130: The Crushing Unfairness


00:00:00   I'm almost afraid to ask but how are you doing Myke?

00:00:03   I can't actually find a way to answer that question because I'm like do I make a joke?

00:00:11   Do I answer seriously? Do I like say a bunch of things to bleep them out? Like they're the three

00:00:18   options that came to my head but I don't have a good answer for any of them so I guess I just

00:00:23   to answer honestly. Today is... I felt better yesterday, today I don't feel any

00:00:29   better. Because the reason is I have coronavirus in San Jose.

00:00:35   Uh-huh.

00:00:37   Oh yeah because I guess Cortex listeners don't even know, do they?

00:00:41   No, Cortex listeners don't even know.

00:00:43   So, update since the last time, since our last recording. I got a call from Apple and they said

00:00:51   "Hey, we're doing an in-person WWDC

00:00:53   "and would like you to come."

00:00:55   So I was like, "Awesome, I'm gonna achieve a life goal.

00:00:58   "Here we go."

00:00:59   I'm going to my first keynote.

00:01:01   - Literally a dream come true with that, yeah.

00:01:04   - So I then, this was a little less than two weeks

00:01:08   before WWDC, so I had to arrange travel for me and Adina,

00:01:13   which at that kind of period in this economy,

00:01:18   it was very cost prohibitive, but it was like,

00:01:21   well, this is a life goal, this is a dream.

00:01:25   You know, if you're ever gonna spend the money on something,

00:01:27   you spend it on that, right?

00:01:29   - Yep.

00:01:30   - So we made it work, we got out here,

00:01:34   the couple of days leading up to making the trip,

00:01:39   I wasn't feeling too awesome.

00:01:42   I had a little bit of a tickly throat, sore throat.

00:01:45   So I kept testing, as one does,

00:01:48   was fine. Obviously you have to test to come to America anyway but I was doing a bunch of lateral

00:01:54   flow tests at home everything was fine including the morning we left so at 8 50 a.m the day that

00:02:00   we left for San Jose did another test which is an extra test it didn't need that one to fly but I

00:02:06   thought I'm going to keep doing this I want to make sure I was negative. Took the flight

00:02:10   throughout the flight it didn't feel awesome but I never feel great on planes anyway like on a long

00:02:16   hour long flight like this like a long haul 11 hour flight i always get off not feeling too awesome

00:02:21   you know yeah a flight from london to california is not the time to judge how good do i feel and

00:02:28   then arrive in my hotel take another test immediately positive for covered

00:02:35   immediately so this was saturday night hilariously like i looked at the images so it was 8 50 a.m i

00:02:43   I was negative, exactly 8.50 p.m. San Francisco time,

00:02:48   I was positive.

00:02:49   It's just funny that those, the timestamps on those

00:02:52   are both like 8.50, but obviously way more than 12 hours,

00:02:55   right, it's like 20 hours difference.

00:02:57   But in those 20 hours, I went from negative to,

00:03:01   I would say incredibly positive.

00:03:03   So you've done lateral flow tests, right?

00:03:06   The antigen tests.

00:03:07   You know when like you can watch the liquid

00:03:11   kind of like move through the testing field.

00:03:15   As soon as it got to that area, dark red immediately.

00:03:19   And I know other people that have taken tests,

00:03:22   I haven't had COVID yet,

00:03:23   but I know people that have taken tests

00:03:24   or I've read about them or seen them

00:03:26   and it takes 15 minutes, 15 to 30 minutes.

00:03:29   But no, this was like, there's no joke boy,

00:03:31   you've got COVID.

00:03:33   - Yeah, everyone's advice is you have to wait a while

00:03:36   and see if it fills in.

00:03:38   but apparently not for you.

00:03:41   - Why wait?

00:03:42   (laughing)

00:03:45   You know?

00:03:45   - There's enough drama and tension with just the liquid

00:03:49   making it's way up to the sensor.

00:03:50   - That is a good point actually.

00:03:51   That is a good point.

00:03:52   And I'll say, this is one of the worst illnesses

00:03:57   I've ever had.

00:03:59   - Really? Okay.

00:04:00   - I have been very sick.

00:04:01   Like, I've got a little bit right now.

00:04:04   The worst symptom I've had is my chest feels

00:04:07   like it's burning.

00:04:08   That's kind of how I feel right now.

00:04:11   Obviously you can hear I'm stuffed up

00:04:13   and I've been going through periods

00:04:15   of just like extreme lethargy,

00:04:17   like I just can't move.

00:04:19   I've been really messed up.

00:04:20   Now I will say, friend of mine underscore,

00:04:24   Mr. Widgetsmith said to me, I was talking to him,

00:04:27   "Really, it's kind of good that you are this sick

00:04:30   "because if you were just positive

00:04:33   "and weren't sick and missed out on everything,

00:04:36   "you'd be even more upset."

00:04:37   I'm like, you know what, you're right.

00:04:39   If I'm gonna have it under these circumstances,

00:04:42   I kinda wanna feel it, you know?

00:04:45   Like if it's just, if I have absolutely zero symptoms,

00:04:48   but have to pull out of everything,

00:04:50   that would, I think that would hurt more.

00:04:53   - Yeah, I'm not going to disagree with you.

00:04:56   I also feel like in this moment,

00:04:58   whatever you need, man, to feel better.

00:05:02   Like if that helps you feel better.

00:05:04   Right, that's good,

00:05:06   Because I mean, I don't know any of the details.

00:05:10   I just got your instant message

00:05:13   and it was one of the most crushing photos

00:05:16   someone has ever sent me of just your positive test result.

00:05:20   Not because of like, oh, Myke has COVID.

00:05:22   It's just, it's knowing like, I was just messaging you

00:05:26   from my perspective when you were getting on the plane

00:05:29   and then later in the same day, it's like, oh,

00:05:33   you've arrived and now you can't go to any of the things

00:05:38   that you have arrived at and this is the first time

00:05:43   that you got invited out to participate in all the stuff.

00:05:47   It was just, it was just crushing,

00:05:50   like I turned to my wife immediately,

00:05:51   I was like, you will not believe what just happened to Myke.

00:05:54   - I tell you, I had two,

00:05:59   genuinely these are my first two thoughts, right?

00:06:02   There was a bit of a delay between the two of them.

00:06:04   So my first thought was, I was devastated.

00:06:09   I absolutely devastated.

00:06:10   It's one of the worst feelings I've ever experienced

00:06:12   because there was so, you know,

00:06:15   I was gonna be going to Apple Park

00:06:17   and there was a lot of other opportunities

00:06:20   that have had to be gotten rid of,

00:06:22   which I think hurt even more

00:06:25   that we were gonna be doing this week.

00:06:27   And one of the next thoughts that I had was,

00:06:32   at least this is a good story.

00:06:34   Like I got all the way here,

00:06:35   like I'm in a room in San Jose right now.

00:06:38   I have been here for five days now

00:06:42   while everyone is also in this area doing all the things

00:06:46   and seeing each other and living their convention life.

00:06:50   And I have sat here in this frigging room.

00:06:53   I've been recording some shows and stuff, right?

00:06:56   'Cause like people say to me,

00:06:57   and I'm sure people say to me now, and I get it,

00:07:00   They're like, "You shouldn't be doing this, you're sick."

00:07:02   Trust me, I understand that.

00:07:04   But here's the other thing.

00:07:05   What else would I be doing here?

00:07:08   I would just be sitting here for days and days.

00:07:11   Honestly, I've done a show every day.

00:07:13   I've added in an extra show.

00:07:15   I was on Federico and John's show, App Stories,

00:07:18   because I need something to do.

00:07:20   Because otherwise, I came halfway across the world

00:07:25   to do less than I would do if I was at home.

00:07:28   You know, it's just, so like, yeah,

00:07:31   I probably shouldn't be doing it,

00:07:32   but for my mental state, I have to do it,

00:07:36   because otherwise I'd be losing my mind.

00:07:38   - It didn't dawn on me until just now,

00:07:40   but I realized, oh, of course, no one can see you either.

00:07:44   - Yeah. - Like, I've just been,

00:07:45   I've just been thinking, oh, you can't do any

00:07:50   of the Apple events that you were invited to,

00:07:52   but it's, no one can see you.

00:07:55   - No, all my friends are here,

00:07:56   and there's people I haven't seen.

00:07:57   Yesterday, I saw a couple of friends from a very far distance in an outside courtyard.

00:08:03   But that was the first time anyone would want to see me because no one would see me before

00:08:07   now because I could jeopardize their week, right?

00:08:10   Of course, yeah.

00:08:11   But now most of the stuff's done, people were more willing to see me.

00:08:14   But there are people that came in just for like a day or two and I didn't see them.

00:08:18   And you know, it's yeah, it sucks, man.

00:08:22   Yeah, if we had gone together and you had tested positive, I would not see you.

00:08:26   - Well, sorry buddy.

00:08:28   - You're on your own now, friend.

00:08:29   (laughing)

00:08:30   - Yeah, but you are just like,

00:08:32   oh, well you're just gonna be in spaceship hotel room.

00:08:35   That's where you are.

00:08:37   Oh my God, I didn't even, I don't know why.

00:08:39   I kind of just thought at least you'd be hanging out

00:08:41   with other people, but of course not.

00:08:43   Like I don't even know why that was in my head.

00:08:45   Maybe 'cause I couldn't grasp,

00:08:46   I couldn't like face full on

00:08:48   how miserable of a situation you're in.

00:08:50   - I can't even look at it.

00:08:52   - My brain was like, ah, it's fine though.

00:08:54   least he's hanging out with all with all the guys right no no he's not and I'm

00:08:59   still positive I tested this I'm still I'm still very positive like it the test

00:09:03   there's no waiting around you know like that test ready to go I mean like don't

00:09:07   take this the wrong way you sound extraordinarily positive you sound

00:09:11   terrible yeah I can hear it this morning I sound worse today and then I did

00:09:14   yesterday that's for sure like I can hear because my show when I did upgrade

00:09:19   on Monday I sounded more like this when I did connect on Wednesday I wasn't so

00:09:24   congested so it didn't sound as sick. The main issue that I've had which I'm also

00:09:30   experiencing I'm getting confused a little bit sometimes like I don't you

00:09:35   know like I don't know what I'm talking about like I start a sentence I'm like I

00:09:38   don't know where I'm going like that's the thing that I'm feeling more acutely

00:09:41   than normal. Well at least that doesn't impact your work in any way. Yeah no it's

00:09:46   fine there's what do I need to keep track of anything I say you know. What to

00:09:50   say about the rumor in this the only piece of luck is where we're staying

00:09:54   So San Jose, you've been to San Jose,

00:09:59   all the amenities are kind of bad, you know?

00:10:01   Like the hotels are all kind of terrible,

00:10:03   they're all still overpriced

00:10:04   even though there's no (beep) convention.

00:10:06   Like why are all these hotels still so expensive?

00:10:09   Nobody's here, but they're still really expensive.

00:10:13   - That sounds like a hotel cartel is what that sounds like.

00:10:16   - Yeah, it's like I don't understand it, this is so good.

00:10:18   But we booked a room and I always want a room,

00:10:21   I want to make sure I get a desk, right?

00:10:23   like it's important, you know.

00:10:25   So the room we got wasn't the cheapest,

00:10:29   but there were like, it was just like a regular room,

00:10:31   but one of the, like a deluxe room or whatever nonsense,

00:10:34   which just means, oh, it has a desk in it.

00:10:36   And that was like, I think it was like

00:10:37   at the Marriott hotel or something.

00:10:39   And then David and Steven found this

00:10:43   like service departments company.

00:10:45   It's like, it's not like Airbnb,

00:10:48   but it's like, we are a company who owns a bunch

00:10:51   apartments in downtown San Jose and you can just rent them for short stays and

00:10:57   hmm I took a look at it because there was I could see a much bigger desk area

00:11:03   they both there's the desk in the bedroom and there's like a table in the

00:11:08   living room area because it's like a full-on apartment we have a bedroom a

00:11:12   bathroom a kitchen and a big living room and I was looking at that because also

00:11:18   you know we weren't really sure where me and Jason were going to be recording

00:11:21   that one thing we missed, Jason recorded at Apple Park and I recorded from here.

00:11:28   They were going to have us record together at Apple Park which would have

00:11:31   also been really... They built a podcast studio and we were going to be the first ones to use it.

00:11:36   Jason still used it which was good for him but I was here. But we weren't sure

00:11:41   where we were going to record so as I call having a room with like a table and

00:11:46   chairs that might be quite good and also we priced it out and it was cheaper than

00:11:51   the Marriott room that we booked so I was like this is a no-brainer and then it

00:11:56   turns out being the only strike of luck that we've had this week because we've

00:12:01   been able to have room and space from each other yeah because Adina is there

00:12:05   right this is why I've been sleeping with an n95 mask and living my life in

00:12:11   in an N95 mask in this hotel room, which if you have COVID and you are so you're already

00:12:18   struggling to breathe a little bit and you are sleeping in an N95 grade mask, I'll tell

00:12:25   you right now that is a horrible experience.

00:12:28   I don't I literally don't think I could do that.

00:12:32   What else you gonna do though right? You want to protect your partner? Like this is where

00:12:36   This, you know, it's like, there's nothing else we can do.

00:12:38   It's been a horrible week, Gray.

00:12:41   Man.

00:12:42   I mean, I was really hurting the summer, just like flying to Hawaii, wearing the mask.

00:12:47   I think my, my only, my only pro tip there was I realized about

00:12:51   halfway through on the flights.

00:12:52   The Apple max headphones have a nice little ridge in the ear cup.

00:12:57   So you can wear the headphones and put the mask, like hook the

00:13:02   ear cups to the mask itself to take the pressure off of your ears and to make it somewhat more

00:13:08   comfortable.

00:13:09   I don't know if you could sleep with headphones and masks.

00:13:11   I'm trying to work my head around the logistics of that.

00:13:13   I don't think I have the brain capacity.

00:13:15   You have the brain capacity because think about this.

00:13:17   The Apple Max headphones, the big ones that go over your ears, if you - are you wearing

00:13:22   them right now?

00:13:23   I'm wearing them right now, yeah.

00:13:25   So if you feel them, there's where the foam is for the ear cups.

00:13:30   It's like a little ridge of space.

00:13:33   So you can securely wear a mask

00:13:36   and instead of putting it around your ears,

00:13:39   put it around the ear cups of the Max headphones.

00:13:43   And it takes the, like I found for a long period of time,

00:13:46   it was significantly more comfortable

00:13:48   because it takes the pressure off of the back of your ears,

00:13:51   which was rapidly becoming, you know, intolerable

00:13:55   after 12, 13, 14 hours of travel.

00:13:57   - I'm gonna do this on the way home.

00:13:59   - Yeah, so I would recommend giving that a try, but,

00:14:02   how's Adina doing?

00:14:06   Is she okay?

00:14:07   - Yeah, she's fine.

00:14:08   - Okay. - Unbelievably.

00:14:10   I kind of can't balance it out in my brain

00:14:12   how I can be feeling like this, and she's totally fine.

00:14:15   I'm happy though, don't get me wrong.

00:14:18   - Yeah, no, of course.

00:14:20   - You know, you can hear me.

00:14:21   I need someone to look after me, right?

00:14:23   Like I can't do all this on my own.

00:14:25   And so I'm really pleased,

00:14:27   but I also just kind of can't wrap my head around it.

00:14:30   'Cause yeah, it's just so strange.

00:14:33   It's all so strange.

00:14:34   Like, I don't know why it's hitting me as hard as it is.

00:14:38   And I will tell you right now,

00:14:40   I am so thankful to be vaccinated.

00:14:42   My God, because if I feel like this

00:14:45   and my body has a level of protection,

00:14:49   I can't even imagine what this is like if I didn't.

00:14:52   This has been like just a bad week, but I'll go back to it.

00:14:56   It's a great story though, right?

00:14:57   Like in like two years time, you know, we'll be at WWDC.

00:15:02   It's definitely just gonna be like it is right now.

00:15:04   They're never going back to how it was.

00:15:06   I think that's the thing that's been proven this week.

00:15:08   They know how to do it in this hybrid way.

00:15:11   We'll also say, "Oh, do you remember the first one

00:15:13   "when Myke came all the way here and got COVID?"

00:15:16   You know, like it's the story is there.

00:15:18   The story tells itself, you know?

00:15:20   - Yeah, I wonder, I'm sure someone at Apple

00:15:23   could confirm or deny this, but you have to be the person who traveled from the farthest

00:15:33   and tested the most frequently to then not be able to go. There's nobody else who would

00:15:39   have come as far, tested right before they got on the plane, and then immediately tested

00:15:45   positive when they arrived, who came from the other side of the Earth. Like, that has

00:15:49   to just be you.

00:15:50   I do believe I am the only person from the media wing that this happened to.

00:15:55   Now, there was like a thousand developers maybe, is what it looked like.

00:15:59   Oh wow, I didn't realize they brought that many people.

00:16:02   That's still a lot bigger than I thought.

00:16:04   I don't know that number for sure, but if you look at the pictures,

00:16:07   there's so many people that ended up being here.

00:16:11   Like, I've seen people estimate maybe 200 media or a thousand developers.

00:16:15   Boy, that's interesting.

00:16:17   it was not a thousand it's in the real high hundreds like they ended up

00:16:21   converting a huge part of their like they converted their cafeteria in their

00:16:25   outside space into this big seating area where everybody sat and watched the thing

00:16:29   and it was a lot a lot a lot of people that were there. Do you know are the

00:16:33   Apple developers by invitation? Does it work the same way with as with the

00:16:38   media? It's yes and no they had an open kind of like you can apply to come to

00:16:43   event and they sent out the invitations that way but I expect there are also an

00:16:49   element of people that were asked to come as well yeah yeah okay because also

00:16:54   they had like design awards and you kind of have to have the nominees there right

00:16:59   right so I think it was a mixture like WWDC has always been it was a mixture of

00:17:03   lottery and invitation also with the media part it seemed like over a week

00:17:09   period they kept growing because like I got invited and then a few days later

00:17:14   more of my friends got invited and then more and then like it kept felt like

00:17:18   they kept extending the invitations a little bit but from the conversations

00:17:24   that I've had I think I'm the only person who's happened to you know and

00:17:27   Apple be very nice to me they they sent me this like care package of medicines

00:17:32   and like everybody got a goodie bag like which had like a hat and badges and a

00:17:38   they sent it in that, which was nice.

00:17:41   And it was like, they had a nice little note

00:17:42   from Apple PR, which was really sweet.

00:17:44   'Cause I would assume they're just thankful

00:17:48   that I was honest.

00:17:49   - Yeah, I feel like that's a little bit of a

00:17:52   thanks for not infecting everyone basket.

00:17:54   And especially given how terrible you sound.

00:17:58   Yeah, it's like, yeah, thank you for not coming here

00:18:02   and getting your COVID germs all over our sample MacBook Airs

00:18:06   for everyone to handle.

00:18:07   - I wouldn't have been able to do it, right?

00:18:08   like on Monday I wouldn't have been able to get by, but you know.

00:18:11   - I mean, again, my feeling right now is

00:18:15   this will be funny in a year when you're at the next one.

00:18:20   It's not--

00:18:21   - I see the funniness in it now though, right?

00:18:23   Like I'm not laughing about it very often,

00:18:26   but I see that it's funny, right?

00:18:29   Like I can see that.

00:18:30   Just like it's very, it's just the irony of it all really.

00:18:34   You know?

00:18:36   - Yeah.

00:18:36   I finally got everything I wanted and then it got taken away from me in the top hour.

00:18:45   Yeah it's a bit like a granted wish from Majini like, "Oh you just asked for the invitation,

00:18:51   you didn't ask to go."

00:18:52   Oh you just said you wanted to go there, well you're there aren't you? You're in San Jose right?

00:18:58   Yeah I think you could hear laughter in my voice but I know this is what happened

00:19:02   when my brain again just like can't process it fully or just refuses to.

00:19:06   It's like, no, no, it's funny.

00:19:07   It's like, no, it isn't really though.

00:19:10   Like honestly, since you sent me that message,

00:19:13   I don't know, a couple of days ago,

00:19:15   I've just been minding my own business, working on stuff.

00:19:19   And that image of your positive COVID test

00:19:22   just pops into my brain.

00:19:23   And I think, poor Myke, poor, poor Myke.

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00:21:37   (chime)

00:21:38   - Everyone's been so nice, right?

00:21:40   Like it's been an emotional,

00:21:42   it's just been such an emotional time, right?

00:21:45   'Cause I've got like all this stuff that like just so close

00:21:49   I could touch it kind of thing that I've wanted.

00:21:52   And then, so that's what's been emotional.

00:21:56   And then, you know, talking about it

00:21:57   and like sharing how I'm feeling online and stuff.

00:22:01   I was, I wasn't sure what people, how people would react,

00:22:04   you know, like, is it such a strange thing?

00:22:07   But the unbelievable wave of care

00:22:12   that I've gotten from listeners

00:22:15   has just been honestly quite astounding.

00:22:18   Like, I don't think I've ever experienced

00:22:20   something like this before.

00:22:21   Like, which I guess is, kind of shows that people know

00:22:26   what this meant to me, like they understood it

00:22:30   as acutely as me, which is just a nice feeling.

00:22:33   And a lot of tears have been shed this week, man,

00:22:36   I'll tell you.

00:22:38   It's been, it's been a time.

00:22:40   - I think there's a lot of listeners who have listened

00:22:44   to you over many, many shows over many years now

00:22:50   and will know how much it will have meant to you

00:22:53   to go to this thing.

00:22:55   And so can really internalize just the crushing unfairness

00:23:00   of this happening to you of all people who were there.

00:23:06   So yeah, it's very nice to hear that you've been getting

00:23:11   sympathetic messages from all of your various audiences.

00:23:15   Like that's nice to hear.

00:23:16   - But I also had like one of my friends said to me yesterday,

00:23:19   At least you know you're gonna get another invite now.

00:23:22   They're not gonna forget about you.

00:23:25   Here's to next year, Myke.

00:23:31   Oh yeah.

00:23:31   Oh f***ing hell.

00:23:34   We can't get away from it either, right? Like the natural thing is like, okay,

00:23:44   we've got we're done with that part of the show, we'll now move on to other things we

00:23:47   we wanna talk about, but you can't get, listen to me,

00:23:50   you can't get away from this, you know?

00:23:51   - Yeah, no, you sound terrible, and also,

00:23:54   because I've been there, I have this horrible understanding

00:23:58   of sense of place, of, I know what those hotel rooms

00:24:03   are like, I know what it's like being in the city.

00:24:08   Also, I mean, like, going to conferences,

00:24:12   there's a thing about going to conferences

00:24:13   which always makes me feel like, oh God,

00:24:15   the whole world is high school again,

00:24:17   and where you just have this feeling of,

00:24:20   oh, you're in this place and there are all the people around

00:24:24   and there are events going on

00:24:28   and then it becomes this weird social management game.

00:24:31   And there's, I don't know,

00:24:32   there's something great about conferences

00:24:35   because you get to see people,

00:24:36   but I also just acutely feel the awfulness of like,

00:24:40   you know that there are other things going on

00:24:42   and like, ooh, maybe you get invited to those things

00:24:44   and maybe you don't.

00:24:46   And that happens in normal life, but something about the conference environment

00:24:50   just really heightens those feelings and makes everything just feel way worse.

00:24:56   If you're like, "Oh, I'm not at an event where I know a bunch of people are."

00:25:00   And so I just, like I can viscerally feel like Myke in his hotel room.

00:25:07   It's just like high school.

00:25:08   There's the coolest party of the year, but he did get invited, but he can't go.

00:25:14   and like the proximity of everybody being there is just different.

00:25:19   You're not- you don't have the protection of being nine hours off in a time zone

00:25:23   so you're like "oh when you see the tweets it's because they happened nine hours ago"

00:25:27   it's like no no no they're happening right now.

00:25:29   - It's happening now. - It's awful.

00:25:31   Like I had a thing where I open find my friends.

00:25:34   No no no!

00:25:36   - Cause they need to pop out. - Don't even tell me.

00:25:38   They need to pop out to get some stuff and like...

00:25:41   You know San Jose, the streets here aren't amazing.

00:25:45   You just never really feel fully safe

00:25:49   in some of these areas.

00:25:51   Doesn't matter how nice the area is,

00:25:52   like there's just like a,

00:25:54   can be an especially earlier in the morning,

00:25:56   like an element of weirdness here.

00:25:58   And I opened it, find my friends on Monday morning

00:26:01   and got to see everyone moving towards Apple Park, right?

00:26:06   - Oh no.

00:26:07   - There they go, you know.

00:26:09   - Oh, come on.

00:26:10   [Laughter]

00:26:11   Come f***ing on!

00:26:13   Also just in general, San Jose, like San Jose, hey look, you know I'm sure everybody here is lovely and like I don't want to be here.

00:26:25   Like if I was in San Francisco, you know at least I would have like way more options for food delivery and stuff and like there's stuff, we've been fine, but there's stuff I want way more, you know and it's like...

00:26:37   I have nothing bad to say about the residents of San Jose, but I will just agree with you.

00:26:42   Neither did I.

00:26:43   It is an odd conference city.

00:26:49   It both has the infrastructure necessary and also feels like it's completely missing all

00:26:56   of the things.

00:26:58   So yeah, it's just a strange place.

00:27:00   It's a strange place to be.

00:27:01   Also, I know San Jose is the place where I get coronavirus, you know, like I'm 100% positive

00:27:06   been San Jose 100% of the time. I've never been positive in London, you know?

00:27:11   Right, right. It was just a cold in London, but now it's coronavirus in San Jose.

00:27:15   Yeah, look what happened when I came here. Look what you did to me, San Jose.

00:27:18   I used the min- I brought- no, I don't want to talk about it anymore. I brought my Minix

00:27:26   plug.

00:27:27   So how's that WWDC?

00:27:28   We'll get to that in a minute. My plug, I brought my Minix plug. I'm using it.

00:27:33   Oh, okay. Alright, alright. We're moving on.

00:27:36   Yeah, moving on. I brought it. It's great.

00:27:38   You like it?

00:27:39   It's a great little plug. But Apple has one now too.

00:27:42   Yeah, I saw that. I saw that Apple had one.

00:27:44   Which is nice, but I still say the Mini X wins out because it can travel.

00:27:50   Right? It can travel to different locations. And it has the USB-A.

00:27:54   But also it's more powerful. Because the Apple one only goes to 35 watts.

00:27:58   I'm just happy to see Apple do something with two USB-C ports because any pressure that can be put on the more USB-C ports, please train,

00:28:06   I'm happy to have. So I'm glad you liked it. You suggested last time that you saw on Amazon they

00:28:13   had a bigger one that was like a three USB C port and an A one. I did get that while I was in Hawaii

00:28:19   and I've my recommendation is it's fine if you're going to use it in the house but it's not good for

00:28:24   travel. It crosses that boundary of it's it's too big, it's too heavy, and so I'd rather have two of

00:28:30   the little mini x ones to be more flexible also for location than the one big one. So yeah,

00:28:36   I didn't love it as the charger so I'm gonna be sticking with the 2 USB C version of the Mini X

00:28:41   One of the interesting things Apple is doing with theirs is it comes with some versions of the new MacBook Air

00:28:47   Or that if you go for the baseline MacBook Air, it's like a 30 pound increase

00:28:52   but if you buy the

00:28:54   Upgraded one you get it. Well, you get a choice you can even choose between

00:28:58   the 35 watt with two

00:29:01   ports or one 67 watt adapter. I think it's cool to have as an option for your laptop, right? Especially

00:29:09   something like a MacBook Air because

00:29:12   it's the lightest laptop, thinnest laptop, it's the travel laptop as well, it's just the most popular.

00:29:18   But you could imagine you've got one power outlet at an airport, you know, and you plug in your laptop and also plug in your phone.

00:29:24   Like that's the benefit of things like this, these like GAN charges that we've been talking about for the last couple of episodes.

00:29:31   So I'm just happy that they are giving it as an option now, depending on the laptop that you buy. I think it's cool.

00:29:37   Yeah, that is cool. That feels like maybe one of the most

00:29:40   "un-Appley" options that they've ever made available. That just feels very... The choice of power adapters. Yeah, I'm quite...

00:29:47   I'm very surprised by that. This is a new thing though, right? Because with the MacBook Pros,

00:29:51   you can choose to get more powerful ones if you want them. So I like it.

00:29:56   This is part of like their new M,

00:29:58   that Apple Silicon era laptop,

00:29:59   but that person's decisions is like,

00:30:02   one of the options you get is how do you want to charge it?

00:30:04   Because they have this new charging technology, right?

00:30:07   They have like fast charging.

00:30:08   So you can pay more to get the fast charging,

00:30:11   or you can pay more for the added convenience

00:30:13   of two USB-C ports on a thing.

00:30:15   I think it's cool.

00:30:16   It's not like old Apple,

00:30:18   but Apple Silicon Apple seems like

00:30:21   a bit of a different beast.

00:30:22   - Yeah, maybe.

00:30:23   I feel like everyone should go for the two port version,

00:30:26   Like that just feels like such an obvious win.

00:30:28   Like the number of times fast charging

00:30:31   is really going to matter

00:30:32   versus the number of times you want another thing to charge.

00:30:35   Like, yeah, it's like a hundred to one.

00:30:37   - Especially on a MacBook Air, right?

00:30:39   Because with the MacBook Pro,

00:30:41   some of the stuff that you do on the MacBook Pro

00:30:43   just drains the battery faster than you can charge it

00:30:46   'cause that's just the nature of the machine.

00:30:48   But for the vast majority of people buying a MacBook Air,

00:30:52   they're doing like the regular stuff, right?

00:30:56   They're doing regular computer stuff.

00:30:57   Then like, not all of them are bouncing

00:31:00   Final Cut videos or whatever.

00:31:01   So I would say like, you know,

00:31:03   if you want the more powerful one,

00:31:04   otherwise you go for the dual one.

00:31:07   - Yeah, I always think it's funny during the presentations,

00:31:10   I'm always very aware when they talk on the MacBook Air,

00:31:13   they'll bring up Final Cut,

00:31:14   but they never say the word exporting

00:31:17   and they always have some kind of qualifier.

00:31:19   They're like, oh, it's great

00:31:20   for some light final cut editing, right?

00:31:23   But don't render your project on here guys.

00:31:25   Like don't do that.

00:31:26   - This will do better, 'cause they brought on the M2,

00:31:30   they brought in the video encoding stuff

00:31:34   that was in the, I think the M1 Pro,

00:31:36   they brought that onto the M2 chip.

00:31:38   - Yeah, I still wouldn't wanna have to render anything

00:31:40   on a system without a fan, but you know, I mean, maybe, but.

00:31:44   - Oh yeah, yeah, okay.

00:31:45   So it will deal with some stuff, but you're right.

00:31:48   because it won't be able to sustain the long time needed for rendering.

00:31:52   Yeah, I still have such a visceral memory of being in Austin with you,

00:31:57   trying to export a video project while I was in like a co-working place

00:32:02   and just watching the render race against my battery dropping.

00:32:07   And I was like, "Oh, come on computer."

00:32:10   - Man, I'd forgotten this. - I gotta go.

00:32:12   Everyone's having fun at mini golf, but I'm not there, right?

00:32:16   I'm not in any of your mini golf photos because I was watching my battery go 10%, 9% and I

00:32:24   just had to get that project finished.

00:32:26   I can't remember which video it was but I was like "oh my god, please laptop make it"

00:32:31   and it didn't, it's the spoiler of that so I never made it to mini golf.

00:32:35   I remember now that like there was one morning where everybody was surprised because you

00:32:42   published a video.

00:32:43   And we're like, "Hang on a minute, he's here with us, what's he doing?"

00:32:48   Oh man, that's funny.

00:32:50   Yeah, took longer than I expected.

00:32:53   Only render things on laptops that are really built for them is the lesson that I learned

00:32:56   that day.

00:32:57   What do you think about that MacBook Air though?

00:32:59   Like it looks cool, right?

00:33:00   Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:01   It's not a machine for me, obviously, but it looks like a fantastic computer.

00:33:05   I'm also really happy to see that what I think is the vastly more sensible design language

00:33:11   of the squared off edges is spreading.

00:33:14   Again, I'm like, please, I hope they keep this.

00:33:17   Like, I never really loved the thin wedge

00:33:21   of the old Air designs.

00:33:23   Like, I get it, it's cool.

00:33:25   At the time, you could save some space that way, but--

00:33:27   - But they just don't need to do it anymore.

00:33:29   - I'm just happy to see the spread of the square.

00:33:31   - The wedge was a compromise,

00:33:34   'cause they had to keep fans in those machines still.

00:33:38   - Yes, that's right, yes.

00:33:39   Because if you remember, a machine that was not wedge-shaped was the MacBook, right?

00:33:44   That 12-inch MacBook, that wasn't wedge-shaped.

00:33:46   And there was no fan in it, but that machine couldn't handle having no fan in it, right?

00:33:50   Like it just couldn't do it.

00:33:52   But now, with all their Apple Silicon stuff, it just doesn't need it.

00:33:56   This can be incredibly powerful and need no fan.

00:34:00   And so they can just make it super, super thin.

00:34:03   It looks fantastic. I'm excited to see it.

00:34:05   Obviously, I didn't get to see one.

00:34:06   That is one of the other things I missed out on was my very first product hands-on.

00:34:10   Because all of the media got to go and do like a hands-on with the stuff.

00:34:15   Like Phil Schiller was there and Tim Cook was there and like a whole thing.

00:34:18   Right.

00:34:18   And everybody's footage from that room is used silently because it seems

00:34:22   like it must be so incredibly loud.

00:34:24   Yeah.

00:34:24   It's really where all the footage on YouTube is like, no one uses the

00:34:28   audio from whatever that room is.

00:34:30   It must be just a cacophony of everybody's screen.

00:34:33   Give me that.

00:34:33   I want, I want the star lights, right?

00:34:36   That's what's going on over there.

00:34:37   It's like pandemonium.

00:34:39   - But I wanna see this machine.

00:34:40   I wanna understand the thinness and the lightness of it.

00:34:44   I think it could be really nice for my daily computer.

00:34:49   I'm wondering about making my MacBook Pro

00:34:52   my actual recording and editing machine

00:34:54   and anything a MacBook Air is the computer

00:34:57   I take to and from the studio.

00:34:59   - Right, 'cause you're moving the MacBook Pro

00:35:00   back and forth right now is what you're doing?

00:35:02   - Yeah, I take it home and bring it back every day.

00:35:04   - Yeah, no, that seems sensible.

00:35:06   - Like if I travel to record,

00:35:08   I would travel with the MacBook Pro

00:35:10   because then it's all still set up to record on, right?

00:35:13   But this is a consideration I'm having.

00:35:15   As I'm trying to work out, like,

00:35:17   I love my iMac, but it's not powerful enough now.

00:35:20   Like, I should say it is powerful enough,

00:35:23   but I feel the difference between it and my MacBook Pro.

00:35:26   And so like in trying to work out

00:35:28   what I think my future might be, it might be two laptops,

00:35:31   but I haven't decided yet.

00:35:32   - Yeah, I think that's the way to go.

00:35:34   I mean, we've discussed this, but my plan going forward roughly is like have laptops

00:35:39   because they're easier to switch around, they're easier to change their purpose.

00:35:42   And now that Apple's really locked down external display support, including on those iPads,

00:35:47   you might as well keep going with the stuff that's more flexible, especially if you think

00:35:51   things are going to possibly change with your work and office setup.

00:35:54   So yeah, I say, go for it, get your hands on one.

00:35:57   And so then I can come checking out what I can see next.

00:36:01   After you have definitely tested negative.

00:36:03   are coming out here. I don't know, you know, I'm not expecting it.

00:36:08   But look man, like we're recording this now also because I'm

00:36:10   whoosh away again on another trip for like

00:36:13   three weeks, right? So you better be testing negative by the time I come back

00:36:17   and you may very well have your hands on a MacBook Air by the time I next see you.

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00:38:40   Should we talk about WWDC then?

00:38:42   Yeah, let's talk about the big events. WWDC.

00:38:45   I would say my overall feeling is they did a lot more than I expected.

00:38:51   it was a very fast paced presentation with tons of stuff, like really tons of stuff.

00:38:58   And they hit a bunch of things hard and cleared up a bunch of problems that I think people had

00:39:06   or wishes that they had whilst also adding things that you didn't really think you wanted.

00:39:11   That's kind of my like overall feeling of WWDC this year.

00:39:15   I think that honestly, I think this was a bit of a home run year on all sides,

00:39:20   because sometimes they have things that are really good for developers, sometimes they

00:39:24   have things that are really good for consumers, content munchers, but this time I think they

00:39:36   did both because they introduced a bunch of stuff and also said hey there's also an API

00:39:42   or they brought APIs in for things that didn't have APIs before and I think that's what I

00:39:48   I want to see. I want both things. Here's an awesome new feature and here's an immediate

00:39:54   way for developers to take advantage of it. I do wish they completely levelled that playing

00:40:00   field because again Apple have introduced new features, they've introduced APIs, but

00:40:05   Apple's versions of those things can do more than developers can do. I kind of wish that

00:40:09   this, that's the next part I would like to see them do, like true level playing field.

00:40:14   I'm thinking about widgets of interactivity,

00:40:18   or they have these new things called,

00:40:19   it's like this type, this notification thing,

00:40:22   it's called live activities, which can update.

00:40:25   I love it, so like say one of the things they showed

00:40:27   was Uber, right?

00:40:28   You order an Uber, you get like six notifications from Uber,

00:40:31   right, over the period of like, we found you a ride,

00:40:34   it's on its way, they're nearly here, they're at,

00:40:37   but now there would just be one notification

00:40:39   with an animation that gives you all the information

00:40:41   you need during the time period.

00:40:44   So I love that, but Apple's live activities,

00:40:47   like you can press buttons on them.

00:40:49   So like the timer is a live activity

00:40:51   and you can stop the timer that way.

00:40:53   Or the now playing thing is now a live activity

00:40:56   and you can play and pause music,

00:40:58   but developers can't have interactive buttons

00:41:00   on their live activities.

00:41:01   But that's like, I'm getting into the weeds.

00:41:03   Overall, I think this is really great.

00:41:06   So I would like to know what features

00:41:08   jumped out for you specifically.

00:41:10   - Yeah, I mean, it's interesting.

00:41:13   Now that you mention it, I didn't tune into how often they said the word API, but you're

00:41:17   totally right, which is different from previous years.

00:41:20   They were really harping on that as we made this thing.

00:41:23   And also it's an API.

00:41:24   That's a good catch that I didn't tune into.

00:41:27   My overall impression was...

00:41:28   So I ended up watching it twice because I just happened to catch it when it was "live"

00:41:34   and I was watching with my wife and so it wasn't giving it 100% attention.

00:41:39   It felt like it was a little bit of a late year and then I watched it again this morning

00:41:42   like, "Okay, wait a minute. We're gonna do a show on this. Like, let me go through and

00:41:46   actually pay attention." And I feel like, yeah, there was a lot more in it than I thought

00:41:52   when I was first just casually watching. And it felt to me a bit like, sometimes in video

00:41:57   games, they have a release that they just call a "quality of life release," where they're

00:42:02   just trying to make a large number of small things easier and nicer to do. And this felt

00:42:09   a little bit like a mega quality of life release to me of like we have a lot of things that

00:42:16   are just making things smoother. And I actually made the same note as what you just said that

00:42:21   there were a number of times where I felt like, oh, you're fixing a problem that I didn't

00:42:26   even really know that I had. And that live notification thing was one of them like, oh

00:42:32   my god, of course, like when I yeah, when I order food to my house, it's incredibly

00:42:37   annoying to try to leave the app open all the time to have a sense of where's the person,

00:42:43   especially because what we're frequently trying to do is not have doggos alarmed by people

00:42:49   at the door. So we want to try to catch it like at the exact right moment of like, "Okay,

00:42:53   buzz the person into the building before they ring the bell and like open the door before

00:42:58   they get there." So we're always like trying to keep the app open and see exactly where

00:43:03   the person is. And it's like, oh, I don't think it would have ever occurred to me that this is a

00:43:09   perfect solution for the lock screen, but like, great. I love that they did that. And there were

00:43:13   a number of other little things like that where I just thought, oh, I wouldn't have even thought

00:43:16   about this. So yeah, it was an interesting year. What do you think about that new lock screen

00:43:20   design? Yeah, the lock screen was one of them where I think I just hadn't really conceptualized

00:43:26   different lock screens in that way. Yes. I think it's great. I think it's a really good idea. I was

00:43:31   I was extra surprised when it wasn't even just,

00:43:34   oh, you can finally customize your lock screen,

00:43:36   but oh, you can have multiple different ones.

00:43:38   It's like, wow, I can't believe this.

00:43:40   I wouldn't have even thought of asking for it.

00:43:42   This is fantastic.

00:43:43   - Yeah, it's like, it's a weird amalgamation of things.

00:43:47   There's like a little bit of focus in there.

00:43:50   There's a little bit of Apple Watch,

00:43:52   actually quite a lot of Apple Watch in there.

00:43:55   It kind of does feel like they were like,

00:43:56   hey, what if we made the Apple Watch the lock screen?

00:44:00   'cause you've got multiple lock screens/faces,

00:44:05   you've got complications have come,

00:44:07   and also the notification design reminds me of Apple Watch,

00:44:12   like now the notifications are at the bottom

00:44:13   in this like scrolling list,

00:44:15   which reminds me of kind of like,

00:44:17   you know, it's the opposite way,

00:44:20   like that's how Apple Watch has always been

00:44:22   like your most recent is the one at the bottom,

00:44:24   and then it goes up chronologically,

00:44:27   which is the opposite to how it is on the iPhone.

00:44:29   - Yeah, I didn't think about that, yeah.

00:44:30   But now it's like that on the iPhone too.

00:44:32   So like notifications are right down at the bottom,

00:44:34   you've got all your stuff at the top.

00:44:36   And the complications thing, that I'm really excited about.

00:44:39   It very, very clearly, I'm sure you can see it,

00:44:42   but there's also been a ton of like data pulled out

00:44:44   of the releases.

00:44:45   Like there is going to be an Always On Lock screen

00:44:48   on the next iPhone Pro.

00:44:49   And this is part of--

00:44:51   - Oh, I haven't seen any of that,

00:44:53   like what people have dug around in.

00:44:55   So you're saying it's always on green on the next iPhone?

00:44:58   and the complications.

00:45:00   That's why it's complications, not widgets.

00:45:04   They're calling them widgets,

00:45:05   but they're actually complications.

00:45:07   And you can imagine that will just come right over, right?

00:45:10   - Ah, right, because then they can use

00:45:13   all the power saving stuff for the watch.

00:45:16   Oh, clever, clever Apple.

00:45:18   - Yeah, it's very clever, right?

00:45:19   - I didn't think about that, that makes sense.

00:45:21   - Developers have to actually do something.

00:45:23   You can't just, if you have a complication,

00:45:25   it doesn't just show up,

00:45:26   you have to like basically check a box

00:45:28   and it will work, but because they're bigger,

00:45:30   you can also do things that you can't otherwise do.

00:45:34   So, friend of the show, app friend of the show,

00:45:37   Timery is on the Apple Watch now, right?

00:45:40   Which is fantastic and I love it.

00:45:42   But I saw Joe, the developer,

00:45:43   was posting like a complication design for the iPhone,

00:45:47   which is it's physically larger,

00:45:49   so he could show more in it

00:45:51   than he could show on the Apple Watch.

00:45:52   Like a circular one of a running timer in the middle,

00:45:55   which you wouldn't fit on the Apple Watch's display,

00:45:58   but you could fit on this one.

00:46:00   But they're so they're like similar in feel

00:46:02   and you can move your existing ones over,

00:46:04   but because you have more screen real estate,

00:46:06   you can also do some different things with it as well.

00:46:09   So I think that this is really weird and really cool.

00:46:13   And I'm very intrigued because I feel like

00:46:16   I don't spend a ton of time on my lock screen,

00:46:18   but I probably do check in my notifications,

00:46:21   but I don't think about it.

00:46:23   So I'm keen to see like, what does it look like

00:46:26   when I can customize it?

00:46:27   And they're doing all this interesting stuff

00:46:29   with machine learning and the imagery

00:46:30   to like put the time and stuff behind elements on the screen.

00:46:35   They're doing this like really,

00:46:38   they've got some really powerful stuff

00:46:40   going on with this, right?

00:46:41   Because what it looks like

00:46:42   when you look at the images on their website is,

00:46:44   oh, if you take a portrait photo,

00:46:47   that phone knows and it can put the time

00:46:49   behind the person's head, right?

00:46:51   but this also works for images not taken on an iPhone.

00:46:55   - Right, they're doing object detection.

00:46:57   They did the demo in messages with the bulldog,

00:46:59   like, "Oh, we can just pull the bulldog out of this image."

00:47:01   - And I've been doing this,

00:47:03   I would run on an iPad, the beta, it is so good.

00:47:06   You can tap on anything and drag it out of an image.

00:47:10   It's unbelievable.

00:47:11   I've been doing it with people, with objects,

00:47:14   and I mean, I don't know how useful it is,

00:47:16   but it's really funny. (laughs)

00:47:19   It just becomes a funny thing.

00:47:20   you can just like drag a little thing

00:47:22   and text it to your friends.

00:47:23   Like you just pull somebody out of an image.

00:47:25   It's like quite memeable.

00:47:27   Like I don't know how useful it is,

00:47:28   but this is technology that they have created

00:47:31   for something else,

00:47:31   which is for the lock screen stuff probably.

00:47:34   But at the same time, it's like,

00:47:35   oh, well you can also pull people out of images

00:47:37   and send them to people if you want to.

00:47:39   So it's like a fun little thing that they've added.

00:47:41   - Are you saying memes are not useful, Myke?

00:47:42   Is that what you're saying there?

00:47:43   If it's useful for memes, that feels like that's enough.

00:47:47   That's more than enough. - Good point.

00:47:48   Although I do also have a small request here if anybody on the Apple team is listening.

00:47:54   Because I was like, okay, all this machine learning stuff.

00:47:56   It's absolutely amazing.

00:47:57   But you know what always annoys me and I feel like Come on, guys, you have to put this feature

00:48:01   back in.

00:48:02   Because you had it, whatever it is 10 years ago on the old version of photos on the Mac,

00:48:09   I want to be able to not just know like, Oh, this is this breed of this dog in this photo.

00:48:15   And it's like, no, no, no guys, I want face recognition for dogs.

00:48:19   And I know you can do this because you literally used to do it on the old iPhoto where you

00:48:24   could like pick out the family dogs.

00:48:26   And you could say, right, this one is this dog and this one is that dog.

00:48:29   And it's like, I've tried to force the photos to be like, recognize the dogs in my life,

00:48:34   right?

00:48:35   But photos of a dog, I can't, there's no face here.

00:48:38   So I feel like, come on, guys, you have to be able to put this back in.

00:48:42   Dogs are part of the family.

00:48:43   I want dogs faces recognized in photos.

00:48:47   And I feel like if you guys are doing this stuff

00:48:49   where you're like magically pulling objects out of images,

00:48:52   we are way past the point where you can do this again

00:48:56   and better than before.

00:48:57   And it worked just fine before.

00:48:59   So that's my request to the Apple team,

00:49:01   dog faces for your family.

00:49:03   - I never knew this was a thing.

00:49:04   - Yeah, you could force the old photos to do it.

00:49:06   Like you put a circle around the dog

00:49:07   and train it on a bunch of photos.

00:49:09   And it would totally recognize it.

00:49:11   my family we had a couple dogs of the same breed. They could tell them apart so it wasn't like just

00:49:16   recognizing a dog so I want that feature back. That's my request to Apple. The thing that I'm

00:49:21   surprised about through the entire keynote is focus because they did a thing that they never do.

00:49:28   They introduced a feature, they made it better the next year. I know. This usually takes two years

00:49:33   and I understand why. Like I've heard this process explained and I get it they're already working on

00:49:39   on the next version, by the time, you know,

00:49:42   like it's just these are the features

00:49:44   that are left off or whatever.

00:49:45   My only thing that I can assume is,

00:49:47   what they have now in iOS 16 is the full idea for focus.

00:49:52   Right?

00:49:54   That like they got somewhere through the development process

00:49:57   of iOS 15 and they were like, okay,

00:49:59   we need to draw a line and ship the like

00:50:02   minimum viable product here.

00:50:05   And then in iOS 16, we'll follow up

00:50:07   with the rest of the features.

00:50:09   because some of the stuff they've added

00:50:10   is some of the stuff that seems so obvious to us.

00:50:13   Like I was just talking about like the setup process

00:50:16   being too complicated

00:50:17   and they have completely changed the setup process.

00:50:20   It's now kind of like you can opt things in or opt them out,

00:50:23   which is exactly what I wanted, right?

00:50:25   So you can start by saying,

00:50:27   "No one can contact me except these people in apps."

00:50:30   Or you can say, "Everything's fine

00:50:32   except for these people in apps."

00:50:34   Right, so like that's perfect.

00:50:36   That's just what I wanted, right?

00:50:38   So you have that choice and they call it allow and silence.

00:50:42   Like they're the verbs that they use.

00:50:44   So you can allow these things and silence these things.

00:50:47   They've also got like, they've refined the process

00:50:50   to make it easier to set it up.

00:50:52   Like they're trying to make more suggestions.

00:50:54   I hope there'll be better than the last suggestion process

00:50:57   that they made 'cause it was wild.

00:50:59   The lock screen stuff can also tie into focuses.

00:51:03   So you can have a work focus to set both a work home screen

00:51:07   and a work lock screen.

00:51:09   But the thing that I am the most excited about

00:51:11   is the focus filters API.

00:51:14   - Yes, I didn't quite get what they were talking about

00:51:16   in the presentation with this.

00:51:18   This was again one of these moments like,

00:51:19   we have an API for apps,

00:51:21   and I felt like I don't quite understand

00:51:23   what you're aiming for here.

00:51:26   - Well, from my understanding so far,

00:51:28   I still have some sessions to watch,

00:51:29   but from what I've been able to get my head around.

00:51:31   The API is actually for a feature called focus filters.

00:51:35   But what it does is, it's just,

00:51:37   I think it's basically an API that will let you know,

00:51:40   as an application, what focus is somebody in?

00:51:45   And then you can help them interpret that in different ways.

00:51:48   So Apple have put it in Safari and Calendar

00:51:52   and Messages and stuff.

00:51:53   So for example, if you are in your work focus in Safari,

00:51:58   it can show you just your work focus tab groups, right?

00:52:02   So you can hide all your personal tabs,

00:52:04   just your work tabs.

00:52:05   In messages, you can say, these are my work messages,

00:52:09   just show me these.

00:52:10   And then when I'm in personal, like home,

00:52:13   don't show me those.

00:52:14   Same as you can turn on and off mail accounts in mail.

00:52:18   So you can have like your work mail account

00:52:20   and your personal mail account,

00:52:21   and you'll only see the right ones when you need them.

00:52:24   So they've created an API for other people to adopt

00:52:26   to do the same thing.

00:52:28   So for example, let's imagine Slack, right?

00:52:31   You could have personal Slack and work Slack.

00:52:34   And when you're in your home, you don't see the works lack anymore.

00:52:37   Okay.

00:52:37   Okay.

00:52:38   I know that they said something like that in the presentation, but the way you've

00:52:40   just pitched it makes more sense to me.

00:52:42   And this also feels like the very fact that they hit on it twice when I was

00:52:46   watching that section, like I couldn't believe, like, Oh my God, we're doing

00:52:49   focus modes again, I just assumed I'd have to live with this for a few years.

00:52:53   That's interesting because seeing it a second time made me almost feel like,

00:53:00   Is this a bigger deal for Apple than I think it is?

00:53:05   Or like, is this connected to other projects

00:53:09   in a way that's not obvious right now?

00:53:11   Like that kind of makes me feel like it's more.

00:53:16   And with focus filter APIs, I don't know,

00:53:21   it kind of makes, like,

00:53:22   I know I think about this with everything,

00:53:23   but it also just kind of makes me think

00:53:25   of the AR project again.

00:53:27   It's like, here, I think about this

00:53:30   with the David Allen book, Getting Things Done,

00:53:32   which I don't really recommend people read anymore.

00:53:35   And one of the reasons I don't recommend people read it

00:53:37   anymore is because one of the fundamental ideas

00:53:40   in that book of like, you have these different contexts.

00:53:43   The whole world since that book was written

00:53:46   has just collapsed into there's one context

00:53:48   and it's called your computer and your phone.

00:53:50   Like it's just your digital life.

00:53:52   And this focus stuff feels like Apple trying to pull apart

00:53:58   that idea, especially with the APIs like that, that really does add a whole other layer onto it.

00:54:04   And I could see that would be more important if you really are going to have like an omnipresent

00:54:11   device. Yeah, be like, this is the way I need the world now. It can't be everything always.

00:54:19   Maybe it's not for the AR project. Maybe it's something else. But it I definitely have that

00:54:24   like little spidey sense going on. Like this feels like it's more connected to other things.

00:54:30   Being two years in a row end with these APIs? Boy, that's very interesting. I'm going to be

00:54:37   curious to see if it makes it next year. Like the phrase "focus filters" right makes you think

00:54:42   it's just about like taking away or adding things but really developers can use this to interpret

00:54:47   or show their app in whatever way they want right? It gives developers a way to know what

00:54:53   the focus mode is and then they can adapt to that. So like let's imagine I don't know let's say

00:55:01   YouTube right where like they could just show you content related to work or whatever you know what

00:55:07   I mean it's like it's not just about like conversations or whatever like uh Fantastic

00:55:12   Cow for example you could imagine them tying it into their calendar sets. Yeah or like YouTube's

00:55:16   a good example because one of my tricks for working is like for a lot of the stuff that I do

00:55:22   YouTube is really good at research for a video that will be out at some point.

00:55:29   I needed to review some like university level lectures on things and I really was having this

00:55:37   moment on YouTube of like, "My god, isn't the modern world just amazing?" Because like, "Oh,

00:55:42   I can get access to all of this like MIT classes and all of these other universities that just like

00:55:47   put stuff available online for free and here's like some of the world experts talking about a

00:55:51   a thing. I can just watch this guy give an hour and a half long presentation on like

00:55:56   an obscure topic from the comfort of my own home. Amazing! But also it's filled with

00:56:01   cat videos and like all of the YouTube channels that I'm subscribed to for entertainment.

00:56:06   And so I think I started this sort of when I put together the new office but I've made

00:56:12   two separate YouTube accounts. One is on one computer and it is just for research stuff.

00:56:18   it's just for the work. And one on like my personal devices, which is like, oh, here's

00:56:23   all the all the YouTube channels I follow for entertainment. But it's like, it is really

00:56:28   hard though, to keep those things clean and separate 100% of the time. And yeah, it's

00:56:35   like, it's interesting. YouTube is a great example of like, boy, if there could be some

00:56:39   kind of focus context here of, hey, sometimes I'm using YouTube for work, and sometimes

00:56:44   I'm using it for relaxation. And I would like YouTube to be able to know that. That would

00:56:50   be great and could help get around some of the nonsense that I currently need to do with

00:56:57   switching between profiles and trying to remember to switch between profiles. And also because

00:57:02   I don't want to see YouTube ads, having to buy a family sharing program to share with

00:57:08   myself YouTube premium so I don't have ads on both of the things. It's ridiculous. But

00:57:13   But yeah, boy, that is way more interesting than I was thinking it was with the thought

00:57:17   of like other apps can know and all of the possibilities that can be part of that.

00:57:23   Pretty excited about it.

00:57:25   I wasn't expecting it and I'm pretty excited about it because it feels like there is a

00:57:30   lot more possibility available to this feature than before and I agree with you in a way

00:57:35   that's like, what's the full, is this the full story?

00:57:39   What's the full story with this?

00:57:40   Yeah, I'm very curious.

00:57:43   I like it.

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00:59:20   - So you said you're running the beta right now?

00:59:22   - On an iPad, yeah.

00:59:24   - Okay, have you tried out the stage manager?

00:59:27   I'm interested in this.

00:59:28   - This is why I got an iPad Air.

00:59:30   'Cause I don't have an M1 iPad.

00:59:33   - Oh, okay.

00:59:34   - Right, 'cause my iPad Pros are older.

00:59:37   I have like one from 2018, one from 2020.

00:59:41   I haven't updated them.

00:59:42   So now I'm gonna be selling those

00:59:44   and using just this instead for the time being.

00:59:47   There was a rumor as we record today

00:59:49   of a 14 inch iPad coming in 2023.

00:59:53   But I think makes a lot of sense

00:59:54   when you look at what they're doing with stage manager.

00:59:57   I've needed to try this like as soon as I could

00:59:59   and I have and it's very intriguing.

01:00:03   It's very clearly beta one.

01:00:07   Like it's weird, like it does a bunch of really weird things.

01:00:10   And I would say it works so much better in the Magic Keyboard

01:00:15   than it does just trying to operate it all by touch.

01:00:17   Like it really does feel like a pro mode kind of thing

01:00:21   for the iPad.

01:00:22   But I really like it.

01:00:24   In case people aren't aware, it's a new multitasking mode.

01:00:26   It has like now overlapping resizable windows on iOS

01:00:30   and it's also coming to Mac OS too.

01:00:32   It's like a new way to manage windows on Mac OS.

01:00:35   Yeah, they introduced it in a funny way because they introduced it as a Mac OS feature first,

01:00:41   where they're like, "Oh, look, we have this thing called Stage Manager."

01:00:44   And I was watching it and in my brain I'm translating this as, "Oh, okay, this is trying

01:00:51   to be a more user-friendly version of multiple desktops."

01:00:57   And I thought like, "That makes sense."

01:01:00   It just so happens that time I was visiting my family and I taught my mom how to play

01:01:04   magic.

01:01:05   was one other major project, which was teaching my mom how to navigate around multiple desktops.

01:01:12   And like magic, it was one of those things where I thought like, Mom, you'll love this,

01:01:18   but it's going to be a real pain in the butt to figure it out for a while. But like, this

01:01:22   is fantastic. And I got her over that that hump of learning how to use multiple desktops.

01:01:27   And now she, it again is one of these things of like, how have I used computers for this

01:01:31   this long without ever using this feature.

01:01:34   But it is not user friendly at all.

01:01:37   It's not discoverable, it's very easy to feel like

01:01:40   you've lost things with multiple desktops.

01:01:42   - This is spaces, you're talking about spaces, right?

01:01:44   - Yeah, sorry, I feel like this is the old,

01:01:46   like multiple desktops or virtual desktops,

01:01:48   I think is the Linux language,

01:01:50   which has never gotten out of my head

01:01:51   and like just call it spaces in Mac OS.

01:01:54   That's the one for all the people

01:01:55   always trying to get me to come back to Linux.

01:01:58   But.

01:01:59   - Man, those people are just gonna give up,

01:02:01   You know what I mean?

01:02:01   It just feels like, it's just sadness.

01:02:04   You've set yourself up for sadness.

01:02:06   (laughing)

01:02:07   - I have always thought it's a great feature.

01:02:10   And actually, having gone through that experience

01:02:12   with my mom, I was thinking like,

01:02:14   so many people would find this really useful

01:02:17   and they'll never discover it.

01:02:19   Like, should I make a tutorial about this?

01:02:21   And I was kind of toying around with that idea.

01:02:23   And then that's why I was watching them do Stage Manager

01:02:26   on the Mac and thought, okay, this is not for me

01:02:29   because it seems to burn a comical amount

01:02:32   of screen real estate, but I feel like it is a good way

01:02:36   to get people used to this concept of little groups

01:02:40   of things that can be stuck together

01:02:42   like they're in a desktop.

01:02:43   But then when it was revealed like,

01:02:46   "Oh, this is actually an iPad feature,

01:02:48   "we just happened to have brought it to the Mac,"

01:02:51   it was like, "Ah, this makes so much more sense."

01:02:54   - From a presentation perspective,

01:02:56   that was like Galaxy Marine.

01:02:58   - Yeah, that was fantastic.

01:03:00   - Because you got to show how important

01:03:04   and serious this feature is

01:03:06   before bringing it to the iPad, right?

01:03:08   It's like, we think this is a great way to use your Mac,

01:03:13   also your iPad.

01:03:15   That makes it seem like,

01:03:16   oh, this is like a serious feature.

01:03:18   This isn't just like a,

01:03:19   ha ha, we're working out iPad multitasking kind of feature.

01:03:22   Like it adds a level of seriousness to it,

01:03:25   like credibility to it before they showed it on the iPad.

01:03:28   I thought it was really smartly done.

01:03:29   - Yeah, also from a clever stagecraft perspective,

01:03:32   that is a complicated feature.

01:03:34   And so the ability to come back to it later

01:03:38   after you have already seen it

01:03:40   makes it significantly less overwhelming

01:03:42   to explain the fullness of it.

01:03:44   Because then they wanna say,

01:03:45   "Oh, look, you can use this on your iPad

01:03:47   with external monitors."

01:03:48   It's just a very clever stagecraft thing.

01:03:50   If you have something that's really complicated,

01:03:53   come back to it so that the audience feels familiar with it

01:03:56   like, "Oh yes, Stage Manager! I remember that from before!" So yeah, that was really well done,

01:04:02   and it was interesting. I mean, it did make me laugh when I saw them using Final Cut with

01:04:07   Stage Manager and a little square on the Mac. I was like, "There's nobody on Earth who uses

01:04:11   Final Cut, not full screen all the time. You need every inch of that screen space."

01:04:16   And it always makes me smile when they show how their computers look. It's like, Apple just loves

01:04:23   to burn screen real estate in all of their little demos. Like nobody uses things full screen,

01:04:28   nobody tiles their windows, everybody just has a little document floating in the middle of their

01:04:32   beautiful wallpaper. But that is why I wanted to ask you, what is the experience of using it on

01:04:39   the iPad? Because I can imagine that you don't have the option on the iPad to maybe try to

01:04:46   to stretch everything to take up the full space.

01:04:49   So it's like, how does it feel?

01:04:51   Does it feel wasteful on the iPad?

01:04:54   Or like, do you think this is like a good way

01:04:56   to use the iPad for their third go

01:04:59   at iPad multitasking now?

01:05:01   - This is the first time they got it right, I think.

01:05:04   Like, this is the future foundation of working on the iPad.

01:05:09   Like, it is odd in places, right?

01:05:13   like the system is trying to do a lot of the like,

01:05:17   where these windows go for you.

01:05:19   Like they're trying to be smart about it,

01:05:21   maybe in a way where I don't know if it's necessary,

01:05:24   but the level of flexibility that you have

01:05:27   is vastly better than what you've had before.

01:05:29   Like I put a image in our show notes

01:05:33   of how I was preparing for the show last night.

01:05:35   I was using it in portrait at that time,

01:05:37   'cause I was just holding onto the iPad.

01:05:39   And I had the bottom half of the screen had Google docs.

01:05:42   and on the top half of the screen,

01:05:44   I had a Safari window with a Notes window

01:05:47   just peeking underneath it.

01:05:49   So I would tap into Notes, tap the link,

01:05:51   it would just open in Safari,

01:05:52   nothing's flying around the screen,

01:05:55   and I could read one and put notes in the other.

01:05:57   And I really like that, because I could also have,

01:06:01   I could have four windows on there if I wanted to.

01:06:03   And I'm sure it's even better on the bigger iPad you go,

01:06:06   I'm sure it works even better.

01:06:07   But there's things you can do where like,

01:06:09   you can see in portrait mode,

01:06:11   You don't see the, they call it the stage on the side,

01:06:15   it shows you the app things, right?

01:06:17   With the little visual parts of the app.

01:06:19   You could also choose to hide that

01:06:21   so you get more screen real estate.

01:06:23   - And what does it come back with a swipe

01:06:24   from the side or something?

01:06:25   Like how do you then switch between different stages?

01:06:28   - By just tapping icons on the dock.

01:06:30   It's like you just tap, it just takes you to the stage

01:06:32   that has the app that you're looking for on.

01:06:35   Kind of how like if you were in spaces,

01:06:37   if you just tap an icon on the dock,

01:06:39   it just takes you to the space that that app is on.

01:06:42   - Right, okay. - Right?

01:06:43   - That makes sense.

01:06:44   - But also you can grab the little selector,

01:06:47   like the resizing thing,

01:06:49   and just pull any app full screen,

01:06:51   and then pull it back again,

01:06:53   and it takes you back to the stage that it was on before.

01:06:57   So it's very flexible.

01:06:59   Like you can resize apps kind of freely,

01:07:02   and you can also, if you need to,

01:07:03   you wanna focus on something,

01:07:05   you can just make that app full screen.

01:07:07   You can also,

01:07:07   tap on the little three dot indicator, there's a button to just take an app full screen.

01:07:12   So like it's very like you can go in and out depending on what you need at any one time.

01:07:18   I think it's actually really great. I actually also think I would use this on the Mac because

01:07:22   I am a spaces person. But for me to really use spaces the way that I would want, I would

01:07:28   have to have like six spaces and it's just too much sliding backwards and forwards. But

01:07:34   would give me that I think way easier so I'm looking forward to trying it out

01:07:38   with Mac OS as well in the future but for the iPad I'm like yeah this is this

01:07:43   is vastly better than what they've had before is it perfect no it is not

01:07:49   perfect but we've got a whole beta cycle for it to get better but the the just

01:07:54   the basic core idea that they're working on here so much better than the split

01:07:59   screen with slide over it really is like I'm gonna already see it it's just

01:08:03   vastly better already. It feels more natural, I think.

01:08:07   Huh, yeah, that's interesting. I think even

01:08:11   just seeing your vertical screenshot of working on the iPad, getting ready for the show,

01:08:15   it's also funny, it never dawned on me about how

01:08:19   I don't ever, ever use multitasking in

01:08:23   portrait mode, because it's just too annoying, because everything's vertical thin

01:08:27   strips, but being able to have two horizontal windows

01:08:31   one over the other so much better.

01:08:34   Yeah, it was great.

01:08:35   So like I like that already.

01:08:36   And also there's no a setting like a display zooming setting which I've turned on so I have more space on my iPad too.

01:08:44   So this is the high space mode?

01:08:46   Yeah.

01:08:47   So it's made this 11 feel more like a 12.9.

01:08:51   Right. And so the 12.9 will feel more like the 14 and the 14 will feel like a 21.

01:08:56   16 or whatever.

01:08:57   45. You can't read anything.

01:09:00   Look, all I think, ooh, gigantic iPad. That'll be great for magic.

01:09:07   Of course, we haven't even mentioned external display support for external display support

01:09:15   with stage manager.

01:09:16   Yeah, that looks that look cool. I was wondering if you could do it with the iPad like in clamshell

01:09:20   mode. I was just kind of curious if I haven't known I haven't seen anyone try that yet,

01:09:23   which makes me think you probably can't.

01:09:25   That's my guess, because I played around when they first did the display mirroring with

01:09:29   putting the iPad on the external display.

01:09:32   It is terrible.

01:09:33   You would never really want to use a device like that.

01:09:36   My only asterisk though is just in the way that iPad is not quite the same as Mac OS.

01:09:45   For some tasks it is kind of nice to be forced to focus more clearly on one thing.

01:09:53   Because Stage Manager will do that for you too though, right?

01:09:55   Yeah, I guess so.

01:09:56   It's also very flexible, so you can, when you plug in a display, you can use the iPad in the old mode,

01:10:02   like the split screen, and the external display can be Stage Manager.

01:10:07   Hmm, that's interesting.

01:10:08   I know what your thoughts are on this, or if you've heard anything, but like,

01:10:12   but looking at Stage Manager, it does, I feel like it does bring back that question of,

01:10:20   So why are there these two different platforms?

01:10:25   It just makes me wonder again about eventual unification of the iPad and the laptop.

01:10:33   This, more than anything else, especially if it really catches on,

01:10:38   like let's say Stage Manager turns out to be a very popular feature on the Mac,

01:10:42   it really starts to be like, "So wait, what's the difference between these two things again?"

01:10:48   - See, I actually think, I know where you're going,

01:10:51   I see where you're going.

01:10:52   I think that what we have here is more of what it is.

01:10:56   Like the iPad is the middle platform.

01:10:59   It has the elements of working on the Mac,

01:11:02   but with the apps that are on the iPhone.

01:11:04   - Yeah, but at the end of the presentation,

01:11:06   they had this whole big, like,

01:11:07   we're bringing everything from the desktop we can

01:11:09   to the iPad section.

01:11:11   - Desktop club.

01:11:11   - I actually thought that was great

01:11:13   because this is something, like a little friction point

01:11:16   that I run into constantly while doing family tech support.

01:11:18   It's like they even just mentioned like a couple of features

01:11:20   like in the contact book, but it's always like,

01:11:22   "Oh, why can't I merge contacts on my iPad?

01:11:25   "I have to go onto my computer."

01:11:26   And it's like, "Oh, I don't know why.

01:11:28   "You should be able to."

01:11:29   So when they were zooming through this list of like,

01:11:31   "Here's all the stuff that we found

01:11:33   "that we're trying to put in both places."

01:11:35   That is what really made it feel like,

01:11:37   so what's the difference again?

01:11:40   - You've just reminded me, this is the best thing ever.

01:11:42   - What?

01:11:43   - I've just opened contacts on my iPad.

01:11:45   and it will let me merge duplicates.

01:11:47   It's automatically found the 378 duplicate contacts I have

01:11:51   because iCloud has multiple times duplicated

01:11:54   my entire contact book, I don't know why.

01:11:56   And it just says,

01:11:57   would you like to merge all these duplicates?

01:11:59   - Yes.

01:12:00   - Oh my God, yes, I would like to do that.

01:12:02   - That's amazing.

01:12:04   - So yeah, it is stuff like that too, right?

01:12:06   Which I also like big respect for,

01:12:09   'cause fricking finally, but like not,

01:12:11   this is one of those things that's on a wishlist

01:12:13   of everyone of like,

01:12:14   Everyone has that little thing, right?

01:12:16   That iPad just doesn't do.

01:12:19   And now they bring in more and more

01:12:21   and more of these features.

01:12:22   It feels like basically they just did an audit, right?

01:12:26   And they were like, "Oh, my app doesn't do this.

01:12:28   My app doesn't do this.

01:12:29   All right, we'll do all of it."

01:12:30   I would love to see the full list.

01:12:32   - Yeah, someone let me know if smart albums

01:12:35   for iPhoto is on that list

01:12:38   because that has always been my big annoyance is

01:12:42   I've made some smart albums in iPhoto to try to help me cull through and like filter and

01:12:47   just like keep the photos that I want.

01:12:48   And so I've made some smart albums to like help do that automatically so I can tag like,

01:12:52   "Oh yes, this photo is actually done.

01:12:54   Let me get rid of all the other ones."

01:12:56   But of course, the best time to do that is when you're casually on the couch just flipping

01:13:00   through photos.

01:13:01   But smart albums have never transferred over from the Mac to iPhoto, which I've just I've

01:13:08   just never understood why.

01:13:09   And that's one of my like, "Why can the computer do this and the iPad can't do this?"

01:13:15   Smart Albums in iPhoto on the iPad is like the optimal place to look at photos.

01:13:20   I've always found it incredibly annoying.

01:13:21   So I would love to know if that one made the list of we're trying to make everything consistent

01:13:27   everywhere.

01:13:28   I can't say I've seen it, my friend.

01:13:29   I'm sorry to tell you.

01:13:33   We can always hope that it gets on that list.

01:13:35   It's still beta season, right?

01:13:36   That's always the futile hope of beta season.

01:13:38   and maybe they'll add the things I want.

01:13:40   They're gonna add smart photos in beta 3, yeah, for sure.

01:13:44   Yeah, because as we all know from every beta year,

01:13:47   they're always adding stuff, for sure.

01:13:49   - Like lots of stuff gets added. - They can't stop.

01:13:52   There, I will say on that note,

01:13:53   there is a bunch of stuff that's just not in beta 1,

01:13:56   like that they're saying is coming,

01:13:58   like there's this one thing where like opening additional windows

01:14:01   of an app inside of stage manager,

01:14:03   a little thing pops up and it's like,

01:14:05   "Coming later! Leave us alone!"

01:14:07   It's really funny.

01:14:09   And also just in general, this presentation had a lot more

01:14:13   of coming later this year than they've done in the past,

01:14:16   which honestly I respect because over the last few years,

01:14:19   they announced a bunch of stuff and it just doesn't ship

01:14:22   until like the end of the year.

01:14:24   And I just think it would be easier for everyone

01:14:26   if they just in advance decided on a bunch of those features

01:14:30   like there'll just be a bunch of stuff

01:14:32   that we're not even gonna try and ship until later on.

01:14:35   Honestly, I wish they would rebrand the whole thing as a roadmap, not as a OS release.

01:14:42   I wish I could remember which version of Mac OS it was, but I remember for one of them,

01:14:48   they made a big deal about, "Oh, we're not going to come out with Mac OS on a random

01:14:54   schedule.

01:14:55   Like we're going to have one every year, so you can count on it."

01:14:58   And I remember thinking, "I don't like the sound of this at all."

01:15:01   I mean, of course that goes with my whole philosophy of like forced deadlines,

01:15:06   encourage you to rush and do things poorly. So I've just,

01:15:10   I have never loved, Oh,

01:15:12   we're going to have a new version of all the operating systems every year,

01:15:15   and it's going to be out on this particular time. So like, I'm,

01:15:18   I'm very happy to see them explicitly saying some stuff is coming later,

01:15:22   but I really wish they would just rebrand the whole thing and say like, Hey,

01:15:26   this is what we're working on at Apple.

01:15:29   And this is what you can expect to see over the next year or two.

01:15:34   And like, just say that every year so it's perfectly fine to be like,

01:15:38   "This is the stuff that we're working on."

01:15:40   And have the WWDC until release time just be for developers for whatever, like,

01:15:47   THE major things are that you want to be able to have for the new phone.

01:15:52   And just like, roll stuff out more slowly over the rest of the year.

01:15:55   And like, don't hold yourself to these weird deadlines.

01:15:59   So like again, don't get me wrong.

01:16:00   I am happy to see it, but I would wish they would,

01:16:03   I wish they would do even more of that.

01:16:05   Just say it's a roadmap presentation

01:16:07   and let's do that every year.

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01:17:58   They did mail.

01:18:00   They did mail.

01:18:01   Can you believe it?

01:18:03   They did stuff to - they touched it.

01:18:05   They did things to mail.

01:18:08   [LAUGHTER]

01:18:10   Honestly, when they said something like,

01:18:12   "Oh, and now we're talking about our most used communication app."

01:18:15   And I actually had the thought in my head,

01:18:20   "What is there other than messages?"

01:18:22   messages. Like I didn't even think of mail. It didn't even occur to me that they might

01:18:26   talk about mail in the presentation. But yeah, it was like, oh my god, someone's working

01:18:31   on mail? That's amazing.

01:18:34   Undo Send, Reminders, which is also snoozing, Scheduling Send, Follow-Up Reminders, and Search

01:18:42   Improvements. Unbelievable. I genuinely, it's like, oh, so you did it then? Like you, you

01:18:49   did the bare like table stakes on a modern email app.

01:18:52   They've done it.

01:18:53   And this is, I'll tell you what,

01:18:54   this fills me with hope for people that use mail

01:18:57   because what this feels like to me

01:18:59   is when they did notes and when they did reminders.

01:19:03   It's like, we're going to make this app

01:19:06   what you expect from an app like this now

01:19:09   and then we're gonna keep working on it

01:19:10   because notes and reminders,

01:19:12   reminders especially got more stuff this year.

01:19:15   I'm actually looking at reminders, Gray.

01:19:16   I'm thinking I might give it another run this year

01:19:18   instead of todoist.

01:19:20   - Oh, interesting.

01:19:21   - There were some things that bugged me that they've added.

01:19:22   Like you can now, you know, you get like those four boxes

01:19:25   at the top with their like smart lists.

01:19:28   You can now move your own lists into that section

01:19:31   and remove theirs.

01:19:32   - Oh, oh yeah, that is nice.

01:19:34   - Just a simple little thing.

01:19:35   But something that we're gonna get a big kick out of

01:19:38   is you can create templates.

01:19:39   I'm very excited about that.

01:19:42   I'm gonna give reminders another try, I think,

01:19:44   over the beta period.

01:19:46   When I put the beta on my iPhone,

01:19:48   which will probably be in like a month or something.

01:19:50   - But it's funny,

01:19:51   I feel like I must have had presentation blindness.

01:19:52   I completely missed everything about reminders.

01:19:54   I don't even remember them talking about it.

01:19:56   - I don't know if they did.

01:19:57   - Oh, okay, all right.

01:19:58   Now I feel better.

01:19:59   I was like, when the heck did they talk about reminders?

01:20:01   I don't remember that at all.

01:20:02   - I think this was the stuff that came afterwards.

01:20:03   I don't remember them talking about it.

01:20:06   - Okay, all right.

01:20:07   And then now I feel better, thank you.

01:20:08   - You can't trust my memory at the moment.

01:20:10   (laughing)

01:20:12   - Myke, you're Mr. WWDC, right?

01:20:15   been living and breathing WWDC this entire time. I'm relying on you for 100% accurate information

01:20:22   on absolutely everything. The other app that I was like, "Oh my god, they've touched it," which I was

01:20:27   so happy about was the Home app. Oh my god, yes. This was one of my top top like, please do this.

01:20:36   I know. I wrote down the exact quote because I really, I really love this. The presenter came

01:20:41   out and she said, "We've re-imagined the home app from the ground up, starting with the underlying

01:20:47   architecture." Which to me translates as, "We trashed the entire thing and started over."

01:20:53   But it's the perfect time to do that.

01:20:55   Thank you.

01:20:55   Because of this matter standard, it is the time to like, from the beginning, let's focus on

01:21:00   reliability and then just like, understand now that people have a lot of smart devices. And if

01:21:06   And if you have smart devices in multiple rooms, the Home app is an absolute chore to

01:21:12   try it.

01:21:13   Like if you want to turn off the light in the living room and you have to go like swipe,

01:21:17   swipe.

01:21:18   So I, unless you've decided to already set it up as a, it's stupid.

01:21:22   And now it's like everything on one page, filters and like little buttons.

01:21:26   I love it.

01:21:27   I've been playing around with it on my iPad.

01:21:30   It's fantastic.

01:21:31   It's a fantastic design that they've come up with now.

01:21:34   Having done anything is just thrilling.

01:21:37   I'm gonna say, I don't know, for the last several years, the Home app is definitely

01:21:42   in the contender for worst app that Apple makes.

01:21:46   It was just awful.

01:21:48   It was so unreliable.

01:21:50   Again, when I was with my parents, they have a bunch of smart lights and smart things in

01:21:55   the house.

01:21:56   And I cannot tell you how maddening the debugging is of trying to deal with anything with the

01:22:02   Home app.

01:22:03   Joe, I spent two months trying to get the lights in front of their garage to turn on

01:22:13   before sunset and to turn off after sunset.

01:22:18   And it's like, even my parents were cranking up at a certain point of like,

01:22:22   how maddening this was of like, "Oh, sometimes they work.

01:22:25   Sometimes they don't."

01:22:26   When I'm trying to debug them, sometimes I can communicate with one

01:22:30   of the lights, sometimes I can't.

01:22:31   I was even out there like checking the Wi-Fi signal.

01:22:34   It's like, is one of these out of range of them?

01:22:35   No, no, there's no problem.

01:22:37   It's just, this was like a terrible buggy mess

01:22:40   and everything in the home app was like that.

01:22:42   It's not just the lights, it's the thermostats,

01:22:45   it's anything it communicates with.

01:22:47   It's just awful.

01:22:48   So I was like, oh my God, Apple.

01:22:50   Like you have to get rid of this or redo it,

01:22:53   but you can't leave it like this.

01:22:54   It's just, it has been the worst user experience

01:22:59   for a long time.

01:23:00   So I was thrilled about like, we reimagined it from the ground up.

01:23:05   Like, yeah, I hope you did.

01:23:07   Because it was, it is awful.

01:23:09   I mean, of course, Myke, we also have to talk about my favorite section.

01:23:14   Maps.

01:23:16   Maps.

01:23:17   Always the most exciting section of the Apple WWDC.

01:23:21   I got excited for you when Meg appeared, right?

01:23:24   I was like, oh, Grey's gonna love this.

01:23:26   Yes, of course.

01:23:28   I was like, what you got for me, Miss Frost?

01:23:30   I was also, I don't know if you, I could not figure out for the life of me if in that transition

01:23:36   they were filming Craig in front of a green screen or if he was actually outside.

01:23:41   This is like, nobody cares about this, but there's a thing that I really hate about a lot of the way modern stuff is filmed on digital cameras

01:23:50   is the color profile of digital cameras can sometimes make real things look more like a green screen than they actually are.

01:23:58   And I was like, I was really distracted until they turned the camera to Meg Frost and I

01:24:02   was like, "Okay, she's clearly outside."

01:24:05   Like there's no question about that.

01:24:07   But that little transition they did with Craig where he like walks down the hall and he goes

01:24:10   outside, I couldn't listen to a word he said.

01:24:12   I was like, "Is he standing in front of a green screen or not?"

01:24:14   Like I can't tell.

01:24:15   It was driving me mad.

01:24:16   I think he was standing in front of a green screen, but who knows?

01:24:18   It could have just been the digital camera effects.

01:24:19   His basketball shot was all CGI.

01:24:23   Yeah.

01:24:25   It's fun seeing the whole Apple campus, but I do find, like, I can't turn off the meta

01:24:29   part of my brain, which is like, "Which part of this is real?

01:24:31   What's actually happening?

01:24:32   What are they not showing us here?

01:24:34   Is that actually where that scientist is developing super fast computer chips?

01:24:39   I don't know.

01:24:40   Is that just a stage?"

01:24:41   I can't turn off that part of my brain.

01:24:43   But yeah, so of course, I'm always excited for maps.

01:24:45   I would say it was a quiet year for maps.

01:24:48   I was happy to see that they're still building out the AR world with, like, all of the little

01:24:54   fancy buildings like we talked about last time and they're expanding that.

01:24:57   And I do have to say that the one big feature is like multi-stop routes to be able to have

01:25:05   multiple locations for a trip. That has been something that I have found just really frustrating

01:25:14   not being able to do that. And it also feels like, "Oh, thank God, Apple. Like, I'm so glad that this is

01:25:19   here. I'm also really glad that you could do a thing where you can build a route on the computer

01:25:25   and then send it to the phone. And I've thought for like a couple of real life projects that is

01:25:32   actually a useful feature that I would have like I want to make a route between these five locations.

01:25:38   It's easier to do on the computer while I'm thinking about stuff and just send that to my

01:25:43   phone. So it's like, okay, that's great. It's like I said, a little bit of a quiet year for

01:25:48   for maps, but what I think is not technically maps, but I also found really fascinating

01:25:55   was the Apple car stuff. Like what they demonstrated that they're going to do with the displays

01:26:04   of dashboards in cars. Yeah, that was another one of those. You've solved a problem. I didn't

01:26:12   even know that I had with being able to customize car dashboards if they're willing to work

01:26:19   with Apple in that way.

01:26:22   And I just thought like, man, that looks so freaking awesome.

01:26:28   And I generally have this rule that if I'm traveling and I need to rent a car, I'm really

01:26:34   trying to either rent a Tesla, which is what I'm most familiar in driving.

01:26:41   And if that's not an option, which is very frequently the case, it has to have CarPlay

01:26:47   integration.

01:26:48   It just has to, because I don't want, like, I think it's like a safety problem of I don't

01:26:52   want to have to relearn the car all the time.

01:26:57   And so I've had a bunch of experience using Apple CarPlay.

01:27:00   And I've always thought it's great.

01:27:01   Like, I really like it.

01:27:03   CarPlay is nice.

01:27:04   Yeah, I was like, if I'm in like a friend's car, like in a taxi or whatever, and they're

01:27:08   using CarPlay.

01:27:09   I was I'm always impressed by it. I think it's a really nice looking interface. And

01:27:13   I agree with you, I think what they're doing looks even better. It's like, but it's a long

01:27:17   way away, right?

01:27:18   Yeah, no, it looks really impressive. And I know it is a big joke about Apple Maps.

01:27:25   But like, if you have not used it in a while, it is great. And also, I can say, like, I've

01:27:31   tried all of the different systems, I think Apple is really nailing getting the audio

01:27:35   directions down. Like when I was driving around in Hawaii and using Apple for directions,

01:27:40   like they're doing just like great stuff with figuring out when should the voice assistant

01:27:47   talk? What should it say? How should it describe what the upcoming intersection is like? It has

01:27:52   gotten subtly very, very good. And I think people should give it a try if they haven't. It's like

01:27:58   by far my preferred voice assistant in terms of like ease of ability to understand what it is

01:28:04   is trying to communicate.

01:28:06   But especially like thinking about being in a situation

01:28:09   where I'm renting cars, the ability to have a dashboard

01:28:14   that I can keep with me.

01:28:15   So it's like, oh, the speed indicator

01:28:17   is just consistent every time.

01:28:19   Like what a fantastic feature and listeners will know,

01:28:23   I love driving Teslas, but I have always told people

01:28:27   that I think the biggest downside of the Tesla

01:28:31   is that it does not integrate with either,

01:28:34   I know, Apple or Android for any of the car stuff.

01:28:39   And I really think every year that goes by,

01:28:42   this becomes a bigger and bigger problem for Tesla.

01:28:45   Like, I'm not saying Tesla's system is bad.

01:28:48   I don't love the post-model three design language

01:28:53   that they've been using in the car.

01:28:54   Like, it's fine.

01:28:55   I don't really have any problem with it.

01:28:56   I just don't love it.

01:28:58   Whereas I feel like I do really love the Apple interface,

01:29:02   but it's like, man, every year that goes by,

01:29:05   the fact that Tesla is still relying on like,

01:29:09   whatever that basic Bluetooth protocol is

01:29:11   to just control your music and do a few things,

01:29:15   I think that's gonna be more and more limiting,

01:29:17   especially after this version of CarPlay rolls out

01:29:21   and you can like redesign your entire dashboard.

01:29:24   Like, I get it.

01:29:26   I understand Tesla's reasoning for not wanting to integrate with these things, but I really

01:29:33   think they need to fold on this at some point.

01:29:35   I think they're gonna.

01:29:36   You think that they're going to?

01:29:37   Two reasons.

01:29:38   One, they very clearly showed a design option, which was the Tesla style, right?

01:29:43   Yeah.

01:29:44   I think that was purposeful.

01:29:45   Also the statistics that they gave, like those, like what is it, like 98% of cars have it

01:29:52   and 80% of people want it or something like that.

01:29:55   Here's the thing, they gave this statistic, I wrote it down, they said 79% would only consider carplay for a purchase.

01:30:02   And I took a look at that number and that really felt to me like a replication crisis kind of number.

01:30:08   Like, let me see your methodology on that 79%. That number seems crazy high.

01:30:14   Well, yeah, of iPhone users, right? How many Android users were in that segment of people you asked?

01:30:19   Yeah, but here's the thing, but, but, but, whatever the real number is, it's only going up.

01:30:26   There's no universe in which that number goes down ever.

01:30:29   It only increases over time.

01:30:31   And like, I can easily imagine like five years from now, which car you buy depends entirely on like your Apple phone or your Android phone.

01:30:40   Like that's, and that's like the starting place for the decision.

01:30:43   Yeah, because look, if you're Tesla, right, you had so many advantages.

01:30:47   You had the electric car, which was fantastic and worked great.

01:30:52   You had the charging network, which is available and works great.

01:30:55   And you have a really modern operating system.

01:30:58   But now major car companies are solving the first two and then looking to device

01:31:04   manufacturers, the smartphone manufacturers for the third.

01:31:07   So you're losing all of your advantages at a certain point, right?

01:31:12   As these companies start to encroach on you.

01:31:14   So then if you're Tesla, if you don't have that option available, you will start to lose people.

01:31:20   Like if I was buying a car in late 2023, right, and I wanted to buy an electric car, I think I would devalue Tesla in that list because of CarPlay.

01:31:35   Like what they're showing is like, yeah, okay, I would do that.

01:31:37   Like if I was buying a car now, I would have to really think about it because CarPlay is really great.

01:31:43   but it would have to be like, but I think Tesla will be closer to the top because it's not so exciting

01:31:49   and there's still a ton of benefits for Tesla or other stuff.

01:31:52   But as this new feature gets closer and closer, like the reason to buy a Tesla, I think decreases and decreases

01:32:01   at the same time that major car companies are encroaching on every other thing that they have

01:32:06   that's a benefit to them. So I think that they're gonna, personally I think they're gonna have to do it

01:32:11   And if they don't, that's a really stupid decision.

01:32:14   - Yeah, I actually got, you mentioned it there,

01:32:16   I got excited when they showed the mock-up

01:32:19   because I thought, boy, does that look like

01:32:21   the inside of a Tesla.

01:32:22   Like it really does.

01:32:24   And of course, when they showed the screen,

01:32:25   I'm like, we're working with major manufacturers.

01:32:27   No Tesla, I was like,

01:32:28   I'm only just looking for one word on that screen.

01:32:30   I'm looking for the word Tesla and it wasn't there.

01:32:33   I'm not confident that Tesla will do that,

01:32:37   but I do think it's a mistake if they don't.

01:32:39   I think they'll only do it if it's kind of like under duress, you know? It's like, it will be,

01:32:44   whenever they do it, it will be too, too, it will be too late, but it will still be done,

01:32:49   you know? That's kind of the way I look at it.

01:32:50   Yeah, but so anyway, I just, I wanted to mention that like, I know that the, the CarPlay stuff is

01:32:55   not really part of maps, but I feel like it functionally is part of maps because that has to be

01:33:02   where 80% of the use is for most people most of the time, and it's like such a practical use of

01:33:08   And I mean, I just, I just love on the display, like, oh, I could have the car

01:33:13   like flying through the little buildings in their little simulation of the world,

01:33:17   like right between the wheels and have the speed on one side, uh, and

01:33:21   some other indicators on the other.

01:33:23   I love the way that looks.

01:33:24   So good looking like, and so comfortable to view.

01:33:28   So anyway, I was quite interested in, in that, even though I'm not legally

01:33:34   allowed to drive in the UK and only drive in America.

01:33:37   Are you ready to start gaming more seriously on your Mac?

01:33:41   I felt like this was for you too.

01:33:44   When I was talking about Mac gaming, I'm like, "Oh yeah, look, Gray won't get a PC."

01:33:48   It's great that they're bringing more gaming to the Mac.

01:33:51   I mean, look, I'm gonna be honest.

01:33:54   When the Mac gaming part started, I turned to my wife and I said,

01:33:59   "This is a perfect time for the bathroom break for both of us."

01:34:02   We both got up and went to the bathroom and came back.

01:34:05   I don't know, I find the gaming section very boring because they don't have anything other

01:34:11   to say than like, "Look at all of these teraflops! Look at all of these polygons!

01:34:16   We've polygonned it up!" And the game that they have to play is getting people to develop games

01:34:28   for both Windows and Mac at the same time. That's the actual hill that they have to climb.

01:34:35   And I'm not a game developer.

01:34:37   I don't know, but I just, in all of those gaming sections, I rarely feel like they're hitting on things that are moving the needle on that problem.

01:34:49   Like, what makes it easier or more profitable for developers who would normally just work on Windows to also make something for the Mac?

01:34:59   I feel this pain when I browse through Steam and look at games.

01:35:02   and it's like, "Oh man, this max section is a little sad."

01:35:06   It's better than it used to be,

01:35:07   but the number of times I see some cool game

01:35:10   and I go, "Oh, right, that's not gonna happen."

01:35:13   So, I mean, did you feel like there was anything

01:35:16   in that section that would address that

01:35:19   other than just like, our graphics are awesome?

01:35:22   - I feel like that there is a positioning part of this

01:35:25   which is important.

01:35:27   That part of the presentation to me

01:35:29   felt like it was ripped out of the presentation

01:35:31   they give behind closed doors to game developers.

01:35:35   - Hmm.

01:35:36   - So there are a couple of parts to this.

01:35:37   One is talking about the strength of the Mac platform,

01:35:42   that Macs are more powerful than ever

01:35:44   and we're selling more of them than we ever have.

01:35:46   That's a big plus there, right?

01:35:49   Our market share is larger.

01:35:51   So if you make a Mac game,

01:35:52   there's more people to put it to.

01:35:54   But the other thing, the bigger thing is,

01:35:55   look, hey, this is all our one platform.

01:35:57   Have you ever heard about the iPhone and the iPad?

01:36:00   because this is where I look at it like because if you do the work and you bring your game to the

01:36:06   Mac you can also bring your game to our other devices because it's the same APIs because one

01:36:14   of the games so they showed off No Man's Sky right which is a funny game in Cortex lore like for

01:36:21   people that remember like we I was so excited about that game before it came out and then

01:36:26   obviously all the things happened and now it's a much better game. People should watch the internet

01:36:30   historian video on No Man's Sky. It's amazing. Put it in the show notes, Myke.

01:36:34   I'll find it. That game, by the way, now is incredible. Like, they've not stopped working

01:36:40   on it, and it's kind of unbelievable what they've done with it. But anyway, we'll all get to

01:36:43   experience it, not just on our Macs, but there was a press release afterwards also on the iPad.

01:36:47   They didn't talk about that during the presentation, but No Man's Sky will be on the iPad too.

01:36:51   And so it's like, oh, okay. And then the fact that they were able to get Capcom to come out and talk

01:36:57   talk about Resident Evil Village, which is a game that came out in the last year.

01:37:01   It was just a serious game.

01:37:03   Like there's just things like that where I'm like, this feels different.

01:37:06   And then the other part of it is, well, if you want to make a VR headset,

01:37:11   you've got to get good at games.

01:37:13   And so I feel like they are attacking it from both sides, right?

01:37:18   They have the iPhone and the iPad part.

01:37:20   They don't need to do any work.

01:37:21   You know, you want to bring a game there.

01:37:23   If you, if you can run a game on those platforms, you'll run a game on those

01:37:26   platforms because there's so many devices right and it just makes sense

01:37:30   but the Mac is like yeah I don't know but if you have something powerful

01:37:34   enough it now has the power like they were saying like Resident Evil Village

01:37:37   plays in 4k on the Mac studio right and so it's like that sounds fantastic right

01:37:43   or they would do 1080 on everything else and 4k on the studio with like the pro

01:37:47   and the ultra which is that all makes sense that's what you would expect you

01:37:50   playing a game on a laptop you probably expect 1080 by and large because you

01:37:54   don't want to destroy the battery. So it's like stuff like that where it's like this all sounds

01:37:59   different and they are now in a position where they can pitch this stuff more seriously but then

01:38:04   go in at it from both sides. You've got we've got all the devices and we also have the technology.

01:38:09   Please bring your game to us. I will also say Resident Evil Village just announced VR content

01:38:15   for PlayStation VR. So what do you think they might be working with Apple on like testing out

01:38:22   headset stuff? Is that what you're thinking? I could imagine that they would be also bringing

01:38:27   the Resident Evil Village VR content to Apple as well. Yeah, maybe. Again, because I find that

01:38:34   section boring, I wasn't paying full attention. But I do feel like, okay, if they're actually

01:38:38   trying to pitch it, like we're bringing these platforms closer together so that you get access

01:38:43   to all three of them, that does solve the developer problem of how are we going to make this profitable

01:38:47   to do. As I said, Metal 3 introduced a bunch of stuff to enable way more powerful games to come

01:38:52   to come to the platform.

01:38:53   Like they're not sleeping on it.

01:38:54   And is it just like, hey, this is so convenient.

01:38:58   Is that convenient and we're doing the work?

01:39:00   Like that's where I see it's like,

01:39:01   it's coming from these two sides from them right now.

01:39:03   - Well, yeah, and honestly, like the one thing,

01:39:06   they congratulated themselves in the presentation

01:39:08   and I thought you guys totally deserve it

01:39:10   when they congratulated themselves on the transfer

01:39:12   to the M1 and M2 Mac Silicon chip line.

01:39:16   It's like, guys, your chip team is just

01:39:19   apps of freaking lootly knocking it out of the park.

01:39:22   It is shock.

01:39:23   Like I'm, I'm still just constantly impressed at how well my laptop does

01:39:28   with really heavy workloads.

01:39:30   It's so good.

01:39:31   How well the battery lasts.

01:39:33   Like I always kind of underrate when they're like, Ooh, this laptop will last forever.

01:39:37   No, it won't.

01:39:37   It's like, Oh wow.

01:39:38   My new pro actually does last a very long time on the battery.

01:39:43   Like this is the first time I feel like it's delivered on those promises, but

01:39:46   more importantly is like the raw power when it's actually plugged in.

01:39:51   And that does feel like if they keep working at this, I can see in the long run that it could attract

01:39:59   actually more of like the serious gaming end if they're able to keep making the kind of gains that

01:40:06   they have of like, "Oh, actually Mac computers on Apple Silicon are amazing for heavy duty stuff."

01:40:14   I can see that in the future. I just don't, you know, I'm not well-versed enough in like what all

01:40:19   the current level stats are to know how these things are relative to each other now, but I could

01:40:24   see that in the future of Apple might actually be able to turn the tides on this and have the best

01:40:29   processors that exist. Look, I mean, the only thing that really caught my attention during

01:40:33   the gaming section was they mentioned background download API, bringing it back to you mentioning

01:40:42   at the start about all the APIs, and that one did catch my attention for one reason, which is every

01:40:48   time Magic releases a new set of cards. The app loads, you know, like so it's updated in the app

01:40:56   store, it's downloaded onto your computer, but when the app loads it then says, it's so annoying,

01:41:01   it goes "Would you like to download five gigabytes in order to continue?" It's like "Yes, of course

01:41:07   I would!" - Greg, why is it so large? - It's all the artwork for the cards, it's just a huge, huge

01:41:13   update. The artwork, especially on the computer, it's genuinely gorgeous. On the iPad it's a little

01:41:18   bit compressed and terrible looking but it's still like it's just a ton of data. But I always find

01:41:22   that incredibly annoying like, "Hey, can I just open this app and start looking around and you

01:41:28   download the cards as I need them? Wouldn't that be better?" And that's like that's all I was

01:41:33   thinking of for like that background download API like, "Oh come on Wizards of the Coast, please,

01:41:39   please include this in your app so that I don't have to download the entire thing and

01:41:45   wait for 20 minutes before I can actually do the thing that I want to do, which is play

01:41:49   your game.

01:41:50   Who's slower at adding new features, Apple or Wizards of the Coast?

01:41:55   I think that depends on how you define a feature.

01:41:57   How like, confident are you that they're gonna add this thing with iOS 16?

01:42:01   Oh, uhhh...

01:42:03   3% confident.

01:42:05   [laughter]

01:42:06   For some reason, that was what I expected, and I don't know why, because I don't really

01:42:10   know anything about this company.

01:42:12   But there's just something, the name Wizards of the Coast makes it feel like this company

01:42:16   is very old.

01:42:17   You know, it's just like, it just sounds old, you know?

01:42:20   Wizards of the Coast is actually owned by Hasbro, and mainly my 3% is just, how vital

01:42:27   is this from their perspective when they're developing for multiple platforms?

01:42:30   I think it's not very vital and ultimately am I willing to wait 20 minutes to play the

01:42:36   game?

01:42:37   Well yeah, of course, because I'm going to then spend hundreds of hours on it, so yeah,

01:42:42   like the 20 minutes is nothing.

01:42:44   But still, it would be nice if they implemented that background download API.