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00:00:00   Myke... Myke... I'm sorry. I feel... I feel like I'm always... I don't mean to. I don't mean to.

00:00:11   But I feel like I'm always causing you anxiety for episode recordings. And this time is another one of those times.

00:00:23   I'm sorry, Myke.

00:00:24   At this point, I feel like I just...

00:00:29   I wished everybody could see the types of messages you send me.

00:00:32   So we had three separate days in which we were supposed to be recording this episode.

00:00:42   It was a Thursday, a Saturday or a Sunday. One of those three was when we were going to record this episode.

00:00:48   It's a timely episode, we have to get it up on a certain date.

00:00:52   We both knew that Grey was going to be traveling at this point, so we're like, "Okay, we're

00:00:56   going to set this time window."

00:00:58   On Tuesday, so two days before the first recording time, I get a message that says, "I do not

00:01:05   wish to alarm you, but I may have driven into the desert without any audio equipment."

00:01:09   This is the life that I am subjected to.

00:01:13   Like, look, I mean, before, before you go any further, I just, to defend myself a little bit,

00:01:17   I didn't, you know, that wasn't the plan, but sometimes things come up, opportunities present

00:01:24   themselves and you have to take advantage of them. All of that's fine, right? But you can't be

00:01:29   defended in the fact that you then follow it up after I reply saying you have alarmed me with,

00:01:34   "I have, however, been able to arrange for delivery of equipment on the first day of our

00:01:38   our record because you could have started with that right you chose to start with i'm in the desert

00:01:44   again and i have no audio gear again like remember like two years ago and maybe last year and the year

00:01:50   before that where there's just like something happens during the summer where you are somewhere

00:01:56   and there's some kind of issue i don't know i felt i felt i needed to set expectations that well yes

00:02:03   I know that you have this absolute hard deadline for the day this show has to be published

00:02:08   and it can't be moved. This was me trying to warm up to like, "Oh hey, we have some

00:02:13   problems, but just so you know, I think it's covered and it should be fine."

00:02:17   But where are you? Why are you? What's going on now?

00:02:23   I mean, look, I can't go into the details.

00:02:26   Of course you can't.

00:02:28   Well, I mean, look, look, listeners, I know this is sometimes annoying, but now finally that I've put up that Tesla vlog,

00:02:40   I think perhaps the listeners can understand that sometimes I work on projects that have very long timeframes.

00:02:47   And so, like, I'm doing stuff and I can't always talk about what I'm doing when I'm doing it.

00:02:54   So like, apologies for me being vague, but I am, I am in an undisclosed location

00:03:00   somewhere in the American West and there's been a sort of trifecta of like work

00:03:06   stuff is the reason that I'm out here.

00:03:08   In particular, the reason I sent you that message is like an opportunity made

00:03:12   itself available that I decided I needed to take advantage of and I drove off into

00:03:17   the much further deserts and I had left before I was able to procure audio

00:03:23   equipment and kind of didn't realize until I was like way out in the journey already.

00:03:28   So yeah, I'm here doing some work stuff in a minute locations that don't have great

00:03:33   internets which then was making me think about poor Myke and I was like, oh no, I'm doing

00:03:37   it to him again. I don't mean to, you know, especially like I feel the horrible asymmetry

00:03:43   of this situation is in the summers I feel so much more relaxed like, oh, I traveled

00:03:49   to America for a long period of time and I'm kind of like, "Ooh, there's reasons that I'm here,

00:03:54   I'm doing stuff, but I'm also looking for interesting stuff to do." And I feel like

00:03:57   the summers are kind of like a flexible, "Hey, whatever happens" kind of time. But for you,

00:04:02   it's the exact opposite, right? Like for you, summer is when schedules are the most important

00:04:07   they could possibly be. And also, we are currently beginning the busiest two weeks of my entire year.

00:04:13   Right, yes, no, that's uh...

00:04:15   So, so it's just like...

00:04:19   I'm, I'm aware of what I do to you. I'm very sorry.

00:04:23   But like, I really, I really appreciate what you have to put up with.

00:04:28   "I'm aware of what I do to you" is maybe the sweetest thing you've ever said to me.

00:04:33   Yeah, like, I mean, let's like, I'm not going to change. We all know that, right?

00:04:39   No one wants you to change.

00:04:41   But so I just, you know, I appreciate the sometimes extra work that gets put in.

00:04:48   We're now recording, you know, many time zones apart.

00:04:50   Circumstances that were additionally beyond my control is you had messaged me yesterday saying,

00:04:59   "Hey, what time can we record tomorrow?"

00:05:02   And I never got back to Myke because I'm staying at a place that has decided that they are

00:05:11   off the main electrical grid and there was some unexpected weather that shorted out their

00:05:18   power.

00:05:19   I don't think I want to know this.

00:05:21   Which means, of course, the internet went down and so I was not able to reply and it's

00:05:30   like to get something from town is an hour's journey and so I was like, "Well, I'll

00:05:37   just wait until the power comes back up."

00:05:39   And...

00:05:40   For Texans, if you're listening to this episode and the published date is Tuesday the 28th

00:05:45   of May, Myke may have well gone rogue at that point and just done it.

00:05:51   Because it has to be done.

00:05:54   So it was fixed, but the local power supply here has been a little, shall I describe it

00:06:00   as flickery?

00:06:02   So we'll see if we make it through the entire show.

00:06:07   That was a case where it's like, he doesn't really need to know this ahead of time.

00:06:12   The time that I need to know it is when we're recording. That's definitely the time that I need to know.

00:06:19   Because that's when you have the most agency, right? That's when you have the most ability to do something about this.

00:06:25   So anyway, that's why I didn't get back to you last night and I felt really bad about not even being able to schedule with you when we were going to record today.

00:06:33   But look, it's all fine.

00:06:35   Can I talk about this picture you sent me?

00:06:37   You can describe the picture to people.

00:06:39   You can describe the picture.

00:06:40   I was sent a picture.

00:06:42   The caption of this picture was "I was able to rustle up some audio gear today."

00:06:49   And it is a picture.

00:06:50   The landscape is lots of mountains, like the red kind of mountains that you see in parts

00:06:55   of America.

00:06:57   Beautiful blue sky.

00:06:58   And there are two boxes.

00:06:59   One is a microphone, one is an audio interface.

00:07:02   in front of them is CGP Grey on his knee, down on one knee, wearing the wonderful Cortex

00:07:10   hoodie which is available still from cortexmerch.com.

00:07:14   It is very useful when it's very cold.

00:07:16   Cortexmerch.com, you can still get the beautiful hoodie.

00:07:18   Cortexmerch.com.

00:07:19   But what you can't currently get on cortexmerch.com is a cowboy hat, which is what you're wearing,

00:07:27   a… what are they called, neckerchiefs? Bandanas? Around your face? Which has just got the American

00:07:33   flag all over it over and over and over again, which looks like you're bought from a truck

00:07:36   stop somewhere. So, at least I had that. And as I called it at the time, and still maintained.

00:07:45   And I think even without seeing this picture, I think everybody can agree that this is the

00:07:48   greatest photo of Grey that has ever existed.

00:07:52   I'm glad you think so.

00:07:53   It was my consolation prize for the anxiety.

00:07:56   That was when I finally had acquired, well, I was going to say all of the necessary pieces

00:08:02   to have a regular podcast set up.

00:08:05   Turns out I was missing one of them, but it's not vital.

00:08:07   So enough for the minimum viable podcast recording setup.

00:08:11   I had gotten it all in place and yes, I thought, "Oh, what's a fun way that I can let Myke

00:08:17   know that everything's going to be fine?"

00:08:19   Because see, I want to allay your fears.

00:08:22   And so I'm glad you enjoyed the photo that I took.

00:08:26   But I was definitely thinking like, man, we got a partner

00:08:30   with Stetson for like the Cortex-in cowboy hat, for sure.

00:08:34   - Yeah. - 'Cause cowboy hats

00:08:35   are awesome, and a cowboy hat with the Cortex logo,

00:08:38   how could it possibly be more awesome?

00:08:40   I don't know.

00:08:41   - So I guess at this point, I will say,

00:08:44   if any listener out there has some kind of ability

00:08:48   to help us make a cowboy hat,

00:08:51   Just email business@cortexbrand.com.

00:08:56   Just send an email.

00:08:58   I guess that's what we're doing now.

00:09:00   We're making cowboy hats.

00:09:03   - Anyway, it's all set.

00:09:05   We can do a podcast.

00:09:06   - I have the most important piece of follow-up

00:09:09   in Cortex history.

00:09:10   The reason this is so important.

00:09:12   - Big selling there.

00:09:13   - It's because it will finally stop the question

00:09:16   of when is that third-party toggle app

00:09:18   that you talk about coming in?

00:09:20   - Oh yeah.

00:09:20   When is that third party toggle app coming out, Myke?

00:09:23   - Now!

00:09:24   It has been out.

00:09:24   - Oh! - It has been out for a week.

00:09:26   The app is called Timery,

00:09:27   and you can get it at TimeryApp.com.

00:09:29   I'll put that in the show notes.

00:09:32   So I'm pleased that I can talk about it now

00:09:34   because I've been using this app,

00:09:35   I think for nearly a year.

00:09:37   I think the beta has been around for nearly a year.

00:09:40   When I realized that,

00:09:41   I do realize why people ask me so frequently,

00:09:43   because I mention it all the time, but it's not available.

00:09:46   I use this app a lot.

00:09:47   I'm gonna include a link in the show notes

00:09:49   to Jon Voorhees review of the application at MacStories

00:09:52   'cause Jon is gonna do a better job than I will.

00:09:54   But basically, if you use toggle for time tracking,

00:09:58   which you should because all core Texans

00:10:01   are sane, sensible people,

00:10:02   so they should all be tracking their time.

00:10:04   If you use toggle, which is I think the best service,

00:10:08   but it's a service of a bad app,

00:10:10   the apps are not very good. - Yes, yes.

00:10:12   - But Timery is the app that I've been looking for.

00:10:15   It's clean, it is simple, it is focused,

00:10:18   it has a wonderful widget which is you can set up a bunch of saved timers and you can

00:10:22   have them in the widget on the iPhone or on the iPad so you can just swipe over to the

00:10:26   side and hit one of your favorite timers.

00:10:29   But there's just like, just everything about it is so streamlined that it makes it so easy

00:10:35   to input everything.

00:10:37   Like one of my favorite things, Gray, which is such a small thing, is as soon as you press

00:10:41   the button to start a timer, the timer is running, the timer doesn't start afterwards

00:10:46   or anything like that.

00:10:47   little things like that. I like that it supports tags really well and projects,

00:10:51   which is stuff that I use. It has great shortcuts support.

00:10:55   If you use a Siri shortcuts, I really think that if you are using toggle,

00:11:00   you should 100% try the app out. It is a subscription based app. So you pay for,

00:11:04   I don't remember the exact amount of top of my head,

00:11:06   but it has like a free trial type thing. And like you can,

00:11:09   you can use some functionality of the application,

00:11:12   but then you have to sign up to get more.

00:11:14   But like this is like a no brainer one for me.

00:11:16   Like if you're paying for toggle already,

00:11:18   you should pay for this app as well.

00:11:19   Like because it's not a lot of money and it's well worth it

00:11:22   because it's gonna get you the experience

00:11:23   on iOS that you want.

00:11:25   And we'll talk about this later on,

00:11:27   but I hope that like later this year,

00:11:28   maybe it could come to the Mac as well.

00:11:30   And then I'll be completely happy.

00:11:32   - Yeah, this looks really great.

00:11:33   I can see why you've been excited

00:11:34   about being on the beta of this.

00:11:36   This looks like what the toggle app should be.

00:11:40   - It 100% is.

00:11:41   - Never, never will be.

00:11:42   - Like the only thing that it is missing

00:11:44   that the toggle app has is reports.

00:11:46   But reports in the iOS app suck anyway.

00:11:48   So--

00:11:49   Yeah.

00:11:50   Usually, you know.

00:11:51   And I'm sure that the developer Joe,

00:11:54   if it's possible for them to build

00:11:57   some kind of reporting function, they'll do it, right?

00:11:59   Like if the app is a success.

00:12:00   Because they've been great so far.

00:12:02   Like I have a lot of feedback throughout the process,

00:12:04   and they've really made it just a wonderful application to use.

00:12:08   And I love it.

00:12:09   So if you use toggle, you should check out Timery.

00:12:12   It is now available.

00:12:14   The one thing that's happened though, Gray, that I've noticed in the past few days,

00:12:17   the conversation has changed. So people would ask me like,

00:12:21   is this app ever coming out? Where's this app?

00:12:22   They'll ask me in the cortex subreddit, I get it on Twitter.

00:12:24   Now people are asking me if there's an Android alternative,

00:12:28   and I was straight up, I have no idea, right? Like if you listen to this show,

00:12:32   you must know, I don't know the answer that I questioned by now. I do not know.

00:12:36   I do not know.

00:12:37   It's sad. Like my version of that is people I know, they'll say,

00:12:42   Is there an Android equivalent to OmniFocus?

00:12:44   And I always feel like, "I don't know, man, how would I have any idea?"

00:12:48   I'd be like, "I can't help you, Android!"

00:12:51   It's a whole other—it's like asking me for a great book recommendation in Chinese.

00:12:55   Like, I don't know, I'm sure there's great books out there, but I don't know, I can't really help you.

00:13:00   [laughs]

00:13:01   I think to-do-ist is typically—that's typically what I say to people.

00:13:05   Like, people are asking after our last episode, like,

00:13:08   you know, I'm on Android, I can't use things, like what would you recommend?

00:13:12   At that point I'd recommend Todoist. I recommend Todoist anyway. I use Todoist.

00:13:16   I've used Todoist on Android as well, and Todoist on Android is great.

00:13:19   So that is what I really recommend. And I think as well for a lot of people,

00:13:22   like OmniFocus is amazing, but really though, most people,

00:13:27   like they hear you talk about it and they're like, oh, Gray loves it, like I love it.

00:13:31   And they would, but most people are not going to use it to the extent that you are.

00:13:35   Oh yeah, yeah. But this is why, like, yeah, the people who are asking me are usually asking me in person, and they're uber nerds.

00:13:40   And so, like, they're past Todoist.

00:13:42   Again, like, Todoist, I know nothing about Android, but if you're going to use Android, like, I know Todoist, and it's fine.

00:13:48   It's not for me, but I think it's totally fine.

00:13:50   But it's no omni-focus. And that's what I have some super nerds looking for.

00:13:55   And it's like, I can't help you. I'm sure it exists, but I have no idea what it is.

00:13:59   But I think that for like 95% of people, Todoist is going to get you there.

00:14:06   Yeah, probably.

00:14:07   Yeah, probably.

00:14:08   For sure.

00:14:09   But no, this looks awesome.

00:14:10   I love this black mode too.

00:14:11   Oh, the dark mode is so good.

00:14:13   And there's icons, you can choose different icon colors, which I always appreciate, you

00:14:16   know.

00:14:17   So yeah, it's really great.

00:14:20   It's definitely worth checking out if you use toggle.

00:14:22   I really, really, really recommend it.

00:14:23   I'll put some links in the show notes so you can grab it.

00:14:25   This looks like if you're a listener and you haven't started time tracking yet, maybe this is a good time to give it a try.

00:14:35   Nice, shiny new app, Myke recommended.

00:14:39   If you're out there thinking, "I should give it a shot," now you should do it.

00:14:41   It works with the free toggle plan too.

00:14:44   Oh, interesting.

00:14:46   You can sign up for toggle before you... It works with the free plan.

00:14:49   Right, now you have no excuse. You have no excuse, people.

00:14:51   No excuse. None.

00:14:53   Start time tracking.

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00:16:33   Cortex has a YouTube channel and, as always, had a YouTube channel.

00:16:38   Maybe a lot of people were hearing this whilst they had the YouTube window open,

00:16:43   which is always a thing that has always been very intriguing to me, the idea of listening

00:16:47   to a podcast on YouTube, but people do it, which is why we have the YouTube channel.

00:16:52   Why is that intriguing to you, Myke?

00:16:56   It's not what YouTube's for, and podcast apps are really good, but I understand there

00:17:03   aren't necessarily a lot of desktop apps and sometimes people can get around firewalls

00:17:07   and all that kind of stuff, but it's still just very intriguing to me. But if you've

00:17:10   never subscribed to the channel because you listen to the show and many different podcast

00:17:16   clients, many wonderful podcast clients that exist, we have a new reason for you to subscribe

00:17:20   to the Cortex YouTube channel and that is that Cortex Animated, which is a series which

00:17:24   has been called, it was called unofficial Cortex Animated for a long time, even though

00:17:29   I never would refer to it as unofficial because in my heart it was very official, which has

00:17:33   been animated and produced by the very very very very talented H.M. Boutte. We have been

00:17:41   able to work with them and now they're going to be producing the videos for the Cortex

00:17:46   YouTube channel instead. So it has a new home. It is now finally called Cortex Animated officially.

00:17:52   We have removed the unofficial. All you have to do is just search for the Cortex Podcast

00:17:56   on YouTube and you will find it and you can subscribe there. So the episodes will go there

00:18:00   But now also all of the very wonderful cortex animated YouTube videos will be there too

00:18:04   And I really recommend watching these as they come out

00:18:07   I will also put in

00:18:09   HMP te's YouTube channel into the show notes as well because that's where like a big backlog of them are in case you've never seen

00:18:14   Them before so you can go and watch those but there will now be publishing on our YouTube channel

00:18:19   which I'm really excited about because I absolutely adore these videos because they have the just a

00:18:24   Perfect way of picking out the parts that I love the most from our episodes without me needing to ever ask

00:18:30   so like the video that just went up about the last one just picked out the perfect parts of the

00:18:35   Of the episode to animate and I'm very I love how it came out

00:18:39   Yeah, they're always really fun to watch and I'm glad we were able to make them official on the cortex YouTube channel now

00:18:47   And they're they're super charming and it's it's great. I had a

00:18:52   Obviously, obviously, obviously I knew this was in the works, but I had a totally bizarre moment while I was out here in the desert.

00:19:02   Some internet connection blipped on for a moment and I have an "if this then that" alert set up for things getting uploaded to any of the YouTube channels.

00:19:13   And I saw this alert come through about like the Cortex podcast has published a video.

00:19:24   And for a second there, I honestly thought I was having a stroke or something.

00:19:29   I was like, "Wait a minute."

00:19:30   Oh no, what's he done?

00:19:31   No, my actual thought, which is sort of like charmingly optimistic and misguided was, "Did

00:19:37   I already record that podcast?"

00:19:39   And I just forgot.

00:19:42   Like first I was like, am I having some kind of brain aphasia in this moment?

00:19:47   I was really confused and the extra problem was I passed through whatever tiny island

00:19:53   of internet connectivity it was.

00:19:56   And the way that I had the alerts formatted, because it never mattered before, was for

00:20:02   if this then that simply to say like a video has been published, right?

00:20:06   It never mattered what it was.

00:20:08   Yeah, no, nothing.

00:20:09   So it was just like a video has been published.

00:20:11   And so I was like driving through some nothingness and like, "Well, I guess I'll find out

00:20:17   what happened later."

00:20:19   So in retrospect, I should have realized what it was, but when I finally got to another

00:20:24   oasis of internet, I was like, "Oh, this is fantastic!"

00:20:27   I was so happy to see it had become real on the YouTube channel in my absence.

00:20:32   And also, you hadn't lost part of your brain along the way.

00:20:36   Yeah, exactly.

00:20:37   I was pretty sure we hadn't recorded the show 20 minutes down the road.

00:20:41   it's like, I would have remembered. Why do I have equipment that hopefully will be delivered

00:20:45   to where I'm going? Fingers crossed. But yeah, so that was my very surreal experience with

00:20:52   the animated series becoming official was through an if-this-then-that alert that had

00:20:57   me wondering for quite a while what was going on in Internet land to which I had no access.

00:21:02   But yeah, go check them out. They're absolutely charming. And yeah, if you haven't subscribed

00:21:09   to the Cortex YouTube channel, I think these are an excellent reason to do so.

00:21:12   Yeah, it is a reason. Right, like, if you had no desire to also watch the videos of

00:21:20   this podcast on our YouTube channel before, there was no point in you subscribing. But

00:21:24   now we have a reason, because there's going to be additional content there, that it would

00:21:27   be a shame for you to miss out on, I think.

00:21:30   It would be. It would be. But no, I think people should subscribe to Cortex everywhere

00:21:33   that Cortex can be subscribed to, Myke.

00:21:35   That's, well, I mean-

00:21:36   There's multiple reasons.

00:21:38   So our next episode is going to be that wonderful and rare event where me and you sit around

00:21:43   a table and look awkwardly around each other's eyes.

00:21:49   Not directly into them.

00:21:50   Oh, I forgot about that again.

00:21:52   Because we're going to be in San Jose together for WWDC which is Apple's developer conference.

00:22:01   So considering we are about a week away, I think it's time to check in.

00:22:05   Oh god, is it a week away?

00:22:06   Yeah, it's a week away.

00:22:08   Holy!

00:22:09   You gotta get moving out of that desert, my friend.

00:22:11   You got a plane to catch.

00:22:14   I do.

00:22:15   I legitimately do have a logistics problem that I just realized I need to figure out

00:22:20   how to solve as soon as this podcast is over.

00:22:22   Yeah, because it would just be a real shame if you missed the first day, right?

00:22:27   Because that's when literally everything happens.

00:22:30   So you know.

00:22:31   And as usual, I'm acting as official tour guide for you on this trip and I've booked

00:22:36   you into all the things you need to go to.

00:22:38   Again, Myke, I appreciate all that you do for me so much.

00:22:43   And this is for sure one of these things of like, if I had to figure out what events I

00:22:48   was going to and what tickets I had to book, I would just go to nothing and stay in my

00:22:53   hotel room the whole time.

00:22:54   So thank you.

00:22:55   Thank you for doing all of that.

00:22:56   It's kind of funny at this point.

00:22:57   I don't even really think about it.

00:22:58   I really appreciate it.

00:23:00   It's very nice to see these things roll through on my calendar and be like, "Oh, Myke's

00:23:04   taking care of me for Apple week.

00:23:06   I don't know what I'm doing here.

00:23:07   I'm like a weird YouTube outsider descending upon the city and it's like,

00:23:11   where am I supposed to go?

00:23:12   I don't know.

00:23:12   It's great.

00:23:13   It's very nice.

00:23:14   Oh, so that I will mention if you are a Cortex and you're going to be in San Jose,

00:23:19   I want to see all that Cortex brand merchandise walking around.

00:23:22   I want to see many subtleties.

00:23:24   I know Myke wants to see it, but I have to say last WWDC, it was actually

00:23:29   weird how many Cortex merch stuff I saw around.

00:23:33   I say weird.

00:23:34   I say very good.

00:23:35   And it wasn't, Cortex merch as an idea

00:23:37   didn't even exist then.

00:23:39   - Yes, that's true, that's true.

00:23:40   Cortexmerch.com wasn't a thing there.

00:23:43   But yes, but I think by far the biggest density

00:23:48   of merch stuff that I ever see is WWDC.

00:23:55   Of like, look at all these Cortex listeners.

00:23:59   This is amazing, but it's also a little weird sometimes

00:24:03   like, "Oh, all these people are wearing the hoodie and things."

00:24:05   It does happen where, like, we spoke about this before,

00:24:08   it's just really funny where me and you have been together crossing a street

00:24:12   and somebody's walking towards us with a cortex brain t-shirt on

00:24:16   and they don't notice us.

00:24:19   - Yeah, yeah. - I always enjoy that.

00:24:21   It's very funny to me.

00:24:23   And I don't know if you remember, but we did have one moment last year

00:24:27   that I thought was the height of funniness

00:24:29   where you and I met up somewhere and we were both wearing Cortex merch.

00:24:36   Just, you know, we hadn't coordinated our outfits.

00:24:39   So I think we both showed up in Cortex merch.

00:24:42   And then one person who listened to the show and then another person

00:24:46   who listened to the show both were chatting with us

00:24:48   and they were wearing Cortex merch too.

00:24:50   So we were like this little quartet of people all wearing the Cortex merch.

00:24:53   And I was like, oh, OK.

00:24:54   In like the kind of biggest San Francisco area, San Jose area,

00:24:58   We just look like we're some kind of startup.

00:25:00   Oh my god, you're right!

00:25:02   Right, that's what it looks like.

00:25:04   You know what, you're totally right.

00:25:06   Actually, it's way more normal there.

00:25:07   It does look like we're a startup.

00:25:09   But seriously, people buy that hoodie. It's amazing.

00:25:13   Yeah, the hoodie is amazing. The hoodie is very good.

00:25:15   You know what as well, they're not on sale now,

00:25:18   but probably will be again one day.

00:25:19   The subtle sweater came in for me today,

00:25:21   and that thing is amazing.

00:25:22   I'm very pleased with how it came out.

00:25:24   Yeah, I feel like these are our favorites.

00:25:27   Like Myke, Myke loves the subtle line and I love the hoodies and it's all, it's all fantastic.

00:25:32   Go get some, go get some cortexmerch.com.

00:25:35   I wasn't planning on today being such a Cortex merch heavy episode of the show, but like, you know, that's how it goes sometimes.

00:25:42   So I'm wondering from you, because I feel like I don't have a chicken.

00:25:48   I don't think we have spoken about stuff like this in a while.

00:25:50   What are you, what is on your kind of horizon? Like what are you hoping for?

00:25:55   What would make you happy? I know we spoke about the Apple Watch faces and I have something

00:26:00   I need to tell you about that.

00:26:01   Oh god, I feel like I don't want to know. Whatever it is, it's not going to be good.

00:26:07   You remember what you said, you're going to be really mad? I think you're going to be

00:26:11   really mad.

00:26:12   That's my expectation.

00:26:15   Aside from the Apple Watch faces, what is the type of stuff that would make you the

00:26:20   happiest from WWDC this year? What are the things that you really want to see solved

00:26:25   or added to, like what are you hoping for?

00:26:27   - Okay, I've had a little bit of a strange experience

00:26:32   with this because this morning,

00:26:35   while I was walking around a little bit,

00:26:39   thinking about the upcoming show,

00:26:42   while I had some time to prepare while the power was out,

00:26:45   it did dawn on me like, oh, of course,

00:26:48   this is our pre-WWDC episode,

00:26:53   and Myke's gonna wanna know what are the things

00:26:55   that I'm looking for, software-wise,

00:26:58   out of Apple in this upcoming year.

00:26:59   And I realize that this WWDC,

00:27:05   I'm going into almost without any expectations,

00:27:10   and in particular, almost a feeling of like,

00:27:16   obviously there are things that annoy me

00:27:18   and that I would want software-wise,

00:27:22   But I don't know, I feel much less intense about like,

00:27:26   oh, I have to have this thing this year.

00:27:29   - This is what I was hoping you were gonna say.

00:27:32   - Really, okay.

00:27:33   I was thinking I'm disappointing you for the show.

00:27:35   - No, no, because it backs up a theory

00:27:39   that I've had coming into this episode.

00:27:41   - Okay. - You have not listened

00:27:42   to any technology podcasts in the last six to eight months.

00:27:47   - Yeah. - So you're not hearing

00:27:48   the things-- - It's coming up on a year.

00:27:50   - That people are complaining about.

00:27:51   So I kind of expected that you would just be like, "Well, nothing big really."

00:27:58   Because you're not hearing what people are discussing.

00:28:03   So unless it's directly affecting you, you're probably a little bit oblivious to it.

00:28:08   The thing that did cross my mind, of course, because you're much more connected in this world than I am,

00:28:14   is that Myke is going to probably spoil my total lack of expectations for WWDC during this episode

00:28:21   and tell me what everybody's thinking is going to happen.

00:28:23   That was my plan. So I figured you would have nothing and then I'm going to tell you a bunch of things

00:28:26   and then you can tell me if you like them or not and/or then next time we can judge how they're mad you are

00:28:32   that they didn't go the exact way that you thought they would.

00:28:34   Right, right. So yeah, great. Perfect. This is just what I want, Myke.

00:28:38   Oh, I'm all nice and zen and whatever and now it'll all be ruined for the entertainment of other people.

00:28:44   Well, you know, you've got to be ready.

00:28:46   At all the cocktail hour receptions that I've got you booked out over the next week, you've got another talking point.

00:28:50   Oh, no, no, I'm not so sure about what you've signed me up for.

00:28:53   Don't worry about it. Just don't pay attention to some of the invites.

00:28:56   So let me...

00:28:58   Okay, so this is where I'm expecting... No, no, no, no.

00:29:00   Okay, listen. Before you get all into this, let me say the two things that I am thinking of a bunch about walking into this.

00:29:12   So there's two things I want to say first before you before you ruin my party.

00:29:17   The first one of these things, and this has been on my mind a lot for reasons that will

00:29:23   be obvious as soon as I say what it is.

00:29:25   I'm really curious about maps this year and about driving directions.

00:29:31   So I can't remember if it was last year or the year before when Apple announced their

00:29:36   new mapping project.

00:29:38   Was that last WWDC or was it the previous one?

00:29:40   - No, it was like a random time.

00:29:42   - Ah, okay, so that's why it's not clear in my head.

00:29:45   - Yep.

00:29:46   - But so, yeah, Apple announced this thing

00:29:50   where they're building their own mapping system

00:29:52   and they talked about how their current mapping system

00:29:56   was this horrific Frankenstein's monster

00:29:59   of different services that they had hobbled together,

00:30:03   which when they described it made me feel like,

00:30:05   holy cow, I can't believe you made that work

00:30:06   in the first place, like I can't believe that works at all.

00:30:09   and they're starting to build up their own mapping service, like from the ground up.

00:30:15   Which I think we can all see would be useful for many projects aside from just, you know, maps.

00:30:24   To have created a 3D representation of the world could be quite useful for many different things.

00:30:31   Like if it lived digitally, it's almost like some kind of like alternate reality of some kind.

00:30:37   Yes, yes, it could be like some kind of alternate reality. It could it could really help

00:30:42   real world machines navigate the 3D space around them if they had a digital thing to compare to

00:30:49   As if they had to go on their own, right?

00:30:53   Yeah, if there was some sort of like autonomous way you were going to have machines act in the real world

00:30:58   like I think

00:31:00   building for a company building their own

00:31:04   representation of the world is a

00:31:06   like it's a very powerful tool to have in your arsenal that's applicable to many things and as we're

00:31:13   Recording they they release like a trial version of their maps and it's like it's yeah

00:31:19   It's in some parts of California and it's like stretching out. The thing is this project. It's multiple multiple years away from completion

00:31:26   No, no, no. No. No, so here's the here's the thing that I was just gonna say about it

00:31:31   like and why I've been thinking about it is

00:31:33   Yeah, this kind of thing is huge, which is why I was saying, like, this is useful for many things.

00:31:39   It's much bigger in scope than I think it even seems as a, quote, "mapping project" at first.

00:31:44   And so, I'm just generally curious to see it roll out because I haven't had the ability to experience firsthand what it's like.

00:31:52   But I remember when they announced it, in the article it must have been,

00:31:58   They said an interesting thing that they were working simultaneously on this new Map the World project

00:32:04   and they were also working on a new interface for the Maps app

00:32:09   and that they didn't want to introduce both of these things at the same time

00:32:15   because they thought it would be too confusing

00:32:17   and so they wanted to stagger them

00:32:20   and so I'm just kind of curious, like "Oh, I wonder if this year we're going to get a new Maps app"

00:32:25   And I've been thinking about it because I know people always pooh-pooh Apple Maps, but

00:32:30   I actually really, really like it for driving directions.

00:32:33   I find it's very clear about when to turn, the lane guidance is great.

00:32:39   But I've been thinking about it a bunch because it sure could use some improvements, and I

00:32:42   often find myself really frustrated with it.

00:32:45   And one of the things that I find particularly frustrating, especially now, is that the app

00:32:51   totally doesn't work the instant you don't have internet.

00:32:54   And so is horrifically unuseful

00:32:58   for lots of the traveling I've been doing.

00:33:01   - That's pretty stupid.

00:33:02   - Yeah, if you don't have an internet connection,

00:33:05   you cannot search for a location

00:33:08   and get directions to that location.

00:33:10   - 'Cause like, I know that Google Maps

00:33:12   lets you download an area, right?

00:33:14   - Yeah.

00:33:15   - And Apple Maps doesn't let you do anything like that?

00:33:16   - Yeah, so Apple Maps has zero offline ability at all.

00:33:21   Woof, that's terrible. This is the kind of stuff where it's like, I know this is a thing that I

00:33:26   see a lot and it can be a bit frustrating to hear people make these complaints sometimes,

00:33:32   but I think it definitely holds up here. This is what happens when just people in very particular

00:33:40   areas are the ones that are working on these projects. If there's always internet around you,

00:33:44   you never really think about it. AC: Yeah, for sure. I think that really is

00:33:48   is what it's a side effect of.

00:33:49   And I mean this in a literal way.

00:33:51   It is totally useless.

00:33:53   You can't search for anything.

00:33:54   You can't get directions for anything.

00:33:56   It's just dead like it's a pointless app.

00:33:59   And I find that really frustrating.

00:34:00   And so since that road trip vlog that I put up

00:34:03   and in the past two years since that actually happened,

00:34:06   I've been driving around in America a bunch.

00:34:08   And I have, I mean, I must have 20 or 30 offline maps

00:34:12   saved in Google Maps precisely for this scenario.

00:34:16   Like anywhere I'm ever gonna possibly be,

00:34:18   I always tell Google, like, just download a copy.

00:34:21   And I cannot tell you how many times I've had to,

00:34:24   like, had to rely on that to be like,

00:34:27   where am I gonna go next, how do I go?

00:34:29   Like, even if you're just, you're driving somewhere

00:34:31   and you change your mind about like, you know what,

00:34:32   I'm not gonna go this far, I'm gonna stop somewhere sooner.

00:34:34   Is there a hotel anywhere, right?

00:34:37   Like, Apple Maps can't help you, but Google Maps will

00:34:39   if you've downloaded stuff offline.

00:34:40   So I really love their interface,

00:34:44   but I would be curious to see them add some more features.

00:34:49   And I was even thinking kind of like in the music app,

00:34:52   it allows you to set an offline cache.

00:34:55   You can say like, look, music app,

00:34:57   I don't care what you do, but here's 32 gigabytes of space

00:35:00   and you just deal with automatically downloading stuff

00:35:02   you think I'm going to listen to.

00:35:04   And I think like Apple maps could do something like that.

00:35:06   They're never gonna introduce a complicated feature

00:35:08   like Google has, but I could imagine them saying like,

00:35:11   oh, you can-- - I disagree with that.

00:35:11   I disagree with that.

00:35:14   this is one of those things where you really should give the user specific

00:35:18   control. But like, cause on the music app, you can also say,

00:35:21   download this album.

00:35:22   Yes.

00:35:24   As well as just giving over a bunch of storage, like download this album.

00:35:27   So like, I think that they need to have that,

00:35:30   like download this city or this area or this route because

00:35:34   the phone's never going to know. Like you taking this trip right now,

00:35:39   it wouldn't have these maps because you've maybe never been there before. Right?

00:35:42   So like why would it have them? It has to have some user interaction as well as like

00:35:46   just an element of doing it on its own.

00:35:48   But so anyway, I just like I bring all this up because having done a bunch of driving,

00:35:53   I really rely, I rely very heavily on Google Maps and like and Google Maps is great. I

00:35:59   just personally don't like the interface as much and I find the voice more annoying. Like

00:36:04   I prefer to have Siri do the instructions. Although British Siri, not far to California

00:36:10   Siri. I kind of can't stand American/ Californian Siri. She's too chipper for me. It's like,

00:36:15   hey, take it down a notch.

00:36:17   This is the only show doing a WWDC preview that has given over that amount of time to

00:36:23   maps. This is what you come here for, right? It's different.

00:36:26   Myke, Myke, this would be a total shock to listeners. I like maps. I like maps a lot.

00:36:31   I like looking at the new California maps when Apple released them. I'm very curious

00:36:36   and the progress of this project, and I have no expectations.

00:36:41   I expect we'll find out a little bit about that.

00:36:43   There is some basic rumours about updates to maps, I don't know if it's going to be

00:36:49   particularly what you're looking for, it's kind of around making it easier to set frequent

00:36:54   locations and stuff, and like grouping locations and adding photos to them of your own, and

00:36:58   I don't really know why.

00:37:00   But this is what I mean by my Zen this.

00:37:02   I'm not looking for anything.

00:37:04   I don't expect that Apple would ever introduce an offline feature.

00:37:07   I'm just listing this as what are the things that I'm curious about.

00:37:10   And I would love to hear an update on, hey, how is that mapping program going

00:37:14   or see if they decide this is the year to do the new interface?

00:37:17   If they talk about maps at all, they will probably give an update on that.

00:37:20   That mapping project.

00:37:23   What is the other thing? You said you had two things.

00:37:25   The other thing, which is which is more of a problem, more of a frustration.

00:37:30   And I just I just don't even want to really talk about it,

00:37:32   but I will just get it on the record is my endless, endless long term frustration

00:37:39   with the way notifications work on Apple.

00:37:41   I have no expectation that this is going to improve in any way this year at WWDC.

00:37:49   What are you looking for?

00:37:50   I mean, I'm genuinely so happy with what they did with iOS 12.

00:37:54   It is an improvement.

00:37:58   And don't get me like it's an improvement.

00:38:01   But I think this is, my expectation is this is the one of those things where they're gonna be like

00:38:04   "Ah, we improved it and it's much better and now we won't touch it for years."

00:38:08   That's my expectation.

00:38:10   Like the one that is the biggest and obvious and most easy to talk about problem is

00:38:17   that the Apple Watch has no concept of notification management.

00:38:21   So like, if I put iMessage and some other apps in downtime

00:38:26   where they're supposed to be totally inaccessible and not send me any messages,

00:38:30   my Apple Watch will still charmingly send me all the iMessages that people are sending me at any time of the day.

00:38:36   That's just so dumb. I can't...

00:38:38   Yeah.

00:38:38   It's like it's... that sounds like a different company's making the Apple Watch.

00:38:42   It really does, and I always think every time I get caught off guard by that,

00:38:48   I always think about...

00:38:49   there must be parents out there who think they've stopped their child texting, right?

00:38:55   who have no idea that their kid is perfectly able to text all night long just by talking into the watch.

00:39:01   Oh my god, Gray, that's amazing. I've never heard someone mention this before.

00:39:06   Well, I'm sure it's a big secret, right? Like the kids are going to keep their mouth shut about it.

00:39:11   Well, no, I just even this idea, I'd completely forgotten about the fact that the notifications

00:39:16   still go to the watch when downtime is set, and I think part of the reason is

00:39:20   I don't think many people use that downtime feature.

00:39:22   Oh, for sure, yeah.

00:39:23   But the downtime feature is how parental controls work now.

00:39:27   - Yeah.

00:39:28   - Right, like they are tied together pretty much.

00:39:30   So that's hilarious.

00:39:31   - They're intended to be parental controls.

00:39:34   - Yeah.

00:39:35   - Which is why I think they have these weird edge cases.

00:39:37   Like there's a whole bunch of things that like,

00:39:39   I just genuinely don't want to get into

00:39:41   because I recognize like I'm a very edge case user here.

00:39:44   - I think you're gonna be happy though about,

00:39:47   so let's imagine that this does get fixed.

00:39:49   One of the rumors for screen time,

00:39:51   so it includes all of this stuff, right,

00:39:53   is that there will be some additional controls,

00:39:56   and they're meant to be parental controls,

00:39:57   but again, it all kind of mixes together,

00:39:59   about limiting who can be contacted during certain times.

00:40:04   - Oh, that would be great.

00:40:06   - So you could say, "I don't, during these hours,

00:40:10   "I don't want to be contacted by anyone except my wife."

00:40:14   - Okay, yeah, see, that's perfect.

00:40:16   If that comes to pass, I'd be really thrilled about it.

00:40:20   Because that again, iMessage usually for me is the absolute core of the problem because

00:40:26   it spans the importance of people in my life.

00:40:30   Yeah.

00:40:31   But it's, but if you don't shut it off, it's just a fire hose.

00:40:35   Yeah.

00:40:36   And yeah, I feel like you have several levels of like, are you a direct family member?

00:40:42   You know, you should be able to reach me all the time.

00:40:44   Are you friends?

00:40:46   And then in particular, like, is this a number that I've never heard of before?

00:40:49   Right? Like, you know, don't you should basically never be able to bother me.

00:40:52   The one the one I wonder, I wonder if it has anything to do with like

00:40:57   telephony laws or something, but I'm always baffled that there's not

00:41:00   a setting where I can say only people in my address book can call my phone.

00:41:04   Like that's the one that always blows my

00:41:06   mind when I get some like random phone call and like, hey,

00:41:10   you're you're nobody to me number I've never heard of.

00:41:13   Like why do you and the thing that's extra

00:41:15   frustrating about that is it's not just that you get to call,

00:41:18   you get to turn my whole phone useless for a minute? Like you take over the whole screen?

00:41:24   I really hope that that's something that they fix. Like there is literally nothing on iOS that can

00:41:30   can do this except for calls. So like FaceTime does it. I have no problem with FaceTime video

00:41:36   doing it because there's an actual usage to that because yeah if I'm going to be on a video call

00:41:41   I would like to see myself before I answer. Exactly. So that's useful. But like for audio

00:41:48   calls. I don't understand, like, why can't it just be a notification like every other type of

00:41:53   notification? When I get an iMessage, I don't get, like, a full-screen preview of it, like,

00:41:58   when it comes in. Yeah, and if you reject the iMessage, the other person knows because their

00:42:03   iMessage has been instantly rejected. So you just have to sit there like an idiot. Yeah, it's, um,

00:42:08   that, that, if they, if they introduce something like that, I'll be very happy if there's any kind

00:42:13   kind of communications hierarchy,

00:42:16   particularly for iMessage.

00:42:18   But yeah, there's just,

00:42:20   there's a lot of weird buggy edge case stuff still

00:42:24   around notifications and how they come through

00:42:27   and how things are done

00:42:30   that I just don't really expect to change.

00:42:32   But if something like that can be set up for iMessage,

00:42:34   I'd be pretty happy about it.

00:42:35   And that would be a big improvement to my life.

00:42:38   Even just priority levels for iMessage

00:42:41   would be a pretty big deal.

00:42:42   So that would make me happy, Myke.

00:42:43   But now, do you see what the problem is?

00:42:45   You've raised my expectations where I had none,

00:42:48   where I thought, I'll never get any of this,

00:42:51   so I'll just see what happens,

00:42:52   and now if I don't get it, I'm gonna be angry.

00:42:55   - I think the issue we find is

00:42:56   if you're left to your own devices,

00:42:59   the things that you will wish for and get disappointed about

00:43:02   are things that are probably not gonna happen.

00:43:04   But now, at least, I can tell you some stuff

00:43:07   that you can start to get excited about,

00:43:08   which is maybe more likely to happen.

00:43:10   I think I preferred my zen state of mind.

00:43:13   I'm like, "Oh, well, I'll see what happens."

00:43:15   Well, unfortunately there's nothing you can do to get away from this, so buckle up.

00:43:19   I'm going to take you on a whistle-stop tour of some of the things that I think are the most important

00:43:23   that will hopefully be coming out of WWDC this year.

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00:45:32   Our thanks to Boosted for their support of this show and Relay FM.

00:45:36   What else is coming?

00:45:37   There's a lot of stuff that's been leaked and rumored, but there are some key areas

00:45:44   that I think are worth talking about.

00:45:46   Probably the one that will be the biggest is iPad apps on the Mac.

00:45:50   Oh yeah, the Marzipan stuff, right?

00:45:52   Yes.

00:45:53   So this is the internal codename that has been public, but leaked publicly for a couple

00:46:00   years is the project is called Marzipan. It's very unlikely to be called Marzipan as its public

00:46:05   project name because that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, they're not going to pick a strong bad

00:46:10   character from the early 2000s to name their new project after. That's not going to happen.

00:46:14   I think that's what it is, but sure, that could be the reason. So this is part of a multi-year

00:46:21   project to bring iOS apps to the Mac and maybe back again. We'll see. We don't know what that's

00:46:27   actually going to end up looking like. But it starts with iPad, so just iPad applications.

00:46:33   So this, currently on the Mac, there are a selection of these applications that Apple

00:46:38   made for themselves, but now they're going to be beefing up these tools and making them

00:46:43   available for developers. This is what is expected, and this will probably be the biggest

00:46:49   thing that comes out of WWDC. There will be things for users, like, you know, we're going

00:46:55   to talk about some of those things that the average user might be more excited about,

00:46:58   but considering this is a developer conference, this is the big one. Because it will enable

00:47:03   more people to develop for the Mac than they have been before, and it will also enable

00:47:08   existing Mac developers who have iOS apps to be able to simplify their work processes

00:47:14   a bit, possibly. The other thing that this is going to do is cause lots and lots of concern

00:47:19   and worry amongst many different types of people about what the future of Apple's platforms

00:47:24   are going to be, but we don't need to get into that here on this show because I think that, like me,

00:47:30   you will be very intrigued and excited about the prospect of iPad apps on the Mac because I'm sure,

00:47:36   you know, as somebody who uses both devices, that there are some apps that you have on iOS that

00:47:41   don't exist on the Mac or that you prefer the iOS versions than the Mac versions, and it will be

00:47:47   really cool to be able to have this stuff as well as somebody who cares about the iPad.

00:47:54   I think that this is going to be very good for the iPad as well, because it will, I think,

00:47:58   enable or will empower some developers to think about the applications as being more professional,

00:48:04   more powerful, now that they can exist in both places. So I'm really excited about what this

00:48:10   could mean for the next few years. Yeah, and I think it only makes sense that over the long

00:48:21   scale, Apple would want to decrease the workload on developers.

00:48:27   And if they can do anything to streamline the process of "you can get this app on multiple

00:48:33   devices," that's good for them.

00:48:35   That's good for the whole ecosystem, that's good for all of the devices.

00:48:39   In the same way that, I forget what it's called, but the thing that they, that the developers

00:48:45   talk about how you can like, resolutionally independently design what your app looks like,

00:48:50   iOS should do a lot of work to kind of stretch it for different phones and even stretch it

00:48:54   for the iPad.

00:48:55   Size classes.

00:48:56   Size classes, thank you.

00:48:57   I was like, I've heard the nerds talk about those things a bunch and it's like, and

00:49:02   as, as someone who has spent a lot of time doing say vector artwork, like I completely

00:49:07   understand this concept of like you can design a thing sort of independent of the way it's

00:49:12   going to be shown.

00:49:13   And it's like, it's obvious, like it's obviously a thing that's better and good

00:49:17   to do rather than like, "Oh, you have to lovingly place each pixel exactly where it's supposed

00:49:23   to be for app development or for animation."

00:49:25   So that makes sense.

00:49:27   And it makes sense that, like, I don't know, if you think about it, if a company were to

00:49:33   start over today, it would seem insane to say, "Oh, we have a bunch of engineers, but

00:49:38   we're going to split all of their time across two totally separate platforms that will be

00:49:44   non-interchangeable."

00:49:45   And it's like, why would you do that?

00:49:47   Of course you'd want to design one operating system that

00:49:50   would just express itself differently

00:49:53   in different places.

00:49:54   I'll be curious to see how far along it is.

00:49:57   Last year's Marzipan felt very much like, oh, hey,

00:50:01   we're trying a thing.

00:50:03   It's not open to developers, but we're just messing around,

00:50:07   and we'll see how this goes.

00:50:08   So I'll be curious to see if they have something

00:50:10   like a real API for developers to start messing around with.

00:50:14   - Well, no, the expectation, Gray,

00:50:15   is that this will be now for apps shipping in the fall.

00:50:19   Like that is the expectation.

00:50:21   But like- - Really?

00:50:22   - This is year one and year one is iPad

00:50:25   and then next year will be iPhone.

00:50:28   And then the year after that will be like some other thing

00:50:31   which kind of ties them all together even more.

00:50:34   - Interesting.

00:50:35   - But yeah, the plan is that like that is the kind of

00:50:37   agreed upon expectation from all of the rumors

00:50:40   and all of the reports are saying that

00:50:42   that is gonna be this year,

00:50:43   that we will see the first set of apps

00:50:46   being able to be released from iPad to the Mac.

00:50:50   I think it's very exciting.

00:50:51   I'm very intrigued about it.

00:50:52   I think from Apple's perspective, as you say,

00:50:55   it makes perfect sense,

00:50:56   because they're able to take two platforms,

00:50:58   which are the Mac and the iPad,

00:51:00   which are doing great, but they're not the iPhone.

00:51:02   And if they can kind of concentrate development

00:51:05   around one single application,

00:51:07   it might help both platforms,

00:51:09   because a company could make a good iPad app

00:51:12   and they'll get the Mac version,

00:51:14   and they will do some tweaks to make it work well,

00:51:17   you would hope, but then they don't have to start

00:51:19   from the start, and I think part of this is because,

00:51:21   really, in recent years, Mac development has slowed down

00:51:25   quite a lot, and there are not a lot of new Mac apps anymore,

00:51:28   and this gives Apple the ability to allow for that platform

00:51:31   to still get attention and love and care,

00:51:34   as long as they do it right.

00:51:35   So there's gonna be a lot of particulars

00:51:37   about just how well this is gonna work,

00:51:39   but for someone like me, who is predominantly iOS,

00:51:42   Like I'm really hoping for it because I have some applications that I absolutely

00:51:45   rely on that when I'm sitting at the Mac,

00:51:47   I would love to be able to get access to, you know,

00:51:49   like we mentioned Timery before and the, the,

00:51:52   the time zone app that I love Calzones.

00:51:54   Like I want to be able to have those apps on my Mac because the stuff that I'm

00:51:59   using on my Mac, it's just not as good as the iOS apps that I'm used to using.

00:52:03   So, you know, I mean, you have complained for a long time about like,

00:52:07   say like Fantastic Cal that it's like,

00:52:09   it's different on the platforms and this will hopefully start to bring a lot of that closer

00:52:15   together for some developers. And I was mentioning earlier, right, there aren't a lot of desktop

00:52:21   podcast clients? Well that will change, right, with marzipan, because there are loads of

00:52:25   iOS podcast apps, but I can't think of any that make an actual desktop application, there's

00:52:32   some that have web players and stuff, but this will allow for that.

00:52:35   It has a Mac app? It has an actual separate Mac app, because I know I used that for years.

00:52:41   But it's interesting because I sort of think of the Marzipan project, it's almost like a conservation project.

00:52:49   In the sense of, there's a resource out in the world, which is developer attention.

00:52:56   And there's only so many developers able to work on so many things.

00:53:03   things. Skilled developers are a non-infinite resource. And I think that's why we see it

00:53:10   play out that there is this economy of scale effect just in the computing world in general.

00:53:18   Like for example, Windows Phone became extinct and I think part of the reason was because

00:53:23   it was just like one platform too many for developers to spread their resources across.

00:53:30   And it's interesting talking sometimes to people who create apps or who run companies

00:53:36   that have an app side.

00:53:38   And you very much have to make this decision about what platforms are we going to spend

00:53:43   developer attention on.

00:53:44   And it's like, okay, we're going to make something for Android and we're going to make something

00:53:50   for the iPhone.

00:53:51   And it's like, that's 100% for sure.

00:53:53   And then after that, you run into this limited resources problem.

00:53:57   Right, but even then, companies will prioritize.

00:54:00   Sometimes you'll be like, "Right, we're going to make an Android version first,

00:54:03   and then iOS will come later, or vice versa."

00:54:06   That's a part of it, and then I think these days,

00:54:10   if you're making an application from the start,

00:54:13   like iPad and the Mac, it's probably a toss-up between them,

00:54:16   and they're definitely at the bottom of the list.

00:54:18   And I think Apple would prefer it if that wasn't the case.

00:54:20   If Apple pulls off Marzipan in the way that would be ideal,

00:54:26   I really think of it as like this conservation project.

00:54:29   It's like, oh, it's almost like installing

00:54:33   more efficient electric light bulbs in a bunch of houses.

00:54:36   It's like, oh, okay, great.

00:54:37   We still have the same amount of electricity.

00:54:38   We still have the same amount of developer time,

00:54:40   but we can now more efficiently

00:54:42   distribute this to produce more.

00:54:44   So I'm really interested to see how it goes,

00:54:47   and I think it totally makes sense

00:54:49   as a long-term Apple project.

00:54:51   And so now I hope to see a lot of interesting things

00:54:54   about marzipan at WWDC.

00:54:57   - Let me tell you one that I know is gonna make you happy.

00:55:00   There are very strong indications

00:55:01   of a system-wide dark mode for iOS.

00:55:04   - No, no, don't (beep) talk to me about dark mode

00:55:07   because no, no, look.

00:55:10   No, (beep) you because every year,

00:55:15   every goddamn year it's the same thing.

00:55:19   It's like, oh, dark mode's gonna be this year for sure.

00:55:23   I'm sure someone can put together a compilation of every year on Cortex me going like,

00:55:27   "This year's the year for Dark Mode!"

00:55:29   So no, Myke, no.

00:55:31   I've given up. Dark Mode, not gonna happen this year.

00:55:34   I'm saying 100% not going to happen this year,

00:55:37   because it's never going to happen, because I can't put my heart into hoping for Dark Mode.

00:55:45   So don't you dare do this.

00:55:46   Don't you dare do this to me about "This year is the year for Dark Mode."

00:55:50   Obviously not going to be, we know, but if it was going to be, people would say that

00:55:57   as well there would also be a toggle in Control Center, which feels kind of perfect, if it

00:56:00   was going to be such a thing that would ever exist.

00:56:03   Yeah, of course, that's the way it should be, is a system-wide, look everybody, it's

00:56:06   dark mode time now.

00:56:08   God damn it, Myke.

00:56:10   No, I refuse to discuss dark mode anyway.

00:56:13   It's not going to happen.

00:56:14   I'm not even gonna get my hopes up that what I think is obviously an accessibility feature

00:56:22   is actually gonna make it, so I don't wanna hear it, Myke.

00:56:25   No.

00:56:26   Next item!

00:56:27   The new version of Android coming this year, they have a dark mode, and they said, like,

00:56:31   they called it out during Google I/O, they were like, "It actually improves your battery

00:56:34   life."

00:56:35   Which is like, I agree, yeah, it probably does, especially on OLED phones.

00:56:39   Oh yeah, yeah, for the OLED phones, that's true, because the pixels are truly off.

00:56:43   I would love to know what the number is though, right?

00:56:46   Like it can't be more than five percent.

00:56:48   - So here's what I was thinking on that, right?

00:56:50   Like Apple would not say that.

00:56:53   Android, like Google needs to say that

00:56:55   because Android phones battery life is so crazy.

00:56:58   Some of it's like the best battery life

00:57:00   you can get on a phone and some of it's abysmal, right?

00:57:02   Like they run the whole gamut,

00:57:03   even on like the top tier phones, right?

00:57:07   Like it just, it's 'cause it's so variable across them all,

00:57:10   but because Apple just make a small set of phones,

00:57:13   they can kind of control that battery life story a bit better, right? Because we make

00:57:17   these phones and there is like a 90 minute difference between the top and the bottom.

00:57:21   But like on Android, it's like, well, this one could run for three hours or this one

00:57:24   could run for six weeks, right? Like it's just, they can go wherever they want in that

00:57:29   kind of realm. So they'll mention it. But yeah, it would be a big difference.

00:57:33   iPad multitasking. Something happened to me today, Gray, that has never happened before.

00:57:38   I'm pleased that it happened now. I had to explain to somebody over text message how to use split screen on the iPad. Oh

00:57:45   Okay text only that was your only only method of communicate how'd that go

00:57:52   It actually went fine, but I had to really think about how to describe it

00:57:59   Like our friend Federico

00:58:04   I am overall a fan of the way that Apple implemented the enhancements to multitasking on the iPad

00:58:11   Federico just wrote this wonderful article about working on the iPad and he talks about multitasking in it quite a lot and

00:58:17   He reminded me of what it used to be like with the old app switcher

00:58:21   Right, and I am so pleased that we do not live in that world anymore

00:58:25   but I am very aware of the complexity of the system and

00:58:31   the things that it is lacking and I'm really hoping and I have my fingers crossed and

00:58:36   all the signs are really pointing to that we're gonna see some changes this year because

00:58:40   The same rumors for the same stuff that we're getting now

00:58:44   They were all rumored last year

00:58:46   But then there was this there was a lot of backlash against Apple and they had to focus on performance and stability

00:58:51   So they put the iPad stuff on the back burner

00:58:53   So my hope is not only are we gonna get

00:58:57   enhancements to iPad multitasking, they're actually going to be even better because they've had longer to work on them.

00:59:02   So what I want to see and what I hope we will and I think we will is some refinements to the system.

00:59:07   Like there are times where

00:59:09   multitasking on iOS, so having multiple apps open and how you open those apps is

00:59:14   Conkey to say the least. It works and if you know how it works, it's very powerful

00:59:19   But you've got to get your head around it and I would love to see them make some changes to it. So, you know, I

00:59:25   still

00:59:26   Wish for what you asked for two years ago

00:59:29   Which is the ability and just using keyboard shortcuts to be able to open applications and move them around. I

00:59:34   I really hope that that's something that exists, but that still feels like it's on the edge

00:59:39   I would just like to see some changes Myke remember when we first

00:59:43   Complained about keyboard shortcuts and I had what I thought was a very modest proposal

00:59:49   You know, we we heard back sort of like

00:59:53   But like totally from the inside, like, "Oh, don't worry, we've got something amazing

00:59:58   that you won't even be wanting those keyboard shortcuts."

01:00:03   And then it's like, "Okay, two years later, here we are."

01:00:07   Well, maybe now.

01:00:08   Maybe now you're going to get the amazing thing.

01:00:10   But I feel like Apple didn't get the chance, for whatever reason,

01:00:13   the people that work on this stuff, to actually iterate.

01:00:16   We are still using, two years later, version one of this new multitasking system.

01:00:20   So I'm hoping that we see some iteration on it.

01:00:23   And one of the big things, which is,

01:00:25   this is being reported on very widely,

01:00:27   but it's very, no one seems to have

01:00:29   a real consistent way to explain it.

01:00:31   But the idea of being able to run multiple instances

01:00:36   or windows of the same application in multiple places.

01:00:40   Now this is like a key thing, right?

01:00:43   So like the ability to have two Google Sheets open

01:00:45   next to each other, or to be able to have Google Sheets

01:00:48   and twitter open, I don't know why you would do that but you could, in one app pair and

01:00:54   google sheets and google docs open in another app pair and they don't break and they stay

01:00:58   together.

01:00:59   This is the kind of stuff that, again when you start thinking, so here's where a lot

01:01:04   of this can kind of start to come full circle, that kind of needs to be in place more heavily

01:01:13   if you are thinking about iPad apps on the Mac.

01:01:16   - Right, right, of course.

01:01:19   - Right, so when you start to think about those two things

01:01:21   in parallel about multiple windows and multiple views,

01:01:25   you can start to see that obviously,

01:01:27   if you wanna make an app feel at home on the Mac,

01:01:29   that's very normal.

01:01:30   So then you could be like,

01:01:31   well, if it's gonna be on the Mac,

01:01:32   then they can find a way to do it on the iPad as well.

01:01:35   And that might be part of the reason why,

01:01:37   because that's complex enough,

01:01:38   why they focused on the iPad for this first version,

01:01:41   not the iPhone.

01:01:42   So my hope would be that we're gonna see

01:01:44   not just improvements to multitasking,

01:01:47   but also just the way that the system itself is navigated

01:01:51   and to be made to be more powerful

01:01:54   for people that want it more powerful like me

01:01:56   and also more approachable

01:01:58   for people that need it to be more approachable,

01:02:00   but also that we would see the ability to use applications

01:02:03   in multiple places without disrupting

01:02:07   the other views of the app that we've got.

01:02:09   I think that would be amazing.

01:02:11   - Yeah, that would actually address perhaps

01:02:14   one of my workflow frustrations in that,

01:02:18   because I've come to terms with using the iPad

01:02:20   as a research/reading buddy instead of as the primary device

01:02:25   that I'm doing computing on.

01:02:26   Also, it should now be more obvious

01:02:28   in retrospect to the listeners,

01:02:29   partly because I've been using Final Cut Pro

01:02:32   a hell of a lot more over the last two years

01:02:34   for some projects, which is definitely a thing

01:02:37   that influenced my move back to the Mac

01:02:40   that I couldn't really talk about before.

01:02:41   But one of the frustrations that I have

01:02:43   that would be great is the ability

01:02:45   to have multiple windows in Safari,

01:02:47   because as often I'm working on like two

01:02:51   or three video projects sort of in parallel,

01:02:55   and I've been using the iPad for like looking up stuff,

01:02:58   which I totally love.

01:02:59   You know, I always end up with like,

01:03:01   here's 20 tabs that are about this one project,

01:03:03   and they're right next to here's 20 tabs

01:03:05   about this other project.

01:03:06   And I'd love to be able to, like I can on the computer,

01:03:09   say this is the Safari window that's holding all the tabs for project A, and this is the Safari

01:03:15   window that's holding all of the tabs for project B and to keep them separate. That would be great.

01:03:19   It's very easy to do on the Mac, but it's not possible right now to do on the iPad. So if there

01:03:24   was an ability to do multiple instances of Safari, I would use the heck out of that every single day.

01:03:31   That would be a very big workflow improvement because right now I end up just trying to always

01:03:37   always rearrange the tabs to put all of the same ones together

01:03:40   and then scroll horizontally back and forth between the groups,

01:03:43   which is fine, but it's not ideal,

01:03:46   and it's very easy to lose a tab somewhere in those bunches.

01:03:49   So that would be great. That'd be really great.

01:03:51   Yeah, this is the thing that I am hoping for the most,

01:03:55   is these multiple app instances and multitasking improvements.

01:03:59   Would you use that with Google Sheets and Google Docs for show prep?

01:04:02   Is that the use case for you?

01:04:04   Just so many, right? Like the ability, for example, to just always have a Safari window

01:04:13   and a Google Sheet open for when I want to do invoicing, right? It just lives there and

01:04:18   I could just go into that space whenever I wanted. But even just something as simple

01:04:22   as, which is something I do all the time, two Google Docs. I very frequently need to

01:04:26   be able to use two Google Docs at the same time for like show preparation stuff and for

01:04:31   research stuff but also just the idea of not having to every time I want to

01:04:36   change from looking at notes to looking at sheets to have to like oh well now

01:04:42   I've got to break down this app pair and rebuild it again like I really like the

01:04:46   idea of being able to have that and then have some kind of like really nice

01:04:50   window management right so like I'm not like hunting for that space that I built

01:04:54   right like I really I really am I'm really hoping that we start to see a lot

01:05:00   more about this, I feel like I'll end up getting in trouble for saying something like this,

01:05:06   but what an actual real future operating system could look like.

01:05:14   You have the ability here to be like, look, we're all using touch screens now and touch

01:05:20   screens are clearly the future because they're the current and they're dominant and PCs all

01:05:26   have touch screens. So like touch is a huge part of computing. It's probably, you know what, I'm

01:05:30   going to strike that. Touch is the main way that people interact with computing devices now,

01:05:35   because we all use our phones all the time, right? So I would love to see just a different way of

01:05:42   thinking about this type of stuff, like window management and application management, and how

01:05:46   we arrange them and how we navigate between them on a device that is a big, beautiful touch screen.

01:05:52   So like let's let's continue pushing that forward and I hope that

01:05:56   Some of this stuff is going to show me a little bit more about that because I can see parts of it in here

01:06:01   Right. It's like when I go into the current multitasking and I have all these little live previews of all these windows

01:06:07   Like that's visually quite nice because I can see like oh that's that one and that's that one and that's that one

01:06:12   So I'm hoping to see some stuff there

01:06:14   but one of the things that I also really want which would tie into this is I

01:06:18   I don't want to see a grid of app icons anymore.

01:06:20   Yeah, that has always felt out of place on the iPad in particular.

01:06:25   Let's change the desktop, right?

01:06:27   Let me create my own shortcuts to open these two applications together.

01:06:32   Let's put some documents on there. Let's put some widgets.

01:06:34   Let's get rid of this silly app icon grid, right,

01:06:39   which shouldn't be on the iPad in 2019 the way that this looks.

01:06:44   It should be a little bit more rich than that.

01:06:46   And again, this is something that's just been rumoured for a couple of years.

01:06:49   The rumours have come around again this year that there's going to be more going on in the home screen.

01:06:53   So we'll see about that.

01:06:54   Yeah, I'd be curious if that actually comes to pass because that does feel like an annual,

01:07:00   "Oh, this has to change because it's so obviously dumb to just have these tiny squares on this gigantic screen

01:07:06   and it's totally useless real estate."

01:07:08   I'd love to see something more interesting and more usable, but I wouldn't count on that anytime soon.

01:07:14   but you know, I'd love to see it.

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01:08:48   In leading up to this episode of being recorded, this isn't why people did this, but there

01:08:54   have been a bunch of different reports.

01:08:56   So the two biggest reports are Mark Gurman at Bloomberg and Guillermo Rambo at 9to5Mac.

01:09:02   These are the two individuals who have had the most to say and they're credible people

01:09:07   who seem to have very good information.

01:09:10   And both of them are talking about updates to reminders and mail and there being significant

01:09:17   feature improvements and the both. Reminders is basically, let's actually do something

01:09:22   with reminders.

01:09:23   What is it? Has that been updated in 10 years? I don't know if it has.

01:09:27   It hasn't been touched in a very long time.

01:09:29   Doesn't it still have the paper texture on it in the background?

01:09:31   It does, yes.

01:09:32   Yeah, but so does Notes, though. It's very faint, but it is there.

01:09:35   Yeah, Notes, every time I notice it, it makes me smile. It's like, "Oh, hi. Hi, the

01:09:40   ghost of Steve Jobs still haunting this phone."

01:09:42   Notes, like, notes I can excuse it for when the Apple Pencil came around. Like, now I

01:09:47   can excuse it again. Like, I didn't excuse it when they kept it, but now I do. But, so,

01:09:52   you know, what's actually going to come to remind us in Mail, like, the reports seem

01:09:56   to be indicating different stuff, but, like, for example, we could see snoozing features

01:10:00   come to Mail. So, like, stuff to actually, which I think, you know, whether you use those

01:10:05   types of features or not, I think Apple's Mail app is falling behind on what Mail apps

01:10:10   do today and I would love to see them add some stuff in which makes it a little bit

01:10:14   more current.

01:10:16   Yeah, if Apple introduced in their mail apps some kind of snoozing or boomerang feature

01:10:23   where you can tell a message to go away and then come back later, I would finally seriously

01:10:28   think about using that as part of the workflow because, you know, like we've discussed the

01:10:32   wheel of email apps.

01:10:34   I just, I never quite want to get into that with any particular app because it always,

01:10:38   you're then really relying on that app and I just feel like, "Ugh, it's, you know, we've

01:10:44   discussed email many times." But if Apple introduced that, since I use the mail app

01:10:48   for my email anyway, I would begin to think about, "Oh, how does this make sense in my

01:10:52   workflow?"

01:10:53   Because you don't have to worry about Apple's mail app running out of money and closing

01:10:56   down.

01:10:57   Exactly, exactly.

01:10:58   Which I constantly worry about with every email app that I've ever used over the last

01:11:03   five years.

01:11:04   "What's the business model?"

01:11:06   "Nobody knows!"

01:11:07   Let's do this as well.

01:11:08   And Reminders as well, like, I have no idea what they're really going to do to this, but

01:11:12   what I hope they do is they do to Reminders what they did to Notes, because Notes became

01:11:16   a joke until they put focus on it a few years ago.

01:11:20   It's like, I was nine and made it good, and then they haven't needed to touch it really.

01:11:24   Yeah, Notes is great now.

01:11:25   Because Notes has rebuilt it and they made it fantastic, and they never did that to Reminders,

01:11:30   and Reminders has still kind of got stuck in the past, and I think it would be really

01:11:33   great for Apple to make an application that was closer to a todoist, right? Or a things,

01:11:40   you know? And I don't think that they're ever gonna, I don't think they're gonna get as

01:11:44   close to those things as app, as Notes did, get to Notes apps, right? Like, because I

01:11:51   think the inherent complexity of a good to do app will kind of stop them from being able

01:11:57   to get there without really sinking a lot of time into it, which is probably not necessary.

01:12:02   But it would be really great to see a…

01:12:06   You know what I would be super intrigued to see?

01:12:08   Can Apple make reminders so good that I would consider switching to it?

01:12:11   Oh wow, okay.

01:12:13   Because I could.

01:12:14   It's going to be a hide bar, but you could…

01:12:18   It is within the realm of possibility that they could do that for you.

01:12:21   It is way closer for me than it is for you, right?

01:12:23   Because ultimately I am using projects and due dates.

01:12:29   They are like the two main features that I use in a to-do app.

01:12:32   I'm very simple with what I'm doing and then I add little bits in here and there,

01:12:36   but I don't really need a lot more.

01:12:38   So I'm keen to see how close can they get to making something that I would really want

01:12:43   to use.

01:12:44   That's what I'm intrigued about.

01:12:45   The thing they could do for me is replace things as the alternate "Oh God, I need

01:12:52   something else to separately track the mission critical stuff."

01:12:56   they could replace things in my recommendation hierarchy

01:13:00   if they did to reminders what they did with notes.

01:13:05   So yeah, and of course,

01:13:07   as someone who is professionally interested in task managers,

01:13:10   anything they do, I'll be very interested to see what it is

01:13:13   no matter what they do.

01:13:16   Like, oh, they've added this, that's nice.

01:13:17   And I don't use reminders very often,

01:13:21   but I do find that it's perfect

01:13:25   for like a certain kind of lazy reminder

01:13:28   where I'll just be, you know,

01:13:29   I'll just say something like,

01:13:31   "Hey Siri, remind me to buy milk when I leave the office."

01:13:34   Like that kind of thing, that's what I use reminders for.

01:13:37   - Okay, I'll remind you about my milk when you leave work.

01:13:39   - Thank you, Siri, see, that's it.

01:13:41   That's the case where I use it sometimes and it's great.

01:13:48   And now when I get back to my office, which is what?

01:13:51   2000 miles and at least two months away.

01:13:55   as soon as you leave it. - I will buy some milk.

01:13:56   Yeah.

01:13:57   - You're gonna be like, huh, okay.

01:14:00   You'll come home that day and you'll put the milk

01:14:02   in the fridge and say, there's so much milk here already.

01:14:04   What happened to me?

01:14:05   Something that I'm hoping that they do well

01:14:09   is screen time on the Mac.

01:14:11   - Oh God, yeah, I totally forgot about that.

01:14:13   That's the thing that I wanted.

01:14:14   Yeah, yeah, I would like to see that.

01:14:15   - But that is a thing that is apparently coming

01:14:17   and it's like, what will that be?

01:14:18   Will that be for just apps that are iOS apps

01:14:21   or will it be for all apps?

01:14:22   Like how deep is it gonna go?

01:14:24   But I would love to have that collection of data, right?

01:14:28   As well as what's going on on my iOS devices.

01:14:31   This is what we spoke about when we did our big screen time

01:14:33   comparison episode.

01:14:35   Of like there is all this lost time

01:14:37   because we're doing stuff on the Mac.

01:14:39   So I would love to know what all of that data looks like

01:14:43   when also compared with my iOS devices as well.

01:14:46   I think it would be fascinating.

01:14:48   - Yeah, and just for completeness sake,

01:14:51   screen time on the Apple TV.

01:14:53   I thought he was going to sit on the Apple watch, but yes, on the Apple TV would be good too.

01:14:57   Right, because that's when we did our screen time comparison.

01:15:02   You still can't do it!

01:15:03   I know, I don't know why, I had such a hard time saying it.

01:15:06   Street crimes!

01:15:07   Street crimes! When we did our street crime episode!

01:15:09   This is like a two-step... I cannot say these words properly every time, but yeah,

01:15:16   whenever we did that comparison last time, that was like the big thing that was missing for me is

01:15:20   like, oh, I've also, when I'm not reading, I'm watching Netflix and like all this

01:15:24   time is totally unrepresented.

01:15:25   This does tie back into a little bit of my concerns about notification and

01:15:30   downtime though, where there's, I think very few people use it, but it is really

01:15:34   glitchy with how it handles websites and allowing or disallowing Safari as a, as

01:15:41   an app.

01:15:41   And like it constantly messes up this thing and there's some weird interactions

01:15:46   there and if they do bring screen time to the Mac and there's any kind of unified downtime,

01:15:55   I just genuinely hope they allow users to set different settings for different devices

01:16:01   because that's one of my current frustrations that however you want to use downtime right

01:16:05   now, you have no choice that it has to treat every single device the exact same way that's

01:16:10   signed into iCloud.

01:16:11   So you're saying you want that to be the case, you want to be able to say all of them?

01:16:15   I want to be able to specify different downtime settings

01:16:20   for my computer versus my phone.

01:16:21   - Right. - Right?

01:16:22   So like, iMessage is blocked everywhere in the morning,

01:16:26   but like maybe on the computer,

01:16:28   I don't want it for a different reason, right?

01:16:31   Or actually it's mainly Safari,

01:16:32   that's usually the one that's the problem.

01:16:34   - So on your iPhone and your iPad,

01:16:37   do they match up right now on the--

01:16:39   - They do, they match up right now,

01:16:41   and you have no ability to set them differently.

01:16:43   - Oh, that's crazy.

01:16:44   which causes some problems, particularly around Safari.

01:16:47   There's so much I don't know about this downtime system,

01:16:50   because I really don't know anybody that uses it except you.

01:16:54   I may be the only user.

01:16:55   I know people using the tools for parental control reasons, right?

01:16:59   But parental control reasons pretty much inherently means you don't know what's actually happening.

01:17:04   Right, and whoever is using the device doesn't want to tell you if there's leakage in the system.

01:17:11   "Papa, papa, I can get to the websites!"

01:17:15   Yeah, that's not happening.

01:17:17   There is, again, I don't even want to try to describe the situation.

01:17:21   I will just say that there's a lot of very strangeness in the behavior,

01:17:25   particularly around Safari,

01:17:27   and if Safari is available or if the websites are available or not.

01:17:31   And that's usually the one that causes me the most problem.

01:17:33   And so I would like to be able to have screen time tracking everything,

01:17:40   but then be able to separately specify like, "Oh, downtime applies to my iOS devices,

01:17:46   but I don't want it to apply to the computer."

01:17:48   Like, I would like to be able to set that up, but I have no expectations that that will be possible.

01:17:54   I will at this point, I would like to read to you a quote from Bloomberg about Apple Watch faces.

01:18:01   So this is, again, this is obviously not confirmed, we're not going to know,

01:18:05   but this is the report.

01:18:06   The company is planning several new watch faces, a gradient face that makes a gradient

01:18:11   look out of a color that the user chooses.

01:18:16   At least two new extra large faces that show jumbo numbers in different fonts and colors,

01:18:21   a California dial that looks like a classic watch face that mixes Roman numerals with

01:18:26   Arabic numerals, a redesigned solar analog face that looks like a sundial, and a new

01:18:35   Infograph subdial that includes larger complication views like a stock market chart or the weather.

01:18:42   [laughter]

01:18:43   Look. Look.

01:18:45   I will just go on to say that Apple is adding more watch face complications which show additional

01:18:54   snippets of information beyond just the time. There will be one that shows...

01:18:57   Oh wow.

01:18:58   I think that's strangely written. I think they're trying to explain what complications

01:19:02   are in this article as opposed to, but anyway, there'll be one that shows the status of audiobooks,

01:19:06   another showing the battery life of hearing aids, and one that measures external noise

01:19:10   and rain data. Is this all what you were looking for?

01:19:14   I don't want to be mean, but... But let me be mean for a minute.

01:19:21   But I don't know if it's constraints placed on them by the company, but the Apple Watch

01:19:32   face design team has had half a decade to do something genuinely useful and I think

01:19:42   they have basically totally failed at this job.

01:19:45   And it's endlessly frustrating to me how the Apple Watch, which still is a device that

01:19:53   I totally love, is so hamstrung by the watch faces.

01:20:00   From a very high level, what do you want to see?

01:20:03   Here's like a very basic problem is whoever is designing these faces doesn't know how

01:20:12   looking at a watch works.

01:20:14   So I use the Infograph face right now which has the analog watch hands and then you can

01:20:20   put some circle complications.

01:20:21   Okay, so you're using the one with the watch face not the modular one which is like just

01:20:26   a digital face.

01:20:27   Yes.

01:20:28   So the modular one is so ugly it could cause a seizure if you look directly at it.

01:20:34   It's horrific.

01:20:35   That's problematic for a watch.

01:20:36   It is, yes.

01:20:37   Even like the freaking font they use for the numbers is like a font for morons.

01:20:44   But so I'm using the Infograph watch face and it's like okay, here's a basic idea of

01:20:50   design which is like information hierarchy.

01:20:54   Something like if I'm making a video and say you're trying to explain something to people,

01:20:58   I spend a lot of time thinking about,

01:21:01   when this is on screen, what's the focus of the thing?

01:21:05   Like, what's the primary thing

01:21:07   that people are going to be looking at?

01:21:09   And you wanna like, draw their eye to that thing.

01:21:12   And there can be more stuff on the screen,

01:21:16   but you shouldn't have competing focuses.

01:21:20   And so, on this watch face,

01:21:23   what are you, why don't you look at,

01:21:24   like, when you look at a watch,

01:21:26   why are you looking at the watch?

01:21:28   I want to know what the time is.

01:21:29   Right! So do I 80 to 90 percent of the time that I'm looking at a watch.

01:21:34   But like, on this watch face, what is the most difficult thing to read?

01:21:38   It's the freaking time.

01:21:40   Because the markers for the hours are less bright than they could be.

01:21:48   There's too many little markers so it's not visually easy to be able to distinguish like how far along the minute hand is.

01:21:54   Reading the time is actually quite hard.

01:21:57   And what is all the secondary information, which is the complications, are visually much brighter than the actual watch face itself.

01:22:07   And like this is such a basic fundamental failure in displaying information that it's like really this year when they rolled out these watch faces and I had like, I had a kind of mental breakdown that I smartly avoided putting online.

01:22:25   we talked about it ages ago where I was like snapshotting all the watch faces and I was

01:22:29   like, I'm going to make something complaining about all this and then I decided to put that

01:22:32   aside. Like I just to me it totally confirms like whatever this team is doing, it's a total

01:22:38   failure on every level and there's no hope for the future.

01:22:41   Let's just, let's just, let's just wait until next week before we categorically state that.

01:22:49   Right, let's just wait.

01:22:51   Look, whatever they're doing, I think it just has to be opened up to developers to do their own things.

01:22:58   Yeah, I will tell you that that is absolutely nowhere in these reports that that's going to be coming this year.

01:23:04   Third-party watch faces.

01:23:05   Yeah, I don't think it's ever going to come.

01:23:08   And I think Apple thinks they're doing a great job with this.

01:23:10   I think it will because we said this about custom keyboards, right?

01:23:15   Like the idea of Apple allowing anyone to make a custom keyboard seemed wild.

01:23:19   I think at a certain point, right, they're going to come to a version of WatchOS where

01:23:24   they're like, we need a big feature this year, so it's time to do it.

01:23:30   I think that at some point they're going to run out of features that they want to implement

01:23:34   and then this is the big one that will be like the linchpin for that year.

01:23:38   But I just think that they haven't gotten there.

01:23:40   Yeah, I mean it looks like this year it's going to be a lot more health stuff.

01:23:43   They're going to be bringing a bunch of health apps and also, which I think is hilarious,

01:23:47   I kind of can't believe it's true, but I understand why, but I still can't believe it.

01:23:51   The rumor is they're going to be putting an app store directly onto the Apple Watch so

01:23:54   you can download apps on the watch without needing the phone.

01:23:58   I just, I don't, that's ridiculous.

01:24:00   I don't think that's, that can't be true.

01:24:01   So it is a necessary part of making the watch completely independent from the phone, which

01:24:06   at some point in the future it will be, right?

01:24:08   Because that just makes sense.

01:24:11   So you kind of need to have an app store on it, but I cannot even begin to conceive of

01:24:15   how that works visually.

01:24:18   That's an interesting question of if Apple wants to make it completely independent from

01:24:22   the phone.

01:24:23   I think that just naturally that's the way these things go because like if you imagine

01:24:26   a future of AR glasses, it would be perfect if it just communicated with a watch and you

01:24:32   never needed the phone.

01:24:34   Maybe.

01:24:35   I just wonder from a pure bean-counter-Tim Cook bottom line, like if they would ever

01:24:40   do that.

01:24:41   It is pretty independent as it stands right now, right?

01:24:44   Like over the last few years they've been making it more and more and more so and then

01:24:48   for some reason they're going to put apps, an app store on it to continue that.

01:24:52   Yeah.

01:24:53   The crossing point for me about like if they make it independent is if it could solve the

01:24:58   use case that I've had many parents ask me, which is can I get my kid an Apple Watch without

01:25:05   having to get them a phone?

01:25:07   Like I've actually had a surprising number of parents like they want to do that as a

01:25:11   thing.

01:25:12   much sense to me like as a thing where like in theory you can track them and

01:25:15   you can contact them but they can't really use it and you know like you

01:25:21   can't get a lot done on it you can't play games on it you can't watch videos

01:25:25   on it like so that this is like a reason why like I think that they will get to

01:25:29   it because it has use cases like that yeah so that they are moving there but

01:25:33   yeah this is still not perfect and it's you still have to do a lot and if you

01:25:37   want to run a watch independently right now you will murder the battery because

01:25:41   it will be on LTE all the time and it will just kill it.

01:25:45   - I would like them to do it.

01:25:46   I could conceive of them never quite fully separating

01:25:50   out the watch so that the use case of my child

01:25:52   has no other Apple device except for the watch is possible.

01:25:56   Because that also would mean things like,

01:25:58   how do you set up your iCloud account?

01:26:00   There's a whole lot that goes with this

01:26:02   and I could see Apple never quite going all the way there.

01:26:05   But I think it would be good from a consumer perspective

01:26:10   to be able to slap an Apple Watch on your kid,

01:26:13   like a radio tracking collar,

01:26:15   and keep an eye on what they're up to

01:26:17   and get in touch with them in emergency

01:26:18   without also exposing them to the horrors of Instagram.

01:26:22   - I think that there is a level of device independence,

01:26:26   which is different to the way that we think about

01:26:28   when the iPhone completely became untethered from the Mac.

01:26:33   I think you could still use a device to set it up,

01:26:37   but it's not stuck to that one.

01:26:39   - Yeah, that's interesting.

01:26:40   That's an interesting possibility.

01:26:41   Yeah, you could set it up as here's the parent device

01:26:43   and the child device.

01:26:44   - Yeah, like everyone's gonna have access to a device,

01:26:46   right, and then you just set it up,

01:26:48   you put the information you need into the watch app,

01:26:50   and then that's it, and then they're completely,

01:26:52   it's like, let out into the wild, right?

01:26:56   And now it can roam free out in the plains.

01:26:59   Let's talk about hardware,

01:27:01   because there's a potential for a few hardware things,

01:27:03   and I just wanna see what you think.

01:27:05   So there are two main products

01:27:09   that could be most likely, if anything,

01:27:11   just shown off, not put on sale.

01:27:14   And that is a new MacBook Pro,

01:27:16   which the rumor is a completely brand new design,

01:27:19   16-inch, all-new MacBook Pro.

01:27:22   - Wait, can I pause you there for a second?

01:27:25   Because didn't Apple just released a speed bump

01:27:30   for the existing MacBook line, right?

01:27:32   - They did, yes.

01:27:33   - I didn't hallucinate that,

01:27:34   because that made me very sad when that came out,

01:27:36   because I thought that meant,

01:27:37   "Oh, no more new MacBooks."

01:27:40   But you're saying that the rumors are still alive

01:27:41   that there's a new design,

01:27:43   even though they just speed up the old one?

01:27:44   That seems really unlikely.

01:27:46   - The rumor that exists is for a 16-inch MacBook Pro

01:27:51   with a brand new design.

01:27:52   - Okay, so that's bigger than the current one, yeah?

01:27:55   - Yes, at least the screen is bigger.

01:27:57   Whether the device is bigger or not remains to be seen.

01:28:00   - Oh, right, right, of course, okay.

01:28:01   - But it is most likely,

01:28:03   and many people, including me, have always felt

01:28:06   that this MacBook Pro would exist as the top end of the current lineup. So the 13 and 15

01:28:13   that exist right now, they'd still keep selling those and then they would sell the 16 as well.

01:28:18   And there's been a lot of history for this. The first Retina MacBook Pro, that was the

01:28:22   most expensive one you could get and there was only one of them and it was the 15 inch

01:28:26   and they were still selling a non-Retina 15 and non-Retina 13.

01:28:29   Oh yeah, okay. Okay, that's interesting.

01:28:31   Because this new MacBook Pro, if it is a brand new design with a bunch of interesting new

01:28:35   new stuff and it's like it's all amazing and whiz bang and it solves every problem that

01:28:39   everybody has about the current MacBook Pro lineup will be more expensive and considering

01:28:45   the rumor is only for a larger one they're not going to replace the 13 and the 15 with

01:28:51   a 16 because that's that doesn't make any sense so right I think that this for me personally

01:28:58   has not changed the likelihood of this in any way it's either it was gonna happen or

01:29:04   not going to happen. I don't think doing this speed bump changes that because I don't even

01:29:08   think they would have wanted to have the speed bump on stage anyway because it still hasn't

01:29:13   really fixed the keyboard. Like they addressed that they made some material changes to the

01:29:17   keyboard but it's still the same mechanism. Yeah, if I was Apple I wouldn't want to go

01:29:23   up on stage with a new computer or a speed bump like unless you can feel like you've

01:29:28   really nailed that problem. Like oh we made the computers faster and you know like everybody

01:29:33   watching worldwide is just thinking, "What about the keyboard?"

01:29:37   Because as well, it was kind of interesting in all of the press releases that Apple gave,

01:29:43   they didn't mention the keyboard, but they gave a bunch of interviews with different

01:29:47   members of the press where they did speak about the keyboard. So to the world, it's

01:29:53   faster. But to key people in certain industries, professionals who care about the fact that

01:30:00   that keyboards don't work properly.

01:30:01   They were saying that like,

01:30:02   we have made some changes to change the reliability.

01:30:05   And they've also as well now,

01:30:08   if you have any Mac with those butterfly keyboards,

01:30:13   they have been entered into this keyboard repair program.

01:30:16   So in or out of AppleCare, they will fix it.

01:30:19   - In the gray household,

01:30:22   I literally have three or four machines

01:30:26   that I would just like, yeah,

01:30:27   you need to replace the keyboards on all of these,

01:30:29   like between me and my wife.

01:30:30   - Only if they're broken.

01:30:31   - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:32   But that's what I mean.

01:30:33   Keyboards that have broken keys.

01:30:34   - All right, if you take them into an Apple store now,

01:30:36   they will fix them.

01:30:37   - So the new MacBook Pro is only rumored

01:30:40   at the new 16 size?

01:30:42   - That's the only rumor that has come out.

01:30:44   It's a 16 inch device.

01:30:46   - If that happens, I'll be interested to see it

01:30:48   because again, a while back, listeners know

01:30:51   that I switched to having a big, the 15 inch MacBook,

01:30:56   again, because I'm working on a bunch of video stuff

01:30:58   right over the past year.

01:30:59   And so I wanted the bigger screen

01:31:00   and I needed the more powerful computer

01:31:02   to handle over a terabyte of footage

01:31:04   that needed to be processed.

01:31:06   And I've had very mixed feelings about the bigger computer.

01:31:11   I don't love the design ergonomically.

01:31:16   Like it's fine, but I would be,

01:31:19   partly because of a little bit of mixed feelings

01:31:21   about the bigger MacBook,

01:31:23   I'd be curious to see what a new design would be.

01:31:27   But I think my tendency would be like,

01:31:29   I'd love to see a redesign of the smaller one

01:31:32   and to see what that would look like.

01:31:34   But I'm glad to know that the dreams of,

01:31:37   oh, they're gonna update a new design for the Mac

01:31:39   aren't dead because of the speed bump.

01:31:41   So I'm glad to hear that at least there's the potential

01:31:45   of we're starting down the road

01:31:47   of a new generation of MacBooks.

01:31:50   - But the real one that they would be,

01:31:52   I think, quite foolish to not mention is the Mac Pro.

01:31:55   Oh, we can say right now that if Apple doesn't mention the Mac Pro, the developers at WWDC

01:32:03   are going to cause a riot in San Jose and the whole city will be burned to the ground.

01:32:06   People will be – you know, without a doubt we can say that that will happen. People will

01:32:10   be super mad.

01:32:11   Yeah, like, San Jose, you better have extra police on hand if Apple's not mentioning

01:32:15   the Mac Pro. Like, get the fire department ready.

01:32:18   So in case you need a bit of background on this, a couple of years ago, Apple, they said

01:32:23   that the current version of the Mac Pro they knew wasn't good enough and they were going

01:32:27   to start again and they were going to make a new one. They didn't really give a time

01:32:31   frame on it but they said we're going to start working on it and then I believe sometime

01:32:36   last year they said like it is a 2019 product when when kind of pressed on it again.

01:32:42   They did say it was a 2019 product.

01:32:44   Yes they do what that means though who knows does it mean that they show it in 2019? Does

01:32:49   doesn't mean it's released in 2019.

01:32:51   Like nobody really knows what that actually means.

01:32:53   - The serial number is 2019.

01:32:55   It has nothing to do with the year.

01:32:55   - We will call it the 2019 Mac Pro,

01:32:57   but it comes out in 2022.

01:32:59   Like, so it is a 2019 product.

01:33:02   So if this thing is going to be shipping in 2019,

01:33:05   they would be fools to not show it at WWDC.

01:33:08   Like when they showed off the iMac Pro,

01:33:10   which was, they also announced at that time,

01:33:12   but they said there was a product

01:33:14   called the iMac Pro coming out.

01:33:16   At WWDC, they showed off a video

01:33:18   where they then they spoke about it at length and it shipped in December.

01:33:22   So it is very likely that that is what they will be doing at WWDC because they

01:33:27   have just had a hardware announcement, right? A small one,

01:33:31   but they've had one. They could have said,

01:33:33   we wanted to do this because WWDC this year is all about software,

01:33:37   but it didn't say that. And if it, if they have no hardware,

01:33:41   they should have said that because they've done stuff like that in the past

01:33:43   where they're like,

01:33:44   there's hardware rumors and they don't want that to be the story.

01:33:47   So they say like, it's just software and they say it beforehand.

01:33:50   And they haven't said anything like that yet at the time of recording.

01:33:53   Apple, Apple looks you right in the eyes, says it's all about software as,

01:33:58   as they drape that cold blanket over your shoulders. That's what they're doing.

01:34:01   So, you know, the, uh, the Mac Pro, whatever it could be, all we know,

01:34:07   the only phrase that we've been given is modular. And again,

01:34:10   we don't know what that means even really. Like what does modular mean?

01:34:14   I know what, I know what I think modular means,

01:34:16   but I don't know what Apple is saying modular is when looking at a Mac Pro.

01:34:20   I am personally excited about that. Um, I am very happy with my iMac.

01:34:25   My, I have a 2015 iMac. Um, at the moment,

01:34:28   I think it's the longest I've ever owned a, an Apple computer without replacing

01:34:31   it. Uh,

01:34:32   it's coming up on its fourth year in service this year and I have no concern

01:34:37   with this Mac. It still runs,

01:34:39   it feels to me like it still runs as fast as the day I got it and that's more

01:34:42   than fast enough for me.

01:34:43   But the Mac Pro, considering what it looks like and how modular it is,

01:34:48   I am intrigued about that as a computer that I then own for 10 years.

01:34:52   My needs or my desires for the latest Mac hardware isn't the same anymore.

01:34:59   And since I bought my PC, I am more intrigued about the idea

01:35:04   of buying something and then just replacing stuff

01:35:07   as you need to over a longer period of time.

01:35:09   So I'm intrigued about buying a decent Mac Pro with the idea of "I will keep it for a very long time and upgrade the parts in it."

01:35:16   But this is all very dependent on what the new Mac Pro actually looks like and how modular is it.

01:35:22   Does it just work with modules that Apple makes?

01:35:25   Because if it does, I don't know if I'm going to be that keen on it.

01:35:27   Like I would like to know that there are like certain vendors who can make stuff for it, you know?

01:35:31   Right.

01:35:32   That you have a safety hatch for if Apple doesn't feel like updating something that someone else can.

01:35:37   like I want options in it, right?

01:35:39   Like I want to know, you know, I want to be able to choose the RAM that I want

01:35:43   and I want to be able to choose the video cards. Right.

01:35:45   And like, what does that look like?

01:35:47   And I'm intrigued to see that.

01:35:49   But obviously, a Mac Pro needs a monitor.

01:35:51   And the rumors suggest that Apple is indeed making another monitor.

01:35:56   They're going back into the monitor business.

01:35:58   Oh, thank God, because I've been

01:36:01   I've been using those LG monitors. Garbage.

01:36:07   Garbage.

01:36:08   They're absolutely terrible.

01:36:10   Like I have the 5K one and the 4K one and I loathe both of them.

01:36:15   Like I've used them because it's the only one that's kind of worked in my setup

01:36:19   that also has like high enough resolution and color, but it's like they just like

01:36:24   they feel gross to touch.

01:36:26   I've had fun USB-C issues with those things.

01:36:31   One of the features in the Tesla vlog where you can see me using it.

01:36:35   But I have never looked at those things and thought, wow, I feel great about this purchase.

01:36:39   It's like, oh, God, this was a lot of money for me being not really happy with this product.

01:36:44   And I've been hoping and dreaming that Apple would get back into the monitor business.

01:36:48   And so that would make me very happy if they are.

01:36:51   The rumor is a 31.6 inch 6K resolution mini LED monitor.

01:36:57   Wait, whoa, wait, what?

01:36:59   Yes. 6K?

01:37:00   6K, yes.

01:37:01   What the heck is...

01:37:03   I've got to bump up my video production now from 5K to 6K.

01:37:06   I didn't even know 6K was like a, is it like an industry standard or is that just

01:37:12   Apple deciding that's what they're going to do?

01:37:14   What? I don't know man, I can't answer the question.

01:37:18   I have no idea. Myke, why don't you know more about industry standards for

01:37:21   resolution? That's ridiculous.

01:37:25   Did you say 31? 31.6 inches which is massive.

01:37:29   Like, what's the size of the iMac screens now?

01:37:32   27.

01:37:33   - 27, Jesus Christ!

01:37:35   - It's huge, it's huge.

01:37:37   But do you remember the cinema display?

01:37:39   That used to be a 30 inch display.

01:37:41   Apple used to sell, remember those outlets,

01:37:43   the silver aluminum ones?

01:37:45   - I don't think I ever had or saw

01:37:46   one of the giant cinema displays.

01:37:48   I don't really remember this.

01:37:49   - Yeah, they used to make those.

01:37:51   But this is not the Thunderbolt display,

01:37:53   'cause they make, I think the highest

01:37:55   the Thunderbolt display went was 27 inches.

01:37:58   But the 30 inch Apple monitor was like,

01:38:00   that was around in the early 2000s and before then.

01:38:04   - Man, 31 and a half inches.

01:38:07   I bought the iMac Pro and I really love that machine.

01:38:12   So I don't really have on my horizon

01:38:16   like a real desire to get the Mac Pro.

01:38:18   Contingent upon it being amazing.

01:38:20   - I was gonna say, man, if anyone I know

01:38:22   that might get use out of one of those things,

01:38:25   it'd probably be you.

01:38:26   - Yeah, but the thing is, I really specked out the iMac Pro

01:38:29   and it was pretty great.

01:38:30   you could finally get a competent Mac gaming machine?

01:38:32   - I have a perfectly competent Mac gaming machine, Myke.

01:38:37   Upwards of 12 frames a second,

01:38:40   which I believe is faster than the human eye can perceive.

01:38:43   But the one thing, I've had this weird thought sometimes

01:38:47   about the iMac Pro is like,

01:38:50   I always have this feeling like the screen's

01:38:52   a little too big, right?

01:38:55   I don't know, I find myself sometimes not being quite sure

01:38:59   like the distance that I want to sit in front of it because it already feels like such a big screen

01:39:05   with, and I will say it's like when I get a 5k render of a video, you know, like pre-YouTube

01:39:14   compression and watch it on that screen, like it's glorious. I was like look at all these pixels,

01:39:19   look how sharp these lines are and it just it looks great but I've have thought like this

01:39:25   screen is already really pushing it in terms of size so something 31 and a half inches

01:39:29   feels like it would blow my mind like I'm in 2001 A Space Odyssey.

01:39:33   It would be huge. I think it might be, I mean 27 inches is really big and I don't know

01:39:40   if I would want the screen to be bigger than that but I think it does sound like it would

01:39:44   be a very nice display. It feels like it's kind of, you could turn it up to max brightness

01:39:49   and literally burn your retina out. It would just take you down.

01:39:55   On all of my devices, I've always had the screen max brightness.

01:39:59   I turn off their auto-dimming thing.

01:40:00   I'm like, "No, you don't tell me how bright this is.

01:40:03   I want the screen bright."

01:40:05   But my iMac Pro is the only device where I'm like, "Okay, wait, we can pull this back a

01:40:10   little bit.

01:40:11   We don't need maximum brightness here."

01:40:12   Because that's already quite bright.

01:40:13   I don't know if I've ever made my iMac max brightness.

01:40:16   I know what I'm about to do.

01:40:18   Okay, might well.

01:40:19   Holy moly!

01:40:20   I can't even look at that.

01:40:23   (laughing)

01:40:25   - Wow, that's, I have it like halfway.

01:40:28   That is, wow, that is significant.

01:40:30   - What was the thing about the LCD something in the monitor?

01:40:33   I didn't catch that.

01:40:34   - Yeah, I know, right?

01:40:35   (laughing)

01:40:36   I don't know what it means.

01:40:37   - The thing that I'm not hearing though,

01:40:39   which I would like to hear, is face ID.

01:40:42   That's something I'd like in a monitor, face ID.

01:40:45   - I don't think that's happening.

01:40:46   - Ah, how do you know that's not happening, Myke?

01:40:48   - I just don't see it yet.

01:40:50   I would love it if they did it, but I don't see it happening yet.

01:40:54   Because it is the thing, like, when I open up my laptop and it asks me to put my finger on the little square,

01:40:58   it's like, "What is this? 1865? I can't believe I have to do this. It's so frustrating."

01:41:04   One of the random rumors for the Apple Watch is that they're going to improve the biometric—

01:41:10   or the authentication for the Mac on the Apple Watch in some way, so that might make that better for you if you use that.

01:41:16   Yeah, I do use that and I would say it works like 50% of the time.

01:41:23   It's not crazy reliable.

01:41:25   When it works it's great but it's not reliable enough that I can feel confident every time

01:41:29   I open up the machine that it's going to do whatever magic it's doing.

01:41:32   MacRumors tells me that mini-LED like backlighting design would offer outstanding picture quality

01:41:39   and many LED displays can offer seamless mosaicing, higher brightness and lower reflectivity than

01:41:45   traditional LCD displays. I mean, I have often thought that the mosaics on my display are

01:41:50   just not good enough, so I would be very happy to get better mosaicing on my devices, wouldn't

01:41:57   you?

01:41:58   Yes. Mosaicing has been my number one complaint by far.

01:42:01   I can't believe you didn't mention that at the beginning.

01:42:03   Yeah, I'm sorry. I should have mentioned that, that my biggest hope was more mosaicing

01:42:10   or less mosaicing?

01:42:11   I'm not sure what better is. Are you supposed to see the mosaic or not supposed to see it?

01:42:18   Look, as long as the mosaicking is improved, I'm going to be happy.

01:42:25   (laughing)