Cortex

00:00:00 ◼   ► Myke... Myke... I'm sorry. I feel... I feel like I'm always... I don't mean to. I don't mean to.

00:00:11 ◼   ► But I feel like I'm always causing you anxiety for episode recordings. And this time is another one of those times.

00:00:23 ◼   ► I'm sorry, Myke.

00:00:24 ◼   ► At this point, I feel like I just...

00:00:29 ◼   ► I wished everybody could see the types of messages you send me.

00:00:32 ◼   ► So we had three separate days in which we were supposed to be recording this episode.

00:00:42 ◼   ► It was a Thursday, a Saturday or a Sunday. One of those three was when we were going to record this episode.

00:00:48 ◼   ► It's a timely episode, we have to get it up on a certain date.

00:00:52 ◼   ► We both knew that Grey was going to be traveling at this point, so we're like, "Okay, we're

00:00:56 ◼   ► going to set this time window."

00:00:58 ◼   ► On Tuesday, so two days before the first recording time, I get a message that says, "I do not

00:01:05 ◼   ► wish to alarm you, but I may have driven into the desert without any audio equipment."

00:01:09 ◼   ► This is the life that I am subjected to.

00:01:13 ◼   ► Like, look, I mean, before, before you go any further, I just, to defend myself a little bit,

00:01:17 ◼   ► I didn't, you know, that wasn't the plan, but sometimes things come up, opportunities present

00:01:24 ◼   ► themselves and you have to take advantage of them. All of that's fine, right? But you can't be

00:01:29 ◼   ► defended in the fact that you then follow it up after I reply saying you have alarmed me with,

00:01:34 ◼   ► "I have, however, been able to arrange for delivery of equipment on the first day of our

00:01:38 ◼   ► our record because you could have started with that right you chose to start with i'm in the desert

00:01:44 ◼   ► again and i have no audio gear again like remember like two years ago and maybe last year and the year

00:01:50 ◼   ► before that where there's just like something happens during the summer where you are somewhere

00:01:56 ◼   ► and there's some kind of issue i don't know i felt i felt i needed to set expectations that well yes

00:02:03 ◼   ► I know that you have this absolute hard deadline for the day this show has to be published

00:02:08 ◼   ► and it can't be moved. This was me trying to warm up to like, "Oh hey, we have some

00:02:13 ◼   ► problems, but just so you know, I think it's covered and it should be fine."

00:02:17 ◼   ► But where are you? Why are you? What's going on now?

00:02:23 ◼   ► I mean, look, I can't go into the details.

00:02:26 ◼   ► Of course you can't.

00:02:28 ◼   ► Well, I mean, look, look, listeners, I know this is sometimes annoying, but now finally that I've put up that Tesla vlog,

00:02:40 ◼   ► I think perhaps the listeners can understand that sometimes I work on projects that have very long timeframes.

00:02:47 ◼   ► And so, like, I'm doing stuff and I can't always talk about what I'm doing when I'm doing it.

00:02:54 ◼   ► So like, apologies for me being vague, but I am, I am in an undisclosed location

00:03:00 ◼   ► somewhere in the American West and there's been a sort of trifecta of like work

00:03:06 ◼   ► stuff is the reason that I'm out here.

00:03:08 ◼   ► In particular, the reason I sent you that message is like an opportunity made

00:03:12 ◼   ► itself available that I decided I needed to take advantage of and I drove off into

00:03:17 ◼   ► the much further deserts and I had left before I was able to procure audio

00:03:23 ◼   ► equipment and kind of didn't realize until I was like way out in the journey already.

00:03:28 ◼   ► So yeah, I'm here doing some work stuff in a minute locations that don't have great

00:03:33 ◼   ► internets which then was making me think about poor Myke and I was like, oh no, I'm doing

00:03:37 ◼   ► it to him again. I don't mean to, you know, especially like I feel the horrible asymmetry

00:03:43 ◼   ► of this situation is in the summers I feel so much more relaxed like, oh, I traveled

00:03:49 ◼   ► to America for a long period of time and I'm kind of like, "Ooh, there's reasons that I'm here,

00:03:54 ◼   ► I'm doing stuff, but I'm also looking for interesting stuff to do." And I feel like

00:03:57 ◼   ► the summers are kind of like a flexible, "Hey, whatever happens" kind of time. But for you,

00:04:02 ◼   ► it's the exact opposite, right? Like for you, summer is when schedules are the most important

00:04:07 ◼   ► they could possibly be. And also, we are currently beginning the busiest two weeks of my entire year.

00:04:13 ◼   ► Right, yes, no, that's uh...

00:04:15 ◼   ► So, so it's just like...

00:04:19 ◼   ► I'm, I'm aware of what I do to you. I'm very sorry.

00:04:23 ◼   ► But like, I really, I really appreciate what you have to put up with.

00:04:28 ◼   ► "I'm aware of what I do to you" is maybe the sweetest thing you've ever said to me.

00:04:33 ◼   ► Yeah, like, I mean, let's like, I'm not going to change. We all know that, right?

00:04:39 ◼   ► No one wants you to change.

00:04:41 ◼   ► But so I just, you know, I appreciate the sometimes extra work that gets put in.

00:04:48 ◼   ► We're now recording, you know, many time zones apart.

00:04:50 ◼   ► Circumstances that were additionally beyond my control is you had messaged me yesterday saying,

00:04:59 ◼   ► "Hey, what time can we record tomorrow?"

00:05:02 ◼   ► And I never got back to Myke because I'm staying at a place that has decided that they are

00:05:11 ◼   ► off the main electrical grid and there was some unexpected weather that shorted out their

00:05:18 ◼   ► power.

00:05:19 ◼   ► I don't think I want to know this.

00:05:21 ◼   ► Which means, of course, the internet went down and so I was not able to reply and it's

00:05:30 ◼   ► like to get something from town is an hour's journey and so I was like, "Well, I'll

00:05:37 ◼   ► just wait until the power comes back up."

00:05:39 ◼   ► And...

00:05:40 ◼   ► For Texans, if you're listening to this episode and the published date is Tuesday the 28th

00:05:45 ◼   ► of May, Myke may have well gone rogue at that point and just done it.

00:05:51 ◼   ► Because it has to be done.

00:05:54 ◼   ► So it was fixed, but the local power supply here has been a little, shall I describe it

00:06:00 ◼   ► as flickery?

00:06:02 ◼   ► So we'll see if we make it through the entire show.

00:06:07 ◼   ► That was a case where it's like, he doesn't really need to know this ahead of time.

00:06:12 ◼   ► The time that I need to know it is when we're recording. That's definitely the time that I need to know.

00:06:19 ◼   ► Because that's when you have the most agency, right? That's when you have the most ability to do something about this.

00:06:25 ◼   ► So anyway, that's why I didn't get back to you last night and I felt really bad about not even being able to schedule with you when we were going to record today.

00:06:33 ◼   ► But look, it's all fine.

00:06:35 ◼   ► Can I talk about this picture you sent me?

00:06:37 ◼   ► You can describe the picture to people.

00:06:39 ◼   ► You can describe the picture.

00:06:40 ◼   ► I was sent a picture.

00:06:42 ◼   ► The caption of this picture was "I was able to rustle up some audio gear today."

00:06:49 ◼   ► And it is a picture.

00:06:50 ◼   ► The landscape is lots of mountains, like the red kind of mountains that you see in parts

00:06:55 ◼   ► of America.

00:06:57 ◼   ► Beautiful blue sky.

00:06:58 ◼   ► And there are two boxes.

00:06:59 ◼   ► One is a microphone, one is an audio interface.

00:07:02 ◼   ► in front of them is CGP Grey on his knee, down on one knee, wearing the wonderful Cortex

00:07:10 ◼   ► hoodie which is available still from cortexmerch.com.

00:07:14 ◼   ► It is very useful when it's very cold.

00:07:16 ◼   ► Cortexmerch.com, you can still get the beautiful hoodie.

00:07:18 ◼   ► Cortexmerch.com.

00:07:19 ◼   ► But what you can't currently get on cortexmerch.com is a cowboy hat, which is what you're wearing,

00:07:27 ◼   ► a… what are they called, neckerchiefs? Bandanas? Around your face? Which has just got the American

00:07:33 ◼   ► flag all over it over and over and over again, which looks like you're bought from a truck

00:07:36 ◼   ► stop somewhere. So, at least I had that. And as I called it at the time, and still maintained.

00:07:45 ◼   ► And I think even without seeing this picture, I think everybody can agree that this is the

00:07:48 ◼   ► greatest photo of Grey that has ever existed.

00:07:52 ◼   ► I'm glad you think so.

00:07:53 ◼   ► It was my consolation prize for the anxiety.

00:07:56 ◼   ► That was when I finally had acquired, well, I was going to say all of the necessary pieces

00:08:02 ◼   ► to have a regular podcast set up.

00:08:05 ◼   ► Turns out I was missing one of them, but it's not vital.

00:08:07 ◼   ► So enough for the minimum viable podcast recording setup.

00:08:11 ◼   ► I had gotten it all in place and yes, I thought, "Oh, what's a fun way that I can let Myke

00:08:17 ◼   ► know that everything's going to be fine?"

00:08:19 ◼   ► Because see, I want to allay your fears.

00:08:22 ◼   ► And so I'm glad you enjoyed the photo that I took.

00:08:26 ◼   ► But I was definitely thinking like, man, we got a partner

00:08:30 ◼   ► with Stetson for like the Cortex-in cowboy hat, for sure.

00:08:34 ◼   ► - Yeah. - 'Cause cowboy hats

00:08:35 ◼   ► are awesome, and a cowboy hat with the Cortex logo,

00:08:38 ◼   ► how could it possibly be more awesome?

00:08:40 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:08:41 ◼   ► - So I guess at this point, I will say,

00:08:44 ◼   ► if any listener out there has some kind of ability

00:08:48 ◼   ► to help us make a cowboy hat,

00:08:51 ◼   ► Just email business@cortexbrand.com.

00:08:56 ◼   ► Just send an email.

00:08:58 ◼   ► I guess that's what we're doing now.

00:09:00 ◼   ► We're making cowboy hats.

00:09:03 ◼   ► - Anyway, it's all set.

00:09:05 ◼   ► We can do a podcast.

00:09:06 ◼   ► - I have the most important piece of follow-up

00:09:09 ◼   ► in Cortex history.

00:09:10 ◼   ► The reason this is so important.

00:09:12 ◼   ► - Big selling there.

00:09:13 ◼   ► - It's because it will finally stop the question

00:09:16 ◼   ► of when is that third-party toggle app

00:09:18 ◼   ► that you talk about coming in?

00:09:20 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

00:09:20 ◼   ► When is that third party toggle app coming out, Myke?

00:09:23 ◼   ► - Now!

00:09:24 ◼   ► It has been out.

00:09:24 ◼   ► - Oh! - It has been out for a week.

00:09:26 ◼   ► The app is called Timery,

00:09:27 ◼   ► and you can get it at TimeryApp.com.

00:09:29 ◼   ► I'll put that in the show notes.

00:09:32 ◼   ► So I'm pleased that I can talk about it now

00:09:34 ◼   ► because I've been using this app,

00:09:35 ◼   ► I think for nearly a year.

00:09:37 ◼   ► I think the beta has been around for nearly a year.

00:09:40 ◼   ► When I realized that,

00:09:41 ◼   ► I do realize why people ask me so frequently,

00:09:43 ◼   ► because I mention it all the time, but it's not available.

00:09:46 ◼   ► I use this app a lot.

00:09:47 ◼   ► I'm gonna include a link in the show notes

00:09:49 ◼   ► to Jon Voorhees review of the application at MacStories

00:09:52 ◼   ► 'cause Jon is gonna do a better job than I will.

00:09:54 ◼   ► But basically, if you use toggle for time tracking,

00:09:58 ◼   ► which you should because all core Texans

00:10:01 ◼   ► are sane, sensible people,

00:10:02 ◼   ► so they should all be tracking their time.

00:10:04 ◼   ► If you use toggle, which is I think the best service,

00:10:08 ◼   ► but it's a service of a bad app,

00:10:10 ◼   ► the apps are not very good. - Yes, yes.

00:10:12 ◼   ► - But Timery is the app that I've been looking for.

00:10:15 ◼   ► It's clean, it is simple, it is focused,

00:10:18 ◼   ► it has a wonderful widget which is you can set up a bunch of saved timers and you can

00:10:22 ◼   ► have them in the widget on the iPhone or on the iPad so you can just swipe over to the

00:10:26 ◼   ► side and hit one of your favorite timers.

00:10:29 ◼   ► But there's just like, just everything about it is so streamlined that it makes it so easy

00:10:35 ◼   ► to input everything.

00:10:37 ◼   ► Like one of my favorite things, Gray, which is such a small thing, is as soon as you press

00:10:41 ◼   ► the button to start a timer, the timer is running, the timer doesn't start afterwards

00:10:46 ◼   ► or anything like that.

00:10:47 ◼   ► little things like that. I like that it supports tags really well and projects,

00:10:51 ◼   ► which is stuff that I use. It has great shortcuts support.

00:10:55 ◼   ► If you use a Siri shortcuts, I really think that if you are using toggle,

00:11:00 ◼   ► you should 100% try the app out. It is a subscription based app. So you pay for,

00:11:04 ◼   ► I don't remember the exact amount of top of my head,

00:11:06 ◼   ► but it has like a free trial type thing. And like you can,

00:11:09 ◼   ► you can use some functionality of the application,

00:11:12 ◼   ► but then you have to sign up to get more.

00:11:14 ◼   ► But like this is like a no brainer one for me.

00:11:16 ◼   ► Like if you're paying for toggle already,

00:11:18 ◼   ► you should pay for this app as well.

00:11:19 ◼   ► Like because it's not a lot of money and it's well worth it

00:11:22 ◼   ► because it's gonna get you the experience

00:11:23 ◼   ► on iOS that you want.

00:11:25 ◼   ► And we'll talk about this later on,

00:11:27 ◼   ► but I hope that like later this year,

00:11:28 ◼   ► maybe it could come to the Mac as well.

00:11:30 ◼   ► And then I'll be completely happy.

00:11:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, this looks really great.

00:11:33 ◼   ► I can see why you've been excited

00:11:34 ◼   ► about being on the beta of this.

00:11:36 ◼   ► This looks like what the toggle app should be.

00:11:40 ◼   ► - It 100% is.

00:11:41 ◼   ► - Never, never will be.

00:11:42 ◼   ► - Like the only thing that it is missing

00:11:44 ◼   ► that the toggle app has is reports.

00:11:46 ◼   ► But reports in the iOS app suck anyway.

00:11:48 ◼   ► So--

00:11:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:50 ◼   ► Usually, you know.

00:11:51 ◼   ► And I'm sure that the developer Joe,

00:11:54 ◼   ► if it's possible for them to build

00:11:57 ◼   ► some kind of reporting function, they'll do it, right?

00:11:59 ◼   ► Like if the app is a success.

00:12:00 ◼   ► Because they've been great so far.

00:12:02 ◼   ► Like I have a lot of feedback throughout the process,

00:12:04 ◼   ► and they've really made it just a wonderful application to use.

00:12:08 ◼   ► And I love it.

00:12:09 ◼   ► So if you use toggle, you should check out Timery.

00:12:12 ◼   ► It is now available.

00:12:14 ◼   ► The one thing that's happened though, Gray, that I've noticed in the past few days,

00:12:17 ◼   ► the conversation has changed. So people would ask me like,

00:12:21 ◼   ► is this app ever coming out? Where's this app?

00:12:22 ◼   ► They'll ask me in the cortex subreddit, I get it on Twitter.

00:12:24 ◼   ► Now people are asking me if there's an Android alternative,

00:12:28 ◼   ► and I was straight up, I have no idea, right? Like if you listen to this show,

00:12:32 ◼   ► you must know, I don't know the answer that I questioned by now. I do not know.

00:12:36 ◼   ► I do not know.

00:12:37 ◼   ► It's sad. Like my version of that is people I know, they'll say,

00:12:42 ◼   ► Is there an Android equivalent to OmniFocus?

00:12:44 ◼   ► And I always feel like, "I don't know, man, how would I have any idea?"

00:12:48 ◼   ► I'd be like, "I can't help you, Android!"

00:12:51 ◼   ► It's a whole other—it's like asking me for a great book recommendation in Chinese.

00:12:55 ◼   ► Like, I don't know, I'm sure there's great books out there, but I don't know, I can't really help you.

00:13:00 ◼   ► [laughs]

00:13:01 ◼   ► I think to-do-ist is typically—that's typically what I say to people.

00:13:05 ◼   ► Like, people are asking after our last episode, like,

00:13:08 ◼   ► you know, I'm on Android, I can't use things, like what would you recommend?

00:13:12 ◼   ► At that point I'd recommend Todoist. I recommend Todoist anyway. I use Todoist.

00:13:16 ◼   ► I've used Todoist on Android as well, and Todoist on Android is great.

00:13:19 ◼   ► So that is what I really recommend. And I think as well for a lot of people,

00:13:22 ◼   ► like OmniFocus is amazing, but really though, most people,

00:13:27 ◼   ► like they hear you talk about it and they're like, oh, Gray loves it, like I love it.

00:13:31 ◼   ► And they would, but most people are not going to use it to the extent that you are.

00:13:35 ◼   ► Oh yeah, yeah. But this is why, like, yeah, the people who are asking me are usually asking me in person, and they're uber nerds.

00:13:40 ◼   ► And so, like, they're past Todoist.

00:13:42 ◼   ► Again, like, Todoist, I know nothing about Android, but if you're going to use Android, like, I know Todoist, and it's fine.

00:13:48 ◼   ► It's not for me, but I think it's totally fine.

00:13:50 ◼   ► But it's no omni-focus. And that's what I have some super nerds looking for.

00:13:55 ◼   ► And it's like, I can't help you. I'm sure it exists, but I have no idea what it is.

00:13:59 ◼   ► But I think that for like 95% of people, Todoist is going to get you there.

00:14:06 ◼   ► Yeah, probably.

00:14:07 ◼   ► Yeah, probably.

00:14:08 ◼   ► For sure.

00:14:09 ◼   ► But no, this looks awesome.

00:14:10 ◼   ► I love this black mode too.

00:14:11 ◼   ► Oh, the dark mode is so good.

00:14:13 ◼   ► And there's icons, you can choose different icon colors, which I always appreciate, you

00:14:16 ◼   ► know.

00:14:17 ◼   ► So yeah, it's really great.

00:14:20 ◼   ► It's definitely worth checking out if you use toggle.

00:14:22 ◼   ► I really, really, really recommend it.

00:14:23 ◼   ► I'll put some links in the show notes so you can grab it.

00:14:25 ◼   ► This looks like if you're a listener and you haven't started time tracking yet, maybe this is a good time to give it a try.

00:14:35 ◼   ► Nice, shiny new app, Myke recommended.

00:14:39 ◼   ► If you're out there thinking, "I should give it a shot," now you should do it.

00:14:41 ◼   ► It works with the free toggle plan too.

00:14:44 ◼   ► Oh, interesting.

00:14:46 ◼   ► You can sign up for toggle before you... It works with the free plan.

00:14:49 ◼   ► Right, now you have no excuse. You have no excuse, people.

00:14:51 ◼   ► No excuse. None.

00:14:53 ◼   ► Start time tracking.

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00:17:29 ◼   ► I never would refer to it as unofficial because in my heart it was very official, which has

00:17:33 ◼   ► been animated and produced by the very very very very talented H.M. Boutte. We have been

00:17:41 ◼   ► able to work with them and now they're going to be producing the videos for the Cortex

00:17:46 ◼   ► YouTube channel instead. So it has a new home. It is now finally called Cortex Animated officially.

00:17:52 ◼   ► We have removed the unofficial. All you have to do is just search for the Cortex Podcast

00:17:56 ◼   ► on YouTube and you will find it and you can subscribe there. So the episodes will go there

00:18:00 ◼   ► But now also all of the very wonderful cortex animated YouTube videos will be there too

00:18:04 ◼   ► And I really recommend watching these as they come out

00:18:07 ◼   ► I will also put in

00:18:09 ◼   ► HMP te's YouTube channel into the show notes as well because that's where like a big backlog of them are in case you've never seen

00:18:14 ◼   ► Them before so you can go and watch those but there will now be publishing on our YouTube channel

00:18:19 ◼   ► which I'm really excited about because I absolutely adore these videos because they have the just a

00:18:24 ◼   ► Perfect way of picking out the parts that I love the most from our episodes without me needing to ever ask

00:18:30 ◼   ► so like the video that just went up about the last one just picked out the perfect parts of the

00:18:35 ◼   ► Of the episode to animate and I'm very I love how it came out

00:18:39 ◼   ► Yeah, they're always really fun to watch and I'm glad we were able to make them official on the cortex YouTube channel now

00:18:47 ◼   ► And they're they're super charming and it's it's great. I had a

00:18:52 ◼   ► Obviously, obviously, obviously I knew this was in the works, but I had a totally bizarre moment while I was out here in the desert.

00:19:02 ◼   ► Some internet connection blipped on for a moment and I have an "if this then that" alert set up for things getting uploaded to any of the YouTube channels.

00:19:13 ◼   ► And I saw this alert come through about like the Cortex podcast has published a video.

00:19:24 ◼   ► And for a second there, I honestly thought I was having a stroke or something.

00:19:29 ◼   ► I was like, "Wait a minute."

00:19:30 ◼   ► Oh no, what's he done?

00:19:31 ◼   ► No, my actual thought, which is sort of like charmingly optimistic and misguided was, "Did

00:19:37 ◼   ► I already record that podcast?"

00:19:39 ◼   ► And I just forgot.

00:19:42 ◼   ► Like first I was like, am I having some kind of brain aphasia in this moment?

00:19:47 ◼   ► I was really confused and the extra problem was I passed through whatever tiny island

00:19:53 ◼   ► of internet connectivity it was.

00:19:56 ◼   ► And the way that I had the alerts formatted, because it never mattered before, was for

00:20:02 ◼   ► if this then that simply to say like a video has been published, right?

00:20:06 ◼   ► It never mattered what it was.

00:20:08 ◼   ► Yeah, no, nothing.

00:20:09 ◼   ► So it was just like a video has been published.

00:20:11 ◼   ► And so I was like driving through some nothingness and like, "Well, I guess I'll find out

00:20:17 ◼   ► what happened later."

00:20:19 ◼   ► So in retrospect, I should have realized what it was, but when I finally got to another

00:20:24 ◼   ► oasis of internet, I was like, "Oh, this is fantastic!"

00:20:27 ◼   ► I was so happy to see it had become real on the YouTube channel in my absence.

00:20:32 ◼   ► And also, you hadn't lost part of your brain along the way.

00:20:36 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:20:37 ◼   ► I was pretty sure we hadn't recorded the show 20 minutes down the road.

00:20:41 ◼   ► it's like, I would have remembered. Why do I have equipment that hopefully will be delivered

00:20:45 ◼   ► to where I'm going? Fingers crossed. But yeah, so that was my very surreal experience with

00:20:52 ◼   ► the animated series becoming official was through an if-this-then-that alert that had

00:20:57 ◼   ► me wondering for quite a while what was going on in Internet land to which I had no access.

00:21:02 ◼   ► But yeah, go check them out. They're absolutely charming. And yeah, if you haven't subscribed

00:21:09 ◼   ► to the Cortex YouTube channel, I think these are an excellent reason to do so.

00:21:12 ◼   ► Yeah, it is a reason. Right, like, if you had no desire to also watch the videos of

00:21:20 ◼   ► this podcast on our YouTube channel before, there was no point in you subscribing. But

00:21:24 ◼   ► now we have a reason, because there's going to be additional content there, that it would

00:21:27 ◼   ► be a shame for you to miss out on, I think.

00:21:30 ◼   ► It would be. It would be. But no, I think people should subscribe to Cortex everywhere

00:21:33 ◼   ► that Cortex can be subscribed to, Myke.

00:21:35 ◼   ► That's, well, I mean-

00:21:36 ◼   ► There's multiple reasons.

00:21:38 ◼   ► So our next episode is going to be that wonderful and rare event where me and you sit around

00:21:43 ◼   ► a table and look awkwardly around each other's eyes.

00:21:49 ◼   ► Not directly into them.

00:21:50 ◼   ► Oh, I forgot about that again.

00:21:52 ◼   ► Because we're going to be in San Jose together for WWDC which is Apple's developer conference.

00:22:01 ◼   ► So considering we are about a week away, I think it's time to check in.

00:22:05 ◼   ► Oh god, is it a week away?

00:22:06 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a week away.

00:22:08 ◼   ► Holy!

00:22:09 ◼   ► You gotta get moving out of that desert, my friend.

00:22:11 ◼   ► You got a plane to catch.

00:22:14 ◼   ► I do.

00:22:15 ◼   ► I legitimately do have a logistics problem that I just realized I need to figure out

00:22:20 ◼   ► how to solve as soon as this podcast is over.

00:22:22 ◼   ► Yeah, because it would just be a real shame if you missed the first day, right?

00:22:27 ◼   ► Because that's when literally everything happens.

00:22:30 ◼   ► So you know.

00:22:31 ◼   ► And as usual, I'm acting as official tour guide for you on this trip and I've booked

00:22:36 ◼   ► you into all the things you need to go to.

00:22:38 ◼   ► Again, Myke, I appreciate all that you do for me so much.

00:22:43 ◼   ► And this is for sure one of these things of like, if I had to figure out what events I

00:22:48 ◼   ► was going to and what tickets I had to book, I would just go to nothing and stay in my

00:22:53 ◼   ► hotel room the whole time.

00:22:54 ◼   ► So thank you.

00:22:55 ◼   ► Thank you for doing all of that.

00:22:56 ◼   ► It's kind of funny at this point.

00:22:57 ◼   ► I don't even really think about it.

00:22:58 ◼   ► I really appreciate it.

00:23:00 ◼   ► It's very nice to see these things roll through on my calendar and be like, "Oh, Myke's

00:23:04 ◼   ► taking care of me for Apple week.

00:23:06 ◼   ► I don't know what I'm doing here.

00:23:07 ◼   ► I'm like a weird YouTube outsider descending upon the city and it's like,

00:23:11 ◼   ► where am I supposed to go?

00:23:12 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:23:12 ◼   ► It's great.

00:23:13 ◼   ► It's very nice.

00:23:14 ◼   ► Oh, so that I will mention if you are a Cortex and you're going to be in San Jose,

00:23:19 ◼   ► I want to see all that Cortex brand merchandise walking around.

00:23:22 ◼   ► I want to see many subtleties.

00:23:24 ◼   ► I know Myke wants to see it, but I have to say last WWDC, it was actually

00:23:29 ◼   ► weird how many Cortex merch stuff I saw around.

00:23:33 ◼   ► I say weird.

00:23:34 ◼   ► I say very good.

00:23:35 ◼   ► And it wasn't, Cortex merch as an idea

00:23:37 ◼   ► didn't even exist then.

00:23:39 ◼   ► - Yes, that's true, that's true.

00:23:40 ◼   ► Cortexmerch.com wasn't a thing there.

00:23:43 ◼   ► But yes, but I think by far the biggest density

00:23:48 ◼   ► of merch stuff that I ever see is WWDC.

00:23:55 ◼   ► Of like, look at all these Cortex listeners.

00:23:59 ◼   ► This is amazing, but it's also a little weird sometimes

00:24:03 ◼   ► like, "Oh, all these people are wearing the hoodie and things."

00:24:05 ◼   ► It does happen where, like, we spoke about this before,

00:24:08 ◼   ► it's just really funny where me and you have been together crossing a street

00:24:12 ◼   ► and somebody's walking towards us with a cortex brain t-shirt on

00:24:16 ◼   ► and they don't notice us.

00:24:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah. - I always enjoy that.

00:24:21 ◼   ► It's very funny to me.

00:24:23 ◼   ► And I don't know if you remember, but we did have one moment last year

00:24:27 ◼   ► that I thought was the height of funniness

00:24:29 ◼   ► where you and I met up somewhere and we were both wearing Cortex merch.

00:24:36 ◼   ► Just, you know, we hadn't coordinated our outfits.

00:24:39 ◼   ► So I think we both showed up in Cortex merch.

00:24:42 ◼   ► And then one person who listened to the show and then another person

00:24:46 ◼   ► who listened to the show both were chatting with us

00:24:48 ◼   ► and they were wearing Cortex merch too.

00:24:50 ◼   ► So we were like this little quartet of people all wearing the Cortex merch.

00:24:53 ◼   ► And I was like, oh, OK.

00:24:54 ◼   ► In like the kind of biggest San Francisco area, San Jose area,

00:24:58 ◼   ► We just look like we're some kind of startup.

00:25:00 ◼   ► Oh my god, you're right!

00:25:02 ◼   ► Right, that's what it looks like.

00:25:04 ◼   ► You know what, you're totally right.

00:25:06 ◼   ► Actually, it's way more normal there.

00:25:07 ◼   ► It does look like we're a startup.

00:25:09 ◼   ► But seriously, people buy that hoodie. It's amazing.

00:25:13 ◼   ► Yeah, the hoodie is amazing. The hoodie is very good.

00:25:15 ◼   ► You know what as well, they're not on sale now,

00:25:18 ◼   ► but probably will be again one day.

00:25:19 ◼   ► The subtle sweater came in for me today,

00:25:21 ◼   ► and that thing is amazing.

00:25:22 ◼   ► I'm very pleased with how it came out.

00:25:24 ◼   ► Yeah, I feel like these are our favorites.

00:25:27 ◼   ► Like Myke, Myke loves the subtle line and I love the hoodies and it's all, it's all fantastic.

00:25:32 ◼   ► Go get some, go get some cortexmerch.com.

00:25:35 ◼   ► I wasn't planning on today being such a Cortex merch heavy episode of the show, but like, you know, that's how it goes sometimes.

00:25:42 ◼   ► So I'm wondering from you, because I feel like I don't have a chicken.

00:25:48 ◼   ► I don't think we have spoken about stuff like this in a while.

00:25:50 ◼   ► What are you, what is on your kind of horizon? Like what are you hoping for?

00:25:55 ◼   ► What would make you happy? I know we spoke about the Apple Watch faces and I have something

00:26:00 ◼   ► I need to tell you about that.

00:26:01 ◼   ► Oh god, I feel like I don't want to know. Whatever it is, it's not going to be good.

00:26:07 ◼   ► You remember what you said, you're going to be really mad? I think you're going to be

00:26:11 ◼   ► really mad.

00:26:12 ◼   ► That's my expectation.

00:26:15 ◼   ► Aside from the Apple Watch faces, what is the type of stuff that would make you the

00:26:20 ◼   ► happiest from WWDC this year? What are the things that you really want to see solved

00:26:25 ◼   ► or added to, like what are you hoping for?

00:26:27 ◼   ► - Okay, I've had a little bit of a strange experience

00:26:32 ◼   ► with this because this morning,

00:26:35 ◼   ► while I was walking around a little bit,

00:26:39 ◼   ► thinking about the upcoming show,

00:26:42 ◼   ► while I had some time to prepare while the power was out,

00:26:45 ◼   ► it did dawn on me like, oh, of course,

00:26:48 ◼   ► this is our pre-WWDC episode,

00:26:53 ◼   ► and Myke's gonna wanna know what are the things

00:26:55 ◼   ► that I'm looking for, software-wise,

00:26:58 ◼   ► out of Apple in this upcoming year.

00:26:59 ◼   ► And I realize that this WWDC,

00:27:05 ◼   ► I'm going into almost without any expectations,

00:27:10 ◼   ► and in particular, almost a feeling of like,

00:27:16 ◼   ► obviously there are things that annoy me

00:27:18 ◼   ► and that I would want software-wise,

00:27:22 ◼   ► But I don't know, I feel much less intense about like,

00:27:26 ◼   ► oh, I have to have this thing this year.

00:27:29 ◼   ► - This is what I was hoping you were gonna say.

00:27:32 ◼   ► - Really, okay.

00:27:33 ◼   ► I was thinking I'm disappointing you for the show.

00:27:35 ◼   ► - No, no, because it backs up a theory

00:27:39 ◼   ► that I've had coming into this episode.

00:27:41 ◼   ► - Okay. - You have not listened

00:27:42 ◼   ► to any technology podcasts in the last six to eight months.

00:27:47 ◼   ► - Yeah. - So you're not hearing

00:27:48 ◼   ► the things-- - It's coming up on a year.

00:27:50 ◼   ► - That people are complaining about.

00:27:51 ◼   ► So I kind of expected that you would just be like, "Well, nothing big really."

00:27:58 ◼   ► Because you're not hearing what people are discussing.

00:28:03 ◼   ► So unless it's directly affecting you, you're probably a little bit oblivious to it.

00:28:08 ◼   ► The thing that did cross my mind, of course, because you're much more connected in this world than I am,

00:28:14 ◼   ► is that Myke is going to probably spoil my total lack of expectations for WWDC during this episode

00:28:21 ◼   ► and tell me what everybody's thinking is going to happen.

00:28:23 ◼   ► That was my plan. So I figured you would have nothing and then I'm going to tell you a bunch of things

00:28:26 ◼   ► and then you can tell me if you like them or not and/or then next time we can judge how they're mad you are

00:28:32 ◼   ► that they didn't go the exact way that you thought they would.

00:28:34 ◼   ► Right, right. So yeah, great. Perfect. This is just what I want, Myke.

00:28:38 ◼   ► Oh, I'm all nice and zen and whatever and now it'll all be ruined for the entertainment of other people.

00:28:44 ◼   ► Well, you know, you've got to be ready.

00:28:46 ◼   ► At all the cocktail hour receptions that I've got you booked out over the next week, you've got another talking point.

00:28:50 ◼   ► Oh, no, no, I'm not so sure about what you've signed me up for.

00:28:53 ◼   ► Don't worry about it. Just don't pay attention to some of the invites.

00:28:56 ◼   ► So let me...

00:28:58 ◼   ► Okay, so this is where I'm expecting... No, no, no, no.

00:29:00 ◼   ► Okay, listen. Before you get all into this, let me say the two things that I am thinking of a bunch about walking into this.

00:29:12 ◼   ► So there's two things I want to say first before you before you ruin my party.

00:29:17 ◼   ► The first one of these things, and this has been on my mind a lot for reasons that will

00:29:23 ◼   ► be obvious as soon as I say what it is.

00:29:25 ◼   ► I'm really curious about maps this year and about driving directions.

00:29:31 ◼   ► So I can't remember if it was last year or the year before when Apple announced their

00:29:36 ◼   ► new mapping project.

00:29:38 ◼   ► Was that last WWDC or was it the previous one?

00:29:40 ◼   ► - No, it was like a random time.

00:29:42 ◼   ► - Ah, okay, so that's why it's not clear in my head.

00:29:45 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:29:46 ◼   ► - But so, yeah, Apple announced this thing

00:29:50 ◼   ► where they're building their own mapping system

00:29:52 ◼   ► and they talked about how their current mapping system

00:29:56 ◼   ► was this horrific Frankenstein's monster

00:29:59 ◼   ► of different services that they had hobbled together,

00:30:03 ◼   ► which when they described it made me feel like,

00:30:05 ◼   ► holy cow, I can't believe you made that work

00:30:06 ◼   ► in the first place, like I can't believe that works at all.

00:30:09 ◼   ► and they're starting to build up their own mapping service, like from the ground up.

00:30:15 ◼   ► Which I think we can all see would be useful for many projects aside from just, you know, maps.

00:30:24 ◼   ► To have created a 3D representation of the world could be quite useful for many different things.

00:30:31 ◼   ► Like if it lived digitally, it's almost like some kind of like alternate reality of some kind.

00:30:37 ◼   ► Yes, yes, it could be like some kind of alternate reality. It could it could really help

00:30:42 ◼   ► real world machines navigate the 3D space around them if they had a digital thing to compare to

00:30:49 ◼   ► As if they had to go on their own, right?

00:30:53 ◼   ► Yeah, if there was some sort of like autonomous way you were going to have machines act in the real world

00:30:58 ◼   ► like I think

00:31:00 ◼   ► building for a company building their own

00:31:04 ◼   ► representation of the world is a

00:31:06 ◼   ► like it's a very powerful tool to have in your arsenal that's applicable to many things and as we're

00:31:13 ◼   ► Recording they they release like a trial version of their maps and it's like it's yeah

00:31:19 ◼   ► It's in some parts of California and it's like stretching out. The thing is this project. It's multiple multiple years away from completion

00:31:26 ◼   ► No, no, no. No. No, so here's the here's the thing that I was just gonna say about it

00:31:31 ◼   ► like and why I've been thinking about it is

00:31:33 ◼   ► Yeah, this kind of thing is huge, which is why I was saying, like, this is useful for many things.

00:31:39 ◼   ► It's much bigger in scope than I think it even seems as a, quote, "mapping project" at first.

00:31:44 ◼   ► And so, I'm just generally curious to see it roll out because I haven't had the ability to experience firsthand what it's like.

00:31:52 ◼   ► But I remember when they announced it, in the article it must have been,

00:31:58 ◼   ► They said an interesting thing that they were working simultaneously on this new Map the World project

00:32:04 ◼   ► and they were also working on a new interface for the Maps app

00:32:09 ◼   ► and that they didn't want to introduce both of these things at the same time

00:32:15 ◼   ► because they thought it would be too confusing

00:32:17 ◼   ► and so they wanted to stagger them

00:32:20 ◼   ► and so I'm just kind of curious, like "Oh, I wonder if this year we're going to get a new Maps app"

00:32:25 ◼   ► And I've been thinking about it because I know people always pooh-pooh Apple Maps, but

00:32:30 ◼   ► I actually really, really like it for driving directions.

00:32:33 ◼   ► I find it's very clear about when to turn, the lane guidance is great.

00:32:39 ◼   ► But I've been thinking about it a bunch because it sure could use some improvements, and I

00:32:42 ◼   ► often find myself really frustrated with it.

00:32:45 ◼   ► And one of the things that I find particularly frustrating, especially now, is that the app

00:32:51 ◼   ► totally doesn't work the instant you don't have internet.

00:32:54 ◼   ► And so is horrifically unuseful

00:32:58 ◼   ► for lots of the traveling I've been doing.

00:33:01 ◼   ► - That's pretty stupid.

00:33:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, if you don't have an internet connection,

00:33:05 ◼   ► you cannot search for a location

00:33:08 ◼   ► and get directions to that location.

00:33:10 ◼   ► - 'Cause like, I know that Google Maps

00:33:12 ◼   ► lets you download an area, right?

00:33:14 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:33:15 ◼   ► - And Apple Maps doesn't let you do anything like that?

00:33:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, so Apple Maps has zero offline ability at all.

00:33:21 ◼   ► Woof, that's terrible. This is the kind of stuff where it's like, I know this is a thing that I

00:33:26 ◼   ► see a lot and it can be a bit frustrating to hear people make these complaints sometimes,

00:33:32 ◼   ► but I think it definitely holds up here. This is what happens when just people in very particular

00:33:40 ◼   ► areas are the ones that are working on these projects. If there's always internet around you,

00:33:44 ◼   ► you never really think about it. AC: Yeah, for sure. I think that really is

00:33:48 ◼   ► is what it's a side effect of.

00:33:49 ◼   ► And I mean this in a literal way.

00:33:51 ◼   ► It is totally useless.

00:33:53 ◼   ► You can't search for anything.

00:33:54 ◼   ► You can't get directions for anything.

00:33:56 ◼   ► It's just dead like it's a pointless app.

00:33:59 ◼   ► And I find that really frustrating.

00:34:00 ◼   ► And so since that road trip vlog that I put up

00:34:03 ◼   ► and in the past two years since that actually happened,

00:34:06 ◼   ► I've been driving around in America a bunch.

00:34:08 ◼   ► And I have, I mean, I must have 20 or 30 offline maps

00:34:12 ◼   ► saved in Google Maps precisely for this scenario.

00:34:16 ◼   ► Like anywhere I'm ever gonna possibly be,

00:34:18 ◼   ► I always tell Google, like, just download a copy.

00:34:21 ◼   ► And I cannot tell you how many times I've had to,

00:34:24 ◼   ► like, had to rely on that to be like,

00:34:27 ◼   ► where am I gonna go next, how do I go?

00:34:29 ◼   ► Like, even if you're just, you're driving somewhere

00:34:31 ◼   ► and you change your mind about like, you know what,

00:34:32 ◼   ► I'm not gonna go this far, I'm gonna stop somewhere sooner.

00:34:34 ◼   ► Is there a hotel anywhere, right?

00:34:37 ◼   ► Like, Apple Maps can't help you, but Google Maps will

00:34:39 ◼   ► if you've downloaded stuff offline.

00:34:40 ◼   ► So I really love their interface,

00:34:44 ◼   ► but I would be curious to see them add some more features.

00:34:49 ◼   ► And I was even thinking kind of like in the music app,

00:34:52 ◼   ► it allows you to set an offline cache.

00:34:55 ◼   ► You can say like, look, music app,

00:34:57 ◼   ► I don't care what you do, but here's 32 gigabytes of space

00:35:00 ◼   ► and you just deal with automatically downloading stuff

00:35:02 ◼   ► you think I'm going to listen to.

00:35:04 ◼   ► And I think like Apple maps could do something like that.

00:35:06 ◼   ► They're never gonna introduce a complicated feature

00:35:08 ◼   ► like Google has, but I could imagine them saying like,

00:35:11 ◼   ► oh, you can-- - I disagree with that.

00:35:11 ◼   ► I disagree with that.

00:35:14 ◼   ► this is one of those things where you really should give the user specific

00:35:18 ◼   ► control. But like, cause on the music app, you can also say,

00:35:21 ◼   ► download this album.

00:35:22 ◼   ► Yes.

00:35:24 ◼   ► As well as just giving over a bunch of storage, like download this album.

00:35:27 ◼   ► So like, I think that they need to have that,

00:35:30 ◼   ► like download this city or this area or this route because

00:35:34 ◼   ► the phone's never going to know. Like you taking this trip right now,

00:35:39 ◼   ► it wouldn't have these maps because you've maybe never been there before. Right?

00:35:42 ◼   ► So like why would it have them? It has to have some user interaction as well as like

00:35:46 ◼   ► just an element of doing it on its own.

00:35:48 ◼   ► But so anyway, I just like I bring all this up because having done a bunch of driving,

00:35:53 ◼   ► I really rely, I rely very heavily on Google Maps and like and Google Maps is great. I

00:35:59 ◼   ► just personally don't like the interface as much and I find the voice more annoying. Like

00:36:04 ◼   ► I prefer to have Siri do the instructions. Although British Siri, not far to California

00:36:10 ◼   ► Siri. I kind of can't stand American/ Californian Siri. She's too chipper for me. It's like,

00:36:15 ◼   ► hey, take it down a notch.

00:36:17 ◼   ► This is the only show doing a WWDC preview that has given over that amount of time to

00:36:23 ◼   ► maps. This is what you come here for, right? It's different.

00:36:26 ◼   ► Myke, Myke, this would be a total shock to listeners. I like maps. I like maps a lot.

00:36:31 ◼   ► I like looking at the new California maps when Apple released them. I'm very curious

00:36:36 ◼   ► and the progress of this project, and I have no expectations.

00:36:41 ◼   ► I expect we'll find out a little bit about that.

00:36:43 ◼   ► There is some basic rumours about updates to maps, I don't know if it's going to be

00:36:49 ◼   ► particularly what you're looking for, it's kind of around making it easier to set frequent

00:36:54 ◼   ► locations and stuff, and like grouping locations and adding photos to them of your own, and

00:36:58 ◼   ► I don't really know why.

00:37:00 ◼   ► But this is what I mean by my Zen this.

00:37:02 ◼   ► I'm not looking for anything.

00:37:04 ◼   ► I don't expect that Apple would ever introduce an offline feature.

00:37:07 ◼   ► I'm just listing this as what are the things that I'm curious about.

00:37:10 ◼   ► And I would love to hear an update on, hey, how is that mapping program going

00:37:14 ◼   ► or see if they decide this is the year to do the new interface?

00:37:17 ◼   ► If they talk about maps at all, they will probably give an update on that.

00:37:20 ◼   ► That mapping project.

00:37:23 ◼   ► What is the other thing? You said you had two things.

00:37:25 ◼   ► The other thing, which is which is more of a problem, more of a frustration.

00:37:30 ◼   ► And I just I just don't even want to really talk about it,

00:37:32 ◼   ► but I will just get it on the record is my endless, endless long term frustration

00:37:39 ◼   ► with the way notifications work on Apple.

00:37:41 ◼   ► I have no expectation that this is going to improve in any way this year at WWDC.

00:37:49 ◼   ► What are you looking for?

00:37:50 ◼   ► I mean, I'm genuinely so happy with what they did with iOS 12.

00:37:54 ◼   ► It is an improvement.

00:37:58 ◼   ► And don't get me like it's an improvement.

00:38:01 ◼   ► But I think this is, my expectation is this is the one of those things where they're gonna be like

00:38:04 ◼   ► "Ah, we improved it and it's much better and now we won't touch it for years."

00:38:08 ◼   ► That's my expectation.

00:38:10 ◼   ► Like the one that is the biggest and obvious and most easy to talk about problem is

00:38:17 ◼   ► that the Apple Watch has no concept of notification management.

00:38:21 ◼   ► So like, if I put iMessage and some other apps in downtime

00:38:26 ◼   ► where they're supposed to be totally inaccessible and not send me any messages,

00:38:30 ◼   ► my Apple Watch will still charmingly send me all the iMessages that people are sending me at any time of the day.

00:38:36 ◼   ► That's just so dumb. I can't...

00:38:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:38:38 ◼   ► It's like it's... that sounds like a different company's making the Apple Watch.

00:38:42 ◼   ► It really does, and I always think every time I get caught off guard by that,

00:38:48 ◼   ► I always think about...

00:38:49 ◼   ► there must be parents out there who think they've stopped their child texting, right?

00:38:55 ◼   ► who have no idea that their kid is perfectly able to text all night long just by talking into the watch.

00:39:01 ◼   ► Oh my god, Gray, that's amazing. I've never heard someone mention this before.

00:39:06 ◼   ► Well, I'm sure it's a big secret, right? Like the kids are going to keep their mouth shut about it.

00:39:11 ◼   ► Well, no, I just even this idea, I'd completely forgotten about the fact that the notifications

00:39:16 ◼   ► still go to the watch when downtime is set, and I think part of the reason is

00:39:20 ◼   ► I don't think many people use that downtime feature.

00:39:22 ◼   ► Oh, for sure, yeah.

00:39:23 ◼   ► But the downtime feature is how parental controls work now.

00:39:27 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:39:28 ◼   ► - Right, like they are tied together pretty much.

00:39:30 ◼   ► So that's hilarious.

00:39:31 ◼   ► - They're intended to be parental controls.

00:39:34 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:39:35 ◼   ► - Which is why I think they have these weird edge cases.

00:39:37 ◼   ► Like there's a whole bunch of things that like,

00:39:39 ◼   ► I just genuinely don't want to get into

00:39:41 ◼   ► because I recognize like I'm a very edge case user here.

00:39:44 ◼   ► - I think you're gonna be happy though about,

00:39:47 ◼   ► so let's imagine that this does get fixed.

00:39:49 ◼   ► One of the rumors for screen time,

00:39:51 ◼   ► so it includes all of this stuff, right,

00:39:53 ◼   ► is that there will be some additional controls,

00:39:56 ◼   ► and they're meant to be parental controls,

00:39:57 ◼   ► but again, it all kind of mixes together,

00:39:59 ◼   ► about limiting who can be contacted during certain times.

00:40:04 ◼   ► - Oh, that would be great.

00:40:06 ◼   ► - So you could say, "I don't, during these hours,

00:40:10 ◼   ► "I don't want to be contacted by anyone except my wife."

00:40:14 ◼   ► - Okay, yeah, see, that's perfect.

00:40:16 ◼   ► If that comes to pass, I'd be really thrilled about it.

00:40:20 ◼   ► Because that again, iMessage usually for me is the absolute core of the problem because

00:40:26 ◼   ► it spans the importance of people in my life.

00:40:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:31 ◼   ► But it's, but if you don't shut it off, it's just a fire hose.

00:40:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:36 ◼   ► And yeah, I feel like you have several levels of like, are you a direct family member?

00:40:42 ◼   ► You know, you should be able to reach me all the time.

00:40:44 ◼   ► Are you friends?

00:40:46 ◼   ► And then in particular, like, is this a number that I've never heard of before?

00:40:49 ◼   ► Right? Like, you know, don't you should basically never be able to bother me.

00:40:52 ◼   ► The one the one I wonder, I wonder if it has anything to do with like

00:40:57 ◼   ► telephony laws or something, but I'm always baffled that there's not

00:41:00 ◼   ► a setting where I can say only people in my address book can call my phone.

00:41:04 ◼   ► Like that's the one that always blows my

00:41:06 ◼   ► mind when I get some like random phone call and like, hey,

00:41:10 ◼   ► you're you're nobody to me number I've never heard of.

00:41:13 ◼   ► Like why do you and the thing that's extra

00:41:15 ◼   ► frustrating about that is it's not just that you get to call,

00:41:18 ◼   ► you get to turn my whole phone useless for a minute? Like you take over the whole screen?

00:41:24 ◼   ► I really hope that that's something that they fix. Like there is literally nothing on iOS that can

00:41:30 ◼   ► can do this except for calls. So like FaceTime does it. I have no problem with FaceTime video

00:41:36 ◼   ► doing it because there's an actual usage to that because yeah if I'm going to be on a video call

00:41:41 ◼   ► I would like to see myself before I answer. Exactly. So that's useful. But like for audio

00:41:48 ◼   ► calls. I don't understand, like, why can't it just be a notification like every other type of

00:41:53 ◼   ► notification? When I get an iMessage, I don't get, like, a full-screen preview of it, like,

00:41:58 ◼   ► when it comes in. Yeah, and if you reject the iMessage, the other person knows because their

00:42:03 ◼   ► iMessage has been instantly rejected. So you just have to sit there like an idiot. Yeah, it's, um,

00:42:08 ◼   ► that, that, if they, if they introduce something like that, I'll be very happy if there's any kind

00:42:13 ◼   ► kind of communications hierarchy,

00:42:16 ◼   ► particularly for iMessage.

00:42:18 ◼   ► But yeah, there's just,

00:42:20 ◼   ► there's a lot of weird buggy edge case stuff still

00:42:24 ◼   ► around notifications and how they come through

00:42:27 ◼   ► and how things are done

00:42:30 ◼   ► that I just don't really expect to change.

00:42:32 ◼   ► But if something like that can be set up for iMessage,

00:42:34 ◼   ► I'd be pretty happy about it.

00:42:35 ◼   ► And that would be a big improvement to my life.

00:42:38 ◼   ► Even just priority levels for iMessage

00:42:41 ◼   ► would be a pretty big deal.

00:42:42 ◼   ► So that would make me happy, Myke.

00:42:43 ◼   ► But now, do you see what the problem is?

00:42:45 ◼   ► You've raised my expectations where I had none,

00:42:48 ◼   ► where I thought, I'll never get any of this,

00:42:51 ◼   ► so I'll just see what happens,

00:42:52 ◼   ► and now if I don't get it, I'm gonna be angry.

00:42:55 ◼   ► - I think the issue we find is

00:42:56 ◼   ► if you're left to your own devices,

00:42:59 ◼   ► the things that you will wish for and get disappointed about

00:43:02 ◼   ► are things that are probably not gonna happen.

00:43:04 ◼   ► But now, at least, I can tell you some stuff

00:43:07 ◼   ► that you can start to get excited about,

00:43:08 ◼   ► which is maybe more likely to happen.

00:43:10 ◼   ► I think I preferred my zen state of mind.

00:43:13 ◼   ► I'm like, "Oh, well, I'll see what happens."

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00:45:36 ◼   ► What else is coming?

00:45:37 ◼   ► There's a lot of stuff that's been leaked and rumored, but there are some key areas

00:45:44 ◼   ► that I think are worth talking about.

00:45:46 ◼   ► Probably the one that will be the biggest is iPad apps on the Mac.

00:45:50 ◼   ► Oh yeah, the Marzipan stuff, right?

00:45:52 ◼   ► Yes.

00:45:53 ◼   ► So this is the internal codename that has been public, but leaked publicly for a couple

00:46:00 ◼   ► years is the project is called Marzipan. It's very unlikely to be called Marzipan as its public

00:46:05 ◼   ► project name because that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, they're not going to pick a strong bad

00:46:10 ◼   ► character from the early 2000s to name their new project after. That's not going to happen.

00:46:14 ◼   ► I think that's what it is, but sure, that could be the reason. So this is part of a multi-year

00:46:21 ◼   ► project to bring iOS apps to the Mac and maybe back again. We'll see. We don't know what that's

00:46:27 ◼   ► actually going to end up looking like. But it starts with iPad, so just iPad applications.

00:46:33 ◼   ► So this, currently on the Mac, there are a selection of these applications that Apple

00:46:38 ◼   ► made for themselves, but now they're going to be beefing up these tools and making them

00:46:43 ◼   ► available for developers. This is what is expected, and this will probably be the biggest

00:46:49 ◼   ► thing that comes out of WWDC. There will be things for users, like, you know, we're going

00:46:55 ◼   ► to talk about some of those things that the average user might be more excited about,

00:46:58 ◼   ► but considering this is a developer conference, this is the big one. Because it will enable

00:47:03 ◼   ► more people to develop for the Mac than they have been before, and it will also enable

00:47:08 ◼   ► existing Mac developers who have iOS apps to be able to simplify their work processes

00:47:14 ◼   ► a bit, possibly. The other thing that this is going to do is cause lots and lots of concern

00:47:19 ◼   ► and worry amongst many different types of people about what the future of Apple's platforms

00:47:24 ◼   ► are going to be, but we don't need to get into that here on this show because I think that, like me,

00:47:30 ◼   ► you will be very intrigued and excited about the prospect of iPad apps on the Mac because I'm sure,

00:47:36 ◼   ► you know, as somebody who uses both devices, that there are some apps that you have on iOS that

00:47:41 ◼   ► don't exist on the Mac or that you prefer the iOS versions than the Mac versions, and it will be

00:47:47 ◼   ► really cool to be able to have this stuff as well as somebody who cares about the iPad.

00:47:54 ◼   ► I think that this is going to be very good for the iPad as well, because it will, I think,

00:47:58 ◼   ► enable or will empower some developers to think about the applications as being more professional,

00:48:04 ◼   ► more powerful, now that they can exist in both places. So I'm really excited about what this

00:48:10 ◼   ► could mean for the next few years. Yeah, and I think it only makes sense that over the long

00:48:21 ◼   ► scale, Apple would want to decrease the workload on developers.

00:48:27 ◼   ► And if they can do anything to streamline the process of "you can get this app on multiple

00:48:33 ◼   ► devices," that's good for them.

00:48:35 ◼   ► That's good for the whole ecosystem, that's good for all of the devices.

00:48:39 ◼   ► In the same way that, I forget what it's called, but the thing that they, that the developers

00:48:45 ◼   ► talk about how you can like, resolutionally independently design what your app looks like,

00:48:50 ◼   ► iOS should do a lot of work to kind of stretch it for different phones and even stretch it

00:48:54 ◼   ► for the iPad.

00:48:55 ◼   ► Size classes.

00:48:56 ◼   ► Size classes, thank you.

00:48:57 ◼   ► I was like, I've heard the nerds talk about those things a bunch and it's like, and

00:49:02 ◼   ► as, as someone who has spent a lot of time doing say vector artwork, like I completely

00:49:07 ◼   ► understand this concept of like you can design a thing sort of independent of the way it's

00:49:12 ◼   ► going to be shown.

00:49:13 ◼   ► And it's like, it's obvious, like it's obviously a thing that's better and good

00:49:17 ◼   ► to do rather than like, "Oh, you have to lovingly place each pixel exactly where it's supposed

00:49:23 ◼   ► to be for app development or for animation."

00:49:25 ◼   ► So that makes sense.

00:49:27 ◼   ► And it makes sense that, like, I don't know, if you think about it, if a company were to

00:49:33 ◼   ► start over today, it would seem insane to say, "Oh, we have a bunch of engineers, but

00:49:38 ◼   ► we're going to split all of their time across two totally separate platforms that will be

00:49:44 ◼   ► non-interchangeable."

00:49:45 ◼   ► And it's like, why would you do that?

00:49:47 ◼   ► Of course you'd want to design one operating system that

00:49:50 ◼   ► would just express itself differently

00:49:53 ◼   ► in different places.

00:49:54 ◼   ► I'll be curious to see how far along it is.

00:49:57 ◼   ► Last year's Marzipan felt very much like, oh, hey,

00:50:01 ◼   ► we're trying a thing.

00:50:03 ◼   ► It's not open to developers, but we're just messing around,

00:50:07 ◼   ► and we'll see how this goes.

00:50:08 ◼   ► So I'll be curious to see if they have something

00:50:10 ◼   ► like a real API for developers to start messing around with.

00:50:14 ◼   ► - Well, no, the expectation, Gray,

00:50:15 ◼   ► is that this will be now for apps shipping in the fall.

00:50:19 ◼   ► Like that is the expectation.

00:50:21 ◼   ► But like- - Really?

00:50:22 ◼   ► - This is year one and year one is iPad

00:50:25 ◼   ► and then next year will be iPhone.

00:50:28 ◼   ► And then the year after that will be like some other thing

00:50:31 ◼   ► which kind of ties them all together even more.

00:50:34 ◼   ► - Interesting.

00:50:35 ◼   ► - But yeah, the plan is that like that is the kind of

00:50:37 ◼   ► agreed upon expectation from all of the rumors

00:50:40 ◼   ► and all of the reports are saying that

00:50:42 ◼   ► that is gonna be this year,

00:50:43 ◼   ► that we will see the first set of apps

00:50:46 ◼   ► being able to be released from iPad to the Mac.

00:50:50 ◼   ► I think it's very exciting.

00:50:51 ◼   ► I'm very intrigued about it.

00:50:52 ◼   ► I think from Apple's perspective, as you say,

00:50:55 ◼   ► it makes perfect sense,

00:50:56 ◼   ► because they're able to take two platforms,

00:50:58 ◼   ► which are the Mac and the iPad,

00:51:00 ◼   ► which are doing great, but they're not the iPhone.

00:51:02 ◼   ► And if they can kind of concentrate development

00:51:05 ◼   ► around one single application,

00:51:07 ◼   ► it might help both platforms,

00:51:09 ◼   ► because a company could make a good iPad app

00:51:12 ◼   ► and they'll get the Mac version,

00:51:14 ◼   ► and they will do some tweaks to make it work well,

00:51:17 ◼   ► you would hope, but then they don't have to start

00:51:19 ◼   ► from the start, and I think part of this is because,

00:51:21 ◼   ► really, in recent years, Mac development has slowed down

00:51:25 ◼   ► quite a lot, and there are not a lot of new Mac apps anymore,

00:51:28 ◼   ► and this gives Apple the ability to allow for that platform

00:51:31 ◼   ► to still get attention and love and care,

00:51:34 ◼   ► as long as they do it right.

00:51:35 ◼   ► So there's gonna be a lot of particulars

00:51:37 ◼   ► about just how well this is gonna work,

00:51:39 ◼   ► but for someone like me, who is predominantly iOS,

00:51:42 ◼   ► Like I'm really hoping for it because I have some applications that I absolutely

00:51:45 ◼   ► rely on that when I'm sitting at the Mac,

00:51:47 ◼   ► I would love to be able to get access to, you know,

00:51:49 ◼   ► like we mentioned Timery before and the, the,

00:51:52 ◼   ► the time zone app that I love Calzones.

00:51:54 ◼   ► Like I want to be able to have those apps on my Mac because the stuff that I'm

00:51:59 ◼   ► using on my Mac, it's just not as good as the iOS apps that I'm used to using.

00:52:03 ◼   ► So, you know, I mean, you have complained for a long time about like,

00:52:07 ◼   ► say like Fantastic Cal that it's like,

00:52:09 ◼   ► it's different on the platforms and this will hopefully start to bring a lot of that closer

00:52:15 ◼   ► together for some developers. And I was mentioning earlier, right, there aren't a lot of desktop

00:52:21 ◼   ► podcast clients? Well that will change, right, with marzipan, because there are loads of

00:52:25 ◼   ► iOS podcast apps, but I can't think of any that make an actual desktop application, there's

00:52:32 ◼   ► some that have web players and stuff, but this will allow for that.

00:52:35 ◼   ► It has a Mac app? It has an actual separate Mac app, because I know I used that for years.

00:52:41 ◼   ► But it's interesting because I sort of think of the Marzipan project, it's almost like a conservation project.

00:52:49 ◼   ► In the sense of, there's a resource out in the world, which is developer attention.

00:52:56 ◼   ► And there's only so many developers able to work on so many things.

00:53:03 ◼   ► things. Skilled developers are a non-infinite resource. And I think that's why we see it

00:53:10 ◼   ► play out that there is this economy of scale effect just in the computing world in general.

00:53:18 ◼   ► Like for example, Windows Phone became extinct and I think part of the reason was because

00:53:23 ◼   ► it was just like one platform too many for developers to spread their resources across.

00:53:30 ◼   ► And it's interesting talking sometimes to people who create apps or who run companies

00:53:36 ◼   ► that have an app side.

00:53:38 ◼   ► And you very much have to make this decision about what platforms are we going to spend

00:53:43 ◼   ► developer attention on.

00:53:44 ◼   ► And it's like, okay, we're going to make something for Android and we're going to make something

00:53:50 ◼   ► for the iPhone.

00:53:51 ◼   ► And it's like, that's 100% for sure.

00:53:53 ◼   ► And then after that, you run into this limited resources problem.

00:53:57 ◼   ► Right, but even then, companies will prioritize.

00:54:00 ◼   ► Sometimes you'll be like, "Right, we're going to make an Android version first,

00:54:03 ◼   ► and then iOS will come later, or vice versa."

00:54:06 ◼   ► That's a part of it, and then I think these days,

00:54:10 ◼   ► if you're making an application from the start,

00:54:13 ◼   ► like iPad and the Mac, it's probably a toss-up between them,

00:54:16 ◼   ► and they're definitely at the bottom of the list.

00:54:18 ◼   ► And I think Apple would prefer it if that wasn't the case.

00:54:20 ◼   ► If Apple pulls off Marzipan in the way that would be ideal,

00:54:26 ◼   ► I really think of it as like this conservation project.

00:54:29 ◼   ► It's like, oh, it's almost like installing

00:54:33 ◼   ► more efficient electric light bulbs in a bunch of houses.

00:54:36 ◼   ► It's like, oh, okay, great.

00:54:37 ◼   ► We still have the same amount of electricity.

00:54:38 ◼   ► We still have the same amount of developer time,

00:54:40 ◼   ► but we can now more efficiently

00:54:42 ◼   ► distribute this to produce more.

00:54:44 ◼   ► So I'm really interested to see how it goes,

00:54:47 ◼   ► and I think it totally makes sense

00:54:49 ◼   ► as a long-term Apple project.

00:54:51 ◼   ► And so now I hope to see a lot of interesting things

00:54:54 ◼   ► about marzipan at WWDC.

00:54:57 ◼   ► - Let me tell you one that I know is gonna make you happy.

00:55:00 ◼   ► There are very strong indications

00:55:01 ◼   ► of a system-wide dark mode for iOS.

00:55:04 ◼   ► - No, no, don't (beep) talk to me about dark mode

00:55:07 ◼   ► because no, no, look.

00:55:10 ◼   ► No, (beep) you because every year,

00:55:15 ◼   ► every goddamn year it's the same thing.

00:55:19 ◼   ► It's like, oh, dark mode's gonna be this year for sure.

00:55:23 ◼   ► I'm sure someone can put together a compilation of every year on Cortex me going like,

00:55:27 ◼   ► "This year's the year for Dark Mode!"

00:55:29 ◼   ► So no, Myke, no.

00:55:31 ◼   ► I've given up. Dark Mode, not gonna happen this year.

00:55:34 ◼   ► I'm saying 100% not going to happen this year,

00:55:37 ◼   ► because it's never going to happen, because I can't put my heart into hoping for Dark Mode.

00:55:45 ◼   ► So don't you dare do this.

00:55:46 ◼   ► Don't you dare do this to me about "This year is the year for Dark Mode."

00:55:50 ◼   ► Obviously not going to be, we know, but if it was going to be, people would say that

00:55:57 ◼   ► as well there would also be a toggle in Control Center, which feels kind of perfect, if it

00:56:00 ◼   ► was going to be such a thing that would ever exist.

00:56:03 ◼   ► Yeah, of course, that's the way it should be, is a system-wide, look everybody, it's

00:56:06 ◼   ► dark mode time now.

00:56:08 ◼   ► God damn it, Myke.

00:56:10 ◼   ► No, I refuse to discuss dark mode anyway.

00:56:13 ◼   ► It's not going to happen.

00:56:14 ◼   ► I'm not even gonna get my hopes up that what I think is obviously an accessibility feature

00:56:22 ◼   ► is actually gonna make it, so I don't wanna hear it, Myke.

00:56:25 ◼   ► No.

00:56:26 ◼   ► Next item!

00:56:27 ◼   ► The new version of Android coming this year, they have a dark mode, and they said, like,

00:56:31 ◼   ► they called it out during Google I/O, they were like, "It actually improves your battery

00:56:34 ◼   ► life."

00:56:35 ◼   ► Which is like, I agree, yeah, it probably does, especially on OLED phones.

00:56:39 ◼   ► Oh yeah, yeah, for the OLED phones, that's true, because the pixels are truly off.

00:56:43 ◼   ► I would love to know what the number is though, right?

00:56:46 ◼   ► Like it can't be more than five percent.

00:56:48 ◼   ► - So here's what I was thinking on that, right?

00:56:50 ◼   ► Like Apple would not say that.

00:56:53 ◼   ► Android, like Google needs to say that

00:56:55 ◼   ► because Android phones battery life is so crazy.

00:56:58 ◼   ► Some of it's like the best battery life

00:57:00 ◼   ► you can get on a phone and some of it's abysmal, right?

00:57:02 ◼   ► Like they run the whole gamut,

00:57:03 ◼   ► even on like the top tier phones, right?

00:57:07 ◼   ► Like it just, it's 'cause it's so variable across them all,

00:57:10 ◼   ► but because Apple just make a small set of phones,

00:57:13 ◼   ► they can kind of control that battery life story a bit better, right? Because we make

00:57:17 ◼   ► these phones and there is like a 90 minute difference between the top and the bottom.

00:57:21 ◼   ► But like on Android, it's like, well, this one could run for three hours or this one

00:57:24 ◼   ► could run for six weeks, right? Like it's just, they can go wherever they want in that

00:57:29 ◼   ► kind of realm. So they'll mention it. But yeah, it would be a big difference.

00:57:33 ◼   ► iPad multitasking. Something happened to me today, Gray, that has never happened before.

00:57:38 ◼   ► I'm pleased that it happened now. I had to explain to somebody over text message how to use split screen on the iPad. Oh

00:57:45 ◼   ► Okay text only that was your only only method of communicate how'd that go

00:57:52 ◼   ► It actually went fine, but I had to really think about how to describe it

00:57:59 ◼   ► Like our friend Federico

00:58:04 ◼   ► I am overall a fan of the way that Apple implemented the enhancements to multitasking on the iPad

00:58:11 ◼   ► Federico just wrote this wonderful article about working on the iPad and he talks about multitasking in it quite a lot and

00:58:17 ◼   ► He reminded me of what it used to be like with the old app switcher

00:58:21 ◼   ► Right, and I am so pleased that we do not live in that world anymore

00:58:25 ◼   ► but I am very aware of the complexity of the system and

00:58:31 ◼   ► the things that it is lacking and I'm really hoping and I have my fingers crossed and

00:58:36 ◼   ► all the signs are really pointing to that we're gonna see some changes this year because

00:58:40 ◼   ► The same rumors for the same stuff that we're getting now

00:58:44 ◼   ► They were all rumored last year

00:58:46 ◼   ► But then there was this there was a lot of backlash against Apple and they had to focus on performance and stability

00:58:51 ◼   ► So they put the iPad stuff on the back burner

00:58:53 ◼   ► So my hope is not only are we gonna get

00:58:57 ◼   ► enhancements to iPad multitasking, they're actually going to be even better because they've had longer to work on them.

00:59:02 ◼   ► So what I want to see and what I hope we will and I think we will is some refinements to the system.

00:59:07 ◼   ► Like there are times where

00:59:09 ◼   ► multitasking on iOS, so having multiple apps open and how you open those apps is

00:59:14 ◼   ► Conkey to say the least. It works and if you know how it works, it's very powerful

00:59:19 ◼   ► But you've got to get your head around it and I would love to see them make some changes to it. So, you know, I

00:59:25 ◼   ► still

00:59:26 ◼   ► Wish for what you asked for two years ago

00:59:29 ◼   ► Which is the ability and just using keyboard shortcuts to be able to open applications and move them around. I

00:59:34 ◼   ► I really hope that that's something that exists, but that still feels like it's on the edge

00:59:39 ◼   ► I would just like to see some changes Myke remember when we first

00:59:43 ◼   ► Complained about keyboard shortcuts and I had what I thought was a very modest proposal

00:59:49 ◼   ► You know, we we heard back sort of like

00:59:53 ◼   ► But like totally from the inside, like, "Oh, don't worry, we've got something amazing

00:59:58 ◼   ► that you won't even be wanting those keyboard shortcuts."

01:00:03 ◼   ► And then it's like, "Okay, two years later, here we are."

01:00:07 ◼   ► Well, maybe now.

01:00:08 ◼   ► Maybe now you're going to get the amazing thing.

01:00:10 ◼   ► But I feel like Apple didn't get the chance, for whatever reason,

01:00:13 ◼   ► the people that work on this stuff, to actually iterate.

01:00:16 ◼   ► We are still using, two years later, version one of this new multitasking system.

01:00:20 ◼   ► So I'm hoping that we see some iteration on it.

01:00:23 ◼   ► And one of the big things, which is,

01:00:25 ◼   ► this is being reported on very widely,

01:00:27 ◼   ► but it's very, no one seems to have

01:00:29 ◼   ► a real consistent way to explain it.

01:00:31 ◼   ► But the idea of being able to run multiple instances

01:00:36 ◼   ► or windows of the same application in multiple places.

01:00:40 ◼   ► Now this is like a key thing, right?

01:00:43 ◼   ► So like the ability to have two Google Sheets open

01:00:45 ◼   ► next to each other, or to be able to have Google Sheets

01:00:48 ◼   ► and twitter open, I don't know why you would do that but you could, in one app pair and

01:00:54 ◼   ► google sheets and google docs open in another app pair and they don't break and they stay

01:00:58 ◼   ► together.

01:00:59 ◼   ► This is the kind of stuff that, again when you start thinking, so here's where a lot

01:01:04 ◼   ► of this can kind of start to come full circle, that kind of needs to be in place more heavily

01:01:13 ◼   ► if you are thinking about iPad apps on the Mac.

01:01:16 ◼   ► - Right, right, of course.

01:01:19 ◼   ► - Right, so when you start to think about those two things

01:01:21 ◼   ► in parallel about multiple windows and multiple views,

01:01:25 ◼   ► you can start to see that obviously,

01:01:27 ◼   ► if you wanna make an app feel at home on the Mac,

01:01:29 ◼   ► that's very normal.

01:01:30 ◼   ► So then you could be like,

01:01:31 ◼   ► well, if it's gonna be on the Mac,

01:01:32 ◼   ► then they can find a way to do it on the iPad as well.

01:01:35 ◼   ► And that might be part of the reason why,

01:01:37 ◼   ► because that's complex enough,

01:01:38 ◼   ► why they focused on the iPad for this first version,

01:01:41 ◼   ► not the iPhone.

01:01:42 ◼   ► So my hope would be that we're gonna see

01:01:44 ◼   ► not just improvements to multitasking,

01:01:47 ◼   ► but also just the way that the system itself is navigated

01:01:51 ◼   ► and to be made to be more powerful

01:01:54 ◼   ► for people that want it more powerful like me

01:01:56 ◼   ► and also more approachable

01:01:58 ◼   ► for people that need it to be more approachable,

01:02:00 ◼   ► but also that we would see the ability to use applications

01:02:03 ◼   ► in multiple places without disrupting

01:02:07 ◼   ► the other views of the app that we've got.

01:02:09 ◼   ► I think that would be amazing.

01:02:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, that would actually address perhaps

01:02:14 ◼   ► one of my workflow frustrations in that,

01:02:18 ◼   ► because I've come to terms with using the iPad

01:02:20 ◼   ► as a research/reading buddy instead of as the primary device

01:02:25 ◼   ► that I'm doing computing on.

01:02:26 ◼   ► Also, it should now be more obvious

01:02:28 ◼   ► in retrospect to the listeners,

01:02:29 ◼   ► partly because I've been using Final Cut Pro

01:02:32 ◼   ► a hell of a lot more over the last two years

01:02:34 ◼   ► for some projects, which is definitely a thing

01:02:37 ◼   ► that influenced my move back to the Mac

01:02:40 ◼   ► that I couldn't really talk about before.

01:02:41 ◼   ► But one of the frustrations that I have

01:02:43 ◼   ► that would be great is the ability

01:02:45 ◼   ► to have multiple windows in Safari,

01:02:47 ◼   ► because as often I'm working on like two

01:02:51 ◼   ► or three video projects sort of in parallel,

01:02:55 ◼   ► and I've been using the iPad for like looking up stuff,

01:02:58 ◼   ► which I totally love.

01:02:59 ◼   ► You know, I always end up with like,

01:03:01 ◼   ► here's 20 tabs that are about this one project,

01:03:03 ◼   ► and they're right next to here's 20 tabs

01:03:05 ◼   ► about this other project.

01:03:06 ◼   ► And I'd love to be able to, like I can on the computer,

01:03:09 ◼   ► say this is the Safari window that's holding all the tabs for project A, and this is the Safari

01:03:15 ◼   ► window that's holding all of the tabs for project B and to keep them separate. That would be great.

01:03:19 ◼   ► It's very easy to do on the Mac, but it's not possible right now to do on the iPad. So if there

01:03:24 ◼   ► was an ability to do multiple instances of Safari, I would use the heck out of that every single day.

01:03:31 ◼   ► That would be a very big workflow improvement because right now I end up just trying to always

01:03:37 ◼   ► always rearrange the tabs to put all of the same ones together

01:03:40 ◼   ► and then scroll horizontally back and forth between the groups,

01:03:43 ◼   ► which is fine, but it's not ideal,

01:03:46 ◼   ► and it's very easy to lose a tab somewhere in those bunches.

01:03:49 ◼   ► So that would be great. That'd be really great.

01:03:51 ◼   ► Yeah, this is the thing that I am hoping for the most,

01:03:55 ◼   ► is these multiple app instances and multitasking improvements.

01:03:59 ◼   ► Would you use that with Google Sheets and Google Docs for show prep?

01:04:02 ◼   ► Is that the use case for you?

01:04:04 ◼   ► Just so many, right? Like the ability, for example, to just always have a Safari window

01:04:13 ◼   ► and a Google Sheet open for when I want to do invoicing, right? It just lives there and

01:04:18 ◼   ► I could just go into that space whenever I wanted. But even just something as simple

01:04:22 ◼   ► as, which is something I do all the time, two Google Docs. I very frequently need to

01:04:26 ◼   ► be able to use two Google Docs at the same time for like show preparation stuff and for

01:04:31 ◼   ► research stuff but also just the idea of not having to every time I want to

01:04:36 ◼   ► change from looking at notes to looking at sheets to have to like oh well now

01:04:42 ◼   ► I've got to break down this app pair and rebuild it again like I really like the

01:04:46 ◼   ► idea of being able to have that and then have some kind of like really nice

01:04:50 ◼   ► window management right so like I'm not like hunting for that space that I built

01:04:54 ◼   ► right like I really I really am I'm really hoping that we start to see a lot

01:05:00 ◼   ► more about this, I feel like I'll end up getting in trouble for saying something like this,

01:05:06 ◼   ► but what an actual real future operating system could look like.

01:05:14 ◼   ► You have the ability here to be like, look, we're all using touch screens now and touch

01:05:20 ◼   ► screens are clearly the future because they're the current and they're dominant and PCs all

01:05:26 ◼   ► have touch screens. So like touch is a huge part of computing. It's probably, you know what, I'm

01:05:30 ◼   ► going to strike that. Touch is the main way that people interact with computing devices now,

01:05:35 ◼   ► because we all use our phones all the time, right? So I would love to see just a different way of

01:05:42 ◼   ► thinking about this type of stuff, like window management and application management, and how

01:05:46 ◼   ► we arrange them and how we navigate between them on a device that is a big, beautiful touch screen.

01:05:52 ◼   ► So like let's let's continue pushing that forward and I hope that

01:05:56 ◼   ► Some of this stuff is going to show me a little bit more about that because I can see parts of it in here

01:06:01 ◼   ► Right. It's like when I go into the current multitasking and I have all these little live previews of all these windows

01:06:07 ◼   ► Like that's visually quite nice because I can see like oh that's that one and that's that one and that's that one

01:06:12 ◼   ► So I'm hoping to see some stuff there

01:06:14 ◼   ► but one of the things that I also really want which would tie into this is I

01:06:18 ◼   ► I don't want to see a grid of app icons anymore.

01:06:20 ◼   ► Yeah, that has always felt out of place on the iPad in particular.

01:06:25 ◼   ► Let's change the desktop, right?

01:06:27 ◼   ► Let me create my own shortcuts to open these two applications together.

01:06:32 ◼   ► Let's put some documents on there. Let's put some widgets.

01:06:34 ◼   ► Let's get rid of this silly app icon grid, right,

01:06:39 ◼   ► which shouldn't be on the iPad in 2019 the way that this looks.

01:06:44 ◼   ► It should be a little bit more rich than that.

01:06:46 ◼   ► And again, this is something that's just been rumoured for a couple of years.

01:06:49 ◼   ► The rumours have come around again this year that there's going to be more going on in the home screen.

01:06:53 ◼   ► So we'll see about that.

01:06:54 ◼   ► Yeah, I'd be curious if that actually comes to pass because that does feel like an annual,

01:07:00 ◼   ► "Oh, this has to change because it's so obviously dumb to just have these tiny squares on this gigantic screen

01:07:06 ◼   ► and it's totally useless real estate."

01:07:08 ◼   ► I'd love to see something more interesting and more usable, but I wouldn't count on that anytime soon.

01:07:14 ◼   ► but you know, I'd love to see it.

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01:08:48 ◼   ► In leading up to this episode of being recorded, this isn't why people did this, but there

01:08:54 ◼   ► have been a bunch of different reports.

01:08:56 ◼   ► So the two biggest reports are Mark Gurman at Bloomberg and Guillermo Rambo at 9to5Mac.

01:09:02 ◼   ► These are the two individuals who have had the most to say and they're credible people

01:09:07 ◼   ► who seem to have very good information.

01:09:10 ◼   ► And both of them are talking about updates to reminders and mail and there being significant

01:09:17 ◼   ► feature improvements and the both. Reminders is basically, let's actually do something

01:09:22 ◼   ► with reminders.

01:09:23 ◼   ► What is it? Has that been updated in 10 years? I don't know if it has.

01:09:27 ◼   ► It hasn't been touched in a very long time.

01:09:29 ◼   ► Doesn't it still have the paper texture on it in the background?

01:09:31 ◼   ► It does, yes.

01:09:32 ◼   ► Yeah, but so does Notes, though. It's very faint, but it is there.

01:09:35 ◼   ► Yeah, Notes, every time I notice it, it makes me smile. It's like, "Oh, hi. Hi, the

01:09:40 ◼   ► ghost of Steve Jobs still haunting this phone."

01:09:42 ◼   ► Notes, like, notes I can excuse it for when the Apple Pencil came around. Like, now I

01:09:47 ◼   ► can excuse it again. Like, I didn't excuse it when they kept it, but now I do. But, so,

01:09:52 ◼   ► you know, what's actually going to come to remind us in Mail, like, the reports seem

01:09:56 ◼   ► to be indicating different stuff, but, like, for example, we could see snoozing features

01:10:00 ◼   ► come to Mail. So, like, stuff to actually, which I think, you know, whether you use those

01:10:05 ◼   ► types of features or not, I think Apple's Mail app is falling behind on what Mail apps

01:10:10 ◼   ► do today and I would love to see them add some stuff in which makes it a little bit

01:10:14 ◼   ► more current.

01:10:16 ◼   ► Yeah, if Apple introduced in their mail apps some kind of snoozing or boomerang feature

01:10:23 ◼   ► where you can tell a message to go away and then come back later, I would finally seriously

01:10:28 ◼   ► think about using that as part of the workflow because, you know, like we've discussed the

01:10:32 ◼   ► wheel of email apps.

01:10:34 ◼   ► I just, I never quite want to get into that with any particular app because it always,

01:10:38 ◼   ► you're then really relying on that app and I just feel like, "Ugh, it's, you know, we've

01:10:44 ◼   ► discussed email many times." But if Apple introduced that, since I use the mail app

01:10:48 ◼   ► for my email anyway, I would begin to think about, "Oh, how does this make sense in my

01:10:52 ◼   ► workflow?"

01:10:53 ◼   ► Because you don't have to worry about Apple's mail app running out of money and closing

01:10:56 ◼   ► down.

01:10:57 ◼   ► Exactly, exactly.

01:10:58 ◼   ► Which I constantly worry about with every email app that I've ever used over the last

01:11:03 ◼   ► five years.

01:11:04 ◼   ► "What's the business model?"

01:11:06 ◼   ► "Nobody knows!"

01:11:07 ◼   ► Let's do this as well.

01:11:08 ◼   ► And Reminders as well, like, I have no idea what they're really going to do to this, but

01:11:12 ◼   ► what I hope they do is they do to Reminders what they did to Notes, because Notes became

01:11:16 ◼   ► a joke until they put focus on it a few years ago.

01:11:20 ◼   ► It's like, I was nine and made it good, and then they haven't needed to touch it really.

01:11:24 ◼   ► Yeah, Notes is great now.

01:11:25 ◼   ► Because Notes has rebuilt it and they made it fantastic, and they never did that to Reminders,

01:11:30 ◼   ► and Reminders has still kind of got stuck in the past, and I think it would be really

01:11:33 ◼   ► great for Apple to make an application that was closer to a todoist, right? Or a things,

01:11:40 ◼   ► you know? And I don't think that they're ever gonna, I don't think they're gonna get as

01:11:44 ◼   ► close to those things as app, as Notes did, get to Notes apps, right? Like, because I

01:11:51 ◼   ► think the inherent complexity of a good to do app will kind of stop them from being able

01:11:57 ◼   ► to get there without really sinking a lot of time into it, which is probably not necessary.

01:12:02 ◼   ► But it would be really great to see a…

01:12:06 ◼   ► You know what I would be super intrigued to see?

01:12:08 ◼   ► Can Apple make reminders so good that I would consider switching to it?

01:12:11 ◼   ► Oh wow, okay.

01:12:13 ◼   ► Because I could.

01:12:14 ◼   ► It's going to be a hide bar, but you could…

01:12:18 ◼   ► It is within the realm of possibility that they could do that for you.

01:12:21 ◼   ► It is way closer for me than it is for you, right?

01:12:23 ◼   ► Because ultimately I am using projects and due dates.

01:12:29 ◼   ► They are like the two main features that I use in a to-do app.

01:12:32 ◼   ► I'm very simple with what I'm doing and then I add little bits in here and there,

01:12:36 ◼   ► but I don't really need a lot more.

01:12:38 ◼   ► So I'm keen to see how close can they get to making something that I would really want

01:12:43 ◼   ► to use.

01:12:44 ◼   ► That's what I'm intrigued about.

01:12:45 ◼   ► The thing they could do for me is replace things as the alternate "Oh God, I need

01:12:52 ◼   ► something else to separately track the mission critical stuff."

01:12:56 ◼   ► they could replace things in my recommendation hierarchy

01:13:00 ◼   ► if they did to reminders what they did with notes.

01:13:05 ◼   ► So yeah, and of course,

01:13:07 ◼   ► as someone who is professionally interested in task managers,

01:13:10 ◼   ► anything they do, I'll be very interested to see what it is

01:13:13 ◼   ► no matter what they do.

01:13:16 ◼   ► Like, oh, they've added this, that's nice.

01:13:17 ◼   ► And I don't use reminders very often,

01:13:21 ◼   ► but I do find that it's perfect

01:13:25 ◼   ► for like a certain kind of lazy reminder

01:13:28 ◼   ► where I'll just be, you know,

01:13:29 ◼   ► I'll just say something like,

01:13:31 ◼   ► "Hey Siri, remind me to buy milk when I leave the office."

01:13:34 ◼   ► Like that kind of thing, that's what I use reminders for.

01:13:37 ◼   ► - Okay, I'll remind you about my milk when you leave work.

01:13:39 ◼   ► - Thank you, Siri, see, that's it.

01:13:41 ◼   ► That's the case where I use it sometimes and it's great.

01:13:48 ◼   ► And now when I get back to my office, which is what?

01:13:51 ◼   ► 2000 miles and at least two months away.

01:13:55 ◼   ► as soon as you leave it. - I will buy some milk.

01:13:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:57 ◼   ► - You're gonna be like, huh, okay.

01:14:00 ◼   ► You'll come home that day and you'll put the milk

01:14:02 ◼   ► in the fridge and say, there's so much milk here already.

01:14:04 ◼   ► What happened to me?

01:14:05 ◼   ► Something that I'm hoping that they do well

01:14:09 ◼   ► is screen time on the Mac.

01:14:11 ◼   ► - Oh God, yeah, I totally forgot about that.

01:14:13 ◼   ► That's the thing that I wanted.

01:14:14 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, I would like to see that.

01:14:15 ◼   ► - But that is a thing that is apparently coming

01:14:17 ◼   ► and it's like, what will that be?

01:14:18 ◼   ► Will that be for just apps that are iOS apps

01:14:21 ◼   ► or will it be for all apps?

01:14:22 ◼   ► Like how deep is it gonna go?

01:14:24 ◼   ► But I would love to have that collection of data, right?

01:14:28 ◼   ► As well as what's going on on my iOS devices.

01:14:31 ◼   ► This is what we spoke about when we did our big screen time

01:14:33 ◼   ► comparison episode.

01:14:35 ◼   ► Of like there is all this lost time

01:14:37 ◼   ► because we're doing stuff on the Mac.

01:14:39 ◼   ► So I would love to know what all of that data looks like

01:14:43 ◼   ► when also compared with my iOS devices as well.

01:14:46 ◼   ► I think it would be fascinating.

01:14:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, and just for completeness sake,

01:14:51 ◼   ► screen time on the Apple TV.

01:14:53 ◼   ► I thought he was going to sit on the Apple watch, but yes, on the Apple TV would be good too.

01:14:57 ◼   ► Right, because that's when we did our screen time comparison.

01:15:02 ◼   ► You still can't do it!

01:15:03 ◼   ► I know, I don't know why, I had such a hard time saying it.

01:15:06 ◼   ► Street crimes!

01:15:07 ◼   ► Street crimes! When we did our street crime episode!

01:15:09 ◼   ► This is like a two-step... I cannot say these words properly every time, but yeah,

01:15:16 ◼   ► whenever we did that comparison last time, that was like the big thing that was missing for me is

01:15:20 ◼   ► like, oh, I've also, when I'm not reading, I'm watching Netflix and like all this

01:15:24 ◼   ► time is totally unrepresented.

01:15:25 ◼   ► This does tie back into a little bit of my concerns about notification and

01:15:30 ◼   ► downtime though, where there's, I think very few people use it, but it is really

01:15:34 ◼   ► glitchy with how it handles websites and allowing or disallowing Safari as a, as

01:15:41 ◼   ► an app.

01:15:41 ◼   ► And like it constantly messes up this thing and there's some weird interactions

01:15:46 ◼   ► there and if they do bring screen time to the Mac and there's any kind of unified downtime,

01:15:55 ◼   ► I just genuinely hope they allow users to set different settings for different devices

01:16:01 ◼   ► because that's one of my current frustrations that however you want to use downtime right

01:16:05 ◼   ► now, you have no choice that it has to treat every single device the exact same way that's

01:16:10 ◼   ► signed into iCloud.

01:16:11 ◼   ► So you're saying you want that to be the case, you want to be able to say all of them?

01:16:15 ◼   ► I want to be able to specify different downtime settings

01:16:20 ◼   ► for my computer versus my phone.

01:16:21 ◼   ► - Right. - Right?

01:16:22 ◼   ► So like, iMessage is blocked everywhere in the morning,

01:16:26 ◼   ► but like maybe on the computer,

01:16:28 ◼   ► I don't want it for a different reason, right?

01:16:31 ◼   ► Or actually it's mainly Safari,

01:16:32 ◼   ► that's usually the one that's the problem.

01:16:34 ◼   ► - So on your iPhone and your iPad,

01:16:37 ◼   ► do they match up right now on the--

01:16:39 ◼   ► - They do, they match up right now,

01:16:41 ◼   ► and you have no ability to set them differently.

01:16:43 ◼   ► - Oh, that's crazy.

01:16:44 ◼   ► which causes some problems, particularly around Safari.

01:16:47 ◼   ► There's so much I don't know about this downtime system,

01:16:50 ◼   ► because I really don't know anybody that uses it except you.

01:16:54 ◼   ► I may be the only user.

01:16:55 ◼   ► I know people using the tools for parental control reasons, right?

01:16:59 ◼   ► But parental control reasons pretty much inherently means you don't know what's actually happening.

01:17:04 ◼   ► Right, and whoever is using the device doesn't want to tell you if there's leakage in the system.

01:17:11 ◼   ► "Papa, papa, I can get to the websites!"

01:17:15 ◼   ► Yeah, that's not happening.

01:17:17 ◼   ► There is, again, I don't even want to try to describe the situation.

01:17:21 ◼   ► I will just say that there's a lot of very strangeness in the behavior,

01:17:25 ◼   ► particularly around Safari,

01:17:27 ◼   ► and if Safari is available or if the websites are available or not.

01:17:31 ◼   ► And that's usually the one that causes me the most problem.

01:17:33 ◼   ► And so I would like to be able to have screen time tracking everything,

01:17:40 ◼   ► but then be able to separately specify like, "Oh, downtime applies to my iOS devices,

01:17:46 ◼   ► but I don't want it to apply to the computer."

01:17:48 ◼   ► Like, I would like to be able to set that up, but I have no expectations that that will be possible.

01:17:54 ◼   ► I will at this point, I would like to read to you a quote from Bloomberg about Apple Watch faces.

01:18:01 ◼   ► So this is, again, this is obviously not confirmed, we're not going to know,

01:18:05 ◼   ► but this is the report.

01:18:06 ◼   ► The company is planning several new watch faces, a gradient face that makes a gradient

01:18:11 ◼   ► look out of a color that the user chooses.

01:18:16 ◼   ► At least two new extra large faces that show jumbo numbers in different fonts and colors,

01:18:21 ◼   ► a California dial that looks like a classic watch face that mixes Roman numerals with

01:18:26 ◼   ► Arabic numerals, a redesigned solar analog face that looks like a sundial, and a new

01:18:35 ◼   ► Infograph subdial that includes larger complication views like a stock market chart or the weather.

01:18:42 ◼   ► [laughter]

01:18:43 ◼   ► Look. Look.

01:18:45 ◼   ► I will just go on to say that Apple is adding more watch face complications which show additional

01:18:54 ◼   ► snippets of information beyond just the time. There will be one that shows...

01:18:57 ◼   ► Oh wow.

01:18:58 ◼   ► I think that's strangely written. I think they're trying to explain what complications

01:19:02 ◼   ► are in this article as opposed to, but anyway, there'll be one that shows the status of audiobooks,

01:19:06 ◼   ► another showing the battery life of hearing aids, and one that measures external noise

01:19:10 ◼   ► and rain data. Is this all what you were looking for?

01:19:14 ◼   ► I don't want to be mean, but... But let me be mean for a minute.

01:19:21 ◼   ► But I don't know if it's constraints placed on them by the company, but the Apple Watch

01:19:32 ◼   ► face design team has had half a decade to do something genuinely useful and I think

01:19:42 ◼   ► they have basically totally failed at this job.

01:19:45 ◼   ► And it's endlessly frustrating to me how the Apple Watch, which still is a device that

01:19:53 ◼   ► I totally love, is so hamstrung by the watch faces.

01:20:00 ◼   ► From a very high level, what do you want to see?

01:20:03 ◼   ► Here's like a very basic problem is whoever is designing these faces doesn't know how

01:20:12 ◼   ► looking at a watch works.

01:20:14 ◼   ► So I use the Infograph face right now which has the analog watch hands and then you can

01:20:20 ◼   ► put some circle complications.

01:20:21 ◼   ► Okay, so you're using the one with the watch face not the modular one which is like just

01:20:26 ◼   ► a digital face.

01:20:27 ◼   ► Yes.

01:20:28 ◼   ► So the modular one is so ugly it could cause a seizure if you look directly at it.

01:20:34 ◼   ► It's horrific.

01:20:35 ◼   ► That's problematic for a watch.

01:20:36 ◼   ► It is, yes.

01:20:37 ◼   ► Even like the freaking font they use for the numbers is like a font for morons.

01:20:44 ◼   ► But so I'm using the Infograph watch face and it's like okay, here's a basic idea of

01:20:50 ◼   ► design which is like information hierarchy.

01:20:54 ◼   ► Something like if I'm making a video and say you're trying to explain something to people,

01:20:58 ◼   ► I spend a lot of time thinking about,

01:21:01 ◼   ► when this is on screen, what's the focus of the thing?

01:21:05 ◼   ► Like, what's the primary thing

01:21:07 ◼   ► that people are going to be looking at?

01:21:09 ◼   ► And you wanna like, draw their eye to that thing.

01:21:12 ◼   ► And there can be more stuff on the screen,

01:21:16 ◼   ► but you shouldn't have competing focuses.

01:21:20 ◼   ► And so, on this watch face,

01:21:23 ◼   ► what are you, why don't you look at,

01:21:24 ◼   ► like, when you look at a watch,

01:21:26 ◼   ► why are you looking at the watch?

01:21:28 ◼   ► I want to know what the time is.

01:21:29 ◼   ► Right! So do I 80 to 90 percent of the time that I'm looking at a watch.

01:21:34 ◼   ► But like, on this watch face, what is the most difficult thing to read?

01:21:38 ◼   ► It's the freaking time.

01:21:40 ◼   ► Because the markers for the hours are less bright than they could be.

01:21:48 ◼   ► There's too many little markers so it's not visually easy to be able to distinguish like how far along the minute hand is.

01:21:54 ◼   ► Reading the time is actually quite hard.

01:21:57 ◼   ► And what is all the secondary information, which is the complications, are visually much brighter than the actual watch face itself.

01:22:07 ◼   ► And like this is such a basic fundamental failure in displaying information that it's like really this year when they rolled out these watch faces and I had like, I had a kind of mental breakdown that I smartly avoided putting online.

01:22:25 ◼   ► we talked about it ages ago where I was like snapshotting all the watch faces and I was

01:22:29 ◼   ► like, I'm going to make something complaining about all this and then I decided to put that

01:22:32 ◼   ► aside. Like I just to me it totally confirms like whatever this team is doing, it's a total

01:22:38 ◼   ► failure on every level and there's no hope for the future.

01:22:41 ◼   ► Let's just, let's just, let's just wait until next week before we categorically state that.

01:22:49 ◼   ► Right, let's just wait.

01:22:51 ◼   ► Look, whatever they're doing, I think it just has to be opened up to developers to do their own things.

01:22:58 ◼   ► Yeah, I will tell you that that is absolutely nowhere in these reports that that's going to be coming this year.

01:23:04 ◼   ► Third-party watch faces.

01:23:05 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't think it's ever going to come.

01:23:08 ◼   ► And I think Apple thinks they're doing a great job with this.

01:23:10 ◼   ► I think it will because we said this about custom keyboards, right?

01:23:15 ◼   ► Like the idea of Apple allowing anyone to make a custom keyboard seemed wild.

01:23:19 ◼   ► I think at a certain point, right, they're going to come to a version of WatchOS where

01:23:24 ◼   ► they're like, we need a big feature this year, so it's time to do it.

01:23:30 ◼   ► I think that at some point they're going to run out of features that they want to implement

01:23:34 ◼   ► and then this is the big one that will be like the linchpin for that year.

01:23:38 ◼   ► But I just think that they haven't gotten there.

01:23:40 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean it looks like this year it's going to be a lot more health stuff.

01:23:43 ◼   ► They're going to be bringing a bunch of health apps and also, which I think is hilarious,

01:23:47 ◼   ► I kind of can't believe it's true, but I understand why, but I still can't believe it.

01:23:51 ◼   ► The rumor is they're going to be putting an app store directly onto the Apple Watch so

01:23:54 ◼   ► you can download apps on the watch without needing the phone.

01:23:58 ◼   ► I just, I don't, that's ridiculous.

01:24:00 ◼   ► I don't think that's, that can't be true.

01:24:01 ◼   ► So it is a necessary part of making the watch completely independent from the phone, which

01:24:06 ◼   ► at some point in the future it will be, right?

01:24:08 ◼   ► Because that just makes sense.

01:24:11 ◼   ► So you kind of need to have an app store on it, but I cannot even begin to conceive of

01:24:15 ◼   ► how that works visually.

01:24:18 ◼   ► That's an interesting question of if Apple wants to make it completely independent from

01:24:22 ◼   ► the phone.

01:24:23 ◼   ► I think that just naturally that's the way these things go because like if you imagine

01:24:26 ◼   ► a future of AR glasses, it would be perfect if it just communicated with a watch and you

01:24:32 ◼   ► never needed the phone.

01:24:34 ◼   ► Maybe.

01:24:35 ◼   ► I just wonder from a pure bean-counter-Tim Cook bottom line, like if they would ever

01:24:40 ◼   ► do that.

01:24:41 ◼   ► It is pretty independent as it stands right now, right?

01:24:44 ◼   ► Like over the last few years they've been making it more and more and more so and then

01:24:48 ◼   ► for some reason they're going to put apps, an app store on it to continue that.

01:24:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:24:53 ◼   ► The crossing point for me about like if they make it independent is if it could solve the

01:24:58 ◼   ► use case that I've had many parents ask me, which is can I get my kid an Apple Watch without

01:25:05 ◼   ► having to get them a phone?

01:25:07 ◼   ► Like I've actually had a surprising number of parents like they want to do that as a

01:25:11 ◼   ► thing.

01:25:12 ◼   ► much sense to me like as a thing where like in theory you can track them and

01:25:15 ◼   ► you can contact them but they can't really use it and you know like you

01:25:21 ◼   ► can't get a lot done on it you can't play games on it you can't watch videos

01:25:25 ◼   ► on it like so that this is like a reason why like I think that they will get to

01:25:29 ◼   ► it because it has use cases like that yeah so that they are moving there but

01:25:33 ◼   ► yeah this is still not perfect and it's you still have to do a lot and if you

01:25:37 ◼   ► want to run a watch independently right now you will murder the battery because

01:25:41 ◼   ► it will be on LTE all the time and it will just kill it.

01:25:45 ◼   ► - I would like them to do it.

01:25:46 ◼   ► I could conceive of them never quite fully separating

01:25:50 ◼   ► out the watch so that the use case of my child

01:25:52 ◼   ► has no other Apple device except for the watch is possible.

01:25:56 ◼   ► Because that also would mean things like,

01:25:58 ◼   ► how do you set up your iCloud account?

01:26:00 ◼   ► There's a whole lot that goes with this

01:26:02 ◼   ► and I could see Apple never quite going all the way there.

01:26:05 ◼   ► But I think it would be good from a consumer perspective

01:26:10 ◼   ► to be able to slap an Apple Watch on your kid,

01:26:13 ◼   ► like a radio tracking collar,

01:26:15 ◼   ► and keep an eye on what they're up to

01:26:17 ◼   ► and get in touch with them in emergency

01:26:18 ◼   ► without also exposing them to the horrors of Instagram.

01:26:22 ◼   ► - I think that there is a level of device independence,

01:26:26 ◼   ► which is different to the way that we think about

01:26:28 ◼   ► when the iPhone completely became untethered from the Mac.

01:26:33 ◼   ► I think you could still use a device to set it up,

01:26:37 ◼   ► but it's not stuck to that one.

01:26:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's interesting.

01:26:40 ◼   ► That's an interesting possibility.

01:26:41 ◼   ► Yeah, you could set it up as here's the parent device

01:26:43 ◼   ► and the child device.

01:26:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, like everyone's gonna have access to a device,

01:26:46 ◼   ► right, and then you just set it up,

01:26:48 ◼   ► you put the information you need into the watch app,

01:26:50 ◼   ► and then that's it, and then they're completely,

01:26:52 ◼   ► it's like, let out into the wild, right?

01:26:56 ◼   ► And now it can roam free out in the plains.

01:26:59 ◼   ► Let's talk about hardware,

01:27:01 ◼   ► because there's a potential for a few hardware things,

01:27:03 ◼   ► and I just wanna see what you think.

01:27:05 ◼   ► So there are two main products

01:27:09 ◼   ► that could be most likely, if anything,

01:27:11 ◼   ► just shown off, not put on sale.

01:27:14 ◼   ► And that is a new MacBook Pro,

01:27:16 ◼   ► which the rumor is a completely brand new design,

01:27:19 ◼   ► 16-inch, all-new MacBook Pro.

01:27:22 ◼   ► - Wait, can I pause you there for a second?

01:27:25 ◼   ► Because didn't Apple just released a speed bump

01:27:30 ◼   ► for the existing MacBook line, right?

01:27:32 ◼   ► - They did, yes.

01:27:33 ◼   ► - I didn't hallucinate that,

01:27:34 ◼   ► because that made me very sad when that came out,

01:27:36 ◼   ► because I thought that meant,

01:27:37 ◼   ► "Oh, no more new MacBooks."

01:27:40 ◼   ► But you're saying that the rumors are still alive

01:27:41 ◼   ► that there's a new design,

01:27:43 ◼   ► even though they just speed up the old one?

01:27:44 ◼   ► That seems really unlikely.

01:27:46 ◼   ► - The rumor that exists is for a 16-inch MacBook Pro

01:27:51 ◼   ► with a brand new design.

01:27:52 ◼   ► - Okay, so that's bigger than the current one, yeah?

01:27:55 ◼   ► - Yes, at least the screen is bigger.

01:27:57 ◼   ► Whether the device is bigger or not remains to be seen.

01:28:00 ◼   ► - Oh, right, right, of course, okay.

01:28:01 ◼   ► - But it is most likely,

01:28:03 ◼   ► and many people, including me, have always felt

01:28:06 ◼   ► that this MacBook Pro would exist as the top end of the current lineup. So the 13 and 15

01:28:13 ◼   ► that exist right now, they'd still keep selling those and then they would sell the 16 as well.

01:28:18 ◼   ► And there's been a lot of history for this. The first Retina MacBook Pro, that was the

01:28:22 ◼   ► most expensive one you could get and there was only one of them and it was the 15 inch

01:28:26 ◼   ► and they were still selling a non-Retina 15 and non-Retina 13.

01:28:29 ◼   ► Oh yeah, okay. Okay, that's interesting.

01:28:31 ◼   ► Because this new MacBook Pro, if it is a brand new design with a bunch of interesting new

01:28:35 ◼   ► new stuff and it's like it's all amazing and whiz bang and it solves every problem that

01:28:39 ◼   ► everybody has about the current MacBook Pro lineup will be more expensive and considering

01:28:45 ◼   ► the rumor is only for a larger one they're not going to replace the 13 and the 15 with

01:28:51 ◼   ► a 16 because that's that doesn't make any sense so right I think that this for me personally

01:28:58 ◼   ► has not changed the likelihood of this in any way it's either it was gonna happen or

01:29:04 ◼   ► not going to happen. I don't think doing this speed bump changes that because I don't even

01:29:08 ◼   ► think they would have wanted to have the speed bump on stage anyway because it still hasn't

01:29:13 ◼   ► really fixed the keyboard. Like they addressed that they made some material changes to the

01:29:17 ◼   ► keyboard but it's still the same mechanism. Yeah, if I was Apple I wouldn't want to go

01:29:23 ◼   ► up on stage with a new computer or a speed bump like unless you can feel like you've

01:29:28 ◼   ► really nailed that problem. Like oh we made the computers faster and you know like everybody

01:29:33 ◼   ► watching worldwide is just thinking, "What about the keyboard?"

01:29:37 ◼   ► Because as well, it was kind of interesting in all of the press releases that Apple gave,

01:29:43 ◼   ► they didn't mention the keyboard, but they gave a bunch of interviews with different

01:29:47 ◼   ► members of the press where they did speak about the keyboard. So to the world, it's

01:29:53 ◼   ► faster. But to key people in certain industries, professionals who care about the fact that

01:30:00 ◼   ► that keyboards don't work properly.

01:30:01 ◼   ► They were saying that like,

01:30:02 ◼   ► we have made some changes to change the reliability.

01:30:05 ◼   ► And they've also as well now,

01:30:08 ◼   ► if you have any Mac with those butterfly keyboards,

01:30:13 ◼   ► they have been entered into this keyboard repair program.

01:30:16 ◼   ► So in or out of AppleCare, they will fix it.

01:30:19 ◼   ► - In the gray household,

01:30:22 ◼   ► I literally have three or four machines

01:30:26 ◼   ► that I would just like, yeah,

01:30:27 ◼   ► you need to replace the keyboards on all of these,

01:30:29 ◼   ► like between me and my wife.

01:30:30 ◼   ► - Only if they're broken.

01:30:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:32 ◼   ► But that's what I mean.

01:30:33 ◼   ► Keyboards that have broken keys.

01:30:34 ◼   ► - All right, if you take them into an Apple store now,

01:30:36 ◼   ► they will fix them.

01:30:37 ◼   ► - So the new MacBook Pro is only rumored

01:30:40 ◼   ► at the new 16 size?

01:30:42 ◼   ► - That's the only rumor that has come out.

01:30:44 ◼   ► It's a 16 inch device.

01:30:46 ◼   ► - If that happens, I'll be interested to see it

01:30:48 ◼   ► because again, a while back, listeners know

01:30:51 ◼   ► that I switched to having a big, the 15 inch MacBook,

01:30:56 ◼   ► again, because I'm working on a bunch of video stuff

01:30:58 ◼   ► right over the past year.

01:30:59 ◼   ► And so I wanted the bigger screen

01:31:00 ◼   ► and I needed the more powerful computer

01:31:02 ◼   ► to handle over a terabyte of footage

01:31:04 ◼   ► that needed to be processed.

01:31:06 ◼   ► And I've had very mixed feelings about the bigger computer.

01:31:11 ◼   ► I don't love the design ergonomically.

01:31:16 ◼   ► Like it's fine, but I would be,

01:31:19 ◼   ► partly because of a little bit of mixed feelings

01:31:21 ◼   ► about the bigger MacBook,

01:31:23 ◼   ► I'd be curious to see what a new design would be.

01:31:27 ◼   ► But I think my tendency would be like,

01:31:29 ◼   ► I'd love to see a redesign of the smaller one

01:31:32 ◼   ► and to see what that would look like.

01:31:34 ◼   ► But I'm glad to know that the dreams of,

01:31:37 ◼   ► oh, they're gonna update a new design for the Mac

01:31:39 ◼   ► aren't dead because of the speed bump.

01:31:41 ◼   ► So I'm glad to hear that at least there's the potential

01:31:45 ◼   ► of we're starting down the road

01:31:47 ◼   ► of a new generation of MacBooks.

01:31:50 ◼   ► - But the real one that they would be,

01:31:52 ◼   ► I think, quite foolish to not mention is the Mac Pro.

01:31:55 ◼   ► Oh, we can say right now that if Apple doesn't mention the Mac Pro, the developers at WWDC

01:32:03 ◼   ► are going to cause a riot in San Jose and the whole city will be burned to the ground.

01:32:06 ◼   ► People will be – you know, without a doubt we can say that that will happen. People will

01:32:10 ◼   ► be super mad.

01:32:11 ◼   ► Yeah, like, San Jose, you better have extra police on hand if Apple's not mentioning

01:32:15 ◼   ► the Mac Pro. Like, get the fire department ready.

01:32:18 ◼   ► So in case you need a bit of background on this, a couple of years ago, Apple, they said

01:32:23 ◼   ► that the current version of the Mac Pro they knew wasn't good enough and they were going

01:32:27 ◼   ► to start again and they were going to make a new one. They didn't really give a time

01:32:31 ◼   ► frame on it but they said we're going to start working on it and then I believe sometime

01:32:36 ◼   ► last year they said like it is a 2019 product when when kind of pressed on it again.

01:32:42 ◼   ► They did say it was a 2019 product.

01:32:44 ◼   ► Yes they do what that means though who knows does it mean that they show it in 2019? Does

01:32:49 ◼   ► doesn't mean it's released in 2019.

01:32:51 ◼   ► Like nobody really knows what that actually means.

01:32:53 ◼   ► - The serial number is 2019.

01:32:55 ◼   ► It has nothing to do with the year.

01:32:55 ◼   ► - We will call it the 2019 Mac Pro,

01:32:57 ◼   ► but it comes out in 2022.

01:32:59 ◼   ► Like, so it is a 2019 product.

01:33:02 ◼   ► So if this thing is going to be shipping in 2019,

01:33:05 ◼   ► they would be fools to not show it at WWDC.

01:33:08 ◼   ► Like when they showed off the iMac Pro,

01:33:10 ◼   ► which was, they also announced at that time,

01:33:12 ◼   ► but they said there was a product

01:33:14 ◼   ► called the iMac Pro coming out.

01:33:16 ◼   ► At WWDC, they showed off a video

01:33:18 ◼   ► where they then they spoke about it at length and it shipped in December.

01:33:22 ◼   ► So it is very likely that that is what they will be doing at WWDC because they

01:33:27 ◼   ► have just had a hardware announcement, right? A small one,

01:33:31 ◼   ► but they've had one. They could have said,

01:33:33 ◼   ► we wanted to do this because WWDC this year is all about software,

01:33:37 ◼   ► but it didn't say that. And if it, if they have no hardware,

01:33:41 ◼   ► they should have said that because they've done stuff like that in the past

01:33:43 ◼   ► where they're like,

01:33:44 ◼   ► there's hardware rumors and they don't want that to be the story.

01:33:47 ◼   ► So they say like, it's just software and they say it beforehand.

01:33:50 ◼   ► And they haven't said anything like that yet at the time of recording.

01:33:53 ◼   ► Apple, Apple looks you right in the eyes, says it's all about software as,

01:33:58 ◼   ► as they drape that cold blanket over your shoulders. That's what they're doing.

01:34:01 ◼   ► So, you know, the, uh, the Mac Pro, whatever it could be, all we know,

01:34:07 ◼   ► the only phrase that we've been given is modular. And again,

01:34:10 ◼   ► we don't know what that means even really. Like what does modular mean?

01:34:14 ◼   ► I know what, I know what I think modular means,

01:34:16 ◼   ► but I don't know what Apple is saying modular is when looking at a Mac Pro.

01:34:20 ◼   ► I am personally excited about that. Um, I am very happy with my iMac.

01:34:25 ◼   ► My, I have a 2015 iMac. Um, at the moment,

01:34:28 ◼   ► I think it's the longest I've ever owned a, an Apple computer without replacing

01:34:31 ◼   ► it. Uh,

01:34:32 ◼   ► it's coming up on its fourth year in service this year and I have no concern

01:34:37 ◼   ► with this Mac. It still runs,

01:34:39 ◼   ► it feels to me like it still runs as fast as the day I got it and that's more

01:34:42 ◼   ► than fast enough for me.

01:34:43 ◼   ► But the Mac Pro, considering what it looks like and how modular it is,

01:34:48 ◼   ► I am intrigued about that as a computer that I then own for 10 years.

01:34:52 ◼   ► My needs or my desires for the latest Mac hardware isn't the same anymore.

01:34:59 ◼   ► And since I bought my PC, I am more intrigued about the idea

01:35:04 ◼   ► of buying something and then just replacing stuff

01:35:07 ◼   ► as you need to over a longer period of time.

01:35:09 ◼   ► So I'm intrigued about buying a decent Mac Pro with the idea of "I will keep it for a very long time and upgrade the parts in it."

01:35:16 ◼   ► But this is all very dependent on what the new Mac Pro actually looks like and how modular is it.

01:35:22 ◼   ► Does it just work with modules that Apple makes?

01:35:25 ◼   ► Because if it does, I don't know if I'm going to be that keen on it.

01:35:27 ◼   ► Like I would like to know that there are like certain vendors who can make stuff for it, you know?

01:35:31 ◼   ► Right.

01:35:32 ◼   ► That you have a safety hatch for if Apple doesn't feel like updating something that someone else can.

01:35:37 ◼   ► like I want options in it, right?

01:35:39 ◼   ► Like I want to know, you know, I want to be able to choose the RAM that I want

01:35:43 ◼   ► and I want to be able to choose the video cards. Right.

01:35:45 ◼   ► And like, what does that look like?

01:35:47 ◼   ► And I'm intrigued to see that.

01:35:49 ◼   ► But obviously, a Mac Pro needs a monitor.

01:35:51 ◼   ► And the rumors suggest that Apple is indeed making another monitor.

01:35:56 ◼   ► They're going back into the monitor business.

01:35:58 ◼   ► Oh, thank God, because I've been

01:36:01 ◼   ► I've been using those LG monitors. Garbage.

01:36:07 ◼   ► Garbage.

01:36:08 ◼   ► They're absolutely terrible.

01:36:10 ◼   ► Like I have the 5K one and the 4K one and I loathe both of them.

01:36:15 ◼   ► Like I've used them because it's the only one that's kind of worked in my setup

01:36:19 ◼   ► that also has like high enough resolution and color, but it's like they just like

01:36:24 ◼   ► they feel gross to touch.

01:36:26 ◼   ► I've had fun USB-C issues with those things.

01:36:31 ◼   ► One of the features in the Tesla vlog where you can see me using it.

01:36:35 ◼   ► But I have never looked at those things and thought, wow, I feel great about this purchase.

01:36:39 ◼   ► It's like, oh, God, this was a lot of money for me being not really happy with this product.

01:36:44 ◼   ► And I've been hoping and dreaming that Apple would get back into the monitor business.

01:36:48 ◼   ► And so that would make me very happy if they are.

01:36:51 ◼   ► The rumor is a 31.6 inch 6K resolution mini LED monitor.

01:36:57 ◼   ► Wait, whoa, wait, what?

01:36:59 ◼   ► Yes. 6K?

01:37:00 ◼   ► 6K, yes.

01:37:01 ◼   ► What the heck is...

01:37:03 ◼   ► I've got to bump up my video production now from 5K to 6K.

01:37:06 ◼   ► I didn't even know 6K was like a, is it like an industry standard or is that just

01:37:12 ◼   ► Apple deciding that's what they're going to do?

01:37:14 ◼   ► What? I don't know man, I can't answer the question.

01:37:18 ◼   ► I have no idea. Myke, why don't you know more about industry standards for

01:37:21 ◼   ► resolution? That's ridiculous.

01:37:25 ◼   ► Did you say 31? 31.6 inches which is massive.

01:37:29 ◼   ► Like, what's the size of the iMac screens now?

01:37:32 ◼   ► 27.

01:37:33 ◼   ► - 27, Jesus Christ!

01:37:35 ◼   ► - It's huge, it's huge.

01:37:37 ◼   ► But do you remember the cinema display?

01:37:39 ◼   ► That used to be a 30 inch display.

01:37:41 ◼   ► Apple used to sell, remember those outlets,

01:37:43 ◼   ► the silver aluminum ones?

01:37:45 ◼   ► - I don't think I ever had or saw

01:37:46 ◼   ► one of the giant cinema displays.

01:37:48 ◼   ► I don't really remember this.

01:37:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, they used to make those.

01:37:51 ◼   ► But this is not the Thunderbolt display,

01:37:53 ◼   ► 'cause they make, I think the highest

01:37:55 ◼   ► the Thunderbolt display went was 27 inches.

01:37:58 ◼   ► But the 30 inch Apple monitor was like,

01:38:00 ◼   ► that was around in the early 2000s and before then.

01:38:04 ◼   ► - Man, 31 and a half inches.

01:38:07 ◼   ► I bought the iMac Pro and I really love that machine.

01:38:12 ◼   ► So I don't really have on my horizon

01:38:16 ◼   ► like a real desire to get the Mac Pro.

01:38:18 ◼   ► Contingent upon it being amazing.

01:38:20 ◼   ► - I was gonna say, man, if anyone I know

01:38:22 ◼   ► that might get use out of one of those things,

01:38:25 ◼   ► it'd probably be you.

01:38:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, but the thing is, I really specked out the iMac Pro

01:38:29 ◼   ► and it was pretty great.

01:38:30 ◼   ► you could finally get a competent Mac gaming machine?

01:38:32 ◼   ► - I have a perfectly competent Mac gaming machine, Myke.

01:38:37 ◼   ► Upwards of 12 frames a second,

01:38:40 ◼   ► which I believe is faster than the human eye can perceive.

01:38:43 ◼   ► But the one thing, I've had this weird thought sometimes

01:38:47 ◼   ► about the iMac Pro is like,

01:38:50 ◼   ► I always have this feeling like the screen's

01:38:52 ◼   ► a little too big, right?

01:38:55 ◼   ► I don't know, I find myself sometimes not being quite sure

01:38:59 ◼   ► like the distance that I want to sit in front of it because it already feels like such a big screen

01:39:05 ◼   ► with, and I will say it's like when I get a 5k render of a video, you know, like pre-YouTube

01:39:14 ◼   ► compression and watch it on that screen, like it's glorious. I was like look at all these pixels,

01:39:19 ◼   ► look how sharp these lines are and it just it looks great but I've have thought like this

01:39:25 ◼   ► screen is already really pushing it in terms of size so something 31 and a half inches

01:39:29 ◼   ► feels like it would blow my mind like I'm in 2001 A Space Odyssey.

01:39:33 ◼   ► It would be huge. I think it might be, I mean 27 inches is really big and I don't know

01:39:40 ◼   ► if I would want the screen to be bigger than that but I think it does sound like it would

01:39:44 ◼   ► be a very nice display. It feels like it's kind of, you could turn it up to max brightness

01:39:49 ◼   ► and literally burn your retina out. It would just take you down.

01:39:55 ◼   ► On all of my devices, I've always had the screen max brightness.

01:39:59 ◼   ► I turn off their auto-dimming thing.

01:40:00 ◼   ► I'm like, "No, you don't tell me how bright this is.

01:40:03 ◼   ► I want the screen bright."

01:40:05 ◼   ► But my iMac Pro is the only device where I'm like, "Okay, wait, we can pull this back a

01:40:10 ◼   ► little bit.

01:40:11 ◼   ► We don't need maximum brightness here."

01:40:12 ◼   ► Because that's already quite bright.

01:40:13 ◼   ► I don't know if I've ever made my iMac max brightness.

01:40:16 ◼   ► I know what I'm about to do.

01:40:18 ◼   ► Okay, might well.

01:40:19 ◼   ► Holy moly!

01:40:20 ◼   ► I can't even look at that.

01:40:23 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:40:25 ◼   ► - Wow, that's, I have it like halfway.

01:40:28 ◼   ► That is, wow, that is significant.

01:40:30 ◼   ► - What was the thing about the LCD something in the monitor?

01:40:33 ◼   ► I didn't catch that.

01:40:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, I know, right?

01:40:35 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:40:36 ◼   ► I don't know what it means.

01:40:37 ◼   ► - The thing that I'm not hearing though,

01:40:39 ◼   ► which I would like to hear, is face ID.

01:40:42 ◼   ► That's something I'd like in a monitor, face ID.

01:40:45 ◼   ► - I don't think that's happening.

01:40:46 ◼   ► - Ah, how do you know that's not happening, Myke?

01:40:48 ◼   ► - I just don't see it yet.

01:40:50 ◼   ► I would love it if they did it, but I don't see it happening yet.

01:40:54 ◼   ► Because it is the thing, like, when I open up my laptop and it asks me to put my finger on the little square,

01:40:58 ◼   ► it's like, "What is this? 1865? I can't believe I have to do this. It's so frustrating."

01:41:04 ◼   ► One of the random rumors for the Apple Watch is that they're going to improve the biometric—

01:41:10 ◼   ► or the authentication for the Mac on the Apple Watch in some way, so that might make that better for you if you use that.

01:41:16 ◼   ► Yeah, I do use that and I would say it works like 50% of the time.

01:41:23 ◼   ► It's not crazy reliable.

01:41:25 ◼   ► When it works it's great but it's not reliable enough that I can feel confident every time

01:41:29 ◼   ► I open up the machine that it's going to do whatever magic it's doing.

01:41:32 ◼   ► MacRumors tells me that mini-LED like backlighting design would offer outstanding picture quality

01:41:39 ◼   ► and many LED displays can offer seamless mosaicing, higher brightness and lower reflectivity than

01:41:45 ◼   ► traditional LCD displays. I mean, I have often thought that the mosaics on my display are

01:41:50 ◼   ► just not good enough, so I would be very happy to get better mosaicing on my devices, wouldn't

01:41:57 ◼   ► you?

01:41:58 ◼   ► Yes. Mosaicing has been my number one complaint by far.

01:42:01 ◼   ► I can't believe you didn't mention that at the beginning.

01:42:03 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm sorry. I should have mentioned that, that my biggest hope was more mosaicing

01:42:10 ◼   ► or less mosaicing?

01:42:11 ◼   ► I'm not sure what better is. Are you supposed to see the mosaic or not supposed to see it?

01:42:18 ◼   ► Look, as long as the mosaicking is improved, I'm going to be happy.

01:42:25 ◼   ► (laughing)