The Talk Show

15: The Moltzphone EXTREMO III DX, with John Moltz


00:00:00   I'm nervous. Let me tell you why I'm nervous. John Moltz.

00:00:02   Late on me. I'm thinking here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking

00:00:06   and maybe we talk a little politics. Oh, wow. Here's what I'm thinking. This is what I'm thinking.

00:00:12   Did you watch it? Did you watch Bill Clinton last night at the convention? I watched a lot of it.

00:00:17   It was long. And here's why we can talk about it. And nobody can complain. Steve Jobs's wife,

00:00:24   Lauren Powell Jobs was there in the audience. And they showed her on TV. Did you know? Did you

00:00:28   to catch that? I did not see that part. She was sitting next to, right next to Chelsea Clinton.

00:00:32   Okay. So that makes it on topic. I suppose so. If you want to go there.

00:00:39   You know what? I would like to do it in a way. Can you do it in a way? Can we, can I praise

00:00:45   Bill Clinton in a way that is apolitical? That even if you were, you're a happy talk show listener

00:00:53   who loves the tech talk and really loves it when I talk sports, can we talk politics in

00:01:00   a way that wouldn't turn anybody off, regardless of how you intend to vote or your interest in the

00:01:04   election? I believe we can do it. I believe we cannot do it, but I'm willing to try.

00:01:09   All I want to say is that I just think Bill Clinton is the greatest speaker I've ever

00:01:17   seen in my life. It was really, it seems to me that have been the best speech of any of the

00:01:22   anything so far we've seen in the last two weeks. Right. If I were including, including Motorola and

00:01:27   Nokia, like I have a dual interest in politics, where on the one side, I'm interested in politics.

00:01:35   On a policy level, you know, like, like, what actually happens and which way it goes,

00:01:42   and I tend to be sort of liberal in that way. But I'm also very interested in politics as sport.

00:01:50   you know, the election politics and the strategy and how you frame stuff and how you make the

00:01:56   commercials and do that. And in that way, I can abstract my personal preferences, I think, to some

00:02:03   degree, and appreciate when the Republicans do things clever, cleverly or smartly. And, you know,

00:02:10   like I said, what I remember from the last decade is thinking that that Karl Rove,

00:02:14   I just remember thinking, man, I wish that guy were a Democrat.

00:02:19   Yeah.

00:02:20   Because that guy was crafty.

00:02:22   Yeah.

00:02:24   I can respect it.

00:02:25   I can't say that I enjoy it.

00:02:27   Yeah, enjoying it is a little different.

00:02:29   I can appreciate it.

00:02:30   Maybe that's the better term.

00:02:33   And I would be depressed.

00:02:34   I would be very depressed, I think,

00:02:35   if I were a Republican this time around.

00:02:37   Because it doesn't seem to me like they've

00:02:39   got anybody like that.

00:02:42   They don't have a strategy or a cohesiveness.

00:02:45   They sort of remind me--

00:02:46   I thought their convention reminded me

00:02:48   of the first Democratic conventions that I can remember paying attention to, like the

00:02:55   Dukakis one in '88, where the reputation of the Democrats is that they're all sort of

00:03:00   all over the map and they don't really have a playbook for the whole party that everybody

00:03:04   sticks to it.

00:03:05   Everybody just gets up there and says whatever they want.

00:03:08   Right.

00:03:09   And the Democrats seem to have turned around where I think with the Kerry convention, they

00:03:15   were the ones that looked sort of hapless.

00:03:17   Now they seem to be really firing on all cylinders.

00:03:23   And just they have like a very simple message that everybody repeats.

00:03:27   Right.

00:03:28   That's what I wanted to say.

00:03:31   I can't wait to see it.

00:03:33   That's fine.

00:03:34   Do you think – I am very curious to see if I get any angry email.

00:03:38   Oh, I'm sure you will.

00:03:40   I'm writing one right now.

00:03:42   What a week. It's been crazy, man. Everybody is releasing these phones but they're not

00:03:49   like releasing phones.

00:03:50   Yeah. I don't know if you saw Twitter this morning but I am also releasing a phone. Because

00:03:58   you got to – if you want to control your own future, your own destiny, you really have

00:04:04   to have your own phone, right? And I think it just makes sense for someone who is a freelance

00:04:10   writer to have their own phone.

00:04:12   Because I have a lot of content.

00:04:16   So anyway.

00:04:17   Do you have a name for it yet?

00:04:19   Yeah.

00:04:20   It's the Moltzphone Xtremo 3DX.

00:04:23   Oh, see, now I don't think that's a good name.

00:04:26   And it's all in capital letters.

00:04:31   So that's what makes a good name.

00:04:34   Do you spell – when you're right on your site and you have control over it and you

00:04:38   I don't have an editor. Do you spell the words like "razor" all caps like if they ask you to?

00:04:43   Like Motorola's style.

00:04:45   I try not to spell them at all.

00:04:47   But...

00:04:50   I would probably spell the razor part. I don't know. I don't know why. I mean I try to avoid it.

00:04:56   It just seems really douchey.

00:04:58   But uh...

00:05:00   It does seem like the razor brand. You know back when I had a razor flip phone.

00:05:07   Yeah, that seemed like it. I was like that was all capitalized for some reason. I don't capitalize. I don't capitalize. Yeah

00:05:12   There might be an exception somewhere, but if somebody asks for their word to be spelled all caps

00:05:17   I don't I don't do that. That's probably that's probably better. I mean unless it's an acronym

00:05:22   Exactly, if it is a legitimate actor dumb game. You're just playing a dumb game. They're playing right?

00:05:29   Like I think but it sometimes it's hard to figure out how to spell it

00:05:35   otherwise. And I'll give you a good example. Here's a good example. And I often I think if you looked

00:05:42   at the daring fireball archives, if you went through, I think it was probably one of the

00:05:45   hopefully rare places where I've been inconsistent is next. Yeah. And, and even worse, their operating

00:05:55   system next step, yeah, which they used to spell all caps, except the E was lowercase. And that's

00:06:02   And that's how they spelled the company name next, uppercase N, lowercase E, uppercase

00:06:08   X, uppercase T, which was sort of like a very '80s way of looking techy.

00:06:18   But it's against my style guide.

00:06:20   And I think that one of the reasons they do it is like a shameless attempt at getting

00:06:25   some extra – like if somebody is scanning a webpage or even going back further, remember

00:06:31   print?

00:06:32   It's a way of gaining attention, you know, that it makes this word pop out, you know,

00:06:38   that when you see razor, it's kind of pop out because the letters are all are all higher.

00:06:42   Likewise, I don't I don't I don't use the exclamation mark in Yahoo's name.

00:06:48   Yeah.

00:06:49   I should write that I have a long standing draft. I mean, like

00:06:55   Your your style guide?

00:06:56   sort of I wanted to write just about all these things you know yeah sort of about

00:07:02   my policies on punctuation and you know yeah my own personal style guide but

00:07:09   it's that the draft the title of the draft I don't even know if I said I'll

00:07:13   say it because it's been at least eight years so I'm probably never gonna do it

00:07:18   But the title is "Why I Won't Bang Yahoo!"

00:07:27   It also occurs to me, but anyway, I won't give them the exclamation mark.

00:07:35   Because you can't do that.

00:07:37   But then people holler at me.

00:07:39   People get mad.

00:07:40   I'm talking a little bit like my dad, because I spent some time at the shore

00:07:47   with my folks. My dad will use the verb "holler" to say that somebody's angry at you. But people

00:07:54   hollered at me about spelling Apple's products, not the way Apple spells them.

00:08:01   Yeah.

00:08:02   So like when I spell Mac Mini, I capitalize the M instead of all lower cases because it's

00:08:08   a name. It's somebody's name. If somebody like the writer, her name is Dana Boyd, she

00:08:17   stylistically, like on her own site and stuff, prefers to spell her entire name with lowercase

00:08:21   letters. But if I write about her, I'd capitalize her name like I would anybody else's.

00:08:24   Just to be consistent. To me, your name is a series of letters. You don't get to choose

00:08:31   which ones are capitalized. We capitalize them then according to a set of rules.

00:08:34   But then the iPhone is also a violation of that.

00:08:41   Right. And that's what people say I'm being a hypocrite because I always lowercase the I

00:08:46   in an eye product, no matter where it falls,

00:08:49   like the beginning of a sentence or in a headline

00:08:51   or something like that.

00:08:53   And one reason for that is that it just

00:08:55   looks stupid when it really looks awful

00:08:58   when you capitalize it.

00:09:00   And have you ever--

00:09:01   Yes.

00:09:02   Sometimes in the New York Times, you see it,

00:09:04   it's capitalized at the beginning

00:09:05   of a sentence or something.

00:09:06   It just looks terrible.

00:09:07   It does.

00:09:08   And the other reason is that-- and I guess just

00:09:10   to explain my reluctance to do something so ugly,

00:09:14   I've justified it by saying by telling myself that it's a

00:09:18   Prefix sort of like

00:09:22   Like in a Scottish or Irish surname with the MC or an MAC

00:09:26   Where there's this it now there they started with the M but or like the somebody's name you put an apostrophe in there

00:09:34   right

00:09:37   It's like a--

00:09:37   --the apostrophe phone.

00:09:38   Or somebody's name has a D-E in it, you know, John DeMoltz.

00:09:42   And the D-E is lowercase.

00:09:44   Well, then that's OK.

00:09:45   It's like a prefix.

00:09:49   So I consider the I in those names to be like that.

00:09:51   And also, the lowercase I, it's not obnoxious.

00:09:54   It doesn't-- like, the exclamation mark in Yahoo to me

00:09:56   is obnoxious when I see it in the middle of a sentence.

00:09:58   It is.

00:10:00   The all uppercase razor is just obnoxious.

00:10:04   I mean, the phones that they announced yesterday, it's just ridiculous.

00:10:10   They're all uppercase.

00:10:12   Three phones.

00:10:13   I can't even remember the names off the top of my head right now, but they're all...

00:10:18   I can't either.

00:10:19   Yeah, which is another sign that it's not exactly working for them.

00:10:23   Motorola Razordroid Max?

00:10:26   Yeah, one of them's the Max, one of them's the M, and then the other one's like the Max

00:10:32   HD or something?

00:10:33   Oh no, no, no, it's the Droid HD. One's just the HD and one's the HD Max. And Max has

00:10:39   at least three Xs. But not uppercase.

00:10:45   No, they are uppercase.

00:10:48   Oh, even the Max?

00:10:49   Yeah, if you look at their website anyway, if you look at the product website,

00:10:53   they are actually uppercase.

00:10:54   Oh, now I gotta go. I gotta go.

00:10:56   Yeah.

00:10:59   I think your pal, Paris Lemon, he had a post on Tumblr yesterday about that, I think.

00:11:10   I'll have to look at that.

00:11:12   Very hard to see.

00:11:14   Well, here's the site that I linked to yesterday at LaptopMag.

00:11:20   Now, they're spelling it--they're spelling Razer uppercase, but not Mac's uppercase.

00:11:26   But HD is uppercase, of course, because it's an acronym.

00:11:31   But I don't know, maybe you're right that Motorola spells it differently.

00:11:34   Yeah, because he had mentioned that, and I went to their product page, and it looks like

00:11:38   they are spelling it all uppercase.

00:11:43   Yeah, that's really going to help.

00:11:47   It's like they're yelling at you.

00:11:50   I wrote about this that I don't understand why they have the two versions of the HD,

00:11:57   the one the max and the non max because they're both big phones. And they both have big batteries.

00:12:03   It's not like hey, this one has a free if you know, for those of you who really burned

00:12:07   through batteries in a day, here's the one where we're going to just make it heavier

00:12:10   and put a big battery in for you. And here's the regular one. It seems it's not like here's

00:12:14   a regular battery is a big battery. It's here's a big thick battery. And here's one with a

00:12:18   the bigger, slightly thicker battery.

00:12:21   It just seems to me like they couldn't decide

00:12:23   and so they just shipped them both.

00:12:25   I don't understand why both of those phones exist,

00:12:29   whereas the M seems like it's obviously different.

00:12:32   It's smaller and it's cheaper.

00:12:34   So I can see why it exists.

00:12:36   There's a lot going on there I don't understand.

00:12:40   They didn't invent that.

00:12:42   And I mean the whole thing,

00:12:44   I don't understand why Google-- I kind of understand why they bought them, given where

00:12:52   they are now.

00:12:55   But I still don't understand.

00:12:56   I just don't understand Android.

00:12:57   No, I don't either.

00:12:59   I don't understand.

00:13:01   And the announcement, trying to follow along with the announcement yesterday, I mean, I

00:13:05   wasn't watching the video.

00:13:06   I was just watching live blog coverage and stuff.

00:13:09   I did.

00:13:10   I got confused at several points.

00:13:11   And I do – I was surprised – I guess I shouldn't be.

00:13:15   Maybe I should have taken Google at their word when they said that they were kind of

00:13:18   going to leave Motorola alone, that they weren't going to – I just couldn't believe it

00:13:22   because why would you spend billions of dollars to buy Motorola if you weren't going to

00:13:26   run them the way you want them to be run?

00:13:29   And yet that doesn't seem like what they're doing.

00:13:32   Like they're still putting like custom Motorola skins on the phones.

00:13:35   I mean they're saying – I saw a lot of the coverage of it says that it's toned

00:13:38   to down, that the skin is not as much on top of pure Android 4.0 as previous Motorola phones.

00:13:49   But it's still there.

00:13:51   And I don't understand because I thought Google has been pretty explicit that they kind of

00:13:55   want to discourage that, that they would like more phone makers to just ship Android with

00:14:01   a consistent, you know, everybody gets it.

00:14:04   And it also seems like they're shipping a slightly older version of Android.

00:14:07   They are. I think they did say that it would get the most up-to-date version, but it, you know, which was, of course, they have to say that, which is kind of odd.

00:14:16   But, yeah, they're not shipping the absolute latest version.

00:14:19   And here's the thing that drove me nuts yesterday, and I seriously, I wasted at least an hour, and with this combined with the Lumia ones, trying to find the prices of these things.

00:14:30   And me, like a dummy, thought, well, there must be somewhere.

00:14:34   And I just thought, well, maybe the coverage is-- there's so much news going on that none

00:14:40   of these sites-- maybe they just haven't noticed that they haven't reported yet.

00:14:43   So I was loading Gadget and then The Verge.

00:14:46   And I think I even went to Gizmodo at one point.

00:14:49   I don't know.

00:14:50   I blacked out.

00:14:52   And I'm like, I went to the Motorola site, and nobody has prices, right?

00:14:56   Am I wrong?

00:14:57   There's, I believe, how many phones were announced yesterday?

00:15:00   Five?

00:15:01   Because Motorola announced three, and there were two Lumias.

00:15:09   And there was only one price announced, as far as I know, and that was for the M, which

00:15:15   was $99.

00:15:16   Which was $99.

00:15:17   Yeah, and none of the other phones are shipping yet.

00:15:21   Right.

00:15:22   So four of the five phones announced yesterday, we have no ship dates yet and we have no prices.

00:15:29   Right.

00:15:30   Right.

00:15:31   And the other two phones now, we've got the Lumia 9200 and the Lumia 80 – no, not 920

00:15:40   and the Lumia 820.

00:15:42   820.

00:15:43   And the 820 looks to me like a nicer size.

00:15:46   Like I really am not a fan of those bigger phones.

00:15:51   I've tried carrying some of those around, and I just don't care for them.

00:15:55   And the Lumia that I got to try last year, I think it's the 800, is exactly iPhone-shaped,

00:16:03   more or less.

00:16:05   It's really, really close.

00:16:06   And I found it to be delightful to put in my pocket and to carry.

00:16:14   Those are fairly good-looking phones.

00:16:15   I'm not a big fan of the bright colors, but I think they're--

00:16:18   But you can get black.

00:16:19   Yeah, but you can't get black, right?

00:16:21   Right. But it just seems like spec wise that the Lumia, the new 820 is really like low end,

00:16:28   like it's it's old tech, it's really like a low res screen. Like the 800 by 400, or, you know,

00:16:35   add a few pixels, whatever it is to make it 16 by nine, but it's like an 800 by 400 pixel screen.

00:16:41   Whereas the 920 as like, what, like a 1200 1280 by 768 screen. Like it's,

00:16:50   It's actually got more pixels per inch than the iPhone 4S.

00:16:54   Like by like two or three.

00:16:56   It's like 326 pixels per inch for the Apple's retina display.

00:16:59   And it's like 330 or 333 or something like that on this new Lumia.

00:17:04   Which sounds, that sounds great. I can't wait to see it.

00:17:06   Are you on a rocking horse?

00:17:08   I am.

00:17:10   There's some, there's some, do you have a boom mic?

00:17:14   I do. I'm going to try to sit still.

00:17:16   Yes. I think I hear.

00:17:18   Sorry, John.

00:17:19   I'm very nervous. I know. Yeah. Yeah, I understand. It's okay still is in lots of coffee. I'm sure

00:17:24   Hmm. I just took a sip. Yeah

00:17:28   But anyway, so they announced a phone where the software is not available yet

00:17:34   And it doesn't even have a firm ship date other than quote unquote fall

00:17:38   You know, so I guess sometime before December

00:17:42   And

00:17:46   No prices. I don't even think they said what carriers in the US are gonna carry it and I know it's a worldwide announcement

00:17:54   That they're gonna sell this thing all over the world in that I shouldn't be totally u.s

00:17:57   Centric and that Nokia does a lot better in Europe than they do in North America blah blah blah

00:18:01   But it's you know, tell me I mean it just seems frustrating to me. It's like I

00:18:04   Here's to me every product announcements. Here's what it is. Here's why you should care about it

00:18:10   Here's where to get it and here's what it costs and and now they're making these product announcements without

00:18:16   without where to get it and what it costs.

00:18:18   And we now have two in a row from Microsoft.

00:18:21   Right.

00:18:22   Right.

00:18:23   And I guess this one will be nearer term than the Surface tablets were.

00:18:27   I mean, a matter of weeks rather than half a year.

00:18:32   But it does seem weird.

00:18:33   And it just seems to me like a way.

00:18:35   I mean, where I'm leading with this whole thing is that it just seems very clear to

00:18:39   me that these companies have jumped the gun this week because they want to announce these

00:18:46   things before Apple announces the next iPhone next week.

00:18:51   And I don't understand why.

00:18:53   I don't –

00:18:54   Yeah.

00:18:55   I don't – I mean, I guess the theory is that you're – you put that placeholder

00:19:01   in people's minds so they don't run out and buy the iPhone.

00:19:04   But is that – is it really going to stop – I mean, how many people is it going to

00:19:07   stop from buying an iPhone?

00:19:08   You know, that's a very interesting way to put it, and that didn't occur to me.

00:19:14   That might be it, and I think it might be fueled a little bit by hubris where it –

00:19:20   Dan Bausch You think that people are going to stop from

00:19:23   lining up to buy an iPhone because you announced this thing that doesn't have any price or

00:19:27   ship date.

00:19:28   Michael Green Right, that they're so convinced in the

00:19:31   appeal of what they're announcing that they think that there might be a sizable number

00:19:36   of people who will think that way.

00:19:39   See, where I think it's crazy is, to me,

00:19:43   the whole point of doing a product announcement that

00:19:46   gets as much press attention as you can garner

00:19:50   is to drive people to action and say, look,

00:19:53   we want you to be excited about this,

00:19:55   and we want you to go order it right now.

00:19:57   Go buy one.

00:19:58   Right.

00:19:59   Go get in line.

00:20:02   Whereas I just feel like it's a very complicated message,

00:20:05   And I don't think it's the way consumers act is to say, here's this thing we're going to

00:20:09   have in a couple of weeks.

00:20:11   Remember it.

00:20:14   Stay excited about it and go get in line six weeks from now.

00:20:20   By contrast, today, as we speak, Amazon has announced a bunch of Kindle Fire Kindle readers.

00:20:32   What have they still is it literally as we're talking?

00:20:35   literally as we're talking yes it's going on right so do the news John Molt

00:20:38   they have announced a what's a kindle paper as people were joking that's the

00:20:46   Kindle paperweight but that's not the name of it it's uh it's basically it's a

00:20:50   backlit you know regular Kindle just like the basically just the e-reader

00:20:59   E Ink. E Ink with but backlit paper light I guess probably paper light and

00:21:07   like a hundred and starts at a hundred and twenty dollars something like that and then

00:21:12   also two new Kindle fires and one is a one is a nine inch HD so far that is

00:21:22   what I see so far and the big room up in the air yeah a big rumor is that they'll

00:21:29   be announcing a phone. Right. Well, we'll stay tuned. And we will stay tuned. Yeah.

00:21:36   What is their 8.9 inch? But they're, you know, they're announcing, they're announcing prices

00:21:42   and dates. Right. Well, and that's because, you know, and that's why Amazon is, in my

00:21:47   opinion, Apple's strongest competitor. Yeah, it's almost it's like they're in a position

00:21:52   of strength like Apple, whereas Microsoft and Motorola are not.

00:21:57   Right.

00:21:58   Well, this sounds like a good tablet.

00:22:00   8.9 inches, 920 by 1200 display.

00:22:04   That's 254 pixels per inch.

00:22:06   So that's like right there in line with the retina iPad.

00:22:12   Yeah.

00:22:13   Right.

00:22:14   You know, I think it's-- I don't know.

00:22:16   It's sick that I even know this.

00:22:17   But I think the retina iPad is 263 pixels per inch.

00:22:21   And I would completely concede that nine pixels per inches is you could that's a rounding error

00:22:27   So that sounds good

00:22:29   the base Kindle fire

00:22:31   $159 with 7 inch tablets and what does the 8.9 inch cost?

00:22:36   Scrolling scrolling scrolling

00:22:41   I don't see it yet, but I don't see it

00:22:46   Well, that's how you do it. That's right. Here. We are here. We are live news Amazon helping out the talk show during the recording

00:22:53   Yeah

00:22:55   by just

00:22:57   Doing exactly what I said, here's what it is. Here's why you'd be interested in it. Here's where to get it

00:23:05   And consequently I get more excited by their announcements

00:23:09   Exactly. I mean even when they're just coming up I

00:23:14   last year when the the Kindle was was announced that that is probably the most excited I've been for another product announcement outside of Apple

00:23:21   ever

00:23:23   and I'm also intrigued by the the

00:23:26   the vectors of

00:23:29   Competition in other words who's more in competition with each other?

00:23:34   I mean ultimately they're all in competition. Like let's just say for the tablet market and you have a

00:23:40   10-year-old kid who really wants a tablet for Christmas.

00:23:43   Well, you're only going to buy them one.

00:23:44   So in a sense, they're all competing with each other

00:23:47   to have an array of devices that you're going to choose from

00:23:51   and spend $200 or $300 or $400 on a gift for your eight-year-old

00:23:56   daughter.

00:23:57   But they're not really competing with each other equally.

00:24:05   I think Amazon is far more focused against Google

00:24:09   with this type of the tablets. Yeah. Oh, here. And you know what, here's an email I just got from a

00:24:14   reader. Here's a line from Jeff Bezos at the event for a high def device. Eight gigabytes is dead on

00:24:21   arrival. That's clearly about the the Google Nexus seven. Yeah, which only has eight gigabytes of

00:24:29   storage, which does seem very well, except I think he's there. He's talking about the nine inch.

00:24:34   So I think he's talking about the larger--

00:24:37   because the HD one is the larger form factor.

00:24:40   Yeah.

00:24:41   Well, I don't know.

00:24:42   And I don't think anybody sells--

00:24:43   I mean, Google doesn't sell a 9, 10 inch tablet.

00:24:48   Yeah, but the tablet they do sell only has 8 gigabytes.

00:24:50   Yes.

00:24:51   Yes.

00:24:51   But I'm not sure.

00:24:52   I think that maybe the base Kindle still

00:24:54   has 8 gigabytes.

00:24:56   Do you fill up your iPad?

00:24:59   Not anymore, because I got a 32.

00:25:01   I mean, I used to have a 16, and I filled that up right early.

00:25:03   Exactly.

00:25:03   The 16 was a real struggle because I think I got the first one was only 16 because I

00:25:11   just thought you don't – I really bought into the idea that I would only just sink

00:25:15   – if I needed a movie, I'd put the movie on and then when I was done, I would take

00:25:18   it off and then it's –

00:25:20   Yeah.

00:25:21   You have to be – you have to get pretty adept at managing that.

00:25:23   Right.

00:25:24   And the thing that I have found too is if you're going to go on a trip and you want

00:25:28   some movies on your iPad, you got to put them all on before you leave the house because

00:25:31   you don't want to do it at-- you're not going to get it on the airport Wi-Fi.

00:25:36   You're definitely not-- they don't even allow you to do it over 3G if you have the 3G model.

00:25:41   And even if you did, one movie would use up the whole data allotment.

00:25:45   You don't even want to try it at a hotel with their Wi-Fi.

00:25:50   Exactly.

00:25:51   Right.

00:25:52   It's just going to-- your iPad's just going to shut down and tell you, stop, stop, stop.

00:25:56   And your kid's sitting there screaming for Clone Wars.

00:25:59   Exactly.

00:26:00   You've got to load them up.

00:26:01   You want to load up a couple movies, you really – all of a sudden, 32 is what you need.

00:26:07   Yeah.

00:26:08   So that's where I went the last time.

00:26:12   I don't do that with the iPhone.

00:26:14   I still go 16 with the iPhone because I just don't – because I have the iPad.

00:26:19   I don't watch anything on the iPhone anymore really.

00:26:23   See, I go – I max out my iPhone because I'm an idiot.

00:26:26   64?

00:26:27   Yeah, I do.

00:26:28   I just buy the biggest one.

00:26:30   Because I'm a total idiot. I really am. What was my tweet from a couple years

00:26:35   ago? It's my all-time most-favorited tweet. I think it was something along the

00:26:39   lines of, "I don't drink, I don't gamble, my only vice is buying a new

00:26:47   iPhone every year. That and lying about drinking and gambling." No, I do. And

00:26:54   you know why it is? I put all my music on it, the whole

00:26:59   library. I synced the whole library and I need the 64 for that because otherwise, like twice,

00:27:06   like two times, I've been on an airplane and the only thing I have to listen to music is my iPhone

00:27:11   and I've been in the mood for something particular and it wasn't in the subset of my library that I

00:27:16   synced. And then I thought, well, the next time I buy a phone, I'm getting the big one, so I

00:27:22   net that'll never happen to me again. 128. Yeah.

00:27:28   Did you ever have a huge iPod?

00:27:31   I forget how big they got. They got absolutely enormous.

00:27:36   I did not. I got off the hard drive ones pretty early. It was before they went metallic. It was

00:27:43   still like white plastic. But I forget how big my biggest iPod was. But the hard drives quickly got

00:27:51   to a size where it was ridiculous. It was even just-

00:27:54   They really did.

00:27:55   yeah, buying a hard drive based iPod got you one that to me as a person who has, enjoys some music,

00:28:01   but is not like a huge, huge music guy like I've my library, I don't know. But it fits on a 64

00:28:06   gigabyte iPhone. It gets like in the 360 160 gigs. That's what that's all that's crazy. I think they

00:28:12   had one bigger than that, though. Didn't I thought that I thought they did too. I thought that they

00:28:16   think they got rid of the super huge model. Right. And now they just have the huge model.

00:28:22   But that's, you know, I still do, I do understand though that that's useful.

00:28:27   Yeah.

00:28:27   And DJs, right, DJs and people who are just serious about music.

00:28:34   And I'm not that, I mean, I never have that problem.

00:28:37   It used to be, I remember one time, like a close friend was getting married, and because

00:28:44   it was, they were close, it's like somehow I forget why, maybe I was in the wedding party

00:28:47   or something. We had to go to the reception real early. And I got to see the DJ setting up. And

00:28:53   it's just like 20 minutes of going back and forth to his van to get milk crates full of CDs and

00:29:01   albums out of the van. And that's all, you know, that's all over now. Right. I remember like in

00:29:09   high school, like in high school dances, like the DJ would have, you know, just piles and piles,

00:29:14   you know, all like a library of CDs behind them. Yeah. Now you don't need that. You just have an

00:29:18   iPod. I'm looking, I'm looking back. Actually, I think 160 might be the largest it ever got.

00:29:25   Well, I could be wrong. I can tell you exactly how many pixels fringe are on an iPad.

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00:34:02   You're like you're like Bruce Wayne in the in the pool with a with a with a with some

00:34:07   with some some models.

00:34:10   The Kindle Fire HD.

00:34:12   This is the nine inch one will be available for $299.

00:34:17   $299 Wow. aggressive. Yeah, aggressive. setting the bar. Right. That's $100 less than I had

00:34:26   to. Yeah. Is it? I'm correct. Right? 390 399 for the iPad two, which is not a high res

00:34:33   screen. Right. I think I could be wrong. I have this hunch that when Apple unveils the

00:34:42   iPad mini that they're going to get rid of the iPad 2?

00:34:45   Oh, really?

00:34:47   I don't know, though.

00:34:48   I might be wrong, though, because maybe that's how they still fill in that.

00:34:52   Maybe it would still leave like a big price gap.

00:34:54   Yeah, I think it would.

00:34:56   Yeah.

00:34:57   I mean, we talked about this before.

00:34:58   We were, what, 250?

00:35:02   But now –

00:35:03   That's what I'm thinking.

00:35:04   Oh, 250.

00:35:05   But maybe they have to go – they might have to go 199 because what's the price on the

00:35:08   7-inch Kindle?

00:35:11   Now it's less, so it's 160, I think.

00:35:15   Wow.

00:35:16   Yeah.

00:35:17   Yeah, 169.

00:35:18   Yeah, 159.

00:35:19   Aggressive.

00:35:20   Amazon's kind of crazy.

00:35:23   Amazon's the guy at the poker table.

00:35:24   Oh, so now they've got three models.

00:35:28   They have the old Kindle Fire, which is actually an upgraded old Kindle Fire for $159, seven-inch

00:35:36   HD for $199 and then 8.9 inch HD for $299.

00:35:47   Ships November 20th at the top of the line there.

00:35:52   That's pretty late.

00:35:53   That shows you that they're pushing it.

00:35:54   I mean at least they have a date.

00:35:56   They have a date, right, and a price.

00:35:58   And a price.

00:36:01   Amazon's pricing.

00:36:02   willingness to sell stuff seemingly at cost or near cost.

00:36:08   That makes them like the crazy guy at the poker table.

00:36:10   Like the guy, like you're playing poker and there's Jeff Bezos and he just doesn't even

00:36:14   look at his cards.

00:36:15   You deal them out and he just leaves them on the table and he just says, "I bet $100."

00:36:20   And now you don't even know.

00:36:22   The guy's nuts.

00:36:23   You have no idea.

00:36:25   He's – I mean it's really aggressive.

00:36:28   I guess it works for them.

00:36:29   I mean, I they have a lot of content, right? So anything they sell it at costs, they anything

00:36:40   they get up above that is gravy.

00:36:42   Right. And they, you know, I just I know, you know, I they've just announced this stuff. So we can't say, you know, nobody, nobody's reviewed these these products yet. But I expect them to be pretty good. Simply because of the history where the original Kindle e ink tablet, or

00:36:59   E! Inc. reader. The first one was terrible. It was a complete turd. One year later, they

00:37:06   had a pretty good one. That's just how they roll is that they're going to ship one a year

00:37:11   too early just to hit the market and test the waters. They're going to fix all of the

00:37:18   egregious problems within that first year. That's what I expect.

00:37:27   They will never ever announce sales.

00:37:29   You didn't buy a fire, did you?

00:37:31   No, I didn't.

00:37:32   I completely resisted.

00:37:35   I wanted to and then by the time they shipped, I cooled off.

00:37:40   Yeah.

00:37:41   It didn't seem as good as what I wanted it to be.

00:37:44   Like I said, I was excited for the announcement and then somewhat let down after reading the

00:37:49   reviews and hopefully these will be better.

00:37:52   Yeah.

00:37:53   I really do expect them to.

00:37:54   I really do think that it's more competitive, more directly competitive with the Google

00:38:01   Nexus than with the iPad.

00:38:05   We'll see.

00:38:08   But I feel like…

00:38:09   Yeah, I think these bigger ones now though, they're 4G.

00:38:13   I don't know what more expensive one is coming with 4G.

00:38:18   32 gigs of space, $499.

00:38:24   I wonder how the E Ink ones are still selling.

00:38:27   I suspect--

00:38:28   I used to see it when I used to commute.

00:38:30   I saw a ton of those things on the train.

00:38:33   I really think, though--

00:38:34   I think with those E Ink ones-- and I could be wrong.

00:38:37   But I do think--

00:38:38   because I have one.

00:38:41   And I didn't even buy it for myself.

00:38:44   Our good friend Marco Arment bought it for me as a gift.

00:38:47   And it's the two-year-old one.

00:38:49   It's the Kindle--

00:38:51   I forget what model year it is.

00:38:53   but it's dark gray and it has a physical keyboard.

00:38:57   And I do enjoy it.

00:38:58   And I used it more than I thought for a while

00:39:01   until I really kind of got used to reading books on the iPad.

00:39:07   But I do think, though, that once you have one,

00:39:10   you don't really need a new one two years later just

00:39:13   because it's a little better.

00:39:15   I don't think it's as much like phones and tablets,

00:39:17   because you don't do as many other things.

00:39:21   I think a backlit one might change that to a certain degree.

00:39:25   Yeah, a backlit one might.

00:39:26   That might be a...

00:39:27   Yeah, but if it's just the regular one, no.

00:39:30   You don't.

00:39:31   Because I do see, when I see people on airplanes reading with an E Ink tablet, there are a

00:39:36   lot of them.

00:39:37   I see a lot of older Kindles.

00:39:38   I just don't know that people replace them as frequently.

00:39:46   What they drop the price to?

00:39:47   Now the price is down to $69 for an E Ink tablet.

00:39:50   I know there's some speculation that they were going to make it free.

00:39:54   That's the one with ads though, right?

00:39:58   Yeah, I think so.

00:39:59   I think that's the one with ads.

00:40:00   Yeah, the lowest priced one comes with ads.

00:40:02   Right.

00:40:04   That I would not buy.

00:40:05   So does the 7-inch tablet, does the 7-inch Kindle have any 3G connectivity or just the

00:40:10   9-inch one?

00:40:11   No.

00:40:12   I think just the 9-inch one.

00:40:15   I think that's where Apple really, depending on the pricing, I think that's where they're

00:40:19   really going to steal the show on the iPad mini because I'm convinced that they're going

00:40:24   to sell it with the same either get cheap, you know, Wi Fi only is cheaper and for 100

00:40:31   extra bucks, you can get one with 4g. And then you know, the Nexus doesn't have it and

00:40:38   the Amazon one doesn't have it. Yeah.

00:40:42   So you're you flying out? I am flying out. I was just about to segue to that you're so

00:40:47   So astute, John.

00:40:48   I am funny.

00:40:49   I really am.

00:40:51   For the Big Apple event.

00:40:53   You will not be there, I'm guessing.

00:40:57   I still have not gotten my invitation.

00:40:58   You know what?

00:41:00   That's going to happen now.

00:41:01   It should happen.

00:41:02   You should get invited to stuff like that.

00:41:07   Well, that would be fun.

00:41:10   A lot of speculation, surprisingly.

00:41:14   people don't speculate in advance of Apple announcements?

00:41:17   [LAUGHTER]

00:41:23   Took me a minute.

00:41:25   Did you see-- have you seen the-- and next week's thing

00:41:30   seems pretty clear.

00:41:31   The invitation kind of hints with the shadow

00:41:34   that looks like a five.

00:41:35   The invitation seems to make it pretty clear that it's

00:41:40   going to be about the iPhone 5.

00:41:42   And I have heard from my famous little birdies

00:41:45   that I have heard that the event will only be about the iPhone.

00:41:50   And I think corresponding with that, iOS 6, which I'm guessing

00:41:54   will have some sort of feature that they hadn't announced previously.

00:41:58   And I'm guessing some apps, that they always

00:42:00   have new apps from Apple to show off the phone.

00:42:06   Maybe some new Siri features and stuff like that.

00:42:10   But that's what I've heard, is that the event

00:42:12   will be about one device, the iPhone 5, and the software that runs on it.

00:42:19   But just in terms of that sort of speculation and hype that people generate in advance of

00:42:27   these things, you see MacRumors paid a guy to do like a 3D render of what the iPad mini

00:42:33   could look like.

00:42:34   Oh, I just saw that quickly.

00:42:39   It's really well done and it's like done in WebGL, which I don't recall ever having used

00:42:46   before.

00:42:47   You have to go in the develop menu in Safari and turn it on.

00:42:49   But then it's like the old QuickTime GL where you can click and drag and rotate it in 3D

00:42:55   wherever you want, but it's a 3D render.

00:42:59   Really well done.

00:43:00   I mean, and it looks totally credible.

00:43:02   It looks like it could be an Apple device.

00:43:05   But I just can't fathom commissioning a guy to build a 3D render of what a product could

00:43:10   look like.

00:43:12   And I also saw that there are people like casemakers at that – there was a big conference

00:43:17   in Berlin last week, the IFA something conference, and that there were casemakers who based on

00:43:23   like leaked images and rumors of the iPhone 5 had built mock iPhone 5s so that they could

00:43:31   show their cases for it.

00:43:33   well there's there's even a there's like a full Android knockoff iPhone 5 this is

00:43:42   so great I got to look that up oh it's because they're gonna sue Apple that's

00:43:47   what they've said yeah and they're prior art right it's it all right I gotta

00:43:54   Google this. See if this will get it for me. I Googled for Chinese Android iPhone 5 suing

00:44:07   Apple. Here we go. That should get it. At Yahoo.com. Chinese company used leaked iPhone

00:44:13   specs to build knockoff hopes to sue Apple for patent infringement. Well, you got to

00:44:20   get in on that right? And well, they have a good argument. Their argument is that they

00:44:27   are shipping first. And so regardless that they based the admittedly based the entire

00:44:32   thing on leaked hearts from the iPhone five, that they're shipping the product first and

00:44:39   so they're going to sue Apple. It's called the goo phone I five. And it runs a custom

00:44:48   version of the Android operating system that mimics the look of Apple's iOS?

00:44:51   >> The Goofone i5? >> Yeah.

00:44:55   >> Is that what you said? It gets sued by Intel. >> I don't know. I'm not so sure that they're

00:45:02   that concerned about intellectual property. >> It's the circle of life. Apparently not.

00:45:06   >> Do you think, I mean, are they just that out of touch or do they know that by claiming to

00:45:13   sue Apple that it's like a public they know that that's just going to get even more publicity.

00:45:18   I have to think that they that's the latter right yeah they kind of know that they're they're just

00:45:24   getting publicity yeah but hats off to them that's off to them for having brass balls.

00:45:29   I wonder how that works out at the end though I mean that just doesn't seem like that pays off but

00:45:37   right you would just you would just get completely screwed at the end of the day having done that

00:45:43   Right. And it is, it's a slightly, well, not even slightly. It's actually a very different thing than

00:45:52   what Samsung did and arguably still does. Yeah.

00:45:56   Where what they've done is it's truly a knockoff. I mean, it is.

00:46:00   Yes. It really looks identical.

00:46:00   It's identical.

00:46:01   It's the only thing that's short is they don't actually put an Apple logo on the back.

00:46:06   Yeah. At that point, you might as well.

00:46:10   Right, you might as well because that's what like the handbag fakes do. And like when you buy a fake

00:46:15   Rolex, you know, for 20 bucks on the street corner, it says Rolex it, you know, it doesn't say like

00:46:21   relax or something like that. It says Rolex. I mean, it's, you know, it's like a complete fake.

00:46:26   I'm not quite sure why they don't why they don't do the go the whole way. I guess because they're

00:46:33   an actual company with a brand that could be sued, whereas knockoff handbags and watches

00:46:40   are all sort of underground. You know that there is no...

00:46:43   Yeah. There's no... Nobody knows actually who made that because they're being sold by...

00:46:48   Right.

00:46:48   Yeah.

00:46:49   It's completely on the black market or the gray market or whatever you want to call it.

00:46:54   Yeah.

00:46:54   Yeah. This is great. This is probably my favorite story of the week. It really is.

00:47:00   Can you buy I mean, can you buy I should buy one I

00:47:03   Wonder you get many. Can you get one?

00:47:06   Probably not Hong Kong based or online design their cheapo Android phone after the alleged Apple iPhone five parts leaked

00:47:15   Yeah, I think it's only available in Hong Kong, but maybe do we have listeners in Hong Kong?

00:47:19   So if I if anybody out there is listening to the show and you live in Hong Kong and you can buy one of these

00:47:25   get in touch with me email me go to during fireball and hit the contact form and

00:47:30   Let's figure out what the price is and if it's reasonable, maybe I'll try to get

00:47:36   one of these.

00:47:37   Yeah.

00:47:38   I'd love to see your review.

00:47:42   I should.

00:47:43   I should get it and review the hell out of it.

00:47:46   I'm worried though that I'd get lost that after the home screen that the whole thing

00:47:49   would be in Chinese.

00:47:50   Oh, yeah.

00:47:51   I'll tell you this.

00:47:53   Here's one thing.

00:47:55   I've gotten a lot of questions about this and I thought maybe the talk show would be

00:47:59   a good place to write about it is that I've already seen on Twitter people wondering whether

00:48:04   I have already gotten an iPhone 5 for reviewing. And others, you know, that, you know, I can't

00:48:11   speak for for anybody else. I don't know, it's all, you know, a little secret. And,

00:48:15   you know, who knows whether, but my understanding, and at least in my personal experience in

00:48:21   the two years since since Apple has started giving me products to review ahead of their

00:48:26   release. In my experience, they never ever even tell you that the thing exists until

00:48:34   the event. The event is when they-- that's the first time I am completely sure that the

00:48:40   thing even exists. And then after the event, they schedule a time where you come in and

00:48:48   then--

00:48:49   device yeah but not only so not only have I never gotten a product before it

00:48:55   was announced at an event I've never even heard about it beforehand didn't you

00:49:05   didn't get clued into mountain lion yeah mountain lions were because it wasn't a

00:49:10   hardware product yeah so they did they said would you like to have this

00:49:14   briefing you know we're gonna be in New York for a couple of days talking to the

00:49:18   press. If you'd like, you know, you can schedule a time and, and come up. And when they did, they,

00:49:24   you know, they, they gave me the mountain lion release on a loner MacBook Air. And that was

00:49:32   before they announced it that the idea, you know, but that's because they didn't have an event,

00:49:36   right? That that briefing was the substitution of holding an event. And I, if they had had an

00:49:45   event, I'm sure they would not have given it to me before the event. But and that's the thing is

00:49:52   that on this week's show today, September 6, I can say no, I do not have an iPhone five. I do not

00:50:00   even know I do not know with any certainty that there is such a thing as an iPhone five. I don't

00:50:04   know. For someone, if someone could overnight you one from Hong Kong, though, right? Definitely.

00:50:10   then you'd have one before whereas by next week's show uh which i intend to record after the event

00:50:17   you'll have uh there is a chance i i it would be nice i would i would be flattered it would be

00:50:23   great if there is a chance that i will have one uh but if i do i'll have signed an nda

00:50:30   you can't tell where they handed it to me where i won't be able to say

00:50:38   But I could say right now that I don't.

00:50:40   But once you have the NDA, you can't even lie.

00:50:42   I'm not going to lie.

00:50:43   I can't say I don't have it.

00:50:44   But I also can't say that I do have it.

00:50:46   You just can't talk about it.

00:50:47   Right.

00:50:48   That's how it works.

00:50:52   And I don't believe that they seed anybody.

00:50:54   I don't think that even Mossberg or Pogue or anybody gets them in advance.

00:50:57   I think everybody gets the same nine days.

00:51:02   So no phone from Amazon.

00:51:05   No, no phone.

00:51:05   I'm not surprised by that.

00:51:06   Event is over.

00:51:08   Right. And no phone. Yeah, I'm not surprised. I'm convinced. I am, you know, I don't have any,

00:51:13   you know, inside knowledge. But, well, I've heard things, I have heard some things that they're

00:51:18   working on a phone. But, you know, my sources at Amazon are nowhere near as good as like an Apple,

00:51:24   but just strategically, I'm, you know, it just seems like a no brainer. With the route they're

00:51:29   going, there's seems like a no brainer to tell to eventually do that. But I just think that it's

00:51:36   It's probably one of those things where they're not far enough along yet.

00:51:39   Yeah.

00:51:40   Which is this is and this is where Microsoft would completely announce the phone.

00:51:46   Yes, exactly.

00:51:47   And it would they would even say that, look, we're hoping to ship in mid 20 sometime next

00:51:52   year.

00:51:53   Yeah.

00:51:54   Big event.

00:51:55   Did you so you didn't watch you didn't watch the Motorola event yesterday?

00:52:03   I did not know.

00:52:04   Was it painful?

00:52:05   I was thinking about it.

00:52:06   It was a little-- well, the first--

00:52:09   and I guess some of this was just--

00:52:12   I don't even know who the band was, but there was some band

00:52:14   that they had.

00:52:15   And the video that they had online,

00:52:18   I mean, the first at least 15 minutes, if not 20 minutes,

00:52:22   was this band playing.

00:52:23   It was an hour-long video, and the first 20 minutes of it

00:52:27   was this band playing.

00:52:28   I just thought it was weird.

00:52:31   I mean, I know Apple has had bands come and play,

00:52:34   but mostly at iTunes events or iPod events,

00:52:37   where it's actually a music-related event.

00:52:41   And certainly in Mac world, where it's a consumer event,

00:52:45   where entertaining the people makes more sense.

00:52:50   It just seems odd when it's a press event,

00:52:53   because this thing was not open.

00:52:55   You couldn't just show up to go to this thing.

00:52:58   So anyway, so they play this thing.

00:53:00   The timing is wrong on that, right?

00:53:01   Strategically.

00:53:02   the way Apple does it is the right way you do it. You come out, you say hello, you start satiating

00:53:09   the curiosity of the people who are there. You start giving them what they want to know.

00:53:15   Here's what we have to say. Here's a little preamble. Here's a new product. Here's what it

00:53:20   does. Here's what it looks like. And then at the end, you're like, "Hey, thanks for coming. And

00:53:24   guess what? We have a band. We have John Mayer's here. Play a song." The music comes at the end.

00:53:31   Yeah. And then Eric Schmidt gets up and talks about, I don't know, talks about whatever Eric Schmidt talks about.

00:53:37   And he introduces the guy who is the new head of Motorola Mobility. What's that guy's name? I just wrote about it.

00:53:48   Ah, what's the difference?

00:53:49   Anyway, Dennis Woodside, who I noted yesterday, came from McKinsey, which is this big consulting, management consulting company.

00:54:00   company. Well, who else would be better to design a phone? With a long history. Yeah, and also

00:54:07   oversaw the acquisition of Motorola. And suddenly to me, that made more sense why they spent

00:54:15   $12.5 billion to acquire Motorola Mobility. And then they showed an ad toward the end.

00:54:23   And the ad I thought was just terrible because it didn't show the product at all until the last

00:54:28   second. It was one of those ads that shows things flying by, and they would say "thin" and it would

00:54:34   show a bunch of thin things. And then it would show... I can't even remember what the other

00:54:38   sort of characteristics of the phone that they were talking about, but they would show things

00:54:43   that related to the characteristics of the phone, but not actually show the phone until the end.

00:54:47   And maybe it's partly because those phones aren't all that great looking. Whereas Amazon

00:54:52   did an ad last night during the NFL game that showed

00:54:57   their products all over the place.

00:54:59   Who won that game, by the way?

00:55:01   I couldn't really say.

00:55:03   And I could say, because I know, but I'm not going to say.

00:55:07   And the ad shows-- it even shows boxes arriving in mailboxes

00:55:14   and shows all the candles and showed the new devices.

00:55:18   Sounds like a great ad.

00:55:20   Which I thought was interesting.

00:55:21   Right. And not something that Apple would do, but pretty good. And much more inspiring to go out and

00:55:30   actually buy the product than the one that Motorola showed. I just looked it up on ESPN.

00:55:37   Ends up that the Dallas Cowboys won that football game and now have the best record in the entire

00:55:42   NFL. Wow. They're going all the way. I think it's without question. Also top-rated quarterback in

00:55:52   the NFL Tony Romo. Wow. Huh. That's exciting. Yeah. New York Giants last place. Out of 28 teams in NFL

00:56:07   no team has a worse record than the New York Giants. I think Yankees been doing over the last

00:56:11   ten games

00:56:16   and or should we go back to politics john people get very upset when we talk

00:56:19   about sports should go back to politics because i get very happy to see them

00:56:23   they tune in for the pollock political talk not the sports talk

00:56:27   they get very upset when we talk about sports or we could talk about our

00:56:29   children

00:56:30   exactly

00:56:34   uh...

00:56:35   i you know what these events they do they make me uncomfortable to watch

00:56:38   Because I am spoiled.

00:56:40   I'm totally spoiled by Apple, which

00:56:41   puts on these events that are as polished and thoughtful

00:56:46   as their products.

00:56:48   And it's just event after event.

00:56:50   I can't recall in recent-- I can't recall Apple ever putting

00:56:53   together an event that seemed anything less than polished

00:57:00   and presents the product in a great light.

00:57:04   And I think, isn't it true that these events where the – these stage yourself events

00:57:14   are a relatively new phenomenon for most of these companies?

00:57:17   Because the way things used to be done was they would go to Comdex or something.

00:57:23   Yeah.

00:57:24   And announce these products.

00:57:25   It would be tied to these – call them, I don't know, conventions or –

00:57:29   Yeah.

00:57:30   And mostly, Apple was the one who started-- maybe somebody else did it before, but Apple

00:57:36   started hosting their own events and then everybody said, "Oh, we need to host our own

00:57:39   events."

00:57:40   Right.

00:57:41   And there was a thing yesterday's-- the other thing about yesterday's dual announcements

00:57:45   from Motorola and Nokia was that they were in the same city.

00:57:49   They were both in New York City and that-- I think the Nokia one-- I forget which one

00:57:54   went first.

00:57:56   But I think it was Motorola--

00:57:57   Nokia.

00:57:58   Motorola go first?

00:57:59   I don't know, but they were offering shuttle buses.

00:58:02   They each offered to take people from one to another.

00:58:06   The Nokia paid for a bus that said, "I love Nokia" in huge letters to shuttle the people

00:58:12   to it.

00:58:13   To show up at the Motorola thing.

00:58:14   Right.

00:58:15   I don't know.

00:58:18   It just all seems – I can't even imagine Apple doing that.

00:58:21   No.

00:58:22   If Apple held an event and somebody else happened to be holding – had the stones to hold one

00:58:26   in the same city on the same day, Apple just wouldn't give two craps about anybody who

00:58:33   wanted to attend both.

00:58:34   But if the timing made it difficult or whatever, that's your dumb luck for wanting to cover

00:58:41   both.

00:58:42   Because they know which one you're going to cover.

00:58:44   Right.

00:58:45   I can't imagine anybody being dumb enough to do that.

00:58:51   to say, oh, Apple's holding an event at 10 o'clock on Tuesday.

00:58:55   We'll hold one at noon.

00:58:59   Right.

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01:00:54   And as much as I love and think it's genius,

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01:01:05   and you're already using the keyboard,

01:01:07   having those arrow keys is great.

01:01:09   To me, it's a feature that Apple should-- I

01:01:11   I think Apple should really think about adding to iOS.

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01:01:19   And it looks like there's a host of output options, too.

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01:01:30   You can post to Facebook.

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01:01:33   Exactly.

01:01:34   So you could use it as the sort of place

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01:01:37   If you have draft tweets, you can use it for that.

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01:01:46   It hooks to Evernote, has support for printing.

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01:02:02   You can send them to apps.

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01:02:07   OmniFocus, Things, Agenda, and Tweetbot.

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01:02:37   I'm pulling a Leo report. I'm downloading it right now.

01:02:41   I really recommend it. Oh, I know what I wanted to add to say. I wanted to say this this week

01:02:47   because it's one of those things that I won't be able to say next week. And the rumor, you

01:02:53   know, it's such a rumor that it seems like it's got to be true. The rumor is that the

01:02:57   screen on the new iPhone is going to be the same width, but it's going to be taller. And

01:03:01   it's going to be taller by the, you know, what are they going to do with the home screen?

01:03:05   are going to add an extra row of icons on the home screen.

01:03:09   And I've been thinking about that,

01:03:10   and it's actually made me a little nervous.

01:03:12   Because I've gotten my home screen--

01:03:13   my first two home screens, which are really the only two

01:03:16   I keep organized-- I know where all the icons are.

01:03:19   And I've kind of settled in.

01:03:20   I've kind of gotten into old man mode,

01:03:22   where it's very rare that I change an app in there.

01:03:26   And I don't know what I'm going to do

01:03:27   with that extra row of icons.

01:03:29   If you were Henry Blodgett, you could base an entire piece

01:03:31   on this.

01:03:33   It would obviously mean that Apple really angry. Yeah

01:03:36   Tyrate about how apples ruining her do you do you do you meticulously organize your your icons?

01:03:43   Mmm, I would not say meticulously home screen yet. Maybe like the first beyond that. Yeah, that's the first page. Yes, but

01:03:50   Anything beyond that is is kind of a it's a little bit more of a mess

01:03:55   Was it you somebody had a line the other day about Henry Blodgett where he was

01:04:02   it was a good crack about Henry Blodgett. Have you written about him?

01:04:07   It's easy. No. No. It's easy to make. It is. He argued that the iPhone 5 is doomed or something?

01:04:20   I think he said that the iPhone 5 is already annoying him.

01:04:24   Oh. I thought that was the other guy. The guy in the market watch.

01:04:28   Something like that.

01:04:28   But maybe Blodgett too?

01:04:30   I think yeah, it seems like there are at least a couple of them. It's a common that is a common refrain in

01:04:36   The run-up to an Apple product announcement that before it's even announced that you're tired of the hype

01:04:42   That they're tired of it and they yeah

01:04:44   And they always direct these complaint about the hype at Apple that it's a pretty that does this right?

01:04:50   But what what what could Apple do differently to to not have this hype? They don't say anything right said nothing

01:04:58   I can't I really truly believe that they haven't purposefully

01:05:02   Leaked anything all of these parts if it turns out that these parts that have leaked are legit and that this you know that we kind

01:05:09   Of already have an idea what this new iPhone looks like I?

01:05:12   Can't help but think that Apple is upset about that

01:05:15   It'd be funny if that if that company that's selling the Android one is it actually an Apple shell company

01:05:22   Oh my god, the Goop phone.

01:05:27   And it's all just a gag.

01:05:28   And to build up hype for the iPhone 5,

01:05:30   we're going to have this company sell a complete knockoff of it.

01:05:34   Right.

01:05:35   It's like a couple of times a month at like 5 o'clock,

01:05:39   they're blowing off steam.

01:05:40   And there's Schiller and Johnny Ive and Woz-- not Woz, Jaws.

01:05:48   Just the three of them sitting around having a beer or something and then set up in Hong

01:05:54   Kong's shell company to sell to Goofung.

01:05:58   What's the silliest name they could come up with?

01:06:00   Yeah, right.

01:06:01   What's the worst possible name you can think of?

01:06:03   Right.

01:06:04   And Goofung, it's sort of a knock at Google.

01:06:07   Could be if it ended up it was a shell company.

01:06:09   God, that would be great.

01:06:10   That would be so great.

01:06:13   Yeah.

01:06:14   So, do you want to talk about the FBI thing? Oh, let's do that. Yeah. And then I think

01:06:27   we call it a show. Yeah. Yeah, the FBI thing is really weird. And you said your idea. I

01:06:33   didn't look mine up, but I did and I did not find any of mine. Yeah, it's it. But I'm not

01:06:40   100% sure. Here's what I downloaded the file. It's like

01:06:44   90 gigabytes. And they give you these instructions where you can

01:06:46   verify it. And you know, the empty five hash that you know,

01:06:49   it's legit. And you un decrypt it. And then you have a big text

01:06:54   file. It's like 130 megabytes or something like that. So I open

01:07:00   it up and BB edit with handles a big file like that, no problem.

01:07:02   And I start searching for my uu IDs from my devices I have in

01:07:07   active use. A couple of my iPhones and a couple of my iPads that have the UUIDs or UDIDs. I

01:07:14   keep calling them UDIDs. UDIDs. Device IDs. And none of mine were a hit.

01:07:20   IUDs.

01:07:21   Right. But I even got a couple of people on Twitter pointed out that there were two devices

01:07:28   in there named John Gruber's iPad. And I looked and there were two devices with that name

01:07:36   And-- but I looked and the UUIDs did not match any of the ones

01:07:41   that I have stored.

01:07:42   Now, it's possible though, because I

01:07:43   have had an absurd number of iPads

01:07:47   come through here where like review units from Apple,

01:07:52   because I've had new ones.

01:07:53   Like when a new one comes out, I had like a new iPad 2

01:07:58   and a new iPad 3 that I didn't keep.

01:08:00   You know, I get them, I use them for a couple of weeks,

01:08:03   and then I box them back up and ship them to Apple. And I buy my own, if I'm going to buy one

01:08:09   to actually own. But they've also given me ones like at that books event last year, the textbook

01:08:20   event in New York City. They just give them out like candy when they review stuff. Or with

01:08:26   Mountain Lion, they gave me one because they wanted to give me one that had iTunes document in the

01:08:33   cloud that's syncing that worked or whatever. They just set them up to be

01:08:38   able to review these features they want you to be able to do and they just they

01:08:42   just set everything up so that they're all ready to go and they just give them

01:08:45   to you you know and you don't keep them they you know you sign a thing that says

01:08:48   I you know I've taken this from you and it's possible it is possible that maybe

01:08:53   I had one of those that I plugged in and I just got lazy because I knew I wasn't

01:08:57   gonna keep it and just took that default name because I don't name them like that

01:09:00   I don't name them John Gruber's iPad.

01:09:03   I have other-- I name my devices different ways,

01:09:07   but I don't use that name.

01:09:09   But maybe I did.

01:09:09   Maybe I got lazy.

01:09:10   So maybe there were two of mine in there.

01:09:14   I don't know.

01:09:15   I like the idea that other people were naming them that.

01:09:17   But anyway, there's still no answer

01:09:19   of how this file came to exist.

01:09:23   And I guess that the intrigue is-- the initial reaction

01:09:26   I think a lot of people had was the suspicion that Apple

01:09:29   had been sharing this information with the FBI for some reason. Apple has since denied

01:09:36   that.

01:09:37   And the FBI has denied it.

01:09:39   All right. Oh, and the other thing to point out to keep in mind is that the this anti

01:09:43   sec anti social what the hell's their name anti sec is their name, I think that the hacker

01:09:49   group that released this claims that the original file that they took from the guy's laptop

01:09:55   12 million entries and that they've only the public release was only a random 1 million

01:10:02   slice of it. So the only 10% of the numbers they claim were there were actually in this

01:10:09   public one. So just because you know, your UD ID isn't in there doesn't in there. It

01:10:13   wasn't in the full file that hasn't been released publicly. Yeah. And what the FBI issued a

01:10:20   statement but the state you know, and it's pretty rare for them to even address something

01:10:24   like this but it does have some wiggle room in there well the statement does but then apparently

01:10:29   they denied it they denied it much more forcefully on twitter which i think is also funny that the

01:10:34   fbi has a twitter account like see did you imagine like twitter was available like 40 years ago when

01:10:43   jaeger jaeger was alive you know what though that you say that but did you must not have seen clint

01:10:51   Eastwood's Hoover movie because there's like a faux pas in there. One of those things like,

01:10:57   oh, you know, like sometimes like I'm a font nerd. So sometimes there'll be like a movie that takes

01:11:03   place in 1953. And there's something in Helvetica. Well, Helvetica didn't come out till 1957. So it's,

01:11:09   you know, that's a faux pas. There was a scene in Eastwood's Hoover movie where Hoover was sexting.

01:11:16   Really?

01:11:18   Yeah, he was sexting on it on a little, uh, on like an iPhone. And then somebody pointed out to Eastwood

01:11:23   after it came out that the iPhone, you know, cell phones weren't gonna exist for another 60 years.

01:11:28   And he told them, "You're making that up. I have not seen the movie, but you must be making that up."

01:11:33   At any rate, the FBI, uh, their, their, their Twitter post was, was unequivocal.

01:11:40   Uh-huh.

01:11:41   And Marco has a link to something this morning about this guy, I'm sure I'm going to mispronounce

01:11:54   his name, Bojan Gajic of Flux ads, thinks that maybe it came from an app or a series

01:12:02   of apps from this company called Spank Apps.

01:12:09   That's just for real?

01:12:12   Yeah, yeah.

01:12:14   There was an app called Glitter Draw Free that this guy had installed that's sending

01:12:23   the associated push notifications token to a third party service.

01:12:27   Anyway, I don't understand it all.

01:12:29   But possibly, I mean, so people are coming up with, you know, trying to come up with

01:12:33   other ways that this might have happened.

01:12:35   And one of the theories is that it's a third party app.

01:12:38   Yeah.

01:12:39   be surprised if that's the source. Is it a third party app or an ad network maybe that

01:12:45   a bunch of apps use? Something like that? And it does seem like the more I looked into

01:12:51   it that it's whatever the source, it's not that egregious a leak. It's likely that a

01:12:58   bunch of ad networks all have your device IDs and your device names just because it

01:13:03   was, you know, that's how it was easy up until iOS 6. Apple's actually making that something

01:13:08   that apps can't do in iOS 6 is get these device IDs.

01:13:12   They're going to have another way of getting unique identifiers that

01:13:15   won't be the same across different apps.

01:13:19   So you'll have more privacy.

01:13:21   It's not a terrible privacy variation, but it's definitely something.

01:13:24   And Marco also is the source that linked to the write-up

01:13:29   I linked to yesterday about the way that you could use

01:13:36   a simple URL API from Open Faint, who is like a-- it's tied to a bunch of games, and you

01:13:46   could put a UDID in there, and it'll tell you everything they know about that UDID.

01:13:50   And for some people, it was coming up with things like their Facebook profile and pictures,

01:13:54   you know, like their avatar.

01:13:57   And when the guy first reported it, there was-- you know, it was actually even worse.

01:14:01   It even had like GPS data.

01:14:03   And after he reported it-- this is like two years ago,

01:14:05   or a year and a half ago-- they took out the location data

01:14:08   from that API code.

01:14:10   But there could be some other service out there

01:14:14   that has the same type of thing, and maybe

01:14:16   has the same sort of privacy problems.

01:14:19   Because once you know somebody's name and their location,

01:14:24   I mean, that's a lot.

01:14:27   That's a good way to get started on--

01:14:30   Having some fun.

01:14:31   Yeah.

01:14:31   [LAUGHTER]

01:14:35   You said that a little too eagerly, John.

01:14:39   Not that I would ever-- it's a good thing

01:14:43   I don't know how to do any of this stuff.

01:14:45   So you didn't even look.

01:14:46   You didn't even look at me.

01:14:47   I didn't look.

01:14:49   I don't know.

01:14:50   What am I going to do if it's in there?

01:14:53   Not much.

01:14:55   But there really is nothing-- I mean,

01:14:57   there's no-- you can't change your UDID.

01:14:59   It still is a weird story though.

01:15:03   Did you also see – and just to circle back, this might be a good way to end the show,

01:15:07   circle back on politics.

01:15:08   Have you seen this story about the hacker that claims to have stolen Mitt Romney's

01:15:14   tax returns?

01:15:15   Yeah, I did.

01:15:16   This is actually a really intriguing story.

01:15:18   So the story is that an anonymous hacker has posted these things on like Paste Bin and

01:15:28   claims and it's been verified that he walked into a Price Waterhouse Cooper's office in

01:15:35   like Tennessee and a guy on that said that a guy on the third floor let him in and that

01:15:42   he put he walked out with on a USB stick. I don't think he says how many but several

01:15:50   years of Mitt Romney's personal income tax returns before 2010, which he hasn't released

01:15:56   which has been very controversial in this election because presidential candidates typically

01:16:00   release many years or several years of their taxes. And there's a lot of speculation that

01:16:06   the reason he hasn't is that there's some stuff in there that's politically unsavory. In other words,

01:16:14   that he's probably paid a certainly low tax rate. And he also has a whole collection of people's

01:16:19   U.D.I.D.s. Exactly. But anyway, this hacker then encrypted the data and put the encrypted

01:16:31   version on a USB stick and mailed it to both the Democrats and the Republicans in an envelope

01:16:37   and with a letter that's exactly, you know, saying what he'd done and saying that he wants

01:16:44   Romney or the Romney campaign to give him a million dollars in bitcoins, which presumably

01:16:50   would be untraceable.

01:16:52   I think that's the way bitcoin works.

01:16:54   I'm pretty sure.

01:16:55   I mean, it's, you know, it'd be pretty stupid if it weren't that, you know, that bitcoin

01:16:59   works like cash, where once you transfer it, it's, you know, it's, there is no, it's not

01:17:05   like credit transactions.

01:17:07   There's no banking history.

01:17:08   Yeah.

01:17:09   He wants a million dollars in bitcoins before September 28th, or else he's going to release

01:17:14   it publicly. And if anybody else wants it, like in the press or whatever, the first one to give

01:17:19   them the billion dollars in bitcoins either gets the key or they'll destroy the key.

01:17:25   And, you know, it seems like it seems so outlandish. I mean, why in the world would

01:17:35   his tax returns be in Tennessee? But it does seem like, you know, the Secret Service is looking into

01:17:41   it and it seems like there might be some smoke to the fire. Yeah. It's interesting. You don't,

01:17:51   I mean, at this point, it's hard to tell, but. Well, I guess here's what I, what. It's either

01:17:57   a really outrageous scam. Right. Or a great espionage story. Right. And Price Waterhouse

01:18:04   Cooper's issued a denial, not really a denial, but just as far as we know, this hasn't happened.

01:18:09   But they haven't said anything. Here's what I wonder. All right. Are his tax returns in that

01:18:20   office in Tennessee? Right? If they're not, well, then they could say it's not even possible. We

01:18:28   have no tax returns for Mitt Romney in that office. And then the whole story goes away.

01:18:35   They haven't said that. But would they say that? You know what I mean? Like, it's one of those

01:18:40   things like, you know, not negotiating with terrorists, where maybe, you know,

01:18:45   even if it's not there, you don't say that. Because then if it were there,

01:18:50   you're not saying that would be a giveaway, that it was there. Did that make sense?

01:18:58   Yes, sort of. At this time, there is no...

01:19:03   yeah, this is their and it actually is sounds exactly like what the FBI had said about the

01:19:08   U.D. I.D. is in their official statement that at this time there is no evidence that our systems

01:19:14   have been compromised, which is not really a denial. No, I mean, and maybe they don't know.

01:19:22   Right. And I also would not be surprised if it's their policy to not really can truly confirm or

01:19:29   deny that it was even possible. They don't want to have people playing bingo trying to guess

01:19:36   where his tax returns really are. But I don't know. It just seems like the statement and the

01:19:41   way that the Secret Service is looking into this that there might be something to it.

01:19:47   ISKRA If PWC has a system, if they do people's tax returns and they have a system where they store

01:19:55   all this stuff. You could theoretically access it from any office.

01:19:59   It could be in the cloud, you're saying?

01:20:02   Yeah. I mean, it would be. It would be in their, at least on their, well, probably not

01:20:06   on the cloud, but in their WAN.

01:20:08   Right. Yeah. I guess that does make sense. I guess that if he had anybody, any Price

01:20:14   Waterhouse Coopers do it, that maybe they do have a system like that, that it wouldn't

01:20:18   just be local. I guess that does make a lot of sense, that it doesn't really matter that

01:20:24   You know if you're if you're in the Tennessee office working on some rich guys tax taxes you have access to the same

01:20:30   System not necessarily the same you wouldn't necessarily have access to the same

01:20:37   Right. I'm thinking too much about

01:20:39   My taxes is with my accountant where we're just you know

01:20:44   I just come in with a shoe box a shoe box full of receipts

01:20:47   exactly and and you know

01:20:53   It's like two slips of paper and like 110.99 from Macworld for a column I wrote.

01:21:01   I just throw it at him and say, "Here," and then half an hour later –

01:21:05   Tim Cynova You talk sports for 15 minutes and then he

01:21:08   does it all.

01:21:09   Andy Weisz Right.

01:21:10   Then it's all gone.

01:21:11   But I'm pretty sure Mitt Romney doesn't go to –

01:21:14   Tim Cynova I would guess that it's different for him.

01:21:16   Andy Weisz Wouldn't it be great if his tax return – if

01:21:18   If the guy – if it's totally legit and they don't pay up and the guy releases it

01:21:22   publicly and his tax returns are just absolutely like – there's nothing to it.

01:21:28   There's absolutely nothing interesting in them whatsoever.

01:21:34   Just nothing in them.

01:21:37   Just exactly like this 2010 one.

01:21:41   Why the fuss then?

01:21:45   At this point, everybody assumes that there's something preposterous in there.

01:21:49   Right.

01:21:50   That just shows that I took all this money and sent it to the Cayman Islands.

01:21:57   I paid $37 in income tax on $20 million in capital gains.

01:22:05   So what's your last thing?

01:22:10   you a nervous flyer? Yes. Did you know you knew that? I did know that. Yeah. And that's

01:22:17   why I thought to call this out. This is this is an incident earlier today. This is gonna

01:22:22   is it gonna freak me out? I'm not flying. I'm not flying anytime in the near future.

01:22:28   So here's here's the story. A US Airways flight headed for Dallas in Philadelphia was diverted

01:22:34   back to Philadelphia this morning because of a false threat that identified a particular

01:22:39   passenger is carrying explosives. Now here's the statement from Chief Inspector Joe Sullivan,

01:22:46   commander of the Philadelphia Police Department's anti terrorism unit.

01:22:49   All indications are this was a hoax and a pretty nasty prank played on a passenger.

01:22:54   So the plane goes up. And they the guy called in and said that the guy had liquid explosives

01:23:03   and planned and they had the flight in apparently the they named the flight and said where it was

01:23:08   was going that he was on flight 1267 going to Dallas.

01:23:12   It was a 730 flight.

01:23:15   And they named the particular individual.

01:23:17   Said he smuggled an explosive on a flight to Texas.

01:23:21   And so they immediately told the plane to come back.

01:23:24   And they gave it the full treatment with the--

01:23:27   I guess parked it on a runway as far away from everything else

01:23:30   as they could, surrounded it, had law enforcement board

01:23:34   the plane, and take the guy out.

01:23:37   Outside the plane then had him get down on his knees and and had like the bomb sniffing dogs, you know, give him the once-over

01:23:44   apparently the fellow was very surprised and and

01:23:47   and upset

01:23:50   So what was like a friend of his or something

01:23:54   Maybe not anymore. Yeah, well

01:23:57   Does this not seem like the stupidest prank you've ever heard of?

01:24:02   Yes, because I believe us pretty close

01:24:06   He liked it. The guy who made this prank, did he really think that he was going to get away with it?

01:24:12   I cannot wait to hear the rest of this story. This is the story that I am so intrigued to find the

01:24:19   bottom line. Now here's the other thing. The plane did eventually depart for Dallas around like 11

01:24:25   o'clock or 11 30 or something like that. Now would you, if you were on that flight and this happened,

01:24:29   you're, and it wasn't you who was the victim of the prank. You're just, you know, 20 rows back

01:24:33   And all you know is that the plane goes back to Philly and and then they explained this. Would you would you then take the flight to Dallas?

01:24:40   I probably apparently have many custom many of the passengers refused to get back on and refused to get back on the plane. Yeah

01:24:46   Well, I guess I mean, I guess you if you think that maybe there's somebody who had

01:24:52   Like is this bag still on the plane?

01:24:55   Right if you're getting on exactly the same plane

01:25:00   That would be that would be questionable right like, you know, or maybe he had a confederate or something like that like yeah

01:25:06   Yeah that whatever the odds are that the that any given flight you're going to be on is gonna have a

01:25:13   Terrorist explosion. Let's call it one in a million which is probably way too high

01:25:20   Let's say you're a nervous flier though, and you think the odds are one in a million

01:25:24   The odds of your flight having something like this happen after this on the same plane that the guy that had somehow left the bag

01:25:30   Or you know hidden hidden something in the bathroom or something like that

01:25:34   You got to figure it's it's whatever the odds are. It's greater than the one in a million of an average other flight

01:25:42   Right, yeah, the whole point of having a phobia is that you don't you it's not rational

01:25:47   Yes, you're obsessed with let me tell you about the irrational about it. Yeah

01:25:53   I'm less afraid. I might just to show you how irrational my phobia is. I'm afraid of turbulence

01:25:59   That's mostly what I'm afraid of I'm less afraid of being bombed but uh

01:26:04   And cats I'm also afraid of cats my wife terrified of turbulence

01:26:10   Really?

01:26:12   I I can see someday my wife if there's turbulence that I could just see her getting up go heading and just pop and open

01:26:18   The door and just jumping out and just taking a chance

01:26:22   You know, you can't do that. No, but that does not that does not work. Yeah. Yeah turbulence is a

01:26:28   Is not good for for my life. No, I know which is in really statistically speaking again

01:26:37   Statistically what it was the way that happened

01:26:40   I mean, it's always almost always on if there's like it just like a regular accident. It's almost always on takeoff or landing

01:26:46   Yeah, yeah, we had a flight once we did have a flight

01:26:49   It was probably easily the worst flight that we ever took together.

01:26:51   We had a flight.

01:26:52   I forget where we were going.

01:26:53   It was San Francisco, but it was pretty long.

01:26:57   It was a long flight and it was so much turbulence that the seatbelt light never went off on

01:27:04   the flight.

01:27:05   Oh, God.

01:27:06   That is my nightmare.

01:27:07   Yeah.

01:27:08   So it was – and it was – I was like – I remember being lucky that – because I usually

01:27:13   have to pee because I drink so much coffee.

01:27:17   So not being able to pee, I remember I even had the thought, "You know what?

01:27:21   I don't care if the seatbelt lights off.

01:27:22   If I have to pee, I'm going.

01:27:26   I'll take them scolding me rather than peeing in my pants.

01:27:30   I'm not peeing in my pants."

01:27:31   But it ended up, I ended up – maybe it's like because I got lucky.

01:27:35   Maybe because I was thinking about it, I never really got to be that desperate in terms of

01:27:40   the peeing.

01:27:41   But it was a very long – that's a lot of turbulence.

01:27:45   And it was pretty bad for her.

01:27:49   Because it never really wears off either.

01:27:51   That's the other thing.

01:27:52   And I feel terrible for her.

01:27:53   Because it's not like, well, an hour in of the turbulent flight,

01:27:55   now she's settled in.

01:27:57   She was pretty much white-knuckled the whole time.

01:28:00   Oh, and I believe she had the thought when we got off

01:28:03   that we were going to drive home.

01:28:04   [LAUGHTER]

01:28:07   I would-- yeah.

01:28:10   I just can't wait.

01:28:11   I'm so hoping that this guy was just like his buddy,

01:28:14   and that he's just some knucklehead.

01:28:17   Yeah.

01:28:18   Who thought that you could be calling a threat like that,

01:28:21   and everybody would just have a good laugh.

01:28:23   You're going to do some jail time.

01:28:27   Oh, I think you're going to do some serious jail time.

01:28:32   There is no--

01:28:33   It's going to get real uncomfortable real fast.

01:28:35   There is so-- I don't know that there is anywhere

01:28:39   in Western civilization where there

01:28:40   is less of a sense of humor than airline security.

01:28:46   And you know there are knuckleheads who just

01:28:48   think that that's funny and that they can do that.

01:28:50   Right.

01:28:50   You should have seen the look on your face.

01:28:59   TSA, they specialize.

01:29:00   That's really the only thing they look for when they hire

01:29:04   is a sense of humor.

01:29:07   You get that feeling.