118: Season of Uncertainty


00:00:00   I brought all my good gear to the studio now.

00:00:03   - Oh yeah?

00:00:03   - Yeah, a couple of weeks ago I realized

00:00:05   my good audio interface, the one that I like the most,

00:00:09   USB Pre 2, that's been at home for,

00:00:14   it never came to the studio.

00:00:16   And I was using my Zoom kind of recorder here,

00:00:19   which is like a traveling piece of equipment.

00:00:21   So I swapped them over a couple of weeks ago.

00:00:24   Felt like I made a bit of a commitment to the studio

00:00:27   that way, which is nice.

00:00:29   - So you're doing 100% of your podcast recording

00:00:31   from the studio now?

00:00:31   - That's one of the reasons that made me do it

00:00:33   is I don't record anything from home now

00:00:37   unless there's like some very particular reason.

00:00:40   Like I recorded something really late a couple of nights ago

00:00:43   and so I just did it from home.

00:00:44   But yeah, now all of my regular shows,

00:00:47   they're all recorded at the studio now.

00:00:50   I'm here every day,

00:00:51   like I'm here at least five days a week.

00:00:52   - No, but bringing all the good equipment over,

00:00:54   that's an exciting final step.

00:00:56   - Yeah, it was a commitment.

00:00:57   Yeah, you're really committed to this office after only 18 months or so.

00:01:05   Yeah, something like that.

00:01:08   Well congratulations for bringing the last piece of audio equipment over.

00:01:10   Yeah I've got this whole thing all set up nicely.

00:01:13   I've got my nice yellow iMac and it sits on this like stand, right?

00:01:17   Because Apple refused to make the stands tall enough.

00:01:20   Oh yeah, I know.

00:01:21   The shortness of their little feet for the monitors are incredibly frustrating.

00:01:25   But I have a nice stand made by a company called Grovemade. You've probably come across

00:01:30   this company before. They make a lot of these kinds of stands and cases and that kind of

00:01:35   stuff. It's nice because it's made of the same kind of wood as my desk, so it all matches

00:01:39   in quite nicely.

00:01:40   Very nice.

00:01:41   And I have a second monitor now, which is great. I used my old Dell monitor that I was

00:01:47   using for the Mac Mini before. Now it just sits off to the side of the iMac, and that's

00:01:52   where I put all the recording apps. I'm feeling pretty settled here now. It's quite nice.

00:01:57   - Have you built yourself a little booth? I just realized I don't know what the final

00:02:02   setup for your audio was. You didn't want to build yourself a little recording call.

00:02:06   So I don't know what the final result was for dampening the audio.

00:02:09   - It didn't change. So I have two sound-insulating panels behind me and then I still have the

00:02:15   curtains. Remember the big curtains? I still have those on the left and right of me. And

00:02:20   I found that it does a pretty good job.

00:02:22   Actually, just before we were recording,

00:02:24   when I was talking to you,

00:02:25   I could hear an echo to the left side,

00:02:27   and I just adjusted the curtain a little bit

00:02:29   and it's gone away.

00:02:30   So, it's doing a good job.

00:02:32   They are not pretty, but it's functional.

00:02:35   I mean, ultimately, having been here

00:02:38   for the time that we've been here,

00:02:39   and there's still things that I want,

00:02:41   and there's still things that we want to do,

00:02:43   but we're thinking that it's ultimately,

00:02:48   it's kind of like a similar thing

00:02:49   to wanting to own our own home,

00:02:51   we kind of want to own our own office space.

00:02:54   And so I think that is probably the plan

00:02:56   for the next few years,

00:02:58   because it's very restrictive when we're renting here.

00:03:00   There's only so many things we're allowed to do

00:03:02   and we can't put anything on the walls very easily

00:03:06   or we have to, it's just like a whole thing.

00:03:08   And like the shared bathroom and shared kitchen experience

00:03:13   is kind of as you would expect it to be

00:03:15   and it's less than ideal.

00:03:16   So we'll probably be here, I reckon, for a couple of years.

00:03:20   But the long-term goal now, I think,

00:03:23   is to try and find something in our area

00:03:28   which we could acquire through the business

00:03:34   and own our own space.

00:03:36   I don't know how realistic that's gonna be or possible,

00:03:39   but I think that would be my ideal.

00:03:43   I don't really like being in a situation like this

00:03:46   that we can't fully control.

00:03:48   And I just say, I never lived in rental accommodation.

00:03:52   I lived at home until I was ready to buy.

00:03:54   Just the way I am as a person,

00:03:56   I kind of don't like being beholden

00:04:00   to a landlord in that way.

00:04:02   And so I was lucky enough to have a home environment

00:04:06   that was good for me until we were in a point

00:04:10   where we could buy our own home.

00:04:12   And so being in this kind of environment now,

00:04:16   it's like it's a bit weird.

00:04:17   It's like we want to fix something.

00:04:18   Well, you can't fix it.

00:04:20   - Right, you have to get the landlord to fix it.

00:04:23   - So it's like there's all these little things

00:04:24   that it's like, oh, you want to replace the window?

00:04:26   You can't do that.

00:04:28   Okay, will you replace the window?

00:04:29   No, there's nothing wrong with it.

00:04:31   It's like, yeah, I know, but like,

00:04:33   we would like a different kind of like lock on the window.

00:04:36   Ah, no, no, no, it's fine.

00:04:38   This is like stuff like that.

00:04:40   I think that's going to be a long-term goal.

00:04:42   We'll probably be in a yearly theme at some point

00:04:44   in the future, within the next couple of years maybe.

00:04:47   And it's like one of those things we look,

00:04:48   like see what's available.

00:04:50   And most commercial property stuff in our area

00:04:53   is all retail and you can't just buy a shop

00:04:57   and not be a shop.

00:04:58   Like it's not how it works.

00:05:00   An office space seems hard to come by.

00:05:02   - Yes, yeah.

00:05:03   I looked into that at one point and I was like,

00:05:05   "Oh, commercial real estate, this is interesting.

00:05:08   Oh, no, I can't do what I want.

00:05:10   Can I set up like a fake shop in the front?

00:05:12   You know, like the office equivalent of money laundering.

00:05:15   It's like, oh, that coffee shop.

00:05:17   It's only three feet deep in that retail space.

00:05:19   What's behind there?

00:05:20   Oh, nothing.

00:05:21   You know, it's just an office space.

00:05:23   - That reminds me of that 368 that Casey Neistat set up.

00:05:26   They had a little shop in the front.

00:05:28   It just made me realize.

00:05:29   Was that because of zoning laws?

00:05:31   - Boy, you know, that's an interesting,

00:05:34   but I mean, look,

00:05:35   there's a lot of interesting questions around 368.

00:05:39   but that's a very interesting question.

00:05:42   - Maybe we could just set up a very tiny cortex brand store

00:05:47   that is open for half an hour every three months.

00:05:51   - Right.

00:05:52   - And just the rest of it's very selective

00:05:54   and the rest of the time it's closed.

00:05:56   But then we have wonderful offices behind it.

00:05:58   - What's the minimum amount of retail that would count?

00:06:01   Could you have a like a

00:06:03   buy appointment only shopping experience?

00:06:06   - Why not?

00:06:07   (laughs)

00:06:08   - I don't know.

00:06:08   feel like us talking about it here makes it harder for us to realize this dream.

00:06:14   No, I'm not sure about that, Myke. Just because we're talking about office space laundering.

00:06:21   Our podcast is admissible in court is what I want to know.

00:06:27   Judge, I was just joking. I don't understand why you took that section so seriously.

00:06:31   It's a comedy podcast, by and large.

00:06:33   Yeah, if it's a comedy podcast, none of your words count. Everyone knows that.

00:06:38   [Laughter]

00:06:39   So yeah, I'm very happy here, but as always thinking about what my future will look like.

00:06:46   But I do feel very wedded to the idea of an out-of-home office.

00:06:50   I really do like that experience.

00:06:52   It's been a very nice adjustment for me.

00:06:54   Yeah, I just think it's funny that you have only just brought over the last piece of equipment

00:06:58   and already I'm hearing about "well…"

00:07:01   And then the next place is on the horizon already.

00:07:04   Yeah, I mean this was always step one.

00:07:07   I had just decided I had to be out of the home and we basically went for the first place

00:07:14   we found. Which is honestly not that different to when we bought our apartment. It was like

00:07:22   we want to move, we have to move now. We spent one day, we looked at four apartments and

00:07:26   then we just put an offer on one of them.

00:07:28   I didn't realise it was that fast.

00:07:30   Yeah, I mean, but then it took an awful long time to complete. I feel like I'm with this

00:07:35   kind of stuff realistic in knowing that they don't need to be dream homes because I feel

00:07:41   like the dream home or the dream office comes later in life. It's not the first one or at

00:07:46   least it's not going to be for me. I don't live in that part of the world, right? Like

00:07:52   if I want to stay in London, I can't get the dream. It's going to take a long time and

00:07:57   I'm going to have to move somewhere different probably. But I also don't know what it would

00:08:01   be. But like this has been a very good test case of understanding what I want. And I think

00:08:07   the main thing now that we know we want is we need rooms. There needs to be dividing

00:08:12   walls in the space.

00:08:14   Right. So not just setting up zones for different things, different spaces in one big open space.

00:08:19   You want physically separate rooms.

00:08:21   Yeah. And so that's, that's like a thing for the future is like if and when we do this,

00:08:26   rooms will be key.

00:08:27   I wish you luck on your search.

00:08:29   Oh, I'm not searching.

00:08:30   Two years hence.

00:08:31   you can wish future Myke some good luck.

00:08:34   He's not, I'm not in a rush.

00:08:36   I'm not in a rush.

00:08:37   Gonna set some homework for the next episode.

00:08:40   We haven't done a book club in a while

00:08:41   and I'm realizing where we are in the year.

00:08:45   And if we don't do one now,

00:08:48   'cause I did really want to do one this year,

00:08:50   but if we don't do one now,

00:08:51   I don't think we're going to be able to do it.

00:08:53   Because I think I was talking to Adina about this yesterday,

00:08:55   that we maybe have like five more episodes

00:08:58   and like three of them are set, like the topics are set.

00:09:00   - Oh God, Myke, you're making my whole year feel

00:09:03   like it's just slipped away.

00:09:04   - It's about to, yeah.

00:09:05   - Oh my God.

00:09:05   - It really is wild when you think about that.

00:09:08   It's like you do like maybe somewhere between 12

00:09:10   and 14 episodes a year.

00:09:11   - But it's only March now,

00:09:13   like it can't possibly be that far into the years.

00:09:15   - I feel like I have something terrible to break to you,

00:09:17   but maybe we'll deal with that later on.

00:09:19   So we wanted to do a book club.

00:09:21   We're gonna do something we haven't done before.

00:09:24   Neither of us have read this book.

00:09:25   So we don't know what it's gonna be like,

00:09:28   but it is one that I've had recommended to us every time we talk about book recommendations.

00:09:33   This one always comes up. So there's probably a reason for that and it is thinking fast

00:09:39   and slow by Daniel Kahneman. Is that how you say it? Kahneman?

00:09:44   I think it's Kahneman. I'm not 100% sure on that either but this also was one of these

00:09:48   books where when we were looking through potential options. It's definitely a book I've heard

00:09:53   lots of people make reference to and people have recommended it to me. So I've been aware

00:09:59   of it for a long time. I've just never gotten around to reading it. And it's also one of

00:10:04   these books that I feel like I think I might never read this unless we do do it as homework

00:10:09   for book club. So yeah, we're going to –

00:10:11   That's the same for me of all of these books. I will never read them unless they're set

00:10:16   as a task I must complete because I've promised people I will have read it.

00:10:20   - Right, I guess I forgot for you

00:10:22   that that is the case for literally every one of the books.

00:10:24   - Literally every book, every single,

00:10:26   every book, these are all books.

00:10:28   I'm looking at the cover of this now on Audible,

00:10:31   this book, and it's fun to me.

00:10:32   Like, so it says, "The international bestseller,

00:10:34   "Thinking Fast and Slow, Daniel Kahneman,

00:10:37   "Winner of the Nobel Prize."

00:10:38   So Kahneman is a Nobel Prize winning economic scientist,

00:10:42   but putting it on the book kind of makes it seem like,

00:10:45   if you're not paying attention,

00:10:47   that he won a Nobel Prize for this book.

00:10:49   - Right.

00:10:50   - This book is a Nobel Prize winning book.

00:10:53   Peace on Earth because of thinking fast and slow.

00:10:56   - Yeah, so my understanding is it is a book

00:10:58   about decision making in general,

00:11:01   how do humans make decisions?

00:11:03   And so I feel like that very easily fits in

00:11:05   with our book club, so yeah.

00:11:08   And I will be happy in the future

00:11:10   to have actually been able to say like,

00:11:13   oh yes, I've read that book and I have thoughts on it

00:11:15   the next time it comes up in conversation, so.

00:11:17   So you have about a month if you want to follow along,

00:11:20   because that'll be on our next episode.

00:11:23   - Yep, get started people.

00:11:24   It's 20 hours on Audible.

00:11:26   - I'm definitely not gonna read it on the Kindle.

00:11:31   I'm not gonna put myself through that again.

00:11:32   I'm gonna listen to it.

00:11:34   - I forgot, what was the book that you tried to read

00:11:36   on the Kindle, which one?

00:11:38   You made yourself really miserable with one of the books.

00:11:40   You actually tried to read it and I was like, oh no.

00:11:42   - Was it, which one?

00:11:44   Hold on, let me log into my Amazon account maybe.

00:11:47   Was it the effective executive?

00:11:48   What is that?

00:11:49   - Did we read that?

00:11:50   I don't even know anymore.

00:11:51   - What is that book?

00:11:52   - Maybe we've been doing the book club for too long.

00:11:54   I have no memory of this.

00:11:56   - From November, 2018.

00:11:58   I have zero memory of this book.

00:12:00   (laughing)

00:12:01   That's terrible.

00:12:02   I don't remember it at all.

00:12:04   By Peter Drucker.

00:12:07   Five talents is essential to effectiveness.

00:12:10   This must have been one of the really bad ones,

00:12:12   but like not even in a good way.

00:12:15   I have zero memory of this book.

00:12:16   I remember many of the others.

00:12:19   Like I remember "Creativity Inc."

00:12:20   I remember when we did "E-Myth" and "Seven Habits."

00:12:24   I remember all of those.

00:12:25   I remember nothing about "The Effective Executive."

00:12:27   So probably not that effective.

00:12:29   - "The Uneffective Executive."

00:12:30   This is not a very popular business book.

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00:14:41   You seemed to be kicking yourself a little bit in the subreddit thread for the last episode.

00:14:48   Oh no no no don't forget to-

00:14:52   You seemed upset at yourself with the way that you explain magic.

00:14:58   No no I- look listen listeners if you're ever in a position where you have to explain something

00:15:05   then you have to listen to a recording of yourself explaining a thing.

00:15:09   I guarantee you that 100% of the time you will be unhappy with that recording.

00:15:15   Like you'll go, "Oh, I thought I was doing a great job."

00:15:18   And then you hear yourself and you go, "That was terrible."

00:15:21   And I feel that after literally every one of the shows,

00:15:25   every time I listen to the recording, I'm always going,

00:15:28   "Why didn't he explain his thoughts more clearly?"

00:15:33   But I don't think I can even do this,

00:15:35   but we talked about magic for a while last time.

00:15:40   And I think I have never been more uncomfortable

00:15:43   listening to an audio recording of myself, I'm like, "Oh god, I'm just doing the

00:15:46   worst job explaining this ever." So I'm just, I'll just rank this up as like, "Oh

00:15:52   my god, I was incredibly uncomfortable with that segment, I just thought I did a terrible

00:15:57   job." But I don't know, the feedback seemed to be reasonably positive and people liked

00:16:01   it anyway, so...

00:16:02   I think people were just excited that we spoke about it more than anything else.

00:16:06   Yeah, maybe that's what it was. All of the Magic players in the audience were like, "Oh

00:16:10   "Oh my god, Gray is talking about it."

00:16:12   But honestly, I think I would die if I tried to do it again.

00:16:17   So we could just put that in follow-up of like,

00:16:22   OMG, that was incredibly uncomfortable for Gray.

00:16:25   I just did a terrible job, I don't know why.

00:16:27   And when I was listening to that editing,

00:16:30   I caught myself starting to make notes for a script of,

00:16:35   "Well, here's how I would explain it better."

00:16:36   And then I was like, "What the (beep) are you doing?"

00:16:38   I deleted that straight away.

00:16:42   I'm like, this is done.

00:16:45   This is done.

00:16:47   You don't need to have another go at this.

00:16:50   We can just let it lay at rest forever.

00:16:54   Gray still plays a lot of magic. He totally loves it.

00:16:57   But he doesn't need to try to make a second go at explaining why.

00:17:02   So you are continuing to play? It's still your game of choice at the moment?

00:17:05   Oh yeah, totally. I still completely, completely love it. I've been playing a lot of magic

00:17:11   on the couch, you know, while my wife is watching TV, and it's fantastic.

00:17:18   How are you feeling with your work patterns right now? I feel like this has been something

00:17:25   we've touched on various times during pandemic season. You know, like we were a bit all over

00:17:33   the place at the start and then you brought Weekend Wednesday into the picture.

00:17:39   How are things right now?

00:17:42   Yeah, it's interesting.

00:17:46   I was kind of thinking about this a bunch.

00:17:50   This pandemic year has been an interesting one, although now we are very well into the

00:17:55   pandemic year and a half is really what we're approaching up on, even though in my head

00:18:01   I do still feel like it's March, but things like there's only five episodes left in the

00:18:06   year.

00:18:07   I really go, "No, no, we're very well into 2021."

00:18:11   Myke, do you know the Twitter account?

00:18:15   It's called something like Year Percentage.

00:18:18   Do you know this Twitter account?

00:18:19   I've seen it.

00:18:20   It's like an account that fills up a progress bar, right?

00:18:23   Yeah, it fills up a progress bar over the course of a year.

00:18:26   So every day it just has one tweet and it says like, "We are," with a little bar.

00:18:30   percent of the way through the year and I don't log on Twitter very much but whenever I do it

00:18:35   tends to be one of the top ones and it must be it must be because Twitter knows that like my mouse

00:18:41   cursor always hovers over it in horror right like oh he really engages with that tweet because there's

00:18:47   something just totally shocking about seeing how fast the year has gone and there's something about

00:18:53   about that progress bar one that really gets me every time.

00:18:56   - 51% Gray.

00:18:58   - Oh no, really? - We passed it, yeah.

00:19:01   We're over 51% now.

00:19:03   - I literally cannot believe that.

00:19:06   - I know what the date is, right?

00:19:08   But still, right?

00:19:09   Like, but still.

00:19:11   (laughing)

00:19:14   - Oh my God, that's awful.

00:19:16   So yeah, we're officially to like 18 months

00:19:19   of pandemic time.

00:19:22   So yeah, I think it's, there's been a lot like, sort of nothing has changed over the

00:19:27   course of this time, but also there's been so much change.

00:19:31   And I think the way that I would describe the past, I guess, two months.

00:19:37   Oh my god, great.

00:19:39   I just got lost on his Twitter account.

00:19:41   They make a Mac app, a menu bar app.

00:19:44   Oh, yeah, that shows percentage of day, month, year, and you can also put life in which is

00:19:49   horrifying.

00:19:51   So there's like the people that make that account they have an app for the Mac which

00:19:56   does this.

00:19:57   I just sent it to you.

00:19:59   I was like you need to send me this link.

00:20:00   It's called progress bar.

00:20:01   But also I don't know if this is a good idea.

00:20:03   Oh so the one that's life you can choose your own deadline.

00:20:06   They put life in there because I guess that's kind of funny but.

00:20:09   Right yeah.

00:20:10   Your deadline with death.

00:20:11   It's actually quite a cute little app actually.

00:20:12   Oh man.

00:20:13   I think I'm because this is like.

00:20:18   God damn it Myke. This is one of these things where I am not going to be able to resist

00:20:24   installing this.

00:20:25   I've just bought it.

00:20:26   And I'm going to hate it every day.

00:20:28   I just bought it. I own it now.

00:20:30   Yeah. Okay. Great. Are you going to put your life in there or are you going to put the

00:20:33   year in there?

00:20:34   I don't know what I'm going to put in there. Maybe now I'm going to put in like fully vaccinated.

00:20:40   Hmm.

00:20:41   I think I might put that in there.

00:20:43   That's much more cheerful.

00:20:44   Widget Smith. I have a page of Widget Smith right now where there's like three countdown

00:20:50   widgets. I have like a page on my home screen. One is countdown to my second jab, then it's

00:20:56   countdown to fully vaccinated, and then countdown to a hopeful holiday that we would like to take.

00:21:04   B: How confident are you feeling about that?

00:21:06   You gotta give me odds here, Myke. Percentages.

00:21:11   M- Fifty-five.

00:21:12   55% that you will take the vacation?

00:21:16   Yeah, it's going down though.

00:21:18   It's going down though, okay.

00:21:19   It's going down.

00:21:22   So the vacation that we want to take, we want to go to Hawaii.

00:21:26   And things are moving in some level of like favor for us, because like Hawaii had its

00:21:32   own completely separate "you've got a test process" like than the rest of America.

00:21:38   No, Hawaii was not screwing around.

00:21:40   - No, I think great, you go for it Hawaii.

00:21:42   But they've actually just changed it.

00:21:44   So now all you need to do is just prove

00:21:46   your vaccinated status, right?

00:21:48   So some things are improving.

00:21:50   The issue we have right now is just,

00:21:52   legally I cannot go to America.

00:21:55   - Oh, right.

00:21:56   - That's the issue.

00:21:57   - Right, I forget this.

00:21:58   - As a non-US citizen, I legally cannot go, so.

00:22:03   - So yeah, that's gonna be--

00:22:04   - That's really gonna kinda mess it up.

00:22:07   (laughing)

00:22:09   [laughter]

00:22:11   Yeah, that's gonna be a problem.

00:22:13   If you want to take a trip to Hawaii, for sure, that's gonna get in your way.

00:22:18   [laughter]

00:22:21   I mean, I could go for you, but we all know how I feel about Hawaii.

00:22:25   So I'll pass on that, but...

00:22:27   So that's why your percentage is creeping down day by day.

00:22:31   - Because there's zero news on it. - Right. Yeah.

00:22:35   [laughter]

00:22:36   I'm sorry. I'm sorry to hear that. It's only at 55%. But this is like, okay. But so this is you have encapsulated exactly how I have been feeling for the past two months, which is in my head, I finally coalesce this under, oh, I've been living in the season of uncertainty.

00:22:55   That's what the past couple of months have been.

00:22:59   And some kinds of uncertainty are easy to deal with,

00:23:02   but I have found the current types of uncertainty

00:23:06   in all areas of my life just infuriating and frustrating

00:23:09   and very difficult to deal with.

00:23:11   - Yeah, I think we got used,

00:23:14   so there was like a lot of uncertainty, right?

00:23:16   Like we were dealing with just an obscene amount

00:23:18   of uncertainty for a long time.

00:23:21   Then it felt like things kind of calmed down for a while

00:23:24   and it felt like I know what this is all about, you know,

00:23:29   we just got to hunker down, settle in.

00:23:31   - Yeah, and also I would say like my experience

00:23:33   at the beginning was what I mean by like different kinds

00:23:36   of uncertainty.

00:23:37   My feeling at the start was, okay,

00:23:39   there is a lot of uncertainty about the pandemic,

00:23:42   but I am very certain that I'm not going outside, right?

00:23:47   So like, there's a way in which that's very easy

00:23:50   to deal with, like, cool, I'm just gonna stay here.

00:23:54   You're totally right, like things did level out eventually into just this is the routine

00:24:02   of life, but even at the start when uncertainty was high, I still felt like this is uncertainty

00:24:07   that I can deal with very easily.

00:24:09   Like my personality is tailor-made for this kind of uncertainty because part of it is

00:24:14   certain.

00:24:15   now that we're in the reverse of that, the coming out uncertainty I just find 10 times

00:24:25   more frustrating in every possible way. And also all of the things in my work life have

00:24:32   conspired to be uncertain difficult things to deal with as well. I don't know how you're

00:24:38   but I just, I find the planning, any kind of planning,

00:24:42   is just killing me.

00:24:45   - Yeah, yeah.

00:24:46   - I don't think we talked about it on the show,

00:24:48   or maybe I mentioned it in more text briefly,

00:24:50   but it like, it even just started with

00:24:53   trying to get my vaccine ended up being

00:24:56   just a real nightmare of a process

00:24:59   for like reasons I will not totally go into

00:25:01   'cause it's just nobody cares that much,

00:25:03   but I had messed up NHS records

00:25:06   and so I just wasn't able to book a vaccine appointment.

00:25:09   And they were like, "Well, we'll see if we can fix that in the system."

00:25:14   Who? Who's the we? When?

00:25:16   And they literally would tell me like, "I don't know, come back in a week and we'll see if it's fixed."

00:25:21   - "We'll just ask nicely." - Yeah, like, who would have been fixing it?

00:25:25   Like, I don't even understand. Like, I totally know you're either trying to get me off the phone

00:25:30   or when I went to my doctor to pester them in person.

00:25:32   Like, you're trying to get me out of this office. Like, nothing's going to happen.

00:25:36   I did eventually get that solved in like a weird, shenanigans kind of way, but like whatever. So

00:25:42   even just that of like, "Can I even get this vaccine?" was incredibly uncertain

00:25:46   and it like threw off all my timelines and then just like with your trip, I've had a bunch of

00:25:53   these things that are existing out in the future timeline of like, "Oh, maybe this will happen."

00:25:58   It's like, "Oh, there was a conference that was supposed to happen that I was really kind of

00:26:02   forward to, and it just kind of kept getting inched back and

00:26:06   inched back of like, Ooh, it won't quite happen now.

00:26:08   Maybe not quite happen now.

00:26:10   And then suddenly bam, four months in the future.

00:26:12   It's like, Oh my God, all of that stuff.

00:26:15   I just, I find so psychologically hard to deal with in, in a way that like, I

00:26:23   know it's disproportionate because nothing in my life has actually

00:26:27   changed on a day to day basis.

00:26:30   But this is definitely the part that I just have a much harder time with.

00:26:35   I just like to know, "Okay, when am I going to be traveling if it's on the horizon?"

00:26:43   And, "When am I gonna go see my family in America?"

00:26:46   It's been in my head under this vague category of "soon...", right?

00:26:53   But even now, as we currently record, there's a lot of questions about this new variant that seems to be spreading like wild.

00:26:59   and it's like "oh, okay, uh, you know, Myke don't count on the borders opening up anytime

00:27:06   soon to anyone from the UK going anywhere." So yeah, I don't know, I don't know about

00:27:11   you but like I've just found that really hard to deal with. It bizarrely just like disrupts

00:27:17   my regular time in a way that it totally shouldn't, but it just, it does, like it puts me in a

00:27:23   like a weird kind of mental chaos.

00:27:25   it was easier when it was harder in a way.

00:27:29   Like, mentally at points, I was able to kind of resign myself to this is just it for a long time, right?

00:27:40   Like an unknowable amount of time.

00:27:42   Like back in the time when people were like, "Hey, there might not be a vaccine for four years," or whatever, right?

00:27:49   Like, which is pretty early on.

00:27:50   And that was like, it friggin' sucked,

00:27:53   but I felt like I was at least like,

00:27:56   well I'm in this, this is it, this is what I'm in.

00:27:58   And it is that like, you feel like it's on the horizon,

00:28:05   but then the horizon just keeps moving.

00:28:09   Like we had this like when we were waiting

00:28:11   to get our first shot, which was,

00:28:15   it felt like it was for about six weeks,

00:28:19   it was always gonna be by the end of next week.

00:28:22   Like it just felt like surely it's gonna be

00:28:24   by the end of next week that we'll be able to book.

00:28:26   Oh no, oh okay.

00:28:27   Next week though, right?

00:28:28   Like, no, all right then.

00:28:30   Like it just felt like that kept going on

00:28:31   and on and on for a while.

00:28:33   And now it's like, okay, we now know the day

00:28:36   that we'll be like fully vaccinated.

00:28:39   But that kind of doesn't mean anything.

00:28:41   Just like you might be able to do all the things

00:28:45   you wanna do, but does the rest of the world

00:28:48   think you can or should.

00:28:49   - Yeah.

00:28:50   - We'll find out.

00:28:51   - Yeah, it's a weird thing to say,

00:28:55   but it totally is true that I've, you know,

00:28:57   rewind two months ago and I started to have the feeling

00:29:01   like, oh, this is all gonna be over soon, cool.

00:29:03   I can start making plans.

00:29:05   And then like, just like your trip to Hawaii,

00:29:08   day by day by like, oh, I'm 90% confident

00:29:11   this will all be over soon.

00:29:13   I'm 89% confident this will all be over soon.

00:29:17   I'm 88% confident, oh and a thing got canceled that I was planning on, oh okay well so then

00:29:22   that's not gonna happen that changes everything.

00:29:25   82% confident, like god damn it, it's so much worse.

00:29:32   You know where is it where is at the start where people were talking about oh they you

00:29:34   know we'll have a vaccine soon I was like what are you crazy I give it a one percent

00:29:38   chance we'll have a vaccine in five years.

00:29:41   I was like I was way wrong but that kind of planning is much simpler.

00:29:45   - But the one way I try and console myself a little bit

00:29:48   is like things change and have been changing so fast

00:29:51   in all directions.

00:29:52   - Yeah.

00:29:53   - Right, so it's like, it does feel like it's a bit bleaker

00:29:58   at the moment, especially in the UK,

00:30:00   it feels a little bit bleaker right now,

00:30:03   no matter what everyone else seems to be saying.

00:30:06   But things, they swing in all directions

00:30:11   and it is that like I remember the vaccine, right?

00:30:14   where it was like everyone just had their own opinion

00:30:16   as to whether it was gonna happen or not, if anytime soon.

00:30:18   And I remember I was a bit more optimistic than you.

00:30:20   We would talk about this, right?

00:30:23   But it was still like, there was just for a long time,

00:30:25   like, all right, we've got people working on it,

00:30:27   but who knows?

00:30:29   And it ended up, I think,

00:30:30   exceeding people's expectations on time

00:30:33   of when these things would be available.

00:30:36   And that was great and it's working great

00:30:38   and everyone should get one and it was awesome.

00:30:42   but now it just feels like it's closing in again.

00:30:47   It's uncomfortable.

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00:32:27   So the reason the reason that I'm calling this like the season of uncertainty though

00:32:32   is because it's just been like, you know,

00:32:36   you ask how I'm doing work-wise and it's like,

00:32:38   work-wise these past two months have just been the worst

00:32:43   of the last 18 months.

00:32:45   And it's because the uncertainty of the outside world

00:32:48   has also conspired with the uncertainty

00:32:51   of just like the stuff that I'm working on

00:32:53   and it's just, it's been so infuriating.

00:32:57   I was trying to look over my video catalog earlier today

00:33:00   And I was thinking about the last classic Gray Explains kind of video that went up was the metric paper video a while ago.

00:33:10   And that video was a big project. And after that went up, I was very conscious about, "You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna pick a couple nice easy videos."

00:33:21   Now of course, I know that I always think this and I also know that I'm very frequently

00:33:28   wrong about what will be an easy video.

00:33:30   I actually had a friend basically laugh in my face the other day when I told them about

00:33:34   like, "Oh, I'm gonna do this thing and it's gonna be an easy thing."

00:33:37   And he's like, "Do you know how many times I've heard that?

00:33:39   You're gonna pick an easy video?"

00:33:41   It's like two years later, you're still working on that thing.

00:33:44   Like I know that this is just a thing that happens, but looking over my video catalog,

00:33:50   I think I can confidently say that I have never been more wrong twice in a row about

00:34:00   this will be an easy video and it's the sharks video and then it's the one that I'm currently

00:34:05   working on trying to finish which I was maybe one of the most confident I've ever been would

00:34:11   be like, "Oh, this will be a nice simple video.

00:34:14   Look, this topic is already well known and you can just write your take on this little

00:34:19   thing and then it has exploded into literally going through hundreds of pages of medieval

00:34:28   documents and it's like oh no.

00:34:30   Do you not do this yourself though? Like did you have to go that far? Like if everyone

00:34:36   knows about it and it's simple like why not just put why not just restrain yourself?

00:34:40   Okay okay you know why Myke? Do you wanna know why you have to go this far? Because

00:34:45   look.

00:34:48   Because the abyss of what is true lies underneath every page of every book.

00:35:01   This is also why it's been the season of uncertainty.

00:35:04   I've complained about this kind of stuff before, but you think like, "What is true?

00:35:12   How do we know that a piece of information is true?"

00:35:16   part of the reason why these things always explode into much bigger projects, or I should say very

00:35:21   frequently, you know, sharks exploded into a whole other thing for different sorts of reasons.

00:35:25   But the current thing that I'm working on is totally like, what is true explosion?

00:35:31   Because I can't just let it go. Because I'll read about a topic and there'll be some sentence and

00:35:35   you'll go, "Huh, that's really interesting." And then one of two things pops into your head.

00:35:42   How do they know that sentence?

00:35:44   Right?

00:35:44   Or I would like to know more information about that sentence.

00:35:48   And that's, that's all it, that's all you need to start falling into the abyss of,

00:35:52   wait, how does anybody know anything?

00:35:54   And he just like, okay, let me give you an example.

00:35:59   I would love one.

00:35:59   This will need to be a little bit abstract because I don't want to give away the topic,

00:36:02   but I think I can make it clear enough.

00:36:04   So I'm trying to track down when was the first time a thing happened, right?

00:36:11   You go like, "Okay, things happen. When was the first time this thing happened?"

00:36:16   And there are a bunch of articles that will go like, "Oh, this thing happened in the Middle Ages."

00:36:22   "Oh, that's interesting. When? When in the Middle Ages?"

00:36:25   The Middle Ages is a range of time that's like 600 years wide.

00:36:30   So what year in the Middle Ages? How do you know? When did this occur?

00:36:34   And so you start to try to track it down. And when you try to track it down,

00:36:41   you immediately will run into references that go nowhere, or references that don't say the thing

00:36:47   that the original article says that it says. Which is always a particular delight, especially on

00:36:52   places like Wikipedia. I find it horrifying how many times you click the link that's the citation

00:36:56   link, it's like, "the webpage doesn't even mention the thing that this is citing." Like,

00:37:01   okay, I don't know how this citation got here, but it, you know, it looks like in school when

00:37:06   I would just fraudulently populate citations in my essays after I finished writing the essay.

00:37:11   You know, it's like, "Oh, the teacher needs citations.

00:37:13   I'm gonna bet they're not gonna check my citations, so whatever!"

00:37:16   You know, here's just a bunch of stuff.

00:37:19   So as an example, just trying to track down one thing in history.

00:37:24   When did this happen?

00:37:26   When was the first appearance of this thing?

00:37:29   Find that it's supposed to be sourced in this book that's in the Middle Ages.

00:37:33   It's like, "Oh, okay, cool.

00:37:35   Well, we'll track down this book."

00:37:37   But you can't find any originals of the book.

00:37:40   It turns out the originals of the book like don't really exist anymore.

00:37:44   And what you have, the only thing that exists in the modern world is like an annotated version

00:37:50   that some guy in the 1700s wrote.

00:37:54   And the thing that's supposed to have happened in the middle ages isn't in the book at all.

00:38:00   It's actually in a note that the editor made in the 1700s.

00:38:06   And so this is the problem.

00:38:08   You go, "Oh, wait a minute.

00:38:10   So all of these places that say this thing happened in the Middle Ages, the source that

00:38:14   they're pointing to never mentioned it.

00:38:17   It actually didn't show up until some dude like annotated the book hundreds of years

00:38:21   later.

00:38:22   And just like this is why I have particularly such a hard time with history because I cannot

00:38:30   tell you how often this occurs.

00:38:33   Where it's like, where did this come from?

00:38:36   A person said it.

00:38:37   Where did they say it?

00:38:38   in this book and you go to that book. Oh, somebody else said it is what that book said. Oh, okay,

00:38:43   cool. Let me find that book. Oh, yeah, a guy told me. Great. Who's the guy? Oh, I don't know.

00:38:49   When did he tell you? Oh, this is the primary source and it's a hundred years after the event

00:38:54   occurred. Fantastic. It's just like, I've really fallen down another one of these frustrating holes

00:39:00   And this is why it can't be easy, because then what happens is, okay, sure, I could

00:39:09   write another one of like this topic, like several people have written little articles about it.

00:39:14   It's why I thought it would be nice and easy. Sure, I could write a little script that covers

00:39:20   the same kinds of things, except that I would know now that it's full of total f***ing bullshit.

00:39:25   The things that they're referencing just aren't true.

00:39:28   Because I bothered to try to look.

00:39:31   Like, that's the thing that kills me.

00:39:33   Right, but you see, I understand where you're coming from.

00:39:36   You can stop, though, right?

00:39:38   Like, you can--

00:39:39   I cannot look? Right? That's what you're saying?

00:39:41   No, no, no, you could be like, you could look so far,

00:39:43   realize you're going down one of these holes, stop that,

00:39:46   and then when you're in the script to say, "It is said,"

00:39:49   it is argued, you know, you could--

00:39:50   But I know you don't want to do that.

00:39:52   That's the coward's way, right?

00:39:54   That's so cowardly.

00:39:56   If I would say efficient, because ultimately when you get into one of those

00:40:00   situations, it doesn't matter anymore anyway, because like, how would you ever

00:40:04   find the true, the actual answer?

00:40:06   Like once you start down one of these rabbit holes, you can't trust anything.

00:40:11   So like, why would you ever get to a point where you're able to trust something?

00:40:15   Well, at this point, me and my assistant, who has done a tremendous amount of work

00:40:22   in multiple languages, I'll just comment on this topic.

00:40:26   I think we have found the answer, and so that's why, right?

00:40:30   Maybe sometimes you can actually find an answer.

00:40:32   You think.

00:40:33   To a thing, yes.

00:40:34   I'll put it this way, at the very least, we have been able to establish a very early date

00:40:40   for when is the first time this thing occurred.

00:40:42   It's like, great.

00:40:43   Okay.

00:40:44   Right, so this is the problem.

00:40:46   It makes me think a lot about, it's just a general problem of knowledge work, right?

00:40:52   you can't estimate very well at all how long a knowledge work project will take.

00:41:00   And I think that that can be something like writing, it can be something like programming.

00:41:04   There's lots of jobs like this where you go, "Oh, how long will it take?"

00:41:08   Well, it might take two weeks if everything goes right. But if it doesn't go right,

00:41:12   it might take two years. And there's just no good way to know ahead of time when that's going to

00:41:18   occur. I think I have learned a little bit of a lesson from this one, which I've tried to formalize

00:41:26   as a policy within my company, which is, "Hey everyone, the next time I say this topic is going

00:41:34   to be easy, if the topic in any way at all is related to history, tell me no. Like, I'm not

00:41:44   allowed to do that. Well this is a minute ago I was going to say to you if you have this problem

00:41:49   why do you make history focused videos? Like if you don't like dealing with sources well then what

00:41:55   are you doing to yourself? Well I think part of it is there's a way in which it's not always obvious

00:42:02   if something is going to start relating to history. Like you just sort of think oh a person wrote in a

00:42:06   book about this thing that happened and it's like oh cool oh let me just double check right and then

00:42:10   it's all over. Let me just double check and it's like, oh no wait, there's no- history isn't real!

00:42:14   Like this is all just full of lies. So I do think that that is a thing that I have

00:42:20   like newly established as a please remind future me of this because I know that I will forget

00:42:27   and also there may be ways in which to other people it is much more clear, you know, this might

00:42:33   end up, you know, being history related in some way. Maybe don't, maybe don't pick this one.

00:42:39   - I don't think that this system's gonna work for you

00:42:42   as well as you think it will.

00:42:44   Because if you haven't realized it,

00:42:46   someone will say it to you,

00:42:47   and you just say, "No, it'll be fine."

00:42:49   (laughing)

00:42:51   Unless someone can actually stop you,

00:42:54   I don't think that this system--

00:42:54   - No one can stop me, Myke.

00:42:55   - Well, there you go.

00:42:56   So this system's not gonna work for you.

00:42:58   You'll be like, "Oh, I'm gonna make this video

00:42:59   about this thing, it's gonna be super easy,

00:43:01   this one's simple."

00:43:02   All they need to do is just find this,

00:43:04   and then someone's gonna say to you,

00:43:05   "Hey, no, this is a bad idea,

00:43:07   because you're gonna get stuck in this forever,"

00:43:09   and then you just say, "No, no, no, this is an easy one."

00:43:12   (laughing)

00:43:13   There isn't, there's no checks and balances in this system.

00:43:16   - Yeah, I mean, Myke, here's a literal thing that happened.

00:43:18   How difficult can it be to find the skull of a person

00:43:21   from the year 1300, right?

00:43:23   How hard can that be? (laughing)

00:43:25   - Incredibly hard. (laughing)

00:43:28   How is this a question that you can just pose?

00:43:30   (laughing)

00:43:32   - So anyway, that's the kind of thing that pops up.

00:43:34   (laughing)

00:43:36   So like, here's the thing.

00:43:37   I do know what you're saying.

00:43:39   I get it.

00:43:40   But I also think this sort of thing exists everywhere.

00:43:45   I just, I'm a bit of a glutton for punishment

00:43:49   with the history stuff and it makes me so mad.

00:43:51   Like I can't even begin to tell you how angry it makes me

00:43:54   when people write history books.

00:43:55   And it's like, none of these sources check out.

00:43:58   Like what are you even,

00:43:59   why are you writing a history book?

00:44:02   But all topics have this exact same thing.

00:44:05   Like even I think something like my beloved personal opposite of history, you take something

00:44:11   like physics, and even there, very quickly, you can start running into this exact same

00:44:16   problem of, "Well, what do you mean by that word?"

00:44:20   Right?

00:44:21   Or just like, you know, the metric paper video, how do you want to phrase the state of knowledge

00:44:26   around here?

00:44:27   It's a little bit better on the what is true dimension, but it still butts up against the

00:44:33   same kind of problem and like what is the way that you talk about it? How confident

00:44:38   is your ability to talk about it in this way? So I just think there's almost nothing that

00:44:43   doesn't come against this in in some way and yeah it's it's just been part of this like

00:44:49   season of uncertainty that the Sharks project was filled with a lot of uncertainty for different

00:44:54   sorts of reasons and the current project has just been real frustrating where it seems

00:44:59   like, "what an easy topic!" I was like, "oh god, none of this checks out!" Even the very thing that

00:45:04   I thought was like, "oh here's a definitive statement that someone in the modern day said

00:45:08   about a thing!" and it's like, "oh let me look up what she actually said!" Oh, she didn't say the

00:45:12   thing all the articles say that she said, which started this whole thing like, "god f***ing damn

00:45:15   it!" It's so infuriating. Also, just as a sidebar here, which we don't need to get derailed by, but

00:45:23   when I'm in the middle of all this stuff, I can never help but think, I can't believe that people

00:45:28   just want companies like YouTube and Facebook to be able to decide what is true and remove

00:45:34   untrue things from their platforms? Like, do people have any idea how difficult this is as

00:45:39   a problem to solve? You're like, oh, I just like, they should just remove the things that aren't

00:45:43   true. And when I talk to people who think that it always ends up that what they actually mean is,

00:45:47   well, I know everything that's true, so Facebook should just remove the things that I don't agree

00:45:52   with. And it's like, oh, god damn it. This is like the seed of the issue I was having a while ago

00:45:57   with news. Because a lot of the time, truth is defined by what people's belief system

00:46:05   is, and that's super tricky. It's like, when I say everything that's true, it's everything

00:46:11   I believe and agree with. If two sides of a thing both believe something's true, it

00:46:17   can be really tricky to point at truth. You have to point at logic and I don't know, it's

00:46:22   messy.

00:46:23   I think it goes deeper than perhaps you should think about, you know, on that question.

00:46:28   But it's also why I just find it outrageous when people are like,

00:46:31   "Oh, I just want YouTube to remove misinformation."

00:46:34   It's like, "Oh, cool. I didn't know YouTube had the canonical truth about everything in the universe.

00:46:42   Boy, we should ask YouTube the answer to all of the questions that we don't know about.

00:46:46   Like, boy, they should have just told us everything about the pandemic or whatever.

00:46:51   Like, everything about the current political state in every country in the world.

00:46:55   Like, YouTube knows that? Wow! That's incredibly impressive.

00:46:59   What a fount of knowledge they are. Great, Facebook could just take all the things that

00:47:03   aren't true off their platform. What an incredible gift to humanity Facebook can perform.

00:47:09   Or, wait a minute, is this like an incredibly difficult problem that really comes down to

00:47:16   individual people making calls that they like, right? Or that are what most people want them

00:47:27   to make. Like that's a very different kind of thing and so I'm always just- I'm just

00:47:31   shocked at how quick people are to join the like "Oh, just remove the untrue thing."

00:47:38   - And this is super different, like this conversation, because I think people hear these things in

00:47:42   in certain ways, like we know what we believe to be true.

00:47:46   That's not the question.

00:47:48   It's like, but then is what is the objective truth?

00:47:50   And what about when things change?

00:47:52   And what about when we don't know all of the things

00:47:54   that we think we know?

00:47:55   And like this pandemic is like the perfect example of this.

00:47:58   Where like at the beginning,

00:47:59   people were told not to wear masks, right?

00:48:02   And then we were told it was transferred by surfaces.

00:48:06   And then it turns out, oh no, that was wrong as well.

00:48:08   Human understanding only goes so far

00:48:10   we pick up things and we learn and adapt over time, so trying to ascribe truth to everything

00:48:16   all the time can actually be an incredibly hard thing to do when we're still learning.

00:48:20   B: Yeah, oh yeah. This is also season of uncertainty, like, many things are really uncertain,

00:48:26   but it's alarming how fast people are willing to jump on the like, "Oh, this is- we know this now,

00:48:33   right? So you can't- you can't say anything that's not this thing." It's like, "Oh, okay,

00:48:37   boy, I hope we got it right the first time. It's absolutely shocking. So it's just one of these

00:48:43   things that floats through my mind as I'm just trying to work on some like what I thought would

00:48:48   be innocent and fun little video and just get infuriated with sloppily written books or articles

00:48:54   on a thing and you know that all just repeat each other in a circle and no one went to go look at

00:49:00   the book that they all think they're referencing. I don't even know how this happens. It's so

00:49:04   so infuriating. But yeah, I just feel particularly frustrated because, especially after sharks,

00:49:10   which was just very hard, which was supposed to be an easy video after metric paper, which

00:49:15   was like two years in the making, or 10 years if you want to count like developing it from

00:49:20   one of the lessons that I taught, it's like "Oh, I'll have something easy!" and then

00:49:23   it was sharks. It's like "Oh, that was terrible. That was a terrible experience."

00:49:27   And they're like "Okay, I know this one will be easy." And it's like "No, you

00:49:31   lose again. You lose so hard. And also, here's your monthly dose of falling down the into

00:49:39   the abyss of what is true dimension. Like, oh, great. Here we are again in this situation.

00:49:46   So yeah, it's not been an amazing two months work-wise. And it's been on my mind now that

00:49:54   maybe all of this is coming to an end, but maybe not. I'm just trying to think about

00:49:58   stuff like, you know, Myke has his cool office space.

00:50:02   One of the things I was doing at the start of all of this was

00:50:05   investigating office spaces.

00:50:06   And it's like, is that a project that I start again?

00:50:08   So this home office has been fantastic to me.

00:50:12   I think, I think I've literally done some of the best work thus far in

00:50:16   my career in this home office.

00:50:18   It's been amazing.

00:50:19   But do I want to be in this home office indefinitely, forever?

00:50:26   No, I definitely don't.

00:50:28   but you know I just I find it impossible to plan or to think about like what would it mean to try

00:50:35   to find another office space and I don't know I'm just kind of bummed about that because I'm just

00:50:39   not in a I feel like I'm in a no-win situation for trying to find an office space so that's just kind

00:50:46   of frustrating it's like oh I don't want to only have my home office as the working space but

00:50:50   there's just no good solution for finding something outside of my home space even if I was comfortable

00:50:57   like going out and checking out office spaces right now, which I'm still not quite comfortable

00:51:02   doing, so I don't know. That's just like a whole other thing.

00:51:05   I mean it probably is a good time to look.

00:51:07   [sigh]

00:51:10   Yeah, I know what you're saying, but the problem that I'm in here is that I just don't think

00:51:17   I can reasonably work in the kinds of offices I've worked in the past in the future. I think

00:51:24   my needs for private and separate space are just too high at this point, and where I am

00:51:32   there's just, you know, there's just no office space that's like that.

00:51:35   Yeah, you're not gonna get something like that within any kind of reasonable budget

00:51:39   range.

00:51:40   Yes, that's the key thing.

00:51:43   It may exist for many orders of magnitude more than I am able to spend on office space

00:51:49   and still be able to turn a profit on the business.

00:51:52   So that's one of the other things that's just been in the back of my mind and sort of frustrating.

00:51:56   It's like, well, I know there's no good solution to this, but it still is like this little

00:52:01   thorn that I keep thinking about of, I do want to work outside of the home, but what

00:52:06   does that mean?

00:52:07   What could you reasonably rent to do something like that?

00:52:11   Oh, nothing.

00:52:13   Is there something that you could buy like Myke and maybe buy an office space at some

00:52:16   point in the future?

00:52:17   It's like, uh, no.

00:52:18   It's gonna be worse for you than it is for me.

00:52:22   Oh I know, yeah, it's hilariously impossible.

00:52:26   Again just where I am centrally located it tends to be like, if you want to purchase,

00:52:30   you're purchasing the floor of a skyscraper or nothing.

00:52:35   Like that's what it is.

00:52:37   So yeah it's just I find that just like a really frustrating extra level of uncertainty

00:52:41   that I just really have no idea what to do about so...

00:52:44   - It's time to consider the outer rim.

00:52:46   (sighs)

00:52:49   - I know.

00:52:52   - So it's the only thing you can do.

00:52:54   I'm in the outer rim and I'm struggling,

00:52:56   if I look around there's barely anything for me.

00:52:59   - Yeah.

00:53:00   - You're never gonna find,

00:53:01   and I'll tell you right now,

00:53:03   you will never get a private office in central London

00:53:06   within a budget range that you're willing to accept.

00:53:08   I will tell you this categorically right now.

00:53:11   It's never going to happen for you.

00:53:12   - Right, but also Myke, I don't wanna move

00:53:16   out of central London.

00:53:18   - You don't have to move.

00:53:19   Like commuting is a thing people do.

00:53:22   That is an option for you.

00:53:24   - Right, but I know how far you are out

00:53:26   and that's not a daily commute that I want to do.

00:53:30   - I'm not far, but also like you can get to one of the

00:53:35   major train lines that take you into different parts

00:53:38   of London.

00:53:39   As long as you get the train at the right time,

00:53:40   You could be there every 15 minutes or whatever.

00:53:44   - Maybe.

00:53:45   Maybe that, maybe like-

00:53:46   - How fast you can get to the airport.

00:53:48   - Yeah.

00:53:49   I'll get an office at the airport.

00:53:52   - There you go.

00:53:53   Easy, I'm sure that's the justice check.

00:53:54   - Cortex listeners, if in the future

00:53:57   you suspiciously hear a plane every 15 minutes,

00:53:59   you know what I've done.

00:54:01   - Greg Gotti's airport office.

00:54:03   - Yeah.

00:54:07   I mean, maybe-

00:54:09   I think you need to start taking a look at train lines and then identify some areas around

00:54:15   train stations that are outside of central London and then start trying to look in those

00:54:21   areas.

00:54:22   Right.

00:54:23   But isn't that also just silly and absurd?

00:54:25   Like isn't there something that's just ridiculous about that?

00:54:28   I think that feels ridiculous.

00:54:30   I don't know.

00:54:31   What's ridiculous about it?

00:54:32   It feels ridiculous because in some ways it's like, dude, just move.

00:54:38   this weird reverse commute is just ridiculous. It seems like a silly thing to do, like you

00:54:44   should just move closer to where you are.

00:54:46   I mean, yeah, but it depends on what you're looking for. I think that this would probably

00:54:52   be the start of you considering moving, which is like a similar thing to what we're going

00:54:57   through because we're also thinking about moving, right? Like we always had planned

00:55:03   to be in our apartment for five years and then we wanted to get a house and so to get

00:55:07   that we're gonna move further away from like still in South London but further

00:55:12   away from Central is the plan because then you know the further you are away

00:55:16   the more your money can get you right yeah and so that's the thing that we're

00:55:22   starting to consider the last year and a half is kind of proven to us that that

00:55:26   would be perfectly fine because like we don't actually need to go into London

00:55:29   for anything we can just go whenever we want but we're looking to kind of stay

00:55:34   on a main train line so it's easy enough for us to do it but like I think it would make sense for you

00:55:39   to try and get an office in a different part of London to then realize why you might want to be

00:55:46   out of central London or what the benefits to you would be for being out of central London.

00:55:50   Yeah I know you're right I know you're right but there's some part of my brain which goes

00:55:55   oh if you move out of zone one because it's cheaper why don't you just move to Wyoming

00:56:03   Like, there's some part of my brain that just says that.

00:56:06   - I've been having this thought recently too.

00:56:08   - Okay, tell me your thoughts on this.

00:56:09   - So I've been thinking about the things

00:56:12   that I think are, like I find important.

00:56:14   What I consider as like the things that I hold

00:56:18   to make me feel comfortable and what I would like.

00:56:21   And what I would like is more space

00:56:24   and I really enjoy peace and quiet in my home life.

00:56:29   I don't like to be bogged by other people.

00:56:33   I don't like outside sound.

00:56:35   I like kind of when I'm at home

00:56:37   to just be secluded in a way.

00:56:42   So when we're looking to buy,

00:56:44   I kind of want to try and find a home

00:56:46   that's not like a terraced house.

00:56:48   We have a lot of terraced houses here in London.

00:56:51   Because you've got people on both sides of you.

00:56:53   We've been very lucky in our apartment building

00:56:55   that we've actually, we haven't had any problem neighbors

00:56:58   or anything like that.

00:56:59   But this is a thing I've experienced in the past.

00:57:02   And so I was kind of thinking about this recently,

00:57:05   of like, what if we just moved to the middle of nowhere

00:57:10   kind of places?

00:57:12   Again, it's just something I've had in my mind.

00:57:14   I don't think I want to do it yet.

00:57:16   I think it could be maybe something

00:57:19   that I would try and bring to the family council

00:57:24   at some point in the future, like much later in life,

00:57:27   if it's something that I still want,

00:57:29   to be in a more secluded part of the world.

00:57:33   I feel like this is maybe just a thing

00:57:34   that a lot of people get into as they get older.

00:57:37   But yes, to echo that point, yeah, why not just move to,

00:57:41   I don't know why we picked Wyoming,

00:57:42   but why not just move to Wyoming?

00:57:44   - Because it's beautiful

00:57:45   and you can go there and be a cowboy.

00:57:46   - Okay, cool, I mean,

00:57:47   I don't really know anything about Wyoming, honestly.

00:57:49   - Myke, their slogan is, "Forever West."

00:57:52   Come on, that's amazing.

00:57:54   - None of that really means anything to me.

00:57:58   Again, like, just you saying Forever West, it's zero to me.

00:58:01   Like, I have no attachment to this.

00:58:04   - You don't culturally understand.

00:58:05   - No, it doesn't, I don't really get it.

00:58:07   But so, you could do that,

00:58:09   but that's maybe a bit too extreme

00:58:11   when there is an opportunity for that kind of middle.

00:58:15   There is a middle opportunity,

00:58:17   which is like, you can still be in and around the thing.

00:58:21   I mean, why do you even want to be in central London anymore?

00:58:25   Like what is the thing that makes you want to be there?

00:58:28   - It's an interesting question.

00:58:29   And I can't answer it any better than simply to say,

00:58:34   I really like it.

00:58:35   I really like living in central London.

00:58:37   I've talked about moving and the ultimate thing is just,

00:58:41   I like it and I'm not ready to go.

00:58:44   Like I would be sad if I left.

00:58:46   And that's not an amazing reason.

00:58:49   There's nothing specific in there.

00:58:50   Like if you're making a pro and con list.

00:58:52   - It's emotional, you can't explain it.

00:58:53   and that's important.

00:58:56   So this is why I maybe recommend

00:58:58   thinking about that reverse commute

00:59:00   and seeing how that feels.

00:59:02   'Cause there are lots of pockets of London

00:59:04   that have some of the benefits that you'd be looking for,

00:59:07   like nice places to walk around in,

00:59:10   there's interesting things,

00:59:12   but they're just not skyscrapers.

00:59:14   - I think maybe part of, if I try to coalesce it,

00:59:18   I feel like one of the nice things about London

00:59:21   is that the interesting density is very high just geographically.

00:59:28   You know, like that's always the advantage that a big city has is

00:59:31   like interesting density is high.

00:59:33   But that's probably about as well as I could put it.

00:59:36   But I think that's, this is partly why my inclination is, has always been

00:59:42   like, I don't like middle way solutions.

00:59:45   I like to min max stuff.

00:59:47   So it's like, Oh, the city is great because interesting density is very

00:59:51   high, I just like it. A city is a very particular kind of way of living. You have to minimize

00:59:58   a lot in order to do it, including your ability to save, like it's very expensive, like

01:00:03   there's a whole bunch of really good reasons not to live in a city, but you're maximizing

01:00:07   the benefits that you get out of a city. But it's why when I think about "oh, moving

01:00:13   out a little," my brain goes "yeah, yeah, no, no, min-max the other way, right? Go to

01:00:19   place where you can get the maximum space, right, where you could have a house that is exactly the

01:00:25   way that you want it because you can just get a whole bunch of space because land is really cheap

01:00:29   and like min-max in the opposite direction if you're going to make a change, I just

01:00:35   temperamentally don't love the middle solution. So I think that's part of the reason why like

01:00:42   I'm also resistant to leaving because I'm not ready to min-max in the other way right now.

01:00:50   And so I think that's, if I'm trying to articulate it, it's partly why like, oh, the office space

01:00:56   that's the reverse commute feels a little bit like the middle path, but maybe you're right.

01:01:01   Maybe I should just give it a try and see how it is.

01:01:03   - Well, you can't min-max the office.

01:01:05   - What do you mean?

01:01:06   - You can't do the min-max of an office space.

01:01:09   - Yeah, yeah, I mean, I can get the minimum amount of space

01:01:13   with the maximum amount of money is the kind of--

01:01:15   - I actually don't even think that this option

01:01:17   is available to you.

01:01:19   Even the minimum amount of office space

01:01:21   that would be acceptable to you

01:01:23   when a walking distance of where you live

01:01:25   would be outside of the budget that you could afford,

01:01:29   not even would want to.

01:01:30   Just 'cause of like, it will be even rarer to find,

01:01:35   so someone with more money's already got it.

01:01:38   - Yes, exactly.

01:01:39   And so this is what, like the min max of the office

01:01:43   is probably what I'm talking about.

01:01:45   Right, because this is still a thing

01:01:48   like having any kind of like private space

01:01:52   is really expensive anyway.

01:01:53   No matter where you are in London,

01:01:56   'cause everything is trying to find it,

01:01:57   it's impossible to find it.

01:01:59   Unless you wanna open a tiny little store.

01:02:02   - Right, unless you wanna commit fraud.

01:02:04   - I feel like we need to look into this.

01:02:07   Is this feasible?

01:02:10   I feel like I need to get an answer to that.

01:02:13   Because we technically do own a retail brand now in a way.

01:02:18   So we have stock.

01:02:20   - This could be the fun start of a long battle

01:02:22   with a local council.

01:02:24   That's the way this could go.

01:02:26   (laughing)

01:02:27   - That's exactly what we've been looking for.

01:02:29   - Right, how much of a store is a store?

01:02:33   We can have this be a philosophical question.

01:02:35   (laughing)

01:02:36   We could have two outlets, Ethan, you know?

01:02:38   - Yeah.

01:02:39   - I have an outlet and you have an outlet, perfect.

01:02:41   - Yeah, that could work.

01:02:43   I will tell you, there is one real definitive advantage

01:02:46   that I can mention with being in central London,

01:02:49   which is that it makes traveling everywhere super easy.

01:02:54   Like, I do really like that.

01:02:56   I feel like London is an amazing jump off point

01:02:59   for going to lots of different places

01:03:02   because London has direct flights in the world

01:03:04   like everywhere and also living on GMT makes traveling to lots of places very easy to do

01:03:11   as well as long as you're willing to hold the time zone.

01:03:13   I don't know how far you think South London is. Add 30 minutes to the journey. That's

01:03:21   all it is. If you're gonna travel for nine hours an extra half an hour is not that bad.

01:03:28   No, that's the killer one.

01:03:30   I don't know what you think, like, is happening here.

01:03:33   [laughter]

01:03:35   Myke, like, once you're off the plane, it's like you wanna be done, right?

01:03:39   That's the plane travel is the only travel, then that's it, like the...

01:03:43   -Mm-hmm. -...the traveling across the city

01:03:47   and then down south afterward? Forget it. -Down south.

01:03:50   I don't wanna do that. [laughter]

01:03:54   You act like I don't know where you are. I know exactly where you are.

01:03:56   [laughter]

01:03:57   I've been out there.

01:03:59   We pack supplies.

01:04:00   - Oh my god.

01:04:01   [laughter]

01:04:02   - No, like, all joking aside, I mean this in the sense of why do I want to stay in London

01:04:10   just full stop, right?

01:04:12   I'm not like seriously saying no South London thing.

01:04:15   This is the why not travel to some place with like local.

01:04:18   - But I as a subscribe to all of this, like, I'm totally in on this.

01:04:22   And like even when I talk about moving out to more space, London's really big.

01:04:27   Like it's bigger than you think, like than a lot of people think, and you can still like

01:04:31   quote be in London and live in a very different set of circumstances.

01:04:36   Yeah, it is it is something that for people who visit the city, you just don't realize

01:04:40   that the geographical area of this like the geographical area that the tube covers is

01:04:45   huge.

01:04:46   Like it's like the the actual area is much bigger than New York City is like it's the

01:04:51   same number of people but they're just spread out over a much larger area.

01:04:55   And yeah, there's a lot of different kinds of living situations within the city.

01:04:58   I just meant it in terms of, "Oh, if I move to Wyoming, it'll be a lot more difficult

01:05:03   to travel to places."

01:05:04   That would be a real inconvenience.

01:05:06   Yeah, because then you connect in flights.

01:05:07   If you've got to get connected in flights, then we're into a different…

01:05:10   You know, it's like I felt like, what would it be like to maybe move to a different part

01:05:14   of the United Kingdom?

01:05:16   But that's further than I'm thinking even would consider right now.

01:05:20   Much love to the rest of the UK, but then we're in that problem of like, do I need

01:05:23   to connect to Heathrow to go to somewhere, right? And it's like, I don't want to do that.

01:05:28   And the answer is yes. The answer is 100% of the time, yes.

01:05:31   Yeah, you always need to connect. I don't like connecting flights, not because of the

01:05:35   time, just because of the aggravation, the stress, you know?

01:05:38   And the uncertainty. I can make that connection.

01:05:39   That I hate that feeling. I mean, this is, I mean, this all stems from the first time

01:05:43   I went to America, I missed my connecting flight.

01:05:45   You've been traumatized ever since.

01:05:47   So like I have this inbuilt trauma of being stuck in Philadelphia and I had no idea what

01:05:55   I was doing or where I was going in the hotel.

01:05:58   It was like a whole mess, just like a big mess.

01:06:01   So like I've experienced it and it's horrible so I try to avoid it and having to connect

01:06:06   before I've even gone over the Atlantic feels like horror to me.

01:06:11   Yeah, that's not a great situation to do that.

01:06:16   Scotland. You don't want to live up in the moors? But this is I think Scotland's beautiful and I

01:06:21   guess like this this again this other thing of like even going to another big city right that's

01:06:27   not London but it's still just not it's just not what I want. Yeah this is the season of uncertainty

01:06:33   it's just it's just very frustrating trying to make any kind of plans and thinking about the

01:06:39   future and I feel like I'll be very happy to fast forward two months.

01:06:47   I feel like maybe I will live to regret these words but I feel reasonably confident that

01:06:52   in two months time the uncertainty level will dramatically drop.

01:06:57   We'll know more about the state of the world.

01:07:00   Without a doubt the current video project will be published and I will 100% have correctly

01:07:07   chosen. Finally, a nice easy video to do after the current project. There's no way that I'm

01:07:14   going to make a mistake in that selection. Hopefully some travel plans will actually

01:07:18   be set in the calendar so I can know what my life looks like. So yeah, I'm confident

01:07:26   that two months from now, the season of uncertainty will 100... 85%, maybe 60% be over.

01:07:35   I just made a note for myself for episode 120.

01:07:40   Check Grey's statements at the end of the uncertainty discussion.

01:07:46   I think that's a really good thing to do.

01:07:47   Like I'm a big fan - I'm sure people who listen can hear it - but I'm a big fan of trying

01:07:53   to express things in bets and percentages and I also think it is - it's not always easy

01:08:00   to do but I do try sometimes to write down the like guesses at certain points in time

01:08:06   and I think it really it's really helpful to like sharpen your thinking and it's it's

01:08:11   something that I've done really starting this year is to try and be like make a note of

01:08:17   what probability you give to a future outcome at a certain period in time and I think I

01:08:22   think it's an interesting and new sort of way that it feels like to me to connect your

01:08:28   future and past selves again, you know, a bit like having a notebook at all. So I like

01:08:33   that you are you're making a note there to check in with me on is the season of uncertainty

01:08:38   over in two months. Very confident it will be. I can't wait to find out what my future

01:08:46   video project will be then. Nice and easy.

01:08:49   Nice and easy. No history.

01:08:52   No history.

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01:10:36   So I have a #AskCORTEX question that I actually think dovetails quite nicely with our uncertainty

01:10:42   to discussion. It comes from M55 who says "Has the pandemic made you feel less motivated

01:10:49   in your work?"

01:10:51   How would you answer that?

01:10:52   - So I recently had a feeling and stated it out loud

01:10:57   and felt it a little bit since then.

01:11:01   And I don't know if it's related to this,

01:11:03   but it is something that I've noticed

01:11:06   where I think that right now

01:11:09   I am doing the best work of my life.

01:11:11   - Really?

01:11:12   - I feel like right now in a lot of the projects

01:11:15   that I'm doing, I think I'm putting in as much work

01:11:19   I've ever put in them, if not more. I think the output's good and I feel like I'm split

01:11:27   across a few different areas that are all going well and are making me feel good about

01:11:32   them. I don't think that this is necessarily because of the pandemic, but I have been,

01:11:39   because of it, nudged in certain directions. And this is kind of how I've come out. I think

01:11:45   I'm doing right now, like some of the best stuff that I've done.

01:11:50   And I don't think that that's something that I necessarily feel like it's just

01:11:54   because of time and experience. Cause I haven't always felt like I can look back

01:11:58   at different times in my professional career and feel like some things were

01:12:02   better than others at different times.

01:12:04   But right now I feel like by and large the stuff that I'm doing is as good as

01:12:08   it's ever been.

01:12:09   When you say nudged in certain directions, like what do you,

01:12:12   what do you mean by that?

01:12:13   I think I've accelerated some projects out of fear.

01:12:17   And I've also had a unbroken amount of time

01:12:23   to put things in action.

01:12:25   I was meant to mention this when we were talking

01:12:28   about working life patterns and stuff,

01:12:30   which is like, I have not taken a vacation

01:12:33   since January, 2020.

01:12:35   It was the last time I took a vacation.

01:12:37   So that has its own problems,

01:12:40   which I am looking to address.

01:12:43   But other than vacation, it sounds a bit harsh.

01:12:46   I was thinking the work travel, right?

01:12:48   Which is probably a better point to mention here.

01:12:50   - Yeah, yeah.

01:12:51   - That I haven't had these big chunks of the year

01:12:53   that have been broken up because of me having less focus

01:12:57   on not being able to put the same level of focus

01:12:59   on something 'cause I'm somewhere else

01:13:00   doing a different thing.

01:13:02   And I think that that has helped,

01:13:05   but I don't think it's because of that, but it's helped.

01:13:07   And then it's stuff like all of the membership content,

01:13:11   it's just additional things that I'm working hard to try and make as good as it can be.

01:13:15   Yeah, I feel pretty good about the stuff that I'm doing and the areas that I'm

01:13:21   working in.

01:13:21   And so I would say probably like the pandemic has helped in my motivation.

01:13:28   And I think some of that motivation, as I say, came from like fear and uncertainty.

01:13:33   But right now I feel pretty content with the stuff that I'm up to.

01:13:36   It's interesting that you, yeah, I just think it's interesting.

01:13:38   you don't think that it's because of the pandemic,

01:13:41   but like the pandemic is a facilitating event, I guess.

01:13:46   Yeah, and you sure we're busting your butt

01:13:48   over the membership stuff at the beginning of all of this.

01:13:51   - Yeah, it's good 'cause this is,

01:13:52   I don't think any of the things that I'm doing

01:13:54   are things I wouldn't have done.

01:13:56   But they probably wouldn't have all started

01:13:58   and happened at the same time.

01:14:00   Like it was like an acceleration effect.

01:14:04   - And so you just feel like also just the,

01:14:06   like the podcasts that you're making are better?

01:14:08   Like when you just say it's like the best work of your life,

01:14:11   is it content wise and business wise?

01:14:13   Is that what you mean?

01:14:14   - Yeah, I think that, I mean, this is always,

01:14:17   it's difficult to say, right?

01:14:18   'Cause people are gonna have different opinions.

01:14:20   Like I have no doubt that there are people like,

01:14:22   no, Myke's shows used to be better.

01:14:24   'Cause that's just how it is, right?

01:14:25   Like I want the old Myke back,

01:14:27   whatever that might have been, you know?

01:14:28   - Right, whatever that might have been

01:14:29   in that person's memory as well.

01:14:31   - Exactly.

01:14:32   - Is the point.

01:14:33   - And I have no doubt about that.

01:14:34   and that doesn't bother me honestly.

01:14:36   But for me personally, my own sense of satisfaction,

01:14:40   I feel very happy with what I'm putting out right now

01:14:43   across all the different shows that I work on.

01:14:45   I feel very good about the work.

01:14:49   And I don't always feel good about the work, right?

01:14:53   But I do, I feel good about the work

01:14:55   and then I feel like my other ventures are going well, right?

01:15:00   I feel like Cortex brand is going really well,

01:15:02   like we're in a better position than I think we thought

01:15:05   we would have been at this point.

01:15:06   Plus, I'm feeling like I'm learning so much

01:15:10   and having that feeling of feeling a bit more confident

01:15:15   and in control of stuff than I did before.

01:15:19   And then even kind of like my hobby type things, right?

01:15:23   So like the Twitch streaming, I'm like really enjoying it

01:15:26   and it's going great for me.

01:15:28   I think they're all coming together pretty well.

01:15:31   - That's really good to hear.

01:15:32   Maybe this is something you shouldn't say out loud, you know?

01:15:34   I'll find out, I suppose, but it is how I feel about my work right now.

01:15:39   Yeah, yeah. It can be difficult to talk about this stuff.

01:15:43   Like, especially when you just, you know that there is the inevitable

01:15:48   judgment by the audience about, like, their own feelings when you say,

01:15:52   "Oh, I'm making the best stuff that I've ever made."

01:15:56   Like, you will hear from everyone who disagrees.

01:15:58   Yeah, but my feeling is that I read these comments all the time anyway.

01:16:03   So like, but it hasn't changed my opinion.

01:16:05   That's good. Like I'm glad to hear that as well, because that's the kind of thing that you need as the creator,

01:16:10   is to be able to separate yourself from that a little bit.

01:16:12   Yeah, it's interesting.

01:16:15   I think about that because like, as much as I have complained about it,

01:16:19   I think that sharks video of mine is maybe one of my favorite videos that I've made in a long time.

01:16:23   Oh, it's so good, man.

01:16:24   It just came together exactly the way I was hoping.

01:16:28   Like there's a couple minor things that I would tweak, but, you know,

01:16:32   most of the time when I make a video, I'm like, "I never want to look at that again."

01:16:35   But I actually have re-watched the shark video a few times.

01:16:38   I'm like, "No, that came out great."

01:16:39   Like, "I'm pretty happy with that."

01:16:40   And like that definitely wouldn't have happened without the pandemic for sure.

01:16:46   I wouldn't say that the pandemic has made me feel less motivated in my work.

01:16:51   I feel...

01:16:52   [sighs]

01:16:54   I think I feel...

01:16:58   some combination of...

01:17:01   more motivated.

01:17:02   I think in the past year I've been, like...

01:17:05   just been thinking about potential future projects a lot more intensely than I have

01:17:12   in the past.

01:17:13   So I don't know, I feel like there's more of a motivation to get things done combined

01:17:21   with a little bit of this frustration as always of like, "Oh, I just work slow?"

01:17:28   But also a kind of acceptance of that.

01:17:31   But I don't know, I feel like that's also just been my arc for like the past two years

01:17:37   in general.

01:17:38   I don't know, I don't feel like the pandemic has really changed my feelings one way or

01:17:47   the other.

01:17:48   With a few things that I wanted to work on, it disrupted plans, but I think I'm just

01:17:53   on the same kind of arc that I've been on for the past couple years, and the pandemic

01:17:57   hasn't really affected things one way or the other.

01:18:00   S: Louis had a question about the sharks video, actually.

01:18:04   Gray mentioned how he avoids unnecessarily referencing dates in his videos but in sharks

01:18:09   he says you must go see them this month. Was this intentional or was it unnoticed?

01:18:15   B: There's nothing in the videos that's unnoticed like that I'm saying out loud.

01:18:19   E; Yeah yeah everything's intentional.

01:18:21   B; Of course except for the things that are unintentional.

01:18:23   E; In the podcast there can be things.

01:18:25   B; Yes.

01:18:26   E; Because they're different because it's like Stemporaneous versus very well planned

01:18:30   and edit it and edit it and edit it and then record it and edit it and edit it, you know?

01:18:34   It's different.

01:18:35   B: Right, yeah.

01:18:36   Or again, if I had my way with the podcast, I would have just re-recorded that entire

01:18:39   section of me talking about magic and go "No, that was awful.

01:18:42   I'm gonna re-record all my lines explaining it again."

01:18:46   And that's why podcasts can exist.

01:18:47   Yeah, it was funny because when we were talking about that, I already knew that that line

01:18:51   was going to be in the video.

01:18:53   I was aware like "Oh, I bet people are gonna pick up on this when it actually comes out."

01:18:57   cortexins who are paying attention.

01:18:59   Like, my whole thing about timeless content is about

01:19:04   thinking about if you need to reference a specific time

01:19:08   and my annoyance with content that needlessly places itself at an exact moment in time.

01:19:16   And the sharks video was intrinsically about that exact moment.

01:19:22   And there are dates all over that video.

01:19:25   every time I'm showing the past competitions you can see like, "Oh, this was the 2020 winner. This was the 2021 winner."

01:19:31   And I could have gone and tried to scrub all of that stuff out, but it's like it doesn't matter.

01:19:38   And the fact of the sharks being there now, but if you want to see them you have to go this month.

01:19:46   I feel like that's part of the content of the video.

01:19:49   And sure, I could have phrased it in a different way, like if I wanted to. I could have said,

01:19:54   "Oh, you need to go see the sharks super soon!"

01:19:59   But I just don't think that would have had the same impact on it.

01:20:03   And I'm also okay with it because I was thinking, well, in the future, most of the, you know,

01:20:09   for most of time, the sharks are not going to be at this location.

01:20:14   Like I was pretty confident that they were actually going to get moved.

01:20:18   So I'm actually very fine saying you must go see them this month because it in a weird

01:20:25   way it makes it true in the future that the viewer knows oh they're probably not there.

01:20:31   But I also like that it just it introduces a little bit of doubt so I don't know if this

01:20:37   will really happen but I suspect that there's a way in which that going forward will get

01:20:45   people to investigate on their own a little bit, "Hey, what happened to those sharks?"

01:20:50   In a way that if I said, "Soon," I feel like it's not as obviously motivating when someone's

01:20:56   watching it in the future. They go, "Oh, okay, they're not there. Where are they?" instead

01:21:01   of just not thinking about, "Are they there now or not?" So it was a very deliberate decision.

01:21:07   If there was some universe in which the story of the sharks was not time dependent, I would

01:21:12   have written it that way, but like that was not the story of those sharks and I also just

01:21:18   wanted to let people know like you really need to go see them now and lots of people

01:21:22   did and I was very happy to see like messages from people from everyone who went out to

01:21:27   investigate those sharks. My personal favorite is there was a guy who was getting married

01:21:34   and went out to see the sharks before his ceremony. I was like that's amazing, like

01:21:37   stuff just warms my heart. Some people who clocked that like, "Oh, these are other people who've

01:21:45   watched the shark videos." So I found that just delightful. I absolutely love that stuff. And I

01:21:51   think it is much more motivating the way that it is phrased to get people to like, for real,

01:21:56   go right now. Are they gone? They are gone now. Like huh, okay. Yeah, it's very, um,

01:22:04   oh god it's exhausting to even say for the thing that I'm currently working on

01:22:09   I was trying to find someone's grave and so when I was doing that

01:22:14   Indiana Jones over here you're looking for a skull a grave look at you

01:22:21   I happened on my way to trying to find this grave

01:22:25   cycle past the location of the sharks and happened to hit them as they were being removed

01:22:32   which was just very surreal. It was a surreal experience. So I know from first-hand accounts

01:22:39   that the sharks were taken away because I saw them get taken away in the process of

01:22:46   going somewhere else to try to find a thing.