The Talk Show

11: We’re Going to Get You Some Jeans Today, Jimmy, with John Moltz


00:00:00   Speaking of streaks though, I gotta run this by you.

00:00:03   Streaks, nine game hitting streak for Ichiro Suzuki.

00:00:09   Now he used to play for a different team.

00:00:12   Just stop.

00:00:13   Just stop already.

00:00:14   It's already as much as I can take.

00:00:18   I have a question for you though, I really do.

00:00:21   Is Hank into baseball at all?

00:00:23   No, you know, we used to go, because we have a minor league team right here in Tacoma,

00:00:28   It's the Rainiers, which is the Mariners' farm team.

00:00:32   And we used to go to those games frequently when he was little.

00:00:36   And we'd get seats up in the top of the row, and he would just run around and occasionally

00:00:42   watch the baseball game.

00:00:43   But then they do fun stuff like you get to run with the mascot.

00:00:46   Oh, that's nice.

00:00:47   So you go out on the field, and you run around with the mascot.

00:00:51   And we used to go to those.

00:00:53   But we took him to one Mariners game when he got a little bit older, and it was just

00:00:57   it was we wanted to stay through the whole thing and it was too long you know they were

00:01:00   supposed to do that thing where you'd only take them for the number of innings that they

00:01:05   are old in years and we didn't do that so anyway he he didn't have a great time at that

00:01:11   and then you know I figured what's the point of paying?

00:01:16   So it's not a huge disappointment to him that that Ichi wrote as has gone to the Yankees.

00:01:22   No and he and as a matter of fact you'll love this he's a contrarian so so anytime we

00:01:27   we bring up the Mariners, he now says that he wants the Mariners to lose.

00:01:33   And he has divined that the family enemy is the Yankees, and so he now says that he wants

00:01:40   the Yankees to win.

00:01:41   Oh, I like that kid.

00:01:42   Yeah, I know.

00:01:43   I knew you'd like that.

00:01:47   And then I've been badly mismanaged because originally I said that I loudly proclaimed

00:01:54   that he would be out on the street if he became a Yankee fan.

00:01:57   And of course, he immediately became a Yankee fan.

00:02:01   And he's not watched any – he doesn't watch any of it.

00:02:03   So it's just to try and raise our ire, which he is very good at.

00:02:08   Anyway, I'm happy for E chero.

00:02:11   Yeah.

00:02:12   Because, I mean, I want him to – I mean, he got stuck with a bad deal.

00:02:17   Yeah.

00:02:18   And the Mariners, it's a weird team.

00:02:20   always seem to be up and coming but but never never getting yeah we had a good

00:02:27   run we had a good run for a while and then and now you guys are stuck in in

00:02:30   what's it used to be the AL East it was the toughest division now it looks like

00:02:34   the AL West is the toughest division you got three teams fighting for playoffs

00:02:38   yeah yeah but not the fourth team not the fourth team not the one that I

00:02:43   happen to follow how's the very nice website going good yeah I'm having fun

00:02:49   Which is really what it's all about.

00:02:52   That's all you're in it for, right?

00:02:55   That's it. I'm just in it for the fun.

00:02:58   Right. Do you want to talk about Skyfall?

00:03:01   A little bit. I could talk a little bit about that.

00:03:04   I watched the new trailer.

00:03:07   Yeah, I was married to the new trailer earlier in a very tasteful ceremony.

00:03:12   No, because I love it. It looks great.

00:03:16   I am super super excited about it because I don't know how you cannot be I feel like the whole reboot of the franchise has

00:03:23   been good so far and and ever since I found out about

00:03:26   The backstory behind quantum of solace, which was a letdown after but you know that you know why it was bad

00:03:33   Yeah, because it was writers, right?

00:03:35   but they it was it was like one of the movies that was like

00:03:38   absolutely at the worst point for the writers strike because

00:03:42   They had gotten to the point where production had to start like financially like they've you know paid all of this

00:03:49   cast and crew and they had locations and it was

00:03:52   Like you know like they've passed the point of no return on shooting

00:03:57   But they didn't really have the script done yet, and then there was a writer strike

00:04:01   And then they just sort of like made stuff up

00:04:03   Am I imagining it I I read something

00:04:06   About that and I can't remember who was the person who was talking about that problem

00:04:11   But it wasn't actually,

00:04:12   was Daniel Craig actually writing some of it?

00:04:14   - Yeah, they said that Daniel Craig and the director

00:04:16   just sort of wrote some stuff.

00:04:17   And given that, it's actually pretty good.

00:04:21   - Yeah, I mean, you know.

00:04:24   I mean, you think, okay, maybe just stop doing it.

00:04:27   But they can't stop doing it.

00:04:28   - No, no, it was like--

00:04:30   - They have obligations and they have, yeah.

00:04:32   - Well, and I think the lesson to be learned on that

00:04:34   is that you're, you know,

00:04:36   and I'm sure that if I got started making a movie,

00:04:39   Yeah, you know what, I'd probably put off finalizing this.

00:04:42   I'd procrastinate on the writing or whatever.

00:04:44   But it's like you really should have like the script down

00:04:46   before you get there.

00:04:49   - Oh yeah, but they never do.

00:04:50   - Right, I mean you don't wanna, you know,

00:04:51   nobody ever counts on a writer's strike, but I don't know.

00:04:55   There's something to be said about that.

00:04:57   But anyway, I'm super excited about it.

00:04:58   'Cause it's got a great, that's the other thing,

00:05:00   is it's the first James Bond movie I can remember

00:05:02   with like a name brand director at the helm,

00:05:05   at least in my lifetime.

00:05:08   our good friend Sam Mendez.

00:05:11   - Yeah. - Mendez, Mendez?

00:05:13   - That's a good question.

00:05:16   We're notorious for mispronouncing things.

00:05:19   - I am.

00:05:20   Oh, I've only just gotten started mispronouncing things

00:05:23   on this episode.

00:05:24   But of American beauty fame.

00:05:28   - Yeah.

00:05:29   - Yeah, I think it's gonna be a great movie.

00:05:32   - Did the same guy do the previous two?

00:05:36   - No.

00:05:37   No, I forget who directed the previous two.

00:05:40   I think Martin Campbell directed the one.

00:05:43   The guy who did GoldenEye.

00:05:47   - Oh, is that, oh, is that?

00:05:51   - Hold on, I mean, now I gotta look it up.

00:05:53   - Yeah, you gotta look it up.

00:05:55   - Let's see here.

00:05:57   - Mark Forster directed Quantum of Solace.

00:06:01   Solace, solace?

00:06:04   - Yeah, solace.

00:06:06   solace

00:06:08   And Martin Campbell yeah Martin Campbell yeah directed casino royale and Martin Campbell did golden eye which I think was probably one of the better

00:06:16   What's that guy's name Pierce Brosnan ones yeah, but kind of had a way I'm actually speaking of Hank

00:06:25   I'm actually trying to figure out. What's a good place to start him on bond?

00:06:29   Because he hasn't seen he we actually watched a little bit of casino royale

00:06:34   He I showed him some of the funner fight scenes, and he really liked that a lot

00:06:39   so and I'm thinking Pierce Brosnan or even

00:06:43   The guy before him

00:06:48   Timothy Dalton Timothy Dalton Timothy Dalton

00:06:51   right

00:06:53   Either there I was thinking either of their first movies

00:06:55   Joan is an ex look at a good place like art the I think the second Timothy Dalton one one which almost like oh really?

00:07:02   Almost put the franchise into the ground right and I think it's terrible

00:07:06   I've you know my comment

00:07:08   You know when I talked about it on the with

00:07:10   With with our old friend Dan Benjamin was it just looks like an it looked like an epic production quality wise look like an episode

00:07:16   Of the a-team right and which is not good

00:07:19   But Jonas really like Felix later was too old at that point

00:07:23   Yeah, but Jonas really liked it because it had it was kind of high on the the cockamamie action like yeah

00:07:29   You know the one thing that had going for it was you know you didn't have to wait too long before

00:07:33   bullets are flying around

00:07:36   And he hasn't seen them the recent ones is that right no, and I don't there's a little there's a little there's yeah

00:07:45   I don't even know I'm not even sure why not because I think they're pg-13 right there not all they are they are pg-13

00:07:51   But that torture scene oh yeah, yeah, that's pretty casino royales a little it's a little rough. Yeah, it's a little rough

00:07:58   Speaking of bad movies, how about the how about the these new Apple ads that have everybody very upset? Yeah, I

00:08:06   Mean so they like the one so they unveiled three new ads and I guess that the idea

00:08:14   You know the thing that ties them together is they're about a the genius the Apple genius and it's this kid

00:08:20   There's like they've got one guy who's like, you know, he's now like the the prototypical apples genius

00:08:26   I like the one. I think the one is okay. I think the one is bad. I think that the one

00:08:35   where the guy buys the –

00:08:37   The other computer.

00:08:39   Yeah, I think that's actually a pretty good ad.

00:08:41   You think that's the good one?

00:08:42   I do. I think that's the –

00:08:43   Oh, really?

00:08:44   Which one do you think is the –

00:08:45   I like – because I like the one in the airplane.

00:08:46   That's the one I think is okay.

00:08:48   I like the Mayday one. That's Mayday. And then –

00:08:51   I kind of – I don't know. I think they're both okay. I think they're both not bad

00:08:54   I don't and I don't think they're worthy of Chris. I think the one with the guy whose wife is having a baby

00:08:58   This is a pretty bad ad. Yes, that's a bad one

00:09:02   It's just but again. We I mean, yes you said and I think I said the same thing. They're not for us, right?

00:09:10   So what we think of them is really kind of irrelevant and I know that Ken Siegel who?

00:09:18   Has made some hay by public. He was in the ad industry had worked on Apple's ad campaigns a decade ago

00:09:24   Has published a little self-published a book about what it was like working with Steve Jobs and Apple on these ads

00:09:29   He was pretty pretty hard on him and and his I think the fundamental part of his argument is

00:09:35   Okay, so these ads aren't for your tip who aren't for existing users

00:09:40   They're for new users

00:09:41   but ideally a great ad would work for both that it would appeal to the new group and

00:09:47   Not anger people the way that these ads have angered people and I think there's definitely some truth to that that if they were truly

00:09:53   great ads. Everybody would agree they're good ads. But I don't really get the consternation

00:10:00   that these ads caused.

00:10:02   Yeah, I was a little bit surprised that some people seemed to be vehemently opposed to

00:10:07   them.

00:10:08   Right. And I'm not singing their praises, I don't think. I mean, I think at best my

00:10:12   take on them is roughly ambivalent. But I got a lot of – it's like a – most in

00:10:18   in a long time accusations of, you know, this is proof that John Gruber is in the bag for

00:10:23   Apple. He even he can't criticize these awful, awful ads. But I can't, I'm not going to,

00:10:29   you know what I mean? Like, I don't know what they want from me. I mean, am I supposed,

00:10:32   just because I'm ambivalent, should I turn the dial up to 11 and rip them apart? I don't

00:10:37   understand. I mean, I've given my honest take on them.

00:10:40   What's interesting is that nobody sees, we didn't, we did not have this reaction to the

00:10:43   celebrity ads.

00:10:45   No.

00:10:46   I wonder why that is.

00:10:48   They're not really any better.

00:10:51   I mean, they're not better.

00:10:52   In a way, I think, I mean, personally,

00:10:55   I like the May Day ad more than any of the celebrity ads.

00:10:58   Yeah, I don't know.

00:10:59   The May Day one isn't bad.

00:11:00   I don't know.

00:11:02   They're both not bad.

00:11:03   They're just not great.

00:11:04   I don't know.

00:11:04   Right, right.

00:11:05   But I think--

00:11:06   But neither are the celebrity ones.

00:11:08   And nobody seemed to really pay any attention to those.

00:11:10   It was when they started using the genius

00:11:13   that suddenly...

00:11:16   - And the one thing that underscores all this,

00:11:18   and I do think it would be different,

00:11:19   the thing that I think the X factor is that Steve Jobs

00:11:22   is dead and has been in the ground for a while now.

00:11:26   Whereas if he had stayed ahead of the cancer

00:11:30   for another year and we're still alive today,

00:11:33   and they released the exact same ads,

00:11:37   I don't think the criticism would have been

00:11:39   anywhere near what we've seen.

00:11:42   I think it's all driven by this, see the companies going downhill, flying off a cliff, because

00:11:48   Steve Jobs is dead.

00:11:49   Yeah.

00:11:50   And the timing, I guess, after the hugely disappointing quarterly results.

00:11:55   You had a good take on that.

00:12:00   I think it was you had a good take on that.

00:12:04   The headlines were so bad on the quarterly results, because it's all about Apple's

00:12:08   that they had a miss, they missed.

00:12:10   They had a miss, first miss, rare miss for Apple.

00:12:13   - And nobody explains what it is exactly they're missing.

00:12:15   - Right, that what it is they're missing is,

00:12:18   you explain this.

00:12:22   - They're just missing what the Wall Street analysts

00:12:25   think they were gonna report.

00:12:27   - Right.

00:12:28   - I mean, it's the Wall Street analyst estimates,

00:12:31   and it's like an average of the Wall Street analysts

00:12:33   estimates of what they were gonna report.

00:12:35   - Right, so every quarter, I guess every company does this,

00:12:38   where the company says, here's our results,

00:12:40   and here's what we think we're gonna do

00:12:42   in the coming quarter.

00:12:43   And Apple exceeded its own estimates,

00:12:47   which are, of course, famously low.

00:12:49   I mean, but it's smart that they always pick,

00:12:52   Apple publishes estimates for the coming quarter

00:12:54   that are like, this is what we know we can beat.

00:12:57   - We can hit, right.

00:12:59   And you never know, I mean, something could,

00:13:00   you know, they could get a surprise,

00:13:02   a bad surprise in the middle of the quarter.

00:13:04   - Right.

00:13:05   - I mean, and that's why they do that.

00:13:06   - Right.

00:13:07   And then the analysts will look at Apple's numbers and pick numbers higher than that

00:13:12   and say, "This is what we think they're really going to do."

00:13:15   And for quarters and quarters and quarters, Apple kept beating those estimates.

00:13:19   But they're just guesses.

00:13:20   They're just guesses from these guys.

00:13:22   And some of these guys, we all know, are very, very dumb.

00:13:25   I mean, they say they're on the record.

00:13:28   You can look at my website, your website.

00:13:30   A lot of these guys, for years and years, have a track record of saying some really,

00:13:35   really dumb things about Apple.

00:13:36   These guys are not that smart.

00:13:38   Some of them are.

00:13:39   Some of them are very smart.

00:13:41   But some of them are not that smart.

00:13:42   And they just average them together.

00:13:44   And in Apple's numbers that they released, a little bit under what these guys were saying,

00:13:48   especially on the – I think it was the iPhone sales in particular, even though they sold

00:13:52   26 million of them.

00:13:55   And bottom line, they still made like the most profit and revenue that they've ever

00:14:00   made in Q3 in the company's history.

00:14:04   They only topped their revenue estimate by a billion dollars.

00:14:07   I think it was the revenue estimate.

00:14:10   It was either the revenue or the profit.

00:14:12   I can't remember now.

00:14:13   Just a billion.

00:14:14   I will say, though, that the stock didn't – it didn't seem like investors actually

00:14:20   panicked or went by the headlines.

00:14:24   I think the stock dropped the next day, but it dropped by less than the S&P 500.

00:14:29   They actually beat the market the next day.

00:14:32   I think you could probably – I think if you wanted to make money on that, you'd

00:14:36   have to – you would have had to do it in after-hours trading.

00:14:39   Because it did seem like after-hours, it took a hit.

00:14:42   I think Horace did you – dryly noted as he often does that the stock went back to

00:14:50   where it was.

00:14:51   The level is not seen since June 2019.

00:14:58   I don't know what Apple has to do with an ad to make people happy now.

00:15:02   At this point, I feel like they could do anything and people are going to say these ads stink.

00:15:08   Yeah.

00:15:09   I guess, I mean, the iconic – I mean, the thing that I thought maybe they could have

00:15:16   done better was I didn't know – it didn't seem to me like picking a genius was necessarily

00:15:19   the right thing to go with from a sort of iconic corporate perspective.

00:15:24   Well, they don't have new – I think part of it too is that they wanted to have some

00:15:28   new ads for the Olympics.

00:15:30   They don't have new products to announce yet.

00:15:36   What did they have that nobody else has?

00:15:40   That's the Apple retail stores.

00:15:42   But I don't even know.

00:15:44   They can't shoot one in an Apple store because there's no concept there.

00:15:49   How do you pitch the Apple stores to people without showing Apple stores or doing just

00:15:55   look how nice our stores look?

00:15:59   I think you need a little goofy story like this.

00:16:02   I'm not sure that the premise is that much sillier or worse than the "I'm a Mac, I'm

00:16:07   a PC" thing that ran for years.

00:16:09   Well, I just thought that as the face of your company, the two previous big ad campaigns

00:16:17   had the Mac itself, and then prior to that it was Mac users like you.

00:16:24   And then now we're – now it's the guy who helps you with your Mac, which I think

00:16:32   it says to potential buyers, "Don't worry about it.

00:16:37   We got this guy.

00:16:39   He can help you out."

00:16:40   Right.

00:16:41   I really – and I just can't – it's just so hard to put yourself in that mindset

00:16:46   of somebody who's never bought an Apple computer but is thinking about it now.

00:16:52   Do you not know anybody?

00:16:56   Is your family and friends circle so…

00:16:59   Yeah, pretty much.

00:17:01   So completely…

00:17:03   Pretty much.

00:17:07   Amy has a cousin who was – her cousins have some college-age girls and one of them is

00:17:16   going off to be a freshman this year and they wanted – I think her older sister has a

00:17:21   Macbook too though.

00:17:22   I'm not sure but I know I know that they used to you know

00:17:25   They used to buy PCs and that she's getting a MacBook Pro to take to college and they wanted to know

00:17:31   Does it come with Wi-Fi?

00:17:34   You know and that was like their only question and and then I you know and I'm not making fun of them

00:17:41   They don't know. Yeah, I mean that was like like a serious question

00:17:44   They had like hey this thing comes with regular Wi-Fi, right and it's like oh, yeah

00:17:47   Definitely, you cannot buy you can't get it without the Wi-Fi. I mean, it's you're all set

00:17:52   And did they need like a base station or something like that?

00:17:55   I guess it could be confusing because Apple brands it under airport.

00:17:58   I mean maybe you think it's something else.

00:18:01   No, I don't think they do that anymore.

00:18:03   I think that like when you go up to the menu in Mountain Lion.

00:18:05   The base stations are, but yeah, probably not the…

00:18:08   Yeah, no, I'd just say, yeah, it says Wi-Fi.

00:18:14   But no, I don't really have anybody in that mindset.

00:18:17   But I guess I, you know, I guess I know people like that.

00:18:19   I guess one of the other dads who was coaching Little League with me this year

00:18:22   Is you know, you know and it's so hard like what do you do what do you know and then trying to explain people?

00:18:28   That is I do

00:18:31   and and you know, I guess he googled me then, you know, cuz any seemed like he

00:18:35   Kind of had an idea of what I did and he was on any kind of gave me that, you know

00:18:40   I'm thinking about getting getting and getting rid of all my crap and just getting some Apple stuff

00:18:43   Like he had like an Android phone and so he did in fact switch to an iPhone during the season

00:18:49   But I think he's going to switch to a Mac, too.

00:18:53   Oh, also my accountant.

00:18:54   My accountant.

00:18:55   Oh, that's right.

00:18:56   That's right.

00:18:56   I've talked about this.

00:18:57   My accountant has three Dell laptops on his desk.

00:19:01   And he hates them all and says that it takes like 90 seconds

00:19:05   after he opens the lid for them to let

00:19:07   him log into Windows and stuff.

00:19:09   He has an iPad now.

00:19:11   And I think he loves it so much that I wouldn't be surprised

00:19:14   if he's got probably three MacBooks by next year.

00:19:18   Karen's parents still use, her dad has a, I think it's HP, has an older HP.

00:19:26   And we left, we gave him an iPad when we were back visiting a few weeks back.

00:19:31   So I'm trying to…

00:19:32   I can't emphasize enough for my accountant how important the wake from sleep thing is.

00:19:37   And I always thought, and it's, you know, I'm sure it's one of those things where

00:19:40   if you buy a brand new Windows laptop, brand new, take it home, that it wakes from sleep

00:19:44   pretty fast and falls asleep pretty fast or whatever.

00:19:47   But it's just one of those things where I get the impression from him that Windows

00:19:51   is still Windows in that three or four months after you own the thing.

00:19:54   It doesn't wake up so fast.

00:19:56   I get the same impression from my father-in-law, too.

00:20:00   Just over time, it just starts degrading.

00:20:03   Right.

00:20:04   It's like Windows has always sort of been like that.

00:20:07   It's like fruit.

00:20:08   And I think that used to happen with my Mac, too, because I used to be much more loose

00:20:14   about what I would install.

00:20:18   And I think I'm more careful now about making sure that I don't get a whole bunch of startup

00:20:22   items.

00:20:23   Right.

00:20:24   Yeah.

00:20:25   And it seems every time I buy a printer, of course, the printer somehow end up with some

00:20:31   startup item for the printer, which just drives me nuts.

00:20:35   Best thing they ever – one of the best things that they ever did was the way they've changed

00:20:38   printing with iOS, where you're just – you, the printer maker, are not allowed to install

00:20:43   anything on this device. You've just, here's the protocol we support. If you want to be

00:20:47   able to, if you want people to be able to print from their iPads to your printer, it's

00:20:51   all on your side.

00:20:52   Yeah.

00:20:53   You know, support this.

00:20:54   And that was a big, that was a big complaint when the iPad came out. People said, oh, it

00:20:57   can't print. I was like, man, if Apple could kill printing, if Apple could just shoot printing

00:21:01   in the back of the head, that would be the best thing it could ever do.

00:21:04   Well, and the problem isn't, it's not printing per se, it's that you've always had to install

00:21:09   the jankiest ass software to get a new printer.

00:21:12   It's always a miserable experience.

00:21:13   Right.

00:21:16   I remember too, in the old days of installing Mac OS X,

00:21:20   when it's-- I don't even know, maybe the options are still

00:21:24   there, but it seems like now with the line in Mountain Lion,

00:21:26   you just download it from the App Store, you click a button,

00:21:30   give it your password, you walk away for an hour,

00:21:32   and you're upgraded.

00:21:33   And you don't make any choices.

00:21:35   There's nothing.

00:21:36   There's like a button.

00:21:37   There's just one button install.

00:21:39   But it used to be that you'd go through and check

00:21:41   some stuff you know you'd be like do you want these extra languages and it's like

00:21:46   no you know I mean I don't need you know mainland China I don't need that stuff

00:21:51   so I'll save some megabytes there and it used to be that it would show you how

00:21:55   big the printer drivers were and it was like it was like a gigabyte it was like

00:21:59   yeah you'd be like HP printer drivers and it would be like 800 megabytes yeah

00:22:03   and in printer drivers and it's like well I you know I don't have a Canon

00:22:08   printer but maybe someday I'm gonna have this MacBook in a room and there's gonna

00:22:11   to be one. Maybe I guess I should install it. I don't know. But they were huge.

00:22:14   >> Yeah. >> Absolutely huge.

00:22:16   >> And now you, yeah, that's a good point. I didn't even look at that stuff when I upgraded

00:22:22   to Mac. >> No, I don't even think they like it anymore.

00:22:26   >> Yeah, maybe that's true. >> So.

00:22:29   >> Back to it. >> Moving on. We got, we got, you know what?

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00:22:52   I love the picture of the dog.

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00:23:33   One of the examples they have is a very funny picture of a dog where the dog is sort of panting and it's looped animation

00:23:40   So it just seems like this dog is just sitting there panting that poor dog needs a drink of water needs a drink of water

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00:24:19   And I think if you have me because I've done this with my dog I have a cut I mean I'm my tumbler

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00:24:37   You know the other thing that reminds me of our and I don't even know if they have a name for them

00:24:41   But in the Harry Potter and the newspapers the way the photographs in the newspaper have a bit of animation to them

00:24:46   You know that it's not just a static image. It's that sort of thing

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00:25:50   Well, people are really supposed to be buying everything.

00:25:52   No, absolutely.

00:25:53   Yeah.

00:25:54   Yeah, just buy.

00:25:55   I mean, you want to collect the whole set.

00:25:57   You do.

00:25:58   You don't want to be left behind.

00:25:59   You don't want to be the guy who missed the one thing.

00:26:01   And it's easier.

00:26:02   It is so much easier when the app is free.

00:26:05   Yeah.

00:26:06   Well, yeah.

00:26:07   Because you don't even have to pay tax on that.

00:26:11   At least not in Pennsylvania.

00:26:12   I'm not sure about that.

00:26:13   Do you have state sales tax?

00:26:14   Oh, yeah.

00:26:15   We got a, I think it's 6.5%, which sucks.

00:26:17   I mean, just...

00:26:19   Ours is eight or something, between eight and nine or something like that.

00:26:23   I just feel bad for the kids because I remember when I was in grade school and we had to compute

00:26:26   the sales tax.

00:26:27   When I was a kid it was six percent, which is, the math just isn't that good on that.

00:26:32   Why not five percent would be a lot easier.

00:26:34   But six and a half percent, that's like a lot of carrying numbers.

00:26:38   It just makes me feel bad for the kids who got to compute that.

00:26:43   And then the other thing with six and a half percent, you end up with, you got like little

00:26:47   decimals of a penny.

00:26:48   Yeah, half a penny, hey penny.

00:26:50   When's the last time you saw a hey penny?

00:26:52   - Yeah.

00:26:53   - Don't even get me started on a penny.

00:26:54   - It's hard, yeah, it's hard to carry that stuff around.

00:26:57   - What do we got?

00:26:59   We got Apple v Samsung going to court.

00:27:02   - Are you wearing your suit?

00:27:03   - I am wearing my suit

00:27:04   'cause we're doing legal analysis here.

00:27:06   - Right.

00:27:07   - And by far and away, it seems,

00:27:10   a lot of this is, the basic story

00:27:13   is exactly what you think Apple's case is,

00:27:15   hey, these guys ripped us off.

00:27:17   And Samsung's case is there's nothing to rip off.

00:27:21   It's just a black rectangle.

00:27:23   And other people had touch screens,

00:27:26   so how could we rip them off?

00:27:28   But I get the impression, reading the coverage so far,

00:27:33   and we're recording on Thursday, August 2,

00:27:36   that they went to court, I think,

00:27:37   starting on Monday, a couple days ago.

00:27:39   I get the feeling, though, that Samsung

00:27:43   doesn't think this is going very well for them.

00:27:47   I can't tell if it's that necessarily or if they're just, you know, laying the ground

00:27:52   where it's so hard to tell with this stuff, but because there's so many, it's such a 12

00:27:56   dimensional chess that they are just laying the groundwork for an appeal in case they

00:28:01   need to make an appeal.

00:28:03   Right.

00:28:04   That, but that it makes it seem though that it's, that they're already thinking they're

00:28:08   going to need to appeal this.

00:28:09   And so they're, cause they, and the, the, the unusual story is that they really seem

00:28:14   to have deliberately angered the judge.

00:28:17   Which doesn't seem like a good idea.

00:28:19   No, it really, you know.

00:28:21   If you're losing the ballgame already, you might as well just go out there and kick dirt

00:28:25   on the umpire and get thrown out because you're losing already.

00:28:27   But you don't want to do, before the game starts, to start complaining to the ump and

00:28:33   be like, you know, in general you're a pretty crummy umpire.

00:28:37   Before the game starts, you know what I mean?

00:28:39   It just doesn't seem like you're going to get a lot of the – it's going to help

00:28:43   your case.

00:28:46   But they wanted to admit some evidence at the last minute.

00:28:50   And Apple's objection to this, which I think is right – it seems to me – I mean, you

00:28:55   know what?

00:28:56   I'm not really a lawyer.

00:28:57   I just play one here on a podcast.

00:28:59   But the idea was that it was after the deadline, that there's a deadline for – I don't

00:29:02   know what they call that.

00:29:03   Is that Discovery, whatever the hell they call it?

00:29:05   But there's a deadline where they say, "Look, whatever you want to use as evidence in the

00:29:08   case, you have to submit by this date, so that the other side can take a look at it and prepare a

00:29:13   response or an objection, etc, which seems fair. You want you know, you can't just pull stuff out

00:29:20   of your pocket at the you know, on the stand and surprise the other side, everybody gets a chance

00:29:24   to prepare and see the other guy's evidence before the case starts in Samsung like a day or two

00:29:29   before the trial started said, Hey, we want to add this stuff. And Apple is like, well, that's past

00:29:34   the date. And doesn't really seem like good evidence anyway, right? It's this F 700 phone

00:29:42   that they made in 2006. That wasn't even a smartphone. And it had a QWERTY pullout slider,

00:29:48   it was like twice as thick as an iPhone. But if you look at it top down, you know, it kind of

00:29:55   looks like a touchscreen smartphone. It's black when you know, if you don't turn it on and look

00:30:01   look at it straight down and squint your eyes and take your glasses off, it kind of maybe

00:30:07   looks a little sort of like a modern smartphone which all sort of look like iPhones.

00:30:13   But wasn't this the one that didn't come out until, wasn't announced until after?

00:30:18   No, it didn't come out until after, sometime in 2007 after the iPhone had been announced.

00:30:23   But it really, you know, and I think, you know, I think, you know, I think, you know,

00:30:24   I think, you know, I think, you know, I think, you know, I think, you know, I think, you

00:30:25   know, I think, you know, I think, you know, I think, you know, I think, you know, I think,

00:30:26   you know, I think, you know, I think, you know, I think, you know, I think, you know, I think,

00:30:27   this week from a year ago because Samsung had already been talking up this phone because

00:30:33   it predated the iPhone at least internally, but that it was really nothing. Once you really

00:30:37   looked at the phone, it was nothing like an iPhone or even like a modern Samsung smartphone.

00:30:41   It wasn't even a smartphone. There were no apps. And it didn't you know, the screen that

00:30:48   they show, which sort of looks like an array of icons in a grid, which you think, well,

00:30:53   that's sort of like an iPhone that wasn't even the home screen. That was just like the

00:30:56   settings app. The home screen was more like a menu. Yeah, well, yeah, like, you know,

00:31:02   like the weird, like a desktop, like thing like Windows Phone used to have a Yeah, I

00:31:07   think it was a I might even been a Windows Phone device. I don't know. But it would look,

00:31:11   you know, it was nothing like an iPhone. And what it was the other thing they wanted to

00:31:14   get submitted, they wanted to get this goofy story about Apple copying Sony. Not because

00:31:21   they had an actual Sony device or phone that looked anything at all like an iPhone from

00:31:26   before the iPhone. But because because of a business week story that interviewed two

00:31:32   designers from Sony about a new Walkman in 2006 or so. And, and their question was, how

00:31:40   much was this thing inspired by the iPod? And the Sony guys said something about rounded

00:31:46   corner, we like rounded corners, and as few buttons as possible. That's all they said

00:31:51   That was their comment and then internally at Apple somebody said well what you know let's let's just as an exercise

00:31:56   What would a Sony device that adhered to those?

00:31:59   broad descriptions look like

00:32:01   And an Apple in-house made their own sort of what would a Sony device like this look like

00:32:07   Just based on the Sony aesthetic right based on the Sony aesthetic, and you know it looks like an iPhone 4

00:32:14   And there's a couple of buttons there were a couple of buttons down at the bottom

00:32:20   It's like switches almost, and they look just like the original buttons on the very first Walkman.

00:32:26   Right. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I think it was like homage to the 1979 Walkman.

00:32:32   It doesn't really seem to help Samsung's case at all, really, other than this broad description

00:32:38   of what, round corners and few buttons. Very strange. But anyway, the thing that really gets

00:32:47   crazy though is that the judge said no you cannot admit any of this and so at

00:32:50   the end of the day like day one of the trial Samsung PR took all these slides

00:32:54   that they weren't allowed to put in in front of the jury released them to the

00:32:59   press and then a statement said that that they hope the jury gets to see them

00:33:05   through the press and what they said they said that it would be unfair if the

00:33:11   jury did not get to see yeah yeah so there's a little there's a little bit

00:33:15   hedging in there. But the implication really clearly seemed to be that we hope the jury sees,

00:33:20   you know, we weren't allowed to show it to you in court, but we really hope the jury sees this when

00:33:24   they go home and read TechCrunch. It is a Silicon Valley jury. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. I saw that

00:33:32   in the jury selection that there were a whole bunch of... That was, yeah, that was pretty funny.

00:33:38   I mean, they had Apple, they had Apple people and Google people, of course, in the jury pool.

00:33:43   >> Right. I also saw that they were asking them, prospective jurors, are they familiar with patents?

00:33:50   Do they know anything? And there was one guy who has like, he has like 150 patents to his name.

00:33:54   Because he works, I don't know where he works, maybe like HP or something like that. But he's,

00:33:59   his name is on like 100 patents. I wonder if they picked him. I doubt it. Like most of the time,

00:34:05   they usually try to pick people who don't know. But maybe in Silicon Valley, there's no way around

00:34:09   it. It might be hard. Yeah. But anyway, the judge did not seem happy with that on Samsung's part.

00:34:20   Well, I think it's odd that they brought that up after Discovery.

00:34:24   Yeah. It seems like they, it sounds like they already knew about it beforehand,

00:34:29   because they were talking about it last year. And maybe this is another

00:34:37   tactic to try and cast doubt on the proceedings?

00:34:42   I guess.

00:34:43   To sort of say, "Okay, we're going to bring this up late.

00:34:46   We'll try and get it in.

00:34:47   They won't let us get it in, and then we'll throw our arms up and say the whole thing's

00:34:49   a sham."

00:34:50   Right.

00:34:51   And I've already gotten some email from people who are – and God bless them.

00:34:56   I feel like I'm doing something good that they can at least stand to read my site.

00:34:59   But people who are on the other side of things and really are sort of hoping that Apple loses

00:35:02   this case, people who are, you know, think it has no merits, people who don't really

00:35:06   like Apple.

00:35:10   And the one guy has said that this is, you know, he's convinced, you know, it's just

00:35:14   like a statement of fact that the judge has had it in the bag for Apple all along, which

00:35:19   I really don't think has been the case.

00:35:21   She's actually, you know, it seems like she's kind of unhappy with both sides that they

00:35:24   weren't able to settle.

00:35:25   Right.

00:35:26   You know, it seems like she's pretty upset that this has even gone to trial, that this

00:35:29   This should have been settled before, you know, they should have been able to hash out

00:35:32   a check that Samsung could write to Apple.

00:35:35   That seems to be her biggest beef.

00:35:36   Yeah.

00:35:37   I mean, she's in, so now they're in the middle of this and she's, she wants it.

00:35:41   She wanted it.

00:35:42   She wanted it not to not get to this point.

00:35:44   What did I read?

00:35:45   I just read to this one thing.

00:35:46   I, this is where I just don't get it is that I read that Apple, what Apple wants is they

00:35:50   want like $2.8 billion from Samsung, which is, you know, that's a lot of money.

00:35:55   Even for Apple, it's a lot of money to, you know, you don't, you don't.

00:35:59   just leave two point eight billion dollars in the couch cushions

00:36:03   it's not that much money

00:36:05   right they've got like a hundred and

00:36:07   eleven million billion dollars in the bank

00:36:09   they made eight point eight billion in profit profit last quarter

00:36:13   i mean an extra two point eight billion i mean that's nice i mean if if let's

00:36:17   just say that that day it works out exactly how apple says it

00:36:21   they wanted to that

00:36:22   the jury rules in apples favor

00:36:24   they say give them exactly what apple wants two point eight billion dollars

00:36:27   Well, that's nice, but is it worth everything they're going through?

00:36:31   I'm not sure.

00:36:33   I guess so.

00:36:35   You know, how much time-- I mean, what are their lawyers doing anyway, right?

00:36:37   Their lawyers are lawyering every day anyway.

00:36:41   They might as well be lawyering for $2.8 billion in damages.

00:36:45   And is it more the point of what it's-- less what it's worth to Apple

00:36:49   and what it's worth to Samsung?

00:36:50   Because as Microsoft is doing with Android

00:36:55   by trying to sort of kill it by a thousand nicks.

00:36:59   Just basically charge it, make it cost enough

00:37:02   to produce an Android phone where it's no better

00:37:05   than producing a Windows phone.

00:37:08   - Right, and maybe it's also about

00:37:10   steering Samsung's future decisions,

00:37:13   how closely they're gonna try to copy Apple stuff

00:37:16   going forward.

00:37:18   And some of the stuff that Apple presented,

00:37:19   I mean, again, I tend to see stuff,

00:37:23   I mean, I think Apple's got a pretty good case.

00:37:25   But I don't know.

00:37:27   I think that some of the stuff that they've--

00:37:29   in Apple's evidence that's going in seems really pretty damning.

00:37:33   My favorite is that it's from a Samsung internal investigation

00:37:40   into why there were so many returns of Galaxy tabs

00:37:43   at Best Buys.

00:37:45   So they went to the Best Buy people and were like,

00:37:47   well, what are the reasons people are returning it?

00:37:49   And the most frequently cited reason

00:37:51   for why people were returning a Galaxy Tab.

00:37:55   John?

00:37:56   They thought it was an iPad. They thought it was an iPad.

00:38:01   Which really seems like it's exactly

00:38:04   Apple's argument all along.

00:38:06   It really does.

00:38:07   That is pretty bad. Samsung's own investigation into this. It wasn't like Apple went

00:38:12   there and

00:38:13   you know, you could accuse Apple of hiring pollsters who go into a Best Buy

00:38:17   and cherry pick people who might be confused. I mean, these are

00:38:21   Samsung's own investigation into why people were returning them.

00:38:26   The other thing that I thought was real damning was the emails from Google to them saying,

00:38:30   "Hey, these things look too much like iPads.

00:38:34   You got to change this up," and they didn't change any of it.

00:38:40   You saw that HP tablet, which the back of it looked exactly like an iPad.

00:38:48   They're not really pursuing-- I mean,

00:38:50   I guess they're pursuing some other-- like HTC

00:38:53   and some other manufacturers and Motorola.

00:38:57   Yeah, the HP one that HP teased in an Olympic commercial.

00:39:01   It's like an unannounced product,

00:39:02   but it looks a lot like an iPad where

00:39:04   it's an aluminum device with rounded edges

00:39:07   and then a black plastic strip at the top, presumably,

00:39:10   where the antennas are.

00:39:12   Yeah, which I'm sure is just the natural evolution

00:39:16   of the devices, right?

00:39:18   All devices would have normally ended up there.

00:39:21   It's like something from Star Trek, the next generation, where evolution on a planet always

00:39:27   ends up in a humanoid, a hominid form, and they just have different bumpy heads.

00:39:34   Right, exactly.

00:39:36   Or ears.

00:39:39   These guys have green ears.

00:39:41   Yeah, look, they're completely different.

00:39:44   It's not just an actor.

00:39:46   It's not just that we needed to address an actor.

00:39:49   The original Klingons didn't even have the bumpy heads.

00:39:51   The original Klingons-

00:39:52   No, they just had goatees.

00:39:53   They just had goatees.

00:39:56   And then what they do, they explain that away by saying that they were like-

00:40:02   The Klingons didn't want the Federation to know what they really looked like.

00:40:06   No, it was a disease and the only way- I'm pretty sure this is true.

00:40:10   It was a disease and the only way to cure the Klingon population was for a time they

00:40:15   had to inject them with human DNA.

00:40:19   And so that's why they looked human.

00:40:22   I think that's the case.

00:40:25   I'm sure somebody in your audience will correct me if I'm wrong.

00:40:28   Yeah, they had goatees.

00:40:30   That was great.

00:40:35   of hundreds of billions of dollars. Andrew Ross Sorkin had a blog post on the New York

00:40:41   Times Deal Book blog with his suggested buying list for Apple. Who should Apple acquire?

00:40:49   And I think the bottom line is it shows just how – honestly, I think it's just how

00:40:53   hard it is to spell 100 to spend that type of money. His ideas were nuanced than Dragon,

00:40:59   naturally speaking people, which makes a lot of sense to me. I'm actually sort of surprised

00:41:04   is that Apple hasn't bought them already.

00:41:05   And I'll get back to that in a second.

00:41:08   But that's the only one that makes sense to me.

00:41:10   - Yeah.

00:41:11   - And I think their market cap is around six billion.

00:41:13   So figure with a premium,

00:41:14   that'd probably cost Apple maybe like $8 billion

00:41:17   maybe to buy them out.

00:41:18   Twitter, I mean that's not gonna happen.

00:41:23   Path, I mean why?

00:41:24   - Why?

00:41:25   - Yeah, why?

00:41:26   RIM.

00:41:28   And now you're in the silly zone already, right?

00:41:30   And Andrew Ross Sorkin is a good writer.

00:41:32   I think it was a good blog post.

00:41:34   It's not a bad idea for a post, like who could Apple buy?

00:41:36   But I think once, when number four is RIM.

00:41:39   - Yeah.

00:41:41   I guess it's, I mean you really, you have to know

00:41:44   what other companies are out,

00:41:45   what other smaller companies are out there.

00:41:48   I think there's an inclination to write

00:41:51   about Apple buying somebody big.

00:41:53   - Right.

00:41:54   - Because that sounds sexier.

00:41:56   And it just doesn't seem like they're gonna do that.

00:41:59   - Right.

00:42:01   Their MO is more just going out and buying smaller companies that have a strategic asset

00:42:08   that they need.

00:42:09   Yeah, they buy technology.

00:42:11   I can't remember the last time they bought a product.

00:42:14   Yeah.

00:42:15   I'm drawing a complete blank on that.

00:42:17   But they bought a bunch of mapping companies.

00:42:20   Next.

00:42:21   Famously, the one company had these fancy pants 3D maps, which now they're exactly like

00:42:26   the 3D maps we have in iOS 6.

00:42:28   So they bought technology.

00:42:32   You know, they bought the system on a chip guys a couple years ago.

00:42:37   Remember that?

00:42:38   It was like a CPU company.

00:42:42   You know, a year or two before they started making their own system on the chips for iOS

00:42:46   devices, stuff like that.

00:42:47   They buy technology.

00:42:48   I can't see them buying a product.

00:42:50   You could argue, though, that Nuance is more of a technology than a product.

00:42:55   I mean, I don't know what they make from Dragon.

00:42:57   I mean, they have a $6 billion market cap, so I'm sure they have revenue and profit,

00:43:02   but they'd be buying it just for the speech recognition.

00:43:08   So I guess the reason I was a little surprised they didn't buy them at first is that they

00:43:12   seem like they've completely bet all of Siri on Nuance's speech recognition, presumably

00:43:22   because it was the best they could get.

00:43:25   And I think it's very good, but it just seems unusual to me that they would put a whole

00:43:29   feature on top of a technology that they don't own.

00:43:34   Yeah.

00:43:36   And what about – I forget what you said about Square.

00:43:40   Well, I just don't see why they wouldn't build it themselves.

00:43:42   Build it themselves.

00:43:43   That's what I would think, too.

00:43:44   Right?

00:43:45   Like, is there anything – what would they be getting from Square that would put them

00:43:47   ahead of just doing it themselves?

00:43:49   I mean, presumably with Nuance, with the speech recognition, the reason they're not doing

00:43:54   at themselves is it's a really, really hard problem that Nuance has already solved really

00:43:59   well and that they couldn't, you know, they don't have an in-house means of doing what

00:44:06   Nuance does better than Nuance, so license it.

00:44:09   Whereas I don't think there's anything Square does that Apple couldn't just do on its own.

00:44:14   But on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if you found out if the news came out next

00:44:17   month that Apple bought Square, it wouldn't shock me at all.

00:44:20   I mean, because they're a very design-oriented company.

00:44:25   Yeah.

00:44:26   I mean, the goofy little dingus that you put in the earphone thing, that's not going to

00:44:32   fly at Apple.

00:44:34   But in terms of whatever partnerships they've already set up at retailers around the country,

00:44:38   that might help.

00:44:39   And then the last one, his last suggestion was Sprint, which to me is just like – now

00:44:44   you're just making jokes.

00:44:45   Right.

00:44:46   You're just making things up.

00:44:47   Right.

00:44:48   You're just making things up.

00:44:49   I mean, the whole story of the iPhone is that it's selling more and more as it expands

00:44:58   to more and more carriers.

00:45:00   The idea is that they're expanding to more carriers.

00:45:02   If Apple bought Sprint, what do you think Verizon and AT&T would do?

00:45:04   They would immediately stop – I mean, I think they would just stop selling the iPhone.

00:45:07   Yeah.

00:45:08   I mean, and the point is to make – is to try and make the carriers more relevant, too.

00:45:12   Right.

00:45:13   Instead of going to the carrier business.

00:45:15   Right.

00:45:16   I think presumably long term, I mean, let's say 20 years from now, I think everybody kind

00:45:21   of hopes that we've got some kind of wireless networking that doesn't involve these carriers.

00:45:25   We'll move on to something, a big new thing.

00:45:30   I would rather, I think if Apple's going to spend $10 billion on wireless networking,

00:45:34   it would make a lot more sense to put it into some kind of next generation technology with

00:45:40   long range and stuff like that and not by buying a phone company.

00:45:46   In which case they'd buy some small company that was starting in that field.

00:45:50   Right. One thing he didn't suggest, and I'm kind of surprised,

00:45:54   because it's always what comes up, and in fact a lot of technology companies, they do this.

00:45:59   Microsoft has done this. Google really hasn't.

00:46:04   But Yahoo certainly has, is buying media companies.

00:46:09   Right? Like I'm surprised that he didn't suggest Disney as a target.

00:46:14   target. No, I mean don't you, I'm not even joking. I'm not saying Apple should buy Disney,

00:46:20   but I'm just saying if you're going to just say look, if you're going to piss, you know,

00:46:24   10, 20 billion dollars away on an acquisition, why not Disney? Right? I mean, even if you

00:46:32   would just ignore the fact that Steve Jobs' family is the single largest shareholder and

00:46:37   that they've, you know, got an existing relationship, whatever, it just seems like that's what big

00:46:41   tech companies do when they have money burning a hole in their pocket? Buy a movie studio.

00:46:46   I don't think that's a good idea. I mean, no, it's a terrible idea.

00:46:49   So I'm glad he didn't have it on there.

00:46:54   Kodak. I wonder why he didn't say buy Kodak.

00:46:59   Kodak, yeah, for the patents.

00:47:01   Yeah. I think Kodak is one of those ones that they might end up buying,

00:47:04   but it's going to be after, you know. It's just a shell.

00:47:07   Yeah, it's just a bunch of patents. It's just a bunch of pieces of paper.

00:47:11   That's so sad.

00:47:13   The thing about Kodak, you know this? I might be making this up. I'm not Wikipedia-ing this. I'm doing this from memory.

00:47:20   Is, uh, because the guy who founded the company was something, something Eastman, right?

00:47:25   Yeah.

00:47:26   Uh, you know where the name Kodak came from?

00:47:29   Oh, I think I used to, I think I used to know this.

00:47:33   The way I remember it is that he just thought it sounded cool.

00:47:36   Oh, really?

00:47:37   Yeah, but maybe I'm wrong and maybe I should I should Wikipedia this I

00:47:41   Like the sound of that though

00:47:45   It is a cool name totally make up. Yeah. Yeah, it's a cool name and just there we go. You're checking John Eastman

00:47:51   Hold on. Let's see what Wikipedia says and you know, Wikipedia is you know, if it says it in Wikipedia, it's true

00:47:58   The letter K was a favorite of Eastman's he is quoted as saying it seems a strong incisive sort of letter

00:48:07   He and his mother devised the name Kodak with an anagram set.

00:48:12   Eastman said that there were three principal concepts he used in creating the name.

00:48:15   It should be short, one cannot mispronounce it, and it could not resemble anything or

00:48:21   be associated with anything but Kodak.

00:48:23   It's a great name.

00:48:25   It really is.

00:48:26   Yeah.

00:48:27   Yeah.

00:48:28   I think it's odd having a favorite letter, but odd for an adult to have a favorite letter.

00:48:32   I don't have a lot more on the agenda.

00:48:35   Let me do the second sponsor right now.

00:48:37   - Okay.

00:48:37   - And I'm gonna tell you right now,

00:48:39   I'm gonna mispronounce it.

00:48:40   It's our friends at--

00:48:42   - Oh, that's right.

00:48:43   - Let me see if I get this right.

00:48:46   I botched it the last time.

00:48:47   I said, last time I said pixelmator.

00:48:50   Pixelmator.

00:48:51   That's not it.

00:48:52   And everybody wrote in, it's not pixelmator.

00:48:54   It's p-i-x-l-mator.

00:48:57   - I think you're overdoing the first syllable.

00:49:00   - P-i-x-l-mator.

00:49:01   (laughing)

00:49:04   Pixelmator.

00:49:06   That is also, yes, there you go.

00:49:07   Everybody's favorite independent image editing app for the Mac.

00:49:13   It's in the App Store.

00:49:14   You can download it.

00:49:15   You get it right for, you go over to pixelmator.com.

00:49:19   Pixelmator like automator.

00:49:20   That's how I was told to pronounce it for real.

00:49:24   And they've got a new version coming out.

00:49:26   Now it's not out yet.

00:49:27   It's coming out on August 9th.

00:49:28   But that's, when you guys listening out there, you listeners, as you're listening, that's

00:49:32   That's going to be Thursday, August 9th, version 2.1 coming out, code name Cherry.

00:49:40   And they've got tons of new stuff in this update.

00:49:42   It's retina ready.

00:49:43   I've looked at it on a MacBook Pro with a retina display.

00:49:47   It looks gorgeous, looks amazing.

00:49:50   Built-in support for iCloud.

00:49:52   So it's got the new mountain lion style iCloud documents thing.

00:49:58   They have a brand new effects browser, and they've got some new built-in effects that

00:50:04   are sort of like, you know, Instagram-style filters and stuff like that that you can apply

00:50:09   to your filters.

00:50:10   But, you know, as you would expect from a serious app like Pixelmator, a lot more – a

00:50:14   little bit less like trying to make it look like a crumpled old photograph and more just

00:50:18   sort of artistic presets.

00:50:21   Great stuff for manipulating photos, though.

00:50:24   What else do they have?

00:50:25   Smart alignment guides.

00:50:27   Very cool stuff.

00:50:28   Great update.

00:50:29   2.1 Pixelmator coming out on August 9th.

00:50:34   If you're a Pixelmator user, you got to get the update.

00:50:36   And if you're not a Pixelmator user, shame on you.

00:50:40   Shame on you.

00:50:41   >> I bought a MacBook Air after we got back from WWDC and that was one of the first apps

00:50:46   that I put on it.

00:50:47   I started fresh, which I hadn't done in years.

00:50:50   And so I needed to go back and install.

00:50:53   Just deliberately install certain apps and try and leave old junk behind.

00:50:57   I always try to do that.

00:50:58   That was one of the first ones I put on it.

00:50:59   That's always a good thing to do.

00:51:00   Yeah.

00:51:01   You've got to have something like – you've got to have Pixelmator.

00:51:02   I mean, it's – and you know, you just get it right from the App Store and there you

00:51:06   go.

00:51:07   It's not like the Adobe stuff where you – you know, all of a sudden you've got

00:51:09   seven gigabytes of Flash Player stuff sitting in your library folder.

00:51:15   Installers.

00:51:16   What else have we got here?

00:51:18   We've got a couple of stories.

00:51:19   This isn't news but somehow it's come up this last week is the idea that the carriers in

00:51:24   the U.S. and I think around the world I got some email from a guy who works at a car phone

00:51:29   store in I think in Ireland.

00:51:34   The carriers direct their sales people.

00:51:37   They tell them, "Hey, guy comes in and says he wants a smartphone.

00:51:41   Try to steer him towards these Android things, not the iPhone."

00:51:47   And that's not news, but yeah, but I thought that the one story the story was pretty good.

00:51:54   With this guy, Jeff Stern went into a Verizon store and spent 40 minutes and he admits that

00:51:59   he himself is not a big he, you know, he's the f word.

00:52:03   He says, I'm certainly not an Apple fanboy.

00:52:05   I was in your store to buy an Android phone.

00:52:08   He went in there to buy an Android phone.

00:52:09   But this is what he heard.

00:52:10   These are some quotes he heard from Verizon sales staff to customers.

00:52:15   They released the iPhone 4S because Steve Jobs died, so they just threw in a couple

00:52:19   more features and pushed it out.

00:52:22   That's my favorite.

00:52:23   That might be my favorite.

00:52:24   That day.

00:52:25   Could you just imagine?

00:52:27   Just imagine, like, it's Phil Schiller and…

00:52:31   Ship it!

00:52:32   Phil Schiller and Tim Cook and Johnny Ive, and they're like, "God, this is so sad

00:52:39   about Steve.

00:52:40   You know what?

00:52:41   Let's just slap some more features onto this phone and in his memory we'll just shit out

00:52:50   a new iPhone.

00:52:55   That's the way that they're going to – I mean, that's –

00:52:57   It's actually incorrect on so many levels.

00:53:02   What is the thought process there?

00:53:04   Because Steve Jobs died.

00:53:05   Like, that the cause and effect of this was Steve Jobs died, so they threw in a couple

00:53:10   more features.

00:53:11   was off their back and now they could do whatever they wanted to do.

00:53:15   Apple's servers are really small and when you use Siri it normally

00:53:19   redirects to Google anyway. It's actually not

00:53:23   too far off the mark I guess. Every icon looks

00:53:27   alike on your home screen and it's really hard to find applications.

00:53:31   You know where it's really, you know where it's even harder to find applications?

00:53:35   In the dock? No, in the Android store.

00:53:39   [LAUGHTER]

00:53:42   Yeah, I bought my Wi-Fi at Nexus 7.

00:53:45   Oh, yeah?

00:53:46   Yeah.

00:53:47   She wanted something to read books in bed.

00:53:50   And I asked her if she wanted an iPad,

00:53:54   and she didn't want something that big,

00:53:56   because she's really just using it to read books.

00:53:58   And so I was like, I'll get the Nexus,

00:53:59   because I want to try it out anyway.

00:54:01   And it's $200.

00:54:03   And so-- and she's only using it as an e-reader.

00:54:08   But I perused the Google Play Store and it was really,

00:54:13   that was really, I mean, 'cause Hank wanted to,

00:54:16   the weekend we got it, we went to the beach

00:54:18   and Hank wanted to try it and play some games on it

00:54:20   and so I tried to download some games

00:54:22   and I really had a hard time finding anything

00:54:25   that was that good.

00:54:26   - Yeah, and it does seem like the best apps

00:54:28   are all the ones that are already built into it.

00:54:31   Like there aren't any third party apps

00:54:34   that are like must-haves.

00:54:35   - Yeah.

00:54:36   - And what else did I ever heard?

00:54:37   I just read today, Fraser Spears had a review of the Nexus 7.

00:54:41   He says that the Kindle app is just like the iPhone Kindle app, except font rendering is

00:54:46   worse.

00:54:47   Yeah.

00:54:48   >> But it's – I like the form factor and I think Dan Frakes said a piece on Macworld

00:54:52   about how that makes the case for a smaller iPad and I kind of agree with that.

00:54:58   >> Yeah.

00:54:59   I think that the gist – I think what the consensus that everybody is coming to is that

00:55:03   the 10-inch tablet is sort of a really great size for general purpose mobile tablet computer.

00:55:12   But it's too big to use it as an e-reader. Meaning you're just sitting somewhere and

00:55:18   just holding it in one hand and reading something really long. That it's just not really that

00:55:26   good. There's a reason why all the dedicated e-readers are more like the 6-inch size.

00:55:31   Yeah, and the thing I like about it is that that seven-inch size really fits in your…

00:55:39   I mean, you can hold it in your hand and your fingers can go on either side of it still,

00:55:42   or at least my hand.

00:55:44   And I don't think you'll be able to do that with a 7.8-inch.

00:55:49   I wonder.

00:55:50   I do wonder about that.

00:55:51   Like, that's, you know, obviously the rampant rumors are that Apple's smaller iPad is going

00:55:56   to be 7.85 inches.

00:55:58   So I wonder if-- I definitely-- and I've linked to it

00:56:02   and explained it, and the math really does seem-- even

00:56:06   without trying it, the math seems really solid that

00:56:09   usability-wise, it'll be really nice that the apps won't seem

00:56:13   too small to use, that the touch targets will be good if you

00:56:16   just run existing iPad apps at that size.

00:56:20   But I do wonder if by making it that big that they overshoot

00:56:23   the "it's really nice to hold in one hand."

00:56:28   Yeah.

00:56:29   But I have a theory about that too, in that maybe it's not so much about size.

00:56:35   Built-in handle in the back?

00:56:37   Kickstand.

00:56:38   Kickstand.

00:56:39   No, it's like a glove.

00:56:41   You just put it on the back of your hand like a glove.

00:56:45   Big oven mitt.

00:56:46   No, I think it might be – how much of it is about the size of the iPad as we know it

00:56:51   and how much is weight?

00:56:52   Weight.

00:56:53   I think it's mostly weight.

00:56:55   I think it's mostly weight because you think, you know, I mean…

00:56:59   But I don't think it's all weight because I do think it is nice to just be able to hold

00:57:04   it in your hand.

00:57:05   But I mean for me reading on the iPad, laying on my back or whatever and having – I mean

00:57:12   what I do, I curl up the smart cover and I hold it by the smart cover.

00:57:17   I just – you know, I think the way you go about designing things is you pick a couple

00:57:21   of criteria that you're going to consider to be your primary ones and they're the

00:57:25   ones you try to compromise the least on. And then everything else is where you make these

00:57:28   compromises to meet these goals. And it's a lot better to have a couple of things that

00:57:33   really stand out than to try to optimize everything and end up with every aspect of it being mediocre.

00:57:40   So I think one one area where the iPad as we know it, they haven't really optimized

00:57:44   for is weight. It's not, you know, compared to like a laptop, it's not heavy. Nobody ever

00:57:49   I said, "Boy, this iPad is killing me."

00:57:51   But it's not a super lightweight device.

00:57:55   It's not super thin.

00:57:56   I have a theory.

00:57:59   My thinking is that if this iPad Mini thing is true,

00:58:01   that maybe weight becomes a primary design goal

00:58:06   and that it's really, really thin.

00:58:08   And so it comes at the expense of something like a,

00:58:11   that's why it doesn't have a,

00:58:12   doesn't supposedly have a retina display

00:58:14   because then it can use a smaller battery.

00:58:19   So it's just –

00:58:20   Because the Retina display takes more battery, so with a much smaller battery, it's thinner


00:58:25   It's thinner the way the iPod Touch is thin.

00:58:28   Right.

00:58:29   Just sort of insanely thin.

00:58:30   Yeah, exactly.

00:58:31   That's – I didn't think of that, but I'm going to steal that.

00:58:34   That's good.

00:58:35   Yeah, go ahead.

00:58:36   Yeah, so the way that the iPod Touch is remarkably thinner than an iPhone, maybe this thing,

00:58:40   the iPad Mini, is remarkably thinner than the iPad as we know it.

00:58:45   And that –

00:58:46   That's a great selling point.

00:58:47   Right.

00:58:48   No. It's the one-handed iPad. That's what I'm thinking. We should call somebody at Apple.

00:58:57   It's that. Make that happen. Anything else? I got a few things like, what do we call them?

00:59:05   Meffues, follow-ups? Yeah. On last week's show with MG Segaler, I somehow, I forgot the third key

00:59:14   to success on the internet. I mentioned the coffee, I mentioned the SodaStream for making

00:59:19   your over carbonated water. Forgot to mention that you got to have a clicky keyboard. It

00:59:24   seems inexcusable. How could I forget that?

00:59:26   That's the one I don't have. Which explains where I am.

00:59:31   My wife would love it if I got rid of a couple of these. I'll send one out to you. I actually

00:59:36   do. I'm actually just looking over my shoulder here and I see three spare clicky keyboards.

00:59:43   But the reason I forgot it is I was actually – I was on vacation last week.

00:59:47   I recorded that show with MG while I was on vacation.

00:59:49   So I didn't have my clicky keyboard in front of me.

00:59:52   Out of sight, out of mind.

00:59:54   Out of sight, out of mind.

00:59:55   And without that, if I had the clicky keyboard, I would have remembered it.

00:59:58   That's why you need to have one.

01:00:00   Keep it in your mind.

01:00:01   It's the clicking that reminds you.

01:00:04   So my apologies, though, to anybody who isn't familiar with my three-step theory to internet

01:00:10   success.

01:00:11   And it's going to be a seminar.

01:00:12   this seminar around the country this fall and I'm going to teach you how to make fussy coffee,

01:00:17   how to overcarbonate your own water, and how to type on a clicky keyboard. It's going to be an

01:00:23   all-day seminar coming to a college campus near you. But my apologies to anybody who listened to

01:00:31   last week's show and thought that you could get away with just the coffee in the soda stream.

01:00:35   Tim Cynova Do you ever get an explosion

01:00:37   when you overcarbonate?

01:00:38   Not yet

01:00:40   How many how many whistles do you do?

01:00:42   I I do three. Oh, I do four. I'm up to four. Yeah. Well, I think the gaskets are going bad. I'm not there yet

01:00:49   I'm not thinking the gaskets are going bad on the ceiling on my well, that's what I would think would happen

01:00:54   Yeah, and I burned through I swear that the blog asked on them the plastic tops on the the bottle caps

01:01:01   They got these reusable bottle cups. The plastic tops are getting cracked. Somebody's gonna lose an eye

01:01:06   One of those lids is just going to come flying off.

01:01:11   Right.

01:01:12   When I open one like at the end of the day that I'd made at the beginning of the day,

01:01:15   it is sort of like opening a bottle of champagne.

01:01:17   Yeah.

01:01:18   Makes sense.

01:01:19   It's a very satisfying pop though.

01:01:20   That's really what happened to your hand, right?

01:01:24   Shot my finger off with it.

01:01:26   Soda stream accident.

01:01:28   Soda stream accident.

01:01:31   The other one, it's a technical one.

01:01:32   This is actually a good one.

01:01:34   I actually knew this and I had forgotten about it, but MG and I last week were talking about

01:01:38   Gatekeeper and Mountain Lion and that with the default setting, you can't open an unsigned

01:01:45   app.

01:01:47   And I've noticed a lot of developers, it seems like, you know, not talking about app store

01:01:51   stuff, stuff you download directly from the developer's websites, that a lot of the apps

01:01:55   I've been downloading are already signed with these free, I don't know what you call them,

01:02:00   certificates you get from Apple.

01:02:03   But even if you have one that's not signed, you can open it without changing your Gatekeeper

01:02:12   system-wide preferences.

01:02:13   Did you know about this?

01:02:15   No.

01:02:16   You can just do that one app?

01:02:17   Yeah.

01:02:18   You control-click on the app to get a contextual menu and then choose "Open" from the contextual

01:02:23   menu and it'll just open.

01:02:25   And the thing is –

01:02:26   Just that once or – just that once or it'll stick?

01:02:28   Just once.

01:02:29   Well, no, no.

01:02:30   for that one app and then the system applies the, I'm going to forget the lingo, but it

01:02:37   gives it the credential that says, okay, this is a known good app. This app is known to

01:02:45   be good, so you're all right. Which is a great, great tip because that way you can run Gatekeeper

01:02:51   at the default more secure setting where it only runs signed apps and app store apps.

01:02:57   But if you have other apps that aren't signed, you can open them without diddling the settings.

01:03:01   You just control click on it and choose open.

01:03:03   And I guess the thinking is that nobody's going to do that by accident.

01:03:08   That it's sort of an express.

01:03:10   Anybody who knows about this shortcut, anybody who even knows that contextual menus exist,

01:03:14   if you've done this and choose open, okay, we trust you.

01:03:18   You're not, you know, you don't need to have your hand held on this.

01:03:22   You have the Gatekeeper turned on?

01:03:25   I have it set to Mac App Store and identify developers right now.

01:03:28   Right.

01:03:29   I think everybody should.

01:03:30   Especially once you know about this shortcut.

01:03:32   There's really, you know, unless you're for some odd reason downloading unsigned applications

01:03:37   all day every day, you know, and it proved to be an annoyance.

01:03:41   But I think once you know about this shortcut, there's no reason for anybody not to run it

01:03:46   with the, that's the default setting.

01:03:47   I think it's great.

01:03:49   Did, what's today's the second?

01:03:53   Today's the second?

01:03:55   Today's the second.

01:03:56   Did you talk about the September 12th?

01:04:01   No, I didn't.

01:04:02   Yeah.

01:04:03   No, I didn't mention it.

01:04:04   I don't know what there is to say about that, really, but…

01:04:06   Yeah, I don't really have much to add either.

01:04:07   Seems like it's…

01:04:08   I guess the idea is, iMore, the guys at iMore, they've actually gotten a lot of scoops lately.

01:04:12   They've been doing some good work.

01:04:15   What's our friend's name there?

01:04:16   Rene Ritchie.

01:04:17   Rene Ritchie, yeah.

01:04:18   He's got some good sources.

01:04:20   Anyway, he reported that Apple is going to have an event on the 12th of September.

01:04:25   That's a Wednesday.

01:04:27   Makes sense.

01:04:28   They like Wednesdays and Tuesdays.

01:04:29   The 12th of September, and they're going to announce the new iPhone and the iPad mini.

01:04:35   That's what he says.

01:04:37   And then Jim Dalrymple gave it a yep.

01:04:39   He gave the iPhone part a yep.

01:04:44   He did not pull – I don't know if that was intentional or not, but he pulled the

01:04:49   part about the iPhone and said yep, yep after that.

01:04:51   A close reading of Jim Dalrymple's quote.

01:04:54   Yes, yes, you have – I'm a professional. You have to pay attention.

01:05:00   I have nothing to add on that. I know nothing. Well, I know a lot, but I don't know anything

01:05:06   about any events. Sounds right to me.

01:05:08   Well, some – and then today some Wall Street analyst said – I think it was Sharwu, but

01:05:13   I'm not positive – said, oh, no, but I've heard from parts suppliers they're not shipping

01:05:18   parts until late September.

01:05:19   So.

01:05:20   I don't know.

01:05:21   But yeah, I don't take anything.

01:05:24   I think the iMore story was announcement September 12th goes on sale nine days later.

01:05:30   Which also makes sense because Apple tends to release products on Fridays.

01:05:36   Yeah.

01:05:39   And I think in theory, in general, if they're ready, assuming everything is actually ready

01:05:43   to go, it just makes sense to me that Apple would prefer to do it mid-September than mid-October.

01:05:48   Yeah, I would think so, right. You get much more time before Christmas.

01:05:51   Right. More time before Christmas. Everything, you know. October,

01:05:55   bizarrely, is already a big Christmas buying month. So it's good to have stuff there.

01:06:00   I'm sure that you're not running out in October buying Christmas presents, and I know that I am

01:06:05   not. God, no. What did I just see? It's just so sick. I think I was...

01:06:11   I don't know where it came up, but I know I was talking to our friend Paul

01:06:17   Kefasis of Rogue Amoeba fame about it, and it was literally, it was the beginning of

01:06:22   June. It was the beginning of June, not even the end of June, beginning of June,

01:06:25   and there was a back-to-school sale. Back to school. I mean, I mean, my kid wasn't

01:06:33   even out of school yet. And as a kid, that would make me angry. Oh, but it...

01:06:37   Yeah, anytime, because anytime, you know, you're going through summer and anytime

01:06:40   you see the back-to-school special you know the commercials come on oh it's

01:06:44   so just drive me oh god it's like getting a piece of dog shit in your

01:06:49   newspaper exactly oh it's horrible you just get you're looking for like the

01:06:52   funny pages of the sport yeah and there's a circular and then someone says

01:06:56   hey you're going back to school in a couple weeks and there's a you know a

01:06:59   picture of a 12 year old boy wearing a brand new pair of stiff jeans it's like

01:07:05   Oh, God.

01:07:06   It's just horrible with that kid who's a 12-year-old model for department store circulars, smile

01:07:16   on his face.

01:07:17   I guess that, like the Apple ads, though, is not for the kids.

01:07:23   No, definitely not.

01:07:25   It's for the parents, and the parents are thinking the opposite.

01:07:28   They're thinking, "Good God, I can't wait for this kid to go back to school."

01:07:32   Let's go get him some jeans.

01:07:33   We're going to get you some jeans today, Jimmy.

01:07:38   What?

01:07:40   It's like a month and a half.

01:07:42   Oh, my God. And you know they're buying them two inches too long.

01:07:45   Jimmy will be a different size by the time he goes to school.

01:07:48   Right. And it's like, "Yay, buy that." You've got to buy that.

01:07:50   And then he's wearing flood pants.

01:07:52   Right. Oh, it's terrible.

01:07:55   Getting his ass kicked.

01:07:56   All right. I say we call it a show.

01:07:58   All right.

01:08:00   I think we hit, did we hit it under an hour? I think we might have.

01:08:03   If we do, we win a prize. If we get this showing under an hour, we get a prize.

01:08:07   So keep your eye on the mailbox.

01:08:09   I don't think.

01:08:10   Jon Moltz, thanks for being here. Very nice website dot net.

01:08:15   Is that right? It is dot net.

01:08:16   That is correct. It's both actually. It's dot com and dot net.

01:08:19   Oh, thank god. Very nice. Very nice.