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00:00:45 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► uncomfortable i'm your host Jason Snell [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► it's finally here after many years and [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► many podcasts devoted to a film that had [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► not yet opened and that we had not yet [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► seen it has opened and we have seen it [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► and so in the first of our perhaps [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► endless series of episodes about star [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► wars the force awakens i am joined by [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► three people who with who I've been [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► talking about this film since before it [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► had a name or a director but Dad more'n [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► hello doctors doctors you it's hard to [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► tell the world [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► also joining me of course serenity [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► Caldwell [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► hello droid please people group [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► and uh and also here I wouldn't do this [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► without John siracusa hello [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► you know we start working always don't [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► need a director named they just need a [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► number that's the number for us to hang [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► our hat on a Roman numeral that's all we [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► need [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► where the Roman numerals a long time ago [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► in a galaxy far far away [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► let's ponder how they weren't there not [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► in the movie they're only in the crawl [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► the crawl is written by people who are [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► the crawlers canonical jason i wanna [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► hear another word to crawl [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► yeah but it's not from a galaxy far far [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► away it's the cross for us anyway that [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► is to existential that will be another [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► episode that will do probably next like [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► thursday so anybody have any opening [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► statements [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► John yeah Ren anybody I I'm with the [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► opening statements box is open now who [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► would like to give a statement i will [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► give a statement alright so I my [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► statement is just it's a Star Wars movie [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► guys huh [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► it is a movie without going into details [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► will go and very shortly [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► it is a film that feels like it belongs [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► in the star wars universe [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► it made me feel like I was watching star [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► wars the entire time i had the same [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► stupid grin as i do when i watch the [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► original trilogy it feels it feels like [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► a Star Wars movie and that was the that [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► was my number one criteria going in is [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► that it i wanted it to feel like a star [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► wars we didn't have to be beautiful it [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► didn't have to be perfect but i wanted [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► to have that energy and I on that it has [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► fulfilled i agree i was i was thinking [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► this is sort of people like the prequels [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► are gonna hate this but the first Star [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► Wars movie in 32 years John do you have [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► an opening statement i do I was you know [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► dang go first [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► alright i can do you have anything skin [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► which is a shorter I don't even know why [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► not i like to make mine up on the spot [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► that's that's been the trend lately so [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► now are now i'm doing that's where they [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► got the last get the last spot know you [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► is an instigator of you opening [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► statements you get that you get the [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► coveted findings dieter that's the [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► Bourbon instigator innovators run ashore [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► here whenever got 32 more hours of [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► podcasting do again [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► yep yes that's right away visit the [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► telethon the next 12 hours will be your [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► dance phone and what would you what [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► would you like to say i would like to [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► say that I i really i really enjoyed [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► this movie and I agree that you know for [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► the first time in decades it's a did [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► feel like I was watching a Star Wars [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► what I'm most fascinated by is this as [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► the launchpad for this next this you [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► know latest chapter in the Star Wars [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► franchise saga depending on how you want [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► to call it [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► uh-huh having seen this movie I'm i [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► think there's too many choices which [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► will go into discussing but i think i'm [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► i'm actually really kind of jazz to see [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► what the rest of this trilogy looks like [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► knows [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► yeah they've raised some very [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► interesting things but overall it was [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► fun it's a lot i would argue it might be [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► funnier than any other star wars movie [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► intentionally sorry 99 the prequels [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► which are hilarious but i think it might [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► be the most intentionally funny of a [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► star wars movies which I which is a [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► weird feeling and most of all is weird [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► to go into a brand new Star Wars movie [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► that I've only seen once that was good i [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► don't like that's just a weird feeling [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► you have right now but it's generally a [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► pleasing feeling John take it away huh [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► yep [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► alright so this is just we're recording [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► this one day after seeing this movie for [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► the first time and a very long build-up [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► i wish i was in the theater 24 hours ago [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► right now watching it for the first oh [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► yep summer so it's kind of hard for me [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► to get a handle on in terms of like the [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► grandiose opening statements that I had [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► like prepared for years here and scamper [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► Empire Strikes Back you're never right [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► so just to give this couple head [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► counselor and and i'll give a longer [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► like summary assessment I'm sure we all [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► will of the of the movie at the end sure [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► we've discussed all the spoilers and [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► everything but if you want like a [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► spoiler-free capsule review here's what [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► I'd say the force awakens is a good [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► movie with many small problems [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► none of which over overwhelm it's [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► essential goodness I thought I keep [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► coming back to which doesn't really make [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► any sense but it's stuck in my head is [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► the world is safe for Star Wars movies [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► again huh [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► the force awakens is just you know the [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► opening move it went in what will be a [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► steady stream of new movies in this [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► universe it's respectful of its origins [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► it's competently made it opens far more [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► doors than it closes and it makes me [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► excited about Star Wars again and you [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► could say what more could a star wars [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► fan a score well I could ask for a hell [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► of a lot more but what we got is pretty [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► good and I will love is my life I do [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► have an opening statement but it's [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► actually very similar to John's which is [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► I think I feel like this film had a [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► couple of jobs that had to do because [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► yes it's a work of art in there acting [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► and current crafts that are involved but [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► it's also the first film release from [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► disney after buying Lucasfilm for [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► billions of dollars so it has to do I [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► think two jobs one of the jobs is it [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► needs to feel like Star Wars and make [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► people like Star Wars movies again and [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► make them feel like they did when the [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► original Star Wars movies were were [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► released it needs to have that star wars [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► eNOS about it right and job number two [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► is it needs to set this thing up as an [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► ongoing venture so it needs to look [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► backward and tie into the past but also [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► build up for the future and those are [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► tricky and you do too much one and it's [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► a nostalgia trip and not much more you [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► do too much of the other and you leave [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► maybe the existing fanbase waiting by [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► the door and what I would say about this [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► before we blow this boiler horn is it [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► did both jobs [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► it did the job that needed to do and the [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► result is a movie that was extremely [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► enjoyable I liked it a lot but I'm [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► impressed by the fact that managed to [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► walk that line between being a fan [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► service for the people who love Star [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► Wars know it by heart and leaving the [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► story at a point where you're thinking [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► more about the future than the past for [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► maybe the first time since returned to [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► the Jedi came out so that's my opening [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► statement should we fire off the spoiler [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► horn now for the other moms know what [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► nobody wants to diagnose Oilers let's [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► just pretend we can talk about education [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► more let's talk about that they had no [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► let's talk let's analyze that trailer [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► now that we've seen the movie [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► again trailer conducted do you like that [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► trailer John not inside that trailer was [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► awesome so glad and watching but boy [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► that was a good travel trailer [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► yeah it was it was I can't watch the [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► movie again and help us watch the [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► trailer again it's pretty good pretty [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► good trailer pretty good trail right [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► here it goes were firing up the spoiler [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► horn if you have not seen don't know how [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► this is possible are you listening this [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► force awakens don't listen any further [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► unless you're a bad person who likes [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► spoiler [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► alright Luke Skywalker has vanished [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► luton guy Locker has its and a super [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► excited by the way because that was one [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► of those tidbits that had somehow made [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► its way into my conscience there was all [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► this like where's Luke stop mark hamill [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► tweeted a great picture of him reading [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► USA Today that had like a story where's [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► Luke and it's like him peeking over the [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► paper I i saw that picture and and the [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► how it managed not to spoil me was [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► because I thought the whole like me [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► after I quickly scroll past it was the [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► idea that hey he's not in the poster [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► he's not in the trailer and if you go [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► there holding him back as you know JJ's [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► all about like withholding that's what i [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► thought it was about like oh you're not [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► going to see him to get to see the real [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► movie haha true that's it it's kind of a [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► little bit of both [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► it's not a gets as much teasing as it is [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► actually yeah i think i had heard rumors [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► about the fact that as a character he is [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► supposedly missing at this point in time [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► or maybe I'd stumbled across the legal [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► action and so no idea about that but I [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► love like the the opening of the scroll [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► at how else could you better open the [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► scroll because he is the one most [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► appease the most important character in [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► the Star Wars right right like yeah and [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► and the first sentences he has vanished [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► like well there you got steaks [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► immediately is making and it was it was [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► good from the perspective of feeling [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► like worrying i was going to be spoiled [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► to be like oh that's right up front I [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► feel good [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► quickly learned that much that's great [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► okay we're starting their right and [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► you're already you're already invested [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► in that because you care that looks like [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► our has vanished why would you not you [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► know exactly what is he had three movies [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► and he's like super important [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's much better than some of [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► the other calls and we could talk about [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► know it's great it's the first sensible [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► girl guys you know who's there are no [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► trade disputes in the cross no it'sit's [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► I i was struck by that while we're star [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► afterward Lauren told me that she she [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► had that moment when she was sitting [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► there and I'm sure we all had this at [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► some point in the movie where you're [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► like for her was I don't know what the [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► next words are going to be like as it [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► said episode 7 she's like wow I don't [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► know what's in the crawl which is a and [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► for me it was I don't know what what's [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► going to what we're going to see when [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► the crawl is over and we pan down [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► famously as you doing all the Star Wars [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► movies anymore anything more about the [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► crawl i get to see the infinity that is [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► the first sort of [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► somewhat problematic issue is the the [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► one thing that I feel like this movie [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► doesn't have a good hand on is the like [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► sort of galactic politicals didn't like [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► situation because like there's a [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► republic not politics for you ate it but [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► yeah I need some trade negotiations [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► please no Senate chamber there's a [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► republic but its backing a resistance [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► that is like separately banking areas in [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► the area but it see it that's not really [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► up it ends up being kind of weirdly a [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► point but also not really a point very [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► odd it's a brand-new yeah i mean the [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► movie did not spend a lot of time on it [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► i am sure that there were scenes at some [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► point that were cut but regardless i [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► don't think that it made that much of a [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► difference in the plot it just for those [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► of us who like lots and lots of little [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► world-building tidbits and I cannot [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► believe we're complaining about [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► government after complaining for three [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► episodes about how the prequel focus too [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► much on it [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► I but i think that the amount of hand [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► waving there is actually all right [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► especially I'm trying to put myself back [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► in the mindset of original trilogy right [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► where when we didn't have Empire and we [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► didn't have Jedi as like these are the [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► things that come next and we know about [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► this and I'm like does the does the the [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► political situation makes sense in in a [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► new hope [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► yeah i mean they talked a lot about the [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► Galactic Senate the Senate not being [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► there any more than there are things and [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► there's a Rebel Alliance despite the [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► fact that there's a Senate like there's [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► there's some stuff there that I feel [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► like is not necessarily equally [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► confusing but I don't blame Abrams for [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► glossing over it especially because we [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► got three movies of trade negotiations [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► like we might hear more about the geo [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► political spectrum in the next movie [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► which would be okay or knowing ryan [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► Johnson MHP about characters and like [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► weird dream sequences and I'd be okay [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► with that too i think my point was more [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► than it could have I think it could have [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► been simplified further I'm and that was [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► just adding a third party there with the [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► Republic the first order and the [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► resistance was just kind of a decision [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► for me again not enough to hamper any of [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► my job [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► roll like liking of this movie overall [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► it was just one of those things where I [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► kind of took me out of things [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► yeah my only my only reason for that for [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► for saying oh well it sort of makes [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► sense is there is a point in the movie [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► spoiler horn where the capital of the [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► Republic is theoretically blown up yeah [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► and then that becomes a lot harder to [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► explain if it's just the Republican the [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► first-order fighting each other because [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► that's like well the capital of the [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► Republic was blown up but Prince land [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► and the general and her base was not [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► blown up and there's other stuff but [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► there was the majority of the fleet was [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► blown up but also not this fleet so why [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► why weren't they on that like there [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► there there are potential plot holes [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► there that i think would also be [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► confusing from a different angle the [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► long answer I guess the short answer is [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► they wanted to reset back to like know [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► there's a scary big first order and the [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► tiny bit of scrap long as it's like they [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► said they needed something for the big [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► weapon to hit the Republicans and there [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► is a target which is a problem i think [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► later in the movie the whole Republic [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► it's like well you know we don't explain [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► too much better probably just don't get [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► too attached to their companies because [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► yeah just wait about 55 minutes and then [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► the Republican but but on the other hand [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► if there's no Republic what the hell [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► does a superhit they don't even know at [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► that point where the resistance is like [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► well we know where the Republic planets [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► are we could take them out and so that's [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► that structurally little problem but I [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► think you're right that eventually it's [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► like we wanted we want to reset to [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► scrappy factions because that's more [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► that's more exciting and that's why it [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► kind of doesn't matter [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► um because in the end when you're [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► watching a movie you can revert to star [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► wars terms which is there a storm [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► troopers flying those ships and their [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► bad and then there are the rebels [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► essentially flying be ships and they're [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► good and the other details kind of don't [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► matter even though and perhaps or the [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► business for ancillary materials but I i [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► agree that if you think about it it's a [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► little distracting and the reason that [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► it's still in there is exactly what John [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► said it's like you you need to have [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► something to be threatened and the you [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► know the Alderaan proxy in this story is [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► the the the home planets of the of this [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► of this Republic but i think if you look [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► at the insulating material they talk [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► about a little more the idea that [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► it was a you know after Return of the [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► Jedi the galaxy kind of got carved into [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► where there are places where the Empire [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► sort of still held sway and there are [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► places where the where the Republic kind [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► of took it back over and then the first [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► order is sort of a a a movement that is [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► trying to integrate yeah that's trying [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► to take over [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► you know it's like a it's almost like a [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► dark jedi sith like splinter group [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► trying to reassert the power of the old [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► Empire and so it's kind of a four-party [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► content which is which is super again [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► which is I'm glad that's not you know [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► talked about a lot in the movie yes to [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► my politics i feel like i got done with [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► a sentence or two here there but again [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► fairly minor a pic and I I just think [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► back to some of our earlier podcasts [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► like theorizing what's going to be [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► please see ancillary materials we have [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► provided a pending Tom about like oh [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► well what has happened since like [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► because it's so hard to mop up all that [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► like remaining empire after the death [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► star has gone right like it just give up [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► right and so I i guess i was looking [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► forward to a little bit of that [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► explanation of like what what the hell [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► happened [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► well this isn't about opening more doors [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► than it closes though because like sure [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► when you watch this movie but what my [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► wife said well I thought it as well as [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► like they can have prequel to these [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► groceries [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► yeah and movies are set up for people [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► like this happens after Return of the [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► Jedi it's like yeah but with enough room [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► between where you can have prequels to [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► be like oh I want to see the bottle of [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► the battle of jakku and understand what [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► the whole you know like you can a [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► standalone you can have standalone such [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► and I think that's where a lot of the [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► bad books and comics are sorry seems [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► really in this in this in this open [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► space [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► yes there's a crawl and it has lots of [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► politics in it that are very much like [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► okay politics anyway let's let's move on [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► to the movie and the movie takes us to [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► this a shot of jakku which is a planet [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► where there's a lot of garbage because [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► there was a space battle there a long [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► time ago and the opening shot we get is [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► of a galactic what is it like a Star [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► Destroyer that's a that's a in [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► silhouette and then you see the shit [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► yeah and then you see the ships coming [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► out of it and into the light and that's [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► I thought that was a really clever image [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► that we haven't seen before in these in [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► these star wars it's a very j [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► Abrams image it's similar to the one [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► that's right before the opening credits [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► in Star Trek actually yeah and I don't [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► necessarily think that's a bad thing [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► it's a it's a very different angle that [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► we've got none star was open and crawls [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► before and I'd I was a little thrown out [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► of it I'm like wait a second there are [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► two planets and we're coming from below [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► oh ok it's out it's a nice it's a nice [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► way I think of entering this universe is [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► saying like this is a Star Wars film but [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► also this is very much JJ Abrams is star [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► wars film this is an honor this is your [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► parent star wars hell yeah we're going [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► to we're going to have dimensions guys [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► time for a brief break let me send you a [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► message from our good friends at cards [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► against humanity it is an honor and [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► privilege for us at cards against [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► humanity response to this very special [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► episode of the incomparable at the time [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► of recording we have not actually seen [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► the new Star Wars movie but we want to [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► send our congratulations on a wonderful [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► film that is sure to become an instant [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► classic our condolences on the death of [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► a film franchise that meant so much to [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► us as kids or are middling satisfaction [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► at a safe reboot that met the bare [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► minimum of our own insane expectations [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► we were either impressed the JJ Abrams [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► was able to show us inventive new worlds [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► and characters or we were really [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► disappointed to see Disney strip-mine [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► all the remaining your way out of a [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► bunch of tired old tropes at least the [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► visual effects were either incredible or [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► just okay this movie either made us feel [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► like kids again or ruined our childhoods [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► once and for all but either way we'll be [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► excited to hear about it on the [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► uncomfortable [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► thanks to our friends at cards against [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► humanity gonna say the first of what is [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► a sure to be many controversial [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► statements of offering the prequels in [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► this podcast but i think that vo the [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► opening crawl pan down and next like [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► three to five seconds of film or [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► whatever of the prequels feel more like [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► traditional star wars than this one does [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► after this one is bad but I think you're [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► right that it's like JJ putting his [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► stamp on it but if you like what feels [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► like clip what feels like classic George [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► Lucas traditional star wars the pan down [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► from the opening crawl in episodes 1 2 & [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► 3 100-percent all feel exactly like [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► spike classic traditional rodeo [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► trilogy Star Wars me this one did not [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► feel like that which is not necessarily [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► a bad thing I think is going to be a [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► theme for the entire movie i think it's [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► like that that what I talk about in [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► passing it has to feel like Star Wars is [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► feeling like Star Wars like Ren said [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► like oh this is a Star Wars movie and [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► it's feeling like Star Wars as in it [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► feels like the original trilogy and I [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► don't think it has to work should feel [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► exactly like the original trilogy but it [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► really shows like you know it it it [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► wakes you up and you know the subsequent [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► seeing that we will discuss with you [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► about to say this is star wars but it is [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► not the star wars that you remember it [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► is not going to be yes so tied down to [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► the original trilogy mindset because [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► seriously just go pull up episode 123 [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► and watch the first seven seconds after [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► the crawl [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► they feel so freaking star wars ii those [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► sounds are such great Star Wars movies [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► if you only watch the first yeah [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► then stop and you know reject don't read [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► the chrome just that this part of the [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► crawl [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► yeah initial imagery yeah and i'm not [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► sure but visually speaking that's the [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► most the the strongest thing there's a [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► lot of theaters are dark and you don't [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► get a lot of shadow detail and so I'm [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► not that big a fan of the particular [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► opening shot but that's it's a minor [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► detail i think the opening the other [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► thing it is the opening set piece of you [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► know the stormtroopers and all that [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► stuff again seemingly intentional move [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► away from the way star wars were shot [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► the things you normally see the subject [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► matter we immediately [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► Jason you mentioned earlier like the [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► whole like there's bad guys and good [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► guys [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► these movies immediately go into gray [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► areas that none of the original trilogy [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► touched [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► well the fact that stormtroopers are [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► people with many other people people [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► with Johnson feelings and who are going [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► to eventually be involved in the plot of [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► this movie in a non-trivial way as [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► opposed to being you know either closed [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► or cookie cutter things [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► yeah yep it's really interesting and for [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► he for me this is where the i'm not [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► going to call it necessarily a rewriting [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► but the Limoges to New Hope start [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► because UD even even from the from the [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► very beginning you've got the inversion [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► of the Star Destroyer type type ship and [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► then you immediately go into the hangar [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► with with stormtroopers so instead of [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► seeing the [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► you know the people preparing for a [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► stormtrooper attack we actually get the [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► stormtroopers we get a close-up of a [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► bunch of stormtroopers in a hangar as [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► they're speeding down to the planet's [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► surface which is as you guys are saying [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► it's like it's already such a [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► interesting subversion the idea that oh [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► yeah we're actually going to spend some [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► time with with the troopers on a are [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► like what we're going to spend a [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► micro-level interaction with the dark [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► side and the evil empire / first or [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► because of their I mean there's always [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► been scenes with the darkside folks but [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► it's never been it's never been personal [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► stuff unless it's the empire the emperor [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► and Darth Vader it's always been kind of [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► like yeah the Empire's this big giant [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► glob Oh people and individualizing the [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► very quickly is fascinating especially [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► as we get to jakku at an end of [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► individualizing also the infantry [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► because I feel like an original trilogy [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► you spend some time with characters who [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► had metals on their chests and they had [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► you know minor personality traits and [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► you know boardroom squabbles and brushes [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► with death while talking to Vader and [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► various other things that they made the [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► major string but once you got down to [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► the rank-and-file those movies were not [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► interested in except for maybe did you [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► see the you know those two stormtroopers [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► talking to each other about that [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► whatever-it-was in your spirits and [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► stuff in new help [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► yeah but their droids yeah but this one [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► seems much more interested in making you [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► recognize that you know that that [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► everybody has their reasons even the [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► rank-and-file stormtroopers like that [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► they're so angry at finn later because [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► he's a traitor and that they have lines [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► lines they're not there they are go get [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► blast them you know I mean like they're [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► yeah that they're clearly people with [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► feelings inside these suits and exercise [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► by saying we maybe have a clone army [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► the interesting thing to me this is [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► where I think that the exploration into [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► the universe in the clone wars animated [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► series and rebels actually has paid [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► dividends in the main in the big star [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► wars movies because I feel like clone [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► wars to you know very specific extent [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► got into the lives of [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► on infantry and you know all of that and [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► I it may be there are parts of this [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► movie that actually feel very much like [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► animated series scenes to me and in a [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► great way in a like oh hey we've learned [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► from you know we've learned from our [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► past prequel mistakes and we have a good [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► idea of how to how to shade more gray [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► and how to show more about this world [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► that we have here 24 kind of just [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► glossed over [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► yeah it's kind of a shot across the bow [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► is in some way to make the characters [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► have sort of individual personalities [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► because it is becoming more you know [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► sort of like let's not worry too much [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► about you know clones even though i [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► think i agree that the clone war series [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► does do a fantastic job of turning those [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► individuals into characters you know [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► sort of the prequels never really dwell [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► on that too much and I think also [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► interestingly from the the stormtroopers [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► perspective you know you think back to [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► the original trilogy and even though the [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► stormtroopers as John mentioned like [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► couple times we catch them having [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► conversations or what have you and they [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► seem to be distinct people different [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► with different personalities [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► it's telling that we never really see [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► any without their armor on even when [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► like on Luke knock out the stormtroopers [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► in the four in New Hope and take their [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► armor we don't see like the trust up [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► around troopers right like we don't see [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► faces you know we we have no idea those [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► are always going to be faceless [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► characters and accept while I mean with [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► the exception really up in here like we [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► still don't really see much of my faces [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► but there are different clearly like [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► different characters under the helmets [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► there's men and women which is great [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► nah not just as much like there's a part [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► later we're like a stormtrooper who [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► reports to one of the other Imperials is [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► clearly a woman's voice is the only [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► different body types as well like yeah [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► exactly guys you recognize that guy [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► I recognize that God before with you at [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► the ammo across his chest or whatever [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► yep yeah so I mean that is it is really [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► interesting and it's a good way of [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► distinct like distinguishing itself from [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► both the prequels and the original [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► trilogy is I find this moment that [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► actually reminded me of of the robot [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► chicken star wars where is the robot [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► chicken star wars you know it's all [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► about filling in the gaps between the [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► scenes but things we assume about these [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► movies we've seen so many times and it [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► and and how normal people would react to [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► that and there's a moment like that [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► where [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► kylo Ren is mad that that Ray has [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► escaped and he's smashing up the [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► interrogation room and assume troopers [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► come around the corner and hear the [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► explosion that like slowly back away [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► right oh my god because they're there [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► they're not dumb they're like oh he's [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► having a tantrum we're gonna go they're [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► not you know they're not faceless [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► nameless drones they may have only [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► letters and numbers for their names but [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► they're you know they are still [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► individuals under there and they have to [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► be because Finn one of our main [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► characters is actually a stormtrooper as [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► we as we are about to find out it in my [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► notes here like I was trying to figure [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► out how to break them up by like I had a [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► section that was like good decisions and [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► bad decisions and then I just like I [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► realize that just now down to good bad [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► whatever any of the first bullet point [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► in my good section is the general [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► treatment of all characters as real [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► people and it doesn't just include the [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► bad guys [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► old people are real people young people [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► men women bad guys good guys there are [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► monitoring distance which all complain [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► about in a bit but for the most part the [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► movie is amazingly good at treating [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► everybody as a character maybe not an [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► important character but there's almost [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► nobody here who is categorically [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► pigeonhole let's talk about jakku at [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► night we discover there's a conversation [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► with its maximum Saito and oscar isaac [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► where maximum saito is handing over some [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► information this is in in the the fact [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► that this plot is sort of a remix of a [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► bunch of existing Star Wars plots this [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► is the these are the Death Star plans [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► this is the map to Luke Skywalker and [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► it's being handed over by Max von Sydow [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► who obviously has this this history with [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► with Leia and the resistance and he's [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► got this information and he's passing it [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► on to Oscar Isaac who is powe Dameron [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► her the best pilot in the resistance and [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► he's gonna he and his droid bb-8 are [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► going to take it away and and go back to [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► the resistance [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► except of course the stormtroopers that [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► we just saw taking off they land and [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► abet a big a big battle ensues we get [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► our first view of kylo Ren here who [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► stops a a blaster blast in midair for a [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► while and then when you let go at the [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► end [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► it it continues its path he ends up [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► taking podium ran back with him [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► we also we also meet a storm trooper who [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► gets who sees one of his buddies get [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► killed and the blood from his buddy's [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► hand is on his helmet which helps us [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► identify which stormtrooper it is and he [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► he refuses to participate in the [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► slaughter of the of the village and is [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► obviously very disturbed and and not [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► participating to the point where we're [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► color and actually notices on his way [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► back to to his shuttle [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► yeah i'm interested by that choice [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► because I i wondered at the time you [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► know i think i read very much into that [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► as some sort of possibly force related [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► thing would be and and I I think that's [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► still left kind of unclear as of the end [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► of this movie whether or not that is [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► true but it definitely because they talk [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► a little bit about you know he's thin [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► later on in terms of his like how all [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► the stormtroopers are conditioned and [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► programmed from a very early age he [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► mentioned he was taken away from his his [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► family they never knew them and so [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► you're kind of left wondering like well [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► what why did he make this choice if [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► they're also brainwashing condition like [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► what triggered that in him was just [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► seeing you know one of his his other [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► comrades die or is there something more [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► going on is his first battle he says yes [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► it's not as if you know he's being [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► exposed to this but it's true what makes [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► him different and what is kylo Ren [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► noticing there just his lack of [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► participation or is he noticing [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► something else that is special about [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► thin in that moment because he certainly [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► knows enough to know exactly what his [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► his number his serial number is later [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► when it's revealed that he has helped po [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► escape from the Star Destroyer a [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► significant number incidentally his [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► behavior was noteworthy like it was [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► clear that he wasn't firing and his body [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► language that's why we could identify [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► him when he was too far away for us to [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► see the red things we could identify [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► based on its body language don't think [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► you need to read anything into that it's [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► just yet and also it sit there seems to [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► be a precedent in the first order of [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► like sometimes it doesn't take with the [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► stormtroopers also previously had never [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► had he demonstrated any non-compliant [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► behavior before like it's a thing that [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► they watch for apparently so it's not [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► it's not out of bounds of this would [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► happen that the training would always be [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► a hundred percent so I think everything [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► can be explained in the universe in the [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► with him just being yet another one of [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► those guys that just happened to this [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► guy who had non-compliant problems he [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► was when he was sent down for like [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► reeducation like they have an HR policy [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► on it already like you know sending down [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► with a reconditioning chamber check his [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► weapon and yeah and it's ending boundary [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► condition we can she said he was he was [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► a little more resourceful than the other [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► guys he had a pilot ready for him and he [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► you know he got out and ended up being a [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► thorn in the side because he's you know [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► he's different he's more adventurous [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► than the other guys that said I think [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► you can also make a strong argument that [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► a lot of the events that transpire in [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► this movie happened as things that would [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► be so this is one of the things that I [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► thought was interesting compared to say [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► you know JJ star trek movie right the [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► first star chick movie i remember having [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► complaints about how certain things are [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► too coincidental Kirk crash land on a [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► planet that is the same planet old Spock [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► is on and you know in Star Trek that [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► doesn't always fly because there's such [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► a heavy influence in like science and [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► reason and rationality thought and all [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► where's the star wars you do have the [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► elements of the four so you i feel like [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► there is a potentially compelling [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► argument in that these things are [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► happening to these people for reasons [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► that are being dictated by the forest [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► the fact that they these characters meet [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► each other or the fact that they find [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► the morning fuckin not to jump too far [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► ahead but like the fact that Morsi [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► awakening [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► yeah exactly i think that is exactly the [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► point of this my website that's not how [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► the force works [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► look don't get out of the ship because I [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► everything is because of the force is a [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► great plot device because like its way [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► later we had like flashbacks and flash [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► forwards like that is explicitly [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► explained exactly how the force works [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► all you'll see the past and the future [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► and it's always in motion and it's like [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► all great we can go with that is the the [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► ultimate plot device in any kind of [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► movie it's like free foreshadowing and [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► free backstory but but at some point you [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► have to just say like you know these are [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► just people like a bit there's no the [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► force is not like fate right so I don't [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► worry is you know I mean that just I [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► think that's an open discussion [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► well Finn is an open question we don't [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► know I said I just think in this movie [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► they weren't leaning heavily on any [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► hints to defend really like you can [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► everyone can't be for sensitive you [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► gotta lay off a little bit so we'll see [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► we'll see where the second movie goes [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► it's a good [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► there's a good line here where we're a [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► programmer and says to kylo Ren which [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► one of us talk first who talks to talk [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► first hear that that was the first [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► break-in them in [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► movie like because it when you're [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► starting this movie we got the craw [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► we've got the little thing we've got [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► some serious talk about the map looks [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► Skywalker we're concerned about where [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► Luke is and everything like i should [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► always be royalty right and and then you [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► don't know where you're going with this [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► yet right until they track him down in [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► front of a no-collar endows all these [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► scary things that's cool lots of cool [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► battles and shooting bb-8 go to disco to [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► that very serious that's the first break [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► in like cutting the tension and you know [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► what the first character 22 joke to be [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► snarky do not take a situation seriously [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► to use humor as a defense against a very [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► bad situation which is a tone that is [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► extremely prevalent in the original [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► trilogy and this huge stretches of the [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► prequels that are just straightforward [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► and dour and serious and everyone is [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► talking about plot points and super deep [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► feelings and I was sorry master i forgot [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► you didn't like flying [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► yeah it is but there's also it's also a [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► very modern sensibility as far as humor [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► goes like I felt like this was a kind of [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► wine that you would see on like a like a [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► like a Parks and Recreation speed [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► commerce something like that which is [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► which is fine again I think there's a [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► lot of stuff in this movie that is like [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► well you can't make a movie with you [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► know even if its star wars and there's a [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► certain amount of time listens to it you [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► can't make a movie necessarily with the [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► sensibilities of 1977 or 90 80 that you [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► in 2015 it's just some stuff doesn't fly [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► some stuff does but likey [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► and so I felt like this sense of humor [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► in this is snarky and stuff which is [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► totally consistent but it even if L to [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► leave in a little bit more not quite [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► like break the fourth wall ridiculous in [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► some ways but like and I liked it when I [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► enjoyed it I laughed I I'd like I said [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► up front this is I think the funniest [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► written star wars movie of all of them [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► and so I thought that was a way i did [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► not expect it i think that's the other [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► thing is like it was so snarky and so [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► kind of like self-referential in some [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► ways that it seems surprising and [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► jarring but it was still hilarious but a [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► release tension to me because I was like [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► a like it you know is this going to be [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► like the prequels we're just basically [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► in and it's as one is relying on you [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► because you can be honest the whole [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► moving be awesome like c The Godfather [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► right but you can be honest all movie [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► and just totally blow and so this ad is [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► like yet source is filled with humor [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► like having just watch the original [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► trilogy leading up to this [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► you just reminded of just it'sit's not [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► simpsons level joke per minute but it's [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► like it is not a scene that goes by [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► without one good singer too good singer [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► since you can have just an entire [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► opening sequence with nobody saying that [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► like an end it humanizes the characters [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► in it lets us know that it's not going [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► to be it's not expecting you to be all [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► dark and serious and greedy for the [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► whole thing that these are real people [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► that they're using humor as a defense [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► and that things are things are less [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► formal like they should be less formal [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► did the most formal is the Republican [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► the prequels and then you've got the the [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► rebellion and this is just like leftover [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► chaos and garbage in factions and will [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► be even more informal like it this pilot [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► po of course he would be sarcastic and [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► carefree he's not even really an account [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► of military outfit is is in the [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► resistance which is even more it you [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► know informal then you know a rebel [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► alliance [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► yes he's a roguish pilot for a for a [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► roguish or gonna sage right and some fun [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► backstory for people who have read some [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► of the tie-in novels and that comics is [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► that his parents i believe are both in a [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► comic yeah that's right about shortly [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► after and they're both Rebel Alliance [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► pilots so kid is basically grown up his [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► entire life in let's fight the Rebel [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► Alliance and be crack you know [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► crackerjack pilots ace which is awesome [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► his his character is one of the we [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► talked about you know overall all of [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► these characters having really beautiful [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► kind of defined either arcs or just [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► beings they feel like 3d 3d people and [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► despite the fact Poe dameron's probably [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► in the in this movie the least of our [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► three sort of new main characters but he [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► is instantly recognizable as like okay I [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► know who this person is and very quickly [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► become despite the fact that he has very [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► few lines and very very little scene [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► time he doesn't feel like an archetype [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► he actually feels like a person and and [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► I do think that some of some of the [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► humor and some of the way that he [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► interacts with bb-8 and with other [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► characters really goes a long way into [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► making him a shaded person even though [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► he doesn't have a ton of screen time [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► yeah we get most of his time here [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► where he is that that that lying about [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► who talks first and all that and then we [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► see him in the interrogation where he is [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► he is obviously survived a lot of [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► interrogation already and is kind of [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► mocking kylo Ren about it and you gotta [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► do a better job and then he gets kind of [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► forced and we see him groaning under the [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► strain and then we cut to kylo Ren [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► walking out of the room saying it's in a [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► it's in a droid he got everything that [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► he needs to know out of him so he wasn't [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► able to resist that time for a brief [TS]

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00:38:32 ◼   ► had mentioned like these people being [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► characters not archetypes the one the [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► one danger you have these movies is [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► people trying to do the the mapping oh [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► he's like Han Solo and that was like [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► Luke Skywalker and that's a new Princess [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► Leia and I thought it was a smart [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► decision to intentionally or not resist [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► that straight mapping because you go [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► with poets like oh he's like the Han [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► Solo is the sarcastic you know guy who's [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► making quips and do it but he's not he's [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► so much more like Ernest and bouncy and [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► optimum [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► stick and good-natured that but he's not [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► the looky there because he doesn't have [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► any for stuff and you you know he's a [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► good pilot he's his own person like you [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► keep trying to do the mapping is like [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► what you see more like looky now he's a [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► new character his name is powe this is [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► what he's like and that comes through in [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► his scenes and I felt like a lot of [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► things they did want to emphasize the [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► ways that this is not your new Han Solo [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► proxy this is not your new luck our [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► proxy this is a new person and this is [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► what this person is like this but his [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► droid is like the street is you know [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► like that was some refreshing I think [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► that's a really good way of putting it [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► because I felt like yeah I definitely [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► was trying to do that in my head in some [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► ways it's going along and almost to the [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► point of feeling like well it's almost [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► like a mix and match game but I think [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► you you nailed you hit the nail on the [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► head would be you know these really are [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► ya there are traits within them that are [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► reminiscent of traits that we've know [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► from other Star Wars characters or other [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► characters in general that we have seen [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► in fiction but none of them are cookie [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► cutters of previous character and [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► especially especially him i think he [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► could have been so close but a few [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► scenes that he's in his general like a [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► goofy good-natured optimism is so unlike [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► Han Solo's like cynical worldview that [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► all behind Solis's is just shaken out of [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► him he's just so happy to see that guy [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► he's he's an idealist clearly to write [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► like you mean the fact that he's in the [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► resistance period signifies that even [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► though if he's like if your key [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► resistance crack cases like you should [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► but he's also a do-gooder he's a deputy [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► white American baby [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► he's the new guy in his name is powe [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► we'll just go with the New Republic's [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► best pilot he knows he knows [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► general and by name so it's been kung fu [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► panda kinda yes he's he's pretty great [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► one of the things that I i noticed from [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► that interrogation scene by the way it's [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► very quick and I wonder if there were [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► more shots that had to be taken out for [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► the pg-13 rating but as as ren leaves if [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► you look at this in future and future [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► viewings the entire bottom side of his [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► face is covered in blood and I i imagine [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► that there was at one point of shot of [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► like actually like you know your [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► traditional oh no my mind is being [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► probed blood is coming out of various [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► orifices I'm glad they didn't show that [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► because i feel like it's become kind of [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► a an archetype in turn are [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► but just a trope in terms of that but it [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► but seeing that very quick shot of oh my [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► god his face is completely you know [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► covered in geyser in blood that's oh my [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► god this guy this guy doesn't mess [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► around [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► there's more blood in the first 10 [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► minutes of his movie than probably any [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► of them except for maybe a new hope and [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► then there's not there's not much blood [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► in any of the Star Wars movies I like [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► that they didn't they don't overdo it [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► you know there are a couple scenes [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► especially early on but I feel like it's [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► not it's not like it's not like guys but [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► everything was really that would not [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► feel like a star wars movie right like [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► you know there is a certain amount of [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► its not sanitized but it's colorized [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► let's say the interrogation scene like [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► that is also am basically mechanically [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► sound good competent filmmaking [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► introducing the scary thing that the bad [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► guy can do that will come up more than [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► once in the movie that will become a [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► significant thing you have to become [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► familiar with and also establishes him [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► as a scary president is a force choke [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► him know you just stand there and stare [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► and now he's got the extended handling [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► and I wonder if like that was the actor [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► who came up with that it was in the [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► script like his move is he extends his [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► hand and puts us five fingers in front [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► of his face in a certain way and it [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► physically is like on like pulling the [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► thoughts out of your head and that's [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► that's his thing like I can you know [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► it's kind of like you know an empathetic [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► bond where like I can see what's in your [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► head and I could feel what you're [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► feeling and is using it to you know for [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► evil ends to get information out of them [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► and it works it establishes this is a [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► real thing and he's pretty good at any [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► kind of enjoys it in the super creepy [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► that was all really good and it's not [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► just that one seeing this will this will [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► become important later and it said just [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► good solid storytelling and also to your [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► point earlier about that how not mapping [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► characters obviously this kylo Ren is [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► meant to evoke darth vader and you know [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► that becomes clearer and clearer as we [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► go along but it's also very clear from [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► the beginning that he is not Darth Vader [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► right i mean he's a lot of these things [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► their scenes where he's like crouching [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► down like the way he speaks it is these [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► you know his speech patterns incredibly [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► different much as formalized for reasons [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► that we will discover ya in on the in [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► the the nitrate on jakku at one point [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► when he says to take programmer and with [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► them in the shuttle [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► he's like taking us or something so i [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► totally [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► lost off and I'm like no he's not he's [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► not speaking as Darth Vader when he's [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► not it's not be more with whores voice [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► right god it's like it's very casual a [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► lot of points and he has these moments [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► with a lot of the other characters even [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► interrogation scenes or something [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► working speeches very colonial very fast [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► and that's again it resists that define [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► because he's not the fader you know [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► India the darth vader fan [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► yeah he's a fanboy the key scene with [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► with him is there's a scene where he's [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► brought bad news [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► bye-bye somebody who's wearing his [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► little outfit that's similar to the [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► outfits that the guys who brought Darth [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► Vader bad news right and the guy is [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► totally expecting especially when he [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► turns his lightsaber on totally expected [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► to be chopped in half by kylo Ren and [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► we're expecting him to be chopped in [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► half by kylo Ren and what does he do he [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► has a temper tantrum and smashes up the [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► tables and stuff and then he does choke [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► the guy like 10 asked the well you have [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► any s is there anything else they said [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► well there was a girl to when he chokes [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► him a little bit and then you let him he [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► lets him go [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► so this is not Darth Vader right Darth [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► Vader was just like super cool customer [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► and had it all together when they're [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► just gonna char the HR departments have [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► this fight against joking their [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► employees [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► yeah first order is i still kill [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► employees were they were very valuable [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► you have a new policy on destroying the [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► equipment like maybe a special tantrum [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► room it was like a good shot expensive [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► consoles and you know that's the bridge [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► someone's gotta come in there and fix [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► that no no but he's a bit that's the [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► whole point with him and we learn as we [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► learn more about him have he has he is a [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► well he's a he's a baby [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► he said he has he's a big baby and he [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► has temper tantrums and he's a he's a [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► essentially a child with force powers [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► who is being exploited poorly trained by [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► by a very bad person is exploited badly [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► trained al indulged to do what sort of [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► oil whatever he was he is spoiled and [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► and you know we learn more about that as [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► a ghost but it's very clear from the [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► very beginning that he's you know he [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► doesn't have it together he has he [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► didn't have a nice little tidy office [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► that he goes in with it takes his mask [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► off yes he has he just freaks the hell [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► out and lightsabers up a room from time [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► to time it's not [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► it's really going to New Hope where [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► Vader had sort of a corporate competitor [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► like you know me like really where they [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► were in the boardroom and having [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► arguments and stuff but you know Vader [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► had not yet emerged as the clear top of [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► the pyramid in the Imperial organization [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► until conveniently the rest of them are [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► blowing up and he tumbled away right [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► really helped his career but this one [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► same thing kylo Ren you think well he's [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► the guy with 4th power surely he's in [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► charge but he's got his co-workers [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► always in there undermining into his [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► boss and yeah dirty looks and stuff and [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► it's clear that like you maybe have [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► force powers but like competency wise i [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► mean it's a it's a pretty fair fight [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► here like they're both kind of a little [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► bit young and and fresh and brash but [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► they have and they both have ambitions [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► his ambitions I want to be like Darth [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► video guys ambition is maybe I want to [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► be like Hitler not quite sure what he'll [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► do is don't mess with the weasleys yeah [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► yeah no you know um so before we move on [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► just one a couple quick things about [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► tone and just general set dressing sound [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► on the initial after that anit those [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► initial few shots in space which are [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► very jabe rooms we get these beautiful [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► sets on jakku and this very it feels [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► small in a in a way that star wars [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► movies haven't felt in a long time where [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► I mean I think one of the one of the big [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► downfalls of the prequels and I was [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► thinking about this the more than that [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► after seeing the force awakens for a [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► second time and is you get sort of this [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► these big giant gaping sets like these [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► huge palaces on Naboo you get the [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► Galactic Senate on and even even on [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► Tatooine was like let's do a giant [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► podracing stadium what's not and and [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► with force awakens we're back to these [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► very sort of small it almost intimate [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► sets that feel [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► not not quite real in a in a weird they [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► feel movie real they feel like they are [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► they're almost sets in there almost [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► reality and that really works for me for [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► Star Wars this kind of this this slight [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► off-putting feeling of this isn't a real [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► town or doesn't quite feel like a real [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► town but at the same time it very much [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► sets the scene for what it needs to the [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► fact that when bb-8 roll [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► the way you can see all of this action [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► happening in the background and it just [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► feels so lived in it feels authentic and [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► the fact the fact that there's a you [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► know there's a revamped x-wing that's [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► sitting there and huge and in I don't [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► know there's there's tangible wait to [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► the opening few scenes which i think is [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► is lovely even when they get to the Star [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► Destroyer type on type I ship it still [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► has that sort of weedy lived-in feel on [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► and the other thing in that in that vein [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► is I love i'm not sure ben burtt was [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► holy and charger if he was in charge of [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► sound this go around but the modulation [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► on adam drivers voice for kylo Ren is [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► perfect i love the fact that everything [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► feels compressed they did this wonderful [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► wonderful thing where they essentially [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► just they suck all of the air out of the [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► mix so you have this room tone and then [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► anytime he speaks it's almost like [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► turning on am almost like turning on a [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► calm where there's this little bit of [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► fuzz and then all of a sudden all the [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► room tone goes away and then he has this [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► slightly muffled short clipped speech [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► and it instantly it it's it's a very [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► different as we were talking about [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► earlier it's a very different style than [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► james earl jones it doesn't have the [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► booming i'm on a pretty you know i'm on [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► a dais I am powerful Darth Vader and it [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► and it fits his temper tantrum kind of [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► boy but the the fact that as well he [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► speaking basically all the air just [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► disappears and you just hear these quick [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► little short flip sentences [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► it's every time he speaks it feels [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► almost like a bullet in the scene just [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► Bam Bam he had to send away to later fan [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► com to get that means it worked hard and [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► I'd like because that's that's one of [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► the big great payoffs later when he [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► takes the helmet off the idea like he [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► doesn't need the helmet but his hero [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► Darth Vader had the helmet so he sure as [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► hell want to helmet and he doesn't need [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► something to change his voice product [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► Bader had one so he's going to check out [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► better fan common look at the best [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► modular they have it may be customized [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► it to give him that sinister types and [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► on your right like we had so many recent [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► movies where the bag [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► it was weird voices whether it's Batman [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► with bein or Batman himself or any other [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► movement or someone tries to sound [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► sinister gravely and it's really easy [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► for it to go bad obviously Darth Vader [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► is like the first the canonical like [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► that defined his character they did such [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► a good job with essentially just james [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► earl jones booming voice and heavy [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► breathing in between some little bit of [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► fuzz thrown in and that was it and you [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► can just repeat that but you get a lot [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► of mileage out of the fact that this it [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► in universe in character is someone who [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► idolizes Darth Vader that of course is [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► gonna try to do something like that [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► everything you what you wanted to be [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► understandable and also sinister and I [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► think it's also important that like [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► Darth Vader himself that his out of mask [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► voice differs substantially from his in [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► mask was like when you get you know the [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► helmet comes off in Jedi and and I can [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► talk and you're like oh he sounds so [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► different obviously it's a different guy [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► that picks but even if it's the same [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► accurate and garbage talking through the [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► fuzz and not talking with fuzz helmet [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► off different you know different scene [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► different different vibe entirely yeah [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► and into the point earlier point about [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► CGI and you know like the fact that [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► there's actual tangible stuff here i [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► think that this this takes the right [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► advantage of CGI and uses it in places [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► where it is smart to do so and reduced [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► and provides a better product and then [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► doesn't apply in places where it doesn't [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► need it and we're practical sets and [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► practical effects work much better [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► disagree with a few minor points will [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► get to the bad section i think overall [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► they make good choices on on where to [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► deploy that we're not it's not [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► universally perfect because they you [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► know i would love to have seen some some [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► characters that were more based on [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► puppets but I think unfortunately that's [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► just not the way that that is going [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► right now but it is nice that they the [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► problem as we've all admitted the [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► problem with a lot of the prequels is [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► just the overabundance of CGI every [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► single thing being fulfilled against a [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► blue screen for the most part that is [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► not done here it shows the direction [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► shows the dead that JJ was can talk to [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► actors too so you know even in his first [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► 10 minutes we're looking at something [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► very very different no Emperor said that [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► a a large part of the cgi for the non [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► you know nan nan did like the onset cgi [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► stuff was erasing wires and things that [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► they did a lot of practical stuff and [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► then the cgi was just [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► used to hide the controls for the [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► practical things i would say about this [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► and we should just talk about jakku more [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► generally because otherwise we'll be [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► here until morning i would say this is [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► very cool is a very Star Wars II kind of [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► place and the i say that because it's [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► full of garbage and that is that is star [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► wars to me [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► Star Wars to me like we see raise [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► apartment right where she's living and [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► it's just bullcrap and she's got her [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► x-wing doll x-wing pilot doll and she's [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► got next wing blast helmet that she [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► wears at one point for fun and and it is [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► a and she makes her little kind of bread [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► out of powder and and is grilling her [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► meat on her about her Bochy or whatever [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► and you're like she's surrounded by [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► technology what she does is scavenge [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► technology and yet she's not living in a [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► shiny future [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► she's living in the just the pits in [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► terms of of her her standard of living [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► she's going day-to-day and finding [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► garbage and bringing it back for scraps [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► essentially and then we get the reveal [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► that she's literally living inside a [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► wall of fallen walker that's okay and [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► that is star wars to me is stuff like it [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► the fact and then throughout the jacuzzi [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► scenes right down to the fact that at [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► one point when the the two fighters are [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► chasing the Millennium Falcon and Finn [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► hits one of them and it crashes into the [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► into the sand the scavengers immediately [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► run over to it to pick it up pick it for [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► parts immediately because that's what [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► you do on jakku because it is a garbage [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► planet and the people who are surviving [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► there are subsisting on picking through [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► the wreckage of this space battle that [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► was there 30 years before that's very [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► Star Wars to me [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► speaking of the scale thing that the non [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► kylo Ren said previously this the scale [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► that I think of like the tote to [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► describe it is the even though it's [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► different tone is the blue milk scale [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► their scene in which the scale things [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► that are significant to the scene are at [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► the level of blue milk and there's tons [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► of them here you just mentioned the food [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► preparation thing or even just hanging [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► out of the stall where you figure out [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► where you're going to get for your stuff [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► yeah it is it is a ate a small scale [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► like it's still set it's still an [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► outdoor [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► thing or like you know inside your [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► little hot or whatever but that that i [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► think is a really important part of this [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► movie they spend a lot of time on to [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► their credit establishing ray her life [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► her routine in giving it room to breathe [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► giving it room to see her crawling [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► around the Star Destroyer like you have [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► to spend a year on doesn't have to be a [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► subplot where she runs away from [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► something inside the Star Destroyer she [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► goes into town tries to get the money [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► should bring the thing back she makes [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► her meal sheets it she puts on the [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► helmet like the give that room to [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► breathe to get you to identify with [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► character yes but to give you even a [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► better picture of her life than you ever [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► gotten even Luke swear he's complaining [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► about having to go out to the fields or [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► especially a lifelike as it doesn't [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► there's a lot of dialogue I think she [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► has a pretty lonely life doesn't live [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► with a bunch of the people she doesn't [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► have friends she's not talking about you [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► know being jealous of her friends and [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► and bags went off to the rebellion [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► there's no bigs it's just her and yet [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► she lives in and started for injunction [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► neck and a guy who's really mean to her [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► and weird bread that they probably have [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► in Japan that comes out of the water and [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► so I really love i really love the blue [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► milk scale that entire thing and i love [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► the amount of time a dedicated to what I [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► think it really helped movie yeah i [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► agree let's uh let's talk about Ray [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► before we get to Finn one of our one of [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► our main characters we meet her she's a [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► scavenger she's picking things out of a [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► imperial star destroyer i will say that [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► that is crash i will i'll point out that [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► i believe that's basically a match cut [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► that we see a pole being being taken [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► prisoner and and there on the there on [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► the Star Destroyer in the inn in the [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► launch Bay and then she's in the launch [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► Bay of the destroyed Star Destroyer it's [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► just kind of a nice contrast that [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► they're on one that's working and cheese [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► and the one that is just a piece of [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► garbage on the ground super cool that's [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► pretty nice but she's so so ray when we [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► meet her she's a scavenger [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► she's very she's but she's also marking [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► time on the inside of her a department [TS]