want to be around for the answer.
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Darrell Bock Yeah, you've never smelled all the farts
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in my office.
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I'm not perfect.
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Dave Asprey I'm gorgeous, but I don't know if I'm
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for Jim. Why are you so gorgeous? Or even better, somebody else asked, I can't remember his name,
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somebody asked, "How come your laugh is not one of the new ringtones?"
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Jim Dalrymple See? It should be a purple phone with a laugh for a ringtone.
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John "Slick" Baum: Yeah.
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Jim Dalrymple Apple would sell like 50 million of them.
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But no, they don't listen to me.
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John "Slick" Baum Yeah, they don't know what they're doing.
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All right, Jim Dalrymple, thank you very much. What a great show.
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Jim Dalrymple Thanks a lot, John.
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And thank you everybody out there sent those questions in I think a lot of those were good and and for all the ones we
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Missed I'll try to answer them on Twitter instead, but thanks